7 New Playcallers That Could Make or Break Your Fantasy Draft with Nate Tice

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Unlimited data is restricted to on-device smartphone usage, domestic data roaming at 2G speeds. All right. We are now joined by Yahoo's Nate Tice. And honestly, the person that I have. I've told DK and Craig that if I ever die, the only person authorized to replace me on the show. And it's totally fine. Authorized. Nate, how are you doing today? What an honor. That's great. An honorary Danny? That's amazing. Does that mean you're like the godfather of the show? It's like if one of us passes on, you kind of come in. I think you are. You take custody of us. Yeah. I was going to say, who's the parents in this relationship? I'm not sure. Is it the Danny and Danny of Craig? Yeah. I was just. You guys can get remarried after I die, but only to Nate. That's really. That's really. Thanks, guys. Yeah. I'm on the. I'm on the list. Yeah. Like, you know, when people get married. Yeah. I'm on the list. That's great. I made it. Nate, you are the man. We have like the most crazy tangent, like tangent going conversations every time we get dinner. But we wanted to have you on because you also are like, just to be honest, like probably the smartest person in media about NFL scheme, about all this. I'm sorry. I know. Blow smoke. I'm sorry. Grass, blah, blah, blah. But I don't know about you guys, DK and Craig, but I feel like. I had a shower today. I know. Careful with the metaphors. But I, I feel like one of the hardest parts of doing this job is looking at a team with some coordinator. I've never heard of like Declan Doyle and trying to predict what's that going to look like? Will he be good? I'm like, well, Declan Doyle's agent told a reporter he'd be great. So we're feeling good. It's very hard to evaluate. And more than half of the teams in the NFL this year have new coordinators. 18 of the 32 by my count. So like half of them are younger than all four of us. You know, it's not even that these are coordinators that we have a history with. Declan Doyle is 30 years old, you know? So it's not like we even say like, oh yeah, we went to college at the same time anymore. It's like, no, these guys are like, now we're getting to generational gaps. Yes. Now I'm like, now it's like true zoomer coaches are coming up. It was not even millennials anymore. It's like now we're on the zoomers. It's yeah. It hurts my brain too. It's concerning. So Nate, we wanted to have you on and we asked you for somewhat. Simple of a question. And we basically were, we want, again, there's like 18 new play callers and we wanted to ask you basically who's a hand, who's a few teams or play callers that you're more excited about the offense than people generally think, or maybe the consensus. And then if they're already a couple where you're maybe a little concerned, maybe more than most people are. We, yeah, I'm, I'm curious with the, I'm curious what you guys think. Cause I, I'm in my own little bubble of nerd them and I, you know, I don't get out much as people can probably see. As I wear the same three outfits on every podcast. Like I'm Steve jobs or Jim Harbaugh, whichever one you prefer, you know, same things every time, new balance, different color and we're good. We're ready to rock. We can get ready for this way to live right there. It's it's what I'm going to, what I was going to start and I cut you off to you. So I'm so sorry, but it's no, it is the chargers, which to me, I've been kind of like beating the drum about the chargers and not just, you know, Justin Herbert cool, but just all the components of it, the run game, everything under Mike McDaniel. And to me, sometimes I'm in my own bubble and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I go on other shows and they're just like, huh? And they stare at me with, I have three heads. So like they're a team I'm curious. It's like, am I different? So I answer your question with kind of a question, but start very high in the chargers. Tell her to be honest. Your center just got hurt. Having said that, he drafted the guy, Jake slaughter who can play center. So no matter what happens, they have a plan there. But I think this run game is going to really boost, get boosted under Mike McDaniel. They went out and got Alec Engel for a reason that fullback, because he does a lot of things as a moving part, as a moving blocker. I think Martin Hampton, whether how high you are with a load, how low you are in him as a prospect, or even his first year as a pro, this offense is going to get him in space and let him go. And that's why I'm really excited. And Keane Mitchell. Yeah. It's going to be like, have a role. He'll have a game where he has a couple of touches and he will have parts where they have both of these guys on the field, but then they just did other things. They, the, the tight ends, they went out and got Charlie Kolar, David and Joku stat wise. Not sure. I'm not going to predict anything there, but. They're blocking. And the other things that they help out with is going to help everybody else by everybody else. I mean, Justin Herbert, Hampton, the passing game, everything. So I I'm very bullish as this offense as a whole, because I think they can get explosive plays. Now the conundrum is predicting which receiver to get that. That's more of the conundrum, but I will bet on Justin Herbert and I will bet on Hampton in a fantasy sense. I think to answer your, to answer your question, we're all really high on the chargers, like seriously high, probably. Okay. Okay. See, that's why I don't know. Especially since, you know, like you said, Biotis got hurt today. Quentin Johnson got banged up today. So maybe that answers. He's apparently fine. Luckily. Okay. That's good. That's good. So we were going to ask you straight up lad versus QJ, but I think it's still just to be determined. I want to just like a general question about the Mike McDaniel offense. Get things kicked off. I know that he's kind of, he comes from the Shanahan tree. What we saw, what he did in Miami, where it was, you know, the terrific run game and like the sharp motion stuff. Like sprint motion, getting people in moving before the snap. But like, from your point of view, like the, the layman's term, like what does Mike McDaniel do that's different in the run game? Or like, I guess unique or whatever. What is sort of his signature in terms of why you think the run game is going to be good? He, he changes up the angles of the blockers. I think it's my baby, my quickest way I could put it. And maybe my best example is there's a run play called counter. And on the counter run play, you typically, you could do different versions, but you pull a guard and you pull a tight end off the ball. And that's just kind of like, he's off the ball. Then he can pull that as a classic counter. Now, what he will do is have, instead of that tight end pulling across the ball, he'll have them do like a little short motion on the same side and then block the same block. But it's from the same side. If that makes sense, he's not pulling, right? So you're getting, you're creating a pole without pulling. So that's maybe my best way I can put it is that he takes the core concepts and he does a little formational variety. We're just, the angles change. Alec Engel motions at the snap and then he's kicking out the end on one plate. The next play he's faking, kicking out the end and running a route. The next play he's fading, kicking out the end and then blocking the linebacker at the second level. And so it's just like, that's my best way I can put it. It's just, yeah, he changes how they typically are drawn up. It's still the same scheme, zone, counter duo, all that stuff. He just kind of just changes and twists the formation usage of them. It's like, yeah, the window dressing makes it harder for defenders to kind of like figure out where, what angle they need to take on the block basically. That's really interesting. And, and just like, okay, I know this guy's pulling, I see one puller where's the second puller and then all of a sudden and then the guy yeah it knocks it knocks you out like that's kind of a feeling that i know well from second team defensive line in high school where i didn't play a lot but like you just when you kind of get up feel too quick you're like oh god what's going on this feels like a trap yeah and it is it usually is no and that and that's really it and it's it's really funny because it's like if you just drew it up on a board without the motions without the craziness and i drew up the next play of someone like a very static offense like the bangles or something it's the same drawing it's just that it's just like how he gets there the journey he takes to get there it's just a little bit different and what i think he the you know you can say whatever he is as a head coach and the team's tapered off last year or whatever he truly is doing stuff that other teams study and you kind of want to always look for whoever the rosetta stone is at the time and why he why teams are studying him is he's created explosive runs which are very hard to do and he's created explosive runs which are very hard to do right now because defenses are really good at tackling right now so they've limited explosive runs but on top of that he again changed it's like everyone knows how to run counter everyone knows how to do a zone run everyone knows how to do a do a run all right how are you popping open these guys it can't just be a chan like he's good like he's a really good player but jalen uh jalen right is popping off all week gordon's popping off yeah yeah like most are going for 20 touchdowns like what are you doing and then that's it's just finding new ways to do like as well and again wing t like those old school what we think of service academy offenses they use motion and they just change they run the same play but then they just change who's getting the ball the angle that the blocker's coming from and that's really just all it is it's just twisting the staples you mentioned keaton mitchell getting a few touches here and there yeah that's that's that's probably the biggest question mark for a marion hampton right it's like yes how much is he going to get the ball and mcdaniel was quoted you know he's kind of a trickster you never really know what in the media it's hard to really know what he's being truthful about but he was like yeah sorry fantasy people like ball's gonna move around can't tell you who's gonna get it the most it's gonna be opponent dependent do you feel like that is a smoke screen or and like do you feel confident that hampton is the guy who will get the majority of carries in the offense or do you think mcdaniel is just gonna mix it up and give it to whoever and kamani vidal is gonna get five carries a game i think hampton is the guy but having said that there's gonna be stuff designed for mitchell so it's like that's what's tough is that just like moser that one year was he was just getting a lot of play calls inside the 20 so it might be where mitchell they use his speed because and that's another thing with mcdaniel he just kind of thinks looks at sport in the right way like you can tell he really thinks of like size of the field and the angles of everything because when you get into the red zone you can't attack vertically so how do you speed all right run to the side really really fast and then that's what he does and so that's where i think keaton mitchell comes into play is he's gonna get those kind of gimmies that moser got so not a lot of yards