5 Takeaways from the NBA Draft’s First Round, Plus Jay Bilas!

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So now it just feels like everybody who's six, four and a half. It's like that sucks because you used to be able to say that you were six, six based on NBA heights. And again, if you don't believe me, that's exactly what they used to do. And then they just said, all right, enough of this stuff. So I guess eventually it'll be all phased out and every six, four and a half guy will feel like another six. Four and a half guy. I right now, I think Peterson's a better player, too. I think that the Bonsai, even though he was just physically overwhelming, and then that's the frame that you want to bet on six, nine versus six, four and a half, or I think he's six, eight and a half with his measurement with that with those shoulders, not doubling him, even though his teammates Saunders are the best score probably on BYU other than him not being in the mix. And then the Bonsai just like taking it to dudes in the big 12 tournament. Game. So I was changing my mind constantly, but I still think Peterson's a better player right now. If you want to tell me, hey, that's not the job, man. The job is who's the better player in three to five years. And that's why Winger and the group with the Wizards went with Peterson. I couldn't sit there and tell them that they were wrong. And I still somehow like wanted to be a boozer guy through all this because I think that pick may haunt the two teams in front. Like, that's how much fun I think this draft is because it was so hard. It was really hard for me. And I think there's a lot of things on the table. But the end game for all this stuff. But, you know, if you're going to be wrong, teams are going to be wrong with height and hopefully with height and athleticism. That's why Caleb Wilson is for instead of Wagler, who I just think you are going to get a guy that can play on and off in a way. You know, I don't want to call it SGA because that seems to be a little ridiculous. We're talking about potentially one of the best players in the world for Wagler. If you were that good, then he should just go one. But I'm just telling you, I think there's so much to Wagler and that's why I had him higher than the other guard. And higher than Wilson, which I didn't see a lot of there. The draft. I don't know that it's really an upset because you started seeing it in the mocks. Mikel Brown going six to Brooklyn. But I think that changed a lot in the picks behind them with him moving up. I did not like Brown as much as other people because I just thought his decision making drove me crazy where I have this thing with certain players where I'm like, are you playing basketball or are you auditioning for a role to play basketball where you're going to take these like. Absurd shots to show how cool it is and the passing stuff with him is just. It was I thought there were so many moments where I'm like, what are you doing? Tests just have absolutely no chance, no chance whatsoever, but his pick and roll ball handling as he is the ball handler in the pick and roll because there's two different variations of how you can look the stuff up, pick and roll man, which is the man who's sending the screen that rolling pick and roll ball. That is the ball handler off the pick and roll. He was in the 89th percentile for points per possession on those and on spot up shots. He was in the 97th percentile with that size and that athleticism. I totally get why teams would have him. I wouldn't have him ahead of Wagler, but would have him ahead of a cuff and also Kingston Fleming. So I really liked like I liked this group so much. So that sets up Sacramento, which was a lock that it would be a cuff. I don't think that that ownership group was going to. Decide to go, hey, let's go with Kingston instead of like the star potential with an empty palette, considering all the offseason stuff that could be happening. Maybe that ends the idea that they were going to get job, which sounds like it was over anyway, once they asked for compensation to take on job around, although that felt like the most Sacramento Kings acquisition ever, but a cuff to Sacramento kind of a layup. Once you saw all that play out in front, that meant Atlanta and still having Kingston Fleming's on the board had to have felt like a huge win for them. Because even though Mara goes to Sacramento, which we're going to get to here, excuse me, goes to Oklahoma City, which we will get to here just four picks later. Mara with Atlanta, like you're providing yourself that big and that optionality, which maybe is a little bit more important than just a long term starter at the guard position with CJ McCollum being in his mid thirties. So me being critical of Atlanta going like, oh, but are you potentially just drafting a backup center at seven foot three? Because you're not going to want to bench a Congo or does it really even matter? Or does that mean that Congo gets phased out as a starter or it's matchup dependent and you have like two really different looks that are kind of cool and maybe both guys that are going to be able to stretch the floor as fives? Like isn't that the goal? And you could have two of them that are entirely different defensive matchups. So I wonder how much internal debate they had about that, but I'm sure once Kingston Fleming's was still there, you're just kind of like, dude, some teams may have taken him fifth. I don't know about this entire process. Moraes Johnson goes ninth. My scattering report on him was just aggressive, aggressive, aggressive. When you watch him in transition, it's fantastic. 87% of his field goal attempts were at the rim, 22% of his possessions, which is the most of any of his possessions. So it's like, hey, how often is he ISO? How often is he posting up? It's nobody posts up anymore, handoffs, all this kind of stuff, pick and roll ball handler, pick and roll man. Well, the most used possession for Moraes is 22% of his plays were cuts and he was in the 91st percentile on points per possession. It's too bad. Luke isn't still there. I was thinking about this. I'm like, oh man, cutting off the ball, his aggressiveness, him running in transition, him being a lob threat. He'd be a perfect Mav with Luca. It's never going to stop. Sorry. I'm sorry, Dallas fans. Um, and this is somebody with limited touches, limited minutes. But so. He's incredibly aggressive. And the crazy thing is too, is like he takes more shots than you would have thought at like only 20 plus minutes a game. But even though people are selling him as a three point shooter, because he's at 34%, I think that number is a bit of a lie. I don't like the way the shot looks right now. But he's getting to the free throw line because he's so overwhelming in these college games. He's so ridiculous, so much to deal with his energy. And it's like, oh shit, this guy's coming down, fill the lane. Like I'm out of here. He's been living at the free throw line. He's at 78% on free throws. So even though I think that 34 number from three is overselling who he is as a spacer right now, and maybe it's entirely fixed. We all know the rule is, is if you can point to some sort of free throw number that gives you hope, that's an incredible free throw number. And he's taken a ton of free throws to, again, if you're taking Morris Johnson ninth, you're going, we think he can defend. We think he's a freak on the baseline. And we think he's actually going to be able to space the floor out here a little bit. I don't know how much influence Dusty may has. In this process. But if it were something where he comes in, it was like, Hey, you're, you're making a huge mistake. He'd probably have enough juice to pull this off, but that he was this excited about it that I'm sure Dallas was thrilled before they even knew they were going to do the Dusty May thing. Or maybe they were talking the entire time and Dusty was a big part of this. And it wasn't just technically a couple of days ago, all of it's on the table, all of it's possible. I'm willing to believe anything. But what I did love is that Yaxel and Mara are losing their minds in the most genuine, passionate way when Moraes gets picked before them. And sometimes it's pretty clear, I have no idea what kind of read I have on this. They're doing what they're supposed to be doing, supportive of a teammate, happy, despite this being a competitive moment. That was like Kobe White when Cam Johnson got drafted. Like Kobe White just being so pumped that Cam Johnson was drafted, even though I think everybody at the time was a little surprised at that pick, going back to it. All right, number three. So the Moraes part of it pushes back Burries to 10. Some teams like Burries as much as the rest of these other guards that went ahead of them. I like Burries more than Moraes, two entirely different players. So I think this is a home run scenario at 10 and 13 for Milwaukee to get two young players like this and to grab Amen at 13, which is probably like you were wondering if 10 was going to be the lowest he could go. I don't think that it was going to be Golden State, the Yaxel thing. I don't know if there's any other decision there. I don't know. I don't think there's any other decision there for the Moraes. I don't think there's any other decision there for Golden State. The Yaxel thing makes a lot of sense because of his ability to fit in right away and play in a bunch of different ways and just be a smart basketball player. But I really wondered if there was anybody else that would drop if they'd have been tempted to go in a different direction or if it just all made too much sense with the way the board fell, the Golden State's like, well, we just have to go ahead and do this. But for Amen, and because I'm still a little surprised with my like 10 minutes on the Giannis trade yesterday. I'm still a little surprised with my like 10 minutes on the Giannis trade yesterday. People being, I guess I'm surprised that people think I'm wrong about this package that they got for him. I understand that Horst and Milwaukee were an impossible spot. They were an impossible spot by their own doing. And I couldn't help but laugh a little bit last night at the Shams report during the broadcast of the draft. It's like Milwaukee is taking record-breaking number of calls on all of these assets that they brought in. Yeah, it makes sense that Detroit would love a lot of them. