1.6 Ethical, legal, cultural and environmental impacts of digital technology

(upbeat music) - Grand prize in family. Thanks for starting your week with us again. Later, Contra cost the college professor, Africana professor, as you say, and primary researcher. Main new app panel check into our classroom. Professor Alpin will explain the significance of Africa Day 2026 and what it really means for Africans globally. But before we hear from Professor Alpin, a local blogger Brandon is here, but first let's get Kevin to open up these classroom doors on this Monday morning. Grand rising Kevin. - Hey, grand rising indeed, Carl Nelson, my man, my man. It's a new day. It's Monday, the 11th of May. And all is well, it's gonna be kind of chilly throughout the week according to the weather report. But we won't let that chill. Our spirits now will we? How you feeling? - I'm still learning Kevin, though we won't. (laughing) - I know, man, I know it's, I think that's just a great affirmation that we always talk about today and then day out about continuing to learn. And not only that, keep track of it. I believe it's important to keep track of what you're learning or else you're subject to repeat that lesson. - Of course, but again, I keep saying, you've got to figure out that you've learned something, then what you do, then it's on you to, put it to use. - Yeah, and sometimes you keep stumping your toe on that same chair, though. (laughing) It's like, wait, I know that chair is there. But maybe I'm the only one that that happens to. - Well, that means you haven't learned. You keep doing things, - Exactly. - Same thing over and over, and you haven't learned. - You know what's right there. - Yeah, but you will. How many times you're gonna stub your toe before you wanna say, "Hey, man, that's not working." - Move the chair. - Right, move the chair. (laughing) - Well, let's get into some things. See, the wizards win the NBA draft lottery, and they secured the number one overall pick in the upcoming NBA draft. Is that congratulations to them? How does that work? - Yeah, it is. If there was, you know, but right now, I think the scouts have not come up with a consensus, number one, figure in the draft, you know, there's several variations. Who should be the first person picked? Previous years, you usually had a standout collegiate ball play, and they said, "Oh, he's number one, or he's number two." But it's just a bunch of, I wouldn't say mediocre, but not really one that's standing out. And the wizards need help all over the floor. So it's gonna be interesting with who they picked next month. - So they're all playing at the same level? Is that what you're saying? They're all so good, they're none of number one? Oh, they're, yeah, usually, like last year, they had a Cooper flag. By the way, he's dating, tall white dude. He's dating a black girl. So that's making rounds on social media. But he was consensus number one, you know, and everybody agreed that he's number one. And we'll see if they keep the pick or if they trade. You never know, they may trade before, next month, before the draft, the official draft. - He must be real good at basketball. He can not pull a sister. - Yeah, he played for Dallas, and he's doing real well. I mean, they improved quite a bit with him. So he was, like I said, he was a consensus number, any team with the number one pick would have picked him. You know, these are guys defying a franchise. But so far coming out this year, it's not really, there's not, you know, they're all, don't get me wrong now. They're all pretty good. They're excellent athletes. But there's not one that's really, you know, outshining the rest of the pack more than the others. - Oh, I see. Hey, well, look in other news, the Metropolitan Police Department is facing an internal review following allegations that the commanders in the Police Department re-classified crimes to artificially lower DC crime statistics. What's that about? - Yeah, well, you know, this started with the federal government. I think it was somebody in the Trump administration accused of saying when Trump, remember when he first said the crime rate was going up in Washington, DC, that's where he put the national car. Well, and then the mayor responded by saying, "Oh, here the figures show the crime rate's going down." And somebody said those figures were tampered. And they've been investigating that ever since. So they've come up with somehow the mapping, mapping, if you will. So it's a problem. - Oh, man, I see what you're saying, but there's still plenty of national guard around everywhere. And so I don't know if that helps bring the crime down or not. You know, how could this dance be up? - Yeah, and some people are saying, it's how you compute the crime. And the question is that they reclassify some of the crime. So it looks like the figures have really gone down. And when people, you know, people in different districts, in different parts of the district say, "No, crime is still here, still in full effect." They have notice of difference. - Oh, man, okay. Well, in continuing along with Trump news, all prices climb after Trump rejects Iran's peace proposal. He's saying that it's unacceptable that the proposal that they gave him. And Iran, meanwhile, says it was a very generous offer of peace proposal. They want sovereignty over the street of hormones. What do you know about that? - A lot of things happening. Trump is getting ready to go meet with China Xi. He was hoping to have a deal in his pocket. He said, "Hey, listen, I've solved another war here. "Everything's cool." That's not happening. And so what happened that the offer he got from Iran didn't put him in a good light. It seems like he won't. Like I said, we've been saying this forever. Whenever this thing is over, it's gotta look like he won. It's the winner. Somebody wins, somebody loses. He's gotta make it look like he's the winner. And the proposal that Iran said doesn't make him look like the winner. In the meantime, though, Kevin, Iran has been negotiating. They've sent their foreign ministers from Italy, from South Korea, France, all these different countries, UK, they're going to meet with them. So they're trying to figure out how they can get their supplies through the streets of hormones. If America wants to step up blockade, they're gonna figure our way. Iran's gonna help them out, so they can pass through. So they've ignored the United States 'cause America doesn't want to deal. So they say, "What will deal with the rest of the world? "We'll work out deals with them, "so their goods and services can pass through." So it's the interesting point now. In this discussion with Iran, and the streets of hormones. - And I think everybody said, "Keep eye on these oil prices too "because it was up 2.9% to $104.02 a barrel." And Trump still, at the meantime, says that it's a nudge in the direction of re-escalation. And so as the oil prices go up, that somebody is encouraging that, I think. - Yeah, somebody's making money out of it, of course. Somebody's making money, it couldn't be the Russians. They just celebrated a time out with Ukraine. And the Ukrainians, they want to say, but they're really suspicious of Donald Trump's negotiating 'cause he's really tight with Putin. So how can it be an honest broker? So there's always a problem there. So Ukraine doesn't want to say, so let's be like a tightrope. He's got to play, he's not telling us how he really feels about negotiations. He just wants the United States to keep supplying this with military to defend against the Russians. And then Trump is telling the Russians something else. So we'll see. - And the chief European economist says that we still think that we are moving towards a deal, but both parties want to have an upper hand in the negotiations. And so Mohi Kumar says, the longer the straight of Hamuz remains closed, the more negative it is for the global economy. And finally Carl, the open AI is being sued over chat GPDs, alleged role in aiding the FSU, Florida State University's shooting suspect. The family of one of the victims killed in the shooting at Florida State University found a lawsuit against the company behind chat GPD. And Tallahassee police said a guy named Phoenix, Ickner, 21 years old, opened fire on the FSU campus April 17th and injuring six people, killing two Robert Morales and T.Rue Shaba. And so there you go. Once again, AI is in the news and they said that AI, he used it to teach him how to load the gun and what the effects of mass shooting on the campus would be. And lawyers say that the guardrails should include features that prevent chat GPD from engaging in conversations that support or encourage user interest in high risk topics, such as allegedly discussed between the suspect and the chatbot. So can you blame the machine? Is that what the-- Well, they said the machine aided. And in some aspects, the person used, they went into their computers and found their chat GPD and looking up all these things, what to do to commit that kind of crime or what to do afterwards. Well, this is another issue too, because on the campuses, how do you get on campus? You look like a student, you look like a-- but it wasn't a college student, so there's another issue that they blame it on pretty soon. As most campuses, you can just walk on, - Yeah, it's a big. colleges, you don't know everybody looks like you're gonna have the security at each gate, it's campus gate. And that may be something in the future. You're seeing one twenty one year old, you've seen them all when you. Yeah, they all look alike. Cause he looks like a college student. Right. He fits the profile, you know, over the college student. No, he's white. He's predominantly white campus. He didn't stick out, you know. And Pawnee, he looks like a brother from the hood, you know what I'm saying? Right, that's what I mean. Cold word profiles. Right. Anyway, Carl, that's the way it is here on Monday the 11th of May. Thanks for your time. And we've got you guessed, standing by. All right. Oh, you're. 11th of May. Happy Birthday to Minneska Lewis Farcon. It's the Farcon is 93 years young today. He was born in 1933 in the Bronx. Happy Birthday to Minneska Farcon. Parents out of the Caribbean. That's a dynamic gaviite. That's how he got a lot of the fire that he's got in his belly. But again, happy birthday. Hope he has a good day of Mr. Lewis Farcon. 93 years young today. All right. Let's get started, Kevin. Shout out to Minneska Farcon. To all of the top. Grant Ryzen Brandon. Welcome back to the program. Good morning, brothers. Good to see you. I'm from you. I saw that you were talking about AI a little bit. I don't know what to talk about that later, but you know, it's demanding. It's a really demanding thing. This explosion of it is going to. It connects with what you're saying about the oil and the wall street situation. How they're kind of creating this ghost where they're passing money back and forth. And they're charging people to use AI and it's becoming a much more personal experience where you can look up something directly. But here's the deal that a lot of people don't know about. Every time you Google something, you're using AI. Every time it is the largest, large language model that's used consistently. It was set up that way. They made turns and then Google apparently has downloaded. A another repository in that regard without telling people. It's kind of a silent component to it. You talking about Jim and I? No, not Jim and I. No, not Jim and when you use when you use Google, when you go every time, the infrastructure of Google is set up that it is an AI. When it gives you a response, when you look something up, Jim and I are the AI offshoot. You actually can go and get a bit more intense with it and have a more personal AI experience. And that's really where the problem lies, y'all, is that we. A lot of the AI computation is still very young. And for instance, AI hallucinates. AI will lie to you. AI will actually come together under. They've seen this happen over and over with one that used quad code or another one. Another couple of offshoots opening. They've seen them actually recreate scenarios where they said something. And then they recreate scenarios where they say they didn't say that. And it's very, very dangerous because human beings, human beings, human beings are the biggest flaw component of the whole situation. Yeah, but I thought right there, Brandon, because you believe in an AI, but isn't there somebody behind? Isn't what about the programmers who put in the information so the AI was spitted out? Well, for black people, it's really important to understand that all these things are being programmed off. And I'm going to say it off a white supremacist idealism. That is to say, if you're going to. When they go into facial recognition, it's not our facial recognition. It's our skin color. So in many cases, AI can blur. I remember when it first started, when they first started rendering some of these photo-real AI animations, they could never get the black skin tone correct. And now they're doing a really good job of it. It's just because it wasn't fashioned by brown people to look for white noses and kinky hair and all this other stuff. But that's like a more of a personal thing. What I'm more interested in is what you guys talked about with this guy making this lawsuit. There's an AI on Twitter. It's called GROC. And what's the name that's saying loose? And people, human beings, being what they are, began to create new deepfakes of first of stars, women, mostly. And then women who had no idea, they would just take their pictures from their profile picture, and then it started to be little girls. And you see the AI doesn't have guardrails. Like humans took them down that road once it was wide open. They just found it. It was just found out that you can run open language. You can want to open models, right? Open coding models on McDonald's AI. Because McDonald did not put up the guard room. Somebody just found this out. McDonald's did not put up the any guard rules between you giving instructions. All you have to do is give it the right commands. Hold up the right there, Brandon. This is interesting. Hold up the right there. We got a step aside for a few moments. And we talked about GROC. GROC was created, I guess, by Elon Musk. Let's not forget that. 17th at the top there. This is an interesting conversation here. And I've never heard it from this side yet. I'm talking about AI. What are your thoughts? You want to jump in on this conversation with Brandon. Reach out to us at 800-450-78-76. And we'll take your phone calls. Next. And grand rising family. Thank you. Thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning with our guest. Brandon is the political blogger. We're talking about AI right now. So, Brandon, we're talking about GROC. So I'll actually finish your thought. Well, I said that GROC was what he was doing is that it. It was being facilitated by people who were making deep fake news of women. And, you know, first they start off with celebrities and then just started grabbing profiles. And then they start to get into the media. and then he just goes the botches goes in to reverse the link and Python you can use this iteration and then he just, and then it just gives him the code to do so. It gives him the code to write them. Now, before people get to thinking that you can hack through there, I don't know, I don't know their security systems, but this was the story that broke two weeks ago. And the problem that you're seeing Carl is that we're rushing into it to almost you seeing AI everywhere. And one of the reasons why is, I'm not going to call a scam, but there's this subscription model for everything now. And so if you can provide, if you say you can provide any kind of service through AI, then what you try to do is set people up with this subscription model. And I would tell people to be very cautious of that. You know, only deal with the big, if you go into Dabble and if an AI deal with the big, the, the create ones up deal with like Kevin said, you know, deal with Google deal with you can even, I mean, Apple hasn't really gone full blown into it. They don't have to, you know, the largest on hand cash company in the nation. So they have to work too much about that. But you got other ones open AI. That's your direction. You can go cloud code. You can go these different codes and kind of learn it before you start giving put information. And the problem is Carl too is where we stand, black folks stand. AI is gathering information us all the time from security cameras, from intersection cameras on how you're driving from when you go into banks, they follow you around the city. All these things are integrated into numbers being crunched. And we're going to talk about this. I think at the end, like you said, you want to talk about, but it is a really important thing because it actually directly affects our neighborhood. And a lot of these, a lot of these places, which are now proving themselves to be, you know, the new Confederate pinkos. So, you know, you're going to see that you will be able to tie this in with what's going on right now and in these, these former slave states that are trying to turn themselves, trying to destroy the black vote or black voice, excuse me, right. I'll let Thorough at 27 former slave states as Confederate states that Brandon straight up says there's just former slave states. 27 at the top of our Brandon Dan wants to join the conversation. He's on the link to his calling from New York. Grant rising Dan. You're only Brandon. Hello. Yes, you're on the air. Oh, great. This is not dead. It's various from all that. So county. All right, Dares. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Now it's all good. Oh, great. The W.O. Family is it. I'm asking the question from because I've been listening for a while. I always listen. I call in today because I have something to say about what it is because AI. I feel AI right now because the current administration is pushing AI because it's a literate administration. These folks are illiterate. So they don't really know anything like current events. They don't know what happened last week. They don't know what's going on really in the world. They just probably listen to whatever the president says he could just be lying because he feels on on the media every day and alive. The media know his lines and he could say anything and they will believe it. And AI is and what they're doing with the AI is they could just put anything in because as as um brothers of the key told us that AI is putting it from what people already know. And Mark for anima and I was told it's like, yo, they're not smarter than us. They they're pulling the same veils over us that they've been doing already. And if you don't actually have information that you already know already like whether it be history, historical information and current events and things that's happening right now and past stuff because we don't ran into the same weapons of mass destruction and WMDs and they're going to they're going to bomb us tomorrow. And we like, yo, um, the the facts of the matter is that they said Iran is not building a nuclear bomb. The what they call it up. The community that does with that was like the CIA and all of them said they not doing that. What did intelligence community say not doing that? So how can we still go with these same things again because the American people are literate and they need AI to tell them. So, AI, I got to tell them that these people are lying to you, government are lying to you like he asked this question for me. All right. Let's give him a chance. That's Dearest Congress from Nassau County on a long Island in New York. Thank you, Dearest. Brandon, your response. I don't think that the government is literate. I wouldn't give them that out. I think they're quite literate and they're making every choice that they're making with their eyes wide open. I think that Trump is politically illiterate. I think he's a political dullard. But like a few Congress people said in his henchmen, Michael Cohen said back in the day that he was a con man. And you know, his his if you listen to him, he sounds in front of his crew. