# 723 - Russell Dickerson Bet Everything on “Yours”

I gotta be really candid and I hope Jesse hears this. I hope he listens to this with his wife. Our wives were somewhat sensible to believe in our careers. His wife had a really fucking roll the dice on faith for sure. His wife is a fucking saint. Do you know how many times they would have to go to parties and they'd be like, "So Jesse, what are you up to these days?" And he's like, and she's like, "Ah, here we go." And he's like, "Well, you know Savannah?" (upbeat music) By the way, I'm the healthiest I've ever fucking been. Yeah, you look great. Oh, thank you very much. You always look great. But you drink. I do. But how often do you drink? I'm currently not though. Really? You look good. Thank you. You look good. You look like almost you got a glam over. I can tell. Yeah, like I can tell in photos. Like, oh yeah, I'm really out drinking. Not drinking, for sure. It's been six weeks. It's been six weeks. Two weeks and I had a drink. Wait, can I ask you a crazy question? Did you grow up in Union City? Born. Born there, we till I was 10. Okay, yeah. I only know one dude from Union City who's in my fraternity. I'm shocked that you know one. Trent Jones. Trent Jones. Trent Jones. He showed up in our fraternity. We tried to keep up with them. He the Jones is. We tried. In Union City. He married my ex-girlfriend. Dang. I mean, I got to tell you this. I think they still live in Union City. I think they moved back to Union City. Wow. Yeah, but he was the coolest guy. He was a guy from Union City who moved to Tallahassee to go to Florida State. Yeah. Rusted fraternity by himself. Okay. Had a mustache in a mullet in 1991. That's a real one. A mustache in a mullet. Like that's real one. And dip Copenhagen. Like had Union City baby and he introduced me to all country music was through Trent Jones. We became different. We were pledge brothers. Yeah, we were always good friends. We almost got in a fist fight one night. Our buddy, our buddy died. And we're both drunk and we were angry. Yeah. And he said, and you know how like actors talk shit. Like guys, like I feel like you probably been in a few fights. Not many. Not many. Like are you the guy, are you big enough, but you're big enough where you could talk your way out of it where you've used to talk loud enough, everyone's like never mind. I don't want to. Yeah, I can threaten enough to deescalate real quick. You look like a tank. But once punches start flying, I'm out. I'm out. I've been punched so many times. Yeah. I've been punched. And I never think anyone's going to throw a punch. Yeah. That's the biggest difference between me and the rest of the world is I always think we're not going to punch each other, right? When you're not going to punch back, right? Oh, I'm never going to throw a punch. I've thrown one punch in my life, I think. Oh, I see what you're getting. And he said to me, I'd be great if I said she'd looked at me. And was like, can't believe you hit me. No, she grabbed my hair. He said to me, why did you hit me? And I went, because you're talking shit, he's like, but you hit me. And I went, oh, fuck. I feel like bad. Do you ever feel like you're misrepresented by your height and your size and your body? Yeah. Because you really are a sensitive guy. I am. I'm a tender. I'm a tender gentleman. No, you're really. I'm a jelly green giant. But can I tell you, I'm curious of about a lot of things. Because it comes out in your music. I think it's just. I feel like you write, you can't help. I'm okay. Let me see how I can unpack this. You can't pick your fans. You're just talking about that downstairs. Just bring the coffee's in. Yeah. And I'm certain there's probably times where you feel like you get pigeonholed as like a ballad guy or like a love song guy. But the truth of, and I'm sure you go, dude, I'd love to have like a, like a fucking, I mean, you have some banger bangers, but you go, maybe I'd like to be a little more like, like, I don't know, I couldn't guess who, but you do write love very well, but also you are wildly in love with your wife totally. And, and I, I'm saying from my perspective, I always wanted to be the edgy fucking dude. Did you hear what Bert said? Yeah. And then I look at my fans and they're, they all look like me. They're all married. Yeah. I say the littlest thing. Like my wife and I were on Instagram in bed together and I watch people go, well, we do that. And you're like, oh, that's not my act though. Right. But you can speak to it. Yeah. But it's who resonates with you. Yeah. So I just tried, because like, I don't release the songs, but like, I wish, I mean, I've got a few like ram bunks and you came out on stage for, it's about time for a drink, you know, like, that's, I do have the fun party, but I'm not, it's not like the, she broke my heart, whiskey, whiskey, poor dinner, no, no, my heart whiskey, you know what I mean? Like, I just, like, that's just, I can't relate in that way, you know? And it's, I did have, like, ballad ballad early on, like yours and yours is, yours is such a, we were talking about this before the started comics come in knowing what stories are going to tell kind of, to podcasts and you're in the situation where people always want you to retell the same stories of, like, of, like, it's pretty, I mean, about yours. It's such a great, I mean, yeah. We have the same wife. Exactly. Yeah, except I'm yelling at mine, telling her how to shoot it and yours is yelling at you. Yes, telling you how to shoot it. Exactly. Yeah. So, Christine, who doesn't know the story? Yes. And only for everyone this thing, because this is, before you are, who you are today, it is an amazing song and your wife says, we're going to blow this shit up, yes. Like, and hearing this song, I'm kind of jumping two steps ahead, but please, I was like, I have this song. If this is not a hit song, then, like, I think I got to be done. If I'm like, was that your first album? First, yeah. Three bangers on that that are, like, fucking, tear away. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, I had, we had this song called Yours, and no, but, I mean, we went to every label two times three times over, like, we played them Yours, Blue Tacoma, and every little thing. My first three number ones, and everybody was like, now, now, now, now, no, nobody would sign me, dude. And so, it just got to the point where, like, what the frick are we going to do? Like, I was like, I was down in the dumps, like, how does that happen? You check all the boxes, I mean, like, you're, you check all the boxes in my, you have famous friends. You've grown up with famous, but you know some famous people in the business. You're, you're not a bad kid. You have no, you're, you've fallen love with your wife. You're married. You're not. Maybe that was it. Maybe I was already married. And they're like, you have no sex appeal to anyone in America. But which was true, but no, I don't know. It's just like, I don't know, but like, you're not a prophet in your own hometown. You ever heard that saying? I think that's a biblical saying, but like, oh, you know what I mean, like, you're not respected in your own home. I grew up in Nashville, like, there were industry people in and out of my church, that my dad's church that we went to, and you know what I mean, like, there was, so I was like, I'll tap tap. Little Russell's trying to do the thing, maybe. You know what I mean? Yeah, that makes my friends when they see me, they're like, you're still doing the same stories, huh? And I go, well, they're, I'm, yeah, but they're like, no, it's the same bird. You haven't changed. No, they're good, but they haven't changed since ninth grade, sure. And it's the truth. I would, I would tell a story the same, I have the same tricks to a story that I've been using my whole fucking life, almost to an extent, like, I do this thing that's really bad. it's still in this next hour. So am I so that I'm using the same references that I've been using my whole life. Like I love to call someone stupid and then use the name of someone stupid to call them by that. And so then I'm all of a sudden I'm like listen radio and then and but I and I've been doing this ninth grade. So yeah, keep going. Yeah. So that I mean, I don't know every label, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And just like from the bottom, my wife is like, she's like screw this dude. It's like we're going to go shoot a music video for this song. I don't know what it's going to be. We're just going to walk down this road. I'm going to shoot out the back. Like please God help in any way that you possibly can. And this is put this I always say this because I'm sure there's a woman listening to this who's got dreams and hopes and aspirations of something in her life. Not a man. I don't believe men want to listen to this show anymore. Just a woman. This woman fucking hit me up. She was like, you know, I listen to the show and you always said like I will you always talk to guys. Yeah. But so there's a woman who's driving a forklift right now who's listening to this to bless her. Bless her. Bless you are. And she's Adrian. And she's saying she's saying, but I don't have the kind of money to shoot a video like that. Like yours. Exactly. So here, let me let me inspire you a dream on a forklift listening right now. We had we didn't either. My wife had a camera from college. She took people's pictures, head shots, everything. We go out to this back road and open up the back hatch of my 2004 Nissan Armada with 193,000 miles on it. And we just start shooting. Like I'm walking down the road. It's very simple. And we're literally like praying for a miracle because nobody's hearing these songs. And like, oh, wow, yeah, let's sign him. Yeah. or like, dude, we're gonna make this happen. We're gonna do this on our own. So go out, this thunderstorm like comes in behind me, like a massive tornado warnings are going off in Nashville, thunderstorm rolls in, lightning's flashing, all real, lightning's flashing behind me. It starts pouring down, right? I have chills just retelling this. It's pouring down rain and I'm just pouring my heart out to my wife behind the camera. My buddy's driving like four miles an hour with the Oxford plug then and that was our music video. It's so fucking, it's so beautiful. It's like Chris Isaac, like black and white. There's points where you're wet, you're dry, it's fucking incredible and all I could think was, dude. Thank God he met her. Yeah, 100%. If you had some dimbo who's like, I wanna be in it. Yeah, yeah. She's like, can I be a, how come you're always this star? I have the same fucking wife. You know, I told the end today you were coming and she goes, I've been, his wife just reached out. I need, I mean to get back to her. And it's funny, we married the same type of person who shows love by being of service to that person. 