A Bombshell Has Left the Villa w. Heather Gardner

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This set includes the Flamingo original razor, one five blade cartridge, a one ounce foaming shave gel, and a shower holder, just head to shopflamingo.com/histaria to claim this offer. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. (upbeat music) Hello and welcome to hysteria. I'm Erin Ryan and I'm Alyssa Master Monaco. Alyssa, I know this is an audio medium, but you are looking very summary right now. What's your favorite way to stay cool during heat waves? - Watermelon? - Really? - I think, yeah. - Oh, I thought you were gonna be it. - I thought you were gonna get weirder with it. Mine is ice in bra. - Ice in bra? - Oh, between the boobs. - To be honest, if I'm that hot outside, I just gotta go inside. - Yeah, lay down on the floor, ice in bra, ice on back of neck. - I like to make, I like to put watermelon in the freezer and make a frozen margarita instead of using ice to just use the frozen watermelon. - What? - Yeah, you're welcome. - Okay Martha Stewart, I'm stealing that. And today we have the lovely Heather Gardner also joining Welcome Heather. - Thank you so much for having me. - Hello. - While we're excited to chat more with you today, we discuss the latest of the tragic killings by ice officers, the aftermath of the unexpected death of Senator Lindsey Graham, troubling disease outbreaks in both humans and animals that could not be grocer and new accusations about the federal government's mishandling of the Epstein investigations. Then we reflect on what Love Island USA teaches us about American Literacy or lack thereof. We'll finish up with Sandy Petty. You're listening to "History of the Podcast" for getting through the tough stuff together. Alyssa, you and I have been reflecting on the show since your big announcement and what it means and how, and I think one of the things that's important for us and then also for our audience is that, you know, the news is not always great. The news is often-- - It's usually not great. - It's usually pretty terrible. That's why it's news. It would be great to open a newspaper one morning and have it say like, nothing happened. Everything can't be. - Cancer's cured. - Yeah, exactly. But another awful week from the clowns who run DHS, amid a surge of immigration officers have killed two people in the past week. Lorenzo Salgado Arrujo, a Mexican immigrant but in Houston who has lived in the US for over 30 years and a 26-year-old Colombian father in Biddleford, Maine whose friends and neighbors have identified as Sebastian Guerrero. Both were shot after agents attempted to stop their vehicles and neither of them have been confirmed to be the intended target of a warrant. Federal officials claim that the men were attempting to flee traffic stops but provided no evidence to support that. And as we have seen in many, many, many, many, many, many, many cases, ice-lice, constantly about this sort of thing, constantly about this sort of thing. According to reporting from the New York Times, the Trump administration has ordered ice officers to halt vehicle stops. Heather, I'm gonna start with you. I know this is not a light topic but is this a sign of the mid-mitting fault? I think it is a sign of them thinking that they've messed up here but I don't think it's gonna change policy. I think it's all a PR perspective. As we know Donald Trump loves nothing more than have good TV ratings and this does not vote well for him. So, I mean, no criminal charges have been filed in any of the killings. We can go back to Minneapolis as well. No criminal charges. There doesn't seem to be any accountability. It's just, oh, let's not put this on TV. Let's chill for a minute. But the policies are still there. So, yes, in one sense, I'm like, okay, they're admitting it but I'm like, but nothing is gonna change. Yeah, like he's admitting it looks bad, right? Yes, yes. Yeah, he's admitting it looks bad but also, I don't, I mean, look, we haven't even seen them do this much in the past year. That's true. So this is something, this is something not nothing. And I do think, you know, part of this goes back to just a couple of days ago when our girl constantly disappointed and disappointing Susan Collins told Trump to stop this, like said that this was unacceptable and they stopped it. I don't know if maybe he gives a shit about the midterms, maybe a little bit. I mean, these eyes, his eyes policies are unpopular across the board. I was talking to my state Senator up here about at least the phonics district up north because for the first time in a very long time, at least the phonics district is competitive. And I'm like, is that real? Is that bullshit? Is it just like, and she goes, Alyssa, you go north of Albany and they hate the Republicans who voted for him hate the immigration policies. And it's like the only thing they say they hate about him. So I don't know, maybe, maybe, polling's telling him not humanity, not a conscience, maybe polling's telling him this is fucking bad vibes for the fall. - Yeah, it's hard to process the idea that he would care enough about other people's elections, even if it is a reflection on him. - Well, nothing he's done the past like six months, the economies and shambles, the war that he just restarted. I mean, nothing that he has done points to, I care about perhaps losing unified control. - So, I mean, news to me that he would, yeah, have a conscience. - Yeah, yeah. This round of ice crackdowns has up to this point been quieter than the others in the past year. Why do you think that is? And do you think these killings will change that? - I mean, here's a thing about like the quiet, I struggled with this for a minute, because yes, we haven't heard about it so much in the news and yes, the protests have died down, but I looked it up in the data shows that like the deportations are still at the same levels they were even at the beginning of this year. So we're not talking about it in the same way, because it's not front of mind, which is perhaps why the Trump administration was like, oh, we got to pull this back, 'cause again, it looks bad on television. I mean, to your point, they're not infading blue cities in the way that they did. I mean, here in Los Angeles, they had ice agents rolling up like cowboys on horseback. So in terms of quiet, it just depends on what you mean. Again, we're not talking about it in the same way that we did during Minneapolis, the protests aren't the same way. At least before this week when these two new killings had happened. But the policies are still the same. Yeah. He's trading this as a PR problem, not a policy problem. Yeah. And you know, I think being from the Minneapolis area and having a lot of friends that are back there still, those people, I mean, it might have faded from the news, but those people are not okay and will not forget. For sure. The way that the administration terrorized them for what appeared to be just kind of a glorified photo up, which is what they were doing when Greg Bavino was in charge of, or pretending to be in charge of the border patrol, whatever his real job was. And Kristi Nome was putting on a giant foam novelty cowboy hat posing like behind a tactical podium. - Like in that sense, that circus has died down, has quieted down. - Right, right, but the circus is quieted down, but the clowns are still running. - Correct, correct. - If you will, not to minimize this, because the thing that really has gotten me is that there are still people who are working for ICE, there are still people who clearly are in it for the love of the game. They don't really care, it's like, they're not like, "Oh no, I'm pressed to my limit, "I need a paycheck." It's like, there are other jobs you can have. There are other things you can do, and it just seems like this is something that people enter into because they want to hurt people. Alyssa, you're nodding. - Well, yeah, it's hard to imagine, you know? It's like applying to the grocery store and thinking you're not gonna pack bags. You know, if five years ago you did not know, you do know now, you do know now what you will be asked to do, and there is some at least tacit compliance in signing up to work with ICE right now. - Yeah, I mean, and Guerrero's daughter was in the car with him when it happened. - Yeah, it's like three, right? - She was wearing blue pajamas. My kids have blue-weep pajamas. Like, the thing that really strikes me about this is like the so-called party of family values, the Republican Party, seems to not understand that no matter what color you are, you love your kids the same. Like, the love that you have for them and the love they have for you is the same. It doesn't matter if you're from Mexico or Guatemala. It doesn't matter what paper work your parents filled out. Like, to imagine that they are ripping families apart is a tacit acknowledgement that they don't believe that these people love their children. They don't believe that they're humans like white people of humans, they don't think of them as human beings. And it, I don't know if that's like a curable social ill. Like, can we make people view other Americans as human beings, other people who are here as human beings? Like, I know that we can't answer it in five minutes, but I don't know, Alyssa, you look like-- - No, I