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Welcome in Monday edition of Orange and Blue today. How y'all doing? Cecil Lamy and Drew Mason here to talk about the Denver Broncos. And this is the week that we all wait for, Mace because rookie mini camps great, OTAs are great. You don't get to see a whole lot. Mandatory mini camp, you get to see everything on display for the Denver Broncos. This is a very important marker in the offseason calendar. Mandatory is the key word because none of it's mandatory before this. It's all voluntary. And you see most players out there obviously, but it's still voluntary. There are only three days that you can make mandatory in the offseason. And here we go. It's what Sean Peyton wraps everything up with. So you finish out strong. The other thing it's also interesting about the mandatory mini camp season. The way the Broncos do their OTAs, players scatter and leave reasonably early in the day. Mandatory mini camp, they've got them kind of going full day of full days of work, practice, meetings. Last Thursday, Sean Peyton alluded to having people talk to the team about kind of off field stuff that goes with being a football player. But it's a pretty intensive time and you ramp up to this and then end of this week downshift into offseason mode, which I think you and I are both going to enjoy as well. It's a big week. It's a big week and it's a chance for players to build off of the last few weeks. And that's why we had Evan Ingram as our cover athlete. As our cover, as our yeah, I was trying to think of the right word because I didn't want to say thumbnail because it's not really a thumbnail when it covers up the screen. The thumbnail on like when you see it something small. Evan Ingram, yeah, we've seen two practices this month. We in the media and Evan Ingram has flashed in both. More than he flashed at this time last year as well. And I think that is a key thing to note now. It certainly helps that he has good timing and cohesion with Jared Sedum. Sedum has been running the first team offense while Bonix recuperates from the late April procedure that he had on his ankle, but there's some good feelings right now about Evan Ingram and around Evan Ingram. Certainly it helps that his old friend, who's known him since the 2017 season, fellow Giants draft class member of 2017, Davis Webb, is now the offensive coordinator in calling the plays. And I think that couldn't lead to some bigger numbers for Evan Ingram. - I think it should be glaring to them and we'll go over plenty of projections and also position previews just off season. Right, next week's projections. - You're gonna, I think y'all are gonna have some fun watching these projections that we've dove into. There's a lot to look ahead to and I think get excited about 'cause I know you're pretty optimistic and bullish on what some of these guys can do. - Yeah, and at the tight end position, we're looking at it. They've already looked, they've examined it and you see meat on the bone. - Yes. - You have to in a way as an offensive coach, Sean Payton, never admit this, but you have to be like a little bit discouraged that you missed out on some of that tight end production. I think they can look at that just like they did with Jalen Waddle. And their actions speak so loud there. They saw the lack of playmaking. They got Jalen Waddle. The Waddle impact will happen for Evan Ingram, but I think they could also study that film and just go, man, it's disappointing we didn't get more 'cause we should have. It was there. It was there for Evan Ingram to get more last year. - Yeah, and he had, obviously, we've talked about drop rate and that was a concern. And so there were some opportunities left out there. But you were looking for Ingram to really bring the group forward as a pass caching collective, right? And yet when we looked at the end of the day, the Broncos tight ends as a group, as a position group. They only rose from 30th to 26th in receiving yardage last year with 719 as a group. They ranked 30th in first downs via reception that was an slight improvement 'cause they were dead last in 2024. In terms of percentage of CAC of pass is targeted to the tight end position. The Broncos only rose from 30th to 29th and then probably the most disappointing number of all. They were tied for 28th in the NFL with only three touchdowns from the tight end position last year. You want Bonaix to throw more touchdowns, you want to score more points, you want to be in less one score games, add the tight end to the mix. - Yeah, well think about, especially when you want to add a little bit more in the red zone, right? And what do a great many offenses in the NFL have that succeed in the red zone? They've got that trustworthy tight end. And you look, and you look at that's another area where the Broncos, you want