100% and like that's their calling. It's you, it's y'all's together now. It's ours together now. Fun fact though, you mentioned black and white. We had to flip it to black and white because the break lights, every time they hit the break lights, it was just like, you know what I mean? Like bright red, and you're like, very obviously walking behind a shitty car that you just blasted me with red lights. Good therapy though. Wait, how did you meet your wife? Belmont University. We were, we were both in the music school. Amazing vocalist by the way, she has a beautiful voice. A voice of an angel. We had the same like voice. She helped you write, she helped you write on your newest album. Famous back home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, I do a little research, not a lot. That's right. I do a little research. She, that was her, that was her whole idea. Like she's that, that kind of concept. She sees the whole picture play out. She's like, we're gonna do the photo shoot in our actual front yard, you know, like terrible shrubbery. Like who cares, like we're not, who cares? And so the whole photo shoot, the whole album was based just in our, actually, we're renting the house right now. It's a rental house with just terrible landscaping and patchy grass and we shot everything there. But famous back home was, yeah, that was completely her idea and I took it to my go to writers and, you know, they know me, they know our kids and we just told the story of being famous back home. Sweet, so you guys are in college together? Same vocal studio, we had the same teacher and everything and we were dating other people. So we were like all kind of in this tiny little friend group and then all of a sudden, you know, they broke up, we broke up and then we're just like found ourselves hanging out all the time. Hanging out, going to the flea market. We made out at a graduation party and then it was just like, puff off, I mean, it was pretty much often. We broke up for like a month, but other than that, it was just like, okay, this is it. We pull up Belmont College, Belmont University. Where is that Nashville? It's in Nashville. Is it in Nashville proper? Yep, really. Yeah, it's like right across from Vandy. Oh, wait, I must know that place. A private Christian university. It's so changed. But yeah, big entertainment school, like music business and music performance and law, music law, everything. Is it hard to say that you want to be into music, like in especially in a place like Nashville, where it feels like everyone says to everybody? Is it hard? Like, because like, I remember the day I had to say I was a comedian. I wasn't a comedian. I said I was a comedian for a long time before I was a comedian. I was like, I'm a comedian. People are like, oh, really? Do I have you seen it? Can you tell me a joke? I was like, oh, I'm still back. People yeah, people yeah. People are like, well, can you see me a song right now? I'm like, wait and tables at California Pizza Kitchen. I'm like, actually, yes, I can't wait. Did you work in California? Oh, yeah. I loved when they came out with the healthy menu. And like, you were probably already famous. But like, 2012, I'm guessing, 2010. That was definitely not. 2010, they came out with a healthy menu. And they had the best, we were-- Calls Flower Crush? No, no, no. They had three items. They were like, not pieces. They were Mexican items. And they were fucking so good. We pulled that up. We pulled that menu up. So wait, so. And then you were just off to the races. You were like, dude, no, did you guys both have matching dreams? And you were like, because my wife-- I know a couple that we're really close to. Where we, I was me and Leanne. We had matching dreams. And then someone got pregnant. And I was like, well, I'll take it from here. Yeah. God, someone's got dream dreams, someone's got dreams. Yes, there's a difference. There's a big difference. How important is your dream? Because my dream-- In your dream, do you have-- You watching me make my dream? Yes, so I mean, that's what we were both there for. But like, as soon as she got there, she was like, absolutely not. Like, the performance thing. Like, she was a musical theater. And like, she was like, I'm not going to do this. Like, this is dumb. It's a fucking-- It's a really weird-- I imagine as a woman, it's probably worse than a man to be in the music industry. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why, how. I mean, maybe that's every industry. Is it what about comedy? No, chicken. Women have it so easy and comedy. OK. Great. No, I can imagine the struggle for a woman is a nightmare because you're competing against other women. The industry's only allowing a few through the door at any given time. And when someone like Nikki walks through, like bust open the door, you got to realize she's been beating down that door for 15 years. Totally. Nikki Glazer, anyone is listening. But Nikki-- And then all of a sudden, you see, we were there at that roast when Nikki changed her career. And you're like, you know, like, she wasn't-- she wasn't like brand new. She'd been doing this for a long time, and doing it at a very high level. And then the world's like, whoa, who are they? So I would imagine that's super frustrating. I think the same thing happens for men. I know what kind of happened for me. But I would imagine, in the music industry, it's got to be-- I feel like it's harder to be funny than it is to sing, if that makes sense. I think there's probably more people can sing than more people try to sing. More people try to sing. I'm listening. But no, I'll just sing it to you this way. I think-- But like, I think more people casually sing than casually get all stage and try comedy. Correct. I would agree with that. And I think that people sing in choir where they don't have like sketch groups in church although they should. Oh, yeah, they do, bro. Do they have sketch tubes? No, there's no. It's more interpretive dance. That's the artistic expression. But I think a lot more-- very few people are inspired to go follow their dreams in a comedy than they are in music. I think music's something where you're like-- And it's crazy. I think the delusional people in music that go on to try to sing are equally as funny as delusional people in comedy who go on to try to do comedy. Like a crazy person in comedy is still very funny. They're crazy. I watched one today. Who? I almost followed him. He was so fucking crazy. And you could tell there was something off with them. And you're 100%. Yeah. And I'm watching Shane Gillis laugh hysterically at him. And I'm like, oh, yeah. And he's got a little sauce. But he's crazy. He's crazy person. Yeah. No, I agree with that. Music is, I feel like, more universal to-- I don't know what the equivalent would be. Just like some crazy, amazing band playing for 12 people in a corner of a bar or something, you know? I don't know. There's probably a lot of this. There's an app for literally everything now. 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They came to one of my first shows and we just started writing a bunch of songs, writing a bunch of songs and I was like, they were the song, they wanted to be songwriters and I was like, I'm going to sing all these songs because I want to be on stage. I want to do it. I want to go and they were like, cool. They were just trying to get pub deals and all this stuff and then they turned into FGL and then they wrote crews and they got signed and all this stuff and I was just like, dang. They just, which was amazing to watch and those are the homies. They brought me out on the road and just to hang and take in the environment because they knew I wanted to do the same thing too. But though, yeah, those guys were probably the first people that I ever met and saw them do that. But then being a duo at first, I was like, dang, that'd be so cool to have your person in a writing room that you both know what's going on. You can kind of run the songwriting session and stay aligned as opposed to me. I'm 21. What's my story? I didn't have, I wasn't married. I didn't have the Russell that I am now. I didn't know where I was going. I was still just like kind of wide open of where I was headed. You know? Yeah. I was like, it would have been sick to have a duo partner to do that with. But now it's correct up to me. Yeah. And now I'm like, thank God. Now, yeah. Now I'm grateful. What's funny you do, you