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that Detroit would love a lot of them. already on the team. Please release the Hawkeyes offers, leak the Hawkeyes offers. I'd love to hear how intense those are at this point, as if he wasn't available this whole fucking time. Like, I know we got a pick in the lottery, but have we called Milwaukee seven times a day to ask about Hawkeyes? So that was a little, I don't know. I thought that was a little creative in the storytelling there. But for a night, for as bummed out as I think Milwaukee Bucks fans should be, and how bummed out they should be at the way they handle this whole thing. And then when you look at the entire palette of stuff that you have, I'm using that word twice now. I thought it was nice. I thought it was a nice little night there for Milwaukee to grab. Amen. 13th. Considering I just normally guys that size that handle that just the way they move. Those guys usually are going to go earlier in the lottery, but not in a packed year like this. All right. Number four, OKC in San Antonio squaring off. I'll admit, Mara, the biggest thing with me is the passing. He did have over 100 blocks this year. If you're going to have him switch out on a really fast point guard, guess what's going to happen? That really fast point guard is probably going to go around him. But if you're talking about OKC mapping this out, going, hey, if we have a 7-3 guy that's going to be able to stretch the floor a little bit, then we have to take him because if things play out, which is stupid to round up and be like, hey, it's going to be OKC in San Antonio every year for the next five years. It's also not an impossibility that that could happen as well. So that's the Hartenstein option where I imagine he opts out and they bring him back because I couldn't think that they would want to turn the page because of money because they've already paid Chet that they want to turn the page on Hartenstein and also Chet. Sorber is still in play, who I loved last year as a prospect. I'm like, man, this guy's maybe nasty. And then you add Mara to the entire mixer. So it may just be about them going, hey, we need to prioritize size in a big way here because of that big dude from France down in San Antonio. Bennett starts. They took him. Kid out of Iowa who used to be a Drake who used to be an even smaller school before that. And I've liked him. I was arguing with the team. They're like, oh, so you're going to bank on the history of white point in the NBA. Good luck with that, Russillo. I was like, stings. That stings a little bit. It's also not entirely inaccurate either. And then OKC takes him. You're like, see, just like just like Presti. So that was kind of an interesting night from OKC where you were wondering if they're going to try to trade out of these picks because of roster situation. Instead, they've added a fourth center that is supposed to be a playable center. Then you have San Antonio on the other side going like, you want to go size? OK, see, we'll go size big time with you. JQ, Jaden Quaintance, the Kentucky prospect who was at Arizona State, who is enormous. I like this pick for San Antonio. I've heard it two different ways that the knee needs to be cleaned up and he'll be back. It'll be fine, but he's going to miss some time. And then, of course, I've heard that he could play through it. I'd imagine the agents would be pushing that he can play through this. It's like, just get him in and they should be thrilled because their guys got some guaranteed years here. As a first round pick. But if you're looking at human beings that check as many boxes as this guy do, there's just not many people that can do it. And if your team is already really good and you're looking at this as a luxury item, and you also know you're probably going to be able to pick up Terrace Reed later on. I don't know if they knew that or not. It was only five picks later. They probably had some inkling that there could be a potential move with Denver moving out of the league. I like what the Spurs did. And even though Terrace Reed was like, hey, so they got another guy who can post up that they don't want to post. Okay. That's a finals joke there. I was even in my head going like, oh, wow, that's going to be interesting. Like, what are they going to do? Because it's Valanciunas is leaving Denver. You know, the same thing happened to Fran Fuschilla last night. He's making Leon jokes about Luke in Spain. And you're just like, yeah, he's not going there. It's Carr. That happens. And I hate that it happens to broadcast every single year because it's super frustrating. But I'm like thinking about, well, if Terrace Reed's coming from Hurley's system, then maybe the Jokic stuff won't be as challenging for him. But then it's like, oh, yeah, actually, he's just going to San Antonio. So San Antonio got bigger. Final thought. And that's on the broadcast. I take this stuff personally because I like it so much. Right. And so if you're going to do two different broadcasts on ABC and ESPN, I think those broadcasts should be different. And they're different to a degree. And I know this is probably not going to be popular, but I'm just going to say it. But Lisa Salter is asking 30 families in a row what this moment means to them when it's the same. And it's not Lisa's fault. It's the right question to ask every single one of these families. But there seems to be like this hard, hard lean into this is about the families. This is about the celebration. This is about their moment. And maybe I sound a little bit like a dick to go. I don't want to watch that for three hours. I want break. Downs. I want. How does this fit in? Is this a good pick or is this bad pick? Is there any disagreement ever again? Can anybody disagree and say, I actually don't think they should have gone this direction? I don't think we have those moments anymore. I think the staffing is better than it's ever been. But again, I hope this isn't taken as a criticism of Lisa's work at all, because she's just a legend in this and she's asking the right question. But if the right question is the same question to 30. Different draft picks, it can become a little repetitive. I might be wrong. And if you want to go with, hey, it's about families. There's no way I even want to have the argument. Never mind when I'm just like, OK, fine, I lose. But from a draft nerd. Perspective. I think we've gotten away from some of the draft conversations. We'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsors. Are kicking off a different road trip. Book direct at Hertz dot com slash Peter. Jay Billis on the coverage last night for ESPN's round one draft show for the NBA. My favorite day. So we get Jay on every year. So we appreciate the time. We know you're gearing up for round two. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it used to be one day, six hours in the chair, not having to use the restroom. And now it's two. So I'm not sure which I like better. I think it's two is so pointless. I think it's like everybody looked at the NFL and said, wow, look at this. And it's like, all right, but it's. I don't know that's why they did it, Ryan. I think my understanding is the NBA teams wanted the extra time because it goes from second round, as you know, it goes from five minutes to two minutes to make a pick, or used to, I should say. And they wanted more time. Like, those things are valuable. And you want to give it the appropriate amount of time and attention. So I understood the teams asked for more time. I think we all found a way to get it done, though. Like, it happened. I don't know. It's just, I liked the second round, but I don't like the two days in a row. But whatever. We'll file that in the complaint box later on that nobody will listen to here. At the end of all of my pre-draft process, which is not as extensive as others, so I'll offer that up. I went Peterson one, AJ two, Boozer three, and I had Wagler four, Wilson five. Where did you land on who should have been the number one pick last night for yourself? - Well, I didn't, it's a good question. I didn't look at it that way, at least I don't. What I do is I put together this best available list, and God, it's been 24 years now. When I first started, I kind of told people, look, I'll do the best prospects, but I'm not gonna do a mock draft. Like, I'm not gonna be wearing out NBA personnel and having them lie to me and all that stuff. And so, I understand, like, I think it was a good first pick for-- - Yeah. - For Washington, because Devonsa fits into that roster really well, and you could argue he's just as good as Peterson. But I think Peterson's the best player, and the best prospect. And so, I had him number one. So, my list went Peterson, Devonsa, Boozer, kind of, I don't wanna say interchangeable, but I wouldn't argue with anybody that if Washington had taken Boozer number one, I wouldn't argue to that. I think he's the best pure basketball player in the draft. I did have Wilson four. You know, I don't know what you thought, Ryan, but I can't remember ever hearing in a draft more people that I respect talk about more different players saying, this guy could wind up being the best player in the draft. I heard that about six or seven different guys this year, and I don't ever remember hearing that before. So, the depth of talent was kind of extraordinary. I still think, and you may differ with this, but I still think, like, if Cooper Flagg was in this draft, he would have gone-- - Yeah. - Number one. We wouldn't have hesitated. But, you know, we can argue about that kind of, that's a barroom argument. But I had Wilson number four. - Yeah, look, I was a little surprised 'cause I did a draft thing last week where I said, if you were the Wizards and you were offering number one to San Antonio for Dylan Harper, like, who says no? And they both thought I was a little crazy to think San Antonio would say no. And I was like, I'm big on, like, proof of concept. When I've already seen it happen. And when I see what Dylan Harper does in the NBA Finals at that age, something that we haven't seen kind of ever. Because even the Magic Johnson Finals comparison is not the same as what Dylan Harper was as far as season and all that kind of stuff. So, I'm with you on the Cooper thing. Maybe a clean year from Peterson where there's no issues whatsoever. Maybe that changes like a Peterson-Cooper. But I'm with you in general on that 'cause it's actually my second question. But I love this draft. I'll always love this draft because of the talent, but also how hard it was for me. It was hard for me to go like, I'm definitively like on this guy now. I was changing my mind constantly. I was changing my mind on Caleb Wilson. So, let's do this exercise. Like, how many players do you think is like the cutoff of, hey, if in five years this player's the best player, like, do you think it's six or seven? 