just, it's, it's, I think there's something that Trump has done, I don't mean to say well, but he has successfully othered people, right? And the easiest way to not see people as human is when you other them. And, you know, a lot of terrible leaders in history have done that, but, you know, I think that we can just hope that when this person who dominates our social media and our TV screens every night is gone that people, I don't know, stop othering. Like, it is a deep rot, it is a deep rot. I also feel like it's not just Trump either because you hear JD, JD Vance has been like the poster child out there. - Oh, totally all of Trump's, like whenever something goes wrong, he just throws out JD Vance, right? But JD Vance is, it says that too, he doesn't talk about these people as, like you said, humans, as a father, like, my social media is like, they were fathers, they were members of society. He just says they're illegals, they're illegal aliens using these really archaic racist terms. So, yes, yes, Trump was really good at that, but like, this is deep seated in his supposed successor. - It is, but I also think that I may be naive. I don't think anyone's commanded people's attention in the way that Trump has, and I don't think that even if, even if Trump anointed JD Vance, the people who look up to Trump, I cannot help, but thinking they will see JD Vance as a weenie. Like, he is the opposite of everything they like about Trump, even if he pretends to believe everything that Trump believes. So, I'm hopeful that even if he passes the baton to JD, that it's, that it's, you know. - JD doesn't run that baton. - Like, it's the college football championship trophy. Like, he's running through Disneyland. - Yeah, speaking of running through Disneyland, we're gonna make a quick fit for you. - Yeah, it was actually Disney World. Resort, Disney World. - Residents, secret Disney adult here to the correct everybody. Heather, we lost, we lost a diva this week. - We did. - We lost a fucking guy. It's not, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham passed away from an aortic dissection due to heartening of the arteries. That does not sound fun. I mean, he just couldn't let Mitch McConnell have all the spotlight. - It's such a grinchy death. - Right? - Like, his heart exploded. - Oh, God. - Because it was five times too small. - Yeah. - Which I thought would be Mitch the Grinch, but here, here, somehow, I really did not have that on my bingo card. My husband woke me up to say, Lindsey Graham was, I, I shot out of bed. I was like, not Mitch McConnell, like, for real. I think the entire country thought that. - Yeah. - But not to be outdone by either Senator. Trump, of course, stole the spotlight. - Of course. - Of course he did. He eagerly called in to meet the press on Sunday to say he had just spoken with Graham just hours before his death. And they discussed the Save America Act. Did you all see this clip? - That is, I did. - It is just like, I feel myself blacking out sometimes. His attention-horing is crazy. Like, we were talking about this in the reduction meeting and it's like, he reminds me of the type of person who, if you confided in him that you were pregnant, he would immediately post it to Facebook. - Yeah. - Like, don't tell anybody. - And then he did that. Who's presidency did he out at the Christmas party? - No, he-- - He outed it. - What is it? - Engagement, Laura Loomers. - An engagement engagement. - Oh, you're right. You're right. - You're right, Laura Loomers engagement. - Caroline Levitt's baby name or something at the White House Correspondent. - That sounds weird. - All the things. - That sounds weird. - So it can't stop himself. - No, but we're talking about the Save America Act. That's his like, bugaboo now. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, in the words of Rahm Immanuel, that famous phrase never let a crisis stop you from stealing an election. - Right. - So, I mean, the whole thing was weird. To your point, too, it reminded me. I mean, he did this with Charlie Kirk had to call into the news, to like, break this horrible news, and then decades before, 'cause this is just who our president is called into a local news station on 9/11 in New York City to brag about how now he owns the tallest building in the city. - Oh, my God. - Yeah. - He's so awful. - God, he's so awful. - He repugnant. - Yeah, completely. And it's just weird at this point. But to jog your memory about Lindsey Graham and Trump's relationship, they started out as better opponents. Lindsey was a high-profile critic during the 2016 election, but over the past decade, he became Trump's golf buddy. Spending more than 100 hours together, whacking balls with their sticks. Talking about I assume bombs, because Lindsey also became Trump's right-hand war monger. - You know, this always weirded me out, too, because Donald Trump doesn't drink. Let's not forget that Donald Trump doesn't drink, but he loves hanging around places where there's lots of drinking, which like, is a real red flag for him. - Right. - Also, that would have made sense. If he was a drinker, it would make sense why he'd want to call into all these places. - Well, it's also like golf, the golfing thing. So like, but Lindsey Graham has kind of been known to show up to places like sloshed. And because he was such a like, sweet little guy, like, people just thought it was fine. - The southern charm of it all. - Yeah, the southern confirmed bachelor. But they, you know, it's like, how drunk did Lindsey Graham get alongside Donald Trump? And Donald Trump was sober the whole time. I'm just imagining their golf outings being very. - Weird drink. - All of it seems weird. I mean, but Lindsey, too, too is credit. I don't know if credit's the right word here, but he always just wanted to be where the power was. If Trump wants to be where the news is happening, Lindsey Graham wanted to be wherever the power was. And he did that a lot for Trump over the last 10 years. But in politics, as we know, there is no time to mourn the dead. On Monday, South Carolina Governor, Henry McMaster announced that Graham's sister, darling Graham Norton, would finish out the rest of the Senate term that ends in January. I did not know that was a thing. - Oh, yeah. - We were talking about, truly, I should have known. But I didn't know that they could just anoint anyone. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Family member. - Alyssa, our resident historical political science scholar. What is this called? It's called, though. - It is the replacement act. - It is like the widow's succession or something. It's like, there's a name for the phenomenon. - There it is, but it's how we got our first female senator. - Yep. And I didn't really, 45 times, this has happened. We're like, we're women, usually the spouses to your point, would replace. I did not 45 times. That was news to me. I'm kind of in the era right now, as we watch our government crumble from unexperienced people in charge. I'm kind of in the era where I want the most experienced people. So that rubbed me the wrong way, but I guess it's tradition, as we know traditions are always good here in history. - And honestly, darling seems like a nice lady. - I'm fine with darling. - She does, yeah. - I got no issue with darling. - All right, all right. She seems like me. - No, but let me tell you why. Because the governor could have done myriad things, right? - That's so true. - The governor could have appointed a well-established Republican who would run to keep the seat. And this would have given, look, once you're in the seat, whether you're appointed or elected, you're there. And people see you as that person. - Yeah. - So I appreciate that the governor appointed somebody who has no interest in the seat because I really do think it does nothing but help his current opponent, Dr. Annie. - Oh, yeah. Let's talk about her. - Sure, let's talk about Dr. Annie. - Yeah. - Which is what she like, Heather. - Well, she's a doctor. Again, I am all for the era of experience. Many, many doctors are running for the Senate right now, and it didn't dawn on me. I talked to Michigan candidate, Senate candidate Abdul El Sayed, who's also a physician. And he pointed this out to me and blew my mind, and I keep talking about it, that there has not been a Democratic, a Democratic doctor in the Senate since 1969. - What? So the fact that she is a doctor, I immediately, I'm like, yes, we need experienced people to make our laws on health care. But yeah, she's a pediatrician. She's a Democratic nominee. She is running on a platform of affordable health care and child care and restoring federal abortion access and a poll showed that before Lindsey's death, he was kind of already on life support. Dr. Anders was only three points behind him for that seat, which Graham had won by 10 points in 2020. - That's very fascinating. - So I wonder what the Cook Political Report says. I'll have to check and see if they think that like South Carolina is in play. - I mean, I guess it was already in play, but it's certainly in play now. - Yeah. - I have to ask, so is this the first fucking guy that has passed away for y'all? - Oh my God, Heather. - Yeah. - Do you want to know some fucking guy? - Yeah, I do. - Okay, I do. - So we've done some dead fucking guys. - We've done some dead fucking