# 724 - Good Charlotte On Being Regular Guy Rockstars

I would hear boys, boys guys that say things and casually that I was like, I know I'm supposed to feel that way, but I don't feel that way. Like someone's like, you know, I'm dating your ex. He's like, dude, I have sex with it. I don't care. I don't care. I'm devastating. What world are we? Sex with someone else. I want to say, I'd like to say I'm a podcast purist in that I don't look at numbers. I don't look at, I mean, I pay attention to what? I pay attention to what, you know, ad sales are. Yeah. That's the only thing I really look at. Uh-huh. They've always stayed the same. So I never really mess with it. Like, I don't, I don't take a look at, I don't either, I don't care if someone thinks a guest is hot, doesn't bother me. We got, we got an offer to have a, I got a call about a very big politician one time and I turned it to, I got a couple calls and I turned him down, not, not that I have any slight towards my friends that did it. Yeah. But it just, it's so isn't me. We stay away from politics. I feel the same way. I stay far away from politics. I don't really do religion unless it organically comes up. Um, I don't see any like, that's fucking fascinating because it was a huge part of your lives. Yes. Growing up. That's fascinating that you, that, that you would, you would have a hot take on it. I have a very hot take. But also like, not everybody's standing here, but you have to, do you like that? I was, I was like, when you, when you bring up, I was talking, this is a sign, I was talking my time. We're gonna have a fun time when I was in a car with this woman that was my producer and I was complaining that Leanne would let me have eight old sex with her and it was me and the two camera guys in the back and we're just like, yes, you won't let me have eight old sex with her and the producer goes, maybe she had it so much in college, she's just done with it. Okay. And I was like, whoa, whoa. She was like, I want to do an XC face. Yeah. But yeah. I'm talking about politics. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about politics. Let's talk about something new and fresh politics. Yeah. It just, it, it, I don't even, I never talk about it on stage. What good comes from it? Dun dun. Zero. Actually I'm super uninformed. Also like what good is my uninformed ass gonna do for your life, for you to hear my opinion on the, the topic of the day that I got from some any which lens it was put through. Can I, can I tell you the truth of that statement is when I look at you guys, I, the, what, the thing I want to talk of the most about is silver chair. Yeah. I'm fascinated by that fucking band. Silver chair. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fascinated by that band. And I know you guys, you guys kind of dug up on all, yeah, and I'm blown away by that band. And then I go, so why would you ever bring, why would I ever say, so what do you guys think about? Madani. I don't know. What do I think about it? I just found out he was Muslim. Yeah. Well, I don't live in New York. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But wait, silver chair. And what's amazing about silver chair is there were, they're, we're the same age. He, I, they came out, they were like 15 when they came out. So we came out about six years later, like we are first record came out about six years after their first record. And they were one of our hero and they were like our age when they were doing it. We were like, we can do it. Thank you. I remember the first tour they did in the US. I think, I think it was with the red hot chili peppers. And I remember all these kids come into school wearing red hot chili pepper shirts and one kid was wearing a silver chair shirt. And I was like, they were like, they opened and I was like, oh, I didn't know. And not that we could have gone. We wouldn't have been able to go. But I was blown away just that, like, it was possible. Yeah. Is there a age that the idea that it's possible is, I listened, I listened to your podcast a bunch, and I listened to the one you guys did together and the one you guys did together is fascinating. It's when I found out you guys were twins. Yeah. Amazing. Adult twins. Adult male. I, I only do podcasts with people that I want to watch on podcasts. Yeah. Cause so like if I, and like, and you're, you're in my algorithm, nonstop. Oh, really? Nonstop. Well, I'm into music. I like music. Yeah. I just, with my buddy Tom, I just decided I'm going to start deleting artists that I don't think would like me. You know what's crazy is I just thought, I just thought to myself, I never thought that I have. How many of you met? How many of you met that didn't like you? How many of you like, how many artists did you grow up with you that you're like, Hey man, I'm in a band. Good Charlotte. And they're like, cool. Hey. And then you're like, dude, fuck off. Yeah. Like, we're doing the same side venues. Why, where's your attitude coming from? Like, you know, and so on, fucks with you or they don't. Yeah. You just feel it. Like, this guy does not fuck well. Like, when we met, this immediately fuck with you. And now, so he told me, you know, one dude in a billionaire room, covered in tats. I went fucking. I, by the way, can I tell you right away? I knew you were Benji and not Joel and I did not know you were identical twins. How did you know I was Benji? I have no fucking clue. I have no feeling clue. I knew who your wife was, as opposed, and I knew who your wife was. I thought you, I was like, Oh, that's Camen Diaz's husband. It's Benji Madden. I know him. I was like, and I know your wife too, but I didn't, but then when you walked up, I was like, what's up, dude? And I said, not immediately. You never thought, Joel, you're so in my algorithm right now. I knew it was you. That's so, and I found out today, you guys are identical twins. I immediately felt more comfortable when I went to talk to you. I'm a little bit nervous in those rooms, not nervous, but like, I kind of feel, what am I doing here? What am I? Yeah. Why am I doing here? Did they really want me here? Why did they invite me? I feel weird here. And you're like, oh, maybe they want me here and then you meet someone and you're like, actually, okay. And then you end up having a good time. Well, you guys, you guys have to have had that your entire fucking lives. Yeah. I mean, you're two of the most, they do not make more regular Americans than you. I mean, honestly, Maryland, like no one comes from Maryland, right? Maryland. Maryland. Well, there's a down there on the water. Maryland. Sugar Ray. Lenders from Maryland. Yeah. All right. Edward Norton was born in Maryland at Graham Pope at Graham Pope, the fucking swimmer Michael Phelps. Michael Phelps from Maryland. That's right. I only know this side of show Maryland. And I was doing shout outs to all the famous Maryland people and all I got to is Travis Pastrana. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Motor cross. Yeah. He comes with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He fucks with me. Yeah. Like they do. They, I find that to be a through resounding like it's a resounding like you're happy to see somebody because it's a small place. You're not raised there to think you could be an entertainment. That's not a part of the culture. It's actually a little bit like something we had to reconcile with because it feels a little, it just feels like a little bit like you're just playing dress up like you come to Hollywood. You're an entertainer. You know, like, so I'm a yeah, like it doesn't feel like it's a little bit feminine in a way. Yeah. It's not a big collar job. It's yeah. And I think, I think that was something we had to, we had, we, I think when we were younger, like I never called myself an artist for ever. I'm not an artist. I'm not an artist. What's that? Fucking artist. You know, because my dad was a butcher. Yeah. Yeah. Like literally worked in a slaughterhouse. He painted houses on the. He painted houses on the weekends worked, worked really hard, you know, there was, we played our alumni. We played our alumni baseball game when we were seniors in high school. And you know, he have like one friend growing up, he's just so funny, never is going to account him out to anything, but just so dry and funny and we're never stood a chance. Never stood a fucking chance. He's in rehab now. He's been in and out. They call our names out and they're like, you know, all the seniors in alumni game. They're like, let's bring out alumni from Jesuit high school. He's a postman and all the jobs were postman butcher, firefighter, cop, cop. Yeah, cop. He has a restaurant. He sells produce. And he goes, where are we going to cop it? These are our jobs. This is our future. And I was like, oh, fuck, man. I think we're working class. But it's a fucking tough way to find out when you like, but I don't, I know one in Florida. I had buddies. I just did a show in Atlanta. I buddies come out. And my buddy goes, I hope you don't take this as an insult. You haven't changed at all. And I was like, cool. And he goes, nah, like not at all. He was like, I thought you'd be a little different. Man, you haven't changed at all. And I was like, I think that's good. But like, it's hard when you come from a place where regular people are from. It's hard to shake it. For me, I just feel more at home with hanging out with a firefighter. My brother-in-law is a firefighter, hanging out with like, so. Obviously, I'm 47. I've gotten comfortable out here. I can navigate. a gate, no problem. But it still lives in me that there's something, there's something that just keeps telling me like, that's not a real, you're not doing a real job. You're not really working. Yeah. It's not real money. It doesn't feel real. You never see it. That's the most I've seen. I never see. You never see it. It's kind of crazy. You never see it. I mean, you know, keep it a little cash on you. But I think that it's a real, and I think when we were younger because we did want to be cool, we wanted people to like us. And yeah, there's definitely, you come out into the world. I mean, we didn't leave, so we didn't fly on a plane until we had a record deal. So how old is that 19, 19? When they said, so when when we started getting courted, we kept the barf bets. No, apologies, we flew out to California when we were 19 before we had even, because we went to our aunts house. That was our first flight. The next time we flew was when labels were interested in this six, but that was when it was all starting to go on, right? So, so going, so going out of, I think it was, I don't know exactly if it's somewhere between eight and 10,000 people in our town. So going from that town never leaving, never having a passport, never being on a plane to our first trip. Remember, when we first went to New York, we had everything we owned in our trunk. It got stolen. We went back to the car. It was empty. It was like, we cried. We're like, like, not like instruments and stuff. We had, I had my acoustic guitar with me, but all of our stuff, our clothes, everything we had, because we were in between. But everything we owned, we could carry. We were in between places at the time. Yeah. And our, my guitar amp and everything was at Billy's house. We'd Billy, hang on, hang on. I want to say this. Billy Martin. Billy Martin. Billy Martin. So Billy Martin was in a band. Wait, how do I, oh, because one of my favorite baseball players was Billy Martin. Okay. So our Billy Martin. Yeah, you're Billy Martin. So we've been together for 30 years. Our band. So that was going out into the world, but he just had a lot to learn. I mean, I would say we were like, we were almost like little kids all the way until we were probably, like in our 20s. And we had learned some life lessons, some the hard way, some, you know, like, we were very green. So we go out into the world and we immediately just have to start learning. So we start hanging out, you know, I think probably getting tattoos any chance we could get. How does that work his twins? Do you guys go, this would look good on us? And you're like, wait, I'm getting that. Yeah, we did have that. Yeah, a little couple of times. Actually, my back piece, which I won't show you today, but is was a tattoo he wanted to get. And then he was not there. And I, the, the, our friend was tattooing. And I was like, can you do this on my back? Because he was going to get it like this, like, I don't know, somewhere. And I was like, can you make this, can you do my whole back with this on it? It's almost a joke, but almost like, I don't know, to be funny. And he outlined it in like eight hours. And for by the time he got back home and I was excited to get tattooed. And I was like, look, so yeah, to be, to be young. But, um, but yeah, so, you know, I think actually early on, we did want to be cool, you know, because you're going out into the world and everybody's so cool. Yeah. And I think that, um, that was as we got older, we just realized we were just actually that we're talking about the, the working class thing and coming from a very normal place. Now I think we find a lot of comfort in it. I think when we were young, maybe we realized more people are like that than cool. Like, for me, like what I thought a rock star supposed to be was what I wanted to be. And then when I got there, finally, what I realized what my wife likes about me is that I'm normal normal. Yeah. And then I realized I relate more to more people than this small group over here. Do you realize that you guys kind of gave them street cred? Like, they were both like this. Like, they were in the, they will now, they were, they were in the ether. They will now. I mean, it's like for anyone doesn't, who doesn't know, and I think this is absolutely fascinating. You're married to Cameron Diaz and you're married to Nicole Richie. Yeah. The, the both of them were in, and for, for the last 30 years, I'm guessing, yeah, have been beyond celebrity in a place that's a little bit past celebrity. And then when they married you to regular fucking guys, just normal days, very regular guys. I mean, granted your rock stars, great. Obviously, you're autistic, you're sensitive, you can see things visually a great businesses, you guys are, you guys are innovative. There's a bunch that goes along with that, but you're from fucking Maryland. Like, there's like, you're like, like, do I think anyone listening to this should go, this gives me hope. Yes. I can get the bad bitch. If you trust me, if I could grow up and find success and get married and have the life that I have, which I feel like incredibly grateful for, anybody could do it. I would not have bet on me. We talk about it all the time. I would have bet on my work. I think I would have bet on my hope, my optimism, but if you put it all the information on the table at us at 18, you know, to say, those people, we had, we didn't have like elite talent, right? Like, it's not like we're like, we had enough talent to try hard, but like, I think we both were relentless. I'm just like, we've got to do something. No, you guys hang on. Don't understand yourself. I'm a good at a couple of things. I'm pretty good to comedy. I think I, I would quietly, I'd say that to anyone. I'd be like, I think I'm really good, but like we wouldn't say that out loud. You're very good. You're very good. But thank you. I'm not, I'm saying with acting, all the stuff that makes money, what I'm really good at is really good at. I think you guys are is giving people a feeling. Like you guys can give a feeling to someone. You can translate this to someone else, which a lot of people can't. A lot of people that, man, I said to someone the other day, I was watching their special and I called Tom and I was like, I don't get, it's funny. Like I'm doing the math and it's funny, but I'm not laughing. And Tom's like, well, yeah, it's not, like jazz, like there's, there's a certain thing about jazz where it connects with you and the energy connects with you. These days, you can order just about anything online. Need groceries, done. Need a ride. Easy. Need someone to bring you tacos 11, 30 at night because you made some questionable life choices. Also very possible. So why aren't people still driving to random smoke shops? In 2026, there is a better way. That's why I use everything for 20 and I can tell you exactly how I use everything for 20. Here's a great thing. 