#647 - Dr. Peter McCullough

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He's a professor. He was the vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center. He later became known for his investigations into the COVID-19 response here in America. We're looking forward to spending time with today's guest, Dr. Peter McCullough. ♪ Shine on me ♪ ♪ And I will find a song ♪ ♪ I've been singing since the dawn ♪ And you can move this any way you want. If you decide you're moving over here, you can just move the mic over there. - Well, I don't have the type of voice you have. Get that D voice. - We'll make sure, we'll let you know if it's off. - Okay. - Yeah, you're kind of that whisperer, huh? - Man, well. - You like to whisper? - I was recently in the UK, and this woman who's an actress got up, and everyone was shouting at the microphone, making their things, myself included. She got up, and she started whispering, and everyone paid attention. - Yeah, that's a whisper, and it's a lost art. - Yeah. - But really, the value, when everything is so high, you have to think that if you come in at another intonation, if you come in at another level, you have to find an alternate route. - Yeah. - And that's what we're trying to do. - Yeah. - I mean, we're trying to figure out how to get that out into people's brains and hearts and stuff. And yeah, whispering, gosh. If we had just like Whisper Tuesdays, where everybody just whispered. - There was a doctor at Stanford, back when I was accepted in academia. His name was Glenn Chertow. And when he spoke, it was so careful, and he talked like this. And I remember the sponsors of a big meeting. I was at the National Institutes of Health. And Glenn Chertow, he seems to be getting all the attention. They said, "He appears wise. He has the appearance of wisdom, the way he speaks." He may not be wise, but he appears wise. The other thing that helps you, that you and I don't have. Oh, he brought him up. There's Glenn right there. - There he is. Beautiful guy. - Yeah, good, good, good. Are we going to bring people up on the screen? - We can. - Oh, this is going to be so much fun. - Oh yeah. - But anyhow, the one thing that my uncle, Ivan, taught me is that you can double your perceived intelligence with a British accent. - Really? - Oh yeah. You get a British accent, they think you're twice as smart as you used to be. - Oh, that's so true. - Twice as smart. - I feel like, oh, if I meet a British girl, I'm like, oh, tell me everything. I feel like they just know everything. - Yes. - Read me a book, mom. - Have you ever read that book, "Culture Code"? - Oh, "Culture Code", no. - It's about what's your first impression? And he did focus groups. It's very scientific. It's not typically very solid. He said, when you meet a British person, what's the first word that comes into your mind? - G'day. Oh, wait, that's Australian. Oh, um. - You almost got it with that girl. Classy. - Classy. - So if you're going to advertise something to the, if you're going to advertise, British, you have to show somebody playing polo and it has to be classy. - Yes. Just finishing a biscuit, you know? - Right. So how about, how about Italian? What's the first thing you think about when you see it? - Hey, you know? The Italian, first thing, the Culture Code says artiste. So you have to, Michelangelo, you have to portray things artistic, what have you. How about American? Now, if you just do this globally, when you- - Like a belch, kind of? - Oh, close. America, the conclusion is out of this world. So you want to advertise an American, like, you know, landing on the moon or just doing something completely, you know, Elon Musk, you know, just jetting somewhere. - Yeah, just knocking up people and just blasting rockets into people and into space. - So Culture Code is a code of advertising. And what he said is if you break the code, if you try to advertise something that goes against what people are thinking, your product is going to bomb out. So what's the, what's the Culture Code word for nurse? Nurse, what's the first thing comes to your mind? - Helpful. - Close. Mother. So you always want to show a nurse holding a baby. - Yeah. - What's the Culture Code for doctor? - Information. - Hero. - Hero. - Hero. You know, hero, gonna save your life. This is, Culture Code was written, I think, in the eighties or nineties. - Yeah, because- - It's probably changed. Well, here's another one, fits for COVID. What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of hospital? - Safety. - Yeah. - Death trap. - Hmm. - Death trap. And he interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people, did these focus groups. - Culture Code. - Culture Code. It's a, it's a great book. It's a quick read and, and in your business, you'd want to, you'd want to, I guess, kind of be in tune with the code. - Yeah, I think there's some codes that you pick up on people they don't realize, you know? But yeah, no, I, I think that's interesting. Just people that are able to exist, examine that, like how people operate and how we perceive certain things. Um, and you're a guy that's kind of like, uh, I guess you, the way you've operated has kind of changed over the past few years. Maybe I know it's certainly like grown in perception, like your ability to reach people has grown. Um, you are a physician scientist. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And what exactly does that term mean? That means I practice medicine. Um, and you know, I see and examine patients every day, board certified in internal medicine and cardiology by the national board of physician and surgeons. So also a cardiologist and a cardiologist, but I'm also a scientist, meaning I, I evaluate, uh, new concepts. I, uh, uh, develop hypotheses. I use the scientific method and I, you know, if conduct studies, case reviews, literature, reviews, uh, analyze data, formulate an analysis, and then come up with opinions. And, and through that method, I'm one of the most published doctors in the world and certainly the most published in my field previously, which, which was heart and kidney disease. So, um, you know, I came into the pandemic, uh, locked and loaded in 2007. I had, uh, uh, testified before the, uh, congressional oversight panel for the FDA. Uh, I had lectured at the European medicine association, New York academy of sciences, uh, lectured widely at virtually every major medical school in the United States, uh, published seminal papers. But when the pandemic hit, what I saw within the first few months is no one was going to the problem. No one was, uh, you know, when there's a, a fire or a catastrophe and, uh, let's say, uh, 9-11 and the, the building is burning. Most people ran this way, but some of these first responders, they ran right into it. I found myself in the same mode at first few weeks. I said, well, surely Harvard will tell us what to do or the Mayo clinic or maybe the U S government. I mean, usually the government on medical things, is a laggard. They're not a leader. So if we had a new cancer problem, we wouldn't say, well, what does the government say? You know, the government is, is behind academia. Got it. Within a few months of being into the pandemic, I said, listen, uh, you know, I need to do my part. I know other doctors in the hospital doing their part. And, uh, I devised the first treatment protocol of how to treat high risk patients. We're talking elderly patients, patients with a heart disease, lung disease, kidney disease, uh, at home with very intensive therapies and oxygen at home to avoid too bad outcomes, hospitalization, and death. And that became copyrighted as the McCullough protocols published in the American journal of medicine in 2020. Immediately I was called before the U S Senate. I appeared November 19th, 2020. And, uh, so the association of American physician and surgeons, a leading doctor's group did pick up the McCullough protocol. It became It became standard of care, and the principles were used— It became standard of care when? Because it was— No, it became early standard of care in 2020 for high-risk patients. We immediately organized telemedicine units, and, you know, it was the McCullough Protocol that kept the hospitalizations down. Remember, there were projections that we were going to overrun our hospitals. Oh, yeah, there were, like, emailing people, like, do you have a place we can put bodies at your house or whatever? I had patients in their 90s with pacemakers and heart failure, and we got going early with the McCullough Protocol. We start with getting fresh air, nasal sprays and gargoyles, nutraceuticals. They all played small roles. Initially, the first year, we used hydroxychloroquine as our antiviral and antibiotics and other drugs. Second year, ivermectin. And then third year, we actually used—Paxlovid came in the third year, Molnupiravir. We used those drugs, but I have to tell you, the winner was ivermectin, for sure, for sure. But— But I think corticosteroids, prednisone played a huge role, an anti-inflammatory drug called colchicine we use widely today, and then antithrombotics. What was the McCullough Protocol? Like, what went into it? Like, what were you basically advocating for people? I was saying that if we got behind on this illness, it was becoming clear we can't start treating when people are sick enough to go in the hospital. They were—virtually every death occurred in the hospital. So McCullough Protocol said, there's two bad outcomes, hospitalization and death. And if we can treat up front and never go in the hospital, we'll get through the illness. Now, I did an artificial intelligence search recently, which is a great use of AI. And I asked AI, tell me what percent of the world's population contracted COVID. And it searched every single database and what have you. And, you know, the number it came up with was— It was 90%. Wow. Now, the pre-programmed bias that's still left in AI is promotional of pandemic fear, which you're still at risk, promoting vaccines, and doing everything it can to tell people they have no other options. It's pre-programmed. So if you go to Grok— Is that true? It's true. Let me give you an example. Okay. If you go to Grok and you say, who's Dr. Peter McCullough? It'll say, well, Dr. McCullough is a cardiologist, and it'll go on and on. It'll say, but he's a conspiracy theorist, and he lost his board certifications. It'll start saying all these things. I said, listen, just say who it is. Don't put in any defamatory comments. Just give the straight facts. Then it'll actually give a straight answer. So Grok will tell you, I'm the most published person on the pandemic, period, in the world. Okay. And, you know, and so if you actually tell Grok— Stop all the BS. It'll do it. With Alter AI, you don't have to do that. So at McCullough Foundation, I started a foundation. We formed a relationship with Alter AI, and we pay for it, and we get a clean feed. But I think even Copilot will come up with— Dr. Peter— Formerly practicing. No, I'm in practice. I just saw patients yesterday. I mean, look at it. It just goes on and on. Dr. Peter McCullough, yeah, formerly practicing as a cardiologist and internist. Wrong, because I'm practicing today. He has highly published in medical literature, over a thousand publications, cited tens of thousands of times, became widely known during the COVID-19 pandemic for his early advocacy of outpatient treatment protocols, including controversial early use approaches, and for his strong public criticisms of COVID-19 vaccines. Yeah. Okay, well— This seems— It's getting there. You know, the thing about artificial intelligence, which I think is a huge advance— Every day now. Huge advance. One more thing here. His views on COVID-19 vaccines and related topics have been heavily criticized by mainstream medical organizations, fact-checkers, and sources like factcheck.org, which describe many of his claims as misinformation or unsupported. Do you know not a single medical organization has reached out to me even for a discussion? And, you know, factcheck.org, that's not a medical organization. I have no idea what that is. So the idea is, let's say a medical— A medical organization said, let's have a discussion about COVID vaccine complications. Not a single one. There hasn't been a single medical school in the United States that's even had a Grand Rounds on this, let alone invite me to present Grand Rounds. Why do you think that is, that they haven't reached out to you to have a conversation? They haven't reached out to anybody. Okay. There is a tremendous willful blindness to what's gone on. There has been no review of lessons learned. What did we learn from the pandemic? I agree. It's so wild. So much information was every day. It was this, this, go here, get a booster. If you can't, like, get a vaccine, like, hang your family member out of a window, we'll have an archer come by with a vaccine, like from Pfizer. Yeah, we'll vaccine them from the road or whatever. It's like, it was getting crazy. But yeah, it's kind of wild how afterwards there hasn't been as much like, hey, these are the things we learned. This is like what we've learned as a society. Well, we're told over and over again, there's going to be another one. It's called disease X. It's going to come out of another bio lab. Shit, it's going to come out of Miami, I'll tell you that. Or Galveston, Texas, they got a BSL-4 lab there. Do they? I don't know. Oh, yeah. They got some BBLs over in Miami, though. I know that. No, it's, it's, it's. Is it really? They're dealing with some bad stuff down there. Okay. Mark that. I want to go back and talk about that in a second. Wait, so this is it right here, defining diseases. Disease X. Well, look at Bloomberg School of Public Health. Who's the major funder of Bloomberg School of Public Health? Bill Gates. Wow. This is a dream. This is a dream of those who want to vaccinate the world, is they want another disease X. Of course. It's another industrial war complex. That's what this is. Well, you got it. But it's on your bodies. I do want to say this, and Bill might just be trying to solve whatever he was potentially giving his wife. I don't know. That's allegedly. But I will say this, I want to read this right here, because you mentioned disease X. I haven't heard about it. Since 2018, the mysterious and often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts. Just that sentence alone. When you look at that sentence, look how bull, look how front loaded and vague it is. Since 2018, this mysterious, often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts. Like we're so prepared for, we don't even, for something that's super vague. It's just like, you can feel it setting you up for something. Well, let's go to CEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovation. It's founded in 2017 by the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates. And CEPI in its business plan in 2017 says there's going to be a series of these pandemics, one after another, coming in like hurricanes. And for each one, there'll be only one solution, mass vaccination. And CEPI is a vaccine incubator. They're going to be ready. Let me tell you, vaccines in pandemics is big business. Way more than pro sports, way more than anything else you can think of. It's huge business. And