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So valuable is obviously the best way to improve athletic performance and fitness mostly involves exercise. You want to get stronger, you lift heavy, you want to be honest with me. Obviously. Yeah. But there's always there's always a caveat there. Right. There's always an asterisk at the bottom, which is you can't do more than your body can adapt to. You can't do more that continues to compromise recovery when your recovery is such a precious commodity. Right. Otherwise, we could just work out all day long and you would just continue to improve your fitness. But you're limited with how much you can exercise by your recovery and your ability to adapt. And that can vary depending on what's happening in your life. If you have more stress in your life, your job is difficult. You got kids, whatever age. All of these things compromise or reduce your about your body's ability to recover and adapt. And so you become limited. It's like, okay, I'm working out four days a week or three days a week. And right now that's like perfect. I wish I could do more to improve my fitness, but I can't work out harder. I can't work out more because when I do, I get kind of fried or I start to over train. Well, these are things you can do that have proven benefit data proven benefits that will improve your fitness that don't compromise your body's ability to recover. I'm excited to talk about these because I see your first one and I'm curious to the I know that there's research to support this. And I was actually talking to Katrina the other day about this. The first ones the sauna sauna post workout in particular. So I'm curious about what and I don't know if you know this off the top of your head or you have access to it quick because I'd like to find out as we were talking about this. Now my theory is that a lot of the benefits come from the adaptation process and the stretching the capacity at which you can hold a higher temperature for longer. So like when you initially if you if you don't sauna or have experienced it like consistently before the first time you get in it, you'll see like a man 180 is really hot and 180 for 20 minutes is kind of tough. You do that long enough and then you could push that to 190 than 200. But even like right now like when I push like crazy temperatures like 222 30. I'm like I'm having to like control my breathing and I'm so I'm having to work at like calming down and being able to handle that to get to that. And I couldn't just go right to that. And so my theory is that that's where a lot of the benefit comes from not just like doing the sauna once or twice. It's that it's the adaptation process of getting better better at it. So where where does that start for somebody? Do you know if it's like at a certain temperature, a certain amount of time like where where the benefits start to kick in and like the studies that I have pulled up are short three weeks one month, two months where they see traumatic improvements. And and mostly in VO2 max endurance is when you see these huge improvements in a short period of time. But there we go. This is also the very big sense. This is also what carries over though to because we know what some of the you know the cardiovascular benefit cardiovascular endurance and benefits that you get for longevity. This this parles into the longevity benefits. Right. Yes. Same benefits that you're arguing is going to improve performance and your workouts are also what play a role in longevity. But improves blood flow right. That's a big part of the process. But then too, I would imagine because of you know the heat tolerance and all that when you approach fatigue in your workouts as well, you must have a bit more endurance. So here's what the study shows. So there's there's a few here that I have pulled up and they're really good. They're really good ones here. We have one was cross over study, which is good. So both groups experience both methods with sauna without sauna and it was what they did it was 30 minutes of sauna after training. So after they're they're running. They went in the sauna for 30 minutes. It was at 90 degrees Celsius. What is that Fahrenheit? What's 90 degrees Celsius Fahrenheit? Let's see what that temperature is. So this was 12 to 13 sessions. Yeah, it's it's I don't know what that is in in Fahrenheit. I have no idea. Let's see what that is. But anyway, it was 12 to 13 sessions over three weeks. So over a three week period. 144. That's almost 200 degrees. That's hot. That's very that. So this is my point. Okay. This is why I wanted to bring myself this is for my wife selfishly. So we because she she doesn't like it much more than 185. Yeah. And and she's and she's out, right? And I keep telling her that like you need to try and work your way up. I get it. Even if you incrementally just do it from 1805 to 1807. Like because I what I was pretty certain of this. Most of these studies are like 194 plus is where the benefit were that are done there. Yes. However, I think I would speculate and I would support this. I would be surprised if this was different. I think it needs to be hot. But it needs to be hot for the person. So I do think like well, yeah, but it's like the same way you would scale a workout. That's right. I mean like obviously I'm just because I think the study or I knew the studies were higher. I would be like, hey honey, go right to 200. She's having a hard time. She passes out. Right. No, I feel like a benefit. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, listen, if you're 185 and that's hard for you to do that for 20 minutes. Hey, next time you get in trying to do it at 187 and try and try and incrementally working. Yeah, I think you're I think you're spot on. I think but here's what the study show. This is what's crazy. Okay. These are competitive male runners. So they're already athletic. They're already fit and everybody knows this when you do a study on someone who's already fit getting more performance gains is more difficult. It's really easy to get an endurance gain with someone who does no exercise. I could do a little bit of exercise in three weeks and see these huge the needle. Huge performance gains from someone who's sedentary. You take a competitive runner boosting their endurance beyond what they're able to do on their own. They're already very difficult barely even razor heart rate. It's very difficult. Here's what they found. This is over three weeks 12 to 13 sessions run time to exhaustion at a 5K pace rose 32%. So 32% improvement to exhaustion. That's a 1.9% better endurance time trial performance, which is huge. Plasma volume went up 7% red cell volume up 3.5%. So that was in competitive runners. There's more studies on this but every single one shows these huge these huge gains in VO2 max and endurance, which is phenomenal. This benefits everybody. Even if you're not an endurance athlete, you're you like to strength train your these these VO2 max improvements are going to give you better lifting sessions. Oh, yeah. We better stamina way better stamina and you're not running. I'm not on the treadmill. I'm not out there compromising recovery. In fact, the sauna probably is a net positive when it comes to recovery versus compromise. Well, I mean, I brought this up one that one of the last times that we talked about sauna used to and just my experience with it to the other benefits that I think aren't included in this study too that play a role in performance play a role in recovery play a role in longevity. and that's like this.
disability to go into a room for 20 to 30 minutes where you're not going to have your phone. You're going to be sitting in silence. And like we just don't do that anymore. Do we disconnect from the internet in silence? It's a form of meditation, especially for somebody who doesn't, maybe not have good practices in place of meditation. Don't sit down and sit in folder legs for 20 minutes in the dark and just sit in. It was no psychological stress. Yeah, it's like you just go in there and because I can't bring my phone in there and most of them are smaller rooms or whatever without your buy yourself. And it's like with your own thoughts and there's got to be some serious carryover and value to that when it comes to recovery, the mental health benefits that are coming with that. I just think it's a, if you have extra time, you want to improve your fitness. You don't want to compromise recovery, but actually might want to improve your recovery. For me, it's a no brainer. It's an absolute no brainer. If you got the extra 20 minutes or whatever, go for it. Here's another one. It always cracks me up because when I see the studies, the studies always confirm that this works, but it sounds so weird. Visualization. He's so great. Visualizing yourself performing a perfect squat or practicing free throws. Whatever the skill is. Tell me you have the free throw study. Do you have that? I don't have that. That's such a good one. I wish I, I always, you're better at that regurgitating exactly what it said, but it's the one where they, one player basically practiced the free throws. The other one just visualized it. And the other guy did nothing. Did nothing. And the guy who just visualized performed as well as the person who shot all the free throws. That's so crazy to think that. Well, if you, if you, so you need to understand how this works. So the way this works is so much of your athletic performance. There are actual like, you know, nuts and bolts things that are happening in your body that contribute to strength and endurance. Like this muscle fiber size. There's glycogen that you can store. ATP production. You know, how strong your bones are like all that stuff contributes to your performance. But there's another component, which is this massive computer that controls all the movement that that pushes the buttons, right? That tells your muscles when to contract, how hard to contract, when to relax, the positioning of your body, right? So much of, of, of technique and skill is position and all that stuff. That comes from your brain. Yeah. Yeah. of pattern recognition and you're banking all that into your subconscious. That's right. So to give you an example, I've done this many times, I know you guys have. I've taken many clients who already strength training quite a bit and I've watched their technique on let's say a bench press, which is very technical exercise and I've changed just a couple of things in their technique and have them add five pounds to their bench, right then and there. Yeah. They like hit a new PR because they got them to maximize their technique. You can do this by visualizing. Well, what is this look like? This is cool. It's cool. What can you do? Well, you're in your workout. You have to do in between your sets, rests. You know what you could do in your mind. Practice the perfect, whatever lift you're doing. The perfect press, the perfect overhead, the perfect row and visualize what that's like. When you get into the set, you're going to be better. Well, I'm sure too, just like a neuromuscular wise, like the recruitment process itself, just the focus of it and that intensity of focus around it, like what percentage, you know, let's say 15 to 20% more muscle fibers you recruit as a result of you just, you know, activating that. I'm wondering too, like you guys remember a free order where I don't know if they were like at the body shop or whatever. They were messing around with like neural feedback where you had like a dot on the screen and you kind of just like, it would train you to basically like respond and everything and to visualize more effectively and get you kind of zone, get you like into the zone a lot. That's what I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. The full of the study. This is one of my favorite studies, I think it's so amazing. So it was. And I can't remember how many shots it was though. It was like a thousand shots in the day or something like that. Physical practice, visualization, visualization only and no practice. The physical person who obviously shot the thousand free throws or whatever it was got 24% increase improved. The visualization people got 23%. Almost. Almost identical to the person who actually went in and put the reps in and did. Physical reps. Insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. Now here's a deal. Physical practice. You're going to get more physical adaptations. It's combo it. You're going to get much more. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The study show that. Combling is the best, right? But you know, you're physically throwing a ball, the strength gains and all that stuff. You're going to get more of that. I feel like. But the skill technique of the free throw. You know, it's crazy with this also highlights, which I think maybe you guys can relate to and in a certain aspect of your life or we know somebody who's obsessed about something. And that's part of probably why they became so great. I think about it all the time. Yeah. Hyper-phobic. Absolutely. Yeah. Name whatever said thing. Like it's like you obsessed over it. You're visualizing constantly. Totally. Thinking about it. And it talks to, I mean, this is just a perfect example of like how powerful that is. Totally. It's just constantly thinking about it all the time. Here's another one that everybody knows, but doesn't know. I think we all know when I'm going to say it, everyone's going to be like, oh yeah. Of course. Music. Music has this incredible measurable effect on athletic performance. Increased time to exhaustion. Changes in perception of pain. Music has this profound impact on everybody knows this. Like I said, when I say it, of course. But the studies on this are incredible. My favorite of the reduced perceived exertion and benefits and strength endurance and high intensity. Essentially, the pain that you feel, the exhaustion that you feel, music changes how you perceive it. Yeah. Because there are real pain signals, but how you perceive it is part of how it feels. And so, yeah, a personal example for me, you know, I grew up watching the Rocky movies. Love them. Talk about them on the show all the time. Absolutely. Love them. And one of them was so instrumental with my workouts because when I first started watching this movie, I also started working out. It was Rocky IV. The one where he fights the Russian. There's all those, those compilations of him. Yeah. Running high. Yeah. And so I have this like association. Like when I hear that those montage songs, I remember the movie and how it made me feel as a kid and it's right around the time I started working out. Yeah. Till this day, if I'm doing something to exhaustion and I feel like I can't do it anymore, if that song plays, literally what happens to me is I get the chills, I literally feel the chills and I can keep going. You know, it's funny. And it's all because of the perceived, my perception of the pain change. I have very similar, but it's from cry to kid and it's the best around. And I'll play that every time. Because it's the words. It's like, if you know some nostalgia, but yeah, it's just like, you're the best. Get ready to kick ass in the whole valley. It's so awesome. It's just get into it. Except your Johnny. Yeah. Yeah. It was an illegal kick. So yeah, get in that. It's actually one. I love that. You know what I used to do back in the day. So when I first became, I was in this, I think it was a senior sales counselor. I wasn't even an assistant manager yet. So I'm 18. So it's what years is 1997. And back in the days, it's the 24th fitness song, Hills, the old one. It's not even there anymore. And we used to, the general manager's office controlled the music. And there were, we had a back then we had like, it might have been satellite where you could pick up stations. Yeah, satellite. You only had like 12 or so. Yeah, like certain stations. It's also a CD player that you could play if you wanted to change it. Nobody ever did that. It was always satellite. But I used to have fun with this. So the old GM office was by the front desk and it had glass tint. And if you looked out, there was the cardio. So back in the day, the rooms were all divided. So you had cardio room, then you have to walk another room for a free. But the cardio was right when you walked in. And I used to do this with my staff. I'd have them come in the office. And I'd be like, watch this guys. And I turned the music off. So you'd see people running the treadmill. So they checked it out. Watch them running. I said, watch this. Turn off the music. But take it on. No, I put Rocky. Oh, Rocky. Yeah. The Rocky one. You know, the famous one, right? Yeah. And I hit place. I watched this. See, I give it 36. Watch the effort. Bro, people be running. 