# 729 - Sublime on Bradley Nowell's Final Days and the Band's Rebirth

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I don't know if you guys are sober or not, but if you want a beer, we have a beer. And anything you don't want in here, we can take out. Oh, yeah. I don't like that ashtray. Oh, don't. By the way, I miss ashtrays like that, like when I was a kid. I know, right? Do you remember ashtrays that would go over the arms? How old are you? I'm 58. You're 58? How old are you? 56. Okay, I'm 53. I feel like we were the generation whose parents smoked around us. Oh, yeah, all the time. Grandma's house. Do you remember? I remember getting in Elaine Rieger's car to go to the beach. We were going to New Smyrna Beach, and she smoked 100s, Marlboro 100s, windows up the whole ride. And I was like, I guess there's no free beer. Yeah. There's no free beer. There's no free will in this car. Grandpa had the beanbag ashtrays in the middle of his Ford Granada, right on the transmission pump. Beanbag ashtrays. So did you guys all grow up down in Long Beach? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure. And when did you guys, when did the band, when did you guys, I'm fascinated by that life, because that life, that generation is like a thing that comes up in AI on Instagram these days. Do you know what I mean? Like they'll show like, like this was life and it shows someone on a skateboard with like long hair. So like, I'm curious, like what was that like Long Beach in the seventies? It was great. I mean, you know, like we, um, one of the neighborhoods that I grew up in, there was a bunch of kids, you know, it was a blue collar neighborhood. So everybody had kids. We had like 4th of July parades, but we had like a baseball diamond painted in the street. You know, we had end zones for football. So whatever season it was, you know, the kids were out there playing. And I mean, it was from elementary school to college, you know, and we all just got along. We all played together, you know, and, um, when it was the off season and it was ding dong ditch them or, or things like that, you know, um, I learned, I learned that, that, uh, Halloween was not for going door to door and getting candy. It's for putting on your camos and hiding in the bushes and scaring the shit out of little kids until they drop theirs and run. You get a lot more candy that way. It's amazing how Halloween shifts from like when you're a child to like at like 12 years old, you're like, all right, let's start fucking up kids. And then, and then there's like, I'm, I'm actually, uh, I'm, I'm trying to write a bit about Halloween right now. What do you want? A beer? A hundred percent. I'll take one as well. Do we have a, can we get some beers out of there? I'm going to have a beer and I'm going to tell you about the time when I discovered you guys. It was the coolest fucking moment in life. Cause music wasn't, people don't understand what like music wasn't, people don't understand music before Sublime. They don't, they really don't. You were going to, oh yeah, I guess we're not Christians around here. I'll take one too. Do you want a beer? Oh, no thanks. You sober? Yeah. God, good for you. Yeah. I was sober for seven months. The best part of not being sober is going, oh, I get to have a beer. Yeah. That's the only part. Um, cheers. Cheers to Sublime. Cheers to Sublime. And Sublime. The, uh. I'm in the back of a truck. We're driving to go see Dave Matthews in Philadelphia and my cousin Abe puts on Sublime. I don't practice Santeria. I don't have no crystal ball. And the melody, the rhythm, everything was somewhat familiar, but brand new. It's like sex with a new person. You know, you've done it before. Mm-hmm. But all of a sudden. And it feels better and it feels different. And you're like, hold on. Like, why? I know I've touched booze, but these are different. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. And I sat in the back. I went, what the fuck are we listening to? And they're like, oh, you haven't heard this? This is Sublime. That must have been 19, I'm guessing 1996 or 97 is when I found you. Yeah. It came out about 96, so. Yeah. It must have been. Cheers. Cheers. So, in 97 is when I found you, and then I read a Rolling Stone article about the band when Bradley had passed in LaGuardia Airport, and I cried. I was sitting having a margarita, and in the article, it said in the article, it's funny the little things you hold on to, you know, it said, you knew Sublime was going to have a good recording session if they were making margaritas. Mm-hmm. Is that. Is that. Isn't that funny? I remember that. Is that. That's pretty true. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. We never really learned how to make them, though. Not until way later. Yeah. It's fast. There was just lime and tequila. It was quicker. It was a lot easier, a lot less mess. Well, in the making. Yeah. In the making of a margarita, it's a lot less mess. Just lime and tequila. The mess happens later. Did you guys have. After like half a bottle or so. Did you guys have any idea? How groundbreaking you were? I mean, we kind of all. I always thought that we had something going, you know? Like, I never once, like, doubted that we weren't going to, you know, get out there. We played to nobody for years, you know? But what's it like playing to. We always thought we were the greatest band in the world, and we just needed to convince everybody else of it, you know? And it was like, why are you not getting it, you know? And, you know, trying to get, you know, signed or. Getting shows in L.A. was like pulling teeth, and it was like, what the fuck's wrong with you? Don't you have any ears? What was the criticism? Like, I mean. They just didn't know what to think. Well, the hair rock was still in when we were starting to come in. The dressing room at the Whiskey had, like, one of those, you know, a bowl for getting your hair done, you know, get the poodle do. Oh, the dryer, the big dryers and, like, six cans of Aquanet on the, you know, all the hair metal bands. Yeah, because you figure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I figure Nirvana shows up in 91, right? Yeah. You guys are already playing, but you're doing your own thing, which has got to be so difficult when grunge is so predominant, and everyone's like, you guys should sound like this. And you're like, yeah, but we don't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when me and him were growing up in Belmont Shore, like, being a punk rocker, you did have to watch out for the Hessians, because, you know, if a car of hippies came by, you know, you have to either run or fight and, and, uh, yeah things just kind of all meshed together when uh you know when nirvana and other bands like played had long hairs in it and they had like punk rock you know put in with metal or whatever just kind of like meshed it all together how informative was punk to you guys uh it was it was eye-opening so you know it's like i grew up my parents were hippies they listened to classic rock you know like what was playing in the house oh like led zeppelin the who uh rolling stones hendrix grateful dead stuff like that my dad was uh really big into into music going to see shows going out dancing and clubs and stuff like that after mom and him divorced so he took eric and i to go see the who and the clash at the yeah the replacements and it was like yeah i mean i was i would ditch i would ditch junior high school and just to watch the who's kids all right special on hbo and i would sit there and i would drink dad's liquor and you know fill it back up with water because he would mark the bottle that only worked so long until i got so deluded yeah but i was just like these guys are the original punk rockers the who you know and then breaking up their equipment playing louder than hell you know and then playing with the clash it was like oh this is this is it you know and eric and i got to go see that you know like 12 11 12 years old it was cool my parents never let me you know stay out of school for nothing but but he talked his dad talked to my mom and let me go somehow and uh it was awesome i think it was probably one of the first time i got stoned too really yeah so then you know it's like it's like we're you know punk rock was something new it wasn't more parents music we could go down to zed records frank the uh the guitar or the uh the the record technician there he would like show us like new stuff that just came out you know and and so it was like now we're shopping for all this wonderful new music you know it's it's like a candy store and and it's like well these guys actually live down the street from us you know and it's like we'd see like bands like the falling idols and secret hate which were neighborhood locals vandals you know and and uh the singer steve-o from vandals he gave me my first mohawk he gave me my first mohawk and he gave me my first mohawk and it was like you know it was like he gave me my first mohawk and uh and so you know it's like it's like we were growing up we're we're we're buying records and then we're seeing these guys at parties and stuff in the neighborhood and it's like these guys are legends yeah you know and uh so i mean eric and i used to sneak out and go see see the following idols play down at the lions club just down the street from us in belmont shores and and uh you know fast forward now we're now we're playing playing music with trey the guitar player from the falling idols he only stole one of the guitars from us and uh you know it's like he only stole one of the guitars from us and uh you know it's like he only stole one of the guitars and put it on our second album and and uh you know just out of you know paying homage to to them you know because they were so for informative you know i mean it was it was like that's all we wanted to do really eric and i after that show after seeing the clash and you know eric and i you know decided we were going to start a band and you know it was just the two of us and then we got a singer a friend of ours dave moore and so we had guitar drums and a singer you know and we started writing music and that was it we were on our way we're gonna be up there someday yeah you need a little bit of that delusion of like of like oh yeah we can do this yeah i remember i i i always credit it to a stupid girlfriend i had a stupid girlfriend who's like oh if if adam sandler can do it you can do it i was like i was like that doesn't track totally but yeah i guess if you feel like that if you think that she's like well he's just a regular guy and i was like but he was adam sandler and i was like well okay but it's funny what did how did your instruments