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I'm sure you've seen people write music that you're like, no, it's very complex and it's very good, but you don't have the thing to stand on the stage, man. I'm so sorry. As a matter of fact, I think I heard you say that in an interview. You've pulled people aside and said, you should be a producer. Yeah, yeah. You just spent five years. Yeah. That's like, you could probably see a comedian on stage and go, he's a great writer. He doesn't deliver. He doesn't have that stage presence. There's something about being on stage. The same way you could hear someone singing go, their voice doesn't hit, but they have a great ability to come up with a great melody or lyrics or, yeah, I mean, I don't feel like we feel the need to be the ones to tell people their dream is wrong. But like I definitely try to never do that. Yeah, but like at the same time, you just know when you feel I do think that there's something to that simplicity of just relating to people that like, like I was saying, going back to what you guys were talking about, I do think that where we sort of rejected it when we're younger because we came from a very normal place and very, you know, to when we got older, we really appreciated it. And now I really appreciate that like we compare what we do to what we could be doing and it keeps us working hard because we always go ahead. We could be moving like bricks, like literally we could be, I would do that. Or no problem, you know, like working. I don't have a problem with it. I don't look down on it. I don't have any, if I had to do anything else, I would do it. But we always say it makes us invincible. That's the thing is I don't need to go on stage. I don't have like a dying need to go on stage. I don't fucking care. I'll go and people show up. I'll go. If people everyone said stop, we're not coming anymore, I would, I would be okay. I'd be like, okay, that was cool. That was a good job. We had a good 30 year run. Do you know what I mean? Like, that is the biggest gift you can be given as an artist. I appreciate it. And that is like, no, to be able to walk away from it, I don't die for it though. Like I, I love it. I appreciate the opportunity I go on and I give 110%. The same way I would if I worked a job. But if life said you have to stop, I would be like, okay, I don't feel like this dying need to do this, I try really hard because it's what you should do. And I feel blessed and all that. I'm not like, it's hard to explain because I don't throw it away at all. I cherish the opportunity and I want to make the most of it. And I want to do all of what I'm supposed to do. But when I'm there doing it, I'm like, isn't this fucking great? No, I'm just happy. It feels like the show is going good. They all look happy. I'm going to try my best and I'm like happy. I feel satisfied. But I don't, I don't know, I don't get the same like, maybe what people say, like, isn't it such a high? I'm like, when the show goes well, I'm really happy. That's how I feel. I've always been happy in third place. Yeah. You know, like, like, if you're not in first place, no one's coming for you. If you're not in second place, you're not wishing you were in third place, first place. But third place is great because it just made it because like, it also, you develop other aspects of your life. I don't want to just be good at one thing and that's the, I'm elite. That's the one thing I do. But I don't know how to like change my kids diapers or like, do stuff that like I had to give everything up for to be the most greatest of all time best first place winner of everything. I think, I think third place is pretty sweet and all that attention, man, that's stressful. You still let the podium like, like, you still get a little bit of, they're like, yeah, you get a little sniff. Yeah. You got a little whip of it. You know? Yeah. So I, I don't know, like, it's interesting because like, I don't think we're the greatest. I think we're good band. Like, we're good band. Like, I really, I back it, I back it's a good evening and it's a good show. But that's the thing is, like, if you come to our show, it's a great show. It's good. It's solid. You can't think of anything else in your life, it's not religious. You have to see them. No, you will have a good time. I promise you. We, like, and the people that, like, love our band, whatever, they're the best. I want to give everything I can to, but I don't know. It's just not like God to me. Yeah. Like this thing, like, if we could just make it to the top, you're just kind of like, I don't know. I just think we're doing pretty good here. Let's just keep chopping wood. So I think just, I just don't think we're changing the world, or, yeah, I think we're hopefully giving people a great night out with their friends. That's it. That's all you can, that's all you can ask for. I think, I think that, you know, I, I was listening to something, Jack Osborne, I think they sold Ozzy Osborne's rights to his AI and perpetuity to accompany him, assuming it's authentic brands group, but, uh, and Ozzy Osborne, it, it, it, it's, it, it's meant a lot because I, I, I was, I'm obsessed with the passing of, of a person. And Ozzy Osborne, before he died, said, do you think they're going to remember me, which is such a wild statement. Number one, when you talk about insecurities, because you realize, Ozzy must have been insecure. I'm sure that's how we got Ozzy Osborne. There has to be an insecurity to create that. But the, the idea that he would think that he wouldn't be remembered, that he would think it out of all the people that have done music, Ozzy Osborne, probably going down in the list of people you will remember. Absolutely. He thought it, and then I thought, I've never questioned the fact that I'll be forgotten. I know I'll be forgotten. I have to be forgotten. You want to be remembered? I, I think I did until I heard, until I heard, uh, the guy was a JC Penny. You guys started JC Penny. You remember JC Penny? Oh, yeah. It's JC Penny wish book. The wish book. Yeah. Every Christmas. Yeah, JC Penny, uh, had a statement that he said, is you die with nothing. You own nothing. And that's when I, it kind of sucked, sucked with me. I was like, so I don't, I don't know my watches, like they just kind of own me. And then I was like, well, what am I doing here? And then I started thinking, what am I, what am I hustling for? Like, am I, am I trying, am I on this great race to be remembered? And, and if that's the race, then am I losing the point of why I'm here? Cause I'm only here for the moment. I own nothing. I take nothing with me. I'm just the collection of the memories I have and then I'm gone and no one remembers me. So what am I, what am I doing? And I kind of took a breath and I looked at Leanne this weekend and I said, should I retire? She was like, she got really excited. She was like, wouldn't you want to travel the world? Don't you want to go see the girls all the time? Don't you want to just fucking, she was like, and then she got excited. She was like, we should get an apartment in five cities, Hawaii, Nashville, like started naming cities. And I was like, wait, what did I just start? And then I thought, and when I hear you say that, like, if it all went away, that is the curse that an artist gets with when you're holding on to it, tooth and nail. And you're like, am I still relevant? Am I still famous? Yeah. Am I still, I'm not going to be where, but where's my name on the bill? So it's the deep like crack and like hole in you that you can't, you can't, nothing can fill. You know, it's like, it's like the self esteem thing. It's like, it's crazy because when you start to like actually not need that, everything gets really simple. You start everything and everything gets easier. I always, because I don't think you would stop because you'd be bored, but what you are asking is you're asking, you're just like, what do I care about? Which is a good question. And you're going to family, which is the right answer. So for me, I hope I'm remembered in like a way by my kids. That's it. Like my kids go mad, my dad, or the people that I actually knew. I don't care what any stranger, all I want is to leave a good impression on someone I passed on the street because I was, I had good manners. Like I care about that. Whatever reason they're like so stuck in me, did I have good manners, did I say please and thank you? Did I hold the door for that person? Did it? Like that is like weirdly like a, that's a new neurotic thing about me. But that's it. I don't give a fuck if they go, his band did this or did that. I really, truly would be ashamed if my kids were like, that's it. That's my, to me, that's what I think about when you, yes, that question. I go, man, I hope, I hope they would be like, yeah, my dad was awesome. And that's it. And then, you know, the people that your friends and the people that you, you're actually around your community of people, whatever, whoever that is, people you work with, people you interact with, to some degree on some level, not ever. Well, what are we doing it for? I mean, your wife nailed it, but your wife nailed it, right? You work to make a living so that you can get five apartments around the world and go and have crazy experiences that are just filled with family, being with your family. Like that's what it's all, like I always, I always say to like, to my wife, like, we actually do feel like we're literally just doing stuff that sounds interesting and we are doing it together. We all stay together. And we are. or it's all just about like I just think our kids don't want us to leave them a million dollars. They just want to be themselves. They don't want the pressure of like, what does it mean if so, dad, mom, if you do that, what does that mean I gotta do? - But I look at your success, you're from Florida? - Yeah. - Okay, this guy from Florida, a Florida man, right? - He got to see behind the curtain, what did he see? Right, that's how I feel. I'm like a guy from Maryland, I got to see behind the curtain. There's nothing, bullshit. - It's bullshit. - It's nothing. There's no secret society, there's no other thing. Trust me, there's nothing. It's just a bunch of people with their own little camps that have hired friends and they're blah blah. Now that's one version and then there's a bunch of actually like people who have done therapy and gotten well and like figured out how to live really well and like, there's actually some people who have some figured some stuff out and you can go like, I kinda like that one thing he's doing there. I don't like any of that and you start to go like, I can actually grow here but I'm telling anyone as it's interested in seeing behind the big curtain of Hollywood and success and money and whatever you want to call it power, it's all nothing. There's nothing. - Well you get a lot, I had a dream about one of them of a celebrity that's just so broken, so broken. But when you're like, and I just say, I think we all came up similar, meaning, I don't think any of this was meant for us. Like this was not, this was meant. - Wouldn't have been on, wouldn't have been on any of us. - I would have not. - I would have never have been on two. - Let us all the board with all the other horses and you would be like, no, not bad. - If you would have met all of us in 1991, you would have been like, - Those kids with ball cuts, yeah, no. - But and then you meet like a celebrity that you're like, that you've known of your whole life and you're like, wait, how are you so normal? - Yeah. - And you're sitting next to him on a plane, staring at him. And you're like, huh, you're not eating pills, you're not drinking, you're just flying to a gig a day early so you can see someone else you want to see and you have a happy marriage, what the fuck? - Yeah, what's going on there? - Richard Marks. - Yeah. - He was on, I was on a plane with him and I was like, I'm panicking. - He was on my podcast. - You know, I really thought I was gonna name someone when you were like, how do you know Richard Marks? - No, he was on my podcast, he's that guy. - He's the most normal, gazillionaire, traveling musician with a grand, happy. - Yeah, and like looks fantastic. And like, no, literally the guy's just being healthy and taking care of himself and staying married and doing his job, right? - I was taking pictures of him going, I gotta test like this. - Yeah. - I was like, I gotta change my fucking lifestyle. I'm panicking, I still have a hard time flying. And I'm like, I'm very worried about a death. It's death, it's death, it's always death. Do you smoke weed? - Not really 'cause I find it just makes me go to sleep or makes me paranoid. - That's why I like Benadryl. - Yeah. - It's like a Benadryl. It's like I'm bit by a spider and it makes you tired. - Oh, yeah. And I was like, I could get into that. - Wait, today? - No, this weekend, I got bit by a spider. - Yeah, that's it. That's a real little-- - Yeah, and I was like, and it was going crazy and then Liam was like in the airport. She goes, take a Benadryl and I'm such a tea toddler. Like, if I'm not drinking and I'm not smoking weed and if I'm not doing any of that, then I won't really take like, I try to stay away from night well, although I'll take it sometimes when I'm feeling sick. - I do that sometimes. - And then she was like, take a Benadryl and I was like, I'm fine. She was like, you have a spider bite and I was like, I'm fine. Then took a Benadryl and I passed out on the plane and I was like, I might have found a cure. - Benadryl is a miracle drug. I carry it with me just 'cause I don't know why I have anxiety around allergic reactions, even though I don't have them. - Yes. - I carry it with me just because-- - I'm always, that's the number one thing that happens to me is I think I get allergic. By the way, you're like-- - How come Benadryl doesn't sponsor our podcast? - It should. - Like literally, can you imagine you're gonna read for Benadryl? - I only have one sponsor on my show. - You guys should do a Benadryl commercial. Hey, we should. - Hey, you know what? - I'm not anxious about anything. - We could do a Benadryl commercial. - We could. 'Cause I carry it. - How do you use my pocket? - He gets anxious. - I got all the anxiety. It's like some PTSD thing, childhood. - For real? - Yeah. - And you didn't catch it? - No, I mean, I think when I was younger, it came out more in the form of anger issues, but that stopped in my 20s. Once I hit 30, I made a decision. - I think that would be a great sketch. All I've been doing is writing sketches. I wanna pitch you guys to shoot. I wanted to promote your tour, I was like, I wanna do a sketch called "Lose the Drummer" where you guys are like, hey, it's Gisarlat and we're back and we got a new drummer and you got an agent there and it's me. And the guys are like, guys, you're still crushing it, but lose the drummer. And you're like, he's fun to be around. And he just, I'm a horrible drummer. But I am fun to be around and I'm complimenting you. - Well, do you know one of our little secrets? - You have the spirit of the band. - But Joel, don't you say, wouldn't you say one of our little secret moon lighting sort of like dreams would be a sketch comedy? Oh, absolutely. - Oh, you should do a sketch about why one of you has an anxiety and one doesn't. And it's just two small boys in a room. And they're like, Benji, can I talk to you for a second and you walk out of the room and then a clown falls out of the fucking closet. Ha, ha, ha, ha, you're gonna get allergies! - He's and then jumps out and then Benji walks in and goes, oh, what happened? And you're just shaking, nothing, nothing, nothing. - Well, wait, that's crazy to have like a doppelganger that doesn't have the same things you got. It is weird. Like none of them, I got all the anxiety. I got all of it, he got none of it. - What was the first, like how, I had a moment, I'll explain my moment, hoping it triggers the moment for you. I had a moment in when I did my first theater ever. I hadn't been doing clubs, I've been doing wall clubs, then I did a theater and I sold it out and I was standing behind stage at the Wilbur Theater. It was a very big accomplishment when I did a 2017 January, I remember it. And I was standing behind where there are heaters, water heaters against the back wall and I was warming myself up by the water heaters and I had a sense of accomplishment and I went to go high five someone and realized it was only me. And I was like, oh, I guess you did this all by yourself, bud. And I was like, oh, that sucks. I would love to be in a band right now and to be like, can you, this is fucking unreal. Like we did this, like we're doing this. What was it like for you guys? What were those accomplishment moments like where you're like, like everyone leaves the room and it's just you two and you're like, dude, I think this might be good. - I mean, we have them, we've had them the entire time. The first time we ever started, like, well, we didn't even call it songwriting. We said, let's make up our own, you know? And that we both looked at each other and said, I think we're going to be big. - Really? - Yeah, we shook hands. We said, never let money come between us. Everything's 50, 50. - Yep. - Now, how does that work? - We stuck to it. - No, but how does that work? Like when someone comes to you and goes, hey, I want to do clothing. I want to do this. - We do everything together. - Everything be other. - And it's just more fun. And we just, we're part, we genuinely survived together. So it's a true, it really is a partnership, you know? And we're really lucky 'cause-- - Oh, me and you talked about this. - Yeah, we do everything together. We do everything together. And, you know, our families are really close. It's just known, you know? It's like, and it's, I think it's, it's the best possible way to do life. Like, you can never break up. Like, nobody could come between us and nobody. Nobody could ever shake us. Like, and that, I just think it makes, like I was saying this earlier about the, you know, having the ability to say, I can get a job. So what can you do to me? What can I lose? I, of course, I appreciate this opportunity. But not at the expense of my, my, my, - I'm in a big, you for it. - Like, I don't have a price, though. We agree on some business or whatever, but like, there's nothing that we're just like, oh, if we could just do that, I'd give up everything. It's like, no. - There's nothing, you know? - Like, and then big, but we're all lucky enough to have been, you know, around the block now in this. But like, having been together, it's a, it's a, I think it's like really primal. It's