#642 - James Li

I want to let you guys know I'll be in Jacksonville, Florida, um, preparing for my, uh, comedy special taping. That's March 13th and 14th, uh, with two shows on the 14th. Get your tickets only at thiovon.com/tour, um, it's return of the rat. It's still, I know that you, like this rat has returned so many times, but I've just got to, uh, I got to make sure everything is, um, run and smooth for the special that has been so far. Um, excited to get down there. Reminder, guys, that you can get video versions of our episodes now on Spotify as well. Today's guest is an independent journalist, uh, he's a content creator. He has his own show, 5149 that's on YouTube, um, we got into a lot, um, grateful to sit down today with Mr. James Lee. Good as I'm a look today, dude, I'm, yeah, I thought about wearing the bucket hat, but I'm like, I gotta switch up the hats, you know what I'm saying? I always, usually I'm wearing the bucket hat, do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. I always wore this beekeeper's hat that I got. Yeah. Yeah. Whitney Cummings one night at the comedy store, I think she was going through something and she gave me a full beekeeper's outfit. Really? Yeah. For no reason. It was like, she's like, I got something for you. And then she went and got a beekeeper's full, like beekeepers outfit out of her trunk or whatever. The last beekeeper scene I saw was like, from that movie, Bagonia, did you see that movie? I haven't seen it yet. Is it good? Like, really? Like really dark? Like, I'm like, this, that was not ready for this, that was, that was not it. Like you mean perversion or sensuality or like, what are you talking about, dark? It's just like, I mean, the plot line, just like, humanity, just like the, the, what are they called? They're trying to do like cultural commentary. Okay. And so I'm like, wow, this is not a, it's like, because I deal in it all day long. So I'm like, I don't need a movie, I like my movies to be like chill. Right. Yeah. Like, I don't know what that is. I'm just thinking about other African countries. Yeah. It's crazy because there's like, Madagascar and then there's Hotel Verwanda. So that's the only thing, like Africa, it gives you like, some polar opposites. If you pick the wrong African area, off of your, you know, to, you know, I've never been in Africa. Well, they're actually, can I tell you this story before we get going? Yeah, for sure. A real quick story. Okay. So James Lee. Good to see you today. And is it Lee? Yes. Okay. Good. James Lee. Tell me your story. I'm going to ask you a question. Okay. So just quick story before we start. I just have to tell you the story. Okay. So this is like a few years ago. Me and my buddies were in Europe. We're on this Euro trip. And this is like two of my best friends. And this is like the type of people you meet at your first job. Like, it's a really, really shitty job where you're like, we're literally like call center with the headset, everybody's yelling us all day. So we're like, Hey, one day when we get out of here, we're going to go to Europe. Yeah. And we're going to do this Euro trip type of thing like the movie. And we did do that. So finally, a few years and years later, we had a chance to do that. And we were just going out and partying every single night. And what country? This is in like Spain and Portugal. But after like seven to ten days of this, we're like, dude, I think my liver is shutting down. Like, we have to stay in for a night. Like, we're going to die here. So then we stayed in. And that night. So we're just scrolling around whatever it was like Netflix or some, some streaming thing that I don't, I don't remember. And that night we ended up binge watching the show called deal with it. Do you remember that show? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was a host on it. Yeah. No, that's, that's I had to tell you the story. Oh, that's we literally watch like ten episodes of deal with it. How stolen were you guys? I mean, I don't like a scared person in that picture, that's crazy. And so, so then we made a pact right there. We're like, Hey, if anybody starts doing weird shit, like you just got to go with it for a little while, like just, just see what happens. You know, don't shut it down right away, but I, but now it's, so it's a full circle moment from like many years ago. I was like watching the show. That was my first introduction to Theo Vaughn was this show. I don't know how proud of you are on the work on the show, but it was very, it saved my life. Oh, yeah. It helped you off the. Yeah. Off the streets of. Yeah, that's beautiful, some beautiful streets they have there too, though. They do. It's been so nice. But dude, no, the show was fun. I didn't have much input. I was kind of the tough part. Like you were just kind of like screwing around. And then I also just realized, I look like that lesbian lady from a, what's that band they sing? Like, um, life is a highway. Oh, the rascal flats. Yes. I looked like that lesbian lady from rascal flats actually pulled me back up. I was not aware there was a lesbian lady in rascal flats, and I made that true to say that. Yeah. Pull her up. Pretty close. Huh? Oh. I mean, oh, there is not a lady in rascal. I was not a lady in rascal flats. I was like, is that the lesbian? Is that what you want? I don't know. Dude, my bad. I have no, I think I think I have to get to somebody else, dude. Whatever. All right. Okay. Anyways. That was like the first time I ever saw who you were. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Um, I don't know how far along in your career at that point that was, but that was probably 13 years into my career, probably. And, um, yeah, how we man, don't get me a job there. And thank you so much, Allie. It was fun. Yeah. For people who don't didn't watch the show. It was like, it was like a hidden camera show where there's like contestants. And then one of them has like an earpiece and you're telling them what to do. And the other person has to like go along with it. Right. It's like, Hey, floss at the, at the, at the restaurant, you know, table. Yes. And then like, go eat somebody else's food and there's these challenges that you would have to pass. And if you make it, if the other person is like dealing with it, then I would earn money. Yeah. And so that's when me and my buddies were like, all right, Hey, man, just just in case we're in that situation, you just go with it for a long time. I can't believe he has stayed in watch that, but yeah, you'd find his two strangers walking on the street. You'd already pre set up at a, at a restaurant. Was that real though? Or was it where the contestants really like, Hey, I wanted those two people? Or were they like pre screened and then we would pick people that were just kind of going in or coming by you. A lot of times you try to get people and they wouldn't, they just wouldn't understand or one of you. Yeah. You'd always want them to go to the bathroom. And then you'd go ask the other person who's at the table like, Hey, will you be on this game? So we're doing a game showing here today. Yeah. And so it was a lot of craziness. The craziest thing that ever happened on the show was one time there was a couple walking on the street and we invited them in because you, you'd be like, Hey, well, we're giving them way free appetizers or something. So they come and sit down and then one of them go to the restroom and that's when we'd ask the other one, Hey, we're going to put an earpiece in your ear. We're going to start telling you things to do. If you're a friend that you're here with when they come back from the bathroom, you know, if they don't notice that you're doing weird shit, like the more you can get them to deal with the more money you make. Yeah. Okay. But one time it was, so we put the earpiece in this lady's ear. The guy going to the restroom, he comes back and sits down and the guy was a pimp and she was a working girl. Really? And she starts doing this crazy shit and the pimp starts getting like threatening this lady like, I'm going to whoop y'all out like, and we're like, this is like, this isn't going well really. And it did not, that episode didn't air right? No. And that's when we should have aired. Oh, you know, that's in the vault somewhere, maybe how we can pull that back up or what. I mean, every while if you did, oh, I think if we aired the ones that did an air, they'll be pretty wild. But yeah, there was definitely some, there was like some ridiculous moments on there that were pretty great. But that was one of the wildest ones and we just had to shut it down because it was like an endangerment to the lady or something. Yeah. But anyway, James Lee, good to see you. Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show. Appreciate it, man. I appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. You live in, do you say where you live, California? Yes. I mean, I tell you, I live in San Diego. That's as bad as specific as I'll get, you know? Yeah. Thanks for coming on, man. You like just in some clips online, I was like, yeah, look at this like investigator, you know? I feel like a lot of investigators now and a lot of people are getting kind of their news from guys like you, Nick Shirley, Hassan Piker, Candace Owens clips. I just feel like it's becoming a lot more from social clips that people even get their news. For sure. And I would, I would even say that I'm not like an investigator, I think is like really generous of what I do. I like to expose rich and powerful people, but there's like a, there's like a network of investigators like we're all leaning on each other to like somebody's find something I'm like, oh, that's great. I'm going to put that in my video. So there's, there's like a lot of information sharing that goes on. So I don't want to take credit for being like, you know, a guy that's like in, you know, there's like real, real investigators that are literally like point through like document after document. Right. And sometimes I'll do that, but it's just like, it's just me. So I don't have the resources to be able to do that a lot of time. So it's like there's like a collective network of like decentralized journalists or creators that's a good space. Yeah. Decentralized journalists. Yeah. Yeah. Like we don't work for one particular news organization. Of course. So like we all have our own editorial freedom. But there's like alignment in terms of we want to just expose rich and powerful people. Yeah. Or like, that feels like your, like sort of your theme is the exposure of the elites elites or businesses. Right. I talk a lot about private equity and how they're basically buying up all the houses or they're taking over. you know, certain industries like the hospital industry or I did one recently that was on there buy in there's a private equity company buying all the sports rinks in in the Northeast and because they want to make more money they were making rules in their contract when you sign your kids like it's like youth hockey it's not like elite you know hockey it's like kids playing hockey and they're assigning making the parents sign this contract saying you can't film your kids while they play hockey because they want you to sign up for this $50 a month subscription service that they own that they want to like is that if you want footage of your kids playing hockey you got to sign up for this oh like it's a max prep thing or something like a it's like it's like it's a company called black bear sports black bear sports group and they own a ton of ice rinks in the northeast yeah this one right here wow they banned parents from recording kids hockey we changed that okay so yeah this is so that I I saw this article I'm like I got to blow this up right because a lot of people aren't going to read this article right so then yeah I feel like it's my responsibility to say hey this is a big deal because this is just them price-gouging parents like you're taking a moment of joy from these parents like they just want to you know you want to get practice yeah you're watching him exactly and then now you want to pay while that and make them sign up for $50 a month which is like more expensive than you know Netflix and all these other companies so you're basically like taking advantage of their parents loves it's like yes of course we want our kids you know record of our kids scoring a goal so I'm gonna pay for that but it's like is that good is that you know is that the right thing to do yeah like at what point is there do we decide hey we don't need to make a dollar off of this right there's an actual human value here that's worth more than some ownership or that's worth more than like the rights to something and then how weird is it once you start giving away the rights to film your own kids and then it's right you know like how long before a drone is in the sky and if you want footage your kid playing in your yard you have to you know email the drone and pay a fee to get a certain clip of your child on a swing because if you pull your own phone out in your backyard it won't work anymore because you didn't pay a subscription fee you know I'm saying you just sounds dystopian it sounds dystopian but where we're getting now sounds dystopian um you know in some places anyway and in some ways for sure how did you get into kind of let's say investigative journalism like what spurned you to become someone who kind of wanted to expose hmm so you want like I can give you like a short version or like a slightly longer version because okay so I'll I'll I'll try to make it succinct as possible so like many so this is like when I was a kid growing up I was I think I was in a lot of elementary school my mom asked me hey what do you want to do when you grow up and I said teacher it's like what and I said yeah and he said why and I said well summer rakes no and no but that wasn't so so like for me that was the joke reason but really I love just like I have this natural curiosity for things I love learning about stuff and I love telling other people about stuff so like that's to me that's a teacher like what I do right now is like teaching in a sense of like I'm reading you know basically like one chapter ahead and then I'm learning about stuff like wow this is really cool I want to share that with the world and hopefully you can use that information to better your life that's that's my hope I never obviously did that I worked a bunch of different things um and like I was saying I was working at call center just just random startups I didn't go anywhere so then maybe about 10 years ago I was talked into applying to business school so then I went to um NYU I went to the full-time MBA program at NYU you live in New York cool it was cool I mean it was cool for a little I actually didn't like living in New York it was like just too too much for me like the stimulus was it's a lot yeah it was better back then now I go back I go back probably a couple times a year because I still have friends out there and I visit them and when I go there now I'm like well this is like sensory overload from me at this point um but anyway so I went to a business school and I actually wrote my essay because that was when I was applying to business school is when Bernie first started running this 2016 campaign from president and I was a big Bernie guy and that's when I first learned I'm like oh wow the Democratic party is not so democratic like I'm sure you know some of the stories about him getting screwed over by the DNC