in this world of, we don't hear about other forms in this industrial complex now, other things now outside of biological threats and then countermeasures, which is a military term. They are vaccines, therapeutics, and protective equipment. But the idea is these are so richly funded, they're so richly funded that the entity that holds the threat and holds the antidote, they hold power. Can you imagine the negotiating power you would have if you said, "Hey, listen, I got COVID-20 locked and loaded right now in an undisclosed location, can get the whole country sick. We want a little better tariff situation. Can you imagine the negotiating power?" And Peter Daszak, who's part of this whole conspiracy to create SARS-CoV-2, when he testified in the House of Representatives, he said, "I left a whole bunch of samples back in Wuhan." That's why I'm confused. What was he doing there? Peter Daszak was the go-between between Dr. Ralph Baric at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, who devised the virus and was publishing on it, and the federal government. Daszak was at the EcoHealth Alliance. It's a go-between organization that was shuttling money for Baric's projects over to Wuhan. Daszak had been to Wuhan many, many times. He knew that lab well. To create the virus, you mean? Correct. Understood. Okay, let's back up one second. I just want to look at CEPI. Who created CEPI? Bring that back up. CEPI was a World Economic Forum and the Gates Foundation. You'll find, I think, the government of Germany and India, I believe, was involved as well. This is a richly-funded, multibillion-dollar organization. You just can't imagine how big these units are. Oh, I can totally. You know, you look at the industrial war complex, and now you start to see it's the industrial medical complex. There you go. That's the new one that really seems like it's sprouted over the past 20 years. Correct. Right here. CEPI is the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, a global organization focused on accelerating vaccine. Vaccine development. Okay, sorry. It was created in 2017 through a partnership between the governments of Norway and India. The Wellcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Yep. to disease X, I want to just read what it was really quick. By the way, CEPI has got a big disease X section. They have a whole white paper on it. Wow. Disease X is a placeholder concept that refers to a pandemic pathogen that has not yet been characterized. How big is that? Like, Hey, it's, it exists, but we don't know what it is exactly yet, but we have a vaccine for it. Its purpose is to encourage proactive thinking about pathogens that could cause a pandemic. Oh, so disease X isn't an actual disease. It's a plan. It's a plan for a disease. So disease X was SARS-CoV-2. It was a planned disease. And here we are, it was a plan. And, you know, my first book, Courage to Face COVID-19, we expose CEPI and what we call a biopharmaceutical complex. You called it a bioindustrial complex, same thing. But, there has been a cartel that's formed. It's very powerful. And it's probably back, 2004 is probably when it started with the BioShield Act, but it includes the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, Gates Foundation, Wellcome Trust, the Rockefeller Foundation, CEPI, Gavi, Unitate, all these organizations, all organized to actually plan for, create pandemics and then respond to them. And that's how COVID-19 ultimately, it's essentially known now. This was not a spontaneous thing from nature. This was planned. What's the number one piece of evidence that makes you feel like it's known that it was planned? Well, I think the best source of all of the evidence is Peter Bregan's book, COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey. I wrote the introduction for it, but he goes back again to about 2004, the BioShield Act, where he outlines 36 pandemic preparedness planning events, 36, historically. He's got a wonderful timeline. And of those, two dozen provide written documents. You can just read them, including one of them's the Prep Act in 2005, which says there will be a pandemic and we will have one. 2005, that was a Bush administration, HHS said, "Listen, we're going to have one. And when we do, we're going to have countermeasures. And when we roll out these countermeasures, you better take one. And there is a complete freedom of liability." But 24 of them provide written evidence, and then six of them are filmed. 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And look at the last World Economic Forum meeting. They play a big role in this. And it was one of the speeches where they said, you know, COVID-19 pandemic was a test of human compliance. They just come out and say that. Was it just written or did someone speak to that? Someone say it. Yeah, let's pull it up. World Economic Forum, the pandemic was a test of human compliance. But the point I'm making is that there's a lot of interest in this whole field. We have divisions. Here we go. Who said that? No, the World Economic Forum did not describe the pandemic as a test of human compliance. Test of social responsibility. Key details from that and related WF publications include test of social responsibility. The article explicitly stated that COVID-19 was the test of social responsibility. Citing the fact that people worldwide complied with the. The unimaginable restrictions. Well, pretty close. Oh, I don't doubt that it felt certainly like a psychological experiment. I mean, one of the things I was going to ask you is what do you feel like they learned from this? Like what valuable information was taken away? Like whoever these powers are that be, you know? Well, I hope that they learned that when they have a vaccine, that's an epic failure. That that's permanently going to set back aspirations. For future worldwide vaccination. Now, if this vaccine would have worked and everyone took it and COVID magically went away and just everything cleared up in a month or two and there was nobody was sick anymore and there was no side effects. These guys would have been heroes, right? Remember Bill Gates comes out in April of 2020 and says this pandemic doesn't end until virtually every person in the world takes a vaccine. How does he know? It's April of 2020. Vaccines. Right. Who knows what's going to happen? Right. Yeah. If you have a strategy, then of course that's what you're going to say. Well, Gates Foundation and the Bloomberg School of Public Health in 2017 hold a planning seminar. It's called the SPARS pandemic. S-P-A-R-S pandemic. It's at Johns Hopkins. And it says there's going to be a coronavirus pandemic. There's going to be a coronavirus pandemic. Yeah. In 2017. I'm reading that. Now, they held it in 2017. They thought it was going to hit in 2025. Okay. It hits in late 2019. Then, and this is one of the ones that, you know, is well documented as a planning event. And then event 201. Come on. That's November of 2019. What is event 201? Event 201 was, again, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Gates Foundation. They have a meeting. They said, we are really going to have a, we are really going to have a coronavirus pandemic. They bring over George Gao, who's the Chinese CDC director. And he's paired up with others there. Averill Haynes is there. Who's Averill Haynes? She's a former World Economic Forum associate. Becomes our director of national intelligence under Biden. Really? And she's with George Gao. And they're saying, oh, we're going to have a COVID pandemic. And this is how it's essentially, it's going to be used to railroad mass vaccination on the world. But do you believe, do you believe that everybody knew that? Or do you believe that a select group knew it? And then they just, because say if I, say if I have a devious plan, right? I could still go to someone and say, hey, this is what's happening. I don't have to say I'm the one who's causing what's happening, right? So were there, because the tough part is when you start to think of like that everybody was complicit, like, you know what I'm saying? That's the part that starts to feel very impossible to a lot of people. I don't think that's the case. I got to tell you, I was in practice then. I had no idea this was going on. Everybody I talked to in my institutions all over the whole country, all over Europe, no one knew this was happening. The point is this was going on. This was in the open. Got it. No one was paying attention. I bet no one briefed Trump that in 2017 that they're going to, you know, they were planning for a coronavirus pandemic. I bet there wasn't any briefing. But does it also make sense that as our world evolves and as like biohacking and like research and everything becomes so much more intense and like medicine is evolving all the time and science is evolving constantly. That's just what it does. That there would be, it would make some sense to strategize that something like this could happen. Like that maybe we've moved on from like actual, like huge wars on land and then it's going to become more like, I remember years ago, you would hear like, oh, the next war is going to be in the water or it's going to be in the air, right? It's going to be a virus. You would hear stuff like that a lot, like just kind of randomly. Oh, there's movies, right? There's movie Contagion and all these other movies. What experts will, in infectious disease and vaccinology? They said the reason why we have to have biolabs is we have to get ahead of nature, right? So nature sooner or later is going to throw us a really bad bug and we're susceptible to these. And the case example they use is Spanish flu. And in my book on vaccines, we spend a lot of time on the Spanish flu, which was very unique. Post World War I, we have, you know, young men in army barracks. And remember, influenza doesn't directly kill people. What kills them is a secondary staphylococcal pneumonia. And that's what they die of. The point that was made though, is that, listen, we could have another Spanish flu. And when COVID-19 pandemic broke, don't forget, the storyline we were told is, oh, here we go again. It's another Spanish flu. Now remember, Anthony Fauci knows it came out of the lab. But they collaborate together to say, you know what? It came out of a fish market. In fact, the WHO, when it was asked to investigate early in 2020, where did this virus come from? Rear Admiral Brett Gerard, someone who went to my medical school in Dallas at Southwestern, he was on President Trump's first task force. Brett Gerard nominates three U.S. scientists to go to Wuhan. The WHO says, no, no, we don't want them. We want Peter Daszak. Isn't that interesting? Daszak, who knew, in fact, he was shuttling the plans over there. So Daszak goes over to Wuhan and he looks around. He goes, I don't know where this virus came from, but it definitely didn't come out of the lab. He had been to the lab dozens of times. He shuttled the plans over. Anthony Fauci was well aware of this. They started covering up their emails. Rand Paul's got a great book called Deception. He has every single one of these events in it. But the point I'm making is those in this field keep saying, listen, there could be another Spanish flu. We must get ahead of this. However, with the 2004 BioShield Act and the 2005 PrEP Act, the governments got in the game of bioterrorism. How did those acts allow them to do that? Well, what happened was we had the anthrax scare, which largely looks like it was a deranged government worker at Fort Detrick who was working on the anthrax vaccine for the military. And there has been lost enthusiasm for this vaccine based on safety. And so he actually sent some letters to Leahy and other people in Congress. Some people got sick. To this day, not a single soldier has died of anthrax because an enemy shot an anthrax capsule the other way. It's all been this event. Like these social events. Yeah, social events. What happened with anthrax? Well, there's another great book with. There you go. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and the senators, Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. Patrick Leahy killing five people and infecting 17. Five people infecting others. But. But what I'm saying is the anthrax scare and SARS-1, the SARS-1 outbreak, led to this idea that. Wait a minute. There's money here? Oh, first off, this could really happen. So we should be prepared. That's the reason why it's called the PrEP Act. We should be prepared. And our governments should get in this game. So the military got in the game with a unit called DARPA, D-A-R-P-A. And the National Institutes of Health got in the game with a unit called DARPA. And they got in this game with a unit called BARDA, B-A-R-D-A. And these are pandemic preparedness units. Well, as they churned over time, there's funding of biolabs. And let's see how we can make this organism more contagious. And would this work? And let's test it here. And they got to BEREC. BEREC got to the point of, well, let's take a human coronavirus, of which there's four that we can get as a common cold, and let's take the spike protein, the surface of it, from a. from a bat, and then start to play with this until it can lock in with a human receptor called the ACE2 receptor and invade humanized epithelial cells in animals. And when they did that in Wuhan, it basically killed the animals. They said, "Ooh, now we've got a real. We took something benign, which is a coronavirus, and we've made it potentially lethal." Now, in those papers, 2015. - In what papers? - In pre-reviewed papers, 2015, Nature Communications in 2016, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, the first author is Menachery, M-E-N-A-C-H-E-R-Y. Those two papers describe primordial SARS-CoV-2. In 2015, 2016, this is published. These are high-level, peer-reviewed journals. And the title of the paper is a SARS-like CoV, coronavirus, W-I-V-1, Wuhan Institute of Virology-1 virus, poised for human emergence. So here they are in these papers, and you can pull them up, poised for human emergence. So they were announcing to the world, this isn't my field, I wasn't reading this. - But was this a good guy saying this, or was this a bad guy saying this? - These are the guys who were working. This paper was done, the work was done in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. - Okay. - They say, they say it's gain-of-function research, but it was grandfathered in because it was started before the Obama ban on this. And we took it over to Wuhan. They thanked the Chinese for their collaboration. Now the second paper that came out a month later in the President's National Committee of Sciences, they actually put the Chinese authors on. So this was in many ways in the infectious disease community in the open. Now this paper, by the way, when the US government funds work like this, they must put the genetic code of the new virus they created in a central data bank. - Did they do that? - No. And when Ralph Baric was interviewed on this in 2021, they said, wait a minute, did you submit your genetic code? Does the virus, does it match your code from here? He says, well, I've had a discussion with the National Institutes of Health, and we believe it's a national security issue, and we are not going to release it. Now