7 Jaw-Dropping Moments Shatter 'Crying' Pastor Murder Trial

"I'm a county, not know, huh?" "Oh my God, somebody's here." "I've been broken in my home and I've been broken in my home." "I was up until 4 a.m. last night, trying, literally trying to think of ways to kill her and not go to jail. If I could literally kill her and not go to hell, I would do it in a heartbeat." Prosecutors say Caleb Flynn wanted his wife dead and they say they have his own words to prove it. And a fair, a plan, and a date. But the defense is saying it is a rush to judgment. "A man can fail as a husband without being a murderer." Two arguments, two stories, and now a jury will have to decide which one is true. We're on the case presented by Law and Crime. I'm Chris Stewart. Caleb Flynn was having an affair. Caleb Flynn talked about killing his wife. And Caleb Flynn talked about February 16th being a day he would remember forever. That is what prosecutors laid out in their opening statements today and they say they have the text messages to prove it. And this was the tone inside that courtroom as the jury listened to opening statements. Caleb Flynn sitting at the defense table tears in his eyes. After opening statements, the jury was taken to the crime scene. Jurors were taken to the home where Caleb and Ashley Flynn lived on a cul-de-sac and tip-city Ohio. The very sight where Ashley lost her life. Caleb Flynn is a former American idol contestant. He was a worship leader. He was a husband and a father. And he is accused of shooting his wife Ashley twice in the back of the head as she lay sleeping inside their home. And then prosecutors alleged that Caleb Flynn staged the scene to make it look like a break in. Prosecutors alleged that Caleb called 911 around 2.30 in the morning on February 16th claiming an intruder had done it. Flynn has pleaded not guilty. He is facing charges of aggravated murder, murder, flonious assault, tampering with evidence, and witness intimidation. If convicted on that top count, he faces life in prison without parole. Today the state told jurors that this case is about motive, intent, and the truth behind the lies. They pointed to messages they say Caleb Flynn sent his mistress. In fact, they say he sent 100,000 messages in just a little over a year that they say this affair was going on. And they say one of those messages, he allegedly wrote when he was up around 4 o'clock in the morning. Quote literally trying to think of ways to kill her and not go to jail. And then you have another text message that said, quote, if I could literally kill her and not go to hell, I would do it in a heartbeat. Prosecutors say those messages came months apart. It's unclear the specific date that those texts were sent. But they were sent before Ashley's murder. And prosecutors also say the evidence, device data, door damage, and a missing 9mm handgun all emerges on Caleb Flynn. But the defense is alleging that this investigation was plagued with errors from the start. They argued there are more than two possibilities here, and that a man can fail as a husband and not be a murderer. Now we should note, our long crime reporter, Anginette Levy, host of crime fix. She is inside the courtroom for this trial and she's going to be here in a little bit. And she also went with the jury today to the crime scene to see it for herself. But inside the courtroom, Anginette had a first-hand look at Caleb Flynn. And as we watched it with our cameras today, you can see he appeared to be praying. And he had visible tears in his eyes as he listened to opening statements. Now, before we get into what else was said in the courtroom today, we have body cam video and a 911 call. And in fact, that 911 call was played in court today. And I want you to hear it for yourself. So you can head over to the long crime plus app. Right now we have a special offer with promo code OTC Fall. You can get your first three months of long crime plus just $299 a month, which is 50% off a regular monthly price. All right, let's break down the biggest moments from opening statements today. And it starts with what the prosecutors had to say. Look, the prosecution came out swinging in this case. The lead prosecutor for the state of Ohio, his name is Paul Watkins. And he did not open up with a description of the scene, not with the 911 call, but that was played later in the day. He started with Caleb Flynn's own words, a text message, and it is chilling. I was up until 4 a.m. last night, crying, literally trying to think of ways to kill her and not go to jail. If I could literally kill her and not go to hell, I would do it in a heartbeat. That is how dark and how painful I feel. Those two messages are Caleb Flynn's own words. The words about his life, actually, were communicated to his mistress. Those messages were sent months apart and before Ashley's murder. Those words tell you what this case is about, motives, intent, and the truth, behind the lies Caleb told after his wife and the mother of his two young daughters, were shot to death in their home. Ashley was not in a position as if she encountered an intruder. She was executed. She was shot in the middle of the night, twice in the back of her head, laying in bed, and a sleeping position. From there, Watkins framed the entire trial around one question and told the jury there are really only two explanations for what happened inside that house. At the beginning of this investigation, there was a single question. What happened inside the Flynn residence on February 16th, 2026? As this investigation progressed, two complete explanations emerged. You as the jury are tasked with