A More United Nations with PM Pedro Sánchez of Spain

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For those of you who don't know our President Donald Trump just gave his typical barn burner at the UN. The big takeaway is I'm going to annihilate Iran and I know AI might be a problem. What if we just changed its name? He is now saying that he's going to change it from AI to SI, supreme intelligence. Why not just call it supreme intelligence? Even though those are two completely different things. Why not just rename it? I think he thinks the problem with AI is a branding problem. My favorite part of his rebranding is he's going to call it supreme intelligence, but he's still using his AI force. He started an AI force to control it. I guess the AI force will control the supreme intelligence. We live in a fucking simulation. We must. This can't be real. I don't know which pill you take to get out of this. But God, but that being said, we are very honored today. We are delighted because the UN General Assembly is in town. We have some access to guests that we might not normally get a chance to speak with. And so we are going to have that today. We are very delighted and honored to welcome the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sanchez is joining us. We are delighted today. It's obviously it's the United Nations General Assembly. And we are joined by the Prime Minister of Spain, Pedro Sanchez, sir. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me here. And I would be remiss if I did not begin with a hardy congratulations to you and your country for your victory in the World Cup. Yeah, it's the second time. Thank you very much. It is the second time throughout our history. But actually, we didn't want the World Cup only. We also, in women's soccer, we're also the current championship. And World Cup championship too. And also when it comes to the Olympic Games. trifecta, you've got all three. Yeah, so it's clearly a momentum. Are you the European champions as well? Actually, we are. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I thought you were that as well. So if you've won everything. Fourth, yes, yes. Well, the United States is we're almost at that level. We're just about, okay, we're not at that level at all. Well, but you are actually in basketball, you know, the big fan of NBA and this is the other basketball. Yes, it's actually, do you have a, do you have a favorite NBA team? Well, actually, you know, I know that you are a big fan of a big supporter of New York makes. In my case, I'm, you know, I'm following San Antonio's force. But it was not our year, even though he rigged his finals. I understand you did very well. Now, you played ball. If I'm not mistaken. I played basketball when I was young. In a very competitive team in Spain, in Madrid. I, you know, I quit it when I was 20, 21 years old. And because of my studies and then, you know, I entered into politics, so I didn't have the time to, you know, what was your position when you were, when you were playing? It changed over the time, but not, not playmaker, but the shooting guard. Solid. Yeah, all right. You had a pretty nice, okay. All right. Well, I tried to do my best. I tried to do my best, you know. I appreciate that whole heartedly. How tall are you, sir? No, one, one point nine, which is like six, six, four, I believe. Oh, for God's sakes. Lower your, your, your handsome and six, four. I don't like this interview at all so far. But I am, I understand that you also play soccer. I did play for a little bit because I am the opposite of six, four, about four, six. We're, we're working through it. And thank you for coming over. I know you just walked over from the UN General Assembly. Yes. And I apologize for the traffic. New York City is generally, you have other assets, you know, New York. Thank you. It's a great place. It's, it's incredible for spending a week and a week. I don't know for, you know, whole life, but for a week is, I can understand that. Were you there? Were you in the General Assembly when President Trump gave his address? Did you were you able to, to, to hear it? Yes. How was it, did you get a sense of how it was received by the Assembly at large? Well, I think it was a very, as usual, a very ideological speech. Yes. Not, not, uh, back as reported by facts and datas. So, somehow, somehow when he speaks about climate change or the war in Iran, or the things that are going on in the Middle East, you know, and their, his political positions are not, uh, they'd say, uh, largely supported by many, many countries worldwide. That is a very tactful way of putting it, sir. We have difficulty dealing with his inability to speak in facts. And we're not sure. And I always wonder leaders around the world, is there eye rolling that goes on? Does he speak that way when he speaks to you guys individually? Is he, or is that a performance that doesn't seem, uh, to match what he's like behind the scenes? I haven't got the opportunity to, to have a, uh, let's say, a private meeting, a bilateral meeting with, with President Trump yet. But, uh, of course, we, we, we have the opportunity to meet in, in different, for us and, and formats, uh, they to summit and, and others. Uh, and yeah, well, he has this way of, uh, of expressing his, his ideas and, and of course, uh, as I said earlier, very ideological. And, and somehow, you know, when, when you are President or Prime Minister, of course, you have your ideology, but also, you know, you, you try to convince and to represent more people in your country, you know, as a whole. You try, you try and base your argument in things that have actually happened. Exactly, exactly. Interesting. So, so he, he speaks about climate change, and, uh, he denies, uh, climate change, so he's denying the, uh, scientists, uh, and data's, and, and of course, not only, uh, scientific data, but also the daily life of many citizens and around the world, also here in the United States. So all you know, what I'm trying to say is that even when you speak about if it's worth or not for our societies to make this green transition towards the renewables, I always say that in Spain, at least our data, our experience shows that it's worth for the pockets of households to go for this green transition. We have