and they got railroad he wants some primaries and then they pulled him out they pulled him out well they well they they gave like for example they they gave hairlery like access to the the debate questions ahead of time they were rigging all the rules against Bernie just like and then they were creating smear campaigns that originated from the DNC like the Bernie bros that was like a DNC manufactured smear campaign to say all Bernie Sanders is racist and a sexist that came from the DNC themselves that wasn't like an outside group saying that it could be it's like it was never an official DNC because nobody said it was an official DNC country it was a leak that came out later on that said oh yeah they wouldn't I wouldn't I would not be surprised I mean either way his his own party railroad and his own party did not give him no yeah people wanted him and they did not give the people they want which is really the most that was I mean that was the race that we're supposed to have like that was that's one thing that makes me sad it's like we're supposed to have like the populist right Trump populist left Bernie that was supposed to be the election yeah and that was going to be like that would imagine that fight right there that would have been that's what the soul of America is all about it said the Democrats got like the most establishment candidate Hillary Clinton nobody wanted her anyway so around that time I was going I was applying to business school so I'd seen all that happen so I wrote my essay going to business school I was like hey I want to work in the news business because I want to improve you know the the way we report the news and so I went to business school so immediately I got in there they're like I don't think you're gonna be a good job at a news agency because you don't have any experience so why don't you do consulting instead apparently anybody can be in consultant that's true and so so they're yeah no seriously I was like I have no another's background so like credit to consulting firms like if you go to the right school they will hire you as long as you know you do well in the the interviews and things like that so I became a consultant management consultant for four and a half five years at a big four consulting firm and it just so I was coincidentally so then COVID hit like a maybe a year after I started working and consulting and it just so happened that I was working for a big pharma client at the time and so COVID big awakening for I think a lot of us I mean for me for many other people because at first I was like one of the people who was okay I was like all right we got to stay inside we got to lock down we got to stop the spread right who doesn't want to start I was like I'll start yeah let's stop the spread let's do that and then it was then the mass and then eventually the vaccines but then over the next course like maybe a year year and a half things started coming out that was like weird it was like what the heck is this like they seem to be contradicting themselves and you had that whole Joe Rogan debacle of the Iver Mecton when they said it was horse pace when there's like a human version of it that obviously he's not taking the veterinary medicine for sure so then I saw it but then I was on the inside I was literally like okay something weird's going on and then I got to do so this is the year I think it was like 2022 right at the beginning 22 so you're working for a big pharma company at the time as a consultant as a consultant yeah my specialization was supply chain so I was doing projects like optimizing inventory so it's like how much product you have based on how much you're going to sell and how much you're making because you want to have the right amount right if you have too much it's going to be there's going to be leftover it's going to expire you're going to have to throw it away yeah if it's not enough then you know you run out of stock and you can't make money right so you have to have the perfect amount so that was that was my job and and a lot of it was like making PowerPoint you know spreadsheet PowerPoint work yeah and so then we did this project at the beginning of 2022 for this big pharma client I can't say which one for legal reasons but it was one of the manufacturers of the COVID-19 vaccine and one of the projects that we did was looking at the totality of the inventory they had within this product and we came into them with the with the with the report saying that by the end of this year and this is so this is once again 2022 so then everybody who wanted to get the vaccine taken it by this point it was because 2021 is where it came out it's about a year after that people had already gotten their first couple doses and so we we let them know it's like hey it looks like you're going to have a few hundred dollar or sorry few hundred million dollars worth of inventory at the very least depending on how you calculate it could be more worth more than that that's going to be left over the end of the year that has no demand against it meaning you're not going to be able to sell it nobody's buying it and then a few weeks later you're going to have product left on the shelves you can have well yeah exactly nobody's buying this and then a few weeks later I see the CEO of this company gone to CNBC or one of these news you know companies new shows and he says well I think it's time to do like another booster shot and so then to me I was like holy fuck this is this whole thing is is I can't do this anymore I was like I'm out so they created the booster because oh we have extra leftover of course I mean people say that but then they'll call you a conspiracy theorist saying that because they're saying no they're scientific backing to this and that but I'm on the inside I'm like this doesn't look this is it seems like a pure financial decision Magellan was a conspiracy theorist wasn't he what for going around the world no yeah who's the guy that prophesied that there was another place to go to sail to well Columbus was the guy that said the world is round and I'll go the other way right people going one direction I think I can get around to the other side that was Columbia oh yeah Columbus that's the original reach around right there yeah first of all let's just say that dude but at that point I I thought man I think I'm contributing to evil and I don't want to do to do this anymore. - Wow. - And eventually I got out. There's a whole story of like me getting let go because I was saying, I started getting more rogue at work, you know, it's just like saying stuff you're not supposed to say. - Oh yeah. - There's a milling around the water cooler. - Well, to life powerful, you know the elites of the company, you know, the people were really high up. And I started saying stuff that was like, I think it was correct, but it was uncomfortable from them to here. - Yeah. - And then I get brought into like a meeting. It's like, hey, do you know what's your feature look like here at this company where do you see yourself, that kind of thing. And then I was put on a performance improvement plan shortly thereafter, people who know, yeah, people who work in corporate America will know what that is, right? It's basically their way of firing somebody without legal - Right, they try to show that they're steps. - Yeah, they say like, oh, we're not firing this person for any other reason other than poor performance. Except, you know, they said I was doing like typos. It was like, really. - First of all, what Asian is doing typos? - I mean, they're hard to make it racial. - There are typos. - I'm not going to say there aren't typos. Or sometimes there were typos. - Yeah. - But. - But that's more of a, that's certainly more of a general Caucasian problem. - You talking about Epstein with the typos on the emails? Or? - Oh, that's a good point, huh? Like the whole thing is typos. - He didn't even want to commit to it. You know, completing a word, you know? - Yeah, it was very bizarre. I mean, this is getting off track, but it's very bizarre how he typed, it was like, there's commas, but then there's three spaces after that. - Yeah, well it's like, it's almost like you wanted to show that if the case they were trying to show this, it wouldn't match up with anything else, you know? And that's when you're in such a state of like, protecting yourself and like, outsmarting the world. So then, at what point do you start, 'cause you started making clips first and then you started at 5149 that's your podcast. - So I started, so when COVID hit, I actually just started doing videos on YouTube, just 'cause I had more time on my hands and I was just like, oh, let me look into some of this stuff. So I started doing like, one video a week on the weekends. I was just like, yeah, there's shitty videos. There are still a lot of people who can look for them. They're not very good, but it's just me looking into stuff. So then, after that, I started doing more and more of that - Pointing stuff on. - Yeah, making content, so I was on YouTube and then I started posting on TikTok and then Instagram. - And Rogan shared something here as I mentioned at one time. Yeah, he shared something, it was actually a really funny clip because I was wearing my bucket hat and like, I think it was like Shane Gillis or somebody. He was like, yo, oh, that's the clip right there, yeah. Let's see it. - What were you pressed for? - Don't trust us. - The guy with the fishing hat is not a reliable source. - Number one source of news. - Maybe looks like a movie. - What I said, Jay, yesterday, you wanna get mad? - Yeah. - Let's get mad. - The LA Fire Fund, you know, they had this big, so big fundraiser, they raised $100 million. James Lee did a thing about it on Instagram. The way they distribute the money is so crazy. You're gonna read this and you're never gonna want to donate to charity again. - Listen to this. - I watched it, I would look into it a little bit. We'll watch it, but what they say, though, is that within the first month they distributed half of that money. - Hold on, before you press put on this. - Don't trust us. - Yeah, that's awesome, though. But I remember this, I remember like, "Oh, so this guy's catching on." People are curious about this guy. People are adapting to, I think, what they feel like is genuine, even if it's just genuine curiosity. I think people are, you know, there's something inside of you that will attract to it, right? And people also, I think they're truth seekers. It's like, you know, water seeks like a comfortable level. So it's like, that's how people work kind of finding you and being like, "Oh, well, there's something here that's real, you know?" - Well, for me, I'm literally like the definition of a person who is just a regular guy. I don't think I'm too, like smarter than regular people. I was like a decent student, but never the top student. Like, I'm not a, I'm not a good reader. But what I'd had was this kind of like curiosity. And one thing that I do think I'm good at is like just recognizing patterns of like this, this, this, this, and I'm like, "Oh, these kind of all fit together." It's like there's like a logical pattern that's happening here. And so I'm just a little definition of a guy who imagine just like, "Hey, we're gonna make you like an anchor in the news." Like, and then you're gonna be able to say whatever you want. And that's just me. So like, I have no editorial sort of control from other people. It's like, whatever I'm interested, I'll do a video on that. And there's nobody really to tell me you can't do this. Or you can't do that. Other than, of course, like getting to platformed. - Right. - Which happened. - Yeah, which did happen, but other than, yeah. - Happen recently on TikTok. - Yeah. - We'll come back to why that happened. - If I could go back in time and do one thing, I think I would invest. That's what I would have done. At the time, I didn't know, I felt like I didn't know enough. I don't have enough information. Or I don't know how to get the right information. What do I, you know, I don't know where to start. But I wish I just realized that a lot of investing is just time in the market. So many of us focus only on where our money is today. 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That's the same thing that happened in Maui. A fire was put out. The police stayed there all night with it. Thought it was out. They waited there all night until like I think until like two four a.m. or something and then they went home. They said there's nothing left in the morning. The winds kicked up and that's when it got to another level. Anyway, and Gavin Newsom was saying stuff like, oh, we can't couldn't have done that because of a vegetation. There's like some environmental reason why they couldn't go back in. It was like kind of bullshit. So now the state's getting sued because they're culpable for it. And they even said, this is like a couple weeks after the fire. It started the deputy fire chief said, there's no way this big fire was started from the other fire because we put that fire. That fire was dead out. And now it's not dead out. Spencer Pratt has been really big on this in terms. He's running for mayor of LA and he's all over this. Yeah. I'm seeing that. So who says the small fire calls the big fire and who says it didn't. So what do we know? What really happened? Yeah. We know there's now there's now evidence that definitely came from from the first fire. So now the state is getting sued by I can't remember who the I don't know. Because what do they do? Well, what they did was they it was negligent because they didn't follow the procedures to put out the fire because they knew that they were still smoldering. I think there's records of this. They couldn't go in for vegetative reasons or whatever it is. And so now they're in trouble because now the damage that's been caused to the entire Palisades community. Yes. There it is. One year ago, just after midnight on New Year's Eve, a small bridge fire broke out in Topanga State Park above the Pacific Palisades outside Los Angeles. Within hours of Los Angeles fire department arrived on scene and began digging hand lines to stop it spread. The eight acre fire ignited by a 29 year old former Palisades resident who has since been charged with arson was quickly brought into control. by 4.46 a.m. the department declared it fully contained with no further updates anticipated, but the fire was never fully extinguished. A week later on January 7th, it re-ignited and burned more than 23,000 acres, destroyed 6,800 structures, and killed 12 people in what became a least worse urban wildfire catastrophe. And I'm guessing that was the palisage fire. That's a palisage. That's the palisage. There's another big fire they eat in fire, which is in Altadena. And that one was caused by PG&E, because the one of the power lines fell down. Yeah. And so they're getting sued right now for that. But can a fire smolder for that long? I've been told, yes, it can smolder for a number of days, even weeks. It's really dry there. There hadn't been rain for a long time. I even looked, there was literally NASA satellite imagery of you could see the hotspot. And it doesn't necessarily have to be smoking. From my understanding, it could be under the earth, it could be hot. And then any kind of wind condition, you could like, I don't know how it really works from scientific perspective, but it's like starting in a fire. It's like starting a fire in a campsite. You can under the right conditions, the fire