find you like did did you go like like like i don't know how that i mean i picked up a guitar because i wanted pussy and i thought drums you couldn't carry them around so that's how i got guitar that's what your dad told you huh his dad was yeah my dad and but i bought me a trumpet for the to play in the band the band class and he said drums are too much shit to carry around but he's a drummer himself he taught but how to play drums and yeah yeah and then you just i started off with the violin you know and then trombone and then uh i saw they they had a uh you know an assembly at school and um they were doing uh uh the jazz band was doing the all the music from star wars the original one yeah episode three or whatever yeah but yeah and then and i just like the the horns were having fun you know and they're swinging jazz and stuff like that but the drummer's yeah yeah yeah and i was like that's the one that'll piss off the parents surely god yeah i i in hindsight i think i would have enjoyed probably drums with my adhd the most i can i guitar is too complicated for me and and i and but i was also a front man didn't last very long yeah the uh so but how do you how does how does sublime find their sound like how does that happen i know i'll say in comedy you find your voice based on sometimes what's the easiest tool to work on stage you know like some guys uh i had a buddy who was very much like stephen wright and it was just like that was the easiest thing for him to write it mathematically it made sense for me i grew up around all boys catholic high school so stories are how we is how we it was our currency if you could because there's no chicks there so if you could tell a story you had a seat at the table for lunch because people wanted to hear your story so i got good at telling stories through that and then in eternity you know tell what happened last night and so that's how i think i that's how i found my voice but i'm curious how a band finds their sound specifically when you have such a distinct sound well we just put we put all our favorite type of music together brett brad uh turned me on to reggae and ska and and i turned him on to some punk rock and then he was into like the cure and stuff like that and you know the cure is so fucking good the cure was like the only new wave band that punkers could listen to without getting shit for right god the cure was like the one thing that made you go like ah yeah i could like it gave you a tad bit of sensitivity yeah like like i remember finding the cure in like 19 no probably 1987 you know i guess and being like all right this will this is the cure in the smiths yeah we're like the two things that i could i mean still to the day i fucking if i get drunk and in my back house and i fucking listen to smiths i can get fucking weird you gotta rewind the 80s sometimes echoing the bunny man echoing the bunny man's fucking legit and lords of the new church dude i i does has has music gone away i think it's starting to come back but it did for a while it really did for a while and and uh you know the whole the whole computer thing and then you know with the millie vanillie you know a lot of bands were singing to soundtracks because it was just easier the you know um the backing tracks and stuff like that were just easier for them to put on a performance yeah and it kind of turned into this kind of hollywood kind of thing and it wasn't it wasn't live performance anymore and it was just so you could have more pyrotechnics and the bigger stage show and and stuff like that which is great for pop you know i mean there's a place for it and all you know taylor swift and and people 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Tempomeals.com slash BERT. Rules and restrictions may apply. I sat with my daughter and a bunch of her friends and we saw Metallica at SoFi. At a certain point, I realized I don't think these kids know that every noise they're hearing is played by just those things. You know? Like, that's the craziest part of a band is when you see them. It's just that. It's just that. And they're still running a track along with the music. Oh, really? Yeah. Some bands do that. But it's so interesting that just those instruments can make all that noise come together so perfectly. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, it's as opposed to what kids now see is like, you know, a DJ go up and he's hitting buttons and he's. Just on a computer, which also I like. I'm not. I'm no slight on that. But it's such a different vibe to see someone with just four, three instruments make all the noise. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Definitely. There's that missing raw talent, you know? And, you know, I mean, there's some DJs out there that just totally rip, you know, three turntables and they're making music out of something that was already created, but it sounds nothing like what they were playing off of, you know? And those guys are super talented. They're talented, too. But, you know, if you're just pushing a button and the computer is playing, you know, the rhythm track and stuff like that, and then, you know, there's a lot of fudgery going on. Yeah. And so it's good to see, you know, in the smaller clubs, kids are getting together, they're grabbing instruments, they're making bands, and they're going back out there and hitting it hard now. So. Yeah. I see a resurgence coming. I think so. So let's. I mean, obviously, I want to talk about Bradley. He's such an important part. I want to talk about Jacob, too, but I'm so fascinated by the long beach of your youth and then how formative it is. Keep going. Can we get one more beer? Yeah. As many as you want, by the way. And I'll try to match you. My drinking slowed down. When I quit drinking, it was like, all of a sudden, I had to start all over. I feel like I'm in ninth grade again. Yeah. So if I. It does that to you. If I try to finger you, I apologize. But so you guys, did Bradley grow up in Long Beach, too? Yeah, he did. And did you guys know him growing up? Eric met him before I did. Yeah, I was in the seventh, I don't know, eighth grade, and I didn't go to the same school as him, but you read about that, and he moved from Anaheim Hills to his dad's because he was getting in too much trouble with his mom. And a friend of mine, Dave Dackey, he said, hey, you got to jam with this guy, man. I think you guys will mesh really good. And sure as shit, I went over there with my guitar the first day, and then I came in the next day with my bass, and then we just started writing songs like crazy. Really? Yeah. And are you in seventh grade? It was like eighth grade, I think. Eighth grade? I can't really count the. Grade's too old because I dropped out like in eleventh grade, I think. I never did so good in school. I wonder if there's a brilliance to an eighth grade song, you know, like a real artist. Well, this is before Sublime. We had like two bands before, and that's when Bud moved away, is when I was in a couple of bands with him. My parents were divorced, and so I would stay with one parent for a year, and then move to the other parent's house for a year. And so. So Eric and I would form a band when I was back in Long Beach by him, then I'd move on the other side of Long Beach or Lakewood with Mom, and then I'd start a band with kids from my school. He would jam with other people, so one of these times when I was gone. Yeah, without a car, it seemed like he was in another world, though. Yeah. That's crazy. And where were you living when you'd moved with your mom? Were you in Anaheim? No, no. So sometimes I was like in East Long Beach. Sometimes I was over in Lakewood. But far enough away where we couldn't really ride bikes and visit and stuff like that. That's a crazy statement that no one would understand. Yeah. So you couldn't ride my bike to his house? I'd ride my bike everywhere. I'd ride my bike to Huntington Beach. You know, yeah, I would ride 20, 25 miles, you know, just one direction. And by the way, on a fucking BMX. Yeah. Not a mountain bike, not a road bike. I would get on a BMX and ride easily 10 miles in a day, and I didn't wake up with a sore ass. Yeah. I didn't have biker shorts. I didn't have anything. I just did it. Yeah. Yeah. And then mom moved up to Lake Tahoe. And then so that made things a lot harder to commute. Yeah. Did you spend time up in Lake Tahoe, too? I did. I did. And I learned how to snow skate. What's that like for a Southern California kid? You know, it was awesome. Like, we lived right up by Gardner Mountain by the high school. And so I could hike over Gardner Mountain and be at Fallen Leaf Lake in like 45 minutes. And back then, it was just a dirt road. There was no motorized bikes. There was no motorized boats allowed on the lake. So I'm 13 years old. I'm limiting on trout in like two hours, you know, from hiking over there an hour and a half on the lake, just snapping rainbows, you know, bam, bam, bam, bam. And, you know, I'm smoking and joking, having a great time. It was like, I felt like Huckleberry Finn, you know, I was like, this is wild. There's places like this. You can actually live. You know, it's not a concrete jungle. I knew nothing of this like existed. You know, and we would go to like Emerald Bay and I'd look up the face of this granite mountain from Emerald Bay. And I was like, what's on the other side of that? And mom's boyfriend, Pat, would say, desolation wilderness. And I was like, oh, that sounds so inviting. I got to go check it out. It's the fucking Rubicon Trail, you know. And so it's like, I'm into jeeping. I was meant to be up there. You know, that's why I live in Reno is because. Really? Is that your connection? Yeah. Yeah. It's so fun. It's fucking pretty up there. I wanted to move up there. I was like, always like, I fell in love with the Sierras and, you know, hiking, fishing, skiing. I learned how to ski when I was up there. And so I was, you know, learning how to downhill and it didn't take long. I'm in junior high school. Didn't take long for me to figure out that I didn't need a snow day to not go to school. I could drop my brother off at the bus stop, go run back and grab my gear, hitchhike to the casinos. I can catch the free shuttle out to Sierra ski ranch is what it was called back then. And then ski, do a couple of turns, get home on the shuttle, hitchhike back home, pick my brother up from the bus stop. So I think I had like, like 80 absences that year. And my dad was like, all right, enough of Tahoe because I was going straight downhill. My grades are going straight downhill. You know, I really learned how to smoke good weed up there. And so, yeah, that, that kind of ended things. For me up in Tahoe. What a great childhood though. Yeah. Oh no, it was amazing. It was amazing. Do you ever think about that? Like the sliding doors of what would have happened had you not come back here? I do not. Oh yeah. Yeah. I probably, probably would have been a ski bum. It's not a bad life. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I lift operator working in the casinos. Buddy. I, I, if I hadn't, if I hadn't got, come on in. Hey guys. Um, uh, beers are in the fridge to help yourself. Um, if I hadn't, if I hadn't got, come on in. gotten, if I gotten discovered by Rolling Stone magazine I would have moved to Aspen and been a lift operator and and then who knows I mean I mean a lot of things I say that I say that a lot of times with music had I not heard certain bands I don't know what would have happened to me I mean I say that was sublime the sublime was a band that I was like I mean I became a tad bit obsessed with you guys like obsessed like unhealthy like uh I mean I remember the first I remember introducing you guys to my daughters for the first time it's so cool I don't think there's a lot of art like that I uh no not to blow smoke up your ass but you're better than Jackson Pollock because like if you show Jackson Pollock to a kid they're like what the fuck is that I can do that yeah but then when you play you everyone I think everyone's got this vibe of like holy shit and then the and then it's so communal everyone knows the world you know I you know a sublime song within hearing it once you all of a sudden know the how to sing along with it you know how quick did it take you guys to get a fan base quite a while yeah locally like we we started getting getting people to to dig us you know just playing backyard parties and they had to feel like you were theirs yeah yeah you know it was it was like you know we you know opie and and Dougie um our DJ Doug he he made like our first t-shirt design and stuff like that and was like you guys are you guys are on to something here you know and and uh um you know we were playing with with other other local bands and backyard parties and stuff like that and then there became like this competitiveness you know and and so we knew that if we were being disliked by other bands we were probably doing something really good we're stealing stealing their chicks stealing their their uh parties and yeah and all that but the local bands at the time was now was no doubt local or was that that came like a little later like Disneyland or something like that Orange County Gwen Stefani to this day is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in person in my entire life I've I think Gwen Stefani I've said it to her ex-husband she is this by the way one of the nicest sweetest people but I looked at her forearm her wrist and her hand and I was like oh my god she's so sweet she's so sweet she's so sweet and I was like that's like Disney princess like fucking insane and then she's just this like this like hi and you're like I don't know how Gavin fucked that up anyway um so but what was like what were the local bands at the time around you guys that you were competing with you remember some of those names uh in the early days like it was like was this was this the what was like uh because I've one of the bands I was obsessed with around this time was 10 foot pole oh yeah I remember those guys yeah uh the pit it was a pitcher for the White Sox I think yeah it was am I am I am I saying the right name but like there were some punk bands that I was around that time that I was really obsessed with and then you guys showed up and it was like the fucking game changed all of a sudden I want you had to hear people cop your style yeah yeah we did a little bit a little bit what's that but like so so like with no with no doubt it was it was strange because they were doing like you know more straight ska stuff and and uh mixed in with a little bit of punk here and there but but um we noticed right off the bat that at a at a no affection or uh no doubt show that all the faces were the same you know we were sharing like the same same crowds really and so then it became less of a competition and more of like a brotherhood like hey you guys get a gig call us and we'll support we'll we'll play we'll open up for you if we get a gig we'll call you guys and you guys open up for us and so we were trading you know trading off like that and it became you know rather lucrative that way you know we were getting more exposure and we had two sets of eyes and ears working you know shows and stuff instead of just doing it all ourselves so um and it was fun you know there are a lot of a lot of uh you know great guys in that band you know yeah yeah comedy used to be like that used to be very communal now it's it's got I don't know why but it's gotten very um columned off oh yeah it stinks it you know used to be like you were a comedy fan and now all of a sudden you're like oh yeah you're a comedy fan and now all of a sudden everyone's like no I'm a that guy fan yeah and you're like oh that's even my my best friend and I don't share we have a podcast together and we don't share the same fan base there we'll do a meet and greet and people will be like dude Tom I'm a huge fan and then you're just standing right next to him they're like Bert can I get a picture of just Tom and I'm like 100 and then you and you're like wow that's crazy that yeah we find we make each other laugh but I don't make them laugh only he does it's crazy yeah I can understand that a little bit with music you know because there's shit I don't dig yeah take me through the very beginnings of sublime the moment you guys go hey I think this is better than all the other bands we've been doing I don't know it was that first week that we got together and it was like we wrote like like six or seven songs five or six songs let me get let me get okay I'm I really actually want one of the things I'd like you to do is I'd like to go through some of my favorite songs and you to tell me how you guys did it like there's like like because I I can do that with jokes I can tell you how a joke starts it's my favorite thing in the world but like I'm like my you have written anthems but so you you guys get together and you write some songs what songs do you write and what what song do you write where you're like well fuck this seems to be working well Brad Brad could he had a great voice you know and and uh and he could play guitar too which is you know with a punk band it's like you're usually just playing you know bar chords and then got some stretch leads going on in there you know real real uh you know kind of um you know remedial stuff going on there and you know maybe just doing like a blues scale or something like that and just writing it out but and great rhythm I apologize for interrupting great rhythm and it does that come from you two rhythm of sublime is possibly the most distinct thing about the band does that come from you guys knowing each other as long as you do and having kind of this this synergy of being in band since eighth seventh eighth grade 100 I mean you got drum and bass right here yeah it's the foundation you know Brad could do whatever he wanted Eric and I are holding down the rhythm so ultimately he's gonna he's gonna listen to you he could change he could change the melody you know 13 times over and we're just rocking through it and and just playing it you know holding down the foundation and part of the magic I think is you know we had the same the same master teaching us you know Eric's dad was was fundamental and and you know making our sound you know I I studied you know drums with him and and he taught Eric you know what he knows too and and then you know Eric got other other lessons on guitar and bass but but uh you know I think that that foundation you know starting from from Bill Bill Wilson was was uh was definitely the the root of it that's the I mean in my by the way pedestrian opinion the root of sublime is the rhythm of you guys the every people I I think you could argue you know some some reggae riffs or whatever but I I it's the it had like this weird distinct almost hip-hop uh punk vibe but very beachy and it was that that was the thing that stands out to me DraftKings an official partner of the NBA is now available in all 50 states so wherever you live follow your favorite NBA stars get excited about the biggest matchups and lock in 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to go up there and fuck up all your record collection really easy but you know to to actually make it sound good and work and and produce beats that was that was tough finding someone that could actually do that you know yeah um and uh so so we would try to recreate that feeling live and uh and then the the also with the reggae part of things you know the the reggae the the success about you know reggae rhythms is it's it's like hypnotic you know and it just makes you want to dance the body just feels the groove and it's like you can't help but you know move your head start moving your feet you know it's just that hypnotic rhythm it's moving the body you know without even thinking so i got into um i started doing the deep dive in the very origins of reggae um the other night and just trying to because like the old old old stuff like the bunny is it bunny whaler and rock city yeah and i and it is very melodic and very kind of put it on the background and your day moves forward with you along by it it's like it's still smoke pot the um so when you guys you guys get together that first time and you guys write a few songs at what song at what moment do you realize like this is this is kismet this is it i was just within the first like half hour or something really i can tell you what song i don't remember that far back but but um yeah i just remember getting together and and no no we had to keep it together like brad was going to school in santa cruz and he'd come down for vacation for christmas vacation and um and then i called bud and said hey let's get together let's do brad and we then after you know what was it a couple days we jammed he went back up and he transferred to long beach like right away and we just started yeah brad brad together we he had uh you know we were like we can't wait for summer you know when you get back from school it's it's on you know and then when he came back we you know went back into his dad's garage and started jamming again you know i think we first i thought it was chris christmas vacation it was yeah yeah when we first started playing together we were playing you know other people's songs just jamming you know playing like some descendants songs you know play some punk rock and then he would show us like a