managed to reach 60% of our electricity coming from renewables. We have managed to drop the prices of electricity because of this green transition show. So you know, facts and data shows that it's the contrary to what, you know, the far right as a political movement internationally is going in the wrong direction. When it comes to the biggest concerns of common citizens. Sir, what for you, what is the dividing line in terms of, you know, we think of, I think in America sometimes the EU as a bit of a monolith, but it really is reflective of there's center-right coalitions, there's far right coalitions, yours is considered, I guess, more progressive, you kind of have to form coalitions with maybe some separatist groups and some more far left groups. Where do you see these divisions going and do you see the movement as it was here, a more right-wing populism, a more ideological populism dominating, even in Europe in the way, you know, is that a fear of yours, is that the direction you see it going in? So is the fear, is the direction, but also we have mixed signals. No, so for instance, you see what was the outcome recently of the Swedish elections where the far right reduced its support and also in the Netherlands, but in the country, in all the countries we see a rise of the far right. And the biggest concern to me when it comes to the central right or traditional right is that they're committing the same mistake that many, or in the past, they did when the far right rise before the Second World War, which was to cooperate with them, to copy and paste the way and the contents of how to do politics when it comes to the far right. And this is something that we are witnessing, not only Spain, but across the European Union. So I think that, of course, the far right seeds of legitimate anxious and demands of our societies, but then when they come to office, they don't deliver. So they turn anger into disappointment. And that is why, you know, we're witnessing, for instance, in Sweden, how they lost electoral support. So there are like mixed signals, but it's true to go to your point that there's a risk of entrenchment of the European Union. And I think that could be one of the biggest mistakes that we can commit, because nowadays, what we need is a more proactive on global issues, global matters, engagement of the European Union, not only as the commission, but also as member states. And that is why, you know, we are following that path, being engaged in the debate of migration, being engaged in the debate of climate change, being advocating for, you know, the achievement of the SDGs and the 1830 supporting the referral of virtualism, hosting important conferences for the world, such as the financing for sustainable development last year in Sevilla, in the city of the south end of Spain. So you know, we try to be engaged and I show Europeans how important is for us, also in our own interest, to be open and noted as entrenchment when it comes to these kind of politics and debates. And Spain is really, I mean, it's a microcosm of all these cleavages. It is, you know, if you think about, you know, talked about the mistake that the center right would make in cooperating with the far right. So in Spain, you have the people's party and I guess they would be considered more center right. But then you have Vox, which is considered, I guess, more far right. Is it your concern in Spain that those two parties form a coalition and do they have an opportunity? I don't know your, when is the next election for you? Been in eight years? Yes. It's 2027. Yes. 2027. For more than eight years, to go to your point, you know, for those who don't know the politics in Spain, we are a very decentralized political system. So we have regions such as the states here in the United States with a lot of, let's say, policies that they can deliver regarding the healthcare, social issues, housing policies, and so on and so forth, and actually they are forming these coalition governments in many of the regions because the numbers give them these opportunities. And at the end of the day, what I see is that they are not delivering. They are just blaming the central government, which is, of course, the easiest way of avoiding any kind of political responsibility. But anyhow, I think that the battle, the dilemma that the Spaniards has many other societies in Europe will face in the next general elections is very simple. You want to continue progressing and advancing, or do you want to, you know, suffer a regression and evolution, so to say, on many of the policies that we have implemented all of the last years, not only on labor rights, social issues, a green transition, and a humanistic approach to digitalization and AI, but also on freedom and rights. So, for instance, I'm proud to stay that I'm a feminist politician, but perhaps this is now something where in the public debate, but I think that the fight against inequality and the fighting favor of gender equality is, you know, one of the biggest issues in the present and the future of war politics and national politics. Folks, there are times when we are honored to be introducing a new product to the weekly show podcast listeners. Now, yeah, obviously this company, Ridge, Ridge is the company. You're familiar with their wallet. Well, they've just come out with something. I don't even know what to tell you. I don't even know where this came from. It's a power bank. It's like a five-in-one travel power bank. It's got, under by you, you got, I got all kind of, you see this? That's always running out of juice. You see this thing over here? It's always running out. They're all, everything's always running out of juice. 