but maybe a backwards vulture like you know it's not the one yard vulture it's like the inside the 15 vulture because his speed is i don't know what i was trying to think of a different one a different bird there crap but no it's a vulture yeah yeah it's yeah it's uh yeah i don't know i don't want vultures kind of hop i saw a video the other day the top comment you see that like cornerbacks try after cornerback breaks up a pass like i know that was great that's good yeah it was perfect though but i saw the tweet originally i was like yeah okay and then i saw the vulture i'm like oh they nailed it that's exactly what they look like it's just devon with yeah but uh so i think i think mitchell if i want to like it's like a 70 30 in my head but the 30 super valuable like you know it's like five touches but one touchdown and or one big run off of it and they might use personnel groupings where they this way they did in miami of last few years where they get both backs on the field pony personnel so that's not so he's i think he's gonna have a role there's a reason they went out and got him and he's gonna have a role and he's gonna have a role and he's gonna along with alec ingle that's the other guy that mike mcdaniel had the wanted poster for i love mcdonald it's just like kind of a troll it's like i'll take my shirt off if you draft brennan thompson okay i don't know what to do with that information but now i'm excited about brennan thompson i know we're always like man coaches are too curmudgeon-y and they're we need them to be more online and younger oh not like this too much too much too much like get a little bit more no we need a little bit more gruffness do less you're doing too much and i think that's really great of all the intricate questions and details about the blocking having said that we have o'marian hampton 15th and uh my question is is that too high or too low and i know that that's kind of our job is to figure out the 15 but for the chargers in particular i think like there's a world where figuring o'marian hampton's the most important person in all fantasy this year because mike mcdaniel compared him to terrell davis who that that caught my eye who had a two thousand yards lb at like 27 years ago and i'm like oh my god i'm gonna have to go and i don't know it's like if you're doing your draft and we took derrick henry and ashton genti ahead of o'marian hampton are you like kind of looking sideways or does that make total sense to you uh maybe not maybe not derrick henry because just look at the rest of the offense there too and the oc but no i i you said 15 i view them more like i'd be comfortable taking them at nine or ten um so like right at the tail end of the first round yeah uh him and that's the kind of low on um just i don't know how low you want to call the guy small top 10 last year um but the guy that i think will get boost from the offense surroundings because it's just it's just a formula for me it's running back talent kubiak shanahan offense profit like that's kind of just what i'm kind of going bet my betting on there and just competency around him so um but no hampton i am pretty bullish on this year like even with the mitchell stuff like mitchell can still have stuff and a role but i think it's just a formula for me i think it's just a formula for me i think that hampton's gonna get some really juicy touches how much would you want to reach for keaton mitchell later in drafts like is there a five percent chance he is raheem mostert from 2023 a watered-down version of that or a chance yeah no no there yeah there definitely is a possibility and hampton got banged up last year like that's you know you got that possibility as well no no mitchell is definitely one of those guys of all the however you want to put it rollbacks you know you're handcuffed in the backfield however you put it that's like the one that you kind of should be everybody should be here marking um as kind of like the guy to maybe reach for it's like hey i don't know i'll just get keane mitchell and try and get into that backfield because there's gonna have a role there's like the kenneth gainwells and the rashad white rashad white there's that's kind of where keaton mitchell is going in drafts right now and to you you're like the upside is much higher with a guy like mitchell yeah yes because i think just no matter what he'll have a a role and then the role that could be more if depending on hampton i want to ask you about herbert a little bit because you know no no rashaun slater last year joe alt really only played a handful of games in the first nine weeks uh when alt played like half of those herbert was the qb6 and more specifically what i want to ask you about which i'm curious if you have any thoughts through those nine weeks herbert led all quarterbacks in rushing yards which i don't think people are realizing 34 yards a game rushing through the first nine weeks do you think that sticks under mcdaniel mcdaniel's never really had a mobile quarterback like that because i mean especially not in miami but like do you think that will be a part of the game plan do you think it'll be herbert is only scrambling or do you think using him like a josh allen will be involved in the mcdaniel offense those every time i'm always like oh uh the shanahan guys got their running quarterback they're going to use them like this this and that like just sprinkle in they never do like they just never ever do like uh even last year with clint kubiak and sam darnold i was like oh yeah okay we can they're gonna they never rushed him like it was just scrambles that he picked up on that so if it is something it's a very designer red zone thing that they see in his own so i don't think it's a staple like it is with josh allen where they carry six plays every week because we know we might sprinkle them in and josh has always been such a heavy scrambler anyways that's also a difference and maybe i was going to look at the actual numbers but herbert has started to scramble more period just the last couple years i think his coaches have encouraged him to be more aggressive as a scrambler and he's running for his goddamn life that too yeah but he was he was he's a very he's a weird thing because he's like by the book sometimes herbert like you want him to be a little bit more i've always i've said this before one time like you want to be a little bit like cheat the class and smoke a cigarette not such a teacher's pet like he kind of follows the book and it's kind of like hey be loose like be like mahomes a little bit or josh like just go do some stuff um and i think he tapped into it a little bit but then he also just got beat to crap last year where he was yeah so he scrambled eight percent of the time last year the year before that was five and a half percent the year before that was six point two percent so it's increased and before that was around three percent so he's almost more than double what he used to do so it is gonna be a part of his game i think though how banged up he got last year they're gonna shy away from that and i also think the circumstances being a little bit bit better will help that as well just the offense being more having more auxiliary answers having better check down options having better progressions on some stuff that he doesn't need to to scramble as many times like when you get taught a play and my example for this has always been like me and taught by paul christ he would go all right nate you go one to two to three to check down all right russ you go one to two to scramble so right you're like use your gifts and what you're good at like i'm not you don't want me scrambling but then herbert and my i i don't know what they'll do you never want to a scrambling but maybe mcdaniel's like yeah yeah keep it up but i think it's going to drop a little but more to that five to six percent rate so not so much designer runs because i'm basically looking at like you know herbert is going as like the eighth quarterback in draft right now we have him a little bit higher but if you really want to break that like top three or four and you're looking at dudes like lamar and josh allen and hertz and drake may all those guys run and all those guys run into the end zone yeah and so i'm like yes can herbert to reach that tier would he like he'll need to rush probably to do that and you're saying that you're not super confident that that'll be a part of the offensive game plan yeah i don't think that week to week it would just be happenstance of scrambling as opposed to designs like those guys get more designs and lamar though is running less and less like he yeah he dropped from i mean we could talk about declan doyle too but he's dropped from like seven and a half design runs to like two um last year so that's something i'm just kind of keeping an eye on it's like is that do you factor the hamstring into that at all though he's clearly that's why i don't know is that him just totally changing his game is that him with his injuries he's gonna have to he was has been steadily declining no matter what but then it dropped off a cliff last year where it was like wow you're just kind of just it's pick and choose it's more scrambles than design runs which is the difference with him so um yeah but i that's something i'm keeping my eye on with him is that permanent or not you so i mean let's just go to the ravens then i think that is the other biggest thing i mean lamar you part of me wonders you know he's almost 30 you have to stretch you know it's like one of those that's kind of an amazing thing that happens in your 20s you have to like stretch to work out then you have to stretch just walk around when you're 30 you don't even just to exist so maybe now that lamar can stretch uh i do wonder we have lamar as a like our number two quarter behind josh and the question is just it's not that he's number two but whether you actually reach do you think that he will return to that level as a rusher but i think the overall offense is the thing i'm most fascinated by because i still think derrick henry has it and then zay flowers is also this bizarre guy where it's like between the 20s he's amazing and then he gets like no end zone targets he has the count somehow calvin johnson disease of falling over at the two yard line and the only 250 pound finesse runner which is like say it breaks people's brains where it's like because he's yeah because he's not like errol campbell where he's like he's very big and extremely hard to tackle but derrick henry's like i'm really fast too i'm gonna run by you so it's like once he gets into the goal line situations he's like no i'm breaking this long like as opposed to like i'm putting my head down and running you over like it's just his mindset not calling him soft or anything it was a revelation last year i think it was last year the year before when we discovered how bad derrick henry is from the one yard line he's terrible he's just not good at it it's the last thing you would have expected but he topples like a cartoon and he can't catch he's the weirdest athlete he catches football i mean yeah he has receiving stats but those are all screens it's like he catches the football like it's a balloon or like a like a beach ball he's like it's so weird like i know some guys can be such good athletes and then certain things they're just not that good at do you want to start with just your overall thoughts on declan doyle and what you think the offense is yeah and this is a theory you know it's all like i've never seen him call plays your guy's not gonna be