#6 - Calibrating your Emotional State & Motherhood with Amelia Randolph Campbell

[MUSIC] Hello and welcome to the Veritas Podcast, where we believe leadership is first and foremost a spiritual path. My name is Dr. Lauren Borden. I am a professional certified coach, industrial organizational psychologist, and your host. Together we'll bridge the divide between the practical and the spiritual, the conscious and the unconscious, and mind, body, and spirit. All to support you in deepening your growth so that you can create the impact in the world that only you can have. It's so good to have you here. Let's get started. [MUSIC] Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Veritas Leadership Podcast. I am so excited to have you here today, and we are joined in this conversation by one of my dear friends, Emilia Randolph Campbell. Emilia is a motivational speaker and mentor. She has graced the TED stages, and I actually first met Emilia back way back when I was getting my business started. In the New York City networking scene, which for anyone who's lived in New York City and gotten a business started, knows that that is just a very intense experience that people take it really, really seriously. I met some really amazing people while doing it, including Emilia. Emilia is someone whose reputation precedes her. When I first joined my networking group and started getting out in the world, everyone said, "Oh my goodness, you need to meet Emilia." For those of you who don't know her aside from her resume, her extensive resume and the work that she's doing with clients, she is this amazing combination of spirit and attunement. She's just wildly intuitive, deeply, deeply thoughtful. She's always working on something and thinking about something and playing with things in her head to really derive insights and wisdom from those things to apply to her life and to the life of her clients. She's a mother and just a general joy to be around. When I first met Emilia, she's one of the most well-connected people that I know and makes friends just so quickly. And very rarely have I met someone with who just is every single person Emilia is connected to is equally as impactful and amazing. I've never met anyone through Emilia who hasn't been incredible. I feel like that is such a cool test and indicator of who she is in the world. In terms of our conversation today, we had a really great time exploring a lot of different things. But really what you can expect from this conversation is that we took some time to really dive into what it looks like to calibrate your emotional state so as to show up in the world in a way that you want to. As someone who works pretty, who is a highly sensitive person and who works pretty and pretty closely with people who are highly sensitive, who are attuned to her empathic, who like pick up on the energy in the room and feel a lot of things very deeply. This was a really important conversation for me, particularly because it's so easy when you're in a journey of learning what it means to honor where you are. Like on that journey, it's so easy to honor where you are, but to the point that you kind of are at the effect of it. Like you feel things really deeply and then you're sort of stuck in them or you have a hard time moving past them. So Amelia's work is a direct antidote to this. It speaks directly to that experience of okay, how do you be an intuitive, highly emotionally aware person and also intentionally cultivate your state and your emotional state so you can go out in the world and create all the things that you want to create. What I love about this conversation is that it's not an either or like it's a conversation about how you can hold both of those things at the same time this deep reverence for where you are. And also this intentionality about your emotions and your experience and how you show up in the world. Amelia is super generous in this conversation and shares with us one of the central tools that she deliberately created on her own to support herself and her clients and me and everyone in the world in doing this and doing this more effectively in that intentional emotional calibration process. And what do I mean by that, by the way, when I say emotional calibration, I mean being able to move through the world. Notice noticing what's happening for you emotionally and the way that you're showing up. And rather than like get stuck in something that's not actually serving you shift and elevate elevate your emotional experience elevate what's happening internally for you. So that like you can go out in the world and be different and I mean many of us have had this experience before where you're sort of in a low space or you're you're moving through some really dense stuff and when when we're moving through density when we're. sad or depressed or anything like that there's so much gold in those experiences that it's important to be able to feel into them and also sometimes we can get stuck there and when we get stuck there that might impact like our work or it might impact our creations like if you're in a state of sadness or density or anxiety or and or kind of like tension and resistance that will then show up in the thing that you're creating. So part of the work is in going into the resistance and being like okay what are you here to teach me when that is appropriate and sometimes after we've done that after we've held space for that. That's when we can say okay got it I've learned what I need have needed to learn from this thing that's shown up. And so and and now that I've been with like the value in the gold and received the value and the gold that I needed to from that particular habit how do I now create a new one from a different internal space. So that's what I mean when I say calibrate your emotional state and Amelia created these tools to support people in being able to be in that conversation and be able to do that like right now so by the time you're done with this podcast. You'll have tools that you can use and apply based off of Amelia's work to be able to shift and adjust your emotional state and do the things that i'm talking about I also really want to take a moment to acknowledge how important this part is like it's so rare to have a creator who's willing to jump on a podcast and. Actually talk about like the actual process of what their look their work looks like and the these tools were created by Amelia like Amelia sat down and she. She created them herself like she didn't she didn't adapt them from someone else's work she didn't like look at a tool that was in the coaching coaching industry and adjust it and like repackage it like she. These are this is original work that is a byproduct of the work she was doing with her clients and herself and it's really, really powerful so i'm super excited for you all to be able to get some exposure to that in this conversation. And I also want to say make sure you do not miss the rapid fire questions at the end. Then was opened up a really cool door as they always do where Amelia shares one of her personal like one of the biggest learnings that she received from the process of. Motherhood and the birthing process, which can be applied to frankly everything like. In in the way that we move through our lives and the way that we lead in the way that we relate to people like such a profound wisdom was shared so make sure you don't miss that part and without further ado we can go ahead and jump in so i'm excited for you to meet Amelia and let's go ahead and get started. i'm really welcome. Thank you i'm so excited to be here. i mean you're just like you're a joy and i'm just when I was reflecting on the number of the people who I want to want to bring in and like who's who has like wisdom that I think would be potent and impactful for people and also just like we can have a lovely conversation I I just appreciate you so thanks for coming on. Thank you. yeah well so Amelia i'd love to hear just tell us a little bit about who you are who you are and what you're up to in the world. Absolutely i'm I hail from the southwest from stanifena mexico and i've been on the east coast for over 20 years since going to college in Massachusetts at Wheaton College and then since then I've just had a multi tiered. adventure in New York i have been living with my family for a while now in Brooklyn my kids are eight and five i'm sitting amidst. It's a fort of toys and stuffed animals that I just showed Lauren right before this. And currently I'm just living like kind of like a metamorphic, perfect storm area of life and career. I'm motivationally speaking and mentoring and teaching creative mindset strategy around consciousness, particularly story consciousness and how to reimagine it for yourself. Wait, this is the first time I've ever heard you put all of those words together. Like story consciousness. Wait, you also said creative. What was the idea? I think since the last time we talked, I've even been been