The conversation centers on the treatment of Australian veterans, particularly Ben Roberts-Smith and Heston Russell, who are embroiled in war crime allegations. The host shares an anecdote from Afghanistan in 2012, where an insurgent disguised as an Afghan soldier killed three Australian troops. Ben Roberts-Smith is praised for his courageous response, taking control of the scene and pursuing the attacker alone into hostile territory. Both speakers criticize the media and government for vilifying veterans and rushing legislation, such as hate speech laws, without adequate public input. Pauline Hanson emphasizes her commitment to defending veterans and clearing their names, while also addressing broader concerns like mass immigration, political disconnection, and the need to protect freedom of speech. The dialogue underscores a perceived lack of support from military and political leaders, with calls for accountability and fair treatment of those who served.
(upbeat music) Hi guys, welcome back to Two World's Glide Podcast. On today's episode, we have Pauline Hanson. And this guest definitely does not need a length introduction. So let's get straight into the episode. I hope you guys enjoy. But no, yeah, I mean, you had Heston Russell when yesterday. You know Heston. - Yeah, I know Heston. - Yeah, it's a cool guy. Yeah, he was a great, very, very intelligent man. Very, very intelligent. And I actually did a selection course with him for the Commandos years ago. And it's just funny to reconnect. I haven't seen him in, geez, when did I do a selection course? - Oh, oh nine, 2009. That was the last time I seen him. - Okay, well. - Yeah, yeah, so he's good. - Now I've had a few meetings with Heston. - Yep. - He's been a caber, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, he was talking about when he was going through the Royal Commission. You were, you and Malcolm and a few others, were there any ones to, or the ones to give him a fair bit of support? - We have with the defense personnel even Ben Robert Smith. I support Ben Robert Smith. And he's given a Royal deal. So I think it's important to support those ones. I need support. - Can I tell you a quick story about Ben? - Yeah, please. - So, and I don't really talk too much about this, but it's just something that's probably a story that actually has gone untold. But the nine of the 29th of August 2012 of the Ozeva Season Afghanistan, and I got woken up. I was back at the main base in Tarantown, and the company that I used to be in was Bravo Company. Now we're at a place called Patrol Base Wahib. And an inside Taliban fighter reworked his way into the Afghan National Army and posed as a soldier there. So he was in any fighter. Anyway, my mates were going to sleep one night and playing cards. He turned around and shot and killed three of them. And he turned around and what? - He turned around with his AK-47 posing as a Afghan soldier and unloaded his clip of AK-47 rounds and shot and killed three of my mates. Private Pope Sapper Munn and Lance Corporal Milosevich on the one night. - Right, so he was an insurgent from the Afghan, and he joined. - Yeah, so he was an insurgent with the Taliban, joined the Afghan Army, and we called it a green on blue, and it was happening all the time over there. Matter of fact, Biden, not Biden, Obama thought about pulling everyone out because it just was happening too much. - Wow. - And it was really, there was a really, really tough time in Afghan, but anyway. So I got working up that night, got told there's three dead. It was Bravo Company, I'm like shit, I used to be in Bravo Company, blah, blah, blah. But the first team they threw out, though the first team they flew out was RS and his mates. So it was team of four. And so RS got there. He jumped and this is the, one of my mates has told this on the podcast when I had him on. He got into the small base and he walked in there and he just took control of the scene. And you imagine it's a pretty bad scene, right? There's probably 15 guys there, three are dead, two are two others are shot. They're loading our dead brothers onto the chopper. And RS there is sort of taking control of the scene. He then looked at one of the guys, one of our guys, and said where did the guy go? 'Cause the guy that shot our guys got away. And they said he ran that way. Ben Robbins Smith turns to his team and goes, guys stay here, control the scene. He jumped the fence, ran into an Afghan village full of Taliban soldiers at night by himself, trying to find this guy. Imagine going into a war zone by yourself, trying to find someone. He did it for like half an hour. Everyone was just like, did he really just jump the fence and run by himself? 'Cause I mean, trust me, you don't go outside the wire without like you're full force of your team. Any ran by himself. I'm like man, that guy's got my respect for life. - Yeah. - For life. - Yeah. - And it's just terrible what they've done to him. It's terrible what they've done to Hesto. It's terrible that a taxpayer-funded media organization is going after veterans. - I totally agree with you. That's why my position to be able to speak up for these men and sort of just thrown on to a butt, and under the bus. I'm not backing down on Ben Robotsmith. I saw him just a couple of months ago, about six weeks ago. Not even that. Yeah. But we've risked and I think anyway, Sydney, 17th of December, so caught up with him then. Had a good talk with him. And yeah, anyway, he appreciates it and I've spoken to his parents. So intent to keep fighting for him. He's aware of that. - Yeah, yeah. He's a man of the man as well. I remember seeing one time over in Half Game. We used to wear our body armor right. And like, body armor for me used to cover most of my chest. His body armor covered like it's like, it's like, it's like a heart. - Have you seen him lately? He's lost so much weight. - How's he really? - Oh, he's like this. - Wow. - Yeah, he's just now. He's drawn in the face. He should, you know, call it was so big on him. - Yeah. - Now he's just, no, he's not that big man that he used to be anymore. But he hasn't got the weight behind him. I think the stress and everything that's going on in his life. You know, it's really, I can see it's Australian on him. - Well, even, and ever since this stuff has happened, this war crime stuff, right? And since the rise of my platform, I have people message me daily and call me a war criminal. And like, it's not even for me, not even like, I didn't do anything. You know what I mean? Like, like, I wasn't in those units that are accused of doing this stuff. But because the media has just drilled any Afghan soldier, it's like, I put up a photo now of me in Afghan, I did it on Australia day. Comments are in there like, oh yeah, you're war criminal. How many kids do you kill? - I should go and put up my photos now. They're in my uniform. - You sure? - You sure? But it's just like this is, this is what the media is done now. Now, your average veteran, or let's say, you know, like any veteran now, we like, like they made us doubt ourselves in the past. - Sam, it's not the majority of the people. Okay, it's only a few out there. These aggressors think, unAustralian people have no understanding. They would never wear your shoes, but they're the biggest winters from planners and they would expect, you know, men like yourself and women to go out there and protect them and, you know, put their lives on the line for them. How can I time for them? I don't even listen to them. I don't care what they say. - Hmm, hmm, yeah. - Maybe that's the attitude I need to have now. - Well, you have, you've got, looked, you've got so much respect from the Australian people. I know you have, you know, and that's where people respect you. And that's why I say to a lot of people, I say quite often that I respect the men and women that have sacrificed their lives, you know, for our country to give us a freedom of speech in our democracy. I said, I'd have put my life in the line, but my job now is to continue that fight on the floor of parliament to make sure we have that democracy and freedom of speech that they fought and died for, or those ones, you know, even the ones in the military to stay, they could be called war tomorrow. And they're doing exactly that, putting lives on the line. - Would you, if you took power in parliament, would you run something where you would clear and click, get by people like Ben Robert Smith, Heston Russell, would you get all their names cleared? - Oh, you bet I would. - That'd be good. - I've set it to Ben Robert Smith. I said, I'm gonna keep fighting for this. And I'll keep speaking up about it. I made another comment about him only a few weeks ago and I'll stick by it. That's not right and it's not fair how they have been treated and it's wrong and it needs to be rectified. In the eyes of a lot of people, a lot of people don't understand. They believe what the media put out there. And the media has been my, you know, downfall in so many ways, the perception people have of me until they actually meet me or come into my meetings, listen what I have to say. Then they say, oh no, that's not how we perceived her. And the same things happen with, you know, yourself with your photos with Ben Robert Smith or Heston Russell and so many other people. Now, what happened to the administrative side of the defense? Where are they answering their questions? It comes from the top and a lot of these departments, government departments, the fish, it's rotten at the head. - I like when you said that because I know that's a burden and Angus Campbell, these guys just hang a whole bunch of us out to dry. - Yeah, they did. - And I'm fine. - So you guys have lost your handles? - But why didn't they? - Matter of fact, they got medals. - Yeah. - They were given medals for this. - But for what? - You know, they want to accept the medals and take it, but they don't claim that they know what went on. So what did you get your medal for? If you weren't actually there doing the work. - Exactly right. They got their medals for throwing us under the bus. - Yeah. - That's what they got their medals for. - I'd love to clear these people's names. You have a right to have your name cleared. The same as me, what they've done to me over the period of time. That's why I keep fighting to clear my name. It's my pride, you know? - You're definitely one tough lady. I mean, if someone threw me in prison years ago and then all they did after that was call me a racist, a bigot and all this sort of stuff, I mean, it has to chip away at some point. Does it look like you're a big guy?
