🎉 A Familiar Face Crashes The Bash (Unethical?!)

- Thursday, noon, Eastern, it is time for the best ball bash. We are back here to draft with you guys. The YouTube members, the chat is gated exclusively for you. Put the hashtag join the bash in the chat. In a few minutes, it'll spin the wheel. If your name comes up, you hop on stream. We draft a team, I pay for it. We split the winnings. It is that easy. Let's do it. Welcome to the best ball bash. We are thrown apart. One of you guys in the chat will be hopping on stream to drag them, we will split the $2 million prize. We are in the 2020 Honda Civic. I think we got a lot come up. You're gonna be able to get us. Jalen know the fall by staring them down in the eye right now. It's exactly what I'm trying to do for you. Welcome up. That's my kind of guy. I am going to need a howl from you. Hopefully none of my neighbors mine. Oh, this is going to be my life, this is so much fun. All right, how are we doing today, everybody? I mentioned it with the title, a tough bash to follow, but we will try our best. If you guys missed it last week, it was a good one. It was a real good one. We had fantasy pill kick us off, the hipster from Brooklyn with the cool hat, and then we had little Trev, who is suited to the max. He said, I've watched that clip multiple times out. Let's hit the fundamentals, deep scroll, open the box. I mean, what an incredible performance there from little Trev, and then of course teagard coming on from the medical supply company. With his dad nearby in his office, chirping at him. One of those shows that reminds you why we do this. So getting the screen share ready, here to go, it looks like 19 entries. Now that I'm all settled, let me check in here on the chat. We always got give a daddy a spike, we got Kyle, is this Kyle from the deposit kingdom discord? Welcome. We got Jake. Who? James Martin. Crutches is ready. Everybody's in the mix. Unfortunately, teagard, you are in a two week penalty bin for already being on the show. You got to take a breather here. What's up? KTJ44. You guys, it does not matter which membership level you are at. Now if you are best ball value hound members, you get access to the after dark shows, and you're getting extra bang for your buck this week because I am having on all three of the shows, so you think you can tell finalists, we did Alex Cups last Saturday, we did Tony Squares last night, and then tomorrow night, we will have PPR Tyler wrapping that up. So take advantage of that with your membership. Otherwise, any level gets you past the red velvet rope into the bash chat here. Groovy Greg says was doing some family stuff yesterday and misrandomized our after dark. So I binged it this morning, great content yesterday, Pete and the tauts. Yes. We did have all three guests on back to back to back randomizer streams season seven kicked off. We debuted a new little app to help us with the show as well. You know, some quirks and bugs to work out, but very fun show with those three guys there. We got Willis in the mix today. Look at that. How do we upgrade our membership? I believe it's sometimes difficult to do on mobile from what I hear on desktop. It's pretty easy to do. You can DM me in the discord if you need some troubleshooting, but we got 22 entries. I say we let this rip. Look at this. T guard might not be able to be on, but his dad, Iron City Pounder is certainly eligible. Let's see who is in the mix here with us today, Neptune Reds. Neptune Reds, I do not recognize this username. I don't even know if I recognize this avatar here. Unbelievable. Let's see here, Neptune Reds. Let's try to have a more seamless, you know, hand off of me getting you the link. It was quite the journey last week with T guard. I mean, it was certainly worth the wait, but I would like to get this ripping. Thank you Willis for filling me in. That's Rocket League. You got to help these boomers out with some of these things. Neptune Reds sent the DM on discord. I see you. Look at this. Look at this. All right, link is over to Neptune's there. I see we share five mutual servers, deposit kingdom, legendary upside, underdog, one week season and draft kings. That seems like our kind of dude. That seems like our kind of dude right there. All right, let's get this going. I'll get a draft board up. We'll get Neptune Reds. And we will be off to the races. Oops. What was it? I'm logged out there. Let's see. Who do we got here? There he is. Neptune Reds. Welcome to the show. Can you hear me? Oh, yeah, I had my mic muted, sorry about that. You're all good. You're all good, man. Welcome to the bash. I can't say I recognize your username. Are you new around here? No, total lurker been falling for like five years. Best probably like two or three or something like that. I was just reading off our mutual servers on Discord. It seems like you are the quintessential, you know, DFS bro, best ball bro. Do I have that correct? Uh, DFS is kind of more like fun, you know, I'm entering like the penny lobby is like the $1 single entries, but yeah, total best ball bro got like 300 teams so far this year. So low entries though. Okay. All right. Well, on that note, we'll go to know you here in a second, but why don't you tell us what you would like to draft here today? I'd love to do a BBM. I definitely don't get many of those so let's do it. Let's do it. All right, we are in a BBM here. It looks like seven more. If you guys want this to be friends and family, do you want me to call you Neptune Reds or do you have a, a government, you can call me John. Yeah. John's fine. All right. We'll go with John. John at the ticker and say, you have that Neptune Reds. It looks like you have. So people are filling me in in the chat that your user or your profile pictures or reference to rocket league, uh, explain that to me like I, uh, I would say like I'm five, but in this case, like I'm 45, like, like the game or why I have it as my pick both, uh, I mean, I'm kind of familiar with rocket league, but yeah, tell me why it's your pick. Yeah. Uh, I used to play it like I kind of like no life for a while. I was on like a competitive team for like, uh, like a year or so, like semi amateur. We had like a couple good runs. My, my like claim to fame on the game is I beat like seven pros who went on to win the world championship in it, like really early on, uh, but I'm like a nobody, but so it's just like a profile pick on YouTube, you know what I mean? So were you really early to it? And then yeah, it's got super competitive and people just rapidly got there. They're, they're so good now. It's, it's like not even funny. It's like they're crazy. I can't, I can't keep up, but yeah, what, what is it? Is it just it's young guns? It's dexterity. What like makes a great video gamer in this case? Yeah. It's, it's honestly, uh, rocket league is like very unique in the sense. It's like the game people argue that it has the hardest skill ceiling, right? It's like the hardest game to master and you're terrible at it when you're new, um, like for instance, and like normal, like, like a call of duty game. Anybody can shoot anybody, right? If he's not looking your way, even if you've never played the game, you, you can shoot somebody, you know what I mean? But, uh, rocket league, you've seen, you might have heard some challenges with like guys like Jinksy 99 to zero, first to 100 and he gives them a 99 goal lead and they almost lose. Like it's kind of crazy. That is crazy. All right. I'm curious to learn more about this world, but we are about to be on the clock at one nine. We will see what big dog does here before us on the board. J T C D Lam Jefferson, J T goes, let's go a little, uh, let's go a little ash and genty. Shout out, Rambus. Wow. Oh, dude, the legend of Rambus just continuing, uh, on and on. So you're a Rambus fan. I take it. Uh, yeah. Yeah. And I, I just don't, I don't love CD and in JJ, honestly this year, but they're, uh, they're probably like, JJ will be my lowest own guy in the first round. I think two years in a row, uh, just, just not loving Minnesota from there. And that's like my, my secondary team too. So hard to fade too. Who? Okay. First of all, what, what is this Davis Maddick level, uh, phrase of a secondary team and what is the primary team? So my, my dad's from Minnesota, but, uh, born and raised in Florida. So I love, I'm, I'm fan of the dolphins. Um, I'm sorry. Yeah, me too. But, uh, no, what do you need a secondary team if the primary team is the dolphins? Right. Right. I mean, nothing, nothing. The secondary has been much help. I, I, I'd love to scoop up, uh, sake one. If he falls to us, otherwise, uh, let's get some H and mine as well, right? Okay. Let's do it. with my combos with Gentie, the only guy I've paired him with up here is Bauer. So let's get our first Gentie A-chan start here. Yeah, give us the boots on the ground, the Homer take. You know, everybody, myself included, we're afraid about this offense. the wheels coming off, Malik Willis, you know, failing. What's the bull case here? - I just think that there's no competition in the backfield behind. And we saw, right, we saw Ollie Gordon try like, it's just, there's no one else. Maybe, maybe we don't love him for the playoff weeks. He's always been a no show for week 17, but I just think there's just no way this guy. You know, we're gonna get to week three and he's gonna be projected second on the slate for like the rest of the season. It's just, it's just comedy to have him at like, this far down the board, I think. I'm not gonna be overweight on him, but I just, I just love his value at this pick. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I have a hard time, you know, parsing him between Henry and Brown, but I'm with you, I think, you know, and I think the market is too, like he's clearly part of this tier. And he offers something that, you know, a guy like Henry doesn't wear, he's gonna catch passes. I think you can argue, he's still probably the best bet for explosive plays, you know, of this grouping. And so, yeah, I don't wanna be too underweight, A-chan. What are your other big stands so far this year across your 300 drafts? - My most drafted player right now is Trey Tucker, honestly. I am in on Vegas a little bit, I'm trying to not go crazy on the bower's share 'cause it is just so easy to click him in the second round anywhere. But the, you know, Clint Kubiak, I just, I'm the full believer in it, I guess. And Trey Tucker, I believe he had, didn't he have like a 40 point game last year? - I believe I recall that, yes. - And it's just, you know, who's he competing with routes for? I, someone's gotta eat and I think it'll be Trey. - You're not worried about Jack Bash, brother? - No, no, no. Hey, maybe two years ago. - We start a gente and A-chan here with Neptune, reds about to pick at 39. We do have a bit of a McBride fall, we'll see if Big Dog scoops that up. Otherwise, you got Higgins, Lad, Allen, Travis, A-chan, Javante Williams neighbors, who catches your eye here. - I'll just go Trey. If you follow us to us, no Trey. I see, I don't know how much you have, let's go Javante. - Yeah, all right, let's do it here. Javante, yeah, I'm hanging around it like 9%. - Oh, okay. - You know, about even there. So do you like these, I notice you're in the legendary upside server? We just started. - I'm not a, not a, I don't have the sidekick, nothing like that, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm just saying, I'm tall, cheapo, I, I ain't paying for nothing, man. I, you know, I do have some kind of thing, but it's like a free setup. So it's just like, you know what I mean? I think I was using one of the ones you shouted at a couple of years ago. I think it was like Michael Dubner or something. He had like a good free Google spreadsheet that I'd been using for a couple of years. That was like really nice to be able to like, look at my exposures a little bit, rather than just like the underdog way. - Yeah. What a, you said you don't pay for anything, were you gifted a YouTube membership? - Okay, no, okay, I pay for, yeah, I pay for your YouTube thing. Yeah, you got me. - I got him, I got him. All right, there we go. All right, we start Gentie H&N and Javante. We will see if Alan continues to slide here. Otherwise, you're to the neighbors, Wilson, Jacob, Skatebo, Ranch. - Imagine setting your makeup. Then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Mavily New York. Jaldamist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new groupie setting mist from Mavily New York. - Maybe it's Mavily. - Okay, uh, tough, tough. Let's, let's go neighbors, let's go neighbors. We're gonna need to catch up at Wild Receiver going three RVs like this. Let's take a high upside swing at this guy. - We also get the Javante neighbors week 17. Yeah, I do not have a ton of neighbors. I don't mind grabbing a share here at 4.4. I think the knock on neighbors right now, and it's so funny, Levitan literally just tweeted something out. - Oh no. - It says as a result, all eyes will be on neighbors who is expected to avoid the physically unable to perform less. But that was the point I was just gonna bring up that I thought he was more of a lock for the pup. Everyone knows it's