applying the evidence, you're hearing this case, to those two competing explanations. As you hear evidence, ask yourself, which explanation does this evidence fit? The first explanation was Caleb Flynn's report of the camp and intruder entered the residence, made their way through the home to the primary bedroom, shot Ashley, and escaped without being identified. The second explanation was not supplied by women. It was reconstructed by the evidence collected during this investigation. And Watkins told the jury the physical evidence doesn't back up Caleb's intruder story. No one saw anyone approach the home. No one saw anyone go in and no one saw anyone leave. But what investigators did find he says was a trail of evidence of another kind, digital evidence. The problem for that explanation is that evidence does not independently reconstruct the intruder's presence. The evidence-based instruction developed different. It began with events that could be independently documented. It documents Caleb's years-long relationship with his mistress. It documented Caleb's efforts to delete information up to and including just hours before Ashley's murder. It documented Caleb's words that major life changes were evidence. It documented that Caleb was discussing the end of his marriage. It documents the movement and activity on Caleb's devices and the hours leading up to Ashley's murder. People lock evidence doesn't. Watkins also went after the door. The door that Caleb Flynn claims an intruder forced open. He told the jury an FBI toolmark examiner will testify there are toolmarks on the frame. That multiple tools were used and that the damage is inconsistent with the door being kicked or pride open. And he said something else, that the door was unlocked. But perhaps the most powerful part of the state's opening was when Watkins told them of the messages Caleb allegedly sent his mistress just hours before Ashley was killed. And that the only evidence of an intruder is the defendant's own words. Just hours before Ashley was executed, Caleb sent these things to his mistress. I choose you. I'm free. Actions will come tomorrow. February 16th, day I'll never forget. Thanks to Caleb Flynn, February 16th is now a day his two dollars. And Ashley's thing will never forget too. You're going to hear a theme at all the messages from Caleb news and answers. Caleb is saying he hated Ashley. Wanted her gone? Wanted her dead? Get wanted to be free of her, and one of the future with his mistress instead. If his plan to murder Ashley and stage it, as if an intruder did it, were to succeed, him too would be a victim. He'd get to keep his mistress, have his daughter at all the time, who'd benefit financially, get to keep his lucrative job working for Ashley's family business, and he'd get to keep his position as a worship leader. The only evidence ever intruder, his favorite young words. It was the story Caleb told after the evidence had already begun to speak. The evidence will not show that Ashley was murdered by a stranger who vanished into the night. The evidence will show that Ashley was murdered by her husband. The father of her two young children. Now that was the state. Then it was the defense's turn. What is Caleb Flynn's defense? And they came out swinging in a way but in a completely different direction. Ashley Quinn was a mother, a daughter, a sister, and a friend. By all accounts Ashley was a woman who saw the beauty and light in others. She loved her children, her family, and was deeply loved and returned by those who knew her. As she was taken from them, there is no argument as to the degree of tragedy that this is. No one in this courtroom is going to dispute that. Ashley's death is a profound tragedy, but a woman's life is worth more than being a speculation alone. Ashley Flynn deserves justice and a tragedy deserves more than a failure. True justice can only be built on a firm foundation of evidence. Not speculation, assumptions, hollow circumstantial evidence, convenience, or a rush to a conclusion. Smith argued to the jury that the state pinned its entire case on the affair. And that Caleb Flynn, he may be a bad husband, but that doesn't make him a murderer. They're going to hear about lies, lies that Caleb told Alia to make her happy, and the lies that Caleb told Ashley to shield her and her family from the truth. We're not going to stay in here and excuse Caleb from this state of plainly Caleb betrayed Ashley at the husband. This trial is not the first time any of you have heard about a man having a fair in mind about it. Caleb is not on trial for being a bad husband, he's not on trial for cheating. You're not here to deliberate on whether or not you like Caleb. You certainly are not here to render a verdict on whether or not you approve or condone of his actions. This is an aggravated murder trial. A man can fail as a husband without being a murderer. And a man can make selfish decisions without committing a crime. What you'll find ladies and gentlemen is that this investigation was plagued with errors from the start. And that bias, convenience, lack of integrity, and a rush to judgment manifest as the case before us, and as the very definition of reasonable doubt. The state found their story when they found the affair. Caleb was the most convenient scapegoat for them, and they worked backwards. They reached the conclusion first and she warns the evidence in after. And who is this theory convenient for if not the state? It's not convenient for Ashley. It's not convenient for family. And it's not convenient for you or Caleb. When the prosecution tells you about the affair, the text