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It's about the early days of Doge Trump's Department of Government Efficiency Told through six federal employees who were branded as blockers the worst thing You could be called if you wanted to keep your government job one person kept America's most sensitive tax data out of the wrong hands Another made sure that politicians and civil servants played by the rules one figured out how to stop wildfires from destroying suburban neighborhoods I talked to Michael about the book. I read the book. It's fantastic It's a great look at what actually happens inside of the government and the people that stood up to Trump and Elon Musk and What they exposed and why it matters. I highly recommend it get blockers rebels in the deep state wherever you get audiobooks happening Washington D. C Boy I want to thank all of you for being here tonight I am grateful to the vast majority of you who bought tickets Before Tuesday I am a little less grateful to the people that came in at the end the fair weather friends of the show Who got those last few tickets this week, but we're still very happy to have you. Welcome To love it or leave it We have got a great show for you tonight But first let's get into it What a winner Well It's gonna be the easiest show I've done and We want everything everywhere all at once Like the week after a color run. We're still finding blue in places. We didn't know existed It was almost too much too fast James Carvell got the bends We won the district that includes the back rooms We won we unseated the incumbent mayor of widow's Bay I didn't even know how this is possible, but the musical Hamilton won a race outside Phoenix Democrats are on track to win 260 house seats And 56 senate seats Democrats haven't won a senate seat in Kansas in nearly 100 years, but pastor Adam Hamilton did it So I'll say it. Yes, we Kansas This week we can say that kind of thing And then we got to stop The last Democratic senator Kansas elected served while the Wizard of Oz was being filmed And James Telluriko and Troy Jackson And Sherrod Brown and Josh Turek and Annie Andrews and Abdul Al Sayed It turns out God is non-binary whether you believe in them or not We also flipped governorships in Ohio, Iowa, Nevada Texas rolled Greg Abbott to the street Facing the curb like the Democrats We elected Gina Inahosa the first Latina governor in Texas history In Georgia Keisha lands bottoms being the first Black woman to be elected governor of any state Said America's founders what New Hampshire elected Democrat Chris Papis Who will be the senate's first openly gay male senator So rest now Lindsey Graham Chris Papis has the watch And we'll see you in gay Valhalla And it misses Sidby Democrat Scott Collomb the longest of long shots when he appeared on Podsave America back in May is now ahead of Republican senator Cindy hide Smith by over 2000 votes It really makes you feel like anything is possible Fuck it. I'm gonna learn to skateboard I'm gonna learn to break dance I'm gonna learn to dance Come on. I'm gonna learn to make pasta from scratch Okay, so that's possible Fun fact Joe Biden nominated Scott Collomb to be a federal judge But is yes But his nomination was blocked It was blocked by one person An objection by his home state senator Not Roger Wicker Cindy hide Smith And so she stopped him from getting what would have been a lifetime appointment She set up her own real challenge Oops bitch Alaska hasn't been called and we likely won't know the outcome for sure until November 18th Though Peltola is favored to win While speaking with CNN on Thursday Alaska Democratic Party chair Eric Croft had an interesting way of describing the states vote Tallying method so president Trump suggested as you heard there that incumbent Dan Sullivan should be awarded all the votes for the Democrat He calls the fake Dan Sullivan and the other candidate on the ballot. What is your response to that? I think grandpa is confused again. We're still counting up here. We take a kind of different approach We treat this process more like sex finishing first and early is not the main goal We've heard to take it slow Kind of do it right and hopefully at the end everybody involved is satisfied so I'm not prepared for that analogy. I have to say Eric Well, yeah, we think Florida finishes a little quick No, we don't said Ron DeSantis Who does And besides it will be worth the wait because you know what's better than getting a concession call from Dan Sullivan Getting two concession calls from Dan Sullivan I will say In all seriousness given the controversy around the Alaska race there is I think an important lesson for Democrats about these kinds of sort of schemes If you're going to go to multiple Dan Sullivan's as part of your dirty trick to confuse voters you have to kill the ones you don't use. It was also a great night for fucking around and finding out The end result of that brief redistricting hot war that Trump and Texas kicked off The Texas Republicans it ends with Republicans only winning two of the 15 seats that they had targeted While Democrats went six four six We haven't seen a redrawing fit. Yeah, that is right We haven't seen a redrawing fail this spectacularly since that fucked up Jesus fresco Who by the way voted for Gina Speaking of even the Pope voted yes Pope Leo voted by absentee in Illinois saying it remarks on Wednesday after the election. The politics that tends the wounds of people and those who suffer injustice offers grounds for hope for the future of humanity. He then added, "Wait, why are there two dance elements?" Based on the pontiff's statement and his dismay at Trump's immigration crackdown, it seems unlikely that Pope Leo supported the far right Trump Republican running against JB Pritzker. The Pope even met Pritzker and they discussed their opposition to Trump's raids in Chicago. And according to historians, this is as far as we know, the first and only vote by a pope in a secular election ever, which means, yes, which means the one and only vote in an election by a pope was for a Jewish person. Do you understand how insane that is? Are you at all familiar with the Vatican's history, with the Jews of Europe? Think of all those popes, your Benedict's, your Urbans, your Gregory's, 2,000 years of popes all rolling over in their graves. Pope Pius the Knight is like, "I'm a sorry, the Pope is from away. Any vote of what?" But dead popes weren't the only ones caught by surprise this week. Colorado Congresswoman Lauren Bobert wasn't supposed to be in a competitive race, but with 95 percent of ballots counted, Bobert is down by 3,000 votes. Yes, ironically this time it's looking like Lauren Bobert is the one getting yanked. Now of course, Bobert is claiming that there's election fraud, but don't worry Lauren, they're counting the ballots in your preferred way by hand. Bobert of course is just one in a constellation of disappointed villains, Vivek Ramaswamy. Roozes in disgrace and he will pay for his evil dumb decision to run that ad by being forever associated with it. That ad should follow him around like a wet fart for the rest of his fucking life. There is nowhere he goes where he shouldn't be reminded of his failure. Like everyone always brings up how I got out first on Survivor, but with Malice. South Carolina Republican and Senator for a Day Contest winner, Darlene Graham, laws her bid for a full term in an upset to pediatrician Annie Andrew. It turns out Benzie Graham wasn't the only person in South Carolina who needed to see a doctor. Trump's boy toy, John Hewstad, lost his race in Ohio, and sure Trump hates to see him go, but loves to watch him walk away. Also one of Tuesday's biggest losers is Haley Stevens and she wasn't on the ballot. She jumped ship in like the last three days. It's like she walked out of you can see everything and decided to invest her lace life savings with Elizabeth