guys. - So we've had ones that have already passed. - We have run, I say. - I say and finish laughfully. - Those fucking guys. - Yeah, those fucking guys. - All well. - All well. - There's a few fucking guys that are currently like, you know, keeping the basement warm, if you will. Guys who died since we started the series after we'd done their, them, this is the first one. But we almost literally had it on the schedule to do this fucking guy, Charlie Kirk. - Oh, you gotta wait a little bit for that. - We were like, we literally, I mean, it was before it happened. We had been talking about it the summer before it happened. We were like, oh, he's doing all these campus tours. There's all this great footage of him like in these. - Be in a fucking guy. - Yeah, in these moments. And then that happened. And we were like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. - It breaks a lot. - No, no, no, no, no, no. So yeah, this is, it's lucky that we got Lindsay out there. And also, I don't think Lindsay Graham for all of his sucking up espoused the sort of affection that Charlie Kirk did from his followers, so true. Do I get it? - No. - But Lindsay Graham is not somebody that they're like, not Lindsay, not like the general public is not like, I'm gonna miss his face. I'm gonna miss him talking during Judiciary Committee hearings. It's more like people are like, huh, only 71, huh? - Yeah, for real. When do you think about all the very, very elderly people who run our government right now? It could have been anyone. - And only 71, so yeah. - Only 71, I mean, but that's the thing. That's within the normal range that it's not weird to be 71 and pass away. - That's true. - Especially from heart disease, which is very common. But there has been some conspiracy theories about it just because of the timing. And the fact that he is on the young side for somebody with access to congressional health care to die. - I'm gonna let you take this one, 'cause you're not a conspiracy person. - I'm really not, listen, listen, I'm a lurker. I'm a stalker. I see everything. - I read everything, but I'm very cautious about what I put out onto my own platforms for obvious reasons, but I mean, on the fringes, I'm like, I'm just gonna tell me everything. - I'm just asking questions. - This is, first of all, there is no evidence that any of this is real, except for the conditions exist for it to have happened. But there's no evidence that it did happen. You know what I mean? So, like, whatever. So, I'm just saying, this is an evidence-free claim, but there are a lot of things that have lined up and resulted in other people's deaths in the past. So, Lindsey Graham has been very publicly in support of Ukraine. He just got back from visiting Ukraine. He had announced when he was there, he was really excited about more Russian sanctions. Vladimir Putin does not like Russian sanctions. Vladimir Putin has been known to figure out ways to creatively off people, sometimes in very obvious ways, i.e., like a neurotoxin, right, whatever, that it's like, oh yeah, this is only Russian intelligence makes this, or like other ways where it's like, oh, this person fell off a balcony two weeks after they did something that Vladimir Putin didn't like. So, those are the reasons that people are like, wait a minute, what's going on with this? I have a friend who I've known forever, for decades, who works in intelligence, and she is somebody who never, ever, ever thinks that there's something up. But with this, she was like, I think we need to look into whether or not something's up here. So, Elizabeth, what do you think? - I mean, look, I just, he's supporting Ukraine, has been like, his raison d'etre. I mean, he really, - Well, besides bombing everybody. - Well, right, yes, but I'm just saying. - Yeah. - Like, he's been a thorn in Putin's side for a while, when he yaps enough, it seems like Trump does start listening to him. I'm just saying, last I saw, and I could be wrong, but the last I saw, there was going to be an autopsy. - Hmm, so. - Did they not already do one? How did we know the cause of deathbed? - I don't know. - I don't know. - Well, this is why, well, no, but here's why, you can have a heart attack, but not know necessarily what caused the heart attack. That's what I've learned on the pit and the show house. So, he could've been, he was reputable source. - I've learned a lot about poisoning people with gold flakes. - Well, yeah. - Unending a blast in some, and there's certain gardening, there's a flower that looks, I don't know why I'm telling you. - I wanna know, I told you. - There's a type of crocus that looks just like a saffron crocus that is deadly poisonous. - Wow. - That, yeah. So, I mean, there's different ways that I'm sure they, I'm sure somebody died of crocus on one of those shows at some point. - Yeah. - But there's just, and also I believe that Donald Trump had like an extended conversation with Vladimir Putin around the 4th of July, isn't that correct, Alyssa? - Yeah, I think so. - Yeah. So, there was just a bunch of things where it's like, it could have happened, given these circumstances, but we have no evidence that it didn't know, did. But again, but again, you're just like, they released the cause of death, and immediately when I saw that it came from his office, I was like, no, I'm gonna need to see that report. Like because I do feel like even the conspiracies can live because we have a government right now that we cannot trust. I don't trust anything that they say or do. And I don't consider myself a tinfoil hat person, but over the last year and a half, I'm just like thinking a little bit differently. - Oh yeah. - Yeah. Yeah, I mean, even when I see announcements that the FBI has like conducted an investigation or the FBI found a ring of people that are trying - Or like allegedly. - Yeah, I'm like, okay. - When I'm sure that there were pretextual arrests set up during the post-9/11 time, I know that they were entrapping people all the time. We know that, you know, back then, they were trying to set up conditions where they could trap people that weren't ever really gonna commit a crime. But now I'm kind of like, okay, like even, and I know that a lot of people who work for the FBI, who are career people who work in law and force into the federal government, don't want to be seen as partisan at all and don't have a partisan agenda when it comes to that. So, but it's the way that everything has been politicized has poisoned the things that are not supposed to be political, you know, or not, yeah. Let's talk a little bit more about Annie Andrews. - Yeah. - Because I feel like she, she won her primary handily in June. - Yep. - She treats kids, which is awesome. She has been front and center talking about public health. She has used an X-ray of a child with measles pneumonia and noted the condition could be prevented by vaccines in a campaign launch. So she is like the anti-RFK junior. - She is, I think, I saw an interview where she said, never in her, Erin, her wildest dreams did she think that she is a doctor would be running for senate and having to talk about the measles every day. - Yeah, but here, but here we are. - Way to go, but here we are. - I mean, I don't say it's a good sense, but again, like back to my experience, people, this administration is pushing people who wouldn't ordinarily get involved, who perhaps we have needed for a very long time in our government and making our laws that we, we now know affect everybody, oh, shocker. Everyone should get the measles vaccine. We shouldn't be pushing out this anti-vaccine message. So in a good way, it's like, in a sense, it's a good thing that maybe we're getting these experience people who would have never thought to run. It does feel like a breath of fresh air. Someone, a woman, first of all, someone who's young and by young, I mean, younger than 71. And someone who, you know, can, there's been a big anti-incombat sentiment over the last few years and anti-establishment, and she, to me, feels that way in all the right way. She, I look at her ads and I look at her interviews, the one that I've read, the one that you mentioned too, Alyssa, and I think, you really care. You really genuinely care. And I think that's been sorely lacking from our government, especially the last two years, but for a really long time, on both sides. - Yeah. - Also, she's a good communicator. - Yes. - Like, that's, I mean, you know, she understands social media, but she, I have followed her since she got into the race. I think that she's a very good communicator, which, yay. - Yeah. - Well, TBD, and we're gonna talk a little bit more about public health and how that's all going. (all laughing) - Great segue. (all laughing) - But you guys, now, but we need, I have one more thing before the break. - Okay, okay. - Are you ready? - Yes. - What was Lindsey Graham's favorite cocktail? - Oh, I know, it's disgusting. - I don't know. - It's like an amaretto. - It's your clothes? - Your clothes? - What is it? - It's a white Russian. And I thought that was a joke, but it's true. Megan, Megan McKayne posted it, and I was like, this needs to be shared. - Of course. (all laughing) - Clue and cream. - That is so funny. - Wow. - I mean, you know, either way, a white Russian probably did cause his death. See? There was a reason I brought it up. - Yeah. All right, on that note, we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna talk more about public health and how gross everything's gotten. (upbeat music) Hesteri is brought to you by Quince. The best summer pieces are the ones you end up wearing on repeat, comfortable, versatile, and somehow right for almost every occasion. 