gonna get counted, double counted when he does end up on that, can you get cheaper neighbors? But this report here, if he doesn't open on pup, the market will double count it in the other way and it'll probably shoot right back up to the middle of the third. One thing that I feel like I should have learned this a while ago, years ago, watching all the BGIs, but it really hit when the Rossi rice thing, nothing's ever counted, nothing's ever baked in. And then that, like, it was just hilarious to me, and that's how I'm doing it. I have tried to pump the brakes on neighbors, like you were just saying, 'cause thinking like I could get 'em later on, but if that's the most recent news, like you're informed me, I didn't even know that. Well, let's see if he rises here. - Yeah, I mean, it's like, there's something, I would love to see the diagnostics on like when big news happens or whatever, how many people interact and put that player in their queue of just like, oh, Rossi rice is out of jail, Rossi rice is able to get rehab in jail. It's like, I have to get Rossi rice. It does not matter. - It's a surprise. - The news is good, I must get him on my team. - Yeah. - All right, so we have Genti, we have H&J Vante, and we add neighbors right as some positive news. Hits the timeline. We will see what we're looking at here. At five, nine, Swift, Judkins, Tutin, Tutin does go here. He's been in the news of late. And then you got that wall of wide receivers, DJ Moore, Watson, Tate, Rome, Brian Thomas. - I'd love to go one of the receivers here. Let's, okay, cool, let's go Watson. - Yep. I like Watson a good bit here as well. We're actually talking about him on ship chasing yesterday. The packers, wide receivers as a whole, can these guys be big hits, small misses? Where are you at on Christian Watson? - Yeah, I was a huge fan of him, his rookie year. I remember drafting him a ton and feeling like an idiot the first half of the year, right? I think he was like, I think it was like week one or week two, we had that primetime game where he absolutely burns the corner. He's wide open and he just drops the ball and they bench him for the next eight weeks. And then I think he ends his rookie season, going like three games and like five touchdowns, just something ridiculous. And I was like a fan since then. I've been off of them with all the injury news. Let's go Rome if he falls. Or DJ Moore, let's just take top ADP. We need some receivers. - All right, so you as a callback to Little Trev last week. Top two names, top two names, that's all we need right there. See what he goes more. So yeah, I wanted Rome anyway, it's cool. - I talked to me about Rome. He's another one of those ambiguous, you know, pass catcher rooms. - Yeah, I do think it's more likely to be burden or lovelin as like the superstar if there is a superstar there. But I feel like we've seen it all the time that the two's, the three is in this in high powered off fences, hold a ton of value. Like it's not, it can't be a burden, lovelin, 20 point week, every week. Even if Rome in the worst case, he's not as good. I still think he's hitting our line up constantly. Like he, you know, even in a bad year. - Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting one there for sure. And I do think the kind of like push pole of how it shakes out with, with burden is really interesting where one of those guys, you know, either burden delivers and I think Rome is probably slightly overpriced or if burden is the one who's kind of really overvalued, you can certainly see Rome maybe being more deserving of like a four or five turn price around here, around Javanta and stuff. But I think that's where it comes to me with both of these guys of like, can they be massive hits or is it really just kind of a small hit type of situation? - All right, we have Gentie, A. Chan, Javanta, neighbors, Watson, Rome. Do you start thinking through some of the quarterback dynamics here? Do you normally play at patient? Do you like to lock up those stacks? - Yeah, I do try to play at patient. I feel like I've just been on a terrible run this year of just getting my QB sniped though. So like, like I don't know what it is. But so we'll definitely see, like, I'm not even can I was in a fast puppy like an hour ago. Jackson Dart, I think, fell to 120, the 10, the 10 that we turn. And knowing me, we have a neighbor's team, this guy's going before pick 100. Like that would be, that's like what it feels like in my head this year. Speaking of players that just run off the board, Alec Pierce, so he's actually, I'd love to get your take on him. He's been like my biggest failure this year. I just don't see it. Could you actually give me a-- a bowl case for it after we make this big. - I love this, you're turning this on me. This is like the tout twist for so you think you can count or you want me to argue the other side of it. And I can certainly do that. Let's see here, at seven nine, we have the three running backs, the three wide receivers. Dac is here, Tucker Kraft, Sutton, Reed, Lawrence, Harvey, Dauvin, Godwin. - Oh, let's go, let's go Sutton. - All right, sounds good. Cortland Sutton added to the squad. Yeah, I mean, so the bowl case for Alec Pierce was, he was very good last year, incredibly efficient on deep targets. We know how friendly those are for fantasy. It's kind of like the light version of what JSN was able to do where you get a lot of targets and you're efficient down the field. The splits with Daniel Jones and Phillip Rivers were drastically different. Phillip Rivers couldn't push the ball down field. We get back to Daniel Jones, hopefully healthy. And this team paid him a shit ton of money. He was like the first thing they took care of. They said you are the one who's gonna step up, fill that target void without Michael Pittman there. And there's no reason to think anyone else on the offense, maybe outside of Tyler Warren can really challenge him as the number one. Josh Downs is a good guy, he's a fine player, but he's gonna be a slot guy, a little bit of a point, full point PPR merchant. The engine of the offense is gonna run through Alec Pierce. - I don't know if I actually believe that. - Back on the clock, Chris Godwin, Jordan Addison, RJ Harvey, what are you gonna do here? - Let's, let's go Godwin. - Yeah, I like Godwin. So we have Gentie, H&N, Javonte, neighbors, Watson, Rome, Sutton, Godwin. Now you tell me why I'm wrong, why is Alec Pierce a fake? - So for me, it's like, you know, and not to like, you know, what do you call it, like box score stare, but you know, just looking through, I mean, where his numbers are like Jamison Williams-esque. And you know what I mean? It's just like, we're betting on this guy to come back from an injury, and to be as good as Jamison Williams on the Colts, it's just like, it's like tough for me to see. And I do think Tyler Warren is just gonna be the hog, and I don't know. It's just, I just don't like betting on guys to be hyper-efficient off of injuries. - Yeah, the injuries really, the big flying, I mean, it's surprising to me because I think even in a vacuum, I don't view him that differently than, you know, the Jordan Addison, the Jaden Reed. I think obviously you say, well, you know, he's gonna be out there in two wide receiver sets and the opportunity will be a bit more. But to your point, he really has to sun run big plays and, you know, deep down field stuff, unless they truly change his route tree. And they're kind of saying that they're like, we wanna involve him more over the middle of the field. But man, I feel like a lot of times when you have a guy who's entire strength, the reason and Gretches talked about this on his podcast recently as well. It's like what he brings to an NFL team from that perspective is so valuable as the field stretcher, like those guys are hard to come by. But I think we might be over indexing on the money paid to him to do real life NFL things and thinking that actually translates to a really different usage or route tree in practice. And then you layer on the injury and it's just like, eh, I'll let someone else deal with that. - All right, here you go. Can we get your boy Jackson Dart at 105? - I won't say it, you know what I mean? But you already know it. Yeah, let's do it. Let's just, let's, we need a QB. Let's stack them up. Here we go. - Yeah. And I'm light on Dart. I just noticed only 2.6%. So this is a good spot to add him here stacked up with neighbors. I mean, worst case scenario we could have gotten next with Sutton too, but nice. - I was just gonna sad. I didn't even notice it. But honestly, we got three stacks, three stack QBs right here at ADP. I mean, I'm not gonna say Shirley, they don't all go. - You never know. It is the year of getting sniped. So there goes one. The Waddle Draftor makes sense though. And they're gonna be there. - Yeah, of course. Yep. All right, let's see if we can get it back here. We have one quarterback, three running backs, five wide receivers and Christian Watson. We lose Jordan Love. So that's just how it goes, right? - Yep. - So the question is, is do you pull up Baker here? I think six spots ahead we probably should. - I would feel good about it if you're down. - Oh yeah. Yeah, I mean-- - Let's do it. - I like Golden, I'm fine with Gainwell and Mason, but on a team where we have Gentie, H and Javonte, I'm not as worried there. I say we lock up the quarterback. - Yeah. - And then with Dart and Mayfield, we also have later tight ends. Have you been a likely bro? - I'm a real like, I'm either drafting the top tight end on the year 'cause I think he's gonna break the slate or every tight end to me is the exact same. So I'm just gonna click him after pick 150 and I get like three of them in a build. - Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I forget what was I doing? Oh, we were drafting with Liam on the swole cast and I finally got a likely share. I think I'm extremely light there, but this might be the team. This might be the team where it makes sense. Here's what we got so far. Jackson Dart and Baker Mayfield at quarterback, Gentie, H and Javonte at running back. Neighbors, Christian Watson, Rome, Portland, Sutton, Chris, Godwin at Wide Receiver. So I think with the neighbors, even if he is limited to start the year with Watson, Rome, Sutton, Godwin, we kinda backfilled nicely there. I think we're gonna get sick. Yeah, I've been finding myself liking a lot of like three, four, eight, three builds more than usual. It's not like my top and my portfolio are anywhere near, but it's just like, it's been like a build. I just find myself really comfortable in where I get three just like dog running backs that are gonna hit my flex more weeks than not. A fourth guy, you know, Taja Spears S kind of guy where I feel like they're gonna have some weeks maybe filling some buys and that's about it. But it's just been a kind of a fun build for me to do. Yeah, I dig it. Three picks away here and in a couple of minutes, we will do another hashtag to see who's gonna come on here after John. We do have the 2,3,5,0. A huge Travis Kelsi will not huge, I guess seven spots, but Kelsi falls, you also have Bill. I'd like to go a bill and just lock it up at 4 RV. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good. You know why I would say I had been skeptical of Bill. We talked it through on ship chasing yesterday though and it was one of our kind of takeaways of if there's one backfield this year where you have the same rule that you had with the 2023 dolphins where it's like, just walk away with one of those running backs. H&M, most are Wilson. Two of them ended up being giga smashes and one was a bus. It's probably the commanders this year. It's Rashad White, Bill and Kay Tron getting one of those guys. I do find the bill price a little tricky, but he falls back here and I think makes sense as a fourth running back. So now we'll see what we want to do at 12,4. This does look like a nice spot to grab a tight end if Concater Ferguson is here. What else are you seeing? I, this is where I'd like to go like a six receiver here. Any of the top three, I'd like you make this pick. - I've been trying to get some more Shaheed and that would give us, I doubt Darnold comes back, but it just gives us another kind of quarterback out if we'd like. Let's go ahead and do Shaheed. - So one thing, 'cause like you had asked me earlier on how I've been following you, like forever, the wide receiver avalanche and all of that, like receivers by, you know, round. One thing I've been trying to do, kind of like a call back to that is still hit like a six wide receiver mark before this like maybe Travis Hunter is the last guy considering that tier where I had six receivers before Hunter. And even if they're not early picks, I feel like I'm not behind on receiver at all still. - Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I think I would have grabbed the King Cade there just because I think King Cade is kind of, you know, the end of an upside tier at Titan and then when you kind of get to the Gatson strange Henry, I think just the upside is maybe a little bit more limited. But that said, I think you can make a similar case for some of the wide receivers. And a lot of