Holmes now. I'm probably going to cut this, I'll just do, I'm not sure. And I can't imagine how things are between Haley and her fiance right now. He kind of ruined her political career and he can't even tell her not to wear that hat. Both say the America focused on flipping 12 congressional seats, the Crooked dozen. We added one to make a baker's Crooked dozen, all 13 flipped. And thank you to everybody here who signed up. That includes the Ohio seat held by Max Miller, a notorious abuser who lost to Union iron worker Brian Poindexter. Miller will now have more time to hopefully spend nowhere near his family. On Wednesday, having heard the American people loud and clear, Trump woke up and got to work on the ballroom. So this is a special structure. It's going to be not only one of the biggest, but it'll be the most beautiful ballroom I think anywhere in the world. And they've been trying to get it for 150 years. The ballroom is even funnier now because we can really imagine that he's building it for Pete Buttigieg. Trump was asked if he's worried at all about a potential third impeachment here's what he said. Not even a little bit. I think it would destroy the Democrat party if they did that. His impeachment for no reason, what, for having a successful country. A country is more successful now than in any time. Watch the beam go up. Damn. If only America had seen that beam go up last week. The jockeying for 2028 has also begun with JD Vance writing a Twitter essay in which he blamed the war for Republican losses and laid out what could bring Republicans back. It includes ending the war focusing on cost of living, putting America first and changing our relationship to Israel. I hope anybody who was praising Hailey Stevens last week heard that last one because if you don't like how it sounds when Democrats are skeptical of our relationship with Israel, wait until you hear how it sounds coming from Republicans because it's going to fry your fucking lockers. Here's Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. Let's just be clear about what happened last night. This is close to an extinction level event for Republicans in many parts of the country as we have seen probably in the last hundred years. And if the Republican party doesn't have Texas as an anchor, then we are not going to be viable nationally going forward. Don't threaten us with a good time, Ron. Here's Ted Cruz. Texas is blue. That is a hard sentence, daughter. But Texas, today at least, is blue. As we sit here today, I am the only statewide elected Republican who remains in Texas. That's not something I ever thought I would say. Good thing Ted Cruz has been practicing for having zero friends or allies his entire fucking life is made for this moment. Here's Jesse Waters crash out. The American people, young men, white Americans, said screw you to Donald Trump, said screw you to the Republican party in places in the deep south, in the middle of what I'm saying is this happen. That's not just something that happens all of the time. That's a problem that the Republicans have. They voted for Telefrico, man. They voted for Abdul Mohammed. I mean, no one can really wrap their head around that. That's Senator Telefrico to you. And you can't wrap your head around to Jesse, but obviously a lot of people can because they won. The most people wrap their heads around it. What we have struggled to wrap our heads around for the past decade is how long it took to get the country to where we've been, which is right here. We've been sitting in a fucking boat or in the sand for a decade. Where is the water? There's a wave, not big enough. Here's another barely enough to float, but never the big one. Never the one we imagined. Never the one we needed. And there was Jesse Waters every time on his little lounge chair, relaxing, taking in the sun, laughing at our desperate, futile rowing. But then it came a 50-year wave and up we went. And there you are. Confused, doggie paddling next to our boat, realizing you dropped your phone, trying to grab onto something. And we'll let you on. We'll extend a hand. You can get on our boat, Jesse, but on this boat we're fully vexed. And the person with the ore, she they are going to need an apology and a gluten-free option. For this is the beginning of the end of the Trump era. We thought Biden getting elected was the beginning of the end, but it turned out that was just the end of the beginning. But beginning now, it's ending. Democrats are going to be showing up to Congress like they grew boobs over the summer. Outgoing Kentucky Republican Thomas Massey also says he plans the trigger of vote to impeach Pete Heggseth. This is so fucked up, texted Heggseth to a baffled Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg. And while Trump suggested he wanted to work with Democrats, he isn't acting like it. The first big personnel change is removing Susie Wiles as White House Chief of Staff, and replacing her with C++ Santa Monica fascist, Stephen Miller. That doesn't suggest a warm climate, which is ironic because Miller can't technically generate his own body. It tells us that the next two years are going to be one hell of a fight. And I don't know about you, but I want to fight. And I've had this strange feeling, if I'm being honest, about this election. And maybe this resonates with you that the individual wins our extraordinary. The chances to cheer these incredible people, it's exciting and inspiring and moving. But it hasn't added up to me into any kind of euphoria. There is this little gap for me between the results and the celebration, and I can't close it. And I was struggling to explain it, and I think I know what it is. And maybe you feel the same way, which is, you want to have that feeling, you want to celebrate. But we have lost so much. And we have seen so much suffering, and beyond the acute harm of families torn apart, and kids dying of measles, and the aid programs obliterated without warning all around the world, the degradation of our government and its ability to solve problems. Beyond that, there is this fear and anxiety we all experience in America led by these cruel and venal and reckless people. And there is a way that the success of evil men leads so many to question why they bother being good. And all around us is this wreckage and this empty space where progress could have been. And it makes me so angry that sometimes I can't contain it. Yes, defeating these MAGA freaks is great, but you don't really celebrate when someone removes a knife from your back. It feels better. You're glad it's gone. You are incredibly grateful to the people who saved you, but you're still pissed and bleeding. I say all of this because I don't want to bring us down, but because I think maybe others are feeling this way too. Do you know what I'm saying? Maybe a little surprised by the way that relief and anger hasn't transmuted into joy. And I think so much of our brittleness on our side at times is an inability to face the trauma and uncertainty of this decade. And we take it out on each other because it's easier to fight with people who care than people who don't. But our job now is to build on the success and to do it together. Was this election a victory for the left? Absolutely. Was it a victory for the moderates? Yeah, it was that too. Was it a triumph of Bernie's populism? You bet it was. But was it a triumph for Obama's style of optimism and unity? It was that too. If anything, this election represents a new generation bringing together the winning elements from across our movement. And I think that rules. We won because we brought as many people as possible together, period. We built this team of talented, diverse people with different points of view, many of whom were in place to win because they took a chance even when it seemed impossible. They were long shots, but they did it because they had hope and a lot of