honing even more. But I have it down to because we're going to talk about it, but my stuff is pretty high concept. So the work itself, which you've experienced and then how I talk about what it is, I'm really looking to dial it down into super simple and accessible terms. So so I teach I teach creative mindset strategy around story consciousness and story re imagination. Well, that's because I've having experienced your work. Also everyone like backing up. I went through a I went through a like a one day workshop with you. What was it like three months ago or former? It was over the summer. I don't know. I was like eight months ago or something. Okay. It feels like a month ago because I moved and all this stuff happened. But it it's like it felt so it feels so recent. But I had the privilege of experiencing your work firsthand. And I don't I like having gone through that. The words you just used perfectly explain what I experienced. But can you say a little bit more about what that is? Like what that means means to you and like the yeah, what that means for you. Absolutely. To me, I'm just I'm obsessed with. Cute with humans and our lives and what makes us tick and all of my backgrounds have have articulated that. And it's been the core love of everything I've done. But in the core of that ends up being story like there's a whole there's a whole past career in in acting. There's a whole past career in leadership coaching and development of entrepreneurs overcoming their fears. It's I'm obsessed with personal growth and how one gets from one place to another and the intricacies of what that is and what and how we try to force it. And when we know we're not where we want to be, the ways in which we inherently try to force our way to that spot versus the the intricate kind of like emotional and mental chiropractic work that's possible for. Calibrate in yourself in a way that really belongs only to you like a pathway that you can unlock through micro shifts through that. Noise that doesn't actually belong to you, which is story. That you've prescribed you've taken on prescribed stories. So what's the difference between that and finding your own authentic path and it actually can look very much the same from the outside in. But but my work is is how to unlock your story shift by shift by shift following specific. Encounters with your own intuition like in micro steps. Whoa. That is so no that's that's the first time I think I've heard you explain it that way and it also it also explains why I the week get along so well and I'm so because the because the that thing you just described of like so many of us inherently approach or like are sort of trained in conditions and socialized to approach growth and development and I don't know just for any kind of forward motion from like grit grind go for like shear force of will and that's a beautiful skill to have and I've also see I want you to talk a little bit about your story because I you are gritty and determined and ambitious and like that's who I know you to be in the world and being able to not only yourself making this shift but also support yourself by going I loved you called it internal chiropractic work of like things that for me what that means is like inner alignment and are checking for where you have alignment and making these micro shifts so that when you actually achieve the success it's like yours and it's your path and it's built on this like unshakable foundation with yourself. That's what I hear in it. Yes. Did I butcher it? No, you nailed it. No, you helped you helped further articulate it for sure. Because I think and as you were talking I was thinking you know we live in a physical in the physical world so it is about doing it's about moving ourselves through our physical selves through physical life and you know often achieving things that are not physical but so there is an interplay of what we're doing internally and externally to get to where we want to go or simply just stop doing and rest but it is it's so all the noise is so overwhelming and there's external noise and there's also your own internal noise. So something that's very important to me is bringing consciousness to what's happening in yourself. Consciousness, first awareness and then acceptance like actually loving everything that's there and then vision so you can see and feel where to go. Really it's like it's often what what you love to to coach on which is connecting to your intuition like how do you find your personal intuition and listen to what's truly only you know meant for you. Oh my gosh. Yeah it's like why we get along but but you bring such a cool and different and complement it like like the the lane and the lane that you've built out for yourself and the work that you're currently doing is so unique to you and it's so powerful. I'm curious like how did Amelia can you walk us through how you got here like just a high level your story in terms of because you mentioned like a few different pieces that are I feel like are important important pieces of the puzzle. Yes I know like we kind of jumped forward into it to the nitty gritty. I loved it. Yes so I always you know I've been someone who's been extremely like a type you know driven get it done and I'm still like that like check it off the to do list like like getting just addicted to doing right. You might relate and just love and then just always super passionate super on fire. I and I declared myself that the the the I found the theater was in the Wizard of Oz in like when I was seven and that took me and I I just went with that and I was like this is the only thing I'm going to do ever which is another thing I make super grand declarations right and I've learned to accept like life has very different plans and the happier you are with flowing with them the happier you'll be because there's gold everywhere because what I love most about my story is that I had a very wonderful career in theater and and film in New York for the last many many years and that's what I got my degree in and it was like that's what I was doing and then you know I what I loved most about that was. Moving hearts and minds ultimately through story and moving my own the experience of and this is ultimately what I teach I the experience of changing your state. And being in charge you're the one who gets to change it you're the one who gets to feel where you are where you want to go and you get to bring yourself to a new place and you know after I got married I became pregnant with with my daughter Zia and right around then you know I started wanting leverage in choice and finances and of my time and I wanted something I could leverage and not so much dollar for hour in terms of like the waiting tables which I had done for you know 17 years to support acting it was like just time for something different so I actually I went down an entrepreneur like Lane and you know fell in love with with sales actually and sales teams and I became it was the most surprising thing because growing up you know I've been I hate sales I still don't really like sales to this day but it's not sales that I love like it's the personal development that sales demand. In order for you to embody like a salesmanship role a saleswoman ship role you know that what you have to become in order to overcome the things you don't like about that to gain the freedom and massive reward on the other side so there's another example of growing yourself in ways that you aren't currently embodying in order to become something that you can envision and you can't just leap from here to there you have to cultivate it and grow it and figure out how you fit around these things that is going to be unique to you. So again in that field it was all about you know mindset and growth and overcoming fear and just the intercazies of how cool we are and how individually and different we are as humans but the the access that we have to to powerful information that can transform So then I, you know, I was able to build a large team. I rose to leadership and executive director ship and in this company, social retail company called Ever. And I started speaking at conference at annual conference. I would do these motivational speeches on sales. I was supposed to speak a little bit more brass tax like the to do is and I ended up just going off about motivational growth. And, you know, I that felt amazing to me because I was able to tap into my to my old realm of moving hearts and minds from a stage and feeling that special communion of audience and and order. But afterwards in particular, I got a lot of really, really great feedback like the kind where the universe is like banging you over the head, being like, pay attention to this. And while one moment in particular, you know, she, I'll never, this is like a moment. One of those moments in life, she came up and she said, she said, I really wasn't on board with this with this conference. I don't even really know what I'm