#94 - Scott Jones AKA Scojo - The Truth About Ben Roberts-Smith

(upbeat music) - Hi guys, welcome back to Two Worlds Client Podcast. On today's episode, we have Scott Jones, AKA Scojo. I hope you guys enjoy. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So you can't swear in the first 10 minutes of these episodes 'cause YouTube will throttle the episode. So we just did start this, 20 seconds ago, and then I swore in the first 10 seconds and then you swore, so I had to press pause and then delete the old version, and then we're back here now. - It wasn't a slower one. I think you'll find I said it very clearly. (laughing) - But, Scott Jones, welcome to Two Worlds Client Podcast. A very, very important episode to combat the lies and the audacity and the discussiveness and how the Channel Nine Muse organization, with Nick McKenzie, you've ran this story and great bloke. Fantastic man. I'm assuming he's gonna come for us all at one stage after this. - Yeah. - But, Scott Jones, welcome to Two Worlds Client Podcast. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for coming to Adelaide. - It's a pleasure to be here, mate. It's not off the night of meetup with dudes. I met on the internet, and they fly me to exotic locations for a chat. I feel like I'm on Epstein Hall or something. (laughing) But, here we are, mate. And I just listened to your podcast that you did with Shane Warren's son, which is awesome, very wholesome. - It's a good man, isn't he? - And I feel like I'm sitting in this chair, so maybe I might get a little bit of his special powers and I can start bowling like Spinning Game. (laughing) Oh, let's get into your call for cricket now. - No, no, no, it's not. Yeah, obviously there's been a lot of things happening over the past week. And what we know about the Ben Roberts Smith stuff is pretty much only what's been put out in the media. And the media have been very heavily one-sided on this to try and prop up their boy, Nick McKenzie, and to ensure that their new organization and media outlets have a truth teller position, which we all know is absolute horse shit. - Yeah, well, if you're profiting off something that you write a story about, there's obviously gonna be a bit of advice there to get clicks and put a headline out there that, you know, I've had journalists say to me directly, like, well, that article got a million views, so I got paid. - Okay. - Good for you. - Yeah, good for you. - But not good for the people out of thought for this country and for for their freedoms, we've got to write those articles. - Absolutely. - So I thought I'd get you in, 'cause look, you've been through the process of having your house raided and all this other stuff. I'm gonna let you explain that, 'cause I don't wanna take your story if you're, but maybe just maybe, let's just add a bit of credit to your story and give you a little self, a bit of a brief background of yourself. - Yeah, too easy. So I joined the arm in 2008 from beautiful little place in Western Sydney called Campbelltown. You might have heard of it. This time of year, absolutely phenomenal. And yeah, I wanted to be a soldier and I joined as a rifleman initially, realized that wasn't maybe for me, 'cause I actually wanna get out and one day do more of the Aesio Acespace and the National Intelligence Community, so I switched to, and to be an electronic warfare operator. So primary role of these boys overseas, depending on what technology the enemy's using, is to carry equipment that can exploit that technology. So Afghan, for example, listening to and finding out the location of the Taliban when they're talking on their radios. And then depending if they switched to mobile phone use, then we would have the equipment. It was like a golf bag solution. See the golf clubs here. What we would take on the job was depending on what we were targeting. And then you had the option back then in the army to do selection and become a special forces qualified commando. And you could earn the green beret that you see your cousin war before his passing. And I did that, so I did the whole selection and reinforcement cycle became a commando, but kept my job. Because I felt that the best asset I could be might not be their number six in the team carrying the gun or the breaching charge, but the dude carrying the signals equipment to locate enemy signals so that the boys around me could kill the bag guys. And also to prevent them getting ambushed. So our role was to take away the situational awareness from the Taliban, because they didn't know we were listening to them. And they weren't aware at the time when you had to find them. Every time they transmitted on their radio, it would give us a location to them. And as you can imagine for a sniper, when they're looking across the whole valley, looking for someone to shoot, looking for a bad dude to put down. It's pretty handy having a dude that can tell you, if you look along this bearing, approximately 500 meters away, there's a dude planning an ID. And we got to put on every deployment, every job, every mission. I don't think there's many missions where they didn't bring an electronic warfare operator. Pretty handy to have. Cool, cool. All right. So how many trips have you done? So did one special operations task group deployment to Afghanistan 2013? Two deployments to Iraq, combating the Islamic State 2014, 15, 16, 17. Also did two tag rotations, tactical assault group. And I did a couple of little gray role deployments, I'm not allowed to talk about. All right. So you're well qualified to talk about the current situation that we're in, given that you've been in combat in the highest-stressed environment for any Australian soldier. Given that you deployed, we have two commander, the Special Forces Regiment. Now, there are allegations against certain two commander members, but there's also the allegations against Ben Robert Smith. Now, this is all going to tie in together. We're probably going to talk about the whole thing in regards to the Burnt and Quirers and everything. But let's start off with Ben Robert Smith. Let's also start off with the process that he's going through now, because you've sort of been through it. So just explain to us like, you're asking him, right, you're getting arrested, all this sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah. So not just me, you see like there was over 400 fellas that got interviewed and accused of different things varying in nature and severity during that time and a number of the boys, whether you ever to be charged or not, just to rattle the cage we feel, they went after a lot of the boys and a lot of the house being rated, as of almost two weeks ago, one of the boys got his house rated down. Yeah, I didn't call me. Yeah, exactly. And it's shattering, you know, at this point in our lives, we're just, we're just dads, we've moved on. Yeah. The house rated in front of his two little girls, his wife was out of the back. You know, his wife's now struggling. His two little girls are thinking, why is the AFP coming to my dad's door and kicking his house in? Yeah. What's he done wrong? Yeah, he's a war hero. Yeah, your neighbor's in your street, you built off a bit of rapport with the 80 year old neighbor across the street, put in his bins out and stuff. And then he's like, hey, Scotty, what was that tactical team doing kick in your front door in? Yeah. And you got to explain that you're not a drug dealer or. And it's still, I just want to let everyone know. It's still happening to today. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And the head of the OSI is on $800,000 a year. Why would you stop? You know, that, I don't know. His intention team might be the best lawyer in the world, but I can tell you right now, if I was on 800K a year, I'd be working pretty hard to keep things moving along. I wouldn't be in a rush to shut it down. But my specific circumstances, I was eventually went through the court process and was found not guilty, never convicted of anything. And I signed a legal, non-disclosure agreement or it's called a deed of service apparently in legal terms where you are not allowed to talk about it. So I settled the matter with the government and we all move on. But I can definitely talk to all the boys that are going through it 'cause everyone that's currently going through it, especially RS's team, some dudes that I actually did a deployment with two squadron, with E-True. So they were there with us in Afghanistan and we did a number of bilateral jobs with them. You know, we let them fucking hold our pocket here and there. This is obviously where the premier unit in the Australian Defence Force. Shout out to the two of them on that. And yeah, I do have a bit of knowledge, obviously, on this subject. And then from there, because of my experience with my own situation, I ended up going down and helping in Ben's trial in some capacity and also was working overseas at the time. So I had a lot of time to watch the trial every single day live stream. So I feel like there's not many people other than the journalists in the room that watched as much and were invested in much as a trial as I was. And now I'm also helping out all of the shools from his case because I'm no longer working for our government. And it's a very niche thing, the electronic warfare operator. You're cleared to top secret. So you have access to a lot of tools and things. And when you get out, you generally work for ASUS AZO DFAT. All of my cohort work for ASUS AZO DFAT. And they're not gonna put their neck out and risk their rest of their career by supporting Ben. So all the other boys that are in trouble. So I'm happy to do so because I'm certainly not going back to ASUS AZO after the Instagram, post some photos of me. We're in speedos and gun fights on the rooftops of foreign lands. They don't really wanna have operators in the field that can be identified. - That's right. So, okay, so the first thing I wanna break down is 21 witnesses. 21 witnesses. - Yeah. - 21 witnesses came in again. You really get to the, you know, you talk to guys like yourself, you talk to a, I won't name anyone else on the podcast for reasons that we don't want to because this is my podcast. I don't wanna put anyone else on the scrutiny but I get this information for all these other people. 21 witnesses, 21 witnesses. Well, no, it wasn't 21 witnesses. It was more like two or three or four witnesses. - Yeah. - But then there are a whole bunch of witnesses that are on Ben's side as well. - That's right. - That all got during the defamation trial. That all got just kicked out and none of their testimonies were even. - Unreliable witnesses that are referred to as by the judge. - So just to explain, and I'll see you next time. want you to go through right to, because there's also, you know, we were talking before. There's witnesses of Afghan national, we saw an Afghan born and bred person that may have seen something overseas. Now they're living back in Australia. - That's right. They are. So I think we need to go back one step further and say, how do we get to the position where people are accused of war crimes? So in Afghanistan, I was there, actually the first week I got to Afghanistan, we were on sea stops. I weren't allowed to go out and do any missions because a certain patrol of the SAS had mistakenly misunderstood certain rules and they cut off a whole bunch of people's hands to borrow and roll to get the fingerprints of the bad dudes that we'd killed, not we, I wasn't there. And that was the patrol led by a certain Andrew Hastie. So I first got to Afghanistan and I'm not allowed to actually go out and do my job. I thought, you know, the president of Afghanistan is saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, no more jobs, Australians, you're out there f*cking lopping off hands. So that was my first exposure to the allegations of war crimes that meant I didn't get to go out and do my job. So I was just, you know, sitting in the gym, the gyms and smack and bruise and flirt with cute sig chicks down at the MRTF or whatever. But then about, fast forward to about 20, 14, started, things started to come out. There's starting to whispers that there were people unhappy with people, other people's service and conduct enough in Afghanistan. So they came around and said to us at platoon points in Tukamanda and they said, mate, if anyone has a problem with anything they saw overseas, there's a certain female called Dr. Samantha Krumpfertz. She's sitting up at the headquarters and she is, someone you can sit down and talk to, her door's always open, go over there if you have a problem. And as a young digger up on my hand up and said, is she hot? And one of the boys said, it looks like she's been hit by an IED. She's got real bad acne. She's no good mate. And I was like, well, what are we doing? We're going on the range and all the boys just put their body armor on, went to the range. No one that I know spoke to her. And then she was obviously over in the SSR. Now my friends in the SSR know of anyone that ever spoke to her. But clearly there was a couple of little weasels that went and had a soak. And we thought it was about potentially the drinking culture overseas. Maybe Scrojo was getting a bit too naked on the back deck and butch, and a few, you