like, I don't know, was there ever a point where you thought to yourself, maybe this isn't worth it? Yeah, I've got out of prison. And I said, are you going to have another girl of this? And I said, you'd have to have rocks in your head, wouldn't you? And I made that comment. And that was in 2003. What happened over the period of time was that I did, I got on with my life. And I got involved in celebrity stuff, whether it's celebrity dancing or, you know, dancing with the stars, who wants to be, you know, celebrity apprentice. I was involved in that as well, so I had a life. And then the party, those two left in the party, one nation, that was absolutely defunct, asked me to come back and lead the party. It took, don't worry, it took me a few months to think about it because I knew what was going to be needed. The work I needed to put into it. And I thought the country was not improving. And I thought, okay. So that's when I went back in and I had to rebuild the whole party from nothing. And then you know, I mean, gee, I like, this is the thing, even like five years ago, I would, I mentioned to you because my wife's away with her family at the moment. They're up the river. They love it, right? And took her out to Sikin' Nothorn. They're like, I'll wait, I'm back to Adelaide. I'm like, I've got Paul in coming on the podcast. I've gotta go back. And it was, it was actually crazy, right? Because you talk about someone like yourself two or three years ago. And they were like, oh, she's a racist. And then I had my wife's dad, Lichy, which is like, he's been a labor voter most of his life. He goes, you know, Pauline, she stuck to her guns and what she's actually said over the past two decades is coming to Trunow. So he even said he goes, you know, she's probably going to get my vote. And I'm like, whoa, this guy's a labor voter. Like his whole life. And then his wife was just like, yeah, I mean, it's getting to that point, isn't it? And I'm like, like that was a reality point where I'm like, oh, shit. It's three decades actually next month. Oh, really? March the second when I was first elected valentine 1996. So it's 30 years ago. So I haven't changed my stance. My tune has been sounding exactly the same. And everything that I've said because Sam, I'll look at it from a politician is supposed to make the decisions based on what's best for the country and the people as their representatives. So our job is not just till the next election. That's only ensuring your own seat. That's all it is. So what you're going to do is have vision for the future. Where do you want the country to go? It's like anyone starts up a business as I did. You don't do it for, say I'm only going to be here a year or two or something like that. You know, you really look for the vision of driving that business and make it profitable and that you're going to have a good outcome. To me, politics is no different in a lot of ways. That if you're going to put things in place, you make sure it's for the long term. But we haven't been thinking about where we want the country to end up in 10 or 15 20 years' time. We haven't thought about future generations where they're going to own their own home. It's all band-aiding. So all this legislation has been rushed through by the politicians, whether it's all the coalition, without clear thought. And it's all quick fixes, you know what I mean? Band-aids. Band-aids. So they bring the legislation, rush it, they don't think clearly, then all we're doing is band-aiding all the time because they've never got it right. But I know Labour has introduced legislation that puts up another 20 or 30 members to their own legislation before it gets passed. And the first government of this, not the Elben-EC First Chairman Parliament, they actually rushed through 220 bills of legislation, they guillotine it to cut off debate because they had the numbers. Well, that's what they did with the speech laws, right? They just recently came out, right? They'd guillotine to hold out your debate. And then they had the first legislation that they had and that was inquiry was based on that for a few days in the inquiry. And public submissions were taken up until Thursday. It was released on the Monday night, they had the inquiry. Submissions had to be in by the public, but Thursday afternoon, 7,000 submissions went in. With the coalition then and Labour, they changed that legislation, they carved out some of that bill, but it was a completely new bill. That new bill was dropped in the lap of the coalition at 6,18am. We, one nation, didn't get it till 10am, that went to the debate and voted on that afternoon, 500 pages of legislation. Yeah, I lost a, well, people that I thought were my friends weren't, weren't, aren't any more. They've unfollowed me, they've, they've, they've, unclaborated me on post and stuff like that. I don't want to bag anyone out because they are, they're ex-veterans, but I'll talk to you off, I'll tell you about who this people did this, you know, who they are in the Liberal Party. And these people came out and said they're going to vote against it all week and then they came out and made a deal behind our backs and I just sat there, I always like, and because I had been talking about this thing, I'm like, that's it, like, you know, a whole bunch of us got together, all these people on social media like, we're going to talk about this every single day until it passes in Parliament to make sure these laws don't go through. And we kicked up the biggest stink online, we were commenting on all their posts and stuff like that and every single politician was like, well, most on the right side and like, I mean, now the right side is like, anywhere from you onwards because the Liberal Party are practically the left now, that's what I call them. But they, and, and you know, everyone was coming out saying, no, I'm not doing it, this is rushed, laws like this normally take six or nine months, blah, blah, they got in and all of a sudden it's like, they can't do it behind our backs. And the thing that I got really angry with Pauline, like, really, really angry. And it was like a moment for him, I'm like, these, these guys are sitting there and they are, they are trading and swapping these laws and trying to come to a happy meeting between them with our speech. They are, they are bargaining our speech over in ACT to tell me what I can say in my room here and what I can say out in public. I was like, you pieces of shit. And I tell a group of you, we were the first ones to come out against it. And I said, don't, you know, stop Parliament meeting next week and take time to make sure that we make the right decisions, include the public in this and consult with the public more so than what they did. Anyway, they never did. And part of that legislation, we pulled, pulled it up, my Senator Bill actually, that the legislation then is going to take in every state in their hate speech laws and every state. So that has to be taken consideration. So if you're in Victoria, if that breaches the hate speech laws in Victoria, you can actually be taken for that as well. And what Anne Tumey and he took it down to the Liberal Party, they had no idea about that. We brought it to their attention. This is the day. This is the day it was actually to be voted on. And then also the law expert on constitutional law and Tumey said, it is being rushed through. She said it was. She said, what's in this piece of legislation if you had a political party, then they could then, in time, use these laws against them and what they put across this policy. That's with my fear. So if I come out speaking about mass migration or immigration or where we shouldn't be bringing migrants from, that can actually be back less against me. And then one person is a member of your party who is actually a hate person, then that will reflect on the whole organisation. And I say stuff like this all the time, where I say stuff like we need to protect Australian culture and stop mass immigration to keep Australia for Australians. I also say mass immigration is destroying the social fabric of this country. Of course it is. You know, stuff that is all, I believe is true, but now like where does that go? Well, I can only just come on and be like, yeah, two of us quite podcast is now a prohibited group. But we should be able to say what we want to say as long as it doesn't create violence. And so you don't get to go and encourage people to go. To have an opinion, to have a say, we have that right to do it. I've moved a notice of the motion on floor of parliament to put freedom of speech into a constitution voted down. Of course it was. Of course it was. You were interested. Of course it was. Even immigration, I wouldn't have the public to have a plebiscite. Many, it's they can have a vote on it, whether they want to have a say on immigration, shut down. Don't want it. They want to control it. They want to have fun with the major political parties. They're the leaders. And they feel they know what's best for us. You have no idea. We're just going to keep side-line you. They're two disconnected. They're just way too disconnected. Like whenever I talk to, I mean, I don't really talk to anyone from labour and stuff other, but they're just, everyone they just seem so disconnected to the real world of what's actually happening. And they can sit up there in their parliament house and do other things like that. But like, I don't even know who my electorate is here. Like I would never know. Not my people. I don't even know. Don't even know who represents me here. I've never seen them. Never seen them on a local shopping centre. Don't even know who they are. Oh God. Everyone knows me when I go to the shopping centre. Yeah. So, what are my friends and everyone family say to me, don't go shopping with her. It's supposed to take 20 minutes. It's two hours. Yeah. Well, that's been happening to me lately as well, actually. Yeah. It's nice. It is so nice because I have, you know, I get a lot of hate online. A lot of people come and me emails and stuff like that. I have people send stuff to my house, which is pretty alarming on time. We've made sure we've plugged that gap. But yeah, people come out to me. That's probably one of the coolest things about what I'm doing at the moment because I had this, oh, to a story. I had this lady the other day and I don't like telling this story. And I've done the thing I've ever told it because I just don't, I just don't want to sound like a wanker. But I was at lunch the other day. I met my wife, which is like, okay, let's just go for lunch. And we took a little girl out as well. And some lady came out to me and she gave me a hug and said, crying. Like crying. and she's just like, "Thank you." Thank you.