doing, you know, in the company yet, I really wasn't going to come and I didn't even really want to come in. For some reason, I came and she said, I just heard you talk and now I know the reason why I was here. And it's because of what you said and, you know, how can I get things that you're saying that I can wake up to every day? Because that's how I want to start my day. And I was like, I just had chills all over. I think it's sort of crying. I like hugged her. And she said, you need to, you need to do this. And I, I just, I felt it. So shortly thereafter, you know, when you're ready, that's why I call it a perfect storm. You know, the right person appears and the woman who became, you know, my coach and mentor for the next two years showed up in my life where her name's Trisha Brooke. And I took her first course and I didn't know, I didn't even know what I was going to speak on. Like I didn't really have any kind of topic or direction. But I knew I wanted to try. And in that first course and certification, I took with her, I ended up finding and writing my very first talk. I ended up finding the core idea that would become the founding principle of my whole, what would then become my whole methodology and my company. The arc company, which is my initials. And that idea was ultimately teaching personal transformation through an actor's point of view. And I've since really leaned off of the actor's point of view because, because while that's part of it, you know, a lot of people were only, they would hear that. And while I have a deep understanding of what that is, they would hear it and think, you know, oh, I'm taking an acting class. And that's like the last thing that it is. It's like, it's a class on consciousness and transformation. Using, you know, there's some, there's some very tactile adapted strategies I use from rehearsal. And, but also, you know, invented strategies from my own energy work and understanding of and study of the laws of the universe and, you know, growth and development. So that's, that's kind of how I, how I landed on this. And yeah, you were in one of my first beta workshops, which I've since, you know, been able to hone, hone much more like, you know, like a diamond, it's really, it's, it's reinventing itself all the time and becoming, you know, what I know that it's meant to be. And that's still in journey, like part of what I teach is like, it's constant, we're in constant evolution. And one skill that I love to translate into people's hands is the, is the practice of being moment to moment and being radically, the skill of being radically present and allowing all the change and flow that's occurring in you at all times, which actually strengthens your core presence. You know, you're not like, oh, I'm all over the place all the time. It's like, no, you're a, you're the master of, of the storm. You know, you're in the eye of the hurricane and everything is, is kind of in your command and charge, but you're very flexible and powerful. Holy smokes. Just lean back and let you go because there was so, there was so much in there. So much in probably too much, probably too much. I'm learning how to try to like say less sometimes. No, but I mean, there were so many, not at all. There were so many sound bites of like, of, and some of the nuggets that I, and by the way, when I'm saying, when I'm repeating it back to you, it's not because you weren't clear. It's because I'm part of it is how I process and like, I'm trying to keep, I'm trying to love that about you. I love that. Oh, thank you. Some people say it sounds like woman explaining or woman's planning or mansplaining or. Oh, no, I think it's an incredible thing to do. I've tried to incorporate more of that because of listening to you do it. Oh, thank you. It's, it's actually for my own processing, but, but like one of the things that I got really present to through my exposure to your work was like, and actually everyone, if, if you're intrigued by this conversation, I'm going to include in the show notes, Amelia is Ted Talk. It was Ted Talk, right? It was Ted Talk. Yeah, I just had a moment of, yeah. And where, and when I was, when I was listening to that, what I got really present to was that moment for you in your, in your acting career, where I would imagine that you really felt that sense of like, I could be living this story in my life right now and just pick it up and shift it. And that, that's also one of the reasons that you, what, you have been as impactful in the world as you have been because you, you focus so much on that inner alignment of your story and the place that you want to go. Like, you're not just outdoing the things. You're doing the inner work to cultivate that coherence that has allowed you to go do it, do the thing out in the world. And like, can you say a little bit more about that? Because I know that that's a theme that runs through your work in terms of like crafting your story and story crafting. And like, what does that mean to you? And what is it? Where do we start with that? What does it mean? And where do we start? Right. Well, I love that question. Where do we start? Because again, these things are pretty massive. But where we start in, in my work and my exercises is, is the whole goal is experience and micro experience. So I don't talk a lot. I'm just, I'd say a little bit about the work, what the work is, what the goal is. And then we just start dialing it down to single words and single motions. And, and because that, the whole goal is to just cut out a lot of the noise. And just, and just we speak, I have everybody just start saying what they're feeling in single words. And we write it all down. And just all of it, right? And to notice what's what's coming up. And what ends up happening is we fill this massive page of every emotion under the sun. And that can be the case, you know, whenever you do it, if you do it five minutes later, it could be completely different emotions. But the goal is to is to recognize everything and give, give permission for everything that's occurring. But from, it's almost like a creating a bit of a meditative state in that you're noticing, you're noticing things, but you're not attaching to any, any certain, you know, one thing. And you're noticing what's happening in the room as, as various, you know, things are coming up. But then you move on to what's next. And. So your question was. Was probably what you're describing is my question was basically like, in terms of the through line, one of the through lines of your work is supporting people in like crafting their stories and being intentional about their stories, right? Like what that sort of what that looks like. So if you're, if someone's listening and they're like, what how do I like, okay, so I want to start being present to the stories that I'm crafting. So we find, we find the stories by feel. Our focus so often is, is the doing even in how we think we're thinking in actions. And then we're thinking in judgments on those actions. And we're thinking of all the actions we have to do or didn't do or whatever. And. And then there's lots of story around those actions either done or undone. And. And what, what this work does is bring consciousness to what actually is your story around. But the whole point is to find where your resistance is. It's your resistance and liberation story. So through this like word mapping guided exercise and it goes intuitively. It's like you find what you're feeling. You find the best of what you want to feel. And then you very specifically can pinpoint what you want to feel, but where there's resistance. Yeah. And then we we blossom out. We use this exercise to blossom out what that is and give it space and room. And I call it like like doorways. So say, for example, if you want to do a quick example, say like one of the words we wanted to feel or we did feel was productive. And we want to feel much more like we love feeling productive. But we also have like a fight with that word. Because the ways in which yeah, I know the ways in which we think we need to be productive. are making us feel less than or frustrated or unworthy or being productive. I tried all that and it didn't work, but I have to keep trying that because that's the only way to make this goal. So we have a lot of, we can emotionally find through this word mapping. And it's by feel where our resistance is. So then you take that, you take that word and you, you, you flesh it out in a way that you can find a lot more life around that word, a lot more breath around that word. And you can find a different doorway in. To, to feeling so you, you're feeling very differently and you're taking feelings that are born off of that word. That start to take you away from focus on that word. I teach so much about focus because you can't focus on the problem and the solution at the same time. So, so what feels good, what feels good, think about that, what feels good that has come from productivity in the