messages, and the lies they expect you to feel so disgusted and angry with Caleb that you refer the facts from potential motive alone. They want you to assume that Caleb killed his wife based only on what they believe was happening in Caleb's mind. So motive is not an element of any of the charges in the indictment. You'll not be instructed on motive as an element of any of the charges in the indictment. And your anger and disgust are not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Only evidence the state can give you is the theory of motive. And then Smith went point by point through what she says the state doesn't have. They do not have a gun. They have no gunshot residue. They have no eyewitness, no surveillance, no forensic evidence tying Caleb Flynn to the shooting. They can't show you who's gun killed Ashley. They can't show you if Caleb had a gun in his hands that night. They can't show you if Caleb pulled the trigger. They can't show you if Caleb damaged the door. They can't give you the date that the door was damaged. They are merely guessing and they're asking you to do the exact same thing. They're even asking you to mix Caleb of a tampering with a gun charge on the sole basis that they can't find it. There's no forensic evidence linking Caleb to these crimes. There is no eyewitness, as the state has already told you, that Caleb wasn't shooter. There's no surveillance footage of Caleb that night. There's no gunshot residue found on Caleb or his clothing. There's no time for death from the coroner. The only fingerprints that the state has are those of Caleb in his own home. Great to live since 2021. And Caleb's defense attorney then closed her opening statement by telling the jury that Ashley Flynn, Caleb's wife, that she deserved better. That she deserves an investigation that follows the evidence, not a story. Ashley was a phenomenal woman and her death deserves Justice. Justice cannot be measured by how strongly you want someone to be responsible. It cannot be measured by how badly we might want an answer to what happened. Justice is measured by whether the evidence proves the answer. A tragedy deserves more than a theory. And Ashley deserves an investigation that was willing to follow the evidence wherever it may have led as thoroughly as possible. Not simply wherever the story is easiest to tell. At the conclusion of this trial, we will ask you to do what the law requires. Not what anger demands, not what suits grief, and not what speculation may begin. What evidence requires because Ashley deserves better and so does our justice system. Join us now, having just left the courtroom, Longcrimes, Anjane at Levy, the host of Crime Fix. A good to see you, Anjane at. What was it like to go to the neighborhood where the Flynn's lived? Well, Chris, it was really, really interesting, actually. This is a small cul-de-sac of where the Flynn's lived. It's a cute little neighborhood. The houses are fairly close together. And you really got a sense of what it was like on the night of this murder. You know, it's after 2 a.m. when Caleb Flynn calls 911. And there are no fences around this property. And I went around and I spoke with some of the neighbors on that street. And they told me that FBI agents canvassed the neighborhood going door-to-door, asking neighbors whether or not they had ring doorbell footage. One neighbor told me that there was a neighbor who basically had a ring doorbell camera that has footage of the house for the entire night. And there was no intruder seen on this ring doorbell footage. So, you know, this is a quiet neighborhood. The tip city is not a place where they get a lot of homicides. So a 911 call in the middle of the night for something like this would be the talk of not only the neighborhood, but the talk of the town. So this is what the neighbors are telling me. There was a neighbor with a ring doorbell camera and that it had a clear shot of the house and that there was nobody seen on that camera. He also got a good view, Chris, of that side garage door that Caleb Flynn said was open when he went out into the garage that night. And he said this on the 911 call and he told this to the police as well. And it's all boarded up now. The FBI came and took out not only the door, but they took the entire door frame out and shipped that apparently to Quantico and examined it for tool markings. And we heard about that opening statements. There's going to be a tool marks examiner who testifies about their opinion of the markings on this door and door frame. The neighbors actually knew about that. They knew that the FBI had taken not only the door, but also the frame and taken it all and shipped it off to examine it. So it was very interesting the jurors weren't in there all that long. They were given key points to examine, I guess both sides, the state and the defense approved those key points that they were supposed to examine and they got out of the van. They went in. They looked at what they were supposed to look at and then they left. And I know you noted that Caleb Flynn actually still owns the home. - Yes. - Where all this happened, which was interesting. in the courtroom today. I mean, very emotional. We can walk through some of the moments here, but just Caleb Flynn himself from what we can see on camera. He has been pretty much crying. It seems the entire time or has tears in his eyes. What was the moment like when they played that 9-1-1 call that so many of us have heard since this story started and just to kind of see him in that moment as it's being played. So I was watching him and I could see him kind of from behind and from the side