know, long necks of VB. And that's unacceptable. Even I drank overseas and I was just a good grinding through area. Right, yeah. It's normal. We're human beings. And it's a good way to decompress. I'm not saying become an alcoholic. But it was a good culture. And they imagined like, I sort of like a footy trip. You want a footy trip with the boys. And when the works on, you're on. When you're on the field, you're on. But when you're back in the clubhouse, you have a little good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the drinking culture, we thought that's what it was about. So to come on, though, blatantly just like this is done. We're not even going to contribute to this. And then Sockost came out, the head of the special operation, said, there's something deeper here, because some people have come forward with some pretty wild allegations. And the biggest allegation, you can Google it, is that the SAS cut a whole bunch of young children's throats put them in body bags and threw them in a river. Now, one, we didn't carry body bags on jobs. Maybe one dude did for one bag if something bad happened. And secondly, if you're going to hide a body, you're going to put it in a floatation device and throw it in the river. None of this really made sense to us, but this was what was coming out in the media. And that sounds horrific, right? Like I even heard that. I was like, oh my god, if that's true, that's pretty cooked. But none of those allegations have ever been. So we're in 2026 right now. And not a single person has ever been accused of that. But that was the premise for the next step, which was to launch the Burden inquiry, which is an old reservist, fellow, the Justice of the Supreme Court. He came in and basically compelled over 400 soldiers, predominantly operators and support staff that were in Afghanistan, you were compelled to talk to him. And is he the one that looks like he should get his hard drive checked? He. look, I'm not saying. She's your comments not mine, he's not my biggest fan. I'm shout out to Burrow. But look, like what occurred there, then we started to hear what was happening. So you're in the mess talking to your mates at lunch, and they look all disheveled. They look like cook. They've just seen their misses get hit by a car or something. What's. you're right, mate? And maybe it's a bit of PTSD creeping in or something, but he goes, "No, I was just in an interview with the IG-ADF." And they laminated on the table in front of me. Every person that I'd killed in battle, legitimately, say 5-10 people. They printed them out on laminated sheets of paper, and it was literally a zoomed-in picture of their half-missing head that he'd shot off, because they're in a gunfight in Afghanistan within the insurgent. And they laminated and put them all on a table, and they forced him for 8 hours and sit there and stare at it. Isn't that really good for a soldier's mental health? Yep, and some of my biggest haters, you know, I think even Nick McKenzie, who else? Like, there's a few people out there that won't like what I am and what I stand for, and that's fine. But no one will say that that's good for anyone's mental health. No. You know, imagine if someone had been seriously assaulted or hurt in some way, shape or form, that was disgraceful and disgusting. So they did this to soldiers? They did this to soldiers. Like heroes, my mentors, my. The dudes that I looked up to were looking at me like all disheveled. How many years after it was? This is, say, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018. And these got. So 5, 6, 7, 10 years. 10 years prior. Okay, so after that, after they went and fought so hard over in Afghanistan, after they've punched well above their way, after they've really done a lot of the heavy hitting over in Afghanistan, they've built up such a reputation, they've built up such a masculine man environment that the world seems to hate these days, right? And they put a whole bunch of photos of dudes that they shot over there in the protection of our country, saying, "Do you remember this? Do you remember that?" Yep. And I'm. What the fuck? Who? Absolutely cooked. I mean, that's a war crime in itself. It should be. And what happened was. Fuck to the government thing now. One dude sat back in his chair and he laid on the floor. He literally laid on the floor in the interview for half an hour. He didn't have a support person or someone there to hold his hand. They just left him there on the floor. They just let him have a full mental breakdown. And then when he was speaking to the boys later on, he said, "One of the photos they showed me, I killed a bad dude. We were shooting at each other and I got the drop on him and it was who was quickest of the trigger." The dude's half his head was missing because he shot him in the face and his eyeballs had popped out the front of his head and it looked like they were dangling on spaghetti. And he said to me, "And we all laugh about it." But what he said to the boys is, "I spent the last three years of my life going to psych off base, so no one knew about it and trying to forget that image. He's been trying in his own time to wipe that memory from his head. And then these fucking jerks that have never been in a gunfight in their life, I don't even know if they've ever deployed, slap down a picture of that in front of you and say, "You're going to tell me the lead up to that event. What you had for breakfast that day? Why you went there? Where you were patrolling, what direction you were facing, when you shot him? Where exactly were you? Who was there? Who was next to you? And forced him to relive it. And this happened over 400 people over about a two or three-year period. Great. Now wonder, you know, so many ex-veterans now struggling with what's, or struggling to really grasp the reality of life at the moment. I wonder what happened within that special forces community to say, so many fucking diggers that came back from Afghanistan and the special forces community are either mentally unstable, committed suicide, or, you know, are living their life in a terrible situation. I wonder what really provoked them to really relapse again. Yeah. I wonder what happened. What did they turn to drinking? They're in the suicide of these bags of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Absolute scumbags. I paid out government. And this was done under the liberal government, wasn't it? It would have been probably about that time. Scott Morrison here. Yeah, I did say. Yeah. Screw him that fat loser. Yeah, absolutely. And I've worked like I was in Afghanistan with Kevin Rudd. I was in, I did PT a number of times at the unit with Tony Abbott. Shout out to Uncle Tony. I brief Scott. I'm Malcolm Turbul into several capabilities. Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott's come out and spoke very positively for Ben Robertsmith. Yeah. No, he's, he seemed like a G like I'm not much in politics. Definitely not as much as you are, but I was exposed to every government. And I served under them and I sat with them in rooms like this, telling them about different capabilities and what we're doing down in the, in the two way range. And they were, they looked like deers in headlights. They didn't want to hear about. They didn't want to see it. And it's important to understand that for that 2001 until 2021, when we left Afghanistan, it wasn't just one government over there. It wasn't just one defense minister, one minister for defense, one, you know, politician. They were all there. Now, so, okay, so we've sort of understood the starting of the trial. So, okay, so after they laid out all their photos, what, you know, what happened after that? So after that, there was just silence. You just waited for your turn to be called up. And some people got called up. Some didn't. Some people clearly went in there to defend themselves. And they were just absolutely shut down and smacked. They were allowed to take water breaks for like once every couple of hours, you know, while they were absolutely just getting screamed at. So fall in interrogation? Full interrogation. So in the paperwork, and I'll give it to you. By who? You can post it. The IGADF, the Inspector General of the Australian Defense Force. It's like the HR department of defense. And HR, they work for the company, don't they? They're not there to help you. That's right. So everyone's going through that and then, room is it coming out. And I, I blatantly just said, when I got told, like, I've got to show up on this day, I was like, I got stuff on that day, brother. I'm not coming because, you know, I'm not gonna risk my mental health and being berated by someone from my service who hasn't served. And it's important to note, I see a lot of people in the comments sections on your videos and other videos, I'm a veteran and I think Ben Roberts Smith should be prosecuted. You're a veteran of what? I'm proud of everyone that served. I got mates that were cooks, fucking truck drivers, love 'em all. Good cunts. Sorry for the way. No, it's after the 10-minute march. Oh, good. So you can see my size is bad. And you can start, say, job their F-bombs and see bombs as much as you want. I don't know if the audience will like it, but, sorry, they're here now, so. I'll do all my best guys, sorry. But yeah, ultimately, some served others fought. So think about that on Anzac Day. Many people served our nation and served our country with pride. They deployed. They went away from their families for eight months. They didn't see their whiteness. And there's still a huge amount of respect about the Australian population needs to give to those people. Absolutely. And then there's those that fought. Yeah. And then there's a higher level of respect you get to them. That's right. The intensity of their service, they might have only served for four years in special operations, but they did four deployments to Afghanistan. They're in over 200 gunfights. They killed over 100 insurgents. So you've got to think about the intensity of their service and these dudes are those dudes that they're grilling in these interviews. High-charging performers in the ADF, the tip of the spear, obviously. And then, so we're waiting for things to come out. And the report finally drops in 2021. Ish, I'm guessing. We'll have to get the dates. Fact check that. Take that down, Jamie. Yeah, yeah. I need someone like that. Yeah. Don't worry. I'm getting close. I need you to be close. And the report drops while we've still got diggers in Afghanistan. So my mate is sitting at a patrol base as a grunt in Northern Kabul. And he's training the Afghan army. And our chief of the Defence Force comes out and says, hey guys, the whole world, live stream, public broadcast, potentially some of our soldiers were cutting young boys' throats and putting them in body bags and chucking them in. That was a lie, wasn't it? Which was a complete lie. A complete lie. A complete fabrication. And he lists all these horrendous crimes that there's all these individuals now potentially in a face criminal action for murdering innocent Afghan villages. And my mate's a grunt standing there with all the Afghan villages listening to this. And they, like the soldiers, Afghan soldiers are just Afghan villages that have come over to learn how to be a soldier. And they're looking at him and going, did you do this? And think about the position that puts, like the harm that put, like the boys had to put extra security, isn't not facing out of the base, but facing in. Because we had so many insider attacks. So horrible timing. And then a couple of months later, they say, fuck it, we're out of here. And they withdraw from Afghanistan and tail between the legs, see you later. And the Taliban took over Afghanistan in two weeks. - They sure did, which says to me that the Taliban were already there the whole time. And we're trying to say like, no, these people weren't innocent civilians. Everyone that we ever fought in Afghanistan was a civilian. So that's another point. Comment section. Ben was killing innocent civilians. Okay, well, they were all civilians. The Taliban weren't a formed army. They weren't a formed body of troops. They didn't have a conventional force behind them. They're an insurgency. That was civilians. When they weren't fighting us, they were just farming their crops or doing whatever they do, butchered, butchered, butchered. - You can't prosecute someone when their enemy blends into the natural population. You can't prosecute someone when they strapped fucking 15 kilos worth explosives to 13-year-old boys. You can't prosecute someone when they get insiders from the Taliban to join the Afghan National Army, that partner with the Australian Defense Force and turn around and shoot three blocs on the 29th of August. - That's right. - You can't prosecute people for fighting a war like that. - No. - For all these armchair war area, armchair warrier experts out there. I think they know a bit about what happens over in Afghanistan because they've watched a few movies here and there. We'll think again. - Yep. - And it's important to now understand that the rules of engagement you employed over there in a conventional army setting are vastly different to those at the special operations use. So you can look this up, ROE 429 Alpha. It's an offensive ROE. So whereas you had to wait to be shot at to shoot back. - Yeah, 'cause I was at grant. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Grunt, yeah, predominantly. So in general, maybe you had to drop on someone you could easily justify taking their life though about to attack the patrol, right? But one of the main ROEs that special operations use during targeting operations, which is actually going deep into enemy territory to hit an insurgent commander is that our government and our politicians and our ministers for defense and all the guys on TV with the big pips on their shoulders or the senior officers came up with this thing, ROE 429 Alpha. And that was that we were allowed to go out and target individuals. And if they were the terrorists that were there to kill, they could be unarmed. So it was an offensive ROE. So what that means is if you were to name this objective whiskey and tonight we're going out to kill objective whiskey. If you see objective whiskey and he's watering his plants, he's petting a baby goat. He's asleep next to his wife. The way that ROE 429 Alpha is written is, at all times that objective is playing a direct part in hostilities. At all times the do that's asleep, causing no threat 21 is deemed targetable as if he's shooting at you with an AK-47. So, question for you Sam. Ken, a special operation soldier, if you're going out to kill the insurgent leader, objective whiskey and you see him, am I he's unarmed? Am I allowed to shoot him in the face? Under what you just explained, yes. Yes, absolutely. And they'll probably rattle a few people. But we didn't write the rules. Right, like we, can you pitch us go, Joe, if I can doing some legal documents? No, no, that's the same brass. They wrote the rules that are now dojoing any sort of allegations to do with any of this stuff. Why isn't that anyone above the rank of Hestan Russell getting done for this? Yeah, that's right. Why is it just all you boys on the ground? Yeah, it doesn't make sense. My biggest thing is, what happens when an AFL team is going really shit? They sack the coach. Yes. No one blames the players. They sack the coach. So why is it that in this situation now, it's just all the players and soldiers getting done? Yeah. Why aren't the upper echelons of the rank getting done here? Yeah. We've just dodged this nicely, haven't we? Yeah, yeah, they didn't know. They weren't aware that the people that they were going out didn't telling us to shoot. And kill counts were a metric for success. So it would be a mission failed. If, and it did happen a lot, where you came back and I'll make it away. He wasn't there. It happened to me several times. And it was mission success if you killed that individual. And that could be from your bullet, from your gun, or it could be from a drone dropping a health fire onto that individual. At all times, he was taking a direct part in hostility. So he was targetable. So can the Australian Defence Force, can special operations soldiers, all the coalition soldiers kill an unarmed person, an unarmed civilian? Yes. Yes, they can legally. And if you have a problem with that, you need to address that to the government, the government of the day. And that was all governments. So right now, like we didn't want to talk about this. We didn't want to spread this to the world. But Ben's sitting in a jail cell, hating life right now. So it's probably worth bringing it up for context. Yeah. If you don't like it, speak to the politicians. Yeah. Yeah. Good. All right. Now, should we jump onto the witnesses now? Yeah, sure. All right. So my best friends. Yeah. All right. So because you've been very, very close to the entirety of the situation, you've helped during the defamation trial on Ben's side. And obviously where-- I hope I wasn't the reason why I lost. Don't put it on me, Ben. No, the reason why I lost, I think, because it was probability. And the judge seemed to be a bit one-sided leaning. Yeah, he's here, too. That comb over, horrendous. Judge Anthony Pesenko. Very intelligent man, but G. Wiz. Get that head to Turkey brother. Get that head to Australia. Now, so let's talk about the witnesses. Yeah. So let's go-- so yeah, the biggest comment that we've seen in the last few days is, well, 21 of these might showed up and showed you your shit count. OK. Well, let's break that down. Because a lot of the people that showed up to say he was a shit count have a bit of a boy's there. And I'll go through that. So the main witnesses against Ben. Person one. So they're given pseudonyms. I think that's the professional word for it. OK. pseudonyms. You're telling the story, mate. Person one. So Person one was an SAS member. He went to Afghanistan. And one of the first jobs in 2006, 2007, they're in an OP on a mountaintop. And Person one let an insurgent walk through the middle of the SAS OP directly in front of them and didn't engage. When he was told to engage, he didn't engage. And on another incident, apparently he couldn't engage because he forgot to bring the oil for his machine gun. So his gun failed to fire multiple times when he did eventually try to shoot. This allowed the SAS's flank to be exposed. And ultimately that day they ended up getting in a huge gun fight. So from there, what occurred is the tool I see the patrol Sergeant Matthew Locke MG, who's now killed in action not long after this occurred, had to climb up a cliff with Ben Robert Smith to kill this individual. So he didn't come around the other side of the patrol. And obviously killed it. So when they got back to Australia, Matt Locke, grabbed a person one by the throat. against a pub window in Perth and said, "Oh, fucking kill you and throw you through this window "if you ever endanger the lives of our patrol again." Person one got fucked off. And he admitted admittedly, he said Ben, Ben was a bit mean to him, he was just slapping on the back of the head 'cause he couldn't drive properly. And he admitted in court, Person one, he was a shitbag of a soldier. Every unit has their lemons, even two commander, even the SAS, two commandals, probably me. SAS was Person one, right? He admitted to it on the stand, he sucked. And he had to be retrained and they took him out of that patrol and fucked him off. Now think about how hard it is to become an SAS operator or a commander and earn that beret, it's a big deal. Then to be told you're a shit gun and fucked off to another team, would you take that personally? I would. So does Person one have bias against Ben? Looking for a way to get him back? Yes. Person seven. So during Ben's VC, so Ben's Victoric Cross has never been in question. Throughout the whole defamation proceedings, no one ever questioned Ben's VC. Even his biggest haters said, "It was the bravest thing I've ever seen in my life." So there was three teams. One team's pinned down on the right flank when they land in this village. There's a hundred insurgents. Come out of nowhere. They weren't aware of this. Ben didn't even have his body armor on. Ben's got no chest plate. Big dog. He's got a big chest, he doesn't need body armor. One team's pinned down on the right flank, one's pinned down in the center, and one's pinned down on the left. And there's a small mud wall in front of them and bullets are flying everywhere. The team on the right is absolutely pinned down. No one can move. They're absolutely cooked and they're going to die. And they're looking at each other like, "We're probably going to die in this creek bed." The team in the middle said, "Person seven," said, "We'll face the rear. We'll stay here. You guys go." And then the team on the left, Ben's the two- I see of this team. And sorry if I'm butchering at boys. And he sees the team leader get up and he steps over that mud wall and he advances to contact. 100 enemy machine guns pointed at him. And he goes one way around a compound, Ben goes the other way. He gets a star of gallantry, Ben gets a Victoria cross. Person seven's at the back saying, "I'll just face the rear." And in the trial, he blatantly said, "I wasn't brave enough to do what Ben did." And we've got the audio file that we met and into a ringtone and turned into a dance track and they're on sorta uses these days. So like what I'm saying is, you're a fucking coward. And in the game, that's a big thing, right? So I'm not saying it. This is what I was told and this is what came out in the trial. And obviously Ben expressed that to this individual and that individual was subsequently not into squadron anymore and put in another squadron that doesn't do green roll fighting. - Hmm, yeah. - I know what squadron he's talking about. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And during the global war on terror, you wanted to be in a green roll squadron 'cause that's where the fighting happened. - That's where the fighting happens. That's what you signed up for. And some people found out the highway when you were at Toe Afghanistan. Maybe this isn't for me. And there's only one throughout all the training we do and all the simulations we do. At the end of the day, you don't know how you're gonna perform under gun fire until it happens. You're either, you know, you've found that out the highway or you've seen it like your cousin did and thrived and performed at the highest level. So person seven, two years later, on a subsequent deployment, they went back to T-Zack. They went back to the same village. And the only thing that was different in the village was there was a hundred graves there on the southern side of the village. - Yeah, yeah. - There's no one there. - 'Cause Ben and the other three, killed a hundred people. - They killed a hundred people. And the weapons case photos from that day are phenomenal. And no one denies what Ben did was phenomenal. But person seven, instead of pulling security and doing his job in that village that day in 2012, two years later. - Would he step in out the meter's been out the run? - He would step in out the meter's side. - Why would he step out the meter's that Ben had to run from open fire? - He's still upset that two years prior, Ben caught him a coward for not assaulting with him. - So he was stepping out, he was saying, the machine gun, you said in your VC citation, you ran 50 meters through open fire. Well, it was actually 42, I paced it out. - Really? - And everyone's like, "Nate, is this why your wife left you?" - So is this the, so this soldier seven? - Soldier seven. - The one that was on last night. - Yeah, that's the dude that he admitted in Ben's trial. He was the one that went on 60 minutes. And he was on 60 minutes. Allegedly, again, last night. He said he was the dude from last time and there was only two from last time, person seven and person 14. So it's 50, 50, I dare say it's person seven. - Yeah, 'cause he didn't seem last night when I watched or the parts that I watched. He didn't seem sad, he didn't seem like he'd suffered PTSD. He looked disgruntled and he looked very jealous, based driven. - Yeah, well, I think that's the observation that I took out of it. A good friend of mine, Hamish McGlockland, did a podcast recently and he said, "The barrels hadn't even cooled down yet from that gunfight and they were back at base and some of these individuals were squabbling over who should get a medal and who shouldn't." And that's not why we do it. Most of us anyway, obviously some did. So then you had another great individual person 14, the other dude who went on 60 minutes. Great operator, absolute legend. Had a hard drive, full of every person that they'd killed up to that point in time on a hard drive. So the photo of the dead photos that we're talking about earlier, like facial shots, 'cause you had to take a photo of everyone you killed for evidence and whatever the cops do, chain of custody and evidence and AARs and whatnot. He kept all that on a personal drive and kept it at home. And not judging, soldiers, some people into some weird shit. Some people got some weird kinks man, but that's a bit okay. So he's Mrs. left him and she took all this stuff, including the hard drive. Then she tried to extort $50,000 out of the CO and AAR, a sem of the SASR in order for them to buy the hard drive back. So she could go and buy whatever she wanted, some lawn and a chain or some stuff. - Also she got the hard drive, tried to sell it back to the unit. - She sure did. And this came out in the trial and they said, so what happened after that person 14? I was removed from Ben's patrol and fucked off to that other squadron. Okay, so the three witnesses that claim they said he did something, have all been removed from Ben's unit. - Well, Ben's unit, but they're Ben's team, Ben's patrol. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And put somewhere else. Some just, you know, one or two troops away for another senior operator to assess them if they were suitable or not. And they were not suitable. So ultimately they all ended up not in a green role, somewhere else. And again, they're upset about it. You would be upset about it because you're upset at yourself. You let yourself down, but you're more upset that you let your team down. And if there's any way that I could get back at RS one day, I'm gonna take it. And then you've got other individuals that just, there was no shortage of people that showed up in the trial that were just like, didn't see anything. So predominantly people didn't see anything. So there was, I think I actually think in total there was about 81 witnesses. 