the rhetoric on Shaheed right now is incredibly positive. I think at the very least, he's gonna be a preseason riser. Like if Seattle continues on, it's similar to how the Colts have been with Josh Downs, where it's like, he's got to step up or plan him in two wide receiver sets. I mean, they're saying a lot of the same things about Shaheed that the Colts were saying about Alec Pierce of like, no, no, no, no, we are gonna make him more of a focal point. So just from a CLV perspective, I don't mind grabbing him here past ADP. - Yeah, it's, it's funny that that was the guy you chose 'cause that was, that's been the guy I've been clicking there most of all to him and him and digs the most 'cause what you just said rising CLV, the second dig signs, man, he's going pick like 107, 110, you know what I mean, like, it's too easy. - All right, we are gonna run the next drawing to see who comes on after the tune reds. That's right, we're gonna use hashtag rocket to stay on theme here for our Rocket League Lovin. Guess get those rocket hashtags in and we will spin in a couple of rounds. This draft is now ripping along. Bretton Strange, do you want Johnson, if we want to go with a tie-end? - I'd be cool with Joanne, unless you think Strange is a much better bet. - I'm, I'm really, coming around on Jawan, I mean, I was talking with Pat the other day and I was also looking at some of Dwayne McFarlane's research for the biggest predictor for tight end production from the stats the previous year and it is just touch or receiving yards for tight end. Jawan Johnson was, I believe it was third in receiving yards last year for tight ends. I need to pull that up again but relative to his current ADP, he's a pretty big value there and so I've started to make him more of a priority in this range. Yeah, I'll add something to that right after this pig. I've been getting around on him too and it's kind of like his almost like the people around him. I think the online improve, the wide receivers, nobody's injury prone but, you know, Brucky coming off an injury. A lot of his misgames in the past, even if he doesn't have the let's go, let's go, I'd go Dalton Schultz over Sedic but I think I was listening last time you're a bit of a Sedic guy, you have a lot of jet stacks or is it maybe Geno's or Top QB, something like that? Let me, let me, with the, with the buzzer, let me talk you into Sedic here for a couple of reasons. One, we're probably going to end up with a three or four tight end build. Two, I think ideally we would have a third quarterback and so Sedic gives us a quarterback out. Also just the higher ADP, there are rooms where where Schultz falls a bit there and then on top of it, I just think when you do have the three to four tight ends and you like Johan Johnson, the Schultz, like those guys are going to give us a base level of points but if we have one dude who's maybe scoring like 20 points in a pod just because he's able to have the like Laporta rookie year, the fan and rookie year, it's probably Sedic. So I always kind of like injecting a little upside in the room. Yeah, but Johan Johnson, I just, I think I'm in on the Saints, they just, they just look good this year, they look set up, I feel like improvements from last year. I am, you know, I don't mean to say this after it because I think I'm a little wary of Geno this year that I'll be, I'll be honest, I'm getting like flashbacks from just one year ago. It's got so many skill or you know, not so many, just the two skill position guys that I feel like I just loved last year in a Bowers in Gen T and then it's like I feel like the situation is kind of similar where it's just a head coach that I don't love. I'm not actually, I don't actually know the OC in the jets right now, but I just, I just haven't, I haven't loved it, but I have started taking a lot of more Garrett Wilson recently to try to bring it up. Yeah, Frank Reich there with the jets. I mean, the thing I would say to that is the market is also incredibly skeptical like his 80s 184, you know, like he's like clearly below the Mendoza, the Bryce Youngs, even the Aaron Rogers. But if, you know, one of the things that I feel like we're always looking for is what is the underpriced offense where just the rising tide from the quarterback being even average could result in some league winning smashes and it has to be a chief offense. And so we're looking likely at the jets, we're looking at the Browns, we're looking at the Titans. And in the case of the Browns, we don't know who the fucking quarterback is. So that makes it tricky. And you know, Cam Ward's a little more expensive. And so the jets and you look at Cooper in Cedique. And if you look back and you're like, yeah, we've seen Gino do this in Seattle with other good weaponry and what if Cooper in Cedique or even just one of them is a hit along with Wilson and Hall. I don't think it would be that crazy to look back on this and be like, man, at those prices, there was so much room for upside. Well, we're about to be on the clock. I think if he's there, let's get some Greg dosage, little small Miami stack. Let's do it. I think that third tight end makes a ton of sense. We have H and like you mentioned. And I'm going to spin here. We have 22 injuries or injuries. 22. What a Freudian slip there. Graven dulcich. 22 injuries. Let's use going to hop on next year. Ness. Oh my goodness. My my fellow often on the clock. Badge bros streaming partner. Ness takes, shoot me a message. Ness. And we will get rolling here in a second. Gino does go. So here's the question. Are you comfortable with the two quarterback build here? Is there something you like to get funky with? Um, yeah, not definitely not at the next pick, but maybe if there's a quarterback there on our in our 17th or 18th round pick, we might go for it. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing you could do then like if you are trying to do that. Let's go. I was going to say let's go branch. Uh, but you're, I think what you were just alluding to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Judy branch. If you are going to make a, a pick there, talk to me about branch. I, I think I've clicked it once. You see here. 0% tell me about what you see with him other than he plays on Atlanta. Yeah, I was, I was just going to say, would the Tesla 20 picks ADP be worth it over a potential third QV stack? What do you think? Hmm. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things where I think it comes down to if you do have a lean on one of those spots, like if you're feeling good about Shadur, if you're feeling good about one of Pentax or two, like I'm fine pushing that lean. I mean, we're up to a 2473. We have two more picks. I mean, we are in good shape at all positions. Darden Mayfield, Gentie HN, Javante Bill, neighbors Watson, Rome, Sutton, Godwin, Shaheed branch, Johnson, Sadeek, Dolseach. You could talk me into adding a player at any of these positions and I don't think it'd be crazy. Yeah. Uh, let's, uh, I think my, you know, unless I should, should try to hide it, but I think my, my preferred thing would be, would definitely be QB in a build like this. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the only reason that I probably grab Gino and then kind of figure out third or fourth tight end after that. But it is a tough call because you even look at the board here, right? And we take Dolseach and then immediately Ferg Helm and Friar Moose come off the board. So you could make the argument that you get shut out there as well. But two more picks here in bed. People are scraping the bottom of the barrel for tight ends. The one hole just did Colby Parkinson in Evan Ingram. Yeah. I think I just saw like a funny, funny post about Ingram saying something like Adam Troutman right out snap from this dude. I was like, oh, that can't be real man. Like they, they got to be trolling. Dude, I just, you know, I, I think about a lot of these guys through the daily lens as well. And I just can't get out of my head playing the conference championship daily stuff. And like Evan Ingram would like still go undrafted with only like 14 or only four teams in the pool. Or whatever it is just like, what this is, this is brutal here. All right. Yeah, so the solver, you know, Darnell Mooney for the stack. And then it does like to a little bit there. Ted Hurst would be another stack up with a, with Baker. That's kind of intriguing to me. I say, let's just, let's just grab two of first. All right. My guess would be, I think there's a far greater chance to is there than Hurst or Mooney. If you're there, Hurst, let's go, Hurst, Hurst. Let's do it. Yeah. I mean, there's one key at once. You keep you going. And he doesn't have any Atlanta. I think, I think we're okay. Imagine setting your makeup. Meet new grippy setting mist from Maybelline New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all day comfy grip. Just plump, dewey hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Maybelline New York. Maybe it's Maybelline. Crutches says he'll he'll take a sprinkle of of Colby there. Yeah, Ingram is which is so funny because Evan Ingram, we were talking about undervalued offenses where they all break out. It was what it was the four years ago, I want to say, when Lawrence kind of broke out, it was the Christian curve. Evan Ingram, all of those guys smashed late and just thinking about how much Evan Ingram has fallen off from a guy we used to think of this really exciting tight end fantasy, you know, asset and times have changed for sure. All right, so yeah, it really comes down to if you like the Tua dark here or if you want to do another wide receiver or tight end. Yeah, let's let's go Tua and then could actually pull up the draft border real quick. I just want to like what would have been the 2v2 if we had gone Gino. It would have been Gino and Gino and Oton versus Tua and Dolsich. I guess that'll be the question for for this team in the 2s right at the end. Well, where would we have gotten yet? No, you're right. Yeah, we got Gino Oton. Yeah, and I think I I think I slightly prefer Gino Oton just because. Yeah. But I mean, if we're being honest with ourselves, you know, the chances of Gino starting week 17 versus the chances of Tua starting week 17, they're probably not that different. So here's the squad, here, we'll have Nez joining in a quick second. Shout out to John AKA Neptune Reds here. Also shout out to to Jake. I saw this in the chat earlier. He called our build early. He said 3, 4, 8, 3, and then Meg jumped in and said 3, 4, 8, 3. That is what we finished with here. Start Baker, 2, a Gentie Hange, a Vante Bill, neighbors Watson, Rome, Sutton, Godwin, Shaheed, and then double rookies there stacked up Branch and Hurst, John Johnson, Siddiq, Dulcich at tight end. What do you think? I'm loving it. I think this team is really good. Maybe we'd switch the Geno thing, but I'm a believer in 2. I know that it doesn't seem to be a case this year. A lot of people think it's going to be panics to an injury history, but I'll say this last thing before I go to it, has had a top 20 old line once in his career and led the league in passing yards. So let's see what happens. I completely didn't place your two of fandom back to your golf and stuff there. Now it all makes sense. I'd fund draft in there. I'll get this one labeled here with Neptune Reds, any parting shots here on your way out. No, just thanks for having me. This was a lot of fun. See you around Pete. Sounds good, man. We'll catch you later. Welcomeing to the stage. What did you say your name is? I go by Nes on on underdog. Yeah. How long have you been playing on the site? I've been on the site since like 2021. Yeah, yeah. I've been around for a little bit. I was playing in the bubble the first basketball mania. I was following you in chip chasing and started to do a whole bunch of zero running back. Wow. Now it's all out of vote. No one wants to do zero or be anymore. Now I'm keeping it alive. I'm stuck in the past. All right. What are we going to draft today? Nes takes. What would you, you know, how are you doing? So I know you got eliminator slows going. Do you want to get in a fast puppy? I don't know how many you're going to do with those. Yeah, sure. I mean, you're trying to save me money. That's so nice of you. I'm trying to get you shots on goal. That's right. This is 200K up top and I want to make sure that you have some bullets in here. Look at that. You know, there was a little controversy in the chat when Nes came on, you know, is it rigged? And then he gives back to the people who don't want to burn 25 on a BBM. He comes on and does a fast puppy. Look at you winning the chat back over here. Just just a man of the people doing doing nothing but but people pleasing today, honestly. Yes, speak it. So we got the one three. I mean, speak it of of people pleasing getting body. We got to show this. This is awesome. So Numi tweets out this thing earlier or yesterday, tomorrow, and it's a love. What is this even supposed to be? This second emoji? I don't even, I don't even know. I'm here. iOS. And I look at this photo and I recognize this photo and I see John and I see Nes and Numi. And it's from when we were in KC for the dog