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But enough with that, let's get to the show. So earlier this year, the House of Representatives passed what's called Section 219, which would effectively create a new office that would merge the U.S. military and Israeli military kind of research, defense, industrial, basin, technology so that you further fuse what is already a pretty tight cooperation. Now over on the Senate, the NDAA has headed through that chamber, it has to pass at some point over the next several weeks or months. And so there's a live debate over whether or not that fusing of the two militaries is going to take place. Now one of the main arguments that defenders of the bill make is that this is actually America first because it is a huge benefit to the United States to partner with the Israeli military, which is one of the most innovative in the world. That is the argument. One, two of the programs that are actually held up as central to that argument are known as the Arrow Missile Defense Program and also Iron Beam. Iron Beam in particular really gets people's attention because it is this new laser technology that Israel says that it developed to be able to knock missiles out of the sky. But to anybody in Washington is going to sound extraordinarily impressive. Wow, laser warfare, amazing. And so Obertazzo Hussein and I over and put this element up on the screen over at Dropside News looked very closely at these two programs, how they were funded, who came up with the ideas behind them, kind of who drove them to completion. And you find a completely different story than the one that is told publicly effectively. You find that United States taxpayers, United States companies, United States universities were behind nearly all of the breakthroughs that led to these while it is Israel that maintains significant control over control over the IP. Why is that? Well, we have a thing called Congress and Congress insists that that be the case. We talk to a number of Pentagon officials who were involved in these projects throughout their development. One of them is David Pine, and he is joining us now to walk us through more of this. David, thank you so much for being here. Thanks so much for having me on, it's an honor to be on the show. Yeah, you got it. And so, David is a former Pentagon official who worked on the Arrow 2 program, veteran, your former top national security aid for Representative Mike Lee. You currently are the Deputy Executive Director of the U.S. Task Force on National and Homeland Security. When it comes to the Arrow 2 program in particular, though, can you walk us through a little bit about what your involvement was in that program? Yeah, so I was serving as International Programs Manager on the Army Headquarters staff in charge of all R&D, Armance Cooperation with the Middle East, the former Brazilian Eastern Europe, Africa, the Americas. Not a pretty wide portfolio, but I did was involved in signing a memorandum of it, understanding Intel Veeve, along with other DOD officials on the Arrow 2 program. And what struck me as unusual, at least up to that point, was that essentially, we fully funded the program through not only just direct U.S. contributions, but for military financing, which is essentially U.S. taxpayer aid to a country, in this case Israel, which was about $3 billion a year at the time. So it was 100% funded by the U.S., but we were barred in the agreement from using the full technology in our own missile defense system. And missile defense has always been a passion of mine. I was very pleased to see George W. Bush get us out of the ABM treaty earlier that year. So it was really a focus of the United States of U.S. national security, and we were paying all this money billions of dollars over a period of 40 years now for the Arrow missile defense program. And we've never been allowed to fully utilize it. We've been able to utilize test data and that type of stuff, but not the actual sensitive design system. How does something like that even work? I mean, eventually Boeing ended up making component parts for the Arrow II. And so there's that U.S. involvement. But how does it work that the U.S. will have its own people involved with it? But what does it mean to not have access to the technology? And what did you argue for in your negotiations with the Israeli government? Why was this serving as a relatively low-level GS-14 level official? So I really didn't have the opportunity to do a lot of arguing in favor of what I thought was best for America at that time. But yeah, I would think that given that we fully funded the program, we should have had full access to that. Israel, of course, is a very secretive country. It's essentially a garrison state. I was there. I was just kind of surprised to see how many soldiers there were, you know, nearly half of them are women, young women that serve. And it's just a different society. It's relatively closed off. Obviously, there are democratic elections, but it's essentially a part-eyed state. But it's a country that, you know, talked about putting the--putting the arrow country first. Israel, you know, the one thing Israel does amazingly well is they put their country first. And that's something I'd love to see here in America, you know, we've been putting in America last, sadly, under President Trump for probably the last year or more. But it's something that shouldn't have happened. But Israel is a--it's been deemed a critical security threat in terms of intelligence. They've been, you know, stealing our technology for many years. And now with Section 219, you know, they won't need to steal anymore because we're going to give it to them. We're free. And it's interesting because a lot of the people who are very pro-Israel, pro-The American Alliance with Israel are also hawks on China who will be warning till they're blue in the face about China stealing technology. From your perspective, is this a giveaway to China and other potential non-al-wide countries who could end up with some of this technology and the know-how from some of this technology and their own arsenals? Well, I think that's a very valid concern. We've seen--I mean, Israel had their own way. They'd be selling probably all of the advanced U.S. military technology. We give them. They had a record of doing that on multiplications up through 2000. The last time we know of an open source that they did attempted to do so was in 2008, that they were dissuaded from doing so by President Bush who, you know, pressure of the Israelis not to make the sales or the technology sales to China. But we know just in their terms of F-16 technology, they sold that to China in the '80s and '90s. I think it was the Israeli lobby fighter, which is essentially a development--the Israeli version of the S-16, and that was weaponized by the Chinese with their G-10 fighters. So that's just the example of what they could do, and so it's always been a major concern of mine that they could share our missile defense technology with China as well. Now, we spoke with another contractor who worked in that joint office who said that when it was on their desk, they would slow-walk it as much as possible because they were constantly being told by the intelligence community that this was inappropriate, and that Israel was too much of a security risk because of--particularly its relationship with the Chinese. The person said, let me quote, "We had tons of intelligence to justify not sharing the information with Israel, but we were under pressure from Congress to figure it out and transfer the IP to Israel," said the contractor. "No matter how much evidence the intelligence community produced, the response we received from DOD leadership was that it's congressally mandated, therefore we have to execute on the program." Can you talk about that--does that match with your experience? And what is the role that Congress plays? in putting pressure on the DOD here. - Yeah, and by my position, I had to sign off on exceptions to national disclosure policy for a number of countries. But I found out that the hard way that every time I decided to go against one of those exceptions that I was pressured into signing off on it because it was the White House that was behind it. It wasn't just with Israel, there were other countries that I was concerned about that I thought were too much supportive of Islamists. And every time that I tried to make an exception, tried to disagree with an