one-to-one when he comes off of ben johnson um but it's just the i think what he'll try to do on offense makes sense for what they have um i think their offensive line will be improved i really like their old line coach um he just came over from atlanta uh and like so i like the stuff that he does he got the most out of his guys zone run heavy scheme um doyle and the old line coach and derrick henry's best at zone run so you can see a lot of zone stuff still um and also it's just more just the pass catchers is gonna be so interesting to me how they sort that out um i know zay flowers are one of these rookies real and lane um i think elijah schrotzman's gonna be one of those rookies real and lane um i think elijah schrotzman start struggling a little bit how the tight ends sort themselves out after mark andrews um and really if just henry can just kind of keep it going but and two or kind of continuing the thought of like lamar not running is he has always been underrated as a pocket passer but it's going to be more important now and i think this offense is conducive to that because it's a tax explosive place which is how you want to use lamar you want him launching stuff down the field you don't want him nickel and diming and because again i'll just i'll just i'll just i found the stats total rushing yards per game this on just design runs and scrambles lamar had 80 yards per game in 2019 it was 26 last year so again the year before last year is 51 or 2024 i should say if it's more that all right that's 25 to 30 yards every game we have to figure out how we can find it you know to make this math work and to me that's hunting for more explosive plays now to me also is which receiver can step up and so that's why i'm really clear outside zay flowers i should say so i'm really clear outside zay flowers i should say so i'm really clear outside so i'm curious kind of like how that all unfolds so i'm excited but i'm also have a lot of questions to see just how it kind of figures out so i didn't help you guys at all no it's totally good do you think there's any reason i feel like we joked that that zay flowers to me is like the siren song of fantasy football where every year it's like just put the wax in your ears get through the season and he's not going to pop he's last two seasons he's on average wide receiver 29 we talked about it before in between the 20s he's fantastic he was fifth in target rate over the run when he gets in the red zone over the last two seasons he's tied with alan lazard for with 50th among all wide receivers and red zone targets do you see any of that changing are you buying any of the hype around zay flowers or is he going to be the same old guy i think he's the same old guy um because he's not growing six inches like he he is you know once he's excited that you know it's just because yeah but but it's just that's in the red zone usually if you have the drop off it's going to be lack of feel or ball skills um which is something that showed up with julio sometimes of all people but it's just that's in the red zone usually if you have the drop off people but then also if you just lack size and and sometimes quarterback wise guys are worse in the red zone because they don't have that arm zip to really just drive it through a whole bunch of guys or they have poor you know play call design lamar's always been funky in the red zone like he'll kind of he prefers to kind of this is where he prefers to create his place and do stuff off script that's not great for a guy like zay flowers who's really who's smaller that's better for big guys like mark that's why mark andrews always gets those touches that he drops half the time so it's it's that's that's kind of i think it's just always going to be that way with zay flowers i just generally getting back to declan do real quick because i kind of want you to just do this for every new offense since we don't know a ton about declan doyle like is there something like a signature that declan do like it only comes from the sean payton tree so i don't really know what that means exactly you know what i mean like yeah what what can we kind of expect from this offense probably somewhat nothing crazy different just because lamar has been so good um but like is there something that stands out as like oh this is what we're going to see that we haven't really seen before with him yeah like lamar and that's the thing lamar has done quote-unquote real quarterback stuff on your center play action all that stuff we talk about all the time and um so i think it is going to be more of that that's something they kind of um made caleb do last year and caleb at first was like oh crap and then by the end of the year it was like looking really good lamar has already shown that he's been pretty good at that um so you're gonna see a little bit more kind of a traditional attack and monken um had them do that as well greg roman has had lamar do that like so it's not something again too different like you're saying dk um so again an under center run game a lot of zone a lot of boots off those zones a lot of kind of like movement throws which lamar is good at as well yeah very chunk heavy though this offense that's it i've likened ben johnson's offense and sean payton really originally but then what i think doyle is going to do um it's like a three-point shooting basketball offense where it's yeah sometimes you you only have a 55 percent completion percentage and there's some drives where you go three and out but then there's some drives you score in two plays there's some drives you score in five plays and it's 20 yards a pop and boom boom boom and you're also you score and the defense has no idea what hit them so it's gonna be a lot more chunk heavy again lamar and the ravens offense has tapped into this um before but it really to me i'd feel better if i just really knew what i'm getting with the pass catchers because i again i'm not super high on flowers as a real football player i can't believe they paid him that much money um yeah i've been going crazy on it i think he's a fine number two but i'm like that's a lot of money like one of the highest paid receivers in the league yeah i think there's a baltimore tax like the ravens for whatever reason can't attract free agency receivers and you know there's jacoby lane is getting a lot of hype but a lot of it is because jameson henley tweeted that i've covered the ravens for 27 years and he's the best guy and i was i saw that i'm like well they zay flowers is the only pro bowl receivers the ravens have ever had jameson henley hasn't seen many good receivers it's our old steve smith and that's like it yeah and i'm like if you'd cover him like a different team like the vikings should be like man jacoby lane's not even one of the best receivers i've ever seen right well that's actually funny when my dad was with the vikings they signed a couple former ravens receivers that like like had better years with the vikings they said that's just like their philosophy they're just gonna sign broken ravens receivers and profit with a better offense like marcus robinson was one um but no it's yeah no that's actually a really good point because the ravens have never really had it too i think it's but i think it's because belichick set up their system and for what i think the patriots and ravens not being able to find receivers is related i'm convinced of this but we don't have to get into that tangent but no there's definitely a patriot's reason it's because he overweighs special teams value too much and it's like the good receivers don't play special teams you're watching the wrong to play special teams like they might be a returner but like yeah sorry that's that's disappointed with debo samuel as a gunner and he's like yeah it's not that's just not for me just not for me so speaking of uh real quick uh the ravens making decisions with their cap and and who they're going to sign they retain mark andrews let likely go what's the deal with mark andrews have you what have you seen from him like just watching the tape is he washed at this point or can we expect something big for him this year kind of a bounce back what do you think um i think stat like i've never been big on him um i think he's really inconsistent player which uh and kind of shows up yeah um especially when you're like this you're nine you kind of know what you're getting uh but it's he's a fine enough blocker and then as a receiver he's a good blocker and then as a receiver he's a good blocker and then as a receiver again where his value has come was with lamar creating like he has a great him and lamar have one of those weird synergies weird chemistries especially in the red zone but i think lamar's trying to get away from that game so i think that's why mark andrews has felt less productive um because he's never really been an in process productive guy if that makes sense or in the line of play um in the progression i should say it's more just the stuff that happens outside the play um so i again not super high on him i think they their need to find guy that's a better blocker too um i think they really like that matt hibner guy yeah um but uh the rookie tight end uh so that might be i shouldn't tell you guys any rookies you know we're in the same dynasty i'm not worried about you in the know how long i had to go without talking about ryan fornoy i hate to bring it to you i literally picked up uh hibner today in traders alley so did you i just ruined that i meant to do that it's all right enjoy your like waiver transactions i'll just sit here with three of the four trophies and i'm just gonna okay because you got josh allen the number one pick well okay i got herbert with third which might work out this year finally oh herbert wins that's crazy yeah but it doesn't matter for fancy it's great it's awesome who cares it's weeks 1 through 16 baby we're 17 now um no the uh where was it oh no no hibner no this is actually why i didn't say shit about ryan fornoy for weeks and months so i was trying to get him on all my fancy teams and then i started talking about him after i did that he was one of those guys him and uh mitchell evans for the panthers um and then i started talking about him after i did that so i was like okay i'm gonna get him on all my fancy teams i'm gonna get him on all my fancy teams no but i i think that's another thing it's just so it's like i don't know the best way too long doing read of the ravens i guess is the center is really important i have no idea who's starting at center for them okay and then also is their auxiliary parts auxiliary receivers backup tight ends they need one of those guys to step up and i would feel a lot better but right now i'm kind of like like lamar i think i'm gonna like doyle i like the line coach but the rest of them kind of just squint at a little bit so like last two years ago lamar threw 41 touchdowns if he throws for 30 this year who catches the most touchdowns on the team it's probably gonna be andrews you do yeah because it's just the red zone stuff yeah i know that's a good way to put it that's actually a great way to kind of shorthand it i'm i'm buying lamar i'm buying uh i'm buying derrick henry in the weirdest year or he's kind of the outlier like you know it's like i get it but we don't see 250 pound running backs running four four so he's gonna his aging curve's gonna look a little different yeah than the guys that are 5 10 190 pounds back in the day like his aging curve looks different so but that's the only two i'm buying it 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am