#688 - Candace Owens

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Yeah, you couldn't be like, no, you don't look good. And people will be like, wow, Theo, that was aggressive. Well, you can't also be like, yeah, you look good. Like, it's like when someone is pregnant, it's a weird time to associate with them sometimes because it feels like, well, yeah, how do they look, you know? Yeah. Like, what's going on? And what do you say that's supportive? But what do you also like? Because you also have to shut down any like sort of like, you know, you can be flirtatious. Not that I'd be flirtatious because I know. I don't mean like that, but it's like any energy that's like. Would you normally have that energy towards someone that was pregnant? No, I don't think so. I think. I don't know what I'm talking about. Let's have her check your makeup. Does she look okay for you? Just so you know, the first thing you said to me when you walked to the door for dinner, I don't know how a couple months ago, but you were like. I forgot you were pregnant, you weirdo. Did I really? Yeah, that's your pregnancy greeting. Oh, there we go. It works. It actually does kind of work. Yeah, that's a good one. Well, I remember. Actually, this is true. I walked into your kitchen. This was like maybe like a couple weeks ago. And there was some lady from behind who was like making something on the counter or something. And I was like, oh, dang, they got a little thicky in here. They got a little lady from Atlanta working over here. And then I didn't. I forgot you were pregnant. And he turned around. And it was me? And it was you. Oh, I didn't even hear you say that. I'm a little. No, I didn't say it out loud. No, I don't mean like. You said it in your head. Yeah, I said, oh, dang, they got a little. And now you said it out loud. Dang. Dang. But I meant like they got a little shawty working in here. Or they had a woman that was just a little more Rubenesque. Yeah, that's a good word. You know? Rubenesque. That's what I meant. They had a woman that's a little more Rubenesque. And I was like, oh, dang, they got a little mommy working in here. A little mommy. And then there we are. I know. And I was right. And now I'm here because I feel like this is going to be good luck. And then I'll have the baby. Because last time I did your podcast, I feel like the baby came right after. Really? I did you and I did Tim Dillon. And then the baby came. So now I think it's like a ritual. I'm going to do you. Then I'm going to do Tim Dillon. And then the baby will come. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, yeah, I hope we're good luck somehow. I think if the baby hears us talking, it's like, I got to get out there and help this lady. You know? Things have gone downhill. Oh, my God. I can't believe I'm about to have the fifth. I know. Oh, dude. It's crazy. I've been in a permanent state of pregnancy. I don't think people respect that enough. Like, I'm basically a queen ant. You do not act like someone who's pregnant. I'll say that. That's what I think that's part of it. To me, anyway. You may act like that around other folks. But I think I never get this kind of like, you know, like you're crawling across the floor, like barely getting to. I know, but that's the problem. I'm going to start doing that because I feel like people will have to be nicer to me if I start pretending I'm in a state. You know? You know? Yeah. People are so mean on the Internet. Oh, are they? I feel like if I'm just. Of course they're so mean. Oh, yeah. What am I talking about? I feel like if I. That's why I'm not good at asking people questions. People are always like, dude, you asked. It's a lovely place, the Internet. Yeah. And I feel like, I'm like, how are you doing this to me? I'm so pregnant right now. But I feel like if I lean into the pregnancy and I pretend to be more miserable and like I can't do it, then people will have to be nice. So I'm going to try that for these next three weeks. Oh. A little bit more pathetic. Oh, yeah. Because you don't do pathetic well. I know. You don't do it. You're just still going and cruising. You forget that you're pregnant, where some people kind of lead with the pregnancy, you know? But, yes, people are like, oh, that's not even a baby. That's a data center, some people have said. What? That she's got. Yeah, like. Wait, I haven't seen this part of the Internet. Now you have to tell me. No, I saw somebody. It's like, dude, she's not even pregnant. She's just building a data center. They're building a data center in her womb. Or just like crazy people. Yeah. I actually feel like I go down every rabbit hole, but I have not gone down the rabbit hole where there are data centers in your womb. It's new stuff, Candice. They're doing new stuff. Look, that's when we start to be out of touch. That's when you're like, oh, I can't even. I can't follow this. I'm out of touch. There are some conspiracies I have to say. And I love conspiracies like every rabbit hole. You know, I'm down there. But there are some where I'm just like, how did you get here? And that would probably be one where I'm like, what do you mean I'm carrying a data center in my womb? Yeah, it's just a router for the government or people are like, she's. Yeah, she's just she's like transporting data for Russia. Like people will say all kinds of stuff. Like she's like website. Are you? She's a data mule or whatever. These aren't even kids. It's just like, you know, it's so crazy. I don't think I've ever seen that one. I've seen people who say that I'm not pregnant, pregnant, and they're not my kids and stuff like that. Oh, really? I think that happens. I never post them. Everyone's doing the thing where they post their kids and their kids are turned into a product. And then they're taking these. These impossible family pictures. They're impossible. When you have a certain amount of kids, you can't get like the nice, perfect family shot. And I think because I don't give them enough of the personal life, it kind of makes them a bit fantastical. So they sort of write the myth, the mythology. Yeah. Of the kids. They don't really know what they look like. They don't know anything about my kids. So do you do that on purpose? Yeah, for sure. I mean, everybody, I'm not judging people's style or whatever, but I personally just feel like. That's a big decision to make for your kid. And it's actually Skyler was showing me. Was it you showing me the clip yesterday of like somebody? It was obviously a comedic sketch, but it was just like a kid walking around the mall with his parents and random strangers are like, happy fourth birthday and like saying their name and know all these random facts. Like, hope he did good at the soccer game. And the four year olds like looking up at them. Like, how do you know this information? And that's kind of my mentality where it's just it's strangers knowing a lot about. Your children and being able to recognize them and know them. I feel like that's a lot for us that we just it's not. I think it's something that we want to do. It's probably not healthy. Yeah, but I never said I haven't seen that bit. Can you do you have it? Trevin, do you see that? Yeah, it's actually really interesting. And I was like, I couldn't articulate how I felt about it. But when I saw the clip, I was like, this is exactly how I feel about kids on the Internet. Oh, yeah, that's it. That was fast. Hi, Ava. Do you know that man? Where would she know him from? Happy birthday, Ava. Eight already? Look like you did ball with your friends. I see you're back playing football Thursdays, Ava. Hope your dad picks you up on time for once. That's great. Every time you share their life online, you risk sharing their personal data with the world. That is pretty true. That's kind of how I feel about it. Yeah. It's just kind of a lot of information and kids don't understand. And my kids don't even understand what I do. Yeah. And just now, Georgie started to ask questions when people come up to me and ask for a picture. And he's like, how do you know that person? And I just say, oh, it was a friend from school or whatever and don't really address it because I don't need to right now at his age. But, yeah, I kind of want to protect that for a little bit. And we don't know how it's going to end, especially when you see it. I do see people whose kids are a part of the product. You know what I'm saying? And they get to the age and they're part of the product. I'm sure in their minds they're like, well, we're making a living off of this. So it's good for our kids. We're making money. But I also do think about how is it shaping their minds? Do they become more attention seeking? Are they already thinking, do I have likes? How many people like this? Am I reading the comments? So I don't think we know the effects of how kids that are being raised on the Internet. I was saying. We pioneered it. Like, we did not have the Internet. So we were lucky. Our parents had a beeper. And then we went off. I mean, your dad was using usually. And that was it. Actually, my dad was just working at the hospital. But, you know, yeah. Different strokes for different folks. He had to get into the get in for a shift. Yeah. I mean, different. Yeah. Different things. But for sure. Yeah. I can't even fathom like and how things are going to affect us. It's like. Man, it's really scary to think of how some of these things are going to affect us. Yeah. We don't know. Yeah. And I feel like the kids that have the most access to it. Just looking at the Hollywood demonstration. I mean, those kids are not. They're not looking their best. They don't look tip top. A lot of their kids are just going through a lot right now. And you feel bad. I mean, you feel really bad for them because they grew up with a lot of attention. So I don't think it's good to replicate it and get kids on the Internet. But I mean. It does almost starts to seem like a disease in a way. Like, I think for some of those people, like, even if you look at Britney Spears, She's out here, like she's out there spinning with those knives and shit. of her fireplace all the time like what's going on and everybody's just like oh love your first album like what are you talking about this lady's not doing good no no britney spears i feel so bad for because obviously i grew up with britney spears you had to pick a side yeah look at this and we act but this gets normal sorry to interrupt you candace but this starts to get normal oh yeah she just who normalized that she's just gonna julie in something in a few minutes and so she's just getting ready she's obviously got a new job as a sous chef or whatever and the dogs are begging for help there's one video where somebody decodes the dogs the shapes are making they're trying to make letters spelling out help in the background oh i feel so bad for her because she is an example of what like she probably never needed to go into the conservatorship and then she never really came out of it because they were forced drugging her they were you can't come back from lithium like yeah they burned they they burned her brain like it's like melted her brain with lithium it's crazy what they did to her and honestly people should be in prison they should absolutely be in prison and i feel like it's a part of the broader story that a lot of artists were trying to tell like from michael jackson to kanye to britney spears like some justin bieber even was talking you know what's actually manifesting in hollywood and some of these people did not survive it i mean michael jackson didn't survive it i don't think britney spears is ever going to be the britney spears that we grew up with which is i mean the industry is we're now learning how disgusting hollywood is but i think justin bieber made it out and i think kanye made it out gratefully uh but yeah i think she went through a lot of dark stuff and even that though i wouldn't even let my kids be in a commercial now that i'm an adult like obviously when i was young i'm like this is so cool like these are all these teeny bopper stars and then sync and backstreet boys or whatever it was but now that we're adults i just can't imagine giving my children to like the mickey mouse club and letting them it's weird in retrospect it's weird so you wonder who were the adults that were in charge because i was the same age as these people it was normal you guys were adults let's let's look up this lithium thing really quick let me see she testified that she was immediately placed on lithium lithium in her june 2021 address to a los angeles court britney uh spears stated she was immediately placed on lithium a potent medication typically used for bipolar disorder or severe depression she described the side effects as making her feel drunk and numb stating that it impaired her ability to converse or stand up for herself that's she was on it for years so you should if you look into some of the scientific studies on what lithium does to your brain over that amount of time that's why i say it's not something that you can just bounce back from i would pray that she could but that's definitely what's going on she was drugged against her will that's so scary the concept of being drugged against her will that's so scary the concept of being drugged against her will that's so scary the concept of being drugged against her will that's so scary the concept of being drugged against her will this can just keep happening permanently for how many years was she in the conservatorship and everyone's like it's for the best and when you actually reflect on what she was going through she probably just needed to take a break i don't know go to a secluded island where there's no paparazzi take some rest you know she was basically begging people to leave her alone and nobody would under her legal conservatorship for 13 years and nine months god 13 years of your life where you have to but who was in charge of that well was it a hodgepodge of people apparently i think it was that woman who needs to be looked into for sure who was working with britney spears's father taylor is the name i'm thinking of because there's a lot about that woman she's another calvary chapel lou taylor lou taylor lou taylor yeah i haven't gotten too deep into the lou taylor conspiracies but there's definitely something there about and it's interesting because you know who i spoke to this is one of the craziest stories that came together but basically russell brand introduced me via text to courtney love a few years ago and she sent me all of this stuff she was just it was like a ton of messages ton of messages and at the time i didn't know what she was speaking about that like i because i didn't grow up in hollywood and she was basically explaining to me that there was sort of a mafia that when they want your publishing rights they'll write so that's what michael jackson was fighting sony he wanted it and he was winning by the way he was he owned the beatles catalog so then what they do is they send out like mafia press hits against you it's kind of like what i'm going through right now but it's just kind of failing because we live in a different time but they essentially will then try to present you as a drug addict or and then they'll follow you and have hot like paparazzi everywhere you go and so maybe you're just doing this and they're like theo's like in a crisis he's like pink eye or whatever yes yeah he's on a bender like he's been going down on strangers or whatever right exactly exactly and so imagine every single day every you can't walk out of this room and there's just people that are waiting there and then these people basically have a mental breakdown you start to go crazy it's what happened to kanye it's yeah they keep calling you crazy calling you crazy so you think that whole thing is a design thing well when she said it and she was talking about she was like you got to look into the mormon mafia she's like lou taylor and she said a bunch of stuff allegedly allegedly allegedly i'm recapping a conversation so the publishing rights mafia and they you know she could see its ownership she was talking to me about kurt cobain and like it's all about ownership she's like you are not allowed to own anything no so then when you start to examine these cases independently of michael jackson kanye west i haven't looked too much into britney spears but i should because you know me i gotta go down every rabbit hole um justin bieber oh yeah you're the chocolate rabbit yeah i'm the chocolate rabbit i gotta go down every rabbit hole i mean you've got to yeah yeah i will eventually run for its money for real you're probably america's most popular chocolate i'm genuinely down every single rabbit hole i can't stop like when people give me a tip and i'm like okay chasing chasing but uh yeah britney spears and then justin bieber even recently where they were really hounding and trying to make us think he was having a mental break what was he trying to do just get out of his contracts yeah he just wanted to go back to being the kid on youtube with his and that's what he's doing now and it's so cool that he's just all i need is my guitar and my voice i don't he sold his whole catalog he just wanted out wow so it's cool yeah that is that is an interesting rabbit hole because it is i think people don't realize sometimes and i believe that it is this mafia in hollywood it's like the publicist it's all this like this um kind of teeter-totter where they're just like one is like you do this and then we'll do and then it's all this system right it's all this it's like a huge piece of racketeering going on it is and it's also book publishing rights and podcasts now it's obviously a new space or whatever but they're constantly like worried about who's going to actually do it and they're like oh i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this i'm going to do this because once they own it they also can delete it they can edit it there's so many things that they can do with your music well music being used to influence things too like that's another thing it's just like okay when we have these influential tools to be able to um kind of put them into the masses in certain ways at certain times um i was uh yeah because britney i mean it's just like i mean they turned her into damn donatello out there the freaking ninja turtle i mean she's out here every other week she has a different weapon she's spinning around yeah it's sad it's so sad when you if you go back and watch her she's like a damn slap chop over there no it's crazy yeah they turn her into a damn smeg blender or whatever you know what that's what and the whole thing was like you know we had to do this to protect her we had to put her in a conservatorship because she was spending her money it's her money genuinely if you make 10 million dollars yeah and you want to irresponsibly spend it all that that's actually kind of your right you don't need to put somebody in a conservatorship to you have a right to go broke is anybody put in a conservatorship when they lose all their money in vegas or if you get yeah that's a good it's your money you're