to see them improve. In touchdown percentage in the red zone last year's cease, they were 21st in the league, 55.6%. - Plenty of meat on the bone. - Right, what's interesting is the teams that were immediately ahead and behind them were the two Super Bowl teams. New England was in 20th and Seattle was 22nd. So you can be effective and successful without that. But again, meat on the bone to make sure that you're not in all these one score games because by gum, you can't expect to go 12 and 3 in one score games. So we've talked about takeaways. We've talked about that at great length on the last Friday show on offense. You're looking at the red zone and it's where someone like Evan Engram, if he can, I'm not saying that he has a season like he had in 2023 for the Jaguars. But can we be talking about him at least maybe getting 600 yards on his own this year? That would be helpful. - Yeah, and that would be, you know, catch more every other game. Something like that, little healthier yards per catch average there from Evan Engram. It's exciting to know what Engram's been doing this off season because and maybe it's maybe because it's we're looking for it more, Mace. But last year, even in training camp, I don't remember this much buzz about Evan Engram and how it looked like we, nah, it looks cool. The one preseason game and the 45 yarder, whatever from Stidham. But outside of that, there were many days in practice where like, "Mm, didn't see as much from Evan Engram, not that what we're getting this year." - He went from invisible to being extremely visible like you couldn't miss him and you looked down at the end of the day and he's got more catches than anybody else. That was the case last Thursday. And he's earning those catches. I mean, we're not just talking about, oh, check down option here underneath in the flat. You're talking about him on a 20 yard out near the right side line making a play. So it's dynamic type of stuff too. And when I talk about that sort of play, it's like, "Oh, wow, okay." Then that's where we can maybe start talking about how he can improve on that yardage perception total, which has not been in double figures. It's been 8.4, 7.8, 9.2 over the last three seasons. You gotta go all the way back to 2022 for the last time he was north of 10 yards per catch. And 9.2 to 10 yards per catch. That's all it would take. 8/10 of a yard more per reception. And oh, by the way, like you talk about, if he did that, 8/10 of a yard more per reception and he had 50 catches last year. That right there immediately takes him over 500 yards last year, he was at 461 over 16 games, which was his second lowest figure for a season in which he'd played more than, more than nine games. Sorry, sorry for the stammer there. - Yeah. - Well, we'll see what it looks like this year, but exciting to note what's happening at the tight end position, exciting with Jalen Waddle. - Yes. - I don't know about that, but there's gonna be a lot of people maybe even mad at us here on YouTube, Mace, maybe, because we didn't start with Bo Nix. - Well, I mean, I think what I've plenty to talk about Bo Nix this week. Actually, before we move on to Bo, I wanna just play what Sean Payton had to say about Evan Angram last Thursday, when I asked him about number one, here's Sean Payton. - He's doing well. He's moving well. He's extending plays. Again, it's a little easier for those guys that are further away from the ball. Like these times, of OTAs than it is for the lineman. But yet it's still, it's important timing and it's important for him in his second year. He's doing a good job with it. It's not just important timing as well. It's also we're getting a glimpse of what the offense, the passing offense in particular might look like. Another significant thing about last Thursday's work sees that we're angry and really shined. It's third down day. Okay. Third down in two minutes. They even did some two minute at the end of practice. That's going to go on your mental notebook because that's a pretty big note. Yes. If you're having a third down day and have an angrily measure most frequent target, that's a good sign because he's getting open. And even though it's steady and sam elling or throwing in the passes, one thing we know about BoneX is who's the target one, wide receiver one. It's the guy who's open. Who's open? That's what this system gives you. And you think back to the Washington game last year on Thanksgiving weekend, tight ends were open a bunch and that was Evan Engelman's biggest game. It was also Adam Trautman's biggest game too. Dolly noted, we'll see what it looks like this year. How about before we get to BoneX? We're just extending the tease. Let's hear a word from our sponsor. It's Ramos Law. Today's episode of Orange and Blue today is presented by Ramos Law, the official injury law firm