will start. So I think the issue here in terms of the liabilities that the fire department supposed to go back in and check it to make sure that it has been put out. Got it. And because they didn't do that, the liabilities now on them in terms of the damage. I mean, there's billions of dollars of damage now, which opposes, I mean, which is contradictory to what they said, which is like the fire is dead out. We did our job. What were they saying? It was the original cause of the fire. Well, they say it was just like an act of God. It was like, you know, there's no way to stop this because it was so crazy. The wind and the side and or whatever. Yeah, yeah, Zeus did it. Yeah, exactly. And this is what Spencer Pratt's been going on. He's like, this is not just some crazy thing. It could have been easily preventable if you guys had done your job. But what was the issue with the with the fundraising? Were they given the? Oh, the fundraising. So there's actually, I think they're getting sued as well now because I was like from like six or eight months ago when I was doing that video. But what happened there was like, they, they collected a bunch of money from this like concert, right? This like a benefit concert. And they're supposed to go to the fire victims. But then when you do like, when you partner with the nonprofits, a lot of that money first just gets absorbed by the nonprofit for like administrative things. Yeah, holiday parties. Yeah, exactly. And then from my understanding, like, I've talked to a few residents like we didn't see any of the money. Like, how do we get this? And then the there's people or organizations that can sign up to get that money distributed to them. And there would be other companies like diaper companies or whatever it is like services, diaper companies. So like, for example, they, these companies come in and say, well, we can help distribute diapers to residents that have lost their homes. But then now that creates another bureaucratic step for if you've lost your home, like you just want a check, like just give me some money so I can like survive. I don't want to go to this organization to like collect a diaper because I have a child. It just makes things like way more complicated that way. Understand. So it's a lot of, they'll donate it to these other places, maybe a friend's charity, whatever this is. Exactly. And the next thing you know, it's been distributed to all these different spots. And there's not any actually. And then the residents, they don't know like where the spots are. And so it's a lot easier for them to say, Hey, this is the deed to my house. It burned down. Can I collect my 5,000 or whatever the distribution was? Right. It would be a lot easier to do it that way. But the, the people who organizes the Balmer group, which owns the, the Clippers and the, the stadium in LA. But you think they would want to then do the most human thing then if it's a, they're, they're only at the, the Clippers, you know, saying they want the fans to come to their games. Well, they, I think they thought they were doing the humane thing. But it's like, I think it's just that the corruption of the system is like, well, we have all these charities that we already work with. So let's like bring them into the fold of this. But it's not like the best solution. The best solution is just to give people the money that need the help. Yeah. But then now they're just enriching, you know, the people who are their friends, like all their, you know, partners that are doing all these nonprofits, they get a little bit of a cut as well, you know, through this process. You just want a little cut. Yeah. And it's a report that House Judiciary Committee stated money went to left-leaning pet projects, illegal aliens and the administrative cost related to running nonprofit organizations. This is from CBS News. You had examples of funds used for voter outreach efforts towards political advocacy groups, towards podcasters, fungus planning. Those examples are pretty troubling. I do want to be clear there were many organizations that got funds, nonprofits that are certainly very worthy nonprofits. I think there was one I was talking to Aloe Black. He was because he's involved his house burned down. And he was like, I don't understand why the, the was at the community college of like Pasadena is getting money for this. Like they didn't like, why did they need money? Right. I don't know. So it's, I think it's more of like, hey, if you want it to maximally benefit the people, you would do the right thing and you just give the money to the people like show that, show a record that you own this house and then come and collect your check versus all this bureaucratic shit where people can take it. They're just trying to, the problem with the California is like, they want to, they have, there's problems that they need to solve, but they need to create the solution always involves like people being able to like stick their hand in the cookie jar and taking a cut here, taking a cut there. And then by the time the money goes to the people who need it, it's like a lot less of it. Yeah. Actually is there. There's no dessert left, really. Yeah. For the people that need it most. Oh, it Robertson is an attorney representing politics. Fire victims in a civil case against the city. He says public records obtained by the LA Times add credibility to his claim that the lockman fire was not properly extinguished. Okay. A new report from LA Times claims the Los Angeles Fire Department tried to protect Mayor Karen Bass from a reputational harm. It was smoldering right on the top of the ground and we have numerous hikers that took video that called 911 that still took photographs. So they they're definitely there's so much evidence that the fire wasn't properly put it. So they're under I mean the state of California is getting sued because technically I think it's a state land. And I think now it's funny. I heard Spencer talking about this. Karen Bass is like trying to join that lawsuit against Gavin Newsom. She's like trying to, you know, she's like, well, I'm also been wronged in this situation as well as it was Gavin Newsom. So they're all point fingers at this point. I mean, that's Malibu. But then okay. So but then the out I want to do the outcome of this is like many homes being burned down and then corporations coming in to buy these homes. Yeah. You know, I think you could probably look up a stat like more than 50% of the houses that have been purchased in LA after the fires were purchased by corporations in fire districts are just anywhere. No, no, in the the fire areas that burned down. I saw there was a headline of this for sure. Got it. Like the houses that have burned, I think, not of just regular undersomes, I think. Let me see if we got to check that investors are buying close to half the empty lots in LA burn zones. Report says that's conclusion researchers with the online real estate listings platform red fan reached in a new report published using analyzing transactions in LA County burn zones during July, August and September. They found that about 40% of Pacific palisades vacant lots went to corporate buyers in both Altadena and Malibu about 44% of such vacant lot sales went to investors. Huh. I wonder though, is there some benefit? Maybe they're putting it into just a business or an LLC. I wonder if there's some other benefit of doing it that way. You know, I'm saying like, maybe there's a different inch. Maybe it's insurable that way and maybe regular home. You know, I'm saying like, I wonder if there's something else that adjusts that. I don't, I mean, I don't think so. I mean, it seems like at the very least you can argue the size of the investor. Are they BlackRock or is it like some person who owns like five homes? Got it. Right? That could be something to discuss, but it's certainly not people who live there. Like if you want your home and you live there, it's not like that. It's not like for your family. It's like, the sky is buying the home to like rent it out or to flip it or something like that. Yeah. Which isn't ideal for, you know, home ownership. And you know, you want people to live in the home. Yeah. And you know, home sit exemption. I mean, I just, you know, or there's different things like if it's your primary residence. Before I forget, yeah, what got you de-platformed? Let's talk about that. And then let's get in the Epstein stuff because that's kind of current and we'll go down some rabbit holes here with the, with one of the lead hairs here. For sure. Well, so take it out. They never tell you why you're banned. Yeah, none of these places kind of do. No, you don't know. They just one day you're banned. Some people have warnings and strikes before their band. I wasn't in that situation. I had a good standing account with no issues and all of a sudden I was banned. I was banned twice actually. So the first time I was banned, you can only now context clues. The first time was when I did a video about how our FBI director, Cash Patel might be getting honey-potted. You know, people have been talking about that. I don't know. I never saw. I was just reading, you know, other people's sort of reporting and who she was. And it's like, hey, this seems like kind of a weird relationship like does she work, you know, she's working closely with Prager U, which is basically like an Israeli run outlet. There's an intelligence officer that runs Prager U. So she involved in that. And then it got banned after that. But then I was able to get that restored actually through a friend who knew somebody at TikTok. They're like, okay, I think we can help get you back on. So then I was back. And then the next time happened very shortly after I was named anti-Semite of the week by that group stop anti-Semitism. Oh, yeah, of the week they're doing the weekly. I don't even know that they're doing it weekly now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there you go. I remember Tucker Carlson was on this too. Yeah. Who won? Did you get into? Tucker won. Tucker won. Yeah. I mean, he was just in Israel. I don't know if you saw some of that interview with him and Huckabee. Oh, yeah, dude, it's definitely pretty baffling. Yeah. - What was one of the takeaways from the Huckabee interview that you found interesting? - Well, I thought it was really interesting how Huckabee was just being so open about what the project is there. He's like, "Yeah, I want Israel to take the whole thing." 'Cause Tucker was saying, "Hey, based on--" - It's a tossie, you mean? - About not guys on the Middle East. - The whole Middle East, basically. He was, 'cause he was talking about how, based on scripture, this whole land is like the greater Israel project. And he's like, "Oh, yeah, you have a biblical right to do this, and are you okay with Israel taking the whole thing, which includes other countries like Jordan and Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, all these countries." And Huckabee's like, "Yeah, I'm good with that." - Yeah. - I mean, it's pretty baffling. I mean, Huckabee just really, it feels like he's more of a politician for Israel than America. - Well, that's certainly the case. He's the ambassador, right? - He is the ambassador, but he also met with Jonathan Pollard, who's the spy, convicted spy, you know, traitor to America. And he met him at the American Embassy in Jerusalem, which is, you know, I mean, that's pretty fucked up. - I mean, yeah, unless he was, yeah. - There was actually a clip, and he was like, I didn't meet with, there was not a meeting, or he was like, it wasn't a meeting, but I meet with people all the time. It was more of like, I was there with him. - Okay. Call it what you will. - Yeah. So-- - But I have a theory around this, 'cause I was like, why would he even want to do this? Why would they want to telegraph it so nakedly to people and basically say that, yeah, Israel controls American foreign policy? That's kind of crazy thing to do. And then why was Tucker even allowed to do this interview? And I have this theory of like, basically, both parties, the Democrat and the Republicans, they need to create these release vows for the base in order to keep it intact. Like, they have that on the left with like Bernie Sanders, AOC, I see them as kind of like a release valve to get people back in the Democratic Party fold. - Right. - Instead of going to a third party, something else. You know, like the last election in Michigan, they had this non-committed vote in Michigan, where people really, because they didn't want to vote for a Democrat because they're supporting the genocide in Gaza, and they voted for this non-committed party line. Like, I'm not gonna vote for anybody, and that was actually a Democratic party move to insert that in, because if they didn't vote the uncommitted, they would have voted Green Party, and they didn't want people to vote Green Party. - I see. So they created this other thing that made them feel some type of way, but really it was owned by the, it was owned by the Democratic Party. - Exactly, so it was right. And they both do that. I think you're right. On both sides, there's like-- - And Tucker's the release valve, I think, on the right, where it's like, people are kind of fed up with the whole like prioritizing Israel before everything else. So Tucker creates this like, okay, at least somebody's saying this stuff. So like, we feel a little bit better. - But do you think he's an instrument of the Republican Party to do that? - That's the, I mean, I wouldn't know. You would have to ask him about that. I think he's, for my understanding, I only know people who know him. I don't, I've never spoken to Tucker, so I don't know what, I don't really know anything about him, but I think in general, he seems to me from the outside looking in sort of a guy who wants to do the right thing, reporting the right stuff. I think he really feels really bad about the Iraq war. I mean, he's spoken to him so you can tell me more. Like, it seems like he's remorseful for the fact that he was such a big champion of a war that got like a million Iraqis killed, thousands of Americans created you know, geopolitical chaos. - He mentioned that in the hook of the interview. - Yeah. - Some of that. - He mentions that kind of stuff a lot. - Yeah. - To me, he seems genuine. I mean, but he could, but he could still be used by the party apparatus. - For sure. - It's like, yeah, you want to do this interview, we'll allow you to do this interview. - Right. Oh, I see what you're saying. Right, like, even that might even be a way of being used, you don't even realize it. - Exactly. - Because you give somebody a, like, okay, you can interview this guy of ours. We know he'll say some things. - Yeah. - It'll let people, some, the people will be like, oh, I was right. And it lets a little bit of steam out of the kettle. - Exactly, exactly. - That's one thing I realized about when I was sitting with Bernie recently is, yeah, he just kind of yells these things. And I've been a Bernie guy. I want to Trump and Bernie to be on the same ticket years ago. That would have been wild, huh? - It would have been great. 