'Cause person 81 showed up. And I know who that is and we'll talk about him later. But for the most part, in amongst all these numbers are Ben's friends, a random like ex-lovers and mistresses and people that literally got on the stand for five minutes like, I don't know why I'm here. I mean, I wasn't there. You know, some people like Andrew Hastie, they were there on the stand and they were publicly there, but he was never in two squadron. Why is he on the stand? He's never seen Ben operate. He's never been on a job with Ben and these boys. So why? So Andrew Hastie has stood in court against Ben Robert Smith. If you read the testimony from Andrew Hastie, he's talking about a friend of a friend said, was having a sad day and I said, what's going on? So a third or fourth witness again. Yeah, and he testified against Ben on basis of a third or fourth witness account. Yeah, which was strange. Not even first hand. No, not first hand. Hastie didn't see anything first hand. No, I'm pretty sure, you know, you'll have to words to the effect of. Yeah, it's all the dude in the hallway and was like, hey man, you look a bit disheveled and old mate's like, yeah, but Ben's giving me a bloody hard time and that was Hastie's whole thing. So yeah, Hastie's being attacked in the media right now for testify against Ben. Oh, no, no, no. And he was subpoenaed. He's not going to attack in the media. He's going to attack on social media. Correct. But all the media. All the media outlets out there, they seem to be loving and frothing over this for some reason. Well, he did go on 60 minutes with Nick McKenzie and told him about how the time he accidentally killed two kids. Yeah. And that's horrible. Honestly, that's horrible mistakes happen in war and I'm not judging the man. He obviously took it very rough. He was crying on national TV. But to then chip someone for war crimes up to two kids with a hell of fire. Bit rich. That'd be like me coming out and saying, oh, you swear too much brother. After me dropping the sea bomb for an hour on your podcast. Like the podcast for the podcast on Kettle Black? Yeah, yeah. Because I believe accidentally killing two children is maybe a war crime. Yeah. But anyways, so then this was going on and on and on. And then so I think it's probably then important. So now everyone's realized that after I did another podcast that maybe these witnesses are not as reliable as what everyone thinks they are. Because that was the biggest pushback last week when everyone kept saying to me, but 21 witnesses, 21 witnesses. Yeah, no. And I knew from, I didn't even think it needed to be addressed, but it did because there's a lot of people out there that really want to see Ben Robert Smith go away. These Australia hating left wing commentators, they hate us and they want to see the destruction of our national pride and they want to get bent. They want to see bend behind bars for life. All these people that have never seen a day of action in their life, they've probably never been in a fight, to be honest. Let's let's be honest with that. They've probably never been in a fight and they want to see him behind bars. But the biggest case that they can, came out and said, "There's 21 witnesses, 21 witnesses, 21 witnesses." And it's like, "Well, no, it's not any, it's not what you think it is." - No. - It's not. - And everyone, every one of those witnesses saw a different piece of the puzzle. So the judges trying to put it all together. No one was there on every single job, every single allegation. That's just not how it works. One dude was there in 2009, and another dude saw something in 2012. Haste of you heard something in a hallway about the 2009 incident, and you know, it was all just like piece together, but ultimately the judge decided that there was enough evidence there for Nick McKenzie and Chris Masters to be able to write an article about it. And, you know, to be honest, I don't know much about the legal system, but that makes sense to me. There wasn't enough to say he committed war crimes, and he did all these things, and he should be prosecuted. It was like this minor standing of it that the journalist had enough to write an article about it because all these sucks in the SAS came forward that hated Ben and colluded together, and got together and went to see their RSM. And, you know, why didn't these allegations come out in 2009 when this first allegedly happened? Why the day of the race instead doing the AAR, they should have been in the RSM's office? Why didn't this happen in 2012 on the next deployment when allegedly all these other things happened? And allegedly Ben kicked a hank off first off the cliff. Where were all these boys then? This only came out 10 years later, once Ben had left the unit. And once person four, who was the person that was following Ben up the main drag of TZAC when he won his VC, holding his pocket, bravest fuck, don't get me wrong, I never did it. But he's griped the whole time during his testimony. He's just basically asking the crowd, "Can I have a VC too?" - Really? - Yeah, so I've looked into that. And all these notes, everything I'm saying is documented in federal court. It has to be kept now. - John the defamation trial? - Yeah, for 100 years. Like they have to keep it in a box somewhere. And I'll just listen to this cooked unit, talk about the fact that he deserves a VC. Like the dude that goes over the trenches seconding Gallipoli to bayonet some Turks. He doesn't get the VC, the guy that went first did because he's willing to lay down his life for the dudes behind him. It's very rare that the dude that came over the trenches second gets the VC. - Well, no one cares about the second man on the moon, do they? - No, no, who is he? - Do we even go there? - No, I'm still it. But yeah, so. - But that's a reality of this situation. Yes, the second man was very, very brave also, but the first man was Ben. - Yeah. - And the second man, he was doing his job. - He gave him a medal of gallantry. He's got post-nominals. You're a fucking hero dude. If you rock around with one of those at Anzac Day, everyone knows. - Yeah, everyone knows. - Yeah, and for all the lady listeners out there, you see a jacked up dude in a suit wearing an orange colored medal. That's the one you want to take home. - Do you, are you just going to wear one now? - Yeah, I'm going to buy one. - Stoll and Valor. Yeah, maybe we could make some merch. Just like medals of gallantry for the boys. - Yeah, I'm actually going from my Ben Robotsmith merch to come in from zero limits. - I should have brought it for you. - On it. - And a limit. - Yeah, that would be nice. - But yeah, look, so it was an absolute dump. The trial was an absolute dumpster fire. But many of his mates, dudes that I respect and look up to, got on the stand and said, that's not how it bloody happened. It happened like this. And there was a lot of pushback. But because these dudes are a bit looser, had a few pissed related incidents and maybe wore a fancy dress costume at the fat ladies' arms or whatever, they were discredited for that. And the judge said, well, they're unreliable witnesses. I'm not going to listen to them. But I tell you, to me, sounded like a reliable witness. Dude, I think it was Person 81, which again, you can Google, do you home ladies and gents? He was the current serving CEO of the SASR regiment, a Colonel. And during the main allegation, where Ben machine gun allegedly do with a prosthetic leg, he was standing in the middle of the compound, which is no bigger than probably half a basketball court. And I'll give you the photos. You can have a good look at them and do what you will with them. You can see all the operators going through the rubble. And this officer is there in the middle of the compound, having a meeting with all the seniors about what we do next. He said he didn't see a fucking thing. This is the Colonel. This is the CEO of the SASR is saying, I did not see it, I think it did not happen. It blatantly did not happen. The incident where Ben machine gun of DTNE did not happen. But they believed they believed the digger. Because he said, no, I, out of the corner of my eye, heard some gunshots turn around and I saw something and that's what it was. And everyone's like, we're just gonna pay off the, the CEOs view on this. You know, they want a very senior individual in defense. A Colonel is saying this blatantly didn't happen. - And running the SAS. And implementing all these changes and the new changes after the report dropped about war crimes and accountability. And he's saying, none of this happened. And this is, so let's talk about Whiskey 108. So Whiskey 108 is the cover term for that job where Ben's allegedly shot a dude with an old Gimp leg. - Okay, so this is one of the incidents that he's been charged for murder with. - The main incident. So we'll talk about this one. And then we'll talk about Darwin, the cliff incident. - Okay, so Whiskey 108. - Darwin was 2012 or something. - 2012, so I think? - Yeah, that's when I was over in African. - Yeah, yeah. I'll still lead learning or my trade in Holes Worthy. - Thanks for your service, Sam. - Appreciate what you did. - You're welcome, thank you. - Yeah, you made my life a lot easier, taken out all those bad things. So I could walk around taking selfies on all the features. But Whiskey 108, so let's get into it. So what I think it was Easter Sunday actually. So very, very timely around now. 2009. So the SAS are coming back from a mission. And they get a frantic call from seven hour hour. The battle group, I think Task Force Tusk, they're sitting up on a feature with Aslabs. And they're laying into this compound that's shooting at them. Machine gun fire, RPGs, small arms. They're trying to kill the seven hour hour diggers up on the top of the hill. And this is a couple of weeks after I think they lost, Hopkins, one of the zombies. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think I might have been around that time. - Maybe, yeah. - Apologies if we got that wrong. - Yeah, Apologies like there's 41 years and I can't even remember what I had for breakfast. Love yous. But so, so the boys are hooking in. There's a proper good old fashioned gun fight. Task Force Tusk come over the radians say, please, SAS help us. They might overrun us. We're tactically withdrawing with Aslabs while firing. And the SAS are rolling past in bushmasters just coming home. They've already got their multi-cam dressing gowns on and multi-cam slippers. And they get the call over the radio. Can you help these diggers there in trouble? No dramas, that's what they're there for. They hop out, they dust off their multi-cam slippers, they push their strippers off them. Tannuza, I gotta get out. I've got a job to do. That's a joke, by the way. Literally. And then they start advancing to this compound called Whiskey 108. They get to almost Whiskey 108. And there's still a lot of machine gun fire coming from Whiskey 108. So the J-Tack drops a J-DAM, a bomb, into the middle of that compound. And that kept everyone pretty quiet in that compound. So no matter what happens next, seven hour hour I've said that whatever's happening in that compound, those individuals in that compound are so dangerous, we need to beg the SAS for help. Seven hour hour don't like hearing that story 'cause they're gonna go, oh, go on, we're brave too. And you were brave, but for whatever reason, that's the reality of what happened. The SAS came in, they dropped a bomb, they took out that compound. And now it's just rubble inside. Then as they're approaching the compound, I think it's person 8 in in the trial, Caesar dude walking, limping out of the compound, limping. And he shoots him dead. And he would later go on to testify against Ben Robert Smith and say, he shot an unarmed person, my brother, my brother and Christ, he shot someone for limping, he didn't have a weapon. But both legal teams, Ben and Nick McKenzie's legal teams, just like whatever, that killed, we were not here to talk about that one. - Oh, we weren't talking about that one. - We weren't talking about that one. I'll make literally said in his testimony, like, oh yeah, he was walking with a limp, so I shot him, 'cause he might have been carrying something heavy. I'm like, man, I got a bad knee, I'll walk with a limp. Don't shoot me, brother. I'm not gone a perth if you're on the range. But anyway, so that takes place. Eventually they go into the compound. And according to Person 81, that then see of the SASR, he says, there was no one inside there. People were clearing tunnels and whatnot, and there's speculation about who was doing what, and what was found in the compound, but at the end of the day, there was an engagement outside of the compound. And the a Colonel said, now, that was legit, like nothing happened inside the compound. There's no insurgents in there. Blah, blah, blah, blah. - So the fabrication of the story that you're telling us right now is a lie? - Well, yeah, according to many people that were there. And I'm just a journalist. I'm just an investigative journalist listening to the trial, listening to the