#84 - Cory Bernadi - Inside the Political Crisis Facing Australia

(upbeat music) - Hey guys, welcome back to Two World Squad Podcast. On today's episode, we have Corey Bernardi. I hope you guys enjoy. - But yeah, he was. Amos Keewell was talking about him just previously, but yeah, we had him on the podcast last, and he just killed it last night. I always in stitches. You have to go on scene. - Well, if I get tickets, I probably will. I wander around the fringe occasionally, and 'cause I just live across the road, I would go to Paising Cross the road. - Yeah, yeah. - And there's always some entertaining stuff. - Yeah. - I got a mate whose daughter is a witch and a comedian. She's an alternative lifestyle. I went there and now apparently I feature as a part of her act for this year, because she was so surprised to see her statue, and I was so conservative in her challenging show. - Well, mate, you're back. You're back in politics. I had Alex Antigone a couple of days ago, and you guys are drinking low-carb beer together, and mate, you just come off with gym session, you're looking good, you're looking fit, you're ready for politics again, here we go. - That's the low-carb beer. Thanks, Alex. - Yeah. - But I tell you the truth, right? I did throw him actually under the bus on the ABC. They asked about the lane beer choice. I told him I said it was Alex, he bought him, and he did. But I did want a low-carb beer. I just didn't think it was gonna come in a bottle. I thought it would be a manly sort of right there and stuff, but maybe it's just cheap. - Well, I had a couple wines last night, and yeah, mate, it was the first time in a while I've had a glass of red. I'm a very, not really a beer guy, not really a spirits guy. If I'm gonna drink anything, it could be wine, so. Yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah. - I'm not really a beer guy. I like tequila. - Tequila? - Tequila is where I'm at. - No, just a sip and tequila, and there's a bit of oof sometimes if you have too much. - Just straight or? - Just straight. - Yeah, yeah, on the rocks or not? - No. - Oof. - Just like tequila. - That's crazy. - Oof. - It just grows on you. As you get older, you just, you think, you just treat it differently than you would when you're 20 and doing shots. - Yeah, yeah, nice, nice. So, look, mate, back in the politics, you've obviously had a bit of time off. I was talking to Alex Antik when he was on the podcast, but we didn't have this discussion on podcast off the podcast and I said, mate, what's a, what's a go? We've quarried with 90, what's his background and stuff like that. And he actually sort of said, you know, he was very conservative guy back in the day, spoke up against a lot of common sense things that we're getting eroded in our society. And, you know, you obviously took a bit of heat for that and then you stepped away from politics, but a lot of people also sort of describe how Alex Antik has like a later version of you. - A better version. - A better version. - A better version. - A better two-point hope, you know. - Well, we'll see about that. But, mate, just want to sort of explain, you know, your previous past history in politics. - Okay, it's in, I think it's an interesting story. I've done lots of different things, but the catalyst for me getting involved in politics was actually, I got, I was out in Northern Africa in Libya for about a year and I picked up a disease called tuberculosis out there. I came back to Australia, I was working and then got sick and literally was in hospital for the best part of a year or in isolation. And, you do a lot of thinking, this is pre-internet back in the dark ages. And, I thought I wanted to apply myself to business but also to a community service thing. And, I thought politics was a community service, joining a political party, you know, getting active. One, for five years later, there I am, president of the party, liberal party, a few years after that, I'm in the Senate. And, you know, I thought I'm not gonna tread lightly on the earth while I'm here. You know, the dangle of baubles, they suggest, you know, you've got to have a glittering career as long as you shut up and do what you told. That matter didn't matter to me. I thought I'm here for a finite time. I had a goal in my mind that 50 I'd be out and, you know, say I'm saying, do the things I wanted to. And the only regrets, you know, zero regrets, right? But, if I was to have a regret, it's the things that I didn't say that I should have. That I should have called out at the time. The lies from the media, the lies from politicians. The, you know, sometimes you do trust other people's judgment more than your own. And that's generally a mistake. - Hmm, very interesting what you say there about "Roof regrets." It's always the decisions that go unmade. - Yeah, I think that's true. And some of the stuff I've done, right? Like, this week, yeah, they come back to haunt you. I start an ABC interview and they, about the state election. And they go straight to a comment I made 14 years ago about same-sex marriage, right? - Yeah, my mum said that. She watched that actually. - Yeah. - And they just tried to lure you in. - Of course. And silly me, got sucked in there a little bit. Thinking, I'll just explain to them, you know, what it actually meant and how same-sex marriage has become a bit of a trojan horse for a whole range of other activities that are taken place within the school system. And, you know, which I think are terrible. They're changing socially. What children can do and how they're functioning and taking away parents' rights. Then I tried to explain that, of course, but that's the headlines, you know. And then you get the greens and there's, I don't know, some woman from SA Best, I'm not sure what her name is in it. Coming out and doing a door stop to get some attention all about something that was said 14 years ago. And you go, what are these people? Well, how can they be so caught up in this stuff when there's so many other problems going on in the world? You know, what? What some backbench then was said in 2012 or 2016 or 2008. They've not been out there on everything. And I don't regret any of it. It goes towards making me the man I am today. It's because you're a part of the Dark Forces now, mate. That's why. The Dark Forces? I want to be Darth Vader. Yeah. Yeah, it's, mate, there's this massive attack on anything to do with the right side of politics. And obviously, anything, you have an easy and labor. And even the Liberals, they're very afraid, I think, of what's rising up because it's going to affect the two-party jaw police system. That's it. It's a business, right? You've got to understand. A lot of people make a lot of money out of the business of politics. The jaw police serves them. They sit there. And I can tell you this, if we sit here long enough, we'll become the government because the government will make a mess. And they're happy getting their salaries because they're getting paid more than they get paid in any other sector, like as most of them are midwits or mid-level managers at best. You know what a midwid is? Right? A really dumb person knows they're dumb. Midwits thinks they're smart, but they're really dumb. Right? And that's the biggest problem. We've got too many midwits in politics. Right? You just have some dumbos. Right? We need those. Right? Because they speak the truth. There's zero filter on them. I think that's pretty good. But we've got people who think they're really smart. And they're not. And they ignore the issues that are there. So they're in this business that do them well and they think, hey, we'll just keep going. And eventually it'll be our turn. We're breaking that. When I say we, one nation is breaking that. Thanks to Paul and Hanson's Perseverance. Thanks to Barnaby Joyce coming on board in a whole bunch, you know, Carlos Corramba, who's my running mate, terrific bloke. These guys have done all this heavy lifting and the public have woken up to what's going on. And the Liberal Party, the Labor Party, hate it. Labor might hate it a bit less right now because they think the Liberals are under assault. But, you know, this morning I'm reading about something the Liberals have said, it's called One Nation Watch. I mean, talk about an obsessive ex girlfriend, right? They're now taking our policies, saying they're their own, like, you know, abolish the voice to the South Australian parliament or net zero. It was stuff like band and net zero. We've been on that for months, if not years. And they've adopted them as their own. They're saying, look at One Nation, they've got no policies. They're terrible. It's just, it's just like an obsessive compulsive spreading lies. And you think, you know, they should be doing better. But anyway, when they've got no ideas, that's what happens. Yeah, I called this month ago, month ago, that the death of the Liberal Party is slowly starting now. They're going to be in the speech laws or the hate group laws, whatever they are, really put the funnel now in the coffin form. But, I mean, you just, how do you, you talk to so many people out there, it's just the Liberals don't stand for anything anymore. The problem they've got is, they've got these lefties in them, right? They call them moderates, but they, they're self-styled moderates. They're actually extremists. They're totalitarians and they're very collectivists. Right? They all vote the same way all the time. It used to be that these lefties were made up five or 10% of the sort of the parliamentary party, even the membership. And that was, okay, they acted as a bit of a hedge against some of the excesses. So that, you know, someone like me was pushing the party too far in one direction. Yeah, they maybe mitigated a bit, put a softer edge on it. And that worked well. The, the, there was an understanding, there was an acceptance that we needed multiple voices in the party. And anyway, something changed and what changed was we had individuals and some of them are still working around the place today who got in there and realised hang on. It wasn't the battle between the two factions. It wasn't meant to be a collaborative thing, whereas, oh, look, I've got the numbers, but you've got, you're entitled to have a voice. We've got five members. We'll get three from the end to four you. Right? Let me just carve it up and be nice. It became a win or take all thing. It became like a