A Hebrew Israelite Told Me White People Can’t Go to Heaven

You believe that I'm going to go to heaven? No. There's no hope for me because of my skin color. As a servant, if an Israelite makes it into the kingdom, and let's say you make it, you'll be his slave or his servant. So let's say a white person genuinely repents, believes in Jesus Christ, lives by the Bible. Are they going to heaven? No. Do you believe that the white man is the devil? Absolutely. There ain't a greater devil on the planet. What do you think is going to happen to me on Judgment Day? You'll probably be a servant. You're going to have the option. To live or unalive. Then there'll come a time when we'll hunt men. What does that mean? Exactly what it sounds like. We're going to hunt and round you up. Hey, before we dive in, if these videos have meant anything to you, if they've helped your faith or brought you closer to God in any way, make sure you're actually subscribed. A lot of people watch every single week and still haven't hit that button. 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I genuinely believe that this is going to be a night people carry with them for a long time, and I'd love to see you there. All right, let's get into this episode. What's going on, guys? Welcome back to another episode of the Bryce Crawford Podcast. I'm Bryson. Today, I'm with Captain Tazariak. Yeah, man. Got the name right. Appreciate you having me on your platform, man. Been looking forward to it, actually, since the first time we started corresponding. I was looking forward to coming on to your platform. I love coming on Christian-based platforms, believe it or not. I believe it. Yeah, because I think there's a space where certain conversations can be had where it's not so combative. What I've learned over the years, when I actually have sit-downs like this that's not in a debate style, people have a different. They have a different perspective. If not, are they Israelites, they have a different perspective of me and my approach. And then y'all be trying to convert me to Christianity, which we saw that earlier today. Yeah, that's why we got to get some shoes and some snacks. Yeah, yeah, trying to convert me. Every time, like when I sit with different Christians, whether they tell me in person, like even in the gym, like y'all have no idea the reach y'all have, and it helps my reach. So when I'm in my gym in Jersey, they'll come up to me, hey, man, I saw you with this one, I saw you with that one. Hey, man, you close, you just need to come on to the other side, brother. Just come on to the other side. And so I love having these conversations because I think when we can get past debates and have conversation, even if you still disagree with me afterwards, you can understand where I'm coming from biblically, even if you disagree. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. I like these environments. Yeah, I think that's right because I think we need to have more, you know, it's how you debate, you know, if you can have that conversation. Definitely. It's funny because you are the next. You are the nicest Hebrew-Israelite I've ever met, personally, in person, nicest one I've ever met. And I know we were talking about it, but there's a difference between maybe some of the Hebrew-Israelites that people see online and then your group, the ISUPK. So can you kind of explain a little bit about your group? Yeah, so we don't have a monopoly on being an Israelite. So for us, we teach that the Israelites are in America, North Central and South America, the blacks, Latinos and Native Indians. There are other factions or groups of Israelites out there that either came from our organization or might have heard something from our organization, or because when you do the history of black people waking up to who they are, there are other groups. You have Rabbi Ford, Matthews, Wentworth, Ben Amin. You got a lot of different groups or sects of black people that believe or found out, discovered that they were Israelites. So we won't say we own the monopoly of it. We do say we're not affiliated, though. And a part of the reason we say we're not affiliated, like you're not a Roman Catholic Christian, right? Right, right. So you probably wouldn't affiliate with them based on their beliefs and based on their standards. And so you don't want, if something happens in the Roman Catholic world, you don't want them to say, "That's me." So same thing with us. When something happens with these Israelites and they're not affiliated, we don't want to be lumped in. So we're not affiliated with a group that doesn't obey God the way that we obey God. Gotcha. So there are other groups, but we're not affiliated with those groups. So I don't know if you remember a couple of years ago, but when I first moved to LA, it was in 2022, there were the pictures of the Israelites with the banners above the bridges in LA. I don't know if you remember that. So I can't remember what they were saying, but we've had run-ins with different Israelites wherever, in Chicago and New York and whatever. Right. And you're saying that sometimes the Israelites that people meet are not from your organization. Right. So does that make you guys upset a little bit, I guess, if someone, let's say I run into a group in Chicago that has nothing to do with you and they say a bunch of stuff that you don't agree with and then I make my mind up about them and I go, "Okay, well, this is what they believe." No. So I don't necessarily get upset. That's why not being affiliated, I have the freedom to say, "Yeah, they wouldn't have done that to me." That's what I have the freedom of. And sometimes it's good when something bad, I don't want to say bad, when they get shamed because we believe that if God didn't authorize you to teach, you shouldn't be out there. So it never bothers me when it's someone else. Now, here's who it does bother. It does bother Israelites that are not in the school that look at it like we're this big united front. But if we were the big united front from outside. From our position, we would already be together, and then we would be united. You can't be divided when it's convenient and united when it's convenient. You're either all together or you're all not. So my leader, Commander Jenny Hanna, has asked for all Israelites to come together. We've asked to come and sit down, work out our differences, have these different type of conversations. Now, if they don't choose to come, they don't choose to come. So if you go in front of a group and it's not our group, whether they're successful or not is not really a concern of ours. Yeah. At all. So explain to me, before we kind of get into your core beliefs, explain to me the hierarchy of structure, I guess, when it comes to chain of command, because you're the cap, right? You just mentioned the commander, but sometimes like, you know, I watched a sit down you did on the way we were talking about it, and you were with some other guys, and they wouldn't speak. One of them wouldn't speak unless you said something to him. So what's up with that? That's our whole entire structure. So in the Israelite school of UPK, we're built like what the Bible and even outside the Bible call a military type of structure. So like in the Old Testament, you'll see Moses had captains of 50, captains of a thousand, X, Y, Z, like that. So we're about order. Like the Bible is always about order. Even when Christ fed them the fish with the bread, he sat them down in ranks. So in our organization, Commander Jenny Hanna, he's the highest ranking man in our organization. So there's nobody above him except in the heavenly realm outside of him. And how did he get that role? Well, when our school was founded in 1969, there were seven men that founded the school. He was the eighth man in the school. And so eventually, they left. Some left through passing away. Some left through lack of faith. And so he got the position because it fell to him. He didn't like, you know, sometimes you hear stories of people fighting for victory. The rank or fighting for the position. He actually got the position because it fell to him. He didn't even want it. And I think that speaks to the humility that you even see in the Bible. Because most people that are the leaders in the Bible are men that didn't want it. You know what I mean? Jeremiah didn't want it. Daniel thought he was too young. So a lot of Moses, he had to send Aaron with Moses. So it was always men like that. And so that's Commander Jenny Hanna. He has that humility. And then you got the generals that come under him. And then you have the captains. And then you have officers, and then you have troopers, and then we have sisters. The reason why you only see one of us talk is because of the strict, we believe in having one voice. So if, let's say if all of us was in here and we was all in my organization, only one of us would speak because we all say the same thing. So if, but if I'm speaking and he's speaking and he's speaking and you speaking, then that's confusion to us. So we don't have it like that now and that sit down, it was actually two of us. So it was me and Khadijah now, that's my right hand man, Khadijah, he actually just got a rank raise to the same rank I am now. So he's a, congratulations Khadijah, he just got that rank raise. So now in a two on two, now we can feed off of each other because it's in a debate style set up as a two on two, but in a normal environment, it would only be one person speaking unless it's necessary. So he's kind of like, he's kind of like y'all's Pope. Who? The commander. Like the guy at the top, he's kind of like y'all's pope. Like if he says something, Right. Like if he let's say, you know, you leave this, you leave the podcast and we go and he, you know, sends a mass email