testimony. And I was like, well, there's definitely conflict here. One dude saying he saw Ben machine gonna do to death. The CEO of that unit was like, no, that did not happen at all. And everyone else was saying, no, that didn't happen. The dude was running away from the compound and the boys in the court and saw him and shot him and he ended up being an elderly male with obviously couldn't run very fast. He had a prosthetic leg. - But also at the end of the day, there was that fierce of a gunfire happening in that seven-hour area I had to call in there. Say, yes, yes, yes, yes, drop a bomb. So whoever easing that compound, whoever. - You were dangerous. - No, they were innocent civilians. Everyone in that compound was an innocent civilian. - You can't tell me, after sitting there for a couple of hours, I don't wanna, I don't wanna downgrade it seven hour at all, but they would fight and back pretty intensively. So they had to call the SSS, came in, dropped the bomb, and whoever was down there was a bad guy. - Yeah. - That's like, okay, people say okay. So now the story's changed, right? And then this witness 19, you say? - 18, I believe. - Yeah, so witness 18 said that supposedly he dropped someone with a limp. - Yeah. - But then he was saying that he, or someone else was saying that Ben dropped someone with a limp. - Yeah, yeah, so it's all very confusing. - And then the CEO of the unit, or the OC, whatever he is, came out and said, no, no, that didn't happen. - Yeah. - Not that way. - Yeah, very odd. And then they extracted, and the AAR, the, this is 2009. - So this is one of the murder incidents. - This is one of the murders that Ben's in jail right now in silver water. - To me, it sounds like a fabricated lie. - Yeah, to me it does too. And I know people that were there, and they're highly regarded, and they're real, when you picture an SAS dude, these are the dude on Ben's side. When you listen to them talk, you'll hear the difference between the dude on 60 minutes, and some of the boys when they have any yarn at the pub, you can tell the difference. You can tell who were the hitters and who weren't. And that's just the reality. So that's one allegation. So now let's fast forward to 2012. - Okay, well just before we start. So that first allegation, beyond the reasonable doubt, there's a lot of doubt there for me. - Oh yeah. - So to me that gets thrown out. - Yeah, well the J-Tack and pilot. - Especially with nobody, no name. There's no forensics. There's no bullet casings. There's nothing. There is nothing. And you have the CEO of the unit saying it never happened. - And when they extracted, they put five more bombs. Five more J-Dams into the middle of the compound to wipe it out. So one of the boys said, the only thing that was left in that, what evidence, what crime scene analysis they're gonna get. All that was left was burnt dirt. - It's probably 10 foot under rubble right there. - It is. Yeah. - With a couple of bad dudes with AK-47's, RPGs, and whatever else they were shooting at seven hour out with. So there were bad dudes. They weren't innocent people. - Congratulations folks, where at war? There are bad guys. You know, I heard last night. I heard last night, and I forgot to mention on my rule this morning that they were saying, "Oh no, once the battle space has calmed down, "not in a war zone anymore." Hey, dipshit. Every single time you go outside the wire, you are at war. Doesn't matter if it's at the end of the battle, the start of the battle, or you didn't even get in the battle. When you go outside the wire, you're in war. When you are inside the wire, matter of fact, you are still at war. There are still elements that are trying to kill you, that have infiltrated the Afghan National Army, that are Taliban soldiers. So when you are over in Afghanistan, you are at war. So these bags of shit last night, they tried to tell me that we are not at war when the gunfight has settled down. Fuck you. - It's not a police situation where there's a containment line. - It's like, we're not in the middle of Australia. We're over in Afghanistan. - I know, definitely of two times where I left the enemy compound after we thought it's all over for extraction, and I got absolutely blasted by the Taliban. Machine gunfight, accurate, like, lead wasps, zippin' by my head, my butt puckering. Like, almost got killed multiple times, but two of them was certainly from coming out of a compound thinking, okay, that's it, let's knock off head back to the gym, get the uber in, the heel-o to pick us up, and that's when we got blasted on extraction many times. - And that's why you would have put the five J-Tak bombs into the compound after they're done. - Absolutely. - Because you happen to hear once and you learn from it right, you never let it happen again. - Yeah, and one of the dudes actually there on the day in WISC-108, one of the guys told me last night that he was actually shot in that compound years prior, to say in like 2008, while on their first deployment, he's like, I actually remember this compound. The boys in this compound shot me last time. - Yeah, right. - And that is insane. I don't think that's come out yet, 'cause he just told me and I was even like, wow. - You know, there's just so many, I've, you know, I was on the phone a lot last week. It's so many stories that come out from this and it's like, oh, wow, that wasn't told during the defamation trial. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - And it is buried in some of the articles you might look over these articles of WISC-108 down in the fine prints, like, and also, Persona 81 said none of this happened. But like, yeah, tomorrow's a new day. - Yeah. - It's like, okay, I get it, you're journalists and you get paid off clickbait and a headline and that grabs people and that means you get employed and you get a walkly award and you're a steam journalist. But there's obviously two sides to every story and I'm not, I wouldn't be defending these boys if I didn't, if I thought they were doing the whole village and murdering innocent women and children and innocent people. But I've just told the story of what actually happened according to federal court documents happened at WISC-108 and why I've been to jail for one of the murders. And yeah, there's always a bit of speculation there. So let's go to Darwin. - Darwin was the cliff incident. - The cliff. - The cliff. - And I know a little bit more about this one because I was there probably not long after the cliff incident, I was standing at the cliff. And I can tell you right now, I'll send you the photos, I might do a little cheeky post on the gram. It wasn't a cliff, it was like a small hill and that's where the sense, when I first read the article, it lines up like, okay, here we go. - So it's light straight away. - So light straight, it's a sensationalism. Like I've got photos of the hill. They just, on 60 minutes last night showed the hill. It's not a cliff. And the videographer that went there was like, it was a sheer cliff and I was standing there picturing, imagine someone getting kicked and flying down this cliff. Have you never been to the gap in Sydney? Like do you know what a cliff looks like? So it's not a cliff. I was like, imagine your front yard has a big slope out the front of it. This is where allegedly that incident took place. I was probably a hundred meters off that, overlooking the compound in 2013. So we got sent back there, no reports of any cliff kicking incidents. We got two commander, got sent back to the exact same house to do a job in 2013. And I got the photos of it. And when I saw it on the news, I was like, I remember that, compound. And it's in a place called Darwin, which is at the top of a valley called Shahidia Sus. And I know you're in Afghan linguist, but that means Valley of the Martyrs, where their best fighters live in Afghanistan. Valley of the Martyrs, Shahidia Sus. And you know, imagine if we had a place here where we are in Sydney called Valley of the V.C. winners, where all our military members were tied to. And you wanted to go assault that. You'd have a hard time, right? Like these are where their best fighters are. I believe like many, many engagements happen in that valley. And we were there a lot. So first of all, everyone in that village in the Valley of the Martyrs is a bad dude. Is a bad dude. Just like I said. Yeah, dude, you go outside the wire, you are assuming everyone's a bad guy. Yeah, especially when they strap 15 kilos worth of 13 yards and blow them sky high. That's right. They're not bad guys. And I wasn't there for the cliff incident. And I'm not a CS. We're the tier one unit. They're the tier two. Just almost there. And so, you know, we're gonna have a lot of people angry you are to this one. Why you defend these words and rip them? But I was there in an OP above the compound, the cliff compound where it happened. And I'm looking down and the photo of it, I'm in the shade. I'm in a shadow. And that's because there's a rocky outcrop there. And I was literally hiding behind a rock. It was the first time I pretty much bitched out. It was towards the end of our deployment. And we're in that same village. And all the intelligence coming through and my interpreter is hiding in a ball next to me. And he took a photo of him. Me and he said, they're gonna kill us. They're looking at you. They're talking about you. Like they can see you're mullet. And I was like, what? And he's like, yeah. They're talking about you above the compound in the rocks. I'm on the ground. They're looking at you right now. They're about to kill you. And I start slowly just like casually not trying to show the boys I was scared, but scooching in behind a rock. And when he took the photo, I'm in a shadow. And I got my finger on the trigger looking back at him. And it's the scariest I've probably ever been in my life. Honestly, and then like we've jumped out, you know, night time, DZ 10,000 feet at night, NVG jumps. And that's confronting sometimes. But like, it was the first time I think I actually thought above Ali Jans compound, I was about to die. I was about to get hit with a machine gun. And I was like, well, fuck, we were to stay here. And everyone went to ground. And eventually the partner force was so scared that we fled down, we didn't even go into the green belt. To come on, though, called for the heelers back. And we got the fuck out of there. And this is the alleged incident site where they're just Afghan villages, innocent Afghan villages. So they pretty much got the Afghans greater soldiers. Yeah, so I don't know. In this village. And they're just innocent villages. Yeah, so one of the villages that testified against Ben. I want to talk about these guys. Yeah, like he, so he saw this incident happen in, in Darwin. He was watching it from across the creek bed. And then he's cross examination is like, well, to be honest, I'm like 80 years old. Or he's probably, you know, like 35 in Afghan years, which is kind of like dog years, you know. You gotta have fucking time seven or whatever dog is. And this dude's like, I can't even see my own dick when I piss. I can't see that well. Yet he could spot RS fly kicking someone off a cliff 300 meters away across the creek bed. And that was his testimony. So he got cross examine for a bad eyesight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're seeing him for 300 meters away. And I'm pretty sure the judge, it pretty sure was like, okay, buddy, you know, yeah, okay, buddy. And so a few of these witnesses are back here now living in Australia. Afghan nationals. Afghan nationals. From the Valley of the Marders. Okay, so like pretty much the, the place where they house all their greatest fighters. - Yeah, Afghan Taliban fighters. - Yeah, one's an Uber driver in Adelaide. We're tracking him. And when the extraction happened from Kabul and a lot of our service personnel bravely went over there, when bombs had gone off, killing all these Marines on the fence and we had a number of our Air Force, SAS dudes, Commandos, conventional forces, edges all there extracting all these poor innocent Afghan people that were gonna be beheaded by the Taliban. I guarantee you a few other people on that plane were the witnesses. And the reason why I know is, is because one allegedly, one of the major networks paid for a year's accommodation in Kabul for these families. And they'll wonder which network that is. - Look, I don't know, mate. I'm not a journalist. But so these individuals were staying at a nice safe hotel, so the Taliban didn't come in and kill them because they're cooperating now with white-faced Western Christians or Jews, whatever, whatever denomination you believe in. The Taliban weren't happy with that. Even though they're actually coming to Australia to allegedly prosecute Australian soldiers, the Taliban weren't too happy with that. So they needed bodyguards. And that network allegedly approached a company that does private security over in Afghanistan. And a lot of the dudes that run the private security teams for the embassies are X-Strains soldiers. Aussies, Aussie diggers that have chasing the big bucks on the embassy contract gigs. - And obviously we know them 'cause we're good friends of them. - Yeah, so a few of them reached out and said, "Hey, I was one of the