exception, I was pressured into signing off on it. So I feel like that pressure certainly existed with Israel, which of course we're told constantly is our best ally in the world, essentially. And in fact, they don't act like an ally. They try to sink the US's liberty and kill all the survivors. They, again, shared our technology with communist China. And they're a critical security threat when it comes to intelligence. So I think we need to reconsider the scope of our alliance not necessarily severe it all the way, but it might be nice to have a trial separation. - It is astounding that when you lay all this out to the average person, they'd be like, what? What? Who is defending this? Who thinks this is a good idea? But since you've kind of been inside of those meetings and rooms, you're in a better position to kind of argue against rather than the phantom idea of who, what these people are actually saying and why they're defending this, what they actually say. So what in your experience do they really believe that this is good for America? Or are they, like, what's going through their minds? Because the average person this sounds like it is obviously not an America first policy. And even in Michigan, like Abdul Al-Sayed is trying to look like he's America first coming from a Democrat position. Because there are opportunities like this left and right to say we should have a foreign policy that's more aligned with the interests of our own country's priority. So do they believe that this is America first or do they just not care? - Well, I think there's a huge misconception, especially among Republicans and specifically Republicans and Congress that tend to be more of the neocon persuasion that really, I think sincerely believe they sincerely conflate the national security interests of Israel with our own. And I think the two are very, very different. I mean, we've seen that played out during this disastrous Trump war against Iran where Israel has killed off the moderates, the very moderate leaders that Trump claims that he had picked to lead Iran, Israel assassinated. They've tried to assassinate the negotiators. They made multiple attempts. President Trump has made that clear. He's not happy about it. And Israel acts all the time to violate Trump's outstanding Gaza ceasefire agreement. Even the Lebanon ceasefire agreement, which was heavily weighted in favor of Israel, they've thrown that in the trash. So we see Israel flouting, you know, President Trump's foreign policy objectives, particularly peace with Iran, because essentially Trump is basically saying that he's, we're continuing to fight this war to bring Iran back to the peace table. And every time we get close to do that, it seems like Israel does something crazy to rail peace talks. - And given that the Senate is now considering whether or not to move forward with the House past version of Section 2019, are you willing to either testify on the Senate side or speak to senators about your experience given that this is such a high stakes piece of legislation and you're one of the, you know, people who has, you know, actual firsthand experience with it. - Yeah, I'm absolutely willing to testify. I was at whistleblower against the Iraq war as well. That was actually dismissed from my position on the Army headquarters staff. Due to articles I wrote against Bush's plan to invade Iraq, worrying how much, how much disasters that would be in terms of empowering Iran and strengthen Iran, helping them essentially take over Iraq with, you know, Islamist Shi'i proxy leaders. And we've seen that take place. There's been 600 known, you know, strikes from the Iraqi military and the PMF brigades that are sponsored by Iran that the U.S. pays for against U.S. Gulf allies. And in fact, they were also responsible for destroying the East West pipeline inside of Arabia. - I was gonna, you know, make that observation that is the reporting that the East West pipeline, according to the reporting that we understand, was attacked from Iraqi territory. We reported in the first segment of this show that European shipments from Saudi Arabia to Europe have been shut down, like Europe's not getting any oil from Saudi Arabia in the back half of September. And there is quite an irony that the country that, you know, we supposedly liberated is now playing a significant role in that, I guess while we have here, if you could just give us your thoughts real quickly on how you think President Trump could or will end this conflict and that is destroying, you know, everything that he built through his MAGA movement, but also it appears the global economy. - Yeah, I think President Trump has two options before him that can end the conflict, and escalation is not one of them. By the way, and continuing the blockade is not one of them. His options are essentially to pull U.S. forces out of the region, and then he said he would do just yesterday. He said he was going to pull U.S. troops out of the region anyway. He didn't give a timetable, and he said he might reverse that if he wants to decide to take the oil, which of course is impossible. We can't even invade Iran, let alone take their oil. But, you know, I think that that's one possibility. General Michael Flynn talked to former national security advisor and has stated that he could declare victory. He could say it was part of a long plan strategic reset. He could point to his national security strategy as the foundation for why he's doing it. The other way, of course, is to re-implement the 60-day ceasefire MOU. The problem is Iran is demanding that all of the provisions that favor them are implemented at the front end of the agreement. So, essentially, you know, the reparations, the 300 billion reparations, unlocking 100 to 200 billion of their frozen assets, and all of that type of stuff, and combined with withdrawal of U.S. forces anyway, which, you know, really, it's not even feasible for us to keep the U.S. forces in the region because Iran has destroyed 13 to 16 U.S. bases. And so, you know, we should pull a Trump should cite Ronald Reagan. You know, in 1983, after the truck bombing of the Marine barracks, what did Reagan do? He didn't start a war with Iran. He pulled all U.S. troops out of the Middle East except for Turkey. So, I think that's the model for America first as Ronald Reagan. Peace or strength? Well, David Pine is the deputy executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security. He also writes the sub-stack, the real war. Really appreciate it. Thanks for writing me. Have a great day. You too. It's raw. 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The only 302s that were released were the ones that did not mention Donald Trump. Then the department was caught having held back the other ones. I think because bait stamps reveal their existence. The department then coughed up the 302s that did mention Donald Trump. But we still have 37 undisclosed pages that seem to be the contemporaneous FBI notes that would have formed the basis for the 302 summaries. Am I accurate in suggesting that those 37 pages likely include the FBI contemporaneous notes from that interview, from those interviews? We have complied with the statute and the court orders and produced 3.5 million pages of documents for the first time ever. Investigators looked at the information in real time and the prior administration and made the determinations on referrals for prosecution and not. We've also repeatedly stated if there's new information, we want everyone to come forward so that we can analyze that information as to what is and isn't remaining. So what are those 37 pages? I don't know what you're referencing. We've produced 3.5 million pages and we will continue to comply with it. Ryan, he appears to be referring there to 302s related to Donald Trump ratting out Epstein. Right. That seem to be missing from the files. So Trump acted as a federal informant. There are moments in there where Trump looks good. Like when he is like mad at Epstein, they had a falling out over Epstein was trafficking one of his staff and then they also had a falling out over a fight over both bidding on the same property or something like that. So then yeah, he called the local cops on him. He should try. I don't understand. I don't understand. So think about this. There are good things that Trump can say about himself in these files. Yet he is still so reticent to release, had to be forced to release what he did release and won't release the