out or whatever. I don't know. Or like, you know, and he's like a new doctrine update. We believe this thing. Then everyone holds to it. That's under the organization. Then I would differentiate him from the pope. I was actually going to say something more diabolical. I was going to say, except we don't molest kids. That's all I was going to say with that. But the other part, what you just said, he also wouldn't do. So we wouldn't. We wouldn't. So we wouldn't. So Commander Jenny Hanna would not and cannot say we're going to change a doctrine because Commander Jenny Hanna has never done that. We follow the doctrine of the Bible. And the Bible says if any man or if we are an angel, bring another doctrine that we know our fathers have learned, let him be accursed. So Commander Jenny Hanna wouldn't do that. But he would and he would and does enforce. The word of the most high. And so he is somebody that if he gives orders, we follow. But then the generals under him can do the same thing. The captains under him can do the same thing. So we all have that ability. And it's a great responsibility, which is why we don't think it's something for everybody has to be trained. You have to be trained because the Bible is like probably the most disrespected book on the planet. It's the one book where if I was good at basketball and I walked into the Lakers arena and say, hey, man, I've been playing basketball. For 10 years, let me be the starting center. I can help LeBron James avoid this week. They're going to say, no, you don't have no experience. But anybody can walk in this room right now and pull out a Bible verse that says Ephesians 2 and 12 says this. And he believes he has that authority instead of saying like Hebrews 5 and 12 said before you must before you could teach, you must first be taught. So for us, if you're not taught the Bible, you can't teach the Bible. If you're not under a structure or a body, you can't do anything. So. Managing Ahana, if you want to put him as far as rank and put him in that position, yes. But the way the Pope is and the way the commander is, is different. So when you say taught, you mean you got to go to the school and then you can teach? Yeah, you got to come up under our school. You got to be consistent for a certain amount of days. You become a trooper. Then when you have consistency as the trooper, then you can get what's called an officer's test. You get the test with the answers and you got to be able to. You get 100% accuracy on that test. And then when you get that test, now you can teach. And then after you begin doing that, where you go from there, it's not like American military where you get ranked for time served. In our school, you get ranked based on your work and effort. So if you do nothing, you get nothing. If you do stuff, you get ranked. I guess what I'm trying to understand is, well, OK, walk me through a little bit of the core of what you believe, considering doctrine. Well, we believe is that according to the Bible. The blacks, Latinos and Native Indians are the true children of God scattered in the four corners of the earth for our disobedience of the law, statute, commandments that God gave to Moses. When Christ came, Christ came to redeem the children of Israel to that God. Like Matthew 1 and 21, when it says he shall redeem his people. So we believe we are those people. So we make it our business to go out and wake up our people to their identity. Give them the law, statute, commandments. That are in the Bible and repent and pray to the most high to go back to our homeland. And what and you guys, what do you believe about Jesus? We believe Jesus is the son of the most high. So he's like in John 3, 16, when it says for God, which is talk about the father. So love the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believe it to him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. We believe that world is Israel. We believe that whosoever is doesn't matter what you've done. And so for us. Christ without Christ, we don't have access to God. Okay, we believe, but you don't believe he is the most high as in God. You just believe he's the son of God. That's what he said. And so in language of I'm using language like in rank, right? God is superior to the son. Yes. Okay. Even in like first Corinthians 11 and three, it says the head of every woman is the man. The head of the man is Christ. The head of Christ is God. And then you believe you. So you don't believe it. You don't believe in the Trinity. No. And then when it comes to salvation, it's faith and works. Yes. Like in James, it says faith without works is dead, so it's not enough. It's like if you're in a relationship and your woman tell you she love you, you don't think about the word that she said your mind immediately thinks about what she's done. And if she's done the actions of love, you believe it. If she's done the actions opposite, you don't. So it's the same thing. It's the same thing with a faith that we got faith in the most high. Your works just so that you're not worshiping idols. You're not eating unclean foods. You're not celebrating these holidays that God said, don't celebrate. So that's how we look at the works. The works like Christmas. Yeah, like Christmas. Yeah, you know, that Christmas tree is in Jeremiah. Did you celebrate Christmas? I love Christmas, man. You do? Honestly, I think it'd be so fun if we got a picture of me, you and Santa. So let me ask you, you don't think so. Christmas is supposed to be Jesus's birthday, right? OK, if we're talking like literal, like, was Jesus born on the 25th of December? Like, no, I wasn't going to say that. So let's say, but it's supposed to be symbolic for Christ's birthday, right? You don't think it's disrespectful that they got some white man from the North Pole getting celebrated in the same day that the birth of Christ is supposed to be celebrated? Look, I can't I can't personally decide like, oh, my gosh, are we going to, you know, eat the cookie and this is the fat dude from the North Pole going to give me an Xbox on Christmas Day? Like, I'm like, OK, whatever. Like, it is what it is. I don't think it's disrespectful. So if Christ is the king and I'm assuming you believe Christ is God, right? Yeah. So you don't think it's disrespectful for God to have to share his born day with a made up Santa Claus? It can become disrespectful, I believe, like in an idolatry sense. Like if you prioritize the Christmas gifts over Jesus himself, like that could be like, you know, hey, I could disrespect God by making this conversation and like, oh, my gosh, I got to sit down with Cap, like I can focus on that more than Jesus. And I would be like slapping him in the face. No, man, because like who you think the kids believe more on December 25th? Do you think they care more about Jesus' birthday or the new PS5 or PS6 that's going to come out? Oh, I'll 100% say there's probably a lot of kids that probably are so stoked for the new PS5. And so then and then I would follow that up with, does God, if let's say if that's true, that you're supposed to celebrate his birthday, do you think your God would want to share his birthday with someone else? I don't know. Somebody was probably born on Jesus' birthday, too. No, no. Talk about the celebration. Yeah. Again, I think it's about there's kids, right, that are going to love the PS5 more than Jesus. There's going to be kids that love the candy or the Reese's Cup or the new shoes or whatever it may be, or Santa's coming down the Christmas. That's absolutely going to happen. On the contrary, there's also going to be people that don't care about that, that are like, oh, this is tradition. This is the case. But, you know, it is what it is. Like, we could go for the same thing on Halloween. We could talk about Halloween in the way that's wicked, too. You know, man like man has made traditions that are awful and things like that. But at the same time, there's also things that I could do on Halloween that aren't partaking in wickedness. But yeah, we could do anything like we could do anything we could. I guess my question is, like, where do you ride the fine line with secularism, like, for example, with music, right? Like if a music doesn't blatantly sing worship to the most high, but it doesn't glorify sin, do you listen? Well, music is not unlawful. I do think you have to watch some of the music that you listen to because music is also spiritual. You can see when when David, excuse me, when Saul had that unclean spirit put on him, David can play music that would take that spirit off of him. So that's the enhancement that music has. Music can control like in the Christian church. They have their organ where they can play certain chords on the organ to strike a certain vibe on you. If they want you to feel sad, they could play a certain chord. They want you to get excited. They could play a certain chord of music. So that's music as a whole. So music can present a certain danger if you're not careful. But music in and of itself is not unlawful. So I wouldn't prevent nobody listening to a musical song no more than I would prevent them from watching Deadpool and Wolverine. The only danger would become is if when they listen to that music, they then try to act out what they're hearing in the music that's unlawful. Just like if they watch Deadpool and Wolverine, now they think they're going to put some blades on their hands and then unalive so many people like they did in the movie. So it's really our reaction reaction to a movie or music. I'm using movie as an example so people could just understand. So it's our reaction to music. It's our reaction to the influence because TV, music, all of the entertainment world does provide an avenue. And there is a spirit behind it. Sure. So like Ephesians 6 says, we wrestle not against principalities, but flesh and blood, but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places. So you definitely have to be careful when it comes to music. but you also have to be careful, we don't do nothing secular in that sense. So those holidays that we were talking about, all of that is the principalities that we think that come against the most high. But what about the kid that looks at Christmas and says, you know, six-year-old kid, eight-year-old kid or whatever, and they get a gift on Christmas and they are so grateful that they got a gift. They're just ecstatic or whatever. And, you know, they go to church and they go, wow, wait, hold on a second. You know, I got this physical gift or whatever, you know, it's cool. But the greatest gift was Jesus died on the cross for me. And Matthew 16, he tells Peter that it's not by flesh and blood that you've been able to understand that I'm the Christ, but it is a gift from God. They get that revelation. They're like, wow, this is a gift. Could you not say that that same thing you're saying, as long as you don't act out on the wickedness of music, you don't act out on the wickedness of a holiday. But like, you know, there's some traditions of man in multiple holidays. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not really, that's not my thing. I don't know if I'm going to do that, but there's some other things I'm like, okay, but like Santa given a Santa given a Christmas gift to a kid and represented generosity. I would say the difference is the intent. I would tell a six-year-old for, first of all, we're teaching our kids to lie and believe lies because we know, because we know it's Santa, but it's Santa real. No, he's not real. Now, you know, historically though, if you was to ever look up, uh, St. Nicholas, he was actually a black person where they copied this from. You can get a book called the Russian icons. They have a picture of St. Nicholas. He's a black man with a red, um, uh, jacket on. Wow. And he used to give gifts to kids. That's the origin of St. That's why it's called St. Nicholas. St. Nicholas was his actual name. It's in a book called Russian icons. And so what they took with that folklore, then you guys should love St. Nick. Then let me, let me, I'm trying to understand. You're like dogging on Christmas. And you tell me, I'm like, what? I'm not dogging out St. Nicholas. I'm dogging out Santa. Cause that's what I'm about to get to. So now what, what your people did, they said, let's take this tradition and let's expand it. So now he's no longer black. Now he's white. He's in the North pole, got Rudolph with the red nose reindeer and he's flying through the North pole on December 24th. And he delivers gifts all around the world to everybody on the planet earth in less than 24 hours. Because when kids go to sleep at midnight, they waking up at five o'clock, three o'clock, four o'clock, cause they can't sleep through the rest of the night and the gifts are under the tree. So clearly that is not a real story. So we're teaching our kids to lie because all, all through our life, you know what they're doing all through our life. They're believing in Santa They're being good. You know, they treat Santa Claus like God. Think about this. What's the song? He knows if you've been good or bad. Wait, he knows if you, so wait. Bad or good. Bad or good. So be good for goodness sake. So now the kid is not being good for God. The kid is being good for Santa. That's diabolical. Now, I totally understand that. But what I'm saying, you know, so you think, well, that part with the goodness for goodness sake, like, yeah, that's what I'm saying when you could take a holiday, for example, and make it about something that it shouldn't. Idolatry, when something matters more than what matters most. But isn't that idolatry, though? Some things can become idolatry, but some things can't become idolatry. Think about what we're breaking down with Santa. The power they give Santa. We're giving Santa, like, the craziest time right now. We are. Who knew we would have talked about Santa for about 15, 20 minutes? Wait, do you think the Santa tracker is demonic? The Santa track, what's that? Oh, dude, you got to learn about the Santa tracker. If you turn on the news, I'm going to be like, yo, Santa's in Argentina right now. Definitely demonic. Y'all have, they have took the land of make-believe to a whole nother, if they got a Santa tracker, the seduction that they're putting on kids is crazy. And then the same parents that's making their children believe a lie, you know what they don't want their kids to do? They don't want their kids to lie to them. I mean, when I found out, think about that. I mean, when I found out, so how I found out, there wasn't no Santa Claus. I was like, uh, I think 10 or 11, me and my sister got a twin sister. We wanted bikes. Okay. And I wake up Christmas Eve cause I'm hearing this noise and I peek out my, my, my door and I hear my father and mother and them putting together the bikes. I'm like, damn, I thought Santa was bringing the bike. I said, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, that ain't making the bikes like that. I'm whispering like that. And when I seen that they was making the bikes, I knew that there wasn't no Santa Claus. You know, you know, I found out there wasn't a Santa dude. I was plotting. I was playing the long game. So I asked for a GoPro one year and then I propped the GoPro up a year later, caught my parents on the GoPro. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think, I think Santa, I think if we talk about idolatry and we're trying to avoid idolatry and faith without works, our faith in the most high, we should give up Christmas if we love the most high. Interesting. Yeah. Hope your audience, man, pay attention. Give up Christmas. If you love God. Quick pause. Every time you fill up, you're handing over money and getting nothing back. That always kind of bugged me. So now I earn cash back at the pump at the store. And when I grab food all through the upside app and this part of the video is sponsored by upside, but I'm not just reading an ad. I use this thing opening it before I feel has become automatic for me. 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So 4th of July is not a lawful or unlawful thing as far as idolatry goes, but it is unlawful for black men. Man or Latino man or native Indian to celebrate. It is absolutely unlawful. Whoa. Really? Because 4th of July, think about it, it says, uh, 4th of July is about America's independence from the Britons. Right? Okay. And black people fought in there. You know, remember in the, and I think the third, the third, um, the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner. Dude, we're just unlocking crazy Israelite lore right now. Listen, man. Scratch the doctors. Let's go into this right now. I appreciate you letting me break it down. So in the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner, it talks about the slaves, right? And so as black people are fighting for Americans to break from the Britons, which if I could backtrack a little bit, they lied on that too. You know, the, the white Europeans that was in America, they were so soft and scary. They blamed the Boston massacre on native Indians. They dressed up as, listen, they did not want them. I'm telling you, listen, man, when you go and do the research, you're going to see they were so scary that they dressed up as native Indians when they overthrew all the tea so that the British would think that the native Indians did it. So now we got to, the native Indians, my good brother's got to take the blame for the Boston Tea Party. We fight for their war, but then when they got their independence, they didn't give us no independence. So when we celebrate 4th of July as a black, Latino, and native Indian, you're saying, you're celebrating America's independence, but you're not celebrating yours. That's why they had to create a Juneteenth. That's why they have to create a Cinco de Mayo. If Juneteenth, if it was about freedom, then July 4th should have been the freedom of everybody. When that American constitution says all men are created equal, but we were still enslaved. It's hard for me to understand how we could all be equal. Think about, think about America's founding on Christian values. Right? Yeah. It is. Yeah. And God loves everybody. Right? Dude, you're making me laugh. Yes, he does. Yes, he does. But the Christian values still enslaved and pillaged. You know, Saba, I don't know how old y'all are, but y'all are Thundercats. Wait, how old do you think I am? Maybe 26, 27. I'm 22. Okay. All right. Yeah. So y'all are the Thundercats. What does that mean? You ever seen the Thundercats? What does that mean? You're young. You're too young. Listen, I just aged the hell out of myself. This is a cartoon with these, with Lionel, Panthero, Tigra, and all of them, right? And their world was getting destroyed, right? And so they go to a third world, which is Earth. Every cartoon, it goes back to the third world. And when they go back to that third world, they colonize and take over and fight the natives of that land. That's what y'all are, the Thundercats. But y'all are looked at as the heroes. So when Lionel get that sword and he say, "Thunder, thunder, thunder," everybody scream because he's the lion. But it's that the suffering of the people of that land, because when y'all come over and tell us god loves everybody we shouldn't have been enslaved we should have worked together the native indians wanted to work with the white christians well sure yeah we can get into that a little bit you know i mean it's up to you it's your flow well no no i gotta i mean i got a ton of questions but that was something i wanted to get to at one