bullish on overall what's going to be in a year in 27 but i also think genti is the one to you i'm a big buy on him this year especially if he's kind of falling further than i want him to or i think he should and again it's just the math of a kubiak shannon offense because this old line was so bad last year it was the best running back rushing success rate in the league um and genti is way more talented than that but and the old line had a little bit more to them and they're added to the old line was tyra linderbaum um you know colton miller's fine the rest of the line i would say is fine but it's not the worst in the week you know it's not how bad it was last year the offense and this is why the seahawks run game and offense felt better than maybe the totality of their offensive line because their center right guard weren't great this offensive or this offensive system helps the o-line so if the o-line just even feels average then a really talented running back like genti is going to kind of you know reap the benefits of that um now on top of that i think they have enough receiving because of bowers but then trey tucker is like the real kind of like if you just want a late late late dart throw you have a deep bench redraft league like maybe a trey tucker on your team isn't the worst because he's going to have a very valid role in this offense it's gonna be a lot of verticality from him so can he can in this offense like they love these types of guys um rashid would be a recent example but i mean just anyone in these offenses they've really benefited from that so that'd be one guy maybe by but i like what they're building here it's more maybe for 2027 2028 with fernando but i do like kind of what this office system is and i think genti's up i think he's priced okay right now but put it like if i end up with him i'm fairly happy about it so that's maybe my best way to put it so he's going 10th in drafts i know we haven't ranked a little bit after that like we we haven't ranked one spot ahead of derrick henry derrick henry last year put up over 1700 total yards and had 16 touchdowns yeah i guess the question is like for genti to be the 10th overall pick in a fantasy draft that henry stat line doesn't need to just be possible for genti it kind of needs to be like borderline likely like do you do you think like 1500 plus plus yards and like 15 touchdowns is kind of like yeah that's probably what genti's gonna have this year or 75 catches hold on what what what did a chain have he's like slow down he's like whoa whoa i'm like 1515 touchdowns that's like i'm like trying to like rack my brain okay okay this is this is what i think is a safe yeah okay what do you want a chain head last year is kind of like what i think is kind of my median projection for genti this year so he had 1350 yards eight touchdowns and the receiving he had 67 catches 488 yards and 12 and four touchdowns so that is like that's like 1800 total yards and like 15 it doesn't touchdowns yeah and i i think that's kind of my like pretty high like 70th 80th percentile projection kind of thing like that's how i put it but i'm betting on that if that makes sense again i like other guys but i feel like right where he's at is kind of fair um like but with bullish error pulling up my fear with genti is that they're they're every year there's a running back in the top you know 12 running backs or top six really that rich rebar was talking about this at warren sharp's site that usually good rough running backs in fantasy are on winning teams because they're giving the ball carries and scoring touchdowns and there's sometimes one good guy but usually you have to be in a winning team and this year i feel like devon hn is going to be a losing team ashton chance is question is do you actually think the raiders might win nine games because if not oh the raider like the genti going around the bills and the bills are probably gonna win 12 games and saquon and the eagles could win 12 games and the ravens with derrick henry is the ravens defense and i'm like looking around and i'm like genti is just the team is so much worse very fair that i worry that he needs to move to the back of this line of the chargers who maybe could win a bunch of games maybe you believe in the chargers or not the cheese with ken walker chase brown and the bengals like who have the easiest schedule in the nfl that's my fear i'm like well the team's probably gonna suck and so then i look at brock bowers because the defense on the raiders is probably not great and i keep wondering if brock bowers is like jsn last year when clint kubiak was coordinated the seahawks offense it do you am i crazy to say that do you feel like the point of half the raiders dropbacks will be just get the ball to brock you yeah yeah uh yeah no there's gonna be a heavy usage like these this off this is why i'm talking to matt harman at yahoo like last year we were very bullish on jsn because it's like if all these kubiak shanahan offenses if they have a dude at receiver or tight end they're gonna hyper focus on him they're gonna funnel everything through him and everything builds off of that and they'll find different ways to do it um i keep coming back to when clint kubiak or gary kubiak i'm sorry was with owen daniels in houston um and that's one where i'm like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be it's like they they've used owen daniels to a pro bowl and bowers is way better than that so like there is um uh jordan reed with uh with washington with the commanders yeah when he was with kyle shanahan had a hype i think he had a year where he was the leading target getter oh i looked this up just the other day i think on our show i think it was the 2014 commanders um that had kirk cousins as a quarterback uh under jay gruden that could be wrong here 2015 i think jordan reed had 250 yards and 11 touchdowns that year thank you that and that's they will hyper fixate on tight end if they have a tight end and so that's who else i like like jack bash yeah fine i like trey tucker is almost like a meme you know like it's like there's all right who else am i gonna target like jaylen nair i actually did like that signing but again it's more of a real football sense than like oh he's gonna break out in fantasy so yeah the 2015 washington commander is kind of what i point at um if you want bowers kind of like optimism uh that was in that was in just 14 games too and that was alfred morris that year they got banged up so that was the year that they didn't get the run game going either so um i know weird year but kirk cousins was quarterback as well so there's a little history as well with that speaking of him how many games does kirk cousins start i looked this up i think it was 11 or 12 was my guess yeah their buys in week 13 i thought he said look up the 2014 no no no no no no no i looked this up about our show because we we had the same guess uh i think week 13 is their buy yeah and then the schedule after that saying is exactly the same like yeah then they go to fernando if i remember correctly they have a murderer's row to start the season yeah yeah and then so it's like yeah i wouldn't want my guy in there but then after that then we start halloween to week after week 13 you know ish hi fitz if you're comparing brock bowers to other wide receivers going around him like because as much as everybody can love brock bowers you are comparing him basically to other wide receiver ones going in drafts like we have him ranked right next to aj brown do you feel like you want to take brock bowers over aj brown straight up i do because if you don't get the running back in the second round that it's like i if brock if you want to take brock bowers versus nico collins drake london aj brown the way i look at it is you could wait you could take brock bowers there wait four rounds and get like christian watson or got maybe even like mike evans and i'd rather have christian watson or mike evans and brock bowers then flip it and get like you know you might end up with like dallas goddard at tight end or something and i'm like i don't know maybe i'm crazy and i'm totally wrong but i just kind of like i don't know when the season starts and two was throwing to drake london i'd rather just have brock bowers and just hope that that brock bowers gonna break football because he's like he could just outdo nico collins in some statistical categories but he's gonna be doing it tight end so but you still want jenty derrick henry kenneth walker chase brown hampton you would take all those guys then the top 12 running backs yes that's everyone higher than jeremiah love and then jeremiah love i have like 12 spots between him and the next running back for me or like like either tight ends and receivers and stuff but the top 12 running backs the elite receivers and then i'm like bowers time for me it's a good segue if you want to talk about arizona i was going to say they i i am very biased against arizona i have no idea what you think but i feel like i'm very biased against arizona i have no idea what you think but i feel like i'm very biased against arizona i have no idea what you think but i feel like little baby lafleur was the 10th head coach hired out of 10 cycle and the 10 in the cycle they were last team to fill out their staff which is a sneaky disaster thing that always happens to bad teams who fill out a coach late and then you get the sloppy tenths of everybody who was not hired by the previous nine at coaches and then it's always like aaron glenn with the jets just got rid of a third of his staff because he was the last guy hired and so they have nate hackett at coordinator and i'm like i don't care about what's going on here you're in a division with kyle shanahan and the niners and mike mcdonald the seahawks and mcveigh and the rams and i'm like everyone understands what you want to do better than you do and i'm just look looking at this and i'm like you have no shot and you have a stupid haircut and with that said is there anything i'm missing i think he's pissed i'm just out it's a bad organization like the hardest division leading the way or hardest uh hardest schedule i think the worst divisional odds i've ever seen and again they come in last in the nflp so it's a bad organization with a bad owner and it again so with that said a lot of good offensive players good players good players uh hopefully they get into some track meets and you just kind of benefit from that from a looney tunes offense i think no i i get this i am as someone that bonded to drew petzing and what the offense was going to be i i actually liked the d coordinator nick rollis and i was like yeah cardinals they're sneaky why are you watching them under jonathan gannon and having truly truly a year from hell last year truly a year from hell um that yeah i kind of like wanted to temper all this and then maybe it's kind of like me and matt harman just you know it's two girls saying exactly to each other kind of you know you're kind of going back and forth yeah yeah they're going exactly marvin harrison jr with a quarterback that throws over the middle exactly like you know you know so i think i that i think really it is too is the floor i do like michael flora as far as like some of the play calling i think he will bring even if he is just again bobby sloic level you know i do think no that's better than that he's better than that uh but i do think that there is stuff core concepts he can bring he had a lot of input on what the ramp did changing the run game there's other components to that other stuff they