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So in terms of, would you say the issues that's animating the rise of this more right wing politics, this more ideological politics, would you say that energy or climate or feminism is the most animating or politically correct rhetoric or is it mostly centered on migration and immigration? Because obviously Spain, you know, you had a sueto and I'm sure I'm pronouncing that incorrectly. No, no, no, failed. I say, yeah, for those who are not aware, failed and Melilla are two Spanish cities in Africa in Africa and these are, you know, very, very singular cities and there are like hard borders for Spain and also for Europe, right? In between sort of Morocco and the Mediterranean, I'm assuming. In the Mediterranean, yes, yes, yes, yeah, but also to give you an insight, the point here is that the reality of the migration in Spain is mainly in Latin America. It out of ten migrants that demand the regularization, the amnesty in order to recognize the rights that we gave before the end of summer. were Latin American citizens or migrants, mainly from Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, not North Africa. No North Africa. Of course, we have a large diaspora of Moroccans. It was the second largest migrants asking for the citizenship in Spain, but the rest were even a large number Latin American citizens. So, so all in all, going to your question about the far right and the link with migration. Of course, migration is an issue, but I also have to say that comprehensive apology on migration, of course, touch the issue of integration of this migration for, you know, despite its society, but also fighting against the smugglers, opening pathways for regular migration because we need regular migration in order to boost our economy. And finally, to cooperate with the countries of transit and origin in order to reduce the flows of irregular migration. And this is something that we're doing with Morocco. We're doing with Mauritania. We're doing also with Senegal, which are the, you know, the closest countries when it comes to the migration coming from Africa. Do you have an ability to do that? Yes. What Spain's level of sovereignty within that EU? Because our understanding of the EU is it's very difficult to wrangle them to make decisions in Brussels. But like close to two years ago, we managed to reach this very important agreement, this migration and asylum agreement, back, among all member states of European Union. And that brought to the table two aspects of this debate. First is, of course, control of the borders, cooperation with countries of origin and transit, but second solidarity. Solidarity means that those countries that we are in the front line, so to say, close closer to Africa, for instance, we need the solidarity when we suffered that migration crisis from the countries of this central and northern part of Europe. And unfortunately, going back to Thelta, the Thelta crisis that we suffer at the end of July, we didn't feel that solidarity coming from many of these European countries. No, even though we saw that solidarity with other crises in Lampedusa, for instance, in Italy, or when it comes to, you know, questioning the territorial integrity of some member states with the issue of Greenland and Denmark now. So what I'm trying to say is that, of course, migration is an issue for European societies. But let me say that in my humble opinion, the situation of the far right is not coming from a specific content, but a specific tool, which is social media and the algorithm. Okay. Because it is poisson in the public debate, is spreading misinformation, is contributing to dishumanize, the humanize, many of, you know, the political actors, I'm also victim of it. And, you know, algorithm, we know votes for algorithm, but if you think it algorithms nowadays affect in your daily basis more than the politicians you vote for. Of course. This is something that we have to fix. And this is the debate that we are having here in the general assembly of the UN, but also domestically on how do we take back control of a failed state, which is currently the social media. Right. And that is, I mean, the European Union, as always, I think, been a little stricter in terms of regulation as far as those issues go, I think the United States not. Do you view AI as a more existential threat? I guess if you're thinking about what keeps the Prime Minister of Spain up at night, is it those futuristic AI, the algorithm, is it the more standard, you know, Spain in terms of economic growth is doing very well. I mean, certainly within the European Union and in general, I don't know if that translates to a happier populace, but certainly your economic growth looks strong. Yeah. We're growing economically. We are creating employment massively. We're reducing inequality, thanks to the redistribution policies that we are implementing. But going back to your question, I would say that, you know, let's put it in this way, you know, in the 20th century, you wouldn't allow a private company to have and to own a nuclear arsenal. Sure. And permitting that this techno oligarchs own such a massive tool that with its implication in our societies, in our coexistence and economy. Well, when you say it that way, it makes total sense. But have you thought about, have you thought about renaming it? So what the President has done, our president, President Trump has, he's taken the name AI, artificial intelligence and changed the name to SI. I think it's a brilliant plan. And I'm sure we'll save the world. Yeah, but, but you see the products. The products is that we have these techno oligarchs investing in a technology that many of these, you know, workers says that could kill an end humanity. And at the same time, these techno oligarchs are investing massively in immortality. And they're trying to get to Mars. They're trying to get off this planet. Exactly. That's the ironic situation that we're facing. But I think that when it is a serious revelation, responsible development of AI and not bookers and, you know, Mars missions for saving the techno oligarchs. So this is a very important debate that we have to face multilaterally. And that is why I think it was very important to step taken by the UN Assembly last year, launching the span of experts on AI as we did decades ago for the climate change. Second, I think that we have to ask our leaders, especially from the global powers such as United States and China. And I think that they are going to meet by the end of this month. Supposedly. Yeah. To speak about AI, to see how can they seek ways of understanding and finding a common minimum standards for the development, responsible development of AI. And actually, from our side, you mentioned the regulation of the European Union. I have to also show with you that Spain was one of the first countries in the world