do or die battle. And the bloke who did that started that really was Christopher Pine who, you know, went on to have a career, a very strong career in the power, but it was because he was, I think, he was very destructive. the Liberal Party because it became a battleground. And ultimately that's what it is. You've got two warring tribes who cannot reconcile at all. One wants to chase the teal greens and the other one wants to pursue a more conservative traditionalist path and the two just cannot come together. My conspiracy theory mind makes me think that these moderates are teal plants. Well, you know what, they've probably got all the same character except not the strength of their conviction to actually go and run as a teal. They want to do it within the confines of the Liberal Party. And I reckon a lot of them are really attaining for a very unhappy child would make. Yeah, that's the problem. A lot of these, particularly the blocs, they would have been bullied at school, they would have had a miserable existence. No one's accepted their greatness and they're trying to show to the world how important they are by getting on the political stage. Look at me, remember you used to bully me at school, but now I've got a car and people call me sir and we're a tie to work. You know, it's like, yeah, don't be pathetic. Yeah, I never, I just never, I never quite grasped how that really worked, right? We have like you moderates and you can serve it isn't. I mean, it was it was clear as day to me. I went into the speech. What was it? 6, 7 maybe eight months ago at a Liberal Convention thing up in that load hill. And it was just, you know, I came out and laid out a whole bunch of things which is actually happening right now. And I sort of called as well that if the Liberal Party don't change their stance, they're going to become irrelevant which is happening right now as well. But half way through the speech, I was sort of bagging out labor and then I turned on and said, hey, if you guys think that the Liberal Party is going to change under Susan Layton. I mean, I've got, I've got some rude, I look a bit of a rude awakening for you. And the 10% of the people got up and abused me, like absolutely abused me. And a few of you will then walked out. One of them was including Ann Rustman Houston. Don't know what it doesn't matter whatever that lady is. She got up and walked out because she couldn't take it. And at the end of the speech, 90% of the audience gave me a standing ovation for like three minutes. But it just shows how the 10% controlled the 90%, the 10% of the moderates control the 90% of the conservatives in the Liberal Party. And I'm like, what's going on? And you know why, right? This is actually a societal concept right. But in the Liberal Party, we can define it. They go and leak and they're very destructive. And I remember Tony Abbott saying to me, you've got to be mates with someone, so right? And I said, why? You know, don't have to be mates with him. I'll be because he's very destructive. And if he's not your mate, he'll work to destroy her. And I said, no, mate, I would rather know that he's not my friend and he's always working against me and be surprised if he supports me 10% of the time. Because trust me, when it comes to it, he will let you down when you most need it. And of course, he did. He was, that was Chris Tupapine we were talking about. And he, for my understanding, had dinner with Tony Abbott one night pledging support for his leadership. And the next day was voting against him more, the week later. So there's this thing of, why would you try and deal with people who are not don't have integrity? And what they do in, because of their destructive nature, people give them, I guess, accommodations that they shouldn't have. Because they know if they don't, they're going to go and run and leak to the press a story. Or they're going to trade a tail with the press gallery. And the stocking trade and federal politics in the press gallery is your colleagues. Right? So if you want to be a protected source from the gallery and not have bad stories written about you, you've got to dump on all your colleagues. And they're as specialists in that field. Just go up there. Oh, that's the, that's, that's the currency. If you and I are colleagues, I'll go up and if I don't, if I want to get a good story about myself, I'll run a bad story about you. And the next day, this is headline about you, which is negative. And in two days later, there'll be some puff face about me from the same journalist. So the fingerprints are everywhere. So they go at each other. Like, they, what, like politicians in, in their own parties, leak information against each other. Are you surprised by that? Come on. Well, I mean, okay, you came from a team environment in the military, right? If someone talked back about, no, if someone talked behind me in the military, we were fighting. Yeah. If they talked behind my back, we were fighting. And they thought they still fight, but it's a different fight. I'm always one that said we should settle the disputes in the octagon, right? That's what we should do. You know, put the cage up and let's go out. Unfortunately, they're not accepting that in the Senate anymore. So, um, I don't know. No, I'm talking about combat. Yeah, yeah. Um, but no, it is, it's, it's a metaphorical fight. And, and it's, it's based on duplicity and, um, garnishing votes. And one of the big differences in business for me is, is, is, if I want to do a deal with you, I present what I've got. And you say, look, no, I'm not interested. They say, is there anything I can change to make you interested? No. Well, okay, that's fine. It's not, it's not nasty. It's just business. Whereas in politics, if I say, oh, could you vote for me for this? Oh, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Let me think about it. You know, there's never a certainty. There's never a shortness of, yeah, 100% on with you because they're hedging their bets every time. You know what? Absolutely. Distroys me about that. Is there playing with Australian lives? And, and I don't mean, I do mean actually literally because they are in terms of what they're asking people to put at risk when they go on deployments and stuff and you know, but they're, they're messing. They're using, I'm talking about a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People's, yeah, well, yeah. People's lifestyles, our values, our culture. They're doing it and they're treating it like a game. Right. I do not know anyone up there with few exceptions, maybe. Anyone up there who is genuinely thinking about the national interest. Right. And I'll tell you a story about it. Like, I'm not going to name him. He's gone now. But we're in the party room, right? And we're talking about climate change or one of those things back in 2008, 2009. And so, you know, the pitch for me and others was about we've got to act in the national interest. This is going to destroy, you know, the country if we keep going down this renewables path. It's not going to save us. And there's one bloke stood up and he's, and I remember a clear as they stood up and he says, I don't give a, I used to prefer, I don't give a figure about the national interest. I care about keeping my job because I've lost this job before and I know there's nothing on the other side of it. Nothing. What a piece of shit. That's exactly when everything changed for me. Very early in the piece, right? I've gone, my goodness, how endemic is that in this room? And that is the thing. Otherwise, if they were concerned about the national interest, why would they be pursuing mass immigration? Right, which is self-evidently doing damage to our country, right? Social, cultural, economic damage. Why would, and if they were pursuing immigration, why wouldn't they be more discerning about who's coming into the country? Why would they be pursuing this net zero, Malaki? Why would they be pursuing the separation policy that attached to Aboriginal people in this country? Right, which is not getting any performative outcomes for them. It's just dividing the nation. Why would they be chasing higher taxes and trying to dismantle the middle class? Why would they be building up the public service, which is going to not serving us anymore, but it's going to eventually send us broke? This is a myriad of questions. You know, why are you doing this? Because it's self-evidently not good for the long term of the country. And it's because they are. They can't see it. They don't want to see it. Or they're all midwits. Or they see it, but they want to pursue their own personal benefits. Yeah, they want to work either jobs. So, you know, I reckon we're seeing that a little bit here in South Australia now. Right, Malaki asks a popular premiere because his photogenic and nice and he works very hard on his image, distracting the whole populace with, you know, circuses, whilst infrastructure is crumbling, whilst job growth is dwindling outside of the public service. The middle class has been hoarded out. You're not, people are having cost of living crises. You've got a whole range of issues attached to housing. But he just wants to go down histories, the winningest premiere of all time. Yeah, give us live golf and gather around. Yeah, and pairing. Yeah, so I'll get more seats than anyone else and I'll be in the pantheon of labor luminaries. I'll be number one. You know, that's literally what is by the time the place crumbles, by the time we get the $50 billion in debt, which you'll be in four or five years time, he probably won't be there. He came in as well at $17 billion in debt. Yeah, and he's going to leave in $50 billion in debt. And he came in at $15,000 ambulance ramping hours per year and we've got $45,000 or $50,000 now. But don't worry guys, we've got gather around and live golf. Yeah. Don't worry, everything will be fine in this state. We've got those circuses to keep us occupied. Until we run out of money to pay for them, right? Because they're not profit generating. We have to pay to get them here. And when we run out of money, what are we going to have? We're not going to have those. It's the trajectory is exactly the same as Victoria. And what happens with higher debt as well? Higher immigration numbers? Well, okay. So you're bringing in hundreds of thousands of people and we're told we have to bring in people to solve the skills shortage, right? I got