guys they hired but he had a big input and all that and the play design of all that but i do think that their personnel fits what he wants to do um like wilson is a perfect fit for this offense because he's a good blocker he can line up at all three spots so he's kind of the sneaky buy i think he's not sneaky anymore i think people are already hyped up on him uh but he's the guy i'm like i'm trying to find the right price for and i think marvin harrison jr it's well it's a buy low it's a hey if he's falling everybody thinks he smells like you can get more out of him because his offense again yeah yeah i don't think he's ever gonna live up to his billing but if you have a quarterback right now that actually throws a dig on him and he's going to get used more like brandon cook's guy using that rams offense when he was there and so that's the type of kind of production i think for marvin harrison jr because he's not going to be used as a blocker he's going to be used as a finesse route runner and i i think that matches him a little bit better plus a quarterback that actually like throws the routes that he's good at which is usually those in breakers so um and again trey mcbride sherry mcbride even if i'm a little still think he's the same player but fantasy-wise i'm a little lower on trey mcbride this year just fantasy-wise but not as a mouth to feed because he won't run the most rounds in the history competency yeah kyler loved trey mcbride like jacoby targets him a decent amount but kyler mike would just like bypass the focus just to find trey mcbride because he trusted him so much so yeah that i think yeah that's the question is like i love trey mcbride too but like how high is too high it's probably too high right now just based on the natural regression from being one of the highest targeted tight ends ever um you probably just expect that to come down a little bit right i'd rather buy on loveland or warren than than mcbride this year and again it's not mcbride is the exact same player it's nothing against what he is as a player it's just fantasy production i think it was just the perfect circumstances last year you mentioned what the floor did in the run game with the rams now him in arizona with jeremiah love who looked awesome in this preseason game last weekend until he hurt his ankle if you set the ankle injury aside do you think we are underrating his usage and how and how strong it will be i think there was a lot of once again like coach speak it was like we're going to be mixing in everybody algeria and james connor whatever he out snapped algeria 16-6 in this game this weekend he played on third down he played inside the ted yard line do you feel like this will be less of a split than people perhaps thought if jeremiah love is healthy and that actually we should be not that there's a dip on him at all but like i do think in fantasy community people are a little bit worried that this is like a we'll wait until next year with jeremiah love do you think that's perhaps short-sighted and you should just get him now oh man that's tough i i it's what my best answer is i would prefer him in dynasty to redraft this year just because i want to see how it plays out but that's a cop-out answer algeria is going to have a role because the thing about algeria is that he earns that play time because he's good in protection he's a good receiver he never fumbles so last year algeria played about 30 percent of the snaps i if love were healthy that's exactly the same thing i think it's a 70 30 or 65 35 thing where they split by series you know bajan would go two series and then algeria get one that works out to about two-third one-third um so that's how i envision this role like algeria is a coach's favorite type he's also one of the most perpetually underrated players in the league i don't understand why he didn't have a free agent market but that's a whole separate conversation um but then he goes on this team of course like i'm not worried about james connor at all because just injuries the age the toll that he's taken as far as fantasy terms he's a great teammate to have in real football terms but i really do think once love comes back healthy but it is a high ankle sprain yeah and that is a six-week injury and and i've been pounding the table about this on on my pod on football 3-1 is just being like that's a it's a four-week injury really to where you've kind of looked the same but to looking 100 it's six weeks so like any time about week one or anything so that's another reason why i'm buying a little bit lower is i think it's gonna be week three-ish till he's actually kind of like all right so and then they might ease them back in anyways because that is their prize pick so i do think algier will have a role that'll eat into some of it real quick nate people are comparing uh jeremiah love to adrian peterson this past weekend the way he runs who who's who's your cup by the way meeting the witness your honor uh it's uh oj simpson is this just my on the field running comparison and if you watch them run you'll have the screen you'll be able to watch them run and you'll be able to see the field running comparison and if you watch them run you'll have the screen you'll have the screen you'll have the screen you'll have the same, just, you, I guess you can watch OJ made in America to watch that. Um, you know, if you want to, to see the totality of it, but no, he runs like OJ Simpson. I mean, Jeremiah Love doesn't know who Jared Goff is. He might not even know who OJ Simpson is. Right. Right. Exactly. So yeah, we can be fine there. Well, let's put them in the new naked gun, Jeremiah Love. Wait, Dave, You saw the video where Jeremiah Love didn't know Jared Goff was, right? I didn't, but that's hilarious. He went on Amon Ross' podcast, and they showed all these cutouts, like headshots, and they pulled up Jared Goff, and he's like, who's that? And they're like, you ever heard of this guy? He's like, oh, he's Lion's quarterback. He's like, oh, okay, when? And Amon Ross is like, now. He's my quarterback. He's like, that's your quarterback? No, it's not that he didn't recognize him. It's that he'd never heard of Jared Goff. That's crazy. They said the name, and he was like, who? I kind of like that. He's just doing his own thing. It's not like some seventh-rounder that came out of nowhere. He was the number one pick. And that was 10 years ago. So how old was he? So he was like 12? Yeah. 11? I mean. I just love the idea that he was like, when? Amon was like, now. He's like, that's your quarterback now? He's like, oh, he's great. Do you guys remember when Ryan Tannehill didn't know the divisions? Really? Oh, really? It's on Hard Knocks. Yeah, when they did the Dolphins, when he was a rookie, they talked about the divisions in the NFL, and he didn't know the NFL had divisions, and he didn't know what they are. Who's that? Ryan Tannehill, first-round quarterback. Top 15 pick. My lord. Right? And that's the thing. I get it. I'm a nerd about sports. Yeah, yeah. I know I'm preaching to the choir here when we talk all about it and stuff like that, but it's like, what were you doing? They didn't know they had divisions? Yeah, that's it. Like, Puka not knowing the Cardinals are in the NFC West. I get it. That's Puka. And it's on the Cardinals. They're not competitive. A quarterback, you'd think you'd know what the idea of a division is. Yeah. And also, if I drafted a quarterback in the first round, he'd better be a freaking junkie about football and actually know that. Like, that would be a question I actually want to have for guys now. It's like, name me the teams in each division. I want to know what you know. That's a good interview question. That's like way worse than no one coming to the quarterback's birthday party. I think so, too. But, you know, that should be the plot for drafting, too. Well, they're both red flags, but yeah. The old scout, there's an old scout adage about, like, a quarterback has to be one of two things, either an angel or an asshole. And it's like, so you want either the guy that everyone loves would take a freaking bullet for, or the guy, everyone hates, but you got to just respect the talent. Yeah. You can't have the guy in the middle. You got to, they rally around you because they hate you so much, but God dang, you're good. Or, man, he's the best guy ever. He's the greatest. So, it's usually one of two things. You got to think you're God, or believe in God, or think you are God. Yeah. That's a better way to put it. I like that. I'm going to yell at that old scout. Stupid scout. Yeah. Wait, before we get off the Cardinals real quick, Marvin Harrison Jr., is he good? Not as good as I thought he would be. Okay. I think that's the best way to put it, but still could be a good. How good did you think he would be? I thought he'd be just like his dad. I thought he'd be a taller version of his dad. I thought he was just going to be a souped up reception monster. I didn't think he'd be a star star, like an overpowering monster, like the dude, but I thought he would just be a super productive, like we look at it, a high-end tier two, borderline tier one guy, kind of like that. Like, yeah, but I thought like medium, like actually Brandon Cooks, production-wise, I thought, okay, we're going to get at least that out of him. You know, 1,200 yards, seven, eight touchdowns. You're not totally scared about him, but man, he can kill you. But now I'm kind of like, yeah, that's actually kind of more the comparison I might think of what his career ends up being more like, just a taller Brandon Cooks. Man. The catch point stuff is real. It's showed up too much. Is that why he got so big, like big muscles this offseason, big biceps? He's just like, I need to like win at the catch point. Stronger grip strength. I mean, hopefully. Yeah. Because that, that showed up. Like, that's not just even a talking point, right? Or it's a justified talking point, I should say. Like, because it showed up in games and it showed up my, my first, I went to a Cardinals practice again. I was so bullish on him. I even went to a fricking camp a couple of years ago and him and Kyler could not connect. Like they went like, oh, for five. And I was like, hmm. All right. But all of them were like contested ones and they're like, they're moving away. And I was like, all right, keep that in the back of my head. And it's like, never got away. So I think that's always going to be a thing until proven otherwise. Can I? I, sorry. I just got deja vu. I'm reading this quote from Marvin Harrison. It says, this is a quote from last year, the coaching staff. Oh no, I spoiled it. I was going to read you a quote and pretend it was this year, but it was last year. But the point was Marvin Harrison's new physique will really help him this year. But it's just, I know I was going to say he got big last year. That was everything you guys said. Yeah. He did it all. But he's bigger now. It's going to keep getting bigger. Doubling down on it more every year. The tires on his truck are just bigger every year. Look how cool this is. Swear. No, it's, it's the Bart Simpson when he wants to be tall in the movie. Like he's not, so he has the, the pointed up hair and he stands on the high platform shoes and he's like, no, he has like the little tiny Chihuahua dog to make himself look bigger. The visual, the visual is better than my explanation. I can picture it. Yeah. We do memento tattoos every year. Like the Christopher Nolan movie where we tattoo lessons from the season before on our bodies that we can't forget. Last year we tattooed