point was well a couple different things so i've talked to some some israelites in this the same guys three times first time i went in there they said black people are the true israelites that's it point blank period that's what he said right i'm like all right well what about the latin americans and the native americans and they were like no and they said no right second time i went they said well it's the black people and the native americans i'm like okay the first time i came here you didn't say that right right and so and then the third time i went it was black people native americans latin americans and asians and you went to the same people the same people that's why we said we're not affiliated because the israelites sound confused that you was talking and they wouldn't even shake my hand it's not unlawful to shake a hand yeah it's not unlawful to shake a hand sometimes we might dap we might do a little dap or something like that yeah like i even dap my brother so that's not even like a black or white thing but sometimes you do dap it's not unlawful to shake hands but what i guess what i don't understand is and i and i hope you can hear what i'm saying when i say this like you know that these guys are particular they kept bringing up how white people would rip pages out of the bible manipulate the bible to keep people enslaved that's true though i know it is and i would look at him and i say yeah that's wrong like i i agree that's wrong but but they keep bringing it up and you kind of mention like the in enslavement thing and i'm like well hold on a second like let me backtrack like i agree that's wrong and like that breaks god's heart too but just because of the wickedness of man you can't like blanket statement god and say well god doesn't love everyone everyone because you know when we would stop talking about um slavery and this is this is something that's hard for americ european americans to understand uh because european americans have experienced justice they've experienced justice with the american revolution they've experienced with civil war world war one world war two uh the spanish opposition there's nothing that american europeans have been through where they have not gotten retribution or justice for as a nation and so when they hear a black person talking about slavery and they're like well god doesn't love bring up slavery it's like to happen so and this is a near mind it happened so long ago why are you still talking about it because blacks latinos and native indians have never received that same retribution so white people like yourself would say it's wrong and i don't doubt your sincerity of that it's wrong but saying that it's wrong and it's somebody actually showing through their actions that it's wrong makes a difference if you tell a person that is essayed um that it was wrong that they got essayed but they don't see the person that essayed them um be judged or punished or something like that they're never able to get over that if they still got to be around i remember chris rock said if you're black in america it's like that uncle that paid your way through college but molested you that's what the experience of black people you can laugh it's supposed to be that was like a crazy it's like a parent i'm like because because that's what it's like to be a black person in america is america is a place where they took the shackles off of us but every time we would try to build they would find a way to tear it down so when you think about the black cities that we would have when you think about the red line and when you think about the highways like in california all the highways and you look at a lot of the major highways they go through black towns that they would have to take away those black towns from black people to expand the highway so we have suffered even though we've loved america i don't think there's nobody that loves america more than us we love america more than white people we were fighting your wars we will build it right now we're looking for the next president to vote for there's nothing that we won't give for america but we have not seen reciprocity from it so when sorry i didn't mean to cut you off what is enough then you know what i mean like what what then for for you would you say is enough to just not justify but your life my life yeah so just not you it's not not you specifically but your life that would be justice in what way like just me dying yeah i mean or the god like god said he that leaded in the captivity shall go into captivity he that unalive with the sword must be unalive with the sword here is the patience and the faith of the saints so y'all have had the opportunity to make it right what you did to the indigenous people of this land the people that you imported in this land you've had the opportunity to give them land back there's nothing more valuable than that okay so god wants justice like i would agree god is a just god enemies of the children point blank period right but when we look at justice that that's why me as a christian i'm drawn to jesus because it's like if i put faith in jesus what he did on the cross then i get the grace of god and the justice for my sins was inflicted on on christ or if i don't put my faith and trust in jesus then i i pay for my sins with my own life the children of israel have to pay for the sins that their fathers did in the old testament and the new yeah the israel was wandering in the desert for 40 years they were punished jerusalem fell in 70 ad2 because of the sins of their father right even for the innocent israelites like they were all the israelites wasn't bad yeah good israelites but we still were judged as a nation so america would be judged as a nation too that's why that's why i'm saying i speak in general you even he may say we in certain things because i'm not a sinner i don't break the commandments of god but when i speak i'll say we so i'm definitely not talking about you as bryce but america has to pay as a nation for what they've done they've shed the most but i won't say the most because when you go through history you got some people that did some bloodshed but the blood of the blacks latinos and native indians over here and so the bible says that they have to pay for that so when you say reparations and stuff like that even reparations i'm not saying i agree or disagree with reparations but you see for all the the liberals uh democrats and republicans none of them would give black people rep around i think that's a a pipe dream that black people are chasing they're not going to get reparations so the same people that say and i'm going to say i'm saying people now talk about people in position of power to actually give reparations they'll say we love everybody but they don't plan on doing anything um for the victims of slaves and stuff like that why do you think black people are now saying that the fbas foundation of black americans they trying to establish an identity that was taken from them so you know that's how i look at it so when when uh the book of jude talks about vengeance being the lord's right and you believe in judgment day absolutely and grace well hold on let me let me let sorry let me backtrack a little bit so like i you know a lot of people talk about the old testament being like god in the old testament's a god of wrath and the god of new testament's like a god of love or whatever but it's worse than a new testament i i i think there's some i mean striking ananias and sapphira down is pretty intense you got a bunch of stuff in there but i love the book of hosea and how you know he's he's married to gomer and gomer's cheating on him every night he's cheating on him every night he's cheating on him every night and sells herself for sex in the street every night which is insane god's like go marry a prostitute and he's like what and then he goes and does it and then she's on the sex slave market and he buys her back off the sex slave market even though she's constantly rejected him now in that moment when jose is looking at gomer on the sex slave market after she's already cheated on him so many times and he's looking at her why wouldn't he just have the same mentality you guys have right now and go nah you know what yeah you're not worth a penny you deserve to be to be beaten and bruised and no one love you and no grace for you and you deserve justice you deserve this up there why isn't that the case why is it that jose buys her back as this note today you will be faithful to me forever and you're you're you're now my wife because when you read in jose that is a parable that is a um a metaphor about the children of israel yes and so the same way you can read in jose you're reading jeremiah the third chapter when the lord gave us a bill of divorce and put us away for adultery so it's not literal adultery spiritual adultery by serving other gods but in jose one and eleven after he cuts us off he says the children of israel shall be as the sand of the sea which cannot be measured or numbered and in a place where it say you are not the children of god they shall be called the sons of the living god so the reason why jose is taking her back is because god is taking us back so when you make it to today i like we're violent not you now i'm going to talk about my people now we're violent to each other we abuse each other black and brown don't get along but it's prophesied for us to come back together so when i go to a reservation when i go to a barrier when i go to a ghetto when i go anywhere where my people are even though they could have been violent to me they're violent to each other it is my duty to bring them back together because that's what god said but i have not read a verse where god said i have to go to nations that are not mine and then bring them