and as that 9-1-1 call played, of course he knew it was going to play. I'm sure his attorneys have prepped him for this. He looks very gone first of all. He looks very much like he's not been eating. Looks very much like he's diminished in physical capacity. And in his jaw kind of was moving. I could see his jaw moving and you could tell he was kind of like almost like gulping is what it seemed like to me choking back tears or at least trying to. And that's all I could tell and all I could see from him. I kind of looked over at the jurors. Some of the jurors were just sitting and listening, you know, taking it all in. Some were taking notes. A female juror I noticed was just kind of staring at Caleb Flynn as the 9-1-1 call played. And so they were all just kind of sitting and listening to it. But Caleb Flynn obviously was crying as this 9-1-1 call played. You know, it's interesting to me during opening statements, you know, that the prosecutor Paul Watkins, he came out, you know, guns blazing. Like, let's do these text messages. This guy was sending, you know, he's going to kill his wife and you know, figuring out how to get away with it. And there's going to be action tomorrow and all of this stuff that he's saying to the quote-unquote mistress. And so he's having this affair. The defense, you know, in their opening, they're like, you know, rush to judgment. You know, this is what you hear a lot of defense attorneys say that, you know, they had a theory. They didn't investigate the theory. They just kind of fit the bill, fit what they wanted it to fit. They had this affair. And they're like, oh, he's a bad guy. And they'll Mr. Conceiting like, hey, our guy is not a good guy. But they're saying he's not a murderer. Right. And I thought that was interesting. And maybe, I mean, listen, if they have 100,000 text messages and we'll see, you know, more of how the prosecution, how they dive into this affair that he was having with this mistress who's expected to testify at some point during this trial. And to hear them just say, you know, after everybody thought that Caleb Flynn, you know, pastor, father, husband, American Idol contestant, that they're pretty much the strategy is, look, you don't have to like him. But that doesn't mean that he is, that he's a murderer, which, which I thought was interesting, considering just the perception of him on the outside was, he's the All-American dad. Right. And that's how it looked at least on Facebook. He looked like the All-American dad and he's a pastor in the church. But, you know, people are human and they all have feelings. So they're basically, they're, they're kind of setting the jury up to for what they're going to hear because these, these text messages must be really bad. I mean, it's bad enough when you're talking about, you know, killing your wife. That may be just, you know, the, you know, the really, the big one, you know, talking about killing your wife and then guess what? She ends up dead and the gun and your truck and your garage is missing. And nobody ever finds it and it fires nine millimeter rounds and there are nine millimeter rounds found at the crime scene. I mean, that's, that's some pretty damning evidence. That's some pretty big evidence to try to tackle. So I feel like the defense, you know, opening statements, they're not evidence. But so far, the defense is attacking the investigation, attacking what they believe are missteps in the investigation. We heard about Officer Riss Miller, the first supervising sergeant, he was the first officer to arrive. His body worn camera didn't activate. So we're not seeing those first interactions with Caleb Flynn and him finding Ashley Flynn. He said, Ashley Flynn had dried blood on her head wound showing the trauma to the back of her head. She was sleeping on her side. So, you know, there, there's a lot there. The, the defense is going to tackle and try to attack. But the prosecution, I give him props. They came out guns blazing. No, no offense intended with their opening statement. I mean, they, it was very powerful. Yeah, just what was it like in the room? Because I know for me as I was just kind of watching it and, you know, he's, he's didn't even say good morning to the jury. He just starts with I was up until four o'clock in the morning, crying or something like that. And you just realized that he's actually talking about a text message that Caleb Flynn had sent. I know for me, that was kind of like a jaw dropping moment. Was there anything you picked up just as you were doing that one? And then the other text, that was something like about, you know, February 16th is going to be a day I remember, which is the day that Ashley Flynn was allegedly murdered. That apparently he sent to this mistress as well. Like those two moments, just like what was it like for you in the courtroom during that? I just, you know, I'm kind of thinking to myself, whoa, we were, we knew that they were going to be text messages. Chris, you know, we, we heard about this in jury selection. The prosecutor brought this up when, when questioning jurors like about, you know, text messages between the defendant and they said another person, we now know for sure that other person is the mistress. But hearing the actual content of those messages was stunning that Caleb Flynn was actually talking about killing his wife. And then she ends up dead in their bed. I, I, it's stunning. I will be very interested to see how the defense tackles that and how they try to say, oh, he was just talking or he was just frustrated. You know, he's, he's just talking to this woman he's having an affair with. I mean, I