30 seconds into the song. Everybody's turning the speed up. Everybody on the treadmill. We would start cracking. That's arms going up. I love it. It's a great. It does affect you, for sure. All right. Next one. This is a chemical enhancement. The caffeine is the most consistently supported, immediate improvement, athletic performance, or gigendicate. This, it works. It works. Everybody knows it works. It's about three to six milligrams per kilogram of body mass. This is what the whole industry has. What the data shows. You know, it's very well studied. It's interesting. I haven't used a pre workout in a long time. Probably a year and a half, two years. Maybe longer since I've used it. Really? Yeah. I consistently have our energy drinks. And by the time I actually get to my workout, I've capped myself at my course. That's right. Because you have early in the day. Yeah. So I shut it down. I just keep using caffeine. I don't even use it. But I had a workout on the weekend the other day. And I had only had my cup of coffee in the morning. So I'm like, oh, I got 400 milligrams of caffeine to spare. So I'm like, oh, this will be a good time to have like a 200 something milligrams. Cool. You get, so it's funny how that adapts. Because I'm drinking these hundreds and whatever, you know, milligrams of caffeine to shot. And then also do a 250 or 300 right before your workout. Oh, right before the workout. And I'm reminded of like, oh, wow, I forget how effective that is. Yeah. I just, I hadn't had, I hadn't done that in a long time. And in my head, I'm going, oh, I've been consistently taking 600 milligrams caffeine a day. So what's this 250 going to really or 300 going to affect me in a workout? But I hadn't done it all in one shot like that. And it was just like, oh, whoa, this was, you feel it? it's such a immediate
- I gave my buddy Justin, he's the guy I train the ER doctor. I gave him a pre workout. 'Cause sometimes he does shifts and he's like, man, I'm so dead and so hard. I'm like, are you okay with caffeine or is that gonna mess you up? And he's like, no, sometimes it's good. So anyway, he sent me a message the other day. He's like, my face was itching, but then it went away. And I was like, man, I was on fire dude. He's like, you're taking a pre workout. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? It's a blast. - It's just cool. - It's a blast. - Last is a good night of sleep. The data on this is pretty remarkable. There's more data on poor sleep than there is on like a good night of sleep, but poor sleep is so detrimental to athletic performance and in particular, injury risk. - Yeah. - Almost nothing you can do will raise your risk of injury more than having a crappy night of sleep before. - Your body is hard work out. - Does not respond the same. - No. - It's just, yeah, it's a real big problem if you don't get good sleep. - I don't know if it's because this is something in the last few years that I've just tracked so consistently for so long now, but I can routinely predict I'm gonna have a good workout based off of my sleep patterns. I mean, I can, like I can see. - Connect to the doctor. - I can go, okay, 87, 85, 92 scores. And I'm like, oh, this workout's gonna be good. Flip that. I can have a 70 sleep score, 65 sleep score, 80 sleep score, and it's like, ooh, I don't know how good this is. This is a hit or miss, or then I can have like a back to back bad sleep days and it's like guaranteed terrible workout. - Yeah, you know. - I mean, is that predictable for me? - Yeah, I literally like scheduled out at time to do the PR when I was doing the whole series and all this stuff and like, I was basing it completely off of like the two days prior that I got sleep. And it was like, I actually moved it out because I was like, no, I just, I didn't get that optimal sleep. And then once I got the optimal sleep, you completely felt that and you're like, oh my god, today's the day and it's just, you know. - You know where I feel at the most is in my mobility. If I have poor sleep, I am. Like, it's like my mobility goes down like 15%. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, so my mobility stiffness, I just feel, that's how I know I can't push the weight on a back to back like bad rest day like that. And it does, it takes two good days. Even one good day, like I feel okay, but I, and then I'll get a workout in, but it's not told that's the second good day in a row. Do I feel like? - That's what I'm humming here. - I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna hold this to time. - I've just noticed a huge difference from that. - Speaking of stiffness, so, (laughing) - That were you saying just, - Sorry. - He's open like that. - My bad, doing stiffness. - I got a shout out the Organifi Crating Shoes, okay. So I've tried lots of Crating Gummies. - You're so good. - There's taste the best. What there's has in it. So it's got, it's got really good dose of Crating. There are five Miller grams. - It's the tart cherry, it takes a minute. - It's five grams, it's the tart cherry. - Yeah. - You guys know what it's effects on inflammation are? - No, I remember you telling us though. - It's phenomenal. - Yeah. - It's phenomenal. So I'm using theirs as my primary source of Crating because of, you know, I'm due to Jiu Jitsu. So I need the anti-inflammatory effects. So that's the source of Crating, I'm going to-- - You brought that up. - And they're formulating this whole thing. - They also taste the best. - Yeah. - They have the best texture. - Yeah, they taste the best. I know we had the debate the other day, but I was just like, I think the Organifi Crating Gummies are the best tasting. - By far. - By far. - And they're sourced by Crape, right? - Yeah, they're Crating they have in there, does it? - Yes, they're at least so. - Yeah, it's well sourced. - Jiu's always got good sourced. - Yeah, 'cause you know what sucks about Crating Chews or gummies is when they do third party testing, bro. So many of them don't have a single ounce. Not a drop of Crating. - Crazy. - They're selling candy. It's a lifter. I'm telling you what's Crating. Not only they're lying, but they're also just selling candy. - Yeah, I wonder now too, 'cause you know, back a little bit, I remember they said there's like a shortage happening now because everybody's like on the protein cake. Now the sourcing must be even more like riddled with shuck's themselves. - Yeah, Crape up here is one of the best sources of Crating. - I heard ways going up in price, right? - Way too. - Is it spiking right now? - Yeah, well, fitness, Crating, way protein or protein in general is going mainstream. Part of it, I wanna say is, I think fitness media's done it. It's just more mainstream, but I think a big part of it is the GLP surge. More and more people are aware of the potential muscle loss from GLP. And so they're all looking, okay, what do I do to prevent muscle loss, increase my protein and then Crating. - And it makes that make sense, 'cause liquid shakes are so much easier when you can't eat. - That's right, so 100%. - I gotta share with you guys. So I just signed up at a different gym because it's close to my house. Jessica signed up with the kids, 'cause they have an outdoor pool. And we're trying to teach the kids how to swim. - The summer? - See, every guys that have been to Avaq? - A long time ago. - Okay. - So you're not going to the other one? - Yeah, I said close it for now. - So I'm gonna test this other place. - What was that like, by the way, started on to catch your story? - To freeze it? - Yeah, it was no. - Yeah, it was cold. - Ever back in the days, you used to be like, hold on, let me go get the man to do it. Just mad you go, it's gonna be about this, that you're bringing a note in. - Yeah, you feel out of, feeling at the form? - You can get the facts this year. - And write a letter in the whole, you're going to be back to work or home office. Anyway, no, that was easy, but, so I don't know this, Avaq's been there for like 40 years, I think. - A long time. - It's a long time. Anyway, it's a great, yeah, it's a great facility, right? They got lots of stuff in there, but it's been there for like 40 years. So the reason why I wanted to maybe work out there is it's closer to home. And it's easier for me to go there and then come here, type of deal. Plus I like to go there on the off days with the kids anyways. So I'm paying Davey, so I'm like, I'm like, I'm just going to go there and do a little bit of the stuff. - I'm just going to go there and do a little bit of the stuff. - I know it's clean but it's all older equipment. - Did you see it? - Did you see it? - By the way, this is just last week. Joe DeFranco's story. - No. - I was totally -- - Did you talk about that? - I was totally -- - Oh yeah, I was totally -- - So he was at -- I wish he would have seen a story. - He had all of them. All of the old chain. - Okay. - Oh yeah. - And so -- - He was doing the video and he showed the puller machine. I'm like, oh, greatest machine. It was all the chain. - All the old stuff. - All the old stuff. - Something you could think of. I had found it where it's at. - So everybody in our age group is in a story. I don't know if he did it on his post. - So. - You might be able to find it. - So it feels way better. - Listen, you run into guys in their 40s, 50s, 60s who've been lifting away their whole life. They will all say the same thing. The equipment back in the day. Obviously free weights are the same. But the machines back in the day were better. Now, I chalked it up to nostalgia. I'm like, maybe it's just because I have an association. - No, no. - Whatever. - They feel better. - Okay, they are. So again, I went to the -- - I went just because the chains are dangerous for people. - Yes. - So I looked it up. I actually looked it up because -- - That's why, right? - Well, there's more to it. - Okay. - So I looked up, you know, why, you know, basically, is it actually different? Or is it just my own nostalgia? - Yeah. - Because I never really researched it. But I always felt it. And it's true. Old-school machines, they were designed for bodybuilders and lifters. So when they designed equipment in the 90s, strength training was not nearly as mainstream as it is today. The people who lift the weights in the 90s, a lot of them were like, "Famatics." And we knew this. Like, when I managed gyms in the late 90s, the cardio space was -- that was like the -- this is where you took your potential members. Strength training. You know, people on lifting weights back in the day. It's just not a lot of people did it. Now, the footprint is changing. The footprint is more strength training, less cardio. It's people figure out and, you know, start to learn how effective it is, how great it is, or whatever. But equipment back then was designed purely for athletes and bodybuilders. It was not designed for space saving. It was not designed to be safe, or to switch easily, or to clean easily. It was like -- there were tests that on guys who were like serious lifters. Like, this works. That's why it's so different. It feels different because it's better. Yeah. It's better for lift and lean. It's just harder to lean. You know what I'm saying? It's just more space. What's funny is that they did all these changes and stuff like that for all the reasons you were talking about. And it's like, those old ones last forever. Yes. I mean, we had some WD-40s about all usually to keep those suckers going. Like, I'm saying, where I felt like they've felt ones, and all the cable shit ones are always were breaking down the gym. You remember the gym? There was always three to five machines down the gym. And that was part of your job was, how fast could you get these things repaired? So I just -- so this is what it says here also, older commercial equipment used heavier gauge steel, more robust frames, and simpler, over engineered mechanics built for high volume serious training. They were designed with bodybuilders and strength athletes in mind. And then much, you know, current commercial equipment prioritizes lower production cost, easier maintenance and high traffic settings, quicker user turnover, aesthetic finishes, and reduced injury liability. All the lame stuff. But it's true. Like, I'm using this older equipment in the outdoor area. And I'm like, oh, this feels good. If we had -- I've got to have a little danger here. If we had the space, I would be so down to collect these. Bro, like just slowly -- Just refurbish it. I would. Could you imagine opening a gym, and it's all vintage. It's all refurbished, vintage strength. We probably would just have that sort of a different liability waiver. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, lift at your own risk. You're a sighted off, you can even design the inside of the kitchen by -- To look vintage. You know what I mean? You could put lights in the ring in the old stuff.
