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off you guys at simply safe.com slash stuff plus when you order write in our show name and the how did you hear about a survey to let them know that we sent you don't forget there's no safe like simply safe my my and welcome to my favorite murder that's georgia hard start that's karen kill gareth and we're just casually podcasting for your entertainment can you see that i have a nap crease in my face in the face as i'm podcasting on netflix is it a vertical or horizontal it's what's that way horizontal thank you like the horizon like the horizon it's as wide as the horizon across your cheek that's how together my shit is um is that i just show up with a fucking nap crease i mean i was literally at sephora seven minutes before this show started in a kind of wild attempt to like maybe this will help maybe this lipstick will solve it absolutely and i feel like i need to just say a public generalized apology to people who work at sephora i couldn't be ruder really i don't want to be rude at all i want to look at lipstick i want to touch foundation i want to see all the new things that all my friends on the internet talk about and i want to interact with them and i don't want to interact with anybody else how come though when you need help you can't find anybody is this a stand-up routine this is the funniest stand-up routine we've ever written on this show but then when you ask them for help then they use their brushes on you and i don't want your brushes on my face you've got to find the person that works there and for me it's usually the woman that's closer to my age yeah for sure completely and she's always kind of looking at me like almost afraid that you know still don't need help but if i do absolutely that's the person i'm going to where it's like hey help me fix this this and that it's like when you see those videos of influencers going tips that made me look as good as i did in my 20s in my 30s and you're like it's fucking collagen bitch and you it's not there's no tip you're not special yet no you haven't hacked anything tell me when you're 59 chronological age you're just doing it's the thing like when i used to love to mouth off about in my 30s of like i would never get plastic surgery and it's like correct 30 year old you would never get plastic surgery just wait till 55 year old you shows up and in fact i wish i had gotten it in my 30s so i could have all that time to look fucking great the pov that you have at any time in life is simply just the information you've gotten up until that point 100 because i know there's some chick who is talking about your botox yes always so i will so we will shut up and that's why i'm not talking about our silent true crime podcast for the rest um you know what is maybe going to help me is 55 days without alcohol really beauty treatment i mean for real your skin is glowing thank you you really can't see it how does it feel great it's good it's i feel i have less anxiety as my therapist told me for the past 10 years i would less anxiety depression's the same but that's just me but it's a slow build it's nothing if it worked immediately everyone would do totally totally well that's an adventure that's like something new yeah it does feel like i'm actually like excited for the 60 days and the 90 days and the year knock wood and what about you what's up that's nice me i'm just tracking your sobriety you've got an app track your friend's sobriety i don't know i don't know about her today what if she doesn't do it today god can you imagine i mean here's the thing yeah just have fun with it yeah just have fun i have a curiosity which i think is smart important in life yeah that's new corner shit that's yeah was there something that that like inspired you in a positive way you want to talk about yeah i mean every quit lit book every quit memoir that i've read by a chick that's just like me or totally not like me has helped me so much over the 10 years that i've been listening and reading them yeah and over and over and over again so right just kind of and then going to italy and drinking every fucking day with every meal and then turning 46 while i was there i was like all right let's not wait until it's dire yes let's do and i saw something that was like just one in one of those books that said i don't want to die an addict and i was like whoa that hit me and both my siblings have quit alcohol which i'm so impressed with and and competing with at all times always you will not beat me competitive sobriety that's the way to go thing that's your new genre and you know what else i did i've gamified it in my calendar every day at night when i haven't had a drink i get a purple day yeah or whatever your favorite color is and then you see them all in a row it's exciting yeah it's like a material because i think our brains have a tendency to minimize real serious accomplishments yeah and always be focusing on the lack or the other right instead of like hooray for me i did this thing totally so hooray for you yeah you did a thing i did i just thought it was a regular thursday but we're getting real and deep on this show deep and disgusting what uh speaking of which we've got a network good one it's called exactly right media correct here are some highlights this week on bananas kurt and scotty are joined by christine schieffer host of beach to sandy water podcast they all talk about the usual humanoid robots working at a school in new york a pennsylvania man who briefly was the world's first quadrillionaire what and the guy who hiked six miles after impaling himself at the pole man and speaking of scotty landis he is the guest this week on dear movies i love you millie and casey talk about his area of expertise which is actors playing sports terribly plus they review the 1998 blockbuster armageddon also i don't know if scotty landis is the screenwriter for the movie ma if you like that horror movie that was scotty's idea so him being on dear movies i love you it's so perfect perfect then over on the knife hannah and patia are joined by our very own paul holes there's a lot of cross-pollinization happening on the network paul cross-pollinization oh no you did it it's like i'm doing it and i don't know i'm doing it so paul goes on the knife to discuss his audio book finding the lost girls which is all about the investigation of the serial killer joseph nasso which we did cover on this show and paul's ongoing effort to identify the victims of those murders then breaking news over on brief recess this is all over the instagrams i'm so excited if you haven't heard michael foot the fucking just darling of all darlings is going to be on this new coming season of the traitors new blood so this week he and melissa answer all your questions about that plus they cover recent election results a viral ice video and cash patel's announcement of an indictment involving the southern poverty law