bowl last December, but couldn't help but know I was just brutally frame-mogged. Literally. I mean, cut out of the photo altogether. You know, I had to hit him with the what the fuck. I mean, am I going to look this bad in this photo? Can't make this up. You know, you can't be in here, man. You're not allowed. We try to shoot you out of the picture. Couldn't, couldn't get you away from us or all right, all right, go ahead. Let this guy in. Let this guy take a picture with us. Has this, what he's referencing? Has this been announced yet or not yet? We've been just like teasing it nonstop, but yeah, join the Badge Bros live stream today and draft draft a new contest with us. You know, use your imagination. You know, people can one can only guess what's going on here. Okay, so for rethinking exercise here, part one, who can Akua is going to be our pick of a Jamar chase. We're going to start slow and then then slowly ramp up the free. I was bracing for a buka there. Oh my god. Let's do skip the first two rounds. Let's get the first round. I'll do that on my own dime. No, this is all I can do. My impersonation of someone who sees you take Puka right there. Puka over chase. Did you see the bite mark, bro? What do you say to that? I don't know how it was anatomically possible to look like that. I've, you know, played it in my head just from just to conceptualize how that even happened. I mean, it just had the only thing I can think of is that it was just like a bite and pull or something. Yeah. It's one of those. I wonder if what would, I wonder what the leak would do if that was one that we had a video of of Puka biting someone. Because we know how much they react to videos. Yeah, you got to think that that would be, that would probably do it, right? That would, that would probably get him, get him on the suspension list. I mean, as long as it's, I mean, because like, especially because of how insane, like he had to get in there. But anyways, yeah, he'd, he'd be, but, but he does seem to have gotten his act together. I will say, you would think that would be a wake up call for him of being like, yeah, seeing the imprint of my teeth all over social media on someone's flesh is maybe a wake up call to behave better. He had a hell of a run of just being a dumbass. And I think he got it out of the system. And I think Nick, they, you know, slap them across the head. It was like, listen, man, you can have generational wealth if you just like, don't go on these streams and, and don't bite people. Oh, we're on the clock. Do you have your favorites London or Pickens? Pickens. Boom. Dude, you, like you, I want to say in previous years, you were a huge London guy. Pickens over London. This is a new nose. I know. I know. Got, got a free think a little bit here while I'm on the bash. I am still a London guy, but I feel much more confident in George Pickens this year than, you know, shout out to our previous guest here reminding everybody that two of once upon a time led the league in passing yards. I'm still, I'm still a little worried about how this offense works. What first year under new head coach, I've no idea what the quarterback situation is. And yeah, I'm on a Pickens kick right now. Rice, Devante, Breeze, McBride, Olave, Zero RB free thinker. Yeah, let's go scroll down. Yep. Oh, really. Olave, Higgins, Igbuka, lad. Let's go with Buka. Yeah, I do it. You are free thinking here. My mind is being expanded here. Puka, Pickens, Igbuka, are you trying to recreate our calm? Mama, Puka, Aunt Pickens, Mac, Igbuka. That sounds a lot better than the than the last time that we tried to do that. I, I really kind of watched that. All right, catching up with the chat here. PPR Tyler says, Nez getting his name drawn is the biggest rug pole since mine was drawn during hosting week on the bash. And if you follow the same trajectory, Nez, that means you are going to get brought back to the competition for the final three, sorry, PPR, sorry squares, sorry cups. The new winner, Nez takes of so you think you can tell we can finally do our own show, Pete, and get John out of here. I won the contest. Let's go show me how you crop those photos. I got another one to do here. He's just going to clot it out. Yeah. Go easy cards wants to know, Nez, if you could pick next dog bowl location this year, for people who don't know we did Miami the first year, then we had Dallas, and then we had Kansas City. Miami was nice. Dallas was raining. Casey was cold. How do you follow it up? You know, I think people want to do a very, you know, exotic location. I would take, I would take them over to my old stopping grounds. Let's do it in Pittsburgh. Let's go to Pittsburgh. We're playing football. Let's go where there's football weather. And let's, let's, let's be men. Let's be men about this. It's week seven. Nubian hope are like, there's a free token to draft a dog bowl team in your account. We can't fill this context. The whole logo is just a permany sandwich. Oh my goodness. That would, that would sell. It would, you know what? Honestly, though, like so much of the stuff we're doing at those events is inside. You don't want it to be frigid, but it's hard to find like even Miami, dude, like it wasn't like it was sunny and we were at the beach when we were in Miami. Like it was kind of overcast and colder at that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like the vibes of just being there was, was nice. Yeah. I remember it was, I was, I had some long sleeves on. All right. We have our Puka Pickens, a Buka star. Are we back flipping to Scatabo or saying true to the free thinking mission? No, this is where we go. Loveland. So we need, you know, if you're going to do, going to do zero RB, you got to win at every position. And Loveland is a great way to win I'm going to tie down this year. where do you, I know the guys on ship chasing were talking about it recently, maybe it was ADP chasing, but like, gun to your head, you can only have one on your most important team this year, McBride or Loveland. Loveland. Okay, so you're, yeah. Yeah, just way more confidence and if the, if the context is like my most important team, it's definitely Loveland. There you go, Montgomery, Adams, Jemos, Swift, all these running backs, DJ Moore. We want James and Williams, who was referred to in a, in an Instagram post by the Detroit Lions, by one of his teammates, I forget who it was, it might have been a soul. For, refer to him as the chosen one. Okay, that Jeno another, another good brand guy for you here as well, although I'm sorry to think like you've kind of entered Davis territory where you just have too many brand guys, like if every picture make I can associate with your brand is, is the brand all over the place. It is, we do need to concentrate a little bit and I think that if I was to boil the brand down and you know, and you can wipe away me being a JMO guy, a beach on guy from 2023, it's, it's, it's, it's like, certainly Keenan Allen, like that is, that is the brand this year. Okay, Keenan Allen, no matter what. You are that, yeah, because I would even say JMO of all of these guys on our team, JMO was one that you were always pound in the table four when every year objections didn't agree. Yeah, yeah, every, every single year, just been on him, Gretz explained it really, really well in his pod with the ETR guys, or just kind of highlighted how JMO still has this perception of being a one dimensional deep threat guy Boomer bust. When they actually are kind of taking him and using him a little bit more a lot like Tyree kill when Tyree kill was doing a lot of the short intermediate stuff and then yacking his way to a lot of yards, they are doing that a lot more with JMO where he just goes underneath. And they, you know, the, and then Aminraw is running across her and now the whole that side of the field is empty and then JMO gets a ball and he's just free to take it to the house. They are really utilizing him in a lot of different ways, which I think is just like so underappreciated for for a guy like JMO who I, I think just kind of gets a little bit of a bad rap as bad of a rap as one can get in the fifth round. The Bears in general are the lines are interesting in general right where I feel like as far as an offense, I think most people would agree is like what top six top seven at worse are they the most least talked about team as far as like right perspective. So it's like Aminraw, no discussion, JMO, no discussion, Laporta never any discussion golf it's just like if you haven't stacked like back on the clock here Caleb potentially with loveland we got Marvin Harrison what do you say yeah let's let's get Caleb here I don't I don't trust the. I don't trust the burden drafter and you can't trust a burden drafter those guys are they're shasty they are they are so I like I like Caleb with with loveland I do agree or I do think that the bears are slightly slightly expensive but that's mostly like a burden thing and a little bit of Caleb the Caleb stacks and you know I think they're it's not hard to close your eyes and imagine an ascension for Caleb Williams. Yeah what can I do the the bed it's like Luther Burton could be anything he could be Jamison Williams he could even be Jamison Williams and he goes ahead of Jamal. There you go yeah so we have placed our bets we also have that Chicago Detroit bring back there with Caleb Loveland Jamal bring back I mean that's like week 17 to you know a tee how to pull off that correlation. Do you like wide receivers here do we finally grab a running back now this is where we go remondre man this is this is definitely how we make this team feel 10 times better right now is by locking up some wide receiver one points especially early on who knows how things will fair as the season goes along with trevion and in remondre here but remondre clearly clearly is is the preference here. Yeah man I this is like this would be my ideal version of a zero RB team I think if I was doing it by myself I probably take one and over pick ends I probably take Devonte over a book but I love the Loveland pick love the Jamal pick love the Caleb pick and would have clicked the hell out of remondre right there where we we dominate the onesies we get that stack and then you get a running back who. I think is just objectively a value but is also going to give us early season production but it's not even like the tuba thing where it's like I don't know I think even if Hendo does have more of a role I don't think he's going to get fully eclipsed in the way some of these other backs could. Yeah yeah exactly but like you said just a lot of safety you know health with standing with with remondre and that this team is just going to be I think the Patriots you know hot take I think they're going to be really good the team going to the Super Bowl last year and made a ton of offensive upgrades probably more touchdowns to be had there I can't imagine everything is going to be passing touchdowns so there should be plenty of touchdowns to go around for everybody in this offense yeah. 8 10 is our next pick we have Caleb to love Lynn remondre our RB 1 Puka Pickens and Buka and JMO at wide receiver this is the best ball bash it is not rigged nez is a paying YouTube member just like everybody else and he gets his chance on here but you guys will get a chance because in a couple of rounds we will do another hashtag and spin for a third drafter what do you iron on the board at this point. I'm definitely looking at who the solver likes yeah this is this is the non guy here when no slam dunk this is this is how you prove the haters wrong man this is how you let people know you can do zero RB and here's and here's how you do it right here. Yeah and then to get the core again like I don't go out of my way to draft man on guy but a zero RB team with Caleb Williams I mean if there was ever a time to smash it it's right here. Yeah like I'm not worried about any like negative correlation there at all in fact I would I would be in this positive right if this offense is good we made big bets on it you know more touchdowns go around yeah I have no problem with this on a on a season long basis here and even the playoffs. Worthy Wilson Brooks dark fan and pit Stafford stacked up Jacobi yeah let's get Stafford yeah yeah I mean it's like I guess golf and Baker are there as well but Stafford with your first round pick. Makes a ton of sense yeah yeah with the Puka pick. And I know that you got you have to bake in regression first Stafford. But I still can't see this team not being elite you know I still feel so good about yeah about the Rams and in the passing attack of course. And the other thing I mean how many times have we seen it if you're like oh Baker and golf like surely they will be for me be there for me when I pick next 80 P 109 118. We pick at 118 like there's plenty of times both those guys come off the board by then definitely and just thinking ahead there's this this is still like a pretty good pocket of running backs. For our next two picks fingers crossed it is so yeah we'll do just just doing some forecasting here. Yeah and that is one of the things that you really can't get a feel for unless you do a ton of drafts and you kind of feel this tier