his virus, do you think, does it match your code? He says, well, I've had a discussion with the National Institutes of Health, and we believe it's a national security issue, and we believe it's a national security issue, and we believe it's a national security issue. What killed people, and some people truly did die of this, was the spike protein. The spike protein allows the virus to inject itself in the body. We sacrifice the part of the spike protein near the ball. The S2 is sacrificed, and S1 goes into the body. Now, that's with the infection. The vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, are the genetic code for the full spike protein. So you take one of those vaccines, now the genetic code is producing the full spike. Length spike protein in the human body. Was there a moment, do you think, when they planned to unleash the virus, or did it just naturally sort of enter society, sort of? Like, that's where I'm a little bit confused. Was there like a day, like a D-Day of sorts, where it's like, okay, this is when we're going to just unleash this virus into the world? Or do you think it was unleashed on accident? Like, what is your thoughts on that? You know, I don't exactly know, but I have listened to many opinions, and one opinion who I think is on target is, former CDC director Robert Redfield, he believes it Leaked out by accident, summer of 2019. Accident, it just seems so, it feels like there would be so much security around something like this. No, no, there are- But if everybody's keeping it a secret. Listen, we've published this on my sub-stack, Focal Points, Nick Hulsher at McCullough Foundation. There's over 3,000 biolabs. Do you know there have been hundreds and hundreds of leaks? This one down in Galveston, there's been a ton of leaks. In Galveston, Texas? Sure. These labs require biosecurity level four, means you have to wear a hazmat suit and they use reverse ventilation, what have you. All you need is a ventilation system going out, someone spilling a test tube, someone not being careful. And the Biden administration in 2024, in the summer of 2024, published this legislation and it's concerning pathogens of pandemic potential that are dual-productive. Purpose. It's very important. I'm a little confused. And what that means is we are in the business of creating pathogens that can create pandemics, but they have a dual purpose, to get the world sick and to create vaccines. I see what you're saying. So they're able to create a pathogen now that can get you just sick enough, you're saying? Get the whole world sick. Now that's kind of tricky because- Let me read this really fast, sorry. There have been no research, no reports of community-wide leak or environmental breach from the biolabs in Galveston as early as 2026. In February 2025, reports disclosed that there were three incidents in 2024 where researchers were potentially exposed to infectious agents within the high containment labs. The Chapparavirus, a lab worker accidentally punched their finger with a needle while handling an infected guinea pig. Shout out, guinea pigs, all of them. Chappar is a rare deadly hemorrhagic, fever virus. Anthrax were also cited in the annual biosafety summer release and containment status. In all three cases, the incidents were contained inside the lab. - So let's go to thefocalpoints.com. We're going to have to start going to the original papers because you're getting snowed on artificial intelligence. You're getting snowed. Okay, now do the search button up there and type in biolab leak. - Galveston? - No, it'll come up. - Okay. - Let's pick any one of those. - Just pick the UNC Chapel Hill. - That's it right there. - Click on the link right there. And this is what I do. I just go from the original papers and none of this, I think. - Yeah, 'cause a lot of AIs, that was Gemini, I think. A lot of AIs, you just don't know what they're pulling in. - You're getting snowed. The illusion of biosafety during SARS-CoV-2 research, multiple apparent occult lab acquired infections identified under BSL-3 conditions, primary US labs. And so, we're starting to get the idea that these labs are not infallible. And Trump has actually stopped federal funding of these, but they're richly funded by foundations like Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Trust, Wellcome Trust, and they're big business for universities. Do you know that not a single state has done an inventory of their biolabs? And I'm on the Senate Committee for Arizona, and they ask, "Well, doc, what can we do to do better next time?" I said, "Why don't you do an inventory of what universities are running biolabs?" - Wow, so there's biolabs on college campuses right now? - Oh, for sure. - And are some of them handling pretty severely infectious diseases? - Yes. - Really? - Yeah, go back to- - Which ones, do you know? - Go back to focal points. And I want you to pull up one I did, search on this, and do a pandemic potential dual analysis. You're gonna get the Biden, there we go. Click on the top one. This is the government, just scroll down. This is the government work on pandemics. This is the Bioweapons Convention, 1975, that says we shouldn't be in this business, so they call them biological threats, and just go down. The Biden administration put out guidance on this, of this dual use. And it's a 31-page document, and it's very minimal oversight. Listen, if you were making a nuclear bomb in a university lab, you'd have the nuclear, here it is, you'd have the Nuclear Regulatory Commission all over you. - Yeah. - And here, this is so light. Voluntary reporting, just kind of tell us what you're generally doing. You know, there was a biolab that someone found in Ridley, California, there was one recently in Las Vegas. It's been said, I can't back it up, but it said they're all over Ukraine. - Wow. - I am telling you, the next threat we have is from a biolab, I feel pretty strongly about it. - Well, I think based on what's happened recently, yeah. I mean, I think that would make a lot of sense to say. You know, America feels super compromised, I feel like, in a lot of, I know, shocking. And I think we trusted the red, white, and blue, you know? You believe that America was this thing, this thing for so long. And it may have been at some point, but I feel like the number one thing that I notice amongst a lot of my friends is that people just feel that this is, everyone's questioning everything right now, that we don't trust, we don't trust that our country, that our government, that the entities out there are looking out for our best interest at all. In fact, that they're using us as prey. What countries do you feel like are leading the way in fighting for truth and transparency, do you feel like? And then with that said, how hard would it be for there to be this world pandemic cabal to take over? - Has the world ever agreed on anything? - No. - All 193 countries, ever? - No. - Written language, religion, nothing. But suddenly this pandemic comes out and all the countries agree that essentially there's one solution, mass vaccination. You've got genetic vaccines that have never been used in mankind ever. And we're talking about largely messenger RNA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, which are the leads. - So we'd never used genetic vaccines in the history of man? - Never. - Is that true? Bring that up. These are the first genetic, what does that mean exactly? - They're the first human messenger RNA vaccines. It's the genetic code for the lethal spike protein. - Got it. - What a gamble. So you have a protein that's been worked on for years and years and years, and it's lethal. It's proven to be lethal. Then we create the genetic code for this lethal protein and inject the genetic code with no idea what's going to shut it off. - No, genetic vaccines such as mRNA or DNA vaccines had not been used. They had not been used in humans before 2020. They underwent preclinical testing and early phase human clinical trials for conditions like influenza, rabies, Zika, HIV, and cancer, but none received regulatory approval or widespread use prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. Wow. - Now listen, messenger RNA has been around for a long time. There's a paper by Lalani and colleagues, British Medical Journal, that dates messenger RNA development back to about 1985. Billions of dollars were poured into this. It was a huge investment by countries all over. Big companies, CureVac, Sanofi, BioNTech came along, Moderna, and there's a love affair with messenger RNA technology. I'm telling you, love affair. Can you imagine any protein we want to, we can make the code for, inject it and start making a protein? The enthusiasm for messenger RNA is through the roof. And you know, when this pandemic came along, for those people in the messenger RNA world, and it was a very important development step. And I think it's very unfortunate no one briefed Trump on this. DARPA, a research unit of the military, and this one you have to bring up on the screen, guys. - And DARPA is basically, they're our government's lab. - Yeah. - Okay. - Military. - Got it. - DARPA has a program in 2012. It's called the ADAPT P3 program. They announced in 2012 that our aspiration is to end pandemics within 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines in 2012. See if you can bring up, yeah, click on P3 right there. - Okay. - Click on that and scroll down and you'll see a little- - Three, aims to specifically to develop a scalable, adaptable, and rapid response platform capable of producing relevant numbers of doses against any known or previously unknown infectious threat within 60 days of identification. - Right. - Of such a threat in order to keep the outbreak from escalating and disruptions to the military and homeland. - Now, click on that next link, autonomous. Now, roll down, there should be a figure. Is there a link there? I guess not. But they literally show messenger RNA in a little life cycle, that that's what they're using in 2012. Lalani points out that this has been going on for the longest time. It's almost as if a technology waiting for a use, and when this rolled out, to me, one of the greatest blunders was that there was no way to shut off this genetic code. And so- What do you mean, no way to shut off once it's injected into you? Yes. So normally cells make messenger RNA. So we have our DNA and the DNA codes for a message. The messenger RNA is made. It goes outside the cell and it works with ribosomes and it makes a protein like insulin. And then the messenger RNA is immediately dissolved with enzymes. Done. And so this cycle goes on and on and on. So the ability to make synthetic messenger RNA is powerful. But the reason why the development program stumbled so long is that it was immediately dissolved by these enzymes. So Carrico and Wiseman, who won the Nobel Prize in 2023, I believe, they came up with a process of replacing one of the base pairs in the code in messenger RNA, uracil, which- For a synthetic one called pseudouridine. Once that happened, they were able to make the messenger RNA indestructible. Human enzymes can't break it down. Now it's game on. Ah, now it's ready. So now you, Carrico and Wiseman, 2023 Nobel Prize- But this was after COVID had come out. And I know, but the work wasn't. Don't forget, Nobel Prize is usually granted for 20 years of work. So, you know, they were working on this for years. So Pfizer, Moderna, when they went through, their decision-making on this, they tried, let's try to just replace 25% of the uracils. Well, it still gets dissolved. 50% still gets dissolved. 75%. They finally said, screw it. Replace all of it. Let's make it fully synthetic. Well, let me tell you what. This gets injected in the human body. You know, I was alarmed when that proposal was made. I published an op-ed. So they have a fully synthetic genetic code inside of you? Yes. That can't be dissolved? Cannot be. Cannot be dissolved. That's Pfizer and Moderna. And I published an op-ed in The Hill. And myself and Scott Atlas were invited through 2020 to, you know, kind of guide a house in the Senate, White House on what's going on with the pandemic. And I published an op-ed in The Hill in August of 2020. And the title of the op-ed is The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program. So I called it out. I said, listen, this is a gamble. And when this rolled out, the CDC says, well, it just stays in the arm and it'll be there for a couple of days. We have now one of my patients in Dallas and we've just published it. There you go. The Great Gamble. You're looking at the only public figure in the world who questioned the vaccines before they came out. The only one. You can't find another person who put it in writing big time before they came out. They came out December. Of 2020. No one did. PMAC. No one did. No one else did it. I mean, the point I'm making is the entire world was seduced by this technology. For sure. The seduction was overwhelming. Every country signed on to this. They couldn't wait to do this. Can you search that and see if the genetic code that was injected in with the mRNA vaccines, it doesn't. Go to McCullough Foundation. McCulloughFND.org and I'll get you the link. But the point is, we have one of my patients. This guy's taken three Pfizer shots. He's had blood clots. You know, MRI-proven heart damage. Neurologic damage. He's absolutely miserable with these shots. And so we work with a lab in Germany that can actually detect the spike protein and scroll down to our publications. You should find it here. But this is on your own website. Yeah, but it links to the publication. Everything I do is peer-reviewed and published. Right. So that's him right there, actually, if you want to see him. That's Steve Kempin, the man right there with the glasses on. He's got Pfizer circulating in his bloodstream 3.6 years after the shots. He looks hot. So it's in his skin. We did skin biopsies. We did two sets of skin biopsies, multiple sets of blood tests. Okay. And. And is this the only patient like this you've found? Well, it's the only. It's the only. With every seminal observation, he is the seminal observation. Now there'll be. What does that mean? That means the first one. It's the first observation. There it is. That's the central figure. This is essentially what we found in Steve Kempin. So this is the work we're doing at McCullough Foundation. You know, Harvard's not doing this. Mayo Clinic's not doing this. There's sick people who took the vaccine. They are not looking for the spike protein. They're not looking for the vaccine. They're baffled. You know, the Biden administration spent a billion. A billion dollars on long COVID, never considered the spike protein, which is the cause of long COVID. When you get the infection, a part of the spike protein gets stuck in your body. You take the vaccine, you get the full-length spike protein in your body. No wonder you feel sick. Why wouldn't they be trying to figure it out? Because there's money there too. It's the most interesting observation ever. There's no lectures on the spike protein or vaccine injuries. There's no grand rounds. There's no primary care. There's no pre-treatment care updates. The Biden administration spent a billion dollars on long COVID research. They didn't do a single spike protein or messenger RNA research study. Now we have a new administration in. They haven't done it. No one will look directly at the problem in the entire world. And on top of this, there's plenty of evidence suggesting each vial was different. Each batch was different. Some were super loaded. Some didn't have much in it at all. 