center where michael used to work yeah there's lots of fucking crazy good stuff happening over there i love brief recess it's one of my favorites of the new shows that we have right now melissa of course genius definitely but michael is the kind of person who can be an immigration lawyer in new york city for real yeah be able to tick talk about it in a way that makes people love and support him totally and then do this podcast and then go on traitors it's like i don't understand he does it all he's in his 30s is that true yeah we used to do that we used to Defend the innocent. We used to do things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was us. You know, back in our 30s. That was us. We could have. Listen, we have done a lot of things. Taking nothing away from Michael Foote. No, no, of course. But we ourselves, we've done things, and we actually make podcasts where we remember the things that we've done. I've done so many things in my 30s. Yeah. So we're good. A lot of them take place in Rewind with Karen and Georgia, which is our show. Hey, look at you. This week, right? I was doing a little bridge. We recap episode 110 this week. It's our live show in Columbus, and during that show, we give out a book called Creative Cooking with Aluminum Foil. And it turns out our writer, Alison Agosti, found a copy for us to look at and hold in our hands once again. Look at that meat substance on the cover of it. It's a shank of some sort. It kind of is like you think at first glance that that is a chicken, but then you look at the shape and you're like, that's a starfish. Yeah. What? There's a stein of warm beer. There's some kind of shredded mayonnaise-based salad. And then here is, thankfully, Alison bookmarked it, tuna tempties. Yes. Which sounds so disgusting. And does involve dill relish. Here's one for you. It's called Wait-A-While Potatoes. I'm not fucking making that up. That's where you throw them in the oven for eight hours until the kids come home. Then you just take a couple of uppers, vacuum. Vacuum. A whole house. I love that we're both on vacuum. So, yeah, Rewind with Karen and Georgia. That's really fun. You guys should check it out if you haven't. Fucking my favorite murder all week long. God, just go inside the frame and inside the frame. That's right. In the merch corner, we still have some Wheat Woo whistles available. I've never, have we? I don't think we ever have. Prepare, Aristotle. And these are just great whistles to have on your key chain. And the proceeds benefit the National Immigration Law Center. So grab yours while they still last. at exactlyrightstore.com. We should send one to Michael Foote. We will, absolutely. Here's the quietest this can be. Okay. As someone who can't whistle. And it goes up from there. Which is like one of my great shames in life. As it should be. I know. I hope that doesn't knock you off the wagon. I appreciate this. You know how many dogs haven't come to me because I couldn't whistle at them? We will. We will. There's your answer. That's right. Okay. I hope that knocks you off the wagon. Karen Marie Kilgara. Yes. You could not. It's just for the show. It's just for content. Okay. Because I'll fucking do it. Because I'll fucking now. I'll go now. What pushed you over the edge? Karen made me do it. I had to walk down under the overpass and go to the secret bar everyone goes to at this office. Georgia goes first. That's me. What are you doing? Oh. They're going to spray me in the face with that shit. We put this on before every show and I forgot. Oh, shit. That's why it sucked so bad this whole time. Yes. That's why it's not working. Oh. Let's start over. It's just 98 degrees outside with a hot wind blowing and so moisture. A hot like Burbank like smoggy airport wind. Yes. So every just everything feels like it's got a little like thin layer of asphalt. Yeah. On it. It's a thick gritty wind that blows today. America in Burbank. In beautiful Burbank where there isn't a tree in sight except for those ones that are on the other side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no Wi-Fi trees. Oh, yeah. Let's get serious. Let's start talking about the things that people are actually here to hear about. True crime. True crime. Allora, Georgia. Speaking of gritty cities that are covered in asphalt, today we are in Atlanta, Georgia. I really want to make a joke about how if you're going to talk gritty cities, you must be talking about Philadelphia. But that's kind of a sports reference. Oh, I don't get it. You know, gritty, the big mascot. Oh, that one. Is that a real good one? Yeah, he's fun. He's from Philadelphia, right? Yeah. He has a scrunchie as a belly button. That is facts to know about Philly. This whole production has gone off the rails. Do we have a photo of a scrunchie? Okay. This is a serious part. That's right. Today's story is about a serial killer in the 80s. And the main sources for the story is reporting from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the rest can be found in our show notes. So I'm just going to get into it. So it's the mid-80s and we're in Atlanta, Georgia. Crime in Atlanta, Georgia. Crime in Atlanta at this time is bad. We've got high violent crime rates. There's urban decay. Of course, the impact of the crack cocaine epidemic can't be understated. Statistics ranked Atlanta among the top major U.S. cities for violent crime, including robbery, aggravated assault, and homicide. Just a couple years before this story takes place in 1982, the Atlanta child murders were at least 29 black children, teens, and young adults, mostly boys, were reported. One murdered or went missing during a two-year spree and that had finally been allegedly solved by police who had been very slow to act on this spree and they tied all the murders together and tried one man on two of the cases. Of course, we've talked about the podcast Atlanta Monster before. Check that out if you want to hear more about it from our friend Payne Lindsey. And season two of Mindhunter, which actually centers those black mothers that had to fight and fight and fight. They're the reason. It's to be heard. It's really powerful and amazing. Yeah, there's a really great documentary about it as well. So one telling fact that I found while researching Atlanta back then and what it was like and how not safe it was is that the residents had a trend of nicknaming their neighborhood Kroger stores the way we have like rock and roll Ralphs in Hollywood and hipster Ralphs for, you know, the neighborhood grocery stores. So those are Kroger grocery stores. So there's a disco Kroger, a kosher Kroger because it's in the kosher neighborhood that's also nicknamed Kroger grocery stores. A stinky Kroger, a gay Kroger, which is in the gay town. Yeah. And also there was a Kroger in the Ponce Highland area that's been known for decades and is still known for good reason as Murder Kroger. Whoa. It's just a murder Kroger. Wow. And yes, they