back together with me because those are the enemies that God is going to destroy. So there's two types of enemies. There's one enemy that God, that the New Testament calls the son of perdition. Remember in, uh, in second Thessalonians says the coming of the Lord can't come until there's a falling away of the man who exalted and opposed himself against all that is God. So when you think about that, that's Europeans like this shirt that I have on, you see this man right here. Yeah. You see, it's called the imposter because this is who they say Jesus Christ was. But when you go into the Bible, it doesn't describe him like this image. Wait, so is that y'all's like merch? Yeah. Brother, my school made this, he made the pants. Wait, I want to know. So the school makes all the, like the, the wristbands, the head pieces. I didn't bring the headpiece and the wristband because I, um, I didn't know if, um, TSA would, cause they have spikes and stuff on them. Oh, so I, I didn't know if they would look at that. I didn't want them confiscating my, uh, my stuff. Otherwise I would have had that too. But yeah, we make all this ourself. How do I get one of those? You can't, you can't get no headpiece. You gotta be a priest to wear that headpiece. I'm not, not like a headpiece, but like, you know, if you want a shirt, I mean, I, you know, maybe not a shirt. I'm thinking like a wristband or something. Like a wristband or something, you know, you ain't gonna wear this shirt. I just want a wristband. I want something fun. You know, like I want, I want some. I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure you go to the biker club. Y'all probably got some fly stuff. I can't even ride an e-bike. No, no. Just to go to like, uh, them bike stores. They probably got some wristbands you could wear. Ours is reserved for priests. Hey, quick pause. Most people never go deeper in their Bible because they don't know where to start. It feels like you need seminary just to get past the surface. So you don't even try. That's actually what our sponsor Logos fixes. 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Start your exclusive 60-day free trial and grab the bundle at logos.com slash Bryce. That's logos.com slash Bryce. Links in the description. All right, back to the episode. When I do the debates, I was debating a lot of people into Egyptian beliefs and stuff like that. A lot of our people- Like Egyptian idolatry? Yeah, so a lot of our people believe in that. I think they believe in that because the white men believe in it, but they believe in all that. Seriously, because when you think about- Keep going, keep going, keep going. Wait, wait, no, let me get it out. Because out of all the African tribes, like there's 40 countries in Africa, it just so happened that the same country that black people idolize, which is Egypt, is the same country that America idolized, which is also Egypt. That's why I say that. Okay, okay. Because then you got Ethiopia, you got Nubia, you got other kingdoms that were great as well, while I focus on Egypt. So when I used to do a lot of debates against them, and the brother that made it actually believes in Egyptian culture. But I did so much damage in what they call a conscious community that he made this as a gift for me, and he also made this ring. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, this ring is pretty big, but I'm big, so it works out. Yeah, it fits you well. Yeah, definitely. If I got to ever put this on somebody's forehead. Right. Yeah, so, but the falling away. So when it comes to the falling away, this kingdom, whoever created this image and perpetrated this image, they have to fall away for Christ's kingdom to return. And that's where, you know, unfortunately, that's where Christianity comes in, because they created this. So you keep mentioning the white man. How do you feel about me? You personally? Yeah. Personal white people. I feel how whatever your reputation earns. So like when I came in here, and we chopped it up, and you see we laugh and joking, that's real. I'm not, there's no front. Because I don't, I'm not judging you as I'm judging all your ancestors and stuff like that. So I can come in here, I can talk with you, I can have a conversation with you. Now, let's flip it. Let's say if I came in here, and you was like, an a-hole, if you was extremely pompous, then my response would be different. But that's a one to one basis. Sure. So, but when we talk about white people in general, we're just talking about a collective, which y'all should be used to that, because y'all created all the statistics. Y'all created this stigma of white and black and Latino, and who commits the most crime, who doesn't commit the most crime. Y'all created this stigma of white and black and Latino, and who commits the most crime, because y'all created the racism that they say we are. Like, we can't be racist. I could be prejudiced, but I can't be racist, because I have not created a system or put a system in place that has the statistics that y'all create. So you only believe racism is systematic? Yeah, systematic racism. So let me clarify the question about me being white. Talking about considering the ISUPK's perspective of me as a white man, do you believe that I'm going to go to heaven? No. There's no hope for me? There's no hope for me, because of my skin color. As a servant. What the heck does that mean? Meaning, in Isaiah, in the Bible, in Isaiah 14 and in Isaiah 60, so I'll give you the nice version first. In Isaiah 14, it says, the Lord will have mercy on Jacob and yet choose Israel, and the strangers shall cleave unto them. And it said, the children of Israel shall take them captives, whose captives they were, and they shall possess them for bondmaids and handmaids, so that's the nice way that you'll be in the kingdom. You'll be in the kingdom as a servant. So if an Israelite makes it into the kingdom, and let's say you make it, you'll be his slave or his servant. And then Isaiah, the 60th chapter, says, the nation that will not serve shall perish. We call that the get down or lay down. Wait, what? It says. Okay, okay. So, so, all right. So then here's my follow-up question to that. There's some Israelites in San Antonio, and I saw the video. I still think, today, it is the funniest video I've ever seen in my life, because I'm like, you got to be kidding me. But they're forcing this dude to get down and kiss their feet. And the dude is obviously intoxicated. The guy's obviously intoxicated. It might've been your group, but I thought that video was hilarious. Yeah, we get a lot of white people to get on their knees, because you got some white people. What the heck? You get some white people that are actually sorry for what their ancestors did. So we don't know. We don't make them. So we'll be out there teaching. And so as we're teaching, because it's in a public space, so anybody can hear what we're saying. And so it might catch the ear of this remorseful white guy or white woman. And they'll hear, well, I'm sorry. Like, okay, well, if you say you're sorry, and we'll read Isaiah, I think 49 and 23. And it says, they'll get on their knees and they'll kiss the boots. And they will get on their knees and they will actually kiss and say, I'm sorry for what my ancestors did. So that's the only way that a white person can apologize. Because you can go to our website and empty out your bank account. You can click the tithes and donations link and just donate. You can do that too. So, you know, because earlier, you know, I brought up the slavery thing. And I was like, no, no, no, I'm right there. Like, I think that's wrong. And you're like, yeah, like, I hear the sincerity. I didn't have to get on my knees and kiss your feet for me to go, hey, look, like, I think that's wrong. And I'm not saying that, like, me personally, like, when the brothers do it, it's good for the mental of black people, because black people look up to y'all. You know, I like sitting there. I like debating white people because black people look up to white people so much that if I can confound a white person, it means more. So on the street, if we can get a white person on their knees, when blacks and Latinos see it, they're like, damn, who is what type of power does he have to make this white, especially if it's a white woman, to make this white woman do it? Or make this white man do it? Me personally, I don't really need that. So, so, okay, I'm going somewhere with this. Okay. The image on your shirt is obviously a white Jesus, right? You don't believe he's white, you believe he's black, right? Okay, so if Jesus was black, and the Bible says that Jesus didn't come to be served, but to serve, right? Then why is it that you seek people who, again, like, I'm 22. I wasn't alive for slavery. I personally have absolutely nothing to do with it. I was born in 2003. Damn. And I have. What year were you born? 75. okay okay these things say damn like kevin hart and uh so so you know i'm bored in 2003 i have nothing to do i'm like man sincerely i think that's wrong that breaks god's heart i believe that according to the christian perspective it breaks god's heart that white people would rip pages out of the bible and manipulate the bible into keeping slaves enslaved right like i'm right there with you but the heart of god is to seek justice while also at the same time he quotes jesus himself quotes from hosea regardless in matthew 11 he says after he says to the pharisees when jesus is at matthew's house and he's having a dinner and the pharisees are like what he's basically like what is a guy like that doing with people like that and jesus says i've come to heal the sick for the health they don't need a doctor they did have sick have no need of a physician and then he says go and hear what this means go and