grow, I can't imagine, that's probably happened with Florida Georgia line, but you grow and you grow in different directions. And you have places where you meet, where you connect. And those change, those change as you get older. And it's funny the things that made Tom and I laugh at a younger age, I don't even think we'd show up in our in like what we laugh at now. And then our interests, we've tried to make it pretty, we've tried to make it very tangible that our time together is not just spent podcasting or doing or promoting our vodka or doing a 5K or whatever the fuck it is, we try to make sure that we do something where we're just hanging out. Just chilling. Yeah, and that's, I mean, I can't imagine like we just saw Brooks and Dunn, yeah, I mean those guys. The folklore was not great apparently, no, no, the fact that they're back, yeah, they just want duo the year, you know, huge fan, by the way. Yeah, I told you my Brooks and Dunn story, please, no, I was, that is, please yes, please no, please do tell. I went to school at Florida State, yeah, and I was a big hip hop fan in college and are two star football players, probably in 1995 were Derek Brooks and work done and I went to a gas station. This is when they put singles on tapes and there was a Brooks and Dunn tape with a cow head on it. And I was like, no, I was like, do they put out a rap album? I was like, how fucking great is this going to be? I go and he's from New Orleans, all this is going to be awesome and I bought it and I put it in. And it was a country song and it was good. Yeah. It was Brooks and Dunn. And I went, wow. Which one? Do you remember it? It was the first, it was type in. It's got to be 19, it's got to be 90, it was the very, it was the very first Brooks and Dunn hit. Okay. The, what was the very first Brooks and Dunn hit? First single. And there was a, I remember there was, I think there was a cow. And I was like, wow, these two inner city black kids like, wow. And I was like, you know, and I was like, you know, you talk like that. And I, yeah. And I was like, that's crazy. But you know, you can't really like Charlie Pride, like you can't really dictate what kind of music talks to you. Or I was like, wow. Yeah. I was like, this is incredible. And I was playing it for people like guys, have you listened to Derek Brooks and worked on his new album and they're like, no, and I go, it's fucking incredible. And then I went into by the whole album and it was too white to white dudes. I was like, well, it's not the album I thought it was. Yeah. I was, it's, that's a true story. I wish I was smarter. I ran into, I know Derek Brooks, I'm friends with Derek Brooks now. Okay. I ran into work done, shirtless, he up to, he's just doing good in life. Great. He is, he lost his mom and when he was in college, she was a police officer. In New Orleans. She got murdered on the job and he decided to get houses for single families, families with a single mother to build houses and he's done club work, Brooks, real work done. And he didn't go pro, oh, he went pro, he went, went to the box, which, I mean, crazy. We sat next to each other in graduation. We sat right next to each other in graduation. Yeah. And then he went on to the box. I sat next to him. Was he already drafted at that point? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I told him, I told him, I said, hey man, I grew up in Tampa. You're going to the play of the box. If you ever want to hook up with anyone to go fishing or you want anyone to hang out with and he's like, I'm good. And I was like, cool, cool man. And then look at this, he's, I loved your mixtape. Poems for the holidays. In 1997, he started and he's given houses to like a lot of people. I don't know. I'm going to read all that. Five million people. But five million people, who's serious? No, five million dollars. But he's a great humanitarian. Yeah. A football game at Florida State, me and Tom, I'm drunk. I'm shirtless. We're in the president's box. And I see work done. And I forgot I was shirtless. And I walked up to him like, dude, because he probably doesn't know who I am at all. He had no, he's lived in a universe that Bert Chrysler's never entered in. Now mind you, we sat next to each other and that's the first thing I said, we sat next to each other at graduation, and he goes, okay. And I was like, I was like the number one party animal when we were in college and he was like, all right. I was like, I'm a bird christian. I'm like a comedian now. And he goes, okay. And I was like, I just, and I was like, this isn't going good. He was like, no. How many years later? Is this? Seven months ago, oh, it went so bad. Dang it. So you're, yeah, you're already burnt at that point. I'm the biggest. You're going to get your bird bird. I had just sat on the field and given a pump up speech to the 90,000 people on the field. Yeah. To 90,000 people about the Florida State Alabama game. Yeah. And the place went bananas. Every one in the stadium, watch that, except for apparently work done, who is on his phone, googling how to buy poor people houses, everyone knew why we were with, uh, we were with another famous football player get more bird. I think we were Danny canal. We were like with like three other huge alumni, it's me, Tom. I want to say Derek Brooks was there and, and work done was like, good. Damn. And we were like, awesome. Man. And I was like, you should have put your shirt on and I was like, you think that's what it was. He was like, well, it was pretty aggressive. Turn out. Yeah. I got up this. I know I have a picture of that. Does that happen to you though? Like, like, uh, I feel like we did, we were at a, we were at a show and I remember everyone was losing their mind over, um, was it Keith urban? Keith urban is like, you know what's interesting to me? Do you notice this? Like when we go to like the, I say, we, I've been to two events that you've been at. But like, when I go to those, there's two types of country music stars. There are people who know everyone, love, it's like church for them. They're not you. Yes. You are in every room. It doesn't matter what room or what, who's allowed in what room you step into every room. Absolutely. Everyone gets a hug. I mean, you're also a guy which I was, I really kind of admire. It's like, someone brings out a bottle of tequila and you're not drunk, but you'll do a shot with them. Of course. And, and which I always like because I'm always the guy going, I fuck, I shouldn't do shots. I'm pretty hammered already, but like, you're like, I remember you, everyone brought, I forget was a big, and you were like, oh, yeah, yeah, and you did like a small shot. And then I was like, God, and then you worked the room and you're like, said, hi, everyone, love. New everyone's name. And then there is, and I don't mean this shit, yeah, because this happens in comedy. Then there are the people that go to their rooms and they draw the focus. When they walk out of their rooms, 19 people walk with them and, yeah, when does that shift happen? I don't know. I don't know if it does. It may just be from the beginning for, like, yeah, I mean, I, like, we'll play shows with XYZ. And after the show, I'm like, I'm like knocking on their bus. I'm like, what are we doing? But like, you know, nobody cares how big you are. Nobody cares how big I am. Back here, back behind the stage, you know, it's like, what are we doing? We hang in, we vibe, you know, and like, I'm always popping in and out or whatever. But I don't know. Maybe the people just like introverted or think they're way cooler than they actually are. It should be, I said this to Tom one time, because Tom's very introverted. Tom Sugara could be by himself. What is shocking to me? Yeah. I mean, just in the realm that y'all are in, I feel like all of everybody is the most outgoing person in the world. Yeah. Well, I think it's presented that way. It was, it's funny because I think most people think he is like me because we're friends. And then when he finds introverts like himself and he does, he really does find people like that in life. Yeah. They always go, how can you be friends with Bert because he's so loud. He's a lot to be around. Like we did a show at the, at the MGM Grand Gardenerina. And I, I'm someone who goes, one green room, right? What's one green room? What are we doing to green room tour and like Tom would like his space. And I was like, but it's just, what the hell, dude? Yeah. And they're like, just, you know what? It's like he's doing, he's going to do stand-up tonight. We have green rooms for Bobby and Shane and everyone, but and then we have your green room. So your green room will have all the booze in it and it'll have all the, it'll be the bigger green room so people can come hang out there. And so I go into my green room and it's insane. It's jelly roll. It's Guy Fieri. It's Jimmy Kimmel. It's Nate Diaz. It's, I mean, it's, it's Ohu. A shmorgas board. And by the way, I'm, I'm half naming them. And by the way, Shane Gillis isn't famous yet. He's there. He's about to be really famous. Yeah. He's about to get really famous. Bobby Lee, Adam Ray, Christopher, I mean, like every comic is there, even just comics there for the Super Bowl. Everyone's like, where's Tom? And I was like, Oh, he's in his green room. I'll go get him. I'm not fucking making this up at all. I walk into his green room and it is an empty room with one chair in the center. And a red light. He's changed out the light for a red light bulb and it's playing like gang star. And he's sitting there by himself and he goes, what's up? I said, what the fuck are you doing? And he goes, I'm just hanging out. What's he doing? I