have merch. Not them, but there is merch for murder. Some smart neighbor was like, you know what is needed here. Yeah. And also I want to make a note. I want to cover Murder Kroger because it's a story on its own. You're not about to do that? No. Don't waste my time. Sorry. God, no. Shit. Okay, sorry. You'll do it. You'll do it. I'll definitely do it sometime. But this story isn't about that. Today's story is about a serial killer in the 80s in Atlanta who went under the radar. Yet another one. In part because his victims came from a marginalized community again. And it took two Atlanta homicide detectives also from marginalized communities to put together the pieces and realize they were looking for a serial killer. This is a story of Michael, Terry and the two detectives who tracked him down. Wow. Not a cold case. So this brings us to October of 1986 where two homicide detectives have each been assigned a separate case. The detectives are Sheila Cumberworth who had been one of the first three female homicide detectives in Atlanta when she was promoted four years earlier. And then also Marcellus Head who had been in homicide for six and a half years. So Sheila's 39 and Marcellus is 43. And before becoming police officers, you know, they're a little older. Each had had other careers. Sheila had been a key punch operator at a Frito-Lay factory and Marcellus had been a bus driver in Cleveland, but both had moved to Atlanta in search of warmer weather. Sheila lives with her sister and her 16-year-old niece and Marcellus is married and has an 11-year-old son. So here's a photo of the two of them. But they don't work together just yet in this story. It's mentioned in stories about this case that Sheila had been one of the first female homicide detectives in the city. But other than that, the fact that she's a woman and Marcellus is Black doesn't seem to come up very much. Atlanta had hired its first Black police officers 40 years earlier, though their roles were severely restricted and at times a large proportion of Atlanta police officers had been members of the KKK. By the 80s, the Atlanta police force has more Black officers who have the same responsibilities as their white colleagues. But an internal investigation done right around this time shows that the department is deeply divided along racial lines. So it seems like relevant to mention this as it is these two officers specifically who are going to connect the dots in a rash of murders in which the victims are from a marginalized community. So by this point, Sheila and Marcellus would both be considered fairly experienced homicide detectives. And at first, their respective cases are upsetting, but not particularly out of the norm for Atlanta at the time. In each case, the young victim, both of their young victims, is a Black man and had worked as a sex worker They had basically identified as street hustlers. That point of view is so from the patriarchy, like, uh, these sex workers try to hustle me out of my money that I am exploiting. They're not tricking you into paying for sex work. You started it, sir. Truly. So at first, Sheila and Marcellus are each individually investigating these cases without knowing any of the bigger picture about what anyone else is working on. So separately, as I've said. So the most recent victim had been discovered on October 20th. His name is Daryl O. Williams and he's a drifter and just 20 years old. He had been found in an abandoned apartment building on Mason-Turner Road, just west of downtown Atlanta. Prior to that, the body of a 30-year-old man named George Willingham had been discovered in a vacant field just east of downtown off Ponce de Leon Avenue. Both men had been shot in the back of the head. George Willingham also had three knife wounds. A few days after the discovery of Daryl's body, the homicide the Homicide Division comes together for a meeting, where all pending cases are discussed. And this is where Sheila and Marcellus are each presenting their own cases and they realize that there's a lot of similarities between their cases. And then as they compare notes with their colleagues, they realize that there are other cases that are very similar to the ones they have that have come up in the past year. In fact, Daryl's body had been found pretty much just a few steps away from where another young man's body had been discovered in December of 1985, almost a year earlier. So after reviewing the cases, Marcellus and Sheila find a total of six cases they believe to be linked. Four of- God, that feeling of just like you keep on finding. Adding, adding. Keep on finding. And that might like not even be all of them for all they know, you know? So four out of the six victims had been shot and two had been stabbed. Five out of the six had been found undressed from the waist down. All six had been young black male sex workers. Most had been discovered in areas where at least one other body had also been found. Marcellus and Sheila get permission from their boss to take on all six cases between the two of them. And this is, you know, when I was doing this research and kind of refreshing my knowledge of the Atlanta child killers, part of the fucking huge, horrible issue of that case is it took so long and so many victims for the police to actually even say that it had anything to do with a murderer or not kind of blaming the victims before they even would look into these cases. And saying they're related in any way. So I think at this point, and the city got a lot of flack for that, you know, correctly. So I think at this point they were like, go ahead. We don't need this. Make your connections. Yeah. Let us know what you think is going on. Yeah. And they're, you know, trying to get tourists and business to come to their town. They want this out of the way. 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The second known victim had been discovered about a week later on December 14th. His name is Curtis Lee Brown, and he was 21, and his girlfriend had filed a missing persons report. He was discovered in Dean Rusk Park, which has a big pond and wooded areas and is southwest of downtown, right next to the Moore House, college campus. The third and fourth victims had been killed about three weeks apart from one another, but both in the same location. Their names are Alvin George and Jason McCauley. Alvin had been 31, and Jason had just been 18 years old. Alvin's body is discovered on March 20th, 1986, and Jason's body is discovered on April 6th. And they're both discovered in the same alleyway behind the same apartment building on Kensaw Avenue. And it's sometimes described as an apartment building, it seems more like a boarding house. It's described as that as well. It's basically a house with a bunch of rooms, and they're rented individually. There's bathrooms and kitchen is shared. So about six months passed until Daryl and George are killed, and those were the cases