don't know. Does Caleb Flynn have to get on the stand and explain this? Does he have to explain his text messages? Like I said that, but I didn't mean it. I mean, are we going to see Caleb Flynn on the witness stand? If they're going to bring in your 100,000 text messages, are, are we going to see him testify? That's my question. Right. And, and they also laid out he was working for his wife's family's business. I know that there's also going to be some evidence related to like an apple watch and some of the, you know, we were talking about the digital evidence. What is the digital evidence show? And right out of the gate, we see that that's such a clear part of of what the prosecution is arguing. Angenette Levy, a host of crime fix in the courtroom each day for the Caleb Flynn trial. Thanks for taking the time to join us. We appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. After the opening statements, the state called its first witness. And within minutes, the jury heard the 911 call from the night of the murder. And as that call was played, Caleb Flynn was at the defense table. I mean, his face is so scrunched up. He is winsing as if he's in pain. And he appears to cry. He has tears going down his face. Hey, Johnny. I know. Somebody broken in my home. Are they still in there? I don't know. I don't know. Hey, what's the address? Your house. Please, please, please, please. What are you seeing? My wife. She got to see us. She's got to see us. She's got to see us. This is blood everywhere. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Sir, please. Please. I need you to take a deep breath. Okay. Do you still see anybody in the house? No, the door to the grounds was wide open. Please, please. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. My daughters are here. My daughter is here. Where is she at? Where is she shot at? Okay. Is she breathing? I don't know. I don't think so. I actually touched the baby. Baby, please. Oh, my God. She's not. Okay. She's not responding to you. No, no. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay. Do you see anybody in the house now? Nobody. It's back. So don't you walk. There was a bleeding. There's a constant white open when I ran there. Okay. Do you see any kind of vehicles? No, no. No. Wait. No, the door was designed to open on God's door that opened by the morning. Then the state called the first officer on scene in the early hours of the morning, February 16th. His name is Sergeant Corey Riss Miller and he told the jury something important about what Caleb reportedly said in those moments. We have to kill him said that, you know, his, his wife's been shot. He says, there ain't anybody else in the house. He said, no, um, I'm still going to take a quick look around. Just make sure no one else gets hurt or anything like that. So, um, they have quick look around for the anything when you check on the get-tank. You stated, uh, you asked if anyone else is in the house and he said no. Did you elaborate on that? Maybe he said and I said, "Are you sure he said, "Yeah, I've looked, "there's no one else here." When I see him around, I could tell that there was a significant trauma to the back of our head which appeared to be gunshot wound. There was some dry blood around it. So I'm out of that, and I could tell from my experience and then on the suicide, that kind of stuff that the defendant was around. So I could pick them up the sea. - Did you pass the victim? - No, I just, the only thing I did was remove the towel on my head was the only thing I moved in the bedroom. - Did anything stick out to you in the bedroom? - Well, I could tell that there was no one sleeping on the other side of bed. And there was some blankets and pillows on the left in front of the dresser, which I'm not sure what they were there for. When she looked back, she was sleeping, I mean, when she was shot, I mean, like there was no, you know, start on us. I mean, it's like we should have slept with you to shot. - Then the defense got its turn to cross-examines, Sergeant Rysmiller, and they went straight at the investigation and they started with the body camera that the sergeant was supposed to have on and wearing. - Does Tip City have a policy that those officers wear body cams when they're at work? - Yes. - Okay, and what is that policy? And policy is your body camera should be on, you don't see, if there's going to be, there's any kind of a conflict or anything like that, you should have body cam out. - And the body cam does, well, if people know, it records the scene. - Yes. - But it also records audio, does it not? - Yes. - Okay. - And on the day that you responded to a 932 kind of half court, did you have your body cam with you? - Yes. - Okay. - Is there a reason why it wasn't on? - Yes. - Why? - Because we got the new system, body cam system, and the way it's set up is when you cheer like Bore O'on, the body camera automatically turns on. Well, for some odd reason, mine didn't come on, malfunctioning the system. And my thought, my biggest worry was the victim, the family, and looking for a shooter. So that time, the body cam was at least a lot of worries. - So by that time, you had spoken to my client, and none of that was recorded, correct? You had received whatever his explanation was at the time about the doors being opened, the side door, the garage being opened, and none of that was recorded, correct? Okay. So bottom line, when you first, the very first time you walked into the bedroom where Ashley was, the body cam wasn't working then either. - Oh, correct? - Your initial name is correct. - Yes, correct. - And it obviously, if it wasn't working, it wouldn't show the number of casings that were actually present at that time. - Correct. - Okay. - Door there are positions. - Correct. - And the statements that you attributed to Caleb that he told you that she was shot twice in the head, that's not recorded either. - Correct. - And then the state played body cam ref footage, unredacted, and this was the first time we are seeing it, and we can see inside the house, and not only can we see Caleb Flynn clearly, we can hear what he said to officers in the aftermath. (murmurs) - During the hospital, we were coming out of the house. - Okay, I checked this one here, not the house here. Okay, have you checked? Have you checked on that? 911, yes. No one else comes in your purse. No, every 12 months. Okay. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Okay, so can you sit down? No, okay. He's gone. Look at me. Take a breath. And I look at me. I need you to breathe, okay? I look much much. Right now. Right now. Do you see any blood out there? Can I? Okay, someone is watching. Somebody needs to be watching. I'm not going to talk to the person. You'll be called one or two. Are there any firearms in this house? Okay. Is it okay? A shotgun in a 22 and like a pelican. Okay, where am I? I have a hand on my truck. Okay. In the gulp box. Okay. Are you able to tell me her information? Yeah. I know this is really difficult, okay? Thank you. What's your name? Caleb? I'm sorry. Okay. What's your name? Caleb? I'm sorry. Okay. What's your name? Caleb? I'm sorry. Okay. You can call family by the way. They just can't come in this house. They're not going to be able to come near the house or anything like that. I'm going to call my mom. Okay. Before you do that, can you do me a favor? What's her first and last name? Actually, what's her last name? She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. She's gone. Yes. Yes. Yes. The cops are here. They said nobody can come in the house, but they said I can call you. And then you have this emotional moment where a woman shows up and consoles Caleb on the front steps of his house. She asks officers for a blanket to keep him warm. We learned today officially that woman is the mother of Ashley Flynn. And she is there consoling her son-in-law not knowing that a couple days later he would be arrested and accused in her daughter's murder. I don't know what to do. And just don't move. I'm in shock. Do you want to sit down on the steps? So then when the defense got their opportunity to cross examine some of the first responding officers on scene. And the defense is trying to argue here that this was a flawed investigation from the beginning. And they ask officer Alexandria Giappapa, whether anyone searched the backyard. You also had made another statement. It was a bit unclear who you were making it to through your body camera footage there that we just saw. You stated to another, I believe it was another officer on scene. None of us have walked around the back. Yeah. Okay. Who were you speaking to? Sergeant Roswell, I don't know who I was speaking to. And he indicated to you that he hadn't walked around the back. I don't remember his exact words, but he indicated that deputies had walked around the back, walk around the back. And officer Linkiss may have while putting up tape. Okay. Can you describe the backyard for me? I didn't go in the backyard. Okay. So you never went into the backyard. Anybody from Tip City Police Department to your knowledge while you were on scene investigating the backyard? I don't know. I was inside for the majority of the time. You also stated in your body camera footage that you didn't want to ask him questions. Were you referring Caleb? The dependent, yes. But you didn't want to ask Caleb questions. Correct. Why not? He was very emotional. Didn't see him like the right timing for that. When we heard from Alex Hules, he's a paramedic and he's the person who walked into the bedroom and saw Ashley Flynn. When you entered that room, what did you see? I located a female. patient in the bed. How did she hear? She was in the bed laying on her left side in what looked like to be a sleeping position. There was a towel on the patient's head. Did you touch the towel? Yeah, I removed the towel to assess the patient. I removed the towel to assess the patient and I located a penetrating cranial injury to the patient's right side of her head and then I could observe that she was not breathing. There was no movement. At that point, I exited the bedroom and went to return to the ambulance. Did you speak when anyone after you accident the bedroom? Yes. The patient's husband, Mr. Flynn, asked about the condition of the patient and I indicated that she was dead. What was his response? He was visibly upset. Then on cross examination, this paramedic was asked about some of the conversations that we do here on body cam. Questions about how long Ashley Flynn had been dead for? The body, I don't remember giving off one. Did you make a statement? It happened. It wasn't your response to the statement that this was old that you responded that this was assumed. I didn't believe that the patient had been there for hours and by the time you arrived there, she was already deceased. Ashley was deceased at the time of body assessment. As far as you believe that she had been deceased for hours, what do you base that thing on? Just experience, the patient's condition was pale, but if you don't want to pay on this. We'll be following the Caleb Flynn trial every day until we get a verdict. That will do it for on the case presented by Longcrime. I'm Chris Stewart. We'll see you next time.