partner of the Denver Broncos. Ramos Law was founded by Dr. Joseph Ramos in attorney and ER doctor to provide exceptional care to those injured in accidents. With a unique understanding of both medicine and law, the Ramos Law team is built to fight for you every step of the way. Experience the Ramos Law difference. Contact them today at RamosLaw.com. All right. What do we need to see at mandatory many camp coming up this week for the Broncos? I really don't need to see BoneX. Ooh, that's saucy. I don't need to see him at all. And it's not just like keep him healthy type of thing. It's what's best for Bow long term. I don't want any sort of extra stress put on and because you know with BoneX and you know how competitive he is, Mace. He's gonna push and he's gonna push and he's gonna push for as much as he possibly can do. If it's better and I know the promise has been like he'll do a little more and he'll do a little more. We'll define a little more because I don't want to lose my mind and I don't want my cohorts on the radio even on her own station or other stations to take BoneX only did like three reps. He only did three or he only does he doesn't do any reps or he does five reps or we're rep counting and then it's the biggest disaster because BoneX didn't do a no no baby. If it's August and BoneX is out there good good to go. I don't want to stress about this. Maybe sounds weird. I don't need to see BoneX out there unless he really is capable of those handful of reps. Clip that now we know it is gonna clip. It's not gonna spill anything right but we know it is gonna clip. Uh it's can we do it without the captions? I mean is there a way to do it without those but like because when I look at the captions on Justin Stern at a few days ago it was like oh my word. Yeah. I failed on that. But boy like I thought to myself you're saying not just our station but other stations. I'm like no you could say it's our station. Okay we know who. We do know who. Yes just like we don't need to do that. We don't need the rep count. We don't need the we just don't need that. Need BoneX healthy man. That's it. It's interesting also you put a different thought in my mind because I thought I'd like to see how he moves. Sure but yeah we know how bow is he will push and you can tell him to throttle back but then competitive instinct even on the practice field kicks in because he is a tenacious son of a gun. That's just the way he's wired. He's in that regard he's type A and when that when you've got that type of personality you're viewing every situation as competitive you're trying to win that moment and make the most of that moment. So yeah I feel you're right there with what you're saying C's on that. I don't need to see him. I believe he's going to be fine. I mean he did take walk through reps last week according to Sean Payton. He dropped that little note in there when I asked him about how the work with the first team was helping Jared's denim and you know how Sean sometimes answers but you know gives you an answer to a question you didn't ask but it's something very useful like he wants to get it off his chest. Yes I think he wants the public to know that bow is okay. That bow is coming along fine that Bronco's country you have nothing to worry about. Now there's the part of me that does want to see it with my own eyes to look on look on you with my own eyes as do we call Manekin at that moment he was Anakin at that moment. At that moment he was Anakin he wasn't Darth Vader. Yeah yeah so that's Anakin talking to Luke father talking to son. Yep. Yeah. I'm not David prowess because he was mad they didn't use him. It was what Sebastian Stan. Sebastian Shaw. Sebastian Shaw. Yes. David prowess was mad that they didn't use him. Yeah. I don't think George liked the way that you talked. Yeah well I mean if you have ever heard have you ever seen the clips the raw clips of the filming of the original three Star Wars movies when they don't have James Rolke Jones's voice. Right. Unfortunately the late David prowess did not have the strongest of voices. Right. And it's very and when you see for example I think there's one I saw on YouTube not too long ago or some social media I'm not sure maybe it was Instagram and it was the scene in in the original Star Wars a new hope when he is holding up and choking Captain Antilles. Oh yes yes. And so the thing is David prowess is doing all the line readings as they're shooting because you have to the actors have to play off those lines right. Yeah. But it's not very intimidating. Yeah like you hear the voice it just does not have doesn't have the same power as the late James Rolke Jones had. I mean gosh what a beautiful voice. Did you know by the way that before he passed he signed he he signed on to allowing Lucasfilm to use his voice to take like his voice and recordings