that had been initially assigned to Sheila and Marcellus. And as they dig into these cases, they realized that Daryl and George had been killed with the same gun. And Richard and Curtis, the first and second victims, had been killed with a different gun than the one used in the most recent murders, but had likely been killed with a different gun. And Richard and Curtis had likely been the same weapon in both of those cases. Alvin and Jason, the two found behind the boarding house, had been stabbed. So unfortunately, there's not much information in the news articles about who these victims were and about their families. We mostly just know that they were young Black men who were alleged sex workers. But as Marcellus and Sheila start to talk to people who knew them, they realize that even though all these men were discovered in different parts of the city, they all tended to initially meet clients in two specific areas, either by Georgia bathrooms or near the intersection of Ashby Street and Martin Luther King Drive, which I think is just, you know, neighborhoods for that kind of activity. So Sheila and Marcellus start interviewing witnesses in these two areas. They ask about who these men had been last seen talking to and who came around often. And potential witnesses describe seeing an overweight, stocky Black male known only as Mike as the last man they saw with each respective victim. So they find out that his name is Michael Terry. He's 26. He's six years old and works at a local tire shop. He's known to be quiet and to not approach people, but he just hangs out. And then when the street hustlers approach him, then he'll often accept. Sheila and Marcellus decide he's worth tracking down. And when they look up his address, they realize he lives in the boarding house in front of the alley where Alvin and Jason's bodies had been found. That's not good. No. That's not a good sign. And I wonder if this case would have been more well-known if it had lasted longer, if it had gone cold. But these two, two incredible detectives come in, quickly put it all together. They do what we wish everyone could and would do. If only it could be this clear for people and fast. Exactly. Marcellus later tells reporters, We got the name and a photograph and we had two victims in the backyard at the rooming house and that was too big of a coincidence. End quote. It is enough to get two warrants, one for Terry's arrest and one to search his room at the boarding house. And there they find multiple guns. The neighbors, the neighbors say that Michael almost always carried a firearm. I don't know if that's legal or illegal back then. I'm guessing it's legal in Atlanta in the 80s. Yeah, maybe. Right. But still notable. And one. Sounds like it was necessary. Right. I mean. One says, quote, he didn't even go downstairs to the kitchen without his gun. Oh. End quote. Other than this one unsettling habit, neighbors say that Terry appears to be pretty quiet, a.k.a. a, quote, strange loner. Little is known about his personal life, but after dropping out of 10th grade, Terry evidently began committing small crimes, amassing convictions for burglary, robbery, simple battery, aggravated assault, and carrying an unlicensed firearm. Michael Terry is arrested at his job on Wednesday, November 26th. And shortly after his arrest, he confesses to all six murders. Wow. Just like that. Though he claims that he murdered these young men due to arguments over money, and they weren't premeditated. Though investigators think this is unlikely to be the case. Six people? Yeah. In a year? No, sir. We don't accept that reasoning. That's very strange. And given Michael Terry's large size and his victim's smaller build, it seems unlikely that they would have messed with him in the first place. Or physically been that threatening to him. Exactly. Right. Terry's charged with all six murders. He's tried for the killings of Richard Williams, Curtis Brown, and George Willingham, which I guess the prosecutors wanted to save the other convictions in case he ever got bail or, you know, was let out. Michael Terry then pleads guilty to the rest of the murders and is serving multiple lives. life sentences. So Detective Sheila Cumberworth works for the Atlanta Police Department for about another 10 years after this, having served a total of 27 years in the department. She dies at the age of 65 in 2021. Detective Marcellus Head also has a long career in the Atlanta Police Department and eventually works as the mayor's personal security officer. Here's a photo of him as an older man. So cute. That guy is buying a round of drinks at the pizza parlor, at karaoke or something. And you hope he starts telling you a story of his past. He passes away, unfortunately, in 2024 at the age of 83. And then I checked her email or my favorite murder at Gmail email to see if anyone had written in about this. One person had named Selena. We had dozens of emails about murder Kroger. Oh, really? Yes. Really? People wanted us to know about murder Kroger. Wow. But only one about this case. And it's from a murderino named Selena. And part of her email just reads, says, quote, It's the 1980s in the then U.S. murder capital of Atlanta, Georgia. My dad's cousin has decided he wants to go back to college to be a psychiatrist. Due to the price, though, he needed to find a job first to save up money. With some support from old professors and friends, he was able to snatch up a job working at Georgia's forensic crime lab. In his time there, he helped out on a lot of cases, but none shook him more like the string of rapes and murders between 1985 and 86. Thanks to some fantastic work, he's been able to the Georgia crime lab. And it says, wink, wink. They were able to tie the murders of Williams to a third murder using ballistics. So tying those bullets together is this chick's fucking cousin, her dad's cousin. Oh, wow. Yeah. My dad's cousin, as a gay man living in Atlanta at the time, really fixated on this case. He took it personally and helped work on matching the forensic evidence. He grew up at a time when gay bars had to black out their windows and hire security to protect themselves from assholes. In the AIDS crisis of the 1980s, he wanted to work medicine. Murderers like Terry reminded him of the very danger life posed. In the end, he found that the people focused more on the sexuality of Terry than the fact that he was some sexual sadist who was hurting real victims who were gay. Yeah. End quote. And that is the story of the two Atlanta homicide detectives who brought down serial killer Michael Terry. Wow. Right? I found this email today. That Gmail contains multitudes. And true treasure. Yeah. Thank you, Selena, for writing that in. And thank you, Georgia, for doing the murder Kroger story that you will be doing in an upcoming episode. Stay tuned. Also, you have to do all nicknamed grocery stores. From now on. Not just that. I want to know what disco, I