figure out what this means i desire mercy and not sacrifice that's still only to israel though and this is the big question which i know this is the whole premise is who is israel so when it come when you when it comes to your eschatology on the end times are you guys pre-tribulation what do you mean by pre-tribulation um you know like um the like the three and a half years and stuff like that like the the that like there's going to be this sneaking uh like god's going to sneakily come back jesus is going to sneakily return and take take his bride up into the sky no i ain't i ain't read nothing where it's it's going to be sneaky um as far as the tribulation goes from the time that christ was unalived and resurrected that's been the tribulation and we've been waiting for his return since then so in uh thessalonians i believe paul says in the twinkling of an eye the unalived in christ will rise first and then those of us that are alive will get caught up to him and everybody will see even in revelations i think the 11th chapter when it talks about the two witnesses it says i beheld them being taken up in front of the enemies so everybody will see that so the tribulation is happening from that time up until now i mean we see like with the way that um that state of israel is going to war with everybody they got trump by the balls with the whole epstein so he can't even say no so he letting them get away with whatever it is they want and iran is not going away as easy we can see the third woe like in revelations it says It says two woes has passed, another woe is coming. So we know that the third woe is told by the third world's war. And so we can see that we're getting closer. And the closer we get to that, the closer we get to Christ's return. So that's how we look at it. When it comes to the judgment, Revelation 18 and 6 says reward unto her double in reference to Babylon, which we believe America is Babylon because that's the melting pot of every foul spirit. Now, you can be everything. You can be a man. You can be a woman. You can. I saw a video where a woman was a dog to a real dog came and bit the hell out. Oh, I did see that video. Yeah, I saw that. He was on the ground. And then a real dog must have been mad at the impersonation. And he started attacking her. So you can be everything that you want to be in this place called Babylon. Right. No. Okay. Absolutely. Wow. You know, the word devil just means deceiving John eight and 44 when Christ said, yeah, of your father, the devil, he wasn't talking to white people. He was talking to his fellow Israelites, the Pharisees, and saying who their daddy was, which was the Romans, who were the white people that he was working for. So when we say devil, it's not that a black person can't be a devil. But when you talk about the devil, like who quantifies deception, thievery, lust, envy, unaliving, that is the white man. I really want to talk about the Israel thing because I think that's important. Because that's y'all's whole deal is you guys are the true Israelites and Jesus came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel and all that other stuff. That is our deal. That's good. And really outside of like just y'all's theology. Theology of on who the Israelites are in the Christian realm. That's still a big deal because it deals with the end times from our perspectives. Right. Now, y'all believe that all of us are Israel, right? Like we're spiritual Israelite. Yeah. So the perspective and I don't know if I can necessarily speak for, I think I can speak strongly for everyone. But essentially my perspective of Israel, according to the Bible, is Old Testament Israel is a literal nation. And a literal people group and it's still that people group when Jesus is existing, he is speaking directly to the Israelites as a nation in the New Testament, because when Jesus entered into time and space in his physical body, he's limited his power in a sense to where he can't be in Austin, Texas and Israel at the same time. So he's speaking to the Israelites, but when we read Romans 9 through 11, and we can talk about, you know, being grafted into the tree, because I know you love talking about that. Cause I love that. I loved your conversation with God logic. If something is cut off and something new has been grafted into it, it says that that has been grafted in, has become, has been given the right to become the children of Abraham. And who are the children of Abraham? They would be Israel. And so now Israel goes from being a literal people group or sorry, a literal nation to a people group. Whereas like I would say, if I'm a believer in Jesus Christ and my black friend is a believer in Jesus Christ, we're both Israel. Or we, we receive salvation. That ain't in the Bible though. In Romans 9 through 11. In Romans, I would, if I was you, I would never read Romans the ninth chapter. If you want that to be Israel, because when you read Romans 9 and four says, who are Israelites to whom pertain the adoption. So now the Israelites get the adoption and the promises only. And it says, whose, um, whose fathers we are and of whom concerning Christ came. And so then it says, if you're the children of God. If you're the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise accounted for the seed. So in Romans 9 and four, Paul says the children of Israel, the children of the promise. So if he says only the children of the promise accounted for the seed, then only Israelites are the seed. So when, when the book of revelation talks about how there will be every nation, tribe and tongue represented in heaven, Israel is one nation. Actually, prophetically, when you go to Genesis, uh, 35, when, uh, God told Jacob that he will become a company of nations. We can go to Genesis 40. I think it's 40 could be 42 when Ephraim was prophesied to be a company of nations. When Sarah and Genesis, uh, 18, when she was told she would be a mother of nations. So in Genesis, which means the beginning, it's a prophecy of what the children of Israel would become. So children of Israel being scattered into those. Other nations would become those nations. And so that's why I'm revelation seven, when it talks about us coming out of those nations, that's why I'm saying that. So like I'm called a so-called black person, but really I'm an Israelite from the tribe of Judah. So he's going to gather all the blacks in America. Then he's going to gather the Latinos in America, but then he's going to go to Africa and he's going to gather the Israelites out of Angola, Botswana, Mozambique. Then he's going to go gather the Israelites out of Sydney, Australia. Then he's going to go to China and gather the Israelites. Now those Israelites that are in those lands will be called Angolians or Sydneyans or Chinese. So that's what the revelations seven and nine is talking about. Revelations five and nine is talking about, because again, if the children of the promise are only Israelites, you can only, he can only be talking about Israelites throughout the book. So my wife is one eighth Mexican. What's her dad? Well, this is wild. So I'm, I'm dropping some crazy lore right now, but her mom had, uh, her parents, her dad served in Vietnam. So when he went off to Vietnam, my wife's mom's mom had had an affair and got pregnant from a Mexican golfer. So she is half Mexican. Her Maddie's mom is half Mexican. That made Maddie an eighth Mexican. But what is her dad? Maddie's dad? White. She's white. Even though she has ethnicity and a part of her ethnicity is an eighth. But that's on her mother's side. If you would have told me that story and said your wife's father's, uh, half Mexican or something like that, then maybe. Because biblically speaking, you are what your father is. Even in science, you are what your father is. What is DNA though? DNA is a mixture of the mommy and the dad. The, the chromosome, the 23 chromosomes. Yes. But you know, a woman is XX. Like her ovary is XX. A man is XY. So we determine the gender. We determine the ethnicity because our sperm, because we're men, our sperm is already male or female identified by us. A woman just receives that sperm. That's why even that look, it looked like a little tadpole with the brain and the spine that attaches, you know, the, um, the, uh, placenta comes from a man. It don't even come from a woman. All of that comes from us because we, we make up what the child is. So, although you get the same amount of chromosomes, 23 from both sides, the, the part of the DNA that determines who you are ethnically comes from your father. That's why even when a mother, when a woman. goes for you ever do them uh ancestry i've yet to do mine so when when you do an ancestry test when a woman goes and get it she can't get her full paternal side because she doesn't carry the y chromosome whereas a male he's going to get the paternal side and the maternal side from both sides so if like we always say like bob molly is a white man he's not black really yeah because bob molly's father is white wow like bob molly looks like his father in blackface like his his nose excuse me his eyes his nose his little lips what do you guys think about like people with down syndrome or people with autism or you know people with disabilities people born without limbs or things like that some of that could be judgment some of that could just be um defects that are passed down genetically so you know there's some you know like you could read in john 91 you could be born blind from a judgment from the lord some of it just could just be genetics some of it could be from inbreeding from you know brother and sister sleeping with each other or uncle and you know that type of stuff that takes place so it just depends on you know that's why important to see your tree like you should do a genetics test