'Cause it might be, which seems crazy. Which, again, you know, look, we learned a lot of lessons through this process. - Might be more than that. But, you know, like you got a guy from, like Nate Ament from Tennessee who has an extraordinary amount of talent. He just hasn't harnessed it all yet and he needs to get stronger. But when you look at the body of work he's put together in a year, in another year, he would have been a top 10 pick. And, you know, he went like 13th in Milwaukee. Milwaukee got a pretty good haul getting Braden Burries and Nate Ament. But that's sort of the hard part. And I think I've softened on this. And I think I've softened on this over the years of doing this. It's, you know, when you put one player in front of another, it doesn't mean you believe in the second, you don't believe in the second player. It's just a question of who do you believe in most? And you gotta list them out. And at some point, you know, teams have to make decisions. And it doesn't mean you don't like the other guy. Sometimes, and you go through this every bit as much as I do, if not more. Sometimes when you say, well, I think so-and-so is the best player, people hear everybody else, and it sucks, and that's not what you're saying. - Yeah, that's certainly true. And I think you nailed it with Milwaukee, where, you know, even though I just look at the haul, my biggest issue with Giannis in the trade was you had 13, 14 months on this, probably even had a little bit longer, but we were at the combine in '25, hearing about all this stuff, and you were kind of in denial and trying to fix it on the fly. And it's just that collection. But I would say, at least for last night, Burries landing 10, where I had teams going like, how come it's Wagler, Acuff, and McHale, and Kingston, like, why is there this gap that Burries isn't with those guys? You know, and it was convenient for teams that weren't necessarily picking there, saying that to me time and time again. But like, Burries is incredibly impressive. So for Burries and Ament, I think 10, 13, where you're thinking, hey, we got two young kids, highly regarded prospects come in. Ament, I would say, was maybe the most criticized lottery prospect of anybody that I would talk to teams about, but they weren't dismissive or nasty about it. It was just more of like, I wish I had seen a little bit more. But the thing is, is once you see what you're starting with, it's 6'10 plus and that handle and that movement. And I think we all think the shot is far better than the numbers. And then maybe him being uncomfortable early, but then responding to Rick Barnes, kind of challenging him and stuff. So I think that story got a lot better for Ament. And on a night where Milwaukee probably should have been like, they didn't fix it last night, but I thought that was a really nice night for the Bucs with those two picks. - Yeah, and they're, you know, Milwaukee's strategy has to be more long-term here. Like I tend to agree with you that, you know, we can argue about should they have done something different with Giannis and earlier and gotten a better haul or whatever, but they did get a number of players. I don't think it, I don't think the volume of players they got from Miami fixes anything. I think they need to do a lot more, but this was a great first step. For a really good future. And your point on Ament, like one of the things I give Nate Ament a lot of credit for is that, you know, Fran Fraschilla said something about the players, Kingston Fleming's choosing to go to Houston, that he kind of signed up for the Navy Seals, you know, and I feel similar about Ament going to play for Rick, that he was signing up to really go into the fire. And one of the things that happened with Ament is because of his frame, every team they played against wanted to be ultra physical with him and he handled it. I mean, got to the free throw line a lot. He was one of the, you know, had the, one of the highest drawing draw fouls rate in the country and never backed down. You know, he had some good games, bad games and all that, but overall I thought he showed really well and played a different position. He was more on the perimeter instead of playing more inside, but you give him some time, he's got all the tools to be really good and you look, he can go the other way. Maybe, maybe he won't turn out to be special. That's always part of this is we'll look back in five years. Doesn't matter the draft. We're going to look back in five years and we would have done it different. - What do you think when like OKC takes Mara and I don't know where you are on Mara. You know, I'm sure you liked him. I'm sure you saw the vision of like what teams would be thinking of. I also was like a little like, I'm not sure. And then when San Antonio has Wemby, it just felt like, oh, well, if OKC likes him, then I have to like him more. - Yeah, yeah, well, they're, Sam Presti's right. Almost every time. And maybe I shouldn't even use almost, but you know, that's their challenge in the future is getting past San Antonio in the playoffs and having that long arm rim protecting big guy that can really pass like, and Mara can hit a three and he moves his feet pretty well. It's not like he and, you know, you're going to put him in the game and he and Wemba Nyama are going to play one-on-one out on the perimeter for 48 minutes. But his passing is, is really, really impressive. And he's a smart kid. Like he spent, you know, he spent his first two years at UCLA and he didn't play all that much. And I think the way that that team went, you know, he kind of got beat down a little bit and he really emerged at, at, at Michigan and was a force. And I mean, he blocked over a hundred shots. That was a Michigan record last year. So I think he's got a lot of, a lot of ability. And I think they also got Bennett Sturtz in that draft in the first round last night. - You know, Sturtz is a, is a good get too. Like I spent a lot of time watching him not only throughout the year, but after the, after the season. Cause it reminded me of when Kyle Korver came out of Creighton and I learned a lot because I spent time, you know, talking to Dana Altman, his coach at the time. And, you know, you, you, you know this, like you spend a lot of time, you know, on the negative, like who's he going to guard, you know, that kind of thing. And that, I remember that being a big deal with Korver. Who's he going to guard? You know, he doesn't have lateral quickness. What did he play, 15 years in the league? league and Sturtz can shoot it. He's great in picking roles. He knows how to play. And, uh, and I'm glad that's kind of trumping some of the question marks that you have with, uh, with every player. I loved him. So I think he can play more off the ball too, but he just was basically in charge of every possession. I love the way he pushes, you know, you think about that Florida game and it's like, this guy's totally comfortable. And through a bounce pass, uh, a bounce pass in transition. I also, I try to explain it, but it's almost like his feet are setting up his feet in handle of setting you up, like in different ways where every single dribble or step is like, I may go now, I may not go now. I may go now. It's almost like there's just no wasted movement from him, which makes him a lot harder to stay in front of that. I think people realize because there's just this fluidness to him. And again, what, like once Memphis looks like there, you're taking them and then they pick up two seconds just to move back one. And then they move back again for all the five seconds. So shout out to Memphis tacked on draft night, but I'm sitting here. I remember arguing with somebody about starts and then, you know, who am I to argue with, with the, with the scout, who I think is terrific. Um, and then it's like, okay, well, Presti just took him, you know? So yeah, there was, there was two moments last night with, with a die tomorrow where I'm like, I kind of like them. And then you're thinking, okay, well, if they've got heart and steam, they have chat. I don't think they want to get away from that option, even though there's a player option there with heart Sorber, who I think we all really liked at Georgetown. And then he's in the mix and Mara, you're like, okay, well, this is a team that has this roster crunch or maybe, or maybe they're just trying to come up with a bunch of different size combinations to deal with women, Yama, who may be in their way for a bunch of Western conference playoffs runs. I think it's probably the latter and you can put him in the game. It doesn't mean you have to start him. Um, sure. Put him in the game whenever you want. And then, you know, same thing with starts. Like if you do have some concerns about defense, I mean, he's got, he's going to be on the floor with like four other piranhas. Um, I think he'll be fine. So I'm not, I'm not worried about that. I think those were both really good. Yeah. Look, Isaiah, Joe was the guy that was attacked. If he's hitting 40% of his threes, it's fine. Um, I think starts probably profiles initiate more than Isaiah Joe does. So I, I love that you say that because I used to spend so much time watching defensive clips and possessions and, and most everyone is not ready. So it's, it's, it's kind of like irrelevant and yeah, you're right. If you had starts next to, I don't know, um, like, yeah, right. You know, the better defender. I don't think anybody's going to argue that point. Right. But the Clippers aren't taking them at five, um, you know, saying like, all right, Garland starts, let's roll the ball out there. So there are certain teams that can survive with the one target. Defensively, depending on how your minutes are going, you know, look, some of the smart teams prevent that from happening. And sometimes teams get desperate and they're like, we have to put two guys out there. We don't love on defense, but I I'm totally with you. I think too much time is spent on some of these prospects. We're like, oh, who's he going to guard? And you just go, well, most of these guys are all clueless. Uh, what did you think about San Antonio on the other side, going with two bigs? Um, Terrence Reed jr. Right. They got, and who was the other guy? Oh, Quintin's oh, Jaden Quintin. Yeah. I thought I actually thought Jaden Quintin's might slip into the second round if he were healthy. Um, he would have been a lottery pick. I think, you know, he's a, he's a defensive player that as you know, has like unbelievable size, like he's just freakishly large and his arms go forever. His hands are huge. And when he was at Arizona state, you know, his shot blocker offensive rebounder, defensive rebounder, um, you