A Dingbat Chat with Jessel Taank

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Guys, I just got back from a three-hour movie. Okay, I went to see You Can See Everything. I need to get used to that title because I've been calling it Everything Everywhere all at once. But no, You Can See Everything, it's that new Nathan Fielder documentary about Elizabeth Holmes, okay? And of course, you've all seen the teasers and the trailer, whatever, and it was enticing as fuck. Like, it made me want to go see it. And even when I saw that it was three hours, I was like, I'm going to go see it. I'm going to go see it. I'm going to It didn't scare me away. It was also a perfect rainy Friday, and I love going to see an 11 a.m. movie. So the movie was fucking incredible, you guys. It's like, you're like, how is this real? Also, I will give movie spoilers here because by the time this comes out, if you haven't seen it, you're going to see shit about it everywhere. So I'm just going to tell you some stuff. So if you don't want to hear this, skip this. But I'm telling you, first of all, it was amazing to with Amy and we were both like grasping at each other's legs. Like we were screaming, we were laughing, we were crying, we were cringing. Like it is that type of movie. Okay. And for three hours, which isn't easy to do if you're not like Martin Scorsese. And by the way, better than Martin Scorsese, let me fucking tell you. So the wildest twist about this was that Amanda Seyfried was brought in to the movie towards the end. Okay. And she played Elizabeth, Holmes in the dropout. So she gets brought in as like herself to like talk to Nathan about what he experiences is after Elizabeth is in prison. And she then reenacts for Nathan for this movie, certain scenes that they didn't get on camera, either that weren't filmed because he went to visit Elizabeth in the prison and he couldn't film that. And there was a conversation off camera. So Amanda's literally reenacting it for him. Okay. It's genius. Amanda also gets to meet Elizabeth's psychopath. Okay. If this movie looks bad for anyone, in my opinion, it's not Elizabeth. It's this psychopath. She's married to Billy, who seems to be like the most controlling person on the planet. But it is also the sort of movie where you don't know who's truthful. You don't know who to believe. And again, what's wild about this, it's a documentary, like it's real and you kind of fucking forget it. Nathan is a genius. I feel like he's going to win all the awards. And I will say that a part of the movie that was shocking was that this guy, Billy, that she's married to, okay, he is but by the end you hate him because he's fucking loony. Randomly, there is a full frontal scene of him showering like dick. Okay. In the frame, we were like, it was insane. So anyway, highly recommended. I can't wait to like talk to you all about it. I need to like talk about it more. Another thing I wanted to share with you is that I randomly went to see or like zoomed with a soul reader. I don't know if you guys have ever done that. I'm not a huge person like that. But I do it. And it was shocking, like the amount of shit she knew, like just numbers, like every number that she said related to somebody in my life. And I'm such an idiot because I'm telling my mom about this soul reading. Okay. And I'm like, yeah, like all the numbers made sense except for four. She's like, well, what did she say about four? And I was like, well, she said like this person has like a lot of trauma and it was like kind of negative. And then my mom's like, my birthday is August 4th. And I was like, oh my God, why didn't that connect for me? You guys, the mistake I make in my life, like I feel like 2026 is my learning year is my fuck up year. Like I'm not kidding. Like, and I really wouldn't have said this to my mom if I, if it, of course I know my mom's birthday, but for some reason when she said the number four, it didn't clock for me. I think I was thinking like, who do I know that was born in April? But she did say four could be the number of the, of the day or of the month. Right. Anyway, I, I recorded the zoom, so I'm going to listen back, but it was quite shocking how accurate she was. Like for example, at some point she said something like that. I have, she was like, yeah, like, because you have three kids. And I was like, no, I have two kids. And she was like, yeah, energetically you have three though. And I know a lot of you are going to be like, sounds like a scam, but like, it was so natural the way she said it. She was like, well, energetically you have three. And I was like, wait, I don't understand. Are you telling me to have three? She was like, no, you have your own free will, but like, that's the energy that I'm getting for you is of three. And that's not shocking that I'm giving off that energy seeing as I do think about it a lot, but there was that again, just a lot of dates that I will say that with this kind of thing, like the, for me personally, I think the shock factor of somebody knowing things without knowing you is wild. Like, and you're like, Ooh, Ah, you know, but then I'm like, what is it giving me? Like for me, I don't think it gave me anything to think about anything to move forward with change, improve. Do you know what I mean? Like maybe if you go with a specific issue, but I just went for shits and giggles, but I, yeah, I'm curious other people's experiences with it, aside from just like that wow factor. And also I will need to be calming my mom down and like reassuring her. This doesn't mean anything bad because I'm a fucking fuck up. Anyway, let's move on to today's episode. So my guest today, you might be shocked that she's my first guest from this season of this show, but she is making quite the stir this season. Some would say she's getting a villain edit. Some would say she's a fabulous. She would probably say she's fabulous. It's Jessel Tang from Real Housewives of New York. Okay. We're streaming live from New York City. After Jessel's shit on my studio. I, you know, I could have said much worse, but I didn't. Why? You don't like it? I love it. It is small. I love it. There is a bigger studio here, but I like that this one is more. I just did Shayna in that one. Shayna. Shayna. Shayna. Shayna. I do. I'm bad with last names. You seem to be bad. Like I'm, you give me a last name. Like I need some time to practice it. If it's not like an easy one, but you fuck up first name. I really fuck it up. And also my memory is so shit. Yeah. Like if I don't know someone and like, I'm, you know, you know, when you're like at parties and whatever, and people are like, oh, hi, so nice to see you again. I'm like, hi. And then the person next to me, like you're supposed to introduce them. Yeah. And I'm just like, you guys know each other? You guys should know each other. It's so awkward because you called Carol, Carolyn. Correct. And another name. No, I thought it was dark. And I thought she was the house manager coming down the steps. I was like, oh, is that Carrie? Her name was Carrie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there was that. Well, welcome Jessal. Hi, Amanda. You look great. That's why you look great. Oh, thank you. Okay. That's great news. We're doing the office pan. Yeah. This is also a good, I'm, I'm into, office pants a little bit. Me too. But I've changed. I need to go over my closet because I was trying on pants today. How are you feeling about high rise pants lately? I only do a high rise. You only do high rise? Yes. I've gotten, I'm getting the ick from high rise for me. Wait, why? I feel like I should be mid rise suddenly. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't like to. Is that a flag? No. Yeah, it is. I do high rise because I like want to. No, but I think that's like we were lied to our whole lives. That's what I think. That's what I, cause when you do high rise, then like sometimes they'll get that, like. The bump? Right. Yeah. If you do mid rise. Oh, it kind of sits on it. Oh yeah. I see where you're going with this. Do you get what I mean? No, and I'm telling you, this is a thing. Like I looked in my closet, everything is high rise and I'm like, are you tall? What are you? I'm five six. I'm five eight with heels. So yeah, you're like av. I'm average. You're average. A little bit above. I think five five four, but I think I grew to five five. What do you mean? No, I was with Noah, the doctor's appointment and I measure myself and it said five five. Damn. I know. What do you invite? I don't know. My feet kind of grew with the babies. Yeah. The feet are supposed to grow with the, when you have kids. Apparently like your feet grow. And they did. I didn't know either. I'm making it up right now. Look at that. But we were talking about boobs before we started. Correct. We said, you maybe want to do a reduction. Yes. Even though it doesn't look like you're a big boob girl right now. I, cause I cover them. Okay. I think I'm, cause I'm so self-conscious of the fact that I used to have amazing boobs and then like gravity and pregnancy and all of that just like. Did you breastfeed? I didn't cause I had twins. Because you're twins. Yeah. That's I mean, it's crazy to breastfeed twins. It's crazy. I tried. But your boobs still change with pregnancy even if you don't. Yeah. Like they lost the density and now they're just like, you know, it's like a putty. So like they just form whatever shape you like. The shit that happens to our bodies often. Wild. It's weird. I actually, my boobs got smaller after two babies. Well, I wish I had that problem. I mean, it is, it is kind of a nice thing. Yeah. But I think, cause you spoke about thinking about having another baby. I did. Have you, you're, are you over that? I'm so done. Really? I'm so done. Tell me how you got to that conclusion. I think when you start paying tuition for twins. Yeah. And it's like, just like, it's an entire salary just like dedicate to that. And I was like, at some point we're going to, if I have another kid, It's just so expensive. It's a financial. decision I also feel like five versus four is so inconvenient just like travel I know it is the whole thing so you've made the final decision I'm done I'm done what are you gonna do with the right there there are there are embryos I don't know it's something that I we get a bill every month yeah and I'm just like puppet this is like storage fee like what are we doing is it expensive yeah it is really yeah it's in like the 250s okay seven okay so yeah oh per one I think no no I think it's like total oh okay so yes okay so you went back and forth what was that second the second season you were on you were talking about it a lot yeah because I really wanted a girl yeah and do you have do you have a girl I do and she's a good give it to me it's a strong I'll give you my girl hopefully you do really want a mini vessel imagine I have a child baby trumping around no hell no you would wave you have a girl I do yeah so I'm also I'm I'm more in the debating phase now yeah but I feel like if I had the also like the gender that I want in a freezer so you making that decision means like that you're you mean it I think I think so I also feel like I should have done it like two years ago because now the boys are five yeah so we're sort of getting out of the the weeds are they less we were talking about our kids before are they less wild than they were when they were younger I think they understand like yes and no now which like it was just a circus it is I feel like they're getting better you know like they're not as rambunctious wait can you tell me about when you how did the twin situation happen did you talk about that I put two in oh you put two in yes and when you put two in do you know for sure that both of them are gonna absolutely okay you don't know okay so I put two in because at that point I had been trying for god knows like two years and I begged my doctor they actually make you sign a waiver they don't do it because of health concerns like it's a high risk pregnancy so twins twins is a high risk pregnancy so I begged him and I was like I just need a backup in there just in case the first one doesn't stick and of course both of those little monkeys were like we're coming to fuck up your life when you found out that they did yes what was what was your reaction so you know I was like I'm gonna fuck up your life I'm gonna fuck up your life I'm gonna you know when the nurse or the doctor calls you with your bloods like they take blood to confirm pregnancy and your hormone levels are supposed to be around the 200 to like 300 it can I think the peak is like five mine was 1800 so I was like oh my god does this mean I have more than two like triplets or triplets because you never know they could split they could split so I was very nervous going into that first ultrasound but you were I feel like you prepared yourself for two so for two you wouldn't have been freaked out for two it would have made sense but with those types of numbers we were like wait so you put in two boys I put into boys interesting yeah how do you make that decision I wanted a boy first okay and so I was just under the assumption that like I did I wanted a boy first it's so interesting when you have to make those I'm an indecisive person so if I had that much control I don't know what I would do did you have a preference when you were I I did yeah you know what I mean and then for the second I was kind of like oh since I have a boy it would be nice to have a girl and then but I knew in the back of my mind I'm like I know that what I want is gonna happen you know like I knew but it's not too late but going into the third would be more hopeful for a girl but also I think you can't have a third baby just for the gender like I I feel like I it would be I want to know that I want to have a third baby not because I want a girl yeah so that's where I'm at because I you don't want to be like upset about whatever it is you don't want to be upset and I also feel like the more pressure you put on something like that the more likely it's going to be a boy it's right which I'm also like the way you prepared yourself for twins like I would prepare myself like of course it's going to be a third boy though my whole algorithm are people that like Instagram already knows so it's like all these you know gender reveals of a girl after two boys wait your algorithm knows that that's what that I'm like obsessed with probably having a girl interesting it knows everything I'm telling you sometimes I think something and it shows up no it's insane I'll say like one word yeah like yesterday was like Epstein and all of the like freaking we can okay so let's go into that the Epstein thing because I watched last night's episode today oh it's fresh for you so fresh that's why I'm like yeah I was like this the whole like mouth ajar simultaneously like shocked at a lot of the stuff that happened but also being like damn this is this is a good show it's the meat do you get what I mean like it was the meat this is a good season do you feel that I really do feel that and I sort of felt that initially even before we had started filming because I knew that the cast the chemistry that we have together was really unique and felt very different from the past two seasons yeah and you know everyone's got their own like thing going on like we're all equally equal parts messy like we all have like you know our things and we're all our personality like traits and I knew it was going to be a great season and and you came into your confessional savage with your bangs dude biggest regret I was I was like tell me okay you know I know I like to know like how things happen oh god so was this a haircut that you had or was this a confessional is it clip-ons it was cut so I obviously have short hair yeah and I love the bob on you by the way I think it's perfect on you I I don't think I can ever go back to long hair but you know at some point you're like what else can I do with this thing like you can't put it up really and right you can't really so I was trying to be creative so I consulted with my hairstylist and I was like what can we do and I showed him my outfit he was like oh you know we should do like a fun like French like cute bob like with a bang it's like okay I can get with that I was thinking it was like you know a very chic like wispy bang I look like Dr. Spock dude I am with my top I'm very aware of how I look can I do that I'll just tell you that I think I got to a conclusion about hair in this business in like the glam world I mean Jennifer Aniston think about Jennifer Aniston does she ever do a wispy she never she doesn't fucking blow out she doesn't she does with her hair that's what I'm saying and it's like I've been there