other parts. Which really tells you something about what the rest of it is. Because if it's just Trump looking good and ratting him out to the police all day long, he's rolling with that. So White House wrote a letter to Cash Patel back in March saying, DOJ has not produced a Congress all records related to Jeffrey Epstein as the act requires, including documents related to sexual assault allegations made against President Trump in 2019. DOJ initially released just one record associated with FBI interviews of the accuser. Okay. So it looks like they're looking for 302s of the accuser. Then published additional records after these emissions were noted. It appears that 37 pages of records still have not been released, including FBI notes associated with agents interviews of the accuser. So he's not, he's, as I originally said, he's not looking for more information on the Trump 302 ratting Epstein out. He's looking for 302s of informants who were claiming that Trump was guilty of sexual abuse. But to the point that White House is making, there are legal obligations. Thomas Massey sat right here and told us that they're baked into the legislation is potential for penalties if Cash Patel and other people at the DOJ do not comply with the demand, the congressional demand that they release all of these records. And so if evidence emerges that they have records, they're sitting on a Democrat Department of Justice, Democrat Run Department of Justice and FBI could potentially find that evidence and bring it to the public, and they would be in violation if they are knowingly withholding documents that should be released. And the Cash Patel and all these other guys are probably assuming they're going to get a pardon. But what if Cash Patel takes off Trump so bad that he doesn't get a pardon? He's like the one guy that doesn't get a pardon. To good point, he got some tough questions about flock cameras. Let's take a look here at E3. That companies have and private municipalities and towns put up cameras around traffic circles and the neighborhoods in the like. They collect information on the FBI where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, basically publicly available information. Where the FBI partners with these individuals is on a case-by-case basis and not a rolling access basis. We for the first time at the FBI have professionally partnered and officially partnered with more private sector individual companies and social media and AI. Okay. So FBI partnering with flock, not a surprise, but basically what he's saying right right? Yeah. Describing, yeah, the efforts to just basically film everything. Trump is not pro-floc, of course. Of course. To your point. Of course, with incredible anti-instincts. Yeah. Like one of the great political talents of several generations is just on the wrong side of absolutely everything now. Yeah. But it used to be the opposite. It used to have like this gut instinct that- It did. Yeah. You know, it was a gut instinct of how to infuriate people. It's going great for him. Patel also got questions about showing up in the U.S. men's hockey team Olympic locker room after the win. Let's watch E2. And apparently you wanted to go to the Olympics. And you combine, you were four days there and you did some quote work, a dinner with the ambassador, an hour with Italy counterpart operatives, 320 minute meetings of the security briefing and a 30 minute tour over four days. And then you barged into the celebration of our winning Olympic team. What were you doing doing that? Can't you let the players enjoy the joy of their own victory? What you'll never understand is the players who are my friends invited me into the locker room. What you'll never understand is that during that trip where 300,000 Americans went to Italy to participate in the games and watch them not a single security incident occurred, what you'll never understand is throughout the World Cup not a single security incident occurred because we stood a joint operations center up there. And the most important thing to come out of that trip besides the American men defeating the Canadians and celebrating the love of this country and inviting me into do so is the fact that we obtained the seizure and capture of China's most prolific hacker and returned them to the United States. And how about you trip to the boondoggle ranch? How many days off are do you take? Because I took four this year. Well, you'll never understand Ryan was busting out laughing, but I sometimes wish we had the audio turned on while we watched video close because watching Ryan watch cash Patel was a real treat. The players invited him. You will never understand that Peter Welch. All my friends are just sitting right here off screen, off camera, you can see them. I will say I think it's true that probably like one or two of the players are friends with him and invited him. He's known to be a big hockey guy. But I'm not sure that's the best experience for the FBI director crashing the locker room. Now, very bizarre exchange that I think dominated headlines actually yesterday from the Catholic Testament despite the fact, by the way, that Chuck Grassley ahead of the hearing released documents showing that Thomas Crox, the shooter in Butler, the lead shooter in Butler, had his cremation paid for by an anonymous donor. This is an FBI records that Chuck Grassley released yesterday. And there are all kinds of serious questions cash Patel should be facing. We've covered a couple of them here. But social media could not stop talking. Could not stop talking about the many exchanges cash Patel had over the FBI's new beastieality policy, E1. What about the beastieality? One thing, because the regs wrote it up in a fashion before I arrived that addressed prostitution, beastieality, and trafficking. They were there before I got there. Tell me what it should before. It automatically disqualified any individual. visual who participated on either side of it. Obviously, we are never going to hire the criminal. The shine of what? The beach to reality. Yes. So you just qualified the animal? Well, I don't think we have great canines, but we're not going to this question. I understand. And then a lot of these cases, when human traffickers who are some of the worst individuals on planet earth, they don't just traffic you for prostitution, they traffic you for degrading acts of all kind, and they force you into that type of conduct. And some of these individuals would go on to be law enforcement officers who qualified to be law enforcement officers and later applied to the FBI. I mean, this, this didn't and this, this, these changes didn't start with you. Did somebody came to you and recommended? Yeah. Yeah. And when you saw bestiality, I say this with respect, the person who recommended it, why didn't you just say what planet did you parachute in from? Why do, why do I want to leave? Well, that was my initial, why do I want to leave with my chin and get in the beach to reality? That was my initial response, Senator. But they then explained to me and showed me cases in which people were forced into it and had applied to the FBI. And so I thought they should be considered. It's not an automatic disqualification. That's all. Okay. Some tough questioning there from Senator Foghorn, Leghorn, Republican of Louisiana, Dr. Kennedy. But, right, what it sounds like happened is that the FBI wants to work with victims who like hire victims to help the FBI. And some of those victims happened to have been people who were trafficked probably for the purposes of pornography into situations where there's bestiality and someone came to Capitol and said, they can't be disqualified or we don't want to disqualify people for this. I don't know. I'm trying to cut through the weirdness story. Yeah, that's that's what happened. I think that's exactly right. I could have helped the FBI out with this. So here's what you say. If you're a trafficking victim, anything that you were forced to do while a trafficking victim does not automatically disqualify you from employment at the FBI. Right. Done. You don't need to go into a definitive list of all of the different things that people may be forced to do while in trafficking, unless you want Foghorn, Leghorn, they can funny you for your new policy on bestiality in the Senate. Yes. Which is exactly what happened. And also that totally reasonable policy. The subtext here is the FBI is having like a lot of other places recruitment issues. And