like, back in the beginning of time, people would die alone. We were lucky, we were born with somebody. We, 1,000%, I do not think we would be successful on our own. - I don't think so. - I think the two of us are a team. And like I said, I'm not downplaying anything we do. It's just, we've been able to make a lot out of, out of a little, you know? Like, we've been able to make a lot out of, we've always said that, like, do what we can with what we got. And we just keep doing that. - And then, and you know what happens in the phase where everyone goes through this. You know this, culture changes, the things come and go, things wave, and as somebody that's in the, you know, in any form of entertainment or making art or whatever, there's gonna be times when there's momentum and you're, everything's happening and there's gonna be times when you try, you're trying to get someone to listen to an idea and they won't even listen. And everyone experiences that, I think, multiple times. And we've been really able to just not, not be too shook by anything because we're always together and we always say, hey, we'll make the best out of what we got in this scenario. It's like, also, I think we've always been guardrails for each other. So I think if one of us had had a little bit of success, Thank you. maybe too far over the edge. But we always sort of, we always sort of kept each other to, you know, our constitutions in check, you know. And so I think that I definitely feel like I have no idea where I would be if we weren't together. If we didn't do this whole thing. But I also think like we don't measure. So I don't even know if we know, if we're, I don't think we look at our lives as what we've accomplished. Yeah, I kind of feels like day one always, always. I think when you have a family member, I think it's, I think I'm all I'm thinking is how lucky you are because it's kind of like, it's kind of like, you have someone to keep you in check. Somebody to keep you honest. I'm not that, and like I got lucky in my wife, like my wife is very real, almost painfully real. Like almost to a detriment real. Like almost like I can't wait for my second wife who's not real, who gets impressed on a private jet as opposed to this one. It's like, how much is caused? How come we don't spend, why don't we just bring our own pro seco? And so, yeah, she, but like, but like, no, she is like really grounding. Like, I remember one time I got to get the girls on the field at the Braves game. This was like probably, must have been 15 years ago, 20 years ago. It was like a gift. It was like some, I had new a friend who worked on the Braves, and I was on travel channel. And they let us on the field at the end for the girls to run the bases. And I remember Liam was like, we got to tell them they, this ain't life, this ain't real life. Like, that kids don't get to run the bases over it at Fulton County Field. This ain't real life. And I was like, yeah, I guess you're right. It's like, because I think I'm the kind of person that goes, well, looks like we're in the big leagues, don't kids? Like, like, I have that ability to think, well, there's the new norm. We made it. I'm fucking driving Mercedes. And my wife's like, no, they say, like, I remember one time I, I got fired from travel channel. I got fired from everything. I didn't have any money coming in. And I said to her, what if we can't afford our house? And she goes, well, then we can't afford to live anywhere. And what do you mean? She goes, I didn't set us up. To have an expensive house, we have the smallest payment you can pay on the house. We can't afford, we're going to have to move back to your parents house. And I was like, oh, fuck. But I live in the clouds a little bit. I don't live grounded. And when I think when you have someone who's next to you the whole time going like, like you come back from your first fucking time meeting your wife's family. And he's like, do you meet Lionel Richie? And you got to be like, holy shit, that's crazy. We give each other context. Yeah, I, we always have, but also like, I think we, neither one of us, if I'm being really honest, has ever said, like, that's crazy. Really? Just like, he's like, how was it? And I was like, he was cool. I think he likes me. And he's like, good, good. Like, I was more, I was actually just nervous. What? Of course, you're nervous. But you know how we are for each other? I'm I'm like, they're going to love you, man. Yeah, I love you. They love you. Me and my brother, twin brother would be crazy narcissists. We would be like, dude, did you crush it in there? Because I thought I pressed it. I crushed it. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be unbearable with the twin. Oh, you'd be great. But you definitely, yeah, I bet I'd be a lot more palatable. I bet I'd probably quiet. I would actually, that is a great sketch. Can I tell you when I started watching you, guys, there are two things I thought. Number one, I was like, oh my god, they're identical. Number two, I was like, oh my god, how brilliant. Joel doesn't need to have a podcast guest. He can always just be his brother. I'd be like, I'm here with my brother again. And because you guys finish each other sentences. We do. We literally do. Yeah, but it's like, just have one conversation with yourself and then change into a vest and switch over to the other side. And then it would take longer to shoot. It might take. But in a worst case scenario, I could always come down and be on the show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If anyone falls out, we could talk for fucking hours. We'd love to talk. Really? Is that like a family? Is that her family? We hang out. We hang out all the time. All the time. Really? I think we like every fucking day if we can. But we like to, we do like to like analyze. Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. And like unpack shit. Yeah. Like to talk about. I don't know how that works. Analyze. You said it a little. No, but like we like to talk about you. We like to like go through shit. Unpack. What do you guys unpack? I mean, is it music predominantly? No, no, no, no, no. I feel like every conversation I have these days is about loss of a family member, a friend, a parent, my dad, I feel like he's going to funerals every week. I guess he's at that age. We're all getting to that age. And if you're not at that age, you're lucky. But you should not just consider yourself lucky. 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I got a little more than a month old now. If you misheard that. So this is the, can I tell you the difference? Three kids. Comic brain and a musician brain. Yes. So I hear things and I hear things funny. You hear the joke. I hear the joke and you said 62 and one month and I went, his son's going to be 62 and a month. How did you guys know that? I actually do think he's going to be sick. You know what I love? You know what I love about you? Is that you're not a, like, so because some, I love comedy. I love stand-up comedy. Yeah. I wish I could do stand-up comedy. I think you could. I actually told. So anyways, I could go on and on about that. But I love washing it. So you know, sometimes you meet comedians, which I can only imagine. Hey, be funny. Hey, be funny. Hey guy, be funny. I know who you are. Be funny. Yeah. You know, it's like, it's a different walk. Oh, it's like, that's a different walk of life than being a musician who someone just says, I love that song. It'd be cool. It's it. I get away with a little bit of like, fuck off. As a musician. Well, if someone's being a dick, right? If someone's being a dick as a musician, you can kind of keep it real a little bit. If someone's being a dick, you can be like, it's a fuck out of here. And but it's very clear, right? Because fans are music fans. It's kind of niche to be honest with you. It's a niche, right? It's not like in everyone's living room all the time. People seek out the music that they like. So what you guys do is you make everyone laugh. And so especially if you have like shows right or right but it's I imagine that can be a lot of like Hey, hey funny guy be funny. You know, I imagine that could make you a bit dark Right, and so sometimes when you meet comedians, they're a little bit like they can be a little bit like mean little bit A little dark, you know, I mean like there's a little bit of anger in there What would make such laugh is a little different than what makes the average person laugh But I don't feel like you have the negativity though. No, I don't have negativity. I got feel like you're very You like immediately. I just didn't feel like Like I was being belittled. No, no, no, no, no, dude. I've got friends that are like They're smart. They're real smart because a lot of comedians are really intelligent. I'm funny because I'm so smart Some people is comics are they're all obviously they're all different just like everyone else in the world But we all gravitate towards the same thing and that is like There is the things that make me laugh are not the things that makes makes everyone laugh And I can't explain them sometimes to people where I go that's that'll be funny Like I was just explaining this to my assistant this morning in the gym Is I'm really into Lou Reed right now. Oh, yeah, I'm really into Lou Reed and then I got mad at Lou Reed I got into a fight with him. I'm on my tread on the treadmill Uh, I told this to Tom. I'll tell you I tell to you. I got angry I was listening to Lou Reed and then I was like I Was like I'm so glad I met you, you know, like when I did in 1989 that I made you I found you early and I'm a fan and I've been a fan for all these years because you know You're so different than and then Lou Reed to me was like I'm fucking right this for you Like I didn't oh you make me sick. I was a fucking heroin bisexual. I was a heroin addict bisexual in the In the fucking in new I had friends that died at eight friends who were stonewall and you like my music You're everything I can't stand and then I and then I just got off the treadmill I was like I'm not gonna let Lou Reed talk to me like this But you in but you in your heart of hearts. No, Lou Reed doesn't have a problem. He doesn't He's dead You just been dead for one but in my head I but I started like I see what if Lou Reed was alive And what if like you found out through someone that you were his favorite You know sort of comedic actor comedian podcaster, okay What if you heard from his right because he's at this point. He's really old right and he's got He's got folks really good folks around him or taking care of and he's requesting a hey I want to watch that show I love it. Hey, he's in his he's in his chair and he's got like you know, he's afternoon physical therapy Is like I'm trending what older folks do right? So yeah, so at this point he'd be pretty old right like he'd be oh 80 at 90 he died in 2006 2016 I think yeah, wait he died from liver cirrhosis, but he was older already so the all I hang on so imagine if you found out Actually, he's been a lot of time on Lou Reed. No, I come obsessed with him right now. Yeah, dude Romeo and Juliet Romeo and Juliet met Juliet country is Pretty fucking amazing. Yeah, I mean, it's a great cover. I actually thought I actually thought As as as you watch music shift in country have this big pop I was like, why don't you just take like five of your songs That you never released and just turn them into country songs and go hey guys good start with country and just put on fucking cowboy hat We played the anthem with Luke at Are you serious stage coach? Yeah, are you sick? Like last played it like not this past year Luke had us come out this two years ago at this stage now Um, and his band is amazing. I don't know if you've ever seen Lou Combs live. Uh, yes, his band is amazing Lou Combs. Well, yeah, and while he's a he of course yeah, and let me tell you something and we and we he's a he is a top notch musician songwriter performer. Yeah, he is as good as it gets And standing on stage with him was one of the most I'm a fan But I am also friends with him But when you're on stage That's just 20 feet tall. He's it is so it's such an incredible his presence Experience and it's so overwhelming and intimidating. He's powerful on stage that guy is so good dude And we played our song with him and it was like I was only saying uh, and by the way, I was nervous to say his nervous is hell Really? Yeah, out where the wild things are. Yeah and What that hold I lost my voice two hours before the show. I was so excited to sing that song at all the harmonies worked out Had everything and I lost my voice Two hours I still feel to this day. I feel like I blew it, but it we got through it, but I It was I want to get one back. I'm gonna tell Luke that one of these days, but what an incredible it was great though He he's he is that's so funny full circle the reason I wrote the reason I started playing Romeo met Juliet in country It's because he did Luke did fast cars. Yeah, and I thought I and I then I literally thought Someone should cover some blue reading. Well, maybe you need to go to Nashville for a few weeks and executive produce Get some players together and then get people to sign on to you know and put a blue read record together What was the song you guys played? I can't remember the name of it, but it's one of my favorite songs and make a documentary about it There you go. I'm hang on music is like I have I when I stopped drinking I was worried I wasn't gonna be able to get into music Like I got really concerned that I wouldn't get into music and you can totally get into music. Yeah music transpires all of it Do you run at equally as high a clip that you do when you're not since you like have you when you're not drinking and when you're drinking because For you to go all the way down the Lou Reed rabbit hole that's somebody who's like Got a really low tolerance for boredom is just like letting you letting is just like going all the way in oh, yeah Like to me that's like somebody running at a really high like pace is that Do you is it the same output when you are drinking? Yeah and different in different in different energy So the thing I miss the most about drinking is being a little hungover in the mornings my blood sugars change And so when I'm really low on blood sugar or high on blood sugar and I have a coffee I'm very I fire very hot and I And I see things differently. I think I I take in information differently um I think now I miss the hangovers. What's that you miss the hangovers? I do and that crazy. That's interesting I'm bomb also very punitive so I I give myself a reason to push harder if I feel a little hungover I go no no no no no no no no no you earned this That's what we're going after then you wanted the fun boy party last night then you're gonna fucking pay for it today and I But I think I'm a I'm way more measured and focused and able to output energy sober without a doubt. I am I I'm So much more creative like I think But I also I think you have to be open to creativity. I think you have to look at it and A lot of things the times the things that get in my way of creativity or is anxiety is if I'm in my head with anxiety And then I am chewing on one thing Uh, and you know, it's so crazy is I I've been journaling like wild lately And one of the things that I notice is that if I'm having a lot of anxiety I'll pick up songs in the thing and I'll start whistling them. Mm-hmm. I pick up songs like Four or five songs within 30 minutes that I hear and then I start whistling right now. I have uh you guys stuck in my head My pickup songs in whistle - and then it's a non-stop. That's fine. I know a lot of people do that my daughters would Put songs on me and they'd be like And then I'd start doing it and then they'd be like uh, and then I'd be like wait, why am I whistling good Charlotte? Maybe like I gave it to you dad and I'd be like god damn it. Don't do that and they'd put them on Um, but what was the song you guys played a cover of I read it maybe I maybe I read it Somewhere it was the it was early in your career you played a cover acoustically of a song that was like one of my favorite songs In childhood I say childhood, but like oh, uh, let me think about this. Was it a modern song? It's a modern song, but it's uh I read it. I read it and I was like wait, what is that song and then I played it. Oh I guarantee you I have it on my I have it on my apple And I was like I was like what a fuck is it silver chair? No Oh, what is this? No Hmm, you ready Oh, you ready yeah If you leave oh MD oh yeah, yeah, what a fucking That I like that make that song for me is a good cover defines me being straight. Yeah, like that's when I knew I needed the girl. Yeah, I needed her to hold my hand. I wanted to have the quiet moment in the stands I didn't I wanted 100 to call me 100% As they that's the That's it use want the girl to like you. Yeah, it defines them to find a lot of many periods of our I think that's the other thing about music is I don't understand them that them the macho. I don't fucking care like no I like felt for girls. I wanted them to like me and that was and I have that was the one She was the one I felt for girls dude. I felt for girls so much It's so hard and like got my heart broke, but like I was That was it like there was no like on whatever I was like I'm heartbroken Like barely no heartbroken. So leapsinger. I would I would hear boys or boys guys the same things And casually that I was like I know I'm supposed to feel that way but I don't feel that way like someone's like You know, I'm dating your axe. He's like dude. I'm sexually but I don't care Yeah, I don't know what that is, but that's not me. I'm like I'm heartbroken So that's I and maybe that's the music in us or something. I don't know That's not how I feel there should be an app There should be an app Where you can do for there should be two apps. There should be one app where you can find your twin, right? Yeah, that's a great idea. You're doppelganger and you get a twin But you get a twin like it's it's like in depth. We do a 23 in me. You got to do a cotton swab You find out number one. They got to be bent born on the same day. You were they don't have to be your exact same age But they got to be within a year, right? Just make a little easier. Same blood type Same blood type. They don't have to be the same color though. You get you get a black twin I would love a black twin. Yeah And and then or Puerto Rican twin Mexican twin any Irish twin whatever anywhere in the world It goes anywhere in the world. We're going anywhere in the world Definitely makes it, but then you guys sign like a blood oath where you're like yo Just so you know you've signed up for this app We've we've matched you with your twin you guys are rider dies forever now So like just so you know if you let out any of their secrets you're fucked If you ever fuck them in business, you're fucked. This is blood and and and we will out you as an app to the world That no one should trust you because your twin didn't trust you and that would be so cool to like get a like Get a twin. I think it would be a great sketch Who the a great sketch you're gonna ride it right out pretty quickly. That's quick that develop go all the way But there should be an app for like I would for like regular guys. Yes We're like you trust each other. Not reddit. It's not red. They're talking about sort of you're sort of talking about a friend Yeah, yeah, like a day. You don't have to be a pro dating. You don't have to be you don't have to be tough or cool Grinder but without the sex. Yes, like yes, where you could just be like okay, I'm like heartbroken I've got to just be heartbroken instead of be cooler tougher. Yeah, not give a fuck like not actually a do care. Oh That breaks my heart. I hate when people misread me They say something horrible, and then I have to go You just have to laugh to that out yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I curb stomped him and you're like Did you I think you misread the book? 