in ourselves that Michael Wilson is better than Marvin Harrison. And we're like, we're just not going to take, I watched it with my eyes. I watched how good Michael Wilson, I'm just not doing it. I'm not taking Marvin Harrison jr. Over him. We had to like to stick that. Uh, I don't know if we've all done it, but at least two of us have Marvin Harrison, one spot below Michael Wilson. Do you think straight up stat raw fantasy stats, who's going to have more of this year? Uh, I think Marvin Harrison jr. Still ends up with it all. But the thing is I'd rather buy into Michael Wilson because at price where I think he'll end up going and fancy, but that's the thing too, is like us talking is different than. Each league is so different. Like, you know what I mean? Like some people are going to value Wilson properly. And some are just going to be like, who Marvin Harrison jr. He's good. Right. You know, like you got to weigh that kind of stuff, but they should be close together. I still think Harrison jr. Is just going to get some nice touches in this offense. Like, I just think Wilson would go to ask, and this is kind of the, the kind of no good D goes on punished, like, oh, he's a good blocker. All right. Let's have him block more are Marvin. You don't have to block. Now here's your touchdown. You know, sometimes you get screwed in those kinds of roles, like, you know, thanks Robert woods for blocking the guy. Here's another little touchdown, Brandon. Like, that's kind of like, maybe I kind of think of that in my head, but. I, again, if the price is fair, I'm trying to get Wilson. Like, I think that's the guy I kind of want it. I think he's the one that can outperform where he gets drafted the easiest. So there's more timelines for that. Is there a team that you're concerned about? Like a team where everyone's like, they're getting 18 new play callers. They can't all be, you know, rain, rainbows and sunshine. Is there any team where you're like, I don't know if this is going to work? Oh my God. Oh yeah. I. Even texted you this. Yeah. The Titans, Brian Dable. Oh my God. That preseason game was like, I, you know, I have alarm bells going with Brian Dable, but now it's just wringling, lingling. I couldn't even watch. I was my everything turned red. It was just, it was just, it was just everything bad. It was, it was the Daniel Jones offense in 2022 or 2023, 2022. Oh my God. It was the same thing. RPOs, the run game actually had some moments, but it was the same RPOs that you ran with Daniel Jones. And again, it's preseason week one. But it was like, but it's the same old shit. So it's like, so that's, what's the concerning is like that Dable has not shown to me that he can trot out the staple, you know, the basic black and white stuff on week, you know, preseason week one. It's like, that's what he's going to run. You know, it's not like other guys like Andy Reed will be super basic. And then the season starts, it's a lot different. It's like, no, Dable has not shown me anything, but yeah, I was concerned because I've been saying for like months now, like the whole summer, basically that it was like, I think Brian Dable has made every quarterback he's played. Like coach better for like 10 years going back to like Bama. And again, I think it's hard. It's less of a point now because Daniel Jones was good, but yeah, right. A year ago from today, it was pretty impressive to have won a playoff game with Daniel Jones, but I have to admit the priest, I was shocked at how the Titans could, like, they couldn't really complete screen passes. Nope. And I was, I got to tell you, I was, the wind was out of my sails. Cause I actually thought the Titans might be better than the Colts this year straight up. And then I watched that and I was like, ah, it's the preseason. Right. But I, I, I'm pretty nervous. I was starting like this thing is like, I, I previewed the AFC South today actually. So, uh, I was even talked about this was, it was like, all right, Robert Sala, he has his warts, but like, man, he always gets defense going. Like the defense will play hard. Like his players always play hard for him. I will credit him with that. And it was like, they built the defense up where I was like, man, this front seven is going to like bash some heads in like, seriously, it's going to be a kick-ass defense. So I was like, all right, all right. And then the old line, I'm like, eh, they drafted the Cardinal Tate. And I was like, okay. And then the preseason though, the old line. The old line looked good. JC Latham looked way better than he did the last couple of weeks, a couple of years. I should even say they have this other rookie Fernando Carmona, who I'm deep in the draft, did not watch him, but he was very, very productive. I thought in the first preseason game. So like maybe start feeling better. Then I'm watching the passes and I'm like Wendell Robinson, who's been in this offense for what? Five years now. Like how he ran the bubble was weird. Like he didn't get enough depth. And then it was like the fact the ball, you work on bubbles from day one. So from OTAs, that's what you want. And if that's like a not feeling right, that's, it's just one of those canary in the coal mines for me. It's like, well, what is this whole offensive infrastructure looking like now, you know, like everything else looks a little convoluted. So I'm still high on cam ward. Like there's no stat I can point at that goes like, trust me here, bro. Like he's going to be good. It's just more just tape. But like how that looked, it was really concerning to me. And cam ward had a wide open corner route and it was a good play design. Doesn't even look like it looks at the guy and just start scrambling. So he doesn't feel comfortable. On what looks like a core concept. So it, like I said, the alarm bells are ring-a-linging right now. And I just don't, I'm scared. Dable's going to go, oh, I have like every other running quarterback I've ever had. I'm just going to run cam ward. He's young. Like he can do it. And then it's like, no, cam wants to win from the pocket. Like whenever Dable gets stressed, he just runs his quarterback. So it's like, you know, that's his fight or flight is I'm going to run my quarterback. It's actual, you know? And so I'm a little scared. He's going to try cam ward, do the same thing. Yeah. It's, I don't know. or ring it. I like the defense, but the offense is a little scary right now. Is that something, because I don't, you know, I don't remember clearly enough, but like is a lack of detail been kind of an issue for the day ball offenses going back from the Giants through like onto the Bills and everything? Like has a lack of detail been an issue or is that kind of just like something that's happening now? You're like, oh, I don't know about this. It was the Bills. It was pretty loosey goosey because he allowed a lot of choice routes from his guys and from Diggs and Cole Beasley. So that's one of those where it's like, yeah, but they were winning. So I kind of like, don't, it worked for them. You know, it's not what I would install. But with the Giants, even though it was just, again, we're on a pod with a Giants fan, so he knows, but it's, you know, with the, like lack of detail, just with the team, like the kicker situation would show up. You're going to wind up if it's up right now. Right? Because it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. I've never seen an NFL team do that. And he did it like three times. The Giants have to be the only team to have lost a game because they didn't have a kicker on the roster twice. And they did it thrice. Like they literally had their back, like their kicker was hurt on Wednesday. And then on Sunday, they didn't have a backup kicker. They were like, sorry, international pathway. He's Irish. And they're like, well, they get a fucking American who can show up to work three weeks ago. God, all right. There was a stance game they lost because they rostered four receivers and then one got hurt. And then they had to run four receiver packet. They didn't have any, they didn't have four receivers. So they're like trying to come down from 14 to seven minutes left and they didn't have any receivers. And I'm like, who could, who could have foreseen that's not the point. The fault is that, is that land on day ball in your experience? Like you're going to work and him and the G, whoever has control of the final 53, it's on them. The part of this that I don't think I connected Nate until you're until right now is you're right. That I never thought of day ball this way. Day ball actually does remind me sometimes of playing Madden. When you call a play, you don't really understand. And then you just kind of scramble when it doesn't look like what you thought it would look and you're like, fuck, and I'm going to run. Cause that's why I play with Lamar Jackson or Michael Vick. And I'm realizing tables had that for 10 years because all those guys I was talking about was Jalen hurts at Bama, Josh Allen and Buffalo, Daniel Jones at the giants and Jackson dart, New York. And I never thought about, yeah, the constant didn't work, but that's why he's on the move. Right. And like the quarterback has been bailing him out for like a decade and cam words, not fast. And I never thought about that, but you're right. He probably is fucked without. So actually you're right. I actually probably out of the, the tights though. It's a really good, especially if he falls into stereotypes, like that's even worse. Like, you know, he's like, he's like, yeah, I got this guy. He can run. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's like more like Warren moon than the Mike Vick here. I know the three fastest white quarterbacks and since Steve. And that's when I look at it and I'm like, he has not ever shown to me that he can coach his way out of this. Like, that's why I need to give more to Mike McDaniel than maybe other coaches as goofy as he is. He's at old, line injuries. He's a quarterback. He had fricking Quinn Ewers last year and he's still putting up points and like creating offense. Like he's like trying to new stuff. It might not work, but let's try it. Dave was like, yeah, like you say, I call a play in mad and it's not working. Well, he calls a play, but he's running for 10 years and he's like, why isn't that working this time? And it's like, cause you don't have the dude to do it or you don't have the dudes to do it. You know, I'm number 17 from Buffalo, making everything look really, really good and helping it all out. So yeah, yeah. Red flags, red flags. To funnel this back to fantasy briefly. Do you think there's anyone on the Tennessee team at cost? Let's probably say, you know, Tony Pollard, Wandale Robinson and Carnell Tate. Is there anybody that you think has a chance to make any meaningful difference? Are you like, I'm good on it on every Titan? I'm good on every Titan because even, even Ward becomes something, he's not a runner. So you don't even get those cheapy stats. Yeah. You know, everything's going to be him being a gunslinger, which again, I am bullish on him figuring it out because he had such good moments last year, but, but fantasy wise, he's not like, got to get it. Like, like dart. I always can scramble like an idiot and get you some touchdowns and yards and everything. Ward is going to be trying to dice you up. And if the situation isn't great, then that leads to a little bit lower lows because they don't have that scrambling ability. Where did you land on Tate in the draft? I can't remember off the top of my head. He ended up being a receiver one, but it was like, again, another Simpson compared to other defaults. Yeah. Yeah. Default. Yeah. Two sweetest words in the English language, but I was also super high in Boston. So Tate, Tate, I had at like 13 overall, my big board in Boston, 14 or 14, 15, something like that. Do you do the Chris Sims and go back at it and just like have all the rankings. So you can now say you had Denzel Boston. He had 15 different big boards. Yeah. No, I wish I did. Just post all of them. I wish I did. Post every iteration next year. I will give big credit though. He was all over Boston from the very beginning. I love Boston. And Boston is amazing in camp. Six, four punt returners. Yeah. Me and Bill Belichick. We love them. No, it's, but really, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and this is funny. You say this like changing the rankings because I kind of had that moment with Tate. He might be, he might be 11. I think we're, so I'm not really trying to think because I go, Oh yeah, you know, I like him, but he's not a top 10 player in this draft. And then I started doing my big board. I'm like, season. I, as a giants fan should be grateful that the giants got a top 10 pick for Dexter Lawrence. What a great return. And then I had to listen to every draft analyst, including myself. Look, go be like, man, top 10 weakest. I can remember. Worst one. You want to be like, if the giants got an 11th pick, no one would have fucking cared. It'd been like bad, but it played out. But such a nice number. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I just, there's, there's 18 top 10 quarterbacks right now. That's the other thing is like, yeah, like I think I've called 14 quarterbacks, top 10 quarterbacks. So I think the fantasy thing off the Titans is if you're out on the team, you're out on the players and we just move all the players down. I think are, are there any other teams that you're either like lower on where you're like, I really don't know about this. In which case we'd probably want to dock every player. Cause if the quarterback's not playing, well, that's kind of the answer. Or is there anywhere you think the quarterback could be like really helped by the situation? Anything else? Any other teams you have to quarterback? Well, you know, whole function of the office. Yeah. I, um, I wish I had a good answer. I would say the lower on is, is overall with the 49ers just in general, just cause it looks like a mess there. Um, even if I like stribbling and everything, it's just that I, I think just the whole team just smells right now. Um, like the D like just George Kittle is going to come back from an Achilles in five months. Yeah. Right. Uh, have you noticed how the messaging has changed on that from I'll for sure be back week one and to, you know, hopefully maybe, you know, going to be ready to go to make the trip to Melbourne. I was like, yeah, okay. That's what I thought. Um, I'll say a level of competency that I think is getting underrated is drew pets and going to the lions. Um, I, I've kind of kept saying that like, he's not a home run higher, but he was a single that legged out to a double, uh, because I just think just the circumstances of the lions will be better than last year. Blake Miller, the offensive lineman they drafted, even though he's right side, he'll be better than Taylor Decker was on the left side, if that makes sense. Um, and I do think that they're trying to fill center. Cade Mays getting hurt sucks, but they at least are trying some, some stuff and moving some guys are, I would see if, uh, you know, uh, if whatever they want to move Taylor at which over, but I don't agree with that, but the backup they had in there was actually not bad. Um, but I do think pet sing at least is, if you say that he was boosted by Clayton Adams, who's with the Cowboys now, Hank Fraley is pretty good. And that that's another good line coach. So it's like the one negative I had with pet sing. He has one guy to kind of answer that. And I just think the personnel fits what he, he kept trying to call and I brought it up with the Cardinals, kept trying to call it all these digger outs for Kyler Murray, who can't throw over the middle. Cause he's short, but then he has now Jared Goff who would like, we cannot wait to throw a digger out. He's addicted to him. So it's like, he now has that, like a guy, a quarterback that's just more conducive to that. Just the defense isn't going to be great. So points wise up, up, up, up, up. Like, so I just think like, that's actually the lions are kind of a little bit of a, I don't want to say by low, but I think it's kind of their pet sing is a little bit underrated where it's gonna be so much better than it was last year. Cause Morton sucked so bad. Do you think that Jamison Williams or Sam Laporta will be a bigger beneficiary out of the pet sing offense? I think Laporta. But that's, I think Jamison Williams would still be, you know, I think he's like, Jamison feels fairly priced to me and that's just me. And I think St. Brown will have his role, but I think Laporta, Laporta was just also gotten banged up. So maybe some of that's going to help too, but I think Laporta will get some good usage. And this is an offense that loves to live in multi-tight ends. And Laporta has that skillset that he can line up anywhere. So I think pet sing can do some creative stuff out of empty with him. So for like, I can envision his role. He's not just going, Hey, Trey McBride's coach. That means the tight end is going to be good. There's a little bit of that, but I do think just the circumstances of all makes sense to me. Lions also playing a fourth place schedule. I think they have the easiest schedule in the NFL this year. They do. And all the indoor games, bad defense. Yeah. Doesn't golf not even play outdoors until like week 14 or something. It's crazy. No, it, and shoot. I mean, if you're a Gibbs owner, I mean like you'd be thrilled. David Montgomery's gone. And Isaiah Pacheco is not David Montgomery. And like, yeah. So I don't know. There's, I have no idea about how to make the NFC North and real football terms, but fantasy wise, I'm trying to buy lines because I do think it's going to, they're going to have a boom year on offense. Again, did you, did you want to hit, you've given us an hour of your time, you sweet soul. Did you want to hit Zach Robinson at all in Tampa Bay? Yeah, it's more of a, he didn't like he, the second half of last year, I liked what they were doing on offense a lot better. Um, it was like, it was very siloed in, in Atlanta the last couple years where it was like they're in this formation they're running the ball they're in this formation they're passing the ball um they're in piss they only they couldn't do under center because cousins had no legs and pennix has no legs either um like really has no knees left so they were never in under center and they still had a productive run game the stuff that i saw that they tried to build off each other like made sense and so i think just too i've been looking when i did the nfc south preview last week i was going in being like saints man yeah i'm gonna pick the saints just like every other hipster saints saints that and i started breaking down the box i'm like oh yeah the old line's a top five old line you know and like baker fell off last year but he's still fine like he's still a quarterback you can produce he was hurt the line was hurt bucky irving was hurt mike evans everybody was hurt yes yeah yes and they um i was just talking to to a guy oh man i'm breaking who it was um but they brought up that they had the most adjusted games lost that receiver and yeah they lose mike evans but they still have and i brought this up on my show but they still have competency at receiver um so it's in k dot it's fine like i don't know it's just and we'll see how bucky irving is but the run game at least and the blocking for it will be good so they're just the bucks i just i feel like zach robinson kind of got dinged a little bit and they kind of became an afterthought and i agreed with some of the dinging because i was on him about the siloing but then as everyone's eyes kind of averted off the falcons his stuff got a lot better which is sometimes that happens so that's why i'm kind of a buy low on the bucks right now even though they're mc south favorite it's like no one wants to pick them but i've kind of like you know circled back on being on the bucks just really because of the whole line do you put him into the like mcveigh family of offenses like what he's trying to run and yeah he has his own flavor it's very traditional off of it a lot more zone heavy mcveigh's transitioned a lot more duo or at you man man scheme um so it's a little bit more true it's so i'd put him in kubiak a clint kubiak more similar to him and i'd put him in kubiak more similar to him than him and mcveigh if that makes sense which quarterback fits that better i think i know like i think i'd guess that you'd say oh fernando fits at the best and then cousins fits the best baker's interesting because baker's aggressive but it got mixed up yes yes yes yeah but baker's so hot hot and cold um like if he's feeling it like baker's gonna rip off 20 yard gains um but we'll kind of see how it holds up hell yeah we say so my whole joke with baker is he just loves ripping passes he's just that's it he's gonna he's fucking ripping it it's why abu is like one of my favorite picks in fantasy this year i did kind of want to ask you like how high you think his ceiling is i am as the 10th wide receiver overall this year just because i don't know how static it was last year in tampa bay abuca i ran 529 routes 29 of them he was in motion and looking at what you know i think there's gonna be a lot more two hours two wide receiver sets in tampa this year mike evans is obviously gone abuca was super beat up after like the first month and a half of the season um i i just look at like quarterback i look at coordinator and i look at volume and i'm like i don't really see where abuca misses in that category right and he's a guy and why i liked him as a prospect was no matter what the offensive system was going to be or circumstances he'll be productive and efficient so like that carries over now to the circumstances but yeah i'm i think i'm right now i'm looking just like uh like fancy pros or whatever they're they have them at 18th um a consensus i'm a little higher on that like i would take them over i'll take them over as a flower so crazy as that says saying that um they have mcmillan t-mac a little too low for me but there's a couple other guys above him that um him and lad i would i'd rather have a mecca than lad even if i like the chargers offense more because i just don't know you know the chargers offense could be it could be a lot of lad it could be just quentin johnson cheapies even though he got hurt today it could be the tight ends going off it could be just running i like chargers i'd rather buy the hub which is herbert and the running game as opposed to the receivers while mecca abuca is like he's the one even if godwin's still there godwin is an auxiliary secondary player now so it's like yeah i'm if abuca's healthy i'm a lot higher he's gonna outkick 19th pretty easily i think i totally agree we'll see about his toe injury moles was has been i know just another one quiet about that it's i know it's like you wait until i pick them to win a division we're getting yeah actually this guy's hurt this guy's hurt and this guy's hurt jordan tyson it's like bruce hall's up two to three weeks now and we're just like i just