so they're trying to figure out ways that they can get, you know, expand the pool of people. But also if you're the FBI, you would actually have a particular interest in people who know trafficking, because they've been victims of and survived it. So they they would have, you know, more insight for law enforcement than than others might. I don't even know how to land this plane. I mean, cache tells right. But he there was a better way to write that rule. There also, I mean swamped with suspicions from conservatives and I think normal people across the board. I'm not sure that cache tell has the trust the American public exactly, but butler continues to be a huge source of suspicion as those documents yesterday showed from Chuck from Chuck Grassley, Mike Lee pressed cache tell a bit on that and or a bit on what we still don't know about butler. Same thing with the Charlie Kirk case. Obviously, as that goes to trial, they'll be even more pressure on the FBI when it starts to emerge with the evidences, what the evidence isn't, but he's in a very difficult spot. We'll see how long he lasts in the administration. He's a loyalist to your point, maybe not even by choice. He's a loyalist because he wants to have Trump's protection now that he's been in the job. I think that's actually a good observation Ryan. So maybe he'll survive the whole thing. I don't know. Ryan doesn't know either. I am just glad that in this very dark era, that cache tell is the head of the FBI compared to. It's fun. Imagine if they had put a competent, dedicated ID log who was committed, Matt Gaetz, like, well, he probably finds it. But imagine if you had a Stephen Miller figure also in charge of the FBI, using the awesome powers that the FBI does have instead of cache patrol. Why are they bothering cache tell about his vacations? Take as many vacations as you want, bro. I want you partying. Join the US men's hockey team. Join them. Come back to the office enough to create dysfunction. I don't want you completely gone, but mostly. All right. Well, Ryan, you have a big interview that we have to get to. Next, let's pivot there didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power. It's real. Those are the very people who I always say vote against their own economic interests. And they complained about the very thing to receive. It's wrong. I went off. Y'all go scream at Chanel, but you don't want to see a black luxury company in the same back. 12 seats. So if you Democrats, you don't wait to 23. You better be hitting the ground going hard in the south now. And download Roland Martin unfiltered on the iHot Radio app Apple Podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Britt Coleman and I'm Trevor Sikama. 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Mariebe City is one of the lone holdouts of some of these Saudi-backed forces. There have been days of negotiations going on between, and we'll talk about that with Abu Qaeda in a second, between the on-surah law forces, otherwise known as the Houthis, and the kind of holdouts inside Mariebe City. Those negotiations have broken down very recently, and so the Saudis have sent in some F-15s to kind of try to bomb the area, and as was the big fear among Saudi backers, if you do that, you might get shot down, and it seems like very quickly in the Saudi effort to counteract these onto our lot of advances, they appear to already have lost a plane. The reports from last night were that one of the pilots died from his injuries, sustained during the explosion, but that the other has been captured, again, this is unconfirmed at this point. But my take, curious for your take, I don't think in many media would post, get ready for high quality footage of the downing of a Saudi F15 fighter jet if they didn't have that footage. That is a very damaging thing, the fake, because then, if you don't have it, then who's going to believe you ever again? No, I'm sure they do have it. I was very plausible that they would have the footage. It's almost at this point in plausible, they wouldn't. Right. Yes. And so Hussein Albuqadi is a, yeah, many journalists who's based in Sanaa, and if you were watching the Friday show, we played a kind of extended section of his interview with Al Jazeera. I was like, "This guy's good, this guy's sharp." So I reached out to him and did a fairly long interview that we can play for you guys here. Sounds good. Let's get to it. Let's just continue in Yemen between Ansar al-Ah and the Saudi-backed forces that are proxies serving in the region with Ansar al-Ah, continuing to strike Saudi oil infrastructure and Saudi continuing to launch air strikes against Yemen. Joining us now is Yemeni journalist Hussein Albuqadi to discuss the latest on the back and forth here. Hussein is a real privilege to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us. You're welcome, thank you for having me, and you're a real show. Yeah, you got it. So, let's start with the predicament that Saudi crown prince Muhammad bin Salman has found himself in. If you were, let's say, advising, obviously, you're a journalist, you're not an advisor to crown prince, MBS, but if you were advising the crown prince at this point, what to do at this moment? What do you think your suggestion would be given the kind of state of play of the conflict now? I think my advice to him, it was before they have broke the truth that was signed in 2022. They have targeted Sana'a airport two months ago because what the Muhammad bin Salman have thought is valid that civilian aircraft will land, it could damage the reputation of Saudi Arabia as the leader of the coalition against Yemen and the coalition war. So I will advise him to ignore that, like a swine, and because now what's happening is the entire Saudi under attack. So I will advise him not to break the cease fire because I'm sure that the other side is waiting for you to break the cease fire. And it's exactly what happened. He thought letting that air flight will damage the image, but now we see that the attack has come all across Saudi Arabia and he will advise him as well the demand of Ansarullah or Yemeni armed forces in Sana'a, it was simple before they saw the broke the truth. It was to stop and lift the blue gate against Yemen, open Sana'a airport, pay the salaries of Yemeni from gas and oil revenue that's under the control of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia doesn't need that gas and oil revenue, they have 12 billion barrels a day. So it will be like things like that, just stop, there is no need to continue interference because we have seen what's happening since 2015, the first time in history that the Saudi Arabia and the oil infrastructure has come and been under attack. So is it your understanding from your sources in Ansarullah that if Saudi Arabia would end its blockade and end the war against Yemen, that Ansarullah would end its attacks on Saudi Arabia, is it that simple and what is the next step after that? To be honest with you, now it's not that simple, the demand of today is different than demand of yesterday, demand of today is different than demand before two months before they struck the airport because it will be silly that you are now have the upper hand, you have almost limited Saudi air cover for the back forces in Yemen, this is one of the reason why Yemeni armed forces are advancing because they have been targeting the military bases in Saudi Arabia, the largest air base in Khaymish-Mushayat, King Khalid, the air base and as well King Fad, the air base in Thaif, and as well they have anti-aircraft missiles that actually has affected the Saudi ability. So now the demand of Yemen actually is a total withdrawal from Yemen from the Saudi to stop any groups inside Yemen, to stop interfering in Yemen, and as well lifting the blockade and allowing flight and a full lift with the blockade on Fadid airport, because Fadid airport will receive some ship but they are forced to go first to Djibouti and they stay there for one to four months as they say for search, and this actually affect Yemenis and only bulk carrier or bulk ship that comes to the day that the rest are forced to go to Aden which under control of the Saudi. So now the demand are actually different because if Ansar al-Adahudi will come back to the same demand that they were put in 2022 which were symbol as one of them that you mentioned, in the blue case more flight to Sana'a airport to be there for a Yemen revenue. But now if we go back to