little riff and then you know he had already he had already wrote the song date rape he did that up in college it was a big thing at the time people were getting roofied you know and and so it was it was a campus buzz kind of thing you know and so he wrote this song in its entirety you know on acoustic and and would go and do like open mic night stuff you know and and when when he showed us that song i was like this is this is it man it's funny it's it's historical and the dude gets it in the end literally you know and and it's it was it was upbeat in your face you know driving and it was just like you know me as a punker i'm just like oh yeah you know all about it you know i think early on um brad had a really really sweet you know kind of soft after voices he didn't get that gravel and growl in there until after smoking cigarettes and you know he he wasn't really you know into to uh you know drugs or or partying that much i mean he had drank a little bit but he was a normie for the most part and and eric and i were like you know we're like oh bro uh we're not gonna practice unless you get us a 12 pack and pack of marlboro rats come on dude you got money we don't we're broke i'll take another beer the uh so wait so that that's so interesting so he was he was a normie yeah that's wild because it's i i take your time with this because i think that we all think we know brad because of the music but i don't think but clearly none of us do i i this is the guy i know right i'm gonna tell you and this is we're talking about a pretty big fan a guy that would walk around this is my perspective and and this is all conjecture or projected a guy that would walk around barefoot shirtless with his dog who uh would stop by knew everyone have a pitcher of beer uh uh find his way to his chick at some point then uh grab his guitar find you guys you guys would play stay up until late smoke weed wake up uh have a cup of coffee fucking smiles across the board uh never probably thought twice about stuff like a tattoo or something just was like ah life is that who that was that's who it was you'd have the beer in the morning or bloody mary probably yeah god that's so sexy but tell me tell me in your like if you had to if we were making a movie which i don't know why this hasn't been done i don't know why there isn't a sublime movie it's fucking oh it's got to be already in the mix i'm certain right there's been some rumblings about it but uh being what would the who would play him and what define the character tell me about the character tell me about the guy well i think there's definitely a couple of different phases you know brad brad is intelligent as all hell you know he's a history buff he loved to learn he loved to read so shane gillis plays brad noel and and and uh he was just he was like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know like always into like when we're traveling he would be reading and i was like how can you read while we're driving down the road he read sick yeah he was a reader he was a reading fool remember that yeah he would read and and then and then we would get places and he would like have read about it you know and it's like we're gonna go check this out it's like what the fuck did you find this out so now he's a little bit like bourdain keep going yeah that's crazy i hear about people my dad was like that my dad would go on vacation and my dad would read a book about the place yeah and then he go you know what's crazy about this buddy this is where the pirates landed and there's a big thing and i would always be like oh yeah i listened to a podcast about reno last week and i was like all i took is that this is where people got divorced yeah they used they used to make quick divorces and then they figured out they were doing it wrong and now it's probably one of the longest places to get divorced ask me i know was he a hypochondriac no no he was he was kind of like he would ride it out you know if he was like hung over or whatever he would just hair the dog he would just get up he was he wasn't like one that would lay around that was until later when he maybe got dope sick or something like that but but uh but he was he was a lover of life you know he always wanted to be out doing something you know he would uh let's go to mexico and go surfing you know he would be like i'm gonna go to you know let's camp out you know let's do you know we we would be on on the road and instead of getting a hotel room maybe it's because lack of money but we'd go like camp out on the beach or flop out at people's houses he he loved to sit on the end of the stage and talk to people you know that was that was like his his thing he was just really he really like like dug people and got high off of people and and how they they work and shit like that you know yeah was he an eye contact guy Yeah, yeah. Some people are and some people aren't. it's funny i always expected him to be an eye contact guy yeah no he would look you in the face and tell you stories and steal your secrets now how does how does and and by the way remember anything we don't want to talk about we can take out or i just i'm just asking free questions as a fan how how hard is it how does heroin get introduced to a person from other people you know like i i think the average person like christine you've never done heroin right but like but for me to say that to her is so ridiculous for the average person to hear that i would imagine that and i've never been offered heroin per se i've have been offered dilaudid which is pharmaceutical heroin right but like how does it how does it show up in your life it's almost like anal sex like how do you get into that searching out pills or meth is it is it pills and someone's like i got something a little different really yeah it's just that casual is there any like have you ever done heroin oh yeah really yeah yeah and then does it is it really just like is it i mean like i i i want to be like it's like my my this sounds so remedial but my parents always said don't do it yes and then you just go i mean i remember the first time i did coke and i was like i probably shouldn't do this it seemed like everyone else was doing it is it that kind of thing it is it is kind of like that and you know you don't just go and stick a needle in your arm the first time you get get it offered usually you smoke it or you sniff it or something like that and it's a gradual thing you know um sometimes um we would get like opium resin you know from hippies and stuff like that you go buy some weed and you're like oh i got a little ball of some some opium so you'd smoke it and it's just you know a lighter form of of heroin and uh you know so you're like oh this is familiar i remember that when i smashed my fingers and the doctor gave me some vicodin and then i really liked that feeling so i ate a few more yeah it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling and you know it feels comfortable you know um and uh you know i don't think that anybody ever like just like says you know what i think today i'm gonna go try heroin you know it's you're always looking for something you know a different high but you know there's you know there's i don't think there's a lot of heroin in the world right now but you know there's you know there's a lot of heroin in the world right now but you know there's there's uh i don't know i want there's uh i don't know i want there's uh i don't know i want to say you know we we met some people to say you know we we met some people to say you know we we met some people through through our lives that that have through through our lives that that have through through our lives that that have introduced us to different things that i introduced us to different things that i introduced us to different things that i thought i would never do thought i would never do thought i would never do you know and but then you know you you you know and but then you know you you you know and but then you know you you see you get you get taught in school see you get you get taught in school see you get you get taught in school you know drugs are bad okay and uh if you you know you you get taught in school you know drugs are bad okay and uh if you and she always went to work there was and she always went to work there was and she always went to work there was always food on the table always food on the table always food on the table you know she was serious about us you you know she was serious about us you you know she was serious about us you know completing school and stuff like know completing school and stuff like know completing school and stuff like that she was a good mom that she was a good mom that she was a good mom so all you people are lying to me so so all you people are lying to me so so all you people are lying to me so what else are you lying about if if what else are you lying about if if what else are you lying about if if weed's not bad and you know dad drank weed's not bad and you know dad drank weed's not bad and you know dad drank every day so every day so every day so you know i can smoke and drink all right you know i can smoke and drink all right you know i can smoke and drink all right far out well what about this stuff oh a far out well what about this stuff oh a far out well what about this stuff oh a little bit of blow woohoo now i'm having little bit of blow woohoo now i'm having little bit of blow woohoo now i'm having fun now i can drink a lot more you know fun now i can drink a lot more you know fun now i can drink a lot more you know and then the natural progression is well and then the natural progression is well and then the natural progression is well cocaine's too expensive cocaine's too expensive cocaine's too expensive and uh i'm broke i'm you know in high and uh i'm broke i'm you know in high and uh i'm broke i'm you know in high school so maybe i should try speed school so maybe i should try speed school so maybe i should try speed that's a little bit cheaper and it lasts that's a little bit cheaper and it lasts that's a little bit cheaper and it lasts a hell of a lot longer a hell of a lot longer a hell of a lot longer you know so you know there's just you know so you know there's just you know so you know there's just like the gateway drug i mean to to like the gateway drug i mean to to like the gateway drug i mean to to you know coin a phrase or whatever but i you know coin a phrase or whatever but i you know coin a phrase or whatever but i think that's just you know your think that's just you know your think that's just you know your curiosity curiosity curiosity kind of develops and and so you see okay kind of develops and and so you see okay kind of develops and and so