you have a right to lose it it's like what are you talking about judge decides you're not responsible enough same thing with wendy williams i don't know what's going on with that but she's been somebody took her it's her bank it was kind of scary i was like we need to go back to a cash society because could you imagine your bank calling and being like your money is mine because that's what happened to wendy williams well that's what happened to kanye too wasn't it didn't his bank freeze he got debanked he got debanked how do you even get that they just send you a letter and they're like sorry we don't like your views that made me feel like i'm not going to that made me go local i did like i saw what happened it was wild like how are you sending letters just like hey theo i saw episode uh 279 and you were debanking you yeah yeah i'm like the banks have got too much power yeah man you lost your atm privileges for this week that's how it'll be for this past weekend yeah yeah for this past weekend you're cooked so when i started seeing that i was like okay so we pulled out of the the big banks and and sort of my local going local for everything is better i 10 out of 10 would recommend everyone goes local for their food for their banking knowing who these people are as a human beings i think really matters and we who was it that got debanked and it kind of sent a chill up our spine and we were like let's just leave them before they leave us because i'm not considered to be uncontroversial so if we're heading in that direction that's just china though credit score system i feel like that's where we're treading if you debank someone based on an opinion or a belief that's that's not going to effectively a credit score system so like a like almost a social credit social credit yeah that's like that black mirror episode that was um do you remember that one that was so good black mirror freaked me out really i think it's why i'm so paranoid about a lot of this stuff even what we're talking about with kids on technology because i watched every episode of black mirror and black people you got pissed about it too remember they're like oh a mirror is fine but it's a black mirror and shit's all fucked up you know i didn't even remember that there was a lot of people online like that oh everything you know it's a black mirror it's a black mirror it's a fine with a regular mirror, but people pull up with a black mirror and now shit's gone bad. Yeah, I think they just meant the screens are black. I know, I know. That's hilarious. I'm sure that, because I feel like that kind of came out when there was a lot of that going on. People were looking to be offended. But that was, that episode was scary. Oh, the best. And she had to like be nice to somebody and then this, and then her score was down. And then that's how she felt about herself. That's the scariest part is when the score goes down. Yeah, Black Mirror becomes reality with China's social scoring. What's the episode called? Can you give me that? Nosedive, it's called. Yes. Black Mirror, Wikipedia. That was so good. Are we far from that though? I think we're, I think we are literally in it and we just don't know. We are obviously in it. That's what I think the most. Like 1000% and that's they, that's when you see these like mobs descend and that's what cancel culture is all about. That's actually trying to develop a social credit score. Like you can't perform in this arena because you said this. You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't partake in society because we disagree with you. And then it gets even scarier because at least she had minor offenses. And the episode, if I remember correctly, like it could be anything who you were hanging out with. But now it's even scarier because you can get canceled for doing the right thing. Like they can dip your credit score for doing social credit score for doing the right thing. Like, like speaking up about something. Like if somebody speaks up about Gaza, right? And then suddenly you can't play the stadium. Like we just saw last week. Yeah. So think about that where it's basically saying you have to be a bad person to partake in society. And I think that's what we've been going through. Kind of for like the last three years. Yeah. I mean, at least I have, I don't know if that's a personal story, but and we can get into some of it. I mean, and it, well, I do, it's tricky. And so you have to think like, well, one is like, yeah, I think I've even mentioned this to you before. It's like, like you have to start to find new ways to put your money certain places. That's the only thing to affect change. It's like, where do you, where do you put your money? Right. Because it's like, we have to find like almost new systems of, of everything. Right. You have to find like a whole new way. Like a whole new place to put your money. Because as long as they, like kind of these larger bodies, these bigger entities, BlackRock, these bigger things own everything. You just, and we keep having to pay them for everything. You know, it's almost a gift to create this new capitalism or go back to like a smaller structure or something, you know, I don't know. Like when you're just trading with your neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. I should have, I should have brought you over some lettuce today or some tomatoes. Yeah. And we could just trade it. Oh yeah. I could trade you. Yeah. I think I have some fresh, I think I've some fresh basil or something like, you know, something that a woman gave me when she left me or whatever, but I do have, yeah, I think I have some basil. I could trade you for that data center you've got in your- Sorry, can I just, I'm very nosy. Can I just prod a woman left you some basil? Just like a little, I wish things had worked out. A little plant pot with a little basil in it. A little thing like that. Like a breakup basil? Yeah. Breakup basil. That's fantastic. Dude, that's a great idea. That's, that's fantastic. I love this girl. Actually, I think I met this girl. Breakup basil. Did I meet her? Oh no, you didn't. That was just a friend. Okay. Yeah. That came to the- Yeah. That's okay. Where'd we go to the- The farmer's market. Farmer's market. Yeah. And she was looking for a- She was looking for something. She wasn't looking for me. I know that. I walked out with her for about two hours and didn't get a sense that, no, but that was just my friend. That was someone I was trying to see if it could be like a coworker. Yeah. I like breakup basil. That's sweet. That breakup basil. Bah. It's an oregano for me, oregano for me, dog. As you guys know, MoonPay is my go-to place to buy crypto. And now they just launched something called MoonPay Agents. It's tech that lets AI actually handle your crypto for you. Think of it like a smart assistant that can buy, sell, trade, swap coins. Set up recurring buys and even convert crypto back into cash, all on your behalf. You just set up a wallet through MoonPay, verify your identity once, fund it with bank transfer, Apple Pay, Venmo, or PayPal, and your agent can get to work. Your keys stay on your device so you stay in control. MoonPay already powers crypto for millions of people in over 180 countries. Check out MoonPay Agents at moonpay.com/agents. Crypto is risky and can be volatile. 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Dude, I freaking light up. Yeah. You have to have kids because you're just meant to be a dad. They are. Well, thank you. They're just like. They're so funny. They're very funny. They're very entertaining. They're smart. And they're very confident, our kids. So they'll just kind of go right up to you and speak to you. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. And I think that is partially because we abstain from the technology and you just need to go actually communicate and speak and obviously I'm not one that's ever at a loss for words, so I'm over-communicative with them about everything, but they are very funny. They're just. They're very funny, dude. Yeah. They just adore you. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I'll tell other people. They're like, "Oh yeah, Candace." I'll be like, "Dude, she has the best kids." And they're like, "Dude, why are you talking about this lady's kids, bro? Chill." I'm like, "They're my friends. Okay?" In your defense, they are your friends. They absolutely love you so much. That's a good point. It is fun over there. You play with them. I mean, that's why I was like, "You have to be a dad," because you're just. You just. They're fun. The vibes are just there. You're just meant to be a dad. You got to have a lot of kids. I know. You'd be great with boys, too, because I have so many boys and the energy of boys is just on another level. I got to get a batch going. Yeah. Something's going to happen. I can feel it. It's in the. I can feel it in the air. Just got to keep rocking. I get people that hit me up the whole time on Instagram trying to slide into your DMs. Really? That's crazy. Well, shoot. The slide's open. No. There's a lot of people that are trying to date you all over the internet. Girls love you. What the heck? Yes. Where are they? There's a lot of them. I get text messages. I get Instagram stuff. They are just all about you right now. God. You're in your prime. You got to go out there. I got to get out there, then. Yeah. You got to find your. You got to get out there. Shit. I was going to take a nap later. I'm not now. I'm getting on my bike. I'm going to freaking bike around town a little bit. I just got a new eight speed. Yeah. It's supposed to be a 10 speed, but it's from China. So it's like, fuck. You lose two speeds in the mail or whatever. It's just like that's where these Trump tariffs or whatever, it's like you don't even get all 10 speed. We can't get anything in this economy right now. Yeah. Your kids are funny, though, dude. Yeah. One of my buddies said, I was like, "Oh, yeah, she's got the best kids." And they're like, "Oh, dude, do they ever play pin the tail on whoever killed Charlie Kirk?" They're naturally exploring things, investing in things. Investigative. Yeah. Yeah. They're just walking around with like a little magnifying glass, you know, let me see your fingerprints. It is interesting to see which qualities the kids get. You just never know what you're going to get. I don't know. It's just that's the interesting thing about kids is the same two humans can just create a different kid. You just would expect it's just going to be you're dropping the same kid over and over, but they're just all so different. That's what's fascinating. When do you start to notice like what the difference is? Right away. They're in the womb. Really? This one coming? Crazy. Nuh-uh. He's out of control. Oh, my God. He's out of control. Yeah. What is it? And were you noticing something? Is it because like you're like, have you been having like a special sauce or something? Like, are you doing certain condiments or something that could be flaring them up? No. He just they are who they are in the womb. And I've been right about all their personalities. Louise, we could not get a picture of. She was sleeping throughout the whole thing. She, you know, she kind of runs the place. She's tricky. She knows what's going on. And then her brothers are all different. She was the chillest in and in the womb. And he's pretty gentle. Kind of a gentle. Yeah. He's like, sweet. He's so sweet, and he's like, he's my sweet kid. He was sweet in the womb. Like, he'll be excited if you're going to, like, throw him on the couch, but he also wants to do it very softly and, like, kind of, like, make sure it's going to be in a comfortable manner. Yes, exactly. That's exactly Maxie. It's pretty cool. Unless Georgie, and they all want to be like Georgie. Georgie's just the natural leader of the kids, and he loves rules. I mean, every single one of my appointments and the ultrasound, they'd be like, look up. He'd be like, man, this person really loves, this little guy really loves a rule. Oh, wait, he could hear him in the ultrasound, you think? No, but it felt like it because he was just, because they're trying to get certain shots during an ultrasound, so they want to check, like, their spine, heart, whatever it is, and sometimes you just can't get a picture. Like, Louise, forget it. She just was not here for it. She never let them do anything. She's in her own world, but Georgie was just, like, on the money. He hit every single mark in terms of, here's the range. He is perfect, perfect, perfect for height, length, width, whatever, and that's how he is. Georgie is just the, it's all about the rules. You tell him a rule, it will be followed. You've got to be careful if you tell him a rule because then if you catch yourself outside of the bounds of the rules. The rules come back. The rules come back. I mean, rules aren't even rules. He'll tell me his dad's gone for two days, and he'll just be like, you know, daddy doesn't like when that lamp's on. I'm a grown woman. I turn this lamp on when your dad's not here. Dad doesn't like this. So he's his, I always say he's Georgie's mini. It's really sweet. Oh, it's cute. That's what's fun. So you've got to get yourself a litter. I can find you a girl. What's your type? I feel like I know your type. I can get a freaking, I think I can get a woman. It's just been like a little bit tricky. Because now you have exposure. I don't know. I don't try to date like fancy girls really. Like, you know, like what's my type? Let me think. I don't know. I mean, a woman for sure. And good woman. Glad we clarified that. Kind eyes. Has to be able to be a good mom. That's going to be, that's pretty paramount. Okay. When you say kind eyes, give me an example of someone who has not kind eyes. Well, we both know what I'm going to use. I actually wasn't setting that up. I mean, we both know. She who must not be named. She's a Halloween costume of a woman. It's so funny because I wasn't going in that direction. And it's so funny because I wasn't going in that direction. It's so crazy. Maybe I should have. The fact that the whole world knows who we're talking about and who cannot be named. Everybody's, fuck, everything's insane, dude. The world has gone insane. And it's a perfect time for Halloween, too. It is. Because we're already living it. People are like, what do you mean it's Halloween? It's fucking Halloween every day. Every day. Every single day you're going, what is going on? I just want some director to yell cut. I know. I hope we are living in a matrix and the director can just yell cut. Yeah, and then they just give you, and it all shuts down. Like your wife's like, all right, I'm out. She's like, got to be home in 10 minutes. You're like, where's your home? It all shuts down like Truman's. It just ends. Yeah, that'd be kind of nice. I'd be okay with it if they were just kidding. The whole last year we were just running this experiment. We're just evil billionaires and we were running an experiment. Everything's chill. The other alternative is terrifying. This is all real. And you know what it is. We're just kind of getting to a point now where we know they're lying. And they're still doing it. So we just go, where is this going to go? We know you're full of it. We know you're lying. You can't gaslight to this extreme. And the whole world is aware of it. And not have something happen. Yes. But what is it going to be? We're at some inflection point. Well, Netanyahu was up there yesterday. Like he's talking about. He's talking about Hasan Piker. You know, he's talking about like people in the internet. Like you're on the. Like it just. Yeah, it's all become. Dude, you just. You just committed a genocide in broad daylight. And now you're at the White House, like lecturing us about what's right and what's wrong and what laws need to be passed. This is wild. This is a wild update right now. It's a wild update. It's a wild update. And they're like, Macklemore, get out of the stadium. BB, come to the White House. Come to the White House. This is like Mordor 1712, the update or something like that. It's a great like this. It's a crazy update. It is. Maybe that's what it is. It's just like an iOS update right now. I think. And there's some bugs that need to be fixed. Yeah. And then, yeah, he's running around his own Starlink. This is the Starlink. The bed, the children dead. I have. He can't even smile. That's the scariest thing about that guy. The way he lies. And I don't. He can't be human. I don't think he's a human. I don't think he is either. If he is a human. I think that's the saddest thing about him. Is that human people are like, how could something like this happen? One of us be like this. Yeah. But then so he must not be. He must be some aberration. Or maybe because I never looked into it, but I could believe automatically the reptile thing. Because I'm just like, that must be a reptile. Like, that's just because the snake of some description. Yeah. That I don't know, is wearing a costume because there's no way you can be this person. But what's scarier than him, because we can just accept he's evil and insane and deranged and has never been told no in his life. But then it's the people that we kind of thought were human who then just rally around him. People that we worked with, our colleagues, maybe podcasts we listened to. And we just maybe in the back of our mind, we're like, OK, obviously, if push comes to shove, this person, spiral disagreements. If the whole genocide happens or a Holocaust happens, this person is obviously going to be on the good side. And then you're going, oh, no, wait, what's happening? Now I have to realize that there's all these other people who are trying to convince me this is OK. And then you go, how long have these people been walking amongst us? Yeah. These are like the White Walkers in Game of Thrones. Like there was something we didn't even know. Yes. They're being transformed. They're just like now they're all like marching. And it's a terrible season finale. Because even Game of Thrones didn't know what to do. Yeah. They hit the inflection point. Yeah, they really did. Just peaced out. Like, oh, shit, we kind of started this. Don't even know how to end it. It's a terrible ending. Yeah, yeah, dude. But it is at this point where it's like now the White Walkers are walking and they've just been walking for so long. Like, when do we stop walking? Like, what do we even do? It's been seven seasons of us walking. Seven seasons of us walking. I know. And we know it's bad and it's dreadful, but they didn't really know how to end it. So. I think that's what, yeah, that's what's going on here. It's just like, I think they don't know how this plays out. Yeah, I don't know how it plays out. Unless they put everybody under like severe control very fast. I think that's probably what they would be thinking, I would bet. You know, if you start to let everybody know what's going on. Like with the data centers, you mean? Yeah, either the cameras or whatever. But you have to be able to just control everybody really quick, you know. Then, because once people, you know. COVID