this same demand as 2022 or 2023, when we had that so-called road map agreement, this means we will start like we will go back to the beginning, there is no guarantee that Saudi will use that as they used from 2022 to build up army bases to build up airport across Yemen to build up their back forces. So now I am sure, different than we have seen the latest attack against Saudi Arabia just in the last maybe ten hours ago they have launched attack against Jeddah, Yambor, Abha, Hamish Mushay, Najran, Jedhan, Asir, and this is the first time since the beginning of the aggression against Yemen in 2015 that Yemen has launched that are a large scale attack. Of course there is no official statement at this point for Yemen but there is no one attacking Saudi Arabia or the Yemenis. Right. I wanted to put up a post of yours from, I believe is earlier today or yesterday, where you shared some video that was going around of battle and al-Jawf, but you made a point that I wanted you to unpack a little bit for us. You wrote here a footage released by the Yemeni army showing the attacks against Saudi back forces in Al-Jawf province, North Yemen, you can see clearly how Saudi mercenaries keep wandering in the desert so that Saudi media will show that as an advance and control of Al-Jawf, they are just a sitting duck for Yemeni fighters. Can you unpack for people what you mean by that, what you are seeing on the ground and what that says more broadly about Saudi Arabia's ability both to project power and also to defend itself? Yeah. I mean if you say this clearly in this video, you see like armored vehicles and Toyota become vehicles, they go like from the left to the right and they keep wandering in that area. Regarding Al-Jawf is at the border of Saudi Arabia, North of Yemen, it between Saada, North of Yemen and as well, Hadramot, North East Yemen, this Al-Jawf is almost the entire area of Al-Jawf. It is a desert. Sana'a government has liberated and it's control of the east of Al-Jawf. This east of Al-Jawf is, I mean Al-Jawf has only 500,000 civilians, almost all of them, they are in the east, in the west area of Al-Jawf, just maybe 30% of the size of Al-Jawf. The rest is a desert, there is nothing there. So what does Saudi do? They bring troops either from the south of Al-Jawf or from Saudi Arabia in the north and they just keep driving in the desert. I mean you can't drive there, maybe 50 kilometers or more or 100 kilometers, you will didn't find anything. They drive there and they show in the media that we are advancing and this is Al-Jawf or they will find a small hill or a small mountain that people will know in Al-Jawf to show that they are in that area and there's only to take footage, but still the Yemeni art forces are in control of the major mountain that's maybe in the east of Al-Jawf which oversees the desert. And you can see now in that video how Yemeni art forces has been targeting those troops with artillery shell, with guns, with drones and with ballistic missiles. So Saudi just because to cover the failure, it was in the east coast and it was to try to recruit more Yemenis and more mercenaries because when they see those type of videos but from the eye of the Saudi media. يبدو أن تتخذوا أن تتخذوا أن تتخذوا في هذه الفيديو ونجمعوا ونجمعوا فيهم. و as soon as they come under attack they're not going to show that they will cut it. و they do even act. They just go to an open area and just keep shooting at a hill or a truck or a small mountain. and there is no one there. I mean you cannot leave there to have a base there either for us or for them. You need an area to have water to have water with water supplied or at least to have the city or an nearby village. or you have shops. So this is actually the shows. This video actually shows the thing that I have been explaining to many outside the media. And thanks God that the video has came in today. And how does that compare to what you saw on the west coast or what the advancing onto our law forces saw on the west coast of Yemen when they got there. There were reports that upwards of say four out of five of the of the mercenaries who were supposed to be you know in the Saudi backed coalition weren't even there were kind of ghost soldiers where the commanders were just pocketing pocketing the money and you know telling their commanders that oh yeah we have you know we have one thousand men under our command and when in fact they might have say two hundred men. How significant of a phenomenon has that been. Now to be honest with you this is not the case but we see that this report that has been released on some time by international media. I believe because Saudi reputation was really really damaged under back force in Yemen because of that. So I can say that is is this actually the information that's released by the Saudi they want to show that it's not their failure that those commander were lying and they but let me make it sure that all the soldiers and all the commanders in there especially Tareq Salah they were loyal to the United Arab Emirate and United Arab Emirate they were better than the Saudi in getting equipment to their backed forces in Yemen and they were when they were building the bases they were building the bases like from like from A to Z like an operational room with you know satellite internet and all that thing and some footage have shown that was released in the last few days but we've seen that you know I Arab Emirate because that area was important to them they have built in the area that was was controlled in the West Coast and Babel Mandab is a small area is about maybe the coastal area could be maybe 2,400 kilometers but you free this without the mounted all of the areas 4,400 but the area of the coast it could be only 2,500 kilometers square kilometers just imagining mocha there's a huge airport building mocha they say for civilians I mean I said okay I could I could understand that because it's a city but south of mocha between mocha and Babel Mandab just inside the coast of Yemen there is another large airport and that was built by night Arab Emirate and large air base in that area just 20 kilometers south of mocha and as well as a new island another airport was built in Zookar Island in the stages of the coast of mocha another airport was built and this Zookar Island is inhabited so so just imagine this infrastructure that was built and they recruited tens hundreds of thousands of soldiers and just now they are what they are saying that is because of this that there were names of soldiers that they were not there this is actually not true the road between mocha to Babel Mandab was full during the withdrawal was full of trucks armored vehicles for several kilometers and Ansarallah let them they left the road south of mocha open because they don't want you know as Yemeni to kill each other they always before they take any city they always leave a road open so when they advance from the north of mocha the south of mocha road and I have published like a map I don't know where Yemeni are forces before the fall of mocha because they know if you leave for your enemy road when he feel the danger because he's fighting for the Saudis but for the liberation of Yemen he will just rather to go and take that weapons and sell it like they did when they arrived in aid and in the cost of near aid and they were selling all the weapons or the that are in the state of fighting and get killed because they're command that was the first one to to to to to to run away and as well they have been saying that there is that Ansarallah like have with E.R. used the voice of Parik Salar and seemed like to to the fighter to withdraw and all that know is is all the thing is that now Yemeni army because we have limited and obstruct the Saudi Air Force 90 percent of the strength of the Saudi backed forces was this was the Saudi cover and Air Force because every area they have control since 2015 your Saudi used to use carpet bombing to that area either civilian area or in our mountain or a hill or a coast that's why they advanced over the day but because that does not now exist because of the attack from Yemen against their main airbase in in in the south and central Saudi Arabia Yemeni have as well missiles I'm sure that we can hear in the coming days that Yemeni would shoot one or two of Saudi fighters that we remember that the United States has admitted that Yemeni army side they were about to shoot down 35 and as well they were about to shoot if 16 