you see okay well that wasn't so bad so maybe this well that wasn't so bad so maybe this well that wasn't so bad so maybe this other stuff ain't so bad other stuff ain't so bad other stuff ain't so bad you're you're really nailed something you're you're really nailed something you're you're really nailed something is that is that is that i remember them saying the lies the lie almost was worse than the lies the lie almost was worse than the lies the lie almost was worse than them just telling us the truth them just telling us the truth them just telling us the truth i remember they said if you do cocaine i remember they said if you do cocaine you're going to be addicted the addict do you remember they go like the addiction rate is through the roof oh yeah first time you try it you're going to be living on the streets yeah and and i was like and then i was terrified yeah then i did coke and i was like well i have no interest in doing it again today as a matter of fact the last thing i want to do and i was like wait what the fuck this was a lie maybe next friday well then there's the time when you go out you're like i need coke i can't imagine what how are we supposed to have fun that's that's a interesting it's so interesting but the i remember them saying i remember them saying in a class if you have a drink every night you're an alcoholic and i remember this girl started crying i'm like why is my dad has a drink every night every night he's an alcoholic and i remember this guy i think it was mr kennedy was like oh god maybe i should i mean maybe it's not for everyone like you know like he was like i i'm told to tell you this but it's not the truth and and then when you start i think that still permeates if you look online they're they're going to tell you you can find any truth you want to find that's true even in the in the the big book for aa it says you don't think you're an alcoholic go to a bar and have just one drink and if you can stop after that then you're probably not an alcoholic all right let's go to the bar yeah let's check it out boom shot all right let's go hey guess what i'm not an alcoholic i can drink tomorrow yeah you know so yeah is that too so did did you did you get clean from everything at the same time uh no no um i i stopped doing like hard drugs um first and then i still smoked and and drank um and then uh you know the drinking would come and go i'd put that down for a little bit and then i'd get thirsty again and you know and then then i put the weed down for a little while and uh and just drank you know and and then finally i was just like i did a uh like a sober october kind of thing and stopped for a little bit and then and then uh and then i i had a couple of glasses of wine at dinner with some friends and felt like shit the other day and i just something clicked and i was like you know what i'm just training my body to accept this poison and i'm done with it yeah i just don't want to do it anymore man when i got done working for travel channel i was a mess i was a real mess and uh i know it sounds 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We did this modern drummer did, uh, um, they did this, they did this thing on, on, uh, golf and drummers. So they're going to have this golf contest and with all these drummers. So there was, uh, you know, Mick Fleetwood, Joe, the kid from mighty boss tones, Adrian young, no doubt. Tommy Lee, you know, a bunch of guys are out there and, uh, or at the, uh, country club in Malibu. And so we're out there playing and, you know, I'm okay. I'm not great, but you know, it was, well, let's go out there and do, do it with a bunch of drummers. And, uh, and Tommy Lee comes up like at the second hole and he's like, all right, this is too easy because it was best ball scramble. So, you know, it's pretty easy kind of, you know, game you're playing with these guys that are, you know, scratch golfers. And so we're getting on the green, you know, two under par. So, you know, let's, let's add a challenge to it. And he's like, absolute crayons. Everybody's got to drink a pint at each tee. And so I'm like, all right, challenge accepted, you know, and I soon find that I was the only one that was keeping true to that. So the 19th hole we're hanging out and Tommy's like, Hey, let's go back to my house. You know, cause he lived like right down the street, him and Pam's house was like right down the street. And so, so, uh, we go over there and he's got like a drum set set up in the front room. He's got like a little tiki bar, you know, and everybody's like kind of hanging out and talking drums and shit like that. And I'm just like looking around. There was this, there was this bathroom, like a, like a half bathroom. And it was like all mohair all over the, the walls, the ceiling, the floor of the toilet, everything was just fucking long shag mohair. I was like, Oh, Pam designed this room, you know? And, uh, so I'm kind of thirsty again. I'm going to go make a cocktail. So I go to the tiki bar and start pouring myself a drink and somebody else comes up and like, Oh, here, yeah, here, I'll make you what I'm drinking. You take a drink of, uh, yeah, that's a little too heavy. So I can't let the liquor go to waste. This is a story. I ended up blacking out that night. Um, so, so I got, I got, uh, I, I got really tired and, and, and realized that, you know, it was time for everybody to leave my house. Evidently. So, uh, Tommy's Tommy's bouncer, he, he grabbed me and put me in my, in my truck and, and, uh, and told me to, to sleep it off, you know? So I, I go and I'm sleeping in the back seat of my pickup truck and now I got a fucking piss like a racehorse. Which house was it again? It's like, fuck, I'm ringing the bell. Ding, dong, ding, dong, ding, dong. Hey, Tommy, let me in. I got a fucking piss, man. You know, I'm talking to the microphone and, and, uh, intercom thing and fuck it. I'm just going to hop the fence, right? It was the neighbor's house. So they're like, Tommy, help, help your friends break. It into our home. Oh my God. Vicky comes out, he brings me into the bathroom. Oh, the Jeffrey room. I pee and he walks me back out again. Well, I didn't want to go. Well, now, now it's time for another cocktail. So he drags me out, you know, kicking and screaming and, and, uh, puts me in my, in my truck, you know, and, and, uh, I don't know after that, the next morning I woke up mid scream in a padded cell. You know, I'm like yelling through the fucking glass window on a door in a jail cell. Holy shit. Where am I at? The fuck? Fucking just, just fucking time travel, you know? So I'm checking my pockets, you know, I don't have any fucking paperwork. I see it's a jail cell. I don't have any fucking paperwork. Holy shit. I don't have any paperwork. What the fuck? Okay. I was at the country club. We went to Tommy's house. I got fucking drunk driving through the canyons. Holy shit. I killed somebody deputy. You know, I'm thinking I had a DUI crash or something like that. And, uh, so the deputy comes up and he's like, you got a really good friend there. And Tommy, and he's like, he said that he really didn't want to call the cops on you, but he didn't want you to get hurt. And he's like, I don't want to call the cops on you, but he didn't want you to get hurt. So he had us come here and put you in the hotel room. As soon as you blow zeros, you're free to go. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm just feeling like a fucking scab that just got picked, you know, and, and I'm just like, fuck, I feel like shit. You know, I got to call Tommy and fucking find out what happened and apologize for it. You know, cause an apology is no good. If you don't know. Thank you. Couples therapy. Yeah. That was, that was a nightmare relived and, and, uh, you know, he was really cool about it. He was like, bro, we've all been there before, you know, just glad you didn't hurt yourself or someone else. So, you know, I quit for a while after that. I got too good at it, I guess. Might be the best story I've ever heard on my podcast. Jesus Christ. So now, can I ask you when, was there a moment when you guys started taking off that you, that you guys as a band were like, maybe we should clean up and do the straight and narrow and get, and, and ride this thing in the right direction? And not really like straight and narrow, but a lot of people would tell us, yeah, they think we should do. A lot of people would say like, Hey, you guys should get off everything, just margaritas and let's just fucking make as much money as possible. Yeah. Well, we, we kind of thought that maybe it would be better if we just stuck to drinking and smoking. Really? And quitting the hard drugs and stuff. It was, you know, back in the nineties, everything was zero tolerance, you know, and driving through, through Texas or Florida with a fucking ounce of heroin is a life sentence. So. It probably still is. We had always, we had always kind of. Grandma weed. Yeah, even weed was fucked up. I was looking at one of my charges. Still is in Texas. Now it's edible. Yeah. You can't have edibles. You get fucking, it's a felony. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's manufactured. So, yeah. So yeah, we would always ask Brad to clean up before we would go out on the road. Cause you know, it was, it was a hassle, you know, it was like trying to cop dope someplace that you don't know people, you know, you might get a hot dose, fuck you up for good. So, you know, Eric and I, Eric wasn't really ever into that shit at all. And I had, and put it behind me, you know, And for the most part, you know, I'd still screw up from time to time. It was usually with Brad. But, you know, I was, we saw what we were doing. We were starting to, you know, play bigger shows and we're, you know. Can you explain that? I mean, I know in comedy terms, a club versus a theater versus another. But, like, when you say bigger shows, like, I want to know what that progression feels like for the band. Like, you're like, you know, you're playing an amphitheater. You're going to play this arena. Like, what did it look like for Sublime? So, we started off just playing, like, backyard parties and stuff like that. And then, you know, frat parties and things of that nature. And then, you know, we would play, like, Hollywood shows. But it wasn't, like, our show. And we're playing with bands that we don't really even correlate with, you know. It's like there's a hair metal band, there's a funk band, and there's us, you know. And it was just, and everybody's friends would come. We'd see that band, and then they would split, you know. So, we were, like, playing in vacant rooms. And then, you know, Miguel got the Book Your Own Fucking Life Maximum Rock and Roll, which had a list of club addresses and promoters and stuff like that. And he started booking us tours. Like, these guys did a run across the South. And then we did one up the West Coast. And we were starting to make friends. Friends and fans, you know, along the way. And then we come back, and we've got, you know, our second album. This is Robin the Hood? Yeah, Robin the Hood. That's 1994. Yes. I think, yeah. Yeah. And Brett Gerwitz from Bad Religion posed an interest in us and wanted to record us. And that's why half the album is studio recorded, and the other half is done on an 8-track in various living rooms, across Orange County, because we had this free recording session. And then he, like, left to go, like, sign a contract for Bad Religion in New York. And so, Michael rewound the tape, and we took the 2-inch tape with us and split and left a note. Because the engineer refused to turn the bass up in the mix because he was used to recording, like, funk rock with, like, buried bass in it, you know? We wanted that booming bass. And we always had, like, the loud, you know, reggae bass, whatever. You've got to have the bottom end in reggae. A girl's got to move. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He left for lunch, and we just mixed it down real quick and split. But, you know, then we're, now we're passing out CDs, and we're getting, you know, a little bit more attention. We're getting shows, you know, with K-Rock, you know, Weenie Roast, and playing at House of Blues, you know, on good sound systems. And people are. People are showing up to our shows, and, you know, it's like, we're finally, you know, at the level where we pictured ourselves, you know, on that Coliseum floor. Like, you know, we're playing the House of Blues in fucking Hollywood, bro. Fucking, that's big. By the way, that was a great venue. Yeah. That was a great fucking venue. That breaks my heart that it's not there. Yeah, yeah, I know. Those guys did a really good job with it. Yeah. And then what, is there. Is there something that changed between Robin the Hood and Sublime, those two albums, that you could quantify? Because that, the Sublime album seemed to be the one that solidified you guys culturally in perpetuity. Meaning, I've been thinking about this a lot lately. There's not a lot of art that's going to maintain. You know, it's kind of bizarre. Like, I'm watching, I'm listening to this podcast about Richard Gere and the gerbil. You know? And it's wild. You know, they say Richard Gere put a gerbil up his ass? Yeah, there's a song about that, actually. It's crazy. He's a great actor. Yeah, yeah. But all we know about is the gerbil. And that's going to last longer than Richard Gere's body of work. People are going to go, did you ever see Officer and Gentleman? The guy that put the gerbil up his ass? By the way, he never did it. He never did it. He didn't do it. They say that Sylvester Stallone was jealous of him and created the, that's what they say. But in a weird way, and I've been going through, because it is frightening to think that you would work your life to have for art, and it won't, and no one's going to remember it. But you guys will. Like, they will listen. Your musical is going to be around forever. And mostly, and I apologize once again for Pedestrian, that Sublime album with the tat on the back, with the, that album is iconic, culturally iconic. You don't get, people don't get that in life. You really don't. Like, I'm going to talk really grand, but like, Star Wars, E.T., certain things. Stamp a moment in our lives, you know? And that album, forever. Forever. You will never, my great-great-grandchildren will have computer chips in their ears, and the beaches will be holograms in their eyes. And they won't, because the beaches will all be dried up, or we won't have coastlines anymore. And they'll put on the beach in the hologram, and they'll put their feet in fake sand as they look at the hologram, and they're going to play Sublime. And have a fucking beer to relax after work. That's fucking insane. But it's, that album cemented you culturally. What was the, what, what happened? Like, what was the, what did you see the progression that all of a sudden, the planets aligned, and you guys wrote that? I think part of it. And by the way, I got to say, the new album, Until the Sun Explodes, is fucking phenomenal. And by the way, and we're going to talk about everything with Jacob. Jacob in a second. But I'm, that album is insane to me. No, name Dark Side of the Moon, like, I mean, I'm saying, being serious. You go through the bands, Welcome to the Jungle, Dark Side of the Moon, like, there's certain albums that are iconic. We had Paul Leary produce it from the Butthole Surfers. No. Yeah, and we looked up to, you know, to him and the Butthole Surfers a lot. Fuck yes. And I think we were trying to show off to him or something. It had a lot to do with it. Well, I think we had, we had grown, you know, musically and had matured. And then also, you know, being on the road, living together, you know, and playing, you know, repeatedly, you know, was something that helped to grow from Robin the Hood to the self-titled album. And then, yeah, there's the Paul thing. I remember the last tour. The last tour we were on before we signed the record, we were listening to the Meat Puppets' Too High to Die. And Paul Leary had just produced that album. And it was like, that was like one of the best Meat Puppets albums, you know, sonically, you know, because they had great writings on Meat Puppets 2 and everything. And some of those songs made it to, you know, to there. But the sonic quality. The sonic quality of that album was just insane. And then the Butthole Surfers, Independent Worm Saloon, they had John Paul Jones from Zeppelin produce that album. So we knew that Paul was over there stealing all of JPJ's secrets, right? And so we really wanted to work with Paul because, you know, he's legendary. He's Butthole Surfers and who doesn't want to make a record in Texas with the Butthole Surfer, you know? And so. And so, you know, we're out there at Willie Nelson's studio and, you know, yeah, we're, you know, we just wanted to, you know, impress Paul. What did you go into the studio with? Did you go in with all the songs? No. No. No. A couple songs. Are you fucking serious? We did Santa Rio was Lincoln Highway Dub. That was an instrumental. And Eric wrote the bass line melody part. Yeah. It was just an instrumental song that I wrote. It was the drum machine and that came out on the Robin the Hood. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Brad put lyrics to it and then we slapped that together and that was Santa Rio. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. And so I remember we were flying out there and I was sitting next to Eric on the plane and I'm like, dude, we got, you know, a couple of songs. What the hell are we going to do when we get out there? I don't know. We'll figure it out. You know? And we did, you know, a lot of the songs, you know, Brad borrowed parts from, from, you know, established reggae artists. Half Pint Barrington Levy, Tipa Irie, Pipes and Bread from Wailing Souls. And I didn't know this. I mean, you know, Brad introduced us to reggae. I was, I really didn't even know much about reggae at all. When, when I met Brad, I thought Eric Clapton wrote, I shot the sheriff, you know, so, you know. It's like, I had no idea that he was borrowing other people's already written materials and you know but that was kind of the vibe though back then with hip-hop you know you borrow a part you sample shit you know you riff on it we would hear like dance hall rhythms where they're just playing one rhythm in the background and they got all these different vocalists singing over the top of it we didn't know it wasn't cool to borrow other people's stuff it was from us it was you know we love that song so much that you know what is it flattery is you know or you know ripping people off is the sincerest form of flattery stealing shit out of your fridge dude come on your buddy's girlfriend is the biggest thing you can do to tell him you like him but that was that was one of the unforeseen gifts that we got from brad after he passed you know we got to we got to work with long beach dub all-stars eric and i started dub all-stars after we got to work with barrington levy half pint tippa irie hr you know from bad brains we still you know we still get to jam with hr to this day but you know it was like these guys were pissed they were like you stole our music and you need to take it off the record you know and we're like uh we did really i didn't know it wasn't cool bro you know so it was like okay hey well we'll give you half the publishing on that and pay you a little ouchy fee and hey let us let us record a new song for you how about that you know we're we got to go and record music with these legends that we grew up like idolizing you know it's like fuck who wouldn't want to go and play baseball with you know i'm not a baseball fan too much anymore but yeah you know what i mean yeah yeah you know it's like it's like geez uh you know so we're we're getting to to perform music and you know we took these guys out on the road we went in the studio and played with them so you know it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like you know was there ever a moment this is a morbid question but you guys were all sitting together as a band and you guys are like holy shit did you guys hear uh uh shannon hoon died yeah and you guys are like fuck that's gotta suck and then you're like that's we gotta really is it did you ever have that oh yeah kurt died as courtney did it yeah yeah allegedly yeah was there ever like the moments where you were like you watching these guys watching these bands for lack of better words and i and i i have to say sublime is the only band in my in my experience that has rebounded it's insane i mean one of my favorite bands blind melon i love blind melon i love nirvana everyone had to try to revamp it but i think it's the only band in my experience that has rebounded it's insane i mean one of my favorite bands with what you've done with jacob is like it's eerie i think to a lot of people a lot of fans it's eerie because there is a there is a uh an aura about him that is wildly familiar sounding uh sonically but just energy wise and then you know his his solo band is a little different completely different i have that album um but but i guess my real question is what is that like to have everything and then get a phone call and realize not only you've lost a friend but your career's changed well we were actually like woke up to find that out yeah san francisco