'Cause I feel like you need to have two people that have different views on the same ticket, like a president and a vice president then, whoever loses becomes a vice president in the election. - That's what he used to do it. The first three elections were done. - That's how it should be done. Because then you have somebody that you have differing opinions, who has differing opinions in you, and you guys are in the same office, and you guys have to figure things out, right? Like, to me, that makes sense, right? It seems like the most democratic way to go about it. What I realized, it's like, yeah, he's coming here and yelling things, he's been yelling the same things for 30 years. Yeah, and nothing is really getting done. And then when you look at everything, it's like, oh, wait, we've all been yelling the same things for 30 years, nothing is getting. It's all like, you start to realize that the politicians and the people, like politicians are coming on a regular podcast and we're just yelling at the people. Like, we've got to do this. It's like, oh my God, we voted you to go do it. Don't vote us to send you up to mountain, and then you just come back down and be like, we gotta do it. Like, bitch, we just sent you to say we gotta do it. So that's when I realized, oh, it's just this, and I think everybody relies at that. It's a little bit like theater, it's a shell game, and it's, yes, it's theater. And I think everybody's starting to see that in, so I think it's, to me, I think it's getting very interesting right now, which in some ways also is kind of exciting. Well, I think, I mean, that's one of the things I do appreciate about Trump is that they are saying some of these things just very nakedly, so then we could just have the conversation about the real thing, right? It's like, when we go take Maduro and Venezuela, it's not like some bullshit about democracy or this and that. It's like, oh yeah, no, we do want the oil. That is a primary reason why we're going over there. So then we don't have to do this whole rigmarole, this dance around why we're actually there. It's like, oh, we want the oil. So then we can decide, is this really good? Do you really want to be the country that everybody hates? I just, you know, I want to take Greenland, so I'm going to have it. I'm going to take Venezuela. I'm going to take Cuba. Is that really good, or is it better for U.S. or U.S. standing in the world to do more diplomacy to get what we want versus just straight up just sending aircraft carriers or the SEAL team to go in there and do the thing? I agree. I mean, and I think there's a part of us now that you're even looking back at historic, like I'll watch old movies, like war movies now, and it's like it, I remember as a child, I'd be like, oh yeah, we did it, right? And then you watch now and you're like, oh, what are we doing there? Well, that's the topic I was like, basically the Iran strike. It was literally the plot is the same, the New Top Gun. Oh, I blame Miles Teller for that. And he knows it on his check of miles. But, oh, the, you mean the original one? You mean the original, oh, the New Top Gun? The New Top Gun with Miles Teller, yeah. Oh, so you're saying that? 'Cause that was a strike on a uranium facility in Iran. That was the plot of the movie. Oh, wow. And do you think that they knew, like, okay, pulling those a couple of rabbit holes here that were kind of barren eggs in here. But first, let me, you mentioned Venezuela, right? What do you think happened in Venezuela? 'Cause here are things that, that just a regular person I heard, there was minerals that we wanted over there. They were one of the few programs that had like their own financial system. So they weren't on the world financial system. And then that, they had done something with voting machines. That was something I kept seeing online that they had some part to do with the voting machines. What, in hindsight, what did you see about Venezuela or what were some of the kind of the conspiracy, the Ivermectin holes you were in? Well, I think Venezuela is really interesting in the sense that, yeah, like you said, there weren't a part of this system, but they were kind of forced into that position. But they weren't a part of what system? The financial system? Western financial system, because they've been sanctioned by the United States for like 20 years, roughly. And I only learned about this when I was digging into this, 'cause I don't know much about Venezuela, but I wanted to learn about the history. So I was like, okay, let me do some searches on the internet and see what they're telling us in the news versus like what the history books are saying. And so it was like, I can't remember what year, but Hugo Chavez came to power as like the socialist party in Venezuela. And he started nationalizing the oil. And then he started doing programs to improve life expectancy and other important metrics in the country, like making people earn more money, all this stuff. So like people's life, what do they call this? They call them quality of life? Quality of life. People's quality of life was improving in Venezuela, but the US didn't like the fact that they were, you know, socialist, so we don't want socialism. So then the Obama administration actually deemed Venezuela like an enemy to America. So then we started sanctioning them. So once we started sanctioning them, they had to start doing deals with other countries that weren't a part of the US system. So they started doing deals with Russia and China. And now fast forward 20 years later, we're like, these guys are selling oil to China. They're selling oil to Russia. We don't like this. But then you look back like, well, you forced them to sell them to those countries. Those are the only countries that aren't a part of your block. So then those are the only countries they could sell it to. So then they're like, oh, the Venezuelan economy is so bad. They've, you know, everybody lives in poverty. It was like part of the reason for that is like, you don't allow them to trade with any of our allies. Right, we cut them off at a time when they were growing. Exactly. But why do we want to stop them from growing stronger, do you feel like? Well, because their government was socialist. So now all of a sudden, you have a socialist regime that's doing well. Doing well, right? In sort of your backyard area, which is not ideal for sort of our capitalist kind of style. Like you don't want an example of that here. That's just my opinion. So then they started sanctioning it. So it's a bipartisan thing. It's not just Trump government. Obama government started this, right? With the sanctioning, Trump added on. It made it more, you know, right? robust the sanctions and then all of a sudden, wow, we got to get this guy out of power because he's smuggling drugs or something like that. But also, he was very open about the oil. We got to get the oil, but then part of it also too, I think is, the Israel part is like a side piece, but it does play an important piece is basically-- - Preeming the Israel part. - So basically whatever country that opposes Israel, they basically tell us, we got to take that country out. We got to do a regime change. So a lot of that is in the Middle East, but there's some other countries, for example, in Venezuela. They are very opposed to the Israeli government. The Maduro was very open about calling what's happening, Gaza, a genocide. And so they're like, we got to get rid of this. And this is something I learned 20 years ago, there was an opposition guy, I can't remember his name, but he was running for president and the media kind of slandered him or they smeared him as a homosexual and a Zionist. So then me, that's like, okay, that means within the Venezuelan culture, Zionism is a bad thing. They're ascribing to this guy. So I think Israel would come in and say, this is a country that doesn't really support our existence. We should do a regime change here. - Usy. So your thing in that part of this was that Israel wanted to come in and have some effect on a country that doesn't support them. - Exactly. And you see that happening with other countries that are not. I mean, Iran is probably the main one right now. That's like the last of their lists. I saw you talking to Dave Smith about this, right? There's like a list of seven countries in the Middle East. - The Neocons. - Yeah, exactly. - Going to take over. - Yeah, exactly. So then Iran is on that list. So that's why we got to take it out. Even though we have no nuclear weapons at this point, supposedly, they told us. - They did. One of the things is Henry Capri-Lis. Thank you. - Yes, this is the guy I was talking about. - Enrique Capri-Lis Radonsky is a Venezuelan politician who served as a 36 governor of Miranda. He ran against Nicholas Maduro in Venezuela's 2013 presidential election. Maduro and his supporters spread rumors about Capri-Lis homosexuality as a smear tag, including public slurs. Enrique Capri-Lis Radonsky was labeled a Zionist by Venezuelan state media and Chavez Maduro allies. These accusations framed him as tied to international Zionism often alongside his Jewish heritage. Oh, so he was a Jewish guy. Despite his Catholic faith. - Huh. - Well, it seemed like it shouldn't have done that to him, but I guess that's how the media works, right? - That's how the media works. - Yeah. - It's a state controlled media, which we have a lot of nowadays with like CBS news is sort of, I would say, state controlled media since it was sold off to Larry Ellison. - Yeah, very white started voice controlling over there. How do you feel about that that's been since she took over kind of? - Well, it hasn't really worked out. I think once she took it over, it was very overtly clear what they were trying to do, right? They were doing pieces that were saying good stuff about Marco Rubio. They were hailing him as some kind of genius guy. They were also doing pro Israel propaganda. So it was very, I think it's very clear to people who consume the news, what was going on. And it's actually, I think that's a playbook that's maybe a little bit outdated because not that many people get their news directly from CBS news anymore. There's like, that crowd is decreasing. It's like old people, I don't wanna say. - Yeah, no. Well, a lot of people don't even have a cable anymore. I don't even know where you would find it. It used to be newer than the new cable. - It used to be like, you knew who the Nightly Nank anchor was at all these, you see the Walter Cronkite. - And now it's Peter Jennings. - Peter Jennings, like Ticklin's, I'm gonna choke for whatever you know. Just trying to tickle the holy water out of some honky or whatever, you're like, what is even happening anymore? - So I think it's just an outdated strategy. They think, oh, I wanna buy the news so I can control the news. But it turns out people don't really like that. People know that. And that's the same thing that happened in Washington Post, too, right? Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post. He thought they were gonna be able to do kind of pro Bezos propaganda for him. Turns out all his viewers or readers hated that. They canceled and now, you know, they're doing, they think they just laid off like a third of their staff. - Well, in a lot of that media, it's just older media. - Yeah. - So it's just kind of like leap, you know, some of that realm is changing. It's just like not changing the guard, but it's like, you know, people wanna come in and listen to something in a place where they feel like it's not being controlled anyway. - Yeah, and I think there's, so there's, that way is old. So then there's other ways they're trying to subversively control independent media as well. And we can get into that. - While you're still practicing new year, new routines, have you ever stopped to think about what your shower water is doing to your skin and hair? Most people spend thousands every year on skin care and hair care, trying to fix dryness, break out and dull hair, dull hair. 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And it was from something that was-- Well, I think it was related to me being named anti-semite of the week. OK. And I think they have like tight connections because TikTok's moderation team is run by an IDF soldier. Accessive. Yeah. She was hired recently to run moderation at TikTok. She's an American who moved Israel then got Israeli citizenship. There it is, Erica Mendel. That's a pretty name. IDF soldier, public policy manager of hate speech at TikTok. What did you say something that was hate speech? Well, according to them, yes. Because I've been really critical of the Israeli government, the genocide, all these subversive tactics. They lie to us about all kinds of stuff. So I do report on that. And that is now considered hate speech at TikTok. If you're-- So I'm criticizing the Netanyahu government for what they've done that is now considered because of the definition. Now they're basically saying anti-zionism is anti-semitism. That is the definition that they're all adopting, including the ADL. So if I criticize the government, that's sort of a proxy for criticism of Jewish people. Well, to me, that seems bizarre. I mean, I'm at the comedy store last night and people are having jokes that are anti-Israel. And the crowd is going nuts, right? That entire crowd is cheering in those moments. It seems to be a very popular sentiment that people aren't going to support a government that's doing what I believe is largely believed by most people these days to be a genocide or to be some people call it a new holocaust or whatever, people call it different things. But that most people believe that it's wrong. People saw it, you can't trick my heart, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, if the media's been telling me for years with a holocaust definition that this is wrong, then you can't show me the same thing and say, it's now it's not wrong for some reason. But also to not attach that to my Jewish friends, like I had Jewish friends who are in the audience here this weekend. And I make anti-Israel jokes and they don't have a-- none of my friends have a problem with it, you know? So I think I don't know how one really connects to the other, you know? And I don't know if that's a-- is that a problem of someone who's just trying to have a voice or is that an Israel's problem that they need to figure out with their own behaviors? Does that make any sense to you? Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. I think part of it is too. It's kind of a little bit dark, I think, what I'm about to say. But I think part of them wants to create more anti-Semitism. That's like, sort of the goal is you're not anti-Semitic at all. You don't have any hatred towards Jewish people. You think everybody should be-- treated the same depending, regardless of their, you know, creed or color, race, immutable traits, whatever. And they want to make it so that you actually don't like them 'cause part of the Israel project is getting Jewish people to move to Israel. This is what I've been told. This is what I've been researching for the last couple of years. Like that's part of the strategy. There was a very famous Israeli podcaster who was like, "Oh, I love Mamdani." And they were like, "Why do you love Mamdani?" He's like an anti-Semite. I don't believe that's true, but they're saying, "Hey, Mamdani's really anti-Israel." He's like, "This is great 'cause it's gonna get people to move to Israel." That's what I want. And so I think that's part of the strategy. There's also another thing too with like a group like the Anti-Defamation League that their whole job is like to reduce anti-Semitism, right? That their job is combating anti-Semitism. - Well, that makes sense. Like I mean, I think you want to be able to protect like people. - So the crux of that is then you get into sort of-- - Has the ADL spoken out against the Israeli government? - No. - They're pretty much run by the Israeli government. So that's the problem with the ADL. - But that would seem like something they should do is speak out against the leader. - No, the ADL has long been. I did a whole mini-documentary interview. - But that doesn't make sense when I'm saying like, "Why wouldn't you speak out against the bad guy?" - Because the ADL is acting on behalf of the Israeli government as sort of a spy organization in America. I mean, you could look at that as ADL. - So they're not a free-thinking group. They're a group that is a-- - Yeah, they're a civil, they call themselves a civil rights group. But what they're actually doing is trying to like create more antisemitic behavior in the United States. 