said, there's a bunch of people in my room. Would you like come in and hang out and he goes, y'all be in there in a second. And then Jimmy Kimmel walks in. He's like, Hey, Tom. And he's like, Hey, Jimmy. And then I just let them and they both just sat and talked about whatever and a somber time. And then Tom walked in and, you know, he just goes, hi. And everyone's like, Tom. And he's like, hi. And then like, you want to do a shot? And he's like, no. And then, but it's his energy. Sure. And my energy. I don't want to deny my energy. I noticed when I stopped drinking my energy, leans a little more towards Tom's, it's amazing how quiet I am when I'm not drinking. But yeah. And I went backstage and I just noticed like, I'm your energy. I'm bailiism's energy, I'm jelly's energy. I'm the red clay strays energy, at least five of them for them. I'm like, I'm shabuzy's energy. Even Stephen Wilson's my energy, like, you know, like, but then there's like, and even, you know, Keith Urban is walking around, he's like a coachable. Yeah. He is. We just, we toured Europe with him and I was surprised how accessible, you know, I've, maybe it's, maybe it's just a, you've done that for decades. You've done the green room, packed full of people and the booze and everything and, you know, and then there's like, all right, cool. Like I just rather sit under a red light and massage my scalp, you know, red. Red light scalp therapy. I do it. I do it. My hair is coming back in a wild way. Really? Yeah, it's, it's, I'm, yeah, I had, when I started this, I have the hat just to, so that when I pull it off and one day reveal, everyone's gonna be like, oh, did he get hair transplant? Yeah. It was going. It was a red light hat though. No, I got the red light. I got two red light hats. I have one on my tour bus and one at home. Yeah. I went on finestride and monoxidil. Geez. Oh, are those peptides top, topical and oral? I'm on. My two favorite. I, I love oral. Yeah. I love, I love oral and then give it a little topical. This is topical. Don't worry. And so, and then, and when I started losing weight, I started noticing my hair was falling out. Like really falling out and I went, oh, this can't happen. No. I'm finally getting in good shape and I'm going to be bald. Yeah. And now I'm going to have to, when you go bald, drinking, and I quit drinking, everything falls apart when you get your life together. How does that work? I don't know. I started panicking. I was like, maybe, maybe being fat was a gift because I never looked at anything other than my fatness. I was like, I was like, at least I have hair and then I started losing that and I was like, I don't have hair. What am I talking about? I don't know. But yeah, I'm, I feel like, I, what the fuck were we talking about? I don't know. Do you red light? Topical. Topical in oral. My hair is coming back in a big way. Yeah. But then when you go bald, you can be one or two guys. You got, you got to be the guy with crazy glasses or Jeff Bezos. Yeah. There's no other option. Crazy glasses or the richest man in the world. It's crazy. When you were growing up, did you have JC Penney catalogs? Oh, yeah. It's crazy to think that Jeff Bezos just reinvented the JC Penney catalogs. The Amazon catalog? Amazon is just a JC Penney catalog on your phone. I mean, it's, it, I, I literally, I've been on this deep dive about JC Penney, like, no. Like what? Like what? Like what? What's so fascinating? What? Okay. Is it an empire built on? No. I'm obsessed with, so you, you were talking one time in an interview and I, I don't know when I heard this. I'm almost certain it was, I, I listened to a podcast right before your new album came out in 2025. Thank you. Yeah. By the way. Well, yeah. Well, you're welcome. Thank you. You had a song that you had a song I had a bit about, I'm going to fuck up the name of it. It's 16 like me. 16 me. 16 me. And I had a bit about it, about time traveling and what, and I, and then randomly I think, you know how your phone operates and then you came up and I was listening and it was an interview and you were talking about, I, I can't remember exactly. exactly what you're talking about, but the idea that. And I don't know if it's just drive off to my bit in this song, but your earlier work towards where your work is today and how what it's like to look back and reflect. And I was like, so funny because I can go back to my old, old bits. And sometimes now they work and sometimes they really, really don't. Yeah. Sometimes I look at old stuff and I go, oh, you know, yeah. But you still do to this day. Do you like go dig back into the archive? That's the good thing about music. I can play the same. I can play yours forever. Oh, yeah. That's great. I haven't thought about that. I play-- You gotta-- I have to write a new hour every. Well, I think here's the real question is, like, I have to write a new hour every year. But I found that I was writing similar hours. I was touching on a lot of the same topics. But there are things people love, though. People love, people love that, dude. Like, people go, I love Ila stories. I love stories about your kids. Yeah. I love stories about your wife and your kids. Yeah. Like, a good account. Yeah. Everybody loves the accounts. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And it's so funny because I had to challenge myself in this new hour to reassess what my life was to write about. Yeah. 'Cause I didn't want to just go, here's a this theory. Here's a this story. Here's a this story. And so. But I think in doing that, I started assessing everything in life and going, is everything just a remake of something else. Yeah. And then I got to the fucking JC Penney, who ultimately reinvented, the Amazon reinvented JC Penney. Yeah. I mean, it's identical. I would, JC Penney was like, the fucking shoe in and he was a fascinating guy. I watched the whole documentary on him and I, and I need to see that. I'll send it to you. You ready for the one thing? Love their khakis. The one thing that I can't, I can't stop thinking about JC Penney said, we own nothing. Mm-hmm. We own nothing. Like, when we die, it all stays. We don't own it. We're borrowing it. Mm-hmm. Everything. Even my house I live in, I love, there was a guy who built that house. Yeah. That was his, I'm in his house. He's dead and I'm in his house. Yeah. He died in that house and I'm in it. Sleeping in there, listening to podcasts about JC Penney. Yeah. And he's dead. Yeah. And it's, we own nothing. Yeah. And I was like, whoa, I almost started taking off jewelry. Yeah. I'm like, I don't, I don't own this watch. Mm-hmm. And then I started going, wait, does this watch own me? Do am I a slave to this watch? Am I a slave to the things I buy? 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So tell me about your childhood from like the only just the positives. Like the how lucky you were. - Dude. - Union City, like the town you could just ride your bike everywhere, anywhere knock on anybody's door, go in, get a juice box, you know, everybody knew everybody. - Yeah. - It was the best, dude. Like my like my granny owned a dairy farm and we would just like rip around in the fields with cows and corn fields and play hide and seek and corn field. Like it was so sick. And yeah, just like what my dad was a pastor, a music pastor at a church, you know, and like great community, great people, still keep up with some of my best friends from 10 years old. And even when we moved to Franklin, it, I mean, shout out to my parents. They're, you know, they gave me a great childhood. Both of us, me and my sister. And there's, I mean, of everybody can find negatives. - You can find the negative. And I, but I think sometimes social media has trained us to make sure we bring up the negative so that we don't get bad comments. When the truth is, and I can find some negatives in my parents, but dude, my dad coached every one of my little league teams. He was, I drove to practice with him every day. I drove home from practice every day. Every day, that's like so good. The craziest blessing you can get. And they've been so supportive from day one too. I wasn't a metal band before, in college, I wasn't a metal band. And my dad was very against that. - I wouldn't, please deep dive this. (laughs) - I mean, it was, you know, it was an angsty. - Well, I think this is senior year. - This is senior year of high school in 80s. - No, you were born in '87? - Yeah. - '87. - Senior year of high school, '05 into '06, freshman year. I mean, we had like a heavy, just garage, Grun metal bands at the floor. Oh, it's just heavy. as heavy as you could get and but this band who was like touring they had like seven shows and in a van they're going on tour and they're like hey we want you to be our screamer and I was like I'll figure it out I will figure it out dude we're hitting the road yeah and we did and we played for a total like seven shows we played for a total of probably 83 people you know to me and it was just we made 83 dollars and but we were just we just wanted to get hit the road and play and there's music but my dad we played we played a show in Nashville and I remember him coming up and he like he was outside the venue and he was like crying like legitimately he was like this is not you this is you know what did they do it like this is so this music is crazy where does this gonna end up where do you like he was like he was like freaking out for me and he was he was totally right and what he was like yeah where what what was I going to do was I really going to do this metal music and but you know we were teens was having the time you know yeah just ripping and shredding and screaming