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Not a single country has opened the vials to inspect them for quality or poor purity. And not a single country, they're on 140 markets, not a single country has pulled them off the market. Why though? And how would you get all of these countries to go along with this continually and agree? Like there has to still be some like countries out there who are willing to raise their hand and ask questions, huh? None. It's a mind-blowing reality. You can't get people to agree. This is the biggest oblivion. Right, I know you can't get them to agree. But you are saying you're getting them all to agree to not look into this. Yes. how? I was asked to lecture last year in Chautauqua, which is actually a great honor. Chautauqua is the heart of modern American liberalism. It's in Western New York. Roosevelt's have lectured there. And I thought about this. How can this be? How can not a single medical school have a spike protein project looking at this? And I picked two prior examples where there is a complete oblivion to a big problem. The first one was 1860 to 1920, what I call the first great cocaine epidemic. Every drug made by all the pharmaceutical companies was cocaine derivatives. It was in Coca-Cola. It was in Chianti wine. All the doctors were in the same group. And so, it was a big problem. And so, I was asked to lecture last year experimented with this. The nurses used it. All the medical journals were publishing effects of cocaine, improving energy in JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine. Halstead, the father of modern surgery, used cocaine as an anesthetic. He became a brutal cocaine addict. So did Sigmund Freud. Okay. He was on it, huh? Right. So, listen, this goes on for 60 years. In JAMA, our U.S. medical journal, in 60 years, with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of papers, not on cocaine, there was one paper by an Irish doctor who said, I'm concerned this is causing addiction. One in 60 years, a complete oblivion to the addictive potential of cocaine. So, you're saying that it's possible. Okay. Let me give another example. 1920 to 1978, what I call smoke fest. Everyone smoked. Nurses smoked. Everyone smoked. People in high society. Smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke. Doctors handed out cigarettes in the clinics. RGR Reynolds and American Tobacco Company, Philip Morse, they had doctor. Prescribed cigarettes? No. They had doctor cigarette promotional campaigns where the doctors handed out cigarettes. They said which ones they thought were the best. And doctors claiming smoking is safe. This goes on and on and on. And finally, Sir Austin Bradford Hill in the U.K., an epidemiologist, and Richard Dahl, a medical doctor, present data in the U.K. in 1950. And they said, it looks like smoking causes lung cancer. No, you can't be. You're smeared and discredited, debunked. Loser. If it was social media, they would have been canceled. They would have been thrown off YouTube for saying that smoking causes lung cancer. They do the physician smoking study. They come back four years later. They say, listen, smoking is causing cancer. In fact, half of British doctors are dying of smoking. related conditions. Still doesn't convince them. In the United States, this goes all the way to 1964. Luther Terry, our Surgeon General, calls a meeting to Washington of the doctors and says, listen, I got the Surgeon General's report. Smoking causes lung cancer. Doctors were still smoking. They still didn't believe him. In fact, doctors were smoking in the operating room, in the clinic. A great book is The Emperor of All Maladies by Mukherjee, one that Pulitzer prizes in his first book. He describes the lead surgeon at Johns Hopkins taking out these blackened lung cancers in surgery. And he was smoking all the time when he was doing the surgery and teaching the students, no, smoking doesn't, the black smoke doesn't cause the lung cancer. He himself dies of lung cancer. And on his deathbed, he still says that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. It's not until 1978. Before the AMA sheepishly comes out with its first brochure, The Dangers, Health Hazards of Smoking. And it's not until the 1990s before we have the tobacco settlement. So my point is, listen, if cocaine and the doctors being totally oblivious to cocaine because they were seduced by it, totally oblivious to smoking because they were seduced by it, and now totally oblivious to the hazards of these COVID vaccines. We got three examples here. What's common to all of them? Self-participation. That is, they did it themselves. Can you imagine if you told a doctor, listen, did you take the Pfizer, Moderna vaccines? Yeah. Do you know they don't leave the body and they're still in your body now producing spike protein? No. And no, I don't know. And I don't want to know. And did you have your wife and your family take it? Oh yeah, I did. And did you tell your patients to take it? Yeah. Do you know it causes fatal heart damage and blood clots and autoimmune problems, neurologic problems, stroke, and it may cause cancer? It's overwhelming. The average doctor cannot psychologically handle it. Just like they couldn't psychologically handle it, that cocaine was damaging themselves and ruining their lives, or like smoking was causing the lung cancer. It's the same thing. Wow. Yeah. I guess when you look at it like that, that it's happened throughout time, that if we've been standing right there in the sun and denying light, it's pretty wild. What are some of those common side effects that you've seen from the COVID-19 vaccines? Most concerning is fatal. Heart damage, myocarditis, fatal. What is myocarditis? We hear about it all the time. People are like, you know, a kid falls down in a soccer game and people are yelling, he's got myocarditis. You know, you just don't know what's going on. What is it exactly? There was a very important paper by Krausen, K-R-A-U-S-O-N, from Harvard that found in some people who took the vaccines found that the messenger RNA is physically in the heart. That's a bad sign. So it's- Whatever you take in the arm should not end up in the heart. So it has a tropism for the heart. It actually has a predilection to go in the heart. So there's Krausen, 2023. So messenger RNA is in the heart. Okay. Yeah. Let me see. Duration of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine, persistence and factors associated with the cardiac involvement in recently vaccinated patients. Let me see what it says. Vaccine was detected in the axillary. Lymph nodes in a majority of patients dying within 30 days of vaccination, but not in patients dying more than 30 days from vaccination. So originally it was going to the heart. Read farther down. Vaccine was detected in the myocardium, in the heart, in a subset of patients vaccinated within 30 days of death. I mean, it's at the scene of the crime. Okay. Another paper by Baumeyer, B-A-U-M-E-I-E-R, Baumeyer, found the spike protein in the heart. He didn't have the tech to find the messenger RNA, but he found the spike protein in the heart. And there you go. That should be Baumeyer. That's it. So this is image. These are images showing inflammation and spike protein in the heart. So here's the point. The vaccine is in the heart. The spike protein is the heart. When you have inflammation in the heart, the heart is dependent on having a nice, consistent muscle for conduction. That's how our heart becomes depolarization. When you have inflammation, that creates heterogeneity in conduction. And then we can actually get a re-entrant loop, an electrical loop that goes around very, very fast. That's called ventricular tachycardia. And if that isn't shocked or interrupted, it degenerates to ventricular fibrillation and you're down. Now, the triggers, we've had myocarditis rarely before the pandemic from various viruses. And other forms of inflammation. It was known then that we can never let these people exercise because if they exercise, the surge of adrenaline through exercise can trigger this abnormal heart rhythm. It's in our guidelines. So as the vaccines roll out, and we've had a U.S. Senate hearing on this in May of 2025, people started getting heart damage with the vaccines. And if you look up the U.S. Senate testimony, May 21st, 2026, Ron Johnson, Peter McCullough, the U.S. government got communications from Israel saying, "Listen, we gave the vaccine to all our soldiers. We got 60 cases of heart damage and two cases are fatal." This came in, in February of 2021. The public health agencies, they all sat on this, the White House sat on this, and they didn't inform the public. And so more people got vaccinated. Then a big bomb hit. And the bomb hit, that's my opening statement right there, a big bomb hit in August of 2021, where a paper was published from Washington University in St. Louis. First author is Verma, first author is Verma, and they describe a 42-year-old man who takes a Moderna shot, develops myocarditis, gets really sick, goes in the hospital, and he dies right in front of them. They can't save him. With all the technology that we have, life support systems, everything else, he dies. Brutal, fatal myocarditis. And this is New England Journal of Medicine. But here's my point. If there was a new drug on the market, and we gave it to somebody, and they died of fatal heart damage, there'd be product warnings, withdrawals, doctors would say, "Wait a minute, I'm not concerned." Doctors showed no concern over this. Outside of me, I don't care. I saw this. I said, you got to be kidding me. This kills a healthy 42 year old man. If this, if, if Moderna can kill a healthy 42 year old man with all the technology and we can't save them, do you know how many people are dying in nursing homes and athletic fields and in schools and all over? And how many people are dying in, in, in, uh, underdeveloped countries? But are we seeing an uptick in that? Like, is there any information or would we even get the correct information anymore? That's, that's cause it starts to get to this place where you're like, okay, if this is really happening, I'm not seeing people drop dead everywhere. You know, um, I'm not hearing that, but also you don't know if the news is factual or not a lot of times. Um, don't you think you would see, like, see it happening in mass so that it would really support some of this information that you're saying? You'd have to, um, get to a point where it would be, people have estimated this. What would be something so significant that you'd see it with your human eye? It's probably more than 15%. More than 15% of the population you mean? You'd have to, you'd have to just see bodies all over the place. Right. Right. Yeah. You'd literally have to be like, oh man, what's going on? Otherwise you'll miss an important signal. Now there's, there's 12 studies showing mortality is actually up since the pandemic, not down. You know, you go through a pandemic, there's a calling effect. There should be, you know, sicker, frail people who die. And therefore the remaining people have a lower mortality if the pandemic mortality is up. Do you believe that the number of vaccine related deaths is being misrepresented? Yes. So let's go to open VAERS, open VAERS, O-P-E-N-V-A-E-R-S.com. Click U.S. data. Okay. This, nobody's challenged this. This is presented in the U.S. Senate multiple times. These are deaths reported to VAERS by doctors, like me, who've already determined the vaccine is the cause of death. This is not controversial. I've reported some of these cases. I've already decided the vaccine caused the death. I've filed the death certificate. I've looked at the autopsy. I've looked at the MRIs. I've looked at all the data. This is not up to the CDC to decide. I've decided. Okay. 16, 19,609 deaths. Okay. Do you know how many deaths per year come into this system for all the other vaccines? Combined? 150. 150,000? 150. Total? Total. Wow. This is off the Richter scale. Off the Richter scale. And so in Senate and House and Senate and FDA testimony, people say, wait a minute, if you don't have the vaccine card and you're not willing to report it and you don't have all the data, it can't be reported. So what is the under-reporting factor? There's actually a conservative estimate from you, from conservatively, because people are aware of COVID and fatal side effects. The conservative estimate is 30. And in my publications, I use 30. 30,000? No, 30. It's an under-reporting factor. Meaning this 19,609 is probably under-reported 30 fold. So the true number of vaccine deaths is between 500 and 600,000 deaths. No way. Yeah. Wow. And how do you get that 30 X? Well, there's a lot of data. There's a lot of data. There's a paper by Lazarus that said it's a hundred. It's a hundred fold under-reported. People said, no, people know about these COVID vaccines. So we are reporting more deaths now than other vaccines, but 30 fold under-reported is conservative. It's conservative. But even if we, even if there's no under-reporting 19,609, what if we had 19,609 people die from a new energy drink? Yeah. People would be outraged. Like prime or whatever. Right. I mean, you know, we, we, we, we have a couple of people die in a, in a building collapse. It makes the news. You know, you have Nancy Guthrie, bless her heart. She's abducted from her home. It's on the news for, for weeks on end. Yeah. Cash Patel can't even find her. He's out partying. Right. No, but what I mean is one death is too many, but here we are, here we are in that 19,609. Are these in-your-face deaths reported in the peer-reviewed literature? And one that really caught my eye is by Gill and colleagues. Gill, Archives of Pathology. This is terrible. This is two boys. They're teenagers. They die after taking Pfizer and they're found, yes, Gill, they're found in their beds, dead at home by their parents. They get autopsies. They bring an expert pathologist. It's conclusive. They died of taking the Pfizer vaccine. Healthy, young adolescents. Let me read this. Clinical and autopsy investigation of two teenage boys who died shortly following administration of the second Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 dose. The myocardial injury seen in these post-vaccine hearts is different from typical myocarditis and has an appearance most closely resembling a catecholamine-mediated stress cardiomyopathy. Understanding these instances are different from typical myocarditis and that cytokine storm has a known feedback loop. Do you want me to translate? Yeah. Okay. I mentioned that- It's that electrical loop you were talking about. Wait. I mentioned the vaccine is in the heart. The spike protein is in the heart. There's inflammation. But what triggers the cardiac arrest is a surge of adrenaline that occurs on the playing field during athletics. It also occurs between 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. during the normal waking hours of sleep. They're called the waking hours. That's what happens. So the pattern of vaccine deaths has been during sports and athletics and then dead in bed. These are astronomical numbers. The simple fact that 150 people have died of vaccines each year, right? Is that what you're saying? That's what comes in the report. Right. And this report is saying that there was 19,000, which we believe is highly underreported. Right. 