you for speaking up for me because people have just been guillotine of what we can say over the past five years and it's just like someone's finally popped their head above the parapet and went, "Well you're actually saying what I believe in it and she's just like crying and I'm like, "What the hell?" But that's just like, and I said to my wife at the back of it, she's like, "That was a bit of an experience, I'm like, "Yeah, but that's just shows where we're at as a country." It is, I get it all the time. Yeah, some lady came up to me. That's not, you know, pet myself in the back, but it does because people are just looking for someone to be that voice that they want hope for the future and that's what it's about. Because people feel like their voices have been ripped out of them, like they're like the government, they just keep importing mass amounts of people like over half a million in last year. They keep printing mass amounts of debt. Right, this is this thing with this debt and I'd love to see some, and you know how you're talking about planning ahead of the future and that. This debt we're about to hit the trillion dollars in debt, I think we pay something like 30 to 40 billion dollars a year in interest repayments. Yeah, 50. It's going to be by 26, 27 estimate 1.2 trillion in debt and we're not going to have a surplus for at least 10, 15 years, government spending, they're saying that they've reigned in government spending. So people have to understand what they say is the surplus, the surplus means that if you get $780 billion in money coming into the coffers and they actually only spend $779 billion, they've got a surplus. But they don't talk about the debt that we're rowing. So there's 1.2 trillion. So a lot of these, they're still adding to that debt. So that's why they will not be a surplus. So they're spending beyond their $780 billion a year beyond that. So putting more onto our debt, which the rate we're going unless they turn it around, we're not going to be able to pay that down. So that money then 50 billion a year that could be used on building hospitals, nursing homes, roads, infrastructure. So that's just been service interest alone on that debt. Our taxes. So our taxes are going to a government that is overspending, borrowing and then selling that borrowing to government bonds to place like China, super and black rock. And it's like, hang on. So you're telling me that my taxes go through the system and go straight to China because they own our debt. I'm like, how did we get here? How did someone sit there on that system and just go, yeah, that's okay. I'm happy for Australians to sit there and pay this off through their taxes. I'm like, you people are traitors. That's what I think. But Sam, it happens all the time when I see, what's happening? I tell you this one, even just after the voice. Okay. So the voice went down. Do you know that they gave 10 million dollars to the Aboriginal people who work actually hurt by it to get counseling? Because the voice went down, how it affected them? How much did they spend on the voice altogether? 420 million for the voice. That's how much we're spend on it. Jesus. I know the way so many. It's constantly all the time. Of course for accountability, there's so much corruption that's going in there. They will not hold it. I call it the Aboriginal industry. The way some money is just unbelievable. I think it's up to 40 or 50 billion or something. Between 30 to 40 billion. But then you have state funding as well and then you have some local government funding as well on top of it. So the money is paid into this for 980,000 people that claim to be Aboriginal. There's no real test on it whatsoever. So those people that were native title, claim native title, you have to prove that there's a connection back to 1788. So with those people registered there, it's about 450,000. So we've had more than nearly double people claim Aboriginality. So there's no real check. There's you can actually self-identify as an Aboriginal. You are actually an Aboriginal or a community can accept you. Elders can say you're an Aboriginal. Get on the gravy train. Really? Yeah. I wanted that to be clarified. My policy Sam is no definition of Aboriginality anymore. We are all Australians. Regardless of the cultural background, if you need to help in here and you get a helping hand, you're not going to get it just because of your cultural background. This is where the eye stuff comes into it as well. Diversity equity inclusion is pretty much. I think it's an attack on white people and white straight people. I always say all the time. Miles, right down the bottom. Yeah, that's it. The most prosecuted person in Western society right now is straight white males. It's depicted in my film, super progressives. One thing I would love to talk to you about as well and I'd like to get on your radar. We're talking about it off air before. Like I fought over in Afghanistan, right? A lot of us did. When we continuously hear news like we just gave, and we didn't give it to Afghanistan, we gave it to the Taliban because the Taliban owned Afghanistan. So then when they say we gave it to Afghanistan, they are all lying to us. But they gave us, sorry, they didn't give us. Penny Wong just came out and announced that she gave another $50 million to the Taliban. Since 2021, and this was under liberal, we gave three, we've given $310 million to the Taliban. And it's like, they say it's going to, you know, women and children and stuff like that. They don't go anywhere. Trust me because those little girls over there, they ain't going to school. They ain't allowed to do any stuff like that. And like, as a veteran, I wake up, I did a real one this morning and I had to like take a step back after and I went for a run because I'm like, if I get really angry, I don't worry. I've just heard today too. And I'm furious. I'm absolutely reputable about this. It's a text based money. When we can't, how can't provide housing for the homeless out there and our defense person or living on the streets too and not getting looked after the health issues and we're giving this to a, I, the, the terrorists. The Taliban. They are. Yeah, we are giving it to the Taliban. The Taliban run Afghanistan and we are giving money to the Taliban. I'm furious about it. This is what makes me mad about the amount of money that we give it way to these different countries and organizations and people have had a gutful of it. I think it's about last figures that I had, it's about five or six billion a year. For an eight? Yeah, five or six billion a year when we have families choosing between food and rent. Yeah, correct. Yeah, it's it. But yeah, I mean, you know, just as a personal thing as well, like, you know, I just, like, when I see stuff like that, I just feel like the whole veteran community has just been spat on and they've just stomped over the graves of all my dead mates by giving them money. I agree with you. And it just, I don't know, well, one, it makes me want to continue what I'm doing even more so we need to make a fight back on this because it also happened over in America where they were giving them a lot of money during the Biden-Harris administration. Yeah. And Sean Ryan, who owns a massive podcast over there at Ex-Seal Guy, he started kicking up a stink about it and then Donald Trump, when he got in office, cut it and cut their money going to them. So I'd love to see something like, don't worry, I intend to cut for an aid. Yeah. A lot of these countries wouldn't be getting a lot of this money and all this climate change BS that they are and just claiming, oh, you need to pay us because you've been wrong in digging up coal these years. You're the ones that have caused this climate change and we want money out of you. It's just ridiculous. Even with all the climate change stuff as well. I've, one of the first rules I did, which sort of got me, you know, above the parapet of it, I came and pointed out that the Anthony Abney's government tells us that the climate change is real but they ship the very thing off that tells us he's destroying the planet in coal and gas for China and India to get burned for cheaper level power. And I thought to myself, well, if we can't burn it here but they can burn it over there and you're telling me climate change is real, it's like, that's a bit of hypocrisy isn't it? Most definitely it is. Um, China's building a power station here different to things about one a week or maybe one every two weeks that they're actually building over there. So they take most of our coal and they're storing it over there in year as well. Because they store it, they store it, don't they? Yeah. So they, you know what they're storing it for? Okay. Because there's potentially going to be some sort of world shift and world movement over the next decade. Everyone's trying to have a massive grab on their energy resources in case something kicks off and it's like America's just America's pop net zero. They're starting to, um, trying to do a bit of a global power play to grab Greenland, Venezuela, all this sort of stuff. Russia's doing the same. China's doing the same. They're all stock loading coal, stock loading gas and we're here just like, all right, let's just go green guys. This is my thing about energy as well, Pauline. Like, pull the subsidies away and whichever industry is, um, survives, they get the, they get first run on everything. So if the coal and gas industry survives with the cheapest power and we pull the subsidies away from everything, then they're the ones that should be standing, providing us our power. Well, they, they put it in place. They allowed subsidies up to a certain period of time. Then it extends out to 2030 for the subsidies. Now, some of these power plants were supposed to close down by 20, the one in, um, I can't think of the name it, the one in, um, use of the well-sposed close down by 2027-28, the same as in Victoria. Now they've had to extend it out to 2030 because they know they can't supply the power and they keep scenario, well, the maintenance on these because they, these power plants, they, they put out policies that they were actually knew they were going to be shut down anyway. Why would you spend the money on it if you know that you're going to be shut down and you can't continue? And now they're, they're scrambling. I believe put the money into, keep these power plants going. I wanted to diversify power. My policy is to put a new power plant in Adelaide, put a guster, put it back there, um, you call five power plant. They are over 90% emissions free. We can build it and I want one in Collinsville North Queensland and we've got to look at nuclear as well. Just one nuclear plant. We've got to have a division.