to create a super, super, super oversight, a national agency of AI, you know. So I think it's important not only at the national level, but also the European level, a multi-artoral level, to have a strong revelation. We'll be able to see an article of, you know, this very important level price, Joseph Stiglitz. Yeah. Yeah. Joseph Stiglitz, wonderful economists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need an agenda for AI, which is, you know, first of all, competition. It's very monopolistic. Yeah. Second, regulation and third, redistribution. If, as technologics says, we are in, you know, in the beginning of the Abundance era, this is something that we hear often by these technologics. Okay, let's talk about redistribution. Let's talk about how can we increase our salaries of our teachers, you know, the health professionals and so on and so forth. And this is an debate that we must face not only at national level, but also at multi-artoral level. Do you think is multilateralism in this moment? Is it dead? Is it on life support? You know, what is your feeling of how easily countries, China, EU, Russia, the United States? It feels as though we're moving into an era of spheres of influence, but that multilateralism, or I guess the negative term for it would be globalization and those things, is dead to some extent. Is that a problem for solving these kinds of problems? And how do you revive it? So if, I mean, that's been in office for eight years. So I was a prime minister in Spain when we suffered the pandemic, COVID-19. So I think this is the best example to say that we need multilateralism and inclusive and universal multilateralism, which is not happening nowadays. So we need to reform the multilateral order. We need to be generous from the Western side in order to have a more representative multilateral order. Second, you know, the problem is that we have permanent members of the security council that are violating the international law. Russia in the case of Crane, we have this Iran war in, you know, so it was a two-week war and it has transformed into a six-dollar Galoon war. And he's threatening to annihilate. I mean, he stood up in front of the UN. Last year, he went in front of the UN and said, "I deserve the Nobel Peace Prize." This year, he went in front of the UN and said, "I'm thinking of annihilating a country." Yes. It's jarring. But the point here is that the coasts of living not only for the US citizens, but to all what is increasing because of this war. And there's no way or no news about a potential agreement between Iran and the US, and the situation is getting worse. In the region, worldwide, and of course, is putting in a very difficult situation economics, the economics of many households, enterprises, industries, and of course, countries. So, you know, we're suffering more inflation because of this war. And the situation is getting worse and worse. So, you know, that is why I think it's so important to go back again to politics. You know, many times in the public debate, when we speak about rearmine, we speak about how are we going to spend more money on defense on, at least on politics and diplomacy. And that is why it's so important to go back to your question to strengthen in the multilateral order to provide with new insights and energy the human system in order to, you know, to solve crises such as the one in Iran or the one that is suffering between Israel and Palestine with Gaza in the stripping the center or Ukraine war. So, these are at least, you know, the issues that I'm trying to defend here in the UN assembly. And not only me, many other countries are going to say. Well, that's what I was going to ask you is, you know, Prime Minister Karni of Canada made his speech last time at the UN, where he talked a lot about the middle powers. And it was sort of this idea that if the large powers, if China and Russia and the United States are, are moving to their own interests and retreating from the type of leadership you're talking about, is the, is the green shoot of this movement, these middle powers, and, and have you seen other leaders very few have pushed back in the manner that you have. And Karni, I guess it was at Davos that he said that, not at the UN assembly last time. It was the Davos speech, but it was about these middle powers showing leadership in that direction, because we're not seeing that leadership from the United States, we're not seeing that leadership from China, we're not seeing that leadership from Russia. But then you have India, you have Brazil, you have the European Union, you have Canada, you have many countries in Africa. So, the war is very big. So, I mean, the mistake that these big powers are competing is that they believe that we are living in the 20th century, but we are living in the 21st century. There are many other actors with a lot of leverage, with a lot of population and with a lot of strengthens and assets to influence the path of the world is taken. But let me add that, you know, of course, I agree with Prime Minister Karni, I think that is, you know, the role of middle powers is critical, it's instrumental for the good of the world. My only difference that I have with Prime Minister Karni, who is a very good friend, is that, you know, of course, sometimes leaders, we have this temptation of working in small circles, you know, like minded partners, like kind of mini-lateralism, but we need a maxi-lateralism, which means to broader the scope, to broader the circle, and to strengthen the common action from countries. And that is why I think it's very important of course, working through this, you know, coalition of the willing with like-minded countries, but especially to strengthen the multilateral and the UN. And that is why I think that we have a momentum. We are about to choose the new Secretary General of the UN by the end of the year. From Spain and many other countries, we are supporting that we have to respect the geographical rotation, which means that, you know, it has to come from Latin American country. But second, after 80 years of this multilateral order, I think it's important, it's fair that we choose a woman, the first woman leading the UN as Secretary General, half of the population, half of the leadership. And that is why from Spain and many other countries, we're supporting a woman to lead the UN. Folks, enter the P to the R. What? I don't know about you, but I'm getting a little tired of news. I'm getting a little tired. 