was the time. It was a test for that, I think. Oh, yeah. And we failed it. I didn't. I didn't either, but we did as a group. Yeah. As a, yeah, as humanity. As a group. I did not fail. I didn't. Was it a group project though? Was it a group project or was it an individual project? We should talk about that. That's a good question. That's important to reflect upon. Was COVID a group project? Yes. And we did fail the assignment. You're right. As a group, we did. But I was the person in the group that got, it was like guys. Right. Carrying the group. Right. Instantly. Yeah. They said I was cool. They said I was crazy. That I was going to get grandma killed. Yeah. Grandma's going to die. You're like. And meanwhile, they have to like, we have to visit their grandmother. Like, they have to visit her in a field from like 200 yards away. They're like using a megaphone and shit. They're like, we love you. And she's like, my legs are itching or whatever. They can't even fucking hear each other. She's getting bit up by chiggers and stuff in a field because she's like, that's where they have to have her or whatever. And they let grandma die alone. And the whole thing was crazy. People were on Zoom funerals. Dude, my buddy clicked over. I forgot about the Zoom funerals. Shout out to anybody who was on a Zoom funeral. Hold on. Can we just have a moment of silence for the people that went to a Zoom funeral? Because that is just. Yeah. No. I can't believe I forgot about this. I attended a Zoom wedding. Did you? Yes. It was my sister's wedding. I forgot. It's such a trauma has just been unlocked. I'm about to start crying. I forgot about this. This is crazy. Yes. My sister's wedding. My sister, she had to, she had to have a Zoom wedding. It's crazy. Wow. Yeah. Because they just said she couldn't, you know, that was it. And so they wanted to get married. They already had plans to get married. So they just had some recording. We just all hopped on Zoom. That's not right. No, it's horrible, dude. Well, dude, I went to a Zoom funeral. It was a black funeral too, dude. And it was like, everybody started beefing because everyone to play their own music. Like at their own house for the funeral or whatever. Like, so some people were playing like, you know, like boys to men, like, can we go back? And some people were playing like, would you target with, you know, like, so it just people had to, and so like people started like music beefing at this, um, it was like an urban Zoom funeral. Oh my gosh. And then the guys up there and you didn't even have, he forgot to turn the speaker on and shit. You're like, what is even, it's like grandma's going home and we can't even fucking, this is terrible. I forgot. I forgot. We all lived through this. We, we all have. We all unlocked trauma from COVID. We got to, Dr. Fauci needs to go to prison. I mean, this is crazy. Now that we're all here and realizing. And he's not, he's coming out with a new pasta sauce. Somebody said. Is he coming out with a pasta sauce? Of course he is. Can you look that up? Is, is, is, is it Fauci with the sauce for real? Can somebody tell me? Is it Fauci with the sauce? Yeah. I think he has a new pasta sauce. I plead the fifth. Is it called I plead the fifth? It's called co-vodka. No, it's not. It's a new Italian. It's a co-vodka sauce. No, it's not. - It's not, it's not true. you'll love kovac yeah this this uh and it has a booster in it has also a booster that's that they were discussing that they're like people are vaccine hesitant so we're just going to start putting in the vegetables and it'll naturally just like we're just going to give it to you in lettuce yeah i also don't like and i haven't looked into it but you know i'm a vibe person that whole the entire announcement that trump made about we're going to get beef from argentina i was like nope yeah nope stamp the beef with argentina i'm not buying it because that's something like why do you need immediate beef from some place that where the the like uh rulings of how they can process it and stuff are probably different probably safer even though no buy from american farmers it's the one thing that people can do is a little more expensive yes it is and i get that that's hard but you know you and i always talk offline about like what are the little changes that we can encourage people to make and that's a huge one like getting to know who your farmers are and you doing whatever you can to support them and trying to avoid but definitively i can tell you whatever is going on with that argentina beef something's not right oh that i think they're going to give us more parasites or something something is not right with that beef there i think they could have been launching some something new into the community because that tina beef be hit and cut i i mean i'm the tina beef is gonna have parasites that's my assumption is gonna have parasites i because i think we're waking up too fast and they gotta just get parasites in our stomach as fast as possible i know or something it's gonna be a long halloween it was random such a random announcements like here's what i'm doing we got three thousand hundred thousand tons of argentina it's gonna be cheaper yeah it's gonna be cheaper i'm happy to spend a little more money on my beef actually yeah i want american beef yeah i'll just fast yeah you know i'm saying i'll do something but yeah when you think when you kind of step outside and look at it you're like yes something's wrong here this isn't yeah like what's wrong with you what's wrong here just woke up on a random tuesday and just decided argentina beef i was nah i'm okay and it's so such a reverse in everything that he was doing during the first term yeah what do you think happened there what do you think really happened do you think that he was a like well there was always a ledge that he had like he's had like a pass that was definitely splotchy right but that's every american absolutely it was splotchy that's every american right and there was something even almost relatable about that right then thought he was gonna be there was gonna be a possibility there right like oh this is yeah this is a guy who was on a tv show um who like he's at least in this realm in this rich realm right he's always been looked at as kind of a loser in that realm maybe by those people unless it's financially based he's always kind of it seemed like he'd always been kind of made fun of as an adult do you think so yeah i mean i think we all just thought he was gonna like yeah what did we think collar you know he spoke like a regular person and i think we thought that he was going to sort of enact common sense policies definitely definitely was going to be anti-war yeah and then 2.0 just hit different i think what happened was the epstein files really yeah i mean look he took 300 million from miriam adelson at least now we know how much it costs to buy a presidency so we can all aspire to that if we've got 300 million sitting in the bank we can just buy a presidency yeah right and uh beyond that i think the epstein files are going to be a big deal for him because he's going to be a big deal for him because he's going are problematic i mean when pam bondi said that if they released all the files she said something along the lines if they were released all the files it would crush the global economy that's that's a pretty strong statement and i want to make sure i get that right so you can look that up pam bondi says that if we prosecute everyone in the epstein files the whole system will collapse fuck and by the way that's so close that i feel like that's kind of what we want so that seems aspirational but you have to wonder what's in there and i think we don't really need to wonder we know what's in there yeah so it's just global trafficking elites everyone blackmailed every politician blackmailed all over the world you know the kid stuff is a component of it weapons trafficking everything crazy that's what's in the epstein it's like this pandora's box and the truman show people the white walkers as well like who they're just mk altering and are just in these positions i mean that was kind of the wildest part of the brigitte lawsuit was i said one thing about the epstein files i said one thing about the epstein files i said one flyaway comment of brigitte mccrone was born at the beginning of on the date that mk ultra became became a program and they mentioned it like 12 times in the lawsuit i was like this is a weird sensitivity why are you so sensitive about someone mentioning mk ultra and i do think that a lot of these people are hypnotized and they're traumatized from their youth and they are literal white walkers among us and then they're kind of put into these position of power into these positions of power not based on a meritocracy like just like you've gone through their program or whatever the epstein program so to speak and yeah do you think they go through the program without even knowing it and then they realize oh this is where i am i think they're no i think they're farming children legit like trafficking children sending them to certain schools i hope they're farming them locally that's all i hope yeah at least i hope it's just not from argentina it's not but no i yeah it's but that's i think that's what's going on and so that's what we were looking at in some of the series that we were doing was how many times i refer to as the mightest touch that somebody's just like pulled through the ranks that's not actually an impressive person and yet they're you were told that there were some genius and you start looking into their past and nothing makes sense and they're actually kind of dumb there's a lot of those people and they're put at the head of a company or um at the head of a country yeah like manuel macron gets a little dicey start looking into his past so manuel macron that's the president of france yeah and that's and you guys are in a law are you guys currently in a lawsuit still yes yes is it something you have to keep dealing with yeah you have to keep dealing with it because that's one of the strategies of how the state tries to take you out is just to bankrupt you for asking questions and um but this was unusual though because i think this is the first time in world history that a sitting president of a country has sued any media person in another i mean it's just weird i mean it'd be very strange if like vladimir putin sued you right just be weird yeah no i don't care what it is what that you say about vladimir putin like he's not gonna it would just be weird it'd be weird you'd be weird to think that like oh yeah he's coming to nashville because he's got a court date again we're getting to this inflection point we're like hey man is this real like the sitting president of france is suing candace uh yeah kind of weird it's kind of weird it's kind of like getting to be like lost at the end of lost or they were just fucking like you know running out of ideas yes like at the end of lost where they just did too many things like the black smoke and the like i never saw it but i know what you mean when like the writer's room is just they're running out of ideas you just got to shut the show down at that point and i think lost might have been the original kind of it was our first kind of tv covet i think because it it was like how much are people willing to go on such a journey lost was like a seven-year journey that most of america was on okay i was not on that journey and ended basically crazy it didn't end okay right so it's just like yeah i we like we were with you we were on this journey and now it's getting weird and so they start to do that and then it's like it then they make it a little bit more in real life with like something like covid you know i think they've done it in the in the in the mental health sector too i think ssris were a big thing depression that coming out and then like 20 years after that i think that um uh bipolar disorder was something that was starting to be really really diagnosed all the time and now it's something i hear like everybody had like i hear so many cases of it can you look that up when was bipolar disorder i mean frankenstein was like the first or dr frankenstein or whatever but when it was like current bipolar disorder when did that start popping when did it start popping i mean halloween just gonna be it's gonna be a good one will people dress up like you for halloween century first century ce yeah but this that's just i think like men dressing up like women and stuff um yeah because i think the last time that you were on here we had talked about this and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be like i'm gonna be like i'm gonna be about that lawsuit yeah but just think about how weird that we're talking about a lawsuit with the sitting president of like it's just yeah this is bonkers they have to they have to end it's got to be we got to end the series now right because we're getting the ideas are getting too crazy how do we go beyond that is there is there a way that lawsuit will end it like do you guys see an end to it or just imagine being in the court and just going i'm sorry what is the case i'm looking at i don't even the sitting president of france like you just you're the sitting president of france you're supposed to like now we can't do this we can't do this we can't do this we can't take a lot of these people seriously that's also what the problem is with stuff like this is i feel like there was this i want to i don't say like um like we almost like respected certain things and we thought it was real for sure this illusion of power at least and the illusion matters like we have to it has to feel untouchable you know it has to feel like it could be real it's untouchable and it's aspirational and then when you have like the sitting president of france suing podcasters in different nations you're like okay you're not a serious person like you're not a serious person like you're like the rest of us stop this pretense this is coming out of the elysee palace just forget it you're just like a regular homeboy you know and that's i'm really upset about that like we now we have to realize that everyone's an idiot everyone's emotional and they're all they also happen to be liars and so for them they're like how dare you expose me i i have the state behind me so now i can sue you and it's like even if you get beyond the lawsuit like how does this work like you're the sitting president of france even if you won the lawsuit what's gonna am i gonna be shut up here you're gonna take money from my bank account here like what's right what are we doing Talk about realizing that the entire system is globalized. What are you talking about? And then you have Trump cheering it on. The lawsuit? Yeah. You have Trump cheering it on, saying that he hopes Brigitte triumphs in court. I mean, who knows who controls his Twitter feed or whatever. Have you communicated with Trump about it at all? Well, he told me to stop talking about Brigitte. He called me in February of 2025. I didn't even know that. Yeah, because I was doing a whole series on potential Mossad ties and all this stuff. And I got a phone call from him asking me to just stop talking about Brigitte and Sergio Gore. And I'm going, what is going on? Does the White House care about what I'm talking about on a podcast? And they wanted the conversation to stop. But I think now in retrospect, which I've been talking about the podcast now, I think it all actually relates to the Epstein files because the Epstein story is a France story. Like Ghislaine Maxwell, this is a French family. And we were getting into the house of Maxwell and her father, Robert Maxwell, being the central key. It's deep. It's deep. And then you realize that his partner was Jean-Luc Brunel. It was the modeling agency. It was all French. And so I didn't put two and two together really until after Charlie's passing. The French modeling agent and founder of Karin Models and MC2 Model Management, backed by Epstein, which was financially backed by Epstein, was one of Epstein's closest associates. Yeah. So I think we didn't realize what tree we were barking up when we started the series looking into Epstein. And I didn't realize. That these pieces could obviously come together if you're talking about a world of trafficking. And I think, you know, the modeling companies were a front for trafficking a bunch of people from Eastern Europe. That seems to be the picture. Epstein also was involved in weapons. And so it gives you an ability to do that. And so a lot of these, I look at the fashion industry now different because you expect to see young women. They're like, oh, this model from Australia. Donia. And she's 14. But look how beautiful she is. And now I am going, this was kind of all happening right in our face. Because as you start to look through the Epstein files and he was like picking who was going to win pageants. Wow. Epstein won the lottery twice. Talk about us just realizing that's fake. Did he really? Look that up. I want to fact check that. But I'm pretty sure he won the Powerball twice. Or maybe it was the Powerball twice. Did Jeffrey Epstein win the lottery? The studies show. No official state or national lottery organization. He. Has recorded a winner by the name connected to a major verified jackpot. Okay. So is that was that actually misinformation? So let me see. Oh, wait. Go to Tucker. For some reason, I feel like I read that somewhere because you can't trust AI either. I mean, who knows if Powerball maybe was Powerball. So that's different from lottery or jackpot. I don't know the difference between all these things. But yeah, in Oklahoma, maybe it was just one once. But it's like a bit weird. Like, you know, and so you take a look at that and you're going, what's happening? Are we just laundering money? Like, is it about children? Like, yeah, what is because here's the thing in the end, what is it all about? Is it is it about sex? Is it about money? It's just about power. Like, because now, like, all of it, I mean, the women, Red Sparrow, like, I think that they are probably running the most Red Sparrow, not that pizza place, is it? Is there a pizza place called Red Sparrow? Yeah, I think so. Look that up. Oh, my God. No, I've eaten. I've I've dined. No, there's no Red Sparrow. What? I've dined in there. That's crazy that there's a pizza. Is that in Nashville? What the fuck, man? Oh, shit. It's in Australia. What were you doing in Australia eating pizza? Oh, I fucking I was hungry. You think I don't get hungry just because I'm traveling? People got to eat in Australia, too, but I'm banned from Australia, so I can't I can't go. You are? Me and Kanye, I think, are like the only people that have ever been banned from Australia. It's crazy. We got to back a couple of things up here. OK, first, let's get it. And yeah, and I'm not sure. If this was yeah, this may or may not have been the place that I that I went to. But yeah, thank God. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't know. Nothing bad happened at this pizza place. I was I wasn't even referencing a pizza place. I was saying Red Sparrow, like the movie. OK, I haven't seen that. I haven't seen that. Yeah. I thought you meant red spare pizza. They're going to get hit with so many reviews. What's going on? I read Sparrow in Australia. Yeah, bro. Sorry, bro. You guys are chill. Very sorry. Allegedly. Allegedly. Just a couple of allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly. Good day, mate. All the movies, like all of these spy women fucking Halloween that have been put through the MK Ultra program since they were kids. And then they're just sent to marry. Because if you think about that more broadly, speaking of what Courtney Love was saying about the publishing rights, well, power in general, like you've got to have a way to access power. So you get all of these women who are like completely hypnotized to marry these men, because what's always going to be, you know, biblically speaking, what's going to be the easiest way, no matter how much power a man has. If you want to control them, send a cute girl. Send a cute girl looking for sugar or whatever. Yeah. So they like are. This was, I think, based on like, it was real, like they were training women. This is a book by this guy. The story is based on the best selling Red Sparrow novel by former CIA officer Jason Matthews. It draws on historical Cold War sex spionage. Yeah. Tactics. Yeah. Mm hmm. I mean, there's still this shit. It's. Just marry a dude. They can just. Right now, like you look, you're building a little empire so they could just send you a wind up doll and then you love her. Hmm. Just leave everything to her. You know, that's scary. And she's just a she's just like a data center of a woman. She's not a real woman. Wow. I think a lot of people are thinking about that right now, too. Like. But I don't know if I would want. Who the bleep did I marry? Right. That's the show. Yeah. Hmm. That's scary. That stuff scares me. The idea of not knowing who you marry or what they're capable of, even in real world scenarios like there was that case that just happened. Caleb Flynn or whatever. I didn't see that. It's just I don't know what's going on with people. He was having an affair. Of course. It's a man. Christian pastor or was at least involved a worship leader at least having an affair with an adult. Was it with an adult? It was. But it's like he then wanted out of the relationship and like rather than just filing for divorce, he kills her, his wife. And you just go, OK, oh, yeah. Also former American idol singer singer. Hmm. It's a dark world, guys. There's so many other options here, you know, and it is it's a it's a dark, dark world. But even even in the retrospect stage, the home invasion. Yeah. And in the retrospect, what's crazy is her sister, like the victim's sister, was comforting him. She's like, I had no idea that he was capable of this. That is so scary. And for something so dumb, like you just wanted you had a fling with a girl like that's crazy to me. Just leave the marriage if that's what it comes to. So you wonder what's going on in this person's head. You don't know who you marry. That is the draw of that. Where people, I think, are wondering, like, oh, yeah, because people say, why are women attracted to true crime? It's actually because you learn things about people. You think that's true? Absolutely. It's a psychology. It's the it's the different mindset about, you know, hunters and gatherers like women are different creatures. We socialize more. We speak more from a time that we speak more words than men from a time that we start speaking. We speak faster. And you have to develop those certain traits over time over, you know, it's it's it's evolutionary. So women socialize, they communicate and they learn information because they have to be the ones that keep the kids safe and all, you know, and so you're talking to each other like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's crazy. I didn't even think about the possibility that the housekeeper could do this or whatever. As you're watching some show, I didn't think about the possibility that a best friend could do this. Then suddenly you're watching somebody else's story and you're thinking, let me make sure that this is taken care of in my household and my kid is not being exposed to this. And but yeah, I could see some of that. I could certainly see some of that. I think sometimes when I think I always thought that women watch those shows because they secretly like this might sound crazy, but they secretly respect these murderers. What? Because at least it's a guy making a commitment, right? Like say what you want about it. That guy is that is committed. Men and women will never understand each other. That is what I've just learned right now. Men and women were just men are from Mars and women are from Venus. No women watch it because there's like it's a draw of like, how could something have gone so wrong? Like where could it's a safety thing? I don't see. I see a lot of women like, oh, at least that guy's willing to commit to her. Yeah. No, that's not. That's not the conversation. Like he said, he would come over and he did come over. No. Yes, he killed her. But at least he showed up. That is not the conversation that's going on. I always love thinking of what it's like that meme of what guys think is going on in a girl's head and what girls think guys are thinking. And it's just we're just from different planets. Yeah, we are. It's fine. We're from different planets. That's what I've realized. Having boys and girls is just there's no comparison here. Yeah. It's just so different. What's going on in their minds is never what's going on in our minds. Guys think we're crazy. That's what they think we're thinking. And then we look at guys and we're like, you're crazy. Like how are you guys so chill about this? Yeah. And in certain regards. And it's just yeah, we're all just yeah, we're just fish passing in the night or whatever it's called. I think I think it's the ships ships passing in the night. Yeah. If fish are passing in the night, dude, dude, if I would even notice because there's so much water. But yeah, dude, I'm telling you, it's frickin Halloween. To be clear, fish do pass in the night as well. There's nothing wrong with that expression. We can say fish passing in the night. It's fish. Yeah. They pass each other. Fish passing in the night. Her I bet he is thinking of another woman him. Why do we throw our bait towards the middle of the lake when we fish from the bank, but throw our bait towards the bank when we fish from a boat? This is girl versus guy just. This episode is sponsored by better help. If you've thought about trying therapy with our long term partner. or better help, insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average co-pay for eligible members of just $23 per session. World Mental Health Day is October 10th, but stress doesn't care. It's not going to take that day off. You got to take an active approach sometimes. Therapy isn't just for the big life choices. 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What do you think contributed the most to it? Because I do think that the majority of people, let me think through this because I want to make sure I'm not going to regret the statement, but I do think that the majority of people are normal. And I think we see the extremes a lot, right? And so that's one of the things like, because my life is very like real and we don't kind of, I guess, play Hollywood or DC games and we have our friend, nobody knows who our friends are. Like you're kind of our only friend that's famous, so to speak. And we are keep our kids off the internet. Like I just feel like my life is very real. And so I know real people. And so I'm wondering if we are also responding to the extremes because we then open our phones and we see like BB Net and Yahoo saying this or someone making a strange, like, I don't know, just doing something insane. And that's what the media is going to cover because they can't cover people being normal. Like, so I think the majority of people are normal, but the people who have power are- Eccentric pedophiles. Right. And so they have to keep escalating things. Because they're angry at the normal people are now going, oh, I think you guys are a bunch of pedophiles. And so then they have to be more extreme in their insanity and trying to gaslight us and make us think that we're the crazy people. Like, I don't know. I think about that sometimes, like what's contributing to it. And they want, basically they want to make us think that they're the majority, but they're actually not the majority. The majority of people don't want to put a tit on their back. They want to balance them at soccer. Right. Some people, sure. Yeah, some people do, but pedophiles are trying to get that because they want to, it needs to be a new marketing surgery. It needs a new thing. That's the problem with Hollywood. It was like the illusion of a majority because they had so many fans, but they're not, they're not the majority. And now it's changing. And so they got to, they got to turn up the furnace. Yeah. Oh yeah. You guys are going to be the tit backs or whatever. And you guys are going to be, oh, who's your son play for? The tit box. Not a terrible name for a team. Yeah, I agree. But it's just, you're right. It's getting fucking weird. It's turning into a tit box. Do you think that you've influenced a lot of Halloween costumes? Is there any, see if there's any, is there any Candace Owens Halloween costumes out there? They're probably scared. Cause they're going to be like, it's instantly black face. Yeah. I will say this when you have, when you have, uh, an artist or, um, when you have like a personality or someone from the world that you like, that is black or even dark, dark native American. I've never been offended by that. I think it's crazy when they're like canceling four-year-olds and they want to dress up. As Moana. Cause they love Moana. Yeah. And then they dress up as Moana and your parents canceled. I was like, come on, man. What do you mean? She loves Moana. She can't even spell racist. I know. That's why my kids it's great. Cause they're mixed. So they can just, they don't have to do either one. Oh, slide in and be Cinderella. No way. No way. Oh no, that's a tweet. No, they're making fun of this, this, this, this week's thing where they found a video of me. Okay. It wasn't even, it's literally from my college project. Oh, with the lesbian stuff you mean? Yeah. But that doesn't seem like. No, lesbian stuff wasn't from my college projects, but this is just someone just doing a. Who is that? What now? What period of your life was this Candace? That's. So I was playing a police officer. It's actually a very funny, long, long video. So this is a real photo? No, it's a real photo. I was playing a police officer for my sophomore year college. Uh, I was a journalism major. So you had to like, you know, this is back when you had the video camera and like the early editing in 2008 or whatever. And so your final project was always to pick a topic. And then you had to like create a video and submit it. So somebody hacked my, and then you put up on YouTube and I guess I didn't private or unlisted or whatever. So for some reason, back in June of 2025, somebody hacked my YouTube account from college, which only had this video. Cause you have to just send the link to your professor or whatever. Sorry. You're good. Is that good? Yeah. I guess somebody hacked my YouTube account last year. So it's a two decade old video. It's still hilarious. People should actually go watch it. And it was just, we were covering the Adderall epidemic on college campuses and we were obviously being, it was, it was satire. So we were leaning into like getting arrested for this person was a drug dealer who was selling Adderall. Um, so it's just a video from school, but is that why? Because there was something I saw last week. It was like about lesbianism or something like that. Did you ever practice lesbianism? I don't care if you did. Form of witchcraft. No, of course it was totally fake. It was their, it was their latest like Candace drop. And it was so insane. Cause we were like, what is going on? How are you taking this innocent college video? And so they're like, we hacked this. And then we found that she had a Twitter account and I'm like, yeah, like what's, what is wrong with any of this? And then of course, if you put it all into Claude, they're like, and then they just pretended that this account, they're like, we can't show you how, but this connects to all of these crazy lesbian accounts from 2008. I'm like, dude, 2008 is too early. A and they made a mistake. Could you have been a lesbian at that time? If I was lesbian at that time, you just go to the bar. I'm on a college campus. Like, you don't, you go to a frat party. You don't make like 2008. Wasn't the time where people were making hang your tongue out of your mouth and run down the street. I'm like, this is, I think they're just got the, it's like, what are we talking about? People don't need to make accounts. We Facebook just started like, you know, there's people weren't doing this kind of stuff. The world wasn't that weird in 2008. Um, so, but anyways, what was really funny though, was they only messed up on one point. So they then like, of course tried to fight all these accounts that didn't have, uh, you know, didn't have a person's face and it got debunked pretty quickly. But the thing that they forgot, you want to know what saved me? I had a trashy tattoo and a belly ring and they forgot to put it on there. And I was like, see, mom, I disobeyed you, dunking on my mom two decades later. I'm like, you see, I told you this tattoo would pay off. Wow. Yeah. Because they, they forgot the tattoo and the belly ring and the belly rings. Cause you know, millennials and I always talked about it on my podcast on, at the daily wire, she was like, you know, this was the regret because tattoo removal is very, very painful, but they just forgot it in the, in the Candace series. And then, so the whole thing got clearly, I was like, guys, it's just different. People weren't, it's just weird. So you never, you see, you never did it. No, of course. No. Do you notice what they were accusing me of? They were, it was like, they weren't even casual. It was so Epstein coded. They were like this website. She's had six, like six profiles on adult friend finder, trying to find group, like group sex group activities or whatever. Yeah. Like I'm like, people weren't doing that. We had blackberries, man. It was a simple, it was a simpler time. First of all, we had blackberries and also any woman with a blackberry BBM T-Mobile was like that side kick. That was a land of side kick. That was a lesbian item. I never had a sidekick. Maybe it was a lesbian item. I feel like my mom had a sidekick. Did she, she did, but we're so wait, was there a photo? That's not. So none of the things that they were saying were sexual pictures, right? No, no, they, they, then they tried to like, like, there was no, there was no sense. It was totally schizophrenic, but they lesbian Candace and see what it is. So then they, yeah, they tried to put up this photo. Half a WNBA. So we can't do that, dude. Yeah. So then they tried that photo in the corner and then they, let me see it. They didn't know. I didn't have a, they didn't know that I had a belly ring and a, um, a tattoo. So then they tried to go back and be like, whoa, Candace, is that you? It ain't me, unfortunately. So then they found the photos after of my tattoo. And I was like, y'all, you guys already, uh, fumbled the ball. You can only do the fake. You can only try the fake porn thing once. I was like, you missed the trashy tattoo and you missed the belly ring. And then they found the photos, actual photos of me in college. And I had a trashy tattoo. Oh, dude, when you're in college, dude, every who is, I couldn't name 75 people. Also men. When I was in college, I weren't lesbians first of all, but yeah, I mean, everybody dude, brunette, what was it? Burnett's bro. You hang your tongue out the fricking, it just out of a moving car window and something will run across it. Literally disgusting. It's just a different time. I mean, I kind of benefited from just, I was always just very honest with my audience about like, I talked about the tattoo regret, belly rings, the like Christina Aguilera phases drinking in college. And I think that you get this, like, that's one of the things that I think I benefited from is just, I've never pretended to be this perfect person, you know, like I, I mean, I drank in college. Well, that's all normal life. It's not like you're going to have a normal life, right? But like then, but going to like the sex route and like trying to pretend that people are prostituting on your net, it's just because I don't support Israel. Like, it's just like, we're getting a little crazy. You know what I mean? Like, there's something about that, that I was like, it feels, I don't know, like not. Well, it just feels cheap. I mean, it feels, but it's like, it goes back and you're trying to edit my character. It's like, I've already told you the flaws. Like, you don't need to, you know, and like to try to sexualize things is crazy to me, but. Well, I think we're in a different time where you can't use those types of things as much anymore, right? Say you were somebody that had, that had even dated a woman, who cares? And say you were somebody that was having, going through a tough time and was, and was selling and was like involved in like, um, some sort of sexual thing. So what? Yeah. Like people are human people, right? Yeah. What somebody then also said is the new thing now. Like I, we're also just lucky that. The internet wasn't what it is now, but someone was even saying that now what they do is they get these, like, you know, there'll be these like data leaks and they'll be able to find like an old password of yours. And so then they'll go, this gratefully didn't happen to me. And they'll, but they'll like access dormant accounts and then they'll create profile. They'll create a digital profile for you. And you've never even been on this website. So now it's getting very sophisticated and people just need to be careful on the internet. Like, and maybe that goes back to my point earlier about me just not wanting to put my kids out there. Because. If you're putting your kids out there on the internet and you're public, how do you know they're not already creating fake identities for your kids? Like pretending your kid has a Tik TOK or whatever it is, just using a dormant account and creating a whole profile. Like there are entire profiles of me, profiles of people, you know, good fan profiles, but then there could also be profiles that are not fan profiles. I hate you. I saw one, there was one of you, I think it was somebody that said it was like dark farmer women or whatever. Bring that one up. No, do not. Is it? What is it? It's not illegal or anything. It was just like, it was like kind of a farmer's only dating thing or whatever. But I think it was, or not dark, it was darker