where I'm like trying shit I'm like okay I love that and then I look at myself and I'm like who is she because I don't I don't know that person yeah so like I get it it one will that I will never repeat it bring out a sassier it was like your alter ego or something you were full of quips I know full of a little bit of shade what would my name be like Cruella wasn't there black and white vibes in the alpha you were wearing no it was it was purely white oh it was just my hair was black your hair my hair was it was wait did you did your hair Silas get angry texts from you after or no I just was the minute I saw you I was like oh my god I sat down in the chair and bear in mind like you know once he glued this thing on my head so it's not like you can quickly like blow it out or anything like it was like matted on my head wait do you do one day of confessionals yeah so this this was my first look and it was it was almost like four or five hours in the chair wow yeah it's intense so we had committed to the bang and it was glued onto my head so there's no way of like changing it yeah it sat down and they get you sort of see the green screen in front of you. They show you the clips. They just kind of like, you know, you can just see what you look like. Oh, yes. And I looked like I was a fucking like reject from Star Trek. And I'm like, guys, I don't think this is a good idea. And I think at that point they were like, it's too late. It's too late. It's fine. It's like, you look great. You look great. You look great. I was. Well, you look great anyway, but I get why you would be like, oh, why didn't I just do my regular. I should have just done. But so did your hairstylist? Because I know I would be like, I'm so upset and we did that hair. Like I would have to like relay that. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't because I didn't. It was my, I mean, he made this. You wanted to do something fun. I went along with it. But babe, you know, the worst part about it is once you commit to a look, you got to film three times in the same look. So not only did I have to like fucking just deal. Oh, it's three different. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Were you. So how is their continuity? They have to do it exactly the same. Correct. So guess what? Imagine having the worst haircut of your life and then having to repeat it again and again and again for national television. No, you actually can't. Like at least if it's once, you know, you're done. You're like, fuck it. Like I'll look, you know, not the way I love best. Wasn't the best red carpet. Like we'll never do that again. There's like one or two pictures of you. I'm like getting your BFA. You're like bringing the fucking lip on. We, I was just anxiety. Maybe that's why. Maybe you had a meaner side. I think so. I was really upset first. We'll be right back after the break. What I get asked for most of my life is Amanda, what is the hair supplement that you take? What is it called? And what is your discount code if you have one? So I am here to tell you it is Nutrafol. I was first introduced to Nutrafol after I had Noah and actually saw a bunch of people that I follow taking it. 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You can get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns now available in Canada and the UK too. And when Quince asks you where you heard about them, let them know it was for me. Not scamming off that. It's the best way to support the show. And we're back. Well, let's talk in general about you coming on to Real Houses of New York. I remember when you came on, there was a lot of like debate, right? Like where does she live? I can't even remember that because now like it's obvious you live here. Yeah. Right. Where did you live? Where did you live? Before that, that there was even talk about that. We've kind of moved around a bit. I moved to New York in 2006. I met Puppet here. We lived here for 10 years. Then we moved to LA. He's from LA. So he had just done his MBA and we were like figuring out, you know, like, where do we want to settle? Yeah. So we ended up moving to LA where his family's from. And I was, you know, working in fashion PR in LA. I worked at a couple of agencies there. He, Puppet was working for a company. He's working for Deloitte in LA. COVID happened. And I was like, I'm going to move to LA. I had the twins in LA. They were born there. And then he got an opportunity to help his friends start a company in Dallas. So January 2022, we moved to Dallas to start up this business. Oh, wow. Did you like it there? Hell no. Oh, I just heard great things about it. You did? Yeah. I think Morgan Stewart. Oh, she posted a whole clip about. Is she from there? No, I don't know why she was talking about it, but she was like, the air is crisp. The food is great. She was saying all these great things about specifically Dallas. It's not the worst. The Texas cities. But I remember landing and I saw an Orbeez at the airport and I was like, this is my life. Oh, my gosh. It was so tough. Dallas was not for me. Yeah, it was not for me. Puppet completed his project and we were sort of in this like weird limbo. I was working at Goop at the time. Oh, you were? Why did you do a Goop? I was helping Gwyneth launch G-Label, which is her ready to work. Oh, yeah. So I was consulting for Goop and I just like felt like I wanted to be back in New York. And. Obviously, my family's in London. I wanted to be closer to them. And so we started like the ball rolling. At the same time, I was talking to producers. How did they how did that happen? Well, I have all my friends are still New York based. I grew up in the fashion industry here and like a lot of the friends. So one of my very good friends was talking to producers at Roni. She was like, they're rebooting. And, you know, I put your names in the hat and I thought it was a fucking joke. I was like, oh, this is going to make a great dinner party story at some point in my life. And, you know, it kind of. Got to the point where I was getting closer and closer to like actually being on the show. Yeah. So it was kind of almost like a perfect storm. OK, like you wanted to get out of Dallas anyway. I definitely, you know, we decided it wasn't for us. New York was kind of, you know, on the horizon. The show was sort of in the works. I was, you know, Pavit was like consulting for Deloitte. I mean, all of these things were happening. And I feel like there's always like a housewife situation that is a similar trope, right, where it's like, well, did you really live here? Like, did you come here for me? Obviously, like you've been living here for how many years now? I had. I mean, now I've been here for almost five years. Right. And before I read that you you met Pavit and you were friends at the beginning, right? That's right. Yeah. And you lived here like as roommates. We lived on 42nd between 10 and Hell's Kitchen. You live in Hell's Kitchen. I can't picture you there. We were poor, poor. Was it a walk up? No, it was one of those like high rise, you know, the ones on like 10th Avenue. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the zebra building. OK. We lived on the 27th. It was a two. Remember when they used to let you convert the apartment to put a wall up? Yeah. We put a wall up. So it was a two convert three. And what did you do with the third bedroom? We rented it out to someone else. Oh, you had a third roommate. We had a third. That's we had a third. Wait, that's crazy that you were friends for such a long time. We were friends for a very long time. We met with the intention of dating. So we had a mutual friend that thought that we would hit it off. Yeah. And of course, when I met him, I was like, you're a douchebag. And he was like, you're a douchebag. And it just never the chemistry just like a douchebag. That's what you thought of him. I did. Why? He's when you meet puppet for the first time, he's not immediately warm. I think he kind of has his guard up a little bit. And I don't know. I just didn't think he was very friendly towards me. So you became friends. We did become friends and we became friends at a birthday party. I was drinking Jose Cuervo and he comes up to me and he was like, have you never heard of Patron? And I was like, no, like, what is Patron? I was like, kind of that whole Patron, like luxury tequila or whatever. And so he bought me a