know, just affected the games at length and athleticism in so many ways, but he doesn't score. Like he shoots barely 45% from the free throw line and he's not going to score outside of the paint. So right now he's just a rebounder, you know, lob threat, all that. But, uh, the physical profile is undeniable. I just thought that knee, you know, he only played four games at Kentucky and was expected to get a whole season in maybe, maybe a slow start at the beginning, but expected to get a whole season. And he didn't, I think he's a first, first round pick since like Peyton Watson to average, uh, you know, that few points. I think he, in four games, he averaged, you know, right around five points a game, Peyton Watson, when he got him, came out of UCLA, averaged three and, you know, chose like, you know, you sit there and go productivity versus potential and all this stuff we do. And then Peyton Watson has turned out to be a, a really good player in the NBA. Um, and I don't, I don't know that, um, that acquaintance needs, like he needs to develop some offense, but I don't know that he, you know, needs to turn into, you know, some offensive juggernaut in order for that to be worth it. And then Terrace Reed juniors, uh, he's interesting cause he doesn't score outside the paint, but man, he's huge. And he just kind of carves out space and immovable object type of player. And, uh, and he's a really good rebound. He started out in Michigan and then transferred to, uh, UConn and had a good junior year, but he was, he was really good last year. And he can operate in systems where he has to set screens, roll, make multiple plays within multiple actions. Um, so I like him. I think he's a good player. Um, let's go up to Morris Johnson. I mean, you have to think that like Dusty May getting the Mavs job is like, Hey, are we sure here? But they probably had turned on the work and said, this is what we want to do. And then unless Dusty were like, absolutely not. He's the third prospect out of all my guys. And maybe that influences that a bit. Um, but what did you think of Morris going to Dallas? I thought that was, I thought he was the one that was going to break up the parade of guards. I thought it was going to break up the parade of guards. I thought it could have been to Atlanta at eight. I wasn't, you know, certainly wasn't sure, but you know, they don't make them like him very often. Like he's just relentless, you know, started out at Illinois and didn't play a ton. Uh, he played, didn't play a ton. Then he got hurt and transferred to Michigan. And, you know, you talk about a defensive weapon on the floor, not just sort of his length around the rim. And, you know, he said he's an excellent rebounder. He led Michigan and rebounding, but he can, he can switch out on a point guard in any sort of screen roll situation. And he can not only stay in front of him for a couple of dribbles, he can, he can flat out guard him. And, uh, so you don't have to worry about him. And I think his offense is, uh, you know, he's lob threat. He can really run and all that, but you know, he's got a, a good touch and I think he's going to, going to get better there. But man, when he takes the ball to the basket, I mean, even that game against Duke in Washington, DC, he took a bump going up and went up and just jammed it with two hands. I think it was Boozer, but just, you know, just a ridiculous athlete, ridiculous length and a relentless kind of relentless motor. Um, so I really like him. I think he's, and that's one of the things Ryan, like I probably softened on this over the years. Like, so the biggest surprise to me was Daylon Swain going 15. You know, I had him in the twenties, you know, mid twenties or something like that. You know, he's not a shooter, but slasher, uh, good in transition. He checks a lot of boxes. Well, you know, he led Texas in scoring, rebounding, assistant steals, I think. And you know, but now you think about it and you're going, who cares where you rated him? If Chicago wanted him, uh, you could argue they could have done what Memphis didn't trade it down, but maybe that wasn't available. Take the guy you want. And so they got, uh, you know, Chicago had Caleb Wilson and Daylon Swain. That's a good, that's a good haul for the Bulls. Um, but, but that's a, that's a different way that I've looked at it over the years. Yeah. I think a lot of times we kind of lose our minds with like mocks where we go, I really like him. It's like, okay, but he's, he's supposed to go 10th and then you have the six pick. Like you can't do that. Like, Oh yeah, you're right. That'd be insane. I really liked this guy. I can't, I can't possibly take him six or seven when he's projected to go 10th. Um, I gotta know. I, I think we lose, there's too many smart people that have convinced me over the years, especially when I was younger and so addicted to the mock drafts and everything. It's like, if we didn't have mock drafts, this whole process would be different. Yeah. I believe that. Um, and we'd be happier probably. Yeah. Especially, uh, guys made around, can we, I have a couple of other thoughts here to finish, but I feel like I owe Cam Boozer a little bit more time here because, you know, when I watch Caleb Wilson, it took a while for me, you know, it took a little while. Cause in the beginning, like, I don't know who, which scout told David Aldridge that Caleb Wilson reminds him of Kevin Garnett with a jump shot where I'm like, or, or Caleb, I would say he doesn't have the jump shot yet. And Garnett was like an incredible, like his touch was unbelievable. Um, but honestly, Garnett should have shot the ball way more than he did. But, um, we kind of round up with the athletes, right? If you're not like a great shooter, we're like, Oh, you know, there's some, the form looks okay. There's not a great handle. Oh, you know, he's going to get better at that. Um, and that whole, like being, if I'm going to be wrong, I'm going to be wrong big. And I'm going to be wrong with an athlete as opposed to the other way around. Um, what is it about Boozer that maybe visually doesn't appeal to us as much as it should? Well, I think, I think it comes down to him not being one of these wow athletes that jumps out of the gym and plays above the rim all the time. He doesn't do that, but neither does Alperin Shangoon or Nicola Jokic. I'm not saying he's like those guys. He's like him in some ways, but I felt like he was the best pure basketball player in the draft. Um, you know, the productivity is undeniable, uh, but he's such a good passer and his processing skills in real time are so advanced, not just for his age but really for any age and uh i think he's going to do extraordinarily well in the nba um i think he's uh like wilson caleb wilson of north carolina he's more explosive and more wow and they're both great um boozers the better overall player in my view um the one thing about caleb wilson that you just keep kind of when you watch him in practice or in games is like you can break down film to your earlier point when you're when you you're going overboard and overthinking it you can break down film and stop the film and go look he's out of position here he doesn't have vision on the ball he's not you know he's not where he's supposed to be he's not in a stance and go through this coach speak deal and then he winds up making the play anyway um he's got unbelievable hands and anticipation he makes incredible recoveries uh and then you know on the offensive end he's got a really good shooting touch he's a good passer too he's not the passer in my view that boozer is but like that turnaround jumper he's got um and when he when he looks like he's stymied where 90 percent of players would be stopped he'll just he'll just find a way to get to get up and punch it on you um just makes these explosive off the floor plays so as he refines everything he's got a chance to be great i really believe that you um but but boozers uh uh he's not gonna fail you're not gonna miss with him and um and he's a better athlete than he gets credit for just because he's not a world-class athlete doesn't mean he's not athletic uh so he'll be he'll be fine he'll be really good in the league he was so clearly the best player on the floor of that michigan regular season game you know and that was great he still went higher than all the mission guys and all that kind of stuff it was just like man you know there was times with all three of these guys where i won to say like all right now i i like this guy the most but it just came back to peterson shot making for me where i'm like they just don't there's just not a lot of guys like this even in the nba right now uh all right couple thoughts on um on the broadcast can you can you tell when a player is full of shit anymore yeah i mean i remember a buddy of mine that i used to work with when we were assistants at duke saying uh uh boy at this time of the year everybody's eddie haskell you know and and uh that that reference is getting old you know kind of the kiss up uh that says the right thing and then it's lighting something on fire five minutes later behind his parents back um you know like things are scripted now and kind of players know what to say so when you ask them okay what is this team getting so they're getting a winner and a worker and all this other stuff a chip on their shoulder um sometimes you can tell but i think it's more watching them every day and seeing how um seeing how they relate to their teammates their coaches things like that uh how they carry themselves and you know like to your point with peterson like one of the things about peterson is he's a quiet young man and uh his words started getting parsed in the last couple of days like he had said so this one was a beauty he had said somebody had asked him you know did he watch the nba finals or something he said you know i really didn't know what to say and i said i don't know what to say and he said i don't know much of the playoffs live because i watch a lot of film but he said but i just got a new dog you know a doberman pincher and i have a new dog so i didn't really get a chance to watch the playoffs and then you're starting to hear well he doesn't love basketball not yet good anthony remember anthony edwards said the same thing he said he didn't um he didn't watch basketball he watches football like he'd prefer to be an nfl player or something people were kind of losing their minds and you know edward worked out pretty well and i think it's kind of the same thing here and he said what what other things did he say oh he said uh he said he was a loner and and you know a few people were kind of going crazy over that that