farmer women or tanned farmer women. And you were like the most tan on there or something like that. Oh me? Yeah. It was just a conservative female dating site or something. What? See if you see it. I have an account on darker farmer women? Look, I don't think it's a bad look. No, that's so crazy. No, pull that up. Don't say it like that. You make it sound very negative. No. It's a good place for people to meet people, especially in Murphy's borough. There is no way. Are you kidding? I'm not kidding. I know I saw this or I, you know, you go through, you just like. Yeah. You scroll and you see stuff. No. This she has to actually find. Or dark. Yeah. Like, uh, or like mahogany farmer. It was something like that. I don't know what the terminology was used. Sorry. Wait. So is it like a website dedicated to black farmers? Literally? No. It's a, at the, it's like, it's sort of like a urban farmer dating site. I think. Wait, like urban, like city or urban, like black people, whatever you want it to be. I don't know. I've never heard of this. Okay. I think it's black people, but I don't know. Why are you on these websites? I'm not on them all the time. God. I'm just trying to do my best. Yeah. This I didn't know about. Look, I'm telling you, it gets, I gotta get it. Yeah. I gotta get a family suit. You gotta get a family suit. I didn't even know about this. And this is how you get one. Sometimes. Yeah. You gotta go, you gotta search. You gotta shop around. There you go. You learn something new every day. An urban farmer site. Are they using my photo though? For real? No. I, it was somebody, I think it could have been something that was fictional. Who knows what's real anymore? Oh. Oh. Oh yeah. I don't know about that. Yeah. That's a profile for me. No, I saw a profile, but I don't think that it was, it wasn't a sexual thing. Black female farmers, farmer dating. I didn't know this was a thing. Single farmers dating. Okay. I love this. Let me see. Cause we need more black farmer women and look at this white woman sneaking in even the third woman. This is crazy. I didn't even know it was what, like there's so many websites like. Oh, there you go down there. Let me see a woman of a different breed right there. I'm that special lady. Pull up. What are you doing on this website? I'm just looking to see what's online. That's so crazy. Wait. She's not black. That's what I'm saying. Some of these girls be trying to late. Oh, that seems like a bot. Some of these dating sites are so bots and who is that lady? I'm a professional high fashion model. That's how it starts right there. There you go. Right there. That is hilarious. Yeah. I didn't know about this. And that's your Epstein bot right there. It's dark. Candace. And I'm talking about the women. That is crazy. It's dark out there. I think we all just got it. Some of us too much. Too much online. Sometimes it is. And I was even because we were just talking about it now, like the millennials, we kind of carved it all out. And even the earlier dating sites, like it was so much more innocent than like people were on like eHarmony. There were like commercials for it. And then I was I was telling my producer, Ashley, I was like, even when Tinder got started, my friends that were on Tinder, they it was people would go on dates and it was normal. And then everything became so sexual. I feel like in like 2012, things kind of went down the drain and maybe a little later. Maybe it was like 2015, but I don't know, there was like an innocence to the internet in the beginning. And then it got very dark and sexual and weird. And Tinder got taken over. And then it was like Netflix and chill. And then people kind of migrated and went to Bumble because they were trying to get out of that filth. And now it's just like, I can't imagine trying to date at all. Like it's just really, especially online, like you just don't know, like everything is so scary now. Well, yeah. In the beginning, it was kind of like casual. It used to be. It used to be a lot more innocent. And Google used to be real, by the way, the results that we got back, there were so many different options. Yeah. And then I feel like we stepped into like a totally different era where everything now is like fake, fake and gay. Like I always say, it's just fake and gay and you're like, okay, what's real? Are these like there? We just got bots everywhere. It's trying to tell you what to think. Google is no longer giving you every answer. It's like telling you what the answer needs to be. As soon as you answer, you can't even trust the first answer on Google. You actually should just dismiss the first answer on Google and then you have to like, give all of these options. And I try to explain to people, I'm like, the internet is now fake. It's just everything about it is a veneer. Right. It started to almost eat, digest its own self in a weird way. They got smart and we're like, no, we need to tell them what to think and not show them what other people are thinking. Wow. You know, the dead internet theory. That is a hundred percent. I believe, I believe that. The dead internet theory is an online concept, which suggests that the internet is now mostly controlled by automated bots and AI generated content instead of real people. I agree. X definitively. I mean, X is just a bot farm. X is the grossest. So gross dude X w what did Elon do? What happened? Because it is the sickest place. You don't even go on anymore. I don't even know anybody who go, it's just like kind of a trashy spot where people are trying to sell meme coins. Let's just be honest. Twitter was better when Jack Dorsey ran it. Wow. We gotta just, we gotta just drop. We gotta drop that right now. But do you think that something happened where then like the people that maybe Elon bought it and then they, they just like haters bought so many bots, like, do you think it's bots? They're obviously fake profiles. I mean, I remember at the like inflection point when they were really trying to get Trump to go to war and Trump was like, I have 100% support and they're like a ridiculous poll. That's so obviously not true. But I remember Michael Knowles, he tweeted something and he like ran a poll of like, do you support the Iranian war? And it was like a hundred percent of people supported it. It's awful. That come on Twitter and that they, you can see sometimes where they launch all these bots. And the trends are completely controlled now. So like you will never see a bot, a bad trend about a Zionist. And then no matter what people who are anti Zionists do, they like try to clean it up and like go after people. So they're controlling the trends, the bots. And I don't know why he allowed that to happen because he kind of came in like, I'm going to rescue X, but you know, maybe it wasn't a good business deal. And so he's just, you know, cut some deals on the side, but everyone knows that it's bots. But I will say this because I don't think it's a bad thing. Okay. I mean, I don't think it's a bad thing, but I don't think it's a bad thing. So I think now we're kind of becoming like antibiotic resistant, you know what I mean? Like they're trying to ascend and we're just like, okay, this is obviously a nonsense. Nobody actually believes this. Nobody believes these charts. Nobody. Yeah. Right. So it's having the opposite effect. And so it's a good thing that we now realize that the internet is dead. The dead internet theory is real. And now what happens from here? Because here's the thing. Say, if there's these higher, like dark powers and they control everything. Once people start to look up and just not be stuck in, in the confusion anymore, right? To realize that, oh, everything's being controlled. It's all like kind of a, so much of things are a myth. You have to immediately control all of them or they'll get out of the cage. Right. Then that's where we're at right now. Right. That feels like, yeah. I don't think they know what to do. They're like pouring more of it on and it looks even more ridiculous. Yeah. It's bizarre. It's like, yeah. We know people don't think this. What are you saying? Yeah. The average person doesn't think like this. So I don't think they ever thought through this plausibility that there would be this awakening this quickly. Cause it did kind of happen quickly. Like we went, the last few years have been, I feel like everything's gone faster. Everything's gone faster. The evil has gone faster. The hope has gone faster. I think more people are kind of like, hopefully, hopefully heading towards faith and trying to find that maybe this is the time where it's just another time in history where you realize that maybe this is something that brings a lot of people back to faith. You know? But even faith is getting exposed. Like the faith grift, so to speak, has been exposed, um, in some areas for sure. I think over the last three years as well, where you got these like pastors who are like ripped jeans and trying to relate and now we're like, wait a second, you're totally just a government. Oh yeah. Like calves for Christ. You'll see those guys doing like the workouts or whatever. Like these calves are for Christ. Christ. What pocket of the internet are you in? I've never seen cows for Christ. I've never seen black. farmers, like where are you right now? What are calves for Christ? Please call this up. I'm online, Candace. Cavs for Christ. But I'm just saying, Jesus, he might have been able to hold himself up on the cross if he'd had these Cavs. No way. Yeah, there's a lot of dark stuff out there, Candace. I just got to like jump into your entire algorithm right now. You're seeing things that I'm just not seeing on the internet. But yes, to your point, I was talking more about like the mega church sort of cool pastor that like relates to you and all that stuff. Well, yeah, I think everything can get corrupt, right? It's like, yeah, but I think that these actually started corrupt, like some of these mega churches because when I, yeah, I mean, the kind of money they're bringing in, I'll tell you where I was, my moment where I said, okay, this is, something's going on here. All right. I don't know if we're drug trafficking, what's going on here with these mega churches, who's funding them, was when Joel Osteen, a plumber, went to go fix a toilet at his mega church and he like accidentally hit a wall and found $300,000 cash. You're lying. Behind the toilet. Let me see. And then Joel Osteen comes out and he's like, oh, there it is. Like. Oh, dang. Oh, there it is. We didn't realize 300. That's, you know, you hate, I hate when that happens. When I accidentally lose 300K behind the toilet and I'm going, are we all accepting this answer for like 300K cash found in like, I think something else is going on here. I don't know. I'm not an expert. I'm not an expert. If these walls could talk, they'd say. Hey, I need to get to a bank. Look at this. This is real. The plumber was Justin Colley. A plumber named Justin Colley found roughly 500 envelopes containing cash, checks, and money orders hidden in a wall behind a loose toilet at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston on November 10th, 2021. The old loose toilet trick, huh? Yeah. Let me come over there. You heard you got that loose toilet. And then look at the resolution there. The church stated that the original stolen amounts had been covered by insurance and that the recovered funds. The funds were inventoried. So you're telling me it was stolen and then someone just put it in a, behind a toilet. Like what would be the purpose of that? Sounds like laundering. It sounds a little bit like maybe we need to be investigating that a little further. Houston police confirmed that the serial numbers and dates on the recovered checks linked to the stash to an unsolved March, 2014 burglary were 600,000, about 200,000 in cash and 400,000 in checks. Think about the story they're trying to tell us right now. Was reported stolen from the church safe. So you stole it. And instead of just walking out with it, you decided to put it in a toilet. Like, I don't think that happened. I think there might've been something going on inside of the church and then you filed for insurance and you got money. And then like, of course on Sunday when they find it and it's a whole scandal, it's just like, Oh, praise God. You know, prayed to St. Anthony and there it is. There it is. There it is. I'm going, wait, are we accepting? There it is. My money. Has come along. They're over there filing off their fingerprints. I'm like, guys, come on. I've been around. You don't just find 300 K behind a toilet. It's different times. Different times. But yeah, I was like, okay, these mega churches are getting real mega, you know? Well, it's all, everything is like, that's the thing about, it's like, I don't know. It's a, everything's a tough balance to take care of yourself and not to get too, and not to get, uh, caught up, corrupted. Yeah. Um, it's Halloween, man. It's turning into Halloween. Um, yeah. What are some good, what are some good Halloween costumes? I wonder. Oh, what are you going to be for Halloween? Probably Brigitte's wiener. Probably. Brigitte would be a great costume. Would people be Macron's wiener for Halloween? Has anybody ever been that? Is that a crazy thing to say? I don't think, um, any, I don't think so. I think they'd be thrown in jail. They don't have free speech in France. Yeah. Really? Yeah. We're headed. We're headed that direction. That's why the journalist that like covered the story had to like move out of France. Nuh-uh. Yeah. For eight years. Xavier Poussard to work on the story. The government was just coming after him. Have you ever spoken to him? Oh, Xavier Poussard? Yeah. He's the, the whole basis of the podcast I did was his work. So he's the one who, he's the real hero of the story. I mean, he was, you can't, that's like, that's old school journalism to commit yourself to one story for eight years and people aren't used to it because we live in such an ADHD society. That's been like me with the Charlie Kirk case. I just haven't let it go. And it's, it's how journalism used to be. You don't just cover something for five seconds and then just dismiss it because you can't. If it's actually a case or something that big, you have to, you know, read the documents. You got to follow what's going on. You have to know the characters or a lot of characters. So. I want to ask you about it really quick. Let me see this. So this says France has freedom of speech, but it is not absolute and comes with specific legal limits. So you don't have freedom of speech. Freedom. French people trying to be tricky. So you don't have it. We have freedom of speech, but it comes. Parlez-vous freedom? All right. Exactly. Like, take that statue of liberty. I never been. Man, I honestly, bro, and no disrespect to the French, bro, but I never really been a big fan of the French, bro. You know, I will say. And that's fine with me. And that's fine with me, cuz. People, people in Paris are not like the people in the rest of France. It's like a different, it's kind of like judging all of America based on New Yorkers. That's fair. Or more like L.A. people. I just think, I don't know. My favorite place in the world is in France, so it's called Annecy. Can you look it up? Annecy. That's random. What are you doing? I thought all these places. I was carousing. I had a lady at the time and we was carousing through there. Is this the basil lady? Netflix and chillin. No. Different girl. No? My old girlfriend. Annecy, yeah. Can you see just the downtown? Pierre-René. It's just a small place. Wow. Beautiful. It's a little town over there. Yeah. Get you a little Chocolat. You must have really liked her. It's like being in that show Chocolat. You ever remember that movie? I did like her. Yeah? What happened? Oh, I don't know what happened. I think I was. It was you. I was cheating probably. Mm-hmm. It was you. Running around. Just being just a wiener head. That reporter was amazing. That what? That reporter in France. Was he? Yeah. Did you ever have him on your show? Yeah. So I actually went out and interviewed him in London because I just couldn't even comprehend the idea of dedicating yourself for eight years to one story. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? And then having to move your entire family. There's no upside for your family. Like he's- So they made his family move because he was- No, he was getting chased by the government. They were doing things and they went after every single journalist that tried to cover the story. What's his name? Picard or whatever? Xavier Poussard. Xavier Poussard. Poussard, yeah. Poussard, bring him up. And he just did the most amazing work and had to wait years, even when he was filing for things that he rightfully was supposed to get. I mean, it's like me right now trying to file FOIA requests and the government just keeps telling us, "Nope. It doesn't matter. Don't have to answer. Don't." And so for eight years, he fought them on this Brigitte story and the book Becoming Brigitte, which I based the podcast series on, is amazing. It's absolutely amazing. So this is the guy who's. And what are his major beliefs? Major beliefs in regard to- In regard to all of his research. The whole goal of the research is what? Is it just to- Yeah. And he's never been sued, by the way, by Brigitte. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. He's never been sued by Brigitte for defamation. It says Xavier Poussard published articles and subsequently a book titled Becoming Brigitte that amplified debunked online- See? Debunked online hoaxes. It's just not true. That's why you can never trust the AI overview because it's just the government. So you're saying that what the AI overview here is saying is not true? Yeah. It's never been debunked. It's never been debunked ever. And so- Let me read what it says real quick. That amplified debunked online hoaxes claiming Brigitte was born biologically male, these false. Narrative subsequently gained international traction after being shared by various commentators and media figures. Looking at you, Candace Owens. But what really happened? For him, they never sued him, but they came after his businesses. It's the squeeze, like I was talking about. One of the mechanisms is they'll try to bankrupt you, kind of terrify you. They went after other journalists on the case and sued them for defamation. Never on the point that Brigitte was born Jean-Michel Trogneau. My lawsuit is not about whether or not Brigitte Macron is a man. They always, and that's what they do, is they try to win these cases on a technicality. Like she's suing me, like I said, for mentioning MKUltra, for saying that she stole her brother's ID because she didn't steal it or whatever. So accusing somebody of theft is accusing somebody of being a criminal, and that's basically what they did. And then they tell the press, and so the press runs, "Candace Owens is being sued for defamation for calling Brigitte a man." Read the case. I'm not being sued for calling Brigitte a man. But people, we never go read the case. We just read the front. There's no problem with the press. And then what happens is you then go on to AI, and it scrapes. And so it's, "Candace Owens is being sued for saying Brigitte's a man." I'm not being sued for saying Brigitte's a man. Wow. Fuck. She's never sued anyone for saying that she was born a man. Do people think that she was born a man? A lot of lawsuits are like that now. It's just for PR reasons, to say that you're suing over something that you're not suing. The entire nation of- Because she's got a small frame. I don't even know if she could hold a little wiener up on it if she had one on her. Brigitte's old. Pull her up. Brigitte's old now, you know? Brigitte's like 80-something now. Pull her body up a little bit. Or not her body. Don't do it like that. But just pull her up as a tall person. Do not pull up Brigitte's body. I'm going to strongly say, "Do not do that right now." What? Ah! Yeah, get that gander right there. Oh, that body couldn't hold a strong Frank at all. I'll tell you that straight up. The case is absolutely fascinating. The real wiener right here is that dude next to her. Who is that, Frank? One of the most protected people ever. - Is she really? Is she really is the question. Do you? How is really she is or is really he? Hey, if he or not to he. That is the question. If these vaginal walls could talk, you know what I'm saying, bro? It's like they wouldn't say a word because they're not here. It's a little crazy story, but Brigitte, I'm not taking back anything that I've said. That's for sure. We can't all be wieners. Exactly. It's just that the Brigitte story is crazy. We got to stop. But if I had a little wiener, I'd fucking keep that bitch on me, bro. If I was a woman, I wouldn't mind having a little wiener, probably. Like if you were a woman, you couldn't if you were a woman. Right. But if you had one, I'd keep that thang on me. Keep that Draco on me. Yeah, you would. Pull it out every now and then. Yeah, I sense. Be like, hey, I'm going to set something in your hand. Guess what it is or whatever. Dude, do you think this is a new game I like to play with people is. Do you think you could. I don't want to play that game. Okay, sorry. Pull up there. It's could you draw your wiener from not even looking at it, just guessing what it looks like. I think it would be an awesome contest to have. You had people and you had like 100 people. They draw their wiener. They don't show their wiener or anything. They just draw their wiener. Whoever gets closest wins almost maybe $2,000. So this is the thing where I say women and men will never be able to understand each other. Why? Because I don't think that that's a thought that's ever crossed the mind of a woman thinking about what men could think about. Oh, yeah. A little wiener contest, a little art. Because I think we normally think like it's hot dogs. Yeah. Wiener competition is Kobayashi consuming as many hot dogs. Oh, maybe rich women. They want that Wagyu Frank or whatever. Yeah, that's it. So this, that competition. I'm talking about the Lord's Lincoln log. I'm talking about that body wiener. Anyway, let's move on. Sorry. You have done a lot of research. You've done a lot of research, probably maybe more than anybody on the Charlie Kirk case. I have. Right. And I'm sorry about the loss of your friend. Thank you. I've seen it's just some just you being able to share some emotional moments over the past year talking about him and some of you guys' relationship. What is the one thing about the case that you just can't get over? Right. Like what's one thing about the case that keeps you up at night that has you believing like there's something else going on? What's going on here? So if we're talking about just the facts of the case, the thing that everything fell apart instantly was when they said that his neck stopped a 30-06 bullet. That's so it's so crazy that we shouldn't be required to have to argue it. It's so it's from 150 feet away. It's it's just nutty. Yeah, I think that's most I think that to me that was most people's like this is a red flag. Something's not right. Yeah. And then I would say on the broader aspect. Of the case, the personality surrounding it is the lack of transparency from the organization that's now run by his wife. Like that's kind of people are learning things about what he was going through in his last days from me, Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson. And it just seems that the organization has done a complete 180 from what he was going through. And so that would be the most alarming, I guess, social aspects of the case is what's happening. And obviously, last week, the UVU finally released the independent review. And that's Utah Valley University. Yeah. So for a year, they outsourced the Lake Forest group to go through the see what went wrong that day. And so we have been told from his wife, from people that all of these things happen because UVU did this. Brian Harple went on Sean Ryan and said the rooftops weren't covered because of the chief of police. And here's the text message. And then what it exposed was that they were they were lying about everything. And so that that's the reason why they've just been attacking me all week is because the UVU review independent review came out and everyone should read it. Like I always say, don't ever take my word for stuff like I'm telling you what is in it. But you should also go independently look at it because it's it's shocking of, you know, they were the ones Turning Point USA demanded that he be outside. And the university said, we don't recommend this. You shouldn't. You know, this is not a good place. Is that true? Yeah. It's 100 percent true. Why did they want him to be outside? They claimed that it was because Charlie loved the amphitheater set up. And I don't doubt he liked the amphitheater set up. But I think when we now learned that the night before he was worried he was going to be killed. Like and if you you were saying we you should not do this and they're forcing it before they even knew what the event was going to be. Their main thing was it has to be outside in the amphitheater. I don't think Charlie was ride or die amphitheater. I've done UVU. With him. We didn't do it in the amphitheater. Hold that up. Can you find something specific about that, Trevin? You could find it in the UVU independent review and you could just search it. Courtyard is what they call it. And throughout the courtyard. And so when you realize that the insistence was coming from Turning Point USA and they tried to play it the opposite, then they dedicate two pages to just debunking everything Brian Harpole said on the Sean Ryan episode. And most crucially, you report does. But it's and this report is not theirs. It's an independent outside group that sits in Chicago, Illinois. So do you believe that this report is reliable or not reliable? They everyone participated from the feds, the local police, UVU. The only people that didn't participate was Turning Point USA. So they had to go off of Turning Point's public statements. And like they went off of Brian Harpole's interview with Sean Ryan. And Brian Harpole is the security, one of the 13 security members that were there that day. I saw one Sean Ryan interview you were talking about. And so he kind of got out in front of it and said all of these things like we he said the opposite. He said that they told us the event has to be here. Then we find out and they put in text messages, emails and talked like they there's it's not like they're just saying trust us, bro. Got it. It took a year. The outdoor location insisted upon by TPUSA for their event created significant protective operation considerations. The speaking area was located in an open access campus environment surrounded by buildings, elevated space, pedestrian routes and multiple vantage points. UVU UVU personnel recognized and responded to some of these concerns, including the Hall of Flags outdoor pedestrian walkway above the speaking location. However, the planning process did not include a documented line of sight assessment. So they had emails and then we learned that it was Turning Point headquarters that requested this event to happen, which was a major question that we had who requested this event so like late in the day, a couple of weeks before when that's not how these events typically come together and it turned out it was Turning Point headquarters, not even the student the student chapter didn't say, Hey, can we have charging stations? Charlie, they were like, you're getting Charlie. And so call the school and see if that and you know, so we did the so turning point approach the school about him being there. Yeah, they wanted the school typically because, you know, I used to work for them, the students request, they'd say what speakers they want to have for sure. And so then they they're making a request to headquarters like I want Candace, I want Charlie, I want whoever's on the roster and they try to make it happen for them because obviously we can't do every school and they it's kind of like a reward system. How did you know how well did your chat to perform this time? Uniquely, headquarters reached out to the student chapter, and they put the guy's email in there because he's like, my field director just reached out to me, they're being vague, but they want the courtyard, is it available? Got it. So that's a big problem. But wouldn't Charlie have had something to do with that? Like saying this is what I want. Like, was he part of TPS Turning Point headquarters? I can just tell you my experience working there is like they the students give all the requests, there's a meeting about what events you want to do. Sure. Charlie would say, like, I really want to do like, the big ones, the big three, like Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA, we did those, because you know, they're going to be like really fun events, this, but those kids, they cannot come together as quickly as the point because they you're fighting with the administration, they don't want you there as a conservative on campus, they want to make sure things are safe, they make, you know, all of these specifications, they can only be this many people. And so to be gluten free. Yes. So people were wondering also why there was no ambulance on standby. Well, it turns out this very this. This report reveals that the president was like headquarters basically filled out the form, they told them there was only going to be 600 people, and they ticked no on needing an ambulance. No way. So every single security measure. That seems like a crazy thing to put. Yeah. That seems crazy to put that. Why would you say, would you say yes in the ambulance in general? What if there's seven people around? Dude, if I'm even swimming with two of my friends, I will have somebody around. If it's an option. Yeah. Right. If it's an option, and I was saying that I had never done an event where there wasn't. An ambulance on standby and, and I worked with them for years. So all of these things, and if they had been forthcoming, if they had been not gaslighting us for a year, if they had been like, we reviewed our product, if turning point USA came out and was like, we made so many mistakes, you know, we actually were the ones who told them not to have an ambulance instead. They were like on a high, mighty horse, like high on our own supply. UVU did this, the police chief. And it turns out the police chief of UVU is the hero of this. He kept being. He was the one that said, oh, we're going to need more people. There's actually on your show. No, he hasn't spoken to anybody, but they try, they basically tried to blame this guy for a year. And he was the only person that seemed concerned about Charlie safety. They never, he tried to meet up with them on the day of the event. They never did a walkthrough. For the September 10th TPSA event, the director of emergency management and safety assigned to UVU emergency medical services, personnel, both were EMT technicians trained to provide pre-hospital emergency medical care before patients reach a hospital EMTs made deliver non-invasive life-saving interventions and help stabilize patients during emergencies. Yeah. It's elsewhere where they talk about the forms and they checked off. No, it is important to note that the EMTs could not transport patients, including Charlie Kirk to the hospital. No ambulance was staged on site for the September 10th. Yeah. But it tells you elsewhere why there was no ambulance. And it was basically like, once you book the event, then there's a form that they send you. And the person who was the student chapter head, didn't get it done. He did, but they said no. So it's like you, why would, why are you telling the public like you're some victim of what UVU did when you guys were the authors of it? And they also control ticketing. So UVU, when they say, oh, it was understaffed, they never, when the police officer on September 3rd asked them how many people are coming, they never told them numbers. But they knew how many. They were the only one, they were, headquarters was in control. But you said UVU was in charge of ticketing. No, they weren't. Oh, they weren't. Turning Point USA requested to being, they did not want to use the university's ticketing system. I mean, it's a damning report. I mean, you have to read it. It's crazy. And it really shows you how manipulative they've been over the last year in their communications to the media saying that they want answers, not part. Why would they not give me one reason they would not participate in this? Like in the beginning, it lists everyone that participated from the feds to the local police, to the EMS. I mean, these people are giving their text messages, their emails, allowing them to investigate for an entire year. What went wrong? There is no reason in my mind that they would not participate in this unless they knew that their hands weren't clean. And I saw one person trying to say, well, it's because there's a pending suit. This is not about Tyler Robinson. This is about the lead up to the event and what safety measures were taken and what went wrong and why the ambulance was not on standby. This has nothing to do with them going into the forensics of Charlie Kirk being shot or what happened. TPUSA preferred to hold the event in the Fountain Courtyard and use its own ticketing system rather than the university system. Those decisions placed the event in an area that was more difficult to control and limited UVU's availability to obtain reliable real-time information regarding anticipated attendance and crowd size. UVU should have retained decision-making authority over key security-related issues, including venue selection, ticketing, access control, and other conditions necessary to support campus safety. It's unfortunate, too, that mostly for this university, because this is probably a university that's just trying to, you know, just trying to grow itself and, you know, keep it together. It's a place that obviously a lot of people come to that wanted to hear a speaker and be a part of something. Yeah, and they were told there was going to be 600 people. Turning Point never updated the numbers, and then there's 3,000. They wouldn't give them access to the tickets, and the police officer was asking these questions on September 3rd, and Dan Flood said he didn't know how many people were going to go be there, and that Turning Point headquarters controlled it. Who's another good source outside of yourself to talk, to discuss, like go through a lot of this stuff with, do you think? I, you mean like just independent investigators or people, I feel like the only sources are people that are investigating this independently because it feels like we've just been, the Department of War has been protecting this narrative and lying to everybody, and the journalists have been so dishonest in everything, but I really love the work of, appreciate the work of Baron Coleman, and he's done fantastic work looking into different areas of the case. There are so many YouTubers that have just done fantastic work. I mean, from being on the ground, pulling the warrants, seeing what happened that day, and it's crazy that we would expect for Charlie's wife, who is at the helm of this massive organization, that she would dedicate an entire department to doing this. Right. And nothing. Wanted to accept the narrative 10 days later, was back in the office, and everyone needs to move on. In fact, explicitly, their team members, which I haven't shown the. So TPSA doesn't have their own private investigation going on? No. They accept the narrative fully. Do you think Tyler Robinson did it? I do not believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. Do I believe that he was a part of some broader thing that was going on that day? Was he around the campus? Yes. Could he potentially be guilty of, you know, the charge of hiding clothes, which people said that he was at the Dairy Queen doing that? Absolutely. Concealing evidence and things of that nature? Absolutely do not. He's not the person on the rooftop. Nobody shot Charlie. Charlie from the rooftop of Losey is where I'm at. And so I look into alternative theories of whether or not Charlie was hit closer by, whether or not it was on him, and something explosive went off. That makes more sense to me, based on the injuries that Charlie has, and the impossibility, and how quickly they tried to hide the footage behind Charlie's head, which would have shown the public that the bullet didn't go through. Well, so bizarre that immediately they went and took those cameras, took the cards out of those cameras. Yeah. And specifically, the one behind his head. And that's why, because I believe they were going to tell the public that the bullet went through, because they were going to go with 30 out of 6 narrative. And then along came Candace, and I'm the one that revealed that it didn't. And that's why they have so much animosity toward me, because from that point on, they couldn't control the narrative, because you were asking people to believe the impossible. You're like, pigs fly, that's it. And they can't prove that. So I, to them, represent the complete unraveling of the narrative that would have been fine, and people would have believed that the bullet went through. And now they have to say that bullets do weird things, and that necks do weird things. Right. And people are saying, yeah, bullets do crazy stuff. They'll stop by their girl's house on the way to wherever they're going. You're like, what the fuck? What is even happening? This is a 30 out of 6 or 100 for the yards. It's into a neck of all places. Maybe you could get there if he got shot in the sternum or a neck. Come on, man. I want to read this theory. This is the one that, to me, that stood out the most. The exploding microphone theory is an unfounded conspiracy claim suggesting that conservative activist Charlie Kirk was killed by an explosive device attached to his microphone rather than by a gunshot. If you looked at what there's more evidence of, is that something was on Charlie and hit him, and he was hunched over and hit him