shot of Patron and we sort of hit it off and became friends. And then, so what was the, when did it take a turn to like romantic? It took a turn. My mom came to visit and we're roommates at this point and it was fashion week. So I was very busy at work and he kind of like took my mom under his wing. He took her shopping, took her out for lunch, took her out for dinner, really looked after her and he was at home studying for his MBA at the time. So my mom, when I was, you know, at the end of the trip, when I was taking her to the airport, she was like, what is wrong with you? And you have this amazing guy that clearly cares very deeply about you. And do you not see him in that way? And something kind of clicked in my head because I never had seen him in that light. So I asked him out on a date. Oh, you made the first move. I did. Yeah, I did. Was it hard to transition? It was actually quite seamless. Yeah. Because we knew each other so well and I knew everything about him at that point. But I just hadn't, we hadn't like crossed the line. Did he have a crush on you? I would like to think so. Like, why did you have to make the first move? Because he thought there was not a chance, maybe. Pavit does not know how to flirt. I've said this many a time. Wait, does he, did he have girlfriends before you? He did. Yeah, he did. He had a very serious girlfriend when he was living in L.A. No one serious that he dated in New York, like on and off, like, you know, nothing crazy, but he wouldn't really know how to make a move. He's kind of a little bit awkward like that, like nerdy, like doesn't know how to like, you know, get the P-U-S-S-Y. So there was this one girl who someone like set him up with, came up to his apartment. He played video games with her the whole night, like played Grand Theft Auto with her the whole time. You guys are really different. We're very different. Do you feel like that's why it works? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a very, I think for me, I, I'm a very jealous person when it comes to men, and he doesn't give me any reason to worry. Right. Do you get jealous? No. If you're like hanging out with like Bravo dudes or something at a party. No. He never gets like. No. No. Okay. I mean, I think that's also why it works because we are married, but we also keep our independent. Like you have separate lives. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Separate life. That sounds, that sounds really dark. Separate apartment, separate, some separation in life. We have like, and I think this is the secret to. This is the secret source to a lot of relationships. It's like that you retain your own end of independence in a way. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you have that with your husband. Yeah. My husband doesn't really like, he's not in this part of my life with me. Yeah. For instance. Thank God. No. I mean like events or like anything like that. Like I'm usually not going to bring him unless it's like a rangers game. And then I know like he'll want to get that part, you know, but like usually like he's not, you know, and I think that's nice because he's not forced to be in. in situations that like he doesn't want to be in he doesn't care and like he doesn't even he doesn't want to be in a situation where I'm like this is my husband like he'd rather die totally that's really nice because like if I had someone who was like take me introduce me I'd be like oh that's so gross yeah Pavit is exactly the same like he would rather stay at home be with the kids yeah than go to any of these events which is why I end up doing them like solo right which is fine yeah and then the ones that you want that like make sense oh you should come to this like so and so like yeah things that that make sense but I had to bribe him with food I'm like there'll be food there and he'll be like what what restaurant like yeah or like you know we have a big event next Thursday it's a Diwali party and it's like a big designer that's coming from India and he was like nope don't want to go don't want to go don't meanwhile people are dying to go to this event and I was like Pavit they always have caviar he was like okay he stopped working Deloitte is like isn't CPI fine yet what is management consulting okay yeah so so he when did he make the switch to being more at home he made the switch so consulting is really hard you travel like Monday through Thursday usually so when we had the kids it was it's a lot for him to like be away and it was a lot for me to like have him be away he made the switch kind of like I mean I would say it was like almost a year into moving back yeah he was sort of phasing himself out and did you did you care at the beginning and now you sort of are in a let them phase where are you with that I mean by the way my husband's the same what happened he had a business and then during COVID it like because was one of those things that kind of went to shit and then I had Noah and then my business took off so it kind of all happened yeah and I think for me it was like at the beginning I was like well I want you to do something because like for you for you and like for you to feel good and that's always my intention I will support you I don't want you to resent this it's not coming from me but like it works for our lifestyle you know what I mean and by the way it's it's a very it's very it's very in it's very right now it's very I mean everyone's doing it no I think that's exactly my sentiment like I want you to be happy in what you're doing and if you know the food influencing thing was like it was a rocky that was a rocky situation because you know it was that real yes okay that was happening I was I remember it on the show but I don't think I deep dived into oh he he was hell-bent on like being a food influencer and I was like he was like repost me collab post with me collab post and he did something with KFC and I got dragged into it I was like oh my god I'm literally on KFC social right now but you know it was funny but it's not like something that is sustainable yeah do you know what I mean it was like but he you know he's he's kind of found his groove now he's he's got a new job it's the perfect marriage of food and consulting and management strategy so he's happy oh he's working oh cool yes is that hallelujah are you so you're happy about it very much okay yeah well I just think like as a man to like you know you want them to be like engaged and feel motivated and driven right I feel like he was kind of finding himself in a bit of a slump yeah so it was and they have to kind of figure it out for themselves oh you can't make suggestions no no no and it's not I think it's like I know this is up but this is like the times that we grew up it's like if I was younger and my parents would be like eat less cookies you know I'd be like no I want to eat more cookies and I think but that's I feel like we all grew up with like food you didn't have that oh my mother was always like stay out of the sun you're gonna be too dark I'm like wait I'm brown already like I don't know I used to walk around with a umbrella stop yeah your mom is so sweet she very sweet I'm so sorry about your dad he seemed like such a sweet man as well yeah he really was everything but anyway my point is I know that you can't tell somebody what to do how hard is it to not eat when you have kids and they're like you know there's and you finish their shit all the time I know it's it takes a it take like obviously a lot of motivation to eat healthy but that that extra like food tax what do they call it kids whatever it's like you're not going to finish it you're not going to finish it you're not going to finish it what is it going to go to ways I feel like that's half the battle it is half the battle you're like I don't want to throw away this delicious creamy butter pasta their pasta is always the best delicious let's get into this season like I said I really think it's like I think it's a consensus that it's the best that it's been feedback has been positive yeah thank god how were you feeling the pressure when the feedback wasn't so great like when people were like did you not are rony or like whatever people were we not happy with it we knew it was going to be tough to kind of you know for the tides to turn on on the reboot but I do think that like any good thing it takes time to like you're going