'Cause if you think about it this way, like you have an organization, your whole thing is like combating antisemitism. So let's say one day, there's no more antisemitism. What happens to this organization? - You're out of work. So then they got to create more antisemitism. So every year the ADL has published the antisemitism report. It's gone up every single year. The same guy is still there. I'm like, if you were the CEO of a company and you're doing shit at your job, wouldn't you get fired when somebody else going there? You wouldn't need that number to come down. But every year the number's going up. The donations are going up. They're in the very nice building in New York City on Park Avenue. So there's a whole industrial complex. Same thing with the homeless. I make the analogy of the homeless industrial complex in California where so much money's pouring in homelessness. But what happens if we actually solve this problem for all these organizations? Like you need this to continue. So then nothing gets done. - But it's the same thing you need all these things to continue. You need the racism to continue. You need crime because then you have people living in fear. Like you need all these things, right? 'Cause it does start to feel like we're living in a theater that's sort of controlled. - Yes. - Well let's get into some stuff that's kind of current. And do you feel like an antisemite? Did you feel like that was fair that they said? - No, absolutely not. You can go to that article. There's nothing in there that I said. I don't, well first of all speaking personally, I don't have any problem. I have a lot of Jewish friends. I went to school in New York, so I'm very sort of connected in that community. - You're in the bagel bell. (laughing) - I mean, I wouldn't never, I would never sort of, I try to be like, I'm like so scared of even saying anything like that, you know what I'm saying? - What the bagel bell? - Yeah, I don't know. - That's funny dude. - I can't. Who doesn't love good bagels anyway? My friend Max is opening a bagel shop in Florida. - Well, I know, I love good. I mean, every time I go to New York, I'm eating bagels like every other meal. - Dude, but I don't like it when you go there and they don't have cinnamon raisin bagels. - He's not your thing? - Well, I just like to have it as an option. If you're not giving that as an option, it makes me question you. It's like, what if a kid comes in here? What if somebody who wants to have a little bit of a sweeter day comes in? - Well, they got the blueberry for that. - Yeah, I don't believe in that one. Anyway, what to say, James Lee is a conspiracist who brands himself as a champion of the independent thought. He uses persona to spread longstanding anti-Semitic tropes and conspiracy theories. His commentary distorts the nature of anti-Semitism and vilifies Jewish communities. Damn, James. - Well, I challenged him to find an example of me vilifying a Jewish community, you know? - Yeah, well, it says right here, they aren't even hiding it anymore. Israel owns America. - Well, I mean, this, they do. - Well, let's talk about that for a second, man. You know, 'cause so much now that is like, why are we giving money to Israel? You hear that all the time, right? It's not even, you know, something that people are scared to even talk about anymore. It's like, what are we sending all this money to Israel for? And really just why is there the connection, right? Like it's, and there's not like a clear answer sometimes. It's never like, hey, this is our ally, this is because, you know, this is, but yeah, you're like, we can't pay our nurses. We can't, you know what I'm saying? We don't have, like we have issues in our public schools. More people are choosing to homeschool than ever, which is just another burden on the family, really, right? You know, our food supply has been deemed toxic. - Toxic. - Right, that's something that we're battling right now. 70% of young men can't serve in the military because of the physical shape that they're in, right? Like, so you start to wonder why do we have this extra money to just send to a place, right? So that, that I think is a very fair question. And I've been thinking about a lot. And I do think, I don't think we're just sending money to a place I do believe that our country's owned by Israel and that, so you just give the money to the boss. So it's not us getting, they're just getting the money that's, that's theirs. - That's theirs, that's theirs, yeah. - That's what I started to realize. 'Cause I'm like, yeah, 'cause if you do this for so long and it doesn't make any, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's no answer. It's like, oh, well, that's just, that's the boss coming in just getting his money, you know? And so, yeah, I just think that that's kind of where we're at. And I don't mean that in an un-American way. I think there's still a lot of strength and hard in the idea of America. But I've thought for a long time that we're just like an LLC, like we're a shell company, that's owned by Israel. And that's honestly just what it feels like more and more. - Yeah, well, part of, 'cause you're supposed to be like allies. So then we're supposed to have cooperation, you get something out of it, we get something out of it. But then I recently was listening to a podcast with that CIA guy. I don't know if you've talked to him, John Karyaku. - The long guy with the curly hair? - No, John Karyaku looks like that, yep. - And is he a good guy? - He's a good, so he was the one that, he was the one that whistle blew the torture program after Iraq and in Guantanamo in those places. Like, and he went to jail for two years because he violated some statute or whatever for telling us about that. We were torturing, you know? - People, he told it? - Yeah. - CIA whistleblower John Karyaku, who exposed the treatment of al-Qaeda suspects held in secret prisons, told the bureau today, it was now down a journalist to tell the full story about the intelligence agency torture program because politicians did not have the will. Okay, got it. So I just wanted to get some clarity on who he is. - So anyways, so he was asked, is there like one particular intelligence agency that you just did not trust? He was like, yeah, it was Mossad. And he was telling the story about how every time Mossad comes into the CIA headquarters, they try to drop off some gift that has like a bug in it so they're listening device. And every single time they would catch them, like guys, you have to stop bringing these bugging devices into our headquarters. And eventually I think the Mossad is no longer allowed at CIA headquarters because they keep trying to bug our conference rooms. - But they have to have access to our conference rooms. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, do you think that that's, oh, this was in the past? You mean, recently? - Past. - Okay, got it. - Yeah. - So he was the one who was kind of, he was just saying that those were some stories from that. - Yeah, so I'm like, this is not how an ally should act, right? 'Cause we're supposed to be partners. Why are you trying to bug our, you know, spy on us? - Right. - Right, that's one thing. I think Tucker was talking to Ted Cruz. Like, what should Israel spy on us? Like, is that something that they should do as an ally? So that's what I'm saying. It's like, this relationship seems like a little bit like a-- - I think it's monitoring your employees. - Yeah, a little bit of an abusive relationship is what is going on, right? That's kind of how I would view it in like a more, like, you know, just like a layman setting. The way of putting it is like, I think this is an abusive relationship. They keep kicking us and then we keep going back to them and like saying, please, well, we'll do better next time and then we'll help you and this and that. Well, what's spurned this? I mean, the thing that spurned this is the stuff in Gaza. That's what spurned so much of this people looking at Israel and being like, what is going on here? Right, but that's what-- - That's what it broke for the regular American public. I probably was definitely not looking at Israel before. The only weird thing that I saw that kind of got my sort of red flags raised was about a year before that Israel had killed a journalist, an Al Jazeera journalist, who was, I believe, an American Palestinian. And they said, no, they were caught in the line of fire, or something like that. But then a later came out that, yeah, they just executed her. And I'm like, what's going on here? This is very bizarre. Like, why are they able to just kill journalists without any kind of international condemnation or anything like that without any accountability? So there's something weird going on here. And then October 7th happened. And that's when I think everybody started looking in and you do one search and like, oh, this is, you know, this is what-- and Charlie Kirk was one of the first ones, like, I think two days after he was like, this is one of, you know, why was, why did this even happen? Like, was there a stand down order kind of situation? Like, how are they even able to come across the border? This is one of the most secure borders in the world. How did it take them six hours? He's like, it takes 45 minutes to fly from Jerusalem to the border. Why, why are you, you know, what's going on here? Was there something to then create this excuse to then now launch like a counteroffensive? Right, quote unquote counteroffensive and basically turn Gaza into rubble. And do you think that that's what happened? What do you feel like about it? Well, I mean, this is based on my conjecture is that, yeah, I do think that-- Where's conjecture mean? Conjecture is like just me, sort of coming up with a claim without knowing all the information. 'Cause of course, I'm not in the security briefing-- So guess, I'm guessing a little bit. But Asia, I don't know, I don't know. and guessing, it's gotta be better than just regular white guessing. Yeah. Some would say that. Like when you guys guess, dude, I bet it's, you know. Look, I got a pretty good track record of my conjectures. I'll just put it that way. Got it. So there's no other explanation. Like why, you know, it would at most take one hour for them to respond. Got it. I took them six hours to respond. Doesn't make any sense. So then it's kind of like 9/11. It's like some, we kind of knew some shit. Like somebody knew something, right? There was like the shorting of the airline stocks. There were people taking insurance out on the building, somebody knew something in this situation. It seemed like there were people in the Israeli government who knew that this was about to come and they just kind of let it happen. Therefore creating the pretense to then destroy Gaza. Well, there was interesting that there was allegedly plans to like build buildings and that sort of thing in Gaza years earlier. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've heard that somewhere allegedly. That's not the new thing with Jared Kushner and the new like Gaza plan. Well, yeah, I was like, let's do the mall or they were going to go to five guys, you know, but who's going to go eat on top of the? That's what I'm saying. A haunted burial site of hundreds of thousands of people. That's what I'm saying, and it's like, do you really want a vacation there with your family? Would you take your kids? It's like, oh, we're going to go to, you know, I mean, I guess good real estate. But what if you're playing on the beach and there's just a bunch of wounds in the saying, you know what I mean, I wouldn't want to go there. I'll say that way. Let's go down some of the rabbit holes, like, 'cause, you know, these are things you'd like to investigate or get curious about. Let's start with Epstein and the Files release. What do you think's happening with the document release? 'Cause it seems very odd as a regular guy that we're getting documents, right? They're coming this years later, both parties have been in democratic and Republican have been in office since then, right? More than ever, it seems like both parties are just the same party with a different name. That's literally my shirt. Oh yeah, different brands, same ingredients. Oh, that's hilarious. So true. Oh, it's almost like that colapepsy wore a little bit. Oh, that's great. And so it's just an interesting time and the names that are redacted aren't the names of the victim. It's just like, there's so much going on there. What do you think about it? Well, I mean, they tried, I mean, I don't think they thought these files would ever come out, neither party. Really? Yeah, I don't think they thought, I think they were going to bury this forever. So you don't think it's a strategic release right now? No, I think right now is like, this is what we're going to offer because there were a force through that boat that Thomas Massey and Rokonic big credit to them to have the political courage to keep going. And we had them both on here shout out, bro. I will say that shit, pull up. But anyway, go on. So take us into some of that. Yeah, what are some of the things that you feel like? Yeah, so you don't think it's strategic? I don't think this is a release. So you think it's an effect that they didn't want to do? You didn't want to do this. They didn't want to do this. And so that's why you have all the names of the perpetrators being redacted. Right, they're only supposed to redact the victim's names. A lot of the perpetrator's names are redacted. And now they're forcing them to unredact them. There's a whole process here. But I think this is like, hey, we'll put something out because we're legally compelled to do it by the vote, right? It was like past United States, but I think there's one person who voted present and because they were forced, you don't want to be on the record voting against disclosed, you know, putting pedophiles in jail. Like you don't want to be that guy or gal, right? So then they were all forced to vote for it because they got, because they didn't, they did not want that to get to the house floor or the Senate, but they had to vote for it because once it was there, you don't want to be voting against it. Like what, you're trying to cover up for a billionaire pedophiles. You don't want to be on the record doing that. So I think this release was a result of that. And in terms of the Epstein stuff, like what we're going to get into, I just want to say like there are a lot of people that have looked in the Epstein for decades. Like if you want to bring, do a whole episode of Epstein, like you got to bring in somebody like Whitney Webb or Julie Brown, you know, she's from the Miami Herald. She's been coming Epstein since like 2005. - Yeah, we're trying to get her in, actually. - So I'm just preface. Like hey, we're going to look in this Epstein stuff, but I want to give credit to those of the people that are like the Epstein experts. I'm just a regular dude that looking at the files. - Yeah, they've been digging. You just came to kind of tell the soil a little. - Exactly, exactly. So then one big thing that I wanted to start out looking at was to answer the big question. Do you remember when Cash Patel went in front of Congress and he said, we have zero evidence that Epstein traffic any young girls to anybody. - 100%. - Right, and everybody was like, what? How is that possible? You were railing about the Epstein files for years and now you go in and say you found nothing. And so that was one of the first things. Like, hey, do we have, do you want to play that first? - And this is my brother Louisiana right here, shout out. - You've seen most of the files. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women too besides himself? - himself, there is no credible information. None, if there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have again is limited. - So the answer is no one. - For the information that we have in the files. - In the case file. - Okay. - All right, dude, I believe I'm not joking. I, there's people that say that, that created like a fake office and everything for Patel and we're, and we're only giving him certain information. - Oh, so he didn't see the stuff that was? - So really, even then what he said, if you listen there from this limited, he said, did he say limited stuff I've seen or from what I've seen, which has been limited. So who knows if he even saw everything? - Right, so he's, well, you're saying that somebody's even hiding something from him. That means that another person above a shadow figure. - Right, like he goes into an office and has this perception that everything is a certain way. And it's, he doesn't, it's not, he doesn't know. So then of course he's gonna show up and he what he's saying is the truth to him, right? Because he even said from a limited, what did he say in it? - For the information that we have. - Well, they have it. - Well, right now. - But he's denoting that's, you know what I'm saying? From the other person that we have, I bet he even see all this stuff. - Well, I bet he saw some of the, 'cause the stuff that has been released, some say it's half, some say the channel for news in the UK say it's 2% of what the total is. We don't know what the real number is. But so one of the things I wanna look at is, is there anything in the files that suggest that Epstein traffic young girls to other people other than himself, right? That's a big question that we should all have answered. And I'm not even looking, so there's, there's, within the files there's the emails, right? Between Epstein and a bunch of other people, but there's also like FBI tip stuff where people are saying crazy stuff. This is where you see a lot of the Trump stuff is like people calling the tip line saying, "I saw Trump do this, I saw Trump do that." So I'm like removing that stuff. I'm just going off the emails and say, "Look, does it look like?" And there's one email chain between Epstein and Steve Tish, and Steve Tish is the owner of the New York Giants. - Is he really? - Yeah. - Shout out Jackson Dart. - So let's start at the bottom, 'cause this is the, let's do it in chronological order, right? - Okay. - I don't know if you wanna read it or you want me to read it. - You be, I'll be, I don't know who to be. I'll be, I guess I'll be Tish. (laughing) - Okay. - All right, all right. - Okay. And you be Epstein. - Yeah. - Hi Jeffrey, I just had lunch with your assistant's friend, Blank, who I met at your house Wednesday morning, very sweet girl. Do you know anything about her? Thanks, Steve. - And then Epstein says no, but I will ask Blank. All confidential. I will get all info. Did you contact the great fake ass tit Blank? She's a character, short term. Has an older boyfriend going to acting school? A 10 ass, I am happy to have you as a new, but obviously shared interest friend. - Thanks Jeffrey, curious to know about redacted, I will contact redacted pro or civilian. - She probably means sex worker or just a regular non-sex worker. - Right. And then the next thing is send me a number to call. I don't like records of these conversations, obviously. Oh, 3107-799-8969. I wonder if I already have it in my phone. Dude, if I already have it in my phone, bro, somebody's gonna win a winter coat. That's what we're giving away this year, dude. If they allow us to have it. Is this stupid that I'm looking? 790, how's it going? - If you call, tell them we're live to tape. - Okay. Nope, nothing. Okay. Close call. Oh, okay, sorry. So then Tish writes 3107-799-8969. - I've reached out to Blank, she's not on this trip. - Okay, thanks. - Thank you, thanks, yeah. And this is Epstein. Report just in, you did very well. She wants to go to the play. She's a little freaked out by the age difference, but go slow and wait. I will try to convince her not to return to Ukraine. Having her crying worked. Okay. Nice report, funny comments on crying. So trying to seem like he's not involved totally. - Well, I don't know. It seems like, okay. I mean, a little bit disturbing with the crying. It's like, why are you having her cry? Like, was there some pressure involved? - All right, but it could have just been that she was upset about something as well. - Could have been. Yes, there are, I guess, innocent explanations for this, but at the very least, this looks like he's trafficking somebody to somebody else. Is this the subject line as Ukrainian girl? - Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. So it doesn't say that she's an adult in this. It says that she's younger. - It doesn't say the age. - Got it. - But it says she's young. - Got it. - But she says she has a boyfriend at some point too, but that could still be anything to you. - Yeah, I'm not defending. I'm just trying to look at things openly. - Okay, so you're saying that this justifies some form of trafficking? - Well, I think it justifies some form of investigation at the very least. Like, you should look into what the hell this was. - Got it. And is it being investigated? - I don't know for sure. I think the NFL hasn't done anything yet. There are people who are journalists writing articles who said this should be looked at, like I think Steve Tish, you know, should be investigated. 'Cause you imagine this is just an email. And then in that email it says, I don't like talking about it. about this over email. - Right. - There's probably more conversations that are-- - Through texts or something, right? - Through texts or something, right? - Yeah, and also, I mean, watch them just end up making them kick off from the five yard line or something like that. Like, things are so merged and weird these days, who knows? - So I think there's some other emails that I sent to Zach that was like, evidence of this kind of thing. - There work and we look at some of those here, we go some other ones here. Yeah, let's look at some other ones here. Organized blank place for you, blank each girl. - Nice, we'll do. So this seems like he's organizing some meetup with some women with this redacted person. We don't know who that is. - Got it. - Right? So this is, I feel like this isn't, to me, from the outside looking in. 'Cause you're obviously not gonna write in there. Yes, I am trafficking young girls to you, ages five, to, you know, you're not gonna say that. You're gonna probably be a little bit more subtle about it. - Do you know any girls that are into girls who might be into me? And that's from someone Epstein going to dancing against starting Tuesday. Let me know if you're in town next week and I'll try to see if some of the girls are interested. - And what does dancing mean? - Any news? Oh, I see you're saying going to be dancing against starting Thursday. - So to me, these are just, you know, cursory searches from a nobody. I'm just like, hey, is there something here? It seems like, at the very least, there should be some investigation happening. I mean, you're seeing in other countries, people are gonna arrested. Anders getting arrested. Lord Mendelssohn just got arrested. - Lord Mendelssohn did? - Yeah. - Oh my God. - Who is it? - Who is Lord Mendelssohn? - He's like some British, you know. - Peter Mendelssohn. - Sorry, yeah. Peter Lord Mendelssohn. - The British are popping off on him, huh? - Watching get Paddington bear for something, dude. - He always looked a little suspicious, you know? Well, what are some of the other most suspicious things that you've seen from the Epstein Fouls? - Well, so the other thing that I wanted to look into too was the big conspiracy is like, oh, Epstein was running a blackmail operation. He was a spy running a blackmail operation on behalf of Israel, right? You probably heard that. - Yes. - Do you think he was a spy? Or do you think he was just a guy that was like, you know, obviously perverted, pedophile type of dude, who was just like, you know, just a bad dude in the St. Dorks' ship and had a lot of money. - He was definitely a spy. I mean, if you could pull up, he was issued in the 80s in Austrian passport. So I don't know how you can get an Austrian passport. Well, this is a, okay, so fake Austrian passport, right? So you have this name, go up there to the top, right? Morius. - He looks like a little bitch, look at him, right? So then, how do you get one of these things? - Marius Robert was his name? First of all, that's cultural appropriation. I'm gonna go ahead and say that, right now, bro. Shut out all the real Marius is out there. And he said he was Saudi Arabian. - Yeah. This is a real passport that was used. So it's, it's fake in the sense that Epstein obviously was not Austrian. - Right, so he got a passport from somebody. - He got a passport from somebody in the 1980s. And this is before he even met Les Waxner, okay? And so to me, this is some indication that, okay, so he maybe was tied up with the State Department or intelligence, right? He was an asset of some sort that they wanted to issue this to so you could travel around Europe using an alias. - Right, there could have been a hundred different versions of him. - Right. - And he's one that over time just worked well enough, or that had enough success. I think that, with anything you do like a seed kind of program, you're like, let's see, let's see what's going on here. - Well, so based on my historical, cursory historical knowledge, this is done by the C.A. So the 1970s, there's a thing called the church committee. Have you looked into the church committee at all? But that's when all the crazy shit came out with like Cointel Pro and MK Ultra, where they basically exposed the C.I.A for all these covert operation regime change in the Middle East and in Ron, all this stuff came out. 'Cause prior to the 1970s, the C.I.A. would be just doing this stuff. They would just, on C.I.A. records, they're doing this stuff. And then after the church committee, they basically had to go through various channels of like mobsters or like CD characters in order to still continue to do what they do. - Honestly, but have it off the books. - Have it off the books. So then they need guys like Epstein to carry out some of the stuff who's not officially a C.I.A. agent. Before they just had agents going in. - Was that just coming out of Vietnam that that energy just started to change things kind of? - I'm sure, I'm not exactly-- - You know what I'm saying? People started to not just believe in what we were doing was good. - I think it was like the JFK assassination was a big thing, right? Everybody was like, this is really bizarre. Like how did this happen? There was the bullets that went in these three directions. And then there was, you know, the RFK assassination was also very bizarre. MLK, if you looked in everything on one of those, they're all very weird. And I think people started losing trust in the American government. And then on top of that, you had this massive war in Vietnam. Like you were saying. So then there was that political will to like, hey, we need to expose similar right now. I think with Epstein's, like, hey, we need to expose some of these billionaires that are running the country, right? It's gone too far, right? It's not like, you know, we're supporting Israel, but like we're still building nice bridges and we're fixing the roads and the hospitals. It's like, if they did some, I mean, this is a little bit cynical, but if they did some of that stuff, I think people would probably pay less attention to Israel. Like they'd be like, okay, sure, whatever. Do that over there. Why don't they do that stuff in addition to it than I wonder? - That's the big question. It's like, I think it's because everything is so, this is my take going to business school, just by background. It's everything is so like siloed in the sense that you're only thinking about your own company. So it's like, I just want to maximize everything for myself. So they're not really thinking about the collective. Like, hey, if we do this in conjunction with everybody else, like we could, you know, take over the world. They're just like, everybody's kind of getting their own piece of the pie. They're trying to just get their cut. And there's not, I think there's like less collaboration than people think in terms of the conspiracy world, but there's a lot of various conspiracies out there that are very real. That's my take. - As a normie. - Yeah. - Do you, you mentioned Lex Waxner as the guy's name? - So, Les Waxner. So he was the, who is he? - He is the billionaire owner of El Brandt. So he owned a bunch of retail stores like Victoria Secret, Abrahamian Fitch, Bath and Body Works. And he signed over. So this is his, 'cause everybody, so that's when Epstein like went to another level, but then he was actually just opposed. 'Cause he didn't speak about Epstein for a very, very long time. He always said it was, I regret my association with Epstein and he didn't say nothing much. Like he just recently got deposed by the U.S. Congress and he gave this long, I think it was like six hours, but there's some really interesting clips that came out of that. 'Cause people asked him like, "Why did you trust Jeffrey Epstein with all your money?" 'Cause he literally signed over power of attorney of his entire financial estate. - Is that true? - Over to him. Yeah. - Hmm. - And people were asking why, you know, what gave you the confidence that you could trust? It's like, did you, 'cause they're like, did you, how did you meet him? 'Cause like I was introduced by a friend of mine and then so like, what did he tell you that he did to like have you give over, basically control of all of your money? And he said that Epstein was working as the, for the Rothschilds, as their money manager. So I'm like, this is even before Wexner, which is where we think he got all his money. So even before that somehow Jeffrey Epstein, like a high school math teacher was working for the Rothschilds, like how did that happen? - Yeah. - Which is then to me, it's like back to the spy thing. It's like, was he some sort of intelligence asset that was positioned within these, you know, people who were pulling the strings, like powerful families, institutions around the world? That's my hypothesis around it. - Got it. - So that's who he is. And we don't know any crimes that he did. He's just associated with them, right? There's no accusations against this Mr. Wexner, is there? - I don't think there's any specific accusation. I do know, there's a famous documentary that came out where the CEO of Abercrombie was using Abercrombie to recruit young men into prostitution. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - The CEO was of Abercrombie, pull that up. - Yeah, Mike Jeffries. - Yeah, let's get again around him. - Sure. - Mike Jeffries, that's trafficking, yeah. - Right here, former Abercrombie and Fitch CEO charged with operating sex trafficking ring. - Mike Jeffries, former CEO of U.S. clothing company, Abercrombie and Fitch has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking in interstate prostitution, following the week's speculation or validation of professional misconduct. Jeffries' romantic partner, Matthew Smith, who is also a man and association James Jakobson were arrested for alleged role in the enterprise. Oh, did they ever convict him or was just alleged? - I think he's in jail, I don't. - Let me see, a U.S. attorney Breon Pierce said, powerful individuals for too long have trafficked and abused for their own sexual pleasure young people with few resources. - Is he a job very curious if he's in jail? Like, where is he right now? - This is a perplexity question. - It is, huh? Leave this open and scroll down for a little bit and go look at perplexity separately, so I can keep reading. I just wanna see what they're, it describes sexual botaniles, spanning from New York to Morocco in which a recruited man were given drugs, lubricants, condoms, costumes, and sometimes erection, inducing, pin-nail injections that call his painful hours long reactions. Bounders, probably. - I looked it up, he's not in jail. He's a set to go on trial. They just found that he's fit to stand trial. This was in December. - Oh, they're trying to go with the insanity plea. - Well, I mean, that's-- - It's not idea, I mean, yeah, so he's set to go on trial. - So I think about Wesner, Wesner, I keep it, Les Wesner, hard to say his name. Les Wesner is that he's also involved that hold Israeli Zionists, you know, money, movement. Operation from Israel the United States back and forth to support various Zionist causes like he's one of the Big funders of the birthright trips to Israel, right? I don't know how much you know about that, but I've talked to a few people The purpose of that they did describing like that's another crazy sex party type of thing where they get really yes I never heard that I have heard that. Oh, yeah There's this one as well. I've seen yes Israel and the CIA how the Iran Contraplains landed at less Waxner's base. So they're running some kind of CIA operation using Waxner's airport in Ohio and Jeffrey Epstein was facilitating something Within there very complicated, but it's like okay, so these guys are not just Normal people got it. So we're just saying that that guy's an example of somebody that worked under Lex Waxner in one of his companies Well, that less western hired him to run abacomb you got it Who's Howard Lutnik? That's a name that you that you hear a lot. Well Howard Lutnik is the commerce Secretary right now. Okay, the commerce secretary you know us commerce. Yes. Okay, and he was on record He gave this whole melodramatic interview where he said He lived right next door to Jeffrey Epstein by the way literally next door neighbors 9 and 11 that'll come back later He's 70 second straight 9/11. Yeah, so he was right next door to our Jeffrey Epstein and he was asked You know, what was your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? He said well I went over to his house once with my wife. I saw a massage table on the counter I turned I was like, oh, what is this disgusting man? And we left immediately. We never spoke to him I was never in another room with him ever again because this is a disgusting human being and then the emails come out and there's like all kinds of correspondences with with Jeffrey Epstein About like visiting the island. There's emails about them Investing in a company together. So there are very much closer than he let on then let it go Yeah, so he just basically straight up boldface lie to the American people. So is he being held on charges or anything No, but he should be held on charges for another thing which he just did the other day which is You know the Trump tariffs They just voted against him. Scotish is voted against him, right? Yeah, so then he was out there publicly telling the American people Prior to the scotus voting saying oh, yeah, I think scotus will side with president Trump on this one But his firm that's run by his sons now was like shorting these tariffs basically they're buying insurance against The tariffs where were they doing that like on some of these like a polymarket sites and stuff like that? No, it's through some kind of financial instrument that's way more complex than I can probably explain So Howard Lutnik's family firm bought up the rights to tariff refunds for 20 to 30 cents on the dollar after liberation day last year Today the Supreme Court struck the tariffs down for every $100 invested. Lutnik's sons just made three to five X welcome to crony corruption America So that's like inside. I mean, that's just classic insider trade. He's basically he probably knew that they weren't gonna Right because he says that he says on TV saying on I think they're gonna side with the allegedly allegedly Yes, well, yes, I don't feel like I use that word enough today So if yeah, but he there's another connection with him and 9/11 so he was profiting off of Trump's tariffs Yes, right so then allegedly he would have known then that supreme court was gonna do that And then so he's trade so he basically is creating Buzz in one direction, but then he's trading in the opposite direction right because if he felt that they were going to Vote in favor of president Trump. Why would he be executing the trades on the opposite side? Right doesn't make sense unless it doesn't make sense Right, that's classic insider trade. Yeah, but that's a thing about like so many people like look at the leaky faucet They're like who's causing this leaky faucet. But what they don't realize is The true player is the or the people that bought the stream up Yeah, yeah, yeah up from the city up from the water department and they're doing things there that eventually years later We'll cause the leaky faucet and they've set up all these businesses and things along the way like Some people don't realize the strategy sometimes it goes into things right? Well, he is the so there's there's some great We got to get into because he is a CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald Which is They were the tenant of a you know, I think floor 105 to 107 the World Trade Center building okay, and he Did not go to work that day because his wife he this is Trump said this last week There's a clip of him trying to like hey your wife beg you not to go to work that day You never miss today of work in 20 years Aren't you glad that you didn't go to work that so he Like most of his employees died and then he did this whole thing where I don't know if you want to play this clip Or I could just talk through some of the stuff where he basically took all the insurance so they the company was paid insurance money From the airlines and then he pocketed most of that money instead of giving it to the employees. Yes Really then you get passed. Okay, so it's like did he know something like what was going so play play this clip though the clip that I sent Zach There's a lady like how he got his home right next to after it's it's insane Tell me one of the odds that The notary to the deed of what was both Epstein and Howard letnick's property at 11 e 71st Street because yes Epstein owned that property before letnick owned that property It was transferred to Epstein for just $10 in 1992 Epstein passed the deed to a comet trust in 1996 again for just $10 of which a Guido Goldman was a trustee The son of one of the founders of the world Jewish Congress and then it was passed to letnick in 1996 for again just $10 it who notice The deed transferring this property from Jeffrey Epstein to the comet trust in 1996 a Gary Pollard a Gary Pollard just so happened to be in the perfect spot at the perfect time to record the perfect shot of the South Tower collapsing on September 11th 2001 Is it just a weird coincidence that Jeffrey Epstein and Howard letnick owned 9 11 He's 71st Street Wow, I mean kudos to her. She's like digging up like fucking documents. Yeah, she's petting a cat too At the same time, yeah, which heavily reminds you of the person from Inspector Gadget for that guy Where I've never seen Inspector Gadget was an inspector gadget the bad guy or the person who was like the dark guy It always be petting the cat Dr. Claw. Yes. So what was she saying there exactly just to sum it up? I think what she's insinuating there is that there's some kind of foreknowledge of 9 11 that these things that how did letnick even Get this property in the first place right next to Jeffrey Epstein there's some kind of collusive action taking place here There's something shady happening behind the scenes obviously all coincidences as she's saying yeah, but It should be examined a little bit further Especially with the context that if you look somebody somebody like did timestamps and all the emails that were in the Epstein files And there's like a huge chunk that's like missing between 1999 and 2001. That's like all not there So it's like was something and Galen Maxwell's also asked to be on the 9 11 shadow commission Like why would she ask to be on the 9 11 shadow commission like did she just know some stuff like they she was reached out to she said no So like it seemed like they news that yeah here it is This is from at Chris Martensen It's just a complete coincidence that the DOJ is completely withheld all the Epstein documents immediately before during an after 9 11 is that right? Wow the gap 25,000 missing serial numbers I mean, how much do you believe we we talked about this a little bit earlier like that some things feel like theater right? It almost feels like like you hear all these things that like the The Simpsons and they predicted this in every week now. It's like it was written here and it look at this. Yeah, do you believe? And then it starts to like what do you believe about that like how much of the like stuff like this like they lived at 9 and 11 in the next door Do you think any of that's real or all this reading into this stuff? Have you seen enough things really like there could be something here? I think so. Okay. So I think some of it is coincidence But some of it is like predictive programming and that they want sort of for example the top gun example I would say is they want the American come public comfortable with this kind of attack this style of attack It's gonna be awesome. Look how great the firefighters are starting out the fighter jet pilots are going in bombing the Uranium site pulling out great stunts So that top gun was in Iran. That's where that happened. It was a Uranium site in Iran That was you're saying let's put it in a movie before we do it so that it'll feel more comfortable to people Exactly so some of that stuff I think is predictive programming where they do that some of the stuff is coincidence and then some of the stuff I think is like full Sci-op stuff where they try to get you distracted with another issue so they can Maybe brush this real stuff because I do believe the Epstein stuff is real stuff like this is like there's real crimes taking place behind the scenes Like people should be investigated all that stuff. So I'll give you an example which Maybe controversial maybe not but like I for example I think the ice riots are a little bit of a sci-op. Yeah, like that stuff is I don't know how many you know How much you've talked about that, but like I think it's purposely created to be a divisive issue It reminds me of the stuff of the Portland like in the park this antifa in the park riots and stuff And yet renaissance fair people battling Bernie Sanders activists and some of that shit And it was like what the hell is even you know a Star Wars versus Game of Thrones characters someone we could like what is even happening here? Um, I could see some of that because there was there's videos of them like finding a guy who like started up like I'm put like a maltov cocktail in the street or something yeah, and they follow them and like who are you know Interview me and the guys like obviously was just stopping by to do this not really involved I could I think there's more of that that happens than we even know right? I think a lot of the videos you see like oh look at this it seems real but you don't really Somebody could stage that, put the video out, or it could be AI, and you don't even know. - Right, and they particularly picked this issue where there's like, no, it's not gonna be any agreement because immigration is one of those issues like abortion, there's really not a right answer. It's like based on your morality, like some, you know, like some countries are great, like Japan's great, 'cause they're all Japanese, they have their own customs and cultures really cool or Scotland or whatever. America just happens to be like kind of a melting pot that's kind of what we're known for. But there's no like right answer to the amount of immigration you should have. So they picked this issue that nobody can really call together on. And then they send people on the streets, 'cause I'm like thinking, why aren't you sending people on the streets for like Epstein, why aren't you sending people on the streets for like spraying pesticides and all our food? Why is that, 'cause that's a unifying issue, people will actually demand something out of it. This is like, there's no answer 'cause you could look at the same video that's happened with the Renee Good and the other guy, Alex Pretty, right? People will look in the same video and they're seeing different things. And they're like, oh, perfect. Let's amplify this more, let's send more people out there. And now also they create, 'cause I think there's something weird happening here where I don't think Trump is that serious about deporting people, because there's like a business interest in like keeping them here, because you have like depressed wages, a lot of them work in hospitality, a lot of them work in farm. And Trump said, oh, those are exempt. I'm like, well, those are where all they're, well, those are where a lot of illegal immigrants are at. So why aren't you doing that? Well, because your donors don't want you to do that. So then you create this nice show for people, a show of force on the streets. I think the mega people really love the ICE agents going out there and having that presence, it gets them fired up. And then on the other side, then the Democrats are sending their people on the streets. And all of a sudden, both sides have created sort of a pretense to like, now we've got to surveil people. We've got to do a police state. And so you get the best of everything you get. You still get the indentured slavery for the corporations. Now you have chaos in the streets so then you can bring about like the Palantir mass surveillance. That's what's happening. Yeah, so that's the big thing I say. Yeah, for me, I believe that even even like, well, let's also funny that one political party lets a ton of people in the next place. And they're the bad guys. And then the next political party is