past, like go off into dream land about that and, and, and calibrate yourself to the best of what that is instead of where your worries are on it. We do that in very specific ways in the room. And then, you know, you feel these, you feel these, these shifts, I teach you, you know, experiential learning because you can't learn, you don't learn by words alone, it's funny because we only work with word by word. But it creates an experience and when you have an experience and an actual shift, then you have learned it and it's, you know how to do it. It's gone, it's gone into you. And so you learn to live in these other emotions around a particular area. And then you operate from that from that realm. And then you, you, you approach what you need to do in quotes from a place you've created a new emotionally. And then everything you end up doing from that place will land you in a state of having ended up being quite productive that in that day, but you haven't tried to force yourself through the doorway of reductive you've gone in through the doorway of Abuelient or verbose or whatever lights you up in that moment, if that makes sense. It's about, so you're using, oh my gosh, it's like so, it's so interesting because you're using, you're using words as an access point and the words that we use and, and the embodiment, it feels like also the embodiment of those words as an access point to support people on getting on, calibrating. And there's, there's state so that they can get better results and actually craft their emotional state. So let me make sure I'm getting, because I'm like the, because y'all, Amelia, you have created the most powerful exercises. And you're being so generous with us and like explain, literally explaining how you do them and like the philosophy behind them and these things, I really actually think that these are going to be things that are like taught in coaching coaching schools at some point. Because that's like, that's how good, that's how good these things are. And. But like one of the things I really, I'm thinking in terms of practicality is like, if one of one of the ways that we, I think get in our own way is, I'm like, OK, I want to be productive, right? I'm like, I want to be productive. And there's what you're saying is there are all of the things that we bring to that conversation. There's like my, our current relationship to productivity, which is like, I want to be productive. It kind of lights me up. But also like, I hate the sheds and like, all the people who tell me that I need it and all of that stuff gets laced into our embodiment in the moment when we're trying to be productive. Yep. And it blocks us. Yes. And then you're energetic pathway and then your energetic signature on everything you're doing is misaligned to you and is unsatisfying to you and you know you know something's off like, and it says you off like it makes you mad. And then it causes frustration and it causes even more determination and then we try to ram at that even more and it's like, there's other, there's other ways around it that belong only to you. And whoa. I'm blurring. I'm doing this blurring thing because I'm getting excited, excited. But, but I'm really like one of the things I want to highlight and what you're saying that's so cool is like what you're teaching. people to slow down and actually notice. - Yeah, yeah. - And the relief in that slow down is massive, because the way that we focus in these small ways, like it stops, again it's kind of meditative, it forces like just a very, very simple focus, very simple noticing so that there's room to feel. And then I was like, don't think about it. Like, you know, how does that make you feel? Let's talk about those words. What words of those light you up, which ones I always say to you have like a fight with, you know, and just intuitively feel them and begin to follow, you know, follow this path and you're manifesting a different state through this kind of like soft chiropractic method. I came up with that while I was journaling on my notes for this podcast, this chiropractic thing. - This is what it is. - It is. - It is. - It is. - I also just started seeing a chiropractor, so it's very front of mind. - Oh, how funny. - And like appropriate that you just, but so can you, would you be willing to like, walk us through an example of this? So for example, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So actually, I just, I pulled up, I just pulled up, I didn't a two hour mastermind lecture of these three exercises last weekend. And this is, this was a group of 11 high powered entrepreneurs, incredibly beautiful women growing their businesses. And the word that we picked together, some of the words that were the flashlight words, the ones that have the resistance were determined, powerful, satisfied. It's like, these are ones that we love feeling, but it's like, they also have the weight of, of should, and they have the pressure of performance. - Ooh. - And they, they're heavy, and they, they have judgment in them, and they have measuring sticks. So there's, the other ones are abundant, ambitious, fulfilled, independent, comfortable. So we picked ambitious. And what we do, and you could do so many of these, right? And the more you do, the more you will just like, liberate light in yourself and pathway. But we picked ambitious. So drew a line down the middle of the page and put ambitious on the bottom. And I said, okay, when you're in just the worst place with this word, when it's on top of you, when you're just like, you can't, you know, you can't get out from under this word, and it's just drowning you, as much as you know that it's good. What does that feel like? And I don't even have to explain. People just start saying where. It feels, it feels unsustainable, heavy, imbalanced, expected, responsibility lonely, out of reach, busy, ambitious feels like anger, overwhelmed, anxious, ambitious feels, never ending, unrealistic, unworthy, selfish, anti-myself, like failure, it feels like surface, risky, endless, miserable, relentless, unsatisfied, tiring, misaligned, forced, expected, and unseen. So I said, okay, that's true. And that's when we're like trying to show up in our ambition, having fully fought into, prescribed sheds and other stories and other judgments, right? And we just can't get out from under that place. And so you can't just leap to feeling good about it, right? But how we get to feeling good about it is telling the full truth about the dark side. And then when we feel like that's fully excised because the dark side needs love. And nobody wants to do that. But like part of what comes from the acting world for me is the power of telling all truths. And when you're gonna embody somebody that maybe is a murderer on stage, like you have to find, you have to find where that is in yourself. And embody it. And that is something that belongs to that person, but so does everything else. But when you don't allow embodiment or permission or to look at and accept and send love to these parts, they will fight you. They'll fight you more. And if you try to keep them down and unseen, they, you'll feel them and they will hurt you. But if you can air them and give them love and believe that if you do that, they're not gonna drown you, there's another exercise we do that you did that allows things up and out. And you think that when a dark thing comes out, you think you're afraid of it. But like actually, there's a whole experience. We have where way, way, way more comes up than the dark stuff. Everything else comes up. It's actually like that's a gym for your emotions. But wait, can I pause it really quickly? 