to go through different iterations until you find the right it's like baking an amazing banana bread and you know the first one's going to be kind of hard and the second one's going to be mushy and then like you know the third one's perfect like I said I I had I had confidence because they took a fucking year you know we were sort of in this holding pattern and they knew that they had to get it right I'm talking about the network yeah and so you know as we're sort of like on pause I knew that there was a lot of thought being given into what this was or should be and what was the attitude or vibe that you came into filming with oh I mean I definitely you know I had two really strong seasons yeah and so I definitely was feeling feeling yourself good feeling myself with my bags like definitely not but like I definitely was feeling confident yeah we I felt like the audience knew Erin myself and Cy and I I did think that like you know because they knew us that we had a bit of a an advantage right like what could we do so that would fuck it up so badly right well you and Erin can't seem to not can't seem to get along yeah it's a you've already fought and made up for it you've already fought and made up for it you've already fought up like 20 times gazillion times like even like in this episode this last episode I think you go over after she gets the glass in her foot you're like we need to talk like I hope you're okay and I think the next scene is Cy telling you about the rumor and you're like oh my god they just were about to like this close yeah and the scene in the where did you go to eat where was that where you called her a cockroach or a magician or disappearing it was bluestone and bluestone okay okay okay I was like where was that that was an intense you walked out I did yeah I was really upset but what about what's the because you even when you went up to her and in this episode you were like we have so much stuff but what's the deep-rooted stuff what is the deep-rooted stuff so I think for me at that time I thought Erin and I were good we had a lot of fun and we were like we were like we were like we were like we were like had a really good lunch together off camera her dad passed away my father passed away like six months later and she was a very good friend I mean she was very supportive she was always texting like hey thinking about you it was very sweet and very kind and I genuinely thought that we were good like I would have had no reason to think otherwise right except for something happened at BravoCon which was in November so we had had lunch that summer November comes around and I'm starting to hear like whispers that she is talking about me and then when we were filming Ultimate Girls Trip is essentially when I heard all that stuff like bubble up to the surface when Chanel called you when Chanel called me and she was like listen like don't trust her like because I fully was Erin and I cool yeah so then that's kind of what pissed me off because you know up until that point I'm like we're in a good place where we're seeing Ida I finally I felt really good about our friendship only to then what was it was it thirsty what was the word she called me thirsty fake and a bunch of other things like a snake did that hurt your feeling it did okay yeah I really was like I don't know what I did to you to warrant that reaction and so you know for me my god goes all the way back up again yeah and it's tough at this point because I'm just like I don't know what I'm getting myself into by being friends with you I don't know if you're apologizing is that genuine like what is this is this just like a fake friendship now like I don't know what to expect well I think at some point you guys were talking about and she admitted to you she's like I do think you're all those things yeah so at that point I feel like it's like okay well if you think I'm these things then maybe we're we're just not who said it Erika said it this she's like you guys are just not just not it's just not gonna work it's just not gonna work yeah and by the way I'm totally cool with that yeah totally cool with that not everyone needs to be not everyone needs to be best friends but I I think it was for me it was like just the disappointment of like thinking that we were and then obviously finding out that we weren't well I'm only laughing because I'm like trying to remember what you said that the diner was like Houdini or something bootleg Houdini what did you mean because I think she even says to you they're like what are you saying what are you talking about what did you mean I think that Erin deflects a lot and and that was it was a roundabout way of saying that I'm like you know every time I try to bring up something with her she kind of brings something else up and well and if I'm like Erin I'm holding her accountable for x y and z she'll be like well you did x y and z so it's always trying to like place the blame on something else or on someone else like you wanted to maybe have a conversation where you said Just like regarding the ultimate girl's trip thing. Like I, she told me you said this. You wanted Aaron to be like, I said it. I'm sorry. And be done. I said it. I'm sorry. Or I said it. I believe it. And here's why. Like just some kind of like clarity. Yeah. Because I just think that going round and round in circles is just not helping the situation. Yeah. And it's just complicating our friendship. Yeah. So that's what I meant by that. I called her a one man Ponzi scheme, which honestly, I don't even know what that means. I was like, what am I saying? I was so like, you know, it's like adrenaline. Like I was, I'm not a confrontational person. So I was just like, like speaking gibberish at this point. But I just felt like she's spreading lies about me and trying to recruit people to like feed into this. You know, it just felt very like, it felt kind of like a Ponzi scheme a little bit. Again, I'm not sure what that means in this context, but I will say like, I think if somebody said to me. Yes, I said that about you. Yeah. I think you're thirsty, whatever, whatever. I would just be like, then why do you want to be cool? Right. You know? Yeah. Like then you probably, then you probably don't like me. It's not the worst, like it's not worse things can be said about people. Right. It's not like we know you think that's bad. I feel like it's, it's, it's just a little two faced in my opinion, like texting me being like, hi, are you okay? Like thinking about you and then calling me thirsty and fake and all these things. On the other. So to you, it took away from like the closeness that you had over the, yeah, absolutely that. So when you kicked her out of the lunar party, so that you invited her to, I mean, yeah, invited. So did you think she was not coming because you were good? Oh, I, I mean, I knew that she was going to be sort of, but like we're, we're filming, we're filming. Yeah. But you kicked her out. I did. Yeah. I was like, well, cause I, my ego would be very hurt if I was going to kick her out. Just to be clear, I wanted to confront what I had been hearing and she got kind of in my face and I was like, you know what, this is a good vibes party and these are not good vibes. So yeah. Bye. Have you ever done that before? Never. How did it feel? Not good. Yeah. I did. I mean, I don't want to invite someone to my party only to like yell at them and then kick them out. Like that's not my vibe. Right. I mean, there's other stuff going on that night that just added to that kind of, I mean the Hailey stuff with the boobs and the whatever. What do you think of Hailey? I love her. I actually really do. Yeah. Are you real friends? Yeah, we are. Really? Yeah. Interesting. I didn't think that I would be. I mean, she seems like a good time. She's really fun. Yeah. She is not, I went into the season thinking she was going to be the problem. Yeah. Genuinely like was very concerned about like what, cause I think that when you have, I didn't know her and the perception that I had of her was from kind of like the media blitz of like, you know, her past. Yeah. And. So you knew about it? The John Garza? Yeah. Like of course I know. Cause I think the girls were talking about it too. Like of course I know John and K plus eight. It's during my time, but like, I don't, I don't think I ever like remembered the, the like mistress. Like, but you did. I only did because when I found out that she was on the show, obviously you Google and you're like, it was Hailey Glassman. And it comes up. Yeah. And that's kind of what she's like. Known for. Right. So I thought that she was going to be spicy, but she's the complete opposite. Yeah. She, she usually is good vibes, like comedic relief vibes. I feel like. She's comedic relief. And that's really genuine. She's a little, she's like a little cookie cookie cookie is the best word for her. Yeah. 