some data yesterday. I could have been on my phone, but I could look it up. And I would stand corrected on this, right? But in the 300,000 people that came in two years ago, or might have been 400,000, there was something like the skilled trades that are identified. It's something like a tiny percentage of them. I don't even think it's that hard. I think it's like a. a few thousand people actually have the skills that we need. And we're told we've got to import people to solve the skills shortage and yet every skill that we need is going unfulfilled. So you go, what's happened? We've brought in millions of people over the recent years and why have we got a skills shortage? - Do you ever know, have you ever heard of Dhamma? - Dhamma. - Dhamma. - I thought it was a food. - No, no. - Or Jeffrey Dhamma was a mess. - No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me blow your mind. Dhamma is, I think it's designated area migration access or assignment. And what it is is, if you're under the Dhamma agreement, you can certain visa standards like being under the age of 55, that gets scrapped. You can import whoever that age of 55. You don't have to speak English and you don't have to have a skill to come into this country. Right, but what they're doing is the federal government have made deals with regions to allow Dhamma access. But with Dhamma access, you need a sponsor. Someone needs to sponsor you, right? NDIS can be a sponsor for Dhamma access for an immigrant to come in. - Also, the rocks just get piled up. Rot upon rocks, like you said, - Yeah, you're really cheesecake- - So, and somewhere between 14, 60% of immigrants working with NDIS and NDIS has in like, the Kember for example, that has 1300 NDIS providers there. That's one provider for every 13 people, the average, right, for like Australian suburbs, is one provider for every 270 people. So what's happening? - This is like Minneapolis with this, - Yes, yes, this is-- - This is 2.0 but worse, but worse, because the government is making illegal immigration, legal through this. So what they're doing, they needed to get in a whole bunch of people into this country and they needed to convince the Australian population that these people are coming into work. They didn't have the skills though, because they always told us we're importing doctors, but they're not. They're importing old people that can't speak English and have no skills through the Dhamma initiative and it needed a sponsor. So why has since 2016, there's been 30,000 people on NDIS, there are now 700,000 people on NDIS. They have lowered the threshold for people to be on NDIS. So lowering the threshold has enabled more people to go on the government pension, which has enabled more people to be flooded in via Dhamma who were sponsored by NDIS to take care of these people that should be on NDIS. - Service providers who do nothing, they're the ones that Mal and Asuka said, "Oh, who's gonna wipe your bum?" - Yes. - Right, which was insulting to a whole bunch of people. But what you've just told me is a disgrace for Australia. - That is factually happening. Factually happening. I did a whole bunch of research on it. My lobbying group broke the story about two months ago. Did a whole bunch of research on it. And then I dove into it more yesterday and this morning in Diderylon. And it is, I claim it to be, they're making illegal immigration, legal in this country. - And the statistics about Lequemba. - Sorry, that's enrichment and diversity. That's what we're told it is. It's a scandal, it's a disgrace. And wow, that's, well, someone's gonna look at that and you should raise it with Alex. I'm sure he'd love to explore it at the federal level. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think it needs to be spoken about and needs to be addressed. - Well Peter Mal and Asuka is the one saying we need to bring these people here. So this is the thing, right? You've got this premier in South Australia, a Labour premier who will not criticise the federal government and they're doing manifestly just terrible things. It just goes along with it. And unfortunately we've got this liberal opposition here who is inept and lazy and haven't done anything. And so I just fear for the state, that's the thing. And then you multiply that in Victoria, New South Wales, you've got this similar thing, you've got a different government in Queensland, Western Australia is the same. And a federal government that's dominant. The country is on a path that is nearly unsustainable. And that's why I'm part of One Nation. I just think that's the last best hope we've got. - Yeah, 100%. And yeah, it's just, like back to Peter Mal and Asuka, he's just, it makes me so angry 'cause he's falling so many people with his good looks and he's a shit 40 player and he rides on that and he gives us a whole bunch of events, bread and circus like the operators are, but you know, you quoted the other day, there's no bread with the circus, you just get the circus, so we get distracted. We're printing home by a whole bunch of debt. We're importing a whole bunch of people and that aren't even of any bit of skills to this country whatsoever, what we need. And no one wants to talk about our failing birth rate, as well, we're at 1.42 per female. We used to be at 2.1 back in '05. And we've just been on a path of destruction ever since then where the cost of living is up way too high. You know, people wanna be having kids at later ages and stuff like that. It's just, I don't know, I just feel like we're at a breaking point in this country and I can feel it all across wherever I go, all across the country. - 100%. - I went out last night, people pulled me up, say thank you. You know, I go to the airport last week. You know, people pulled me up saying thank you. But the problem is, is why are they pulling a podcast around? Right, why aren't they pulling Fed remembers up and being like, I love what you're saying in parliament? - Because they don't love what they're saying in parliament. - Yeah, exactly right. - So we went out yesterday, I did three shopping centers in Northern Salvador, some of my team. And I was staggered by the reception, to be honest. People were coming up approaching us, just saying, you know, we need to change, something's going wrong. A lot of labor voters, saying no, they've jumped to one nation now, a lot of liberals that have said no, they're on one nation because no one else is speaking about the issues that matter. And one shopping set of the cops, they call the cops on us, right? The security goes, you're not allowed here. Why aren't I allowed here? - What? - Yeah, you're not allowed here. - They call the cops. - So he said, we weren't allowed there. I said mate, I'm actually going to buy a coffee. You know, I've got a red cap on. No, you're talking to people. And I said mate, pick us people, come up to me and want to talk to me. - Yes. - I'm allowed to do that too. I'm calling the police, they said good. So the cops, they wanted selfies. But it's just, what's one of a society, are we? Where you're walking through the mall with an orange one nation cap on and a couple of broke-shrug t-shirts, doing nothing wrong. Just talking to people that want to talk to us and smiling at people, and they call the police. - God forbid a politician goes out in there, a lecturer, and wants to talk to the people and get the feeling of what's happening on the shop floor. - God forbid. - We went to the next shop, etc. The 20 Ks away or whatever. And the security did the same thing. He said, I'm calling the cops to say good mate, they're not going to come because we've just met them. It's all good. And sure enough, the police didn't come. And then the third one, no one was interested in politics. It was just fascinating that the difference. And there was, we weren't approaching people. People, some people did approaches, but you could tell 95% of the people didn't even know our election was going on. And zero interest. And I found that quite fascinating too, to be honest, that people are so disengaged or can be. - A lot of people were checked out. - Yep. - Yeah, they called it a discussion call. He's being called Black Pilled. Have you ever heard that term? - Now, I heard the red and the blue pill. - So you get the red and the blue, and you're like, take this one, take this one. There's a new one called the Black Pilled. They just think that the system's completely gone. No point voting, no point caring about anything because it doesn't matter who's in. It's always going to be the same. And you know what? - I can understand why people got like that. - I like that. - I want to change that. A lot of the younger generation is like that. - Yeah, but I think that's also changing. You ask why people are coming to you as a podcaster and talking to you about stuff. It's because everyone's trapped in their algorithm now. - Mm-hmm. - Right? And they're getting fair information that they like and they want. And so they're not tuning into the mainstream media. They're tuning into you and they're tuning into others like you. And so you're the new famous people for them. And there's another element, you know, the left will have theirs just trying demonize, you know, people, normal people. And they trapped in their algorithm as well. And then there's a bunch of people I think who are trapped in, you know, fashion algorithms or, you know, cooking algorithms or everything and have nothing to do with politics whatsoever. And that's their steady diet of stuff. And even I'm fine, I'm getting trapped. And I'm not on social media. I do social media and someone else deals with it all. But even on finding that I just like to get my news in a different way than watching on Telly or on any other screen. - Oh yeah, a lot of people think that I get trapped in on my phone a lot, but I just originally posted and got out of there. There's too many people that are harassing you, 20 people asking questions, I get thousands of comments a day. And you can get caught up in algorithms like, you know, like leftist girls get caught up in the chat field. Algorithm where they just hate everything and hate every man and stuff like that. Then there's people on the right side, they get caught up on the right side of, you know, and the algorithm feeds you more. - So you're pulverizing society, right? - Yeah, so you've got one bunch over here, one bunch over here, that's the socials. It's