guys bodyguarding those guys at their hotel before we extracted them back to Australia." - So there was a media outlet in Australia that paid a lot of money to get these guys protect as to bring them back to Australia. So they're prosecuted against Ben Roberts-Muth. - That's what people are saying. And then one of the guys said, well, these Afghans were, they didn't have much money. So every now and then we'd buy a mechanical fanner or buy whatever they needed. They smoked some bum and a durry out the front of the hotel while they were there for a year. And they started to develop a bit of Stockholm syndrome and they started hanging out with the bodyguards more and some of them conversing. Eventually they were told like how much money they're gonna be given and all the things that they've been promised in Australia. And the boys- - To prosecute against Ben. - Yeah. And the boys, the diggers that are now bodyguards, recorded it all. They got video footage, they got audio files of it. - You know what, you really? - Yeah. (laughing) So, so there's a video footage out there. That's, I'll be careful with this. There's video footage out there. - Allegedly. - Allegedly. Recorded of these guys allegedly saying that they are going to be given money and a great life if they talk up against Ben. - Yeah. - Ooh, that is a, ooh. - Be careful with the bass. - Yeah, be careful. So, now these are the witnesses. These are the 21 witnesses in this trial that everyone keeps talking about in the comments. So, and I don't know who knows if it's true and how much money it was, but I know I accidentally broke an Afghan man's window once on a job. Actually, I put my bowel through it and he ended up being a good guy and we gave him 20 bucks, 20 US dollars and he was, I've never seen a man cry that much. He was like, he just saw his first son get born or whatever. He, 20 dollars went a long way in his valley and I can only imagine what. - 20 US. - 20 US. - Whoa, a US goes a long way in Australia now, Matt, as well. - True, yeah, true. So, yeah, man, I, when a lot of people, before I got canceled the first time, it's, yeah, I was getting a lot of these messages coming through from the boys like, hey, we're watching the trial. Just saying, no, like, I was bodyguarding these guys. So, come forward. - Boys, okay. - Okay, so Ben's in jail. - 'Cause the first one with the seven hour hour boys, I mean, there is massive holes in that story and there's very contradicting points as well. The second one that you just told sounds like a guy that seems to be 80 years old, that can't see past his dick, has somehow seen Ben kick someone off with cleaf from 300 meters away. - Yeah, and one of his teammates did testify that I think he saw it as well. However, that dude is a raging alcoholic and it's well known like he's not well in the head. And it's not, I don't think, as you've said it before, like, you've done it on your wheels, like CTE's a real thing. PTSD's a real thing. I'm not a big mental health advocate. Men have muscles, not feelings, but hey, other people will agree that people aren't doing too well from everything that's come out. - But when you run through, what run this through court, right, and the defamation trial was probability. Now it's beyond reasonable doubt. - Yeah, yeah. - So you can't sit there and cross-examiner and then go to the jury and say, okay, what's going on here? And on top of that, that's in the jury. Then they push everyone out of the room, that's not required, and they go into a closed court room where the top secret stuff happens. And the jury's gonna have to go in there and listen to like they did in the defamation case. And in the top secret room, there's actually evidence in the top secret trial, especially for the villager Darwin, that acquits Ben, I feel. There's clear evidence that I read that I don't think their prosecution understands the reporting, the signals and intelligence reporting. There's several key things in that that actually almost exonerate all the other 19 dudes that are accused of war crimes. There's like, oh, this incident here clearly says unanimously from an external source, a drone, that potentially he was telling the truth because this happened over here at this time when he alleges it did, and the judge is saying it probably didn't happen. I don't think that that's why I was a little bit involved because lawyers, even if they're accused, say they're not expected to understand signals and intelligence reporting from Afghanistan 10 years ago. So it gets a little bit murky and tricky, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that all there was a bad dude in the creek line shooting at the boys and looking at them. And at the time that they were there at that compound and it's murky, it's a very murky. It's not clear cut. - No. - This is the thing, like, okay, keep saying, beyond reasonable doubt. It's just so much doubt here. Even if you were a left-wing commentator, you listen to his podcast. - Yeah. - Okay, so you've only heard the Nick McKenzie side. - Yeah. - You know, the 60 minutes, these poor people. - Like, really? - And why were the SAS in Taiwan? Ask yourself that. Do the SAS just been Robert Smith like wake up in the morning, crack his fingers, do some pushups and get in his laptop and go, all right, where are we going today boys? Let me look at the map. No, you get intelligence from back in Canberra, which potentially comes from the NSA in America and they develop the target packages. You go where you're told. The SAS and two Commando, we don't go and hit a house that there's no intelligence on. Why were the SAS there at that house, surrounding that house and why did they, why did they get into these gun fights? Why were there that specific house? Ask yourself that. Ask to see the report. What was the reporting on that house? Will that come out in trial? Probably not because it's at the top secret level. It's in close court. If people knew what the individuals in that house were saying and doing and planning, then again, they're not innocent people. Whatever happened happened. I don't know. I wasn't there. Whether it was engaged by gunfire or kicked down a cliff or whatever, I don't know. But what I do know is that the evidence that suggests that that house, everyone in that house was harboring the individual. It's almost clear as day that shot the three soldiers, Heckmatua. Yep. I remember that bag of shit. Objective jungle effect. Yep. We went out looking for him for like three months. That's right. And if you see him and you're a member of the SAS and he's on the J-Pel, he's the objective, objective jungle effect. If he is seen, does he need to be armed? No. No. What if he doesn't have a weapon? He's still murdered three of my mates. Yeah. And he's prosecutable because at all times, ROE 429 permits that he is taking a direct part in hostilities. That's the legal part of it. That's the legal part. That was he murdered three of my mates. Yeah, he did. And that bag of shit, Heckmatua, it is still roaming free in Afghanistan now, being a hero over there. Yeah. Apparently a hero. He's called slaughter three of my mates. But with the addition of the drone technology, some of the Aussie diggers are finding over in our Ukraine right now. And they're bringing those technologies now to other nations. And some of these drones that we've got, they can fly a few thousand kilometers. And look at the Shahids that are flying around hitting AMAG from Iran. They've got that technology in Iran and wouldn't it be ashamed if some of these boys coming home instead of getting thrown in jail for helping the Ukrainians fight, send a couple of drones up from the sea. Lord come to Afghanistan. Yeah. Would that be interesting? I still think to myself most days that they get that guy still walking around. Yeah. It still bugs me. Yeah. It would. You know, I think I've said this on a podcast before. If I didn't have my wife and my kids in the life I live now would probably go over and yeah. Fish on. Yeah. He doesn't deserve to be breathing. Yeah. And it's who we are and we back our mates. Some people dog their mates. But the majority of Australian soldiers back their mates. Have you heard the story of Ben Robert Smith on that night? The 29th of August? Do you want me to, I'll quickly tell for you. Please do. So what happened on the 29th of August was Heckman Tournament was an Taliban soldier infiltrated the Afghan National Army which partnered with the Australian Defence Force. And he was only in there for about three weeks. Right. Because set sent out to patrol base Wahib and after a patrol one day all the Australian soldiers were getting ready for bed, fuel and were playing cards. He walked up from his Afghan National Army position because we used to share the same base because we could part do partner patrols And it was lucky right because he went to go grab a PKM a Machine gun but the machine gun said no, I'm not gonna give it to you So he only walked up with his AK-47 and that machine gun had something like 200 rounds click to it or 150 rounds We've 7 6 2 so if he got a hold of that it wouldn't have been 3 would more would have been more like 15 Blokes killed but he emptied his AK-47 clip shot three of my mates injured two more Brutal scene guys on my podcast have told the story from the first hand account and a lot of times I don't want to steal the story from them But if you want to go back and listen to J-Toop Matthew French or Corey Neal any of those podcasts they're brilliant hand-eye and sorry the first hand account of it is brutal but Anyway the first team to fly out was RS and his team He came in got the whole scene under control you feel like imagine just you know 15 First time Diggy's gone over to Afghanistan Lids and we're all young. Yeah, you know Martin was 20 years old when he died. Mm-hmm. Cody was 23 My loss of which was older late 30s, but he had two kids at home. No one kills a man named Milo and gets away with it That's it. I know Love my Milo Thanks for putting a bit of laughter into my story. Sorry, but Yeah, the first time to fly out was been this team he took the whole scene under control because you know everyone was rattled rattled and After the scene got under control RS turned to one of the boys and said which way did he run? He said he ran that way and there's a village down there with a green bell and in the middle of the night I always grabbed his stuff ran down into the village by himself and Did a salt by himself on the village to try and find the guy in the middle of the night with no team around him I'm telling you right now for any digger out there You know that you don't go outside the wire or anyone playing at home You do not go outside the wire if you're just a normal military personnel a normal Run a normal Australian soldier a normal infantryman. You don't go outside the wire and anything less than 15 to 20 plugs You don't and then you go in the middle of the night When you need this incident happen and when there are potentially people waiting down there to get you an ambush But Ben Robert Smith grabbed his shit ran down there and tried to find the guy for half an hour to an hour for what it sounds Ran back up couldn't find him told the boys gave him some very reassuring messages and lifted the spirits Yep, and then we got the boys flew him out of the chopper and then they came back to tk where I was yeah And that's the incident That's started Yeah, you know a manhunt in Afghanistan for a heck of a taller That's why I was in Taiwan that's why Ben Robert Smith was in Taiwan. Yep Yep exactly. So when people say he murdered this he murdered that let's start at stalk about heck of a taller Who murdered who yeah and who's walking freely now yeah? Who murdered who who started the murder heck until there's live and large with five child boys in Inkibal doing horrendous things to what they do to young boys over there and our asses in maximum security Make it make sense fuck you yeah, and our ass was one of those dudes like I met him a lot of times and he provided a lot of guidance and Sort of maybe some mentorship in the early days when I was a young young buck. Hmm think it else killing it because I'm a fucking a big dog commando mate 23 years old whatever but Having dudes like him like the dudes that I looked up to and mentors were like RS and we had plenty of dudes like RS I'm sure you've met him and heard about him through your cousin In the second tomato regiment and having a dude like RS on the hillow when you look around the hillow and you're on a job It was like you know hopping in a warm sleeping bag knowing that you had these dudes with you. Hmm, you know You'd look some do's on the hillow like Maybe not that guy But the majority of dudes that had that same persona as RS You felt very comfortable like if it goes loud she gets a bit real out there. I'm glad he's there If he wasn't there, I'd probably a little bit more scared. I probably have an extra couple of mags But because I know this dudes there I feel genuinely like pretty good about what's gonna happen on target Yeah, yeah, and and dudes like Ben you know, there's plenty of people in his troop and patrol but dudes like Ben or what brought all the other boys home. You know like there's plenty of dudes out there doing their job But there's like one dude that will bring everyone home and that's a dude like Ben. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, and Yeah after after the after the 29th of August incident and then to here You know the Darwin incident but what it stem from but it seems to me like there was no incident No, and so there's one more incident. There's one more that Ben one of the five murder charges or You know directing someone else to murder was that they're in a house Whatever happens happens and the occupant of that compound is killed enemy killed in action Another innocent civilian. Well, what happened was one of Ben's biggest haters testified on the stand that They were searching the compound and he could see on the mud compound wall that's been there for 2000 years. It's rock sole. It looks like concrete. There's a wet patch And he walked up to it and kicked it the wet patch with his boot The wall crumbled and all these weapons fell out of it So they heard the heroes coming and after shooting at the boys They stuck their guns in the wall and ied is in the wall and put mud over it to cover it But you know we went to high school maybe in nine was good enough to understand like you can see the difference between a 2000 year old mud wall and a muddy Thing drooping off the side of a wall and the individual that was in that compound was subsequently killed and that's one of the Points of contention was the was he killed as a prisoner? I was he killed in a gunfight But I'll tell you what he wasn't an innocent person. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean like So yeah, the witnesses are shit counts. They're not good people. They're not good soldiers. They never were piss off not credible The people that are saying iris was just out there murdering innocent civilians is just not not true because yes They were civilians all the Taliban are civilians, but they were certainly not innocent Mm-hmm, and that's pretty important whatever happened happened and that will play out in court on imagine And it's not my fight like it's it's up to all these SF influences especially if you're a SAS Why so quiet right now? Yeah, maybe you're selling something you selling a cross-fripped program or a service or or a supplement or a book or something and and you would rather do that than actually um Join the fight and actually stick up for one of your bros, but yeah a lot of people were brave on the stand testifying against iris But very few were brave in combat I think they'll find it to be different these days In regards to um, I mean definitely brave in brave in coming or more brave in coming out and speaking out against him not brave in combat But I think the narrative is shifted. There's a A lot more appetite out there now to stand behind Ben yeah a lot more appetite out there now. Yeah Your average Aussie is not liking the way the country is heading And we are not liking the way the attack on is happening on our veteran community even heston Russell You know shout to history great guy editing extra gunshots into his footage by the ABC like this is now starting to come to surface It's like okay, so there is a clear attack on our veteran community. Yeah, why are you coming after our veteran community? Yeah, it seems to me it will be coordinated doesn't it and they've given him I know $400,000 for clearly lying about his allegations in Afghanistan yet. I don't think they've come out and said sorry. No, they just said it was an editing error Yeah, okay, I like I'm telling you right now. I like I edit every single day. That that's a be editing area Yeah, that's a that that's like you can't happen. Yeah, whoops. I'm sorry. It's not happening. Yeah, and you did that in purpose and those guys are still under So one of Hesto's platoon members, you know got his house rated a couple of weeks ago and they're still copying it So you think Hesto's one Hesto's cleared the platoon's name. He's done an honorable thing by taking the fight to the ABC and winning Think it's all over and if you've got mental health issues from 10 years ago when you served in Afghanistan and the things you saw And you're just a dad now you're trying to get over it. You're working or not working whatever you're doing You try to move on with your life and they come and rage your house And they want you to talk to them and by now we've got good legal advice and we say no comment Take what you want we don't care. I do not recall. I do know. I call well. I'm not even gonna I'm not even gonna they know my name you know my name if you want to take me jail take me to jail But um we've learned now the hard way of Good legal advice and through all of this No psychologist or psychiatrist or Raky or whatever Buddhism whatever you want to say he's gonna help you the only thing It's gonna help you is having a good lawyer and the defense lawyers that they give you when you're told to go and sit down and look at these photos Are dead people The defense lawyers a lot of them are reservists and in their full-time job as a lawyer in civilian street. I found out in my case His specialty isn't murder investigations. He does wills and family law court So again the best of the best of defenders of the best and you and you and I always assume that if if there's ever anything wrong doing or Investigations you're gonna get a good defense lawyer to come and help you Ah I met my lawyer appointed by defense one time and I said who roommate mm-hmm I'm gonna go And so dudes have lost their house deposits over this. You know, dudes have lost their houses. Do's have sold properties to fund their legal advice to make sure that they're covered, and they're still going through it to this day. Defense aren't helping. The OSI cooperating with defense, with the AFP and allegedly with the journalists to continue this fight against these dudes that have would have gladly laid down their life for this country. And a lot of them did. Your cousin's right there like his photo. He laid it down his life for this country. And if he was still here, he'd probably would have got his house raided by now, right? 400 dudes. There's not that many dudes in the regiment. And yeah, vibes are off. And no one from the top brass seems to be getting done for this. Nah. Ways and Angus Campbell. Yeah, well, you know, who wrote the policy, are we for tonight now? I who told us as an organization, we're allowed to shoot unarmed people at all times. Questionable. So even going back off that, if that's the ROE, rules of engagement for him on planning at home, yeah. That's your doctrine piece of law that you need to read before you go out and fight anyone over in Afghanistan. Yeah, in a targeting operation. Yeah, yeah, for you guys, for special forces. Correct. And it says that. Yeah, it does say that. So there's another individual who's in a little bit of hot water. Oliver Schultz. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Let's talk about him because, um, look, is that everything that we want to cover with, with, with Ben? Oh, there's obviously a lot more, but I don't want to, you know, you don't want to, I don't want to content, the content of court. You know, I want to have a safe trial. Because everything's going to come out of course, a fair trial. You know why they arrest him in Sydney? Because it's in Sydney, there's a base of 7% Muslim people over there. In Queensland, there's a base of 1.3% Muslim people over there. Yeah. So, the diversity change from Sydney to Brisbane? Hmm, I wonder why. I wonder why they arrested him in Sydney. Yeah. Not Brisbane. I wonder why after months of Ben Robertsmith saying, I will hand myself in. Yeah. They arrested him in Sydney. Yeah. Maybe go look at the diversity. Hmm. Alhamdulillah. Mouss. But, uh. God willing. And we won't get too much into this one because the murder trial is set for next, next year. So, if you jeopardize the case, that's a throwaway line for a lot of people that just don't want to say anything because they're working as a contractor back to defense, right? But, um, what came out in his pre-trial, that there's articles on which you can Google, which everyone kind of ignored, is that everyone's seen a video of an Australian SA soldier shooting a dude in a wheat field, right? I think, well, why? Everyone's sort. The blatant comment is another innocent civilian shop by Australian soldiers. Well, in the pre-trial, it came out that they were there to kill an objective under ROE 429 Alpha, code name, young Akira. And young Akira were sitting there having a meeting about who they're going to kill next with three of his mates. So, there's four dudes sitting in a circle. This is all publicly available. It came out in the pre-trial. The helo start roaring up the valley with a bunch of big dick ass ass operators. By the time they're two minutes out, we say audible. They're audible to the Taliban. The Taliban start legging it. This individual in a white dress splits off from his three mates. So who do you go after? Do you go after the three mates? What do you go after the one dude by himself? You go after the one. Yeah, it's 50/50. And the helo lands, the dog goes and grabs him. They're getting constant updates from everywhere. The two black hawks are throwing purple smoke grenades at this dude running tactically bounding through the field's aqueducts to try and hide from the Australian SAS operators who are encroaching on him with a dog called Quake, RRP Quake. They catch him in the field. They're known suicide bomber. It says kill first. Because it's easier to kill a suicide bomber than it is to catch a suicide bomber. Go and catch me a suicide bomber. That's why the word kill comes first in the role of the infantry for everyone and under RRE 149 alpha. It's a kill capture mission. It's easier to kill a suicide bomber that you're told to go and get. I'm not going to capture the suicide bomber. How am I going to do that? I'm going to die. I'll catch his body parts when he blows up and I can try and catch a limb from a tree or something like really? And people don't understand that. So whatever happens in trial happens. But a lot of lots come out in pre-trial to suggest that this individual, it was perfectly legal to do what the team did. And that's why it was reported that way at the time and the video came out years later. Allegedly, because a fallen soldier had all these videos on his laptop and a siege was asked to clear his laptop. The siege was told, "Hey bro, this dude has just been killed in action. We've got to send his laptop in his coffin back to his wife. Make sure there's nothing bad on it. You'll clean up." It was my laptop. There might be some training porn or some medgets, fucking doons and unspeakable things. But this dude was a hitter and I'm sure he just had like workout videos or whatever. But he had all the allegedly, this is what I heard, he had all the footage from all the different patrols and the siege instead of wiping the laptop, plugged his hard drive in, pulled all those files off and gave it to a journalist. So you're wondering why this footage is being shown on ABC News? Man. Disgusting act. But it was all a dude that was a known suicide bomber. Yeah. The context wasn't really there with that one and a lot more come out and I don't want to jeopardize anything because I honestly believe he will be found guilty and acquitted knowing what I know and what I've seen and what all the boys talk about. But that video obviously looks brutal. That's unfortunately war and there was 12,000 of those situations. We allegedly killed 12,000 Taliban fighters during that war and if you're liking sausages don't watch them get made. It's not pretty. You want to send this to war? That's what war looks like. And you'll have a veteran in the comments section saying, "I'm a veteran and I'm disgusted by seeing that." You're a veteran of what champion? You buy? You're on a ship? You're back in Australia? You're a photographer? What were you? Way in. Way in. If you've got some fucking shit to say and you understand what's going on. But if you don't understand what's going on, shut the fuck up. Well said. Respectfully. Of course. Respectfully. Shut the fuck up. No, it's just so true. So true. And now I was out of the weekend. A lot of people pulled me up over this. Oh yeah, but it did. X, Y and Z. It's like, well, you're just listening to the mainstream media. Like behind every mainstream media, there's a dude with a puppet fixing the script, telling you what they want you to hear. It's like when you get someone like yourself on and it's like, well, the first incident, I mean, that sounds absolutely false. The second incident seems to be like a dude with one eye looking from 300 meters away. That's old as hell saying he did this and he did that. But in reality, they've been told that they're going to be given maybe a cushy life in Australia if they say X, Y and Z at this trial. And there's some certain news outlet out there which facilitated the whole process. Yeah. Yeah. If you jaded operators mixed in there, they got removed from their dream job and put somewhere else and you've got yourself a walker-homes trial. Pretty crazy. Good luck proving that beyond the reasonable doubt. Yeah. Yeah. What about the Breton inquiry? Can we talk about that? Like the report? Yeah, we'll like that Breton himself. Oh. Well, I