- Yeah, yeah. - Walking there, everything's, you know, changing. - It would be cool. I mean, even if we just started like slowly, like collecting them, like the pullover one and the donkey calf raise, it goes to 600 pounds. (laughing) So slowly just collecting all these great old, old school machines. - Yeah, I'll be down. - I love it. - No, I totally, I know. - Man, I have, that's something embarrassing to admit. - Oh. - Yeah, no, here we go. - You know, I'm super nervous. - Can we guess? - Yeah. (laughing) - What's embarrassing? - Where do we get so big? - I don't know if I watch you to guess. (laughing) I'm like, no bro, I wasn't gonna say that on the podcast. - No, no, I'm just kidding, no dude. - No, it's not. - It's another injury. - I, uh, no, but it's along those lines. - Oh, no. - No, well, it's what it is, is that, - Does this have to do with your pickleball? - Yes. - I like it a lot. - That's what's embarrassing? - Yeah, it's embarrassing to admit that I like it. - It's awesome. - Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of like, you know, it's like the sport they say that, like, if you can't play tennis, you play pickleball, - Of course. - Yeah, you don't have to move. - I mean, I was drenched in sweat, so you definitely get a workout, but it's like the perfect level of intensity that I could have, I didn't stretch. I just, to old ladies. I just got out there and played and had fun, competitive, sweat my ass off, and I'm like, and I didn't have to prime for 45 minutes. - I've been holding out 'cause I know exactly I'd have the same sport. - You would, I would love it. - I was so reluctant and I'd been, and I had multiple people tell me, I mean, remember we had Stan Eferding, that was like, - Yeah, he's obsessed. - Everywhere he travels, he has to go find a pickleball cart, and I was just like kind of laughing about it, whatever. So I've had lots of people tell me, - Our good friends. - You have your Fanny Pack and your new balance. - Oh man, I'm already, yeah, I'm already, I'm already went out, scoped out, we're all the courts. - Oh yes I did, good fun. - Are you gonna compete? - No, I'm not gonna compete, I'm gonna play. - They have competitions. - Oh I know. - No, no, my buddy plays all the time. - You may have levels of competition, he's super into it. - It's like anything, right? - You know, it's definitely. - You're for sure to sponsor you. - I don't know, hold on, you're gonna compete. - I know the whole way you can. - What I wanted to do, and I, - You don't have a, - This is gonna bother me for so long, is that I have it, - I think we could watch you compete. - The competitive side of me, I don't know. - I'm just saying, you don't know how to knock him out. - Yeah, so it's, so it gave me a taste to that, and I went, oh, this is, this is gonna be cool because I don't feel nervous. Now get credit, you can hurt yourself doing anything. But the level is definitely, you know what I'm saying, like it's like, - Did you get sore? - No, I'm good. - Yeah, that's what, I didn't get sore. I didn't hurt myself, I didn't warm up, and I got a great little workout, and I had some competitive. - So it's like bowling with gutter guards. - It's like, it's just a step, so I, - He's talking crap, bro. - You're gonna go play this, I don't have to, - I'm gonna hold it out. - Hey, I'm recruiting him next, dog. I'm recruiting him next. - Hey, can you guys please compete? - Well, I, - You have doubles, can you get it? - What, I'm trying to work on, - I think I did change his tennis court to a pickleball court. - Well, yeah, temporarily. Ultimately, I want it to be his tennis court. - I'm gonna compete. - Add a kicker, yeah, we're gonna be in doing it. - Adam closes. - No one's gonna play tennis. - You know what you're gonna do? - Exactly, you know what I mean? - It might be a multi-firmalist court. - You know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a multi-purpose court. - Okay, okay, we'll see, we'll see. - You know why? 'Cause we're all, you know what I mean? - You're willing to chip in and pay for it. - Well, I would consider it. If I get a gate key, I get a gate key. - It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun and I had not played yet. Obviously. - I'm so bad when I want to watch you guys come. I'm late to take you. - I'll cheer for you guys. (laughing) - Just I'll sit. You'll have like, - It's my first time. - It's my first time, so I'm just like learning the rules and all the things and how to play it stuff like that. - Is it like the same rules as tennis, just with a pickleball? - Similar. There's some little bit difference. Like the serving and the points and the, like, tell me a pickleball word that's for only pickleball that I don't know. - Get out of the kitchen. - No way. - Yeah, I don't even know what that is. What is the kitchen? - Okay, so the kitchen is considered the front part. Okay, so what you can't do in pickleball that you can do in tennis, but you can't brush the net and spike it down. - Ah. - So the kitchen is that, you'll see in a pickleball court they have that problem. - So you have to stay out of that. - You can go in and-- - There's a line you can't spike down. - You have to go underhand. - Oh, you can't spike down. - You can't spike down if you're in the kitchen. - Okay. - That's what they call it the kitchen and there's all kinds of slang around that too. Like, you're like, oh, you left the refrigerator door open 'cause you know the expi, there's like all this talk that they do. Oh yeah, there's this hilarious. - Were you playing people you know? Were you in a really good-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good friends of ours that have it. They have a pickleball court on their house. And so, absolutely. My first time in epic experience to play pickleball court. - You know, it's cool about all these different things. For sure, there's gonna be a kind of shoe that you need to wear. There's a type of uniform. You're gonna get into all, 'cause I've never seen you get into anything. (laughing) - And not get all of the stuff. - You get the gloves. - You're gonna get gloves. You're gonna get everything. You get the embroidered jacket. - The visor or whatever. - That's why I'm embarrassed to make, 'cause it looks pretty silly and ridiculous, you know what I'm saying? So, who knows if I go that far? - They just kill the movie. I watched it. - I watch it. That's how I know all the lingo. 'Cause I don't know it from the one time of playing pickleball with my friends. - Okay. - But I watch the movie, the movie. Say the premise of this, it's a comedy. It's a, it's a, Ben Stiller comedy, right? - Mm-hmm. - And it's cheesy funny. It's like, it's a good throwaway movie or we got nothing to watch, watch it. It's funny, but it's not like, right off the bat. - It's not on par with like Dodgeball or-- - Dodgeball was, to me, was classic, you know, 'cause it was so original, but it is like, in that vein. - Okay. - And the premise of it is, which is, what I find, what I think is interesting about it is, this is probably really happening, and it never once dawned on me, 'cause I'm not into this until now. And it's this tennis club, like really high-end, fancy tennis club. They got like 30, 40 courts, kind of like what we have over here, the racket and lost gato, sort of like that. But all these people are wanting to convert the tennis courts to pickleball courts, because pickleball is becoming so popular. And I was like, oh, I bet that, I mean, pickleball is like one of the fastest-growing sports right now. - It was piss off, rich people. - And I bet a lot of tennis clubs are don't get a lot of traffic, and it's probably a lot of times tennis courts are empty, not being used. I mean, I've been over the last couple of times, many times it's seen three courts not being used. It happens all the time. But pickleball is so crazy right now. You can't even go, you go find me at pickleball court somewhere, it will be, someone's using it right now, middle of the day, all day long. Like that's how crazy it's become. And so this whole comedy, it's about this, like the old car over. - Yeah, the old guard trying to hold on to, this is a tennis court place, but then all these people moving in, and they're slowly converting these tennis courts over to. - I did tell you guys, they played in a dodgeball league when I was in college and then afterwards for one. - Oh, that's fun. - Yeah, it was a good time. We're a team ball-steam. - Ball-steam. - Yeah, why? - Yeah, from Zilander. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to love mail models. - Do you guys remember Nation Ball? It was a type of dodgeball. Do you remember that? - No. - Nation Ball? - Yeah, I was called Nation Ball, and you had someone on the other side that was on your team, and they tried to throw the opposite direction. And anyway, it was similar to dodgeball. That's a fun sport. - That was so much fun, dude. - They don't let kids play that anymore, right? That's so cool. - It's cool. - Yeah, you can't do still the bacon. You can't do red rover. You can't do-- - I understand red rover. I've seen a few broken arms. (laughing) - That's why they got cry closets. - But dodgeball was like, then again, used to blast. - Oh, yeah, you could hammer. - You could blast away. - I could still smell the red rover ball. - You're the sound of the red rover. - I can't do it. - When you hit the face. - I get the hurts. - The way it dates. - And the way it hums, too, through there. - Yeah, real good one. It'll leave some of those marks, lines, like checkered. - Isn't that funny how this stuff, I thought, like a smell or a sound or something that they could stay with you for that long? - Yeah, I know, I can tell you. - I was gonna say Adam, when you're playing, 'cause if you're gonna play regularly, try taking the TRO scriptions TRO MUNE before. So that's the one for immune system, but it's for stamina, too. - Oh. - It's got the really, really high extract. - I mean, I have that. I wouldn't think to use it for that. - For stamina, it's really good. - Is it because it's got the core sets? - Yes, but it's got the compound core sets, it's got the highest amount of the active ingredient that I've ever seen. - Oh, interesting. - Yeah, take that before you go play and see if you notice it. - Oh, interesting. - Yeah, I'm gonna have some more sent to us, 'cause it's all gone, 'cause I'm gonna take it before Jiu Jitsu. - They're going away from retail and only medical, right? - Only to practitioners, that's gonna be switching. - So when the audience hears this, - Get it, as soon as you can, 'cause you're pretty soon to be able to get it unless you go through an actual and we should probably announce that, because I know at one point our customer, there are the partnership that we have with them will the advertising side, you'll hear it freeze on the show, but not because we don't need the product as amazing, it's because they're no longer gonna be selling to direct a consumer and they are going through practitioners. So when you no longer hear us talk about it, it's not a matter of, it wasn't a great partnership, it wasn't a great product. It's that they are just going away from direct to consumer and straight. - You know why? I know you know him a little bit better than I do. - No, I'm not 100%, but it makes sense from this standpoint. Their supplements are the most medical grade, I think that's maybe the best word to describe that I've ever seen. Like, they're dosing is high. It's like medical grade. Yeah, like if you take their supplement, if you want to feel something, then you could try their stuff. You'll feel it. Like all their stuff, I think, - Well, this is why these little box only comes with like four of those little squares that have them. - I mean, each one you can break into four other. - I wouldn't even mess around with any other methyl and blue though, it's not. - No, no, no, no, yeah. - I've tried other things. - Yeah, no, I know it's not. - Oh, I didn't even think about it. I still have some of that at the house too, so I could totally do it. - I'm still taking that. - It's pickleball's cool, dude. (laughing) - It is. - It's just gonna circle back, dude. - It is. - I liked it a lot more. - Well, we got that one in Campbell, and they graphed the freeway, and I just signed up, - Dude, that used to be a fries everywhere, guys.