think Disco Kroger has a disco ball. Yeah. I've heard. Or just the place everyone goes after hours. I heard that one too, but I heard they also have a disco ball. Let us know. Oh, they literally do have disco ball. Oh, that's hilarious. I love to get to know a town through like that. That's the point. And that's like, you know, those videos people make of like how I think I'm going to be at a party and it's all fun and it's how I really am. And it's Mom Dami to talking about Netanyahu. I want mine is where are you from? Oh, Atlanta. So did you know about the Atlanta serial killer? Like just immediately. Have you been to murder Kroger? Yeah, exactly. That's what we're like at parties. That's what we think we're like. But especially sober. We're fucking not. No. Now you get to go. And here's the thing. You've built this nice true crime wall for yourself. Yeah. Then now you get to just reside solely and comfortably on the other side of people know this about you. Right. It's just who you are. There's no more anxiety. No one can be like, can you stop talking about that? Actually, no. No. It's my literal career. Go get me a mocktail. No. Make this party more fun for me, please. Go get me drugs because it's just alcohol. Do the work. I'll do the drugs. You're California sober. I am. Exactly. You know what I'm going to say to you about that one is so satisfying. The inverse of a cold case story. Right. A fast solve story. Yeah. 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Acorns advisors, LLC and SEC registered investment advisor. Few important disclosures. Well, we're going to go a little very much in a different direction. A little very much because we're going to go all the way back to 1972. And this is a story about a respected 48-year-old Mexican anthropologist named Santiago Genovese. And he's a passenger on a flight from Monterey to Mexico City in Mexico when halfway to their destination, this plane is hijacked by a radical guerrilla organization and diverted to Cuba. It's an act meant to pressure the Mexican government into releasing their imprisoned comrades. And it eventually works, actually. And the good news is no one is killed during this hijacking, although it is probably safe to say most of the passengers on that plane would classify this as a traumatizing experience. Sure. For sure. But Santiago Genovese sees it as a gift. And that's because he has spent his career researching the plane. And he's been doing a lot of research on the plane. And he's researching violent human behavior. He will later be quoted as saying, well, I'm not going to do this. I'm going to do this. And he's particularly struck during this hijacking by how he and the other passengers behaved. Things that would normally divide them in daily life, like age, ethnicity, gender, or faith, all fell away in this life-threatening moment. And this phenomenon makes Genovese ask himself whether we as a species are more apt to use violence or to use cooperation with others when we're trying to survive. Genovese thinks that if he can answer this question, he could work toward a more scientific, understanding of how to stem conflict and work towards peace all over the world. That'd be great. So he begins to design an experiment that would enable him to study a small but diverse group of people in a similarly isolated, volatile setting. Oh, no. Okay. No, no. It's too late. We're already starting. But instead of an airplane, he decides the setting of this experiment will take place on a raft in the open ocean. This is the story of how that went, it's been called the Akali experience. expedition. It's also been called the Peace Project. Oh, my God. But we're going to call it by its real name. This is the story of the sex raft. I've never heard of it. I thought we were going full. I thought we were just in a what's it called? Like a laboratory, like a scientific experiment. On a plane getting hijacked. I thought it was going to be a hijacking story. Going back. No, no, no. And I was like, what a great idea to like think of next time you're in a panic situation. Think of it as a experiment or as observation. Yes. Calling down. Becoming the observer is the trick. Totally. Because you suddenly are like, oh, well, if I have to remember all this, I have to get out of experiencing it and start looking at it. Pretend you're a journalist like you hear about all these these people who get attacked and they're like just focusing on the little things so they know what to tell. You know. Yes. And getting through it that way. But no, we're on a sex raft. But it's we're doing the sex raft thing. So the main source for this story today is. Is a 2018 documentary called The Raft by director named Marcus Lindine. The rest of the sources are in our show notes. But I found out about this story because, of course, I was scrolling on TikTok in the middle of the night and I saw a video by this creator as named Dexter MP4. He's very funny, tells crazy stories. And it was this video that made me go, wow, I've never heard this before. Is that the one and only sex raft? Yeah. I wouldn't personally call that a raft. So the word raft is used here. But this vessel. No, it's it's more like a houseboat. That center part. Right. Covered. It's a railing on the outside. It's basically a floating square that is roughly the size of half a tennis court. OK. Yeah. It looks like something you'd take from one island to the next really quickly. It's not like a cruise or a nice boat. It's just like. Right. Get you over there. They've got one big sail on the front. It's not down in this picture, but that's where that mast is. Get you in with the mast. Right. Well, it's, you know, Maren told me. OK. But for the listener, it's like a big square that's red and white. Yeah. And it's essentially like, let's see what happens on this thing as we go across the ocean, because you'll notice that middle square is too small for like individual cabins or anything. It's tight. It's tight. Oh, there's no motor on this. Oh, hence the sail. It is relying solely on the wind and the current. I don't even know what's happening yet. Tell me everything. OK. Because I might not care if we're going just to Mackinac Island for the day. That's right. Just just floating around. How long are we going to be gone for? Well, I'll tell you. Tell me everything. Dr. Genovese names the raft the Akali, and that's from the indigenous Mexican language Nahuatl. And Akali means the house in the water. So the plan is to sail the Akali from the Canary Islands, which is off of Africa's northwestern coast. You knew that. So did I. To Cozumel, Mexico. It's a dangerous months long journey. That's far. That spans thousands of miles across the open ocean. There's not enough room for food on that. It's not a realistic plan. And but in the very real open ocean, which I don't know why anyone goes out there. Do a short run first so that if it goes horribly wrong, you can just turn