and what's that feel like to let your dad down at the time I was like whatever dad it's not just a phase it was a phase uh yeah I'll always remember that and like okay that's like but I mean everything else as soon as that like I dry I didn't drop out of college right after that but I went and like I went on tour with Chris Tomlin he's a Christian artist and like guitar techs had no idea what I was doing totally supportive of me dropping out and riding on a tour bus around the you know the country doing that and then you know the next step was started right in my own songs and everything and that just 100% supportive of every every step of the way biggest fans till this day you know did you grow up listening to Christian music in your house yeah like slayer or was no that's not Chris we what was one striper like yeah not even now I mean my parents were more like Michael W Smith Steven Curtis Chapman Damian do you know and none of these guys it's dad's like they're like CC and sound like Dennis because yeah they do have great teeth they uh yeah I mean that's just like they were the rock stars of like the Christian music world wait so wait who what's the edgiest that was ever played in your house we were like oh shit dad listen to Sam cook the edgiest Christian though the edgiest oh edg music oh bro I mean I got in by seventh grade like no no no that you're that you heard your parents playing my parent nothing that zero really my mom to this day only listens to classical music every time I would like driver car in high school it was just like like what is this Bob she just vibing out to with Stravinsky how fucking beautiful of an existence is that to be able to appreciate that she's the most phenomenal musician I've ever met really yep what is your mom playing any piano really you could you could take a symphony whatever she could play the entire thing never never seen it before she could fully read it fully play it really yeah her dad her parents were like that too just like my granddad I remember he would always like he had headphones on and he was listening to like pop music but he was penciling an orchestra like pencil writing each part like the violin part the strings the tuba the you know horns everything you know what I mean so they were like yeah put on these concerts but he pencil wrote pop songs into a full orchestra it's the it's the most create the craziest musicianship do you feel like you're the least talented musician in your hell yeah for sure for sure it's kind of crazy because that's like real musicianship correct that is like textbook music theory you're trained like that's what I tried to learn at Belmont that was my degree was music and you had classes where you had to hear things and write out the thing but it's just like one line but this dude grandpa was you know what I mean like every note lines up with the other instrument for this whole thing it's it's wild well when you think of like when they talk about Beethoven being able to just write his symphony and then this is it play it and then he didn't and he didn't hear it he just like play it and then they're like well that's really fucking good yeah and you're like well one of them maybe you guess it and they're like wow that worked yeah but if you do two fucking crazy yeah yeah so that's that's it's in there somewhere well it's it's clearly in there but do you can you like because my sisters my sisters I would say my sisters my daughters are and my my parents my parents everyone's funny in my family I'm the least funny person in my family without a doubt I am being serious but no no no I'm definitely when we get together I'm not funny at all like if anything I'm frustrated like I'm like how funny everybody is everyone is fucking hysterical my sister Wow my sister Coddy is without a doubt I think everyone knows this the funniest human being alive and the if she had ever done to when she moved out here I wanted to do stand up and I was like trust me you'll you'll be a star you're so much funnier than anyone in her sense of humor is very dialed into like pop culture and like and inside jokes it's like the ultimate little sister you could have yeah I think it's because she was 10 years younger than me so she had to keep up with the adults so she's always just been quicker but even like you know like the things that happened to her in life the way she lives her life is I don't know but my sister Annie and her get together they're like a comedy duo you've never seen and my my dad is I would say I'm definitely funny than my mom and dad but when you put them around my sisters it's they my my sisters have a different relationship with them than I do yeah and I sit back and I listen to things and I got to be honest with you it's good even still like we went to Hawaii well I took everyone to Hawaii and I was like this will be a bit usually whenever do a family vacation there's a bit in it and I was like I don't see the bit in the end like are you being serious and I was like what and she was like talk to your daughter and my daughter George it was like you don't remember how excited you got for Mickey Mouse and I was like okay hold on that's not a bit she's like no and it's it's now now it's a story I'm working on but I I thought they were bringing the rock and it wasn't the rock was Mickey Mouse so I got really excited and so and then I got really upset like really upset that they didn't bring me the rock and and my but then as as my daughters tell the recount the story it gets I go oh yeah yeah that's a bit so like I feel like do you ever do that with your mom like you sit next to her and you're like hey what was that that mean it's like we do carols with Carol I do around Christmas time and when I'm talking about you just put music in front of her dude we'll just call out anything really every every Christmas Carol are you are you your brother sister younger sister how much younger almost eight years big gap yeah yeah I don't know I don't know if we don't really talk about it is she musical too she was she played flute she ripped the flute in middle school this is where my comedy brain go you go she was but she lost her hands do you remember that joke when you were a kid you asked Bill how was mom plays piano yeah your husband played piano it was real cool my mom doesn't have hands and you're like oh never mind uh yeah sorry Bill so we would happen you said what didn't she now she I mean she started doing ballet and just now she's massage therapist she's doing her thing really yeah married lives in Baltimore doing her thing Baltimore yeah how the fuck did that have me she married a cop no she she did get married she met a guy and I get like that's just where they ended up wow but she's the she's amazing really yeah like it's that that age gap growing up it's so huge but then as as you get older you know it's like you just get closer and closer and closer closer it is interesting my sister's 10 years younger than me and I definitely I I uh I feel like there was such we were like totally different people very close but close as like a little sister yeah and then one day I was your smokey joint and I was like when did Coddy start getting high and they're like oh she began high so she was 16 I was like what whoa I was like mother fucker she's a badass yeah yeah Coddy's an interesting really interesting I told one story to Kelly Clarkson about her and Kelly Clarkson's like I think I'm in love with your sister I was like yeah she's pretty funny she's like no that's the funniest human being I've ever heard of but yeah I want to come hang out with your family okay it's not no time I'd rather hang out with your family did your parents drink growing up no zero really I don't know I mean I remember finding a little jack Daniels in the in the cupboard in the pantry really and I was like what is this what is this guys yeah but I think it was for like brown like cooking or something I don't know something so sort of saucy syrup or something. - Oh, wow. - But it was like, you could tell it was from 30 years ago. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like the label was a little faded. And there was still like three quarters of the bottle. - That's always blown me away that like the, the side of the South that doesn't drink. Like my wife's family did not drink. And I was like, well, I'm not, I'm going to drink. - Yeah. - Like I'm not gonna not drink. - Right. - Like at a family function. - Oh. - Like when you're introducing to the family. - Oh, they brought me in and all her dad and her uncles and her cousins would all go on the other side of the truck to drain. - Yes. - And I was like, well, I'm doing it in front of everyone. - Yeah. - Like just do it. - You're right. - And then like, no, we can't do that in front of granny. - That's exact, it's granny, dude. - Yeah. - Yeah, my nanny was never, not about it. - Really? - Not about it. - Yeah, but we would, you know, say, I mean, that's the same thing. We would go in the carport and, you know, put whatever in our iced tea. - Yeah. - Yeah. It's, I almost, I almost kind of enjoy that type of drinking water. - It's a thrill. - It is. - It's the real thing, dude. - Drinking behind granny's back was fun as fuck. - Yes. - 'Cause after a while I was like, 'cause you'd have, you know, especially like we go down to the lake. And if we were at the lake, granny would come down on a Sunday and you weren't supposed, I mean, it was a dry county. You weren't supposed to have alcohol there. And then granny would be down there and I was like, well, we can't have it on the water. I'm gonna have a fucking cocktail. I was like, I'll do it behind granny's back. And then I'm