- Yeah, they're up. - They turn that into a whole thing. - It's blown up like crazy. And I get it now. I get it because, and it was awesome because Katrina and I played on a team together against another couple. It's our first time playing. - Yeah, for me to be able to pick up a sport with my wife the very first time and we almost won. So like here we are playing somebody. - You know what, it makes sense. It makes sense because exercise that includes socialization. - Yes. - That also has a lower risk of injury. Makes sense that it would go through the room. - That's what I get it now. I get why, 'cause I always, I looked at it. It's kind of cheesier just like, well, it's this, again, probably with the stigma as, oh, these are people can't play tennis so they play pickable. - But when you understand that part of it, it's definitely like social fun. - If you can combine exercise with socialization, you have hit the gold. I mean, that's for the average person, like if your fitness fanatic doesn't matter, like I'm gonna work out no matter what. But the average person is not a fitness fanatic. They don't fall in love with working out. And with the data shows, the most consistent people are people who are not fitness fanatics or ones who do some kind of exercise and there's a component of community. - Well, I gotta tell you, I'd rather play pickleball with Courtney and then go in teaking. - What? - What's it? - What's it to do? - Horrible. Have you guys ever had to do that? - What is it? - Is that where you go around looking for antiques? - Yeah. I didn't even know it had a term. - I mean, I think the term antiquing is actually something else. Like, they remember these to take like, I don't know if it was baby power or even they hit you in the face with it. That was called antiquing somebody. - Why do you, wait, what do you mean remember? - That didn't happen. - That was a thing, you guys don't remember? - I don't remember that. - No. - It was a thing. It was like, you know, when everybody's planking or like this was like a trend. - Oh, it was? - Like the cheese one? Like the cheese one where you get through the cheese on your face. I don't know why with the thought process was with it. - I didn't know that was called antiquing. - Doug put, was antiquing throwing baby pattern someone's face? - Yeah. - Yeah, just fact check me here. - I don't, so that was a thing. - That was a thing. - I thought you were trying to attract you. - Yeah, we're doing it. - That's how I just hijacked your story. - Make sure, yeah, make sure I'm not just speaking out of truth. - But now you got all curious about throwing baby powders. - No, look that up, but like, what I, - Wow. - That's true. - Yeah, you're right. Just to make sure. - Of course I'm right. - Class is a classic right. - Oh, that's where all that's right. - Oh, yeah. - I remember it now. - We're just sleeping. - I think. - Never throw it up. - Yeah, just run up on them and just throw this white powder and it just pulls me in face. - Now I understand why it means antiquing, because we have white powder all over yourself. - Yeah, it looks like it looks like a ghost. I don't know. - I'm gonna do that. - That's what we call for the throwback. - That's just cheese. - I'm all like, right? - Yeah, remember that term and nobody knows. - Cool. - All right. - Anyway anyway, so yeah, so it's like. - History lesson. - I'm not a lot of people. So that says anything. It's just trash, dude, like come on. Like, anyways, I'm a little tainted by that. But so like, we're only doing this because we're trying to, like, get stuff to kind of decorate, like these shelves to make our house more presentable. We're going to put on the market, you know, do all stuff. And so you, like, have to find an AI is great now because you can kind of like, you know, at least find an idea of like some things that could fit those needs. So, like, but now you have to hunt for it. It's like, it's not obvious. And like, there's only a few amount of stores. So this place in SoCal, there's like a few of these antique stores. And like, I mean, they're always like, well, ladies, I'm like, look, like shifting through like, the elbowing somebody into a product. I almost broke some like, vase and I caught it and, and I was just hot and sweating. And dude, it's just an awful experience, dude. Did you get, did you get, you guys find out if we wanted that? I, we found a few things, but it was just, like, you know, I think people get like a thrill out of it. Oh, I know some people love them. Some people love hunting up for a piece like that and finding it for a bargain. Yeah. Like, that's what it is. It's just like this would have been what would be $100. It's crazy. They would sell it for this. Is there anything that you guys would really like that's old? Like, is there anything to be into? Oh, I love. So we have, and we have it in our house, Katrina's, which old furniture is cool. Very cool. It is cool. It's well made, heavy, durable, well made, yeah, with the, the wood. Yeah, we like hurt. We have the one we have in our bedrooms a hundred years old. And we resandered it, refinished it. When I first, when I first did it, it was hard for me to wrap my brain because I'm like, I'm paying more to refurbish this thing than I could for a brand new. Yeah, but they're made so sturdy. You're right. And then when it was all done, they refurbished it so up to date and style now that it looks modern, but it's like heavy wood. And so that's an antique thing that was, that's really that, you know what I love? That's like old stuff. And you don't, you can find originals that are really expensive, but you can get copies. But I don't know what it is. I'm fascinated by old war propaganda. Oh, my buddy is into the old, old planes. He's a, he, the, where Mike, one of the, the Camaro's at, right? In the garage. It's one of those big, huge ones. He hangs old airplane wings. That's so cool. Yeah, yeah. And he finds airplane old parts that are like, so cool. Yeah, yeah. He's like super into that. I also would love, like I love something. I've done this before, while I'll look up old supplement labels and old gym equipment and all like that kind of so I could see. Yeah, I'm having some of that stuff. You probably all records. I'm sure like records and maybe like tobacco pipes and you know, stuff like that. Remember we all remember we all are like, it was me. It was me. It was me. It was me. Did I do? Right. It's excellent. You know what? I'll tell you something. Yeah. Having like natural sales skills can sometimes be used because Adam's done this a couple times where he gets an impulsive, you know, itch and he makes us jump on like, what was that? He's gonna be pipe smokers now. Well, there was that right when we first moved. We all bought pipes. When we first moved into this, there was a smoke shop. I like that phase. We were in. Yeah, I lasted like three days. Yeah. We were cool. We did it for a lot. You know what it was. It was also back in the day with the business was still early years and we didn't have a bunch of. We like three times. Yeah, it was like four of us. It's four of us. We had a record a couple episodes. We were smoking. We were smoking. We were spilling. Not to fight. We're finished on the park. Oh, God. Yeah, because the store was there. It must have just been around a time too. And I was into that. You know, it was probably personally into it. Then I brought you in. I think everybody was like, oh, yeah. I want to. I wanted to pipe. It wasn't hard to come to. I got in the cigars right after that. And yeah, so I was like, I could probably get back into that down the. I got to share with you guys a peptide that I got from our partners at MP hormones. So it's all you can take it orally. I think I told you guys about it. It's a four. So it's called five amino one and Q. And what it does is it inhibits the an enzyme that breaks down NAD in the cell. So in other words, you take it and you get more NAD in the cells naturally. And it also encourages like thermogenesis. Okay. So they could take white fat, for example, make it act more like brown fat with more of a thermogenic effect. Anyway, they're capsules. So you don't have to inject that you buy their capsules. The dose is between 50 to some people will take as much as 200 milligrams. So I started at the 50. And I noticed like a little bit more energy or whatever. And so I'm started scaling up just to see. Today, I used 150 milligrams before my workout. And it does boost metabolic rate. Right. So I took it. But I was sweating. That's how you always know what I thought. No, like really sweating sweating. Like a lot. And my body was hot and warm. I'm like, whoa, now it wasn't uncomfortable. Yeah. It was just noticeable. Yeah. So like and so people take it for energy, but people also take it for fat loss. And I can see why I bet you I bet you it would probably increase my caloric expenditure by 100 or 200. Well, there's something about that. It doesn't sound like a lot, but that's like, that's like 20, 30 minutes cardio. There's something about that breaking the sweat earlier too. Like that once you break your sweat in anything, whether you're doing like a run, cardio wise or training, it's like, I feel like there's like a switch that happens where you're all sudden, like, I'm into the workout. Yeah. Getting to the sweat sometimes is a little bit of effort, work, and you're dragging your feet together. And then you break that sweat. And then it's like, okay, now I'm in my in my floor. But I could see like, you know, because there's always there's always the promise of like fat burning supplements, right? Make sure body burnt more calories. Really one of the only ways to really do that with something is to increase energy expenditure. And naturally, and when that happens, it has to get released somewhere. And so the way it would get released is through heat. And there's a lot of thermogenic supplements that supposedly do this, but they really don't do much if anything. They might be stimulant, they give you a little bit of energy boost, but you're not going to like, man, I'm telling you, yeah, this was like your heart. Yeah, it was just, it was just sweating. Yeah. I could definitely tell it was doing something. So I'm going to look up some more, some more studies on it. But I have to estimate, I would estimate based on how I felt. Like it's, it was probably probably a hundred more calories just from. Interesting sitting there. Oh, you should try, you should track and see what it is. I'm going to track. I am. I'm going to track and see what that is. Are you guys kids back in school? Did it bring you back? Yeah, Bree heads back on Wednesday. You're Sunday go back? No, no, no. But she doesn't start for two to three weeks. Oh, she just goes back early. Yeah, dude, I got something for you guys since you guys have the college students. New degree, did you see it? What does that have you heard about it? It was AI influencer. Oh, it's a degree. Yes, colleges are, yeah, look up the college at first one. They said I want to say it was Arizona. Don't get that degree.
- Please, bro, and it's gonna, it's gonna, - It's gonna sweep the nation. - It'll sweep the nation. - You know what though? We might be able to get honorary degrees. - Well, I guess. (laughing) - Hey brother, we're gonna be hell of a party. - We'll be doctors. - Yeah, that ASU. I see, I thought it was. I thought it was Arizona. Here's the thing about colleges. Is that they're gonna capitalize on anything they can. - Yeah, whether it's a worthless degree or not. - Unless we honest, there's more worthless degrees than influencer degrees. - Yes, I would agree with that. - Yeah, a hundred percent. There's people that make legitimate money doing influencers that, I mean, so that's, I mean. - But with, everybody's like, huge dropping. They're gonna have to come up a little more. - Tell me this is not going to be one of the hottest degrees. - I mean, tell me, what are the stats on kids already that wanna be, what are you asking, what do they wanna be when they grow up? What do they say, YouTuber? That's like 60% or more or so on that? This is gonna be one of the hottest degrees at colleges. - Yeah, I'm gonna call it this. - Can you believe that? - I know, I can't. - Wow, graduates are prepared for careers as contents, strategists, digital marketers, and podcasters. Adam, I'm telling you, you and I might be able to get an honorary degree, dude. - We should contact you. - We should be guessing the end over there. - Why don't you reach out to it and offer a, - Okay, I don't say that. - Each guy's gonna teach a course degree. - Actually, it's not a bad idea for us to potentially put our name in the hat to go talk over there. - Yeah, I mean, it's an opportunity, even just for the podcasters. - My guess is a lot of these professors who are teaching this really have no real experience. - Well, just like, oh my goodness. - What's new? - I know, yeah. - I mean, no, I'm serious because I'm all theory. - I remember taking a sales class at university. - Yeah, the guy never sold anything. - He never sold a business course when the guy never started a business. - Yeah, he was teaching you all these alternatives. - Alternative advanced clothes. And I asked the guy, I said, what kind of sales experience do you have? He goes, well, I've actually never sold anything. (laughing) - Just widgets, theoretically. - Exactly. - Wow. - Yeah. - Wow. - Isn't that crazy though? - Yeah. - Give a big A. - Speak in a education and stuff. You guys see what they did in California? Did you see, you should know this because your kids. - What? - When kids-- - 12 year old thing. - Browse such bulls. - You cannot get access to your kids' medical records without the permission anymore after the age of 12. Your kids can lock you out of their medical records. - Not only they lock you out, they automatically-- - I agree. - He has to get a letter from your kid. - You have to get-- - You have to ask your 13 year old-- - To write a free letter. - For a permission slip. How crazy is that? - Isn't that insane? When are we gonna start strangling people? They automatically get to legal right. You have to go get them to write a legal permission that your parents can see there. - This is insane. The state owns your kid. - No. - Not the parents. - This is the most insane thing I've ever heard. Ever. So now your kid can literally like, no, mom and dad, you can't see my medical records. - That's preposterous. - Okay. And then what do you do? Ground 'em? - Yeah. - What do you think they'll do? - I'll tell the-- - This is just in California. - California, of course. - This is crazy. - No, wild. - I saw the same thing horrible. - I was like, get outta here with that dude. - They can sign a form. That's the sign of release. - I just said. - And automatically goes to the kid. - It's so cruel. - The kid has to sign a release for the parents. So the kid has to ask them, please let my parents have access to it. - This includes mental health counseling, substance abuse treatment, and sexual health care. - The things that are most important that the parent is involved in. - Right. - That's more important than anything. - Yeah. - That if my kid has to get some kind of substance abuse treatment that they're doing some kind of sexual health, my 13 year old has an STD locked out. I can't know. - What a crazy world. - Yeah. - Crazy world. - Upside down. - Yeah, who voted for that? - That's why I don't think. - I don't think anybody did, dude. - Nobody. - No, man. - Nobody's going for any of this stuff. They're just doing it. - California is just crazy. - You want to talk about more crazy California stuff. So I'm up in Sosolito heading up to Tiburon, right? This last weekend. - Swear to God, okay. I've talked about this before. When I remember the first time, I remember the podcast that I was way back when here in the Bay Area, how you'd seen homeless people with like cell phones and stuff like that. I just was like, this is so weird. You have like an iPhone. And you had a sign for money. - Dude, I had a QR code. - Yeah. - I've seen that before. - Is this, it was this big. And he was all, no sign. Any other, just-- - Resourced full. - Just holding a giant QR code that I can hit from driving in traffic. - Wow. - Is that wild? - Yeah. - That's cool. - By the way, if you have a QR code, means you have to have a link to go to a phone, which has a link to a go to account, which is like-- - It's a whole economy. - Isn't that crazy? - Yeah, that's wild. - That's wild to me. - I wonder if they have to pay taxes on that. - That's-- (laughing) - That's like, that's like strip. - California that come get you. - That's it. - Yeah, I don't care if it's homeless. - Here's my wish list on that. - You've seen that. I have never seen that before. - Oh, I never go over there either. - Yeah, that's the first time I've been at home. - I mean, someone can have a cell phone and all that stuff and still struggle and need help. I get all that food or something, but that's ridiculous. - Yeah. - Well, what's crazy to me is that they're gonna have to pay taxes on that, which will really be hilarious. - They're not gonna have to pay taxes. - Why not? - Because they don't make enough money. You see, the people don't make a lot of money, don't pay taxes. - Oh, okay. - All right, that's true. - Yeah, you'd have to be getting what over 30 or 50, what's, what's, - Yeah, I'm not sure with all the standard deductions and everything, but you'd have to be making at least $15,000. - Yeah, but to South's point though, he'd have to file. - That's it. - So what a track. - Yeah, so, well, as soon as you're over 10 grand, you've got to file. Now, if you are under 35 or somewhere in California, you won't pay any taxes, but you've got to file. - Look. - Yeah, so if you have a QR code, obviously you have a bank account. - That's right. - The bank account will see all this money coming in. - Yeah. - And that would be considered, you know, income. - Yeah. - So I would think so if they state is able to track that, which I'm sure they probably are. - I think so too. - Coming soon. - Now, I mind you, I don't think they go bug 30, probably the paperwork and everything. - When everything's digital, be easy. - Yeah, so if you looked, have you looked how much skid rows grown? - Yeah. - Like neighborhoods and like, - It's like a mini city. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But what I'm just getting at there is just, there's a whole economy to this. - Yep. - So it's like, you know, it's different than what people realize. It's not just like a need. It's like, this is a whole, like we're inviting a lot of like incentives here. - Yep. - 23% in a single year. - It's surged. - Almost a quarter. - Yeah. - It's insane. - And it's not shrinking. - Now, and there's a lot of money. There's a lot of, this is gonna sound terrible, but it's true. There's a lot of NGOs. - There's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of money in, quote unquote, helping the homeless. - Well, yeah, billions of dollars in public funding. - Yeah. - So the question is where is that? - Where did it go? - Yeah. - Look up the audits. They don't exist. - Yeah. - They can't show where it went. - It's going to a massive void. - They're going to the same place that the rail system went to. - Oh, yeah, same, yeah. - So how many tens of thousands of people is that now? - It's gotta be up. - You could just look up how many homeless people in Los Angeles. - As much as a city. - Yeah, I mean, I thought I saw this. - Lots of me, it's its own city now. Like, and they have their own structure. - Yeah, so, so it's a 50 block area and it's 3,845. - Look, a total neighborhood population. - 9,015. - It's literally like Mad Max, like status now. - Yeah, but total, total, if you put homeless population of LA, it's a big number. Or homeless population of California is a massive, massive number. - Yeah, it's crazy. - They actually should, I follow this one guy who's like, he posts up like this is, he shows like examples where we spend money. - Whole city itself, 45,000 people. - 45,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone. - Just companies now advertising on tents. - Untents? - Untents. - Do you remember what I was saying? - I was like, I'm just saying this. - You remember early buying pump, like the first few years when I talked about signs? I talked about that being a business where it's like you got these guys that are always up and down on the streets, they're holy signs anyways. They need to make money. - Yeah. - And as a business go like, hey, I'll pay you like a, remember what we're gonna, I told you, we're gonna do that back in days with MindPover. - Yeah, but they were like, that's probably, that's what we didn't do it. I'm pretty sure Doug shot down. Doug's like, it's probably, it's point like, it's not a good look. - Yeah, it's not a good look. - Yeah, I thought I was like, - But now companies are doing that. - 182,000 in California. - Yeah. - You know, what people need to realize is this, is that if there is a way for politicians to bring in money that sounds virtuous or is easy to convince people of. So in other words, if it's like a scary thing, or hey, this is to help, - This is to help, this is to help this thing and everybody's like, we should help the situation. - Yeah, people in the street. - And then they just, - Be steel for them. - It's an easy way to manipulate people. And that's exactly what they did. California loan. - Well yeah, what was billions of dollars for this? - And it gets worse. - It was really sad what the, - The theft, it's really bad. - The annual dollar amount per homeless person was that we spent. - Well, you know those private companies that have tried to build, many homes for them have tried to do that. And the state shuts them down. - Yeah. - They said, no, you can't do that. - We have to do it. - Yeah, because yeah, they need to prove that they're doing something with the money, which, you know. - Yeah, and what's just, - It's $1.5 billion divided, or no, the direct massive amount of towards Christ. - So $37 billion towards housing and homeless. - Yeah, it's just $2,019. - Oh, it's just $2,019. But divide that by what was it? 140,000, 140,000. - 100,000, 100,000. - What is that per person? - Well, it's like six figures. It's like a six figures per person. - It's wild. - It's like, it's obviously how did we fail that miserably that, because you could have put that person in. - Because you as a good taxpayer say, yes, I need, I want more help here, but you don't see what it does, where it goes, how it's worth it. - Of course. - Of course.
the problem gets bigger and so this is the perfect situation for a politician. How much? Like a grander person. Yeah. So per year, if they're spending 100, 1.5 billion. Yeah. Anyway, my point is, my point is, if a politician, this is why it's so perfect. It's a, it's a virtuous issue. People are like, we need to fix this. The problem gets worse. Politician comes back and says, you guys, we need more money. Yeah, it's just more. And it just the never ends more money. And if you oppose it, if you're a politician says, hey, we're going to cut this homeless fund in half. There's accountability. We're going to. So you're right, Adam, 42,000 per person annually. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. Anyways, sorry to take us down this road. Thanks for just asking. It's just, it makes me so happy. Well, I mean, I'm guilty too for bringing it up first. I brought up the QR code that I just was just never seen. I was, I've never seen that before. I mean, I remember bringing it up on the podcast. And I'd seen the first like iPhone person. But do you think that the average homeless person is seeing 42,000 dollars? No, that's my point. My point is if they did, I mean, imagine what you can do for somebody. That's a life changing amount for someone to make zero dollars. Yep. Yeah. Sure. You know how seriously we take gut health? Well, we've devoured countless episodes to the probiotic. The best one we found by far is seed, seeds daily, symbiotic. It combines 24 clinically validated probiotic strains with the prebiotic that comes in a patented capsule that survives digestion. It delivers the live probiotics all the way to the colon. Most probiotics never even make it there. Seed is totally different. Beyond digestion, it supports things like gut barrier integrity, skin health, heart health, micronutrient synthesis, the crosstalk between your gut and your immune cells. 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But because of what I learned from you guys, I went into both pregnancies focused on fueling my body, staying active, and trusting the process and not letting fear of weight gain and losing progress affect me so much. And that shift in mindset really made a huge difference. So thank you for all of that. Awesome. How can we help you? So I've updated my question a little bit just because I submitted it over a month ago. But currently 12 weeks postpartum, I'm breastfeeding and getting about five to seven hours of broken sleep each night. It varies a bit from one day to the next. As I mentioned, this was my second pregnancy. Both were healthy overall and I trained from start to finish in both pregnancies up until the day before I delivered. I did maps programming completely through both of them. After my first pregnancy, I did map starter completely and then ran maps 15 programs up until I got pregnant again. And then after my second baby, I began map starter again a few days postpartum. But after about five weeks, I was starting to feel that urge to do a little bit more even though I know you guys are always cautioning against that. But also was really drawn back to the 15 minute per day format just because it worked so well for me. So I did switch into maps 15 performance. I was training very conservatively in phase one, but when I got into phase two when I submitted my question, I was feeling actually really good and starting to progress the weights a little bit. Despite the inconsistent sleep, I was getting a little bit of muscle soreness, but not saying that made me feel like I was overdoing it. I'm currently in phase three and have continued to be able to increase weights where I feel able and I'm continuing to recover pretty well. I've also been doing some pelvic floor and core recovery work throughout the day when I have time. I'm getting 8,000 steps a day, eating 25 to 2600 calories a day, and I'm exclusively breast feeding. But honestly, some days still feel like I could eat more. The breast feeding hunger is not something people talk about enough. So I started this pregnancy around 152 pounds delivered around 167 and I'm back down to like 155 right now. Weight loss isn't my goal. It's just kind of happening and I just trust that my body composition will continue to improve as I gain strength. As any woman does, I would like to see some development in my legs, glutes, and shoulders, but I know that will come from just getting stronger. My main goal right now is just that like to get really, really strong. As a mom of two boys, I want to be as strong and capable as possible and showing them from a young age that exercise and lifting weights and taking care of your body is just a normal part of life. So with my question being given the broken sleep from having a newborn, I have been feeling good. Is it realistic to keep trying to progressively build strength right now or should I really just be focusing on consistency and letting strength come as sleep improves? And then as I mentioned, I am still feeling hungry a lot of the time, even though I am eating quite a lot. So I'm just wondering if I should consider increasing calories or continue just eating based on appetite. I know from what I've learned from you guys how much sleep plays on cravings and things I've been eating really well. I give into my cravings from time to time obviously, but I'm really tracking to make sure I'm eating enough, but also being mindful not to overdo it. What's a lot of calories? What are you eating? Where are you at? 25 to 2600. Okay. Okay, it's not too bad. And my kidding protein every day, that's my number one. If I hit protein, if I get to the end of the day and I'm like, hey, I've got 400 calories left, I might eat some ice cream because that's my weakness. Yeah, yeah. I think you're doing great. Yeah, I think to stay the course. I wouldn't change anything at all. And the way I would approach progress is like this. Because the sleep is still pretty broken, I would approach it like this. Consistency, technique, feel good. When the strength comes, it's a welcome surprise. So I would chase the strength. But when it comes, it's like, this is awesome. The fact that you're getting stronger and that you feel good and that you're eating 2500 calories and your body weight is down to, you know, kind of where you were, pre-pregnancy is phenomenal. That's a really a testament to your health. And so I would just stay the cool. I wouldn't change anything. No, I wouldn't change. The fact that you're getting stronger now is telling me you're doing a great job. The only mistake you would potentially make, Laurie, is to try to push it. Yeah. You had to make it happen faster. Yeah. It would be the mistake. But right now you seem to be in a good balance. You feel good. It doesn't sound like you're feeling burnt out. Strengths come in. Your appetite is up and your body weight is good, which is actually a good sign. You're eating your protein targets. You're eating mostly whole foods, right? I am actually. So that was one thing that I thought about a few weeks ago. Just because of timing, I was often having a protein shake for lunch and then finding in the afternoon, I was really hungry, but then thinking about everything up there from you guys on my K, I really need to try to get that from even if it's cold chicken out of the fridge and even just making that switch to prioritizing whole food for that lunch meal, even if I have to eat a little later, that has made a difference in making me feel fuller longer and not having cravings as much too without the shake all the time. No, you're great. You're totally great. And if you're hungry by the end of the day, I would stick to another whole food meal. Yeah. Lauren, you know where your calories were pre-prainency? Oh, like the most I've done on like a regular basis was like 2200. Oh, wow. You're doing good there. Yeah, you're doing great. I've always been scared to increase, but then, you know, going into, I didn't breastfeed much with my first son. I didn't get really great milk production, but this time has been a lot better. So I was not prepared for how hungry I would be. So I just kind of was slowly increasing and I was continuing to feel good. I'm pretty mindful not to use the scale too much because I've had a bad history with the scale in the past. So I use it mostly for data if I'm in a good mood day that I know it won't affect me. But yeah, I just, I really have been trying to be cautious of not overeating and just like worried that I was maybe just more hungry because I'm not sleeping well. Like the sleep isn't always good. I wouldn't worry too much about that, Laurie. If you're sticking to whole natural foods and you're hungry and you're in your strength training, I would eat. I would eat when I was hungry. Are you drinking enough water? You mentioned the milk production. I drink a lot of water. Good. And then you add electrolytes that can make a difference for some women with breastfeeding. They'll throw some element in there and make it easier. And I have been. Yeah. So element in Canada, elements really expensive here in Canada. Otherwise, I totally would, especially because like I know they have the ready to drink ones, but I do often get like the red men relics I get it on Amazon. And it's like 800 milligrams of sodium. That's fine. Because I have low blood pressure. So that's why I like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You know, Laurie, you're kicking butt. Yeah. You're doing great. You're totally kicking butt. When your sleep gets better, I wouldn't add anything.