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Because the rise of this nationalist and populist fervor seems to be based on the idea that to cooperate with other nations is to diminish ours and to diminish our own economic prospects. So how do you make the case to Spaniards that these migrants that come in from Morocco, they increase our prosperity or to Hungary or Italy or these other or the AFD who have, you know, seized control in that one region of Germany? How do you make the case that your vision for multilateralism and cooperation also brings that prosperity to people that it's not just a moral imperative, but it's actually one that will improve their lives as well. Yeah, and to follow your question, please give me one example of far-right government that has improved the wealth and prosperity of its citizens, right? What they have brought to the table is more disorder or insecurity and more poverty and inequality. So I agree with you that this is the question mark that we have to to answer. And to me, one angle would be to say that the global agenda is the agenda of the common people. And we have a good example with this war in Iran. Why we are suffering an increase of prices? Why, you know, we are having more and more the increase of cost of living? Because geopolitics is affecting also our daily life. When we go to the gas station, when we buy at the supermarket, so only know what I'm trying to say is that this global agenda that we are defending here in the UN, the agenda 2030, fight against inequality, fight against child poverty, going for a green transition is for the good of normal people, the common people. And of course, asking these far-right governments and far-right movements where they have accomplished, and by the way, what they are defending? because at the end of the day, what I see is that they are defending, you know, the technology cars, which want only to concentrate more and more power and more wealth in a few hands. They deny a cooperation on international taxation, which is, I think, fair for many countries that are suffering inequality and, of course, nurturing and financing our welfare state in the case of Spain or in the case of European Union, you know, and we have many good examples. In the case of Spain, I can show with facts that thanks to this green transition, we have been able to increase our competitiveness on electricity, on, of course, other issues or when migration, you know, this migration policy is also helping us to boost economy and also creating jobs, not only for migrants, but also for nationals. And when it comes to, you know, strengthening our social pillars, we are reducing inequality. So these are facts that, of course, show that this progressive agenda is for the good of the, you know, the normal people. Why do you think, and this is a question that I think kind of keeps me up a night, that why are the facts so fragile when it comes to? So, the things that you're saying and you're talking about the growth in Spain and the reduction of inequality, those are clearly facts. And yet, right after the crisis in July in, and I'm going to screw this up again, filter. Yes. So, the right surged in Spain, your popularity dipped, and it, it sort of flipped, your coalition was kind of more popular, and now it's less popular. So, oh, I guess what I'm saying is, all those aspirations, even when true, seem so fragile in the face of the emotional impact of what people feel like the loss of their sovereignty. Does that make sense? No, no, not at all, not at all. And I think that when we speak about sovereignty, we speak also about this agenda for the good of the common people, no, of normal people. And of course, sovereignty. But how do we increase our capacity to decide by ourselves? Right. Being more dependent of external powers, or being more strong within the Pianonia. That is why I was asking for solidarity before when we, when you ask me about the Delta crisis, no. And by the way, how do we manage to solve this problem? I think it's more intelligent to have a constructive relationship with Morocco, which is the country of origin of both of these migrants that came to fail to this crisis. Of course, we have asked Morocco for insights, answers, and also actions, and they are taking it. And I'm giving us those answers. We're still under the process of investigate where it was, you know, the causes, the roots of these crises. Morocco said they had nothing to, they said it wasn't an organized, but it's hard to imagine tens of thousands of people coming across coincidentally. Okay. But, but, you know, as Prime Minister, I have to argue with facts. Yes. And, you know, there's no clear evidence, but let me add to this, to this issue that, of course, it is, there's a reality, economic reality, a gap of economic development between one side of the border and the other side of the border, which of course is an incentive for many youth, for many young people to, you know, cross the border and try to reach opportunities. But we have to show these people is that there will be always legal pathways to do so. But without, of course, suffering the, let's say, the attack that we suffered in last July. But of course, when you go to the idea of sovereignty, let's put it this way, if we don't move forward in the idea of the integration of the European Union, for instance, on the capital union market, or for instance, on defense, having a real European army or the strategic autonomy on, you know, technology or energy, are we going to be more dependent on third actors or external actors? We're going to be more autonomous. That is the contradiction of the far right. Right. Do you believe that the EU is agile enough or is it too bureaucratic to be able to tackle those problems that you're saying at the Brussels level? Does that spend the frustration with them? So there's, there's, of course, a lot of bureaucracy that we have to avoid, we have to reduce, and this is, this is clear to me. But on the other hand, you know, the European Union is a construction and animal, a different animal to a federal