'Cause I wanna know where you go. after that, but that's a really important piece that I don't want to step over because it's like, okay, so we've all got, you just meant you said ambition, right? And everybody's got this funny relationship to ambition. And then we go out in the world and then we try to be ambitious. And we've got the part of us that wants to be ambitious and that's aligned with ambition. And then we've got the part of us that's like, yeah, we're holding up our middle fingers. Like, yeah, this is like, this is awful and should and it feels gritty and grindy and like I'm kind of fighting with myself to do it. And it's what you're saying that's so profound is that the solution is not just ignoring the part that wants to fight it. It's by being like, actually giving it light and being like, oh, what's true here? The truth is that I have a weird relationship with ambition that I'm resisting it. And can I love that part of myself first? Right. And even even if you can't love it, like, just recognize it. Because what I find is that when, especially when we do this next part, you find, oh, I'm feeling that, but that's not actually, I've taken that in. That doesn't actually belong to me. It's not mine. It's not mine. And I think unless we air it like that, unless we bring it up and look at it, we might start, we might believe that it is ours. And we're even more afraid of it and resistant to it and or just frustrated or angry with ourselves. There's less ability for more supreme self love. If we're worried that like that's actually part of us and maybe, maybe it is, but not all of it, right? So, so now what now, now where do we put out all the grime on ambition, right? And that just, I can't even tell you how fast the women were saying these words. And everyone's like, yeah, oh, God. And it just felt awesome. And then we were like, oh, I hate it. Like I'm so mad. And then I say, great. And that's all done in like black pen. And then above we write ambitious again. And I circle it and I say, all right, we just did all that crap. What does ambitious feel like when you, when it is your best friend and everybody in the room has had many experiences of like you and ambition are like, you're just dancing. It's your creating synergy. You're like, you're just, you are dance partners and you're flowing forward. And I didn't even have to keep explaining it very much. Everybody skills it because you, when you ask the right question, your mind will respond in the right way. It's like, and this is a whole, I did a whole other talk on this where this actually really simplifies the principles of the universe. If you ask a certain question, you're going to get that exact same kind of answer. So if you're like, what does ambition feel like when you hate it and it hates you, you're filling with nothing but that answer. And then when you're like, what does it feel like when it's your best friend, then all that comes up and not the rest. So it's about like this helps like clear up your frequency, really. So then here come the words flowing just as fast. What does ambition feel like when it's your best friend? Growth arrived. Ease. Fearless. Proud. Inspiring. Unstoppable. Unlimited. Powerful. Supported. Propeled. Contagious. Independent. Positive. Productive. Accomplished. Aligned. Exciting. Alive. Momentum. On track. Worthy. Grateful. Satisfied. Safe. Alive. It goes on and on. And then I just stop. And everybody, the room feels so visibly different and everyone's spaces are like, there's just relief and space that got created that everybody can feel inside themselves and in the room. And I said, we just changed the energetic frequency signature of this word. And so then I said, you know, of those words that we said, which ones, which of those light you up the most, you know, and someone said, satisfied. And I said, okay, let's focus on satisfied. Like, and we started then bringing up, you know, then I said, bring up memories of when you've felt the most satisfied and they can have nothing to do with work, even better if it doesn't, right? Just bring up in you when you've got all this great juice flowing, other times that you felt satisfied, it can be so simple is just like sitting with a cup of coffee, just be in that space and feeling and allow it to live inside you. And bring up as many instances of beautiful satisfaction as you can and memories. And then like literally you can just start to flow into some of your tasks from that space. You're not rushing, you know, you know, yourself, you're in tune. And work these words in yourself as long as it takes until you're just like slowing. And then go about your stuff. If you had to make a phone call, then do it. You know, if you then had to post on social media, do it from that place. And I bet from that place, you may have a whole new idea of what you want to post or a whole new list flows, like because you've unlocked some alignment with just you. And then, you know, go about your work as long as possible that way. Take breaks, whatever, maybe you don't work, maybe you go for a walk. And then on the walk, you have some kind of great idea. It's like you're cracking the window to let some air in, right? And it doesn't matter what kind of air comes in, like the right kind of air will come in to your body and mind to take you where you need to go. And so, and then you just get to follow it. And then whatever you do from that state, again, you're going to come back around and realize, oh, like you re-aligned with ambitious because you found a different doorway in. You weren't trying to go through the doorway of being ambitious. You felt your way to what that is for you today and tomorrow. An hour from now, it might be completely different, but you've got the way to map yourself out of resistance and into any space that you want to be in on your terms. And nothing even around you looks like it's different. You're just like working alchemy in yourself. And then I always say like this makes circumstances and results so much more weightless. And what you were focused on before that mattered so much in terms of results or whatever, often it ceases to even matter so much because you have felt so good. In your day and in your self, that that doesn't matter so much. You realize that you've given yourself in advance and throughout what you were trying to get through that statement you were fighting with, which ends up being the emotion surrounding a single word, which is the story of that word. Oh my gosh. Well, actually that last thing, and that last thing you said, it's like you're moving towards the thing and rather than like fighting with your relationship with that word, you're, well, what you're really doing with people and y'all the part of like the application that I hear of this too is that it's about where your attention is going and noticing and noticing in yourself these moments where you get that you called it resistance, like you get that resistance to something and having that be a red flag of like, okay, wait, there's something, there's like this is a pause. There's nothing wrong, but that's like a moment to go inward like you said. And then going and being like, okay, so what's the new access point that allows me to be fully embodied in this new experience without like fragmenting or fighting myself and like this, and I can confirm having gone through this that this is exactly what the experience is and that this, this process that you teach is is so effective at this because it like makes it this fun sort of playful community based experience of really of changing your state. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the power because like that's kind of work. It comes back to the core origin of acting is because that's what our job is as actors to change your state and you've got to know how to do it. And in life, our default teaching or instinct or like asleep unconscious instinct is to change your state by doing change your state by something else has to change first for me to feel this. That's how we're wired in daily life. And I said, you know, there's this ability to access this other way of thinking and practice it in super simple terms that is a total hack. And then ever, you know, I just envisioned people walking around so much more chilled out and satisfied. And I used to think satisfied meant like, oh, well, now I'm lazy and I'm not going to pursue anything. But no, it's the kind of it's the kind of satisfaction that's like the birthplace of your unique like hunger. And you're hungry in the right way, though, you're hungry from a place of abundance. You're not like hungry, like trying to chase from a place of lack because you're trying to depend on the world around you, changing first. And like energy is so powerful that, you know, so many of the people who follow you and, you know, women in general, like, I just am God love men. I'm going to go to the other side. love working with women. That's who I understand. And I just love it. And I just think, you know, everybody deserves to feel that kind of self-empowerment and satisfaction. And I think that, you know, the people who are in places of leadership and influence, the very best thing, you know, they can do. There's just so much leverage to be created from from being the most present and a line that you possibly can be. And you become a magnet. And then the more of a magnet you are, the more people you can influence. And this is so important, y'all, because the thing that you're also working with, this is something that I got in my, I might have already said this to you at some point. But one of the things I got in my coach training that really like made my head explode and is so foundational to, to, to, to believe growth, I believe in general, is like most of us approach the world through doing. It's like, I set a goal and I need to do x, y, and z. And then I'm going to create it. And like, regardless of how we feel or what's sort of coming up in the mean, like in the, in the middle in process period, we just sort of like fight through it and get and get there. And like, what you, you work, you still are working in doing. You still are like, clearly action. But it's being, it's like, there's, there's this basis of calibrating your state so to, so as to amplify your