sometimes before you have a kid to see if you have that type of um thing in your history like i have a daughter that has down syndrome and my her mother's side of the has that um she just didn't think that it would occur to our kid but that just it just so happens like that are you married yeah i have a couple of wives a couple of wives yeah how many wives do you have the internet says 47 so i'm gonna go with 47 dude i have so many questions for you because i just like i'm so fascinated by the israelite theology and i just think yeah i just think i got so many questions i try to answer as many i don't know how long you're gonna have me here but however long you have me here i try to answer as many uh i don't say how many wives i have specifically because uh people have been trying to pin that down for so long so 47 is just a good number all right can i can i ask you this is it greater than 47 or less no it's less than it's way less okay way way way okay way less than i'm not my insanity can only go so far okay yes i you know it's not it's not even double digits okay so it's not even that high no it's not what's the i just get him to say the number he's like i don't want anyone to know i'm like okay it's less than 10 okay that's good enough okay so um yeah i've dude i've got so many questions but you know what's crazy about the wife thing though most people say a man can't have more than one wife but two men can get married think about that i don't i don't agree with no i'm not saying no no i'm not saying you agree i'm talking about society i'm not talking about you personally so in society even though the bible says a man can have more than one woman even though christ likened the kingdom of heaven to one man marrying 10 women that is still frowned upon but two men can marry you can marry one two women can marry you can marry your dog you can do all of that so why can't why can't why can't um a human being marry both jesus and the world if you can have more than one wife right so like so going on like jesus would be considered the bridegroom that's the metaphor i gave um that's when he when he's the and that metaphor matthew the 25th chapter he's the groom and then the women it's 10 women that got to keep their candles lit yeah the five the five virgins with the yeah yeah and so he ends up marrying five women that's a whole metaphor though it's a whole parable why would he use something that you can't do as a kingdom of heaven well because according to the galilean wedding like the bridal party for a woman would be 10 so that that that perspective of 10 did you say cap i said that's cat what how like he's not making it it ain't one woman he getting married to and this is the the uh the grooms excuse me his bride the bride with the bridesmaids this ain't the bridesmaids these are all women he gonna marry no no that is a dude okay all right i'm not gonna like go back and forth with you on this because i'm just gonna i'm gonna keep moving for the sake of the story okay let's start with the story but um if so if jesus is the bridegroom and his bride would be considered believers right or according to you guys israelites but let's just use believers it's fine you can why can't why can't a believer both be married to jesus and because it wasn't given to non-israelites it wasn't given to a chinese or japanese you know it's unlawful to even marry chinese and japanese you know moab and emin like what do you mean unlawful are you talking about like in deuteronomy 23 you can't marry a moabite or an eminite they can't even come in the congregation dude you you guys are i don't even know what to think because i'm just like hearing the craziest stuff right now i don't even know what to say that's what deuteronomy 23 and 7 say because you know they're the children of incest sorry this is has nothing to do with what you just said it just came into my mind right what what do you think is going to happen to me on judgment day uh you'll probably be a servant okay well you won't get destroyed you're gonna bow down you look like when it comes down to get down or lay down you're gonna bow down and say no i want to live i don't want to die i don't even know so isaiah 60th chapter no i know what you mean by that i'm just like i don't even know how to i don't i don't even know how to respond to it so you're gonna have the option live or unalive so what happens to okay don't take me what happens to the white man on judgment day a lot of them are gonna be unalive because because they're gonna try to fight like right now you see how they unleashed they they released all them um the ufo files you know what you know why that is because they know that they're going to be unalive because they're going to be unalive because they're like back in the 80s ronald reagan gave a ufo speech and he said i wonder if we would put our differences aside if there was something that came from another realm and he's not talking to us he's talking about the other powers on the planet the russia the italy all those people that had weapons so when they released them files they want you to believe that these are ufos that these are aliens so that when christ returns what would the earth believe this is independence day we have to fight him and so the white man and the other angels or powers are going to try to fight christ so a lot of them gonna get destroyed through that you know the lake of fire will be america burning because because when i went up when i talked to the israelites in hollywood boulevard he told me i was going to get whipped 39 times and then after the 40th time he was going to do it all over again did you piss him off or something no i literally i was like i was like what the heck he was like read this white boy his judgment and then that's right that's right and then he flips the bible and then he's like uh you've read something he's like you're gonna get whipped 39 times boy and then the 40th time he got a number in mind i'm like dude what the heck yeah i can't say what type of whipping i could say the bible says reward her double as she rewarded unto you but you'll be like isaiah 60 it says the nation that will not serve shall perish so when we round all y'all up you got the option to serve hey what you want to do here you want to serve or what you want to do round all of us up it's crazy like jeremiah 16 says i will send for many fish and they were fishermen so we're in fishing season you ever seen uh bugs bunny like what season is it rabbit season duck season so right now we're in the fishing season what the heck does that mean so fishing is like when you go out teaching so you know we don't advocate violence we don't advocate violence you're saying my fishing season okay you're gonna be a fisher man you're gonna go teach so we don't want to be a fisher man you're gonna be a fisherman you're gonna be a fisherman i don't want no harm to come to nobody you have the right to defend yourself and but then there'll come a time when we'll hunt men that's what that's what the bible says and what does that mean exactly what it sounds like we're gonna hunt and round you up that last one the funniest thing to me is like as you're saying that the your guy right here she's like nodding in the background like yeah and i'm like dude what is going on i'm like ryan reynolds here for mint mobile with your summer price forecast unfortunately we're seeing rising costs across the country with possibility that big wireless hates you 100 now over here at mint mobile we're seeing sunny skies and dropping prices every plan to just 15 a month give it a try at mintmobile.com switch upfront payment of 45 for three months 90 for six months or 180 for 12 month plan required 15 per month equivalent taxes and fees extra new customer offer for initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy see terms because that's what the bite was saying jeremiah 51 to 20 says israel is my battle axe with it while i break in pieces the nations so would you agree that every prophecy in the bible has to be fulfilled right yeah so then israel has to break in pieces the nations y'all are so interesting man i gotta yeah i just gotta clarify i think this is i'm picking your brain and asking these questions because you're doing a good job normally normally when i get into conversation or when i've i've only ever tried attempted debates and every time i do the debates on the street it's like the microphone they give me somehow a significantly less lower yeah and i'm like you can't really hear yeah yeah i want you to be heard and then uh yeah thank you thank you and uh so i'm mainly asking questions because i really want to understand what y'all believe and i want people to be able to hear it i i obviously disagree i know you know that right right um and your audience knows that yeah and i think your audience knows that you have to let when and i've done this before when you interview people if you debate them too much you're going to miss out on all the questions yeah so you have to let me say all my crazy stuff so let me ask you this you mentioned earlier i think i've been pretty good too that you've been really awesome language i you know because i'm on this good christian channel so hey i really you know i i am i i don't i don't have any uh what do you call it like uh pre-perceived notions about people like i never make an assumption about people right first corinthians everyone quotes like uh you know love is patient love is kind but it says love hopes all things so like you know i want to hope the best and i never make a preconceived notion but i've really enjoyed hanging with you um you mentioned earlier that you grew up christian right when my grandfather was a pastor when did you become an israelite when i was 32 is when um i started 31 32 something like that