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So what are we doing about this you might ask? Well, the US is releasing a hundred million sterile flies to prevent the spread of the parasite, but experts say that's only one fifth of what it would take to fully eradicate them. Here's where it gets good. The US has dealt with an outbreak before, but it was eradicated. You guys theme that keeps recurring was eradicated in 1966. Why is it back now? Well, here we go. According to a great again. So great. So great. According to the report by the Guardian, the illegal cattle industry is largely responsible for the spread of the fly. Okay, but the government is falling to crack down the root cause. Here's why. And I want to tell you something. I had to find five or six articles before anybody, anybody included the following sentence, but doge cuts to monitoring the screw worm certainly didn't help early in the administration. Doge cut funding for a project dedicated to monitoring containing new world screw worm in central America. The current cost of containing the problem, just about a billion dollars. Yes, nothing. No big. Okay. No big. You know, people on the ground like Sid Miller, Texas ad commissioner criticized the federal response saying instead of using every available tool, USDA moved too slowly and relied solely on a partial solution that takes years to fully implement. Wow. Do you think that RFK junior is upset by the idea of releasing flies with low sperm counts? Flies, flies these days. What would you think he would want to do instead? Really? He would, he would want to release, he would want to like just, I don't know, throw like seed oils at it. I probably think you just shot gun and just start shooting all the the animals that like you're infected boom. Yeah. That seems more his MO. He probably would just be like, no, just let the screw worms work. It becomes a fermented meat and it's good. They're going to get immunity. They're going to develop resistance to it, but that's not how all science works. No. So that's that for the screw worms. If you've noticed the price of beef go up, well, it has been going up, but now it's going to go up a little bit more because of the screw worms. Moving on to the next part of my topic here. Diarrhea. Yeah. Listen, you are a little too excited about this segment. Listen Heather, I've lived with IBS my whole life. Okay. If people can't spell diarrhea, that's not my fault. I'm just here to help people get through it. Just here to help people get through it. So over 850 cases of cyclosporosis with with 86 hospitalizations have been detected in 31 states since May 1st. Conveniently, conveniently. Last summer, Trump CDC rolled back the federal state partnership program that monitored foodborne illness, food sensing a trend. It's so since 1986, the foodborne disease active surveillance network known as food net used to survey pathogens that cause food poisoning infections, including cyclospora, listeria, shingella, vibrio, vibrio. He's also like the names of drugs that would be advertised during baseball games. Or like, or like that segment we once did Aaron. Is it a drug or the name of a baby? Oh, yeah, drum. Utah baby name or car. That's right. Oh, I need to see this. Yeah. Yeah. Elantra, you know, things like that. Yes. Anyway. So in 2025, some of this monitoring became optional. Okey-dokey folks. So because the tracking system has fully broken down, we still don't know the cause of the outbreak. But here's what health safety experts are recommending. Avoiding lettuce, raspberries, green onions, basil, cilantro, snow peas, bagged and prepared salad. Now, here is one of the funnier parts. Though you should always obviously thoroughly wash your produce. Experts are saying that may not be enough. And the best bet is to cook your produce to an internal temperature of 158 degrees. Warm salads are going to make a comeback this year. Nothing like hot raspberries. I am going to I'm going to serve up the soupiest cilantro. Topping my dish with some with some flash boils, iceberg lettuce. You guys, a diarrhea outbreak in the summer is so gross. It is yes. And apparently it can last for months. Yeah, sorry. I should have include prolonged diarrhea is one of the hallmarks. So it's like if you're home and you've had the shits for couple days, give it a week. And if you're still sick, I'd say it's okay. That's not medical advice, but wow. Yeah. The poor poor man's GLP one is a loop. I'm happy you said it. I mean, did you all see that Taco Bell though was taking precautions? Yeah. To prevent this, they were like they were going through all their locations and pulling certain ingredients. And I didn't see this yet. I have to read the quote directly because it's just too good. It's like the fast food chain doesn't want customers to suffer from watery diarrhea and explosive bowel movements. Now, when Taco Bell is doing more to prevent diarrhea than the federal government, we know something has gone terribly wrong. Yeah, it's you guys might be too young to remember, but there was a period is late 90s, early 2000s when they had these potato chips. It was something called O'Lestra. I remember. I don't. And the warning on the bag used to say, may cause anal leakage. What? Yes. It was like this was like when they were trying to make diet foods and they invented this type of fat oil that they cooked the chips in that was not digestible by your body, but the problem was that it just scooted out. What? Yeah. And take everything with it. Yeah. And so O'Lestra is not allowed to be sold. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. We kind of have even before RFK Jr. in the dismantling of the the kind of regulatory state. We're sort of a country that's sort of like ask for a damn knowledge, not permission. We'll see how many people have explosive diarrhea before we do something about it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, uh, so thank you. Yeah. That's my book report on diarrhea. Thank you, Alyssa. That was so good. Are you modifying your diet at all? Are you avoiding anything? Absolutely. Are you kidding? The last thing I need. The last thing I need is any extra wood on the fire, if you know what I mean. Yeah. No, I get so no. I'm only local, very, very hyper hyper local organic from farms that are like two feet from me and I still wash it real good. I actually found out about this the day I went grocery shopping and I was like, I'm not wasting all this food. We'll see what happens. I played a little Russian real microwave it. Just put it on the microwave. Yeah. Yeah. The bag salad. We're good, by the way. We're fine. Yeah. You wouldn't have known if I wasn't here today. Yeah. I don't have diarrhea. I love like outside of like pools where their signs are like, do not even come in here. Yeah. Recently had diarrhea. And it's like, because anybody got up to one of those signs and been like, oh well. I don't think that's preventing people with X diarrhea from getting in the in the pool. Yeah. This is really upsetting. I had already kind of changed our diet because I knew most of the grocery shopping and beef has gotten so expensive. And it's sort of like, I don't love beef so much that I'm like, I must make sacrifice in other areas of my life. So like we way cut down on how much beef we eat. So that is not really, I could totally cut it out at this point. And I would be like, huh, I want to stake. Oh, well, you know, like it would be fine. But when it comes to other stuff, do you know how many berries children under four go through? Oh, this is a huge obstacle. I do. I actually do know. It is. So right, Alyssa, you have a niece. It's so, and you have, you've gotten this is enough. Oh, so many berries. They only, they eat like mostly berries. My children's bodies have been constructed of mostly like berries and pasta. And so there's like this new concern where it's like, okay, well, what? So sometimes they just start winding and you just got a hand of a snack. And now it's like, I have to get a watermelon and cut it open and have them stand there. Why it's, it's maybe you should put it in a margarita. That might, that might. I try. That sounds actually really fun. I'll make that. I'll come on right. See, that's what I'm saying. No, no, no. A virgin, a virgin. I will, I will say air. I went, uh, friends of mine, I went on vacation and I was the only child for adult. And my, my job at 5 p.m. were both adult and virgin. Watermelon margaritas. And, uh, the kids loved them. I love them. This seems like to be a specialty for you. Yeah. Yeah. I look, I'm Jane. I know all trades. I didn't know anything about your sort of Sandra Lee tendencies. Um, semi homemade girl. Oh, my God. I really need to, when I'm feeling really stressed out, I have to remind myself to just watch one of those old videos of her making cocktails. There's nothing better than when, should you remember, I, I know you'll remember this. Okay. She was making like an Irish coffee. Yes. And she makes a pot of coffee and