drinking behind everyone's back. And then I'm like, I think this is the problem. - This is exhilarating. (laughing) - Well, it's granny's dance on Coke. (laughing) God, that's such a great, such a great life to have lived, you know, to like, get to experience the music, the music musicianship within your family. But then to be able to grow up in a small town and then move out to Franklin and then, you know, it's so funny, you don't pick your journey. And I get obsessed sometimes of people picking their story, like people handpicking their story to go like, I'm just a lunchpale guy. And you're like, are you though? And you're like, where did you think that that sells? - Yeah, yeah. - It's gotta drive you nuts. Not, I'm not saying like, I'm not saying, you're not saying this, I'm saying this. But to be the real deal, when it comes to Southern upbringing, and then come into a business where you see people put on the mask and go like, yeah. Like I was raised in a trailer park and my, you know, my mama was on drugs, which is, that's somebody's story. - I mean it's jelly rolls. (laughing) - Sorry, jelly, I was just with him the other day. No, but I think, I mean like, like jelly story is so authentically hidden. - Exactly, that's the thing. It's like, and that's what I've learned day by day, every single day that you get down this road is the more authentically real that you can be, is the better. And like, yes, I love my wife, as we just spoke about. But like, even with like me being, like imitating Fetty Wap and being stupid and being goofy online. - Yeah, the video of your artist telling your boys, yeah, you're on a track with Fetty Wap. - And they're like, they move so little that you think, for a second, the tire in the back is one of your children. There's an extra tire in the back that's just sitting there that you're like, oh well, no one's moving. - No one, they could care less. - It is dude. - But like, I feel like in music and in like, country and like being a male artist, it's like, yeah, you gotta be like sexy all the time and be unapproachable and unattainable. And I just, I don't know, the more that I just throw that crap out the window, you know? And be stupid goofy, a dad, a husband, the more that it, the more it works. - Well, you know the thing that I never felt more connected with you about was, and this is very much my energy, is when we were at the CMAs, you were doing the commercial breaks, you were hosting it. And I was like, that's totally me. That's, and you're like, I know no one's listening right now. It doesn't matter. We've got an award gift and that's completely me. And I, Leanne said, oh, I see why you guys are friends. And I went, yeah, there's zero ego. There's some, there are like, I have friends would be like, I'm not doing that. I'm sitting in the crowd. I'm not gonna go up there. I go, well, no, why not get up there? Why not have fun? Why not have fun? This is a celebration. And the one guy came up and won like, what is the 75th award in a row? He had lost 33 years in a row. Yeah, that was it. Yeah. Paul Franklin, the most legendary steel guitar player, I vote for him every year. He, I mean, he is on every record that you have ever heard steel guitar on. And for 33 years of nominations, that he had worked on. He had never won musician of the year. Yep. The homie. Yeah. I mean, he's the, he's the guy. And you saw how crazy the crowd went. And that was the only one they cared it. Like, yeah, only a word that I gave out that they were like, I was shocked how much. There he is, fourth from the right, dude. Yeah, look at him. That's it. Is that your phone or my phone? That's mine. Did someone bring up my phone? There was a guy, there was an artist I saw today that, do you remember Bruce Hornsby? There was an artist that Bruce Hornsby did a song with that I'd never heard of. And I heard the song and it was so badass. Here's what I think is cool about your industry. Is there is absolutely zero ego about collaborating on, on material? Yeah. You write the majority of, majority of your songs are with, it's three of you, right? But I do love the fact that there is no ego. You guys go in and just to create a beautiful song. Yeah. And we don't have that. It's actually frowned upon in our, in our specials. Like, if you have a group of writers help you write your special, every comics, like, that's not the art, you can't carry your own weight. Yeah, I mean, really. Okay, I can promise you when Shane Gillis does his special, and I only know this, because I've seen him work. It, that's him. And maybe backstage, Makasco will be like, do you know what we funny is if you flip this and that. And then you go, oh, let me try that and he'll do it. But that's not, I don't consider that like, not group writing. And so we don't do that. And I really wish, I would love, I get envious when I hear of like, guys that go into like a writer's session and you just go in and the best ideas work. I would go, oh, it's so great. And, and that really didn't happen for me until I got with like, my two of my best friends that we all went to college together. You know, and they already knew, they knew me and kale story. They knew everything about me. And at that point, we'd already know each other for seven, eight years. And you just get in and like, they help, like when I was talking about FGL, having those people to like, guide your craft, guide your song, guide your career. Yeah, Casey Parker were definitely, I mean, we had my first four number ones, we're just the, the three of us, you know, it's beautiful. And it was great about it also. And I've been putting a lot of thought in this. We've been writing with dudes that are writing with you. And it's not like it's not a homogenized group of guys that just come in and they wrote on Morgan Wallen, they wrote on jelly rolls. They wrote on this. They, and it's your, it's your vision. Yeah, that's definitely how it started for sure. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's so cool because it's a reason why I identify with your music, because I'm, I feel like I'm still listening to you. Yeah, you know, exactly. Do you feel like you can hear that another artist sometimes that you go, oh, that's, like you, do you, can you put on an artist sometimes and you go, like, I know, like Morgan Wallen has Ernest and Hardy have written a lot of songs. A bunch of those, but when you hear that, you go, that's a hardy song right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, like Thomas Rhett, I feel like, I feel like he, he'll send me songs too. I'm like, that's a Thomas Rhett song. That's not a Russell song. Yeah. That's a time. Like you have to record this song, you know, and I love Thomas' writing, because he loves his wife, loves his kids, family guy, very similar, you know, outlooks on life, faith, family, all that stuff, but yeah, he's, he's such a great writer and he's like, he'll send us on like, that's a, a T.R. banger to it. Really? Yeah. Yeah. What do you think the, what do you think the, what do you think the ingredients for a perfect Russell song is? Oh, jeez. I had someone do this to me one time. What's the perfect, what's the perfect Burt bit? No, this woman, Donna, her last name's Donna, Richard Donna's wife, type in, I want to give her credit. I took a general meeting at this, the Donna group is what they're called. Lauren Donner. And she looks rich, oh, her, her, he did goonies, do you remember goonies? He did goonies, type in Richard Donner movies are like crazy. He did like, no way, he did everything, all these, he did everything. He did everything, he did every Superman. And so he wanted to do a movie, oh, he wanted to do the machine, he wanted to do the machine. This is, this has got to be so long ago. And so he goes in, I think if I'm not mistaken, he's more kind of backstage. He's not like, maybe he directs, but she produces. And I go in and I start pitching the machine and she goes, yeah, I see it, I see it. And she goes, I just see, it's less of you in this. And I really want to capture you. And then she goes, you know, you're Tracy Morgan's story. And I was like, and at the time, there was another comedian telling that story as if it had happened to him. And it was very, it was very private that no one knew that it was, that was happening, but a couple of people knew. And then it came out, yeah, turned into a fucking shit show. But I said, did you know that's my story? And she went, of course, she was the first time I heard it. I said, did this happen to Bert? And I went, why? And she goes, that's your story. Your stories are always that you, you get into a situation with someone a little more powerful or scary than you. You get scared. You say something stupid. You integrate yourself into it. And then you have a surprise ending where you get out fine. And I was like, huh, as she said that I was like, oh, this is easier. I can just write all my stories like that because I was like, all of them. I mean, I have this new story that I'm telling on stage and I go to the point where I go, I'm finding myself saying the same things I say in the machine. And I got to not say, when I got to the door, I panicked, everything flooded out of my head. I mean, it's like, I gave myself a, it's crazy. And then I start going, oh yeah, that's all my stories. And so, but I go, okay, what are your ingredients? Ah, dude, love obviously. It's got to be. It's a lot of love. It's people, we want to know that you're still in love. Yeah. Because if you're in love, then we can be in love. Yeah. It's okay, feel like, I was listening to this morning. Six in the morning, I'm listening to the album came out in 2025. Yeah. And I'm like, and I was in the gym with Leanne, and I'm thinking of you and your wife, and I'm just smiling with her, laughing, going, the thing they have in their relationship, we have. 