it around. Right. Don't do not from the Canary Islands. How about from Cozumel to the neighboring port of fill in the blank that I don't know? I was going to be so amazing. OK. To find participants, Dr. Genovese places ads for volunteers in several international newspapers. About 100 or so people apply. He whittles them down to the final 10. Six women and four men. They represent all different ethnicities, all different nationalities and all different faiths. They speak different languages, but they do have some things in common. They're all in their 20s and 30s. They're all hot. They're all hot. This is the original Love Island. It is. This guy was a fucking visionary and he was trying to be all scientific about it. I know. And what he should have done was been like, and I'll get my Super 8 camera. Yeah. Guys, do your thing. It's sponsored by fucking White Claw. What's 1973? It's sponsored by James. Bartles and James and Virginia Slims. My dad has the most epic Colt 45 T-shirt in this one picture from my childhood. And I realize the reason I love it so much. It's the T-shirts Piccoli is wearing when the robber comes into the 7-Eleven. Wow. Or the quickie mart or whatever. That's. That's epic. Back to what's really important here. Hot people on a boat. Hell yeah. So these are all the kind of people that are like, oh, sure, I'll do this fun thing. They're either adventurous or they're looking to make big changes in their lives. Many of them are married and have kids. And all of this is basically intentional choices by Dr. Genovese. Hey, honey, real quick. I know we have children to take care of, but I'm going to real quick. I'm just for fun for eight to maybe four. 15 months. They're calling it the sex cruise, but like not, you know. It's scientific, so it's probably more about gender than anything else. It's below deck meets Love Island. And you don't know what that means because it's 1973, but you will. Just have another Bartles and James while you're pregnant and a Virginia Slim. And I'll see you. And I'll see you when I see you. Yeah. I'll see you when that kid's in kindergarten. Basically, Genovese has hypothesized that sex and violence are closely intertwined. So he wants to basically fuel sexual desire, frustration and tension and have that. Be some of the main features of this experiment. Right. He's going to Love Island his own people and then see what they do. Skeptical face. Well, so here's the thing. He assigns everyone a job at sea and he deliberately puts the women in charge. And he is self-proclaimed and has been described as a chauvinist. Basically, it's, you know, a kind of real a superstar of the early 70s. The raft will be captained by a 30 year old Swede named Maria. The navigator is 36 year old Ken, whose name is Mary. The doctor is a 32 year old Israeli woman named Edna. And for all matters underwater, like maintenance of the vessel itself, they have a 32 year old French scuba diver named Servan, who's also a woman. There are two other female participants, an American radio operator named Faye and an Algerian named Rashida, who conducts a separate study on ocean pollution. So she's a scientist that's also there to do something while at the same time, being the subject of an experiment. Got it. At 23 years old, both Faye and Rashida are the youngest volunteers on board. And now we go over to the men's side. So there's 29 year old Asuke. He's from Japan and he is the ship photographer. There's 37 year old Charles from Greece, who is manning the radios along with Faye. He's a DJ. He's on the ones and twos. Then there's 34 year old Jose from Uruguay, who is an anthropologist. And he was also Genovese's former student. And there's also an Angolian priest named Bernardo. And he's been chosen to be there to basically amplify the feelings of guilt or shame around what Genovese is anticipating will be the hot, hot sex happening on this tiny, strange boat. Bowls of condoms? Doubt it. I mean, there's nowhere to put them because we're on half a tennis court. It's so small. Of course, men serving the supporting roles to the women in leadership roles, that's going to be a problem, according to Genovese. And he claims that he got this idea because of hearing about the women's liberation movement. I was excited. But you pause when you said he's a chauvinist. I thought you were going to say feminist and be like, the only way this will work is if women are in charge, because clearly men have had their chance for fucking eons and have really, really screwed it up. Right. No, it's a it's a funny joke on everyone that women are. Or he thinks he's kind of like planting the TNT. Yeah. Right. It is an interesting. Experiment at the end of the day. I still want to make fun of it. Also, there's you got to. There's Dr. Genovese himself, the oldest passenger on board at forty nine. Of course, he mostly wants to date 23 year old yoga instructor. He's there to document the results of this experiment with the presumption he will be a neutral participant, obviously. OK, because you can't oversee your experiment and also be involved in it. Just going to watch the fucking write down some stuff. Oh, and here's the group. Oh, they are attractive. Look at these sexy youngsters. Is that him with the beard? Look at those tiny little bikini bottoms he's got on. It would make sense. But everybody else is like, I'm seeing sarongs. I'm seeing. They look like the United Colors of Benetton. Yes. And also just on the good days, like they're out there on this beautiful open ocean. Just like, yeah. And they're like, I'm away from my kids for three months. I don't give a fuck. It's for science. It's for science. Escaping children for science. That is Santiago. You were right. Good guess. That was him. That was him. As played by Brendan Walsh. Or that Irish guy in Bridesmaids. And he's the nice cop. Oh, he's so cute. Yeah. Chris O'Dowd. Definitely. Right there in the center. And you're so right. If you want to know who's the troublemaker, just look for the tiniest speedo. He's the only one with gray hair. You know, everyone's young and happy. Yeah, that's right. And he's like, where's the hatred? I need it. Okay, so it's May of 1973. The volunteers all traveled to the Canary Islands and hours before they're set to disembark together, they meet for the first time. So they're all just like, oh, again, are you an adventurer too? I'm also hot. When they board the Akali, they are seen off by a very large crowd that includes members of the international press. So people are following this story. It is already nighttime when the raft is taken by tugboat out into the open ocean and left there. Goodbye. The volunteers are now just on deck in the pitch black with the roar of the ocean all around them. No motor, sails away. The experiment has begun. And the water's, of course, rougher than anyone anticipated. anticipated so many of the volunteers are immediately seasick. And this is when everyone. So