19,000 over five years. But I can tell you, by March of 2021, three months into the campaign, there were 1,600 deaths. Wow. And I was called to the Texas Senate. I said, listen, I'm concerned. I had already expressed concern before they came out. I'm really concerned. And you can't whitewash this away. And that's what we saw being done everywhere. And I've heard ridiculous explanations like, well, these aren't verified. Well, who's going to verify them? The doctor has all the right. When I do a VAERS report, the first three or four pages is all about me. Who are you? Who's making this report? Where's your name? What's your address? What's your email? What's your office address? What have you? Okay. Then the next several pages are who the patient? Who are they? Who are their relatives? Where's their email? What's their address? The CDC has all of this information on 19,000 deaths. Do you know how many people the CDC has actually called to kind of do a study? Zero. Wow. They're sitting on 19,600 deaths. They have all the information. They didn't even send a, you know, a, a, a, I'm sorry card. I mean, let alone do a study. I mean, to think that the Center for Disease Control, we're, we're so diseased. We're one of the most diseased countries in existence. How they're even still allowed to function to me is just beyond me. I think most people, um, I'm, I'm seeing an uptick of people that want to give births in home, people that do not want to go to the hospital anymore. People looking for, uh, home remedies, homeopathic type of, uh, remedies, uh, people trying to get off of their antidepressants. I mean, I think it's one of the largest resurgences. Um, there's more people getting into homeschooling right now, right now than there was during COVID, right? If you think about that, that's unbelievable. That's how much people do not trust, uh, any of these entities. Well, have you heard that there's measles outbreaks everywhere? I haven't seen it. Yeah. It's all over. Oh my gosh. Is it true? Yeah. Well, it, it, you know, there are now, uh, there's one of the social media platforms. Um, trying to, it's called threads. Do you know what threads is? It goes, oh yeah. So go on threads. I don't think we have a threads account though. Oh, I do. But anyhow, you go on threads, you are, every time you turn around, there's a measles update, another measles outbreak, another measles outbreak. And you're like, oh, I don't know what this measles outbreak is. That's interesting that that's where it's at too. Nobody's even on threads. So, um, so of interest, we have about a thousand measles cases so far this year. And average year is about 2000 in the United States. There have been 40,000 distinct press pieces on measles outbreaks. And 75% of those encourage taking the measles vaccine. So this is interesting. And so in the, and by the way, in the pieces, they blame RFK and Trump. Now think about this. RFK and Trump have been in office, what, a year and three months. Uh, uh, a baby doesn't come up for the first measles vaccine until about 18 months of age. So the measles cases are seen now. And so the most ridiculous thing is, um, they'll, they'll say measles outbreak hits college campus. So why college campuses and they'll say, you know, blame RFK and Trump. Say, wait a minute, that kid's vaccine decision occurred 15 years ago. How can they blame Trump? And so there you go. Hits the university in Florida. Oh, yeah. Florida, UMass Amherst. I've caught something over there. Okay. So here's another point. There have been measles outbreaks recently in the UK. So in the UK, well, how can you blame Trump and RFK? It's the UK. They have a different vaccine schedule. So here's the point I'm making is, and I wrote a sub-stack on this recently, that if you go to thefocalpoints.com, I'll give you the updated numbers, that we have a situation where testing has been ramped up fourfold. Now they're just doing PCR testing for measles all over. And it turns out the measles vaccine isn't perfect. So in a paper by Biden, he said, well, we're going to have to do a PCR test for measles. And he said, well, we're going to have to do a PCR test for measles. Now, Bianchi and colleagues, they found about 20% of people who take the measles vaccine, they don't have any serologic protection. I'm one of them. I took the first shot. I took a second shot. I went to medical school. I got a blood test. I had to take, I took four measles. I still don't have any. I guarantee if I got exposed to measles, I would get it. But so it's not perfect. But the measles is being used as an example to try to, in this whole vaccine promotional world, which has divided people into vaxxers and anti-vaxxers. Have you heard that one? For sure. Are you an anti-vaxxer? No. I mean, I got vaccines when I was young. I didn't get the COVID one, but I don't, I'm curious about the science. And I think I don't trust the entities that tell us the things we need to do to take care of ourselves anymore. So I think everything should be put under a microscope right now. Yeah. And I think people should trust their own decision-making. And if that's wrong or right, then at least you as a human can live with that as opposed to feeling like you may have gotten poisoned because, then that's out of your, then that's not your choice really. Well, sure. And, you know, I think the unique thing about vaccines is they've been, and we point this out in my book, they've been proposed to essentially be a savior to humanity and that you get a vaccine to protect other people. And in many ways, that's a myth. The real reason to get a vaccine is for your own personal protection. So it must be a personal choice. I think it is. Just like you take a blood pressure you're not doing it for somebody else. You're doing it for yourself. But vaccines have been presented that, wait a minute, this is good for humanity and people should do it. And if you're against doing it, you're hesitant. Wait a minute. Vaccine hesitancy, that's actually a psychiatric disease. Do you know there's 20- Are you serious? Yeah. There's 20 scientific survey instruments to assess your vaccine hesitancy. And if you score above a certain level, you have a disease. Nuh-uh. Yes. Bring that up. Vaccine hesitancy? Yeah. Put up McCullough vaccine hesitancy. I just published a paper on this. It's on the Substack. You'll find everything on Substack or my Twitter, you guys. Okay. That's it. Throughout history, there's always been, but this is just you writing it, but this is real information. It's peer reviewed. Okay. Throughout history, there's always been a fear of untreatable, potentially fatal communicable disease. Immunization has been an advancement in population health that has developed over three centuries. However, fear of side effects is a psychological phenomenon that has arisen, as a substantial issue for the lay public. Vaccine hesitancy, a complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization, poses significant challenges as a concept to the research and public health communities. Who decided vaccine hesitancy was real? Or are you just saying it? 18th century. It goes back to the 1700s. Vaccine hesitancy, a complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization. Yeah. And in the paper, I identified 20 different- Of these measures. There's an Oxford measurement of vaccine hesitancy. That's so crazy. And it's just, yeah. So the idea is it actually, you're considered to have a psychiatric disease if you are hesitant to take a vaccine. Wow. That's how far this has gone. And people say, well, it was really hard during COVID. I lost my job, what have you. In our book, we point out that this is the late 18th century, let's say about 1790 or so. And some of these smallpox outbreaks, and clearly in the late 19th century, you know, 1890 or so, if you decline taking a vaccine, or your children, your children go to jail. Families went to jail, parents went to jail. This was enormous. This has gone on for a long time now. So- Well, vaccine hesitancy is not a disease itself, but is a formal medical and sociobiological term used to describe the delay in acceptance and refusal of vaccines. That makes sense. The term was solidified by the WHO SAGE Working Group on Vaccine Hesitancy, which was established in 2012. Right. Listen, pull up the statement by the WHO. It should come down here, where the WHO says that vaccine hesitancy is a major threat to public health. I think it might have even been in that first thing you put up. Major threat to public health. And so vaccine hesitancy is basically put forward, as a principle, that there is top 10 threats to public health if you're hesitant to take a vaccine. In 2019, the World Health Organization officially named vaccine hesitancy as one of the top 10 threats to global health. This designation was a landmark moment because it shifted the focus from the vaccines themselves to the behavioral and social factors that prevent people from using them. But- Permanent subcommittee investigations. This is airtight. Our government covered up heart damage with the COVID vaccines because they didn't want to promote vaccine hesitancy by telling people the facts. Well, sure. I mean, I think that it's all part of the same thing. It's like, well, if we show this, then it's going to make people weary of vaccines. I mean, in our society, safety comes first. It doesn't matter how good these vaccines are. It doesn't matter what they- They could possibly do. If they're not safe, they should go. Well, our safety only comes first to us. And sometimes even then it's, but it doesn't, it obviously does not come first. It doesn't feel like any more to any of these powers that be. Well, does safety come first in automobiles? Yes. Because you have all these inspections. Does safety come first when you build your house? You can't get your certificate until things are safe and engineering. Does safety come first in other areas? Yes. Except vaccines. But vaccines have become a religion. They are accepted as articles of faith. This has been going on for 300 years. It's a religious thing. So if you come in and you say something that violates somebody's religious beliefs, you know what they do? If they're nice to you, you know what they do? They give you the Heisman. They say, I don't want to talk about it. That's what most of my colleagues do. I don't want to talk about it. And if you go further, you know what they normally do? Happened to me, obviously. They throw you out. Yeah. They say, listen, you're anti-religious. You're sacrilegious. Get out. Well, here's the thing. This wouldn't be on so many people's emotional radar and truth radar if there wasn't some truth to it. Correct. Like that to me is undeniable. Like I've always trusted my instincts, right? Sometimes I'm wrong, but over time I hone them. And a lot of times they get very keen for me and I operate well with them. Right. And I assume that's how most people operate. Yes. You mentioned you didn't take the COVID vaccines. Yeah. I didn't take them either. And according to USA Facts, which takes the tabular data from the CDC, the best estimates are that 19% of us did not take the shots. 19%. Now, 81% took at least one shot, but only 70% took two shots. So only 70% got fully vaccinated. Ah, understood. I'll say this. We had a guy, we had a guy on last week, this guy, James Lee, and he gets a lot of, um, he exposes a lot of corruption and he exposes a lot of, uh, like rich people that are just being like deviant, you know, type of stuff, you know, companies, politicians, all that, you know, he's, he's, he's seeking out like, um, he's known for investigations into like corruption and fraud. He was working as a consultant for one of these big biotech companies. And he said there was a conference call at one point where, um, where a representative from was talking about how they had, everyone had been vaccinated that was going to get vaccinated. They, they kind of figured that. And then there were still a lot of, uh, vaccinations left. It was a stockpile of vaccinations left. And so that they were going to start to push this idea that you needed a further, like a re because there was extra, right? Not because they thought that people really needed it, but because there was extra, do you think something like that could be true? Oh, for sure. I know that the pharmacies did not have any blanking period after someone got a shot. So what do you mean? There was no timeline between this, you get a second one. Yeah. Well, I mean, you got the primary series is you get one shot and then two to four weeks later, you get a second shot. But after that, the idea is, well, um, uh, six months or a year, ultimately it was decided that there were going to be annual shots, but the pharmacies didn't mind So I had some patients came in, and they were upstanding citizens and they said, Dr. McCullough, we got our COVID shots. And I was like, oh boy, you know, hope you're okay. They said, well, yeah, we're fine, but we're going to go on a cruise. So we went in and got some extra shots and it's possible. So can you imagine if I was prescribed a drug for a patient and they took, I said, take one pill a day. And they said, well, it's such a good pill. I think I'll take 20 or I'll take 50 or I'll take 100. Can you imagine me saying, well, sure, just take as many as you want to. We would never do this. And so with vaccines, there is a delusional scheme that the more vaccines, the better. But vaccines have been helpful throughout history. Sure. So in our book, you know, vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality, there's a reality for sure. So the measles vaccine, that's a good example. It definitely dropped the case count of measles, but it's not perfect. If you took the shot, you still could get measles. So we have measles outbreaks. And on top of that, there's like any drug, there's always risks and benefits. So what's the risks of the measles vaccine? This is important. This is another one that's on the Zenodo server, you guys. We just came out with this. We analyzed how many babies died after the measles vaccine, the MMR vaccine since the 1990s. Answer, I think there's over a hundred kids, maybe 200 kids. Died. From the vaccine. It was a combination of vaccines, but they found them dead in their bassinet. How many people died of measles during that same time? About six or eight. You get the exact numbers if you guys go on the server. So there are risks. That's the point. Nothing is risk-free. Let me give another one. But right there, what you're saying is, yeah, it's effective. Yeah, it drops the case count, but you could lose your baby with it. Got it. Okay. Now, what about chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid, but my kids didn't get chickenpox. They took the shots. So chickenpox lowers the case count. Terrific. But what's the catch? There's always a catch. That's the point. The catch is that now