system, as you have here in that state. Right. Or the sum of member states, 27 member states. And the good point about it is that you are seeing all of the more countries willing to, to be part of the European Union. Of course, we have, you know, the challenge of Ukraine, which of course, from Spain, we are positively about its future integration, but also Moldova, Western Balkans. You see expansion. You're looking at, right? Yes. And the challenge to me for the European Union is not to lose its principles, not to strengthen, but to open ourselves to be engaged on global issues, because it's in favor of our own interest, and it will work for our own interest. And a second, to, to reform itself from inside, if we're going to face a European Union of more than 30 member states, of course, we will need to reform our, let's say, way of proceed and take decisions and make them more agile. Now, you are going to be delivering your remarks at the UN General Assembly later on in this week. Yes. Is there, is there a preview? Is there a theme? What are the kinds of issues that you're going to be putting forth into that body? Well, of course, I will, I will, to speak about multilateralism and the myth of reform in the way that I mentioned it earlier, inclusive and universal. But let me add that I will give a very feminist speech. Are you going to be urging that they elect? Is this going to be about electing a leader that is a woman? Okay. But not only that, also they need not to lose the idea of feminism as one of the main drivers of the progress of our societies. I think that this is a battle, a political battle that we have to give, because we are more and more witnessing, you know, a backlash on the fight against gender inequality. And this is something that we need to, to, it has to be more present in the public debate, especially when it comes to multilateral form. So these forms, such as the general assembly. So it's not only about the appointment, but also about the need of, you know, one of the laws that I'm more proud to pass since I'm in offices is the law of, well, snow over, I don't know how to say mean, it's like parity. Right. The need to have work parity pay. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We don't have that, we don't have that here or healthcare. Other than that, though, we're doing great. So I think, I think that feminism is a flag that we, you have to stand again more, more vocally and in a more assertive way, because you say it's a matter of human rights. It's not only, you know, sometimes we say, okay, this is an ideological stuff. No, no, of course, it's a political issue, but there's behind a human rights angle or content, which has to be more visible. It feels like the momentum politically is moving in the opposite direction. So the, the stands that you're taking are, do you feel the pressure of delivering on a more progressive agenda? Given how the world is moving seemingly somewhat away from feminism, somewhat away from multilateralism, somewhat away from protecting the vulnerable in Gaza and in Ukraine and in these other regions, it feels like things are are shifting in that other direction away from even climate. But, but let, let, let, put it this way. First is, is, is a matter of conviction. Principle, I think that these ideas, these causes are the right side of history. I'm talking about history. In history, you can find many occasions of backlash on the public debate, civil rights, all these causes that we have been talking about, but it is always temporary. I think that the path that humanity follows over its history is the path of progress and advanced. So I think that we need to remain optimist about the future of humanity and of course we will suffer by class periods as the one that we're suffering nowadays because there's this technology, we need to do a lot of reforms, very transcendental reforms that will change the status quo, that that doesn't mean that it could be better than it is today. So I think that of course perhaps nowadays we are in a minority but it doesn't mean that in the future people will support massively these ideas and these causes. And that is the history of humanity. First we have a class period, but we will have of course, we persevered. Well I know you've got a hard out because you've got a lot of other much more important meetings to take but I can't think of a better note to end on than that note of optimism and also of conviction and I really thank you for being here and I've been watching all the different ways in which you're trying to live those principles and I really appreciate them. Thank you very much, I appreciate you and thank you so much for joining us and talking with us today. It has been a pleasure. Thank you very much. Pedro Sanchez, the prime minister of Spain. Thank you so much sir. Thank you. All right, do you guys want to say it or do I have to say it? Who's going to say it? Holy shit. Is that dude? Hunkarelli. Caliente. What? Yes, he is. So for those you don't know like generally when you have a guest at that level, it's not like a normal podcast like what it does is you just you come up and it's somebody in their living room and you're in your living room and you're just shooting the shit in your pajamas. They have a stand in that does all the technical stuff. The stand in and I mean no disrespect. I mean no disrespect to the stand in, but Uncle Fester got nothing on the stand in. And then Johnny Cubble, the arrow steps in and I was like, what? Wow. And then we start talking. We're just shooting the shit. And he's like, oh, yeah, my kids, his kids are the same age as my kids. And I'm like, wait, what? What is happening in Espania that he's not, he's young, obviously he's much younger than me, but but come on. Not much. I think he's 54. No, you're the same age. As soon as he sat down, the first thing I thought was Brittany's going to be on hinge going is this guy? And can I match with this dude? Why don't I see him on here? Right. Let me see. Keep sweeping, baby. Let's go. I've got to turn on the Spanish language setting. That's what I'm doing wrong. I got to tell you, though, to be able to conduct like these kinds of sort of discussions in a language that's clearly not as, it's quite, it's impressive. Yes. There's a very impressive