oh you don't want a loner in your locker room and all that he should have said introverted like you need to take a thesaurus with him everywhere he goes like all right you know like so he's not a nightclub comic uh like when they played b when kansas played byu and it was we i did the game where we're trying to build byu kansas and it turned out to be peterson devonsa there was nothing we could do about it and maybe we shouldn't have done anything about it but in the first half of that game peterson had 18 points three steals he was six of eight from the field at halftime there was no debate who the better player on that day was it was peterson and then with that cramping thing he tapped out the second half didn't play stolen in in 18 minutes of playing time he outscored devonsa for his whole game and uh and but he he left you kind of wanting more and i don't know whether part of it was selfish that we were thinking god i want to see more of it and we didn't have a ton of information and the guy kind of got killed but he played more games than michael brown jr did at louisville and he had a back issue and we didn't make that big of a deal out of it you know people were talking about brown that is he going to shut it down and all that stuff then he gets 45 against nc state so you kind of have to look at the whole picture and sometimes it's difficult yeah that's some really good stuff on peterson and i remember too like watching that game that day because i'm like all right this is one versus two and you know there's just those moments where you go don't debate this when it's june do not debate this because this is this is an emphatic statement here and then it unfortunately ends like it opens that window of like okay but if he's not going to come back and play in the second half like how to how do you take this guy number one um and you'd have to be good with all that stuff all right last thought on the broadcast you know that i'm a huge nerd about this stuff so i don't know that i'm ever going to be happy happy all right but i think that with you andrea with legs bobby marks and obviously malika like manning the ship i think we're in a better position now than than maybe some of the the staffing in the past where i think there's like it'd be a bigger name but then that bigger name may just straight up admit like hey i didn't watch any of these guys which would always you know i'd be like great i can't wait to hang out with you for six hours um so i think that the the people this is staffed the right way and and with lisa seems to be on family that this is a family moment and we're going to do this and who am i to sit here and say that it's like i don't actually want to be raising my hand saying you know what i don't want it to be that um but is is there is it a challenge at all for you because i'm thinking about you you guys on the desk is it challenging for you at all to like to go from are we doing more on how this player fits with this team are we doing more that this is a surprise are we doing that they should have done this year um i don't know that there's as many like moments and maybe it's all of us are nicer so you don't want to be on the desk going i can't believe they took this guy he stinks there's seven better there's seven players better than you and legs like start going at it but i wonder with the structure of this first round now if it goes away from some of those like older draft moments where you just have a disagreement about basketball after a pick yeah it's kind of a balance so you know i like all of it like i like digging deep on the players and then the teams and how the player fits in and then uh you know within the draft too like but i've softened on this too like i can't remember the year but um you know the knicks took ronaldo balkman uh number 21 or something and rajon rondo was still on the board and i thought rondo was the best guard in the draft and sebastian kelfer and i didn't think he was any i didn't think he was better than rondo in fact i thought rondo was a lot better than him and i kind of lost my mind on the air and i i've done that a few times over players and i i would have done it differently now i would have said try to convey the same point but do it in a in a better way but i remember years ago jerry west coming to me saying you know why are you killing some of these guys when they get drafted you know this is the biggest night of their lives and and you know i kind of said well i get that but at the same time you can't say everybody's are and uh i remember a player from byu got drafted like number eight rafael arujo and honestly right i didn't think he was an nba player and i said so at the time um and i think i said it in a better way than i said stuff about ronaldo balkman but um you know so there's that um and you know so you want to be you want to strike the right tone but one of the things i've enjoyed over the last few years is i i've kind of softened on the fact that i've been a player for a long time and i've been on i like the interviews like in in the emotion of it um but it's like anything else you don't want to take anything too far or all that stuff but like they're like when when they're crying and their parents are crying you know my dad would if if we had cell phones my dad would have cried if i got you know drafted in a position like that that i'd finally be off his cell phone plan i could pay for my own my own stuff but um you know there is a dream come true aspect to it and then tomorrow you know now it's business and you gotta you gotta prove yourself and um uh so you just try to balance it it's it's a hard balance but i think our crew does a pretty good job of it you're right because as i get older when there's a guy waiting around i feel sympathy you know yeah i've never felt before you know and i just know i just know how i was in my 20s talking on the air i know you know 30 as you get older it's probably nicer that we all get a little softer about the whole thing um but well it's just when i say softer i don't mean i don't mean i'm not conveying the same uh thoughts uh you know like i think our job is to say the right thing at the right time in the right tone and and the tone part is kind of what i've talking about like why would i why would i be angry or come across as angry if the knicks take ronaldo balkman over rajon rondo i could just point out look rondo's a better player um i don't think this was the right pick but they must see something that i don't see you know you could you could do it in a way that uh that didn't didn't make it look like i was personally affronted by the next choice that year i enjoyed that balkman breakdown and then how about this like you ended up being okay yeah i mean he was a good but you could have gotten him in the second round was my choice or my point and then and then you're passing on rondo who i thought was a lottery pick and you know stuff like that but but you know these days maybe maybe it's just because i'm older and i don't have the energy to do it but i i wouldn't lose my mind over it uh i can't wait for tonight day two let's get it and uh as always appreciate you finding some time for us at a busy time of the year thanks no it's my pleasure thanks for having me brother we'll be right back after a quick word from our sponsors hey kirk herb street here when hurt said they needed a football analyst i assume they wanted my help turns out they wanted peter my dog i didn't even think peter knew ball well technically he knows that ball now peter's part of the hertz gold squad and we'll be making weekly picks throughout the college football season so whether you're coming to the stadium to 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check check do you know that kyle do i yeah it's cool i do go a little lower yeah that's some off-air shit right there b rabbit anyway call me cheddar bob last week now b rabbit well that was just based on the roster yeah all right cheddar bob's not even an insult yeah he did shoot himself by well i'm not saying he's the coolest he was a nice boy though yes he was kyle yes he was um the gear train rolls on for our guys so rudy fresh off the u.s open new lid fresh off of mumford and sons he was pumped this is actually a great shirt i think you would like this uh it was at fenway so it's you know mumford and sons fenway park pretty great show it was great it's like the third or fourth time we've seen him uh it was pouring basically the entire time until about an hour before the show started stopped actually met two different guys who stopped me and were like hey man fan of the show this is awesome love your solo keep doing your thing so uh it was good it was fun is that weird for you uh no not at all i you know it's i i enjoy it like i'm sure you know we keep it moving i try to have a little you know cordial conversation chat him up a little bit then keep it going but yeah it was fun i'm jealous the wife like does she appreciate this does she like this because you're on camera just all the time she's more chatty than i am so half the time i feel like she ends up talking to them more than i do so uh so it works out kind of well she's cool being with your wife when that stuff happens since la i'll tell you so you you being in the mix at the golf thing and then getting stopped at mumford and sons like yeah a little jealous good for you though i love that like score points where you're walking with your wife and somebody's like dude you're the best it's like nah you're the best see yeah keep going no she knows she knows but uh but no i think she she was definitely pumped the u.s open setup was great because you know it's like you know those guys hooked us up and we were we were just you know regular and just people in the stands at fenway i tell you what though fenway man i hadn't been i couldn't remember the last time i went god the place is awesome the entire time i'm there we're walking through like the under you know the underneath concourse i'm like i gotta watch the town again we just have to re-watch it it's boston's cathedral we gotta do it feeling it who's cow we take good good use of car i just got stuck on the wife thing it must be really cool awesome it is cool not to rub it in but yeah walking around i mean it must be great if you're in an argument with your wife which i know never happens to you guys but if you've been in an argument with your wife and then you're just randomly at lunch and somebody's like saruti you're the best and they just go but see he appreciates me yeah no it's not like that at all but yeah kyle that's never happened i don't think those timelines have ever lined up no that would be awesome