results and also just like have a different experience of life. Like it's also not just about like producing the thing and just being productive. It's like, are you actually, yeah, having the experience of your life that you want? And that's what you're giving people. Right. And I feel like that's just what everyone's craving in the first place. Like that, you know, I said this a little bit before that end result of like, because you, we've all experienced it where like we, however we get the thing, have it, hasn't it happened to you that you get it? And you're kind of like, ah, like there's something about it that feels thin or it's not what you thought it would be. Or, you know, we've, I've had that endlessly. Yeah. And that's because I believe the focus was too much on the thing to get. And we think that that thing is going to give us what we want. But, but this work is wholly about the true experience that's very, very accessible. Ah, of giving yourself whatever, and this is basically what I talked about in the TED talk as well, you can give yourself anything you need emotionally because what we want to, we want to feel certain ways, ultimately, we want to feel certain ways in our body. But, but I know for a fact, it's the whole entire practice of acting and it, these exercises achieve it. Like, you can enter the state that you're looking for in advance. And when you do, it doesn't take your way, you're desired to get the thing. But I think you get it, you get it faster, you get it with more ease. If you don't get it, it doesn't matter so much. Maybe it wasn't, but you will get the thing that's more aligned to you. And it will all be so obvious. Like, it's so clearly felt. So, that's what I'm just so obsessed with teaching people how to feel and how they can, they can be happy no matter what. And happy is one of those words. Happy is always like a flashlight word. It's always like double circle, double underline because like, God, you know, happiness, Jesus, you know, why do you, why do you think that is? It's because of the prescriptions of what happy is. And also, I think it's also because of all the times that we remember the thing when we got something that made us happy. And then very quickly, we weren't happy. Like, I think there's a distrust in the state of happiness and where it comes from and how to get it and how to keep it. And all of that is kind of irrelevant when you can cultivate that state already. It's seriously so powerful. Well, and, and I want to, I'm kind of curious. So, Amelia, if there's someone listening to this who's like, okay, I, I'm like, kind of, I'm first off, y'all, we're going to talk at the end about like where you can find Amelia and how you can work with her and like these workshops that you run and all of these things and like get on it. Absolutely, absolutely. Something that you want to get on. And if like, Sally is just listening to this and she's like sitting on her couch and she lives in like rural North Dakota or something. And she's like, probably not going to get like direct exposure to you, at least in the immediate future. And she's like, okay, how do I start to know, like, I guess part one, how do I start to notice when it's time for me to go inward and like get curious about what my flashlight words are or like that there might, this might, that I need to like go in and do the thing. Like, where do we get curious about when we might need this sort of work? I think, I think it's anytime that we feel kind of like our, we're running in circles or we're treading water and not getting anywhere. Or if there's a sense of certainly anxiety, frustration. And I really want, as I'm saying this, I want to be really clear, these emotions like anxiety, all the quote unquote undesirables, they are essential. Yeah. I feel like they're your best friends. And they are to be friend. They're not to be squashed. They're to be, they're to be incorporated and listened to because they will guide you, you know, everywhere. I always say these, these words. The ones we love the most and also the fight with, that's, that's the entire, that's the key to where you need to go. You need to follow that. And, you know, and not, and it really explore those words. Like, where your resistance is, is your total clue to that's where you're meant, that's where you are certainly meant to be. But it also means that you've taken something on around it that isn't yours. And you know it and you're mad, but you don't quite know how to shut it because everything's like ABCD, do XYZ. And it's, there's a disconnect between like, between that surface, surface world and, and our knowledge of ourselves. But we can always feel ourselves. And I think that's where the deep frustration comes from. Like, we know what's true in ourselves, but we don't always know how to access it because it feels well too big or whatever. And these are just little ways in. So, um, so yeah, I think, I think when you, anytime you just don't really feel present, um, is a good time. I don't know. My answer would be like, like every day, you can, you can speak what you feel right down what you feel like. See where it takes you, let everything and anything be okay. Um, um, be, uh, allow you to allow yourself to witness yourself and try to release story around it. Like, yeah, anyway, one of the other exercises is certainly just, just witnessing and speaking your emotions without, in a way back to back that we take it off the paper and then we put it out in the world. And that one's super vulnerable, but super powerful. I loved that one because you don't have time or the container itself doesn't have room for, you know, the stories around what you're, what you've gotten side as you speak, something out loud to a group of people or to yourself looking in yourself in the eyes. It's like, it's dropping, it's dropping all the narrative that you can best really feel as true or false. Like, you actually can tell the difference between what's the false narrative and you can actually let it go in our room together. And then you can actually see your specific way forward. And you feel, you feel it. But it's just, it's everybody, I just am so, everybody is such a powerful human being, full of so much potential and the pathway to that person feeling fulfilled and satisfied and in touch with what they want. This helps you figure out what you even want. Right. Well, that's someone, that's people's one of their biggest frustrations of all. Like, I don't know what I want. Or if I do know what I want, I don't know why or I don't know how, you know, and this, this just helps get to the core of all of that to just like see in micro movements the fricking way forward. Well, and it's, I love what you said too, because there are two things. One is like, when you feel resistance in your body, that's like a big red flag. And that, but then I also love what you said around. This isn't just when something's wrong or like, it's just, you're constantly curious about how you're showing up in your relationship to the thing that you're trying to create. And like, that is sort of an access point into, well, and also like Amelia, like you, you're cultivating what I'm really present to like you cultivate, you cultivate immersive experiences and support people in unpacking these things so that they can then get clear on what the actual action steps are. And it is very much like going down the rabbit hole with you. And so I thank you so much for being so generous here in like showing us what it's like to go down the rabbit hole. And, and like what you, having gone through it, it really is. incredibly transformative. And I'm curious for you, Amelia. So like, when you this idea of calibrating your emotional state to create the results that you want, if I'm, so Sally's in North Dakota, I don't know why I've chosen Sally in North Dakota. I love Sally. I love Sally. Sally's in North Dakota. And she's like, okay, cool. So one avenue is to like, to go through this this exercise of flashlight words and some of these other things that you've curated, which y'all like plus one go do that. And I'm curious like for you in your life, because you're also so good at this. Like I've seen you do it. I've watched you move through the world in this in this way. And I'm like, what what have been some of the things that you've taken on practice wise and just in your own life to calibrate your own emotional state with where you want to go? Like what does that look like? Well, it's interesting. I, you know, I've been doing, especially one of these exercises in rehearsal for years and years, like in acting class to warm up. But what really also in tandem made the rubber hit the road was my meditation practice. And I got really on board. I tried meditation many, many times from my, from my previous like a type self that wanted results constantly. Like, I had no satisfaction with like process or result, except I did on stage. But like you know, like you said before, there