there was like a three or five five five thirty from the United States and Yemeni has launched missile against them they had life to maneuver and because they have maneuvered on on the sky of Kodeda to avoid dozens of missiles that were launched they were about to run a fuel so United States has to send another refuel train and they have said that and they have as well given that the leader of that group of the fighter jet like they gave him I don't know like a star or like to recognize what he did just imagine this with the United States what he how many are doing now with with with the Saudi and as well the attack against Saudi Arabia against Anamco it will prevent as well Saudi to launch the same attack and extract the used to launch if there is any war in one area and Yemen Saudi used to launch 300 to 500 areas strike but in one day the advanced area now they launched in the entire Yemen maybe on a day maybe 150 areas like across Yemen you can just imagine that the amount of that we have reduced those areas like and one of the reason because Saudi knows if they will try maybe to conduct the same amount of air strike like hundreds a day on on mocha they know that Yemen at that point will launch hundreds of missiles against all Saudi oil infrastructure and Aramco infrastructure and airport and airport so Yemen even when we are fighting to liberate our country when we are fighting to lift the blue gate against Yemen when we do all that we still give the Saudi a chance we still are not attacking everything in Saudi Arabia just to let them think if you do more we will do as well more right so you mentioned that the airport was struck in July by Saudi Arabia which you know really precipitated this entire situation but the answer allow response could have been much more much smaller like it a decision was made to go on the offensive from from your reporting what do you understand about how long this plan has been in the works and and why they decided to launch this significant of an offensive at at this moment rather than at any other moment yeah if you see the attack against Saudi response to the Saudi target in the Sunnah airport and breaking the ceasefire we consider that they consider it as a cancellation of the of the truth what they did in Yemen they target at the airport here I mean I was angry the people here were angry they said they target Sunnah and they target the airport you should target react and react airport but Yemen were still like consider it they they they they don't want to work with Saudi Arabia they just want our country to be liberated they focus on the blue gate they have stopped Saudi ship and declared not to allow Saudi ship to go through the retreat but this ground attack they came after what because Saudi Arabia after they took control of all the bases especially in in Moqat which was under the control for the night Arab Emirates they have been sending more weapons and more training and all type of weapons and communication system like they trying to to make that area like like making more stronger and as soon as the Saudi broke the ceasefire and we formed a blue gate in the sea so they have targeted the radar port we didn't target the umba before we haven't done that Saudi the one in retaliation of our attack against ship they have a target the radar port and then after that we expanded and target the umba so what happened in Yemen underground Yemeni has not launched any missile or any single shot against any Saudi back forces in in the area but what did the Saudi did the Saudi in the last two months they have expand their fund under money under weapons that's been sent to to areas under the Saudi back force control maybe four times more لماذا؟ because they know they cannot face صنعى آرمي so they sent to do a group that's why صنعى was kind of in a dilemma if we don't attack and even if you see in the media that belonged to this Saudi backed forces they were showing footage drone footage, attacking position of Yemeni armed forces as they call them Ansarullah they were artillery shell and bombing in many areas in Moqa and even before the fight start in Marip and in Jove and they were speaking about that in their media but Yemeni were kind of in a dilemma here in Sana'a if we don't want to fight with Yemenis but Saudi now when they are ready when they are setting the plan they are going to attack us at one point Ansarullah they broke the cease fire by targeting Sana'a airport and those troops in Yemen considered as a part of the Saudi-led coalition we can attack them and target them either without like what I explained to you that the troops coming from Saudi and enforcement as soon as Saudi target the airport we have the right to target Saudi and as all the backed forces in Yemen Yemen took the decision to launch missiles against those groups and the evil attacked drugs that were coming from Saudi border towards Marip and towards the Jove and they targeted them in the road and they showed footage of that so we had to do that and Ansarullah we have the right because there is no more truth but we delayed that action just to respect not to have to kill each other and this exactly what the Saudi want that's why I think it will be more escalation from Saudi here in Yemen they are ready Saudi will stop and stop interfering in Yemen it will be a simple and there is one more important point before 2022 before Yemeni Saudi backed forces were just in Nihm mountain it's just east of Sana'a Yemeni before doing that major attack that reached the outskirts of Marip before 2002 they have sent an initiative to Al-Aradah which is the leader of the Saudi backed forces and the governor of Marip they said look we don't want to attack you we don't want to target you but you can keep your weapons you can stay the governor you can stay in control of the area that you are in but stop attacking us because they were close to Sana'a we want to fight the Saudi let us fight with the Saudi face to face and then after that we will talk with each other if we didn't agree you still have your weapons and I still have my weapons you still have your position your land and I still have my it's not that we get a forcing through negotiation here you use that what have it Yemeni armed forces have declared that was at war before the truth an operation called Al-Bunyan al-Marsos I don't know how to translate it in English so and they took they advanced till they reached the outskirts of Marip Marip is 14 area district or 14 directory it contained 14 directory Yemeni armed forces in 2022 they have liberated they are in control of 12 what's left is only Marip city and as well the so-called the desert or the Wadi district only those two but all the population most of the population of Mar the directory is in Marip so it's kind like Mocha in the east coast and you have Mocha the city it's exactly the same like Marip we are controlled all the west coast and then we came around the Mocha and then it took only a few minutes it's exactly with Marip we are in control of most of the populated and most important area and mountains around Marip it's only the city that's left and I believe that Marip will be exactly like Marip, like Mocha and it could be as well easier because the fighter that they are in Marip they are not from Marip they are not from the tribal areas either that 12 directly in the hand or the other to most of them they are from outside and they belong to the Muslim brotherhood because the Muslim brotherhood and Saudi-backed forces has been defeated from many area from Yemen they all went there even those who had run away from Mocha they can even be there they were still under the control of the Saudi-backed forces all the Marip people there they are not happy with that because those they consider them as foreign fighter you come to my city to fight because they pay you that's why I think at one point that Marip it will be easy and they will run away as exactly as they did before as long as there is no cover from Saudi Arabia by air strike if those Saudi Arabia stop them back I don't think they will be the entire region will be Yemen will be liberated and the same initiative the same initiative has been put just weeks ago before entering Mocha or liberating the coast this initiative was put to Marip and to Mocha two months ago before the fight start they ask keep your weapons stay in your area don't hand us any weapons let us fight with the Saudi face to face don't stop us in the back we don't want