at running back it's like okay. Rashad white would he make sense in a zero B build absolutely but if you do the 2v2 on like the Rashad white and then getting boxed out at quarterback versus Stafford and the options there it's not even really close that you want to just lock up the QB. Yeah yeah I had a question for you is there anybody you do a lot of drafts with a lot of people is there anybody that you've done close to like a 180 on opinion wise drafting on underdog. Well the most recent one just after our show yesterday I'm I'm rethinking you know I was saying like bill is the worst pick on the board and our conversation yesterday really made me kind of. Don't create. And because I feel like I was treating bill like he was priced at like pick 80 and not pick 120 in my head and I'm like you can't be the worst pick on the board there so that's a recent one. Let me see if I can think of another one as far as running backs here Jones bill C rod all three good options there let's go bill man. Alright let's do it where have you been at on bill and the kind of the commanders offense. I mean I take every single one of them I have the cage I have the most of K tron and the least of Rashad white but I do take them all I think they're all like very reasonable clicks I think they all have a chance to kind of do there. You kind of like Tampa Bay light in terms of the the point the sharing of points there but I think bill unquestionably has the highest ceiling I mean against all odds last year being a seventh round pick like injured injured ass team like still had a very very good season statistically I mean yeah. Okay Jones hanging here Higgins Shakir C rod you like Jones we're going Chris Rodriguez yeah I feel like that one's close tell me why C rod over Jones. I just think if you know if both their teams are at the goal line and they need to put the ball in somebody's stomach I think C rods getting the rock and I think Jordan Mason's probably getting the rock in Minnesota. I care about touchdowns here when I'm-- you know, especially when I'm drafting 0RB, but when I'm drafting running backs in this pocket too, like, I just want guys that I think can score touchdowns, man. You know, this is, there's what ceiling is left on Aaron Jones at this point in this career, I think is extremely questionable. And I'm making the bet that there is no ceiling on Aaron Jones this year. But what's the ceiling on Chris Rodriguez? Well, the commanders are good. And now he's, you know, David Montgomery on the Lions for the, for the Jags. What's Bill's, you know, or for the, or on the Jags out. And then what's Bill's ceiling? Yeah. And then Bill's ceiling as well, just being just an absolute, like almost like a James Cook to Josh Allen, you know, very, very, very, very high ceiling outcomes there. Wishful thinking. But those are the guys that I'm looking at when I'm building out these zero running back teams. Like, they have their own floors built in with, I think, ability to ascend if the situation arises. Also to circle back on the quarterback thing. Goff did go 113 Baker 114. So, Nez very sharp there to lock up Stafford. Then we do get the two running backs. And then we get kind of a cliff here after the 11th round. Honestly, the other guy I have, I don't know if I go quite 180. I still have my reservations about Keaton Mitchell, but it's been hard to ignore. Again, like, am I treating Keaton Mitchell like his price is 100 instead of, you know, often in the 130s, he does go 124 here. Let's look at what we want to do with this next pick 2441. So we have added four running backs. We're down to the like, Pacheco Spears territory. So we could swing back to wide receiver or tight end here. - Yeah, this is definitely an interesting range. I usually skip over these tight ends. - Yeah. - Let's grab, let's grab Pacheco. 'Cause we only have four running backs. And, you know, all we're doing is playing chicken with everybody else here. And hoping that Detroit doesn't bring it another running back. And I don't think they will. They were in Pacheco with a lot of like their promo this off season. They kind of are highlighting him quite a bit. I think that they actually do plan on him being the 80% David Montgomery role here. - Yeah, yeah. We were talking about that one often on the clock. I think like the handcuff thesis for him, I completely see. I guess it's just confusing to me why he is significantly, and by significantly we can quibble with does it matter at this range 142. But it's just weird to me that he goes two rounds ahead of Brian Robinson and Bigs B and guys that I think you're kind of getting a similar thing out of. But if we're, we were just talking about the Lions offense. I mean, we have Jamo. Let's get as much access to it here as we can. - Yeah, they're definitely a fair point. Like when you compare him to those other running backs and that same caliber. Yeah, there's probably no reason why he goes there. - Likely and Shig still here. I mean, likely we finally get a 16 pick slide on him, Shig, some wide receivers. - Let's go with Hunter Henry. - Okay, I thought you said Travis Hunter. I was like, he's gone but we do get Hunter Henry here. So we get another teammate pairing with Ramandra. - Yeah, little correlation there for whatever it's worth, but I'm just like, so in on Hunter Henry, man. He's been just very, very solid every year that he's been healthy and this is like the best offense he's ever been on right now. There could just be a ton of touchdowns available for Hunter Henry, man. He just, he doesn't really leave the field. He's been really solid. Like I'm kind of shocked that he doesn't go in this Ferg, like around Ferg and Concade honestly. Yeah, really it's a funny thing. I agree with you where there's like, there's this enthusiasm for Chica Conquo and it's basically like he's, you know, the starting tight end with Jane Daniels. And right now viewing him as like the de facto number two, realistically he's probably the number three when they bring in a veteran wide receiver. But isn't like Hunter Henry the same thesis. It's like I'm getting the starting tight end tethered to Drake May and in the sending offense. And I think you can argue that he's like just as much in the mix to be the third or second target depending on the situation with Dobbs. So like it is a very equal thing. He's just not the shiny new toy in the way Chica Conquo is. Yeah, exactly. Like for me, it's Henry all day. That's, I would love to have a little bit more Chig in this brand new role. But I think I'm going to be able to get Chig in like two weeks when the commander signed somebody. And it absolutely nukes Chig's ADP. Yeah, I have a redirect set up after this show, the name of the video is called the best fantasy football contest ever. What other tease do the people need to know here? That it's going to be the same size as last year which was much bigger than we could have ever asked for. It's going to be 30 second clocks. So if you are a multi table or you can easily do that. And I can promise you it's going to be a lot of fun. She's just running it back, running the damn ball as people like to say. Awesome. And you're not allowed to say the name of the contest. We're just still cryptic leading talk. Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, I'm not sure that I can say the name of the contest. I think that would-- No, kind. I think I'd get in trouble. I wouldn't. But I just had to commit to it at this point. Back out of the clock, Coleman falls. Bryce Young, if you want a third quarterback, we can take a little Jonah Coleman upside swing here. Yeah. This is coming off the tails of ship chasing yesterday, talking about this ambiguous backfield and how Coleman can wiggle his way in there, plus contingency upside. I think it's pretty exciting on a team where it makes sense. And maybe it doesn't make sense here. But hashtag BBB. If you want to come on, could it be Bestball Breakfast? Sure. Could be anything BBB. Could be the Bash, Bestball Bash, you're right. There's lots of BBBs around here. All right, about to pick out 15-3. What do you see in here? I think we are going to grab-- yeah, see, these wider sewers are just not doing it for me. They're just not doing it for me. I'm not seeing who I want to see here. So let's go a quarterback here just to see if there's anybody-- Right, see the smaller. Yeah, no, let's go running back. I think I'm just going to tell you to take Brian Robinson here. Yeah. Keep doing it here. Our seventh running back in a 0-RB build certainly makes sense. Yes, still only the four wide receivers, but you feel good about these four wide receivers up top Puka Pickens, Ibuka, JMO. I feel great about these wide receivers, honestly. With the seven running backs that we have, I think, given what we already have of weeks one through four projection-wise, I think we can cycle in maybe Flex-- one of those running backs. And then if the upside hits for a lot of those other guys, then you absolutely have Flex Options with the running backs that you have, like I said, if those upside hits. And then at that point, you only really need three of these wide receivers. We can flex one of them, we probably will, quite a bit, if these guys are doing their thing. But I think, why can't we, in an in-shot-out-gritty? This is something that I've been doing for a while. Why can't we make the fragile RB bet at wide receiver? Why not? What's wrong with it? Well, and especially when in this range-- I mean, I like Cooper. I like Hunter. But after that in this range here, I mean, I think you can argue that there's basically no difference between the Macmillan and Talkers of the World as a lot of the guys you can get around 17 and 18. And that's why I do think you have to be patient here with these builds and make sure that you are not just grabbing a pick because it fills the positional need that is making you uncomfortable. And you're actually setting yourself up to make the best version of the 0RB team. So we have the 2742, obviously, good at pretty much every position, except we need wide receiver depth. Is this where we finally dip back in and build out this room? Yeah, yeah, we can finally check out the wide receivers here. Because I think that there's a lot of fun options for teams where you start off with four heavy wide receivers. And you're like, well, you've got to draft somebody that has a chance to crack this line up and how does it work. Let's do, let's do tank Del. OK. He's running routes. He looks great. He's best friends with CJ Stroud. I'm looking for this. Did he run routes with Matthew Golden? Is that what Pat told me on ADP chasing? Yeah, that was hilarious. He's like, you want to look good running routes? Run routes next to Matthew Golden. That was hilarious. But yeah, I mean, guy that show that flashed some serious upside here, how is the wide receiver hitting the sign up? Well, it's tank Del. We're turning to form and any interest on the Antonio Williams dipperino here with Bill. They're signing somebody, man. He's going to be here like every draft soon. Can you type in K-E-E and get Keenan Allen? Can you-- There you go. --click draft on him. I got you, brother. Thank you. Where? What's your dream spot for him? Anywhere. (laughing) Not big as zero, yeah. Colts, 'cause that's the one that's most talked about, I feel like. - So Colts is like, the Colts is realistic. I think I'm like dreaming about Kansas City wanting to bring him in and dreaming about the Ravens wanting to bring him into, because the Ravens were linked to digs, but now digs is really looking at the commanders or that's the latest smoke. I think he ends up in Baltimore or commanders, that's digs, he's from that area. And those are the two biggest teams right now that are not a link to him. But I think Keenan Allen could easily go to one of those spots too, especially with the drama that digs has been in all lot's season. I'm just not worried about anywhere Keenan goes. Anywhere that he signs if slash when he does, he's going to rise, it's just inevitable. - Well, and I actually trust of him, I do think he is going to be one of the guys that triangulates, I think of the things that are most important to him and maybe this is wrong, but I think he wants a role. He's not going to go somewhere just to be a depth ad. And I think he wants to go to a team with a good quarterback, like is he going to go to die on the vine with the raiders or something even? I just feel like if he's going to go somewhere, it's going to be a fantasy-friendly situation for him. - Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, he's-- - Like, is he going to Miami? Is Keenan Allen, is he the type to go play in Miami? - I don't think so. - Yeah. - I don't, I'm with you. I think he just wants to be on a good football team. I don't know that he's necessarily ring chasing, but he's only signed with teams that he thought would be good the last two, the last two free agency periods. So, yeah, very, very excited to see where he ends up and hopefully soon, hopefully soon. Well, actually, I could use a little bit more discount. - You want to know how I know that Davis Maddick has been on vacation for a month. T Ferguson sliding potentially all the way back