been fed by politicians. And I can understand why people say, no, mate, I don't want a bar of it. Nothing's got better in my life. I went to a debate the other day. It wasn't even debate presentation to shooters. I'm a sporting shooter. I like shooting. and there are about 20 police there, none of whom have shot a gun, I guess, before. - Probably even handled a gun before. - Probably not, but they're all on the one page about protecting rights. And I stood up and one of them was saying something. And I said, let's sit down and say, look, the reason I'm running for politics, one of them is because they're coming for my rights as a licensed firearm owner, and you've done nothing about it for four years. And you're just telling me, you have not said a word about it. And so why should we believe you now that you are suddenly gonna stand up for freedom and people's rights to do lower abiding activities? - Because there's an election in two weeks. - Exactly, exactly. And so they all turn up at election. Now I'm really interested, I promise I'm gonna do this, I'm promise. And then they go silent. You know, and I've heard stories about the legislative council, where they put stickers on their door. Sorry, it's family time, or I'm going to pick the kids up or something. I'm not a work. Now, what other workplace can you do that? It's just a whole bunch of stuff that says, our politicians are lazy and they're coasting. And so, you know, I figure I can get in there and shake them up a little bit. - Well, that would be interesting, 'cause I mean, it definitely needs to shake up, but the lazy part about it really, really grants my gears. And I don't think it's just a federal level or state level, it's going down to the council level as well. You know, like I had Carlos on here as well, you're talking about him before. And, you know, the laziness, just to get documents from the World Economic Forum about how we need to be managing our councils and slap that up onto council websites. I'm like, why are we referring to World Economic Forum documents at local legislative council levels? It's like, yeah, okay, I reckon it's because someone's been grandfathered into some, you know, idiotic trip, and they like it, and they want to go again. And they want to feel they're part of the collective, right? And then the WF boast about having their tentacles, I'm sorry, their people, their trainees in cabinets all around the world, right? And they appoint these people, they give them titles, they take them away, they buy them a lavish dinner, and a five-star hotel room, and they go back and they've got a useful idiot, as Len and used to call them, I think. And we don't need that. What we need are people to go, I'm happy for people to go overseas, and have a look at stuff, right? I think that's actually pretty good, but you've got to look at it critically, not naively. There's a story that I once told about, a lobbyist that I mean, I thought he was a mate, but he was just business turned out. We went out for coffee and he invited me to go to see this Chinese company who wanted to invest in Australian telecommunications. I said no, they're communist, they're spies, whatever. And so he belittled me, he charged the client for the meeting by the way. But I saw a bunch of my colleagues go over there, and seemingly smart people, and then come back and say, oh, Huawei, yeah, Huawei should be allowed to invest in Australian telecommunications infrastructure. - So over to China? - Yeah, they go to China, they look at the factory, they'll be told, oh no, there's no backdoors, there's no spies, there's no bugs or anything else. You know, of course, we just want to compete on a business sense, and they come back, and these are senior politicians, like cabinet members, and they'd say no, Huawei should be able to invest in Australia's telecommunications. Imagine the access that have to everything. I mean, there's people are spying, they're stealing our blueprints, they're spying and stuff anyway, they're tapping phones, they're doing a whole range of stuff, not just China, but a lot of these other countries, and we do the same, by the way. But so you've got a senior person entrusted with the national security clearance, saying we should be able to do this, advocating. And I just, you can shut, it beg his belief, you just shut down as having confidence in people's judgment. - Yeah, I'm a massive one against foreign lobbying. I think it should be completely, yeah, it needs to be pushed back on massively banned even, and, or have heavy, heavy restrictions over it. Like, I mean, Israel have a big foreign lobbying group, Taiwan have a big foreign lobbying group, China have a big foreign lobbying group, and I hate the fact that our politicians are going overseas in potentially areas that don't even involve them, right? Like, I could imagine if there's a defense minister that needs to go over and, you know, chat with your child with Taiwan, or go to the States or something like that, or a foreign minister, but when you've just got ministers here that, their job is to Australia, and they've got nothing to do with any type of foreign interests, but they still are going on trips overseas, it just, it grinds my gears, because I always think that's Australia last. - Yeah, I don't know specifically about the ministers, going on some of those trips, because a lot of them can't, right? So if you're a government minister, I don't think you can go to Taiwan on one of these trips. So it's mostly back benches. I've been to Taiwan a couple of times, mostly because I was interested in it, you find a bit of history, and that begs the question, right? I still don't understand why Australia would pledge to go to war, if China decided to take Taiwan back, right? It just makes no sense to me, but then war doesn't make any sense to me anymore, right? I think it's all beer. - Cool. - Yeah, I'm just the man, yeah, I just hate these trips, how they happen, and I just think like who cares, who cares about that part of the world? - Okay, now this is another conversation, right? I think you've got to care about the world, but there's a limit to what caring is, right? We ship a heck of a lot of money off to other countries that I don't think we've got any other business, any business doing that for it all. We end up borrowing money through national debt from the same countries we give money to in foreign aid. A lot of it's misused, we know that, but it comes back to this notion of war, right? I reckon when I was your age, and I'm gonna say you were cruel before by saying 55 as old, right? I'm 56, you're really cruel. (laughing) When I was your age, I probably thought war was cool, I'd never been to war, right? And apologies to those who have it, 'cause it's not cool. And I thought there was always a justice for it, always justification that we were on the side of the righteous. I don't think that anymore. I don't think there is a righteous side in many of these things. I think they manufactured the conflicts for money or for political purposes. And I don't believe anything that I'm told to justify it. And whether that's the Ukraine, Russia, or that's going on, or the current one in Iran, you know, for example, we were told last year I reckon that Iran had no nuclear capability to be obliterated and would take decades to rebuild. And last week we were told it was close to having a nuclear bomb. In fact, I read this morning, it's close to having a nuclear bomb. Well, a lot changes, then, doesn't it? Well, that's what the papers tell you as well, but Trump's team even said last week that they are not close to making a nuclear weapon. Well, so what do we believe? Exactly. This is the thing. But then you put the pieces together and you go, okay, maybe Trump is the master strategist, right? And he's gone, how do we cripple China and make America great again, right? Well, we'll have regime change in Venezuela, even though Venezuela was the deep states, you know, dark operative for a long time, but suddenly they're no longer useful. So let's do that. Let's liberate, you know, Venezuela, 'cause we care about them suddenly. And maybe we care more about the oil. And then we'll go and blow up the Middle East so that's another supplier of oil to China. And we'll see what we can get some regime change. Yeah, because suddenly we care about the Iranian people. And maybe the strategy is an economic one. But there's a price that comes to it. And I don't reckon that I don't think a war in Iran is gonna be a quick one. Oh no, have you seen this rain? Do you know the terrain in Iran? No, I don't know the terrain in Iran, but it's like, so it's a fortress. And it is a natural fortress. And it got hundreds of thousands of troops. I mean, I just look at Iraq. And Iraq, we spent whatever was 10 years there. Yeah, Iraq was a bit more of a desert. We'd like oil fields in that. So it was a bit more easier to take. But we still spent 10 years there. Oh yeah, yeah. And it's still a basket case. And there were no weapons of mass destruction. That was a lie. And how many soldiers, how many US soldiers died off the back of that? I think a million Iraqis died off the back of that lie as well. But the thing with Iran, I mean, if they're talking about a grand invasion, they will lose hundreds of thousands of troops. There's so many mountains, choke points, to get caught in. It would be a devastating approach to even think about putting boots on the ground. And so you think about the guerrilla type warfare that can take place in all of those things. Then you put a layer of drones on it, which is the new, apparently the Iranians have 800,000 drones or something. And they can make a lot more quickly. And they can make them faster than the West can make interceptors. So interceptors are the ones that shoot up and defend Israel. And I'm told those missiles are a million dollars a piece and it drains $50,000. And it takes two or three missiles. It doesn't take long to bleed there. So I come back to this, I think a lot of it is about money somehow. Yeah, it is. It's mostly about the straight of Hormuz. So do you know the straight of Hormuz? Yeah. OK, so that Iran controls that. 40% of China's oil supply goes through that straight from the Middle East. If the US and Israel force raising change in Iran, then they have soft control in Iran. And if they want, they can shut down that straight and shut down China's oil supply. So it is about