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We have similar experiences in some ways and great guy The best metaphor I could say is like The motivation and the inspiration has changed if This was an old car in 1965 Chevy Impala super sport convertible. We have In perfect condition. We've got it perfected. We've modified some things. We've changed some things We really love this car. We got it just right now. We take it out and it's really fun because people like it But we don't let anyone fucking sit on it. We don't let pretty much anyone else drive it It's not for sale. You know, whenever going to sell it the weather's got to kind of be right Reathers got to be right and just got to feel like oh today's a good day for a drive. Let's take it out That's what to me like touring feels like and If the career or the legacy or whatever you want to call the body of work I would say now we're standing back looking at it and like adding a line Every now and then we look at it and go like oh, you know what we should. Let's clean that up like like detail it a little bit and The painting's done pretty much But now it's just going in and detailing some things on what I think with a legacy or a body of work would be is We're going to continue to make music when we feel like we could add to it and it feels right It's the best way I could put it. That's like I don't know what that means Schedule-wise or cadence-wise, but it does kind of feel like that It's kind of like you know, I think we could we get an idea and then the next layer of that is everything gets planned around the real priorities in life Which is kids and your wife and you know your wife and kids and it's a lot of tough Is it me your first time going out on the road with it will be it well, well, it'll actually be like we We will be We've been out a few times like for short like 10 days 10 day runs. That's kind of the limit is 10 days But this will definitely be the first like proper like tour tour But the way that it's scheduled I can I'm going to be home once a week really yeah, wait Are you doing you have a huge Europe run? We have a Europe run, but again, again, that's like a 12-day run Oh for real we packed them all in together. We're keeping it. We're keeping it really tight We hit Australia. We hit Australia. You just did we did great. It was great. It shows fucking what what is what's in the water down there? I don't know sharks Sharks and spiders and snakes. Do you think it's I you know, I've always attributed Australia and Florida to be like kissing cousins because everything kills you in Florida. Yeah, yeah I think I think that's a good like analogy. We love Australia. We get along great in Florida We love Australia. We get along great in Australia. We've always had like a we've got a really unique career in Australia Really? Yeah, we I mean we've got a great relationship with Australia We did we did the Joel's on the voice down there and then he brought me down there and then we did the voice together down there It's just like yeah, it's like it was the first actually place we actually have had a big hit too, on our first album. - Oh, is it the first big radio? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, the first place ever. - Yeah, here it didn't really go until the second album. - Interesting, yeah. - Yeah, the Australia is, I just had a brain fart. Wait, were you talking about-- - What they put in the water? - Florida. - Florida and Australia being kissing cousins. - I can't believe I forgot something that quick. I think that's how a phase just starts. - No, you're fine. - Okay, good. Yeah, Australia's pretty fucking over. - You're overwhelmed with the twinness. - I am, it's so funny, he-- - But when you sit with us though, it's not really like we're twins. - I know, not at all. - Like, there's no, it's like people don't understand that like, it's like, everyone who knows us or wives, they don't think we look anything like. - Yeah, you look less than less alike. - Yeah. - Now where you know us, yeah. - You look more Maryland than me does. - I do, it's 'cause of the camera. - Wait, he looks more Maryland than I do. - Yeah, yeah. - Really? - Yeah, I probably have that edge. - Ruffer and tougher might be a more nice jacket. - I was gonna show you my jacket that I have to wear tonight. See what you think. There's been a few people that I've met in this business, and I think it's the older I get. I think the longer you're in this business, the less you, I don't know if it's less you wanna be here, but the less that you are just here. I think, I'm saying that wrong, but I think the longer you're in this business, the more you stick around, it means you're just here because you're here. There's a lot of people that get in early that are like, that are like, you can tell they wanna be there, and they're excited, and they're like, yeah, this is where I thought all the answers were. And then you're here for a while, and you're like, you're like, oh, I'm here also. And like when I ran into you, I was like, oh, I'm here also. And you were there, and I was like, cool. And then you can tell, there's a couple people that are like, even like the sweetest guy is the pitcher for the fucking. - Yeah, nice, really nice guy, man. - Blake Snell. - But you gotta remember, these guys are young, 23. - Yeah, and you can tell like he didn't know what to do. - Yeah, 'cause it's weird. - It's his party, and he's like, he's just an athlete. And he's like, so, how did you get into comedy? And you're like, oh, you don't have to interview me. Like, I know he didn't think he was, but he's just, you can tell like. - Like, you know, these, yeah, but that's the thing, is it takes years to get used to this shit. - And sometimes you don't. - And sometimes you just call it weird. And you just call it weird. Like, every now and then, at this age, at 47, we'll show up somewhere, like, that was fucking weird. - Yeah. - Why did we do that? But that's just how it is. - And I bet you guys have to go to things that no one would go to. - Dude, you, and especially when you're like, when my wife is like, will you please come? 'Cause she knows, I don't wanna do, listen, I don't wanna do a red carpet, another red carpet in my life. But I understand, sometimes you gotta do 'em. It depends on the thing. - You need me there. And so like, she's like, will you come with me? And we have a little thing. One is like, I can, like, on some stuff, she's like, come, you don't have to do the carpet or anything. And sometimes she's like, I would really love it if you just do the whole thing with me. I'm gonna be miserable, whatever. I'm like, you work it out. That's the reality of the conversation. - Yeah. - Right, I don't know how to explain it better than that. And I'm like, of course, hun. So I go and I try to put a fucking jacket on and I'm like, I don't know what to do. I always just go, honey, do you need me to be there? And she's like, no, honey, you're good. - And that's it, that's how it works. It's like, she's like, sometimes she's not fine. I'll go do this. - I go, 'cause I'll go if you want me to. But, but that's the conversation. - But every guy I know, every other person I know that I'm friends with is, they're having the same conversation. They're like, do you need me to go? - You don't need me at that. - Do you want me to go? And then like, sometimes you gotta go. And then you're having the same conversation. - Yeah. - But it's like a weird aspect of like your job. Strangely, you know, some stuff you gotta go do, or you gotta do. - But we always. - It's so funny. I had not dinner up, but someone said to me, someone said, at that party, it's so cool that you brought your wife to this event. And I was like, I wanted to be like, I should smile on my friend. (laughs) I was like, and then someone, oh, I think it was one of the guys that there, and he was like, I thought you might bring like, you know, another, someone to might buy watches as opposed to someone is gonna go, don't buy that watch. And then I was like, oh, I could have brought to them. - This is the person I talk about buying the watches. - Yeah. - And so, and then Tom was like, why didn't you bring me? And I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I just thought to bring my wife. I have Liam go to every red carpet with me, 'cause they make me uncomfortable. - Right. - So uncomfortable. - And that's the thing is like, it's uncomfortable. That's all it is. - I only get comfortable. I swear to God, I hope she's already left. I only get comfortable and they go, can we just get one with him? (laughs) And I give her my sunglasses, I go, I'll be right back. (laughs) And then they're like, can you take the shirt off? Awesome. Next, those red carpet. - But that's just like, that's just like, when you've been with your wife as long as you have, when you've done enough of it, it's just like a thing, like you know what you said, okay, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna do it. You're never comfortable. You just kinda go through it, you try your best. Like, really, make do some work. - It's like anything else, you do it with your hand. - It's like the objective at hand is to go and to fill this, promote the thing, or do the thing, or whatever. - Or to support somebody, or whatever. - Oh yeah, like say it's your friend and they have a movie coming. Whatever it is, you're there and you're, for the right reason. You're not there for the wrong reason. - Podcasting gives you a reason to talk to someone. Like, I don't know that I'd ever get this reason to talk to someone, but then it also establishes friendships, I think beyond the podcast where you get to see them and you're like, oh, we've hung out before. And, but I'm wondering who you guys have met in celebrity moments where you're like, oh, I would have been friends with him regardless of that. And like, I'll start with one. - Yeah, go. - Okay, then I'm gonna start with two because they're the only two people that I've met. Other than you, I swear to God when I say this, and I think I'm gonna say this to you that night. I think I said both of these people to you that night. - Okay. - Where I think I use this example to you. - Okay. - I very seldomly meet anyone I'm ever gonna be friends with. I am very much like-- - But we, I felt like we were gonna be friends. - Yes. - Yeah. - I'm a very much single serving guy where I go, I can give you a lot of birth right now, but you're not gonna get the real thing, I'm gonna. - I love the way you put that because I feel similar to that sometimes. - Yeah. Jack Osborne and O'Shea Jackson. - He's awesome. - Jack Osborne and O'Shea Jackson are two people that I've met that I have to say. I am authentically friends with. Whether or not they agree with this is up to them, but like I don't feel like I have to be someone around them. I don't feel like I have to talk when I'm around them. I can stand next to them in a party and we'll make each other giggle back and forth. - Yeah. - But I don't know who raised, I mean, I know who raised them, but like the idea that they were raised by those people, and they're as normal as they are is fuck like, when I met you and then I immediately got in the car and I was like, where the fuck's he from? And then I was like, oh my God, he's regular. That's why I like him. And I was like, oh, he's like, just like, okay, I got it. - I called Joel and I said, he did. - I just think that's great because I love him, but for some reason I thought. - But I kind of knew if, you know, when you see people and you go like, are we private friends? Like, you know, like, yeah. I think you do an incredible job of being yourself unapologetically, just being you and not varying off of that. - Well, thank you. - I do, like. - But I also, you know what I think part of it is, because not everyone makes you feel like you can do this. I think it's like, why me and Cameron got married. It's like, when people make you actually be able to reveal yourself. - Right. So you're gonna meet people where they're at. If they don't allow you to just like be yourself, then you're just gonna be whatever. You're gonna just gonna be whatever. Like you said, like that, you're just gonna be the bird guy. - Yeah. - You know, it's the same with me, right? So like, but when somebody allows you to just be yourself, and it's like, you don't feel, you don't feel weird. - In fact, when you are, they like you more. - Yeah, and they, and you meet people where you're at. So it's like, because other people, you can kind of, start like by just like being authentically excited or whatever, and they shut you down. You kind of go, oh, well, I'm not gonna be the bird. - But the reason you like, the reason you like Jack and O'Shea, is because they see the real truth of this place and these rooms and these places. If you've been somewhere with them, you're catching, you're clocking someone who is actually seeing this for what it is versus the kind of fantasy that all this is, is actually, no, they grew up in it. They're not impressed by it. They're more impressed by something interesting or something actually good or someone that's actually cool, actually nice versus the idea of stuff that is what kind of people, most people are presenting the idea of something. And then whenever, every now and then you find something that's actually good, and you're like, I fuck with that. That's, I see the same thing Nicole, when I met her, I knew right away, same thing. She grew up in it, she's not impressed. She doesn't give a fuck, she's more impressed by someone who's actually nice, actually cool, actually decent. You know what I mean? So I think that's it. - But the trappings are, it's kind of interesting for, I would say the three of us, and then I was, I was really blown away by celebrity when I was young. Like I was, I remember the first time we saw a famous person. Yeah, we were blown away. Um, it was um, couldn't believe they're in real life. Marlin Wayne's I told him the story. First time we were like, is now we're, now we're friendly. We're like, we're I'd say, I would say damn near friends. Like, yeah, every time we see each other, it's great. I told him that's the first time we ever had him. We said the first time we ever can really see you're the first bar. You're the first famous person I ever saw in real life in 2000. I never forgot it. Marlin Wayne's. We were so blown away. We're like, I was blown away you because I, and I, and I told him that and he was so nice. Uh, but we years later years later, I remembered it like I remembered it. Oh, aside from some band, he had been in. I'm trying to think, but that was different than, well, no, I'm trying to be like, you're a wife. It was scary. I had a scary movie. Yeah, but we knew Marlin. Marlin and his younger brother, uh, they, uh, no, so there's, uh, uh, uh, Sean and Marlin used to do stand up together. They used to go out and tour together. And so they were on the circuits. You see like a dual act. Yeah. No, I think they'd both do stand up. Yeah. I see it was a movie star. Yeah. Oh, no, no. 100%. But, you know, I'm also, I'm also