literally dumps a bottle of like Amaretto, Kaluah. I mean, those were, it was, and with such reckless abandon, she was just like, yeah, she's basically like, measure with your heart. Yeah. It was an eye to garden. This isn't there that got meme where she has the giant bottle of like, Greg, or something. Yeah, she had that. Yeah, she did. It's like my generation. It was her COVID, uh, Cosmo. Yeah. Oh my God. Hey, listen, we all need a massive margarita. That's the size of our head. Well, an alcohol kills germs, right? Does alcohol help us parasite? Should we be soaking our lettuce in vodka? Or just chasing it with vodka. Yeah. I mean, you have a G and T. If you have a G and T with your salad, you'll be fine. Right. Totally. I mean, they did it in an olden days. Yeah. No, totally. Okay. Well, I'm going to look into this. I'm all really bad advice. We've just given you. Yeah. We're not. None of this is advice. This is where no, we do. None of us are any kind of a doctor, any Andrews. No, no way. Not, um, okay, great. Now from diarrhea and screw worms to something even less pleasant, Jeffrey Epstein, Epstein update. All right. Uh, this time, not the island or the weird, uh, temple on it, and which we haven't really told you. So weird. But, um, the under investigated Zorro ranch, New Mexico attorney general, Raul Torres sent a letter earlier this month to acting attorney general Todd Blanche accusing the DOJ of obstructing the state investigation of the deceased ex offender's branch property. Okay. So Todd Blanche currently being questioned by the Senate about possibly being confirmed as the forever attorney general. Um, we should remind our listeners, our audience that Blanche was also the one who went and questioned Galen Maxwell right before she got transferred to a cushy little puppy prison in Texas where she could hang out with Elizabeth Holmes and that one real housewife. Um, she, she, which one? Sorry. Jen Shaw's out. Jen Shaw's out. Okay. Jen Shaw's out. And do you have the thing to say about this? Yeah. She's, they're, they're not together anymore. But she is, uh, but Galen is basically at summer camp and, um, that is Todd Blanche's doing. So he has kind of been instrumental in mucking up the gears of the Epstein investigation since forever. He was, uh, Donald Trump's personal attorney and it makes sense that he would be trying to slow down the investigation into, uh, sex offender who used to be Donald Trump's best friend. All right. So New Mexico AG Torres first filed a request for unredacted records related to the Epstein, New Mexico ranch in February and has reiterated the request five times with no response from the Justice Department. Five times. Now I get that there was a little bit of turnover at the top, but still still five times, five's too many times. Torres wrote to Blanche every day that the US DOJ withholds these records, the foundation upon which a New Mexico prosecution could be built erodes. Torres reopened the investigation into Epstein this year after documents in the Epstein files release led New Mexican officials to claim that federal authorities failed to thoroughly search the ranch. Okay. Um, the current owner of the ranch wants to turn it into a Christian retreat. I rolled my eyes at the, when I read that, I was like, are you, are you fucking kidding me? That's you can't. You've got to bulldoze that shit. That's like that, that's like Ed Gaines house. Like you got at once the investigation is completed. You got to bulldoze it and burn it. But do you know who bought it? Who? Yeah. Okay. So I'm like, there need who, I'm like, who fucking bought the ranch is turning interest. Okay. Dan Huffins, who's a Texas politician became to fame during the tea party. He bought it at auction. So the proceeds went to benefit the victims. But yeah, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's like a politician, like a real estate developer. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, it's like, for some reason, it seemed gross to me. That's what I had to share. No, it's gross. It's, it's so gross. And also like, I'm sorry. Like I feel very protective of the state of New Mexico. It is my love. New Mexico. I fucking love New Mexico. It is an amazing state. It is a jewel. It is a jewel in the crown of America. And I stand by that. It is gorgeous. And wonderful. And the food is great. And the people are great. And the culture is great. And I need Texans to leave New Mexico alone. I agree. I need them to stay the fuck out of New Mexico. Even if it's the Zorro ranch. I need them to just, because every time I was in it, like whenever I've been to New Mexico a bunch of times in my life. And every single time I'm there, you can kind of tell the like vibe shift when there's a bunch of Texans in there in some place versus when it's all just people who are from New Mexico or like me are New Mexico appreciators. Yeah, you just need to get, keep Texans out of New Mexico. That's, that's not my main takeaway from this. But it's one of them. I think we can say that blanketly. Keep Texas out of everything. What's that, what's that phrase? Don't, don't mess with Texas. It's, it's the Florida thing. Don't fouchy my Florida or something. It's like don't Texas my America or my New Mexico. Although I will say I know some really awesome people from Texas. I think the awesome, the thing about Texas that's that really is sad is that the awesome people are like so fucking cool. Yeah. And the terrible people are so terrible. It's like better work in Ted Cruz. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A land of contrast. Truly a land of of contrast. All right. Alyssa, again, the question, could Biden have done more to investigate the Zora Ridge? I mean, yeah. Like, what? What was he doing? I mean, here's the thing. Here's the thing that's a little, like, I kind of did, I tried to do a little forensics on this. So it looks like in 2019, when this all happened, the SDNY told New Mexico, stand down. So the over, like, SDNY was like, listen, we got this, we can't have parallel investigations, which makes sense, right? And then just, like, nothing happened. So we don't know if anything else happened, but it doesn't seem like anything else happened. And the whole reason that people became interested in the Zora Ridge, and by the way, this, which I think you mentioned, this ranch was sold three years ago. Like this guy's owned the ranch since 2023. So who knows what has happened since, but in the emails that were released, which, again, it's like people had these emails, did people in the Biden administration say that I don't know, but the emails led people to believe there was, there was someone in the email who said they, in the emails who said they believed that two women were buried at Zora Ridge, which is when the New Mexican, the, I got all this from the Santa Fe, New Mexican, the Santa Bay was like, get the fuck out of here. We are not ignoring this. And that's when they went in. So it does feel like, like, there was no evidence at all at Zora Ranch. I mean, Virginia Jufre says she had been there, like, like, what, what didn't need to be investigated? It seems-- I think that's unbelievable. The farmer sisters too, like, right, Annie Farmer and Maria Farmer were two of the original accusers that I think had come, that confessed to Vicki Ward, the Vanity Fair writer, what had happened to them, and Vicki Ward got, like, terrorized and intimidated by Epstein. So there must be something at the ranch, and the way that he talked about the ranch in his communications also was, like, a real thing. I just don't understand why we're not investigating anything that Epstein never touched. Right. I mean, seriously-- With the black light. With the black light. For real. For real, because it seems like everything that has that name on it that has attached to him has been awful, and horrible, and why, like, this is a mass-- I don't know how many acres it is, but a massive mansion, a massive, like, retreat that he had out there, his location home. No, we need to investigate. Which was referred to as the playboy ranch by everyone in the community that lived there, that he was known for, you know, having women there. But there is one-- I'm going to read between the lines and take one glimmer of hope from an article in the Santa Fe, New Mexican, which was that when they brought-- I think it was March or April-- when they surveyed the property with cadaver dogs, they specifically have released nothing. The New Mexican government and the AG have released nothing from that visit, which I don't know. I feel like-- I don't know. Maybe they're playing the long game, and they've got something, and we just, like, need to have faith in New Mexico. Yeah. And New Mexico, I certainly don't with our current government. Yeah. Although-- Yeah. I think it's a democratic state. So I do think that, like, their hearts are probably in the right place more so than if they were Republicans. Well, the way we have this reporting, they've come out and said that the federal government is obstructing the investigation, so at least we're getting this, like, whistleblower aspect of it. Yeah. Right. And I guess that brings us back to the Todd Blanche of it all. It's like, you know, we are talking about Trump doing unpopular things and alienating people and really pissing people off with his