sexy. Well, because this is when everyone finds out about the bathroom. What about the bathroom? Well, I'll tell you this right now. Volunteers realize that they have to relieve themselves using a toilet-like contraption built off the back of the raft out in front of everybody. How? The assumption of a closed-door bathroom. If it's going to be anything else, you've got to specify. Like, okay. Turn around can't be the extent of the privacy. Turn around, bright eyes. Everyone turn around, bright eyes. Every now and again, I take a shit. Look away! Look away! Okay. Okay. They also have to bathe, change clothes, all of it out in the open. And while everyone is put off by the fact that there is no privacy, once they get their sea legs, everyone stops throwing up, things actually start to run kind of smoothly. They all know they're assigned. And despite speaking different languages, they're communicating well. They get weather reports radioed in every two days. They use those to navigate, of course, and plot the course. And all the while, Genovese regularly makes them fill out questionnaires or answer questionnaires to him about the experience. Yes. So Sex Cruise has homework? Yeah, because this is an experiment, Sex Cruise. So they haven't worked out all the kinks of this Sex Cruise. Yeah, not yet. Not yet. Get on that toilet. Get on that kink toilet. Get on that toilet-like toilet. There's nothing scarier in the world than the phrase toilet-like. That's horrifying. A hundred percent. You know things are going to be bad when something is toilet-like, toilet-adjacent. How many nightmares have you had of going to the bathroom out in the open? Like, in the middle of the mall. I always love, that was always the thing where I'm like, so in my bathroom last night, or in my dream last night, the bathroom, it was my grammar school bathroom, but instead of individual stalls, the toilet was up on the floor. On a throne, where you're just like, let's break it down. You're reminded, like, literally the other night I had one, you're reminding me. It's a common nightmare. It's humiliating. Yeah. So they start doing the work and just sailing and getting it done. Now we're a month in, and while a couple of the participants have had sex, it isn't happening at the level that Dr. Genovese was hoping it would. And when it does, there's no lingering tension or jealousy or unrequited desire leading to an explosion. Nothing like that is happening. It's chill. Okay. But Genovese is certain that this easygoing energy is going to dissipate as time goes by. But once they're into the month of June, everyone's just still managing fine. They actually tell stories about their lives to keep kind of entertained, because books were not allowed on this trip. Oh, fuck. Like, basically, you had to interact. They also sing songs. Like, they're just doing whatever they can to kind of get through. Okay. Faye, the radio operator, will later say, quote, We became a very tight tribe. That doesn't happen in normal life, especially when you have so many different cultures, so many different languages, and so many different religious groups. But we became a group, almost like a pod of the same animal. I bet when you can't speak the same language, it's, like, more difficult to get into arguments about nuanced stuff like politics and religion, right? Because there's no other words. I like. Everything is like a smile and a, hey, right? Are we doing this? If you had to put people on the sex. The sex raft, who would. Living or dead? Yeah. I think mostly dead. So the synergy and lack of drama on the sex boat, on the sex raft, is clearly a problem for Dr. Genovese. It's testing his ability to stay neutral. So now his questions are becoming increasingly more pointed. So he's asking people questions like, who would you get rid of if you could get rid of. Okay, now we're just throwing people off of the boat. Yes. Great. And also, who's the most attractive? Like, it's turned into a seventh grade slam book. Very quickly. And it still doesn't work. So even though people do answer and the answers are given. Yeah, he's getting what he wants. Yeah, he's being given the answers, but it's not dredging up the bad feeling that he thinks or the tension or anything. Things are just humming along. Yeah. Although there is a problem. The captain, Maria, is becoming very frustrated by how slowly they're moving and basically how shitty this raft is. And she knows that if they can't speed up, they could hit the Caribbean during. During hurricane season. Shit. Which it could have lethal consequences. So in one of Genovese's questionnaires, Maria tells him that she, quote, hates the Akali. She hates it. Okay. And this is when things start to get tense because that statement, Dr. Genovese finds very offensive and he gets really pissed off at her, the captain. Bro. Yeah. Mary will later say, quote, Santiago did not want to accept that answer from anybody. He said, our raft is beautiful, end quote. So now Genovese is pissed at Maria and his bitterness begins to simmer. Suddenly, the rudder breaks. So they go from bad to worse. And this is clearly a job for Servan, who is the French female diver who's just going to go down and fix that rudder. But suddenly Genovese declares himself the boss and demands to step in and do it himself. He's the problem. Yeah. Oh, my God. The whole thing was inside me. Just because you wanted to fuck everyone on the plane that got hijacked doesn't mean everyone's fucking like you. He's just like, how could I get a 23-year-old to fuck me? How am I going to explain that I really wanted to fuck my seatmate on that hijacked plane who was an 80-year-old woman? How do I justify that? How would one kind of get it more into the non-judgy, it's okay if you want that area? I know, science. Karen never believes in science. That's kind of her thing. So Maria, the captain, will later remember, quote, So the women wait until Genovese has fallen asleep and they go fix the rudder themselves. That's a great metaphor for being a woman in 1973. We had to make him think that it just got fixed. Yeah. While he was sleeping. Right, exactly. The guy with the big beard is going to get upset if you do it better than him. Sir Vane says, quote, It was a really small job. It was quickly done and we just didn't say anything. You had it word for word. Yeah. But of course, when Genovese wakes up and puts two and two together, he's furious that it was repaired behind his back. And his attitude doesn't improve much into July. He is still not getting the heated social scenarios that he was planning on. And on day 51, when the Akali is about halfway across the Atlantic, he laments the lack of sex and violence taking place on board. He writes in his notes, quote, I can feel that the group has lost interest in the experiment. They clearly don't understand what I'm trying to do. Instead of supporting me, they behave like a bunch of children and they're