power. I do not want solar panels on agricultural land or any land. No more wind turbines at all. People haven't really thought where are we going to put the waste when they're finished. There are fire hazard, they're no good for the environment. They don't break down as well. They have a very good environment. How good is that for the environment? It's not. And they're clearing millions of hectares to put them in through pristine forest, sap and spish gap in Queensland. It's an absolute crime shame. I wish people would understand how we're destroying the environment to save it. I think as well, we need to make sure our eggs are not all in the one basket. Especially if something kicks off around the world, we need to make sure that Australia power is Australia. I think we need to have coal and gas. We need to have nuclear as well. And then, look, potentially, if solar panels want to be used domestically, I'm not against that. How's this from roots? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm agricultural land. Yeah, I'm not against domestic solar panels. But I am for diversifying and making sure we're a powerhouse. Because if someone comes and invades, I mean, all they got to do is look, for example, who supplies all our solar panels and wind turbines? China. What you don't think they've put maybe a few kules, which is enough of its stuff supply. I'm asking the world. Of course it is. And that's about the binding and the buses and cars now. There are kules, which is in this. So I'll be telling people what's going to happen. They are actually advocating for 15-minute cities or 30-minute cities. Have you seen it? Yeah, that's the, yeah. It's in New South Wales, government legislation. Isn't it funny, though? That was a conspiracy theory five years ago. No, it's actually, I've read it. Yeah. It's in New South Wales. Well. That's what they're planning for. So these electric cars that you want to buy, I can tell you now that if you go past a point, your car will stop. And you're going to won't be able to go any further past that. And of course your electric cars that they're forcing you to buy, they're not going to have the power supply all around the place that, you know, you'll be restricted what you can do where you can go with it. And what's in the batteries? Lithium and cobalt. Where's cobalt mine from in over in Africa and practically child slave labor conditions? It's like guys, are we really saving the planet here? Like morally what are we doing? People don't understand the same. They don't, you know, it just sounds good. People get too emotionally involved in it with really understanding the background behind it all to understand what is happening. So people need just get out of there, the head out of the sand, and understand what is really happening and don't get driven by emotion because it's going to impact on them. You know, my life's, I'm at the very end, you know, coming to the end of my life. I've had a fantastic life in Australia really have. And why I'm determined now I've kept going is because I knew what this country was like to what I see now. It disgusts me. And that's why I keep fighting because I want to make a difference for the future generations. But these ones out there, they've been brain-dead for too long. Brainwash in the educational system, don't take any interest in politics, can't be bothered, non-interested. Then you actually, you ask them who the 40 players are, the teams, and they're matches and they can tell you, but they can't tell you who the politicians are. Can't tell you any of their policies. And go to the polling booth, oh, what the heck, I don't want to vote here or I'll just tick this one without any knowledge or understanding. You have no idea how much you're relinquishing your voice, your rights, and allowing politicians, firstly, to come into your home and tell you what to eat, how to work, when determining lights on and off, how to live your lives. And you're allowing that to happen because you don't take the time to really understand. I'm at furious, I'm like you on war issues, this is how I feel about politics. Well, it's changing at the moment because now everyone's starting to realise where everyone's starting to see. And I used to talk to my mum and Fairbid, she loves listening to my podcast, she always gives me feedback as well. She's like, 'Santa, don't say that, don't say this, I'm like, Mum, just sometimes I have to, right?' My kids tell me the same too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, I was having a discussion with her the other day about all this stuff. And she was like, 'Yeah, look, you know, when you guys were kids and we were growing up, we sort of, we did sort of know there might have been a little bit of corruption over in Canberra and all this stuff, but, yeah, houses were two to four times your earnings. So now I'm really complaining back then.' And now it's like, well, house is a 10 to 15 times earnings. And guess where everyone's looking? Correct. Everyone's looking at the government being like, 'Hey, how have you guys mismanaged this nation so much since?' I think it's as a, who was it? Kevin Rudd in '08, let foreign students buy houses?' And that sent housing from two to four times your yearly earnings to now 10 to 15 times yearly earnings. And back in '08, we had a birth rate of 2.1. That's what you need to stand in population. Now it's at 1.5 and it's like, hang on. Okay, if we want to address the housing immigration, it all has to be addressed with a birth rate. What do we need to do with a birth rate? We need a lower the standards or lower the cost of living. So our younger members can start having families. So our birth rate keeps up. But see, they're making the decision now that they can't afford to have more than one possibly two children. So that's the problem because both parents have to go and work to pay the mortgage. And when I was growing up like your mother, that we actually, it was mostly the time, the female stay at home, with the kids all around going back to the 50s and 60s, okay, but at that time. That was a little bit different. Both my parents went. Yeah, and they basically stayed home. You could actually pay the bills and with anyone work at now, you can't. You need both to actually go and work and leave and those people are struggling. And this is why I want to try and address the taxation system because high taxes in this country is killing the family values, you know, or living conditions and standard living. So what I want to do in a broadening the last election is split income. So if you're a family with at least one dependent child and one partner wants to go out and work and say, for example, they bring home 120,000 a year. They can actually income split. So the wife can put in a tax return for 60,000. He puts in for 60,000 and that is actually $10,000 saving a year. So a lot of mostly women will stay home with the young kids, but there are men out there. I have no problem with that. So what I would actually do is save the cost to the taxpayer of sending those kids to child care centres that few hours that wife will go and work, just to make those 10 or 15,000 a year, and that they do in a job. So you're saving that, you're saving on child care. And the family unit is going to be a lot happier without the stress of trying to find babysitters or whatever for that. And I think that we've got to find a happy medium for families out there and we're not doing it. And then, you know, even me right now, I'm 35, I've just had my first kid, we want to have a bunch of them, but like I mean financially as well, we've only really been settled now, like actually being able to have them after working for years and years and setting this up and stuff like that. And I've got mates in a similar position as well, we're all mid 30s and starting to have kids now. And traditionally, like our parents were having us at 25 to 28 maybe around there when they were younger. So that's been drawn out, but I just think like the cost of living is turning families, young families away from having kids. And I think that's like, yeah, they can't. And I think that's if we can, you know, get this birth rate right, then we don't have to rely on you all will like, I mean, the mass immigration, Labor just love it because they're importing voters at the end of the day, right? But yeah, if we can really hammer down on this birth rate, getting young families back in, having kids, I think there will be a lot of issues fixed out of that. Well, you deal with the house and you just stop for an investment of buying our houses in Australia. That's been my policy, Labor and Liberals picked it up prior to the last election. They said they would. I haven't seen anything to show or proven that they have done anything about it. Foreign students should not own by housing in the country, should not be allowed to. And stop your mass migration, cut the numbers right back, come in in the country, I've put a limit of 130,000 a year on it. That can be reviewed over, you know, over the years and see if it's working. And I'd like to cut the taxes on building new house. You got to GST and other taxes on new builders between 40 to 44%. I believe Trump just did St. Coliseas as well where he stopped big corporations buying single family homes. I think he just bought a quarter there. I've made a couple weeks ago bought some legislation out. Is that something that you might look at as well? Where it's like, I haven't heard about that, he did that. So the corporations that they buy in the housing for their workers. Yeah, no, no, a place like BlackRock, a buying mass single family homes over there and they're mostly leaving them vacant, which is driving the housing market up. So he's come out and banned that. No, I, yeah, but the sound I do agree with that. It is driving up the price and they're just sitting on it. See what class Web said, you know, from a worldly economic forum, you're lying nothing and you'll be happy. So this is why Albanyse is heading towards this fact of government housing. So you're in force people out there kind of for their own home. You're going to have to go into government housing. It's controlling people.