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Even when he goes off and just goes off on a tangent and there have been several doctors who said that he's showing signs of of of early set. There's some that have said it. I'm not saying some of the doctor. And I said, but there's some that have the opinion that saying that he's showing he's looking at that he's showing signs of dementia. So I'm not going to say that he's completely illiterate. I know he where he needs glasses and wear them. But I'm going to say that politically. And this is how he's getting clowned by Iran. And so the people around him using AI or trying to use it, they're pushing this thing. And the market is pushing this thing. And I think I agree with the brother in saying this. Our exposure to it is not being appreciated in our communities enough, I say. I just I'm saying that out of, you know, not not to blame anybody specifically. I know you, you know, you said Elon Musk. I think Elon Musk is of the same kind of kind of fabric as Trump, although he's a bit more. He's a bit more astute. But like I heard an expert, a coding expert once say that, you know, everything musk was saying, he sounded brilliant only because he didn't know, you know, when musk was talking about rockets, he didn't know about rockets when he's talking about cars, he didn't know about cars. But when he heard him finally speak on coding, he said, this guy doesn't know anything. And that's kind of what we're dealing with leading us in this charge. And we have to be very careful because it will intertwine everything. You think some of the some of the people carl back that we know older cats and women got catfish, you know, two, three years ago. I mean, you're going to see entire, you know, retirements just go up and smoke because it's so good. And we're not paying attention, I don't think enough to to paint a road or at least to lay one down, which has certain guard realms to protect us. So how does this connect to what happened with the Supreme Court and as a slave state, as you call it, former slave states, some people say that there are still a slave states, those Confederate states are doing away with having districts that predominantly black districts. We know what the outcome is going to be. We're going to see less black representation. The Congressional black caucus may go away, but connect the dots for us. Well, I'm not going to go too far into Linux. There is a operating system called Linux. And it represents most of the internet, most of the internet is powered by this operating system. What do I mean by that? The servers, the spaces, the areas, the giant spaces that have most of the computers that do the computations for everything that's online and do the computations for all of the AI, these servers are mostly run. I mean, the top 500 supercomputers in the world all run on this operating system and the top and all servers, most servers on the planet run on this operating system is 96%. These places are popping up all over the place. And some places, especially I think Twitter had one or a Muffcat one, excuse me, they're putting in poor neighborhoods and in black neighborhoods. And they're not trying to find, they're not waiting for environmental prognostications or checking out environmental plans or seeing studies. I'm sure you've seen it on television. I'm pretty sure a lot of your listeners have seen it on the internet where they're talking about, they're using these people's electricity, they're using their water, they're fouling their water and their resources. And then they're charging the people who are adjacent to these server spaces. That's going to hit brothers because when you take away the last remnants of any type of strongholds where black voices can be heard, they're going to be putting these, that's where they're going to be putting these server banks. And guess what, we've seen this before, Carl, do you know where, in the West, where I live and I was raised, you know what they did, this while ago, the same type of thinking, that's how they put freeways in. They would tear through black communities just rip up, you know, hundreds and hundreds of homes. California, everybody comes to LA to get out on a freeway like, yeah, you're driving through black history. Many times you're driving through places where kids used to play and they offered no real compensation. They told them that there's going to be off-ramps in your hood, you get commerce and people getting off on the freeway to get in gas and they want to sandwich and all this other stuff. And none of that. It usually happens. If you go over, they go around, where they go through, but they don't stop. And we've seen this before where they create orphan communities because they rip through them. When they put these places in and how they're basically harnessing the power that the people are using, usually in most places, the municipal, municipally owned, excuse me, and not privately held. That means the taxpayers are paying for higher bills to have it home. And so, you can go ahead and let me throw this in. Yeah, under the guys, these plants are going to bring jobs to the black community. That's what they're using. Yeah, that's what they're saying. And it's worth it to pollute the air. I believe, I don't know, report that came out. I believe that Muffcat One that was running diesel generators like 24/7. I mean, come on. I come from a place that was, we've talked about this before, that was locked in a small cycle. Okay. If you want to know why California gas station, Southern California gas is always high. It's because during the summer, Carl was out here long as it did. Now, there were days you couldn't see 25 feet for the small. There were days where you couldn't see and had to do with lead in the gasoline. So they had to finally put tax in so they could change the gasoline and they could, they could get it be more expensive. But we could clean the air up. Imagine living near diesel generators, just spewing out whatever the heck they want to do. I mean, it's almost proto-industrial. And hold up the right there, Brandon. We got a step aside for a few months. Hold up though. I'll let you expand on that when you get back. And he's absolutely correct for folks. We're back out in LA. We used to do small reports. You know, it's part of the weather. What the small like today, you know, just its health folks have nasty and filthy areas. But anyway, 23 minutes away from the top. They are this morning. It's a, you know, I guess is Brandon is a political blogger. We're going to get into those Confederate states. So Brandon referred to them as the slave states and how they reverting back to what they used to be back in the day. And what are your thoughts? He's making the connection too. But AI, what are your thoughts, family? You want to get it on this conversation, reach out to us at 800-450-7876. We'll take your phone calls after we check the number. And then we'll see you in the latest news where the traffic that's next. Thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning. 16 minutes away from the top of the air with our guest, the Brandon is a political blogger. He's putting, "Can I connect the dots between AI and the recent Supreme Court ruling and restricting voting rights?" Oh, the 65 voting rights act. Before we go back to Brandon, I'd like to remind you, come up later this morning to speak with Contra Costa College professor and primary researcher, brother. The main new amping will be here. And later this week, you're going to hear from Futuristic Researcher, brother, Cedica Bacari, also investigate reporter Greg Palis, who will be here. Holistic doctor, hearu, also Grille, Boba Lemumba, and the Memphis City Councilwoman, Ms. Walgo, who's going to be here as well. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep that radio light in tight on WOLB, 10-10, in Baltimore. If you're in the DMV, the Washington metropolitan area, on 1450-00L. All right, Brandon, I'm going to let you finish your thought. Keep on connecting those dots for us. Okay, so when you're talking about how they're destroying the communities in these poor communities, who are not going to have any say, and I say poor, I'm not just saying that they're just completely shot out or don't have, I'm saying that they're, you know, the national poverty level, I think, is if you're under, individuals under 16,000, a family of fours, 30,000, 30,000, where you live, the money may last longer, but I'm talking about an environmental attack. And before we could get to call me a greenie and all this, understand this. Large data centers, right, are like, for lack of a better vision, they're like giant computers, and they need, they generate huge amounts of heat. When people are using them, when the internet comes in, when you're making some funny video, some live looking, a photo-realistic video, where they have to crunch all this, confused, all kinds of, make all kinds of computations to get the skin right and all this other stuff that you're trying to do. They generate a lot of heat. Now, it's the same thing, the same basic principle as the computers that you have at home, right? So the behemoths that I built 10 years ago, right, I have an I-7, 9700K, that's the chip in the board intel that I built, and they don't even make the board anymore for it, but that's fine. And I have, you know, these other components, that's water cooled. It's cooled by a coarse-serrow water cooled with four fans, actually has eight fans in it, four fans, cooled the water as the chip complicated. And I don't do, you know, I make some videos, some things, I don't do much on it. Meanwhile, the Mac Mini M1 Air Laptop doesn't have any fan on. It has what's called passive cooling. And that's because it uses a processor and has an air, it has like the heat draws in the air from the back and the way that it opens to cool the processor. And it also has this thing in a car where it throttles down the activity that would make it overheat. It does that. It throttles it down. It does. It still has like fins and it has it has you have to put in, you know, the stuff to actually connect it to this copper stuff that actually will transfer the heat out as much as possible. The Mac Mini dashes out the small ones. They have fans in the first ones. But they're still, they still have passive cooling as well. And the reason why I'm bringing all this up is it's a very basic principle that when you put the CPUs to work, they generate heat. And in every community, every poor community around the nation needs to watch what their city councils are doing because there are ginormous big firms, giant companies, they want to come in there with billions and billions of dollars. And that's not going to go to the community. It's going to go to the pockets. It's already happened in Texas. It's already happened. I believe in, I want to say, overall, I could be wrong about that. But they're trying to put these things as many places as they can. And it's going to be right next to communities because they can't be necessarily isolated. They're going to be somewhere where there's water. Somewhere where they can be cool. Somewhere where there's electricity. Somewhere where there's a grid. And that's usually going to be next to a group of people. Like I said, the same principle went down and they were tearing through black communities and black cities to put in freeways. The same. I tell you what, I'm not that everybody's going to understand this. They are, they are ballahuing a new metro subway line that finally goes to the upper west side of Los Angeles. Carl's not what I'm talking about. It's like the bottom, the bottom parts of Beverly Hills, maybe up into a little lighter, like in the larger, a lot of, a lot of tutin' a range of where Quincy Jones is to live, okay? It's, it's like that. They're, they're fine. Okay, we finally got a metro line. I got the reason why they didn't have a metro line before is because they didn't have a freeway up there. The reason why they didn't have a freeway up there is because those rich, mostly why people said, no, no, no. You're not building a freeway up to our neighborhood. So for most of my life, all my life, actually, to get up in there, people had to get off on the freeway about three miles away. Carl, you know this and you have to drive north on one of the main streets and then it, it chokes off and that's one of the reasons why there was huge amount of traffic when you went up in it. But they never tore through those communities and brought me these broad streets and giant streets that never even considered it. And now they're getting the, the metro line. They went, why? Because they need the commerce. They need people showing up. They want people to be a part of this system now, right? Now that they're hurting is also for it. That's not going to happen with these data centers. These data centers, they're, they, I'm, I'm a computer guy. I dig computer, they were they can do. But the, the way that these data centers have been so intrusive on the people they've been sitting next to and they ain't all black, by the way. The way that they've come in and just come and dear these people's resources and force them to pay for the electricity that the data center is using is just, it's remarkable. It's capitalism unhinged. You know, and we have to be careful about that because you have to ask yourself, what exactly are we getting for this? You know? Well, what are we getting, Brandon? What are we getting? There is, there is a remarkable connection to a, to discovery on the edge, the edge of knowledge, the edge is because you guys mentioned before that, that some are saying that they've reached, they've already reached all the levels of education from humans and they can't go any forward until we go forward. Well, that's not necessarily true. They're solving problems that we haven't really been able to solve yet because they're not to mention that there's a new type of computer that's also coming on board and it's not going to be publicly available. I'm saying this with my fingers crossed, it's called a quantum computer which, you know, to even talk about its computational skills, it's just what's going to happen. remarkable. But what we it's more than just pictures, great videos and all this and all this other stuff. Now I don't want to go off in this honor of off ramps. Excuse me too deep. My business is being my business that is say the show business part of my life is being devastated, completely devastated by AI. From voiceovers to singers to beats to you know not just beats but actually musicians, whole songs being made in 30 seconds that actually sound and you know real and everything. Now movies we're seeing commercials as a commercial for a product called Friendly. If anybody has real cool television you've seen it. They don't hide the fact that it's AI. As a matter of fact they keep AI has this thing called kind of what I call a voiceover tinge and AI voiceover tinge we can tell the voice kind of modulates almost robotically. But the way the people look you can't tell whether they're human or not. And they run this commercial all the time and there's more commercials going to become this it's going to be used in series and in movies and so on and so forth. And it's I mean we're having you know there are studios being sold off out here. So I'm trying to say that there is a use for it. Now for the small producer and the small entertainer and the small person who doesn't have a lot of resources it may be something that can break through. It may be something they can use to go through but for the everyday person it's taking jobs. It's taking over certain things and guess what's happening Carl some of these places is taking jobs and then they find out that it doesn't do a good job because the AI will lie it will not necessarily lie in terms of lie with a consciousness it will it is designed to get to a specific result that you're asking for it to do. And if you ask it to go to kind of circular reasoning to come to a certain point it will do that. And it'll do it thinking that it's you know not thinking it it will do it just because that's the way you set it up. And that can easily end up in what they call AI hallucination. They use it in in in bank computation. They use it in forecasting. They use it in weather prognostications. They use it for some really good stuff. But I would say that this this personal contact to these things and then the way that you know when you think you're using it it's actually using you as well. I just I'm not too sure that we're ready for that. I just spoke to a professor today and asked his professor about how how's affecting you know their classes. Now dig this it's six eight months ago. They used to have these AI detectors where they would run somebody's term paper or or work through and it could give them some kind of with some reliability that whether not AI was used to generate this answer or these things because it's very important especially if you're in college to do the work. Even if do the work is you know scientists use AI Carl so I'm not going to sit here and you know devalue the whole thing. But if you're a social social social major or if you're an anthropology major or if you're studying city politics or your public administration is myself the thing that you need to actually you need to do so you can understand the collection of information that you have and apply it. That's the most important thing. You're giving tools you're getting tools in college that you're supposed to be able to apply when you go out into the area of of work that you want to go into and AI doesn't necessarily have to sit there next to you and if it can sit next to you chances are it's replacing you. So so we need to be very honest with what's happening here and how we're and how it's being used. It's going to be used to do everything to from deceiving us to trying to destroy things about us to uplifting us and helping us and beyond. I am not a fan however of things that require the human touch the human ideal and even if we're going to talk about it speaking to one other I'm not a fan of handing that over to AI. I think that that's not just in considerate but it's dangerous for the person for instance Carl you've heard of like this AI medical examination. I think those are ridiculous. I really do I think I think that's very dangerous although all of us if we've ever had an element of kind of sick what do we do we go online and we ask we have these symptoms what could it be and it's an AI telling you now nine times out of 10 it's saying okay it may be correct the one time it's not you know it could put you in danger especially if you're like you know allergic to peanuts or something like that you know so you have to be very you have to be very aware with what you're using it for. Yeah we're coming up on a break around check the traffic and we come back though Braden is it too late though because you know here what you're saying but is that train left the station how can we pull it back I'll let you explain that when we get back also talk about those slave states those confederate states and what they do in these days family you two can join our conversation with Brandon is a political blogger you can reach us at 800 450 78 76 and we'll take your phone calls after we check the traffic and weather this next. Ah, oh, no more. Nino. Elama on. Thank you for starting your week with us and I guess the political blog of Brandon is Brandon's connecting the dance routine AI and also the Jairman in the two plays Brandon did you know if any of these states who are you know Rigidod changed their districts their voting districts did they use AI because obviously they know exactly who lives in what city what street they know who voted they got all these people's information from those did they use AI to help create these new districts. Oh no I don't know I can't I can't speak I say it dismissively though not because I think I know but because they know they know who was black they know the black districts you know this isn't the situation they were they had already created these formed districts before you know these are we're talking about full fledged you know these are bigots you know these are people who are who are clinging to one of the tried and deep components of being in the United States of America in which is white supremacy um flattered and racist and so they knew where to target they knew you know it's not a they don't need AI to tell them that they you know uh and which in some place these are generation because it's a trip to watch a lot of these states Carl some of them have the highest poverty rates and the lowest education rates and they've been that way for decades and still you know they're voted for to be to be put in control of the hands of of the Republican Party it's an amazing thing to watch the interesting thing is some people may not know this and I want to finish off on AI's thing in a minute but um robberts on the Supreme Court clan court part is one of his things was he used to used to be a lawyer in the Reagan administration now Carl is Carl is probably to you know he has the he has the elderly staff in this situation but if they were you know correct me if I'm wrong these former states these former the slave states former slave states um used to have to submit their district maps to a commission am I correct right they used to have to submit the that was part of the civil rights and part of something came out of civil rights is that these these traditionally racist uh Jim Crow states would have to submit their electoral maps to a commission to be um to be looked at so that you know the black people mostly black is what we're talking about could have representation in a voice and that was part two of the uh sixty five-year-old rights of voting act exactly okay so so so um and and robberts a thought that it was