can't. Oh, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. He's a great honorable man. Yeah, Supreme Judge and he served for over 35 years. He didn't get the chance to go to Afghanistan. I heard he's a woke door. That's what I've heard. Just to give it a bit of a dexterity to all my followers out there, I heard he's a woke door. Mate, if you're an officer and you had 25, 20 years of a deployment and you served over that whole period and you didn't get a chance to go over, unlucky Breton, I'm sure you're flat out and you didn't get a chance to deploy by. But he was also told to do the Berlin Quarry's buyer Angus Campbell. There is another high ranking officer, but when Brent, Brent and did the investigation, he didn't investigate anyone on the top, on the top rank did he? No, no, no. He said that was to be a unrequited. Anyone? Anyone above the rank of Captain? Wasn't aware of anything going on outside the wire, literally. Also, also he didn't need to do any investigation of those. No, no, no. But they all got awards for being in action. Yeah. They all gave themselves nice medals, nice pushy jobs afterwards, while so pegging each other and then putting any blame onto the soldiers on the ground and just washing their hands with it, right? Yeah. In a war. Banks are shit. But in the letters, in their defense, in the horrible allegations and the letters that they sent individually, they were all in the same position. they put a number for open arms or lifeline at the bottom. So you're an absolute disgrace. You've disgraced your country, you unit, and your fellow soldiers. But call this number if you're thinking about killing yourself. Call this number while your phone is tapped. Yeah. Yeah. Shout it to the OSI. You know, there's gonna be a day right where the pendulum comes swinging down, not making any threats. I'm not doing that. This is just speaking my openly. I don't want to threaten anyone or don't think violence is going to happen. But, you know, in the context of the situation, the pendulum's going to come swinging down on these people. And after a lot of people get found, not guilty, in the current cases coming up, we're going to look to somewhere different, aren't we? Yeah. We're going to maybe look a bit higher. Yeah. I mean, like, okay. So all the evidence up there, right up the top. Yeah. No, I'm wanting to talk about that. No, I'm wanting to talk about the big dogs at the top. Yeah. And all these officers, police officers that are seconded to the officer, the special investigator, raiding our houses. They've going to have to have a reckoning with themselves, maybe on Anzac Day at 5am when they're getting ready to go and think about all the brave diggers that died in the wars. And maybe they'll look in the mirror while they get ready and have a think about what they've done. And the legacy that they're helping provide, the war fighters of our generation, by raiding their house, intimidating their families, putting listening devices on phones and in cars and hotel rooms and have a good hard look at yourself. Maybe don't go to, wait a couple of 5am, just to have a good hard look at yourself and go back to bed. Yeah. We don't want your honor. No. We don't want your pity. No. You don't deserve to be standing in the places that actual men stood for. That were supposed to stay out there. They were supposed to be at Anzac Day, but they died. That's right. There's like 15 people just got gunned down on one of my favorite beaches where I spend a lot of my time. And do you think the 100, 200 officers raiding their houses and looking at us for war crimes would maybe better used looking into these people that have slipped through the cracks that were on watch lists. They were being given guns by New South Wales Police Firearms Registry. Do you think if these police officers for the last five years weren't Sip and Brews at the OSI looking at war heroes, people that made this country a better place, that maybe these officers would have found old act cram and his dad, you know, and they could have prevented what happened. That's going to change our country forever and scares everyone. What happened that day? There were two busy going after veterans. They were all hundreds of the best detectives. So the OSI had just a bunch of police detectives from all over the country that are seconded to the AFP to do this investigation. So all your detectives are looking at Australian soldiers instead of looking at a dude whose dad's on a watch list by Aizio and they think he's going to commit a terrorist attack, but they gave the dad guns in the same address where he lives with the son. That might have got flagged by one of these detectives, had they not decided to get that little bit of extra money for working at the OSI as a secondment and to further their career. Like disgusting. - This is the shit that revolution's been made of. - Yeah, yeah. If you're at the OSI now, lock you, shut your laptop, get up, walk back to your police station and start being a real cop. Being the cop that you signed up to be, not looking at Australian soldiers who would have gladly laid down their lives for you to stop another link cafe, to stop another Kurdish chain, to stop another Bondi massacre. That's what we do it for. - Yeah. - And you know, if you've heard RS and RS isn't the only one to say this multiple times right, anyone would have gladly laid down their life over there. - Yeah. - For sure. - Well, they wouldn't have been there if they weren't willing to. - That's right. - Yeah. And then you see this sort of stuff happening. The likes of Nick McKenzie and Channel 9, on a preloaded hit piece last night. And the only reason they did that is 'cause they were losing the social media about it all last week. Every single news outlet that posted about Ben had to stop their comments because everyone, I wanna see a poll out there done by a very biased person and just say, "Do you support Ben or do you not support Ben?" I reckon it would be above 75% of people in this country would support Ben. - Yeah. - Time for the boomers to unite. - Well, everyone. The boomers and everyone. - Yeah. - If you can say that. - And it's not a left versus right thing. - Like, I know people want it to be and the left have chosen a side, but honestly, Ben's not the guy you should be going after. - If there is some terrorist that comes in and goes into your house and is holding you and your family hostage, who's the one man you could think of that would be the best person to get you and your family out of life? - Yeah. - Who's got the most runs on the board? - Ben Robertsmith. - Ben Robertsmith. - And you're trying to put him away. So if we got attacked yesterday, who's the man that you would say, lead the charge? Like if we were seriously getting attacked yesterday by a foreign force that we're gonna take this country over, who is the first person that you would turn to and be like, okay, we need veterans to come forward and fight again. You would give Ben his own personal army. - You would? - And we're trying to lock him away. - And quite literally, if your sister, your mom, your daughter is on a Kentucky tour through Vietnam and she gets grabbed by some politically motivated group and she's a hostage. There is only one group of people in this whole country that are gonna come and save you, especially journalists. Journalists are the worst for getting captured as a hostage. And when it happens, they make movies about it. The bravery of the operators that come through and save the day and get the hostage. You really wanna keep talking smack about the boys that are actually gonna save your life and the life of your family. You wanna degrade the unit to a point where it doesn't exist anymore. Who's gonna get your family back when they get grabbed? It's the recovery troop of either the SASR or the second commander regiment. Who else is gonna get him? You think D-Fat's gonna go in there with a big briefcase full of money and just pay him off? That's their plan. That's call one, option one, that doesn't always work. Yeah. So did you watch the, just before we finish up, did you watch the 60 minutes piece last night? Yeah, it was just after maths. So I was still on a high and yeah, like really excited and buzzing, you know? And what, so because I pulled out a few things of it this morning, like even some of the footage out was three squadron, not two squadron, they tried to label. A lot of it was two. A lot of the footage in the 60s. So not even the same unit. Every time they show a war crimes allegation, they show like my helmet cam footage or Hesto's helmet cam footage that they found on Instagram. So it's not even the same footage. The SAS has been killing people again and it's like, I'm the seagull of two commandos. Why are they showing my footage? I didn't do anything. Oh my God. And so then they also got person number seven and they try to label him as person X. And I'm like, why are you calling him person X? It's person seven. Yeah. It's person 69. Yeah, it's six serving. But yeah, like what are you doing? Like the dude on the stand admitted that person seven and 14 were the ones that went on 60 minutes last time. And then last night, like I'm the same guy from last time. They're both serving members of the regiment. And it didn't say much. It was nothing new. Just some dude in a multi cam shema. Really cool. I'd love to see my numbers from this podcast and then compare it to the 60 minutes. Yeah, they would have paid a hundred grand for that. And I've seen in the back year with my two phones, my $1,500 set up, more, maybe $2,000, $1,000 set up. And I'll edit to this in like four hours and get it up there tonight. I wonder my view ship to theirs. Yeah. My view ship to theirs in my back room, my back of my house. Run it up, get it out there. That'd be good. 'Cause people need to hear this. Even the journalists that are against us, like this is interesting. I feel it would be interesting for them to know this. I've offered to journalists like, "Oh, come on, your podcast." Like actual enemies. Like I'm not gonna stand up on the table on kicking the teeth. Oh my. But maybe after the podcast. Maybe after. But like, you know, it's not as clear as what they think. It's not what they want it to be. It's not a MyLay massacre. It's not the Holocaust. It's another Holocaust. They tried to, I'd just keep looking back to that, that's Nick Fuentes episode with Kim August. But I mean, last night, weren't they talking about the Nazi trials? Yeah. Yeah. That was one thing I didn't put in my rule. I remember watching a bit of it. I'm like, are they trying to compare this to Nazi Germany, 1944? Like have we really stooped to that low? Yeah. Nick McKenzie sat there and went, "All right, we're gonna get a guy in and he's gonna talk about the Holocaust." Yeah. And then we're gonna talk about Ben Robbins' myth. And you're like, "How low are you people going?" Yeah. (laughs) Ben, that's embarrassing. How low are you going? Channel nine. You're bringing up the Holocaust? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Ah, pathetic. Yeah. Pathetic. Yeah. I didn't talk about that in my rule this morning, but. Yes. I mean, I'm glad I got it out then. Yeah, good. Like it's insane what they're trying to paint it as. It's sensational. It's got everything I would move in. journalists would want to. want. It's got the big fucking alpha mouse, blood, gore, guts, violence, guns, bombs. It's got everything. It's the shit they make movies about, but we don't want to be in your movie. No. And like last time this story dropped, it was what, 2021, 2021, 2022, something like that. And there was appetite for this because there was no massive right ear leaning podcast or people out there like big chalky and myself that would come out and, and you know, fiercely defend this. Yeah. So channel nine, the Australian government, the media, they have enormously underestimated the patriotism that's coming back in Australia. And we've had enough of this shit. And that's why I'm pushing back on it massively. And that's why everyone is pushing back on it. And it's brilliant to see like you want to unite a portion of Australians out of sick of what's happening in the moment. This is it. Good. And I don't want to be, I don't want to be the voice of it or the face of it. I'm just here to help our boys throw my sport by them. And I'll let all you hitters do your thing. And I'm going to go back to surfing on the beach and eating my low, eating tens of my low straight. Yeah. Maybe we'll go down to Coles now and grab some my low and have a mile together. I love that. All right. Can we hold hands? Yeah, we can. But Mate Scrojo, thank you very much for coming on to what's cloud podcast. I'll definitely have you back on again. Maybe when this whole thing starts to push its way through court. Let's hope the best, um, screw 60 minutes, screw the government and screw all you push is out there thinking that the right thing to do is to throw Ben in jail when you don't even know the stories of what's happened. Free beer ice. Free beer ice. Thanks for listening to two wilds collide podcast. If you guys enjoyed the episode or you just enjoy what I do in general, then you can head to my website. Link is in the description where you can buy some merch or jump on my Patreon program. Watch your thoughts.