would allow your strength to just climb. And the fact that you're getting stronger now is such a good sign. Everything you're saying is good. There's like zero concerns or actually zero changes. I wouldn't make any changes what you're doing. - Well, that's just a testament unto you guys 'cause it's mostly everything I've heard from you guys. - Great job. Yeah, wish I could give you some advice for you to do. - I know. Stay the course. - Yeah, great. - It's reassuring to be able to do it. - Call over the boys right now. You got one that's like one and a half or? - Yeah, so my first he'll be two in September. I can't keep track of the months anymore 'cause now I have the little one. So he'll be two in September and then my youngest is 12 weeks. - Well, you're gonna need all that strength and energy for a few years. - Yeah. (laughing) - Good for you. - Keeping up with them is a lot, but it's fun. - Good for you. - Doing great. Doing great. Thanks, Laurie. - Okay, thank you guys so much. - Thank you. That's great. - Is the estimates that they put out about breastfeeding accurate like eight to 900 calories more a day, or woman burns when she's breastfeeding? - Yeah, I'm aware of that. - Sure, that's the estimate. - That's the estimate. - I've released a 600 every 500, depends. I mean, it does make a difference. I've also read that it's overshot, but I think the way to gauge it, because so with Jessica, she had issues with producing enough milk. And so we kind of dived in deep. And the way you judge it is, are you producing enough milk? And sometimes you gotta increase your calories in your water. And that makes a difference. So with Jessica, I remember with Dalia, we really had her drink a lot more water and it made a big difference. - Oh, that's a range in a half right there. So AI kicked off 300 to 700 calories. - That's why I said so different. - Yeah, yeah. - I've heard of high-series, 900 calories before. But that's a huge difference. - But I think sometimes, - But even, I mean, that's a meal or two more for a small female. That's like another, that's either one big more meal or two meals. - But the other thing to consider to Adam is like, we say, we'll go right in the middle, say 500 calories, right? If someone's like, oh man, I'm breastfeeding, my metabolism's way faster. And they're not sticking to whole natural foods. - Oh, I can overshoot that. - You can overshoot that. - Super fast. - Oh, well, you add that to, I mean, great awareness on her part too, to know when you have poor sleep. - That's right. - So poor sleep, your metabolism is kicked up a little bit and now you're craving like crazy. And so yeah, no, I think that's where the eating for two thing came from. Our next caller is Nadi from Georgia. - Hi Nadi. - Hi Nadi. - Hi guys, how you guys doing? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. How can we help you? - So I'm having a bit of issue. Okay, I'm just gonna read my question if that's okay. - Yeah, sure, sure. - I mean my original email. All right, so my name is Nadi, aka Nadi. Well, Nadi aka Nadi. Hi. I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous. - Yeah. - Oh, good. (laughs) - I'm a 37 year old female, 5.5. Currently at my heaviest around two 24 pounds. My comfort spot was usually around 165 on 75 pounds. I work as a local and a modal truck driver, pretty much go in and out of the rail yards all day, to a front customers. My schedule starts around 5 a.m. I usually work long days between 12 to 14 hours. So the biggest battle I'm having is after a long day of work knowing, trying to figure out if I should go to the gym to do a workout, just go home and sleep or just try to recover, eat, what to eat and something like that. So I've been inconsistent with training for about two years. I started going back to the gym around December of last year. I was pretty consistent with the job that I had previously just because I spent most of the day sitting in a truck and not really moving around unless I'm making an effort to move around. I was working on a construction site so I can't really move around too much. But now that I'm back doing like trucking, I end the truck most of the time, but I do get to hop out and move around. So I sort of get 5,000 to 6,000 steps a day. And so basically my inconsistency, I'm sorry. My main goals are fat loss, strength, better energy and to get back in my life and order physically and mentally. I have ran maps programs before resistance and antibiotic in map 15. I did do antibiotic twice. I do have other programs from you guys. At work now I try to do like a couple sets of squats and pushups in between whenever I get in and out the truck just to get I guess trigger session. I'm currently running anabolic now, starting on face to this week. And so my issue basically is I'm trying, I overthink a lot. I have like analysis paralysis. And I have an issue with consistency with my schedule and my days. And I have a really weird appetite. Sometimes I don't eat. I don't have an appetite. And sometimes I get cravings. So like I'm all over the place and I just need to know like where do I start, what to focus on. At least for now between now and the end of the year, I don't really have a end date or goal. I just want to get back on track and get healthy pretty much. And I also wanted to know if like G.O.P.1 is an option for me, what's my case. - So now to just the paraphrase, it sounds like, and just correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like the biggest challenge is consistency and that's largely due with your schedule because your work schedule is so, can be so difficult. - Yes, consistency with training and nutrition is like the biggest thing. - And then just to add, you said about your appetite is not weird, that's actually very common. Where someone's like, on the go, no appetite, no appetite, and then it kicks in and then you're like starving. - Yes. - Very common. That was nothing weird about that. Super, super common. Okay, so the number one thing that we need to consider, which is actually the number one thing when you consider for most people is consistency. It's not the perfect routine or the most effective routine. It's what? - Okay. - What is, what am I going to be able to do reliably? - Yes. - Yes. - Okay. So I'm going to throw a couple of things out here and you just be real honest with me. - Okay. - I know you start work early and I know you get home 12 hours later or something like that. What is more realistic in terms of consistency for you? Would doing something short before you get to work be better for you or when you get home from work? - Afterwork. - Okay. So we'll start with afterwork. I don't think a long, map, center ball, like style, three days a week workout would work as well as a short, maps 15 style workout. Two exercises, that's it. - So afterwork, you go in, and you have a home gym or do you go to a gym? - I have a home gym, a full home gym, barbell squat, squat, rack, dumbbells and everything. But I do also have access to a gym. Sometimes I like to get out of the home environment 'cause as soon as I get home, I just want to decompress. So like I don't want to go into the home gym. - So you got the option then. So then you have the option. - Which is great. - I think maps 15, perfect. You get home from work, it's two exercises you're done. And it's most days. This helps a lot with consistency, the daily frequency. - Frequency. - Frequency. It builds a lot of momentum and you're devoting about 20 minutes. - And I love you still going to the gym. I think that's great, 'cause I relate to that too. Like once I get home, I want to just settle down and relax. - Yeah. - I don't want it. But just make that commitment to yourself. I'm gonna go to the gym and do this. If I don't go to the gym, then I'm gonna at least knock out my two exercises in the garage real quick. - It's, it's, it's literally two lifts. - Yeah. - But when you add it all up over time, you'll be far more consistent. It'll be more effective for you. - You'll get better results doing that. - Better results. So it's really, it's gonna be like 20, 25 minutes. - Okay, so my, it's like, yes. I agree, 'cause I listen to you guys's podcast. I'm like your best friend that you never met. - Thank you. - Oh. - But my thing is, I would do that for a while and then I would start to feel like, oh my gosh. Am I gonna get to where I want to be doing this? - Oh yes, you are. - Oh yes. If you listen, how do you walk a thousand miles, right? One step at a time. If you take a step every day, eventually you get to the end result, that's what happens with this. So you need to press is not the result, but rather the way. - Because this is amazing. - This is amazing. - You can stream together. That's it, you're pushing and pressing on what causes the result. The result will happen guaranteed if you're consistent. So your goal is, I'm gonna do my two exercises that I'm done every day. It's about, it's gonna be like five or six days a week, two exercises. You miss one, it's not a big deal. - And I can like step.