his age, I think, or maybe a little older. So like, so like his brother Keenan and fucking and Damon, Damon, Damon is part of the reason I do stand up. I mean, like, and so, but they were not accessible, but like they'd be at the seller. They'd be, they'd be, you'd see him around clubs. So like, I love that you say he was, somebody because he is hardcore. Oh, I was fucking. So that's what we were like. So today, a movie star. We were just blown away. We were like, holy shit. In real life. I think he's a treasure. He's the Wayne's family is a treasure. So I was so we're so excited. Okay. I remember seeing, I mean, we told the story in the podcast. I remember it so clear. I remember seeing Doug Williams, the Redskins quarterback, walking out of the David Copperfield magic show in Washington, DC, it's a big deal. Big deal. He was gone into Lexus. Oh, he was wearing a Rolex. And he gone into Lexus and I was like, one day, that's me. I'm going to, I did get a Lexus too, by the way, in a Rolex. So, um, but, um, I have a Doug Williams jersey. And he stopped. And by the way, by the way, he stopped and like, are you a red or a commander's fan? Doug Williams. Okay. Doug Williams explains everything. That's interesting. Every, my, my take, my base of understanding racism was Doug Williams's career because I was a Tampa Bay buck and he was famous, he was the box. And people were booing him. He was with the bucks. Oh, I'll see. I only know him as a Redskins. So, when he joined the Redskins, I, I mean, I went out of my way to do a podcast with Doug Williams. I'm not much of a Doug Williams fan. That's amazing. And by the way, did you do a podcast with him? A hundred percent. Oh, I wouldn't see. Doug Williams is the reason I bought a $100,000 house for Habitat for Humanity. Ultimately, I, I was like, I'm such a fucking idiot. And I, first of all, I'm obsessed with Doug, so I do a podcast with Doug, Tampa, I explain everything. I think it was, I'm going to be very candid. I think all that was a little lost on him. I don't think he, I don't think he understood what the podcast was. I don't think he really understood his importance to me. I think his memories of Tampa were fine, but James, I got to hang out with him now. I got to hang out with him. Yeah. And his shake his hand. And his hands are so big. And everything about him is just fucking great. You know, we got to hang out with, and I love Doug Williams, and that's amazing to hear the story. Our version of that. Who? Coward, Jr. Yeah. So we got. And he asked that. He's so cool. So his founders want to talk about the funnest night. The best night. One of the best nights of our life. Tell me. It was not for a story. It was awesome. Altering. Like, dude, he's so cool. He was so real. So real. He said that he was like making jokes with me while we were under his breath. Like, it's his charity. And there's a charity auction. And so he's amazing. He's the best. He was literally like, was so cool. So they auctioned off a round of golf with him. So I said, I was like, Hey, Cal, I'm going to get this and he goes, Oh, you don't got to do that. Well, I'll play golf with you anytime. And I said, No, I'm going to get this. So we got. So I got the round of golf. How much? 10 grand. 10 grand. Easy money. Yeah. Yeah. How much for a round of golf with celebrities? I'm going to buy. I'm going to start buying rounds. I'm going to go around the country. Yeah. Buy rounds of golf with celebrities. They're going to go. Who the fuck are you? So we genuinely became friends. Are you serious? Oh, no. Like, like, let's say we text each other all the time, but if, yeah, if you needed to get a hold of it, but yeah, I mean, it was, it was, it was the, he's so chill. He's so real. So real. So real. Dude, dude. And we haven't played golf with him yet. No, we. We haven't. No. You got to round of golf. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you know, the other great thing about being twins is we split everything. It's five grand a piece. Yeah. I have a problem with those auctions. Half price. Well, I usually don't participate in those things, but that, on that one, I'm literally going, hey, I actually want, there's two things going on here. One, I know it will be better round of golf for him than maybe someone else in the crowd who could have got that round of golf. Yes. And maybe that would have been a little bit more punishing of the time. No offense to anyone who would have bought that round of golf. Two, we get to play golf. We, and three, the money goes to a great cost. So I was like, and we're fun to play golf with. I think you guys would be a blast to play golf. It's a good hang. It is a good hang. It's chill. Nate Parcotti, not the funnest round of golf. You know, I don't know. He makes himself. Who? Nate Parcotti. He's so funny. He makes me laugh. I don't think he'd make everyone laugh. Like he makes me laugh, but I just, I, you play, yeah, okay, I think you, I think you're not afraid to laugh at things that make you laugh. And I think sometimes people have to hold it in because they, you know, I think you have the freedom to laugh, which is, which makes you fun. Because you could laugh at something and also laugh along. You got to remind people that it's like, it's not that that's your mission, but like, it's nice when you, like, I think you naturally remind people that they can laugh a little bit. Anything else you really wanted? You had burning desire to talk about that. Yeah, I like to, you get a good list of questions, you get a good, very natural, very, very natural. No, no. I mean, I know I just want to talk about Doug Williams. Yeah. I'm fascinated by, I am fascinated by celebrity. I'm fascinated by, like the only time I ever hooked up with celebrity and she wasn't a celebrity, but she was like on TV and I was, I remember being like, oh, fuck, she's just as broken as everyone else. Like, that kind of took the, the wind out of celebrity for me. And now I think I'm, like, I'm always fascinated by that. I'm really stuck on this thing about, because I think that's the reason you guys, like, Papa Roach is a great example. Yeah. They still have a huge fan base. Yeah. And the reason is because they're playing the biggest shows of their career. Yeah. Same as us right now. Yeah. That's sorry. Why? And I'll, I'll give you, and there's my two cents. Yeah. And this, I got to, as I joke about Nate, I got to give Nate his props. It's because your fans and Papa Roach's fans and Nate's fans actually believe that you would like them. Yeah. Cause we would. Yeah. But do you realize, like, I'm not saying a little bit of this or doesn't, but I'm not saying that, like, that Moby does or doesn't, but, like, there are some people who detest their fans. We're just not, that's the thing that I think, like, we're not above anyone. We're literally just playing this music, and we want everyone to have a good time. But I also meet them in the coffee shop or at wherever, like, now it's like multiple generations of people that know our band. But I'm pretty comfortable if someone comes up to me and goes, Hey, I fucking love your band. I listen to your record when I was in fifth grade. I'm like, cool. I'm not offended that they haven't listened to me since whatever, I just, we have a nice chat. I'm not uncomfortable. And if we end up, like, you end up in situations where people, like, are a fan of your music, and you're there, you know, you're playing golf. I'm in a hang. I'm not, I'm, and it's just, we get past that and we're just hanging out. So, like, I think there's a, there's a level of, like, I'm not worried about separating too much from, like, this, but I actually think that we're still very hopeful, guys. Like we're still hoping people will like us. It doesn't run our life, you know what I mean? It's not like we'll give up everything to be popular, but like, we still are walking into the room with a more hopeful sort of intention. Definitely. One of my friends, sure. Yeah. We definitely are going out into the world, like, I'm not trying to not make friends. We're hoping more that we become friends with somebody that we're like, so I think even in the, for the, for anybody, like, you make a record and say, we hope people, like, it's still the same. But I think that's like more than not. I think that's the average guy is like, I will meet you where you're at. If you come at me, I'm going to, I'm going to meet you there. I'm not going to, but if, if we get the chance to be, to bro down and hang out, even if we don't agree on everything, it's not that hard. I'll be that guy most of the time. And I feel like you're the same way. You see other dudes where you're like, yeah, he'd be cool if you're cool to him. Yeah. It's that simple. But you probably meet people where they're at too, because if someone's a dick, you're probably like, okay, I guess we're doing that today. I can, I'm, I'm very quick to decide on people where I go, oh, this guy can feel energy, especially when you're also, I miss Reddit a lot of, but also we're not like, but again, like we're on the. I'm not walking around like the guy in the whiskey commercial, like what by the way, he seems cool. I don't know. I haven't met him. Like most of the guys I know where we are, we're like, just trying to be happy, trying to hold us together, trying to, trying to actually try to, we're trying to get to you know, school drive a lot of time. Literally just actually trying to be like a dad's husbands. We're actually trying to figure that out. We're trying to work, make a living, I think most and then have a good time somewhere. You know, like whether it's playing golf or doing this or doing that. And I think like, I'm not measuring every other guy, like what's he driving, what's he doing, what's he, I'm just trying to hang out. That's a wild statement. I remember one time I was at a, I was at an airport bar and I'm drinking by myself, texting with my wife about my daughters and I'm just, and I over here someone saying, oh, look at him. And I was like, I'm actually talking about, just trying to get on this flight here and that's the thing is like, I'm not the most interesting guy in the world. I'm literally, when you are me, there's always going to be someone taller, there's always going to be someone richer. There's always going to be some, you know what I mean, like you're like, maybe, well, let me just end up story with, I was like, what a fucking asshole, I got off the phone and I hit the safari button and it was a Google of me, just that morning, it was a shirtless picture. I was like, I'm pretty skinny picture. I was like, fuck that very morning, I had Googleed myself. That's the beauty of being a comedian is like, you can find the thing that makes you so silly about yourself and laugh about it and reveal it to people. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. You get to beat him to the punch. Hopefully. Well, that's one thing about what I got to say though, you will, I think we do it too. You'll downplay the actual, the level, actually what you do that you make look really easy and you do a podcast and you translate it to a show. To an actual show to take a style, a vibe of that you've done doing stand up or you've done doing this and actually put it into these different forms is like, it's incredibly hard. Really next level and I think that like you just, you actually do it at a really high level but you have found a grounded like way to actually stay in real life. Like we always kind of say like our real life and then everything else. Well, I think that's my wife, she's fucking too real. Same. Yeah, let me just say I'm not going to bring my wife around your wives. She's too real. I can do a real impression of my wife meeting your wife's good. Okay. Hey, Leanne, you remember Benji, you met him at the watch? Oh, yeah. How you doing? Holy shit. Are you a camera? Yes. That's his wife's thing. Almost like it. Hang on a second. You were great in calories and eating mass movie. It's fun to fuck up. Okay. Hey, you were the only good thing in that movie. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Hang on. This is his brother, Joel. Oh, I met you out of holy shit. Your dad is not a richie. That's my wife. She's so fucking real that I go, but it's so refreshing because when you're around her, like, but what's worse, someone, someone, that's why Nicole would fuck with her and have a good time. And by the end of the night, they'd be drinking wine and doing all the things girls do. Like, you know what? She says it. She never says it again. When I said, she, when we left the watch thing, she, I go, she goes, well, who the fuck, what were you guys talking about? I said, we're just bullshit. And I said, he's, you know, he's really regular and she goes, yeah, what, we, well, I don't know a good charter song. Play a good charter song. So put on anthem. And she goes, oh, I know this shit. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's him. I said, yeah, and his brother. And she goes, he got a brother. And I was like, yeah. She goes, oh, okay. Wait. Where's he live? I say he lives up in up by Rob Lowe. She goes, oh, nice. He married, and I said, yeah, he's married to Cameron Diaz. Well, she was the only good thing in that calories movie. And I went, okay, don't ever mention that. She goes, well, if I see or I'd have to, I said, well, no, you would never mention that. And I have to, and I have to, I have to say this for real. And I'm, I just to support my wife. Her acting was so good in that fucking movie. You saw it, I'm sure. Right? Um, which one? The recent counter. Oh, outcome. Yeah. Yes. I loved it. She was so good. Yes. She was so good in it that I was like, and it's a, it's good movie. I loved it. It's good movie. It's good movie. It's a great movie. I accept the fact that she was so much better than everything going on. And it was a fucking small role, but man, it was, she was really good. She loved, she loved making it. Yeah. I bet. She's also just such as, you know what, the highlight of that movie for me was. What? I became friends with Jonah. And now we're like, really good friends. Shut the fuck up. So now, talk about a guy that you love being out. Are you serious? Are you serious? So I do this. That's like telling me, that's like they go, you know, you know, uh, uh, uh, Christie Mac, you remember Christie Mac, porn star? I don't know. Oh, gee, me either. But go on. But I'm listening. I'll be going. I'll be going. I'm going to be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. I'll be gone. Thanks. Thank you. something about go on. What was that? What was that? What was that name? What was that name? Something was in. Did you just give me? I think I only read the script. What do you think the end of you collect points? And by the actors. Go ahead, alright. Back to Jonah. How does that think he has to collect a Jonah? Do you remember someone? They're like, "No, like, of course I." What was she in again? I'm sweating. So I'm crying. What was the Jonah comparison? Okay, so I'll tell you legit close friends with Jonah now. Yeah, like that. We like, yeah, he was the only person who did my first movie and only. I was talking about my projects. It's just two things before I was in the movie, the TV show about yourself. It was a movie about myself. Oh, like I'm sweating. When I did that, they were like, "Well, we only have eight records." It's kind of like movies. They take us long to make his movies. Someone said, "Are you going to be an actor now?" And I said, "No." And they're like, "In there an actor you want to work with?" And I went, "No." And I was like, "I don't want to work with any of them. I have no interest in acting." And they were like, "For real." And then after the movie I had done, I was talking to someone. And I was talking to the producer. And I was like, "I was like, so wait. I got offered a movie." And I said to the producer, "Can I like, is it the fun of when I made my movie?" And they're like, "No, no, no. You just be like a hired guy." And you come in and you've been in a trailer, they're bringing it to set. And I was like, "Can I hang on like a video village and give notes and stuff?" And I was like, "No." I was like, "Can I give notes on the scripts?" And they're like, "No, no, no, no, no. None of that. None of that." I go, "Then I don't want to do it." And they were like, "Well, isn't there someone you want to work with?" And I went, "No." I go, "No, I only want to work with me and people that want to work with me." And then I went, "You know what? I kind of want to work with Joan Hill." And they were like, "For real?" I go, "Yeah, man, because he's just fascinating." Like, I find him to be very, everything he's ever done has been a little different and off and funny and really absurdist. And even like, like a skateboard movie, I thought was fucking great. But, and this movie was fucking, I mean, I got to be honest with you. The movie's great. And honestly, your wife steals the movie, in my opinion. And I just, I just haven't, I haven't, I hadn't seen, and now that I've acted, I haven't seen someone that casually good. And, and Kiana's great. And the movie's great. The movie's great. But, I might one take away as I wanted to work with Jonah, because he just is really good. I think it was kind of next level the way he took, like, such a, like, that's like some pretty deep, like, subject matter. And he somehow made, like, a comedy slash, think-piece slash. It's kind of almost mystery. Almost mystery. Yeah, so I thought, and there's like a couple really moments in the movie where you're like, you