to us at pick 214 here. - No way. - For a favorite influencer, can't, can't, can't prop us up. - Can't prop up his 80-30 bar. They did. - Let's go. - There you go. - Yeah, let's do it, man. Like, I love, I love pushing the limits of zero RB here. And we did, I almost made you do five wide receivers, but six is good. - All right, I'm going to spin the wheel here to figure out who's going to hop on for our final draft today and then I'll recap this team with Nez. Who's it going to be? Oh, Max value. - That's cool. - Crutches with the slow roll. Crutches with the slow roll. But Max value, I believe that's Max Adam. Shoot me a DM buddy excited to draft with you. But let's give this zero RB fast puppy team. I just drafted with this up-and-coming streamer named Nez Takes. Let's see how we did here. Caleb Williams and Matthew Stafford. Seven running backs, Ramondre, Menanguy, Bill, Chris Rodriguez, Pacheco, Jonah Coleman, Brian Robinson. Six wide receivers, Puka, Pickens, Iguca, Javonte, Tankdel in Keenan Allen. Four wide receivers, a guy who didn't play last year and a guy who's not currently on a team. And then the tied-in room I love, Loveland Henry Ferguson. Can we pull this off Nez? Is this the fast puppy winner right here? - Absolutely, man. I love just building teams where it's like, hey, what if this team gets pretty lucky health wise? Because that's really a pretty key ingredient to every shipper. It's like, wow, this team was like really healthy. So like if your team is healthy, what's it looking like? And what do you give yourself outs for down the stretch? This team rocks, man. - It's fun, dude. It's fun. I think they're, yeah, I'm trying to think, maybe the Pacheco Pick, I was like a little antsy for getting like a hunter, Joanne Jennings, McMillan type there. But I think other than that, I love how this came out. - Yeah, I'm a huge fan, man, honestly. Just the four running backs that we got that we are counting on being able to put up points for us. I feel great about and then you have some strong didn't see plays. And Coleman has a lot of outs. These other guys really need injuries to their starters. But Coleman could just straight up play his way into the role. That's absolutely a possibility here. So really fun team. Yeah, I love it, man. - And I will say obviously two things immediately following this show here at 2 p.m. Eastern. You guys got to, oh, it looks like they got it scheduled for 2.15. But same deal. Make sure you guys go over there, watch the Batch Bros. new contest dropping. And if you can't figure out what it is now, I don't know if these people can be helped, Nes. - I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. You'll just have to wait and see. - I will also say too, Nes and I reference it a few times on this show. We did a really fun episode on ship chasing yesterday, looking specifically at these ambiguous rooms. We talked about the Denver running backs. We talked about the commanders running backs, a couple of these spots that we got into on the show today. Through the lens of can we find a lead winner out of these groupings or is it a situation where they might cannibalize each other? So fun combo on yesterday's ship chasing and also an incredible ADP chasing on Tuesday. - Evergreen. - Well, so good, so good. All right, Nes, good luck with the stream today. I'm excited to check it out and we'll catch you next time. - Thanks for letting me crash. Hope to see you guys again soon. - All right, peace. Okay, here we go, max Adam, can we get you, I was gonna say, let's get you in focus here, sir. - What's up? - All right, I want you to tell me why Mike Evans is the worst pick on the board. No, we're not gonna do it out twist here. We are gonna draft, Max, what would you like to draft today? Let's do a BVM, I'm always in the poor contests. - All right, let's do it. You know, Nes saved me some money, you know, getting the fast puppy so I can splurge for a BVM with my guy, Max, how you been, dude? - I'm good. Just enjoying the summer here in Massachusetts like yourself. And I've been getting in the streets a little more. I'm up to 120 drafts, but happy to do a BVM. - I went for a run right before this stream and I would be embarrassed to tell you my splits here. So we're not gonna talk, we're not gonna talk running, but it's been a nice summer around our parts here. - Yeah, I saw you the tracksmith on a week or two ago. - I love that brand man. I'm such a poser when I wear it, but I fucking love their stuff. - Oh, it's sweet, yeah. - They like, and they're catalogs too. It took me back to, you know, I did cross country like retreats in the summer. We'd go up in the mountains in Colorado, do these trail runs, jump in the lakes and stuff after. And their brand like perfectly encapsulates like high school or college cross country like camp vibe in a way that's very nostalgic for me. - Yeah. - All right, we got the 104. - We got the 1-4 max, so talk to me. What have you been liking to do in these drafts? What do you like at 1-4 here? You a receiver guy in this range? - Yeah, who got our jamar, whoever falls? How, what kind of volume are you getting down in drafts? - I've done 120 mostly puppies or like the equivalent on DK, I don't remember. Like half and half, three draft post draft. Yeah, let's do Puka. - All right, Puka, come on down. Back-to-back drafts, I gotta ask you the same question I asked Nez, aren't you worried about that bite, bro? You saw it, we all saw it. Doesn't, he should be going in the third round if he's out here biting people, right? - I mean, isn't that like, you know, the mark of a great receiver? You know, you had Antonio Brown, Randy Moss was Diva. Who got us to have a little craziness, you know? - Yes, exactly. And what's, you know, obviously you're on so you think you can tout there. I know you've been posting some tweets, you've been doing some guest appearances. What's the content been looking like for you recently? - So I was on a couple streams since getting eliminated, but mostly just making the Twitter threads. I did a video for Sleeper Dynasty, which was cool. They have a small YouTube channel, but then it got reposted on the main Sleeper page. So that was fun. But yeah, mostly just, you know, writing these crazy threads, so. - Yeah, is that where you, the lane you wanna be in? You wanna be a thread, a smart thread, bro? Is that, that could be a brand lane for you? - I don't know, I've been, I'm just doing stuff that's interesting to me right now. - Yeah. Yeah, the video stuff seems a little daunting. I've had to make some social media posts for my internship, and that's been, you know, a lot to get through. I appreciate Luz, so you think you can edit series. - Yeah, that's been awesome. If you guys have missed that, Luz has been posting some editing tips and using some of the footage from the show that he's been making shorts and stuff for there. What's your internship this summer? - I'm working for the main public health association. - Okay. - So a lot of work on data centers right now. - Wait, so you're living in Massachusetts working remote for Maine? Okay. - Yeah, you know, that's why I can be on the bash. It feels like I'm basically unemployed. (laughing) - There you go. All right, let's see what we're gonna do here. In the second round, we are drafting with Max Adam here on the bash. We started with Pukka Nakuwa. We'll see what TM Longacre does here. Brown Bauer's Nico Pickens love best available. - Stu Bauer. or Niko whoever gets back. Yeah, Bowers here. Sure, let's do Bowers. Let's do it. I was going to say, I do not have any Puka with Bowers. So that seems fun to me. Sweet. Puka Bowers, what are you, you said you've been in the lab with some of the threads? What are, what are some of your hot takes in the bestball market? You have some guys that you think people are completely overthinking or not excited about enough? I mean, my highest-exposed player is Christian Watson. I don't know if that's a feature of him being an amazing pick or just not liking the picks around him, but I'm 30%. 30%. That's a hefty sum for a fifth round pick. That means what? I assume like no DJ more, probably not very much Roma Dune's A, what, not much tape as well. No BT. Yeah, no BT, no tape. I take Tyson. Yeah. But yeah, I kind of disagree with the whole ship chasing stuff. I think he can be a big hit if he's getting routes, but let's just keep the picks frictionless. I don't need to argue on here. Oh, man, we love it. We can, I mean, it's kind of quibbling right of like small hit, big hit. It is hard to be that precise with it. Jeremiah Love, small, a Lava Kyron. Let's do Jeremiah Love. Yeah. I mean, Jeremiah Love at pick 28 to pair him with the best wide receiver and football on the best tight end and football. Seems like it could be good. Yeah. Pretty sweet. Go as he card says, Max, is this BBM, your severance check from getting fired from so you think you can tell? I mean, you made it on the bash with, was it Ohara? Was your host when you? No, no, it was cups. It was cups. It was cups. Okay. Yeah, there you go. I forgot about Oh, no, PPR was with Ohara. Yeah. I was so surprised. Like, that was, you know, I got the membership for the first time that day because I wanted to watch the bash with all the contestants. And then I got on with, you know, probably my best match of, you know, host to guests. So that was crazy. Oh, actually, no, I need to pull the cups on you. Recap the team so far for us, brother. All right. So at the 104, we went shock, got Puka, white Mark and all. And then we went Bowers, you know, the football revolve off from heaven. And then we got Jeremiah love in the third round. Pretty crazy to be getting that pedigree there. So good team. There we go. And look at you. I mean, I feel like one of the things everybody's always talking about equipment and stuff. It feels like you did invest in a mic. There you got the nice mic going. Oh, no, actually, I had a sugar daddy. Emo bought me this mic. Wow. Look it. He pulled the the rampus on you, you know, upgrading the the tech team there. Shout out Emo for the gift. Yeah. So I really appreciate that. I did not have the best setup when I was at school. So it's nice. You sound good. Jeremiah love Puka in Bowers. We are eight picks away. We are, does that put us? Let's see what what what spot were that would be early fifths. So that's probably two slightly too early for your guy, Christian Watson. Or do you pull him up that early as well? No, not usually definitely in range for my guy Mike Evans though. Yeah. Yeah, Evans Evans what, probably more pick 45 range than than 52. Yeah. So you like it seems like you appreciate these veterans, right? Proven proven production, long track record of of success. I mean, Watson has had, you know, his injury stuff, but you know, he definitely fits a guy who's proven it. Is that kind of your Emo as far as players you like to target? I just like dank stats pretty much, you know, I think, I think the progress. Is that a Scott Barrett? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I guess that is a Scott Barrett, like a proverb, but yeah, I just want to be getting efficient players. I don't know. I'll know that you're really a Scott Barrett acolyte. If you start talking about power law players though, that's how I really know. Oh, yeah, I try not to regurgitate all the platitudes, but here we go. All right, at four nine, we'll see what's available. Jacob, Skatebo, Terry, Burton, Montgomery, Adams, JMO. Unfortunately, your guy Mike Evans did go. Jacob's the fall or what do you think? Let's do Jacob's. That's fine. Jacob's is fine. No one's ever been excited to click him, but man, doing a little value dipperino here. I mean, Pooke and Bowers at ADP, but then love four picks past Jacob's four picks past five. Really, you want to give out a little howl for the crowd? A little voice crack. There you go, a little pre-pubescent wolf there. I love it. Let's see here. Who are your other big stands in the early rounds, along with Evans Watson, or I guess beyond that? I take a lot of JT just from him falling. I would never take Jefferson or CD over him, and he just falls so much that I just have a lot, probably unhealthy amount, but that's just like gone in my drafts. All right. It sounds like you have an appetite, though, for some big stands, like what, you're okay being 30 plus percent over on some of these guys? Yeah, that's my highest one. I don't have any crazy late round. Like, I don't have, you know, 50 percent of someone, but yeah, let's do swift if he gets here. Wow, burden with a pretty big fall, too. We can slurp if you want. I'm good with that. I want you to get your guy here. Okay, let's get swift. Let's get swift. Okay. I was just laughing because Traveoli, who I believe is in the chat, took your guy, Christian Watson ahead, but then you got the burden fall to 10. Investing in Chicago, none the less, talk to me about swift. Yeah, I mean, we got the Ben Johnson run scheme. We got the protector of the year, or was it was Jotuny? I don't remember. Good line, none the less. And down there, Swift has got the high value touch stuff. He's got the receiving, and he can be explosive, and I just really think common on guys of Jag, so. Yes. Yeah, I