sharing a room with him and we had this just uh like sold out show that night and actually the ambulance driver um had tickets for the show yeah it was rough i mean it's like you're on this magic carpet ride you know we're just taking off you know we're getting ready to go do our first european tour and you know the the album was set to be released you know the following month and and i remember coming back from the studio with just like a rough edit and it was like this is the sound that we had been striving for the entire time we finally hit our mark you know this is it we're we're gonna be you know in stadiums and and you know this is this is it you know we finally arrived and so we're on this magic carpet ride and we're taking off we're at 10 000 feet heading to 36 000 feet but somebody ripped the fucking carpet out from underneath us and so it was just a free fall depression you know misery self-loathing you know it felt comfortable to bang my head inside the door you know it was it was horrible you know it's like i woke up that morning and saw him laying there on his bed and and uh you know something i'll never forget and um um i can say that i had never touched heroin or had any of that paraphernalia i mean it was like that was it it was done you know where brad had sent himself to the hospital a few times throughout the years he'd sent some friends to the hospital a few times him and i had some words and fisticuffs over it a couple of times you know um i was his biggest cheerleader trying to help him you know get clean stay clean he finally got clean for the first time in his life on his own you know he had just married troy jacob was almost a year old we finished the album and he was sober for like over a month wasn't it about a month or something like that and and he was really really happy for the first time in in a long time you know because he was struggling with depression and and stuff and and uh you know self-medicating and um um you know a couple of days before before he passed he he came and and was like come on bro let's just go party you know we're going to europe and i was like bro you know think about jake think about troy you know you're clean right now remember you don't remember how fucked you felt when you were strung out and you'll be strung out in a matter of days i know you and you're not going to just do one shot and be good with it you know you're gonna party until it's all gone then you're gonna go get some more and we're gonna be in europe and you're not gonna find it and you're gonna be fucking miserable don't do it you know but it seems like as i hear you say that that seems like the best advice you know like as you say that i go yeah i'm not but nothing makes sense nothing makes sense when you're no i'm dude you're i'm i'm not i have no connection with heroin whatsoever but i understand it with booze yeah where you're like just don't just just don't drink similar demons you know yeah god damn it that's i i don't think i ever realized that you guys were with him when he passed i think the stories you know you just hear he passed you're like oh god fucking makes me so angry it makes me angry because it's got to make you angry in such it's as a fan it makes you angry because you go what else could i have gotten you know like all this i mean just selfishly that's real selfishly you know i mean the first time i saw you guys live was 2017 jacob wasn't with you guys yet and uh and i was like no fucking way and i went and me and leanne we watched dave matthews and you guys and then i was on the on the festival as well and i was like shut the fuck i was i kept this is sounds so fucking crazy but i was with people and we kept saying we're seeing sublime isn't that crazy we were hitting each other people were like we're watching sublime right now and we're fans for fucking 20 years we got the greatest fans in the world i mean they kept it alive for us thank you you know i take that as a compliment because i i know but i'm in that craziest when you're in the when you're when you're in the i i i i think i'm i'm loving myself today i don't know why therapy is working but but thank you because that is a cop i take that as a compliment i'm in that pit i'm in that group of people i'm sitting with them i bought the tickets i want i i went and saw you when the when the when the sun set and everyone's energy shifted and you had to pick what stage to go to i went to you and i was with those people and i like the people i'm standing with i say that about the grateful dead i love when i go see the grateful when i saw the god i'm getting old all my all my bands are dead but but when i saw when i went in mexico when i'm sitting with those people i like who i'm sitting next do it's really important if you if you like an artist and then you go and their show sucks and everyone's fist fighting and everyone's assholes you picked the wrong fucking guy not me man we were fuck i was high-fiving people saying dude we're seeing sublime so fucking badass yeah yeah yeah it's wild i mean it's like we we still are the number one most played songs on k-rock and you know people still call in play that sublime song which one you know right which one is the right now we have three new songs in heavy rotation simultaneously it's crazy and the most catalog songs played in regular rotation too it's it's insane a lot of bands a lot of bands do cruises but very few do cruises where you have a catalog where everyone wants to hear everything you have i mean i want to hear anything before i just i just watched a documentary on uh 40 ounce uh 40 ounce uh malt liquors i don't i'm i'm i'm turning into an old man and i then they did not mention you guys in the they were they only mentioned they weren't mentioning how popular 40 ounces turned into a phrase of of a selling point um and it was because it was cheaper they're 40 ounces of a phrase of a selling point um and it was because it was cheaper they're 40 ounces of a phrase of a selling point um and it was because it was cheaper they're 40 ounces of a phrase of a selling point um and it was because it was cheaper they're 40 ounces of a selling point 40 ounces were like three dollars and you were getting like six four beers yeah get a 40 ounce sort of oldie or something like that but i mean i want to hear stuff from that i want to hear rob rob in the hood i want to hear all your albums and then the new album and the sublime cruise is leaving out of miami i'm doing i think i'm doing the next week i think i'm on the next week i kind of wish is it fucking chaos for me to go let me go on the sublime cruise and then just stay in miami and do my cruise the next week do you guys have i keep you guys have room for a comedian who do you have on your cruise what is your what is it's it's more it's november 15th through 19th out of miami into great strip k bahamas on the jewel the norwegian jewel what who is who's on that cruise with you guys there's a few bands we have uh co-defendants and yellow wolf yeah fuck yeah so now let's i'll get you guys out of here soon but i want to talk about jacob and you guys putting jacob in the band possibly i mean the i would say one of the best decisions ever i mean the kid is so talented he's so familiar he's so it's been really fucking beautiful to see it has been watching from behind has been amazing you know it's it's all been super organic how did that happen um i left the sublime of rome and and um joe escalani's the base player of the vandals and he's also a lawyer and he he managed he also managed like josh free and some other guys and i reached out to him and said that that i want to get out of the sublime of rome thing and uh and next thing you know like he calls me like less than a week later and says hey you want to play with bud and jacob like hell yeah and um yeah and how's that no we played you know cachella pretty much we played one show before that and then cachella and um and it's just gotten better and better yeah we did a benefit show for hr from bad brains he was sick and having some some issues and so um they reached out to me and said we want to jam with with eric and jake and i'm like hell yeah of course why not when when is it you know and then so eric and i were talking and he's like well i i know i can jam with you and you can jam with me we've done this before but we're all going to get along with jake you know musically yeah and so we rented a studio and and uh jumped in there and ran through the songs and you know it was kind of like a new relationship you know you don't know how to kiss you know is it a short tongue is it a long tongue you know is it fast is it slow do i suck you know and all that you know but but uh i mean you know by by the second or third song it was just like flowing and you know there we took a break like like after two or three songs and came out and like you know patted each other on the back kind of you know like hey this feels good this feels right you know let's keep going and and uh went back in and and it just like it just kicked off from that moment and it was just like you know i closed my eyes and i felt brad in the room you know it was like this metaphysical kind of power and spirit and it was just it was driving me and then we played the benefit for hr was this little show in la it was a telegraph theater you know that terragram yeah terragram ballroom and uh and i don't think there was a dry eye in the audience that night you know there was just like this this energy of of healing and you know just it was it was confirmation that we were doing the right thing yeah is it is is there are there little nuances that he has that you go jesus yeah there's little little idiosyncrasies really that he you know the way he does things and stuff and some of the inflections in his voice and just mannerisms and stuff he's he's a lot like his old man it's so it's it's so it's such a because i've seen some i've seen a lot of the i'm old enough now to see the children of the my heroes grow up i i think uh scott wyland's son is is an is an artist and uh and and fucking the lead singer of of um blind melon his daughter i mean my my buddy my buddy's son married fucking kirk cobain's kid oh yeah yeah it's like it's like such a it's so weird as these children who i was in college when their fathers passed are now grown up and doing their own thing and and it's so such a fascinating and is it it do you find when you when you guys came up with the new album what did you find that the writing process was similar was it was it was it a new is it is it how how is that it's a breeze really yeah yeah it really fell together magically and you know a lot of the processes we use the same kind of thing you know we sat