anger. Anger, what was happening in Washington, anger at the misrule by Republicans who took voters for granted. Anger that actually unifies these diverse candidates against corruption and injustice in our immigration system and health care system and economy. And so you know what? I'm glad I'm angry. I'm going to try my best to stay that way. And I hope you all join me. Because here's what else these elections mean, the end of Trump's agenda in Congress. It means he will not fill a Supreme Court vacancy. It means we have oversight and real power and it means given the scale of this win that we can hold the House and the Senate and we could very well be. And a position to have a Democratic White House and both houses of Congress with a Senate majority in which we are in held hostage by one or two votes. And you know another time when we had that kind of trifecta after 2008, which means, oh my god, it has been 20 years. Nope, we're not good. We're all young tonight. This week we're all young. This week, it's 2026 and it's 2008 and it's 1974 and it's 1776 and it's 2028. Change is coming. They discontinued the fucking cyber truck. So let's keep the momentum going. Starting with a great show tonight. We'll be up next with Chiosay and Heather McGee. And we'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It Or Leave It coming up. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp as the holidays approach. 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Heather, how are you feeling? Fantastic. I promised my mother I wouldn't swear and it was about to be my first word! Fantastic. How are you going, Chiy? I'm feeling good. I was living out so hard on Tuesday. I almost said the beep-peep-put-a-judge "high hopes" dance. Yeah. I don't know. All right. That was a joke. I don't know how to do that. I do not know how to do that. What is it? I don't know how to do it. Is that how you do it? Someone teach me. Heather, one of the most exciting things about this election is the number of first. You have first-blank governors, first Native American governor and senator, first Latino woman in the governor's office in Texas, first-case senator, not named Lindsay. What was your reaction to seeing this happen? I was like, it's Reconstruction again. That's what it is! Our country broke all the way apart. And then we are coming back together, being true to our founding principles and ideals. No, I mean, listen, 75 million people voted for Kamala Harris, 77 million people voted for Donald Trump, but 90 million people did not vote. And so I never thought that what happened, the re-election of this person who just represents the worst of America, right? The races and the sexes and the greed, the imperialism, the stupidity, that that was representative of who we were. Like, this country doesn't hate diversity. Like, it's never been popular. And so I was not surprised, and it's time for us to come back to who we are. (cheering and applause) She wrote what was her reaction to the results. I was like, "DI is back." You know, we brought it. Day one, the people want DEI. No, it was really incredible to see the array of candidates who got elected. But moving beyond their race and their first, I think it was just a testament to what Americans wanted to see in their government. And that was a government who gave a shit about them, who was not going to tow and bow the need to the 1% and the oligarchs. And people were pissed off. People were pissed off in 2024. And that's why I do believe we, many Americans re-elected Donald Trump, and people were pissed off this year. And they wanted to see change. They wanted to show the Republican Party a lesson. And they wanted to see results. And we saw that with a lot of the candidates that ran, that they were running different campaigns than the ones we've seen in the past. And not only were they the first, and they're creeds, but they were the first, and in showing that they're not going to tow to the 1% and to the oligarchs that have traditionally led our politics for a very long time. [APPLAUSE] I've thought about reconstruction, and I've thought about the difference between the first Trump administration and the second. And I think one of the challenges is we could tell a story after the first admin that that was an aberration. It was a big fuck-up. We didn't take it seriously enough. Of course, it was a response to Obama, and it was something deeper. We're not being totally naive, but we're going to get past this. And then it happened again. And it was a harder story to tell. And I think about reconstruction in the place it has in our culture in that we prefer to tell stories about World War II and the civil rights movement in our fiction and our fictionalized stories. Because we like stories with a happy ending, with an arc, and we don't revisit reconstruction because it was about a long and sustained backslide. It's actually very important to me. I was in law school, and I read the civil rights cases of 1881 and 1883. And it sort of broke but healed something in my mind, which was, you know, we all learned the like long arc story of American progress. It was like, you know, Harriet Tubman and then Rosa Parks and Obama, right? Just like boom, boom, boom, boom. In that order. That's not actually how it works. That's a Texas history book right now. You got to put Arthur Aschen in the 90s, and then you-- Not when there's no Harriet Tubman. Yeah, no Harriet Tubman. No, neither. But actually, the impossible happened. Like the most profitable and venal economic model in the history of the world was broken in the civil war, which was won, quite as it's kept, by the mass defection of enslaved people to join the Union Army ranks. And people who had been enslaved and not been allowed to read or write, then were like legislating in the halls of Congress. And that same reconstruction generation then saw a crooked, supreme court knocked down their civil rights laws. And then we had 75 years of Jim Crow. And I think about that history. Because it's like, oh, wait a second. Like that generation saw the things that I thought of as sort of the beginning of history as a kid, like Jim Crow. Right? You know, as like what they got after winning everything, including civil rights laws that would have banned the kind of segregation that then came. And they didn't give up hope. They planned. They marched. They decided what they were going to do. And then we had all the progress of the 20th century. And so I think for black people, like you really have to have the sense that there will always be a handful of men who will try to take away everything you've won. But we will then always go underground and then fix it again and fix it better. [APPLAUSE] She, one thing that's been interesting is just there's been this reaction online of apologies from Gen Z, two millennials. I'm sorry. I'm saying like, oh, I get it. I get it now. I get why you were also enthusiastic about Obama and I get why you believe change was possible. We were so cynical. We're so sorry. Obviously, that's ridiculous. But do you understand? So I am on the on the side of Gen Z. I am 28 years old. So I-- the entire-- Oh, then we need a minute over here. We need a minute over here. Listen to me. We're first and foremost. First and foremost. So remember 9/11 caucus is speaking. We remember it. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. I don't remember 9/11. I wish I had that experience. But I wish I remember that experience. He is a city council member in New York City at the age of 28. I will say right now on stage as maybe the only Gen Z person on stage. And the first Gen Z elected in New York State, I apologize to millennials for-- I apologize to millennials for making fun of you. Thank you. And some of your stylistic choices over the past 10 years. But what I will say is I get it now. Like the past 10 years, my entire adulthood has been Donald Trump and, you know, a blip of Joe Biden. But mainly Donald Trump ruling our politics. And, you know, this taste that we got on Tuesday, this opium, this, this type of energy was something that I think made us relate to millennials in a way. And I'm a zillennial so I get it a little bit. You know, I listened to Daylight by Matt and Kim before. So I will apologize. But I know a lot of my younger Gen Z siblings have a ways to go in terms of getting what you guys dealt with when it came to Obama. Yeah, well, the first hit of opium is, hopeium is free, but then you have to pay. Well, I do want to ask you about the City Council because we just had this election in Los Angeles. We elected Nithia Raman. My husband worked for Nithia, and I'm very happy for that campaign. But one thing that's happened in New York and you're a part of it is not just winning, but a momentum of keeping attention on these issues. You're relentless about talking about what's going on, so is the mayor. What are your lessons? What do you wish you had seen a video from a City Council member explaining to you before you became a City Council member, making videos explaining it to others? I think the answer to that question and to where Democrats are in this moment is show your fucking work. You know what I mean? Get the job done. Show that so many people who in our democracy don't believe in our government, right? They go out and cast a vote in a midterm election and a presidential election, and they tangibly don't feel those impacts or those effects hit them in their day-to-day lives. I remember in my first year in office, someone called my office and they wanted a trash can on their corner, and we got a trash can on their corner within that week, and that completely changed their mindset in terms of what government could do for them. And that's what we're doing in New York City. That's what the mayor's doing in New York City. He's not only acting on these issues, but he's showing people the work. And I think Democrats need to do that in order to keep this hope, in order to keep this momentum. We need to show that we are proving that government can work for the people, doing the work, and also showing it at the same time. Heather, do you live in she's district? This is my councilman, y'all. Imagine she hates me. And actually, this time-- And running against them. I put in several things in that. I called your office, and I don't know what happened. Someone's gonna fall. So I think Zoran's election was a little bit of a precursor to what we've seen nationally, in terms of fusion of a positive spirit of diversity, both in who he is, but also in just embracing the diversity of the city and trying to bring people into it, but also rigorously focusing on an economic message. I'm just curious how you think of those things as separate or not separate. OK, here's the secret part. I will let you all into it. To excel in a white boys club as a woman, as a person of color, as a queer person, to anyone who is not represented, who is underrepresented, how they're more men named John, and the Fortune 500 CEO, and they're women and people of color, right? You have to be excellent at what you you do all the time. And so there is something that is not coincidental about these people who are coming through their young. They are brilliant. They have done their homework, whether it's AOC or Mamdani, or the list can go on and on or Abdul. The list can go on and on and on of people who are just like, oh my god, they never falter. You know what I'm saying? And then you compare to Pete Hesketh, who can't even maintain the sanctity of a group chat. I mean, what? [LAUGHTER] So I just wanted to say that because it's like a secret, but not really a secret. But I think it's not coincidental that you have these early breakout stars who are just so great. It's like because they have to break through a lot. They have to break through a lot. OK. And also-- oh, thanks. Yeah, you can clap for that. You can clap for that. And we all benefit when we're led by excellent people, right? But there was something about the marriage of the relentless focus on affordability. And let's be clear. We weren't talking about even just that term, affordability. Like a city you can afford was Mamdani's slogan, right? This is Mamdani's economic agenda that we are living in. And I want to give credit to where it's due. And the sort of authenticity, and I'm willing to pick fights and say the true thing that came from his stance on Israel, right? It's not incidental because you can't actually win-- you can't actually win affordable housing, bringing down the cost of anything, unless you're willing to pick fights. Because the thing that's standing in the way of all that is concentrated power, right? And so it's almost like it was a symbol that he was willing to say the hard thing and the unpopular thing. And I think that's important. Elizabeth Warren does the same thing. She's like, I'm not going to get you lower costs on your credit cards just by saying I have a middle-class agenda. It's like, I'm going to name names of the banks that I'm willing to take on in order to win it. So it's like, if you're not a fighter, I don't believe that you're actually going to deliver on this nice five-part agenda. Yeah, there is. Do you think one chat, like there's this debate about the left versus the sort of more moderates? And well, actually, there are populists and that unites them. And I think that's all-- actually, do you think the ideological debate on social media is pretty stale and doesn't reflect what's actually going on? Because Abdul is sorted into the left camp because of the debate and attention on the Israel piece of it, but describes himself as a capitalist. He's for Medicare for all, but as a vehicle for a market-based economy that works, right? Like, he's doing something more complicated. But that aside, I do think there is this fundamental challenge, which is, I think if you ask people not whose ideas are better, just purely, you have Chuck Schumer, Gavin Newsom, and Kamal Harris over here. And you have AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Mamdani over there. And you just said, calm down. And you just said, who's matter about what's wrong, right? Who's more upset about unfairness in America? Who's more animated by your problems? I think there'd be a lot of agreement that it's not the mainstream of the party. And it is not a given, right, that people that have a more less left position on solutions would also care less about problems. But I do think that that has a commonly held view. And I do think that's part of what our fights are about. I don't know if you feel that in sort of what's happening in this kind of argument inside the party. Absolutely. I mean, I think I'll take it even further. And I spoke a little bit about this in my previous response. But it's not just about speaking to the economic populist issues. It's about showing that you're not beholden to these same institutions that are part of the problem, right? And we're seeing a complete paradigm shift in our politics of candidates and recent electeds who have been unbought, who have been unbossed, who have beaten outspending both in primary and general elections. And the voters know that those are going to be leaders who are going to hold these corporations accountable, who's going to hold these AI companies accountable. I think that's the biggest difference here, right? I think we can get so hung up on the left and the right of it all. But I think it's showing voters and their constituencies who's really going to hold these bad actors accountable and who's actually going to fix our economy and aid our affordability crisis in stopping our affordability crisis. So hey, what happened with-- so you were talking about challenging Hakeem Jeffries. And then Mamdani said to the DSA that they shouldn't endorse you. And then you-- did you