there's a higher rate of adult shingles if you take the chickenpox vaccine. So you're really just pushing it down the road then? Well, it's a trade-off. It's a trade-off. Who doesn't want chickenpox? First of all, you get out of school for like two or three days. And you get permanent immunity. So there's always a trade-off. So there's an important paper in JAMA recently by Vesuvian, V-A-S-E-D-U-V-A-N. That said, a large number of parents now are not going to get their kids fully vaccinated. They've seen enough of this now. Is that alarming to you, or how does that look to you? Well, I think it's going to bring us back to a more appropriate use of the word. Now, I'm not against the use of vaccines. I took every vaccine known to man except for the COVID shots. I've taken all kinds of flu shots. My kids took all the vaccines, so I'm not against vaccines. But I think they're excessively used. And where we're going is what's called risk stratification. That is, there has to be some meaningful risk of the disease for you to take the shot. So let me give an example. If you've had your spleen taken out, you had a car accident and you got taken out or taken out for other reasons, like my brother-in-law has his spleen taken out, you can die from a pneumococcal infection, meningococcal infection, or haemophilus infection. It's called encapsulator organisms. I feel very strongly if you've had your spleen taken out, you should get those vaccines because it's compelling. It's like you don't have a chance. I've seen some patients go down with these infections. However, if you're young and healthy like you and I, I mean, come on. I mean, we're not. You're not going to go down with a pneumonia. It's just not going to happen. This came up recently. A healthy baby born where the mother is negative for hepatitis B, the baby is fine. The baby has zero chance of getting hepatitis B until they get into teenage years. And even then, they're probably going to be fine. Depends on what choices they make with IV drug abuse and sexual partners, what have you. It's just not compelling to give them the hepatitis B vaccine. Now, I took it myself when I went into medical school and I was going to work with blood and what have you or a paramedic or a police officer. But not every person needs to take the hepatitis B vaccine. I think it's compelling. The highest risk for hepatitis B, transmitting it to the baby, is in about 20,000 mothers who have active hep B. Most of them are immigrants, by the way, from outside the United States. They come here. They have hep B. They give it to the baby. And so when that occurs, the mother gets the vaccine. The mother gets a drug called Fosinovir. And the baby gets hepatitis B immunoglobulin. And the baby gets. So we have for 20,000 babies out of 3.3 million born, we have a good hepatitis B transmission. It's very effective. It's 90% effective. But it doesn't have to be applied to all 3.3 million. Got it. So recently, even Rand Paul said this. Others said that, listen, we're overdoing hepatitis B. So I think where we're going is risk stratification. One that's going to come up, you're going to hear about it, is actually the human papillomavirus vaccine, HPV. Yeah, I've heard about that. Again, that's sexually transmitted. And it's given to all children in teenage years. But I can tell you, you know what the most compelling group is that transmits this virus like you cannot believe? Gay and bisexual men. Anal intercourse. Unprotected. Watch out. Anal carcinoma, penile carcinoma, et cetera. And oral head and neck cancers. So the bottom line is, you know, HPV vaccine? Yeah, gay or bisexual men? For sure. Everyone? Probably not. Everyone? It's got to be an individual decision. So we have to get to risk stratification and freedom of choice as opposed to putting it on the government schedule and forcing it into people. The CDC recommends, recommends routine HPV vaccinations for preteens at 11 or 12 years old, but it can be started as early as age nine with the goal of protecting them before exposure to HPV as it works best at younger ages. But here's one question I have. At a certain point, wouldn't some of these drug companies or these lower, like these, like if there's a bigger entities out there that are, that are this cabal of control, wouldn't they, wouldn't they, is there more money in them, you battling these diseases over time than there is just in one vaccine? You know what I'm saying? Like, wouldn't it then on the, them tabulating how much money they could make off of a person, wouldn't it be like, oh, well, it's better if we have them battling these two diseases or instead of getting a vaccine early. Does that make sense? No, the question is good. If you're a drug company and you say, I've got two choices, I'm going to make a vaccine or I'm going to make a drug to treat the disease. You would take the vaccine, I'm going to take the vaccine every time because the vaccine, let's say a, you know, a universal vaccine like influenza, you're going to give it to 300 million people. That's 300 million doses. Got it. If you get influenza and severe influenza, you'd have a drug that's maybe given to 50,000 people. It's night and day. So then right there, that should be information to us that, that that makes it like, it makes more sense than if you're like, well, let me just wait and see what 50,000 people would have these symptoms or get this. It feels like. From a public health perspective, my view on this is that it should all be about treatment. Right? I mean, so, you know, have you ever gotten influenza test positive ever? You've never even gotten it or tested for it. I don't have it. Okay. You never have. Never have. Have you ever taken an influenza vaccine? I don't know. I can tell you that shows you. It's common. It's completely irrelevant to you. I've never had influenza and I've never taken the test. I've never even met anybody that's even said it before. Right. So my point is, why is it recommended for you, me, every human being on earth, including little babies every year? But is the reason why we're not talking about it or anything or know anybody that has it because it. Well, you don't take the shots. Oh, that's right. But did I once get it when I was a child? That's what I'm saying. No, what I'm saying is it's an annual risk. Oh, I didn't know that. Do you see what I mean? So it's an annual. It's an annual risk. So the point is, the fear of infectious diseases is grossly exaggerated. Got it. To promote vaccine uptake. Vaccine mythology and ideology has been going on for 300 years. This is medical religion. This is medical. Do you know some doctors will throw a patient out of their office if they don't take a vaccine? Wow. Yeah. Pediatricians will. They'll say, listen, if your kid doesn't take a vaccine, they're out of here. Oh, yeah. I've seen people fighting. I've seen people talking about that online. Like, you know, I didn't want my kids to have the vaccines and this is how they treated us. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I prescribe blood pressure medicines. If you don't take this blood pressure medicine, I'm throwing you out of my office. Yeah. I mean, this is, it's insane. It's a religion. And how the ideology works is like this, that there's always been historically tremendous fear of infectious diseases and that we're vulnerable. We're vulnerable. through the brilliance of man man and vaccines can improve upon god's creation man outdoes god with vaccines this is very important and because the vaccines aren't perfect we all have to take them and because this is such a a laudable goal for humanity if some people are injured or disabled or died of the vaccine they should take it for the betterment of humanity they should take it for the team it's collateral damage and it's acceptable in the eyes of this vaccine ideology it is a runaway freight train look at the front of our book look at the coin on the front of the book look at the iconography that that's a boy yeah this is a 22 euro coin issued by the vatican that's a boy in the tripartite imagery there's a boy getting a vaccine this coin was issued by the vatican yeah issued by a bank but look at but look at this this is during the pandemic the boy should be receiving the eucharist he should be receiving the body and blood of jesus christ so you're saying but instead he's receiving the vaccine yes so you're saying there's a bigger psychology here of playing god it's a religion the point is it's a religion that's the reason why people can't talk about it that's the reason why doctors are nuts over this that's the reason why there are no lectures about side effects from vaccines no grand rounds no grand rounds we can't talk about it there are people who there are people listening to your show they still can't talk to their relatives about this well now everyone's in a spot where it's like it feels like a lot of people know that it's bullshit but you don't want to bring it up to people because they've probably had the vaccine and you don't want to hurt somebody's feelings well what did i do when i came here i did a quick check did everybody take the vaccine where are we on this because people start to get pretty uncomfortable when we talk about this yeah if you have something swimming in your pool you don't you know and you don't want to admit it but you can't you don't have a net then what you know i'm saying like it's a little bit alarming because you can't well that's the reason why i have you know you're you have the one doctor in the chair right now where i was the first to devise a method to treat covid patients to avoid hospitalization and death mccullough protocol the most widely used early treatment protocol in the world it's been credited with saving tens of millions of lives sparing hundreds of millions of hospitalizations listen harvard could have grabbed this they didn't i did and now i've devised the first detoxification protocol i want to hear about it of what people should do when they've had the infection multiple times or they've taken a vaccine and so now it does only have to be they only took one vaccine or they have to get at least two vaccines listen whether you take the infection whether you've had the infection or you've taken the vaccine you've gotten this spike protein in you so it matters for virtually so even if i never took the vaccine but i got but i i tested that i had antibodies yeah okay you've had some spike protein in you so we've been studying this this is mccullough protocol based spike protein detoxification first published in 2023 peer-reviewed literature and you know after working with every drug under the sun the biden administration spent a billion dollars in this they found no drugs turns out three natural products have a huge impact natokinase bromelain and curcumin natokinase and bromelain are natural products now we use them in high doses medicinal doses but they dissolve the spike protein in the body they help you clear it out curcumin is blocking the inflammatory effects of the spike protein and they're well tolerated in high doses remember most prescription drugs are still natural products they're just in high doses and so this uh protocol was published and then now we've published multiple cases and we have i've experienced in thousands of patients we reliably bring antibodies to the spike protein down and when we can measure spike protein directly that's coming down and patients get better it takes a long time so uh you know it takes probably over a year of taking these i've taken the supplements yeah and how often should they take them what do you have do you have is that one is that it right there this is it so this is the lead product this is from the wellness company uh the ultimate spike detox and this is high dose and this is the ultimate spike detox and this is the ultimate spike detox and this is high dose natokinase bromelain and curcumin we formed a whole company around this well this company is probably one of the greatest success stories out of the pandemic it's now a a global health care company telemedicine nutraceuticals and supplements emergency kits will never get burned again because now we have treatment kits for pandemics and you know i've told people listen i don't think the government's going to save us from the next pandemic but the wellness company will and we continue to uh innovate people need in general they need over a year of this to clear this spike protein out take a look at it how do you decide what supplements are safe and effective enough to put in here and what grades well we have a medical board we had certainly multiple meetings we went through dose ranging once we got to the product we had to go through the federal trade commission so this isn't just some white labeled thing no no this is this is the real deal and so it's all science backed uh and and you know we didn't we intentionally did not we intentionally did not patent this it's copyrighted mainly for the for just accountability but we did not patent it because so many people worldwide need it now have fun are you on amazon go to amazon and type in spike detox i did this before i came there are dozens and dozens of products there are dozens type in spike detox are there any side effects of it yeah so if you're looking most of it is ours but you'll just scroll down you'll see a zillion different products so the bottom line is this tells you people know about the spike protein all this wouldn't be on amazon i agree now listen the doctors are not measuring this in the blood stream the doctors are not talking about spike protein it's not in new england journal medicine or jama but it's all over amazon that should tell you something it's it's absolutely hilarious or that there's a fear of it out there and people are capitalizing on a fear yeah you know that's a fair point i mean it could be that's a fair point now i've looked at hair medicine like hair scalp things over a lot over the years on the internet and i've looked at hair you find articles like this this will help and they set you up with an article and then like even if you even if you don't even go on the link from the article to the product but then you go find the product and then you realize and then i've had things come out like this thing doesn't do anything it was just a but here's the thing natokinase is used by the japanese as a heart supplement because it helps it helps unblock arteries so natokinase is beneficial anyway derived from uh pineapple it's also anti-infective and healthy bromelain is actually used as as a prescription drug in a form of an ointment that's used in deep uh burn wounds and then curcumin is derived from turmeric that's anti-arthritic that's a healthy supplement so bottom line is you know no one's no one's capitalizing because these are three healthy supplements anyway but we have a compelling case to use them in spike detoxification how were you able to test that it well this is perfect for hhs robert f kennedy and his team to do a large prospective double blind randomized placebo controlled trial have they done it yet no have they even called about it no what would what would that trial mean i even mean 20 000 people in each group it would probably be a 50 million dollar trial 100 million dollar trial for sure it should be done