that if like my days off or back to back like is Wednesday and Thursdays. So kind of like I double up on those days and then if you want to, if you rest and break it down. Yeah, if you want to. If you want to, in my opinion, this may be different for you, but in my opinion, okay, I think you're probably better off doing it on the days you work because it's a busy day anyway. Uh huh. weekend comes around. That's your day off, relax and enjoy. Well, I work on a weekend. So or on the days off and then on your days off, I'd rather you meal prep because that's the second part with nutrition. Yeah. Yeah. With nutrition, it's going to be all about meal prepping. They send yourself a. And that's, Nadi, I want you to, I want you to, uh, reframe the way you look at a missed workout because this is, I think the part the mistake that people make is they, they, they miss a workout and they beat themselves up and they go, I mean, I can never be, and it's like, we all miss. Yeah. So the way I want to be like that. Yeah. Ever, everyone is, I swear, everyone's like this. And this, this has helped me. It's helped my clients out so much is, I don't want you to look at a missed workout as like a failure. I want you to keep track of how many days you got in a row before that missed workout. And let's say the, the, we, tomorrow we start, right? It was, tomorrow's a new day. We start and you stream three days in a row of getting those two lifts in. And then you miss day four. You got, you were just fucking tired. You couldn't get you whatever, you came up, don't beat yourself up. Go, man, I got three in a row tomorrow. I'm going to get back on the wagon again. And I'm going to get at least four days in a row and compete with yourself. Trying, because you're going to miss days. That's happens to everybody. But, and what happens is people allow that day to spiral them out. And one day turns into two days, turns into three days, turns into a week. They took off. So instead of looking at it like that, I want you to look at how many days that you stream together in a row of consistency. And then the next day you get going again, that's your new goal. Can I get four days into, and then, and then if you, you know what I'm saying? And just keep, keep stacking on that. And when we look back six months from now, you will have completed way more workouts than you've missed. And you'll also have a different attitude. That helps between that. And then the meal prep, one of your days off, I think is the recipe for us. That, that, the workouts, if you just do that, that's going to be the easy part of promise you. He just do you two. So how do, what do I do as far as the nutrition though? Because I know you said the meal prep. So my thing with, with that is I have no problem meal prepping. I have no problem eating the same thing every day. But I get, I get to a point where I get stuck. And then I don't want to eat the meal prep or maybe my appetite is just real bad that day. I'm not really hungry. And I just don't eat. Yeah. So I like having certain meals for those, certain meals and shakes for things like that. Okay. So what it would look like is, I don't know if you like ground beef, chicken, you like all the things if you like that. Bulk rice, bulk chicken or ground beef, they're the easy go to anchormeals. And so you've got, you know, six or eight of those that you got in your refrigerator already. And then you can bring some to work. And then I love things that are like high protein, Greek yogurt, ready to drink protein shakes. And your job is to try and be consistent with your eating. When you don't have the appetite, and you're like, man, a full six ounces of ground beef and rice just sounds like so much liquid. Have that, have that shake. Okay. Or have that Greek yogurt. So you can do the quick, the quick easy thing. You know those little, I don't know if you've ever seen those little oikos, Greek yogurt. Yeah, I actually drink the Chobot. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's what I drink that every morning. Yeah. Yeah. You have you have two or three things like that. Or even like our paylee of alley beef jerky. You've got a handful of these like high protein snacks. The goal is to eat a meal, but every couple hours, two to three hours. But if you're like, man, I'm not even hungry right now, well, I should at least get those, you know, three pieces of beef jerky. Or I'm at least get that oikos. Or I least going to get that Chobot. Right. Do that. So you stay consistent because what will happen is when this happens, there's so many clients is they get busy. They're not hungry. They don't eat for six, seven hours. And then they're fucking starving. And then, then the cravings come in. And then it's really hard to make that decision. Oh, I'm going to heat up that boring ground beef and rice. I much rather drive through and grab that thing that sounds way more palatable. And that's, but if you keep feeding yourself every two, three hours, even if it's small, it'll help out. Yeah. So the name of the game for someone like you and again, this is very common is to eat on a schedule. So when you're not hungry, have something, otherwise you're you're setting yourself up. So basically just force myself to get the protein. That's right. That's right. And get those easy, get those easy drink ones. Like I said, that I love that. I love that as an option when you don't feel like the meal. Because here's what's going to happen. What can happen sometimes, Nadi, and I don't know if this happens to you, but I would have clients that would be like, yeah, but I'm trying to lose weight. So when I'm not hungry, I'd rather not eat. And I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, well, what happens later? Yeah. You know, so yeah, I get I'm starving. That's right. So you got to just you got to eat on a schedule. Yeah. So you make it you just make it happen. Like, okay, can I eat my meal? I'm not going to be able to do it. Can I eat half of it? Yes. Or let me try one of those easier to down, you know, shakes or whatever. And you just eat on a schedule and that'll keep you very consistent. If we just focus on those two things that we talked about right now, we're going to we're going to get a long way just from that. Just okay, outcompete your days that you missed. Keep getting better. Yeah. And then the protein meal is ready for you. So how long should I sit in that maps 50 maps 15. I actually just got the maps 15 mommy and I think maps 15 performance. Yeah. Like what should my keep one of those training schedule that is that those are two get yes, starting muscle money. All the maps 15 protocols. If as long as your schedule remains the way it is, that's how you're going to work. Okay. So just staying a map 15. Stay in the master 15 right now. That's so good for you forever. Let's just schedule changes and you get whatever. Yeah. But you just stay in those. Okay. 15 muscle mommy. 15 performance. More options. 15 power left. You know, you're original 15. You just follow one after another. Okay. I never thought to stand those like I always wanted to like go back to doing a regular. No, no, no, you don't. It's this way better for your schedule. It's just the biggest thing. This will really get the best results this way. Okay. I feel a little better now. Just stick with it. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm going to send you another 15. I'm going to give you some. I overthink it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think on too much. Just do the simple thing. Yeah. Yeah. Maddie, I'm going to send you another 15 program just because just so you have a free one. So you could go one. You know, you got 15 muscle mommy do 15 performance and then which one should we give her next 15 symmetry? Yeah. Let's go 15 symmetry. So you got one, two, three. Yeah. That'll give you nine months of workout program. Now, are you, are you on Facebook? Do you use Facebook at all? I am. I'm in you guys. I'm not on Facebook, but I am in you guys as a forum. Okay. We'll use that to check in with us. Okay. So as you go, as you go through this process, if you start overthinking it and doing that to yourself, reach out to us. Let us know where you're at. What you're going on and let us let help you through this process. But if you just focus on those things that we're talking about right now, I think in 60 days, you're going to be feeling totally different. Okay. How do you guys feel about GLP? One not yet. You know, I think I think you can get I think you can get a lot further right now. Here's why here's also why I would I wouldn't recommend it. I don't know where your calories are at. And if you're at a place where you're already kind of lower on the lower calorie range, I wouldn't want that. And you're already somebody who's admitted you go a long time without eating. That'll make you never want to eat. Yeah. I'll tell you what. But then there's days where I know for sure I'm like, hi on calories. That's the thing. Like with everything that I'm consuming for the week. I know I'm over calories. And I only mentioned that because last year around August, September, I was in a pre-diabetic stage. Yeah. And I did get my numbers down like six months from my six month follow-up. I haven't been to check. I'm going next week for, you know, a new check up and blood work and stuff. So that's one of the things that I wanted to mention. Well, I don't have an issue with the GLP one. If you do what we say, you're going to do just fine. But I want you to promise me. So stay off of it for now. Listen, if you do a GLP one, I want you to call back and work with one of my coaches. Yeah. Do not do a GLP one without a coach. I mean, I was going to tell you to do that before you even do a GLP one. I'd say consider having one of our coaches take you through this process and really dial you in on the nutrition side before we go that route. Because that's I like to have if a client's going to do a GLP one, I like to know where their calories at first before we do that. Because if I slam your appetite all the way down and you're somebody and even if you overeat on certain days, if you're already a person who goes a long time not eating, that's like a recipe for someone who just doesn't eat anymore and you'll lose weight. Yeah. But you'll lose a ton of muscle. It's like cravings that I really want to get rid of because I have bad cravings for certain things. Protein will help. I think if we really drill down the like eating even when you're not hungry, every this is what the cares that here's I would be even more specific for you. The goal is to eat every about every three hours. Do not let more than four hours go by. That'll solve it. Okay. That'll solve it. A snack protein. That's right. A high protein snack. Yes. A high protein snack and do not let four hours go by. Three is the goal. Try and eat every three hours. Something that's got 20 grant 20 to 30 grams of protein at least in it. Okay. But do not let four hours go by because once that fifth hour and six hour hits, that's when that's that's when that cravings happening to you. So really really make those two things a goal. One more question if you don't mind. Do you think that would help with my energy? I know sleep has a lot to do with it, but like I get I feel tired during a certain point of the day. I try to rely on my I only have one cup of coffee in the morning around like six, seven, but I don't know like I feel drained. Yeah. Yeah. If you do the if you do what we say with the nutrition and the mass 15, I think by week two, you'll notice a significant improvement in energy. Yeah. I think
I think you'll notice a big difference. - Yes. - Within two weeks. - Okay. - So yeah. - All right. - You got it. - All right. - We got this. - I just got to trust the process. - That's right. You got us too, okay. We chatted, you start overthinking it. - That's it. - All right, thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. - Thanks, Nate. - All right, I'm gonna say this just for anybody listening. I don't like anybody using a GLP on what without a coach. - Yeah. - You get a GLP one? - Totally. - Work with a coach. - Well, especially if you have, eating habits like that, because she's already got to have it where she can go six to probably eight hours and not eat. And then she knows she recognizes she benches on something. - You give someone that GLP one who already is used to not eat for it. - Didn't eat. - Just not eat. - Yeah. - There's not eat for the full day. - Yeah. - And so I would want to coach her first on having regular meal times. And then if she's still, like if I got her eating, like we just, the goal is right now. And then we're coaching. I'm coaching her six months later. She's like, man Adam, I still keep fucking up. I still keep drilling that ice cream at 10 o'clock at night. Or what she says something like that. Then I'm like, okay, well, this might be an option for doing GLP ones. Now that we've built this consistency around meal times and eating. But given someone like that at GLP one, right out the gates when there are already a huge meal skipper and 40 shall lose 30 to five to 40%. - Yeah, we must have a math. - She's what we need. - We still have less energy. - She has eight calories a day. - She has to work 12 hours a day to feel terrible. - Yeah. - No, terrible idea. - Our next color is Jason from Missouri. - Jason, you made one on Jason. - Finally. - It's going on, man. - Let's old people don't do this. - How can we help you, dude? - Oh, man, I was looking at, I just happened to stumble across you guys probably maybe two months ago, maybe a month and a half ago. - Oh, wow. - I was interested in a program, but didn't know which one to pick. Back in '05 and '08 through '08, I worked out every day, six days a week and running three miles a day, lifted every six days and I loved it. I loved the way it made me feel and look, but it became a second job. I couldn't keep it up with three kids and a job and a wife and as you know, but I quit doing it and then it got worse. Of course, everything goes downhill. I'm pretty active person, work outside a lot, but then I stumbled across you guys as your podcast and started listening and whatnot, but I don't understand the programs that well, how to make it functional for me, I guess. I just recently bought big old set of dumbbells and a functional trainer, road functional trainer and it's been going good, but I walk, I get about probably average 15,000 steps a day plus what I get at work and I've been lifting every day in some way or another. I just recently had a setback, but it's just an injury, but it's no big deal. It's going to heal itself. I walk six miles a day roughly anywhere from four to six miles on the road outside, trying to get some sun, some time outside for a share. I've done a lot since February. I've probably lost close to 40 pounds since February. - Oh wow. I started, my wife both started talking to a functional health people, got it with the doctor. They prescribed, I did a lot of blood tests and did a gut test, genetic test. They started me on TRT and which I just turned 50 in May and started TRT, glutathione injections as well as red and true tide. So it all up and up, I guess, not really. The red and true tide I was a little concerned with, but it was at a 503A FDA regulated pharmacy, compound pharmacy that I get it from. So, and it's all prescribed by a doctor. They're monitoring, I do blood samples every so often, which is good. But I didn't know what program was be the best for someone that's really active, I guess. - Yeah, okay. - What would you say? 'Cause you are very active, you're very active. And on TRT, I do it a lot. Curious to where your calories have been. - I've been tracking for the past month or so. It's put me at 2709. It's that, but I don't get it all the time. I probably, I mean, yesterday I went over by 300. So, which was, I felt good this morning on my walk. - Yeah, that's not, I'm actually glad to hear that. I was more concerned you'd be too low. So 2700, you were over 300 calories, you said yesterday. So 2700 to 3000 is a better answer than what some people who are on that will tell me. So that's a good sign. It's not a bad answer. - I sat back to Reda. They wanted me to up it every incrementally. We just steadily increased it. But it was after like every four weeks it went up a little bit. I was reluctant to go up because the appetite suppressant is really what they were after. I still am, I'm hungry in the evenings. I wanna, you know, rain the cabinets. But not really that bad. It's not, I'm not fighting it. But I'm low on, I'm still haven't got my 2700 calories like most days. I'm probably 200 short. So I try to get it anyway. But I do get all the protein. I'm putting in 200 grams of protein a day minimum. - Oh good, Jason, how tall are you? How much are you way? - I'm six two, almost six three, I guess. Right now this morning, I weighed 222. - Okay, okay, and you want, I'm reading your email. It says your main goals are to get a little leaner and increase flexibility to keep you in shape for work tasks. So you're looking for like real, like good movement mobility. - I need to be strong. - Really strong is my biggest focus. Flexibility with work is a highlight too. I'm a journeyman lineman. And climbing poles and pull and tugging shoulders and back. And all that is, it's a daily struggle sometimes. - It's got to feel good though. Climbing poles, 40 pounds lighter, huh? - No, crap dude. I could imagine. - I climbed on the other day and my belt probably weighs 80 pounds. And everybody complains about my belt 'cause I got a big back saver belt. But it's comfortable when you're in the air. I don't care how much it weighs. My legs take care of that. It's not that big a deal. - Well, I got the program for you Jason. And I think in combination with what I'm gonna recommend to you, I think you'd be better off aiming for closer to 3000 calories a day. With the level of activity that you have and the size that you are, if you go to low on calories, it's gonna be, yeah, you're gonna compromise muscle which will make the fat loss difficult. In fact, I think you'd be better off consistently eating about 3000 calories. Following MAP's performance, that's the program I'm gonna put you on because it comes with, it's three workouts a week, plus on the other days are what are called mobility sessions, which you're gonna love. The mobility sessions will be really good for shoulder mobility, spinal mobility, hip mobility, just to keep you functional. And I wouldn't do anything else. That's it, 3000 calories a day, follow MAP's performance, and what'll happen is you'll over time get leaner and build strength and muscle. - That's what I need. - I mean, one of the, Jason, one of the beauties of being older and being on TRT is it keeps your testosterone levels at peak all the time, meaning your body is primed to build muscle all the time. And if you're lifting weights, you're sitting, you're then sitting with the ultimate signal paired with that to build muscle. So additional calories will get partitioned over to building muscle. - And you're a big dude. - So if you were at, you know, 2500 calories for night and you're still hungry, I would want you to go eat. And even if you ate a little, a couple hundred calories over than what you were supposed to, those are more likely gonna get partitioned over to building muscle than putting body fat on. When you're lifting the way you are, you're moving the way you are in your TRT, suppressing that and not eating. And that's why I like that. I'm glad you didn't keep going up with the red up because that's not a good recipe for a guy like you. You're already at a good weight. The 220 at 62, I mean, that's a good way. It's what I carry myself at. You can be absolutely lean, strong and never move another pound down on the scale. So that's, I want to build muscle on you right now. And so the focus needs, we need to be fed. We need to be fed and take care of that. - That's right. - I got it. It was from you guys. I got it from you that, you know, you tell so many people they don't eat enough. So my wife had her birthday, the 15th, we went out to the gym.