right in the neck, and it actually created a shallow wound, but it hit his artery, obviously exploded. We then presented the evidence, which was never supposed to be seen, of what the car looked like. And you see just, what looks like black shards all over. And so that's. So you're saying that, yeah, can you get me this, Trevin? Okay, thank you so much. It should be just a simple, like, it's a road, R-O-D-E, exploding microphone theory. But again, going back to our point about Google, like, this shouldn't be hard. It's a pretty big theory that's out there, but they're just like, this is not true. This did not happen. That is the reason why they put that AI overview, because that's the state's narrative. Do you think that this could be the reason, not Charlie Kirk specifically, but just overall, that's why AI is so important so fast right now, because they need to be able to have a complete control over the information. It's a deleting of all old information, anything that's not written in a book, anything that's not entered into AI's won't even be able to be usable or searchable anymore. So imagine they're kind of doing what was done, like in Cuba, like. They'll just delete a file. Right. Once it's out, it's gone forever. So they're kind of like, and then that kind of locks you in to this whole new space of information. And once you start to only able to search for, then that's where you'll be stuck forever. Like once they can delete the past and all you have is this fictional narrative of like, of this current or semi-past, we're going to be like, that's what they did. A never ending present. That's what they did in Cuba. They got rid of all the books in the forties. That's what they're doing in Gaza. Yeah. They're just getting rid of history. That's what we're doing in the Middle East, just destroying ancient, ancient, um, this is getting rid of history. They want a world where they can control and we're going to live in an ever present. That's, yeah, that's, it's dystopian, but that's where, that's what they want. But I think it's now being stopped because people are aware of it and having the conversation of what's going on right now. Why don't I recognize Google? Like it used to just be able to Google that. And then the first thing that would have popped up would have been John Bray's video describing the theory because that's the thing people have watched the most and people, this is a big theory. So that should be if algorithms are fair at the top. Instead, they give you the AI model, which scrapes the mainstream media, which is controlled by the state apparatus. And they give you, this is a debunked Brigitte McCormick. This is a debunked debunked. Yeah. Ain't no wiener here. Everything's debunked. And so you're just getting the department of wars narrative. Uh, and so you have to know how to research. And this is why they, they're trying to get a handle on podcasting because it's disrupted the state media. And you know, I guess you could say the monopoly of the state media had on ideas and it's because what they're saying doesn't make sense. I mean, how many times, and in part, by the way, the reason why we got here, was because they overplayed their hand during COVID. So people don't trust the mainstream media. Yeah. You don't get to do that twice. You don't get to now then do COVID and then try to Charlie, like Charlie Kirk us too. Like you don't go COVID to Charlie and then be like, start repeating the social distancing, save lives, you know, save, wear a mask, save lives. And they're like 30 odd six can do strange things. And it's like 30 odds not working this time. Some of the bullets will do backflips now. It's like these new, like kind of like Jamaican bullets and they'll backflip on the way to the destination. And you're like, what? It's a fucking bullet. They're like, no, it's a new Jamaican bullet, man. It'll gamble on the way to the destination. And then also common sense with the Tyler Roberts and stuff is like, people generally don't do nothing and then do murder and jump off of building. First off, jumping off of a building, it takes some guts. Just try what it takes to jump like the first time, just go without looking down, seeing if you can. Oh yeah. If I even get on third step on my step stool, I get a little bit nervous. Right. Pull it up. See how far that jump was, but leave this up. I want to leave, I want to read this road, a this road theory real quick. Do you have that road? Mike theory. It alleges that the wireless microphone transmitter on his shirt, often identified online as a Rode Wireless Pro, contained a small explosive or shaped charge rather than Kirk being killed by a rifle shot. Right. And to be clear, I'm not saying Rode did this. Someone tampered with their mic. And wasn't there wasn't there a connection to Tennessee because they had allegedly. Yeah, so I have never covered that because there was this sort of mysterious explosion of an AES plant, which did manufacture the like, yeah, accurate energetic systems was the name of it. The online theory of this Tennessee manufacturer connection is says that if Charlie Kirk's apparent Rode Wireless Pro unit had been weaponized, the explosive component could have originated from AES because AES makes specialized energetic products. AES is acute energy. Energetic systems, which is based in Bucksnort, Humphreys County, Tennessee. The more elaborate version specifically claim AES had a contract involving miniaturized anti-personnel. And they did. There was a there was a contract that was shown to make a small explosive. And so people have covered that. And then this it just exploded the whole thing. What was October 10th? Right. And then that whole facility where some people allege that the microphone that was that are the rigged microphone. The rigged microphone was it then points to a deadly AES facility explosion. So this place one month after Charlie Kirk was killed, this whole place blew up as supposed evidence of a cover up or destruction of records. Yes. And everyone died. I think there was only two people that survived that were in that particular. I mean, there was multiple. It's Halloween. I never covered this because I always wait until their piece of information where somebody who I don't know, maybe a family member of somebody. Who worked there, but they definitely they contracted with the army. And so it definitely was weird. It was weird. The timing of it was weird. But a lot of people have looked into this and said, what's going on here? And again, when everyone around the situation is just accepting the narrative immediately, 10 days after with no questions and wanting to move on. That's not that. Obviously, the public is going to sniff that out and go, this is not normal. We have questions. So how do you not have questions? Right. Like, yeah, there's nobody to ask our questions anymore. They're just like, that's it. It's it's really sad. He's gone forever. We're going to do this big memorial and we're going to be really happy and we're going to be dressed up. We're going to celebrate and then we're going to move on. And his wife has the company. If you ask any more questions, you should be in prison. You should be locked up. You should be sued for defamation. That's not going to sit well with the public. Yeah. And so they've kind of they sort of come undone because people are still asking questions. Yeah. And this is right here on September 23rd. A.E.S. received a hundred and twenty million dollar firm fixed price contract from Army Contracting Command, Rock Island, for the procurement of TNT. Some people are saying that some of this order could have had that some of that funding would have been part of that. That funding could have been connected there somehow. The what what is I mean, it's it's Halloween. I'm McCrone's wiener. Oh, I'm the ghost of Charlie Kirk. I what is oh, here's the guy jumping off this building. I just feel like if you if you're not like the first time, you just kind of would have some you'd be a little more concerned, you know, like, am I going to make this jump sort of a thing? Never been to this campus before. That's a pretty big jump. It's pretty big. Was he an athletic guy, though? No. No. Huh. Thin guy, Fisher. And was he a legend? Was he allegedly a homosexual fella or not? Yes. A lot of gay dudes can jump pretty far now. I mean, I did. Yes. I just say yes to that. Times are different. You got a damn. Bro, you got a damn. Yes. You have a. Yeah, I know gay dudes jump damn six feet, seven feet. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25 percent off grocery store prices. Beef. Jerky. Microwave meals. Laundry pods. Even they can't screw up. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's dot com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's. Home of the save. What is the strongest piece of evidence that supports that Tyler Robinson did this? So that everything isn't. The state's strongest piece of evidence is. The text, the alleged text messages between him and his lover. And I find that not to be compelling because his lover's testimony was prerecorded in a way that they would never allow, you know, that it to play out. Like it's only because there was this basically hearsay clause that they could just use hearsay. They could not ask him any questions back. You know, the defense couldn't like question him at all. And so he just recorded his testimony and said, these are the messages where he fully confessed to the crime. That seems suspect to me. I don't care if you're a drug dealer. You're selling like a gram of pot. You're not going to fully text a full confession. I did it. Here's when, why, how it was. I mean, totally crazy that you would try to get away with it, but then also Texas full confession. And then Lance, that's who his lover is. Or his boyfriend was, is granted immunity for this testimony. So that means he can say whatever he wants and he can't be liable by the courts. Why, why does he, why does he need to use immunity? Yeah. Why would you, why, why does that matter? But why could it matter? Look at, let's look at it from the other side. It could matter because he could need immunity because. Because maybe they would, what, think that. No, the story is he just did this randomly. Lance had no idea. So if, if, if he was implicated in some way of like, I gave him the, nope. Lance says he slept through the whole thing. Slept through the whole thing. Had no idea he was going to do it. Dude, if a, I know this. I have some gay family members and pretty, or semi-gay or whatever. And they, I know this. If my, if, if one guy is out there shooting somebody or something, the other guy is going to be up. I'm milling around, having a Celsius. No, he says he slept through everything. By the window, clutching his chest or whatever. Even when he found out when he got these messages, he was just, why did you do it? It's so staged. It's like every single answer. Yeah. And that was also the problem. It's like, it's not like he said one thing like, hey, need to see you. Let's meet up. And then he tells a story that like when they met up, he told him what he did in person. It's like, people don't believe this. Like who texts every layer of a confession? Here's where I did. Here's how I did it. Here's what I was wearing. It just feels very set up. Here's what I was wearing is what. A gay dude would text to his buddy though. Like I was wearing this or whatever. I think he did say in the messages that he changed or whatever. Like never shooting somebody again. I changed outfits. It's like exactly what the federal was like. Hey, we're going to have to, these are all the holes. Can you just put this in the message sort of a thing? Zoom in on it. Let me see. Give us your motive. You know, it's like, it's like, it's like every single piece of it is right there. Give us your motive. Some hate just can't be negotiated. Uh, shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still to be honest. I had hoped to keep this secret till I. Died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. You want the one who did it, right? You weren't the one who did it, right? I am. I'm sorry. Oh, that's very sense and sensibility. Isn't it? Like I loved him as he loved me or whatever, you know, that's very, uh, William Bronte or whatever that guy's name is. Why run? If you're just going to test a text, a whole confession, why run? Right. Why run? What are you running from? Why are you a dairy queen? You think you weren't going to get caught writing an entire novel describing where you were, how you did it, what you were wearing. How you changed the clothes. I'll never shoot someone again in a Givenchy jacket or whatever. Even down to the outfit. He's discussing it. And so when people saw the messages. These sandals do not go with murder. I'll tell you that. I'm waiting just around the corner trying to grab my rifle. Is that what he says? No, they grabbed some crazy old dude. I'm then interrogated in someone's similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. He's not writing all this. The drop point. I mean, just common sense. The drop point to most gay dudes is a place to buy a little bag, maybe in some poppers so you and your buddy can get wicked or whatever. It sounds like a cop is writing them. It's like, okay, what do we need now? Motive. Right. What do we need? Drop point. Oh, what do we need? Like, we need all coverage so that the public cannot ask any questions. Why'd you do it? Who? What? When? Where? Why? How? Yeah. And then he just writes it. Writes it all. And so these messages didn't register as real. This is there. This is the state's strongest piece of evidence that he did it. And then his buddy. First of all. I'll say this. His boyfriend doesn't really give a fuck. Like, he's over here ranting. That's the other thing. I just told you that I killed someone. Right. And his buddy's like, who else knows or whatever. Stay safe, he says. I wouldn't even answer because I wouldn't want to be implicated, first off. First of all. I'm not answering. You're right. Yeah. Even if my best friend text me, I just murdered somebody, I would be like. Phone off. Yeah. Didn't receive it. I'd be like, oh, fuck. Hold on a second. I got another call or something like that. I would do something. I'm not even texting back. Yeah. Because I'm just like. I'm not texting back. I would do this one. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And that is it. Maybe two of those. There's no way I'm texting back. Common sense to me says, I don't know what this, but I'm going to find another friend to talk about it. He texts me. This is crazy. Like, I'm not. I'm not being like, stay safe. Or I love you, Morsi's mwah, mwah, mwah. Mwah, mwah, mwah. Okay. That is. What are we talking about? Mwah, mwah, mwah. What? Mwah, mwah, mwah. Drop what you're doing. Look under the keyboard. And they said he hand wrote a confession, but then he burned it. Or somebody burned it. Drop what you were doing. Look under my keyboard or whatever. And that could be a euphemism too. And that's a full letter that he allegedly wrote and said, I did this. But then he burned it. But then he also then wrote it in a text. text, so why write the letter? I mean, the whole thing just doesn't make any sense. Right. Why did have you had Lance on the boyfriend? Lance is protected by the feds immediately. He has federal protection, witness protection. But you can't find him, do you think? No. I mean, people know where he is. They know that he's in Texas. But he's just, he's I think he's the person who was much more involved in this. Oh, you think so? So you think Lance got to Tyler early and somehow even was able to help him get in a position to be set up to where he is? Yes, because he would have access to all this stuff. They're roommates, so you could get his stuff, drop it wherever. Is there a picture of Lance anywhere? Yeah. Dude, that's crazy Candace. What if that's it? I do. That's my sense is that Lance is, and I think generally he's much more involved. Lance is CIA? I think he's blackmailed. He was, you know, troubled kid. He's kind of the personality you're looking for. Like troubled kid and like into the furry community which is like you create an avatar of yourself. So there's some dissociative personality definitely got in a lot of trouble, was passed around from his family members, volatile, you know, was addicted to drugs, was into weird internet stuff. Like he's if I'm CSI, this is the person, the profile of the individual that we'd be looking for. And you know, there's a whole blackmail system. So if you're on doing weird stuff on the internet. That's him? Yes. That's Lance? I mean, what is even fucking going on? And what is he wearing that car? It's like a furry? That's a furry thing? Mm hmm. Oh, they just said he's ever been on airplanes a lot. This is unbelievable, dude. Mm hmm. What is can we get any other pictures? And do we even know his last name? That's him in the court hearing, like the pre recorded testimony, which they the defense was allowed to ask many questions because it was a preliminary hearing. So this looks like a show. It feels like a show. What are the side effects of Oh, the Lance twigs. So that's him too. And now he's out. Now he's on Survivor. No, what's yeah, I think that's just an old picture of him. Which Servat, which team was he on? Shooters twank or whatever. Was he team shooters twank? What is even fucking happening? It's weird. It's very weird. So it's Halloween. So it's all just attack Candace for not accepting, you know, ruining the narrative, I guess is what it was supposed to. I ruined the narrative. So by like by sharing, like bringing to this narrative to light, right? That like people think that something else happened. I do believe that people think something else happened, right? Because it seems so usually if there's a shooter of somebody, that's a big thing. The court case is a huge thing where you're seeing all of it and you're like they're like trying to get like information from the guy and everything. And it doesn't none of that's even happening. It's almost like it's just disappeared completely. Well, it's the actual hearing has now has to start. So they had the preliminary hearing, which basically is just probative. And they say, well, we have enough evidence to move it forward. And so now the trial of Tyler Robinson will begin. And will you be able to go to the trial? I'm not going there. I'm not good. There's no chance I'm going to Utah. I will follow it. I will watch it live. I will do what I do. Take notes like I did with the preliminary hearing. You look nice in there. I think there's some weird dark arts happening in Utah. Oh, yeah, dude. I'll tell you there is because I took an electric bike. My brother lives there and I e-biked about two miles from his house and saw some stuff. But what's like the two minute version of like, what do you think happened to Charlie Kerr? I think Charlie was taken out by the deep state and it was because of his shifting views on Israel. You do? Yeah, that's my opinion. And do you think his like turning point USA people knew that? I think it's hard given everything that we now know a year on and the way like again their lack of engagement and also blatant lies like Brian Harpole told it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where no one in that organization knew or peripheral to the organization. It's hard for me to imagine that you'd have to have an insider kind of I think so because otherwise why not be instantly forthcoming? I mean again, I'm speaking to common common sense here. But yeah, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. So when people if you said Candace, what were you doing on September 10th? Here's my whole phone. I was I was sitting at the table with the team. We were working on the show. Savannah came downstairs and told us that Charlie had been shot and then we stopped every, you know, so I can't imagine a scenario where they try to go well because the hearings, you know, the hearings going on. That's why and people can't be forthcoming. What would the truth? How could that impact the hearing negatively? Either this person did or we didn't, right? So if you have Candace Owens' text messages from that day at that time and I say, well, I'm not giving them to you because it could, you know, potentially put the case at risk. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. How could I put it at risk? It's going to introduce a fact that means that Tyler Robinson's innocent. So for me, I everything that he was going through, the way they even lied about that, the Israel shift, and I just feel like people only lie when they have something to hide. I do not think everybody around him has their hands clean. And I think, again, that's largely I've been vindicated on that opinion with just the UVU independent review. Like, Brian Harpel, what's up, man? Why did he lie, do you think, if he lied? I don't know. Why is he suing me? Is he suing you? Yeah. And he's saying that you fabricate, just that. I mean, there's a bunch of claims, but among it, he stated that, I said that I found his interview with Sean Ryan to be unconvincing and that he lied. Well, now you have a whole independent review that says you lied, you have the UVU police chief that says you lied, that you misrepresented the text message, that you weren't even involved in the text message that you presented. So, what are we supposed to think? He got confused? I wonder why he would, if he did that, why would he do that, I wonder? Why would you go on Sean Ryan, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, and think that you're not eventually gonna get exposed for misrepresenting things? Did Sean think that he lied? Or did Sean think he seemed like a believable guy? I think Sean just thought this is a big case, that he wants to talk about it, and he just sat there and let him talk, and I'm glad he did. I'm glad he did, because. But it seems wild, if you didn't want to, why even go say anything? I don't know. Like, if you don't believe what you're saying, but maybe UVU's report is wrong, do you think it could be? I think there's some, no, I don't think that report could be wrong, because they, again, it was an investigation, so they describe in the beginning what they did, how many hours went into this, sitting down, interviewing, reviewing the messages. Who was the outside group that did it? Lake Forest Group. We gotta get you out of here soon. Um, Lake Forest Group? Mm-hmm. Illinois. Lake Forest Group law firm Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber, and Schreck. Ooh, donkey. Conducted by a consortium of independent experts, including the Lake Forest Group, and then that law firm as well. Who owns Lake Forest Group, I wonder? Just curious to see who they are. I think it's, like, Bain Capital, actually, or something. Bain. Not totally positive, though. I mean, everything fucking. Bain Capital is doing the Charlie's Curve. It's all this crazy thing. Michael Verdin. Verdin. You never know. I mean, it's, uh. It's all interesting. Oh, 21 years as a U.S. Secret Special Service agent. Wonder if he'd be an interesting guest to talk about that stuff with. Hmm. So it's, yeah, and so, like, again, why wouldn't they participate in this review? These are the questions that people have. Why wouldn't Turning Point USA? Yeah. Yeah. You have nothing to hide. Just be like, "Look, I'm a big fan of Charlie's Curve. And I would've instantly gotten in front of it and been, "Here's some things that we did wrong." There's a level of arrogance at the organization, too, that I think is making people sick. Do you think that they're happy that Charlie's out of. Like, that's a crazy question to say. Do you. Do they look happy at the memorial? Yeah. It's kind of crazy. That's a fair statement. Some of these are fair. Some of what they've done has been kind of crazy, you would say? Absolutely. I mean, they look happy in some of these instances? Yeah. They seem mad now. Because I feel like the public has turned on them. But, like, right after the assassination, they were very bizarrely happy. But do they still have a huge following? I was conf. Like, how big's the following that it's, like. No, it's collapsed. Oh, it has? Because people. Are curious what's going on. It seems odd. Yeah. People know when something's not authentic. And I think they are blaming me for that. And it's like, "No, guys. We asked you really basic questions. The whole world was on your side, myself included. No one could've imagined a scenario where this organization would collapse within a year." Yeah. And it's because of their own arrogance. And now they're. They think that they. You know, we're friends with Kash Patel. We're friends with Harmeet Dhillon and the president. And that should be enough. You know, we got. We're with the president now. It's obviously not enough. You need to be forthcoming with information. You need to be. Um, how about exercising some humility? Saying what you did wrong off the bat would've gone a long way. And. They're not even speaking about it at all. They don't care. They're just like, "We've got power. We are the state now." That's the vibe. That's the vibe, right? From TPUSA? Mm-hmm. Call my friend Vance if you have a. You know, if you have a question. And then. J.D. Vance, you mean? Shame on you guys for not believing Erica's emotions. Like, we're just kind of getting, like, the wagging finger all the time as opposed to answers that make sense. Well, you met up with her right after it happened, didn't you? Not right after, but about four months later. Sorry. And that's when I changed my perspective. Like, my perspective on talking about her and going after her, just because she was then doing the public rounds and she was telling lies like she initially said or you could say she didn't know but she said i have his phone and he was not worried the night before and now that story has been debunked and she hasn't come out to clarify or apologize exercise some humility yeah you know actually canis was right that the night before he was texting people concerns that's the arrogance that i think makes people sick is that you send out all of these bots and people to attack me and to attack my family uh you know to create narrative after narrative about george and candace because you don't want to tell the truth then the truth comes out and your response to it is to attack us again for being right that's that's that's not gonna it's not boding well for them but they're not trying anything different so do are they suing you or no no turning point was not yet i mean are you in any lawsuits against other people no i don't i i just tell the truth i'm not suing anybody you know lawfare is not like thinking i'm gonna crush you i'm gonna bankrupt you tell the truth the truth is enough man just candace said this okay actually here's reality that should that should be enough but when you don't have an answer to the truth that's the route you go i'll bankrupt you i'll destroy you i have lawyers in high places i have the president on my side i can get him to tweet that you're the most vile person of the year that's the mentality it's capital yeah it's like it's kind of just a dark side of somebody having so much capital they could just keep suing you keep making you go to court things yeah um what what do you think did so like with charlie kirk and specific specifically there's so much information around it you've done so much research um is does any of it is there any way that the research helps affect anything in the actual case or do you think this is just for public knowledge kind of i think for sure some of the things that we brought forward that call into question the timeline uh was he in pangwich but like will his defense attorneys use any of this stuff like now they have to start looking at all that stuff so that before it was too early for them to use it because this is the prosecution oh got it and they're basically saying to the court systems we have enough probative evidence that this case should move forward and you can do that with just hearsay now you're moving to the trial so their initial job of the defense is to just get as many charges dropped and you're basically just saying to the the court at that time the state should drop this because of existing laws on the books you know they didn't fulfill this didn't fulfill that they did this wrongly whatever um they're not making an argument they're not actually defending tyler robinson yet now that the state said no there's enough evidence to at least move it forward now they have to go out do the research and issue a defense of tyler robinson and i would strongly suspect that a lot of the things that we have presented and discovered will be um used or come out naturally of course and in the course of things it will that's their job i mean if they're if you're a defense attorney your job isn't to just like follow people's ideas i mean i don't i don't know if they're going to explore um alternative theories but they're definitely going to have to get into the timeline where he actually was um if there were other people that were involved other people that could have been is this tyler robinson on camera or is this somebody else right so we'll see a lot of that well it's a weird place existence um real quick before you go uh peter teal speaking in town you know this did you hear about this yes he's been doing some weird stuff yeah what about the antichrist did you think about because there's part of me was like let me go see what this is just to even see what's going on but then i was like i don't know if i even want to be around that energy part of me also was like let me see if he would podcast just to talk like say hey everybody thinks you're like the scariest guy or like or i don't know it's like do you if you think somebody is is like devious do you talk to them like do you talk to them like do you talk to them to ask them what's going on like what is your school i feel like yeah i think you should just ask him if he's the antichrist peter teal draws hundreds downtown for antichrist this has been he's been on this for years just so you know hundreds going across the the world oh i didn't know that yes he's obsessed with the antichrist a big part of why i'm doing this series is because i believe it is dangerous to focus on just one risk there's one existential risk that nobody seems to want to discuss which i would like to add to the list if we're going to enumerate existential risks and that is the risk of a totalitarian one world government but why are you saying you're part helping us talk about the risks if it seems like some of the stuff he's allegedly attached to would be the ones that would be the stuff leading us towards that's the point there's a conflict of interest here and that would be a great reason why you should interview him and ask him and even them teal's host on masonic lodge opened the evening by distancing itself from the content of its talks it's like it's just a lot of happening i saw it and i was going what on earth again we're at that inflection point we just are just what scope like it's it's too much well look what it says here hunt described nashville davis hunt uh a conservative activist at vexenblogger described nashville as one of the last remaining regions in the western world with authentic christian beliefs where it still thrives huh um when's that baby when's that baby popping hopefully today you're lying i don't know the baby you don't get to like to have the baby doesn't tell you shorty cook man you gotta get shorty get shorty to cook fast getting one of those red light therapy things what you think that'll make the baby come out yeah are you kidding no have you had a baby using red light therapy no but imagine that thing dude that thing is gonna have nice skin for two thousand years do you use it i don't use it but i'm thinking about getting one okay i don't have one i've never done the red light thing i know that's like taking off but but you already you guys are are you talking about like wait which red light you're talking about when people just put on their face or are you talking about the full thing they have a whole bed they have they do have the face i've never done the bed one i thought that you were talking about the bed one seems kind of cool i mean or yeah or even just one of them a lot of people are just like putting it there's even leggings now that allegedly have it there's like all kind of bullshit i mean look at this lady what pocket of the internet leggings red light therapy those red light leggings or whatever never heard of it it's supposed to keep your knees from sagging or whatever i'm like who the fuck's knees are sagging and who gives a shit yeah just sit down if you bend your leg your knee doesn't sag um but yeah people are just bonkers um but yeah people are just bonkers um but yeah people are just bonkers but yeah i just didn't know are y'all using any so like does will george massage your stomach at night are you guys doing anything to try to get the baby out like is there any like nah they just come whenever they're ready you know yeah something you could really it's like it's ready or it's not it's like putting a chicken in the oven it's either cooked or it's not yeah do you gotta get cooked do you feel i have i feel like i have an oven that runs a little cold like some some women always have kids like 36 weeks i'm like man your oven runs hot so lucky mine's like a little bit like right on time or like a little cold and i'm just not okay with that right now so i'm hoping that i'm doing whatever what i'm doing is i'm doing your podcast and then i'm gonna go do tim dylan's podcast and then i'll be expecting results tim dylan is the bad there's nobody like it right there's nobody more entertaining than him right now he's so funny he's just so funny he gets away with it yeah he's just exceptional he really is and he does it he just he kind of does it all perfectly um uh will this be your last baby you don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know you don't know i don't know i'm catholic i say it's the last baby but you know i don't know catholics are crazy and if you and they're cute that's what's weird yeah right i feel like if you just had some kids that were like not adorable and funny then you'd be like okay let's just yeah it's not what's in it for me like yeah i agree um any uh any unique experiences while you've been pregnant you get weird dreams you get pregnancy dreams and they are on point like you get visions when you're pregnant i like that yeah women will tell you my if my sister's pregnant she says she had a dream about something i'm like uh-oh hopefully it's a good one bad one you definitely dream a lot more and that's because there's obviously some association between dreaming and hormones and whatever but that that is interesting you start to like i'm at the point now where i can almost see the future you know get some weird dreams i had a weird dream last night i can't remember what it was it'll come to me it was a very strange dream can you smell anything i used to know this lady because when she was pregnant she could smell copper she smelled copper real strong a lot of women have like super strength no unfortunately for me that doesn't never happens but you will get a whiff of something and be super nauseous that's for sure but uh yeah can you sleep fully you have to sleep on your stomach no it's exactly what you shouldn't do that's exactly what you shouldn't do it's the exact opposite of what you get to know you can't because you can you sleep on a ball nope can you sleep on a basketball theo no i don't know but i don't know what you guys are doing you know i'm saying i'm trying to think of what gets it to come out fast think about how you would look if you said like you're just like a bosu ball of a person but hey i'll tell you that thing will be out in a half hour it'll be out i'll tell you that for free it'll be out exactly is there any smell of something like can you smell a certain thing that would help like i'm just wondering if there's like some old wives tales have you looked at some of that probably of what of like how to get that oh you can induce labor with castor oil oh you can yeah i did it for louise no i evicted her she was sleeping the whole time she wasn't there for one appointment oh yeah and she was it was tennessee july she was overdue by a week i said goodbye girl bye no i walked outside one day and it was like the heat was violent you know how it gets down here and what do you just rub it on your belly no you just take it so i took um i took more than they even they suggested one tablespoon i think i did a fourth a cup yeah she flew out it was my best birth oh i like fantastic i told my doctor i was doing it i was like 'cause he knows I'm like crunchy in those ways. And so I don't like, do it, come take our medicine, our Pitocin, we'll do it. I'm like, no, best birth, one push, out, slip and slide, castor oil. Oh, God, I love that. Yeah, she was out, so she just got evicted. I tell her, I'm like, I promise with her, I would still be pregnant today. That's how she gets down. So she was the only kid that got evicted. Happy early Halloween. Thank you. And if anybody does do a Candace costume, please tag us so we can look it up faster. Oh, yeah, that's a good idea. I don't know what you're going to do. I feel like I'm so boring, but yeah. I mean, I would be pregnant. That's a good point. I think that's, yeah, be pregnant, be black. Yeah, do a darkish wig or see if you could get a hold of some darker skin. Go on to Farmer's Black. Darkened Farming. Darkened Farmer's. Darkened, I think it was Darkened Farming. Darkened Farming. Or as Mahogany Soil Goddesses, I think was another one. I got to look it up. Yeah. Thanks for hanging out, Candace. I appreciate you. You are so welcome. And give a hug to George for me. And I'll see y'all soon. See you soon. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take Oh, but when I reach that ground I can feel it in my bones I can feel it in my bones I can feel it in my bones Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college. Home of the save. Open soon. BJ's. CJ's Home of the Save.