stance on immigration and the cruelty of how those policies are enforced. People also don't really like child molesters, you know? And Todd Blanche is so closely associated with this Epstein investigation and the way-- and the slow-walking from the federal government and the cover-up, especially with this sort of ranch thing. I'm kind of, like, does Donald Trump want somebody that just does, like, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein in a super prominent position, does he want him on a microphone all the time being like, hey, guys, remember Jeffrey Epstein, hey, guys, like Melania doing that weird press conference where she's like, just so you know, I wasn't friends with Jeffrey Epstein. I was never friends. Yeah. And we are nothing. I mean, I think Trump just wants anybody who will say what he wants him to say, just the most loyal person you could possibly imagine, he's-- I mean, we've seen that over across the board in all of them. He's a personal lawyer. Exactly. Anyone who's going insane to do his bidding and be loyal to him to the bitter end, that's what we want. Experience, be damned. Yeah. Have you ever seen those-- this is like a very dark turn that I'm going to make right before a break. But have you ever seen those, like, videos or pictures of, like, dogs after their owner dies, like, laying by the casket or, like, waiting for them somewhere? I feel like, once, you know, Trump finally exits the golf course of this mortal coil. I feel like Todd Blanche is just going to lay next to the casket, like a golden retriever who's, like, he's going to wake up. I know it. I know it. I kind of feel like so many of these people are going to be, like, in the whole time I was there telling him, like, trying to absolve themselves once he's finally gone. Yeah. I feel like there-- one thing that is a bright spot about this whole, or a ranch situation is the survivors who Blanche took a role in outing. He was supposed to, like, when he was working for Justice Department under Pam Bondi, the Justice Department was supposed to redact victims, identifying information in the Epstein files, but they didn't do that. They were super sloppy with it. 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Okay so last week the Atlantic published an article titled the end of reading is here. Okay Atlantic one of the many staggering statistics from the piece is that gambling is now more popular for adults than reading. Yeah gambling. Wow that is insane and the books that people are reading are simpler than they used to be people are consuming most of their information in short spurts on their phones either by scrolling or listening not to mention the ever-growing crutch of generative AI both for writing for users and interpreting texts they find too complicated. I'm just going to say this real quick about AI. I've started to like find I have like a soft spot for it for very specific tasks that I don't want to do. Yeah yeah like organizing things if I have like a giant file and I'm like can you please just like organize this into topical areas or like can you order like it is really good because you just set it and forget it. It's tedious stuff. Yeah replacing yourself which I don't think you would consider yourself a professional organizer. No so I think that that use of AI is okay. It could be really good if you have like ADHD adjacent tendencies. If you're like I have low executive function and I need you to function executively. Right. But in terms of creativity correct. I think there have been times when I have tried to use it for research and I found that it's not helpful because it sometimes gives me wrong information and I don't learn it the way I would if I were doing it myself. And I think we're seeing a reflection in that there are so many technological crutches that do the work for people that their ability to read and process information is diminishing. Philosophers and media theorists describe this all as a post literate era and have anticipated it happening ever since television became mainstream. That's interesting. These pictures are going to ruin the kids. They got to be going to movie theaters. Watch them. They're talking. One of the most popular shows on TV is reflecting kind of the notion of a post literacy era right back at us. The past couple of suburbs. Love Island USA has introduced us some very hot somewhat charming and questionably literate young Americans. Listen you don't watch the show but what did you say just from seeing the clips? It was the most I've never seen more mouthpropisms. So let's watch this compilation from now this news that kind of illustrates this phenomenon. The biggest, the epitome of testing connections. I want it to be like able to emerge myself in the experience. You're like a slow-roathed team. I'd say this is just like a ball of fresh air. I'm gonna like come promise with you. We're gonna come promise. That's the worst one. Come promise this is the worst one. I think Jen rules that person who said come promise is her name's Jen. I think she rules and I love her so she can mispronounce where it's like all she wants but I think they're bad people. No, no, no, but we're just saying they know her. They don't well. Right. Right. Well love Island has also sort of reflected. It's sort of reflected like I don't want to come I don't want to be one of those people that complains about the generation younger than me because every single generation when they're in the bottom of the like age totem pole gets like shout-on. But with present company of Claire excluded. I have found a really disturbing like context removal from from like younger people that like reflects a lack of like researching things reading things. I don't think there's a lot of like rabbit holding happening in among young people in love Island is sort of like a hot cross section of that age. Well because it's not just the reading part too because I can't even say it wrong compromise. Compromise. You know that is like yeah you don't know what that word you don't know how to say that word but it's like the ball of fresh air like that's a phrase. Yeah. Well no that's not a phrase but he said it wrong. It's the breath of fresh air like that's not a reading problem that is a context problem. Yeah totally. It's in the last season there was also some like troubling social condition problems that I saw in the people that were in the cast where it was like oh these people like grew up not really knowing how to like interact IRL with people. I've also found this is an important reminder for me I think to be like oh we're living in a post-literacy society is I've found now more than ever that if you post things online there are always going to be people who read it in the stupidest possible bad faith way that you almost have to like I almost have to like lawyer some of my I have to like be my own editor lawyer of like paragraphs before I'm like so I'm not like well could this person interpret this as a personal front and how do you you're nodding with recognition well because sometimes sometimes I have to put in my captions I make jokes on the internet I have to put this is a joke now this is satire because if you're not listening to the way my inflection is if you're watching it just reading the captions you may not catch that or if you don't see me just on a stage with a microphone doing stand up you may not catch that I'm joking yeah and I've had to I've had to write that in countless or respond to comments it's insane yeah so in addition to reflecting like a lack of literacy I think love Island USA and I know you guys are not fans but I am and I I can't explain why I can't explain why I start I just don't watch I mean I would get into it skip most of the challenges because they don't make any sense they're like these nonsensical games that are just excuses for them to like poor various liquids on the hot they're beautiful young bodies and kiss each other and do like I watch 27 seasons of sister wives I don't think they're doing like a whipped cream baseball challenge and see sister I would have watched that but it's it you know it I think it exposed you know it's a silly fluffy reality TV but it is also a reality TV experiment where these people are put in this like prison like can like situation you know they are in like a tropical paradise and it is beautiful outside and they're in this beautiful villa but it is prison like they can't leave they can't access their phones they can't talk to their families except for on family day they can't communicate with the outside world at all they are constantly being surveilled even in the dark like they have like night vision cameras so you can oh yeah well it's the same thing on the bachelor yeah it's about to say this isn't a new concept or a bachelor in paradise yeah bachelor in paradise well this one is is shown in real time though so it feels I did watch a couple explainers like a little wait what do you mean it's in real time so it means that like when you're watching an episode of love island it happened like 24 hours ago don't they do like six episodes a week I have no idea yeah it's like six episodes a week that was shocking to me actually I again I I know nothing about this show but now I understand why people are so into it because it really feels like you're peering into the now yeah whereas like