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Like, yeah, if I shit on something, my brother-in-law's a Disney adult. And when I adult Disney superfan. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Like if he's having a rough week and he goes to Disney, everything's fine, dude. He's like, dude, everything's good. Yeah, fucking Mickey's here, Minnie's here. Yeah, and so it's silly to me. Like, and to Berkreicher, it's silly. Yeah, but then, dude, a chocolate dip, Mickey ice cream, walking around the castle. What's wrong with that? Yeah, what's wrong with that? People love, people love to love shit. Yeah. And for me, and the very first time I tried to do a bit about him being a Disney adult, I didn't hear how many people cheered for Disney. Mm-hmm. And then I shit on the thing they love. Yeah. And it didn't work because everyone's like, oh, I thought you liked things. People look at me and they go, oh, you like things. And I do like things. So I started realizing, well, I can't just, I'm not Bill Burr, who's like dead fucking Disney adults which are all these fucking people. And everyone's like, yeah, Bill, yeah. Everyone, I go, Disney adults and they're like, Perch one of us. We knew it. I knew you were a Disney adult. And then you just got to find the things in writing that are the, you just got to find things celebrate. Yeah, what's the next step to not lose them on roasting Disney adults? Or how do you, how do you sneak fuck them? Like, you know, I guess that's called rape. But maybe that's a bad analogy. But sneak fuck them. How do you get in so that you can get in their bedroom? So they trust you. This sounds really Bill calls me. But anyway, that's the analogy. Exactly. How do you get close enough so you can make fun of them? Yeah. How do you let them know that you love them to make fun of them? That you understand them. Yeah. On a deeper level. That you get to their stuff I like. also. - Yeah, but it's true, it's like when I think of you, I don't think of like pining over a bottle of whiskey, fucking angry. - No. - We're partying with a bottle of tequila probably. - Yeah, partying. Do you think you'll be able to write a song about, I want to talk to you about your tour. - Yeah, I want to talk to you about Savannah Bananas. So I know you did like 180,000 people in the stadium with them. - That's. - Can I tell you that I feel like, when I'm thinking of this morning, I'm having a cigar after my workout and I'm thinking about me and you and our wives and how we both got really fucking lucky. And I think anyone would look at my relationship and go, "No, she got lucky, but she got lucky." And currently, I mean, people would look at me and go, "How does she land you?" - Yeah. - That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. - Yeah, but you know that who's also like that is Jesse, the guy who owns the Savannah Bananas. - Yes. - Right? - Yep. - 100%, him and his wife are dialed in, same vibes. - I mean, I gotta be really candid. And I hope Jesse hears this. His wife had a really fucking roll the dice on faith. For sure. - Yeah. - Yes. - She went to sleep on an air mattress with a guy dressed in yellow. - Still. - Who mortgaged their house on a dream? I mean, Jesse, I fuck, I bet I have his number. I'll call him and tell him, "His wife, his wife is a fucking saint." Do you know how many times they would have to go to parties? And they'd be like, "So Jesse, what are you up to these days?" And he's like, and she's like, "Oh, here we go." And he's like, "Well, you know Savannah?" And they're like, "I love Savannah." The taffy, the water, the fishing. It's such a great town. He goes, "Do you know about their minor league team?" And they're like, "What are they, the road herpes?" And he's like, "No, I bought them, I bought them." And I'm bringing banana balls. - I mean, Jesse, I wonder if I have his fucking number. - Oh yeah, I got him. Do you think Jesse answers a FaceTime? Are you FaceTiming? - No, I'm just sending him a picture. - Please. - If anyone's gonna answer a FaceTime, it's Jesse. - He's probably on the field right now. - He's probably like, "Hold on. It's Bear Christ, you're getting the cameras rolling." Guys, can we get this up on the big screens? - He is such an inspirational guy. - Oh, bro. - But more importantly, when you think of his wife, she fucking stuck with him. - Yes. - Through like big dreams. - Yeah. - He had big dreams. A minor league team with nothing and selling two tickets the first game. - He was like dang. - And changing the rules of a sport. - Yeah. - Changing the rules of a sport that was working. - True, that's the big shout out. That's the big shout out. - The only person, crazier than Jesse. You ready for this? This is Old Man Bird talking. Is the guy who changed, who made American cheese? Guys name is Kraft, right? Cheese had been around for three thousand years. - This isn't real. Hold on, I'm going to fucking. - I'm on my speech. - And I'm finding the person to give you the speech. You ready for this? And this guy decided, fuck it, I'm going to change it. Hold on for a second. This guy better, right? - No more wheels, dude. Slice is now. - Dude, so they would cut open a wheel of cheese and the second they cut it open, it started spoiling. - Mm-hmm. - So, people were dying from cheese left and right. And this guy goes, this is 100% real. I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to, I need you, I need you so bad right now. Number one. - I'm in a show right now. - You're on a show. This is Adam Richten. Adam, this is, we're on a show too, Adam. So listen, and I know that you know this more than intimately than anyone. - Okay, okay. - Can you tell me how brilliant the guy Kraft who created American pasteurized cheeses in just taking a stab in the dark at changing cheese? Adam, can you please explain what we now know is American cheese to him? - All right, so here's the tightest thing I could do. So remember, we have an FDA now, which regulates nutrition standards. And that means everything from literally, from farm to table and the cold chain of storage, from farm to table, right? So milk at the farm has standards for like how the cows are kept. You know, they have to, if the one cow has an infection, that could be passed around from the milky machines and so on, blah, blah, blah. So those standards exist now, but they didn't. And dairy was really susceptible. So there were farmers that were augmenting like milk by just adding water, adding chalk. One guy was adding pond water and you could actually see like flagellum worms and shit in it. And people were getting like, yeah, flagellum. - That's it. - There were some problems with that. - Is that a woman with an atom? - So basically, dairy, it was really a big, big problem. And then you had guys like up in Sinclair writing books like The Jungle, just about how fucking gross some of the meat processing was. And so Robert Kraft was dealing 'cause cheese was fairly affordable, everyone ate it. So the way groceries worked at that time, you would go to a baker for baked goods, a fish mother for fish, butcher for meat, but you would go to like a general store, like a general grocer, you'd hand them a list and they'd get you the stuff. And the cheese, you'd come in a giant wheel, they'd cut it. And then what would happen is that wedge, we'd get dried out, fucked up, susceptible to mold, bacteria, rot, vermin, you name it. So then they would have to cut a half inch around that first slice just to get a clean second one. And that would repeat, you'd have massive amounts of loss. The other thing was this. For stability, for travel, temper, you know, this is before modern refrigeration. So you needed something affordable and stable. And so what Kraft did was he added alkyl ice salts, which is kind of sort of what they did with Conrad Van Halten did with chocolate. But he had melting salts, actually. And he created this really smooth consistency that was a blend of some of the popular cheeses. - No pond water. - And what he would do is pour it on a table. And he was able to get small slices, gather pre-slice, they're pre-packaged, they're shelf stable, they travel well. So you could just have that one slice of cheese without having to ruin the whole wheel. And it's one of the reasons like the processed cheese was so popular because it was affordable. It would stay spoil free for eons. You could use it by serving size. - I feel like I got too fucking granular. - You are no, you could prove the most perfect point. - Alkyl ice, I said there's one guy I can call who will know all of this. - I'm sorry, by G, I'm just totally, you guys are probably talking about like titties and bombheads at all. - No, I'm like, let's get into melting salts. - You're the best buddy, I love you to death. - Love you too. - Dude, Adam Richmond is the smartest fucking guy. - We all need an autistic friend. They can give us a runner like that. He was, are you familiar with the show "Mam versus food?" So that's Adam Richmond. And so, this is crazy what he can do. You can tell him the name of a city and he'll do the read from "Mam versus food" from that city off of memory. - That's wild. - I know, he's like one of those crazy. I always wonder like, do you, I struggle with old bits. I can't do an old bit, I don't remember them. Do you struggle with old songs? - No. - I mean, it's every night. - Yeah. - I think of every night. - But are there songs that you, are there songs, like if I said, like, do you remember all the