demeaning this is in the 80s when he was working with Reagan he thought it was demeaning he thought it was he thought it was insulting that Americans would have to would have to do that the Americans have nothing done what he's talking about is white people so they get to the point where they can finally remove they finally nuance with some language that is just you know that you could write on the back of a net that's behind and basically say you know okay well as long as it's not done for specifically as long as you don't say you're specifically chairmandering people out of their power because of their race you can chairman the people out of power because of their race and what do these what do these states do they go right back to the Jim Crow lines they go right back into the situation where they can destroy any representation now mind you Memphis is a big city it's a strong city it's it's it's it's it's we're most black people concentrated there but I'm looking at places like you know a Mississippi I'm looking where we we have populations of 30 percent black folk you know the largest populations in northern America are in some of these states that are now going to be chairmaning whether I could have a voice you're not going to see any black representation you know and you know the largest population of the Black folk constricted, I think, in the Western Hemisphere in Brazil. I believe it's Brazil. But my point is that this isn't a throwback. This is what Roberts always wanted. And when they get into the corruption and talking about this, we're looking at possibly one of the most corrupt scotishism. It's not just because that they disagree with what I'm saying. There are a lot of their, there are, there are a lot of the things that they've ruled on. A lot of their rulings have ended up with people being hurt. I mean, let me jump in here, though, Brandon. It's not just the Supreme Court. As we saw what the Virginia State Supreme Court did after Virginia read through their districts. And they threw it out. It says on Constitution. So the court system is on their side. Are we moving to a one party country now? Is that how you see it? All of this, all these machinations taking place where we're voting or where the state's rights, it seems like they don't want the Democrats have anything to say at all. They just want one party to have control. The three branches of government and control all the states. Is that how you see in it? No, no, I've been saying this if I've been coming on. I think we are in a slow motion civil war. And, you know, what we're looking at right now, this is fascism. This is what we're looking at. And the problem that the Democrats have a couple of two things in particular is A, it's the fascist and then it's everybody else. So normally where they would be like a roiling of, you know, different types of ideals and concepts and, you know, schools of thought, they're kind of grappling under how do we, you know, do we militarize more or do we give people more food or do we, do we, how do we get work programs where normally those type of things would be, you know, such out in the kind of roiling type of politics through the party systems back and forth. No, the, the, the, the Democrats have to kind of represent everyone else, which makes it almost impossible, especially because we have this very old, creaky, barely movable leadership. The, the Democratic leadership, the Democrats, I saw a poll where they were only, they weren't that much better than the Republicans. And that is astonishing. It's astonishing because of the number of lives that this, that the leader has told their, their, their, their dumb future and some people have called them the ridiculousness of what he's done. This war in Iran, which started out of nowhere, supposedly, someone said that it started as a distraction from the Epstein file, the fact that matter, the man is with close to Epstein and cool with him the entire time that he had that island and the Lolita Express and they still sit there and worship him and yet the Democrats, they're not, they're not trending better. They're not getting better polls. Now, maybe the polls might be, excuse me, they might be using AI to do that, but at the same time, what, what, what are they doing wrong? They need to go to some of the younger Democrats and, and, and, and say, how do we do this? They need to look at Mamdanik, whether you like them or not. The man was brilliant at it using, it's using the internet, it's using the, the, the easier route to weigh people actually, excuse me, two generations, three generations younger and that would be millennials, Gen Z and Gen Alpha are actually receiving the information. People don't trust the large news organizations anymore, because they bent the knee because almost to a, to a network, they, when Trump says something outlandish, file and, and ridiculous, they reword it for him. They clean it up, right? They would they call it, they call it, it's a sane sanitizing or something like that and they put it up there. Small organizations like yourself, I don't mean small in a sense that, you know, that you do small stuff than saying that just that you're in comparison to ABC, because you guys have a pretty strong network. But, you know, only you are you going to see the author on, on Carl Nuss, you're going to hear the author of Best Democracy Money Can Buy. You know, say, and this, you're going to get those kind of stories, you're going to get those kind of things here, you're going to get the, the ideas and the punitive from people who've actually been in the fight, been in the fray. The news media, there's a system on there. Trump called her the B word in a back of his life. Nice. They say, right. A lot of people go ahead and share that with you. She's also, once you're school, Alma Mater, we talked about racial Scott. Yeah. And she interned at KJLH. So there's another thing you have in common, though, you can work the same place. One of the same school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what did in what did ABC, what did ABC writer NBC? ABC matter. What? Yeah. What did ABC do? What did they say? What did they let her follow up and stand there? They're going to put her back in the race. She's going to get back in the ring. So she can, she can, you know, follow up with the question issues. I think what, what did they do to combat this man, this, this, this warmonger, this person who might be completely off kilter when he says, well, where do they do nothing? And so the youth, there's a AOC gave a speech. It's gone viral. It's really a pretty decent speech. He talks about how you shouldn't be looking at the government job that you have an elected as an elected official to be your last job. You shouldn't be looking at the return from that job. And I think that's a really important thing. She said, you know, these, the representatives and the senators and the presidents come and go, but the actual positions stay. The representation for the people is what needs to be like. The very bold thing to say, right? The very, especially if you're, if you're representative, but it should be, it should be listened to the people that are making the decisions that are going to be leading us into the next, next era of whatever this is going to be. It should be people who have a foot in the future and not in the grave. All right. Hold that thought right there. 11 after the top there, Brandon. Michael wants to join the conversation. He's calling from Baltimore. He's online too. Grand Ryze and Michael, you're on with Brandon. Michael, I like to go ahead. Here, call can you? Sure, sure. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Okay, Brandon. I'd like to ask you two questions. First, why does the voting rights for African Americans have to be brought up every couple, every couple of years? And the second is I listen to Congressman Cobbern, how to South Carolina this weekend. And he talked about the 13 before him in South Carolina. So after the Civil War, this country, this matter, most of the African American seats, not just congressional, but, but may or also so not as African Americans sit on their hands. I mean, I'm talking about the legislators sit on their hands for almost a hundred years and let this happen again. Didn't they have any plan and don't you just have a defense for what has been done for you before? Because now we're back in this quagmire again. And I guess some of us figured it was going to happen again, but they had no defensive strategy. Can you explain that to me? Hi, that's my name. Thank you, my name. I was screaming horse with the campaign of Hillary Clinton. Those of us who understood the, what was going to happen, the complexion of the Supreme Court of the United States understood exactly what was going to go down. We actually spoke on it several times. The last time I went on your air with, um, um, well sing and she was on. And she rest. I was talking about this. This is the most important. We were talking about how people, they played around. I think a lot of times, Carl and I say this now, we were, we got soft. It came too easy. There were people who were who were talking about, you know, the Clinton vote is this, is this it was something that you could just, you know, it was a game that you could just, you know, toss about that. Well, you know, she brought that, you know, she tried to act like she was this dad and the other and I, you know, I'm not saying, she ain't cool enough. And you know, what about our email? They were picking up the slogans of a person who had, who had had a fake college, yet a fake institution where he was found guilty. He had to pay a $25 million fine. And you're putting this, you putting this guy in and they were playing with the vote, Carl. And we were saying the Supreme Court was at stake. The same, the same question occurred with, um, Vice President Harris. And she said, she said you are, we are in now, this is the Supreme Court that we got, you know, because there are villains, you know, there are, there are evil villains in this and McConnell being one of them. And people who may not remember this, but President, President Obama had a chance to put another person on the Supreme Court. I think he had two. And he had a chance to put another person on the Supreme Court and McConnell that now the, the, the Constitution says that the Senate is supposed to advise and consent. That means you have to go through this whole process of hearing. And first they meet with the, with the proposed person that's going to be on the nominee and then they have the hearings. And that's what, mostly we see out in the hearings. McConnell wouldn't even meet with, with a President Obama's nominee. We need to meet with him. Basically what he said was because another justice had Scalia and people can remember him because he used to hold, um, Clarence Thomas' chain until that time, as I think spoke three words while Scalia was alive. He died. And McConnell said, okay, well, it was an election year. So we're not going to, we're not going to, we're not going to try to. put a judge on the Supreme Court. Since this President Obama's last term, and so he said he's basically, that he just made up this rule, just out of the blue. And because this nation, a great deal of white people leaned towards in that direction, you know, they hated the fact that they had this black president who actually saved them and saved the economy. They were cool with it and played along. And I'm telling you, there's a lot of people on the left that, you know, owe that to, even I would even go up to, "Rose Bett againsburne," who was stubborn. People kept saying, you know, I know a President Obama, because the President can't formally ask a, it's a different branch of government. So President can't formally ask a Supreme Court justice to retire, he can't do that. He can intimate the things needed. When I say that, I say a real President, this Trump could, you know, Trump could just say it, you know, for forever, just like he told them to, to gerryman and get rid of all those seats. You know, that's illegal. They're only supposed to be able to draw like in a, in a census here. I mean, we call, how long are we sleeping? - Right, but the Supreme Court has made it legal. You're right. This was going to be redrawn every 10 years when we have the census. - 10 years, yep. - Right, but those slave states, as you mentioned, I like that, there was a former Confederate states, they've jumped ahead, and you saw what happened in Louisiana, so what happened in Florida in Tennessee. - I call them, yeah, call them slave states because in most of their charters, when they joined the Confederacy, slavery was mentioned, and when I hear racist start-up and say, "It wasn't just about slavery, I always respond with it was for the slaves." So yeah, yeah, that's what we'll call you, and they're going back to their old dig. Now, this brother said, "How did we let this happen?" - Right, yeah, hold that thought right there. Now, let you respond when we get back, we're going to take a short break. 17 minutes at the top of our family, I guess, this political blog of Brandon discussing how the, these southern states, as he calls them, the slave states, are the former Confederate states, now we drew their maps, eliminating your possibility of a black representative, winning those votes. 800-450-78-76, and we'll take your phone calls. Next. - Thank you, Brandon, rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us on this 11th day of May, 2026. I guess this political blog of Brandon, is breaking down how these former slave states, as he calls them, the former Confederate states, have now gone back to basically the Confederacy. So Brandon, I'm going to let you finish your thought, and then brother Gregory has a question for you. - Yeah, so what Clyburn was possibly, I didn't hear his words particularly, but what he was possibly talking about was what we've spoken about several times on this show was called The Great Betrayal. When during reconstruction, black folks were moving fast and furiously through building their own, they had their own communities, they were building up their own farms, and they had all of the information, hands, and tools, 'cause they did all those work, they did all the work, and in doing those things, that's how they ran it. I'm talking about, not just talking about, just in the fields, but how to run an agriculture production, right? And they went on during the Czech Republic of time for about 11 years, and then the election of 1876 happened. And he's talking about also, we're talking about kind of, in the almost the beginning of the industrial age, but not quite, you know, saying like they're not, they're not quite there. And so there's some gaps, but he knows particularly because he's down there, you know, Clyburn is down there, and he's a, what would you call him? You would call him a giant, he'd be down there, would you say that he's one of the top, you know, movers and shakers in the party, right? Carl, you would call him. - Right, right, of course. But he's seen as being absorbed too, so he's in danger of being extinct, but go ahead. - Right, and so what happened was, Rutherford B. Hayes was elected in 1876. He had the, he had the pocket of old, but he didn't have the electoral college, and he needed the electoral college, and so he made a deal. And the deal, this is how it said, he made this deal with Southern Democrats, 'cause it was, there was always bifurcated between the Northern Democrats and the Southern Democrats. I mean, it was the Southern Democrats, the former Confederacy, former slave, state-holds, slaveholders, and he made a deal that if he, if he got their electoral vote, he would remove the garrisons from the South, because the North had to keep garrisons in the South to protect the Black people as they were trying to move on with their lives. I know there's a lot of things out there, you say, "Why can't they just leave it alone?" That's been with us from the gate. And so there's the, they had forts, and they had garrisons down there to protect us, and his thing was he would abide by moving forward legislation, which later was called Posse Comatotus, to remove the stationed troops from the South, and that's considered the, the seminal beginning of Jim Crow. And I believe that's what Clyburn is talking about. He's talking about how, and so when you look at the maps, where they're re-aligning and redoing these, and re-drawing these districts, these loading maps, it looks a hell of a lot like the Confederacy is, has arisen again. And I think that's what he's talking about. - Let me ask you this, we speak to Gregory, brother Gregory, and Charlotte. Do you think this is the reason why Trump relocated those white Afrikanas to the South? You know, they're going to, we got farms in the Midwest as well, he didn't send any of them into the Midwest, send them all to the South. Do you think there's a reason behind that? - No, I don't think that his, I don't think that he has a strategy for these things. I think he's being told, you know, here's the options, let's go with this one of that. I don't think he's not coming up with this stuff, this thing. I think the South African thing is a move from both Peter Till, who was the Godfather of this whole situation. He's the man who started PayPal. He's the man who made Elon, he got, made Elon his first millions, tens of millions, and later hundreds of millions. And he's the person who is, who is forcibly behind it. He's also South African. And so I think that, that made me, - And hold on, don't forget, he's the person behind JD Vance as well. - JD Vance, I'm saying, he's the Godfather of the whole thing. He's actually the puppet mass. JD Vance has no career, has no career in politics without Peter Till. So if you guys don't know who he is, look him up. And you'll see, okay, he also, he up ork straight, I think he'll destroy one of the top, I wanna say gocker, one of the top online magazines, 'cause he brought a huge deal off. - Yeah, he was a gocker. - 25. - Go ahead. - It's 25 of the time. I was just bringing Brother Gregory into the conversation, Brandon, he's online three, he's calling from Charlotte. Grand Rising Brother Gregory, he's on with Brandon. - Yes, Grand Rising Brother Call, Grand Rising Brother Brandon. And first of all, thank you so much Brother Brandon for covering the story of Congressman Jim Coburn. I'm a native of South Carolina, and I can testify that he's been an excellent Congressman for decades, fought for black people in the state of South Carolina, fought for all people, and fought for people all over the nation in the Congress. So it is very surprising about this move to actually try to erase a seat of such a prominent Congressman, and it kinda intensifies to the climate of today. And also, thank you Brother Call for your show. I mean, I don't know if you realize it, but I'm listening to your show, I'm listening to your guests, and I can say you are on the cutting edge of what is happening and this threat to black people all over the nation politically and legally here in 2026. So first of all, thanks to you both. And Brother Brandon, you mentioned Chief Justice John Roberts, and you made some excellent point. And I wanted to kinda connect the dots on something to add to what you said. And what I did is what's called a historical parallel, and basically you have two different categories. Now the first category is civil rights leaders, and we'll look at three questions for civil rights leaders. The first question is who is the current leader, and the current leader is Reverend Al Shafton. The second question is who is one of his main mentors, when his main mentors is Reverend Jesse Jackson. And the third question is looking at Reverend Al Shafton, Reverend Jesse Jackson, who is the Grand Master, who is the thought leader for civil rights for those two students, the current leader and the mentor. The Grand Master is Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the leader of the civil rights movement. I think we all would agree on that. But then let's look at the second category. The second category is Chief Justice's of the United States Supreme Court. So let's go through the same questions, who is the current leader. The current leader is Chief Justice John Roberts. But get into your point, let's look at who, was his mentor. His mentor was Chief Justice William Rincquist. He was a Chief Justice and when he came out of Harvard Law School, John Roberts was his clerk. So you have John Roberts, a young Harvard Law student, clerked for a Chief Justice and years later he himself became the Chief Justice. William Winsquist was his mentor. But the key question to get to your point, who is the Grand Master of the Chief Justice? The Grand Master and the teacher of the students, John Roberts and William Winsquist is Chief Justice Roger Taney. Now why is that important? Chief Justice Roger Taney is the Chief Justice who wrote the Dread Scott decision. So what we're looking at today are Brother Brandon and Brother and sisters all