was a disconnect between like, I was leaving those skills up on stage and then coming back to my life and being like super unsatisfied and like watching what wasn't happening when and all this stuff, which is great. I love that part of the story because whatever. But the meditation practice I got on board with that. And really it was Abraham Hicks who convinced me that meditation was the way to go. And then it's because of, it's because of her that I just did like 15 minutes white noise. And with the idea of releasing resistance. And I just did it. I did it and did it. And it became a very, very rich experience, very embodied experience that I don't go a day without now. And I think you know, there's so many ways into just making enough space so that your spirit just rises up. I think, you know, it's just how can you find the ways to let go enough everywhere of sound, of things we hold on to, of judgments, of thoughts in a way that you detach enough that you can just observe those things. But in that space rises up you. And all the guidance you could possibly want. And it's not even, you know, I guess some people can hear things come through, but it's, it's, it's an emotional soul experience of just like listening. So a lot of this work is about just creating enough space. Because if we, if we, if we can release enough resistance and create enough space, that, that stuff is there like our, you know, our higher inner self is always there just waiting to like get enough space to be let in, let in enough and give us, you know, whatever information we're willing to, to hear. And it's that, it's that sense of calm. And it's that sense that we try to achieve of, oh, a lot less matters than I thought. Like, you know, I, I was able to kind of completely change my modality from this person who just like, I couldn't stop. I wouldn't stop like all I did was do like, I did like 8,000 things a day. And I had like all these jobs and this and that. And it's true that motherhood was a very forceful stop to that clock. Like a very, very the most painful adjustment ever to the way I was used to operating. It's like getting like, you know, your legs cut off when you're a marathoner. And like you had to, and I could say this about walk down to like you had to stop. You had to sit there. You, you had to operate on no sleep. Like you had to tap into your deepest reserves. But you know, it doesn't always have to be big, big things that allow that. But sometimes I'm grateful for those times, you know, in life that help, help me to when I do, you know, crack the window enough in myself, it helps to enhance it. What comes next even more. And I noticed my favorite thing is that I completely changed my inner world. I'm so much calmer. I'm so I do so much less. But as much if not more happens in quotes as before, which proves to me that the other mode is so much spinning wheels. And I think when I'm younger and I'm just like, that's more sad. I was satisfied by that at the time. But that, you know, that wasn't, you know, meant to last. And it's not. It's not a whole as whole of a place. You know, in myself, that's possible now. Isn't that so wild? How it's like, there are these big life events that it's like motherhood, COVID. I don't know for some people, it's injuries or health stuff or a breakup or just like these things that happen that sometimes our relationship, I notice myself when a lot of these things happen, I'm like, you know, what the heck man? Like it's, it's a, it feels like a smack in the face or something, you know, it doesn't, or sometimes like in the past, I can look at my relationships to those things. And I remember being very resistant to them. And they can be these huge disruptors and inject so much change into our lives at moments that we need it. And the ingredient that I heard you really emphasize that I want to like blast from the rooftops in this conversation is this idea of releasing resistance and surrender. Like, yes, like when that and look, I want to be sensitive here, like things like COVID, you know, that there were, the lives lost and like it's very serious things and our experience of them in relationship to them is almost as important as like in terms of our own health and well-being and ability to allow these really dark moments to work their magic on us so that we can go like receive the medicine that's in them because there's medicine in everything. Right. Right. But to get medicine, there's like we're in a dualistic physical world, right. It's like the medicine will come because we've also allowed the the sickness to come up or the, you know, the all the held stuff. But yeah, that growth is often forced. It's like patterned interrupts, right. Yeah. But that's why the greatest gift you can allow and it's very, very hard is allowing the experience. I think, you know, the most physical experience of this for me was of this embodiment of this that you do emotionally, the challenges to do in emotional matters was childbirth. It's like the amount of surrender involved in that is stunning. It's like your only job is actually, I always thought, oh, you know, you're supposed to make this happen. Like you're doing it. It's like you're not doing it. Your body is doing it and you better get out of the way. And I had specific instances throughout that process, many of times of which I thought I was going to die had unmedicated births twice. I am, I tried to get involved sometimes and it was very clearly not working. Like, like the pain would get worse, things would slow down because I was trying to like control it. I was trying to fight the pain. I was trying to deal too much and it's like every time, you know, luckily I know too from from lots of physical acting work I've done or just the process of of like kind of channeling something else to go through you and directing it. I know how to let go in that way. And it's like when I did that, birth would proceed. And sometimes it would speed up the pain, but then that meant that I'd get to the other side faster. But like I had no idea. I had no idea that the number one job was surrender and it was the hardest thing to surrender because the pain is just insane. So I think that that analogy can be totally applied whether or not you've given birth. That is the same kind of dance with an emotionally traumatic event. Yeah, but it's it's a practice. It's like being present in surrender is I think one of the most. It's soulful dances that you can do. It's almost like, why I would imagine that spirit wants to be in a body. Like to experience that kind of duality and growth moment. - You just made my head completely explode. I've never given birth. So I've, but you're right 'cause it looks from out here, it looks like this, you're like fighting and you're pushing and you're breathing and it's the hardest thing you've ever done. And it's really wild actually having such a concrete example of like a place where effort and pain or like maybe effort is the wrong word, but it's like you're still pushing, but your body is doing it and you're surrendering at the same time, which is such a beautiful metaphor. - Right, and there's a key moment. So it makes you trust process, right? And it makes you trust forces of the world. Like a force of the world is happening through you, which is the case every day and every moment actually. And it's like, it's like there was a very specific time that it was my job. Like, okay, now we need you. Now you push, guess what? Everything is finally aligned through your radical presence and allowance. And now like you, you're on push. It's your turn act now. And then without you and then that's what makes, it's like this divine partnership of birthing something. And I think this is the case with anything, any state that you want, any place you're moving to. Like this is the dance that actually occurs. And if you're listening enough, you know when, like it's very clear when it's, when it's you're allowing and it's very clear when it's your turn to like drive. And then you do it and it works beautifully because you know when to engage like your, your juice. - Oh my God, it's, that is so, that's like the creative process of life. Like that's exactly, and it's, and that, that image that you just drew of, it's like you, the, you know when it's time for you to push. And it's a shift from, oh, like you thought you were gonna get up here and just push the whole time. Like when we do that, we do that with like, I'm guilty of that, like the creation of things, the planning of things, the control that we bring to the, the orchestration of our lives. And it's like we're sitting there in birth and we're pushing and the duel is going like, honey, it's not pushing yet. - Yep. - And are you listening? And what I love about like what you're talking about is that so much of what you do in your work and in your own practice is, is are you creating space and presence to slow down? And here when the duelo whispers in your ear and says, babe, you're