man. I thought so. And a lonely man. Yeah, lonely, definitely within, you know, the European governments, the global governments. Very principled, and I think that that's, you know, you see it in politicians here and he's obviously like the embodiment of it. But it's really like when you have principles, I think it makes the job a lot easier. Right. When you have when you have principles and your six, four and ten and you can dunk son of them. Yeah. But it is. There's like a, I think he has the quiet optimism of real belief. And I think the interesting part to me is he was talking about, you know, look, he understands the political force of migration issues. And he knows it obviously, it can't be unfettered and it has to be growth in the right way and it has to be regulated and it has to be done with a pathway to something that has a sturdy legal framework, but I think his point is it also is the path to prosperity. Yeah. It has been in his country. It's been born out and as he would say in the facts and I think that that's what's so frustrating about it too is that like you are still going to get attacked for the same things, even when you have all of the facts in your favor, even if, I mean, we see it in the US too with politicians that just totally seed their ground on the issue. They still get attacked like they didn't. You could be totally right with the numbers. You're still going to get attacked like you're not. And I just don't know. I don't know how you, how you make sense of that, but I don't think it's by losing your values. I think that the sense of it is people react to the chaos. So in Sayuto, the chaos of that moment, coalesced, you know, people, you know, people against him, the chaos of our border situation, you know, the United States immigration system is so fucking chaotic and nonsensical that anybody that wants to demagogue that issue has a leg up. But I think if you can demonstrate a thoughtful process to like countries can't absorb everybody haphazardly, but if you can demonstrate an orderly and reasonable, non chaotic process to harness the growth that immigration provides and minimize the chaos, you've got a shot. It's, it's, you know, you got to thread it through the eye of a needle. But in this country, we don't even have a fucking shot. No, and I mean, he tried to, you know, he did do that in his own country with, uh, sort of saying, you know, if you've already here and you've been here for a while, we're going to give you a clear pathway to citizenship that's expedited because we have this aging workforce. And it was mostly Spanish speaking pop, it was, yeah, it wasn't the North African population that I think is what's more controversial there. Right. It was people that were, you know, had been there too. He didn't let anybody into the countries with those policies. Then you have this image on your screens of people, you know, flooding the coast and all of a sudden you lose any, right, any leverage that you've had, even though your policy's not responsible for that. It's the, it's the Willie Horton effect. Yes. Exactly. It's, I don't know if you guys remember, but it was, you know, it's, we expect 100%. You have to be perfect. We have a system that demands 100% perfection, but has no ability to discern the difference. We really don't. It's a difficult one. But I, I admire it. I mean, I, I was sort of like on a day like today, after sitting and, and listening to the Trump speech, him being able to just like wander over, let me ask you a question. How do you think he got over to the studio? I'm going to take a guess, he got out of there and he surfed. I guess is underneath this wet suit, I think he got on one of the, it might have been a hoverboard. Like a court Kent situation, where he always got it on, yes, ripped it off and hovered his way over. He did make good time. And that's very difficult on a week like this in New York, and then climbed up the side of the building, whose hands with only little suction cups, I really don't think it takes much for him to stop traffic. It's, I thought it was a very info when he sat down, I was just like, what is now? This is, this is not correct. Bring the stand and back, bring, you know, bring the other guy back. I can, I can give that other guy a piece of my fucking mind, but yeah, if you're listening to audio this week, we recommend you head to the YouTube check out our socials. That's going to be, that's going to be a YouTube sensation. Yeah. And then here's the problem. I'm going to be in the shot half the time. So it's going to be literally handsome, Muldoon, and then Johnny old T. Like, I looked like the guy in those commercials where it's like, and you look comfortable, you know, like, oh, right. Okay. Next time I'll pullo shirt it, but Brittany, but what, what, what are the, what are the kids want to know from us on this, on this fine day? John? This is a two-parter. What? One. Do you think Trump should ask Mamdani for help getting the scaffolding down at the Kennedy Center? And two. That's hilarious. Should Trump just put Darfsef around all of his failures? That's hilarious. So what they're referring to in part one of the, the two-parter is one of the first things Mamdani did, brilliant, by the way, because the whole idea of, you know, the socialist communist Islamist maniac taking over New York City is similar to like when Obama took over, they were like, black people now could do whatever they want, like that it was going to be this chaotic system. And the first thing he did is like, why is there so much fucking scaffolding here? Let's do the potholes in the scaffolding. Yeah. And everybody was like, I didn't even know buildings had fronts. Truly. It's true. Yeah. And it stays up for years and years, and there's like, there's no rhyme or reason why. Right. very difficult for people that, you know, don't get around the same way. And half the time, you walk in around New York City and you're thinking, did they just build these buildings out of netting, netting, and like, pipes? Is that what New York City is? But come a rainstorm and you're begging for it, so that's true. Yes. And, and Trump, I am the Trump, as so many things with Trump, you just, you can't even imagine that just one of these, one of these scandals, or one of these ego-animals