mean, he's a Jag, but a Jag who isn't seating any touches to a third running back in a in a top-offensive football, like that, that'll play. It'll play. That's true. I take some a non-guy for sure when I get screwed early. Yeah. Are you, is Bestball your favorite game? Are you more into Redraft Dynasty? I think I don't play Bestball optimally enough. I'm such a Redraft bro, where I just like, oh, I can't take this bad player because it makes your team more precise, like stacking, like wider secret threes that I think are terrible, like I just can't do that. So I don't think I'm playing Bestball optimally. So I guess I'm a Redraft bro. I would argue just like how you've talked about it, that, you know, when you do focus on the guys who have shown that they can produce, and you're not, you know, making, you know, too big of wish-casting leaps with your portfolio, that you end up having a high advance rate. I think the question is, is like, yeah, do you layer in enough of those things you need to do to have that that late season upside to actually win the tournaments? Yeah. It's like plays into this question of accuracy versus precision. Like I think I'm mostly about accuracy. Like I want to pick all the good players. But then also like, I'm, you know, I'm just raw-dogging drafts. I don't have all these tools. Like I can't memorize every bringback. So, you can. You're, you're, you're a young kid in college. You have all this room in your head for memorization. I mean, if there's someone who can memorize the week 17 bringbacks, it has to be a guy like Max Adam. I, I put myself up there, but that's a lot of work. Well, we're doing it here for us. We do have the Las Vegas Arizona week 17 with love in Brock Bowers, which is a nice one to have. And it looks like we have a wall of quarterbacks coming up here at six nine, nice Drake May, Jane Daniels, Baroque, LeBah Hertz, Marvin Harrison, Pollard lemon also on the board. What do you think? I'd love to get Daniels if he gets here. Yeah. Warren goes. We'll see what TM Longacre does. May not a bad consolation either. He goes Daniels. What do you want to do? Let's, let's do, let's do May. That's fine. It was funny. We were talking about this one. I don't know if it was, I think it was on often on the clock on Tuesday, where I'm in the same boat like any time in this range. I'm like taking Daniels when he's there. But I'm like, shouldn't we be viewing May pretty similarly as far as a quarterback that you can take naked. There's backstack options, ascending offense, expecting a leap with AJ Brown. Should we always be Daniels over May? I guess is my question. I think so. I mean, unless you have an AJ Brown team, I just think the dual threat stuff is unreachable for me. I mean, you know, he has the like semi dual threat stuff. But yeah. Yeah. I think you could, you could argue like you said, obviously AJ Brown, but even without it, I think the weaponry is probably slightly better. But yeah, I just think it's, yeah, I think it's closer than I've made it where I'm just always clicking Daniels there. But this is the spot when he's off the board. Yeah, that's easy. Yeah, Mark slides to 76. We already have Jeremiah love. You said you only want to take the good players. Is Marvin Harrison a good player? I mean, yeah, I think so. The Pergaut stats are pretty solid in the no Kyler and healthy Marv games. And then like obviously the profile in college is pretty elite. So I still have some hope. And I think he's priced to where, you know, you don't need to be that bullish on him to take him. Yeah. Yeah, this is like, I don't take him a lot in round six because I am taking, you know, Daniels or the quarterbacks there. But man, this seems like the spot fall into the seventh there. Like once Marvin Harrison is next, he's like sandwiched between QJ and Alec Pierce. I start to feel really good about there. Yeah, that's an easy click. And we've got the double cardinals add on to the bring back. So what, uh, what else are you doing with all your, your free time this summer, other than the internship and drafting? Um, I mean, I'm running a lot this week is 76 miles. And, um, it's pretty much it. Just fantasy running and internship. 76 miles. That'll, that'll chew up a good amount of time. Do you, uh, do you listen to music podcasts and stuff when you run or know? Um, yeah, I'll, most, mostly music, um, I listen to a couple NFL podcasts that's like aren't super fantasy focused. Um, and then if I can, like, I'll like tune into people's streams during, uh, while I'm running. But you're making a distinction that you won't listen to like fantasy advice podcasts while running. What, what's the, uh, what's the logic there? Because it sounds like you do listen to those podcasts. Yeah. Um, well, if I'm like in working on something in the background, I'll throw on a fantasy podcast. But it fits like the only thing that's like, you know, populating my free time. Sometimes I feel like I've gotten so deep in the weeds of like data and stuff that the podcast get redundant. And I don't know. I just like pertude myself from knowing too much ball. You're saying that people who stream about fantasy football year round when literally nothing is happening. And there's no information, new information might repeat themselves every now and again. Is that what you're saying? Oh, wait. That's fair for sure. I just tune into this dream is like, you know, a transactional thing. Like, you know, I show my good attendance. And so it's right, you know, I like that. All right. At eight nine here, we have Drake, Matt quarterback. We have love Jacob Swift at running back. I'm doing your job recap in this team. You will be on the hook later, though. Just Puka and Marvin Harrison at wide receiver Brock at tight end. Are we swinging back around to a wide receiver like Josh Downs here? Yeah. Yeah. They're on to the podium sprint to the podium. I'm running. I'm running. What's your what's your mile splits right now? What are you training for? Are you are you trying to optimize for what? Like 10 Ks or what? Yeah. I ran the 10 K in the spring. But, you know, Cross is just the 8K. So we're just doing a lot of base stuff. Like, you know, I don't know if you subscribe to like all the training theories, but it's like you want to start way far out from like race specific stuff and then work towards it. So it's like doing sprints or doing like really long slow, like LT1 stuff, like five by seven minutes or whatever. And then like narrowing down to race pace as the fall progresses. Nice. All right. Let's make this pick. And then we can talk some more running here. The wide receivers on the board, Peersaw, Pitman, Wilson, Jonathan Brooks. I don't see anything we'd have to do at quarterback. Do you like any of these wide receivers? I would do I would do Pitman probably. Yeah. I think that's a good pick for us here in this range with only three wide receivers through 99 picks. Get Pitman there as our wide receiver for. Yeah. I mean, I was thinking about Stafford, but both week 11 buys. And I feel like a third QB on a May Stafford team is gratuitous. Yeah. What about? Did you have a thought between Peersaw and Pitman? Or was that easy pitman for you? Yeah. I pitman's pick for us. I think it makes more sense with the room too. I just err with our team. I mean, yeah, just like having some solid guys that can fill the other wide receiver spots. Peersaw feels a little riskier. So do you with your training is this your cross country coach just giving you the program and you're doing it individually? Or do you end up doing some like meetups with your teammates? There's a lot of guys in Eastern Mass and they meet up often. There's like people talk about in the group chat planning, but I've just been alone the entire summer. And then it's yeah, it's just training alone. We have an app called Final Search. And then you just like loads in the training and you, you know, do whatever the run is and lift after whatever. And that's it. So do you, is it, um, is that for accountability or your coach actually needs to see your splits or what is that level with the app? Um, I mean, I think it's just the most efficient way to share information, but he can't legally check logs in the summer. It's like mandatory during the season, um, just to get a pulse on the team and just like widespread like data collection. If everyone is sore in their specific IT band or whatever, like maybe something in the training is inefficient and you need to change it to raise the health of the team. So like logging is good for that too. That's cool. It has that actually, but you know, born out where he's made tweaks based on like group feedback. Yeah. Yeah. We do front foot elevated splits squats now instead of something else. I don't remember because everyone was like had fucked solias as, geez. Well, that's cool to have that information. I mean, though, how much more sophisticated things are now, uh, than when I was running cross country in high school is crazy. Um, all right, here's the question. Do you eat the week 11 double buy if Stafford falls back to 117 or do you stay strong? Maybe stack up may with dobs? What do you think? I'm good with slurping or taking dobs. I like both. Um, let's, let's, yeah, let's take the value of Stafford. We can always do, uh, Rogers or Danny Dimes on this team, which are cheaper quarterbacks and also cover our buy there. Yeah. I think those are fine. Um, definitely not. Jacobi were said. I don't feel good about his chance of starting in week 11. Yeah. Yeah. Jacobi is, uh, is a tough one. And it seems like the rankings crew agree. I think ETR has about like something comical like 270 or basically undraftable. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's fair. You can, uh, you can get your Jacobi brisette exposure in the eliminator where the, uh, the playing at the beginning of the season can actually help you out. Uh, dobs does go. That would have been nice. Uh, concepsion Higgins, Aaron Jones, Bill, what do you think? Um, let's, let's do concepsion. I don't feel great about the water seeper room still. Yeah. I think pairing him with some target eaters like downs and pitman makes sense for this room. Although the buy week bros will come after us and say you somehow managed to find another week 11 buy to add here. Oh, yikes. Well, it's fine. Downsley over 40 in week 11. Man, that's the world I want to live in. Josh Downs dropping 40 points. Can you imagine? Yeah. I mean, he was awesome at UNC. It could happen. Are you, uh, are you a Patriots fan? No. I, I was born in Houston. I'm a Texans fan. I know I give like serious ganky, but, um, yeah, my parents both went to University of Houston and then my mom worked at the Baylor College Medicine. And I moved out of Texas in 2009 though. So, okay, no remnants of any accent or, you know, memories. So no memories of your time in the lot. I remember like I went to a water park or something. That's like the only, the stick memory I have from my first four years of life. Okay. Oh, I, I guess, okay. It was only for for some reason I was doing the math and I forgot how young you are. You said 2009. Uh, yeah. I, I, I, you were born in 2005. Oh, Christmas Eve of 04. Pretty much. She's so I, I was, uh, close to graduating high school when you were born. That's quite the fact for me today. Incredible. Yeah. Incredible. Max. Uh, all right. Recap this team so far for the audio listeners. It's your job. Do you want it on? All right. What are you or the team view? The team view is fine. At QB, we, um, we slurped some value. We've two week 11 buys, Drake May, Matthew Stafford. Then we went Jeremiah Love, Josh Jacobs, DeAndre Swift, three, four, five all in a row. And then we went Puka, huge gap took Marvin Harrison to value, then got my guy Josh Downs and then a little bit of, uh, both sides of the slapsists with Michael Pittman and KC. And then we only have bowers at tight end, but that is sufficient right now. For sure. All right. Coming up at pick 141 here. Interesting. If you want to try to push the dimes thing or lock that up, we obviously have the Rogers, uh, safety blanket as well. We have some intriguing options though. Shaheed Fallen, Keaton Mitchell, Hunter, Woody Marks, Omar Cooper. What do you think in here at 129? Shaheed or Keaton Mitchell is fine. Um, yeah, let's do Keaton Mitchell. Yeah, talk to me, uh, where does he fall on the, uh, only draft good player spectrum? I mean, I think he's pretty good, right? And R.Y.O.E. and, um, yards after contact and everything. And then I don't know. I mean, he's not the worst receiver either. I what, what the critical bet is, he gets volume. And we haven't seen that since ECU. Um, so I don't know. Maybe I'm just blind and slapping, but I think it's a fine pick. Like you said, in the earlier one, it's not like he's a pick 80. So yeah, and he went like 123 in that draft. We get him at 141 and then you pair him with a base of love. Jacob Swift seems like the right price for him there as we get our fourth running back. And then we'll be back around here at 13.4. So yeah, I think the big question will be if Dimes is here, do you pull the trigger or do you try to get another position and save it for Rodgers? Now, let's go Dimes. I have some