China. So I was guessing and you've thought-- Well that's what I think it is. That's what I think is, but also as well, you can't look past Israel wanting to expand further in the Middle East. And I mean, it was just a couple of days ago that they were talking about how Turkey is in next threat. And I'm like, you're not even finishing a run yet. And now you're talking about Turkey, who is a NATO member. But when did NATO members? And they wanted to include them in the EU for a long period of time. So the whole world is upside down. It's confusing. I think it's full of BS. And I reckon that politicians are responsible for almost all of it. And that's what's wrong with the world today. What's wrong with the West is we've got a whole bunch of people who are captive to one little clique or another. I think the Epstein files demonstrate that there's a blackmail operation going on at almost every level. You have to wonder how far that sort of activity extends across continents and how deep into the state. It doesn't feel people a lot of hope. And so I think people are looking for a bit of honesty. And you know what? The honesty is coming from the likes of Joe Rogan from you, Elon Musk, in many respects. You know, people are just looking to these people saying, well, then I'm afraid to have conversations about stuff that's important. And now they want to see that reflected in their political leaders. Because I have a hundred percent the conversation that we just had about overseas is so coordinated by media outlets. If what no there was no there's no way in hell that that conversation would be loud on mainstream media. The conversation that we just had about what we think about war, how we think it's controlled, how we think it's manipulated. And how's potentially just an economic benefit. There is no way it would be better to say that on mainstream media. And that's the reason why everyone is leaving mainstream media in their droves and coming to podcasts like this. Yeah, because they want to hear a conversation in different points of view. And I think you learn stuff from other people. They've got different experiences and different skills. And like I've learned stuff from you today. But the whole thing is they're so disenchanted with what passes as leadership. That they're looking for other people to guide them and to give them some a pathway forward. And I truly believe now that the rise of one nation and I hope it's sustainable and it will change the country is due to the fact that the same woman that's been demonised for 30 years by that these parties hasn't changed. And most of what she said has come true. And they're going crikey. These two are lying. This mob is telling us the truth. And every time they attack us like the ABC having a crack at me or the green. It makes us stronger because you go, I don't care. I literally do not give a figure. If some some green starts slaying off because I've offended him or the ABC says something. I just don't give a hoot about it. They do not realise that they're greatest or the greatest fundraiser and advertising campaign for you guys is the ABC and the left of politics. Yeah. They are the greatest funders for you guys. Every time they attack you people go, oh hang on, but I actually agree with what Pauline says or what Corey says or what Barnaby says. And none of us are perfect, right? Except Pauline. Do you Pauline your perfect? None of us are perfect, but we're human. You know, and we, so we're not there just parroting some line that someone's written for us the morning before. We're talking about what we really think about the stuff. And I reckon that's there's a place for it. And I think it's going to become more and more important in this country. Speaking of Pauline, so when you thought about getting back into politics was there a bit of rumblings and then did she give you a call and say, how do you think? It's a bit of a strange, strange story. Like I was supportive of one nation for a little while. I'd buy the rum and the gin and I sent them some money for the federal election campaign and stuff like that. And because I'd really believed in what they were doing. And I did mention to one of my mates that I was thinking of running as an independent candidate because I thought the local member where I live in the regional South Australia was lazy and hopeless. And I thought the region could do better with an independent. I still think that I think there's five independents running their numbers. And I'll obviously that person had spoke to Pauline and then a phone call came and they said, look, are you interested in getting back into politics? I said, I am. They said, well, look, we'd really like someone to help us head up one nation in South Australia. Would you be interested? I said, yeah, let me talk about it with my family. So I did, I spoke to the kids and they're adults, but I still wanted to respect them. Ask my wife's permission because I have to. And yeah, so I agreed to do it and step in and met the state president and everything else. We reached an agreement on where we wanted to do and it was kept a secret for five months, I reckon, six months. Right. And that says a lot about a political organisation where half a dozen people knew maybe a few more, but it was kept a secret. Well, I know me here, everything cannot in here. Yeah. And, you know, God, I love talking, especially about myself. I wanted to tell people, but we didn't. We didn't tell anyone. It was literally, it was just, it was just fantastic. People had come up to me and talked to me about one nation. All right. So that's when I knew there was something really on the ball because I'd be walking along the beach with the dogs and somebody come up and go, I get a quarry. Isn't that Albin easy terrible? And I go, yeah, he's pretty terrible. The only one who can save us is Pauline. Right. And it happened again and again and again. And people who never engage with politics with me didn't know they thought I was out of politics. And I'm just thinking, wow, there is, there is something really happening here. Yeah, my lobbying group. And I think we're going to release the information that's sensational, by the way, the Australian lobby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We need to get on to because we'll chat about it in a bit. But my lobbying group, they did some data about the voice campaign and the rise of one nation. And where how many months in the voice campaign started to die off? And people were like, no, we need to go against this. And they had the similar data pattern for the rise of one nation. But they think one nation is past the point of where the yes campaign failed. And it's almost like this data driven graph where it's saying one nation is this beast now, which can't be stopped. Look, that we're almost at that point. I mean, like, for example, I saw a jump in. I spoke to some family members and they are very left-leaning labor voters. And I said, what are you doing in ex-selection? And they just looked to me and said, we're voting one nation. And I always like, what the fuck? This was the story of yesterday in the room full of people, the RSEL at down at Elizabeth, labor voters, traditional labor voters are going to go into one nation. So it's not just the liberal party. It's the labor party voters traditionally that are starting to look at us as well. But let's go back to where one nation is. I came to the conclusion that what Paul Em was doing was important. I left the liberal party, tried to do my own thing to try and shake up the system. But realized that what she had done for 30 years, my nation is part of the vernacular. Right. It is ingrained in Australia for good or for bad. Everyone knows what one nation is. Right. And that's the starting point for being able to build something really sustainable. Now people are waking up to the fact that she's been right. And that there's no credible real alternatives to it. None that want to wade into the territory where she's wading into, which is about the, it is the culture wars. You notice they always want to say, stop the culture wars, stop talking about the culture wars. Because they, because then they win. Yeah, exactly. So it's silence us. They say, stop stop the culture wars. They win the culture wars. It's about that. It is about what I would say is fair trade, but we don't have it. So we've got to be very nationalistic in how we're approaching our own thing. We've got to put Australia first, Australians first. We've got to make sure government is smaller and less obtrusive. All of these things, people are waking up to going, no, why are we, why are we surrendering to the W. E. F. All the W. H. O or whatever? And while I mentioned the W. H. O. I think also the pandemic, the, the, the fake pandemic, woke a lot of people up to the, the BS. Oh, yeah, massively. Right. They realize governments are overreaching in this, we had that Stephen Marshall blog. Who, who passed a law that allowed people to be taken out, dragged out of the home with no arrests or no crime committed. Just in case they sort of had COVID or we're going to breach the COVID rules. It was like, it's like a thought crime. There was no science behind the COVID. You know, I was amazed here that Nicholas Spurrier every day would turn up with a hair done. I reckon the hairdresser was coming in even though he had to be six feet away from each other. It was just nonsensical and people were railing against others. And it said to me, if you go back to World War II, right? And everyone talks about, oh, if the Nazis came to power, I would have been a conscientious objector. I would have done this and everything else. It said to me, this is how, how, how how manipulated population can be when the media and the government get together until the people that, the propaganda, 90% of all believe it, swallow it all. Another or wise in hindsight, and they don't want to talk about it. No one has to be held to account, but that's how you manipulate people. And so they want to shut down the truth tellers. That's why they hate, they put the hate speech bill in. They want to go after the podcasters. They want to send to the internet. they want to silence people like Pauline Hanson and every everything that they don't like, they will repeat a shreds on. Yeah, they've been coming after, I mean, Alexander was brilliant about this when we were talking on the podcast with the hate