talk to him about it? And did you still want to do it? And now what's happening there? [LAUGHTER] I'm like, looking at my press person, like you didn't say I was going to ask. Listen, I did everything in my power at the time to attempt to run in that race. I think that the mayor had a different strategy at the time prior to coming into his first term as mayor. I really disagree with a lot of Hakeem's style of politics. And I mean, I'm talking on and on about money in politics. About Israel and Palestine, about Blackstone and Black Rock. These fiscal institutions are places that I really have a problem with within our politics. Obviously, it didn't turn out in the way that I wanted it to. And we have a majority right now in the House and in the Senate. And I am praying for the best. You know, I'm very RuPaul right now. Good luck and don't fuck it up. Yes. All right. Good. I like that. I like that. Now, before we go, I do want to give us all the opportunity to settle any scores. We deserve to glow to little. Democrats can go back to flagulating ourselves on Monday when the new 2027 flagulators arrive. But until then, we each get to settle one score. One point you were so right about, one little bit of pleasure you took in someone's ignominous defeat. In a segment we're calling, "A rising tide lifts all glots." Heather, why don't you kick us off? OK, so I went to Mississippi in the middle of October. And the city of Jackson had named my book "The Some of Us" like an all-city read. And I was like, well, this is interesting, right? And so I went down. I had a bunch of conversations with people, including a whole group of white, middle-aged, moderate folks who were like, this politics that we've been in and part of for as long as we and our grandparents can remember, it's not working, it's killing the American dream for our kids. I was like, this is interesting. Then I sat down at this restaurant and people were talking about what they're going to eat. And they start all joking about pick another protein, which is the thing that Hyde Smith said and collimated at about it. I was like, this is in the zeitgeist. I get up to leave. Senator Roger Wicker was at that restaurant, stops me and wants to take a selfie with me. I was like, ladies and gentlemen, we don't win Mississippi. We don't win Mississippi. All right. That's a good one. Chi, what do you got? I would say as a proud democratic socialist and a proud progressive, there has been this narrative from pundits for so long that socialism and progressivism can only win in New York City, right? And then we saw in the past primary elections we had in New York that socialists were winning across the state. And then people were putting that narrative on Abdul Al-Sahia. He can't win in that primary because of Hayley Stevens and her fuck ass hat. And then they were also saying that Abdul couldn't win in the general election. In Abdul, not only won in the general election, but he won by over seven points in a swing state. [APPLAUSE] And he proved and aided in my argument at the time that progressives can win outside of New York City. They can win outside of Los Angeles. They can win in Colorado. They can win in Michigan. They can win across this country. They can win in Texas. I think we settled the score. And we're going to see that maybe, hopefully, in 2028 as well. Yeah. There's also a strange part of the debate, too, which is, yes, of course, it matters who performs better against a mean. That's, of course, very important. But presumably, there's a difference to having different candidates win, right? Presumably, if you really believe that these fights are worth having, you would be interested in a candidate who might not win by the same number of points because their ideas are so much better. And I feel like there's not a lot of space for that kind of just-- it's worth the shot because we have to try to get people who are better, which is part of it, too. Lot to think about. I think about Justin J. Pearson like that in Memphis, Tennessee. Bless his heart. One of the things that I think about Justin J. Pearson, like that, the finest political talent took on Elon Musk. - He was so close, he was so close. - Jerry Mander, the heck out of his district, but he is so young and he's gonna rise again. I have no doubt. - And Angie Nixon. And Angie Nixon. - Angie Nixon. - Angie Nixon, 2028. (audience cheering) - That's exciting. - Percenten. (bell dings) (laughs) - Percenten. - Invest in Florida, invest in the South. (audience cheering) Invest in the South, we saw that. So mine, this is not a score to settle and I don't really, it's not a glow to anything like that, but I just, I don't wanna take a moment to say that, so Nithya Rahman in Los Angeles. So she entered that race on the very last day. She signed up on the last day that you could submit. It was a pretty daring thing because the entire establishment of the city had lined up behind Karen Bass. Karen Bass also was hoping that she'd be facing Spencer Pratt in the general in the same way that she had preferred to face Rick Caruso in the previous election because Los Angeles is a very liberal city. But Nithya surprised people and made it out of that primary. 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(laughing) But he said something that I think riled people up and fed into a concern people have, which I'm obviously gonna ask about, so chill the fuck out. - They've already mostly sent me emails. - You know me, you know me, you know me. So, he said the American people, something to the fact that the American people don't want us to get even, they want us to get things done, I would say, this audience is made up of people that would like to get even. (cheering and applause) - Let's just have accountability for the murders of Alex Prety and Renee Good and Lorenzo Salgado Arralho. Like, there can be accountability and work on bringing costs down for working people. - Yes, I think the phrase even, I think is wrong, right? Like it, well, because of course the next sentence, which is the most obvious next sentence is something like we have to do both. Of course we need to do investigations and of course we need to prove the American people that we deserve this trust. Like that's the obvious next sentence. Those things are to some degree intention, right? Donald Trump says he wants to work with Democrats, right? But what he want, but what, obviously what he means is he wants to show Chuck Schumer the ballroom and get some praise. - Stephen Miller is really the wants to work with Democrats, Chief of Staff. - Exactly, and then he appoints Stephen Miller, so clearly he's, he's gurting for a fight, right? So how do you think about that tension, right? Because there's real stakes, the government may shut down December 11th, the Medicaid cuts go into effect at the beginning of the year. Members of the Robert Garcia congressman said, lawyer up, right? So these things are going to, Donald Trump is not thinking, well, they may be investigating me, but of course I ought to think in an even-killed manner about the best deal for the people. So what are we, what's gonna happen? - Well, there are some things we can do on our own, right? So the House of Representatives on day one can ban stock trading by members of Congress. (audience cheering) We don't need, we don't need Donald Trump's signature. We don't need committee time. - 'Cause that can be a house rule. - A house rule, exactly. That doesn't mean that, I mean, a law would be great, be great to have a White House that didn't either, but we could show we're serious. That we work for voters, we don't work for donors, we don't work for ourselves. Day one, let's go do that. Then of course we need to pass bills and put them on his desk to end this war and a run, to repeal the tariffs, to restore the healthcare subsidies, Medicare Medicaid on the exchanges and restore a snap. Let's tee those