the bachelor they shoot it a year in advance and you probably already know that they've broken up and all these things right right so this is kind of crazy yeah here's somebody gets kicked off the island and then the next day on tiktok somebody will have shot footage of them leaving the airport like they they got sent home here they are there some kids I mean it is kind of revolutionary it is and also I think as artificial as the environment is I think it's not as easy to manipulate as other reality shows and so you can't give somebody a villain at it like knowing how right how everything is going to shake out it's just sort of a you know it people just kind of it's edited as it goes and so each character each person is sort of like you see them for how they were that particular 24 hours it also had this really fascinating like moment this season a lot of people complain that this that the season was boring and it was a little bit boring but one of the more interesting moments was there's a part where after they've been together for a few weeks the original couples and like they've sent in bombshells to try to like disrupt the couples they will split the men and women up and they'll send the men to a place called Casa Amor where there's a whole where there's a whole group of women that they haven't seen before who are like beautiful bombs and then the women stay in the villa and they introduce a big group of men and so what happens on in Casa Amor the men have the power to pick because in order for the Casa Amor women to stay on the show they have to be picked by one of the men so it develops into like a patriarchy everything is like right about pleasing the men doing what the men want performing for the men and then the the other in the villa it becomes like a matriarchy where the men are doing things so like in the patriarchy the women are being very sexual very and they're doing what they have to do in order to survive within that that structure and on the villa side the men are like cooking the women breakfast and being good listeners and there's like not as much like yeah there's there was one female character who was like I feel she was person there's one person who was kind of like doing a little bit more making out and stuff than the other women but for the most part the patriarchy was focused more on the men demonstrating their value in being like helpers and so important. listeners, friends, and then on the other side it was like this sort of there was a lot of like bonding over Scorning the women back in the villa like talking shit about the women. So it was like it was just like a very it was like yes We need matriarchy. I think that like love Island USA is a great a great like Example of why a matriarchal society is better because at the end the people that survived. I think that the final couples were one - there was like To one original pair that would get it up winning and then two women who had selected their men from like the Casa or the villa the new yeah the new group. Yeah, so it was like none of the people who are selected as partners within the patriarchal system Okay, I like that we're chosen to be the final Interesting. Do we think the viewers are catching that? That's That's my question Possibly I do think that there's a lot of I mean everybody watches love Island except you do except you do but I love island Which is weird for me. I don't know it was one it was two it was more than my load could bear I'm not a reality show person in general so it's not that weird for me as I'm not shitting on love Island I it's just not how I spend my downtime. It is a vacation. My apically focused on Mormons. Yeah I see that's why I think you need to I think you need to move to Utah and personally interfere with the deregulation of Escalante and Bear Ears national monuments like let's let's tie us up Shit, let's chain ourselves to some national monuments list. Let's go to maybe I can just get the secret lives of Mormon wives Cast to do it because I think that would that would make people care a little bit more. That's a good girl My girl macy get up there change yourself Well anyway, I I think I know love Island USA is not like the most intelligent thing to watch and it there's Like so many hours of it. So it's like if if you get a couple episodes behind you're like I don't even know what's going on. It's fine. Yeah, yeah But I really think that people who are interested in like gender interaction and just generally speaking Literacy decomposition It might be an interesting show to just waste some time with it Also, it's like a really good show to watch like when it's really hot outside and you're just sitting in the air conditioning Yeah, there's something about it's like you know, it's like they're hot And they're oily and sexy, but then the winning couple guys. They're so cute. The winning couple is so cute Are they gonna last are they gonna make it? I think that they actually might they said I love you Oh, they said I love is that not a thing that happens? They're not out here to find true love They they are but usually they leave like as couples where they're like we're closed off We're like we're exclusive and they have all these weird ways of like just like just say your boyfriend and girlfriend Yeah, what the fuck is this weird like new stride and definition? Right, they're super cute and also the grandma of the guy that won is apparently like a pro choice Protester, yes, yes, yes, who like one of those like funky grandma is wearing a shirt That's like we're not going back with like a hanger on it like she's like attending no kings protests and stuff and she actually came to the villa during the family Visit and that's funny. She was really cute. She was she had a lot of moxie anyway I know I'm not gonna sell you guys on love Island, but probably if any listeners want to talk to me about it I'm on the socials. All right, we're gonna take a quick break when we come back, Sandy Petty Hesterees brought to you by smart credit. Here's something most people aren't told about their credit score It's not just whether you pay your credit cards. 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I'm Galen Druke and I'm Claire Malone We're back this time with our friends at crooked media for a new show called steel counting Yeah, numbers are hard. It takes very easy and frankly numbers have only gotten harder What does the data actually say how do we reconcile that with the other things that we're seeing in American politics and around the world? And how do you set the data to understand or maybe even dare to predict the future of American politics? New episodes every Wednesday starting September 9th subscribe to still counting on youtube.com slash at still counting podcast or wherever you get your podcasts Welcome back. You're listening to hysteria the podcast for card carrying members of the EG and Carol fan club. Amen. Amen. Yes She got some dollars EG and Carol she got her 5.6 million dollars from the Trump sexual abuse and defamation case She's been a guest on the show and she was bouncing on an exercise ball, right? Yeah, during the interview. Yes. Oh wow. She was On multiple front. She was so fun. And I don't know. She was drinking something. I Love her. I love her. She was in she was living her life. She was really it but yeah, she was one of our favorite guests I think of all times she was just so she was nothing but vibe. Just I mean it was just like how you imagine New York in the 90s hanging out with like a really exciting magazine writer in the 90s Just I can never I always have to think about the fact that EG and Carol Interviewed Fran Leibowitz for out magazine and made Fran go camping. I mean, it's just it's incredible It's in first the article is incredible. Yeah, for outside magazine outside magazine Which sounds like a guy gay magazine outside magazine. Hey, that would have been fun too. 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Okay, okay, so it's gonna start out. Okay I am a woman of a certain age. There are certain stars when they make TV shows. I will watch them no matter what Chloe 70 top tier mm-hmm anything Chloe does. I'm gonna check out so I watched the five-star weekend Which was okay, she was perfect. Here's the thing. It's so confusing about the show Chloe perfect, right Regina Hall perfect Darcy Carden perfect the first four or five episodes were almost unwatchable it does take a turn if you just get to the end like it has a Satisfying ending and that's great, but here so one if you're watching it enjoy yourself It's a little confusing that it's Nan Tucket in June and it's definitely fall, but whatever But it made me think I was like why am I getting my Chloe fix from the five-star weekend and instead I went back I had not watched the last days of disco in a very long time and if you need something to To just make you feel good the last days of disco is Chloe 70 Cape Beckinsale 98 the I graduated college and moved to New York when disco made a comeback and it is it's a perfect film And so if you want something to watch while you're stuck inside with what appears outside my house to be it looks like I'm on the face of Mars because we have Canadian wildfire smoke, so it's all red and creepy outside watch Anything with stillman is really good Metropolitan's really good Barcelona's really good last days