go, it kind of hits you. It's kind of like, and especially if you've been anywhere around this world, where it kind of hits you, I thought of it. But, um, I just thought it was a cool crew, too. Like, just Keanu, Cameron, Jonah, Matt. And I just thought that it's a really interesting, like I told Jonah, I was like, really interesting. It's like a comedy slash kind of thought piece or something. It really makes you just kind of, the whole time you're kind of just watching. I wondered what Americans thought of it, meaning like, because I know how I felt about it. But I also have Googled, like, I've Googled myself and the word I don't want to see next to it. You know, that's which is what Keanu is doing. I've done that because you're just, like, you do that when a special comes out. Like, looking for a battery. or something I have, I'm really done that. - Where it's like stinks or tanks. - Yeah, or fat, fat, uh, yeah. - Fat, racist, Nazi, whatever you find under my name. And so, but, and so I know, like I understood that. I mean, it was a great movie, but also I'm a big Joan of fans. - Yeah. - So kind of, I'm kind of like, I'm kind of like leaning towards, - Legend. - Legend, that's like, who's like that music though? Like who's like that music when you're like, - Okay. - Like that's a band you guys open for. Like you guys open for lit, I remember fucking lit. - Yeah. - So, I remember, I dude, I did abs to lit. 2000 was 26 years old. - Let's think, let's think about this. It's like legendary sort of. - Like I don't think Eddie Vetter would like me 'cause I know his wife already doesn't. - I think it's funny. - I think Eddie Vetter is like, I think when we were younger, Eddie Vetter, like I think Eddie Vetter grew up, like kind of got older and he's like way cooler now. - He's really cool. - I think he was a little bit angry. Yeah, when we were coming out. - Oh yeah. - But he was really nice. - Yeah, then I met him years later, and he said, "Hey man, I said some stuff about you guys when you guys first came out." Like you guys were in a new way. He's like, I'm sorry, it was really silly. I was young. - Oh, that, and I like, and he's so cool. - Oh, I immediately, Eddie versus older Eddie makes me understand Eddie is a regular guy. - Yeah, regular guy is just like, - Yeah, I sing, I do sing for cool. I think a lot of those-- - I fucked up with his wife. We were in a private room before the Pearl Jam show, and I was with a friend of hers. And I don't know why, you know when you try to relate to someone, and she didn't dislike me, but I just fucked up. And I was like, oh yeah, I was saying something, and we were talking about someone said Hawaii. And then I said, oh yeah, I'm friends with a, I meant to say Gabby and Laird. Gabby reached the volleyball player in Laird, Hamilton and her husband, Surfer. - Okay. - And I said it with a British accent, and I don't know why. (laughing) - You were nervous. - You were nervous. - You were nervous. Does she have a British accent? - Oh. (laughing) - Well, why do you think she doesn't like you? - I didn't get the British accent. She repeated it back in the British accent. I was like, where are you from? (laughing) I was like, I'm from Tampa, Florida. (laughing) Chelsea and Laird, she goes, - I don't know, I don't know. She loves, she doesn't see her like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And she goes, you wasted it, I'm so nervous. She goes, the fuck, she just talking an accent to her. (laughing) - And I was like, you're nervous. - She looked a purr, I was so embarrassed. I don't know how I got, I was like, oh, I'm friends with Gabby and Laird. She went, oh, I'm so glad. - I was nervous. You're just nervous. It's hard, it's tough being in like the rooms with like people that all feel really important. You know, at the thing, and the thing. - I don't think she probably just likes you though, dude. - She was like, oh, she left, she walked away, she went, she got me in the lab, and I went, hmm, hmm, hmm. Where are you from at that tampon? She went, the accent, and I went, she just went, right, I'll call you about it, he's birthday, and just walked out. - Yeah, she doesn't care, I guarantee it. - It was cool though. It was cool, that was cool, 'cause-- - That's cool. - 'Cause you know, we were little kids when we came out, and we were literally just trying our best. And then Pearl Jam. - It's like, come on, it's like Pearl Jam. I remember getting Pearl Jam. Remember you got me that tape. - Yeah, that tape for Christmas. - Yeah, they were God, man. - And so then, so then, but then we're gonna be like, well, fuck you, you know what I mean? Like, we're not gonna back down, we're just gonna be like, well, then fuck you guys. And then that was really nice. He, all years later, came up, forget where it was, came up, it was like a private party somewhere, and he came over, and he said, hey, I wanna apologize. - Wow, wow, wow, wow. - And of course, I'm gonna act like I don't, oh, I don't see Eddie better right there, right? Like, I'm gonna act like I don't, and I'm like, oh, there's no need to apologize. It was really nice. It made me, I literally left there, like, skipping, called him. I said, man, Eddie better just came up and talked to me for-- - We can listen to Pearl Jam again? (laughing) - Oh, it sucks when you gotta turn off their shit, and be like, oh, fuck. - That's my, that's, that was great. My integrity, I can't separate it. If somebody comes, that's just it. There's a lot of art in the world, but I was so happy 'cause I love Pearl Jam. - Dude, I haven't listened to Pearl Jam, and like, we went to this concert with my daughters, and the next day we're in the car, or know the day before we're in the car we're about to go, and they start playing Pearl Jam songs. I have not listened to since college, and I'm like, god damn, these are-- - It's deep, the catalog goes deep. - Yeah. - It's such a big experience. - I had the same experience on the other side of the coin. - Where you got to-- - With Fred Durst. So back in the day, when we first came out, for whatever reason, I got drawn into the, you know, like whatever the threat other people felt from Fred Durst, like I was, you know, in some interviews, or in, you know, somewhere, some platform, I can't remember, but in some interviews, somewhere, I have just added on to the hate, and it really taught me a lot, actually-- - So we, like, people-- - Well, before I actually, like, now I'm friends with Fred, well before I ever talked to him, we literally almost got into a fight at an event somewhere, like, and, like, with not Fred, but now I became friends with the whole band. Like, we, as it, but it really taught me a lesson, because even before, after that happened, I felt bad because I'm not, that's not-- I don't, like, I'm the opposite of that. I go around and make friends. Whatever that was, you know, it was caught in a moment. I chose, it was a, it was a weak moment. It was a, it was a cheap, it was a cheap moment. And I always said, if I ever get the opportunity, I hope I get to talk to those guys, 'cause I actually like their music, and, you know, being a little kid coming into this, you know, playing whatever role you think you got to play, that taught me a lesson that lasted for the rest of my life. - Oh. - You know, and now we're friends. We had a whole conversation, like, and being, I mean, for many years now. And so that actually meant a lot to me, just in my, 'cause we got to learn our own lessons too, you know? And so to have the Eddie Vetter thing. And I can't think of any others, but there's probably-- - No, one more that I, there's one more that some, it wasn't the same exact thing, 'cause something got taken out of context. So the strokes, something happened with the strokes, but it wasn't, we weren't talking shit, but something got taken out of context, or something. And we remember we almost got into something with them in Japan. - Yeah. - And then years later, I met Nick, and became really good friends with Nick, the guitar player, Nick Valencia. And we, to this day, I love him. And now, and friendly with the whole thing. - But we talked about it. It was some, I forget what it was, but it was like, we weren't, they aren't gonna take it. They're not gonna back down. They're like, you've talking shit. And we were like, we both, we almost got into something. - Well, yeah, and then we're not gonna back down, you know what it's like. - But that's the kind of nature of media too. They kind of like love that shit. But-- - Oh, media fucking loves it. - And the internet makes it-- - Well, and then you look back as a kid, right? And you look at how you do kind of get set up for those things. And people that you can't see it coming, you can't see it coming. And sometimes media, the-- - But also the stroke on my-- - The darker side of media. - Well set up, kids coming in to do media have no idea that all they wanna do is get a sound bite of this or like a thing in this. So they, they, they shift it. I think that's something that you-- - It sucks, and you have to go through this as a podcaster. What sucks is that the reason I, the reason I have this podcast is not to find a clip. I don't care about the clip. - No, I don't care about the clip. - That's why people talk to you. - And so that's why I enjoy this. It's not-- - I feel the same about yours. - Yeah, the reason people love talking to you is because you're not trying to find-- - I'm trying to take some of that. - The episode you did with his wife is fucking fascinating, not one in my opinion, not one clippable moment. Maybe there's one, there might be one. But more importantly, it's a conversation about growth and family. And I'm sitting there going like, this is like a TED talk. - But it's not interesting to most-- - Because no one's like, so tell me about-- - Because it's not a train wreck, you know? - Like that's the thing is, and like, and I'm certain that someone will pick these out of what we said of the gossipy things. But the thing is, is like, I don't really give a fuck about a clip. - Because the clip-- - For me, incredible, anyway. - And unless we laugh, unless like, I'm sure it'll be clipped out that I talked to Eddie Vetter's wife in a fucking British accent. - Yeah. - But I don't mind being foolish. But I don't really like, if I always say, I did a crazy great podcast with someone. And we got done and he was like, can we not release that? And I went, okay. And he was like, I just feel like it's all going to get clipped out. And I went, all right, yeah, of course, we don't have to do it. And he was like, can we redo it? And so we redid it. And the things that were juicy, that were really fucking venomous, we didn't talk about. And it was a great podcast, still a great podcast. And, but I don't, that's not my interest in this. And when you talk about, the Fred Durstuff or the Eddie Vetter or the strokes. I look back at like how naive I was to say like, I didn't realize I was just giving them exactly what they wanted. You walked into it. Oh, I mean, I don't think I've ever. All right, no, I have. I definitely have shit on comics. I definitely have. I definitely have. But like, that's the thing to do. And I mean shit on a lot. And I hold that shit so tightly. I have a friend who made a slight comment about me one time, a friend. And I have not replied to his texts. I have not replied to him at all. It hurt me so bad. Because I've always been good to you. Like I've always been a friend. I've always been a friend when people were your friend. I was a friend. And I go, and now you're getting a little heat. And you're gonna, you're gonna just make it make an off-color joke about me when you don't have to. Would you ever have them on the podcast just talk it out? No, never. I would never do that. Your feelings got hurt. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm very sensitive. Yeah, yeah. No, I have we all are. I probably have that. I found like, like the, the, the strokes things are good examples. I love that band. I fucking love the strokes. And whenever that was, we were all young. And I got to, if I got to apologize, because he was, he's a good, Nick is a good guy. And he's also like, he's got integrity. So he, but we, but it ended up making us like become friends. And we have friends between us. And I actually found that it was a good thing because I got to like get to know a band I love and see they're made to something. They're, they're real. Like they were down to throw down. And they were down. Like he was down to, they were down to fight for it. That's the thing is like it made it over the years. I love over the years. Same with them biscuit. By the way, they were down, they were down to also, like Eddie Vedder's down to make a repair with someone he doesn't have to. He didn't need a fucking go over to him. Oh, no, no. Like, as a matter of fact, you would imagine in the dialogue I had with fucking Lou Reed in my head, I have that with other people. I have had it with everyone. I would imagine I would have had a fucking dialogue about what Eddie Vedder said about me and how I wouldn't register on his radar. And I would have gone down a rabbit hole of crazy. But they taught me how to be. So him to come up, I'd be like, those situations taught me how to act. They taught me how to be. They taught me like, Oh, that's a band I love. I want to be more like that. Okay. There's not enough of that is spoken of men who teach you how to be. Yeah. That is so important. We need, we need examples as, you know what I mean, especially as men, young men, especially if your dad's not around, especially if all you're in an industry full of people who have, who have less than a stellar integrity because they put money first. Like, I think, I've, I've found, as I've gotten older, the men that I idolize, they all share a similar quality. They're still married to their wives. Their kids are close to them. They all have different levels of, and they're not afraid to talk about something like something. If there was a misunderstanding, if there's something they'll be right head on, they'll be like, Hey, if there's a billionaire sitting there and a guy that manages his shop and that billionaire has, has doesn't have his wife and his kids hate him. And that guy is with his wife and his kids love him. I'm going to listen to that guy's advice way sooner than I listen to the billionaire. A man who was on my TV show. And it was a weird thing in transition at the travel channel at the time. I was the host, but they were turning me into the executive producer and they were telling me it was my show. And the net was telling me, I need to take more control. And, and I was taking more control creatively. And I, this guy said some very loose things about me in front of the client. The client was the, the country of Australia. All day enough. And he kind of talked shit about me in front of the client. Australia was paying for the whole episode. And he was talking shit. And Australia, the company of the country of Australia, the rep came up to me and said, this guy was just trashing you to me in front of me and to the network to a bunch of people. You need to handle that. I can't have that on this shoot that I've paid for. So I fired him on the spot. I went over and I fired him. And they removed it. We couldn't send him home. We removed him from the set, stayed in the hotel. And two weeks later, he calls me. And he goes, I'm sorry. And I was like, okay. And he goes, I, you're young. I've never had anyone be this accountable in my life. Absolutely not my wife. But he goes, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of what was happening with the network in you. I stepped out and I talked shit about you and I didn't realize the client was there. And I absolutely deserved to be fired. You're younger than me. It made me feel threatened. I, you gotta understand, I've been in this business a long time. And I feel like my positions are dropping every show I get on. I go to a lower and lower position. And I used to be running shows. And now I'm not. And, and that fucks with your ego when you're 59 years old and you see a 36 year old kid come in and he's now your boss. So I just want to say that imparting that that's why that happened. And I went, that all makes sense. And he was like, yeah. And he's like, you know, obviously, I understand that I'm fired. I would love to my job back. You know, I have a family, but if you stay with me being fired, I can understand, you know, I want me on the set. But I had to say that to let you know that I, I fucked up and I wouldn't be a man if I didn't tell you this. I was like, dude, you got your job back. I was like, that's what you could have just said that there. The fact that you said that is all that matters to me. Like, I just felt like you were talking shit behind my back. And then you say all these things that, yeah, that all I thought was one day, I'm going to be 59. And I'm going to watch students come up and it's going to threaten me. And I'm going to feel fucking a certain type of way about it. And I, but now you have a reference. And can I tell you what's crazy? This guy has crushed it after this show. He went on to produce shows. And he ran, like fucking the DIY network. He ran like their top shows. And he just, he was just in a spot. And he was in a spot. And you see, and like, I love that I love that I don't want to hate any better. And I, and but there's so many parts of him that feel like he wouldn't like you, you know. And then when you hear this, you go, oh, he would like you. Yeah, he would, and his wife would like me a lot. Yeah, because he's so cool. You know, you think, oh, he's too cool to like me. Do you think that like, I never felt like you guys got that. Like you guys felt like you, I always felt like you guys were approachable. I always felt like, uh, I always felt like Papa Roach is approachable. I felt like incubus was approachable. Those are great guys. The best guys incubus are the best guys, Papa Roach, the best guys. I don't know what it is. We're, yeah, we're the same. I think Brandon, you would just love because he's so sensitive. He's so thoughtful. And he's just like exactly what you think when you listen to incubus, he's just cool as shit. And actually very positive, very positive. I don't think he would understand even hear it. If you were trying to talk shit about something to him, he would just be like, that's an interesting perspective. You know, like, like he's just like really like smart to present. Yeah. Zen. Do you think my generation got the best generation of music of music and I mean, think about my generation. So I'm 53. I'm a little bit more. We're in it because I got. Yes. I got. No, you were. I told you that when I, like you guys defined me moving to New York. That was that moment. 