that he takes would ruin his political career. But somebody's suggesting, like, if I don't get to etch my name on the building, I'm going to demolish it, and then I'm going to put up a triumphal arch and fill it with weaponry. Like, just, just one of those ideas would have the country going. Okay, can we just declare this man incompetent and move on, let's get Kevin Klein from Dave to just go in there and I'm really believing that maybe the reason why he's fucking our country up so bad is that we haven't allowed him to etch his name on it. And maybe if we just did that, if we just, just gave into it, he would, he would take the, the metaphorical tarp down from the whole country and we could all flourish. Let's just let him, it feels like giving the baby the candy though a little bit. We can, we can, we can, we can always take it down when he's done. The United States of America, Trump, fine, the Trump United States of America. Get, let him make the coins, let him make the flags. And then maybe he'd treat us a little better. Yeah, he has very much like if I can't have it, no one can. Yeah, and it's, yeah, it makes me a little concerned about the future. But I'm sure it'll be fine. He's never given us any indication that once he's voted out, he'll leave peacefully. So I, I don't know why you would be concerned. Yeah, yeah, never mind. I'll tamp down those fears. Yeah, I mean, this week he had a big one with Trump TV. Oh, God, I, you know, I haven't, I thought that's what we've been watching the whole time. Right? 24/7. Yes. Just launched on YouTube. Motherfucker's on TV all, it is, it is nothing but Trump. But people forget that in the old days of president, Obama and Biden and all that, like they weren't on, like a car alarm when you're trying to sleep, like it wasn't that incessant rhythmic. Other presidents, like didn't always dominate all the airwaves. Like we're all living Trump TV. Why do you need another Trump TV? It's, it's what it is. Yes. And do you think the FCC is going to please Trump TV? Yes. Great. Cool. Because they are an independent agency. Yes. An independent agency's regulate in a manner that is befitting of their mandate. Yeah, I look forward to them enforcing the equal time measure with the Trump TV horse. Although I don't even know, is Trump TV? I think it might just be a feed. I also think it's like existed for forever. Like the White House always had like a live feed of their events and stuff. So it's possibly a rebrand, but I'll have to look into it a little more. Oh, the rebrand is just a, did you see the social video? It just cut together like of Parks and Rec and the office and all of this stuff announcing Trump TV. And people were just like, this is so many lawsuits waiting to happen. I know, but that's, he's a troll at heart. Exactly. That's what I mean. If we just let him put his name on the country, will he stop fucking trolling us? Will he just leave us alone for a moment? Just I just want, I just get it. We got to get through these two and a half years. Yes. All right. That's all it is. Yeah. And is it concern you that Melania Trump works less days than you? Well, that's just that. Can I say this? That's just hurtful. It doesn't concern me. She's younger than me. Oh, no. She works, you said she works less days than me? She works less days than you, apparently. What is she going in now? Once every two weeks? If. Where is she? I think the last time she showed up was after the Natalie Harp stuff was coming out and she was like, well, I got a show face. Yeah. But by the way, would you go there? That's a construction site. Why would you go there? Why would you, you know, where I'd like to live in that place where they just demolished and there's like a 40 foot sinkhole right outside of my thing? Like it is going back to the New York thing. It's like the scaffolding is up and the construction project is going on. And I'm sure she's like, I got a perfectly nice house down in Florida. Yeah. And I don't have to deal with this guy. Yes. That would be the number one selling point. You know what? I don't even consider it that she works because any day you get to be with Donald Trump. When you love what you do. Yeah. So I wouldn't even say this. I, you know, it's, I think it's a misnomer to say Melania Trump doesn't work because I think being married to that dude is, I'm sorry, but that's like what you hear about like how they put finance bros through those training programs with like, it's 160 hours a week. Our work is work. Okay. Married to that dude is that's, that's the most grueling job in America. That'll wear anybody down. So no wonder why she always looks angry though. Does she always say, yeah, I don't even, I feel bad. I don't even know why. I just feel like, Oh, God, what a, no, you know what? She knew what she was signing. Yeah. Yeah. She's got quite a painting. I take, I take back my empathy. Yeah. My empathy is now gone and I am, you know, I used to have her beautiful hat highlighted by a sconce in an area of, uh, you know, the house to really show it off. I'm taking it down. Empathy gone. That's that. All right. Any more. That's it for this week. Son of a gun. All right, kids. Uh, once again, uh, tremendous, oh, Brittany, how did they get in touch with us? Uh, Twitter, we are weekly show pod Instagram threads Tik Tok Blue Sky. We are weekly show pod cast and you can like, subscribe and comment on our YouTube channel, weekly show of John Stewart. I'm sorry that I forgot to ask that I was just my mind wandered for a second to a very handsome. Right. Minister, uh, thanks again for everything producer, pretty much a matter of your producer, Jillian Spear, video editor and engineer Rob Vitola, audio editor and engineer Nicole boys, our associate producer Rebecca Rotenberg and our executive producer is Chris McShane and Katie Gray. We will see you guys next week where our guest, do we know who our guest is next week? And will they be as handsome or less saying what on the, on the handsome, I have the beholder. Is it burnt? Is it burning? Bernie Sanders. Come on, baby, feel the burn. He better come in with a tan. That's all I'm saying. All right. We'll see you guys next week. The weekly show with John Stewart is a comedy central podcast is produced by Paramount Audio and Busboy Productions.