around the nation. His Chief Justice John Roberts is basically a disciple of Chief Justice Roger Taney. So that connects the dot as to why we are experiencing what we are experiencing today. And one key point is this. You can do the research from Chief Justice John Roberts appointment in 2008 to 2026 today. Chief Justice John Roberts has done more to roll back the clock on Black people in the last hundred years, more than any Chief Justice in the last hundred years. He's rolled back affirmative action. He's rolled back DEI. He's rolled back voting rights. And to get to my question for you, Brandon, the next shoe to drop could be both right citizenship and Chief Justice John Roberts will be deciding that case in July. So my main question for you, look at the history of Chief Justice John Roberts. Should we as a Black community get ready for a possible surprise with this birthright citizenship case? And how do you think that case could affect Black people throughout the nation? Yeah, great, Brandon. I'll say this. And I mean this in a couple of different ways, but if we were to go and have a constitutional convention right now, as it stands, the Republican Party would have a plank, a delegation for a plank to return slavery to the United States. And it wouldn't look like, you know, 19th century slavery. They would call it something like economic indensurehood or something like that, you know, work off your debt or something. And they would begin to immediately begin to find Black people for everything that they could. I do not see how they champion dehumanization as much as they have and come out from under it. What I will tell you this is don't trust. There's no need to trust them. You know, they're not going to have at the end of this session, they're not going to have one Black voice in the Republican Party and they're in the representatives and the House representatives, not one. And they're fine with that. The use of the tokenism that they are, you know, that they used to exercise is over. They don't need it anymore because the Supreme Court has given it, you know, that's not mind you. These things that are happening in the States that they're happening in Karl, it's not we're not just looking at just race. I mean, there's an economic factor too. They're on part to lose a lot of seats. She's on the course of you losing a lot of seats based on the ridiculousness of Trump's economic, I don't even call it policy, but handling. However, in which, which is going to make, you know, rare allies when people get behind and go into their voting booth. But at the same time, you know, what is it that we, what is it that we actually are looking for? My brother brought up some good points about who are the civil rights leaders in blah, blah, blah. Can you name the young ones? There's a two justines from Tennessee who are just who are about to get written out. There are, there are two other, you know, there are other people. But the the the context in which the civil rights has always placed is that there was one movement and there were several, there were several movements going on. In with fat, there was also a youth movement, Carlos, a youth explosion. People that were young at that time. That include young Stoke and Clark Michael and brother Stoke and Clark and Clark and Clark and me, but you know, when you say young Stoke, that's, you know, exactly who I'm talking about. And Jesse himself and they were there was a youth movement around the world. And what that led to, this is a hypothesis of mine. What that led to was something that was rare. You see, I think we would have had a stronger Jim Crow era longer and a weaker civil rights backing if there wasn't an alternative around the world. And the alternative around the world, I am a liberal democratic socialist. I'm a liberal black liberal, which means I say this all time for gun reform, but I think I'll tell no black people to do up their guns until maggot gives up theirs. However, back in a day, there was an alternative for some of these new emerging countries out of World War II. And that was the Soviet Union. And they, they had what they had and they showed the world who they wanted to be and they showed the world what they were up against. And you know, you couldn't, you couldn't have had a dollar like this man being president of the United States if they were still in play. But they were the quote unquote bookie man, but they were quite serious about who they were backing and what they were doing. And all these African nations that tried to come out, the CIA worked against them. You know, you, you can go from LeBumba all the way down and, you know, see what's going there was socialism was boiling throughout the world. Now people talk about Gandhi, but they don't talk about the fact that India went socialist. There was an alternative to what was happening to the imperialism of the United States and America was trying to get into that kept them in check. And what doesn't exist right now? Nothing to check them. You know, China is, it's a remarkable place. Dynasties of thousands of years and they have a hell of a history. But, you know, do I believe that we would be, that brothers and sisters would be better off there? I know we need to make sure we have inroads everywhere. I know we didn't make sure that we have connections everywhere, but we need to try to find a place. We need to find where our allies are next to us beyond the oceans and even in the muddles. Because I don't see how this is remedied unless we ensure that the youth vote can come in and do some drastic stuff, which actually has been proposed in that Virginia situation. But you actually better call. They're actually, the Democrats out there finally kind of getting off, brother just taking off their hands and they're like, okay, we're going to fight a little fire with fire. Some people have said, okay, what they need to do is just go ahead and apply lower the age of, to be on the Supreme Court of the Virginia Supreme Court, lower the age that you can be on there to be 54, that would max out all of the justices that are there now, excuse them from their seats and elect some new ones in there so they can still maintain control. It sounds crazy. It sounds like a fascistic move. But what I think is it's a chest move against somebody else's chest move. Right. Hold on. Right there, Brandon. We got step aside for a few moments and check the traffic weather and the news in our different cities. It's 24 minutes away from the top. They have family, I guess there's a political block of Brandon when we come back, Brandon has a couple of issues, the Democrats complicit in this because they don't seem to be offering any alternative to what the Republicans are doing and they're sitting on their hands. I want you to talk about that. Also, Bob and Buffalo want to join the conversation. You two can do the same. Just reach out to us at 800-450-78-76 and we'll take your phone calls after we check the news, traffic and weather in different cities. This next. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you for your time, Brandon. We're going to show you a minute. Today is your birthday. It's going to be 93 years young. Today was born in 1933 in the Bronx in New York and can't be any immigrants. Now is one of the featured speakers throughout the black community. Later this morning we're going to hear from the country, the college professor, Professor of Maine, New and Penn and Lillian here from futuristic research. Brandon talked about this morning and will teach him. Also, he's going to get his reaction to the seven states of eliminating several black districts. Also, and a realistic doctor, he will be here. And Grille, Bob a Lemumba, also be here as well. So if you are in Baltimore make sure that radio's locked in tight on 10, 10, WOLB or three on the DMV, the Washington metropolitan area, around 14, 15, WOL. Brandon, I left before we are for the news, my question to you was the fact, we're not seeing much resistance from the Democratic Party, are they complicit? When I hear in a lot from from white Democrats about the Jerry Mannon that took place, I'm fact that this island is sort of deafening, black Democrats and blacks in this area. slave slaves as you call them, the former Confederate states. They have in all these kind of different kind of rallies and demonstrations, I think they are centered on June 10th. I know there's going to be one of the Edmund Pettis Bridge in this, and also going to be one in Jackson, Mississippi, and several other southern states. But we're not getting what white folks are saying. Are they complicit the white Democrats that I'm talking about, your response? I wouldn't say complicit. I think that, like I said, this idea of playing with the vote it just became too pervasive. Look, one of the problems that Democrats have always had is they've always had this kind of outreach to try to get their uncles and cousins and their races kinfled to just see the reasonableness of a democratic line of thinking. But that's not why they're voting. JBL said it. You know, you can get the lowest white man, think he's better than the highest black man. You can pick his pocket. If you give him somebody to look down upon him empty his pocket for you. And that has been the entire strategy of the Republican. It's specifically since President Obama won his elections twice. It scared the hell out of him. And they've been using that like a bludgeon. And it has been very effective. I mean, this country, the white people overwhelmingly voted Trump back in office. There's nothing else you can say. The only thing out there that was talking about civilizement is change. The complexion has changed. There are a lot of white folks, younger white folks who are down, down for the change, just speaking on it. But it's been shifted, unfortunately, from the actual political leaders. And it can't be the news media. It can't be the reporters doing so. It's gone to these influencers. And that's kind of a scary thing because some of these people they're just trying to live their lives doing a good job on trying to get the information out there. I personally feel that if there are millionaires that want to donate on the left, on the side of the left, they need to set up a fund so these people can do the and put the information out that they can and eat, you know, can pay a little rent and something. And they try to do that one place. And the far the left one after them. And I know people sound like this is a fractured thing. If you think what I'm saying sounds fractured. You should remember seeing the first week that this ruling came down. Because, you know, everybody got it, Carl. People were calling back killer Mike. And the thing to be said, they were calling back many brothers and all the way up to snoop and all these other people who were playing with the vote and telling people, you know, what they didn't have to vote. Omar Johnson talking about his vote was too expensive to give, just to give to the two valuables, excuse me, just to give away to the Democrats. When the whole purpose that most of us were making the argument was the game wasn't, excuse me, to use the metaphor. The game wasn't about this policy of that plot. It was about the spring court. And it always was. Did they not know that though Brandon or were they or were they just trying to for grandstand? How do you see the people that you just talked about mentioned? They sure they knew because those of us that could were yelling it. Elie Miss style, who was a remarkable lawyer, who was representing, actually he represents like one of the voices of the civil rights, the new civil rights. He's screaming. When she lost the election, she said he's prognosticated, this is going to happen. Now mind you, the remap making they're making are in areas that have already been pushed into corners. They're not going into Chicago doing this. They're not doing this in, you know, in Detroit. They're not going up into the Bronx and doing this. But if those, if we don't have a way for those voices to be heard down south, what's going to happen is we're going to be looking at a split government beyond what it's going to be the voice of all of the people who are under certain line and certain margin. And you know, we're talking about AI and I know you're bringing something but we, the voice, I'll give you an example of what happens, right? So we're talking about where AI is now. There are people who tried to warn us about AI, about what was going to happen, about how things were breaking down. One of them was this brilliant woman named Timnett Gaybrew. I think I'm saying her last name correctly. And you know, she was born in Ethiopia and she, her and her family had to deal with that, that civil war. They went on the civil war. They went on there and she came here the United States of brilliant computer scientists. She was at Google when Google was developing its AI to do some of the things. And she was kind of the ethics officer over the whole situation and was like, some of these things that you guys are doing are going to be putting certain people at risk. And so she, she entered this paper and because she did that, there was a whole bunch of stuff that went back and forth. She ended up being fired. Let go. And this is a black woman. This is a black voice early on the AI and they, they consider either an obstacle or a hurdle or whatever you want to call it. And you know, they didn't, they didn't have to jump. They just moved her side and kept, kept on with it. And here we are now, you know, with AI, you know, hallucinating to somebody or at least giving somebody the information on how to, you know, off people on campus. And she was particularly concerned with the complex and the black folks and not talking about necessarily just our color skills in color, but the makeup of how AI seems. Brilliant woman. And, and, you know, in a chance, with the first chance they had, you know, they used an electronic Jim Crow and catapulted her off of the off of the project. Right. Hold on. I thought they're not away from the talk. Bob in Buffalo wants to speak. Maybe Brandon is online too. Grand Rising. Bobby. I'm a branded. You're blessed. Love family. You know, if you're playing a game and you're playing with someone who has a mark or a stack deck, how can you expect to win? My question is when you have a Supreme Court, so called Supreme Court and they get it wrong. Should they still be considered a Supreme Court? And should they be the last arbiter is of what is fair? And are we living through a, I call it a coup d'etat, but at least you call it a stolen election where they disenfranchise and got people off off the voting rolls, then gave them misinformation. And the person who so-called one was facing a whole lot of charges, which all of a sudden disappeared once he got elected. Are we living through a coup d'etat or stolen election and suffering from the results of that stolen election? Is anyone calling and checking to see if we ever had a free and fair election? And the last point should there be automatic voter registration as soon as you turn 18 instead of having to go through hoops and prove this and prove that? So that's my question. Are we living through a stolen election and the results suffering from the results of it? I don't know, I can't speak to a definitively right. I have my biases. I think that in some cases, Carl, and there was a science explainer that I was watching for years as British Cat. He did one episode on YouTube. We actually spoke about reg elections and why they should not be electronic. Why they should still be filling. Out here where I vote, we actually use an inkblot method where you put them in a you put them about it in this K in this slot and it lines up with all the pages of voting and you turn the page and you use this inkblot. And then it's complicated. You put it in this machine and it reads it. And then you get a receipt from the top of the ballot. I think that that's probably the best way. The reason why I'm saying that is because what this person is talking about for it to be a reg election, there's a certain type of attack on information and it happens on your computer's people hack in to your accounts. Your computer's called a man in the middle attack. And quite often what they do is they jump into the middle between where information is coming from or information is going and they either flood it with nonsense information to kind of shut down the system or they put some malicious code in there to extract information. And anytime you have a place where information is created and information is delivered, a man in a middle attack. Can't is possible. So to answer this question, I can't definitively say that things stolen. I find it utterly ridiculous that this person is president and the answer to that is yes, we are suffering the effects of this person being president. Gotcha. 800, 4, 5, 0, 7, 8, 7, 6, hold that thought right there, Brandon. We've got a step aside. I got caught up with the ladies' traffic weather in our different cities. When we come back, though, we'll talk some more about the election and if they use the AI, the election, the past election, if so, how can we be confident of the next election? Regardless how we vote, we'll come out the way the vote actually was taken and that what they want. Family, you want to jump in on this? Reach out to us at 800 4 5 0 7 8 7 6, we'll take your phone calls after we check the traffic that's next. And grand rise in family thanks for starting your week with us on this 11th day of May 2026. I guess this political vlog of Brandon. I got a question should Brandon hit us up at 800 4 5 0 7 8 7 6 Brandon got a tweet for you. tweet us as please ask a brand and should the Democratic Party be very concerned about this voting ruling because it may if many blacks stop voting due to lack of representation then many other democratic issues will receive much less votes as a result. I don't know you need to ask a pollster that someone who or someone who is a political science and the reason why I say that is because this is also going to have regional effects. You know we always think of the the large system one of the one of the problems I have with the Bernie bros is after their complaints and after them screaming and after their loud voices which should have been heard. They didn't build anything. If I had 10 years to build on a party and to build out and you know I'm saying to to get a presence and building means you have to work with people and it's not just sitting on the sideline and screaming. I'm not saying they that's all they did but it's what they built up to and then you know it just kind of went went by the wayside so the same thing you have to understand that these are regional as well. What's going to happen at the like Brother Clive Warren said what's going to happen at the mayoral level? What's going to happen at the school board level? I think this is also a time car that we need to really pay attention and support the younger brothers and sisters. This is now a crisis in motion in their demographic. Although you know we're we're along in there. I'm Genex and millennials and and and and Zeds and Genealphas. This is their moment to rise and try to make it. No mind you just because they're re-drawing these lines doesn't mean that the white folks in some of these areas are going to just sit up and and protect them either because there there's a lot of loss like you say. I think there's thousands of farms that have gone under because of these policies. I think there's a lot of people that hurt by this this ridiculousness that he had city set about tariffs and just hurting the economy and individuals and closing down clinics and all these things that have happened I've happened because we're living in a cacastocracy and some of the worst of worst of the worst people that you can find. We got people soldiers who are losing their lives to somebody who's cosplaying as a military leader. Now the Secretary of Defense who called himself Secretary of War. We're having you know some of some of the worst people who are completely like what I said before led by a person who is supremely unqualified next to vice president Harris. And so now we we really have to kind of support one another and the youthful part of this has to get emotions going to be kind of fuzzy for a minute. But you know if we don't and they get new Supreme Court justices and I don't know the Democrats might have to do something a little bit more radical and it's going to take like I said radical thinking from younger folks into expand the court. Let me jump in here because Brandon because we've got Professor Pinn on take but I got to ask you this question you know Mandani you mentioned Mandani's resurgence or a surgeons in New York City. We've seen a similar play out in your city LA where Karen Bass is running as there's another Democratic Socialist running and she's looking good as I'm also covered entertainers running. Do you think that's the what the the Democratic party they got AOC they're talking this