though that would be sweet one day yeah nobody at tosh stopped you no no but tosh did talk a bunch of shit about mumford and sons which is so funny that's where you went yeah i get it they're an easy target it's fine yeah what's going on with them lately i've seen some criticism in the trades no i think i don't know in the trade no i think it's just more of like a you know that like millennial style of music i don't think they're stomp clap they're not stomp clap but like i think they get into that thrown into that category like it's just kind of like easy to dunk on now for like the gen z people when it's like hey man i don't know when you're selling out fenway i feel like you're doing all right um yeah he lost a ton of weight too he's like really hot now and he's also married to like a movie star so he's got a good thing going carrie mulligan i believe is his wife he's really hot now yeah he used to be kind of like chubby and you know just like a chubby british dude and now he's like kind of hot he lost a ton of weight he's got a chiseled jawline looks good in a t-shirt it's pretty good let's look this up who's he is it isn't it marcus the main guy well yeah the main guy is marcus yeah oh yeah look i saw a little side by side there yeah right he dropped 30 stones hey he looks like he could be one of those werewolves in true blood oh i don't know i think he's i think he looked better thick he was thick boy yeah he lost 66 pounds it says there you go right which is kind of crazy because like so one of his bits was and he did this when we i saw him at forest hills in queens um one of his bits for one of the songs he basically runs around the entire venue right and i'm like you know not not that he should have been in better shape but it's like man you're like doing concerts singing jumping around running around these stadiums like that's a lot of work like i feel doing that so well there's a calorie deficit now but what happens after the show that's the you know that's that's yeah he does yeah yeah he does i'm sure the pines start flowing they were a lot of boston too they were making scotland jokes about like the scots brought the rain and the english are here to make everybody happy again it was pretty funny because the world cup they were obviously big england fans so they were talking about the world cup the whole time but oh they're english now i'm out again what do you think they were i don't know i had no i thought they were from the 70s mumford and sons i don't i don't actually know it sounds like an old it sounds all right i'll do a little dig oh you know what he wasn't his picture tells me that he wasn't hotter than so you can confirm he's hotter now yeah yeah i mean look there's a bunch of i'm reading all this stuff there's a lot of decisions that went into it so good for him but this one where he swapped out sugary sweets to surf i don't know that i buy that like all right fucking mambas got a handful wait a minute we got some nice left to rights out there gotta get in the water i don't know i think everybody knows what's happening with this weight loss thing significant like massive weight loss and so nobody wants to it's kind of like being in silicon valley and all of a sudden being fucking jacked in a marvel movie and you're like what what happened like i just worked in my core like crazy yeah it's like no i just it's it's we don't do that i don't think anybody i just i think it's really misleading when people talk about like either losing weight like they just did it and you know yeah there's a company that does it for this very specifically i will say we we did when we stayed over at a at a friend's place my wife's friends in long island for the u.s open it was a big like fitness household um some military people that were there really cool people um but they're like really into fitness and the diet thing and they're in on the cottage cheese rough snacks hard boiled eggs and greek yogurt and i just my life would just be so much easier if i like cottage cheese and greek yogurt and i just don't i just don't because now like any recipe you look up now it's just all right blend up cottage cheese and put it in the thing for more protein or like you have some greek yogurt i just i don't like either of them and it sucks dump some honey on that i guess i'm never gonna be fit cottage cheese just a tough tough branding that's all all right um i think that took long enough let's see here um am i psyching myself out of a great relationship 32 years old my girlfriend and i've dated for and i have dated for three months things are moving fast first relationship where i can really see it going the distance one thing that's simmered under the surface is if i'm hotter than my girlfriend and if that even matters this thought loop was revived by one of ryan's notoriously sudden episode enders when he mentioned the emailer was hotter than his wife that gets hit on by the neighbor we have not heard back from that guy at all so we may have lost him all together but really why was he mad at us yeah yeah see so he's got me here i mean he just wasn't mumford and sons manager maybe hot guys his wife wasn't like like you know no she was attractive no slouch he was just a kind of like good looking sharp jawline yeah let me see so rudy's got a doll in the jawlines right now every guy wants uh to be the reacher in their relationship as do i i don't know if that's entirely true i mean yes i get that it's like i'd rather i don't know i mean maybe you'd rather be in a house where people are like are you renting and then when you tell them you bought it they're like damn it all right i've had bouts of where i've outkicked my coverage despite my compact frame i am left wondering if these thoughts are a natural progression now that the chase is gone or something else as an aside and we were getting a lot of these so rudy is great on the it's just soccer pod thanks man it's just uh a lot of shopping today so what do you got uh basically second round of group stage games we did like pretender contender situations and then we actually started like kind of i don't know if you saw dave portnoy's tweet about how like he thinks that he could score at his 20s like a bunch of goals at the world cup because all they do is feed the strikers so he's like if i was in my 20s i would score so he spent a good amount of time on that which was fun well that sounds exciting all right check your emails because he sent in some pictures of his um significant himself and a significant other okay i think he's better looking than his girlfriend nice smile though yeah he's pretty close yeah i think they're closer than you think he looks good he looks good in that in that third picture i'll give him that but again it's not like we're not talking about like she has great teeth for does he though yeah let me see yeah he's got pretty good teeth too i don't know it's tough he looks fit too yeah this is he looks like he's going in and out of this mustache thing which is just kidding this mustache thing is starting to really like take off this is three months in though it's not like you woke up one day you're like oh no she's not she has a different outlook on health and wellness than i do like you're three months in like this is good this is good enough for you i think right if you're happy everything else is good if you're just like wondering if if you're you know a little bit further along than she is in the hotness scale that's that's silly it's not like you woke up one day and like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna we just we have we don't look we don't look like we used to and i don't like the way you look now it's not that it's like you're just you are in your own head uh safe to say yeah like you're in the same ballpark like i wouldn't say that like you know you're a one seat and she's a 16 like it's it's i don't know like is it a two three situation i don't know it's not that is the bigger issue like why are you sending this in yeah it's a little i try not to yeah try to keep it surface level with our our friends the listeners but yeah that's a good point like you heard me say that about this other email and you're like damn it this has been on my mind so much stock so you sent us three pictures of you and your girlfriend you've been doing three months and what happens what if we're all like oh my god dude you're so much hotter you're gonna dump her thursday like don't you think the bigger issue could be that that's that's like a thing that you would do you guys look pretty close in height too that's a nice thing to have i'm just giving him pros here i don't know i'm trying to duct tape this thing together all right uh okay if anyone else tells you this then maybe wonder but i don't this guy thinks it's significant and it's a problem and he's like am i am i am i avoiding like a higher ceiling that's what this guy is doing yeah clearly because he's been thinking about this this much i don't think it's i don't think anybody's going to stop you in the street and go oh my god what are you doing man what happened yeah yeah she rich i would agree i would agree tough scene for her to uh be a bummer to happen i mean if it's in your head it's not great it's going to be in there probably forever that doesn't it's one of those things that just goes away so i'm sorry to delete this email too i would definitely scrub scrub what whatever evidence there is all right there's your life talk about get rid of people on the other end should we knock him down a peg though i mean i guess you know hey like he was six two maybe it'd be different it's five eight oh wow let's see now i can say this i'm not i'm the shortest guy on the pod i could say this well he brought it up too i'd say there's something about her like the more you look at her the cuter she gets she's cute yeah first one yeah you're kind of like what's going on but yeah i mean he's got he's got one really good picture in there all right we can't keep doing this to the audience because they're like all right uh ex-girlfriend holding my stuff hostage to pay for a hole in the wall first time right in trying to get into lifting but mostly a runner 135 half marathon personal record 26 that's a good age to be worrying about holes in the wall yeah it's kind of number one seat honestly 42 and uh there's an issue living in uh pacific northwest city just had a breakup after a three-year relationship here's a situation it was a mutual breakup just do the timing and what we want wanted where we are in life and while it was emotional we ended on good terms but suddenly my ex has gone a little rogue about a year and a half ago she had all my friends over at her apartment