getting lazy. Oh, my God. Stop being lazy about casual sex. And anger and violence. Yeah, just try to hit somebody. You're not doing what I'm trying to get you to naturally do. Yes, you don't have these instincts. And I'm furious. Okay, so now we're in August. It's day 84 of this trip. And the Akali reaches the Caribbean. It's just a few weeks away from their expected kind of arrival date in Mexico, their ETA. And around this time, the crew learns that some newspaper reports on the experiment have been gaining traction since they first left the Canary Islands. They learned that the majority of the coverage has gone with the nickname, Sex Raft or the Raft of Love. And this sends Genovese into a spiral. He writes in his notes, quote, What if the experiment doesn't lead to anything and I risked all of our lives for nothing? I can feel that the others are starting to sense my insecurity. I am tired and sad and I feel completely misunderstood. Crying to your beard. Shave that beard, maybe. Crying to your 49-year-old beard. Start all over and just go completely clean shaven. Of course, he's not going to keep those feelings in his diary and say, hey, you know, just be a bigger person and just keep, zip it. Instead, he decides to call an all-hands meeting where he reads answers aloud from everyone's past questionnaires. You little bitch. What a fucking diva. And guess what, Georgia? Who do you think said this? Faye wants you off this raft. And she said she's better looking than you. Like, he's asking questions that he can only get fucked up answers from. Right. So he's like, everyone sit down. You're going to hear some bad news. Get ready. Who finds who attractive? Who finds who annoying? Who wants whom banished to the deepest depths of the ocean? Who's a slut? Et cetera. That's all me at the end. But here's the thing about this team. They don't care. He tells them. Like, this is your experiment. Like, you banded them together because they have one common enemy. Yes. You are being a little bitch. And like, also the time period of like, this whole generation that's like, summer of love and like, accept people. He's basically doing a generational fucking experiment where his old ass is. Come on. Where's that hate that we used to love so much back in the 30s? Everyone can have. We're doing our best to get rid of that shit. Also, my thing is, did he go through, did he have like a translation book for every language on that? Right. It's like, and now the bad news in French. And now I translate for you. Right. Okay. So it doesn't faze this team. They truly are BFF. Mm-hmm. Genovese won't quit surveying the French diver later says quote he was provoking situations for something to happen Santiago only had ulterior motives he really wanted things to happen end quote which is like it is his experiment and he is the scientist but he's not letting it go right Mary the American navigator remembers quote one time Santiago threw a bucket of water at my face it was like shock treatment end quote yes bitch and Faye the other American who was just one of two black people on board adds quote he called me a primitive a thief lazy all the stereotypes he threw at me end quote he's you're the problem well he's trying to be the problem because no one else will be the problem because no one else needs to be the problem because there isn't a fucking problem right we know these people yeah but all of his insane behavior of course just bonds the group tighter and against him Edna the Israeli doctor will say quote before Akali Santiago said that out at sea we would be freer than ever before then at sea he started behaving like a dictator wow so this is when they get the news that there's a tropical storm a brewing in the Caribbean they're rightfully terrified everybody except for Genovese who writes quote I can't help but feel excited a dangerous hurricane might be exactly what we need for the experiment to evolve and quote it's his last chance then then it's all justified yeah his weird outdoor toilet as Captain Maria understands that everyone's lives are in her hands so she announces that she will steer the Akali to the nearest Caribbean island to ride out the storm but Genovese intervenes insisting that they stay on course he argues going into port would contaminate the experiment and he tells everyone quote for the sake of science we must continue no matter what end quote no thank you what happens next goes very fast Maria refuses to comply with that saying that the safety of the crew must take priority over this experiment and Genovese then fires her and says quote from now on I am the captain tie him up and put him on a like a dinghy like traveling along yes this is the classic Southwestern Airlines electricianers tape around the mouth and then around the seat so as he's making this announcement basically storm clouds are gathering in the skies above the ship the sky has now gone dark raindrops begin to fall and the waves start getting bigger and higher so it truly is like when they make a movie of this yeah this whole thing where he's like no I am the captain and his eyes go crazy oh my god a storm is a Bruin they now realize it's too late to argue about this the team braces for the worst but somehow the storm makes a miraculous change of course and the Akali is spared so everything kind of settles back down but of course the emotional and psychological damage has already been done Maria is so furious that she cannot even look at Genovese and she later says quote I was angry and sad and depressed I mean there is a really special law at sea and this what Santiago did to me was mutiny yeah a mutiny the penalty is death end quote okay so we're getting we're getting somewhere now they're in the last stretch of the journey and Genovese has ironically become not a dispassionate observer of the group's tension but the absolute center of it Isuke one of the men will say quote his psychological violence was difficult to bear it was very hard on me end quote so it goes from bad to worse and it gets so intense the group actually has a meeting one night while Genovese is sleeping and they discuss killing him whoa because he's so bad they entertain throwing him overboard Genovese has ironically become not a dispassionate observer of the group's tension but the absolute center of it Isuke one of the men will say quote his psychological violence was difficult to bear it was very hard on me end quote so it goes from bad to worse and it gets so intense the group actually has a meeting one night while Genovese is sleeping and they discuss killing him overboard Genovese has ironically become not a dispassionate observer of the group's tension but the absolute center of it Isuke one of the men will say quote his psychological violence was difficult to bear it was very hard on me end quote he's sleeping and they discuss killing him overboard of fiction. it. 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