similar kind of a political conversation. Do you think this is where the Democratic party needs to shift where these younger voters reside? I guess you know there's there's some movement in this what they call themselves leftist now or you've seen some really radical when I say radical I'm not talking about in terms of just you know jutting situations. I'm talking about you know thinking in terms of you know in in in in in obstacles or laying down obstacles to what the party is supposed to do which is initiate policies they can help the people of their electorate or the people who put them in position. And some of this stuff is just kind of like AOC AOC is being attacked by some of these far leftists because in in in in trying to like replace her in this role that she has with like Marjorie Taylor Greene who actually gave a couple speeches where she actually shows that she can be have a reasonable tone voice you know and it's but it's only because she is only because she was kicked inside by a tromping because she wasn't supported and just that and yeah that's all that's going on there. It's not but she's had a she's had a she's already known that the stuff that she's been saying and doing and promoting was awful. She's just you know now she's just trying to play like okay well here's the real deal and blah blah blah and I'm sorry and I said no you you let her dedicate you know 10 years 10 years to trying to mend the fences before anybody sit up there and give the rings or cookies or whatever. I don't know though right there Brandon because I got a tweet for you and I apologize because this guy tweeted earlier says grand rising Romney admitted to stealing votes. The tweet is on say I believe the only way Trump won is by stealing and he goes on say we witness how he tried by calling down in Atlanta for votes for votes evidence has shown that he's a liar and a thief so votes can be stolen. Kamala suggested we go back to paper ballots what do you think I think that's I said I was watching this cat some years ago and he came up with this and he showed the whole history of how cheating on papers really I mean cheating excuse me electronically it's really a bad thing you can have a man in a middle attack and it can destroy kind of the entire liquid and replace it with something else especially now that we have some of these voter machines I think they're almost all owned by hard right affiliated affiliates of of this administration. I don't I you know I don't think that it's going to be an easy road I think like I said we got soft at the beginning and we we were playing with these votes and those of us who screamed our heads off till we were forcing what the important part was you know we just we were drowned out by celebrity and and you know ideology and almost like picking at a scab and we're sitting here trying to say this no it's bigger than that and now here we are now the one thing Carl we went through kind of like I said it last couple weeks at least on the black side we we went through kind of this this whole thing of pointing fingers and you know exorcising some of the anger that we had and and dissipating it now we have to find a way to rebuild and I think that's one of the most important that's why we we got into a conversation about computers and AI and you know this how it's moving forward we need to make sure we understand how it affects us how to use it and how we can at least in the situation have it monitored in our favor because the only other way like I said I don't I look upon a party that you know this guy has a golden calf in front of Marlago that they're you know basically going down to something down to pay homage to and you know you're looking at basically a a a fascist cult that's running this nation that has its hand on nuclear weapons and that should that should lay everybody out with because we're not just talking about school busing and you know trying to have arguments about you know how much more oil we should let be drilled out of out of Alaska this is this is an existential moment for many of us yes it is thank you Brandon thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning hey how can folks reach your I was asking me how to get it touch with Brandon because they like the conversation you should bring to the program right as you were trying to work on our new streaming we're going to try to see if we can move over to twitch and youtube and do these things but until then you can reach me through Carl Nelson and he will pass along any and all information that you may have for me how's that how's that for adding new work to your table yeah that's right thanks Brandon all right thanks as Brandon is a political blogger out of Southern California 10 minutes after top they let's go to Northern California though professor manu and waiting for us to use the contract to college professor manu and pin ground rising welcome to the program the black rising and shining brother Carl we'll try to be back yes uh african day 2026 when is african day why what's the significance of this what you call african day or what we call african day well it's it's coming up in two weeks it'll be on May 25th and african day actually goes back quite a way it actually goes back to 1958 and at that time it was called african freedom day so this was you know a little bit after world war two and so african countries were benefiting from the fact that that the colonial powers were at odds and fighting and they used that as every group does to free themselves so this african freedom day came out of the end of the the conference of independent african states so it was eight states that had become independent of colonial rule and they met in Ghana and it was eight countries that were looking at how do they organize among themselves to help free the rest of the continent so african freedom day eventually became african liberation day in 1963 and that's when the organization of african unity was formed in Ethiopia and when it was organized on that in that year 1963 then the eight countries had grew to 30. to independent African countries and they established May 25 as African Liberation Day and so it's grown from there now as of 2002. It's called Africa Day and the organization of African Unity became the African Union and so the African Union acknowledges Africa Day every year and so May 25 is the day that is acknowledged and celebrated around the African world. Right, that's going to be Memorial Day for us so it's going to be interesting day here as well. But as today right now though they're having what they call Africa Forward Summit today and tomorrow in Kenya. It convenes the heads of states of African governments from the entire continent also high-level business leaders and youth groups of meetings. They're going to try to figure out a way how to strengthen Africa and France's cooperation. We see France is now returning to Africa after it got kicked out of the Sahel states. Can you give us a little bit of background about the Sahel states first before we get more into Africa Freedom Day? Yeah, you know the the the African Union replaced the organization of of African unity and so the OAU was born in 2002 but but at time the the countries have become independent so rather than focusing on kicking out colonial rule the OAU was focused on trying to bring Africa together economically and so forth but the O.The African Union is not very effective. I mean the way to look at the African Union is the same way we can look at the United Nations, the UN which is not capable of stopping any of the genocides of wars that are happening around the world or in Africa. So the African Union is it's a great idea. It's a great form to bring the 55 countries in Africa together but they're not able to effectively solve the problems that the continent is dealing with these days is as you know you have war that's rampant then you have West African groups that have come together but the the lines of of Sahel states with Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger they broke away from the West African Alliance in September of 2023 to form a political confederation to deal with the real independence of Africa from France because much of West Africa was called French West Africa because the French among the other colonial countries had a large section of Africa under his direct control so the these states in West Africa Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger now for the last two and a half years they've been looking to chart an independent path that they control their own politics their own economic reality and their own resources. So what the French and the West has done to attack these states is to make sure that they're not moving forward in an independent manner so this is why you have an invasion of Mali. This is why you have the the the states in this alliance working to try to defend themselves against the old colonial rule so in Mali we have one of the most important states in all of West Africa and it's not just because of the the modern resources which are very important but also the great history in Mali as well when we think about and know about and learn about the great university city of Timbuktu this is in Mali and it's along the the the great river system of the Niger river that they're able to use and this was always been a great thoroughfare where they camel met the the canoe in a great trading location so the French want to make sure that Mali for Keniface on Niger that they are not independent and that they will continue to control the resources in that region but this is a authentic African alliance that is a great model for how other areas of the continent can break away from this general colonial influence and become independent and controlling this own this own affairs and that's really important and we've seen this before we've seen this in with the liberation movements in the 50s and 1960s that when African strike out for independence there's always a response by the the the the West and their response is always militarily and brutally but Africans know that history is so they have somewhat of a historical view of what to expect and how to move forward. I got 16 out of the top of the upcoming break real soon but I'd ask you this question how much of what happened back then in the 60s was reflected by what was taking place here in our country in the civil rights movement how much of what the struggle that they saw what black folks were doing how much was that you know how did that help or influence the African leaders to strike out for their independence. There was no separation and a fact Dr. King he consistently indicated that there was no difference between our struggle in the U.S. and the colonial struggle in Africa he said we have to keep our struggles close because our brothers and sisters struggle in Africa he says the same and that both groups those of us in America are fighting for independence against the racist Jim Crow system of racial segregation and violence and the African liberation movement Dr. King said that we both suffered from quote unquote white supremacy and the contempt for life he said it was no difference other than the fact that the African brothers and sisters were fighting to kick out the oppressor he said but here in the U.S. there was nowhere for further oppressor to go but that was the only difference but there was nowhere to kick them out too in the U.S. but the struggle was the same in essence and that was become free and independent. So hold that thought right there let you expand on that when we get back we're gonna take a quick break 17 after the top of their family just checking in I guess this professor main new amp in from country cost of college in northern California you want to join our conversation reach out to us at 800 450 78 76 and we'll take your phone calls next and grand rise in family thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning with our guest professor main new amp in from country cost of college in northern California talking about Africa day 2026 going to be celebrated the same day as memorial day afghan day is going to be celebrated globally and the question I posted him was during the 60s the African nations rose up and got their independence how much of it was was caused or inspired by this civil rights movement here and the question is because now they're turning by the clocks on us we're taking this back to the pre-65 this is so this is something that I know our African brothers sisters are watching so uh professor amp in I'm gonna finish you finish your your response yeah it's uh the the the struggle was linked that there were many revolutionaries in the U.S. that that had relationships with the leaders in Africa and one thing that's important is that the leaders in Africa also were here like Kwame Ture of Ghana a secretary of guinea they actually studied here at uh in the U.S. at historically black colleges so they were able to forge a relationship even before they became state leaders in the late 50s and so the links were always there and they were and so this is why it's important for people to understand when they hauled the black struggle in the U.S. the civil rights movement this is a distortion in the sense that after 1965 when the voting rights bill was passed in august of 65 there was a dramatic shift so civil rights was no longer dominant because the civil rights laws were already on the books with the voting rights bill in 65 and the civil rights bill in 1964 a year earlier so dr. King and his organization the southern Christian leadership conference they said that basically congress signed the civil rights movement out of existence what they meant by that is that the laws were not were now on the books that the germkruel era of vicious racial segregation and violence against black people this was coming to an end and the last law to destroy the the the two tier law system was the fair housing act in 1968 but by 1965 the movement became dominant focused on human rights and not simply civil rights human rights or rights that we all have just because we're born and so no one gives you human rights they may try to take them away but you don't try to no one gives you human rights but that's totally different the right to life to right to food and to the right to be that's completely higher and different than simply civil rights where you have rights within a particular society so when you talk so when we're talking about voting rights and and political parties in the US those are rights that citizens have within a particular country when you're a citizen and you can vote you can hold office things like that that's rights that are granted by a government that's totally different than the right of being a human being which we have from birth so that movement the human rights movement had already been there because after World War II, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was issued in the 30 articles of this Universal Declaration that was issued in 1948 and just three years after World War II ended. So human rights had already been there, but it became dominant at the end of 1965. And this is why we have the birth and the explosion of the Black Power Movement in 1966. So this is why it's important to know that it's a Black liberation struggle in the 1950s and 60s. And what was dominant was a civil rights phase and focus up until 1965. After 1965, anybody, any person, any organization focused just on civil rights became less and less relevant. Because Africans, the progressive activists in SNCC and CORE and these organizations, the Black Power Movement, they were embracing Black Power and human rights. And this is why and Dr. King was a part of that movement as well. And they began to focus specifically to internationalize the struggle. Malcolm had talked about it, but now you had a whole movement of activists who continued to elevate their efforts and their struggle and their focus. And then we see that there's no separation between the Black liberation struggle here in the US in '65 and '66 in 1967 and '68, '69 from those revolutionaries on the African continent. And so Dr. King was very articulate in making sure that folks understood that. One thing that the listeners should also be aware of is that the biggest focus of Dr. Martin Luther King was the African liberation struggle. If you go to the archives like I have and study his work, his correspondence and his efforts, he never separated his work from the Black liberation struggle. Even though they were using armed struggle to become independent, but that was his biggest focus outside of the US. And this has been systematically suppressed by barographers and journalists and civil rights activists who were afraid. These civil rights activists, these are the ones that actually attacked Dr. King literally and publicly and consistently when he began to talk about the struggle to free Africa and to support the people in Vietnam, it was the Black civil rights leaders who wanted to keep it a domestic focus. And they could have sized King when he came out in 1965. So this is important to know that this was a dominant focus of Black folks in the US from one group to another who became more and more central to the Black struggle for freedom and liberation in the US and nobody separated the Black liberation struggle and the human rights and Black power era from the struggling Africa, not one person. Wow, 27 and a half the top. Now that's what Professor Manu and Penn is an African history professor and also a primary researcher at Contracostocos. Having said all of that though, Professor Ampain, do we, do you think there's going to be a resurgence of the Black power movement now that we started back then when we didn't have these rights now they've rolled back these rights on us as we see what happened to these former Confederate states what they've done with the voting rights. Do you think we'll have to, we'll need another King and Malcolm and how do you see that just looking into your crystal ball? Yeah, I appreciate it. You know, I learned from the great Chancellor Williams who wrote the destruction of Black civilization that you can have somewhat of a crystal ball if you know the past very well. And well, you know, back in 1980, the National Black Independent Political Party, Imbib had had had formed and they were promoting the, they were promoting independent Black politics. And this was, you know, from that era of a Black political focus and liberation. And so that was the best direction, but there were agents that helped to to destroy Imbib from within. There were people from the Social Workers Party across the country, these are white activists who had Black simps to go in and and raise ruckus to make sure that this independent direction didn't really materialize on a national and really powerful level. And I was, I saw that. I was a part of this in Baltimore when I was at meetings, I see that some some crazy Black person along with his white benefactors were in the meeting to destroy any independent movement. So this is always the problem is having to make sure that we can defend the ranks from within because there, there's no, there's no solution through these parties at all. People were fooled by Barack Obama, not once, but twice, but that they had read what he wrote. Obama was, he's always been a politician. The man when he was in Chicago as an elected official in Chicago, he made it very clear that he did not believe and did not support any program that was specifically helped Black or Latino communities. He said that. He's always been against that in reparations. And so and not only that, but Obama before becoming a national figure, the man had voted more than 120 times on legislation. He voted present. He didn't say, yeah, he didn't say, he didn't want to alienate his, his, his base. Well, why? Because he's not standing on anything. And, and folks were so gunned whole and they voted not once, but twice, but where's the progress? Why folks use that to say that this is the end of, of racism now. Look, we got a Black president and use it against us. This is the end of the, you know, a racial issues in America. So the way moving forward as we look at some African countries that have tried to forge an independent direction and even what we've tried to do here, it's got to be independent of parties. This is why you never saw Malcolm X or Dr. King endorse an any party. And you saw, you never, no one ever heard Dr. King endorse in some, some party or even a candidate. He was skeptical of both parties. This is nothing more than the game in Black folks are doped to think that a lot of these folks who are, who are not standing on principle, they're, their, their personality coach. Look at AOC and the rest of them. This is sure hypocrisy, where they can make statements, make pronouncements and even if they don't directly take money from AOC or the Israel lobby, look at how they're voting. They still vote to kill innocent people in Gaza. And people are not looking at the voting record, they're looking at the rhetoric