is when i started uh getting exposed to um being israelites and you know i was a pastor and i was a pastor and i started getting exposed to um being israelites and um finding out um more about the bible prior to that um i had kind of gave up being called the word christian because of the whole christmas thing one of the pastors the church my mother was going to um started losing faith in that but i always would follow the bible i was almost a muslim when malcolm x movie came out and um he did this here and was controlling him that was some powerful stuff right there but because the bible said uh false prophets would come i always looked at muhammad as a false prophet police be upon him i always have to make sure i say that because he's a pedophile he's a pdf you know muhammad was a pdf he was with the underage girl and what's crazy is they whenever i battle muslims on that like arab muslims not black muslims because there's a difference the arab muslims fight to defend that that's okay yeah it's interesting and yeah you just pull up uh uh what is sari al-bukhari 51 that hadith and you're just like it says it right here and then they all say something different some of them say um sheik utman uh-huh and um they kind of i don't want to say trick me but the the debate was i thought it was so it was like is the bible the word of god so i thought we was going to have a back and forth where i could attack the quran and attack the bible but it was more so i had to just only defend the bible okay so i said how am i going to get to talk about muhammad being a pdf and so i worked it in when he tried to track it and i was like i'm not going to ask the bible i said yeah like the quran you know muhammad is a pdf please be upon him he should be on epstein island and so that allowed us to actually have the conversation and they really try to defend in it and he was like and then i found out that that wasn't aisha's uh first courtship oh i didn't know that yeah so aisha's first courtship was to another man before muhammad came but she's six you know what type of nasty work that is and then they try to say sarah not sarah rebecca was um Was three or something like that, which is not in the Bible. It was some commentary that some guy does afterwards. And it was. You know about the dolls thing about like the girls with the women playing with the dolls in Islam. So it says that like if it was shameful, if like a woman played with dolls. So if it references a girl playing with dolls, that means she's a minor. And they're like best. They're like leading theologian of Islam theology in the commentary book. He points it out. And it's like, yeah, she's playing with dolls. She's really a minor. Like in there, I'll send it to you. But it was interesting. That's crazy. And so I wouldn't call myself a Christian. So I would just call myself a follower of Christ. And then when I started finding out I was an Israelite, I couldn't turn the light off. Like once that light came on, I started getting a way better understanding of the text and the Bible, the spirit of the Lord, what I should do. And so I just, you know, just started following that. Do you think you could be wrong? Nope. Is that not pride? No, it's not pride. That's my belief in the most high. When the Bible says, here's what I stand on. So, you know, it's not pride and Romans, the third chapter says, let God be true in every man, a liar. So if anybody was to ever show me something in the Bible that could show what I believe is not true, I would have no choice but to follow it. So in the book of Acts, Paul. Paul, he was in Athens and then he goes to the Aeropagus in the book of Acts. I think it's Acts chapter 18. And he. Kind of talks about how all of these people, they have a shadow of God. And I think it's interesting. I think every religion has a shadow of God, every doctrine, a shadow. That doesn't mean it's the truth, but there can be like a bit of something in there, like morality, for example. Like a Muslim prays a lot more than some Christians do. They give a lot more than some Christians. Yeah, but I'm just saying in general, right? Muslims pray in general a lot more than some Christians do. They give a lot more than some Christians do. So there's like some aspects of morality scratch the God part, just morality that I'm like, OK, there's a shadow of God in there or there's a shadow of here. But it's like who has the fullness of God? We don't have a shadow. We got the light. Like when Christ said, let your light shine, we is not in no shadow. We let that light shine. See, we would say Christians would say we have the light. And Mormons, Latter-day Saints would say that they have the light. Yeah, but y'all celebrating Christmas and Easter and all of that, you're putting yourself right back up. Do you do Thanksgiving? Hell no. What about St. Patrick's Day? Hell no. No holidays? Nope, nope. Only holidays. New Year's. Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, like the holidays that God told us to celebrate. That's what I said. New Year's, no New Year's. How can you have a New Year in the dead of winter? Think about that. Like, ooh, New Year. Yeah, how are you? Nothing? Nope. Dang. No Valentine's Day? So you're telling me if I invited you over for Thanksgiving, you would say no? I'd be like, no, I'm good. Just because of the holiday or because I'm white? I wouldn't say because you was white because you invited me for this interview and I came. Yeah, true, true. But because of the holiday, I would be disrespecting my Native Indian brothers. How could we celebrate the slaughter of, like, your holiday comes at the expense of the people that you say God loves. Do God loves Native? Do God love Native Indians? Yeah. So why celebrate a holiday that's about the bloodshed of Native Indians? I get what you're saying. I guess you, would you celebrate National Donut Day? No. I don't know when that is, but that's not, that wouldn't be a pagan holiday. Like when I mentioned Juneteenth, Juneteenth is not a pagan holiday. Cinco de Mayo is not a pagan holiday. Oh, you do Cinco de Mayo? I've never celebrated it. I've never celebrated Juneteenth. I never even really heard of Juneteenth until I became an Israelite. But the Haitian, in January, on New Year's, Haitians celebrate their independence. So I don't look at those as pagan holidays. That's why when you brought up Fourth of July, I said that's not a pagan holiday, but it is a holiday. It's pagan for black, right, for us. I see what you're saying. From a moral standpoint. So from a moral standpoint, Thanksgiving is unlawful. Well, Thanksgiving is unlawful because it's about the bloodshed of the Israelites. Cinco de Mayo is so fun. Because you go to the Mexican restaurant, they got like the colorful chips, you know, so it's like green. You know what's crazy about that? Why do people celebrate Cinco de Mayo and support ICE at the same time? That's diabolical. So tell me a little bit about, I got a couple other questions that we'll get to in a minute. I just kind of want to understand a little bit. I don't know a lot about politics. Like if you named, you were talking. They were so nice. If I could sidebar, they were so nice. I just want to highlight. They bought me some Jordans. They got me some chocolate chip cookies. Because he asked me. And you got the famous Amos. Listen, the famous Amos chocolate chip cookies, them is good. You know, I broke my diet because, you know, I kind of, I'm a semi-health nut. So I do work out, go to the gym. Yeah, you're a big guy. Yeah, yeah. Six, five, 250. Dang. Yeah. You know, I played D-line my freshman year of high school. You played D-line, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I was literally the slant tackle on defense. At this size? I was way smaller. I was like 5'10", maybe 115 pounds. And then the guy at center was 6'3", 280. The guy next to me. And you were good? Was you good? I got like, I played, I started on JV. And then I got one bit of playing time on varsity because we were up really high in a game. And I got on the return team, receiving team, on special teams. And I got blind. Not the Reese's, just the gingerbread. I got blindsided by this really big dude. Heard it really bad. You didn't play no more, did you? Not in varsity. But that was all. That was also the only year. I wrestled. So I wrestled for seven years. Okay, so the wrestling, because you have weight classes. But when you say D-line, I think of more bulkier. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like, I should have not been playing D-line. I should have maybe been. Your coach didn't like you. Maybe. Yeah, maybe not. But, you know, it's cool. Your coach, was you an a-hole or something like that? No, I was actually pretty much, I grew up in the South. So I'm from Georgia. And so, I don't know. I was raised with manners. I always tried to be respectful. Yeah, and he didn't like you. The coach didn't like you. They said, put him on a D-line. That's okay, you know. It was fun. I like it. I like action, you know. So even if I was getting hurt, I was glad that I was at least, you know, getting some sort of action on the playing field, you know. Because sometimes, like, you know, if you play safety or corner, you know, lovely positions. Yeah, those are good positions. But sometimes, if they're running the ball, you can't do anything, you know. Whereas, like, it doesn't matter if they're passing or running. you're hitting every time. And I always had fun with that but um but i liked wrestling because you can't blame the loss on anyone but yourself you know what i mean that's one to one so i did i did like that i did like that dang well thanks for coming on i appreciate you man i appreciate you having me on man hey thank you cap the white man's hand and everything look at that man