speech group laws as well. It's like, he voted against it because he goes, "It's just a Trojan horse." They tell you it's about this and they tell you they're going after Hitzbitt's Rituala or whatever that time is on me. Yeah, that's the one. I tell you after they're going after them, but in two years' time it'll be two world scolitis spreading hate and division. He's on. You know, big chocke, he's spreading hate and division through his podcast. He's done. One nation is spreading hate and division or there's this, let's say there's a new political movement rise up in five or ten years called Restore Australia or something like that. They're spreading hate and division. They're out. So anything that comes up and threatens the establishment, they can now bury them with a very, very overarching and totalitarianism type laws. And they'll do it in such a way that they'll make it look like it's in the interests of the Australian people. Yeah, they use kids first. Well, they use the kids. Under 16 social media ban. Yeah, yeah. And parents just go along with, "Oh, thank goodness we don't have to make a decision. We don't actually have to parent our children." Right. And it won't be long before that we're going, "Oh, please put it back because we don't want to talk to our kids anymore." You just go to the cafe, I don't know if you've seen lots of young families there and there's a kid one or two or three, then I've had him proud of it, just entertaining itself because nothing doesn't want to talk to her. Yeah, that's how number one, number one rule with us is that there will never be iPads, iPhones and our kids will ever be allowed to have it. Yeah, good luck with that. I had the same rule with two or whatever. Pubody one I reckon. Yeah. But not at like two or three years ago. No, no. It was a different era, right, when my kids were there. But yeah, Alex is 100% right. And when it comes to the government, they'll ban it and they'll say, "I'll it's for your own good." And they will then manipulate the media, the mainstream media, to reflect that because we don't have investigative journalists anymore except for the lefties who want to investigate anything they don't like. But they'll just go along with it. They'll frame it in such a way that, "Oh, please reflect this. We'll make sure your fees are minimized or advertised with your station or whatever." That's how it works. It's controlled because it's business and the government has too many hands in business. And this is where I come back to this. The dividing society now is one of government and big business and elites. You know, the ones who have access to power and money, they're there. Down the bottom, they're wanting a whole bunch of people who don't own anything. I genuinely believe that. It's not about home ownership. They don't want you to be renting a home because it makes you controllable. They want you having to go to work and do whatever because it makes you malleable. What they're hollowing out is that middle class. They're aspiration. They're saying, "You're never going to get up here. We don't want you in your own little business because it's actually too high. We can't control that either." And so if you go back to the old communism days, it was, you know, you hollow out the bourgeoisie. The middle class. And you just have the serfs and the elites. That's what we're saying. Big business doesn't care who's in government. They'll just go along with whatever. Cocker, Mamie, skin, the voice, or the same sex marriage or whatever it is. Whatever government puts up. Yeah, good idea. That's good. Sorry, a couple of million dollars into it because they can afford it. But the bureaucracy that is, and the red tape and the green tape and the black tape and every other color tape that has been handled for the middle class in small business owners is driving them out of business. And that's what's happening in this society. So I want to arrest that. Something like a quarter of a million businesses last year went under small businesses in Australia, you know? But our economy is doing so well. We're doing amazing. The economy is fine because we keep importing half the planet through initiatives like Dharma, which is funded and sponsored by NDIS. Well, think of all those small business operators in the NDIS. It's a scandal. It is a scandal. And the only way we can hope to change it is through politics right now. So we need a revolution of sorts. I wrote a book called The Conservative Revolution. But I think it stands with the test of time quite well. So it's not a revolution in traditional sense, but we have to turn the current thinking and the current processes on their head completely because what used to be right is now wrong and what is wrong is now in control. Hey, I want to quickly jump on to the natural resource sector and oil sector. How have we been exposed? Right. A lot of people were talking about it this week. Our fuel prices are going up. And the lack of awareness from a government that seems to be ideologically driven by this green energy agenda, but then they just forget about reality. Right. One of the realities is fuel, you know, and oil. We have something like 25 or 32 days worth of oil reserves in this country. The straight up from ours is still close. We're supposed to as per international standards hold 90 days worth of oil reserves, but we don't. And we're used to extract and refine 75% of our oil in the early 2000s. And now we're down to something like 20 or 25%. And we even send oil that we extract from Australia over to China or something like that. Then they refine it and then we buy it back off. And I think also South Australia sits on a lot of oil, but it's different and you have to be able to mine it differently, but they do it. Sorry, you have to extract it differently, but they do it over in the states. Right. And they said 10 years ago, it can't be done, but now it probably can be done with further technical and global advances. So. And you get then you get that and then you get the natural resource sector. Like we're closing down our coal fire power plant up in Port Piri, wherever it is. Island to be or whatever it is here. The gas station. That's getting closed down. South Australia imports its energy from Brisbane, New South Wales. It goes from Brisbane to New South Wales to Victoria and then it comes in to South Australia and everyone's putting their premium all the way through and across the state border and we pay more than ever, but we've got solar panels and wind farms. Oh yeah. Now they're fantastic, but nothing works during the winter. But and then we have some of the world's greatest rains of Pods. It's 600 kilometers north of this location and we're not even looking at nuclear energy. We'll look at nuclear energy for submarines. Oh yeah, sorry. That's just another hypocrisy isn't it? Yeah. It's like and the likes of Peter Malone-Anskis, the likes of Anthony Averneze, Chris Bowen. If you want to get inflation down, you target electricity prices. Of course you want. Energy. Like the energy runs this country. Why aren't we using it? So you mentioned three labour politicians, right? But it's just the same on the other side of politics. Well, they're the ones that brought, liberal board in the Green Gender. And they did. And I remember the debates we would have about that in the party room and you know, we were all pariahs when I say we. It was led by a bloat named Ron Boswell who's gone now. Senator, really impressive, like new all this stuff. His campaign slogan used to be, "I'm not pretty, but I'm pretty effective." Right. Which I thought was quite genuine. But energy security is everything, right? Without energy, we've got nothing in this country. We won't be able to pump any gas. We won't be able to have the internet going. We can't do anything. That's there. Wind in solar is never going to cut it. Right. And so we do need to look at nuclear. I think that's absolutely important. And maybe the subs will be a catalyst for that because it's stupid that we can have a sub-powered and fueled by nuclear energy. But we're not allowed to have it powering and fueling our homes. We've got to use the fossil fuels that we've got. I used to be a real free market guy. I think in government shouldn't do the private sector issue, but I'm all for building a coal-fired power station because no one will fund it because of the uncertainty. The only person that people that can do it at this point is government to say, "Well, we'll give you the regulatory certainty to do this." And so I do think government needs to do something in that sector. But just extrapolate this forward of it. We're going to build submarines in this state. $30 billion in five years, apparently. How are we going to power all the stuff that's required to do that, to construct the ramps and the buildings and everything else before we get to the submarine? And then you jump forward a bit and you think, "I think AI is going to change everything." Oh, yeah. It's already changing everything. Yeah, incredibly. It's going to wipe out a lot of jobs, but it's incredibly energy intensive. Right? So if Australia wants to be anywhere near competitive with the rest of the world as far as artificial intelligence, we're going to have to have the cheapest, most reliable electricity in the world. And we could have it. We used to have it. And now we don't. And the only better spot I know that Australia for energy is actually Paraguay. Paraguay is one of my favourite places. It's a bit weird. Don't ask me why, but I can't tell you why. I just like it, right? But they have basically 100% renewable energy because of Hydro. And so, it's probably the energy is very, very cheap. There's a lot of Bitcoin mining that's going on there. There's a lot of manufacturing that's going on there. So you're taking a country which is a developing country into the first world on the back of cheap and reliable electricity. And what are we doing? We're going the other way. Well, if you go the other way as well and you increase your energy prices, they gap you're talking about more than the communism gap that they try and do, that's what's happening. I honestly believe. the government is trying to run a communist type style government to allow this bridge to happen and to allow the elites to sit here and what the portman was sitting here and there be no more middle class. I met a boat yesterday he said I bought solar