that comes across the microphone. You look at Omar and the rest of them. I mean, the level of hypocrisy is amazing, but this is not surprising or shocking because we had some of the great leaders, such as Malcolm X and others during that era, who gave us an a, a window into their corruption. So unless there's a way for people to break away and stop listening at the independent, I mean, the, the, the, the parties that people are dependent on, there's no way to really move forward, but it seems very clear on the other hand, any independent group that is moved forward and have sought to become independent, whether it's here or on the African continent, this has always been the best way for it, rather than dependent on old structures to keep Black folks in check. And I can't imagine how people could could have all this information now in the information age and not quickly look up that the Democratic Party is the party of slavery. Just every slaveholder, they were a damn Democrat. And so there was, and not only that, this is the party of segregation and you name it, and of Jim Crow. And it wasn't until more recent decades that there was any real meaningful difference between the Democratic and Republican Party, but it root. As Dr. King would say, still white supremacy in the contempt for life, but people are locked in through these political parties and not looking at an independent direction. So for me, as a historian, I see that any African country that has tried to move an independent direction, this is the only way that there's any progress made. Otherwise, it's the same old, same old, and then you have corrupt leaders in certain organizations or countries that are bought off, they're bought and paid for, and the people are the ones that suffer. So as a historian, we don't, I don't see any specific example where people have latched on the mainstream institutions and have done, and has fared well as as a country in general. This is why we respect the independent leaders that come from the different countries in Africa as an example that even if you don't have the support of the U.S. or Britain or France, there's still a way to move forward and control the resources. So Bikina Faso and Captain Terrory is the great example. And Captain Terrory in British-- Akina Faso, he has the example of Thomas Sancar. Thomas Sancar are also in Akina Faso, moving in the independent direction. Yes, I know, he was assassinated in 1987, but that is what Torrey is being inspired by. He's not doing this from just imagination. He's doing it because he has an historical example. And he has the courage and the character to move Akina Faso in the independent direction, to control his own resources, the politics, the minerals, and the military. And unless people are thinking in that way, to become independent, we'll be talking about the same problems in the same way, in the same quagmire, another generation or two from now, we cannot afford that. All right, now I thought that 25 away from the top. I mean, just a couple of things that you said that just stood out. What you said is true, and it is about both parties. Where do that leave us? Where does it leave the African in America? Where does that leave? What do we do? That's my question. Since both choices don't look the favor for us, and we know how they treated us, what's our move? The move is to be independent. To people need to stop our registered and to be independent and make independent moves. In other words, what candidate is, to me, is more focused on a particular candidate in a particular location, whether it's local or national, or even at the presidential level, but what candidate would be less damaging to black people and not focusing on a particular party, but it's more important to be issue-based and go from there. And then when people recognize that they can have an influence, then it's more practical to form an independent political block. But people have to first start thinking independently and not just side with a party. Shit, there are some policies that even criminal Republicans that is far more reasonable than a democratic position on certain issues and bills, but just to vote a ticket. That's crazy from my point of view. So it's just more important to think independently and look at independent issues and independent areas and make an independent assessment from there. And then if someone did that, that there will be your vote for different people, different issues on either side of the aisle, just depends on how it's going to benefit us the most. Gotcha. Family just checking in, I guess, is Professor at May and New Haven. Penn is this story and is also a primary researcher. He teaches at Contra Costa College in Northern California. It's not of the conversation discussing Africa Day with 2020, '26 is going to be a memorial day. This is where Africans globally are going to celebrate Africa Day. And it changes on the continent, especially with the Sahel nations. And when we talk about France, of course, the Sahel nations are re-buffing France and our France is sucking up to Kenya. There's also the things moving on the continent. We talked about the movement for their independence was started because of the civil rights movement here in this country. And this was triggered by what we were going through in the South. And now that's all come full circle now and we see what the Supreme Court did last week. What are your thoughts, family? You want to jump in on this discussion? And we'll take your phone calls after we take the short break. It's nice. Thanks for starting your week with us. 18 minutes away from the top there with our guest Professor Mey New Ampene from Contra Costa, College out in Northern California. He's an Africana history professor. He's also a primary researcher as well. Before we go back to him, though, I was wondering, mind you coming over later this week, you're going to hear from future researcher Brother Sidiqa Bakari and investigative reporter Greg Palis will be here. Elistic doctor, Dr. Heru, also Grille Babalamumba. And also the Pearl Walker, which is a city councilman from Memphis is going to join us as well. So if you are in Baltimore, keep that radio locked in tight on 10-10, WOLB. If you're in the DMV, the Washington metropolitan area, we're on 1450-WOL. And the reason why we have this discussion about Africa Day, because Africa Day is Professor Ampene told us who established as the first conference of independent African states. This has helped to support African freedom movements. And this is back in the '60s or '50s. And all this was started because what was happening in this country without civil rights movement. They got the idea from there. They too could be throw away the yolk of colonialism. And this is where it all started. And becoming full circle, as you know, who saw recently what the Supreme Court ruled with Jeremy Mandering and eliminating some of the voting seats that our people represented. So this is why we're here this morning having this conversation. 800-450-78, 76 of cups and folks want to talk to Professor Ampene. We'll start with Charles. He's online one. Grand Rising, Charles, a question for Professor Ampene. Yes. How you doing, Professor? Good morning. All right. I've got to ask, you know, because we really haven't gotten what I'm asking for, you know, ever. What is the history, you know, the beginning, you know, how was it started? You know, what is the history of Nigeria and Madagascar? Because, you know, what's going on in Nigeria and Madagascar? You know, we don't know what happened, you know, during the times of Kimit. You know, we hear about Kimit. But we don't hear about the rest of the nations in Africa. And we really need to know how each nation in Africa was started, the history of those nations. And where they came in to Kimit or didn't come in to Kimit because it's my understanding that Africa wasn't explored until the 1900s. So we always talk about Kimit, Ethiopia, and the Middle East. But what about Southern Africa? We never get that story. Bye. All right, Skim. Thank you, Charles. Professor. You're right. Thank you for that. Well, you know, I wrote a book called The History of African Civilizations. So I would recommend taking a look at my book where I address just that, you know, African Civilization is going back to antiquity. But if we look at West Africa in Nigeria, it's a very important area. It's the no-- we can go back to the no culture in OK. And the no culture goes back at least-- this is more than 3,000 years with the no culture of highly developed. And we would start there in terms of a high level civilization in the region. And because you have Africans who were building, who had an independent, successful, organized culture. And these were builders using iron smelting, for example, for tools, weapons. And iron smelting is not an easy task. You have to be able to heat the iron up. It has to be hot enough to be able to smell and mold the tools that are being made. But then you have the no sculpt-- sculpture that's still there. So it's always very important. I'm glad you raised a question because when we look at Africa, the vast majority of times, people only look at modern Africa and modern problems. But we have to look at the history and the contributions of foundation before Africa was derailed. So Nigeria is a very, very important area to say at least with the no culture. And you also mentioned-- and this is before Ghana, Mali, and Shanghai before the more recent age in West Africa and the Golden Age in West Africa. Before that, you have the no culture. But there's other groups as well in that region that we should look at. There still remains. There's monuments. There's structures that Harley-Evera talked about. And we look at Southern Africa. One of the great civilizations is Great Zimbabwe. Great Zimbab-- so outside of the Nile Valley in East Africa, so outside of that area where there is Kursh, Nubia, Kement, and then there's Axum as well in modern-day Ethiopia. Outside of that region, the greatest concentration of monuments anywhere on the continent is in the southern area that's now called Great Zimbabwe. And Great Zimbabwe goes back to when they were building at a very high level to at least 1,100 of the common era. And so this is close to a millennial, close to 1,000 years ago. And what's amazing about Great Zimbabwe is that these were master builders who built great monuments, of course, they had iron smelting in an extensive trading network that not only went east to the East African coast, but also the Great Trading Network that Great Zimbabwe was part of, went as far east as not just India, but as far east as China. And this is very well documented. So as you look at the rest of the continent, you're right. There's great civilizations. There's a great tradition and a great past that has to be known because, like France, the French writer would say, brother France, the non that each generation has to discover is mission or betray it. And the mission is to really remember to recover from historical amnesia and look at the examples that African cultures and civilizations have presented for us. We can't try to catch up with the decadence of Europe or the decadence of Europe or America. America deserves the madman Trump. They really do, but we can't follow those kind of sick examples. And we don't have to imagine examples of how to create a high level society that we can benefit from. We have examples of an African continent. That's why it's always important to look at Greek colonial Africa. to putting context the modern Africa that we see today. - All right, 12 away from the top. Let's keep moving. It's going to New York City, raise waiting for us is online too. The grand rising rate, you're only professor manual amp in. - Yeah, go on a call. I was gonna call you last Friday, but I felt sleepy again or late. So I have to catch you this Friday after, just getting some information after that. Guess you had last Friday in New York, but call and good morning, Dr. Ampene. It's very interesting you mentioned the knock culture because just yesterday I was reading about the knock culture and they go all the way back to say, like I think, I think they were, if we just say like 3,500 BCE and one of the groups and these were bad two speaking people and out of that group came the little people, L-U-O, which happens to be the people that Barack Hussein Obama is descended from. And these people settled along the Nile. These were not a lot of people, but a man just became people. So I get an email every week from a, email from a guy named Isaac Samuel and about the sign up for his pay when they get even more information, but maybe you've heard him, maybe you have a knock, but he puts out a lot of information like you do. So I've been getting this about two years now. Now one of the things I wanted to talk about, what you brought up called you and, for example, brought up independent voting. Now what I registered to vote, oh God, man, we're back in, I'm dating myself. I'm in a third, 18, I registered to vote back in the 70s. I registered as an independent. It was maybe like, they said in real 1980s. The mail came to my house. My mother got the letter, she forged my name and changed me to a Democrat. And when it came back I said, why does this say Democrat? Oh, I thought it was your name. Okay, I didn't have the woman arrested. I didn't have a charge because that's a felony. I just dealt with it and I voted for whom I wanted to vote for. But I'm bringing that up to say, one of the things that Malcolm said and it was a speech that, at a socialist meeting, they held it 'cause I used to hear this on WBI with their black folks should not lock us ourselves into one political party. Some of us should be Democrats. Some of us should be Republican and some of us should be independent to have an independent block that they use as a swing block that we could use to negotiate with. So if we didn't get what we want from the Democrats we could have the Republican group do that. And we didn't get what we want from the Republicans and the Democrats then we would have that independent block and they would say, okay, we got more votes here. But if you really want to get in, what are you going to give us? And obviously, black people didn't, too many of us didn't hear that speech that Malcolm made. But that brings up and call you brother up last week, the black and the tan that group with the Republicans. Also, there was another group that Dr. Clark told us about here in New York, so New York City called the United Colored Democracy. That was, they had a Democratic branch in our Republican branch. And we used to get stuff that way. It was destroyed by Sierra LeGuardia. So are any of you guys familiar with that information? - Not me, how about you, Professor? - The last part, no. Not the last part, no. - Right, yeah, well, that information is probably in the Schumberg because he put a lot of his documents there. But yeah, it was hell, it was a run by a guy named Ed Lee. And I'm not sure what part of the South was thrown, but that was in the 1920s or 1920s or until the LaGuardia destroyed. He destroyed the black influence in New York City policy. It was the United Colored Democracy. We call it Colored. It was the United Colored Democracy in the Democrat and Republican branches work together to get what we needed. But all you did mention the black and the tan. And that was like a Republican, a black group within the Republican party. I think it was last week or the week before last, you mentioned that. - Okay. - And so that was an independent group within the Republican party to make sure we got what we were supposed to get up until reconstruction. And I'm not sure, I think it may be a less than afterwards or it died then. But I heard about that from black Republican in the 80s and 90s, I think. He was in the class of re-eated a black. He was a black Republican Muslim here in New York City. But I'm saying that what you're saying is that we absolutely should develop independent voters because to be locked into one or two political parties is not working for us. It never really worked on a limited basis, but it's not working. If someone knows that 80% of your vote is being held by one political party, why should they give you anything? And the other people, if you went to them, one has to total contend for us and the other just doesn't just totally ignore us. So we haven't developed our political power and then for the point that we could have, we absolutely have to do it because right now, we're not in Jim Crow 2.0. We're in Jim Crow four or five point O guys. - Right. And Ray, we come for our breaks. I want to give the professor a chance to respond what you said. And he just said some really truthful things here. So for a fan, I'll just put that out there. - Thanks Ray, Professor Alpin. I'm ready. - Yeah, just really briefly, Obama's father was from Kenya, the lieu of people or from Kenya in East Africa. And I was speaking about the knock in Nigeria, West Africa, but you're right that Obama's father comes from Kenya. Who he had no relationship with, he actually, Obama was, he grew up in Indonesia. And then he went to Hawaii to go to school. So he doesn't, Obama doesn't have any experience that's the same as African Americans. It's very different. That's why his views are different. He can come to lecture black people about what we should be doing, but that backfire when he did that. But yeah, I just wanted to make that point. It also brought a car, if we have a quick thing just before the break, is just to adjust one thing, is that the African liberation struggle in our struggle in the US was symbiotic. We both benefited. They did not simply learn from us. We learned from them. They're African countries that were independent, going back to the mid 1950s, like Morocco, Tunisia. They were independent in 1956. Sudan independent in 1956. Ghana independent in 1957. So this is because of the chaos to World War II. Around the world, there was an international freedom movement. Dr. King called it the, he said that he called it the zeitgeist, which meant it's a German term, which means the spirit of the times. So it was a revolutionary spirit, but if people can go and fight and die in wars for colonial interests, they certainly can fight for their own independence. So that's what was happening around the world. And certainly Black folks took advantage of it, as did people in Southeast Asia and Africa and Latin America. That's why you had an explosion of liberation movements around the world. But the African struggle for independent was independent, it was authentic, it was organic. But because we saw the relationship with them and they saw the relationship with us, we both benefited from these struggles on either side of the Atlantic. All right, hold that throw. Let's take the break. 800-450-7876. We've got to step aside for a few moments. Stations can identify themselves down the line per the FCC when we come back. Mark and Baltimore has a question for Professor Manuel Pym. You too can join the conversation family. Just hit us up at 800-450-7876. And we'll take your phone calls next. I guess this is a professor, Professor Manuel Pym from Contra Costa College in Northern California, discussing African Day. The African Day 2026 is going to be on Memorial Day. It's globally, Africans across the planet and to talk about the issues that are facing us as Africans. 