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How is she taking it? How is she taking the the season and the Haley lives in her own world? She probably is not in the comments literally is on the rooftop playing her ukulele. And I swear to God, Amanda, like she's played ukulele on her rooftop. She's so unbothered. She has her like group of friends in her safe circle. Yeah. And that is who Haley is. She does not give a f about. She's definitely an interesting. It's very cool. What about Carol? I know that you started off. Not great. Where are you at now? I have a lot of love and respect for Carol. You know, I didn't know her personally going into this and you knew of her probably I knew of her. We would bump into each other like socially like at events and stuff. But yeah, I didn't know her personally. So it's also like a getting to know you type, you know, situation except for we're doing it on camera. Yeah. And I feel like she felt like almost attacked at times. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think she did sometimes, but we were just asking questions like it's not we're not like trying to attack you. The Carolyn Bessette scene. And then the Epstein. Well, the Epstein did. I mean, okay. Two separate things. Yeah. Carolyn Bessette. Obviously, I'm sure you also did you call it cringy or no? Did I call it cringy? For you watching that scene back? Was it cringy for you? Can I just say, like looking back, the hyper focus on that conversation was wild. It was literally like. A blip. A blip. So quick. Yeah. So I didn't know even what was going on because I'm like, wait, did I even say that? Like, I don't remember saying those things. Yeah. things. It was so quick. Daisy was interrogating her more than me, I feel. Oh, but it wasn't shown? No. Okay. No. Well, I think, first of all, like you said, it's a hot topic. Like it was. People were obsessed with this story. So I'm not surprised that it got so much heat and discussion about it. But I think, what did Carol call you? A dingbat? Dingbat. Have you heard that before? Well, you know what's funny? I haven't because I don't hear about anything because I'm an idiot. But so she called you that. Yeah. And then Michael Rappaport, you know who that is? Yes. He just called Maura Higgins a dingbat. Oh, I love Maura Higgins. I know. Wait, why are all the British girls getting strays? Well, she's Irish. Yeah. Irish. Yeah. But you're like. Same, same. So and I saw you. I don't know if it was shade, but you were like, well, Carol's like old. So maybe she uses dingbat. I just didn't know if it was a term that like people use like in the 50s. I just didn't. I've never heard of it. But according to Psy, it's a thing. But it's according to Psy. I love how like not like according to like the dictionary or like. But I think I do agree with her that it's not it's not me. It's not like that mean. It's like a ditz. No, it's like kind of ditzy. She said it was harming. Do you agree that it was a ditzy scene? It was a ditzy scene. OK. Yeah. A hundred percent. I was hyper focused. You know, when you're like so hyper focused. No, you could tell that you weren't reading the room. I was not. A, I was not reading the room. B, I was trying to read the room. I was trying to read the room. I was trying to prove my point so hard. You're like, but it was the summer. But it was. But it was. But it was Calvin. Like, what are you talking about? Like, I was. I think you weren't connecting that like, OK, there is this thing in this world, but you weren't connecting like here's Carol was really friends with her. Yeah. And like it's to her. It's like my friend that is no longer here. Yeah. Here to you. It was like the headband, which, by the way, social media did that. And I remember I remember posting during that time being like enough with that. Like. Enough with this because people were it was kind of becoming freaky. It was it was I mean, it was definitely freaky. But I think that for me, like it was almost honoring. I. You looked at it in a more positive way, like really like, you know, honoring how she was sort of very classic and her style was very chic. And that's what I was hyper focused on. It's almost like a princess die. Like, you know, when you think a princess die, you think of like how elegant she was. Yeah. So that was in my head, like what I was trying to. And then you saying, don't spoil it. No, that's a dingbat, babe. That was a dingbat move. I know. I was like, oh, no, I haven't seen the end. Spoiler for me. So when something like that happens and the discourse about it, are you like, oh, I wish I didn't do that. Or are you like, whatever? It's not that bad. I was watching that scene. I might just will just say sorry. Just say sorry, Jess. Like, why wouldn't you just like, like, did I not just apologize? Yeah. And I. I thought I did, but I didn't apologize. Yeah. And I, I thought I did, but I didn't apologize. Yeah. And I thought I did, but I didn't apologize. And I, I thought I did, but I, I don't know. You were a little defensive. I was just on the defense and I should have just like zipped and just been like, Carol, I understand where you're coming from. Like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I didn't realize how you were feeling and that would have, you know, been it. I, yeah, I don't know. I was just like, I, I was listening to her. I was hearing her. I was like trying to be like empathetic to everything she was saying, but the words were like, not there. I think, so the reason I asked you like, how are you feeling? Because like, obviously you guys are on reality TV, you know, what comes with the territory, you know, that if you're just going to be like perfect all the time, it's not going to be interesting. Like you don't want to probably be like a picture perfect person. Like I saw Daisy last night and she was talking about like, just like some things she was hearing from people in the comments or whatever. And she was like kind of upset about it. And I was like, if people are calling you like, you know, jealous of Erica or like whatever, it's like, I'm like, that's peanuts. Like who cares? Right? Yeah. Like, do you look at it like that? Like, okay. Obviously you don't want to do anything that gets people like really mad. Right. Like you don't want to be like canceled. Yeah. But like, if it's like, oh, Jessel was a ding bad or she was an idiot. Like do those things affect the way like that you feel? I feel like it was, it was so drawn out the whole thing. I was getting it for like three episodes. Yeah. But yes. I mean, at the end of the day, we are on a television show and you have to, I mean, they picked our personalities for a reason. Right. I mean, they picked our personalities for a reason. Right. Like you don't want to be like, you know, fricking fly on the wall. Right. You have to accept your opinion. You have to say what you're really thinking in the moment. And you have to sort of understand the repercussions that come with that for sure. So I think like I have a friend on reality TV who told me that like literally they tell you like, say everything that like comes to mind that you feel. If we were not doing that, we would be sitting here having a very different discussion. We'd be like, Bodhi is canceled. It's not going to get renewed and where no one gives a fuck about it. Like it's boring. Well, let's go into popcorn ceilings. Oh God. This is your Carolyn Bessette was number one. So I think Daisy, like I was confused in this episode. They were like, Daisy brought it up first, but I thought that you brought it up for us when you walked into the apartment and said, what did you say? I was like, oh, Daisy, look at your popcorn ceilings. Daisy did bring it up first. She was very conscious about the popcorn ceiling. So she would talk about it all the time. Like, you've heard about it before. Like you were prepared. Yeah. She prepared