after an afternoon of day drinking downtown my ex had to leave for a friend's birthday left with two of her friends and let me hold down the place with my group of friends we never lived together to meet up with her later we were all pretty drunk so it wasn't really dialed in on everything that was going on next morning x and i woke up at her place and her roommate texted a picture of a massive hole in the wall and immediately asked what happened after she left and why i didn't tell her i told her i had no idea that didn't land well i facetimed my friends that were with me on the spot to see if they had any clue about how a one-foot-wide hole was created last night two of my friends mentioned they didn't know what they were doing and they were wrestling in the living room yep not a good start case closed i love case closed you know we don't know but there was an impromptu intercontinental belt matchup where we did build a ring i guess we were wrestling a little bit yeah i don't know i think we were over near the coffee table though i don't think that was us dude yeah i mean we were wrestling but a hole that doesn't sound like us we wouldn't rock up my t-shirts yeah yeah you sure that hole wasn't there before i thought i remember i remember seeing like a crazy hole oh this would have made me so sick to my stomach as the emailer just like god damn it this is my fault all right so um they mentioned they were read the sentence gets even worse they mentioned they were wrestling in her living room and might have smacked the wall but could not confirm i ended up patching the hole up myself the next day it looked fine but it never matched the original paint pattern anyway fast forward to today she texted me three weeks after the breakup telling me she had my stuff closed random things that i'd left there wanted to give it back but then dropped the text also if you could start planning the wall repair that would be appreciated the first thought i had was that i'd already fixed it at the time she told me not to worry about the paint part i told her that she said she can figure it out the problem is i quickly expressed that over text and haven't heard back i made a massive mistake i followed a few days later to plan on picking up my clothes she doesn't respond to try a few more times nothing i'm worried if i'll never get my clothes back usually i wouldn't care but i have a couple hundred dollar plus items i'd like to get back hey man that's a pricey item i'd want it back it sounds like you had a whole drawer there yeah you gotta yeah that's not like a hoodie draped over a chair that's you gotta get that some banana republic monogram button downs sounds like it but uh i'd like to get back plus a sentimental shirt from a deceased family member that she's 100 aware of all right you know sounds like a game day special uh i'm afraid she's holding my stuff hostage until i agree to pay to fix the paint pattern what should i do i really want my stuff back but definitely do not want to pay for the stupid paint pattern fix by the way shout out to saruti it's just soccer pod has been awesome two in a row nice two in a row two in a row sorry that's awesome appreciate you guys it's been a great work there's a million of them huh this is leaving the nation i thought i knew what this was and the fact that she's gone silent she's gone silent i thought i knew what this was i thought i makes me think that it's not it's not like i want to string this attention thing along a little bit be happy to to ruin your day for a little bit just want you to think about me whether it's good or bad you know what i mean but he said an amicable breakup and now that she's gone silent after he was like put give a little push back on the on the repair fee i'm not sure i know what this is anymore you might just have to can you do that part yourself the paint pattern is there is there a way that you try you could do it in one well he said he didn't try the paint he just he said it didn't match and she was like don't worry about it now it's like now the rules have changed fine that's what you can expect when there's a breakup even good or bad but can you try to do this thing yourself and then maybe at least do a do a half-ass job and then grab your stuff on the way out of there you know in a and not in a mad dash situation just sort of like all right here we go the the the silence makes me think that like she's not fucking around this isn't this isn't like uh i want to talk to you again this is this is something else yeah this feels like her friend just in her ear just being like and you can get this you hold this over his head like you can get you know blah blah and it's like all right cool like we were we thought we were done with this and now we're not done with this because you saw an advantage that you could take to get your wall fixed which i get it you man i'd be pissed you if the thing didn't match and like somebody came in did a half-ass job that you tried your best i'm sorry but like if it doesn't look the same i'd be annoyed do you i don't know man do you it seems like you're not getting your stuff without fixing this thing so charge your buddies at all and be like hey this is the situation i'm in like i i three months later being held hostage and like you guys clearly did this like could we just work something out we're like maybe we split this or we tag team the paint situation like what do we do because i don't think there's any like they have no reason to give you your clothes back they hold all the power of the situation so you kind of have to play their game i can imagine asking my friends months later it's like hey remember that thing that i told you was actually fine uh it's actually not do you guys want to kick in a couple bucks no way they would be like no way but that sucks i mean i understand like being younger and stupid and this is now half my age but to go to guys and be like hey the thing you broke i now have to pay for so you're totally okay with that because of what timing this isn't five years later you all know the deal we broke up and chances are if you're a guy at 26 that wanted different things than what she wanted at 26 that means that she's annoyed with you okay most likely you can say it's mutual amicable different places in our lives but if she was like willing to be like i could marry this guy i want to have kids and you're like nah i'm just going to chill and play video games until i'm 35 and then i'll lock in a waitress uh you know like what a line well living the dream so my my fear for you is like you're you've actually like handled this thing the right way i don't know who your paint match guy is i'm gonna get over sherman williams may not want to go you might want to go to like a real mom and pop place and like i got a dilemma you know it's a vintage brownstone walk up and they go oh my god civil war yellow they don't even make it anymore so uh i would explain to her hey i want to make this happen i want to get my stuff back i would go to the guys be like hey can you help me out here i also think if you like handle the paint match the right way you shouldn't be out like hundreds and hundreds of dollars right it should be like fairly i think this is a 200 or under thing and i do think it's it sucks your friends were like i don't know if it's being hung over the next day we're like oh maybe that i remember some rough housing but nothing nothing to that level it's like guys you 100 did it i wasn't even there when you did it can you help me out here and if they say no because of timing of this whole thing well it wouldn't be timing it would be that you already said and i fixed it it's all right you guys just god you almost really you almost got me in hot water there and then now it's going to be months later but again if they're going to do it they're all 26 dudes with their finances at 26 are it's a it's a wide berth so i mean if they're if they're good 26 they're like yeah of course but if they're like they're figuring out how to go to 26 yeah yeah where it's bad 26 it's like i hey i thought we were good like i've already cleared my conscious of it 80 bucks is a lot for me to just hand over to you right now there's something to be said about like after breakup of of having like a thing where the person has to like check in with you you know i agree so that's probably what's happening here your friends should understand maybe they don't understand it because they're 26 so yeah do a nice do a nice text or maybe a voicemail you know where you don't seem unreasonable because the fact that she's gone silent and now you're thinking more and more about this stuff um yeah i try to i try to at least keep it cordial so you can figure out where we don't even know where we're standing right now i think it'd be nice to know where we're standing so yeah be be nice be a be the nice boy you know you can be messed up it's sold uh yeah yeah and then just try to get lay the land here can i get a picture of today's newspaper in my hundred dollar shirt we'll be right 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a lot of his clips lately are you yeah i'd see people make fun of him all the time i'm like so this guy's just been bad at it for this many decades or is everybody just being a prick this is a different segment i don't know if it's a july what do people like anymore well right i mean i know you could say to a degree this has always been the case i don't know that it's ever been worse than right now you know like dylan harper can have a huge finals game and then somebody quote tweets it's be like yeah too bad about his uncle being a war criminal in bosnia you're like what i'm fucking serious i can't like dylan harper's finals right now and by the way that is not true but i mean it's just unhinged yeah short windows for 100 approval that's for sure oh what's messy is pretty high right now right i feel like most people like unless you're a ronaldo guy i don't know the ronaldo guys are i feel like those those are fake people on the internet though those ronaldo stand dudes i don't know i got a buddy yesterday you're probably right he doesn't have 100 i got a couple buddies that are definitely ronaldo guys and not in the wrong you would even maybe say anti-messy guys so i don't know because they feel like they have to be they feel like they have to be do you though or anywhere i think it's we're all-time lows of liking anything as soon as like one little thing that happens it's kind of like nice you're like it also could be just the vague tweet move of like trying to then get somebody to click on your profile because you're like is dylan harper's uncle a war criminal in bosnia like