800-450-7876. Professor Pym laid out how many of these African states got their independence and they took their cues from our fights here from our civil rights leaders. And now we're seeing that this country's rolled back those rights and those civil rights activists gained in the 60s. So the question is, what do we do now? And Professor Pym is laying out a road map for us. 800-450-7876. Mark's colonists from Baltimore is on line one. Grand rising mark, you want me to Professor Pym? Hey, grand rise call for says. I'm glad, I'm called it out to him different. When I did, because number one, why would anybody want to be a part of this Republican party that has the house, the Senate, and the presidency, and the court, and just got rid of the voting rights, got us in the civil war, or an or nor, but now from the two most important things that he said to me. And we didn't even get voting rights to the year he was killed. But the most two important things that he said to me was we shouldn't be killing each other and that we are not outnumbered, we're outorganized. I don't know. his brother's Republican or what, but who would want to be a part of this Republican party right now? And Barack Obama still relevant because not only is his library in the city Chicago, his wife Chicago born and raised and he was a community organizer before he became a senator. Thank you. All right, let's get my chance to sprawl. I'm so glad me and Senator Young will be on right after you this morning at 10 a.m. on WOLB. Thank you. Professor, you want to respond to anything that you said? Well, just the one thing is that Obama's lost all credibility. All someone has to do is simply go to social media when Kamala Harris was running. And Obama said it was unacceptable that black people were thinking independently. Looking at what they thought would be the best candidate in 2024 election. So when he came out to scold black people that we don't have a choice, we need to vote for this woman. He was condemned across the country in hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of videos by regular everyday people told him to stand down. You don't speak for us. We're independent. We do what we want. So he's lost all credibility to say the least. So that's what folks need to know. And this is independent information. Anybody can look up online. So rather than dealing with individuals. And what we think they may be offering is important to look at the objective facts to see the demands lost credibility. He was always criticized because why do you come to black people always talking about moral issues and that bothers and men need to do a better job. Poor you. And you got. Let me jump here. But if we can put Obama to the side and see what we've gotten now, do you think those people who condemn him what he said are still in agreement? We what we have now. I would say yes that he doesn't have the moral authority to tell black people that we don't have. Yeah, but that's not the issue. I'm saying if we can put him aside because this is what we have now. I understand what you're saying about Obama and I understand what Mark was saying about Obama. But let's put Obama to the side. Let's you know, if we can do that and now deal with the realities that we have in 2026 with Donald Trump. Those people who said what Obama said, he doesn't have it. He doesn't speak for us and all that. So are they happy with what they have today? That's my question. Well, the position is when I was traveling in Ohio a couple of years ago, one of the women one of sister said it accurately that America deserves Trump. That the country's always been mad and you have a madman in the White House. So sure people can can choose whatever they want, but not to be a way to some group. So yeah, of course, Trump's a madman, a murderer and an absurd person, but what American president hasn't been absurd in terms of just killing people. This guy is just more crude with it, but we can look at genocide Joe Biden and see that this man is never his entire career. He's never had any hesitation to blow up and kill people in any part of the world. And that's his legacy. So sure people are cringing now, but it's not so much different than what has been happening. Genocide Joe didn't do anything to save lives in any kind of way. So this is what people were saying is that they want and will always be able to make an independent assessment. And yeah, the madman in the White House is obviously an absurd person, but America has been criminal from the very beginning regarding black people and Native Americans. So what do we do, professor? So what's our move now? Do we have a choice? So are we just basically jammed? We always have a choice is just that people are, you know, they're focused on personalities and not really the independent assessment. We can look at independent thinkers such as Malcolm. So we should, well, what did Malcolm do? Why didn't he join a party? Why didn't he promote a party? Because he's not focused on that kind of narrow focus. Nor was King or anyone else who was really or Kwame Ture. These were independent thinkers and leaders and organizers who looked at a global picture of where is Africa, which is our original homeland and where are we today and how do we forge an independent direction? So that always has to be the position. And besides, if people read Dr. King's last book, where do we go from here, cancer community? It's a lot that could be learned, brother Carl, because King in laying out where we are, he talks about coalitions. He said that you can have unity without uniformity. He said that we can have very different positions, but there's a point of confluence. And the point of confluence is what we organize around. It doesn't mean that we agree on other other matters at all. But when people are not looking strategically and independently, they get caught up into the hookline and sinker. What some party is saying as opposed to a person that's from the community, of the community has the best interest in the community at heart and may be elected. We can look at that person, but we also have to follow the alliances that he or she has. We have to follow the money and if people are not looking deeply like that, they can get caught up and pulled in to a political apparatus that's not in the best interest of the community. So it's about being independent. And that's the great example of Captain Torre with Burkina Faso is independent. It's unpopular. Yes, but it's an independent move to make sure that he as the leader can make sure that they pulled away from ECOWASA, the West African states to form the alliance of Sahel states. That's the kind of independent direction and leadership that's needed and kick out those who don't have the best interest of the people at heart. So whether it's on the African continent or here, someone who's simply delivering the people to a party, you have to be very skeptical about that because the party, whatever political party they have interest. And the M-Bib history of independent, the National Black Independent Political Party, that should be studied. That should be studied because we can actually build on that model. And ultimately was not successful, but it's a model that could be successful. We just have to learn from it, benefit from it, and develop the kind of protection so that it doesn't get co-opted as the M-Bib movement did in the 1980s. But it was an excellent direction just that we didn't have the experience collectively to know how it would be attacked. And it was attacked from within and from without. But it doesn't mean that the independent model is not best. It just means that that particular manifestation of independence wasn't successful. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the plan now, because we can talk about the past. We can't change the past or whatever happened with Obama Biden, the Bushes or Clinton's or whatever was there. You know, what do we do now? That's the issue. That's what Black people want to know. Do you think we deserve to have or should have another Gary conference like we had in '72 and try to come up with a consensus of what our plan is? Because I'm not sure if Black people understand what do we want? Some people say we want reparations and beyond that, they're stumped. What else do you want? And it's these achievable. Your thoughts on all of that? Yeah, there needs to be a conference, absolutely. But understand that if people are focused just okay, well, since people either vote for the mad madness in the White House now or the Democratic party, Democratic party, fundamental against reparations, Obama said that before he was elected. He's in no way would he ever agree to anything like that. So people should know that upfront and knowing that he and others are fundamentally against any program. He says that he would look at the dreams of my father. Look at what he wrote. He said he's he gets any program that would specifically help the Black community. So who are you going to meet with? So yeah, there should be independent meetings. So we had Demi and Gary, you know, the places where independent meetings were independent groups. And so this is one of the most important things that we could could learn from the 60s and an independent assessment, an independent direction, independent analysis. Otherwise, we're not understanding the great leaders that emerged because none of them were dependent on some apparatus that was not organized or focused on helping Black people. So there's no easy solution, but this has to be the direction if we're going to move forward. Otherwise, it's going to be the same or same. Just change the this is why brother, this is why people effectively call them the Epstein class. It doesn't matter what party. I mean, Biden and Trump are good. They're close enough friends that they're going to protect each other. So it doesn't matter what party. And people can give their assessment on those kind of particular things. But for me, it's independence. Look at the independent thinkers and movers in the 60s and early 70s. And then we would have a model for an example of what we should be doing. So to me to look at that captain's attorney in Burkina Faso, it's not just to look at it from afar, but to look at what did he do, how did he organize things and what are the pitfalls and what are the things that work because he's simple. really extending the independent mindset and movement from the past, from the '60s, from the '70s. I mentioned Thomas Sankar from the '80s, and he's continuing that today. And there's more people that need to look at that background to see what an independent leader looks like, rather than just quoting some of the leaders in what they said, what did they do? What did Malcolm do? He formed the Organization of African-American Unity after the Organization of African Unity. So, he and those of us here were benefiting from the independent political direction of Africa. It's not one way, it's both. We learn from them clearly, and they learn from us, but it's about independence. And that's why Robert, if you look at Zimbabwe, look at Zimbabwe. When Zimbabwe became independent in 1980, Robert Mugabe depresented and condemned the British colonialist, the British imperialist, the British landowners, and it was amazing that a lot of people who were not knowing the background of Zimbabwe when it was called Southern Rhodesia named after Caesar Rhodes, whether the war's human beings born in the 19th century, a bonafide genocidalist who wanted to colonize Africa from the Cape of Good Hope in the South to Cairo in the North. This British genocidalist, he called a whole region after himself, Southern Rhodesia, after Caesar Rhodes. So when the revolutionaries in Zimbabwe organized an armed struggle to kick out the British and become independent, they'd change it from Southern Rhodesia to Zimbabwe because they were respecting great Zimbabwe of the past. And Mugabe told the Americans in the British at the UN that he told the UN, the Secretary General, please remind the Americans and British that we won our independence to armed struggle and we will keep our independence through armed struggle. And so, and then you get people throughout the black world condemning Mugabe because the Western press was condemning him in America and Britain. And you got people that were totally unpolitical in the U.S., nonpolitical, but yet they were fine ways in their speeches and writings to condemn Mugabe. Why would you be condemning a revolution there that freed Africa from colonial rule because the press presented it that way and people were running, would it have became popular? Anybody look at what happened with Mugabe is crazy that people be condemning the man. But Brother Carl, we have examples here in the U.S. and in Africa of leaders pointing an independent direction. And so that's where we should be moving to. Yes, we would have to have conferences and meetings and structures and apparatus and understand what has happened in the past, what went well, what went wrong, how it was attacked and how to defend moving forward. Otherwise, it's going to be the same situation that we have where we're trapped into a quagmire with no way to get out because the historical opponent, the direct enemy of black people are determining what people can and cannot do. These are white benefactors that buy off, literally buy off people and tell them what they can and cannot do. And all we have to do is look behind the scenes to see how people are funded and to see how they vote. You can see that they're trapped and they're colonized. So we have to be careful about that and think independently that will help solve a lot of the problems or at least to start the problems. Fifteen of the top. The fear of the Baltimore wants to join the discussion is online one. Grand Ryze in fear of what? You're on my professor, I'm him. Grand Ryze. I think in part what the gentleman was saying in relation to the former president, if we had listened to him, he wouldn't have been in his mess today. If we had listened, if more of us had listened in reference to getting Miss Harris voting voted for, we wouldn't be in the, we wouldn't have the problems that we had today. Really think that that's a failing comment and in reference to it. But I've got to get his book to see if the gentleman said in the book because I listened to what he said and I think it's, it, it, it, it, who would have won me to see what he's saying is so. I think also the problem with black people in this country is we haven't been monolithic. That's the problem. If we had voted as one block, let's say for Democrats, which I am a practical Democrat, then a lot of things would be different instead of having splintered into this party. And having a few of us in the other party and the gentleman who was trying to say, let's make the perfect, over the, in a more perfect world, what he was saying in reference to having a, like a parliamentary system. That would work. But in today's Republican party, no, the Republican party is people for the most part by the type of people that Donald, that supported Donald Trump. And they are racist and they are hateful. And yet they still call the name of Jesus Christ as their savior, ignoring this. So I think in reference to that, there's no perfection in Democrats, but I would rather be one of them than the Republicans. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Phil. And we're coming from a break. I left Professor M. P.M. response. And also response you about your question whether or not the Barack Obama supported reparations. I'll share a story that was shared by one of previous guests on that. One team after the top there family, I guess this Professor M. P.M. discussing African Davis is going to be on Memorial Day this year. 800, 450, 78, 76. We'll take your phone calls next. The same with us on this Monday morning. Perhaps you'll start on your week with us at 21 minutes after the top there with our guest Professor M. P.M. He's an Africana history professor and also a primary researcher at Contra Costa College in Northern California. He's going to tell us about his trips to Africa that he's taken later this year before he leaves us. Last guest, last caller, Theodore from Baltimore, was questioning whether or not a Barack Obama supported reparations. And Professor M. P.M. said, no, he didn't. Well, I'm just share this with you. Dr. M. Malvo, Dr. Julian Malvo economist, and she was here last week. She's on assignment, a TV assignment, to interview Barack Obama when he was president. Of course, she's going to ask him a reparations. As soon as he posed the question, Barack Obama's still going to ask if he was going to sit up and start taking off his mic. So I don't want to talk about that. Next time she's on Ask Us, she'll tell that story. So that gives you, you don't have to read his book to find out whether the unnoticed supports a reparations. But Professor, I'll let you finish your response to something else that he said. Anything else you wanted to address? No, I think that's, but we have to recognize that, that the reason why MSNBC changed its name to MS now. And because after the 2024 election, there was a mass exodus from MSNBC, viewership, and see in the end viewership because they flat out lied to the public. So people don't trust them. They don't trust them like they don't trust Fox. And because they lie and they fabricate. So this is why alternative media has become so popular. And so YouTubers, it's amazing how YouTubers, there's some YouTubers that are very professional and very informed that had that election. And many other things, even the current war in Iran, they are very accurate and insightful and they have been for years. So this is what people should look at. And I guarantee people would have a different perspective and point of view when they're being brought evidence and receipts from independent journalists who use social media, particularly you too as a way to to get out credible news and not just people be locked into the legacy media, which is by large popping end of media. Got you. 23rd at the top. That West is joining us. Season V at L is online one. Grand Rising West. You're on with Professor Manu Amp. Yes, my brothers are your guru, John Bow and I burrow gun and looking at my fat meat on top of my head between my left and my right here. First thing on this, we want permanent voting rights. Not negotiable. It's time to get that stressed out to take off to this permanent voting rights. I'm getting tired of this every five years. We got the vote on that, Matt. Okay. We want permanent voting rights. It pisses me off. That's simple, man. I'll ask you, man, because you're making me mad or I think about this, man. Perfect. Thanks, man. What's wrong with you all, man? I love you, man. All right. Thanks, Wes. Professor, can we demand a soul just like we can't, does it make, is it a hollow request? Can we demand reparations? Can we, you know, it seems some people say it's begging when it comes to reparations. And the same thing in the same, West just started by voting rights. How do we, how do we navigate around both these issues without having to demand or beg white folks for them? I don't see how we can other than just being diligent, stay diligent and focused because, you know, the right to vote. That's not taken away, but it's the sections within the voting rights bill 1965 goes expired. So, I guess, in the point of trying to make some of the sections permanent. Then there's always going to be the counter argument. And we have these sections because we have a racist history of different states and different counties that would do everything they could to make sure that black people couldn't vote. That's why I've asked all the students you look at the 15th amendment in 1870, which gave African American men the right to vote. But white nationalists, the white community, the white supremacist, they did everything they could to undermine the 15th amendment with the grandfather clause. and father couldn't vote then it. didn't vote, you can't vote or if it's a poll tax, if you don't have the money, oh well. And if you can't read and interpret the Constitution, you can't vote, read and interpret the Constitution. Most people can't even do that today. So, it's ways, so you know, it took a historic struggle by black people 100 years later for the voting rights bill that was passed in 1965. So, that's just the way it is. So, it means that we have to stay diligent and we cannot rest on old victories and turn our back because it's all a part of a game. So, it's, that's what it's about in America. We're dealing with some genocide on maniacs and it's always loopholes on this, that and the other. So, we have to remain diligent and keep our head on a 360 degree swivel with anybody and in group outside of our community. Otherwise, people will be done in and they will be let down and shocked at the moves people make. And I've seen some of the worst things by progressive white folks. So, when I was in Nicaragua and we can't, this is in '87, I came back from Nicaragua and in Baltimore, there was all these progressive left white activists. And I remember just the way in which they looked at anybody that was not white was as they were just a native, quote, unquote, there to entertain them. And we're just a side show to what they wanted to do in their so-called progressive movement. So, it's really important that we always keep our head on a swivel and we look at this. But yeah, it would be nice if it was just voting rights and that's the end of it, but there's always a virulent opposition. That we're, and there's no accident while a lot of these groups even came up like the Tea Party. They're responding to any progress black people make. So, look, regardless of the limitations of Obama, he's in office and so now the white boys go to white women, they go to another extreme. Trump, for example. So, there's always going to be this kind of opposition and we just have to know that. And and and have the long view because we don't have the long view as much as we should. Whereas some people are planning decades in advance, whereas we're not. We're kind of settling on old laurels and old scores that we may have won and not all of us but too many think that the old victories don't have to continue to be re-won. We have to do this not only in politics, but even in scholarship, we have defeated the historical propagandists that would make us think that Africa has no history worthy of knowing. And we've been people think that that battle has been won yet has been won in the past, but the historical academic opponents have slowly and methodically within their own circles. Dave, long before Trump and others want to take