2000. Oh, 99. I moved to New York in 97. I left in 2000. And I lived out here. I was out here during September 11. But that whole, I count that a whole era 97 to 2004 as like my sweet spot for us. That was my, that was like when, that was when you still had album sales. You still bought CDs. Yeah. You guys still made money. Tours were fucking crazy. Uh, I got to live through Michael Jackson. Yeah. I got to live through NWA, two live crew, Pearl Jam Nirvana, the fucking what we'll just call the MTV generation of music, which was like, I mean, they used to do those. I, what was it called now? What or now? That's what I call music. Yeah. And I mean, and then, you know, you could put that on beginning to end and every song was a banger. And you'd be like, I don't like this band. Oh, it doesn't matter. It's a fucking greatest song I've ever heard. Yeah. I mean, and then like, Korn came and like Green Day and then Blank and then us and, and, and, you know, it was a good time. It was a great time. I think it was raw. It was a good time. And I think everybody, if you think back, was all just a bunch of kids. Everyone was. No idea what they were doing. But it's like so crazy now to make money as a grown-up and not know what I'm doing to have made it at 22 years old to go like, what are we supposed to do with? I mean, how do you still have money? Like, you must say it's good question. Wait, how do you guys sell money? Like, it's like, I know you do because I've Googled your networks. But like, but like, how does that, like, how does that happen? If you're not, you don't come from generational wealth. No. Who was the right person in your corner? Each other. Was that it? Yeah. Yeah. That was it. That was it. Well, you know, we were, we were blessed with the, we were really blessed. that have the experience of saying okay the one thing we got to make sure that we don't do is is ever be broke again. Because we were bored. So the only the other thing is too is we never stop working. So if it doesn't matter how what levels of success you have because you're only going to see the Instagram feed or something right like you're only going to see you remember the hit but all the working between still amounts to something. So you don't have to always be on top you don't always have to have a hit. And our and ours were kind of spread out a little bit too. You know, we like there were plenty of misses that made you really appreciate get back do the work and I think we just always said hey we could be you know we could be working construction right now and we have friends who are right now and that's way harder than what we're doing. So when we have to get annoyed because you know there's some tricky things out there to navigate especially like when you and Nicole got together and that was a whole different time and then you know you're navigating just trying to have a family and then you go and do these kind of like radio interviews with you know whoever the morning personality is and all day it's like you're like you are not walking in with an agenda to try and like you know and so those little things you kind of get used to it. Listen we're we also always said to each other like man we wrote lifestyles of the rich and famous like we if you don't want it we'll take it we still feel that way we still we still feel like every day we just remind each other like hey it's your real job this yeah and and if you treat it like a real job then the bad the things that anyone consider like oh that's a loss you say no still take it it's a job it's a job it's a job you know so so I think the the thing that we never stopped doing was we never stopped working. I feel like I don't know what I do if I stopped working. Now we didn't just go and go nuts yeah we but we were thoughtful about it like we said hey we played arenas but also like we're not going to backtrack right we're going to wait we're going to wait we're going to say okay well if that's not where we're at then let's work on this thing over here so you start a company we there's do we're pretty good at real estate pretty good at like just saving and investing and doing like mutual funds and things like that pretty good at like just building over time also the crazy thing that I always tell young people is like I'm 47 so when I was 27 20 years ago if if you just start saving you'll actually be all right just put a little aside every year yeah and like and be conscious of it and then you get better and better it kind of works and it kind of works and like there's crazy yeah yeah and then also when you get married there's two of you and if you work together and you're a team it's you can go even further and I also have a few I'll try to be smart and work hard I don't know if it's a theory because I don't really have it worked out but I never ever cared about money I just had this conversation with my wife like if it sounds like a bad idea I won't do it but if it sounds like fun and it feels like it's going to enrich my life somehow I'm not going to worry about it too much you know so I think like and also if we're just doing this if we're thinking about oh I hope we make this record and I hope we make a bunch of money the records I don't think it's going to be as good if we just make the record because we're excited with the tour and we just have faith I just have this weird feeling that it's all going to work out and everybody's going to eat so I just feel like at the end of the day and me and my wife say this like when we're making a decision or doing something that sounds fun right it's just like it's all about being a family having an experience and at the end of the day she comes from nothing too we always just say like what's we and don't try to keep up with anyone else like living the house you can live in and love the house like I like my house I don't live anyone else house that's how I feel about every house that I've had and each house has gotten better and now I feel like we're in our forever house we're at the right age but also don't pretend like I'm not living the dream I also don't pretend like I am I'm definitely living my dream I've got a beautiful like my dream was to be married and have a family and have it be but also have it be peaceful can I ask you a question I ask this to Lee end of the day and I'll tell you her answer after you answer I was listening to something and it said do you feel like your life's gotten better every year yeah do you feel like your life's gotten better every year consistently beyond beyond I couldn't I couldn't even like I guess you say how long you've been with your wife 24 years don't you feel like the last I would say maybe like 10 it get like we're 20 years this year we've been together the last seven have we hit some spot where it's like just I never thought it could be this good it gets okay so it gets better in my opinion it gets better I will say that I think we are having more fun than we've ever had I laugh I laugh with her harder than I've ever laughed and she's induced there is a shorthand where we're like twins where we don't even need to communicate where she can get me to laugh at myself when I'm in a bad mood and we're in a great place however my wife said and I didn't realize it until this weekend we were at Isla's college and my wife got there and she started cleaning her house I was not I went for a jog and fucking listen to Lou Reed and my wife started cleaning Isla's house top to bottom and then started making biscuits and sausage and sausage and gravy and then eggs there were only one person in this house and my wife made maybe 20 biscuits she goes well she'll freeze them and then I went and then she looked at me and she goes this was the happiest I ever was I said what she goes when I was a mom she goes I'll never be happier than I was when those girls were at home and I was doting on them she goes this she goes everything I'm not not happy but nothing compares she is that's what I was the best that I was like yeah I can't lie you were the best she was she she excels I think that's where Nicole's the happiest too yeah I think that's where I see her like shine yeah like that's where she's all this other shit she could give a fuck about literally she's working she is happy with and and we're going through that like my daughter's 18 she just graduated high school my son 16 he's got two years left we're seeing it like we're just trying to hold on as long as we can and they're also like full grown and you're like kind of friends too you're you kind of just like and it's like we're really lucky because we got to watch that we got to watch you know you got the wisdom and and watching that currently says enough use or amazing people his kids are amazing people we're watching the products of like you know actually being connected and caring and like I think we're definitely really lucky because we've already seen how fast the kids grow up and so I think we're getting to enjoy it like more than most people because like it is but both of us have said like we're not going to let anything about our lives or our jobs steal it from us so we're just going to be in it and we're just going to enjoy and we are we're like having a ball and and I still wonder if I'm like you do you know you're doing a good job you know I always call him and I'll be like every I always tell him like every dad every guy is asking himself the same question like with my daughter it was so it's like it's like I immediately like you just want to protect them and and then you have little boys and you're and and you know it's like my dad wasn't around as much and I so I'm one I just want to do a great job I want to be one of your best friends and you know like two you know so Joe's like dude just just show up yeah he's like dude you're thinking that way so that's a nice thing to be able to have to it's like someone to call be like am I doing a good job you always wonder if you're doing a good job I'm my parenting is so bad I today I was like I think that I don't know if my daughter's smoking weed or not but I know they live in a state where they get Delta nine yeah I was like don't fucking trust I don't trust Delta nine I don't know what it is and I don't know I think it's like if it's legal in a state that is where marijuana is illegal I feel like it's gas station weed like and I know right now I'm I'm sending Reddit through the roof because there's like Delta nine it bro it's medicine whatever it's Delta nine marijuana they've taken out one of the psychoactive I don't I don't know but I woke up this morning and I was still a parent but a fucked up parent and I was like I'm gonna start sending her ounces of weed so that she can smoke real weed California weed as opposed to Delta nine shit organic and then I was like I I don't even know she smokes weed but I don't want her smoking Delta nine yeah so I was like I'm gonna I should have left fucking edibles there I should have left something what the fuck took a care package and then and then I'm like you know what I'm gonna be I'm gonna I'm gonna have my assistant run a fucking ounce of weed to her and her for college friends and then I'm like what am I doing across state lines oh I'm just kidding yeah right so you never stop being a parent and I and I think that it I mean I'd go back to wow the young ages are so fun it is it's the best but where you are right now is all the graduation shit it's fun all the and 16 16 was rough for us, but for both of those kids, my kids were fucking lunatics. And then they go to college, oh, and then you go to like fucking go to college with your kids, or not. They're kind of like, you know, way like you don't you do, sometimes you want them to be, you don't want them just to get walked on. You know, you want them to be a little bit, a little bit like crazy, you know, like you don't want them to just get stepped all over. Yeah. I don't know if that. Well, do you want your kids to, do you want your kids to be? There's a weird question. Do you want your kids to be poor? No. No, I want them to be happy and I want them to be, but like without being poor. No, I disagree. No, I'll tell you why. I want them to know, I think that there's, I think that obviously there's a perspective that we get to have, but how, if we, if we, if we, if we don't know how that we work for it, but, but, but, but, but also, but also if, but if you, but if you, no one's saying that's being honest, dude, that's bullshit. The nepothe thing is bullshit. There's plenty of kids who grow with money that are, that couldn't figure shit out with, that are assholes. There's plenty of kids. I know that grow with money that are the hardest working people I know. It's just a, who knows why? Maybe it's parenting. Maybe it's something else. I don't know. I don't, I don't want my kids to be ashamed of the family. They come from. Yeah. I don't want my kids to be impressed by anything and I also don't want anyone to be able to buy them. Like, you know what I mean? They impress like, Hey, you know, come with me. I'll buy you, you know, take my, my name or whatever and I'll like, no, I, so I just want my kids to be themselves and they met one of them may want to go off to some place and do and be of service to people in building wells or if I'll be so happy if that's what they, or they may want to be an entertainment or they want to may want to be, I don't know, like whatever makes them happy. I'm not trying to tell them who to be. I'm also, this is your family. I also think it's zero chance that we're going to get everything right. And so at the end of the day, whatever their car zero chance, so they're all going to be in fire talking about something. Our karma is that we had to do whatever our situation was and our parents did the best they could. Yeah. And on the shoulders, trying to do better with what we got and our kids are going to end up having their challenges like whatever they are. And they're going to have to, they're at some point, everyone has to decide if they're going to like get up and try. There's no experts, man. It's funny. I used to have a bit that I was working on that, I mean, I will tell you the whole joke, because it's a little aggressive, but the premise is that you practice on your own kids. You don't get a practice kid. No. You should and so that you can, but you shouldn't have to do it on the one thing, your favorite thing. Like no one learns how to drive, learns how to drive in a Porsche, but that we're all practicing to drive in Porsches. And it's our favorite thing. And we don't know how to drive a stick yet. And we're just grinding gears on this infant who's like, you're not supposed to hold me upside down that. You're like, I didn't know that. I remember I held George upside down a lot and I think that's why she is. Our first car we had to go to our uncle who lived in Virginia, great guy. He always had cars in his yard, and he had all kinds of cars. And so our first car, he was like, we needed a car, was there a one in our first car, second car. Second car. So it was a Ford Tempo. It was a stick. Primer Gray. Primer Gray. And he said, he said, yeah, I got a car for you all, just a 600 bucks, and we went over there not knowing how to drive a stick with the license plates that were on it in the yard, drove it back to the registration, no insurance, and learned how to drive a stick on the way home. And then that's our parenting, yeah, that car lasted about four months, so we literally left it on the side of the road for 600 bucks, never insured, never died. And who knows where that thing is? Well this has been fucking awesome guys, I'm so glad, it is bizarre. It is bizarre, because I can visualize your music videos in my head, I can see them. And I remember, I think I remember seeing one of your cribs, I remember that cribs was so important to me. I love cribs. It was so, I mean, I think I've lived a lot of my life. When I bought my forever house, I said to my team, I was like, I think I'm going to do like a cribs reveal at my house, and they're like, I think that's coming on. And I was like, no, no, no, it'll be cool, and they're like, no, no one wants to see how much money you have anymore. And I was like, wait, but nobody's at my house, don't you want to see like a cribs where I live? And they're like, they don't do it anymore. And they're like cultures. Yeah, that's not where