disco is my favorite That's what I'm telling you go watch the last days at disco. It's a good tip. I am sorry that you're living in a Martian Creepy when it does this yeah, I know you've been through it But all of a sudden we started recording and it was just cloudy and now it is it is Matt Damon is Growing potatoes outside my door. Have you seen what's happening in northern Minnesota? I know there's there are fires in the boundary waters area Which is this giant like a million three million acre nature preserve? Gorgeous if you go there bring your book spray, but it is like there's no motors allowed like you can canoe It's very isolated. It's gorgeous But there are fires and the people that are evacuating it are like eight Rangers with a canoe like it's so great Yeah, there it's it's really crazy It reminds me there's this book called The River. It is about a wildfire that happens when these people are on like a canoe trip that really fucked me up. -Anyway, sorry to end that one on a dark note, but I have a petty, I'm feeling very fucking petty. -Let's hear of it. -Congress has taken steps to make daylight savings time permanent. -Saw this, no. -Saw this. -No, standard time. -Jona's being-- -Standard time is losing his shit. -I'm sorry. -I understand that people do not want the sun to be going down at like 3.45 because that's where I was growing up. It was like winter night, started like right after school. And it was very depressing, but you know what? Dark mornings are bad. Dark mornings are-- we need to just get over the-- We just need to get up earlier. As a country, get up when the sun comes up. Go to bed when it's dark. Like, there's-- it saves me. It's good for-- it's economically or it's eco-friendly. Like, I just-- there are so many sleep experts who are like actually daylight savings time is kind of bad for our circadian rhythms. We shouldn't be-- we shouldn't be waking up when it's dark outside. That makes us not as focused, we cause as car accidents. Every single year, kids waiting for the school bus should not be waiting for the school bus in the dark, walking to school in the dark. That is fucking dangerous, okay? And I know that people are just like, yeah, but I like it when it's light later. No, there is not enough to overcome the science, which is that dark mornings are bad for people. And I get that there are dark mornings at all times of the year. I get that. But if we make daylight savings time permanent, we are making dark mornings permanent. And that is fucking dumb. Listen to the experts. Listen to what Heather was saying about listening to the experts. No, don't listen to me at all because I am not a morning person. And when that light comes through at whatever time it is 5 AM, I don't know. I have no idea when the sun comes up because I never see it. I get blackout curtains and I am in, but I hate it. I hate it. I'm just, I am a night owl. I am just not a morning person. I just, so it's, it's, it's, it's my day like start at like 3.45. Okay, okay, that is, that is called a comedian. Correct, correct, I'm out until 2 AM all the time. Yeah, I know people might disagree with me, but if we're gonna make something permanent, it's gotta be standard time. The daylight savings time is stupid. Okay, that is what I'm feeling petty about. I agree with, we'll see what the one thing Congress has done. Yeah, oh, that's what I was gonna say too. I was like, do we, we have the most historically low action Congress in like American history? And they're like, actually, you know what, we need to get, exactly what we need to get done. You know what it's, the thing that they're getting done is something that makes people do less. Like we're gonna not change the clocks. How about we do one less thing? We're not gonna change it. I don't want to change the clocks at all. Just to be fair. Again, I just think it's a conspiracy. I'm turning into that person. There's something brewing in the background. I'm like, they're not just trying to be this nice for you. You know, all these people, no. Yeah, I just, no, fuck that, fuck that. Standard time forever or we keep the clock changing, even though I hate the clock changing because it is just, I agree. Catastrophic for people with like little kids who just don't respect time changes. What's up? Dare those little kids, I know respect time changes. They're so rude. They're so rude. So rude. Okay, Heather, bring us home. Sanny or Petty this week. Meta, how do you admit they were wrong? Oh. Meta removed an AI feature after public backlash. I love this. It makes me so happy. I couldn't decide if this was Petty. It's Petty for the billionaires. But it brings me sanity to know that billionaires who are trying to force AI on us cannot get it done all the time. So here's what happened. Last week, Meta announced this new feature. Okay, it's called Mew or was called Mews Image. (laughs) The name itself was kind of gross to me. Like, I'm not not here trying to be anybody's muse. We're just trying to educate the masses, okay? Okay, well they announced this new feature that allowed anyone to take images from your profile. So long as your profile was public and then use this muse feature to reimagine it in a fun way. Yes, I see your eyes right now. They widen because you know exactly what people are gonna reimagine our images as. Yeah, and I don't need anyone to see me meet. Correct. Again, maybe I am a conspiracy theorist. I've spent this entire episode being like, no, no, no, no, I focus on the facts. And now I'm just like, I'm pretty sure there's porn of me somewhere out there that I don't know about, AI, porn of me, whatever. Anyway, so the thing that really got people mad about it besides stealing your images was that every single person with a public profile was automatically opted into it. And when this happened, I saw dozens. My feed for an entire like 12 hours was nothing except people complaining about this and tutorials and how to turn it off. And I went in and low on the hold. My settings, it was there, so I turned it off. And I just feel like you don't get wins that often when it comes to these assholes that are trying to push this technology down our throat and within 48 hours, they came out and we're like, my bad. We miss the mark. Yeah, it's funny though when your CEO is named Mark to say we miss the mark. We use it as a phrase. True, true, true, true. We use it as a different phrase unless they're doing some kind of coup situation and it's a code. So miss you, Mark. Bye-bye. Bye, Mark. No, I just love this so much. And like meta, in particular, which I think possibly is like the worst one of the bunch. I know that's a very, very high bar. But I mean, they had to get rid of metaverse recently. I had an $80 billion loss because literally nobody wanted that technology. I am so fascinated to see what happens with this Kylie Jenner, kind of like surveillance state. The collab that she did with the meta glasses. Because again, I look at this technology and I'm just like, who is using this? Besides the people we know we don't want to use this. Like surveilling women and turning images and a porn and that kind of stuff. And also just like spending time in VR. Like, what does the market for this technology stop? Cure cancer or something, please. Please. My tinfoil hat theory about the meta glasses is that they need more data to train their AI models on. So what they're trying to do is like hoover up as much data as possible and somehow be able to sell that. I think they're trying to like hoover it up and be like, look, if you want to train your AI off this data, we can sell it to you. But yeah, that's what I-- And meta has a history of selling data for nefarious things. Was it 2016 election? Yeah, exactly. I can't think of the last good idea that Mark Zuckerberg had. No, exactly. He had like one good idea and it wasn't even a good idea. But one successful idea. And then ever since then, he's just been trying to buy up other ideas or imitate other ideas and then like failing at them. And it's just kind of like-- Well, full circle moment. I just had a flashback to watching the social network, which I want to watch the new one that comes out too. I'm with you. I can't wait. Oh, I cannot wait either. But he had one good idea, which was Facebook. But it was also to like rate girls. And it's dope. Right. So like all along, all along, this has just been a creepy, a creepy product that he has just tried to make creepier and creepier and creepier. So at least I'm happy that they've at least not acknowledged they've missed the mark. Yeah, although they could probably worried it better. No, I like it when you do something. I like it when they do something like that. Freudian. Freudian. No, any chance to humiliate these people. I am for. I am petty like that. Yeah, yeah, it's true. And I feel like everyone's kind of at the end of their rope with these people, and they're just like, get the fuck out of here. All right. On that note, that wraps up the time that we have for this week's episode of hysteria. Heather Gardner. Thank you so much for joining us. Get the fuck out of here. Thanks Heather. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Yeah. Melissa, thank you for being my writer. Dye listeners. If you want to get in touch, hysteria. Crooked.com is our email. 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