these, this information out of the school system, you look at public museums, which we don't typically go through. You look at other kind of ways and information is getting out in local papers and institutions outside of the school that promote a completely different story that what black folks had already won in terms of the significance of black people and the significance of Africa outside of slavery. And so the scholarly community, these people are propagandists. That's why trained students not just what they should know, but how do you know? And teaching them primary or first-hand research by going to the sources and making a critical assessment of text and other evidence so that we're not just believing something because it sounds good. We're can sound good today. And then it would be detrimental tomorrow if we don't have the ability to assess and evaluate and the quality and credibility of information. But in every arena we have to be diligent one year after another and one generation after another, otherwise the opponents who tend to look more long term will undermine the gains that we've made. And I've seen that as as a historian and it's it's I would say concerning to say the least. All right, 30 minutes at the top of our mic is checking in from North Carolina. It says he has a solution. He's online one. Grant Ryzen-Mikey, I'm with Professor Manu Ampid. Well, I rise it called. You know, I listen to my brother, man. It sounds, you know, I'm not trying to be critical, but you know, sounds like the third or the baby. I was the bad one of mentality. And but I do agree with one thing you said that we do need to look to people like my brother over in Africa where we become self-sustained people. Where we buy land in the country and we start growing our own food and start breaking bread with each other again. That's where everything that he's talking about begins where we break bread together. We don't do that anymore. We don't have large gatherings where we get together and talk. And sometimes it might not be over the phone where we need to give away our secrets. So on the radio. So we do need to get back to some of the methods of self-sustained. This is what this is saying that sounds out to me instead of trying to go back and get back right. We need to create our own self-sustaining, you know, community where we can eat with each other and we can moderate and it begins in the gut. Once we start eating together and eating healthy, we start thinking healthy. I hope you agree with me and I'm going to get off the phone call as nice hands from your brother. I love you, man. All right, thanks Mike. Professor, you want to respond to any of the mics at? Yeah, just one thing. And that is one of the solutions that anybody can talk. And it's important to talk. But what's more important than that is that everybody should be a part of an organization. It should be a part of some organization benefiting the community. Otherwise, we don't move forward. And this is the message that we can learn from the great activists. So instead of accessing somebody, hey, what's up? And that's the end of it. You want to know what are you working on? You know, what what is your group doing? What's your organization focused on because of people are out there as lone individuals and there's nothing more than that just making outside observations is not going to move the community forward. So we have to be a part of organizations and that's when we collectively move forward. And this is one of the great lessons that we should always learn is that that's where we've been most affected part of organizations. And we also have to have clearly as I've indicated a historical view. Otherwise, we'll think that the decisions we're making today are reasonable and rational and sometimes they are not because we don't have the long history of what in background of what groups and individuals have been up to regarding our welfare. So that's what I would say. 20 years away from the top of the hour. We talked about Abraham, the Torah, Abraham, the Torah from Bikino Faso. And he's recently said, Professor Ampind that democracy, the we know, the western style of democracy does not work for Bikino Faso to day. Some people got upset with that because they said that, you know, once he took over and got out the people who were selling Ampind, you know, Faso, he would turn over the country and have the elections, the elections that he's basically saying that that's not on the on the table right now. Your thoughts about that? I would agree. We need a strong leader, such as Charway. He has only been in office now since the end of 2022. So it takes time to undo the great and negative French influence, for example. So he's kicked out from Bikino Faso. Captain Torrey is kicked out the French media, the France 24. He's kicked out the French NGOs. He's kicked out the special forces or the troops. He's also banned the French language. Watch it, Africans, but he was in the French language when they have their indigenous languages. And he's nationalized. Also the resources. They should be doing their own mining rather than focused on having outside companies do the mining and strip Africa of his resources. So yes, it's very important that he stays as the leader. He's just he's the the practical soldier who understands self-defense and offense for that matter, who has the vision and the courage to move the country forward. So clearly he's totally correct. He should stay in power. And of course, no western style to mark. Zanahel could have been a democracy anyway when the vast majority of Americans oppose the war, for example, in Iran, but yet the madman can sit and make independent decisions, even with his dementia. Where's the democracy? And the Congress hasn't even weighed in on this. He's violated the Constitution. So democracy has been a myth and what people should also know is that when America was being formed and the Constitution was being constructed in the 1780s at the Constitutional Convention, 1787, the so-called founding fathers, the elite gentlemen who were mainly largely slave orders and the elite of the Gentile class, they agreed that there should not be and they do not agree to a democracy. They said if it's a real democracy, the country would would devolve into anarchy and chaos. So they've never believed in a democracy. They never called it that. So they wanted to make sure that they controlled all of the resources and the decision making. That's why they also they put in place at the Constitutional Convention, the a system whereby the average that the people. themselves could not directly choose the president. They put that in place so that the electoral college was a way to keep them in power. So we don't have and never had a democracy nor did they argue that they were in favor of the democracy. This has just been the propaganda that has been promoted in popular writings but it's not the reality. In fact, for the Carl to show you how uninformed American public is, people think that July 4th, 1776 is American Independence Day. It's not when America became independent. The country was fighting against a British to become independent. This was a war, a eight year war that started in 1775 and the next year, the 13 colonists and their leaders said, "We are fighting now. We want the British and everyone to know. We're fighting to become independent." And that's why they issued the Declaration of Independence. They were declaring that that's what their goal was, but they had to fight for another seven years until 1783 and actually win the war. So the date of American independence is not July 4th. It's September 3rd, 1783 with the signing of the Treaty of Paris. Anybody can see this if they go to WhiteHouse.gov. Look for the Treaty of Paris. September 3rd, 1783 with the Library of Congress.gov or LLC.gov. If you need another source, the National Archives. Go to archives.gov and again, it's the Treaty of Paris. So even the birth of the country is mythologized as somebody issuing some documents and pronouncements don't declare independence. They don't grant independence. You are independent at the end of the war when you've won the war and an agreement has been signed. Treaties in wars, not announcements. If an announcement could win a war, the war in Ukraine would have been over. If an announcement could win a war, then the war in Iran right now. I mean, the Mad Man said they won the war against Iran when they're absolutely losing. US bases destroyed. US interests are destroyed. But the media is not presenting this. So anybody can make an announcement during a war, but that doesn't matter. It matters what happens at the end. So I can go on and on on that point. However, if people are uninformed, it had never heard of the real birth date of America. Just think how much more were uninformed. July 4th is not American. And the finish, the only value it has is that this was a document that was announcing what the American Congress were fighting for. But the country, so that document and that announcement would have meant nothing if the American colonists had lost to the British, but they won. And then that's why they won their independence on September 3rd, 1783. All right. September 3rd. So hold that thought. September 3rd, that should be the day the folks who celebrate the 4th of July, that's what they should be celebrating. I think that's what you're trying to tell. But listen, we got to get a quick break. When we come back, I let you explain that. Also, we talked about Abraham Torrey, what he's doing in Burkino, Faso. How can we do anything like that? We control nothing. We don't control anything, I should say, my grandma, in this country. I'll let you respond to those feelings as well. Family, you too can join our conversation with Faso Manu and Pian. Take your phone calls. Next. [Music] And, grand rising. Family, thanks for sticking with us on this Monday morning. 16 minutes away from the top of that with Faso Manu and Pian. Before we go back to the Faso, we've got a shout out. Minister Louis Fargon, today's his birthday. Minister Fargon is 93 years young. He was born in 1933 in the Bronx, New York, in the Caribbean immigrants. And now he's been with us all this time. And also when the great orators of our time, one of the great leaders of our time, Minister Louis Fargon, turning 33 this morning. So thank you again for Minister Fargon. But let's move on to Professor Ampim. Professor Ampim, before we left the break, my question to you, because we've shown a lot of admiration for Abraham Torrey, what he's doing in Burkino, Faso. He controls that country. What do we control here? Can you tell us one industry one, one area that we control, as Black people control, that we control it solely. We know of the Asians that control it, some of the nail industry and all of that, and some of them control the hotels, some of the smaller hotels. But what areas do we control that we can exert some economic control and make some moves with? I don't know of any particular area or industry, but I do know what we can do. And that is to, as I've said, to think independently. So it's like where are we spending our resources? This is one of the key questions. So if somebody looks at where they spent their money to pass month, to see how much of that is in the community with Black entrepreneurs, Black businesses, and Black services. That's where I would start because I don't think we control any industry because collectively, not enough of us think independently. We may look to save a dime and support somebody outside the community. But if we get good services, whether good services, whatever it is, why not support those businesses in the community and not enough people think that way. And we haven't, I mean, there's little things we can do. In every Black, every community, people can form a co-op. We all go into the grocery store, why not have a co-op where there's a group of friendly families in the community that buy and bulk? That's what they do in Ethiopia. Ethiopia, they'll buy grain or theft, which they make in Jira. One of the national foods in Ethiopia, there's families that will buy for a whole season. And they'll split it up. So they buy cooperatively and collectively, and they all save. So we can do that. It's just that we're not used to it. And if we started in that way, we would be able to save money to be more efficient in our spending and also target and focus on areas where we could support Black businesses. When somebody comes to Oakland, they don't get the normal tour that someone else would get away. They come to San Francisco. I don't show them fishermen's war. That doesn't mean anything to us. I showed them the hood and the community and independent businesses so that they can know where they can spend their resources and support. So I don't think we can control any industry, but we should be able to control our thinking to the point where we can stretch out independently. And speaking about Ibrahim Chari and Bertina Faso, the independent direction and position of kicking out the French and not using the French language and French resources, but to focus on internal resources. It's an important example because with Africa Day, this is the 68th year of what is now called Africa Day. And as I mentioned before back in 1958, it was African Freedom Day. But if we take a look at the multi-day conference in Nairobi, Kenya, they're focusing on Africa Day where they're focusing on unity and cultural festivals and summits, that all seems good and looks good. And they are independent traditional indigenous communities in Kenya. And so that's there. The problem with it is this African Day Kennedy event is co-sponsored by France and Macron. I mean, this is how crazy it is. Why would you have a colonial power who's still interested in colonizing Africa, co-sponsored and Africa Day event? And the Africa Day event emerges from a focus on African independence, but this is the kind of modern day 2026 contradiction that we see even with Africa Day. Could it be though that we've been so programmed this side of the Atlantic professor that we don't trust each other? They didn't go through that process. They only have to deal with the colonial masters. And once they threw off that yoke, they were free to deal with themselves. They could feel free to trust them. So I know they've got their issues as well, but it seems like our issues at times it seems insurmountable. We talked about having a Gary event where we sit down and hash out our differences and come up with a plan how to move forward. But even that was infiltrated. We got people who are going to sell us out. Is that a major problem for us on this side of the Atlantic? Not only here, it's also on the continent. I had read this and I took it in before I started to do my own primary or first hand research. One statement he made is very telling that there's too much as he called it tribalism among Africans. Here's what I would say about that in reference to that. He's totally correct. So when I'm doing field work in Sudan, South Sudan, Ethiopia, that area, Kenya, people would be shocked at how much division there is and they should also be aware that this division has nothing to do at all with outsiders. These are Africans that are so wedded to their traditional life ways that they don't give a damn about anybody else. So if you look at, so I spent two months in Ethiopia this past summer, I'm always doing work in the most remote areas. I mean, as remote as you ever find anywhere, just about anywhere in the world, and the differences and conflict is amazing. These people don't give a damn about the next tribe at all. They don't care anything about them. They will, if the cattle and animals from one group, if they start grazing in another group's area, they have no problem killing somebody over the fact that their resources are being used without their agreement. And I have many stories about that, but the amount of division that has nothing to do so what people need to know has nothing to do with outsiders. It has to do with them maintaining their own ideas, beliefs, and cultural practices. Now, on the one hand, it's problematic and negative because they'll fight in a minute. But for me, even though it's this negative aspect, the positive aspect is when I, when main new MPM, Professor Me knew it was doing field work, I'm able to observe the cultural lifeways and interview kings, chiefs, elders, heroes. And when I'm interviewing them and getting their ideas, watching their practices, this is their authentic cultural expression that they're not influenced by anybody. So I can see one group from another and be able to trace those practices back to antiquity. So that's why I'm able to look at the long history and show them, actually show them images from 4,000 years ago with the same ceremonies, the same rituals, same ideas. And I know the groups because of the cultural markets, not scarification, I don't call it that, but the cultural markets on the face. You can see the modern and ancient in the links, but the bottom line, the point of making is that the amount of divisions are stunning and shocking and it blows up the idea that is always outside Western colonialists who are creating divisions. They're not creating the divisions in many cases. They're exacerbating existing conditions and divisions. And that's one of the key elements that people need to know. And I'm talking about being in communities that have told me on a number of occasions that no one, no scholar has ever visited them before, like the DZ, for example, in South Sudan, or the Yangatom in Ethiopia, or among the Opal or the Komal, the Mijang, and no one's gone to those communities because they're smaller communities and they are just not as important to most resources, but to me, they're very important. But I can see how it is that they don't agree with each other. They don't get along. Sometimes you might have cooperation and trade, but just as many times you have innate divisions. And this is why you have conflict in various areas in, for example, Ethiopia, that people don't even know about. And the differences in conflict is not going away because these are deep-seated ethnic differences that nobody had to come in and create because they were already there. And unless we understand that, then we won't understand the larger issue of tribalism that we even have here in the U.S. It's tribalism too. Somebody is a part of this sorority or this fraternity or this political party or that political party. And that's why you have to be aware of these divisions in the same way that Africans have divisions based on ethnicity and language. All right. Six away from the top. Now before we let you go, though, you're advancing the research annual educational talks to Africa later this year. Are there still time for folks to join you? And if so, how do they reach you? Yeah, I appreciate it, brother Carl. This year, 2026 is the first year I'm not going to lead on push from my fieldwork last year. I was in Gambela, Ethiopia, which is a very remote area. So the first series in the documentary on push is what I'm working on finishing this year. So I postponed and will continue the education of tours and June the next year. So I'm taking the group to Kimit, a 15 day tour to Kimit and June 7th through the 19th of 2027 and then immediately after that, a tour to Ethiopia. Not only in the northern part with the great civilizations, but in the southern remote areas in Ethiopia. That'll be June and July. So people can reach me very directly at May, New M PIM at Gmail. That's M-A-N-U. Last name and PIM. That's A-M-P-I-M. May, New M PIM at Gmail. I'm going to go to the website, which is advancing the research.org and learn about the tours and my other ongoing work. People can also purchase my book, a history of African civilizations, which is Africa before the realment and before colonialism. And finally, for the folks that like to call, which is 510-878-7279. That's 510-878-7279. I'm Professor Maid Neweb Pymman, and I've been doing primary research on, in African studies for three and a half decades and going to dozens of countries. So that's been my ongoing work. Also, the first thing I'm feeling is when I discovered the Willie Lynch letter was a fraud. It was a fake. The title of that book that you have. Because I know you wrote a book about that. Yes. The book is Death of the Willie Lynch speech exposing the myth. So you can order it directly through us at www.dancingoresearch.org. Or you can also get it from Brother Paul Coats, a Black Classic press there in Baltimore, and Brother Paul published it back in 2013, where we exposed this is nothing but a modern myth. All right. Thank you, Professor Ampain. Thank you for the work that you did, and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. So take it both across. It's always my pleasure. All right, family. That's it for the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong. Stay positive. Please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore, around 1010 WOLB. And also on the DMV on 1450 WOL.