things up and put them on his desk and then he has to decide. Is he going to veto them or we're going to go after every Republican and build a bigger majority in 2028? Or might he pick a couple of things he'll do with us, we'll see. So we're going to put those things there, but of course we have to tee up investigations about the deals, Kushner and Whitkopf are making, (audience applauding) you know, about whatever Donald Jr.'s wedding, like we got to follow the money. And I just look, we can't sacrifice accountability on the hope that Donald Trump will collaborate with us on the things that matter for the American people. We should put him on his desk if he wants to sign him great, but we're going to push forward with what the American people send us to do. (audience applauding) And of course, that makes sense, I agree. But then I think, well, there is a trillion dollars of Medicare cuts, Medicaid cuts, that are about to really impact people. And it is absolutely the case, right? That the more fervent the investigations of Trump, the more there may be real consequences when Americans, and I don't have a resolution, I don't know, I literally don't have a, my view is to say, of course we were sent to investigate and we were, of course, sent to do these things. But if we are going to deliver on affordability or make a case that we tried and he failed, I guess is the outcome there, Bye bye. - What happens? - Well, I said those things, I think we should put on his desk first and quickly and have those fights visibly now. And that is restore the healthcare subsidies and Medicare and Medicaid and snap cuts and the war repeal the tariffs. Like those things should get on his desk quickly and we should make an anchor to an negotiation of some kind and a set. And if he wants to, you know, look, if he'll do one of those three things, we'll take it. Great, if he wants to sign one of those bills, if he wants to just restore the snap cuts, that means a whole bunch of people don't starve. So, but we don't have to really negotiate. We pass the bills, we put them on his desk. If he wants to sign one of them and do something with us great, assuming he vetoes them, we go for veto overrides and hammer the Republicans. - Yeah. - Because look, the healthcare cuts, right? Those are closing rural hospitals, you know, I mean, those are very overruled, you know, restoring, repealing those cuts is very popular in red districts. - I feel like we're in this moment where we're thinking about all the things that are possible. But if I imagine a few months from now, what we're in endless fights about are government shutdowns, scale of the budget, what can we sneak into a bill that Trump would sign that undoes chunks of this as we go, right? And I guess the point being, we get there, we get there. - I really do take your point. What we should not do is just go pass a hundred bills that we all love, that none of which are gonna happen because we wanna say we voted for them. I worry about this, this is the thing we do called HR1-10, where basically every popular bill for every constituency, and I love them all. I want the democracy reform, and I want reproductive rights restored, and I want the pro-act for labor unions, all those things, but if we package them all and none of them happen, but we feel good because we pass them, I mean, what I think we should do is pick great fights, where the vast majority of the American people want the same things, including the vast majority of people in Republican districts, tee them up in ways people can really see, and dare him to sign them, and hopefully he will. And yes, I mean, of course, I'm gonna support a presidential candidate that wants Medicare for all. But I wanna get those Medicaid and Medicare and subsidy on the exchanges cuts restored now. And if there's a way to do it, we should do it. - Yeah. (audience applauding) - Yeah, I don't, that all makes sense. It's more than I'm trying to. - There's gonna come to that moment where basically what is the line for where we shut down or not, and then there's gonna be a moment where everyone's mad at the leaders of the Democratic Party. - But I think you're asking two different questions and they're both interesting, because maybe there's a point in time where he says, I'll restore the health care cuts if you stop the investigation into Don Jr.'s wedding. So like, could that happen? Of course that could happen. It's Donald Trump, but you're gonna give me deals, I think, that I have. - We're gonna get there. - That's a little different from how we should deal with the budget. It seems to me on the budget, we need to let people know what the line that we're gonna fight for is. And I will say there, I mean, I don't wanna budget that funds any more of Netanyahu's wars, I wanna give more military aid to Israel. I don't wanna give any money, more money to the Department of Homeland Services, security, and pay for any more ice-off. This is to come arrest me and my neighbors. But I guess if I have to pick one thing, it is the health care cuts. Like, I'm not gonna vote for a budget that doesn't restore Medicare Medicaid, the subsidies on the exchanges and SNAP. And I hope that will be the point of view of our caucus. Let's go have that fight. They did it last year. Let's take it into the end zone this year and let's let people know what we're fighting for and win it. - So on Israel, you've walked, I think, a really kind of difficult path of trying to kind of understand where both sides of this very tense debate are coming from. And I guess I'd ask the same question to you that I asked of Abdul last night at the state of America show, which is we spent, a lot of this is a fight about rhetoric and borders within that debate and the feelings and genuine concern and fears inside of that debate. But we spent a lot of time talking about the bad things we're gonna be trying to stop, say, kind of military aid to Israel without any strings, et cetera. But there's very little space for what a policy would be that we would want, right? What does it look like for the U.S. to actually use its leverage and allyship in a positive way? And I'm curious what you imagine your role is in figuring that out. - I mean, thank you for this question. In an article this week, I got called for the first time, a pro-Palestinian liberal scientist. And I don't know if there are any others, but I'll take it. What I say is, I don't want to send any more military aid to Israel while they're violating Palestinian human rights and international law. But I don't think of that as an end or a divorce. What I want is Israel to honor international law on Palestinian human rights. I want to see Gaza rebuilt under Palestinian leadership. I want to see an end to the settlement enterprise and an end to the occupation. I want to see a free and independent Palestinian state. And yes, I want to see it alongside in Israel with the Jewish majority that respects the rights of its Palestinian minority. Alongside a Palestine with the majority of Palestinians that respects the rights of its Jewish minority, we could figure out later whether that's one state, two states, 23 states. It's got to respect every single person's rights, human rights rights to vote, freedom and dignity between the river and the sea. That's the North Star that we should have for US policy. We're so far from that that I don't blame people from saying, could we just stop paying for the bombs that have destroyed all of the schools and hospitals in Gaza? I was in the West Bank two weeks ago, and we're watching after cleansing right before my eyes. I was in a Palestinian, a former Bedouin village that six months ago had 1,500 people living in it. It settlers came and burned every single house and no one lives there today. So I really understand the passion. I mean, just today, I did my first year colleague letter, along with Daniel Bissens, Scott