movement of people. What are you going? Communism. It is communism. It's communism. He's trying to get everyone on the same level and he's trying to restrict everyone. And the Greens are the same because they don't want all the time they're attacking the people that are making the big money that they shouldn't be making as money, tax them more and more. You know, I'm all for, you know, people want to work hard and earn that money if they're going better themselves in life, they want to make the money, well, then so be it. They're paying their taxes. Why do we have the tool poppy syndrome? Why do we want to pull this people down? I also think as well and look, I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I've started to make money off of my podcast and what I do later. And I think to myself, hang on, I'm getting taxed that much and I'm given it to the government to then give to the Taliban. It's like, screw you, like that's my money. I should, you shouldn't be getting my money in sending somewhere else. Like, I would be actually all for, you know, probably paying my fair share of tax if the government were using it correctly. But I'm like, screw you guys. I'm like giving it to you so you can give it to the Taliban. What was that, Kerry Packer said? If you're going to pay me, you're a fool. If you want to, you know, give you money to the government and then waste it, you know, he, I can't accept, remember his exact words. But Kerry Packer was bought on the money when they were investigating him about the taxes that he pays. But I'm all for that. So that's why I want to dress the taxation system and it needs to be, I'd like to see a totally new taxation system instead of five or six thousand pages that we have. Yeah. And we need sweeping reform in this country as well. It's, I mean, you know, just like you met my mate before, like these guys are traditionally like liberal voters and stuff like that. Everyone's just had enough now. Everyone's like, I'd say like we've, we've actually had enough. We've, we're so sick of this like these two party system. It doesn't matter if it's blue or whatever is in it doesn't matter. Like they just continuously decide to, feels like they're doing it. They're just screwing us over on purpose. Sam, it's about like I said, you've got to, everything that I've come out with the policies over the years is through my understanding going back from my background. And I grew up in the 50s and 60s and I was married at 16. I had my first child at 17. Really? Yes. Well. So anyway, I've, and I've had four children. Yeah. I was in a small business with my parents when I was 18 years of age with my husband, with a small baby. Then I've actually, and that, I've had two marriages. So I've had to survive as a single parent. I've had no support from both either of my husbands. So I've had to read those kids by myself. I started up, you know, then I was in a plumbing business with my second husband for nine years. So I was out there giving him a hand when I could. I knew build houses, I was putting roofing, guttering, you know, doing all this stuff. So I understand the trade is we employed three trade is. I've been in the cattle industry. So on the farm, so I've had my own cattle. I understand a bit of cultural as well. And I've actually ran my own small business where I employed where I worked that shop by myself six days a week. And I only had a girl coming on two hours on a Friday night, two hours on Saturday night is run down business. And I had it for 10 years. And when I saw that business, I had six on a Friday night and three of the other nights just to cope with it. So I built that up and I was a single mother. My youngest one at the time was two years of age. So I understand small business. I understand employing people. I understand apprentices. I understand the farming sector. I understand it's been a single parent and struggling. And nothing must hand it to me. And everything I've had I've worked. It didn't come from my marriages. I got nothing. So I understand what it's like to walk away with nothing. And this is what I bring to politics because I have an understanding. Do I know everything? No, I don't. And this is why I go out and mix with the people and I talk to people. That's why I relate to people. And a lot of the politicians in there have never employed anyone, never run a business. They have no idea. If you're an undergillite government, only one actually employed people. And I think under the Labor Party now, I think there's only one in there that I know. I have had some sort of business. They're all creative politicians. Correct. It's like this is like the-- Through the unions. So through working in, you know, their-- So the worst type of politician you can get. Like none of them live down the real world. Correct. And that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to get real people in these positions who connect with the people, know what they're going through. And that's why I've never forgotten, will never, ever forget where my roots came from. You know, I watch my father works where I've got six siblings, seven children. I watch my father work 106 hours a week, 106 hours a week for 25 years to keep his family. I'm fed and cloned. We had a big business, he had a big business, 15 staff. So I grew up in that. I saw the way he treated the staff. And I've done exactly the same with my staff, whether it's in my shop or my parliamentary staff. Yeah, this place needs to be run like a business. I keep telling everyone I'm like, if we-- Correct. If we start running the country like a business and we start paying off our debt, not just the interest but the principal, you watch inflation take care of itself because the government's spending will stop. The blue head department's going to have to go, sorry guys, but you're not going to get any more funding for whatever you guys are doing. And we'll start to put money back into Australia in the right areas so then we can start to generate income again. And you watch, inflation will go down because inflation, I think, is built off government spending over spending. This is what Jim Charmont doesn't get right. He keeps lying to us all year about this and this, where on top of inflation, blah, blah, blah. But it's going back that way because we keep handing out massive amounts of money to departments that do nothing for Australians and don't generate any money at all. I'm like, I'm all for handing out to departments with large sums of money if they bring money back in. But this is a business, Jim and Albo. So stop running this place like a 16-year-old with a credit card. That's what's happening at the moment. Now, over spending on a whole bunch of blue-haired departments that just does nothing for us. And this is where the pushback now is happening. Like, I did a really other down, Jim Charmont is saying, how much is failed this country? And I put it down within an hour, it had like 15,000 likes. Everyone's like, oh, these guys are getting exposed now. They're getting exposed on a massive level. But look, you're right. These government departments and I tell you what's happened years ago, I spoke to a minister who was in the Bajel P. Peterson government. And he said, Paul, and he said, we relied too much on the bureaucrats to give us the information. He said, I was set up one in time by the bureaucrats. They gave me the false information, which I delivered. And he said, I lost my job over it. The bureaucrats have this opinion, I will politicians come and go, we're here for a long time. And when you have politicians in there and these ministers who are actually brain-dead as far as their own portfolios, they have no understanding. So they rely on the bureaucrats to tell them the information that they need. But they can't do their own research and understand their portfolios and make the decisions how to run that department. So we're being governed by this in this country, by the bureaucrats who think they know better than the politicians. And I don't try. I have no respect for a lot of the politicians because they just watch the polls. They just fill a space in there and become yes people, where they don't have the drive for the future. Look, how much damage Chris Bond has also done to this country. He would never look. And this is the thing about Chris Bond. He sits there and he tries to continuously rant, he gets torn to shred in his comments. And I'm like, I always sit there and I'm like, do I? Do you think that Chris Bond puts his head down at night thinking that he's doing the right thing for Australia? But then he's like, do you think he cares that he's destroying a nation? And I sit there and I'm like, he's hopeless. I'm like, this dude's a piece of shit. Like, I can't believe he's doing this. He's absolutely hopeless. I've got no time for him whatsoever. I can't stand him. And then you've got, look at the other two. Adam Giles or Clare O'Neal. The damage that they did. They moved him sideways. I've got to say I had time for Bill Shorten. I got to know Bill Lafayr was in there and he took on the NDIS portfolio. That's so I'm passionate about this one. That we need rein in the spending. 52 billion at the moment by 2030. Expected cost to 100 billion. There's a couple of kids on X and I want to reach out to them to get him in here. But they're going, they're going all through Western Sydney and exposing his NDIS. For that is happening in the morning. Good on him. And they are getting massive trotters. It's like some of the money that is being spent with these NDIS programs all over the country. And these guys are. Gettings are set up. There's got to be legal gangs out there collecting all the smuddy. There's no. I'm sorry. It's worse than the Somali thing happening in Minnesota at the moment with all the exposure happening over there. We're having the same thing. NDIS. One of my mates, I had him on a podcast. He's a really good friend. I can't remember the. Oh, this kid's called the Dahmer. Yeah. The Dahmer's got. And anyway, they're bringing in a whole bunch of Indian workers and it's like. There's like five to ten thousand people now that are in Alice Springs. Like old Indian people that are on the NDIS program through this Dahmer initiative and it's like, whoa, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So we're just bringing people in, putting them on the NDIS program then they're looking after our elderly and stuff like that. And we're flooding them in places where we need seats. It's like if they take back our Alice Springs or if they. Yeah. 5000 people you put them into a town of 15,000 people who they voted for the people that put them in there correct on what like and this is a stuff now we're just