a, they're the ones who are trying to get everybody out and they're the bad guys, right? It's like, don't you see that the weirdest watching the show? Like don't you realize at a certain point you're just watching? That's what I've been trying to get people to wait. Because I've been shit on for the ICE thing. Because my audience is like pretty split. Because a lot of times I focus just on corruption and just, you know, this guy is doing something bad. I don't really do like party politics and stuff like that. So I have people on both sides depending on the issue. Cause I went hard at the COVID issue, which is like a right leaning issue, right? Against the vaccines. I'm like, these pharmaceutical companies very corrupt and that's a right leaning issue. But then there's other issues that like, people side with more on the left, which is like the pro-Palestine stuff. Anti-Israel, that's like more of a left issue. So then in the, and so then whenever I comment on something that's like really, I think divisive, like I get hate on both sides. I've been called like a communist and, you know, also like a lib tard to like, right wing, Nazi, like every, - You're getting called both things. - Yeah, I'm probably doing a good job. - So I've been called everything like a CCP spy, which obviously, you know, you know, I've been called one (beep) get a couple of times and wigger. So, you know, I think once you're in the game long enough, it's not possible to not be hated by somebody. - Yeah, I think it's like, yeah, then you're probably doing something right. I feel like, you know, and you just have to do your best. - It's like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. - But neither of those guys that had wear in the suits and everything, that's my thing. It's like, those guys don't know what the fuck they're doing. Either they just look like they know what they're doing. And I'm very open. It's like, hey, I'm just giving you guys, I see, like I'm reading one chapter ahead. My job is to like inform you of what I found. And then you could take that for what it's, well, I mean, that's like, I think that's the tie back to what we talked about in the beginning. It's like, that's the role of a teacher. It's like, I'm trying to just give you information. And then I hopefully that inspires you to do something that you want to do, right? But teachers not supposed to say, hey, you need to become X, Y and Z in your life. It's to give you information to then sort of let you then go out there and explore the world. They can inspire you to do something else. - Yeah, that's what I get from your content. It's just like, you know, when I see stuff, it's like, that's interesting, you know, or that. Hmm, that's curious, you know. I think I just get a curiosity about it. And this is kind of one of the first times where media has been open to be able to kind of say what they want. Like media has been vastly kind of controlled by a couple of corporations over the past, what, 50 or 100 years maybe? - Yeah. And you're gonna see a co-op thing. They're gonna try to co-op people like myself. I'm already seeing it happen, right? 'Cause now they can get people to say exactly what they've said in mainstream media, but then through the lens of like a Tik Toker who's just wearing regular clothes. So you're gonna see that battle. Like an information warfare will continue. And then so that's why for me, I've always stayed very, very, you know, diligent about making sure that I'm not taking money for anybody that I don't want, you know, like I'm basically fully independent. I want to say that's why I got in the game. I could have made a lot more money doing consulting work. That was easy, you know, straightforward. But here, you know, I'm just, hopefully here on like more of like a spiritual mission, you know. - Yeah, well, I think, I mean, you want to live, like if Earth exists and we're all gonna live here, and America was this thing that you believe in or that you knew your grandparents believe in? A lot of people are like, you know, I'm trying to believe in what America stands for the best parts of it, the most moral parts of it, or that being a human stands for, because like, you know, I had a family member that died for these goals, right? If family member that, you know, who sacrificed their life to work here in this country under these rules so that I could go to school in a place that was, you know, free Democrat, you know, it's like, I think people just want to have a life. They want to have a chance to live and their children to do so. And if you start to think that there's all these dark controlling forces out there, which most of your probably elites and people that are like extreme capitalists or power hungry, that's very scary. And you start to realize, oh, there is a battle of good and evil at a certain point. - Absolutely. - And that we're in that maybe. You know, sometimes you don't want to think like, hey, maybe I'm a character in something, you know? But maybe you are, you know? Maybe this is a battle of good and evil and you are, you're supposed to have a role in it. Not, you know, you and everybody. You know, which like, sometimes we sit at home we're like, man, I wish I'd have been picked to be like a hero or something. And it's like, maybe you got to fucking tap yourself on this shoulder, you know what I'm saying? Because I do feel like life is a bad, I do feel like there's good and evil in the world right now. And I don't know how it plays out, but it feels scary and it feels alarming. And I just feel like a lot of people feel that. - Yeah, I mean, I completely agree with you. And I would just, you know, to kind of spin it on a positive note. There's a lot of times through history. I don't think we're living through like the worst of times by any stretch of the imagination. I think you could feel that way sometimes with maybe social media and things like that. - Not at all. - Right, but I think they're even in dark times. Like people really struggling out there. I think they're, definitely can be happiness found in dark times. - Oh yeah. - And don't chocolate. Look at that. You know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - There you go. So. - Well, I noticed for sure. It's like, if I need to, like, if I want to get my head out of like some of the rabbit holes, because your algorithm will take you down some crazy, it'll take you down some spots where it just repeats information. And you can feel a little bits of indoctrination coming in. You know, you feel the fucking, you smell a little indoctrination smoke sometimes. You're like, "I gotta quit doing this." But if you separate yourself from your phone sometimes and any of the things that are kind of edger in the world or darker in the world, then things get light again pretty quick, I feel like. - I think so. I mean, yeah, you have to like step away from this kind of stuff. From time to time. It's like, you know your own body better than anybody else. If you think you need to turn it off, you gotta turn it off. And that's why I try to do that with some of my content is like the natural path. If you start looking down these like conspiracies, you get darker and darker and darker. And some people are okay with that. For me, it's like, I still want to provide videos for people where they could still take action. Right, because some of those things like, okay, some, there's some like dark lizard family that's running, you know, running the world. Like there's nothing you could really do about that. But if I give you information on like, hey, Amazon ring cameras are like spying on your family through this old dog thing that is at the Super Bowl, like you should probably get rid of your ring camera. That's something that you can actually do. It's like, I don't want to be a part of that ring camera thing. So I mean, do you feel like they're doing that? Yeah, they are. They were connected with to that company flock, which is giving the footage to exactly to the police. And they thought the dog video would work. They honestly did, 'cause I looked into it and they thought the dog video was a good video. There was this whole PR campaign pre-Super Bowl, but then people saw that weird thing in the Super Bowl with all the lights going out and it's like, oh, hold on a second. And they said, 10 million dogs are lost a year. This is going to find 300 dogs a year of like, 300 out of 10 million dogs. I don't think that's a worthy trade offer. Right, it seems like a scam. It seems like a scam. So then that is a video, that video went decently viral and I think that's something that people can gravitate to because they can actually do something about that. Right. And that's why I'm trying to play sort of a line with my editorialization, which yeah, some videos are going to be about more the conspiracy digs, but some of it's going to be things that you can do something about, right? It's like, what banks are good, what banks are about? You can choose your bank, right? You can't choose like, you know, whether we're going to bond or run tomorrow or not. Right. That's something that's totally out of your control. Right. Yeah, I agree. And like keeping stuff that's in your control. What is a good bank, man? What is a good bank? I mean, I'm not, I mean, I don't, I mean, local bank. Honestly, like credit unions that are in your local community, like small regional banks are probably the best banks because they still, they're tied to the community and they're not some kind of giant conglomerate, like JP Morgan Chase Bank of America, that kind of thing. So that's what I would look for in terms of like, who you should go with. There's something like new fintech stuff. I'm making a video about this company named Chime, which has been sponsoring a lot of content creators that are like, you know, the ones that are all about like giving money, they find some homeless person, they're like, oh, let me help you out for the day, that kind of thing, like really like heartwarming content, but it's like sponsored by Chime, which is like pretty nefarious. I don't have any. all the information quite yet, because I'm still starting to dig, but it's like, oh, this seems like kind of a semi-scam that you're running here, but then you're advertising through all these good content creators that are making heartwarming content, so it seems like that's kind of, you know, there's a little bit of sussness to that. Well, let me just look, trying to rebrand themselves too, you know, it could be-- Well, no, it's a fintech. It's an interesting company. Oh, interesting. So that's something I'm still digging into, allegedly, you know, I'm not insinuating that they've committed crimes or anything like that, but I just think that people, those are things that people should know. Oh, it's like, oh, because they could see that video and like, oh, I should sign up for time to do my banking, but then they can be taken advantage of, because they're not under the regular, you know, FDIC protection, all the regular banking authorities, because they're outside of that. Got it. So that's the kind of stuff that it's like a bit of a balance for me of digging into conspiracies, digging. So I'm like a very much like a generalist in that sense of like, maybe it's just like my brain, like ADD, ADHD kind of thing. I'm not diagnosed or anything like that, but I see something that's like, oh yeah, I'm going to do that for a little bit. And then I'm like, oh, I got to stay on this, but then somebody else has caught my eye. So that's a little bit of a weakness of mine, but also could be a strength in that. I do videos about a lot of different things. Yeah. Well, I think we got to have a go for you. You got to have something that goes in there and digs out in here and like, you know, you choose on this vegetable and then goes over there for a radish and then goes underground and looks at the roots. You know, I think that that's something that we need more than ever in. It's, um, and it's interesting and, uh, and it's just freelance. It's like, you know, you're trying your best for working freelance. What do you want 49? That's your podcast. How often is it out and do you still have you have a co host on it? So yeah. So I do a show called 51 49. That's when I do more of like the investigative digs on my YouTube channel. Okay. And I also host a show called the Today's podcast with my co host, Danny Love. And we, that's sort of like more of like a fun podcast where we're just having conversations about like what went on during the week. She's like much more of like a 10 head than I am. So she's, you know, I'm having a conversation. I'm like talking about Peter Teal, Palantir, you know, they're taking over, um, you know, Valance and then she'd be like, I think Peter Teal's a lizard. Right. And I'm like, okay. All right. Cool. So then she gets a little bit more weird than I do. But it's like a fun dynamic. We're like, you're trying to give you like important stuff, but like packaged and more of like a fun and lighthearted way. Um, so I also do that show called it today. So it's more of like a two hour live podcast that we do every single week. And then if you want the days that's on my channel 51 49 James Lee, you could also find me on Instagram still as well as Facebook. RIP to the TikTok. Then we'll get you back on there, huh? No, not as, not as of right now. I think they're, they're fully under the, the Israeli regime at the moment. Do you think so, huh? Yeah. I know. Yeah. A lot of our stuff got shadow banned on there. It seems like we've had stuff go down. But you, you can't, they can't ban you because you're so big, right? Because me, I was, you know, I think I was around 300,000 followers. So I was like, my, some of my videos will be pop enough into the millions. But I'm not so big. It's like, oh, James Lee is, is deleted. Like there's going to be a huge outroer. Like if you got deleted off a TikTok, there'd probably be a huge, huge backlash. So I'm in that perfect, like perfect place. Like let's get rid of this guy. Because he has enough influence. It's pissing him off. But he's not so big that we have, they find other ways to deal with, I think, bigger people, like for my heart, this guy, Guy Christensen, he goes by your favorite guy on TikTok. So they basically say they just demonetize him or they'll do like weird shadow banning stuff where he still has his account, but they limit the reach in other ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that that happens. I think it happens a lot. James Lee, thanks for coming in, man, I'm sorry we got caught up on time. You know, I got to get to the airport. So that's reason why we're kind of caught up on time. Thank you for, you know, giving me a chance to like speak. Yeah, dude. We'll just speak the truth. Things like that. Or my truth at the very least. I'm just trying to, ultimately, I'm just trying to, to hopefully provide like a voice out there that people, you know, can maybe turn to. Maybe they don't like me. Then you can go watch something else. But like, at least provide that media alternative to what's going on with the world, you know? It's always been able to be curious. I mean, it would be wild if we couldn't be. And I think more than ever, it's like, yeah, there's, yeah, people are trying to figure things out and just want to feel okay, you know? James Lee, thank you so much, man. Have a good one, brother. And I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mine, I found I can feel it. In my bones, I thought it's going to tell you.