heavy misgivings about Rodgers, but. Yeah, talk to me about that because that's like a huge thing of the confidence you have in guys like Rodgers or Gina, the ability to play 17 games. It sounds like you think there's maybe more of a tear break after Jones and Bryce Young than maybe the Rodgers people do. Oh, I don't even take Bryce Young. I don't know. I mean, I haven't looked at all the bestball math and stuff, but like. It just feels like they're gonna project for like 12 points or whatever like mid-season cam lord, like. I don't know. I mean, like they'll add points to your roster, but it just feels so gross clicking them. I don't know. Yeah, well, it seems like you have self-awareness about it. I understand how a third QB who plays 17 games and average 14 points a game could help you from a bestball perspective, but it doesn't make you excited to draft them. I think that's very fair. Yeah. Well, I do like getting dimes there though, and then the nice thing is being able to do it stacked up at a slight value as well. Pick 148, we get downs as a value. Kind of letting this draft come to us. Bowers gives us a ton of room for flexibility at tight end. And even the wide receivers only having three there with downs. I think Pittman and Concepcion are really nice four and five there. Yeah, this is a great team. Where do you think we're headed here with these last five picks? Definitely a couple wide receivers. Yeah, I'm good with going just to tight ends. I don't know. Maybe we could do Ferguson. I think Hunter Henry's already gone. Right. Yeah. He went two picks after. Yeah. Yeah, one of the Rams guys is fine. I don't know. We'll just see how the board comes. Yeah, I guess that's like the 2v2 where you're like, do you like Henry enough with May that you go Henry there. Let Daniel Jones come off the board and then you do Rogers at 165. So it's like Jones and I don't know. Not that we're sure going to take a time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I like, I like dimes there with with downs for sure. There's definitely more juice than there is with Rogers. Yeah. All right, let's see here at 14.9. Yeah, you can keep an eye on the tight ends. Joanne Johnson, Cedique and Schultz, Denzel Boston is sliding a bit. You got D bow. And then it really kind of flattens as far as a wide receiver tier. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, we already got one wide receiver on the ground. Let's take another one. Let's do it. But do you have another week 11 buy to the only issue there? No, Josh Downs is going for 40 forgot. You're right. You're right. We're fine. The week for tier week 11, our wide receivers, Marvin Harrison, Josh Downs, Michael Pittman, we do have Bowers. We have Love Swift, Mitchell and Daniel Jones. We can survive this. We got this. Yeah, this is fine. And the guy in the fire. Oh, this is fine. One moment ago, it was, I love this team. This team is good. And now we're like, no, the house is burning down. And it's, it's all fine. All right. Is this a tight in pick? Or you have a wide receiver who rises to the top for you? I mean, I do take a good amount of tra Harris, but I think either him or a tight end is fine. Yeah, looking at the run here, there is a chance back at 189 that we feel a little boxed out at tight end. But sure. Yeah, let's, let's go, uh, Dalton Shalts. That's fine. He's going to get routes. Okay. And I, I do think on this build, um, I don't think it would be bad if we did T Ferg has a third tight end here. Yeah, that's fine. But we'll, we'll see what, what comes back. But yeah, I mean, I think it was the second draft. There was a pretty big tight end run where someone was taking Colby Parkinson in Ingram in the 16th and 17th round. So I don't mind making sure we don't find ourselves in that spot. Yeah, definitely a comfortable pick with Dalton Shalts. That's like a big sidekick player, right? Yes. Yeah, they like that. Um, I was talking about it with just looking at the simple screener of, uh, tight ends who were top 10 in receiving yards last year. So Dalton Shalts, his stuff was like almost entirely yards driven, you know, if, if Shalts go the way the sausage gets made with the ADP, if Shalts scores what two or three more touchdowns, he's probably going two to three rounds higher. You just pay the touchdown tax. And so with guys like Johan Johnson and Shalts who had decent yardage last year, you're, you're getting a discount on them. And then you can kind of, you know, realize the upside if they do run a little bit better in the end zone. Yeah, the red zone variance was not kind to the Texans or the Saints. So that makes sense. Yeah, and it was like, you know, I forget who I was talking about this with, but it was like we did the same thing with a lava two years ago in that Saints offense where it's like you can't score touchdowns and then, you know, he has a huge spike in touchdowns. But one year and you're like, Oh, yeah, now we're back on board, you know, draft in the sky early again. Yeah. And we do get kind of the tight end run here. We take Shalts, Hawkins and goes, Helm goes, Barner goes, Dulcic goes. So I think we'll look back on that and feel good. As far as stacking stuff may Stafford, Daniel Jones, I guess what? It's like Kisham booty, Terrence Ferguson. That's about it. Maybe we could do a Jayden blu is a bring back for the Cowboys play the or no, what are the Cowboys play? Yeah, you got you got to memorize that they play the Giants brother. Oh, they they play week 15 the Rams. New England plays Denver. The Rams play Tampa Bay. So you could do like a Ted Hearst bring back and then Indiana does play Cleveland. So the dimes, downs, double Cleveland is pretty nice. Yeah, horseshoe duck foot, right? That's right. All right, at 16, 9, we are on deck here. Want me to look at some of these wide receivers? Oh, this is Wix, like you can sprint that into podium. Look at that. Talk to me about Wix. Oh, yeah, I mean, there's just some uncertainty about the deployment for Wix versus lemon. And just like what they're going to do. And I think that's like super not priced in and we actually have evidence of Wix being good player. Unlike most of the people getting drafted in this range. So I think he's a great pick. And I will say like the reporting on the Wix stuff continues to be good. Sounds like he's going to have a real role at the beginning of the year. And even if guys like lemon and stowers come on strong like he's still capable of a spike week late. We are back on the clock here. What position do you want to look at? Oh, can we look at running back? I feel like we need a fifth one. Let's just do have a Johnson shirt, take the solver. I don't like any of these things. Yeah, I, you know, this isn't that wasn't even solver. I don't, I don't have any ranks in right now. But yeah, I guess if we had talked it through like the her spring back. Firemuth is a third tight end. We did lose Ferguson. So that was a bit of a bummer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Firemuth probably would have been the pick. I panicked a little bit. No, I did too. I didn't give us enough time. That that pick came around fast. But I don't think it's bad to get a fifth running back there. I have been kind of blind or Emmett Johnson's been kind of blind to me. But you can certainly see scenarios where he has a good camp. We get some confidence that he's the RB two and then all of a sudden you have a pretty high value handcuff at that cost. Yeah, I agree. Kind of similar. I've been messing around with the Cardinals, RB three and four Connor and Benson in the round 18. And I just really have no read on like who's going to get cut. But like if you end up being the RB two on the bangles or lions, then you know, that's like a really, really good pick. But I feel like I mean, I see the Connor thesis for sure. I mean, it feels so bad for the chances Benson had and for him to not earn any trust or touches. At this point, it does feel like it's more jover than anything. But I'm with you on kicking the tires on on Connor. I mean, we don't have to do that now. I probably feel better about third tight end than a six running back just wanted to float that idea out there like am I crazy for doing this only my first year of really drafting best ball teams. I don't mind it. I mean, I feel like the Connor thing is honestly kind of like the keen and Alan play a little bit where you're just like I want to draft a guy who's good. And I think there are some outs, you know, like people have floated the lions, like if they brought him in and then you feel better about him is the RB two as opposed to Pacheco. But yeah, I guess it just gets thinner and thinner that that's going to happen the later we get. But let's figure this out here with our last pick three, five, seven, two, fire moose gone. So like the tight ends, get sick. He's here Parkinson. If you did want to do the stack. The solvers mentioning Eli raritan. K. Sean booty as well. If you think he's going to kick around with Drake May. What do you think? Yeah, let's do Parkinson. That seems fine. Yeah. Crutches was mentioning him in the first draft. Yeah, I don't know what to do with booty at this point either. Yeah, I hope he gets traded to the Raiders that I feel like that would make sense, but I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it's hard to see a place for him on the paths. Yeah, the only other guy I keep mentioning would be would be hers just a rookie another rookie here a bring back opposite the Rams in week 17. Yeah, it depends if you think eighth wide receiver a third tight end here. I think I prefer third. tight end. Sorry. I just have so much fault on first. I think you don't have to call it less for me, brother. All right. Sweet. Land the plane. I also have enough of her. Here. I'm just seeing here at 14.5%. Let's do, uh, let's do Parkinson here. Sweet. Good draft. All right. In the Alex cups, uh, since he paved the way, and I mean, there's only so many recaps I can do. This is on you. Max Adam. All right. Recap here at QB. We got Drake Bay, Matthew Stafford, and then we get Daniel Jones survived the week 11 Bipocalypse, hopefully, uh, at RP, Jeremiah Love, Josh Jacobs, DeAndre Swift, and then we got Keaton Mitchell and Emmett Johnson rounding it out. Pretty good room there. Puka, Marvin Harrison, Josh Downs going for 40 in week 11 with the Daniel Jones stack. That's great. Then we got Michael Pitman, and then both Browns, Wookie White receivers, Casey and Boston for the bring back in week 17. And then my favorite later on, White receiver and Don TV and Wix. And then we have Brock Bowers up top and then Dalton Schultz for some routes, maybe touchdown regression, and then Coli Parkinson to add on to the LA stack. I like it, man. We got a, we got a fun, a ton of fun correlation there as well. The Bowers Love is a classic one. Dimes opposite the Browns, Rookies makes a ton of sense. Uh, we even get, uh, what was our, what was our LAC one here? Oh, yeah, Keaton Mitchell and Emmett Johnson in week 17. There's well, I think the only thing that was a bummer was not to get like one piece with Drake May, you know, Dobbs or Henry would have been nice, but it just didn't really break our way. Yeah, Dobbs versus Stafford. It's close for me. All right, man, let the people know if they want to, uh, to get more of the Max Adam content, I'll pull up your, uh, your Twitter handle here. Max Adam FF. What else can they, uh, they do here? Oh, yeah, I mean, I, uh, pretty much have just on, I'm just posting on Twitter. Uh, you'll hear about it if I'm doing something off of Twitter. Oh, yeah, you see me hating on BTJ in that top tweet, but um, yeah, uh, follow me there. I guess if you want some crazy stats and going deep in the weeds, um, thanks for love that your, your profile picture is the, uh, the thumbnail from, so you think you can, I mean, out of all the eliminated contestants, you got to think I'm getting the most screen time, right? That, that videos popping up every time. So there you go, brother, uh, fun drafting with you, fun drafting with, uh, Nez here as well as our guy, John AKA Neptune Reds. I appreciate all of you guys. One thing, so couple programming stuff for the show, going forward, we will still do the bash, but the randomizer will be part of this block of streaming. So still got to book the guest for next week, but, uh, we'll do a couple bash drafts and then roll into the randomizer. And then I do have a Thursday in August where I'm traveling. So I might move the bash to Wednesday evening. I know some of you guys, hey, I work, I'm an adult, I have a job, I can't be hopping on the bash at, you know, noon eastern. We're going to flex one of these to the evening here. So some of you night owls can join. Uh, other than that, make sure you guys check out the after dark with PPR Tyler. That's tomorrow night at 8 p.m. Eastern. If you missed it last night was with Tony Squares. And then I'm going to be recording a show with Kendall Balanzeuela over at fantasy life. We do these drafting shows that drop on Friday. So keep an eye out for that as well. Otherwise, have a great rest of your weekend. And I will see you guys after dark Friday. And then for best ball breakfast on Monday, peace out.