- I was very fond of them. - If I find that people are doing the wrong thing, I have reported them, I work with Bill Shorten's office. He was great. You know what, the libous chair, he actually wanted to address the fraud that was going on in there. So he cut out a lot of, they had cuddle toys and alcohol and cruises and holidays and all that. So Bill Shorten, he was so, no, we're going to get rid of all of this. So anyway, I said, Bill, great. And I did the announcement with him. And I said, no, this is really good. And he wanted to get it through and was so, a couple of years ago. 20, it was in the June. Anyway, he put it up and the libous wouldn't support him. So I went to see the libous. I spacked it up and I said, why wouldn't you support this? I know we think we can get better than that. I said, by the time, he said, we'll look at it in August. I said, by the time you wait between now and August, I said, that's going to cost the taxpayers another billion dollars. I said, you can't allow that. I said, work with Bill now and make the difference now. You know what they didn't? And you know, in August finally, they did. So Billion dollars, they meant nothing. I was furious with them. And like, how far could that billion dollars go with helping veterans with their mental health? Do you know that there is a fellow who got out of prison and he got 1.3 million dollars scheme on the end of the OAS. Another one got $803,000. Another $100,000. So we're giving these people. And you know what it was? They could walk. They just couldn't be out in the public by themselves because they had an issue with walking around by themselves. And then, you know, they get taken on trips or holidays or it's just out of control. And there was one woman. She actually worked. I reported this. Okay. She actually worked for the NDIS. So she got overweight. So she had lymph node problems. So she gave her. She said, "Oh, you get more if you work on. went on NDIS yourself." So she went on NDIS. They gave her a 650,000 a year plan. Nothing health-wise, just overweight. She had to be pushed around in wheelchair. Anyway. She then got. She bought. First tickets for a family come out from the States. She bought tickets from. And I have photos and everything. I had all this. She bought tickets to a corporate box at the footy match for $45,000 to take a family there. This is all NDIS paid for. Really? She bought. Yeah. She bought alcohol for Christmas presents, two and three hundred dollars with the alcohol. She had these carers, which was her friends, just to be with her. Anyway, I reported that. There was no. When the money's given to them, there's no. You know, where you spent the money. They just handed over, because you can actually spend your money how you want to. Anyway, she was actually investigated for that. So it was rained in by all means, but she didn't have to repay that money. She sounds like I need to start drinking a lot of beer and eating a lot of cake and not running anymore. I don't think I can go into NDIS. Yes. Chronic illness or. All these kids jump in on it because they've got autism, not autism. I'm sorry, I'm not for that. That's ridiculous. I caught up with a friend over in Perth the other day. His kid was on NDIS and they explained it to him. I'm like, that's the type of people that need to be on NDIS. I can't remember what it was, but we don't know how his story is like that. It's like the whole thing in our needs to be rained in, needs to be investigated. They need to do almost like a doge thing with it. Full investigation from top down. We need to prioritise, do needs and stuff like that. They'll never do it. They're reluctant to do it. That's why I need to have the balance power in there and wield that power to rein this in. How do you get the balance of power in there? I need the votes. I need seats. I need people to vote for one nation. We had the shared balance power in 2016 right through 2019. Even before that, 222. We had it under two terms. That was under the term of Morrison government. We had the shared balance power. They needed our vote because they didn't have enough numbers. The coalition, so they relied on one nation to get the bills passed. We actually used that wisely. We weren't smart about it. We just worked with the government. Or if I thought the bills were just out of whack like the corporate tax cuts. They needed our vote to get those corporate tax cuts down. First of all, I did support them on cutting up because corporate tax cuts were only up to $2 million. They wanted to pass it up to $10 million. Corman came to see me and I said, "10 million turnover is not much in the world now." Especially dealing heavy equipment and everything like that. I said, "Why don't you make it up to $50 million?" He shocked. He said, "Would you support $50 million?" I said, "It makes common sense. You make it up to $50 million turnover for the corporate tax cuts boil means." When he knew he had us, he said, "Great. So we passed that." Then he came back to me, "How about we make it unlimited?" I said, "No. It's not unlimited." Because the cost to the tax fair over a 10-year period was going to cost $65 billion. I said, "No. You haven't got my support. They're furious with me." I said, "No." Anyway, I said, "You never know what's going to happen. There might be a change at government." Or you actually might have a catastrophe. I said, "If you've got $65 billion to waste and head up to these corporates, I'd suggest put it into infrastructure." Guess what happened? COVID. We did. And see what's happened to the country since. I was right in what I did. Guess what they came out, the head of. Oh, I think it was an organisation, Treasury or whatever. They said the money should have been put into infrastructure. Buying infrastructure back. That's exactly what I predicted and it happened. Instead, we just printed $300 or $400 billion in gave it to a bunch of people who sit at home when they had the cold. Correct. And now we've got inflation through it. So, having that balance power, you can actually determine the legislation. Like we worked with them very closely on the Australian Building Construction Industry Bill, which wasn't too bad. But Malcolm and I did three months work on that. Investigate it. So, we took better legislation to them. A amendment to it. Which they implemented was far better for the industry. So, it's about working. Do you think you're selling yourself short? We're just saying you've got the balance of power when you've seen the recent polls? It's like the recent polls I looked at, I'm like, "Oh wow, if there was something yesterday, you would be neck and neck between you and Anthony Abanese and the Libs have just died off there. They're irrelevant now." They have. Sam, you never can't judge against before they hatch. You don't get a surgery. It's very early. It's very, very early. It's very early. Don't get a swell to head over it. I've been in this game for 30 years. Not constantly, I was out of it for 18 years. But what I'm saying is, you have to keep your feet on the ground, understand what's going out there. Anything can change, you know, a day in politics is a long time. But we're going to strive towards getting more people elected, if we can get the balance pair on the lower house or in the upper house, it will make a big difference because they will not be able to just go and push it through whatever they want. So it's having that that's what the House of Review is, that we are there to oversee the legislation, make sure it's right for the country and for the people out there. You may not agree with everything that I say. You might think I'm going to be too tough because I'll tell you what I will be running in welfare as well. You won't be on welfare for 20 or 30 or 40 years without having a job in between. It's not going to happen with me. I'm up front with people. And you won't be getting your end-earth, I just paid it well in nearly because you've got a sore back or something like that. That's not going to happen. If we want to provide for our pensioners the age, the truly sick, we want prosperity in this country and pay down our debt, well then you've got to be tough on it and rein in the spending, the government spending. I won't have as many bureaucrats I read with Dutton when they said, "Cut the public service." And I agree with that. Yeah, like E Karen, she's getting $532,000 a year to censor our speech online. I read that out there and I'm like, "Webhanner, half million dollars." I don't know if some of these other ones had the ABC about a million dollars. Then you got the ones in head of the Postal Services, straight post, over $2 million. I mean, to fund the ABC altogether, we can get $1.3 billion to just come after me all the time. Those pricks, they hate me. My mum the other day was just like, it was a baby month ago, she was just watching the TV and she flipped over and they were talking about me and mum was just like, "Why are they talking about my son on the ABC?" No, we've got to rein in all that spending. That's what I will do. I don't mind if there is no way for a fair day's work, but stop taking the Mickey out of people who are struggling to pay the bills out there and this exorbitant, you know, what we're paying, even to these vice changelers of universities on our own, a million dollar plus a year. Did you know that? Do you know that universities are also a not-for-profit organisation? So they don't pay tax? And they're actually getting all the money from foreign students plus we're also talking about with billions of dollars. There's also lobbying groups, like transgender lobbying groups, that are getting government-funded subsidies back to them. I want to give them money. I'm sorry. All this big cut. All this grants. And this needs to happen because like I said before, I don't understand money and finance too much, but I understand if you overspend,
too much and we are printing and then borrowing debt and selling that as government bonds then that goes to interest repayments. That is less money for schools, you know, roads, children, whatever. But also as well, that overspend is adding more dollars into circulation and what does more dollars in circulation do there is more, yeah, there's more dollars competing for the same items. That makes this water bottle go from three to four dollars. Yep. And it's like, guys, we need to make sure we ran this into it and it's the government spending. It's the government spending with it all. And if we don't realize that and if we don't have someone in that brands that back then, I mean, I'm sorry, this would be $10 or $30 or $40 in a few years and everyone would be looking around like, well, we don't need an army anymore because we don't need to defend our dollar because it's shit. That was a quick rant. A lot of words there. Yeah. And it's same the other thing that I'm very passionate about is also the family law courts to rein that in. Should dress the inequality, I think that's happening in our system, child support. So the other one that I really want to protect is the farming sector. And I industry is manufacturing. I want to reboot this country to get back our industry is manufacturing, stop them from going overseas because they're kind of for the electricity they're paying here. Well, and also as well, there's net zero trading and like they're trading carbon credit like stocks and floats like a twiggy forest get rich over it and that's his massive supporter of his billionaire that sports the Labor sector and he's getting rich off stuff like that. But my mate who's in country news, South Wales is about to shut his farm down because he can't pay for these carbon credits. And it's like is this just an attack on farmers all around Australia to make sure that they rain all the food and all the cattle into these big industries and take this small business and small farms away. And I'm like, that's what's going on. Because my mate is now going to have to shut his farm down because of these carbon credits net zero bullshit. Yeah. And it's like how we save the planet when China and that they've agreed to reach net zero by 2070 or 2080 whenever it was like, I mean, I just get so frustrated with this. I want to the last part of this podcast got about half an hour ago. I want to talk to you about a couple of things that is a couple of topics out there, but I think it'll be really good for me new to address. Now, the first one I want to address and just let me have a couple of minutes here as well because I understand that billionaires are behind every party. Right? I'm not naive. And the left always love to come out and say, but Pauline Hansen is backed by Gina Reinhart and I'm like, okay, well, I know that is I think his name Sam, I homes caught or whatever is that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, him and Mike Cannon Brooks are the main contributors to climate 200. Climate 200 gave David Pocock $852,000 to get his second 2022. He also took a whole bunch of other money from Mike Cannon Brooks and other green billion