Weiner, calling on Israel to release a Palestinian journalist named Abed Abou Shahada, who on the very night, Tuesday night, when we were winning our elections, 15 shinbet and Israeli police officers broke into his house, ran sacked his home, he's in detention for conducting a podcast interview. So I guess you should be careful because the podcast host can wind up. So all I would say is-- I mean, I should be arrested for what I do. Thanks, but I hear you. We've got to do both things. We've got to focus on what we need to stop and we have to have a horizon of safety and freedom and dignity for Israelis and Palestinians that we could imagine as we say, Bimharaviyamaynu, speedily and in our day. Do you-- last question on this. Is there any shift, maybe because the election, maybe just because of the way the politics have shifted, there's obviously a lot of retrenchment, I think, and fear among some ardently pro-Israel people in Congress and outside of Congress. But is there any appreciation of the ways in which the ways that they're being an ally is harmful? Right, but they are failing to do what they-- how fast this is moving away from them? This might be a case where Hailey Stevens has done us a great favor, because I do think a bunch of people are like, I did not mean that. You know, that's not helping anything. So we'll see. I mean, I thought that when-- Rahm Emanuel will not be my candidate for president in 2028. But I do think that when he went to Israel and said, you guys got to understand the consequences of conducting-- well, he didn't say conducting a genocide, but I'll say conducting a genocide-- that that is not helping. And the same, I wound up in a little Twitter spat with-- I saw that. I saw that. I mean, I want a coalition government that has Gadi Eisenkut and Yehra Lapid and the Arab parties. And the joint list, so we can get rid of Netanyahu and start making some progress. But we got in that spat because he was like, we're not really going to change anything. We're just going to come do like a whistle stop tour. And I was like, let me give you one thing you could do. You could help me get Abed Abushahada released from detention without evidence. That would be one small step towards saying what we want is something that respects international law and human rights. And so yeah, I mean, I hope that the results Tuesday help us build something that will move step-by-step in that direction. Well, thank you. Yeah, it's the realization that people seem to not be willing to make, which is the only path to a safe and free Israel is one in which they reflect this growing consensus. Is a free and safe power sign? Yeah, exactly. [APPLAUSE] So you proposed a deal just now. In 2027, the blue wave rubber is going to finally hit the road where there's skid marks. There's Donald Trump, which is why we want to challenge you. And segment we're calling not a sweetheart deal. Here's how it works. I have a series of deals. You just say if you would take them or not, it's very simple. Deal or no deal? Deal or no deal. That's all you have to do. Would you accept statehood for DC and Puerto Rico? Rico in exchange for zero investigations into Trump family corruption. Interesting. Wait a minute. I'm in DC, I'm gonna take this deal, I don't know, you know. Now, how many of you, how many of your viewers don't take the deal, we'll do it in two years. Yeah, I guess that's right. That's interesting. Do the investigations, let's win a trifect in 2028 and make DC estate then. No deal. We'll see, Puerto Rico has to decide for itself. And of course, Puerto Rico has its own decision to make and of course we respect that, that is the politics of Puerto Rico, which I honor and admire. And I wouldn't want to suggest otherwise, would you accept a deal to restore all Medicaid cuts if Trump gets his name on the Kennedy Center and receives, and well then you're not gonna like the rest of the deal. Hey, this is our first negotiation, you might want to listen to all the terms. Let's stipulate that the audience wants no deals. Yeah. You accept a deal to restore the cuts if Trump gets his name on the Kennedy Center and receives a unique, one of a kind, Medal of Congressional honor for being a better president than Barack Obama. Definitely the medal, you know, he could have as many medals as he wants. Kennedy's center, let's just like keep him busy building a new wing. He can name the new wing whatever he wants and then we'll knock it down in 2028. Okay. All right, I think we'll call that a deal. We've negotiated it to a ballroom. All right, next, let's see, Trump stops trying to ban her persecute journalist, but in exchange she gets to hunt a journalist with a bow and arrow once a year. Keep in mind, he's gonna be bad with a bow and arrow. I'll offer to be the prey. Oh, wow. What a man. And we'll do one more, one more. Medicare for all and we add Trump to Mount Rushmore. (audience laughing) I'm a yes. I'll just tell you, I'll do the, I'm a yes. He hires, he hires the construction workers. Yeah. Yeah. (audience laughing) (bell dings) Thank you Congressman Lander. (audience cheering) We'll be back with a round of applause. Love It Or Leave It is brought to you by Hems. 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(audience cheering) - It is called World War Chee, which is great. - Yes. - Tell us about it. - Yeah, we're starting a podcast in the beginning of 2027, and it'll be a cultural podcast that meets the intersection of politics. We're going to have Curtis Sleewa advocate for trans rights, down to some other very exciting people within a culture, within the internet, within politics. So please tune in. It's gonna be really exciting. - It'll be awesome. - I feel like World War III is sometimes right now, so I hope that this show could be a place of refuge throughout all of this. And our journey to take back the White House in 2028. - So you recorded a kind of test episode with Curtis Sleewa, and it's awesome. - Yeah. - The Curtis Sleewa episode is incredible. - It is true. - And I can't wait for everyone to watch it. - It's gonna be great. - Well, we're really excited about that. And now, it is time for a beloved, love it or leave it classic, the rant wheel. (bell dings) - I think we don't have much to rant about this week, but we'll find something to complain about. We always do. So let's spin the wheel and see where it lands. (bell dings) It is landed on Chi. What would you like to rant about for 60 seconds? - Do you guys know gay people? So gay people have been doing this thing recently where they used to just like, you would say hi to gay people and they would kiss you on the cheek. And there's been this like change in New York City where you'll meet a new gay person. They'll kiss you on the lips. Just like, you know, a friendly kiss on the lips. And that's okay, that's fine, I guess. But I was at a Halloween party this past weekend. And, you know, I was at a pre-game and this gay person, I've never met, walked up to me and kissed me white on the lips. And then I overheard a conversation that they were having with their friend, like, oh girl, I was so sick this past week. (audience laughs) And then the next day tweeted about how they were in bed sick so they couldn't go out the actual, like, Halloween day. So my rant is, I think gay people should stop kissing on the lips and I think that now that we're taking back the house in the Senate, we could rehire Dr. Fauci so we could put an end to that. (audience cheers) And vaccinate all these gay people, I don't know. - Bringing Fauci back. Wow, woke 3.0, I didn't even thought about Fauci. (audience laughs) Somehow, Fauci returned. (audience laughs) Let's spin it again. (upbeat music) That's me, Heather, 60 seconds is yours. - Okay. The richest person in the world, I'm sorry, the greediest motherfucker in the world. (audience cheers) Sorry, mom. What I really need to happen is all of the beautiful