to kill Yemeni will you agree for that he said no I am with the Saudi-led coalition I will do what they say and he started receiving weapons this was after the attack against the airport and he didn't stop target with those drones that they have so I think at that point the Yemeni has decided because if we don't do so this means that Saudi has one point and Saudi were waiting for the United States to end the war with Iran or to have a truth they will come to us and Saudi was waiting for the United States and for Trump because what the United States and the Zionists have been doing they've been signaling out the axis of resistance country by country start with Gaza then with Gaza remember as Abdullah was launching missiles against Israel but Israeli response was limited because they were busy with Gaza as soon as they finished with Gaza I mean the resistance still exist but I mean you know what I mean they want to his Abdullah and focus all the attacking on his Abdullah as soon as they finished was Syria through the terrorist the one that Jolani he was like in the list for 10 million and now he's the president just imagine Iran has a clown even Iran has a clown attack as an exact support of Gaza let's say that Israel think that okay like Yemen did so it was coming to Yemen that's why Yemen even though Saudi have broke this is why Yemen have decided the best way to defense is to attack does if Saudi Arabia doesn't end this war do they face any risks when it comes to their own territory because they don't seem to be able to defend anything at this point yeah I mean I spoke with this in an interview yesterday it done viral in YouTube it wasn't like an Arabic kind of Arabic channel and because I mean I'm not I don't represent Ansarullah usually that's why I can speak my mind more so I'm not but what I think different states against the Saudis first of all we say blockade against blockade our airport against our airport we still now we are not targeting civilian airports in Saudi Arabia if they target an airport they will target them we are not targeting civilian airport only when they target our data but now we focus on the air bases of the Saudi an Azul al-Aramco facility and even when we target Aramco facility maybe two weeks ago in Saudi Arabia why we did that? Saudi has been launching strikes against Yemen and here in Yemen many armed forces haven't announced any of the strike because they were in the battlefield they said it's okay they are not affecting our advance even they were advancing in Mokal we will ignore it we don't want to make it all outward what the Saudi did they have targeted a prison in a job killing dozens including women and children and they targeted during the visiting hour that's why when Yemen have targeted Aramco facility just imagine Saudi has launched 120 air strike in those at that time in two days Yemen didn't attack but when they launched attack against the prison Yemen had to take a stand otherwise they will rise up against it they target Aramco in jazan in Najran and in Aasi in Abra and in Najran so this is like a stage if you target our civilians we are not going to target your civilians we will target Aramco and the second stage it will be all Aramco across Saudi Arabia because our blood is not is more important to us than the Saudi oil that was at the beginning Saudi thought that they could shed the Yemeni blood and another stage will come it's like to target all their airports and ports doesn't matter civilian or military And as well the water plant, I believe that me, if I was the commander of the army, I would have this this plan. I mean, if we see that there is a great aggression against them or that the Saudi like let's say is winning and think like that and destroy an even infrastructure as they did in the last 10 years in 2015, we will exactly target, but that we will leave it at the end because we don't want to affect civilians in Saudi Arabia, I mean that they will die from thirst. So, but about the border, Yemeni still have this solution, but if they enter the Iran and jaydan and asif, this means we will not come out of it, even if the Saudi back to it and even if they say we will drop from all Yemen, we will stop what you want, any demand you want, we will agree. Okay, what we will say that time, if I were the commander of inshaAllah or the emiran, I will say the command of the demand of today is not like the demand of yesterday, the demand of today is not like the demand of after mocha because Yemen is maybe always the same with 99% of Yemen still considered Najran and jaydan and asif as a proven that belong to Yemen and they were taken by the Saudi in the 30s or the 20s from our Imam at that time. It's like the king, they took it because they got support from the United Kingdom when the night kingdom has bombed Hodeida and they had mercenary and Yemen is like Saudi have now and and Hodeida was the only lifeline for Yemen and at that time they had an agreement that the United Kingdom will and the mercenary will draw from areas and Hodeida and will stop Hodeida. And Yemen will like give those through province to Saudi Arabia, but they signed an agreement called a type, a type agreement is the same name, the agreement that signed for the Lebanese in Saudi, I don't know why they called it all a type, I mean look like that we are short of names. So yeah, so and in that agreement that the Saudi will and the agreement why Imam did the agreement because at that time he was weak, but he did an agreement that that agreement still say that this is our land and this means that if by one he give like to any president in the future or any king if Yemen at one point will be strong, they can take it and they have the right to take it because he knows that Saudi will not fulfill the agreement. And in the agreement Yemen could go to Saudi Arabia using this their ID they don't any visa they will treat Yemeni as he treated the Saudis look look at Imam at that time he had the vision he knows Saudi, he know that the oil that the people and as well that Saudi Arabia will not interfere in Yemeni business will not attack Yemen will not target Yemen will not support any group and they will not even try. But try to make other country or threaten us through other country this the agreement was so Saudi have actually. Since the republic has raised the Abin Yemen in in 1962 the revolution against Imam Saudi Arabia has been interfering in Yemen so the Arabia as well later in the last maybe 30 40 years has been treating Yemenis the really bad. So the Saudi and on the top of that they have launched a coalition war and aggression against Yemen launching more than 300,000 air strike declaring that coalition from Washington through the Saudi ambassador algebra is the first war you declared against your neighbor from another country killing directly by air strike maybe 20,000 Yemeni civilians and about 400 between 300 to 400,000 Yemeni civilians have died. Because of the blue gate severe malnutrition malnutrition lack of water preventable diseases at the United Nations have said cholera malaria so all that that's why Yemen if you see the always focusing on the blue gate the blue gate is killing more Yemenis and the closure of the airport then it the direct air strike. That's why the Saudi border if Yemen will go inside those area I'm sure they will not withdraw why because if they withdraw they will bear the shame for all our generation maybe till till till till the judgment day that look at one point we were strong and that agreement that was signed and now is in our favor that we could say the Saudi that they have broken. And now you answer the you have gone inside and you control and you are stronger and you are you have left it. But this actually will be the last solution and to show you how good our government here and our leadership. What we are asking now the Saudi we are not asking to withdraw from Najran and Jason Acir. We are asking them to withdraw from Yemen to stop killing Yemenis and we will have peace with them and Yemeni here in some as basically our leader say the American. If he signed an agreement. Even with the death like with the United States when you stop attacking the United States and they stopped attacking us it wasn't like there wasn't an agreement but it was Yemen demand stop attacking us and we will stop attacking you of course Trump has made it like that he won. He said at the beginning when he launched attack he said I will not stop unless they stop