everybody i've never i've never enjoyed bruce hall like no no like i do enjoy him but like i never got to enjoy owning him in dynasty sure yeah he's just like it's just like and everyone asked me to trade him and i'm like no no no no no he's gonna be fine this year and we're good we're gonna reap this the benefits of all this even get braylon allen on my roster and he just gets nuked it's like gary wilson is the same where i'm like if they were on 28 other teams yeah talking about them it's completely different careers bruce hall was like the second pick in drafts one year he's remember that he's like so talented such a mistake you should never be able to take a jet with a top three pick that was insane i know and i'm like it's what about second round of dynasty league is that great wherever i took him whenever we took that original draft i was like i got my guy because i in his draft it was him and kenneth walker and i i put him over walker um i remember i was feeling good about it and then now it's like yeah i still do but it's just like you know i want hall to be on the field actually and the old line for the jets actually isn't bad either like it's actually it's good yeah you left frank reich off your off exciting offensive coordinators list i was shocked i did curious yeah i don't know i did i did i somehow managed to miss him i'm sorry yeah an oversight i don't know mason taylor i'm buying though nate thank you so much for coming on you're very generous with your time check out yeah football three what do you want to plug football 301 over here 301 not my written word i'm a hack so just yeah football yeah yeah that's it no no yeah spoken word some videos as well no yeah check it out yahoo sports awesome nate thank you so much for adults with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms every choice matters no yeah 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we're going to continue on with millennial bangers today we are going to go to a seminal hit from 2010. down on me by jeremiah featuring 50 cent great song the the ultimate the prototype song in my mind at least of a strip club song oh okay the song you walk into the strip club and it's playing on repeat all the time and have you experienced that in real life well that's just what i'm picturing um that's the way i i'd imagine i've never been in one of those establishments before is that right no i have okay uh in my younger in my younger years you're like of course i have in my younger years when i was you know sewing the my oats or whatever they say um great song can you guys picture this song do you know what i'm talking about no yeah pull it up right now yeah that's good clearly i'm not going to those strip clubs you ain't going to no strip clubs okay was this one of your like actual on me Oh yeah. I feel like this to me actually is like a classic dance floor song and everybody's just like fucking grinded on each other. You know? Yeah. This is a chorus song. This is a song like when you hear like the verses, I'm like, I don't know what song this is. And then when the chorus hits, I'm like, Oh my God, of course I went to, so we did our annual, uh, fantasy, like my home league fantasy draft this weekend. And our, and our tradition is to go to this dance club in Bellingham after the draft every year, it's called the Royal shout out the Royal. And this song came on. I was like, yeah, this is my millennial banger for this week. Got to do it. And it was just classic. There's like a fucking smoke machine going and like lasers. I don't know. I just picture. Yeah. The Royal, I'm looking it up. I have no relationship with this song. I agree with Craig. The verse is no idea. Chorus vaguely remember, but I am on the Royal nightclub on Google maps, two and a half stars, DK 2.6 stars, the Royal out of two. Yeah. 48 reviews. Oh, I mean it, it is. It's, it's for a certain segment of people that maybe want that type of thing. It's not a good, it's not like a family place. What's the overlap of writing reviews on Google and going to nightclubs. I feel like the people who are going to enjoy the Royal aren't on Yelp at all. Also, I feel like if you like a nightclub, the last thing I want to do is tell other people about it. Literally. Yeah. It's kind of insane to give a nightclub a five-star review. That's like kind of psychotic. It's always the toughest part about like, like we just did a movie called about, about last night on the rewatchables, which I really liked it's from the eighties, but, um, there's a great bar in the movie. It's a really good movie bar. It's set in Chicago, but the bar itself is actually in LA. It's a bar called mom's. That's no longer around in LA than I used to go to. But the toughest part about movie bars is they're always perfectly crowded. You know, like there's a new year's Eve scene in this movie about last night. And they like at the last second decide to go to the bar and they, of course there's no line. They walk right in. It's like perfectly crowded. There's like new year's decorations. And I'm like, there's no world in which in a popular city, the coolest bar in town. You could just walk into a new year's Eve. It sucks. Dude. There's like shitty bars in DC that the Gen Z kids are like lined up for a hundred, a hundred people in line. And we're just like, I know we're old, but like, there's nothing in there. I don't know why you're waiting. Yeah, dude, dude, the night of your wedding, when we went to the final location of that street, every bar had like 150 people outside waiting in line. I was like, do I live? Is this in Los Angeles? This is crazy. There's more lines here. No, it does bewilder waiting in line to get a drink. I'm just like, man, I, I, that's where I'm too old for that now. But DK, one of these reviews says the bathroom at the Royal has a trough. They have a trough in the men's room. It's very nostalgic for me. It's like being at the kingdom, you know, we didn't go to that. I don't know what that means, but they're like old school stadiums all had fucking troughs and you're just standing like really close to each other. And one of these ones to reviews is that they, they're like, they don't like the, did they take a trough out? They're upset about the bathrooms. The trough. It's still there. I confirmed it this weekend. Yeah. All right. What are we going to ask Craig? I was going to ask, but then I guess we don't want to say this. I was going to ask what your like kind of sneaky favorite bar is in the city you currently live in, but maybe we don't want to put it on. Maybe you don't want to promote it. Should we give DK decoy bars and like, no, I'll promote it. The Muni in DC. Go to the Muni. Yeah. If you live in DC. What is that? What was that? It's a sports bar. That's we, we ended up there at the end of the night. Go to the Muni in DC. It's a good bar. Uh, and there are like worse bars around it that will have like a hundred people in line. I'm like that bar sucks. I'm not going to name the bad bars. You know, I was a little surprised about high fits when I went to DC and I don't know why I thought this, but I, for some reason I just pictured it being like, not as lax, but the smell of weed was just omnipresent. Is that the right word? You can get it delivered. Like, yeah, it was just like everywhere. I was like, I'm like, where are we Seattle? This is crazy. I expected it to be, I don't know why I just expected that. But like, I was like shocked. Like the amount of people just smoking weed on the street. We being legal in DC and available via delivery for cash, but still being a federal crime is a pretty good summary of how DC works. Yeah. I just didn't really, it just kind of threw me for a loop, but yeah. DK, what's your bar? In Bellingham? I got, I got a few. I'm going to shout out the Den. I'm going to shout out Ishka. I'm going to shout out Elk Street, Red Light. Red Light. I'm sure I'm missing a couple here. I'm sorry. The Buff, the Buffalo, the Wild Buffalo. The Buffalo is a, is the music place here and it's sick. They do a, they do a bunch of concerts and then they also do a lip sync battle. And that's super fun. Yeah. I'm going to shout out to Big Dean's, which is my favorite sports bar in LA. It's under the Santa Monica pier, kind of a hidden little sports bar, fantastic vibe. And then I'm also going to shout out Ye Olde King's Head, which I think is my favorite bar in LA. It's a British pub in Santa Monica. It's like a block from the water. This is just a British pub on Santa Monica. It's on Santa Monica Boulevard. It's fucking awesome. It's always a perfect level of crowded, great Guinness. And there's a Touch Tunes, which I spend just a ridiculous amount of money on every time. Is that where you can play the music? I don't know what that is. Touch Tunes, it's like an app where you can connect to the jukebox or whatever the fuck. They don't call it a jukebox now, but a jukebox. A digital jukebox. You know, you like buy tokens and you get to play songs, but it's great. What is like your go-to strategy with Touch Tunes? Are you like playing for the crowd? Are you just playing for you? I'm playing for the crowd. I hate when there's like one random song that has like some screamo rock song. I'm like, it's ruined the whole vibe. Like, what are we doing? I'm playing stuff that gets people's head bobbing. You're playing down on me. I'm playing, sure. Honestly, Millennial Bangers. Play that this weekend, Craig. The Millennial Bangers playlist would do great. Sometimes I'll throw on some Bee Gees, a little more than a woman. People are vibing. It's like you're in Boogie Nights all of a sudden. It's great. Oh, man. I guess I should have said Saturday Night Fever, which is what that song is actually from. But it does, Bee Gees is a great bar vibe. Under it. More than a woman. Big Dean's is also great. Big Dean's has AstroTurf down, which is such a great commitment to a sports bar. Wait, Craig, where was that sports bar that you took us? Sorry, did you already ask that? That was Barney's in West Hollywood. Barney's. Barney's Beanery. That place was fun. Yeah, that's a cool spot, too. We'll be together in Los Angeles in one week for two weeks, and we have to figure out some places we're going to go. I know. Unfortunately, all those bars, I live on the west side and the bars are over there. But we will probably, the furthest west we will go is West Hollywood. Probably so. Not that that means anything to you. It means nothing to me. Or to the majority of our listeners. Tell me where to show up, and I'll show up. Okay. Do you guys ever ask someone, like, where are you from? And they, like, name a city. And you're like, cool, where in the city? And then you're like, fuck, why did I ask that? I do this with New York all the time. I'm like, you're from New York? Oh, yeah, what, what, we're about New York. You're like, Lower East Side, and then you just have nothing to say. And I'm like, okay, I don't actually know what that means at all. Or like 18th and 3rd. You're like, ah, I don't know. Yeah, that's, I don't even, I barely know where Manhattan is. You're like, how well do you really know it? When people are like, where are you from? I'll just say, the Bay. And they're like, okay, but where in the Bay? I'll say, the East Bay. And they're like, but where in the East Bay? You're dialing down. Enhance. Yeah, I'm like, can I throw San Ramon at you? Like, will that actually hit? Like, how deep are we going here? You ever heard of fucking California High? Because that's where I went. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye, everyone. 7, 8, 6, 7.