on. Go. - Yeah. - Yep. - Holy shit Amelia, I'm like, I'm, I, this is like, I'm, I'm impacted by this conversation. - I am too. I had no idea we were gonna go this way. And I think it's, I'm massively impacted with this as well. It helps me to remember that big time, like I'm getting emotional because I haven't even thought about that for a while, but it's, I'm so in love with analogies. And I think any, any issue we're having or struggle, there's always the perfect analogy actually in nature. And like, birth is nature and the seasons are nature. Like all we have to do is literally look to what the planet that we live on is doing and what all life is doing on its own. Supremely led, like we're the vessel. And if we can be present in our vessel, we can allow what's like, we can allow what's supposed to come through us and we will know what's not ours to bring into that story. Like, and who cares about details? Like you're living in your, in your divinity. And nothing anybody else has going on has to belong to you at all. It's like water of a duck's back. Sometimes it's not, that's the other beauty. You're in and out of this all the time. It's not like you like achieve this and then you're all, you're good. Like no way. It's a practice of course. And you want all the mess. Like, but I just want people to know how to navigate like any mess and also celebrate any mess. Because without the mess, like we would have nothing to do. We'd be bored. It's so true. We came here in so many ways. I think we came here for it like to have the full spectrum of experiences and it's, oh my gosh, it's so true. Well, Amelia, this is like, I'm going to be noodling on this for a while. Me too. I'd love to ask you some. I've been creating the practice of, I'm calling this rapid-ish fired questions. Yeah. For the end, because it might open another door. But are you ready to, are you open to some questions? Yes. Yes. So I'm committed to be rapid-ish. Rapid-ish. Because we're also committed to slowness here. Yeah. That's true. That's true. And stillness. But Amelia, for you, like, how do you define leadership? I really define that as putting on your mask first, like a plain analogy. Putting on your mask first. So that you arrive as whole as possible for other people. And part of that is walking the walk of whatever it is that you're teaching. You're practicing it. You're showing up with a full cup. And then you can be what you need to be for the other people that you're affecting. It's so good. I love that metaphor, too. It's the-- for you all who, like, when you're on a plane, when they say, like, make sure you put your own oxygen mask on before helping other people, like making sure that you're fully sourced. I love that metaphor. It's awesome. And then the integrity of that is so big and important. And are you-- It is big. --with what you're putting out into the world. Right. And it's something I used to struggle with, actually. I'm a recovering semi-recovered empath. And it's like, I used to just-- I never used to do that. I always was just like, everybody else. Everybody else all the time. Me last. So that's been a good learning curve as well. And you can feel the difference. What's the-- you've done a lot of different-- you've been super committed to your own journey and your own growth and healing. And I've been really lucky in just like being alongside you on that journey. But for you, what's been the most transformative experience or teacher or modality, like if you were to kind of toot the horn of some of like a particular modality, what's the thing that you'd really want to put on blast year? Gosh, I think I would have to say my meditation journey-- I'd have to say the meditation journey and following the people who are really speaking about laws of attraction and laws of the universe from many different standpoints. I like neuroscience standpoints and the people who channel. I think the people who are teaching consciousness. Yeah. You're also Amelia is such an awesome friend to have because so often in the morning, I'll wake up and Amelia will send me an Abraham Hicks talk or something on YouTube that I can listen to first thing in the morning and that completely I get out of bed like, whoa, we're ready to go. And it's because you're kind of the queen of that and using meditation and intentional consciousness practices. Yes. I think getting words in your head, first thing in the morning all the time, anytime. If your thoughts aren't working so well for you, you train your mind to think in higher circles in just in positive terms, what you're in taking into yourself orally and visually, completely, it becomes-- it's a focus point. Your focus is on it. It's affecting you. It changes you. So you can-- lots of times we see things that we don't want to see or-- or I'm not saying bury your head in the sand. But make sure that you're putting straight into your brain messages that help you be where you want to be. So true. Like good stuff and good stuff out, garbage in, garbage out. Like that's the-- Yeah. What's the-- so when you think about the kind of the type of leader that our next generation needs, what's the medicine that you wish that you could offer them or the thing that you would like to see more of in leaders in the world? I think liberation from outer-- so much outer awareness. My word for 2023 is liberation. So I think any sense of needing to perform. And so in releasing that, then being able to perform to a more divine degree in real service, instead of maybe trying to-- I guess I'm thinking of people who are often in media. Like the challenge of letting go of the-- outside in perception so that they can really show up and be, have a level of connectedness. And I want the leaders in the world just to be able to midwife like the self-leadership in everybody that they work with first and foremost. I don't think we're, I don't think we're all meant to lead others like in a grand sense like to lead the masses, right? But, but I do think we're all meant to lead our own selves and find and fulfill the purpose that we came to live out. And ironically, I think if we, if we all really do that, then we'll always end up leading others just in pure example, in pure frequency. It's like a leadership frequency. Oh my god, I love that. Like leader in being a leader in terms of the frequency that you bring is as important as all of the other stuff. Yeah. Oh Amelia, where can listeners find you online? Like if they're looking to get more of all, more of you, where can they do that? Absolutely. My YouTube channel has has my TEDx and other published talks. And Instagram is my favorite social media platform. So I really am the most. And then my website, Amelia Randolph Campbell.com. We'll put, we'll put all that stuff in the show notes. You also, if you're grabbing a pen, trying to scribble that down really quickly, just check the show notes. And do you have any workshops or trainings or experiences coming up that where people can get more of this type of work? So my next official workshop in New York is in is a pending date. But I do, I do often, you know, speak one on one with people and I will curate a workshop and intimate workshop. They're generally eight to 10 people. I'll curate a workshop around that person's group of friends or team or group of clients. And I can come in for like a two hour kind of interactive keynote or one of my five, six hour workshop, workshop days. And I can also speak at people's, you know, companies and to my keynote that way. More large, large scale form. That's awesome. So, so y'all, if this is something that, if this is a conversation that's inspiring to you, if you'd like more of Amelia, absolutely reach out to her. She's got a lot of like a lot of different opportunities and probably she'll be able to point you in the direction of what would be a fit for you. And Amelia, just thank you so much for taking the time. Even just hearing your like process through, I just got super president this conversation to how much is happening in your in your brain at any given moment that's related to all of this, this work that you're bringing out into the world and just it's such a gift for you to share it with us. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you, Lauren. I've been so honored to be on this podcast. You are, you are a hero of mine, a dear friend and a hero and I massively look up to you and share a sure work and everything that you bring to the world. So, and in this conversation, I learned so much more about my own work and I had my own revelations and I just think it's just the most precious gift to get that opportunity and it's because I'm talking to you, you know, in real time and that's what I love about connecting with community. What you create together is is by far better than than just you by yourself. So, just sound bites everywhere. Amelia, thank you so much. Thank you so much everyone. We'll catch you for the next episode and see you soon. you