there jake would come up come to us with an idea and we would jam it out and then make little tweaks here and there you know eric would throw his his parts in there and kind of you know and then we would you know talk about it let's put this here make this part a little bit longer yeah but when we recorded our stuff back then it was you know in two inch shape so you had to get you know everything down a little less you know a few mistakes now with pro tools i mean you put the whole song together but just you get part by part you know as long as you have a part edits are a lot easier without a razor it's crazy is it weird to have a kid come in and be like do you know what i like and you're like yeah but we influence that do you know what i mean like it's funny people come like young comics will tell me who they're fans of and it's a current comic i go you know he's doing an impression of this guy and they're like huh who's rodney dangerfield i'm like what the fuck are you talking about you know it's got to be interesting to see a young kid come in with his own taste in music and you're like yeah that's great no it's it's i mean it's it's been awesome watching jake flourish and stuff you know we both eric and i had played with them before you know on a one-off you know kind of deal and you know his style is a lot a lot different and you know and hats off to him for you know cutting his own teeth and doing his own thing and not following you know just just falling into it i'm going to do what my dad did you know he was really adamant about doing his own music he liked you know more progressive metal kind of stuff mastodon tool shit like what's the name of his band jacob's castle jason i bought the album i bought the album i look i i'm going to be very candid i heard i was heard an interview he did i think on k-rock maybe i i heard an interview with him and immediately i was like i'll buy the fucking album you kidding me fuck yeah it's like and then i bought it it's great and then uh uh until the sun explodes came out and i was like shut the fuck up that came out when i was in uh right when i moved to uh right when i moved to atlanta i think in june and i was like i was like fuck yeah and then i heard about the cruise and i was like oh this is like everything it's almost like it's a horrible ending it's it's a great ending to a story if that makes sense is that fair to say yeah i think there's there's a lot of resolution in there and closure and and it's a brand new beginning as well yeah too you know i mean it's uh it's crazy i mean the energy level is is still there you know from the fans the energy level is in the recording i mean it's it's like it didn't skip a beat it's like wait a minute i'm i'm uh rip van winkle here passed out underneath the tree and here's our you know fourth album you know did you ever think years later i know did you ever think that you'd get this this ending i mean it's it's a like and by the way and i have to say this because i'm 53 and i feel like i just started like you still have fucking 30 years of touring like you i mean i mean you like we're we're still kids don't everyone can suck our dicks we're fucking children at this oh yeah mick jagger's still dancing still there you you know i mean it's like it's like it's almost like you just you just took you just took a break from roller skating and you just you just had a snack and you're like getting back out there it's wild i know pull up the name pull up the names on the cruise because my i'm using the exact same boat the next weekend so if you're going on this cruise leave drugs leave the leave hide them for us hide them and then put that those the places you hide them on social media i'm being dead fucking serious listen you're going to go on this cruise the sublime reefer madness cruise november 15th and 19th out of miami you're going to bring too many drugs you're not going to want to get caught going back through customs with those drugs hide them on a boat hide them on the boat and then tag me and tag fully loaded at sea okay and then put a video of where you hid them and then we will find them and then who's doing the cruise the week after us we will leave drugs this is probably the worst thing to say ever so we've got uh g love the altons honest of long beach sub all-stars cisco cisco adler i know cisco adler holy shit kings and the elevators it's gonna be sick this is gonna be fucking awesome is this is this the first cruise you guys have done yeah are you ready for it it's fucking yeah i don't know so funny story um i was on a date with my gals our first date and we're in st louis in a hotel room and we're just shooting the shit just talking and she's like you know what you guys ought to do you guys ought to do a cruise and i mean she didn't even get the whole word cruise out of her mouth and i shut her straight down it's like you know what you guys ought to do you guys ought to do a cruise and i mean she didn't even get the no we'll leave that for the cover bands dude it's my favorite thing in the world it is my favorite thing in the world i love that energy here's the deal i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you something a fan told me one time and i hope you hear it the way i heard it because it's my favorite thing i've ever heard so i was doing a meet and greet after a show around new year's eve and i was i was still doing comedy clubs i was selling well but i was still doing comedy clubs and i was selling merch to give perspective i was selling my own merch to put perspective on where i was and this kid had his shirt off i performed shirtless by the way shout out to brad i performed shirtless um i uh and we both had peak male bodies yes and uh and uh and this kid said i will give me two seconds of your time i want to tell you i'm a fan of yours and the security tried to move him because he was that kind of guy he didn't seem like someone that anyone would stop for he wasn't a large guy a little smaller frame and he was by himself and i said well let me hear him out and he said i'm a fan of yours he goes you don't think i don't think you understand what that means he looked at me he said i don't have much going on in my life but i picked you and you're winning so when i watch you win i feel like i won because i picked the right guy he goes i haven't done that with a chick and i haven't done that with a job but i did that with you he goes i liked your comedy and people seem to like it too and then i get around these guys and we all like you so every time you win man i feel like i win now i became a fan of yours in the back of that fucking truck in philadelphia with my cousin abe and when you guys had lows i felt those lows in la guardia airport i remember where i was sitting where i was reading that rolling stone article or spin magazine whatever the fuck it was and i remember getting really sad and thinking about jake as a child thinking about louis dog thinking about his wife troy and i was like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna think about you guys i thought about you guys and my heart sank and i would think about you guys every time i'd listen to the band and when i saw you guys bring in jake back in and i found out you're on my podcast and i see the stuff that your new album and the cruise the things i feel like the team i picked is back in the fucking playoffs i feel like the team i picked is going to the fucking super bowl because i've been a fan since day fucking one and it's it makes me so happy edit this part out i don't want to get fucking emotional it makes so it makes me so happy to see you guys fucking killing it it makes me so happy because my team's winning i picked the right fucking team that's what a fan is and that's what's beautiful about these fucking cruises is all those people just like me that picked you fucking 30 years ago they picked you they get to see you fucking win they get to celebrate brad's life and your life and the struggles and the battles you've had and that's what's great about these cruises is you get to say thank you to them because they they've been waiting for this for 30 fucking years oh yeah i'm just saying that as a fan and i hope you have a blast on this fucking cruise and i'm so jealous i can't go i can't i would wake up and have a margarita every fucking morning i would smoke those hidden joints that people are hiding all over that goddamn bus all over that boat whatever the fuck it is the boat i'm so happy to have you guys thank you so much you so much for doing this i'll give you some drugs yeah please please please please i think we'll be staying in the same room so hide them in that room really well i will be in that room too and uh congratulations on the new album congratulations the new album is available right now until the sun explodes congratulations on the cruise if you i don't know there i will always say this there's always cabins available people always sign up and then back out at the last minute there's always cabins available so if you're just hearing this going well you're going to have a good time and you're going to have a good time and you're going to have a good time fuck i want to go on the sublime cruise you can uh i'm going to smoke a brisket too i'm doing briskets i'm doing like a little chef's kind of thing and show you guys some secrets on how i do fucking talking about we got some pork on there oh very very uh haram dude i just saw brisket breakfast sandwich on netflix this morning that i've been i've been thinking about jerking off too it's so sexy it's in philadelphia and when i'm in philadelphia i'm going to get this brisket sandwich i'm going to get this brisket sandwich i'm going to get this brisket sandwich i'm going to get this brisket sandwich i'm going to get this brisket sandwich but i don't smoke weed anymore i only smoke my meat mom's mom always said it's okay to let the pot roast but don't ever let your meatloaf this has been a dream come true thank you so much for doing this i genuinely appreciate it guys like i said where can they get the tickets for the cruise just in case anyone wants uh sublime.com it's sublime cruise sublime cruise.com there's always available cabins and see them on tour if they're on tour get their album until the sun explodes available everywhere right now gentlemen thank you so much for everything have fun it was a great podcast yeah yeah it was this episode was brought to you by the machine shack here what's it like to buy a car from carvana 100 online and get it delivered to your door let me tell you your car is here mr shack thank you mr carvana guy can't wait to take it for a spin only the best for you mr 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