i'll be this is it this is it so this is ready to go a lot of people as you can tell by amazon people don't wait if our government hasn't even started thinking about testing it people don't want to wait they're doing it all government's a pack of shit now remember anything that actually works has side effects you you ask the question this is a form of a blood thinner so people can have more easy bruising we tell i just tell them somebody on the way here you know if they start to get nose bleeding or bleeding when they brush their teeth or no yeah so it's a it's a natural product but it's a blood thinner the spike protein causes blood clotting so we have it we have an epidemic of blood clotting so everybody is prone to this i personally took it take it i took it this morning take it on an empty stomach and you know i had measured my spike antibodies and my spike antibodies uh which should be zero but since i had at least uh once proven and probably two other times my spike antibodies were 2300 and the published literature suggests under a thousand you're probably safe you probably cleared it out just residual antibodies i was 2300 my ears are ringing i didn't feel well i went on spike detox it took about a year but i've dropped into 900 amen let's go now the average person who's had taken a vaccine who's got a trouble blood clot heart damage they're at 11 000 and we commonly see people over 25 000 so uh people who are in how can people get checked to see what they're at to know if it's blood test super important let's go to lab corp you can self-order your blood test you should do it yeah i'm getting some blood work done this week actually you should do it go to lab corp okay so now go to um uh individuals and patients so go to more on-demand tests there we go and it's going to be a covid antibody test keep going there we go there click on this this is the test it's 69 okay stop here if you if you get a user id and password right here and you pay 69 use your credit card you pay right here you then the orders at lab corp you can go in there get your test and you'll know that night your number if you're under a thousand you're safe okay if you're above 5,000, you probably got the spike protein in your bloodstream. Okay. And if you're over 10,000 or above, you're in trouble. Yeah. There's about a correlation of about 0.8 to 0.9 of the antibody to the actual spike protein. Soon, there's going to be a direct spike protein test. And we're working hard with companies to do that. But this is a super useful test. Do you know that the Mayo Clinic refuses to order this test? Wow. And so does every other major hospital. If you go in and you say, doctor, I want a COVID test. I want to assess my spike exposure. They'll say, I refuse to do it. So LabCorp got so frustrated, they just offer this to the public. And say, pay 69 bucks, you can self-order your COVID test. Good for them. We've published a whole spike guide on this, how to interpret it. And so like I told you, the average person who took the shot who's in trouble in a paper by Barham and colleagues is 11,000. So my mother-in-law, who's now 93, she lives with us. She took two Pfizer shots because we had to get her out of Canada, because she was older and pandemic and what have you. She's never had a side effect once. No sore arm, nothing. She goes, because I don't know what you're making such a big deal about these COVID shots. There's nothing. And I've been watching her carefully. I'm telling you, she has nothing wrong with her from the COVID shots. I said, I can't believe this. So, and I told you, I was 2,300. I didn't take the shots, but I had the illness. So we checked mama. You know what she was? 200. No wonder she's fine. So the point is, there's probably, easily 85% of people who took the shots, they got basically a dud. They got next to nothing. Got it. They have no antibodies. They never got much exposure to spike and they're fine. The reading that you're looking for, the number that you're looking for coming back, it's what, spike proteins? It's actually the antibody to the spike protein. Okay. So you're looking for the antibody number to the spike protein. Which is- If you're under 1,000, then you're doing fine. If you're 5,000 or up, then you should get checked out. Yeah, you need to get going. Well, you need to get going. You need to get going on, at least on the ultimate spike detox. Got it. You know, once starting the, I've treated thousands of patients. Now, I do have to prescribe some drugs in addition for just certain syndromes. Now, what does that mean? No, I mean, well, what I mean is if there's heart damage, there's another drug I have to prescribe called colchicine. Okay. How do people know if there's heart damage? Well, then, you know, I've published the kind of the leading paper on this called risk stratification. But in general, it's prompted by symptoms, EKG and an ultrasound. I just do that in my office at any standard doctor. But the point is, some people additionally need prescription drugs. But once people are on the detoxification program, and I think I'm the most experienced doctor in the world in treating patients with this condition, I've never seen a new blood clot. I've never seen a cardiac arrest. I've never seen a new problem emerge. Amen. All the people who are emerging with problems now. Oh, I got a blood clot now. Oh, I've got an advanced cancer. Oh, I've got some. They have not done the detox. Got it. So important. It's probably the biggest public health message I can give on this show is, you know, if you just want to play it safe and want some healthy supplements anyway, a lot of people take supplements, they just take it empirically. Take it for a year. And at least a year and extended use if you have underlying heart disease or risk for blood clots or elsewhere. How many a day? Two capsules twice a day, empty stomach. Okay. Best time to take it, I think, is when you get, if you get up at night to use the restroom and your stomach's empty, take it with some water before you go back to bed and just take it on an empty stomach. Got it. I saw a woman yesterday who has a rare genetic condition, but it impairs the nerves. What is it? She was good at parallel parking? That's just an old joke? No, she's actually very bright. She's very successful in her job. She comes in, but her genetic condition, the nerves don't allow the capillaries to open and close correctly. And so she's, she's modeled all over with a pattern called levator reticularis. Doctors and nurses know what I'm talking about. And I saw her walking down the hall because I was getting ready to, you know, have her and her husband come in the office. And I just, she just looked so ill. She looked chronically ill. She's 20 years younger than me. And she said, doctor, I have this genetic condition. And when I took the vaccine, it absolutely ravaged me. And I have intractable, headaches. Look at me. She looked so terrible. The condition is actually called Mitchell's disease, if you'll type in Mitchell's disease. So the point is, but listen to this. When she walked in my office, I did not know what Mitchell's disease was. She came in, I have, I have Mitchell's disease. So what did I do? A smart doctor. I get to a certain point where I said, listen, you know, I have to have you change into a gown because I'm going to get an EKG. While she's changing in the gown, I go on artificial intelligence and I look up Mitchell's disease. In two seconds, I have the answer. In fact, I even have the genetic mutation for Mitchell's disease now known, which is an SCN9A mutation. And I came back in the office and I do the next part. I said, I said, so you have this, this rare disease. It's a mutation of the SCN9A gene that gates a voltage into these nerves. She goes, you're the first doctor who's ever identified that. And I said, you know, it's just, but the point I'm making is that's the power of artificial intelligence. I could have gotten to it. It would have taken forever. For sure. And I got to it. In fact, before I finished, I ordered the correct genetic test on her, which she's never had before. Got her on spike detoxification, ordered the other appropriate labs. And she literally hugged me. She goes, I have never had anybody even pay any attention to me. I'm absolutely miserable at this. And now I can see a pathway. That's the biggest thing people want to. Yeah. They just want you to hear what's going on with them. A lot of times a couple of questions I got to get answers to just so we RFK has been in office for over a year now. Right. As secretary of health and human services. How do you feel like he's done there? Well, you know, he's a friend. What I'd say is this is that if we've learned anything, you mentioned trust is low in the government. The government doesn't treat patients. The government's. And honestly, you're not our caretaker. They're not our doctor. And you probably never asked the question, how is Alex Azar doing? You probably know who he was. He was HHS secretary under Trump. Or how did Beshara do? He was HHS secretary under Biden. You probably never asked that. The only reason why you'd ask about RFK is because you know him and he kind of has a celebrity status. Let me just say constructively what I would do if I was in his job. I think that's probably a better. Thing to say. Yeah. I'm not trying to pitch you like saying something negative. No, but I'll just tell you what I would do. Now, the difference is I'm a doctor with medical authority. Right. That's very different. There's nobody in Washington who has medical authority. There's nobody in Washington that's ever treated a COVID patient, that's ever had an important publication on COVID, ever innovated with a treatment protocol or detoxification. There's no one in Washington with medical authority. Medical authority means I am taking charge and I will handle this medical problem. No one. So if I went to Washington, I would be the only one with medical authority. So what would I do on day one, I would have pulled the COVID vaccines off the market, just pulled them. Say, sorry, I have medical authority, they're not safe, they're gone. It just, that's what it, it's, it's the call, you just make the call. Yeah. It's not a political issue, this is a drug safety issue. So I pull the COVID vaccines off the market, the next thing I do is I'd use the power of the government. The power of HHS and the office to do some very important things. Virtually every major medical center and medical school gets funding from HHS, not only through CMS for medical care, but also from the National Institutes of Health and sometimes the CDC. Every week I'd be having meetings in Washington saying there's a mandatory meeting, send your dean or your chief medical officer, your chief of medicine, whatever, to Washington, and we're going to have a review of. You know, lessons learned in the pandemic. Which hospital had the best treatment protocols, which one didn't, which had the lowest mortality, which didn't. Vaccine safety, this is what we're seeing with the vaccines, it's the reason why we're pulling them off the market. In fact, you could actually call rapid meetings and say, listen, we're going to go over the data and we want to gain a consensus before we tell the public we're pulling them off the market. We want to make sure you got your buy-in on this. And use the power of the meeting to, you know, when you call a meeting and they happen all the time. I called Bethesda meetings in the last two administrations, they literally haven't had any. But we go to Washington, you have all kinds of experts from academia, from the FDA, CDC, NIH, industry, you have public citizens, there's an agenda, you raise some issues, you basically vet them, gain a consensus, drive policy. That's the process. So I'd be doing this every week. When it came to diet, for sure I would have done that. I would have had all the dietetic societies, American Heart Association, and what I would do in that office is I would get the medical orthodoxy on my side. I wouldn't write policy with just a handful of assistants because there's a million doctors out there, there's a half a million nurse practitioners and PAs, there's 5,600 hospitals, 2,200 acute care hospitals. I mean, come on, the medical industry is too big and it's too strong. You can't do anything in Washington without the medical community. That's what I would do. And you can make it mandatory. So listen, if you want to get your money your CMS funding, your NIH funding, you better show up here. And I would do it for topic after topic. Food dyes, fluoride. I'd go through childhood vaccines. I'd go through the whole thing and just use Washington as a convening and talk about make America healthy again. If we had somebody with that type of leadership skills and that type of vision, oh my gosh, healthcare in the United States could be dramatically turned around. Do you think that the lobbies that are there now and the big pharma and the cabal that's out there now, do you think it, what's its end goal for us? Does it, do you feel like? Well, you know, in our first book, we outlined this biopharmaceutical complex. It's powerful and it has the medical societies with it. Remember I mentioned the smoke fest and this great problem with smoking among doctors. Do you know, the American Medical Association was fully on board with smoking. They were getting tobacco lobby money and it wasn't until 1978 before they have the first pamphlet come out on this. Wow. You know, 28 years after the evidence shows cancer, lung cancer, smoking causes lung cancer. After everybody made their, made a buck, huh? Yeah. So here, let's just take vaccines as an example. Well, you got the American College of Pediatrics. You've got the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, American Medical Association. I mean, this is a freight train. They all are fully in lockstep on these vaccines. And so the lobby is, is very tight and they're told, they're, they're, I guarantee non-physicians in Washington are told, don't you flinch on these vaccines. If you do, polio is coming back. Right. And it's going to be on you. Well, I'll tell you a story. This, this is one, one reason why this stuff like is always been interesting to me is because I grew up in a community where Tulane University, they had their primate testing facility center in our town. Yeah. And it's where they helped develop the polio vaccine. Right. And they found out at one point that the vaccine that they created was going to also could cause cervical cancer in women. And they, but they'd already made so much of the vaccine that they still gave it out to women. They, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I think I was like, literally grew up in this environment where I was like, I was like, I was like, I was growing up in this environment where there was always these like weird mysteries and things going on. Um, uh, Lee Harvey Oswald went to the same middle school that I went to, which was kind of wild. Um, so there was just always like this, this allure in our area of like, uh, I don't know if it's conspiracy because now every conspiracy theory ends up being right about two years later. You probably read the book, right? That Mr. Dr. Mary's monkeys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that