songs you go up on? - Then I grew up on like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, some people like, like, jelly seems to remember to know the words of every song that's ever been written sometimes. - Yeah, I don't know, I'm not like that. - No, I mean, even the songs that I grew up on, maybe a handful, like the main stickouts. - Yeah. - But, no. But like, people, they'll throw up signs of old album cuts and stuff, and that'll just come out of nowhere. - Yeah. - For real? - Straight back, yeah, really. - Now, all right, we'll wrap this up. We'll get you moving, but. - But how great was Red Rocks? - Dude. - I, I had, I'd been there once when I was at Chris Tomlin's guitar tech. - Yeah. - And, but I mean, it, it, I mean, just during sound check, I would, I would be, you know, fixing, tweaking, whatever I would look up, and it just like, chills would run through my entire body. And we went up to the top row. - Yeah. - It sounds just as amazing up there. And I think what's different is like, in arenas, it's from like, here to here, you know? Everybody's here, but at Red Rocks, it's just like straight up, eight, nine thousand people, whatever it's dude. Those are the best night of my life. Those are the best show we've ever done. It's a, do you, do you think your boys were able to drink it in yet? - No. - Not even remotely? - No. Like, Remy was up, we were throwing the football up and down the stands and stuff. And he came out on stage, you know? And it's just like, I don't, I don't think he, it just probably was another show to him. But yeah, I went the first time I played Red Rocks. I went and 22, let's go, dude, what you're with that. I mean, that made me not the first time, but I bet it is. It seems like it was right after the cabin. I did it with, I did an arm race on, yeah. Oh wow. I did it. And then the next night we stayed and watched Jimmy Buffett. And the most surreal experience was to be in the audience at Red Rocks and to look up and to realize this many people had come to see me. That's the fucking mind, fuck, yeah. I mean, and then that's, and you just go, wow, I gotta be honest, the last time I played Red Rocks was kind of, I kind of was like, this is the last time I'm playing Red Rocks. I was the best show I've ever had in my entire fucking life. Did you, I felt this? Did you feel like, because like when you play literally anywhere else, it's like cool, Bert's coming to my town. I'm gonna go see it. Yeah. But Red Rocks, people from Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, everywhere, like it was my top 0.1 percent, you know, of fans that traveled, bought a plane ticket, a concert ticket, a hotel, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. And I felt that as soon as like the lights went out, it was like, holy shit dude, this is it. Well, this is the top, Creme Delacrim 1% of fans that are rabid into every second of it. I would, I would say that I, I doing Red Rocks change the way I wanted to tour, because I looked at it and I thought, well, they're already a here. Why don't we do two nights? Yeah. And why don't I do two different shows? And why don't I do, I said, I tried to do this and it, you know, some of my ideas just fall. And I was like, why don't I do it with Sebastian? And the first night we'll do all old material. And then the next night we'll do all new material, or I'll do it with Sebastian and Tom and Allie Wong. Yeah. And we'll each do, maybe we'll do three nights, and maybe we'll, you know, maybe it would be different bookings, but I keep, I keep thinking so good, you know, until we get to the place where we're widespread panic who does like seven nights in a row or whatever, why not go in with like, why not go? I always think that's the great place to mash up artists and bring in three and have, and switch the lineup every night where the last guy does longer and you watch people stay for the week and you, yeah, I mean, because it really is an event. We would, we would always go in. We'd stay at the same place. And we'd rent the whole cat, all the cabins. And then we'd stay for whatever act was the next night. And this last time was the only time that they're like, it was an EDM concert, and I had a show the next night. And I just felt like I was like, ah, now and now I'm really into EDM. So I always offer this, you don't have to, I'll be if you don't want to, but is there any song you want to play at all? Do you have any interest in playing a song? You don't have to. I mean, anything, are we going to sing a song? Oh, I'm so badly, I would love to. If you can get Leanne in here, she cannot carry a tune. And she just learned how to use, she just learned how to use the phrase, that's what she said. Just now, and she doesn't use it right. And she thinks it's funny or because she doesn't use it right. So you're like, this is going to be a hard workout and she's, and I was like, I'm going to be tired. She's like, that's what she said. And I'm like, no, that's, like, oh, so closely, I said, I just ordered DoorDash and she goes, that's what she said. And I go, no, that's not, you're missing it. Right. She just took the trash out. And then, yeah, and then she gets like, they're, her, I mean, you're lucky to show your wife is talented. I have to sit with this fucking sandbag her every day. Um, I don't know what, what I was doing. I have great, I have a great guitar over there begging to be played. The Martin. Yeah. That's my favorite guitar. I see your true colors. What's your favorite song to play? You find yourself like, look, every college kid is playing brown-eyed girl, right? For sure. They were when I was in college. John Mayer, dude. That was when I was, wait, what John Mayer's song? I mean, the, the, the, the easiest. Which, which one's that? I know that. I know that. Bro, party trick of the century for real or college kids anywhere after continuum came out. Oh, magic, how much pussy he got with it, right? I bet, I bet there was a corner though. I bet like he was, he was playing it and everyone's like, this sucks and then one day some girls like, I'll fuck him and then all of a sudden, well, me too. Me too. I will. Can you play yours? Yeah. Have Stacy ever heard this song? Have you ever, this song yours? No, it's not yours, Stacy. It's his. It's yours. No, it's yours. It's yours. The whole thing? No, just a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just lost in the sky wondering why Everyone else shines out of me I came to life when I first kissed you The best way has his arms around you Do you know what that reminds me of? When I was in college, I said the gayest thing in the world. Someone was like, aren't you looking to get laid and I was like, I'm looking for my forever person. And this is how I'm going to find it. Dude, I thought music was my path. Yeah. I 100% bought the dream and was like, I'm a musician. That's what I do. And everything I wrote, people couldn't stop laughing at because I would like write jokes songs. No, I would write an earnest heartfelt love song. And I just, I just, what my word choices were like, like not fucking good. Yeah. And they would be like, why would you choose that as an analogy? I'm waiting to be like a pizza. Like, and they're like, what the fuck? I was like, I'm really at the front. Yeah. If you had to play a Christian song at my funeral, what song would you play? Ooh. I mean, amazing grace is usually this. Can you play it on the guitar? Yeah. Hold on. Did you just figure out amazing grace on the guitar? Yeah. That is kind of fucked up, that you could figure that out that quick and make it as authentic. Now, can you change the lyrics to amazing grace and make it just about Bert? Amazing Bert. Amazing. Bert? No. Amazing. How funny is just the whole damn world live. Look at his big old goofy smile. How often do you play the guitar? I mean, not every day, but like, I got guitars on my bus and I try to do, do you play? How often do you, do you set up times to write and you go, I'm not going to fucking deal with writing. I'm playing. Yeah. I mean, that's more or so like at home, like I'll whip out, like I've like, oh, I really need to practice. Like I'll see videos of me like trying to play a solo or something. I'm like, bro, we got a woodshed. We got a woodshed. So I'll play a lot at home and just like figure out solos because it's like, I don't know, solos have to like take you, Keith Urban, solos got to take you places. And so I'll like figure out how to really make a good solo, not just like, you're just fucking incredible man. And I really honestly. From the very first time we hung out and then every time they're after I just see more of the guy I want to be in you Wow, and and yeah, you said you saw yourself in me one night, and I was like whoa, that's strong That's coming on strong. It's not a lot of me. It would fit very sizable. You're much taller I'm sorry. That was a very sweet moment that I just absolutely ruined. I see a lot of me inside you And that's what I knew we were homies ever said. I don't see you inside me that much could be you're a much bigger guy It scares me a little bit I'm gonna let him leave right now is what I got I had a moment on stage where I was talking about is this crazy bit It's about it doesn't matter. I was talking to a guy in the front row, and I said to him Would you ever let someone come inside too? He goes no, and I was like yeah me either and I go maybe I would definitely had to have not had an orgasm yet and he went And then I go, but because I can see my and he goes how did we get here? I'm sweating now, dude, I love you to death. I love you bro. Thank you so much you This episode was brought to you by the machine