you. We, we knew that she had popcorn ceilings. Of course I thought that she was in on the joke. Yeah. I literally thought that if I bring it up, we would all laugh about it, which we did, by the way. Yeah. We were all laughing about it together. And I like, would you think I'd walk into someone's house? The first thing I look is up. Like I look down, I'm looking at people's shoes and what they're wearing. Like I'm not looking up at the ceiling. Yeah. So that, that reaction from the audience was wild. People were mad at you. People were very upset. A lot of people have popcorn ceilings. A lot of people have, which I didn't know. I haven't seen specific, I feel like I've seen walls or like the outside of certain buildings. Right. Yes. Maybe not in this country. Okay. You know what I mean? Like where? Like in Europe. Oh, maybe. Like the Tuscan. Yeah. But like, yeah, I've never seen a specific ceiling, but, but, but nor would I think there would be like a discussion about somebody's apartment. For this long. For this long. For like this much like fuel. It was, I genuinely thought that she was laughing about it with us. Do you think if she wouldn't have brought it up, you would have never said anything? A hundred percent. Yeah. Like you wouldn't walk into somebody's apartment and like judge it. No. Yeah. I mean in my head maybe, but I wouldn't like speak the words out loud. Right. Right. Like if you knew the thoughts, the thoughts that were going through my head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I would be canceled actually. It would be like, what the fuck is this girl doing? Well, let's talk about going in the private island. Mosquito. Mosquito. Mosquito. So you've been before. I have. What did you think about the girls calling it a dump? Wow. I was actually like, are they fucking serious? It is a private island and a mansion on a private island. I could see you getting in on that convo though. Never. In another like. If you were in a different mood. No. No. Me? I don't know. Popcorn ceilings, dump island, you know what I mean? There were no popcorn ceilings. There were no ceilings. It was a little open air. Did you get the Pier One reference? I did because everything's kind of like shells or white and crisp and I did get the Pier One reference. I mean, look, it's a massive property. Yeah. So like I think they've done a wonderful job of decorating and kind of like bringing that like beach vibe to it. I didn't even give it a thought. It's amazing. And the private plane comment. I mean, you didn't relate to that. What do you think about that? First of all, I'll tell you what I thought about it as a viewer because I'm kind of different than a lot of Bravo fans because I, I just want to enjoy watching a show. So that scene I thought was so funny. Like how funny is it that two women are in a private island at this giant mansion being like, this is a dump. Like I was laughing. I was watching with my mom and I was cracking up. Like to me, that's entertaining. I think it's funny. Yeah. It's not, again, is it mean? No, she has a private island in the mansion. She's not going to be butthurt about somebody not liking like their cabana. Like, you know what I mean? Like, so I thought it was funny. And I also think it was funny that they were like, we should have been flown here a hundred. Like I thought it was such a dingbat convo. I'm using it now guys. I enjoyed it for the entertainment value of it. Right. And I, and listen, you can convince me of anything. I'll flip like a steak. So if you're going to sit down with me and tell me, which I heard that it's how, how long is it to get there? It was a long, I mean, we had to fly by Miami, I think. Yeah. It was, or it's a connect and then you fly to Tortola, which is like the main port or whatever. And you take a boat. So yeah. So no complaints from you. I flew first. So I was fine. I mean, were you the only one that flew first? No, everyone else did. I'm just like, I'm chill. It's not, you know, it's a private island in the middle of the Caribbean. Like it's not going to be easy to get there. Yeah, of course. Like flying private would have cut the day in half, but you know what? Yeah. Like, did they expect that? I mean, it sounded like they were saying it would be, it'd be nice. Yeah. I just feel like if that was something that they expected, they could have tried to the plane themselves. Right. I mean, cause he's a billionaire. They've thought maybe like it would be. Yeah. I think billionaire. Well, he tried as a plane for him and Erica. Yeah. But not for Erica and her friends. Not for her friends. Yeah. But again, I could see you getting in on that convo. Maybe if she wasn't your friend, do you get what I mean? I think you're loyal to like the people you actually loyal. So Erica's your friend for real. She is my friend for real. Um, I'm a tourist. I'm hyper loyal. My husband's a tourist. Yeah. You guys are loyal. Yes, Regina, you're a Taurus, too. When's his birthday? May 9th. Oh, I'm May 4th. Oh, OK. And she's, I think, six because I'm very aware of that vibe from Tauruses. Yeah, I'm like loyal to a fault, which is also why I get so offended if someone like isn't as loyal or doesn't like treat the relationship as how I treat it. Does that make sense? Well, you're very loyal to Psy. Let's talk about that relationship for a second, because you guys went through some, right? Like you didn't start at this level. No. I mean, we definitely started from the bottom. It took a long time. I feel like you won her over vibes. I didn't try, though. OK. No, it's not like I wanted Psy to prove it. No, no, not that in that way, but just that like her, she got to know you maybe over time and kind of like fell in love with you. Yeah, I mean, who wouldn't? No, it took. And I think that for the purpose of the show, it feels like it was something new. But Psy and I have actually been, you know, we've been together for a long time. You know, we've been together for a long time. You know, we've been close for a while now. I think that, you know, she got to know me. I got to know her and we would see each other a lot socially. And then we really connected. I think that like, you know, she is someone that has a lot of walls up. And in the beginning, like she went through a lot. Both her parents passed away at the start of filming season 13 or 14. Sorry. So she was very, I think, emotionally charged. And I think it definitely was a tough period. And as you start to get to know her, you realize like she is honestly like she's a very, very kind, sweet, fun, funny person. And she does have your back if you are her friend. So now you feel like you can completely trust her. Yeah, I do. So let's talk about the rumor that got brought up at the end of this episode. Because here's my question about it. Yeah. From the context that we're getting, which was hard for me to understand. I had to like rewind. Then I watched your after show podcast because I'm like trying to understand. It's tough because it's. It's tough for an idiot because it feels like you knew that Erin heard this. So Erin already told you that she knows, right? She did. She heard this rumor. She. No. Oh, she. There was a podcast that she was on and there was apparently a blind item floating around. You must have like heard. I swear that I didn't really like about this blind item. Yes. No. Blind item. It sort of was. I don't even know what podcast does a blind item. It was. It was. I'll tell you. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I guess this blind item had been floating around. I didn't know what it was. And Erin had contacted us after she had heard there was a blind item saying that guys, there's apparently a blind item about someone on the cast. I just wanted you to know. And I was like, do you know what it is? She said, no, I opted not to find out. So that was confusion. Number one, because she did opt to find out. And for me, I was like, I don't know. And what I've heard is that she has been saying and repeating this rumor to several people since. Okay. Yes. Did you find that out only when Cy shared it with you on camera? Cy told me at BravoCon that Erin was saying and spreading stuff about my husband. She didn't go into detail on what this was, but I knew. And this is also like part of the sort of like, you know, I would say my animosity towards Erin is like, you know, she's been saying this. She's been saying things about my family and I didn't know the Equinox thing. I didn't know the steam room thing. I didn't know like any of the room, like the details of the rumor. Which was in that blind, allegedly. Yes, allegedly. I'm finding out for the first time exactly what this is on the island. Question to you about Cy. Yes. Did you feel like as your friend, maybe she should brought that up off camera? I think that she could have a hundred percent. I think it was such a muddy. She was heated in that moment too. She was heated in that moment, but it was such a muddy rumor. Like it was like, I mean, it's not a nice rumor, right? Like you're insinuating like X, Y, and Z about someone's like husband. She did give me a heads up that something was percolating, but I didn't know what it was. And then when I told her, so I think what you didn't see is Erin saying Cy spread the rumor. Or Cy, Cy, she said something about Cy. Well, Cy was at the dinner. Right. With her makeup artist. Yeah. And Erin. Exactly. But Cy. Hasn't been the one that's like spreading the rumor. But my question is, did she not come back from the dinner and call you? We, I met Cy the day after. And she was like, just so you know. Okay. Like I felt really uncomfortable because Erin has been sort of like say, suggesting that. But you didn't get the details that day? I didn't get the details that day. How? I didn't get the details. You weren't curious? I just knew that there was. I mean, for me. For me, though, it was so like, I was like, oh, well, Erin's saying shit about my husband again. You didn't get the like details, the gym, the equinox. No. But it does seem, correct me if I'm wrong. You hear this on camera. You're not that like, you're like, were you hurt by it? Well, it's so ridiculous. Like, right. It's so ridiculous. That's what I'm saying. Like, was it that ridiculous that you were like, oh, like, obviously not. Then I'm not hurt by it. I think I wasn't in the moment as like heated. You didn't seem heated. Yeah. I was just kind of like, well, that's. That's ridiculous. And obviously, like, it's obviously not. And he doesn't even work out. Like, he doesn't even go to the gym. You're like, he has a dad bod. He has a dad bod. However, though, because I've seen the episodes now, I'm understanding the intention that Erin had because she says, I know something about Jessel's family. I know something about Jessel that would ruin her family. When did she say that? She said that last week. And it would, I know something about Jessel and it would ruin her family. So now it's clicking. I'm like. Oh, and you said in that after show or whatever, and that wouldn't even ruin my family. Like if that you were like, if that was true, we would work it out or something. I mean, if I found out that my husband was gay, I wouldn't. Yes, I would. Well, you wouldn't Haley Glassman it. You would probably end romantically. No, we. Yes, we would end it romantically. But it's like not this like treacherous. This like thing that like, you know, I think really the intention behind that rumor is the fact that he's like unfaithful. He's cheating on me. He's like not a, you know, I mean, that's characteristics like that he doesn't have. So I just feel like suggesting he has a secret life. What did he think about this? I mean, he was, he was, he was upset. Like, yeah, he was upset. But again, it's like, obviously it was not true. And so he kind of like made a joke about it. Was this blind? Was this in public at any point? I don't know. Oh, okay. Because I'm like, because you asked me if I've seen it or heard it. I'm like, no, I don't know. Because apparently it's like, it did go around. Yeah, it did go around. I, that was the first time I'm hearing of it. So, okay. How are you feeling about that situation today? Like past it now that it's aired. I mean, we still have some time. People are going to probably get crazy in a few hours, you know, about last night's episode. Like, oh, I didn't go on the internet really to see people's reactions. Yeah. No, no. I mean, I think that people are just like upset that this rumor, I mean, listen, it's like housewives. I feel like core, like, oh, your husband's gay. Like, here we are again. It's like, it's just so, it's such a repeat rumor and such a repeat storyline. Does this feel like the end of you and Aaron being able to work it out? Or is there still? I just am disappointed. It seems like her intention was to dangle this. It's like rumor in front of my face. So not to defend. Yes. But she didn't say it on camera. No, she didn't say it on camera. But she said what you said. Yeah. She said the. She said, she did say that I know something that would ruin her family. Yeah. So you're upset about that. I'm just, I just, I'm questioning what her intention is with like knowing this information and like basically saying it to Daisy, suggesting it's going to ruin my family and almost like weaponizing it against me. Well, there's no weaponizing. Now, since it's out, right? Exactly. Exactly. Thanks to Cy. Look at her turning that loyalty around. Thanks to Cy. Okay. A couple more questions before, before you go. Which housewife would you trust with your biggest secret? Oh, I would say Erica. Oh, over Cy? I would say the equal parts. Okay. Yeah. Erica and Cy. What's the most housewives-y thing you've ever done? Oh my God. Do you want me to laundry list that shit? I'm stomping down. I'm in the staircase in green lingerie claiming I'm Christmas tree. Like maybe that. Wait, that was so. When I look at that bag. Wait, who brought that gift? Jenna. Right. It was green. I remember. It was satin silky. Well, now I feel like the new stomping down and that is you stomping in the pool with your stilettos, like Erica's pool dinner. Oh yeah. Like now that replaced that. That did in my Shein apparently. Have you ever shopped at Shein? I have never. I would call it shop. Shein. I didn't even know. Shein. Shein. No, there it's very, it's not a sustainable. Well, I've even never shopped there and I've shopped places. It's tempting. They have some good things. I sometimes get served like Insta ads. But like it's, I would never know. Do you do any like normal places like Zara, Gap, H&M? I shop at those. Yeah. Like you buy your kids clothes. I just buy my kids clothes from there. Yeah, to be honest. You buy your kids clothes from there. Honestly, like I'm not trying to buy my kids like fancy shit because that is not. It's a waste. It's not worth it. Any regrets? Regrets on the show? Oh, every day. I'm like, what was I? I mean, the bangs for sure. That goes in top three. The bangs goes top three. Definitely the Carolyn Bissette of it all. Yeah. And what else? Well, maybe the Jenna thing. Do you regret or no? The Jenna thing? Yeah, I was stomping in the green. Yeah, I should have been more grateful. Yeah, it was. Wait, what about Brynn? Do you talk to her? I don't. We follow each other on Instagram. Yeah, babe. Of course you do. Since the show. You're like, I haven't unfollowed. I haven't. I never. Well, she unfollowed everyone else. Yeah, that's why I think I'm the last man standing. Yeah, you guys had like a cute little. We, you know, Brynn and I never had like any altercations. Like I never got into it with her. She did get into it with me like towards the end of the last season. I think that was just Brynn being Brynn. Did you see that she's like kind of posting little like. Influencer thingies. Influencer. And I feel like a little bit of a like. Shade. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I did. OK. Yeah. Any thoughts on that? Look, I feel like I haven't really given thought that she's not on the season. So I think we're good. We're good. Who on the cast is the most different off camera? Who on the. So someone else asked me this question. I got to tell you, nobody. Love. Everyone is truly who they are. That's good to know. I don't think anyone switches on and off. I like that. Hayley is Hayley. Erica is Erica. Like it really is. Ukulele on the roof. Ukulele on the roof. I'm obsessed. Thank you for coming. That's it. Yeah, babe. I know. We had so much fun. This was really great. This is so fun. Thank you so much for coming. Adore you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny But Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smooch-a-roo. Thank you guys so much for listening. And I'll see you next Tuesday. Bye.