aires, the all the till chicks, well, sorry, they're all the till ladies. They took 12.1 million dollars to get their seats in the last election. Labor party and the Greens take money from Twiggy Forest and Mike Cannon Brooks. So it's fine when the left side of politics is backed with billionaires, but when yourself comes out and you're like, oh, she's flying around Gina Reinhart's jet, it's like, hang on. You're backed by billionaires. So if Pauline Hanson has a billionaire behind her and Jane Reinhart, aren't you being a bit of, you know, that's a bit of hypocrisy I see there. So I guess can we discuss your relationship with her? What can? Yeah, yeah. How could nothing have died? Yeah, yeah. What's it like? What's she like? She's lovely lady, quite a very patriotic Australian and she's actually, her second over the years to get to know her and she's very much behind me and I really appreciate it Sam on T. Hawaii because all these years I've had to struggle and we've had to go out and do our fun raising like the sausage sizzle or selling our merchandise or, you know, from the mums and dads who become members of the party and we've had to do that because we didn't have the big corporate backers, never did have. And this woman saw some thick in me, she believed in me. She's been watching because she is a real backer of Australians. If you look at the flying doctor service, she funds that, she funds the Olympian, she fund schools. I heard the Royal Flying Doctor service would be under if it wasn't for her. Correct. Yeah. Even, you know, the farming industry she's now, you know, taken over that, I can't think, keep them in the station. Yeah, they've been the biggest landholders in Australia because they own all the cattle stations. Correct. They split up, she bought it, they were going to cut that all up, but she actually bought it to fund. And probably to sell it to foreign investors a bit. Yeah. Wherever they can get it. So anyway, she actually bought that up, she poured that much money into it to rebuild it, employ people, she's improved the whole premises over the years. She started up, you know, with the cattle industry, with export, where she's taken that is just fantastic. She's now started the footwear, Rossi and Kidman clothing footwear. So she's got jobs going in Australia. Her background was from her father, Hancock, and he actually had the leasing over there of Western Australia. Not that I know, you know, I hold up the guts of it. So anyway, a little bit that I do know. Anyway, when he passed away, she basically had the rights over this land for mining, but she didn't have the finances. So she had to go begging, borrowing, sleeping on the floor to make it come together. And when she kicked off that business and she got the funding for it, she had to take a risk on herself. And then she actually ate of them. I think there was only initially eight. She knows she employed over 4,000 people now. I've heard she's a big veteran fan as well. She employed a lot of veterans. She does. And she looks after them as well. So she's just as proud of patriotic Australian. And she sees that in me, she respects what I'm trying to do. And she used to be supporter of the conservative, but, you know, they're not. There is no conservative. Correct. It's like everyone else you've fed up with it. Where have you taken this question? Don't even know the difference between a man and a female. So they're not conservative. That's another argument, isn't it, debate? But what I said about Gina, you know, what I love about Gina is that Barnaby and I were visiting her in Queensland. And of course the floods have it on up. Julie Craig. I'm just done three weeks ago or so, month ago. And she said, I think you should go up to Julie Craig. And I said, yeah, I love to. She said, I'll take you and Barnaby up there. I think you need to go up there and see these people isolated, what's happening up there. And she said, I'll fly you up there, which she did at her expense and flours up. Not at the taxpayers' expense, but I'd like. No, not at the taxpayer. Because I remember when everyone came out, like she was flying on Jenny Ronhut's jet. It's like, yeah, the other guy's doled as well. On the left side, they doled as well. So why is it that they're. Why is it. They accept, okay, that we flew up in a plane that was actually paid by the taxpayer. Yeah, that would mean. I'm not the cost of the taxpayer. What's your problem? But like all this. So this is my point. I want to bring out to everyone, like, and that's it, it's listening. Hey, guys, Billi and heirs are behind a lot of parties in Australia. Not just Pauline Hansen's one nation party. But she did something for the community. Exactly right. She did something for the community. What is she going to get out of it? Nothing. She's gone out of it. She did. She went and bought these bags and bags of Tim Tam's and chocolates for us to take to the community. And you know what soon as I arrived? I said, "We're only here because of Gina Reinhardt." And I said, "These bags of Tim Tam's and everything, it's not from us. It's from Gina Reinhardt." And she was embarrassed that I actually said that. And I said, "Gener, I'll give credit where credit's due." And I said, "You did this." And I said, "We're only there." And they were so pleased. You get to spot us, I spoke to the mayor. And the mayor said, "Thank you for being here." And the community came together, the one that could. We had about 20 plus up there, who came in such short notice. And the mayor said to us, "We haven't even seen or heard from the Prime Minister." So Bonaby said, "Give me your details. I'll get in touch with the Prime Minister to give you a call." And through us, we passed that on. So I'm not going to apologise for anything. And my association with Gina is that she's not different because she's another Australian. She has put on, and I'll be honest with you, she's put on functions and she's given us auction items. And that money goes directly to the party. But also at the same time, like the left do this as well. Mike Cannon Brooks, Tweetie Forest, Sam Holmes Court, they all do it as well. But it's not the money directly. She's putting up the auction items. Yeah. There you go. Right, so these auction items that she's put up, you know, I haven't put up my own auction items, which money goes to the party. My needed jumpers. So that's what I do. So what's the difference? And I back my own party. I back myself. So these people need to get the head out of the sand. It's just being naive. And it's like it's the classic attack on the right. Oh, they're backed by billionaires. But unfortunately, well, now the green billionaires are now backing the left. Like Mike Cannon Brooks, Tweetie Forest, Sam Holmes Court, all these guys. Guess what? The left is also controlled by billionaires. So let's just say right now, everyone's, you know, not everyone. The right is the right. Is that true? Like, you know, I'll not back. But in some way, shape or form.
They are supported, connected, whatever you want to say. But they think that she is going to have control of me just because the sport might be there. I tell you what Sam, no one controls me. I've heard this before, right? Because I've spoken to your off-side. No one tells me what to do. James or? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What's his last name? Ashby. James Ashby. Yeah. So he's told me a story about you as well. And yeah, this is before you come in on the podcast last week sometime. All right. Saying that's, yeah, this exact thing. He's like, mate, you sit down with her and you ask her if anyone's controlling her. So that's what I mean, like, is that my question? Does anyone control you? No, when the wide world. My husband's couldn't even control me. Oh, great answer. Well, it's true. I was home with the kids for seven years. And I thought, I want to have a bit of life, you know, because I had four children. I had a stepdaughter. And then I thought, I'd like to get a bit of a job, you know, for myself to get myself out of the house. Anyway, I said to my husband, I said, I want to get myself a part-time job. You want me to sit to me? He said, do you get a job? There's the front door. Guess what? I went and got the job. There you go. And I told him when I was having the interview and he turned up with him and his parameters and sat down during it. So no one tells me what to do. You know, what I find with generous world, she's a business woman. She's a smart business woman. She's brought some policies to me. And you want the policies to work? Pensioners being able to work unlimited hours. Get your age pension. Keep your health care card, but you can work unlimited hours. I thought, what a good idea. And that's what I did take to the election at the last election. Well, I just want to quickly say that my wife does control me because she'll be listening to this. I need to make sure that I get the brownie points because she's the one that she's the genie's behind this show. All right, I'm glad we covered that off. There's one more thing that I want to cover off because I like these things need to be spoken about. I've got no problem with it. I've got nothing in the hard side. And I've always tried to be upfront with people. So whether it's the guy next door, whoever you are and whatever you do in life, whether it's Gina, Brian, Harder, whoever, you know, I treat everyone with the respect that they deserve. And I appreciate whether it's Gina, Brian, a part back in me or whether it's the mum and dad who can barely afford, you know, to become a member of our party and support us that way. I just have so much admiration and respect for those people. You give what you can afford. But back in me that way, does make any difference whether she has a function or give me or whether you become a member of the party. What's the difference? It's so much appreciate it because I had when I came back in the party and I had a rebuild from nothing, I put $200,000 of my own money into build that from the start. No one gave me anything. I had nothing. And I backed myself. And I didn't ask people for anything. I've had a cigarette company come to me and said, would you actually back us? We'll give you $50,000. And I said, not interested in your money. I don't support it. So I don't come near me. So I will knock it back. Based on principle. Yes, always have done. Always will. So the next thing I want to address as well because whenever I, if I've spoken about you on a reel or on the podcast, I always get in the comments, she is a Zionist. Can we talk about this? Yeah. So and the one where the photo, right, we're like people at all time, you come down with the Israeli flag. Now my question is here is like we have, and this is why I'm so against foreign lobbying. Right. Like to me, personally, foreign lobbying is a government lobbying to our government through legal lobbying in Australia. And they're lobbying for them. Like that's that like, hey, hung on, this is Australia. It's Australia first until we die. Foreign lobbying needs to go. But like, and to me, like this Zionist or like Zionism, I heard some other lady, she's a national senator in Victoria. I don't know her name. Bridgip McKenzie. Yeah. She's come out. She's like, I'm a Zionist. I'm like, well, hang on. Okay. So Zionism on face value or what I think it is is advocating for the Jews to have a home state or like somewhere in the world, which is real. I get that. Okay. But like we need to protect Jewish people in Australia. Don't worry about them over there. Because if you're saying you're a Zionist, you're worrying about a foreign land somewhere else. It's like, I don't know, protect Jewish people in Australia. But I believe they have their right to protect their own country as yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, and 100% because they're surrounded by a wild world. But to me, it's just like, hey, let's just reign it back here and let's only focus on Australia for Australia first. So what's your thoughts about foreign lobbying and all this sort of stuff? What I just spoke about. No, I don't agree with foreign lobbying. As you said, my first name is what's right for Australia and I'll stand up for that. Okay. I do believe in giving Israel the support that they need because their country was wasn't well taken over that massacre that happened. I thought it was so wrong what happened to them. But then when it started the impact on the Jewish people in Australia, I was totally opposed to that and I blamed the government for that to go on as long as it did because they did nothing about it. Whether it be the federal government or the state government, I felt for these people. There was no one standing up for them. Now, I tell you a story, years ago, in the first round of one nation, I actually was accused of being with the Jews or anti-Jewish. I don't think that I. Well, what was this? In '96, '97, '97, '98, right? Okay. So anyway, it was down around and Peter Costello, who a couple of times on the Thorough Parliament, made comments about it. So anyway, because it was here in South Australia, that someone who was anti-Jewish said that we were associated with them and that's where it went and then the media got hold of it and I was crucified for it. One of my members of the party that time gave them a list of our membership of one nation and the Jewish paper printed their names and dresses on their paper, 2000 names. And they