targeting our ship and our allies ship but when we have agreed not to target each other he said. I defeated the whole thing they can begin to me would stop and we stopped they're gonna stop we're gonna stop targeting them and they will stop targeting our ship he hasn't mentioned about the the allies ship and whose other allies is is right. So look even with that we have respected that is in our religion we know that if you if you lie or if you don't respect an agreement God will punish you how can I punish you he make you lose the next battle. And even the attack against Iran with the attack against the Iran and Yemen has not and they always say Yemen is is is is like linked and they are receiving command for Iran. I mean Yemen could actually block the Ritzi when Iran was under attack in the 12 days of war or as well now before but today waited until Saudi has broke that ceasefire and what the funny thing I mean I had many interviews with us today and the first question. Why are targeting Saudi ship as soon as you see the the bubble mandal straight. The totally forgot that Yemen has a target Saudi oil tanker two months ago if before they reached the cost of bubble mandal Yemen has been targeting Israeli ship to the genocide so we do need to be at the cost to block the Ritzi we were blocking the Ritzi we were targeting ship in far north of the Ritzi in the goal of aid and the Arabian city. But the main thing about controlling that area is to liberate Yemen and this actually that the largest so they say why don't you target American ship now. Why don't you target Israeli ship at this point. Look look a hypocrite are those media outlet when we were targeting Israel and United States you only target it and bridge only when they launched the prosperity card and when we target into ship to help our brother and sister in Gaza to stop the genocide to do something that we can and demanding to stop the killing all these countries. They will tell us why and the condemn us and they say as a piracy why we are targeting do ship in the sea but now when we are targeting not targeting they say why why don't you target and let American ship or to go through through through through Ritzi this actually show you who we are fighting just one final thing and maybe it's going to make you laugh. During the war before the truth 2022 when Yemen was launching attack against United Arab Emirates or against United Arab Emirates back forces in South of Yemen at the time that this agreement between Saudi and Arab Emirates start to like to show up on. During the war before the war before the war before the war before the war before the war before the war before the war. But when we target the Zionist ship and we will fight and the prosperity Guardian or the Palestinian people to lift the attack to lift the blue cake against Palestine to help the Palestinian people and we were the only country to do so targeting ships and United States battleship since war war two all those country were against us all this back forces were condemn us is all about the state of Israel if you are good with them no one will attack you. You will be fine like United Arab Emirates or like Saudi so show you this show everyone who's watching who we are fighting is okay for United Arab Emirates and their back forces that we kill other Yemeni that's loyal to Saudi or kill a Saudi I'm the opposite as well for those side to kill those side but when we try to stop the genocide and attack Israel they all against that. I also wanted to ask you before you go about the 73 UN aid workers that have been detained by on Sara law my understanding is that as a result humanitarian access to humanitarian aid has gone significantly down you know the UN and other aid agencies are nervous about sending aid workers. Then why are they still detained? It's not only, obviously, an international incident, but also from an ethical perspective, what, why? - Yeah, yeah, I know. I know, I mean, I've been speaking to Zarian, I said, if there's anyone like who you don't have any, like a solid proof that he's like was spying with something like that, you should, you should release him because to be honest, it just is damaging the reputation, more than helping our cause to liberate the Yemen. But if you look, why did that happen? I mean, it's not that I'm giving like excuse of our government here, but it happened after the attack that have killed our entire government. - Right. - And the area that the aid worker used to work is near that area, but it was targeted. It was like a secret meeting, until that, and just imagine, so there is kind of reason. And it's not only those UN workers, they have arrested other people in that neighborhood. So there is still people, I mean, my neighbor, as someone I know, he's with Ansarullah. He is a Hashmi, as we say, like he's linked to the Prophet Muhammad. And he's a good friend of mine. His brother, he was arrested, and he's considered like from Ansarullah and others. So when it comes to the security of Yemen, they don't care, are you with the international, are you working with this agency, are you, but what I'm asking them, and I did as well before, like, when I meet some of them, just if there is any process, make it quick. You'll make it, don't delay it. But to be honest with you, I mean, if you see, some people think that those international NGOs, that it cannot be that one will be like a spy. No, it can't, because the United States and the Zionists they have used everything. We remember that, maybe it's something, like, not related to Yemen, but the related to this incident. It's when they assassinated and killed the Beladen. The United States had an idea, and everybody can search, I mean, can say to anybody who I've looked in the stone age, that you cannot find anything, that I can lie, and no one can find out. Beladen, what they did, they know the area, or maybe the house and the neighborhood where Beladen is. And they even might have that thinking, he lived in maybe in that compound or house. But they want to make sure, because that area is inside Pakistan, and to attack and kill someone, is not related to Pakistan, it could make, like, be a bad reputation for the Pakistani. Even though the Pakistani government, I believe it's always been a Zionist government, the Pakistani people, they are free and good men. So what they did, they sent a doctor with the so-called, like, a support and aid and agency from outside, who do vaccination for children, that kind of vaccination, that to avoid that the kids will be paralyzed. You give it to your one-month-old or two-month-old baby. So they used that, and they were taken DNA, because it's by mouth, from all the children in that neighborhood. And so, of course, they have the DNA of Beladen for the brother, or, you know, they have it. Till they made sure the exact house, and then they target Beladen and they killed Beladen, what did that entire area, the tribal area, that, or that city, or all the tribesmen in that area, which is north of Pakistan, they have kicked all the agency that gave vaccination to children, and that affected more than 100,000 children. It's because of what, because United States want to take Beladen, they have affected the life of hundreds of thousands of children in the tribal area of Pakistan. Because those tribes, as soon as they heard, that what the United States did, they considered that agency, maybe that agency was working in the tribal area. They had to have nothing, and it was doing a good job. I'm going to say that they are doing it, but this is the United States. They have been using journalists. They have been, I mean, so, so that's why they are cautious, but I'm sure, and I hope, that they will make the process really quickly, if there is no solid evidence, you didn't keep anyone in prison. - Yeah, it personally drives me insane when governments use journalists for those purposes. That's the last, that's the last thing I'm going to write. - All the work of journalists, yeah. - Right, right. Well, Hussein, I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much. These are certainly interesting times, indeed, Yemen. - You're welcome. Thank you very much for having me, and I hope to see you soon. - That does it for us on today's edition of Breaking Points. Thank you so much for tuning in. We are going to head and do the AMA now. We're going to do a live, and that is for everyone who wants to make soccer sad. 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