dinner. You know, for the first time I haven't eaten anything that didn't come out of my kitchen for four months. You know, we eat whole foods. We switch, got a rid of all that processed junk and we both switched. She's lost a bunch of weight, which is awesome. And we both feel better. And we did it for our grandkids. You know, we got three grandkids or we got another third one coming. Oh, congratulations. Awesome. It's awesome. Good for you. Yeah. No, no, you follow a mass performance and just do that. That's your workout. Don't add any other stuff. Do the mobility sessions. You're going to love that. Bump your calories consistent 3000 and you're going to build muscle and get leaner at the same time. Once you start to strength starts to plateau a little bit and you're like, okay, I think I need to, you know, change something. Add another 200 calories. A guy your size, your activity level, you're probably at some point in a sit around 34, 3500 calories and you're going to be lean and you'll feel good. And so we're going to you'll gradually build into the body that you're looking for. I wouldn't bring you down lower than I wouldn't bring you down lower than 3000 calories at all with your activity level. Ever. That's why I told my wife when we went out to dinner the next day. My workout felt better. I felt better. I slept better. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, you're going to be that's all the sides that you needed that. Yeah, you're probably going to end up around 34, 3500 calories. Yeah. And lean lean lean and probably ride around the same weight or even up the pound or two. Yeah. Yeah. But the body composition will be different. I mean, just give you a reference Jason. I eat, I'm not as big as you are. I'm shorter than you are. I'm about six foot about two 18. I eat about 3000 calories a day and I'm way less active than you. I sit here all day long. If I was as active as you, my calories have to be closer to like I said 35 to 4000 calories a day would have to. Right. So you're going to you're going to feel better and you'll get the body comp change and then performance you'll love that. If you're looking for the kind of strength that you can feel at work. It'll pull up proof your joints. It'll feel great. That's right. That's the killers. I've had I mean, co-workers got back issues and shoulder problems and elbow problems and knee problems. You follow you follow performance the way it's laid out and it'll lead to way we're telling you right now and it's going to blow your mind. Yep. Yep. We'll send that over to you. Jason. Keep listening to the podcast. If you're new to the show, keep listening. Yeah. I think you'll get great information that'll help you as you continue. I've been I've been back into 2025 stuff. Yeah. Okay. I'll get stuff. Well, I'm walking. It's awesome. Good stuff. Adam, I'm sorry about your solar. I listen to that eight that's a bullshit. That's a bullshit. Bro, so angry. I'm telling you that is as alignment. I'm just telling you that's the biggest racket there is. Oh my god. I need a friend like you in my quarter to tell me that you guys made me laugh every day. Everybody you know bustin each other's balls. I love it. All right. I don't want Jason. Welcome to the family, man. So we're going to send Matt's performance over to you. Follow that up. Love to hear back from you too. Like follow up with us in a few months. Let us know how it's going. I will. All right. All right, man. All right, Jason. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You got it. So even he knows it was a racket. That's so great. Some bullshit, dude. It is. Hey, you know, two things I want to comment on. Redder from a yeah, from a FDA regulated pharmacy. That's interesting because I know that that's not a. Yeah. But I guess that's you started just to me. Look at you. And I guess you could do that. But happened. Yeah. But dude, he's a big dude. He's 15,000 steps today. Well, thank you. Well, John. Awesome. I'm so I'm so glad he's been listening as much as he has because he had the wherewithal to to not go up on the dosage like they wanted him to. Yeah. If he sticks the whole natural foods gets off the redder. Yeah, he feeds himself. He's going to have body comp change. Yeah, they're going to lean or build muscle. He looks great already. He looks like somebody who gets outside and just moving and stuff like that and drop 40 pounds and you can see he's got arms on so yeah, now he's he's primed right now to build some more muscle. Our next color is Nick from Ohio. What's up, Nick? What's up, Nick? Hey, hi guys. How you doing? Good. Good. Thanks for having me. You got a man. How can we help you? So my question I wrote in was about back development. So I have I'm 40 years old. I was when I wrote in I was running maps 15, the advanced version. And in general, what I think I'm dealing with is I sort of made the mistake as many young men do of like under developing my back like in high school, it was all about, you know, benching and chest and arms and, you know, surely I'd skip back and legs whenever I could. And I in addition to that, I have like a sedentary sort of desk job. So I've got that, you know, I've got rounded shoulder posture. Some of that I think is genetic, but it sure isn't helping with environmental factors in my lifestyle. And so I was my question was like about, you know, catching my posterior chain up to my anterior chain, sort of the way that map symmetry addresses the left and right. I've been thinking about like addressing the back a little bit more and making sure I get a little more volume there. And, you know, I've heard your advice on some of your episodes about swapping out volume or pushing it to the top. And that was sort of my question is I was just wondering, you know, when I was running maps 15 advance, I found myself wondering what if I what I was doing was correct. And just curious if you had any advice about, you know, swapping out volume, maybe like a more focused period, like a three to six week period phase of really just hitting it hard. Or if you have a program that you think would be best for the spotification, because I found that maps 15 every day one, I didn't know if I was sort of messing with principles of programming that would be, you know, in conflict with other things. Great question. Great question that we don't get a lot that I think actually a lot of people probably are riddled with. Yeah, what I would start with is just consider when you have a lagging area, and this is a large area right the posterior chain, it takes much longer than three, six weeks to kind of bring it back. So give yourself a year of focus, a focus, you know, with the volume and the programming. And now here's what you're going to do. You're going to take a set off of a compound lift and another area and you add it to the compound lift for the back. Another thing I would add, Salis, I would lead all workouts that way. So I would lead workouts with deadlifts or rows as my first big lift. Instead of like what we traditionally do like squats, right? It's like always like a is like a leading exercise. I'm going to lead the workout with with do it rows and with with do or you're currently following what fit mass 15. I was when I when I wrote this I'm on a break right now. We just my wife and I just had a baby. So we so I'm on to pause, but that was when I was sort of running. I was shifting over to those every day kind of 15 programs. No, perfect. So just to make it simple for you, when you're following mass 15, when a chest exercise comes up or a leg exercise comes up, take a set off of each of those. And when it comes back around and you're going to do a back exercise, add that set to the back exercise. That's it. That's it. Okay. That's so like two two on legs and then four on back if it's normally a three and three. Yeah. So exactly. So now you don't want to take all the volume and switch it over, but a couple sets, moving over to back away from the compound lifts on the other extras on the other body parts. Perfectly fine. And you're going to do this for about a year. I would give it a year of just doing this until you feel really strong and really good with those back exercises. And that's pretty much it. You don't have to change anything else about the programming. Okay. And so that would then lend itself to any of the programs. That's right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Very simple. Yeah. So because you know, it doesn't change our programming. It doesn't change much because you're swapping out volume. Now, when people might make a mistake is they would just add a bunch more. Add a bunch more or they would swap out exercises that don't swap out so well. So it's okay. Cool. I'm going to do one less set of curls and one more set of dead lifts. Well, dead lifts tax you way more than curls do. Yeah. So, you know, that's why I said compound, right? So like bench press to rows. Yeah. You know squats to dead lifts and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I the struggle is that when you're in it, you're like, oh, it's it takes some discipline to take that away because you feel like you're missing out. And that's the yeah. Yeah. And you're not you're still you're going to develop the other areas. You're just going to build up the area that is lagging. That's it. Okay. Great. And there's there's little things you can do, like prone cobras or band pull aparts like throughout your day. Yeah. Yeah. To combat the posture at work and stuff like that. So okay. If you can get a whole of a band, if you don't have one already. Yeah. Yeah. I have some at home and I, you know, I've maps prime and I always like scoring that, figuring out ways to yeah, to address this. And you know, it can also cause shoulder problems. I feel like I'm addressing shoulder. You are. It helps the same thing. 100% you are. That's what's going on. It's your rolled forward like that. And then that's bothering that. So yeah, just if you can every hour, get up and just do co- you know, two sets of band rows real quick or band pull apart. One pull up. Yeah. Yeah. And that'll that'll that'll really help that. So you can't with a band like that, you're not going to overdo that. So like if you can every hour do two sets of 15 doing some band rows real quick. Oh, how nice. That's great. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. Yeah. Got it. Man. Question. Congratulations on the baby. Thanks. Thanks so much. The volume swapping is I wanted it very. Yeah. I can't I can't remember what what exercises are paired in every day on mouse 15. See typically if he's following another mouse program, right? Where it's like, let's say full body or split. And there's an order. I would have said what you did. But he mentioned that he has. Yeah, but I'd still say that because there's going to be days that he has like a squat in a row. I'd want him to row first. Yes, but here's the thing. And yes, you can totally do that. I'm not sure if they're paired that way, which was number one number two.
to, it's going to be massive thing because you just had a kid. So it's like, and it's only two lifts. So it's not a huge difference. - It's a protocol right now. - So it's like just simplify the hell out of it. - I mean, the other thing that I've done at periods of time were like this was an area of focus at one point for me is like, I really dropped a lot of squat volume completely and I just, just deadlifted for a while. So that's also an option. So we tend to have a lot of squat focus in almost all of our programming 'cause it's just such a foundational movement. But with someone specific like this that wants that much more posterior chain, you're not going to lose a lot of leg gains by focusing heavily on deadlift for the next six months and not really focusing as much on squat. So it's obviously a little bit more nuance because I'd have to look at the program and be like, okay, here's where I'd pull that out and put it in. - And I was just trying to simplify the heck out of it. - Yeah, but I mean, I think simply the two sets moving over or always starting with the back and then of course the next layer to that would be, you know, running where we have a lot of squat stuff, I just replaced with a bunch of dead lifts and just really deadlift focus. - Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram, it's MindPump Media. - Thank you for listening to MindPump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB
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