panels and a battery and he said but silly me signed up to the sort of scheme. Oh the drawback one? Yeah yeah. He said when I need to use it they suck 80% of the battery out and feed it somewhere else and he said so it's really not that much benefit to me because you know I don't need the battery during the day I need it at night and that's when there's not enough it runs out. So there's something going on that is not in our interest and what how did it come to this we're not changing the climate we're not destroying the climate what we're doing is destroying jobs making ourselves uncompetitive and maybe hollowing out the middle class. I hate I just it just kills me it really really does it kills me the fact that no the government is doing this on purpose Chris Baum will sit there and and gladly probably take some type of political incentive from you know big green billionaires like Mike Cannonbrooke Simon Holmes core climate 200 all these guys have seen to capture Twiggy Forest as well all these guys seem to capture the Labor Party part of the Liberal Party as well because the moderates would listen to them and at the end of the day it's just whoever backs politicians like you look at these green agenda guys like oh wow he gave $852,000 to David Pocos. This is this is the kind of soft corruption that actually goes on in politics right and I use that term recently so don't see me whoever's out there but it's easy to influence politicians and and for politicians that have never been exposed to to wealth or or you know luxury items and experiences being in the vicinity of someone who's wealthy is like a thrill they think somehow the magic is going to run above on them so yeah right they think it's going to solve some problems not just the fundraising problems from that but oh no if I'm nice to this person I'll be in there in a circle and I'll go and you know they'll be able to experience something and when I leave politics they might give me a life line but what gets me about these green oligarchs are they always want government money to do their stuff and you know Twiggy gets he's got plenty of cash but he gets millions and millions from the government to do things that generally don't work or don't come off and does he give the money back I don't know I don't see that I don't ever expect that they you know they've always got a fancied of a idea and the government thinks it's safe to give them money because they're in brand name and they're this and everything else a safe pair of hands but the deliverability is really pretty low and so it's not hard to influence a may a good bottle of wine you know I trip to the country retreat a fancy meal and you have most of the politicians eating out of the palm of your hand I was talking to Antic about this as well because he's a big one on sort of banning this lobby and that's because no one invites him out you see yeah that's he eats by himself and by myself I said it right yeah but well okay because this is a good one because I asked Antic about it as well and he had to sort of I know I know the political answer they had to give to me like yeah you know I just like to e-bomber self tried to turn around a bit but I know I almost know for a fact that because he stands on his morals and stands away from what these guys represent which is like big business everything else and he more stands with the people he gets ostracized when it comes to any is is that correct like these 100% yeah 100% you just get to a point where it is uncomfortable and you just go I can't be bothered engaging what happens in Parliament House is the members and guests dining room right there's a part for the members section there's collective tables there's the labor parties over there liberal parties over here in the middle there's you know the the nationals they can have their own little table in the greens but the greens never go up there they collectively dine somewhere else together this is how it used to be anyway and literally it was great it was all full of camaraderie when I first started there in 2006 and then of course as soon as you start bucking the system a little bit like in 2008 we started getting to the climate change battles and things the separation comes on a little bit you could still get past it but now it's just got worse and worse and worse so by the time I left in 2016 now 2020 I beg your pun the there was a clear choice I just couldn't be bothered you know there's only two or three people that I actually want to have a meal with ever so you might go out on Wednesday night when you finished early to have a meal with a few colleagues and you know kind of that was it I was just happy being in my office I'd go down and get some take away from the shop downstairs and go up there and eat all because you didn't didn't didn't follow the status quo with the party you just get tired of the silly battles you're listening to the same inane talk about how good they are and how smart they are and you know you just think I can't be bothered is it pretty yeah is it a bit of a shitty environment palantin house toxic toxic oh yeah just think about anything right so you've got 5,000 people that converge maybe more now on one little building that building people are in there from I used to get in there at 16 the morning I'd walk in try to go to the gym and stuff and then I'd leave maybe 11 o'clock at night most nights and other so you're tired you're afraid you're in a very intense atmosphere where everything is a booby trap you know you're reckon the terrain around is pretty tough yeah palantin house is pretty tough too because you can walk around the corner you're not sure what someone's told someone else that tells the journalist and then they come confronting you you just don't know what's come in your way so you're living on your your wits and there's no predictability so it is a toxic environment and then you throw in a few things like there there's people that you know alcohol becomes an issue for some I'm sure there's some drugs there's relationship breakups that happen because of things that happen in palantin house and very few people walk out of politics a bit without some scars I reckon what do they say you're either dead defeated disillusioned as another D whatever it is you know when you when you get out of it and unfortunate so thing and I just there were lessons for me very early right and it made who died in office and she was a really good made of mine and she died in the whole circus came to a stop the center came to a stop for a day of mourning for her and then we had condolence speeches and the next day it all went on again as if she was never there you know and so the machine has to keep going but it made me realize we're all doing an important role while we're here but we're not actually important in the scheme of things right some of them replace you tomorrow because that's what's going to happen and as soon as you realize that you you can put a bit of context in it and then of course early in the piece I got a couple of good mates one who's just gone green vegan he's just flipping weird now but anyway we still go out um he he said to me I had six months you won't talk to people like me and I always remembered that because I hope that's not there for case and then occasionally I come home and I'd be you know thinking I was an exalted ruler or something my wife had chopped me down in two seconds you know and so I had these checks and balances and then there was a point where you go no I'm completely cool yeah yeah so you know that's and I don't reckon a lot of people have those checks and balances yeah Alex has them I know his message has as I know he he has a healthy healthy contempt for the pomp and ceremony of it and and the stuff that that people want out of it you got to realize for some of them it's the best job they've ever had they're attaining for an unhappy childhood you know and this is I told you so stuff so let me strut around in my suit and make myself feel good yeah I feel like a lot of him just loses midwits and there's a fair share of loses isn't it yeah yeah yeah so do you think that with your previous history in in politics and the lessons that you've just learned and obviously fair you better for what you're going to be going forward doing now right yeah 100% and and I say that without any any pride but you just you get muscle memory and anything you do you you you you understand the tricks you understand that the language that people use when they're trying to mislead you and I've done been in that environment with some of the best in the business and some of them are really good people a lot of them were not really good people but all of that collective knowledge gives you an understanding of the process that I think is lost on people it takes years to learn it and it takes scar tissue an old label about lefty tell me need a bit of scar tissue to survive in this game son I think I'd just been nailed to the crossbife you know some some journalist you know whatever egregious breach of the world's rules were and I said are you and he says benefit can survive it you know you'll get better and that's true you know once you've you've you've had a bit of battle scars you realize oh it's not that bad I can survive that and you keep going now I'm just a big ball of scar tissue it just doesn't matter to me they can throw whatever they want at me I just I'm not fussed about I'm not going to be distracted from what I think is right I can't be bullied I can't be bought I can't be threatened I because I don't care I care about the job but I do not care about whatever things I want to throw my way we don't really care but you means really do you like well I can't hey I'd be a fucker I have to use basket case by the end. No, I don't. My friends like me whether they agree with my politics or not. If someone doesn't like you because you're politics, they won't you friend in the first place or they're just, I think, a fool. You know, you're in the streets from where I say, "Is it your Corey Bernardi?" I'd now go, I'm depends. Because I don't want to have conflicts with people, but I'm just not going to put out with people being rude. - Yeah. You have lost a few friendships through speaking my mind, but they weren't really friendships in the first place. If someone gets angry or has a different opinion to me in regards to my political position, I just thought, "I mean, I'm not