really had a go at me. I had nothing to do with them. I didn't know what the hell they were going on about. So many of us, I copped a big backlash from that. I could have remained and said, "No, look how you treat it me years ago, but I don't take that attitude." And my attitude was the Jewish people were wrongly treated in this country. The students at university, the kids on the streets trying to go to school, the way that the graffiti, the bombings and all the rest of it. And I really didn't hear anyone standing up for them. I'm not interested whether a Jewish, they are Australians to me. Yep. And that's the end of the day. And I had a couple that and I wore the pressure first off because I want people to see that I'm supporting them, not the Jewish religion or whatever I don't follow religion. Okay, I don't have a religion. My main thing was to support Australians that were wrongly treated and a weak government and premiers that didn't stand up to it. That was the thing. And when I wore that chul and I put that scarf around my neck there one time into the chamber, I was told to take it off. But there's a couple in the gallery, they stood up and they just said, "Thank you." Over the top of the gallery. They met me later. Actually, I was down. They happened to be there. They came up to me and they said, "We're actually from Victoria. We're doctors. We're a doctor." They said, "This country is not the country that we want to be part of anymore." They said a lot of us are thinking about leaving because the violence was happening out there. And I said, "It's wrong. It should be happening like that." And you know, these people were trying to reach out and they were so grateful that at least one member of parliament had the bloody guts to stand up and fight for them. And I don't regret that. And I'll do it for, you know, whoever I don't care, you know, what your cultural background is. If I think that the wrong thing's been done by you, first of all, I'm going to turn it if you're Australian. You give you, you know, love this country, you're loyal to you come here to make it your home. I'll stand up for you too. No, yeah, I totally agree. My biggest thing with that conflict over said, I don't want to get too much into it because I don't want to give it any airtime. I just think it's overseas. Like, let's just worry about keeping Australians, four Australians and protecting Australians, whether that be, you know, through my business, I think that's the only way to get to that. I think that's the only way to get to that. That's the only way to get to that. All I want at the end of the day, Pauline, is just for someone to stand in there and be. I'm Australian first. I don't really look. They have the right to exist over there. But at the end of the day, we're just going to worry about you guys. We're not going to be controlled by some outsides or whatever. It's not about being controlled, Sam. You also have to work with other countries, whether it's trade or defense or allies or, you know, you have to work together as far as that. It's not foreign lobbying. I will not sell this country out and let
our foreign investment in Australia is actually going to be detrimental to us. I think that we need to take over a lot of this and get rid of the foreign investors that we should be actually utilizing our people, our services and prosper our country before foreign investors. This way the government has given away a lot of our sovereignty here by allowing them in just because they might build a few plants or whatever and they see dollars and a bit of investment at the end of the day. It's going for years and years and years and we see so much money leaving this country in royalties or gas of the North West shelf which I've fought for or mining whatever they're doing here. We're losing so much. We have made such ridiculous decisions and given the way too much of this country for the short term they've never, this one I don't talk about, there was never vision, long term vision. I totally agree and you might have maybe misheard me speak then I think because I think government relationships between governments are good but when they have lobbying groups here lobbying to the government it's like hey guys let's just stop that lobbying and let's have Defence Minister to Defence Minister. That's about my pay grade, that's further up the chain too. This is all something that's not built up to that. Even like Anthony Abanese he wants to build, I read an article maybe six months ago, we haven't heard anything since. He wants to build a million homes in Australia and just have Indians. With the Indians. How are we allowing that to happen? It shouldn't be allowed. Not allowed. Indian investment in here. He doesn't want to back our own people here, our own builders and we're going to bring it and you think these people are just going to go home? You think after they build the house is they're just going to get on and play in go home? I don't think so. Is there another way to fly us with a half the bloody planet? I'll just put to you this, the estimate that's about 15,000, these far-insurance that come into the country. They actually sign on to do this course. They drop out within the first six months of a year. They then say they're going to change the course to go on to vocational educational training course. Then in between they apply for a different visa. They get a bridging visa. They've got nearly 400,000 in the country on bridging visas. The bridging visas, these shoots also take up ABNs and then they start their own business and they're going for someone else. We've got estimated up to 15 billion a year. It's been sent out of the country by these foreigners. It's that, that's wild. It is unbelievable. A lot of things people don't understand what's happening and we need to stop that and they use it as a backdoor to get permanent residency. I'll tell people now, as far as citizenship, you will not be able to get your citizenship for at least 10 years. You've got to be in the country at least 10 years. Even that, something so I'd consider if you're not Australian citizen, you won't have access to an Australia. I mean, I actually think that citizenship should only be given now if you're born here. I don't think that someone should be a given citizen like that's the golden ticket. citizenship now is a golden ticket in this country. If you are born here, you're allowed to have a golden ticket but do what Dubai do. No one's allowed a citizenship over there. They're just all permanent visa holders. Why is it when Dubai do something like that? They're not called racist but when I want to come out and say something like that, in a Western world it's like you racist. You're like what? Yeah, and then you loyalty and then they get elected. Do you know himself, Australia? I don't know if you know. They're laring foreign students in the country where people are on a visa here for three months. But to vote in your council elections, did you know that's been happening? Really? Yes. So it was only about a year and a half, two years ago that I spoke about this. I've been pushing for this to change. It was brought to my attention and it's only now what I've heard is the Labor Government is going to change it. So you've got people here on your councils who are not even Australian citizens as mayors and positions and councils. How do we. and the foreign students that were going around lobbying them to get their vote for the council elections? Yeah. Didn't you know that? No, I didn't. It's the only mistake that I know. So hopefully I'm getting that change but ask questions about that. It's your state. Thanks very much, Peter Manon, I'm asking you to dork. I am. Well, I've been pushing for it so I think he might be finally turning around but it's something that one nation have done. We've done that. Yeah, that's awesome. Pauline, we're going to wrap it up there. I just want to say thank you very much for coming onto the podcast. I really appreciate it. And yeah, I mean it's a really hot day in Adelaide so I do appreciate your travelling out here and getting it done with me. Not at all. I hope you've a little bit more about Pauline Hanson. Well, you know, I just. I've always been a fan. I've always. That's fantastic. I look home a fan of a lot of politicians out there for what they stand for. Bob Catter. Yeah. I know you don't get along with Gerard Renick but I'm a fan of Gerard Renick as well. You know, I think he's got a fantastic mind. And there's a few others there that you know, I like. But yeah, I know it's just good to meet someone like yourself finally to put a name to you know to get to know you other than what they perceive you in the public eye. And I knew that you were. I knew that you. I knew that what I was going to get with you and you didn't disappoint at all. So thank you very much. Hi, Pleusia. Anytime, Sam. All the best with your podcast. I think you do a fantastic job. Thank you very much. Thanks for tuning in to Two World's Glide Podcast. If you want to support what I'm doing, you can grab some merch or jump on my Patreon program. Both links are in the description. Until next week, take care guys.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The discussion focuses on support for Australian veterans Ben Roberts-Smith and Heston Russell, who are facing media scrutiny and legal challenges over alleged war crimes.
A personal story is shared about Ben Roberts-Smith's bravery in Afghanistan, highlighting his actions during a "green on blue" attack where an insurgent killed three soldiers.
Criticism is directed at the media, government, and military leadership for unfairly targeting veterans and rushing legislation without proper public consultation.
Pauline Hanson advocates for clearing the names of veterans, protecting freedom of speech, and addressing issues like mass immigration and political disconnection from the public.
Summary:
The conversation centers on the treatment of Australian veterans, particularly Ben Roberts-Smith and Heston Russell, who are embroiled in war crime allegations. The host shares an anecdote from Afghanistan in 2012, where an insurgent disguised as an Afghan soldier killed three Australian troops. Ben Roberts-Smith is praised for his courageous response, taking control of the scene and pursuing the attacker alone into hostile territory.
Both speakers criticize the media and government for vilifying veterans and rushing legislation, such as hate speech laws, without adequate public input. Pauline Hanson emphasizes her commitment to defending veterans and clearing their names, while also addressing broader concerns like mass immigration, political disconnection, and the need to protect freedom of speech. The dialogue underscores a perceived lack of support from military and political leaders, with calls for accountability and fair treatment of those who served.
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Pauline Hanson is a long-standing Australian politician known for leading the One Nation party. She emphasizes consistent policies focused on national interests, opposing mass immigration, and advocating for veterans' rights and freedom of speech.
A 'green on blue' incident refers to an attack where an insurgent posing as an Afghan National Army soldier killed three Australian soldiers in Afghanistan in 2012. This highlights the dangers faced by allied forces from insider threats during the conflict.
She believes they have been unfairly targeted by media and government inquiries, arguing they deserve support for their service. Hanson commits to fighting to clear their names and rectify what she sees as unjust treatment.
Hanson criticizes recent hate speech laws as rushed and restrictive, fearing they could silence political dissent. She advocates for constitutional protection of free speech, emphasizing the right to express opinions without inciting violence.
She describes it as disconnected from public needs, with politicians focusing on short-term fixes rather than long-term vision. Hanson accuses major parties of rushing legislation without proper public consultation, leading to ineffective governance.
Hanson has endured imprisonment, media criticism labeling her as racist, and personal threats. Despite this, she remains resilient, citing public support and a commitment to her principles as driving forces.
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