took place, you know, but it was just interesting to me that cause all, all I'd heard about was this cures polio, but then also it helps. Cause serve, it can contribute to causing cervical cancer in women. So it just made me think out of the gate, like how reliable is what we're doing? That's something I've always asked. We should, you know, always trust, but verify, understand what we're doing now, um, is very, very likely to change in the future. Uh, do you know, most of the drugs I use now didn't even exist when I went to medical school. Wow. So we, we get rid of old drugs. We use newer, better drugs. You know, we should have constant drug improvement. We should have constant vaccine improvement. We talked about the measles vaccine. That's a great point. The measles vaccine has not been improved since the 1960s. It's like, what? That's crazy, dude. It's nuts. I mean, there's been no improvement. And one of the reasons why is the 1986 vaccine injury compensation act, which gave immunity to any liability to the company. They couldn't face any lawsuits, right? Right. So the companies have no incentives to make better, safer products. And not only not to make better ones, but to save probably money on whatever they're currently manufacturing anyway, because that's the way that business works a lot of times. Um, why do you think that no politician wants to tackle big pharma for real? You know, it's always this thing that's kicked around, but it's, I mean, it's, it's, but no one really does anything. Well, remember they don't want to touch healthcare. Remember no politician wants to touch Medicare, Medicaid, um, drug, drug companies, big pharma vaccines. Why don't they want to touch healthcare? The reason being is that healthcare is about 17% of the gross domestic national product. We spend more on GDP and healthcare than any other country. It's big business. Do you know that hospitals are the leading employer in most middle and smaller towns? Uh, healthcare is the leading employer of, um, single mothers. Healthcare is so big. We spend so much money taking care of each other. It's literally, it's a behemoth. And people are afraid to touch it because it's such a political hot potato. You do anything that looks like you're anti-healthcare, anti-vaccine, anti-drug company, anti-nurses or anti-doctors, you're going down. You're not getting reelected. I mean, and if you're a regular person, it's like, you won't even work. If 17% of our GDP is going through that canal, it's like a lot of people would be afraid to speak up because they wouldn't even be able to work. Oh, I'm wrong. It's 18.5. Healthcare spending accounting for about 18.5% of US GDP in 2025. Um, if we can't change it, how do you avoid big pharma? Do you feel like, you know, um, I've been impressed in the last six years and I'm constantly collaborating and I've always done this my entire life. So I, I'm literally out of the medical orthodoxy. Now I used to, you know, I, I was, I was the named endowed professor at lecture in Harvard in 2019. Harvard hasn't invited me back. You know, I was a full professor of medicine where I was in Dallas, Texas. Um, so I'm now actually working with naturopathic and, and holistic and other doctors. And, uh, one of them is particularly impressed me where he said, listen, he said, it's nature first drugs last. So try to find natural solutions. And if you're willing to do this, that means you probably will be taking more supplements or vitamins that you, than you normally would. It probably means you'll buy it and exercise than you normally would, but you are intentionally not going to have a reliance on drugs. Yeah. Yeah. And have some responsibility for ourselves. Yeah. I mean, it almost did. I get to the point in my life where it feels gross, even like, I mean, recreational drugs now that's different, but if I just have to take a pill for something or it just, it feels so cringed to me now, even opening a pill bottle, it just feels like it has such a sour taste in the world. I don't know what to do with it these days. Um, but it also saves people's lives. There's also a lot of great medicines out there. Well, let me ask you this. What percent of people make it to age 80 perfectly healthy without relying on any drugs? Probably none. About 10%. It's possible. Okay. It's possible. I'm not one of them. I'm 63 years old. I've had high blood pressure since age 25. I mean, life-threatening high blood pressure. I can't live without taking a blood pressure pill. So I'm not going to make it. This helps. I'm not going to make it. Yeah. Well, I take, I take some natural products as well, but the point is I have people come to my office saying, doc, I don't want to take any medicines. I had somebody like that yesterday. He's already had a heart attack. He has stents in his coronary artery. I said, well, we're going to do the best we can with the natural products. But you know, I got to tell you, if I was you, I would take the prescription drugs. A lot of prescription drugs are natural anyway. And they're just, they're just in It's over the counter, but it's a drug. It's derived from the bark of birch trees. Hydroxychloroquine, which we used in COVID, but we use for malaria and for rheumatoid arthritis. That's derived from the bark of a chinchona tree. Ivermectin is derived from the soil in Japan. It's produced by another organism. Why those two drugs specifically hydrochloroquine and ivermectin got such a bad rap. If you read Bobby Kennedy's book about Dr. Fauci, it kind of, it lays out how some of that was sort of like pre-planned, how it was, how it was lobbied against in certain environments. It was taken off the shelves. When you look back on those two medicines, what are your thoughts about them? You know, I think that those who really, really were involved in pandemic planning, even in the Johns Hopkins 2017 sparse pandemic training exercise, there was a drug. Proposed and it was going to generate confusion. And in the planning exercise, they kill the drug to feature the vaccine. That was in 2017 in the open. I think it was essentially in people's minds to say, listen, don't allow any drugs to play a role here. We want to feature mass vaccination as the principle. So, so hydroxychloroquine killed in the first year. Second year, ivermectin killed. We had IV monoclonal antibodies, high-tech, high-tech, high-tech, high-tech. Operation Warp Speed, they were safe and effective. I used them like crazy. They were taken off the market rapidly, six in a row taken off the market. Colchicine, super useful. Again, natural product, but it's a prescription drug. It was absolutely suppressed and crushed. Corticosteroids were, were a great confusion over those. They were suppressed. Vitamin D, crushed. Eric Neputi, who ran a company, the Federal Trade Commission sued him and his company personally. Nasal sprays and gargles, very well in reducing the viral burden. Nate Jones at Clear personally and his company was sued by the Federal Trade Commission. Trade Commission. He was crushed. For what? What was he crushed for? For creating them? He was crushed for proposing that we could use them in the pandemic. People forget so quick. Remember, have you mentioned anything? Everybody was against you. It could be your neighbor. It was like the news channels, this guy disagrees. Except the vaccine. You weren't crushed if you said the vaccine's the answer. Oh, for sure. But it's interesting. That was in the minds of people. So nasal sprays and gargles, vitamin D, other forms of nutraceuticals, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, colchicine, corticosteroids. The entire McCullough protocol was crushed. It didn't matter if it was cheap generic or expensive, high tech. That told you there was some type of delusion about the vaccine being the only approach. Remember, Paxlovid, the oral drug that comes in, comes in two years into the pandemic. In the first year, all we really had was McCullough protocol and hydroxychloroquine. The second year, we really had McCullough protocol and ivermectin. So it got so bad, the FDA put out flagrantly false information about ivermectin on its website and on Twitter, all over. Misleading information. The FDA is sued by three doctors. And this goes through court proceedings. And finally, the FDA says, we'll take down our false information. Why is our FDA, putting out false information on ivermectin? It was hurting people. I'm telling you as a doctor, and again, I have the authority to make this call. I've used it. I've looked at all the clinical trials. I understand clinical trials very well. I'm telling you, ivermectin is safe and effective. I mean, I've done a lot of drugs over the years. I'd do a little probably. Was there anybody who was immune to any genetics or demographics or cultures that were immune to ivermectin? There were a few papers indicating that children were largely immune, that they had a lot of cross exposure with other coronaviruses, almost no serious cases in children. There was an occasional child with cystic fibrosis or some problem who got really sick, but children largely immune. School teachers, because they have so much, there was no significant spread of serious illness from children to the school teachers. But no, was there any like, was there any like a Norwegian person couldn't get it? Or was there like somebody, somebody from Zimbabwe? Like, was there any like a. There's one adult group, you're going to laugh, but there's one adult group, no specific ethnicity or culture, but you're going to laugh, smokers. Smokers couldn't get it? They got it, very mild cases. And they don't get long COVID. You know why? Why? Because smokers maintain a level of nicotine in the bloodstream. They maintain a level of nicotine in the bloodstream. As it's interfacing with a nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, smoking blocks the spike protein. It's amazing. I thought smokers were going to go down. Well, who knows now then all those years of this, all those smoking advertisements ended up probably saving people's lives 40 years later. Well, you know what we use now use, we use a nicotine patch, seven milligram patch, even in non-smokers to help them through long COVID. We use it in addition to the McCulloch protocol. We use it in addition to the nicotine patch, even in non-smokers to help them through long COVID. I've seen people recommend that people should just be on nicotine of like a take a nicotine patch. Do you think that's a good idea? It's on a regular basis or is that just. I think if they have long COVID, I recommended to a patient yesterday, if they have long COVID symptoms, nicotine, don't forget is a nootropic. A nootropic is a drug that does make the brain function more effectively. It's a methylxanthine. It's related to caffeine. Caffeine does the same thing as a nootropic. So some people use nicotine little packets or what have you. I grew up in Texas. So, you know, there were kids were dip snuffing. Oh, yeah. We used to chew that plug tobacco. Right. My dad was a chain smoker, but nicotine itself is not, it's addictive, but it's not harmful to the human body. And so is, by the way, caffeine's addictive, but it's not harmful to human body. What's harmful is the tars that's in tobacco and smoke. And so you might even use the dip snuff that's related to oral cancer, but now the purified forms of nicotine, my understanding is that they're safe. The nicotine patches are perfectly safe. And there you go. Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. Right before we started, I heard you say that the past like six years have been very exciting in your life, right? Because it seems like, does it feel like now that you have more of a sense of purpose that you've kind of been put at the pinnacle of this, like being somebody to raise their hand about, hey, is this safe for us? Often people look back, like you look like at, uh, at movies that, that like champion a certain person. And at first that person was ridiculed and ostracized, you know, that's always the story, but it's so crazy. And then at the end, they're the champion. And we lulled them as being like, thank God they brave the Rapids and they did this. But then we'll see somebody in our present lives who are trying to do the same thing. And whether they're right or wrong, sometimes it's like, I'm always like, that person's trying to do something different, right? Like that person is speaking against the grain. How don't you think of all the movies that we've seen where it's like, that's the beginning of the story. Um, so I know that like the last six years of your life have been wild. You said that, um, what did you mean when you said that? And if you just felt a lot more of a sense of purpose, um, do you feel more support now than you did in the beginning? Tell me, tell me some of that before we get you out of here. And thank you so much. The last six years of my life called essentially adopt an entirely new area of medicine, which is infectious diseases and, you know, specifically the pandemic and everything about it, but is also in a sense, thrust me into the public limelight as a, as a figure. And you'll be the first one to tell people I didn't ask to come on your show. No, no, not at all. And I didn't ask, I didn't ask to go on Joe Rogan and, and I didn't ask to go testify in the U S Senate. I'm being called to play a role in this enormous controversy that's unfolded in the world. And sadly, people did die of the infection and even more people have died of the vaccine now. And we still haven't seen this whole story unfold. There seems to be a group think a madness that we saw evolve regarding fear, masks, lockdowns, hand sanitizer, vaccines. We don't know what's coming next, but I can tell you this infectious group think it does occur among doctors and nurses and healthcare professionals. I think they're very susceptible to this. Something has happened in the human mind and we need, we need to have a lot more discussion on this. We have to be able to, to, um, call meetings and have people come together. If our government can do anything, they just have to be able to bring together the orthodoxy, the, the, the, the, those who are the innovators and the thinkers outside. Remember in the time of a controversy and a crisis, the answer never comes from within the establishment. Never, never. Previously, the establishment for, for centuries and centuries was the church. And when there's a crisis, the church didn't provide a solution. You can tell governments all over the world did not provide a solution to the pandemic. But individuals did. Unfortunately, a wellness company, we got like-minded people. We formed an entire company. We've been very successful. Um, but here we are. So I must have been called to play a role in this time of great controversy. And it's been so great to be on your show. Yeah. Dr. McCullough, thank you so much. And thank you so much for just being brave enough to speak up and to think out loud. Like that's what we, you know, it's like so many times during this conversation, I've just realized like how we slowly just get like molded up. Like kind of folded into the batter. We don't even realize it, you know? So, um, yeah. Thank you so much for joining us today. Uh, yep. 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