of it and use that to synthesize via AI and whatever method you're using what you know lines for Darth Vader going forward. So in a way it will still be James Rolke Jones's voice that you hear every time you hear Darth Vader anywhere in the Star Wars in the Star Wars canon. And I do believe at some point if they really wanted to a movie that's like like that really would totally have us go crazy. A Vader-centric film yeah set I would say somewhere between I don't do you want to set it between attack of the clones and the Obi-Wan Kenobi series if you want to set it after Obi-Wan Kenobi and before Row one like where do you want me to spoil what they did in the comics because there was you know how Queen Amidala had the handmaidens yes there's one of her handmaidens who looks like her that actually teams up with Darth Vader later and he like fights alongside her and it looks like Amidala's fighting with Darth Vader. Wow yeah you could take I mean there's some good ideas that you can take from the comics that you can like expand for for for movie. We're way off the rails. It's okay it's the end of the show. Monday it's Monday it's fun. It's fine. Well usually we do this on Friday but you know it is what it is it's also an interesting day for me because you know it's there's a I've got a little procedure that I'm having today. So the magic of pre-recording for yeah you know that's that's just kind of the way it is there's there's going to be there's going to be a lot of pre-recordings here over the next few weeks because cease and I need our downtime badly before it ramps up. Yes like need to get away. I promise every pre-recording I will wear different shirts mostly mostly. I'll wear our shirts. I think I will I think I want to wear this shirt a few more times over. No it's a cardigan thanks. I think you're going to see this shirt again a little bit too but except really I'm looking at this I'm like I'm liking it. I kind of want one. I kind of want one. I got to go to Homefield apparel they have like an ABA area now. So they have they and I believe they have Denver Rockets. Ooh Merch on there too which is actually I think the next order I make from [BLANK_AUDIO] I think may include a Denver Rockets shirt. That's very similar to this, but this is, I mean, this is my home state. It's Virginia. I mean, it's the only major professional team that ever called Virginia home was the Virginia Squires. Mm-hmm. History, man. And they actually, one of, one of, they, they, they be a tried this thing with regional teams. The Carolina Cougars played at multiple spots in North Carolina, Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh. And the same thing with the Virginia Squires, they played in Hampton Roads at Norfolk Scope and Hampton Causeum. They briefly played in Roanoke as well. And they played quite a few games in Richmond at the Richmond Causeum. So that's your ABA history for the, for the day. So a little Star Wars, a little ABA. And don't you get? And don't you love like the way that old logo goes were too like you can't do this an illustrator. No. So some, but this is an AI. Yeah. This is like, it reminds me, cease of like some of the Broncos old logos, you know, you know, which one, you know, not the one on the helmet, but like, you know, the Bucking Bronco one and you see the teeth as well. That's what it, this kind of, it's that same type of character to it. You know, we see like the Dallas Cowboys have busted out similar logo on March from time to time. And I think their coaches were wearing it for throwback games when they did the throwback uniforms like this is. You think of the Browns with a little gnome guy or whatever. Oh, the elf Brownie the elf. I love that logo. Yeah. I loved it when they put that logo at midfield. I wish they'd put it back at midfield. The Steelers with the guy that kicks off of the Gerder. Yes. Kick of the football on the Gerder. Like. The endingapolis cold sets the horse that's bucking the cold that's bucking the Saints have the thing with the big chin. Yeah. You know, like with the the Quagmire joint chin basically. Giggity. Giggity, gigity, gigity, gigity. On that. That was in the Patriots. Anyway, and the Pat Patriots. That's another one. I mean, that's just a classic logo. It's like, but you know, they were hand drawn. I, my prediction ceases that we are about to see a that we are actually already in the process of seeing a backlash to. Oh, no doubt, no doubt. As someone who employs multiple artists from my comic book company, I rail against a I art because it's and people don't like it. Like they're pushing it away. AI slot people are rejecting on YouTube like they're they're rejecting it. People are rejecting it. It's a little uncanny valley. You know what I mean? Where you can tell it's not real. If it's a video. If it's a picture, maybe some people