fuck it wasn't that wasn't by the way there's been a little motion on that freddie guy maybe being full of shit i know oh i sniffed that out right away all right yeah i know i was right about 2.0 i mean we're such dupes we're such dupes ken bones on one show and he's got a red sweater and it's like man ken bones the man fucking four days later he's like this guy sucks and he had some stuff yeah he had some stuff that you were like i do not want to be associated with ken bone but it's like well why did you like him so much from one question because he was a little portly his sweater looked like he'd had it a while and it was like oh man not bones ken bones all of us wednesday joe plumber on second thought all right cat versus toddler six uh six eight no i'm just kidding six one 185 no gym stats currently have a one-year-old son and a wife who is 20 weeks pregnant i'm happy to fit in 100 push-ups and a two-mile run a few times a week i'm happy that you get to do that nba comp zaza patchulia so about six months into our marriage my wife's childhood cat died i did not have any pets growing up so i had no idea what losing a pet was like and frankly i didn't see why it was a big deal for my wife it was a huge deal wait do i need to read that one again no no i know exactly what he's talking about done it a few times the last couple years for my wife it was a huge deal after a couple days of being distraught over charlie the cat dying she decided we needed a cat thinking this desire to be short-lived i passively hit her with the whatever you want sweetie football season is about to start and i was hoping she'd find something to entertain yourself whatever would stop you from being bummed out every weekend that'd be great yeah whatever stops me from talking about this again 20 hours a weekend why don't you get a pet that'll keep you busy i love you and i love football two weeks later she was sending me photos of kittens for sale and i caved in all right uh in fact i told her if we're gonna get the one cat we may as well get two so they can have a buddy again this guy has no idea about pets like he has zero idea what two yeah just throwing it on there you go well bogo confirmation again i'd never owned a pet before so i had no clue what i was getting into admittedly the first year of having kittens was great just about every photo of my camera roll that year was of the kittens it was certainly a lot of work and i was like oh my god but i had some fond memories watching maction on a tuesday night while two tiny kittens cuddled up on my chest fast forward two years we now have a 12 month old son running around the house with another baby on the way and five months ever since we had a kid the cats have not been the priority rightly so but instead of a fun distraction they become quite the burden frankly these cats are painting my ass they tear up the furniture shed fur everywhere and track litter all across the house now that my son is crawling he frequently has litter or fur on his hands and has tried to eat cat food on multiple occasions on top of that one of the cats has cost us 1200 bucks this year to treat his utis the other cat throws up on the floor multiple times a week sounds like you get a couple dud cats man or it sounds like it sounds like your wife doesn't really have the understanding of a salary cap on a year for a cat we're going 1200 on utis so i don't know that's a tough it's a tough one for a guy who's like well obviously we're not going to spend more than this and the other person's like what are you talking about i'm going to open up a line of credit like it's like there's two different kinds of people and if they're together that could be tough yeah but i mean you're talking about this isn't about like getting waved and then the cat becomes a free agent somewhere else this is sort of like yeah we are committed we're pocketed well you can't be like hey if it's north of three grand we're putting it down yeah sorry that's what we got yeah you can't okay well that's what i'm thinking that kyle's saying and i was kind of like i'm saying there's usually one guy that's thinking that way another person who's like you're out of your mind these rabbits you can't take the cat pit hon we're gonna put this in the second apron oh these analogies we have very few options after that all right we're gonna wave and stretch it what does that mean all right sure they have their moments where they nestle up next to you and you uh you enjoy their presence but it's pretty clear that the cons outweigh the pros my wife came to me the other day and said we should re-home them i didn't even know that was an option but after looking at multiple humane societies in our area it seems like a fairly normal thing to do this guy doesn't know anything it's he doesn't know well i didn't know that i didn't know where you get him i didn't know you could get rid of him that'd be great if people were like hey can i take it with you guys for like four months i think we need that my roommate brian yeah we just yeah let's see a different he keeps leaving sandwiches out like stretch with us can we just we're not saying we'll never take them back i don't know how he keeps getting toothpaste somewhere else just you guys are closer to the park that was a good one be just the interview process hey what's going on brian was a great name but would your roommates have to bring you in right you couldn't do it on your own the hand over your like birth certificate like this is in the dentist's office tell us a little bit about yourself brian uh say it's been a rough year is putting it mild all right all right i don't know that that was that funny but now i have tears my question is this um all right do we suck it up and give give up these cats after three years or are we smart to cut bait before our kids have any emotional attachment appreciate any feedback love the show keep up the good work if you want two cats hit me up photos attached they're good looking cats i'll say that um one of those look like an absolute fur ball i could see why he'd be a little bit annoyed with the fur so interesting that his wife the cat person is the one who pitched this idea i thought it would have been his his doing like how do i how do i get this across the finish line but it sounds like i mean this guy's screwed up a bunch of different ways huh get two yeah that seems seems tough i i gotta be honest i i hate this uh yeah i'm one of those people like unless it's like a real need danger i kind of don't think you give me like you you made this decision like you keep keep the animal like because you you bring this thing to the humane society and they're just gonna sit in a you know in a cage for however long and you know i don't know people do adopt i guess older cats but usually it's the kitten situation that gets that that gets taken first so like i don't know their situation's probably gonna suck are you gonna be able to live with yourself probably it seems like you don't really care um i just think it's kind of lame that you're ducking out of this responsibility i'm gonna be honest i mean you've got a couple of said yeah i think that's probably what we were all thinking um you got a couple i mean i don't want to if i wasn't i didn't want to i wouldn't admit it so good on that right could you retrofit that not retrofit your house that sounds crazy but is there a place you could like make it more desirable for them to be and then maybe that's a room that gets the deep clean every once in a while like you know there's always the most people would think this is crazy but there's the inside outside cat option i don't know what kind of what you're working with there you know i don't think you can you guys just knock off outside though i'd be like hey actually now you're an outdoor cat figure it out sometimes it takes a little while yeah i mean if kittens usually grow up they have to figure it out they have to yeah so i think there's a couple of options here outside of the drastic you know re-home situation so i don't know i i'd think about what kind of space you have and and what you can do with it there's ways to maybe not have them be in your face and making mess all the time but i don't know cats kind of do what the they want yeah i will say i you know i've obviously i've said i've got two dogs and a cat the cat we don't really see a ton it kind of is the lowest maintenance of the animals dude maybe get a dog and the cats will be uh you know i would not do that i would definitely less available i would not do that let me go not not not your best uh out there but there is a there is like when you have kids so we had the two dogs before we had kids and then when you have the kids like it is kind of sad because you just there is a neglection of the dogs and you can kind of see their eyes and you just have less time like it is what it just sucks like you just have less time like hey man like i can't go for the amount of walks that we went for like i can't you know we're not gonna play fetch in the backyard all the time as we used to and it is kind of like a bummer that no like new parents tell you is like if you do have pets like it does it is kind of sad initially and then they just kind of get used to it i think and then they start playing with the kids and becomes funny fun again so it comes around it's gonna be you could tell your dog was like hey not really we're not really putting in the numbers that we used to we have one dog one we have with dachshund who takes he we always joke he sucks the air out of every room he's in because he's just like the most selfish dog selfish dog ever like he just always will figure out a way to be next to you under a blanket and the other one is like a little bit more timid he's the bigger one and he's the one you can tell like it's kind of he got a little sad there for a year or two but now the girls are like old enough where they can like mess around with him and play and it's fun and he i think he's had like a second lease on life i guess he's 10 now so he had like a bunch of years without him it wasn't even dark times it's just different man like you just tell that he kind of mopes around a little bit where it's like hey this is we used to start times maybe it wasn't a lowry with the heat like it's not over yet it's like yeah it's good all right there are a couple options there then yeah yeah so rudy that was some great delivery that person did not compliment you on the podcast just for the record i don't want kyle to get freaked out we went three for three on that that'll do it for the show today thanks to tom thanks kevin thanks to sruti thanks to kyle the ryan rossillo show barstool sports you