losing any sleep "and over, all right, I'll just keep moving forward." - It's true. - Who gives a shit? - And in life, I reckon in political life, it's even fewer, but in life, as you get older, you realize there's fewer and fewer people in your circle of trust because you, they're the ones you want there. You know, the ones that'll be in the trenches with your analogue charge when the whistle's blowing. They'll be there to help you in your deepest needs or whatever you might be able to discuss with them. It's a really small circle and because you're weed people out of it to suckin' up your energy. And I'm really lucky in that respect. I've got a really good bunch of mates that I can depend on. And, you know, I like to think they depend on me too. And that's a really positive thing. The rest is immaterial. If my family's good, my mates are good. I'm happy just doing my business and trying to help other people. - Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. I'm very much the similar and the same. So, just in regards to one nation before we wrap up, in regards to one nation in South Australia, if you get the result that you want to get at our next election, so what are you guys gonna do with that power? - The answer is it depends. And, you know, the result I'd like is to get three upper-house people because, or four, we're running four on the ticket. It's not gonna happen, right? We've got a chance against three, maybe. It'd be nice to have some people in the lower house. But, do we have the balance of power? That's gonna be the depends. If, in the upper house, we do have the balance of power, then we can help shape legislation. In the lower house, I think it's, you know, you're gonna have a Labor government who have a majority. So, whatever happens though, we will be people that will go in and look at the stuff. We'll do the job I'm into being, which is to look at the legislation, pick out where the stupidity is, where the waste is, where the hidden Trojan horses are, and we'll try and speak up on behalf of ordinary South Australians. Right? Now, very hard to get stuff in the media because they don't seem to want to report it. They had things about an incumbent government, but there's plenty of other forums now. You know, social media is really a powerful outlet, podcasts like this to discuss stuff if people are interested in policy issues. All of that. And so we're just gonna leave no stone unturned and getting that place there. And for me, I wanna be the coach to try and mold the next generation of politicians in one nation in the state. - Hey, you made an interesting point before, the current media doesn't seem to want to be faulting the current government in any way, shape or form in South Australia. Like, I never hear bad things about Peter Melon. I'm asking some of you hear bad things about Labor. I never hear things about our debt. How bad that's happening? I never hear about energy prices. How bad it's happening here. I never hear anything bad about Labor in this state. Why is that? - Well, I suggest that Labor is the biggest advertiser in the mainstream media. - In South Australia? I would think that's the case. But there's a glaring example recently, right? In Australia, in a couple of weeks ago, maybe, 10 days ago. There was this thing about the digants. You know, they were charged with blackmailing the Premier and the Premier went and white himself up there and got information. And then, you know, there's court documents that said, he then told the police, I'll be careful with it, say, something like, can you please not release this or do the investigation until after the state election and various other things, right? Now, there was no case of blackmail, right? That was the case. That went to digota court apparently. But it seems a very clear case that the then leader of the opposition tried to influence a criminal investigation as to timings and things for his own purposes, political purposes. And it appears the police, you know, I'll stand correct. I think in the court judgment, it says the police obeyed the request of the instruction. - Mm-hmm. - Now, that's wrong. How would a politician, why would a politician be interfering in a police investigation of any description for political motives? That was in the Australian, big expose, a really interesting read. The court documents are interesting, not a word of it in any media here in South Australia. You gotta wonder why? You know, is it because they don't want Mellie to be smelly? I don't know. But it's just something that just seems really wrong. And in my experience, media practice censorship by omission as much as they practice censorship or manipulation of things. So you can do a conference, a media conference. You can tip a bucket of dirt on your opponents and terrible greens and labor party and it can be anything. They'll run the 10 second grab that doesn't mention that. - Mm-hmm. - That's, that's our timing issues. And so now I give them quotes and say, "Will you run all of that?" Oh, that depends on the digital team. - Oh, it depends on the digital team, man. - Yeah, yeah. I've seen them take names out. Oh, that's for defamation purposes. I'm saying it, you know. And he's the proof. I'm happy to do that. No, no, but it's because it's their source. - Yeah, the government all around Australia seems to be very, very left-wing media run. I mean, like months ago they had marches over in Victoria and like these left-wing anti-for-people rocked up and started throwing rocks at police and it got reported that the Australia marches for Australia rallies turned violent. - Yeah, not that anti-for-dilett. - Not that anti-for-dilett. Just the marches for Australia rally was violent. And I'm like, how did they come, like, who wrote that? Like, who pulled that article out? And the police commissioner came out and said it was the left-winged anti-for-people that brought the violence and they cut that out. And then they played that on national TV and I'm like, why did they cut out the left-wing part? - Because they're all lefties. Right, they've been through this system of leftist activists and they've been taught about all their rights and how righteous the left is from when they're at school. And then they go to university and they're given assignments where they have to cover things from a leftist perspective. It's ingrained in them. - Or universities are very left. - A terrible, just terrible. And in fact, if you try and buck the system, you get penalized for it. So it's just, I'll go along, I've gotta get my degree. Yeah, I'll write about how, you know, doing XYZ is really normal and because that's what my person wants. I don't made a mind tell me the other day. These are bad universities out now. That his daughter is at university and the lecturer takes questions and gives half the lecture in Mandarin because there's so many international students that can't speak English. - Tss. - And it's just like a deployment meal. They can't for nothing anymore. Might as we go to India by yourself or the green come out. It's recognized here now. I thanks the Albanese government. I might be a doctor next time we talk. - We're saying with stuff like drivers license, truck license. You know, their immigration standards are being lowered through this damoring initiative but we're talking now like anyone can come in. It's making, like I said, it's making illegal immigration legal in this country. I can't understand that. - Yeah, here's the thing about the drivers license, right? Got Guts truck. The one nation truck was nearly wiped out the other day by a trucky. - I seen that a little bit. - Yeah, yeah. - And here's the thing, right. I know that there are driving instructors who will take money to sign off on driving tests, right? Because I know it's happened to people that I, no, I'm not naive enough to think that it's not happening when it comes to truck drivers licenses too. - Oh yeah. - You know what, so you just give a few bucks over, you'll give a license to driver B double and you're a man or something on the road. And you know, that's incredible. People are now scared driving past because they're not sure of the qualifications of the people in charge of it. - I can tell you something even worse, the amount of, and I'm not talking Indians here, but I just, it was just observation that I've seen. I recently ran from Melbourne to Adelaide, along the Great Ocean Road, raised money for charity. It was last year, last, last year. - What's your 20 marathon, is it? - Yeah, it was 1442 Ks. I ran average 45 Ks a day for 23 days straight. - That's incredible. - Yeah, it's racing. - Thank you. And also my accomplishment loved it and glad it's behind me though, but I still love running. But I was running, when I had my running back from Rube, or probably Gambia, running back from Gambia to Rube and then to Adelaide, the amount of Indian truck drivers, like every single truck driver with Indian, there was no more like white Caucasian truck drivers. And I've also spoke to a friend that owns a safety business where they're here. Get a lot of trucks come in just selling safety equipment and he's like yeah the amount of Indian truck drivers since COVID It's like they went from like one in ten now. They're nine in ten. Wow just and did you say why? Well obviously mass immigration, but like they're not flooding in doctors like we said before they're not fighting in doctors or Engineers anymore. They're they're flooding in truck drivers and very low-skilled jobs and that and not saying that truck drivers are low-skilled I think it's quite true that truck is around the country, you don't know how the country but But the problem is you've got dangers on the roads if they're not complying with the existing rules that are there Rest and regulations or or they don't care about it or they've got licenses that are questionable or they're sharing licenses like they share Medicare cards and stuff in some of the migration communities You've got a huge problem and that's that's what people are reflecting to me And I drive to them from you know Lincoln regularly and there are times where I'm just gonna well I see what's happening on the roads. Yeah, yeah, it's a yeah, I mean Mate, there's a lot of issues to fix so I'm glad to my self-esteem pushback against it and Corbin only thanks for coming on to us cloud podcast my pleasure Sam. 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