culture's at. And I was like, and then I got embarrassed to my house and I wouldn't post anything around it now. I don't give a fuck. But do you collect anything? Oh hats. Yeah, hats. Okay. I did sneakers for a second, because I feel like showing people your collection. I feel like everybody would want to see that. Can I tell you what I want to get into? What? Lighters. Lighters. I just saw this post last night. We collect a lot of stuff. What do you? Okay. So wait, there's a perfect way to end. So. One piece. We collect one piece. Actually, brought. Actually, because I just just got back from Taiwan. I went to Taiwan for two nights, not even two nights. He bought one of the rarest cards in the world. I bought one of only four, one of the rarest one piece cards in the world. I can start off from the beginning. Okay. One piece. Okay. So one piece is a Japanese manga. It's a comic anime, and it's the most successful in the world. It's like the longest running with the same heart as the highest selling comic in the world. Oh, I know. One piece. Was this one Netflix? Yeah. I did a live action show. And so the one piece card game is actually, is it the biggest card game in the world? It's one of the most played card game thinking, thinking like the Pokemon verse, like in the Pokemon world. Like, this is similar to that. So we back it up. When do you guys get introduced to anime? I'm really collecting Pokemon with my son. Really? We started getting really into it. And then he, he was into one piece. We started collecting the cards in 2022. And then it's a rabbit hole. And I, so then I joined up with them and I started collecting the vintage one piece, which it came out in the late 90s in the early 2000s, but it was kind of overlooked. And so these are, these are vintage one piece cards. That's a tournament winner, very rare card. That's a luffy, rookie, and ghost rookie from 2005. Yeah. Those cards are from 2005. So you flew to want to want Taiwan to, to, to want to, I get that. So I did not bring, I did not bring, I didn't bring the card. I got in Taiwan. I'll show you, I can show you a video of it, but, um, but I documented it though. I'm going to do something with it. I'm going to put it out. Those are from 2005, very scarce, kind of like that tournament card. Maybe there's 10 of them. Yeah. And then that luffy rookie card is probably, there's probably like, ever made probably a 150. Yeah. Something like that. Graded probably like 30. I think this is a graded pretty high 9.5. Yeah, yeah. Back at 9.5. High grade. I'm, I'm happy with for vintage. That's really high. But wait, how much would this, this card cost? I'd say, so one of the, what a CGC 10 of that Zoro just sold for 50 K, but that's, that's a PSA 10. So I don't know. I think that's probably 150. Yeah. I'd say that's $150,000 card. Yeah. That, that, that luffy, and that luffy, you can't break them. This is easily, this is easily like a probably 20 or 30,000 mark, maybe more or yet. And so, and so the value is determined, like, I know that I met the guy that has the Jake Paul necklace. Yeah. Yeah. The neck. I saw, I saw that as a fight. AJ. Yeah. And both the card. $16 million illustrator card. Yeah. That's like a, that's a, that's a comparable to some of these cards. Well, one day what these will probably be, but we just love the characters and the art. And, I mean, we have the biggest, probably the biggest vintage one piece collection in the world, probably. Really? Yeah. I would say we're content for that. Yeah. Holy cow. Now, do you enjoy the show? Love it. Yeah. Okay. So you could love the characters. And we love collecting. I think anyone who got into it, it's like this, it's like something like, you know, so it says, yeah, why is everyone into that? And then if you watch it, you'll get into it. But here's the thing. My son's been collecting, we've been collecting for since he was probably like seven. And like his collection is serious. Like, and it's not like you paid a ton of money. But I brought this because I was going to tell you about my trip to Taiwan. And I was like, what are we going to talk about? And I was like, well, maybe I'll tell him about Taiwan. So you got on a plane to find a Taiwan to get those cards to get, yeah, to get those cards. This is cool with it. She knows like how much we put into it. Wow. I want to be into something. Yeah. I don't have anything. I was one of them. Because it's the hunt more. It's more the hunt than actually just having it. You know, like actually, I actually don't have anything you want to let me travel for to like get the thing like, you say, lighters, maybe I get into how about lighters like with provenance? What's that? Like someone owned it. Oh, well, I'm into like, I'm into some famous people. Like, I, there's, there's like, I'm fascinated by Winston Churchill. Yeah. Yeah. JC Penny is a huge inspiration to me because he lost everything and then gained it back. I find, I find, I'm going to be a little bit more interesting. Historical figures very fascinating. That's where we got our school clothes JC Penny. Yeah, yeah, I get an outfit a new outfit. The JC Penny catalog ultimately is Amazon Yeah, it's kind of did you remember the wish book? No, the JC Penny wish book was the Christmas catalog every year at it would circle Everything we wanted in there. We never got it But we would you could really collect Churchill Very collectible. So I have I'm Jimmy Buffett Bert Reynolds Winston Churchill real fucking diverse guy. Yeah, and Basically, and you have what? I don't collect anything like I have watches like I buy watches Like but I I'm in to I only wear a couple as a matter of fact I went well I well I lian As today I went and I've had this one watch that I had the other night on and I took it off because I was like I'm gonna wear a different watch today and lian goes, well, but Benji clicks watch you got to wear a nice watch and I went Okay, and she goes, well, you only I mean, it's just that one and I went you're right and then I was like I have one watch I've never worn and I was gonna wear it, but it's a left-handed watch and so it's so hard for me to wear But like watches I don't really have any hobbies Watches are a bit tougher too because if you can't just go around buying watches every week where it's like a trading card You can you can get trading cards like you can find deals. Yeah, you can get you can get them for Ten bucks. You can get them for a hundred bucks. So you can get them for 10,000 the greatest thing about collecting I think it's really healthy Okay, it's like it's a hunt and like we now we're what think about it. You're you're married You have kids you show up for everybody. You're not gonna Do any you're not gonna put that energy into something that diminishes all that so you put it in something healthy like You know watches are an example, but I think like collecting something that's actually I think watches are fun to collect But how many you're not gonna get any watch every week. Yeah, I think something that's regularly in your life that you can sort of collect I think it's really healthy. I do have a crazy hat collection. Yeah, yeah, I by the way, I got some Oh, did you yeah, they're fucking great because they fit right they're Cuz they fit right. Yes, I actually want I actually want to hit them up and see if they'll do some designs for me. Yes, they will Which one am I wearing right now? No, cuz I like I'm picky about my designs. They my dog type in the Macat my dog Mac died And they did a Mac cat for him. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, they did it. See if you can find they're very cool They were very nice. We're talking about the clink room. They're really great. Yeah, I got to get into something collecting No, what's your favorite thing? I mean, is your favorite thing movies is a TV. It's history history. Okay, so what about historical documents? Or historical items? I have a grail. I have grail. I Like antiques and I like You know things like that, but if you think about there is that there's a hat That's a great. Also, we also have it in here great. That's a great hat Great hat. Yeah, that's really sweet. What size are you eight? Okay? I have the biggest fucking head Seven and one source. Are you really? I'm looking my my daughter's boyfriend has a size eight head And I was like do you like hats and he was like I love hats and I was like I'll send you a couple and then it's like we'll send you a thousand Yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll get in I was I would I would like to get like Historical like when people have a state sales like when burrennels died Mm-hmm. I know some guys that like went and bought some of his ties. Yeah Maybe I got it. It's it's interesting because then you start just like hunting So if you were like, you know what I like these people. I want to I'm gonna find letters Don't force it. Let it let it emerge. So we just do your wives collect anything? um I mean my wife collects books Which is not like I'm that interesting to me And then she collects like vintage stuff like clothing and jewelry like serious like she she hunts for unique rare Like vintage clothing and jewelry. That's her thing and she's very good at it like she finds Stuffed it by the way not expensive most of the time and sometimes she'll find something that's expensive and she'll tell me why and and I'll get it But like most of the time she just finds some cool rare unique like real thing from us a different time That was just made better than anything in this time Yeah He's collecting fun, man. Yeah, I but well, I know that searching is like I was trying to explain to my assistant that That part of the fun thing about being a man is getting into something and then getting into something and then deep diving it like Yeah, like I was saying I the I was a straight Rolex guy and then my wife got me a Cartier Watch and I didn't understand it. I almost worked today. I but I didn't understand it at first. It's the Cartier I forget the guy's name. It's not the tank. It's the other guy Yeah, and they and I I read about it and this watch was Built around the turn of the century for the first guy flying planes He was friends with Cartier and he was like I have a hard time pulling out my pocket watch as I'm flying with one hand I need the other hand and you don't say put it on your wrist and then that's how you got the watch and then I was like Yeah, and so I was like, oh wow and then I started getting into like Deep diving. Why watches are what they are and I started listening to podcasts and I was like Cartier Santos Santos the Santos and so I find that interesting, but you're right It's like and and I'm ready to understand this. I talked to Shannon Sharp about this I didn't talk to you about this. The first watch he bought is the one he remembers more than any because he had to save for it And then now he was like I was like what's what would you buy recently because I don't know if I want to watch I just buy it. So then all of a sudden it's like the collecting the hunt is the thing. I so I'm I don't do that I'm very very picky about the watches. I buy it. It's not because like oh, that's the big baller watch Yeah, so I don't buy every watch I get offered or I get like, you know, I'm really picky I always have to attach it to some life event. Yeah, so I mean I got offered a sick watch in London. Yeah, I couldn't it wasn't I just it doesn't like for me. I have to either have accomplished something or have a life event that I can and then I do And so I know I'm funny about I'm just funny about it because I also know that I'm probably gonna turn that guy off He's not gonna offer me another watch and I just go. I'm just not gonna buy a watch because I feel like I'm supposed to I almost I almost bought a watch the other day from that guy because he sent me a couple pictures and I was like Well, I may want to buy a watch on the line to buy a watch now and then I was like we I don't wanna I mean you know what though The cool guys like I had a guy that I he he was like everybody wants to get a watch from and it's a really you know It's really You know big deal and I just told him he he offered me some watches and I was like, hey, can I be honest with you? I don't want to buy a watch just to get the watch I want So I but I'm happy to like wow But I but and he said oh you know what no one's ever said it to me before like and he was like I really appreciate that And I was like I'm happy to wait as long as I have to in fact it actually It makes it better because it's an expensive watch and I know exactly why I wanted to get it And I had it in my brain and I was like it doesn't have to be tomorrow like and um and then um yeah It waited like almost two years. Have you guys been in therapy or something? Yeah God you guys seem so fucking regular Mm-hmm so you have you been in therapy? Oh, yeah I love therapy. I love therapy, but yeah, but collect something. I think it's really fun. Yeah, it's fun Also to be in a group of collectors. Sometimes I collect employees. Yeah Feel like I heard them all laugh If they want to say that's what we are you a collection just a collection I just started getting Asian ones. It's pretty cool. Yeah It's kind of exotic. It's really great if you're I don't know how to respond to that Sandra come on out Oh, uh, I appreciate how you're doing this. This has been a fucking awesome. Thank you We got to start a three-way chat thread now. I never got your number and I was gonna say I didn't want to ask for your number on the end But then I was like that's weird. Yeah, and then I was like I DM dude like like I was trying to get your pants Then I was I actually sent you my number, but I delete but at then before I sent it I deleted it I was like maybe he will think uh No, you know what I I as soon as I I didn't think about the I don't I don't ever I'm never replying in my DMs. It's my assistance They apply it replying my deals. Oh, no, it was me. Oh, it was you if it was me that means that I I was about to have whatever I say okay, because like I read wrong sometimes yeah Yeah, yeah, and then I and it bothers me that I do that so I just stopped because like I overthink a DM and then I'll be like Just comes out weird and then so I but if I reply That means that I trust that you understand me. Yeah, then I go. Oh, this is really burnt Yeah, but yeah, and then I was like I was like I should ask for his number. I was like that's crazy And then I was like I'm back. Well now we have now. We'll have each other's numbers We can collect stuff golf like golf. Yeah, we win. Let's do it. We'll bring Cowork and do in junior. Oh be awesome The dream round. Yeah And then and then and tell him I don't know who he is And be like you know his visions really off. So just tell him you're a dad Then I'll tell him show how is it and we can shoot it be a skit. Yeah, love you, Kyle. Love you, Kyle. Hey, the tour in November, you're going to Stockholm, Munich, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam, Paris, London, Manchester, fucking Justin, November, this summer in August, US, come to the BMO show if you're around. Yeah, if you're around, BMO Stadium in August 30th, August 30th. I am around. Yeah, come out. Oh, hold on, you know, my daughter's 100% want to go. Oh, come. Well, you guys will be, it'll be, it'll be so much fun. All right. And, and the rest of the summer tour anywhere in the US, if you see a show, come play, come play around a golf and, yeah, all summer long, we're on tour in the US. It's going to be great. You got to see, and that's when you really watch my wife operate because she goes to a tour. First thing she does goes to Merchbus, see how's run, see how it's all set up. She starts running in sessions. Then she starts walking around the back, checking back to house. Then she's like, all right, let me go see their catering. We want all right. Let me check the tour buses. Nice. Three tour buses. Five semas. Okay. I know what that prize point is. All right. Let me six stage. I like stage nice. Let me talk to the door manager. Hey, how you doing with time you guys wheels up tonight? My wife is, she'll have full run of the place. She can really go in and make notes and give us feedback. Oh, she will. And the event. He had to say is bring some biscuits. Good. And the event. Seven fold guys are amazing guys. It's, it's a, you guys will love that. That backstage is chill. It's good family. It's random. I say this, but my daughter in her house at college on the, on the guest bathroom downstairs in their apartment or in their, their duplex, they have an avenged seven fold poster on that door. And I saw it all weekend, this weekend. And I was like, and I was like, wow, I wonder, I wonder when she's got, look, she gets in it. She's, she really likes, Ila, Ila, if she hadn't had a father in the business, would absolutely be in the business. She takes actress or a musician or something, but she absolutely, like when she was in ninth grade, she was like, Hey, do you really know slipknot? I was like, huh? She was like, you know, five finger death punch. And I was like, wait, you're not supposed to know these bands. It's just different generation. She was like, oh, and then as she got older, her taste in music has just gotten more like, and then I'll, and then I'll, I'll try to turn her on to something I think she'll like. Is she like, not for me? No, yeah. And I'm like, fuck. That's cool. And then she'll be turning you on the stuff. Never. All right. Guys, thank you for doing this. Thanks, you. This episode was brought to you by The Machine.