don't look close enough, but you can also tell. I mean, and frankly, it's it's scary what how it can be used, but people are. I think you're going to you're you're you're seeing a backlash and it manifests in some interesting ways. I read something a few months ago about how score keeping at baseball games is back on the rise again. Nice. Because it's one of those something I've always loved. And I still every Brocky's game I cover him in the press box. I got my I'm always keeping score which is great because then when I'm writing my recap, it's like I guess. Oh, there it is. There. I've I've that's my note taking basically. But it's one of those things that is a completely analog experience as it were. There's a move for dumb phones now. I might get an old Motorola razor man like. Yeah. I don't need a smartphone. If you can get a hold of me, you can get a hold of me. You could text on a Motorola razor. Raysers are cool, man. I mean, I actually like the blackberry because I like the keyboard. Blackberries were cool. Adam Schaefter had multiple blackberries before he had his iPhones. I'm for me, it was a downgrade because I was much more I was much quicker and more accurate typing on a blackberry than I am on an iPhone. My thumbs don't like it as much. It's the field thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's just I'm not saying going all the way back to like rotary phones, but I could embrace going back to just the blackberry. Might be in the plans, but anyway, you never know what you're going to get. Orange blue day, by the way, these are some of the conversations we have off air. So this is what when we hang out, we're like this. We're like, genuinely front. We're friends like. Yes. Yes. And I mean, like we were actually lamenting how we got to do so many prerecords so we can have the downtime that we don't have time to go grab lunch. Right. Together because it's always enjoyable when we grab lunch and we just, and we have conversations just like this. So peeling back the curtain here to wonder, what are season mace like when they have dinner at via Amelia in mobile Alabama in the middle of senior bowl. We get a lot like it's a lot like this. Now they're granted there's a fair amount of players. We like players, we like from practices and all that. And you know, there's there's some shop talk, but there's also a lot of this like this is this is what's cool. This is what I can do. This is why I like doing a show with you like which was your favorite princess. I like to play a haircut because I prefer the best spin. Oh. I'm actually I was always fond of her hot haircut. Very good. I thought I actually just her entire hot look. I'd soon just a kiss a wookie. Yeah. The hair, the winter gear like I just that I, you know, somewhere somewhere in Florida is the action figure of all my star wars. Never had a hot lay out. I have regga I still have a regular lay out from a new hope. But that was um, yeah, I thought that like the first shot we see of her when she looks at Han Solo in the film, right? When Han comes in to say that he to tell General right, can't that he can't stay that he's got the mark on his head from job of the hut. You know, I mean, there's that look tells you everything about what's to come for the two of them. Yep. Like how you know, and it's so many, it's so many emotions in that because it's it's not just, it's obvious. It's not just the leadership that Han has in the Rebel Alliance, but it's, you know, it's personal. It's like there's, there's so much going on that you can see in the look that she has in that moment. Gosh, I'm really. Well, dialogue may have been terrible, but the acting was great. Well, what was it there? Yeah, what was it that Harrison Ford told George Lucas once you can write this bleep, but you can't say this bleep. But remember, Empire Strikes Back was a Lawrence, Kazdan screenplay. Now originally a Lee bracket, the late Lee bracket had what wrote the original screenplay, but there was an all that they kept her name on it, even though not much of what she wrote survived into the film. It's mostly Lawrence, Kazdan. Okay. Who wrote that? Like there, I'll ask you what, what stayed? Yeah, it's, it's, you should like look up like that original screenplay. I will. It's all over like it's, it's wild to like look at what that first vision, that first draft of Star Wars was, so or Empire Strikes Back, sorry. Well, let's wrap this up and we can nerd out off air. It's Monday edition, orange or blue today. How can you help us out on YouTube, Andrew Mason? Like, comment, share, subscribe, hit that notification bell. So that you never missed a vid. That's right. He's Mace. I'm C's follow Mace on the socials at Mace Denver. I'm at C'solami. OBT is a nerd fest. Yep. It's fine, everybody's fine. 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