dedicated public servants whom he gleefully fired for no reason whatsoever. (audience cheers) I need them not just to have their jobs back, but I need him to personally cut the checks. I want him to personally cut the check. Like, Giuliani had to pay $150 million to that mother daughter, Georgia poll worker couple. Like, Pear, that's what I wanna see. I wanna see Elon Musk literally cutting checks to these women and men with like 100 degrees who just wanted to work at NASA and wanted to work at HHS. And a third of them are black women. I wanna see the checks. (audience cheers) (bell dings) - I didn't know these were supposed to be political rams. - They give you whatever you want. Mine's not gonna be political, mine's not gonna be political. Let's spin it again. (bell dings) But gay people can't kiss on the lips. (bell dings) - I blew my mind. - Brad Lander, what would you like to rant about? - Well, I was gonna do Stephen Miller, but I can't top what Heather did. So instead, I'm gonna rant about the use of the word nuance. (audience laughs) Neuance is doing a lot of work in the American Jewish community these days. Like, you'll be at an ownag Shabbat. You know, that's where you get the coffee cake and the bad men in Shabbat's wine. And you'll say, like, I don't wanna pay for all the 2,000-pound bombs that destroyed all the schools and hospitals in Gaza and someone will say, "We need more nuance in that sentence." And I mean, don't get me wrong. I love nuance. I'm like a 57-year-old Jewish former New York City controller went to the University of Chicago like, "Neuance is my hope for its granality." (audience laughs) I put footnotes on my footnotes. But like, nuance is having your hands full of two whole things. Like, we're gonna fight anti-Semitism and we're gonna defend Palestinian human rights. It's not like one hand out here and like, like, other hands so infaring your pocket. Nobody could hear you say it. So I would just say to American Jewish community, keep the nuance, lose the mute button. (audience cheers) - The word, I feel that. The word, the work that the word nuance is doing. I agree with that. It's load-bearing. (audience laughs) That's a shot, GPT would say. All right, let's spin it again. (upbeat music) Here's, it actually flows from what you said, she, which is, I think we need to just maybe cool it on calling every inanimate object, she. (audience laughs) I was looking at a microwave and the person at the store said something along the line. lines of like, she's defrosting, she's reheating, and it's like, what are we doing? I saw a pie that I wanted to make on Instagram, and it was like, she's gorgeous, she's, she's giving pie. What, I like, I actually mean it, like, why, what, what does, in the same way that I think it's fun to think about like, why we put so in the front of a sentence sometimes, even though it serves no purpose, or even like, why do people say, well, instead of well, because it adds a bit of a thud and a sense of acceptance, strange, well, why, why, why, well, what's the P doing? It's interesting. Let's stop calling all the enamored objects she. I think there's something wrong with it, and I think we should stop, thank you. What about the animatronic bird that Kelly Clarkson tried to buy? Did we, was that a, she, she's gorgeous. That just never got resolved, that just faded away. It's fun. Yeah, the midterms happened, and we all just moved on. Loot tsunami, just washed it off. Loot tsunami, yeah. The bird is wrecked somewhere up the river. Well, I'm so grateful to our guest tonight. Everybody give it up for Bradland or Heather McGee and Chio say, and we'll be right back. And we're back. Thank you for coming out tonight, and before we go, I do want to give this beautiful live CrookieCon audience a chance to join in the fun. In one final segment, we're calling lib laugh love. Here's how it works. I, I'm going to come out there, and I want to hear what you really lived out about. It can be something living out in your life in politics, something you're looking forward to. All titles for this segment was called Living Out Loud, Add Lib, Lib and Let Lib, Lib and Let Die, Living the Dream, and Libbing our Best Lives. You guys ready? All right. All right. All right, come out. Raise your hand if there's something you want to live out about. I'm going to start there because you were so excited. What's something you'd like to live out about? So yesterday, another 1,017 people are unionized at the National Institute of Health, and we're only going to get more. Great. Cool. That's awesome. Here. What's up? What do you want to live out about? You got it. I'm not kidding over the mic. It's a dangerous mistake I've made in the past. I, I'm from North Carolina. I was invited by a friend to write postcards for Western North Carolina, and I was like, yeah, whatevs. And Chris Wallace won. And North Carolina went blue for the first time in 15 years. So next time you're invited to write postcards, do it. Nice. Thank you. You want to do one? Yeah. Yeah, we're here. Go here. I volunteer with Wisconsin Democrats, and on top of getting a 5-2 Progressive States Supreme Court over the last couple of years, this election, we have a dem trifecta, dem governor, every single statewide race, flipped two congressional seats, Wisconsin devs knocked it out of the park. Cool. That's great. What do you got? Our Virginia Fox is about to lose North Carolina. Yeah. That's great. Okay. I want abortions for everyone, codifying row is not enough, we need abortion access. That's what I'm rooting out. Yeah. I just want to say that, like, I'm a liberal, but I think abortions only for people who want them. Okay. Coming over here. Hi. Hi. Last week, I convinced a young mother to get her three-year-old vaccinated. Oh, great. I'm going to go deeper. Okay. Coming to you. What do you got? Welcome to Washington DC. We're about to have a 38-year-old Democratic Socialist as a mayor. Cool. My fifth pro bono habeas client got released from ICE detention yesterday. Cool. Let's go over to you. One month. One month. Hey. I was on the phone with one of my best friends, Becky and Cleveland, Ohio, when Amy acts in one governor, and fuck me, that won't mess with me. Today, there was a public update about my senator, Chris Murphy. He's been released from the hospital, and it's expected to make a full recovery. Yes. It has been really, you know, Chris Murphy is somebody that has fought so hard to get here. He's one of, like, the best leaders in our party, and it's, like, it's so unfair that he's missing this incredible moment, but we'll celebrate with him, and I was really glad to hear that. So that's great. What do you got? Those people won seats across the country, and four states then have a very good chance of overturning their gender, affirming care acts, which is great news. We're in California. We still have ours, but I hope for other people in other states. Great. I added this young man over here to the electorate. He voted in his first midterms, and instead, this is not a blue tsunami. It's an orange crush. Oh, I like that. I like that. All right. We'll do, like, two more. This is Ewa Lee this weekend, I'm going to shout out Pia Danya in Florida, I'm going to shout out, I'm his son, Arizona first, and I'm going to shout out Nithia Roman in Los Angeles. I'm from California, baby. Happy New Year, Ewa Lee. Yeah. All right. That's a good place to leave it. We're going to leave it there. We're out of time. We'll all live out on our own time. Thank you all for being here. That is our show. Thank you to G. Osay, Heather McGee, and Brad Lander. We'll be back in LA next week with, with old Mary director Sam Pinkleton and comedian's Guy Branham and X-Mail. There are 731 days until the 2028 elections, have a great night, and have a great week out. Love it or leave it is a crooked media production. 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