2914: 5 Rules for Building a Lagging Body Part (The Ones Nobody Tells You)

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If you love us like we love you, why not show it by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs or training gear over at Mind Pump Store.com. I'm talking right now, hit pause, head on over to Mind Pump Store.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Do you have an area of your body that you'd like to develop faster than the others? If you have a lagging body part, here's what we're going to do. We're going to talk about the five rules for building a specific body part. If you want to bring up a laggy body part, you better listen up. Let's get to it. Yes. What do you think? What percentage of people have in body part that they want to develop more than the other 100? Yeah. I know. I know. I know. So it doesn't. Super common. And it's actually, I do want to say this. It takes a while. I think that's the first thing that I want to do. I want to do that first. Sometimes I'll see people focus on a body part. I've only been doing it for two months. I don't see a big difference. In my experience, first off, building muscle takes a while anyway. But bringing up a lagging body part, which means you want it to come up a little faster than the rest of the body. Typically, you want to give yourself about a year. I would say. How do you feel about that? It's not in your five rules here that I think should be included in the conversation at least. I love that. Ben Pekolsky talks a lot about this. And a lot of times, a lagging body part is related to a poor connection. Yes. Sure. So that's outside the rules that you're talking about, which I think these are more related to programming. And that way, and assuming that you have a good connection to it, these are the rules. But I think sometimes people might be following some of these rules, but have a poor connection to it. You see this often includes calves, chest sometimes, or probably the most common route back, where the delts. There's a lot of muscles that people tend to have a hard time connecting to. And they may be doing a lot of these rules that you're about to go over, but then still not seeing results. So I'd like to add that to the conversation is out. Another reason why sometimes I want to give somebody a long, you know, runway to expect, like, return on this. And so a year is part of it. Yeah, is that is a lot of a good posture analysis and really see if like you're getting to that range of motion you need to, to really be able to, you know, fire off that muscle like effectively and really recruit at the maximum amount that you can. Yeah, it's good point because a good example will be like trying to develop my glutes, let's say. And a barbell squat is traditionally a phenomenal exercise for building the glutes, but there's a lot of muscles involved in a barbell squat. And there's a ratio of force that is being produced by the quads versus the hamstrings versus the glutes and other stabilizing muscles. That can be different from person to person. So you could do squats in a way where you're really developing the quads more than anything. And then there's ways to do squats where you're hitting more of the glutes than you normally would. And sometimes what happens is because you have a lagging body part, you'll do the right exercises, but the emphasis is where you want to force the other muscles. Yeah, like you could bench press and do a lot of shoulders and triceps in a bench press, for example. So technique is key, understanding biomechanics, what that muscle does and how you can adjust your technique and form. And oftentimes that means you got to go lighter with the exercise to emphasize the area you want to target. And as you go through these five keys or rules of for building, if you are, if you're like, yeah, I do that. Yeah, I do that. Yeah, I do that. If you check all these boxes and you still have that lagging my part, most likely it's because of this. I would say slow down, feel the muscle, change your technique. Oftentimes you have to go lighter. You're going to make that an isometric. They're helpful. That's right. All right. So first is to train it longer. In other words, in the workout itself, when you're working the lagging body part, spend more time on it. Okay, typically this refers to as this is referred to as volume within the workout. So let's say I'm training full body. Okay, just make it easy. I'm training full body and I'm doing three sets per body part. Well, if my lagging body part, let's say is my chest, then I may train five sets or six sets and just spend more time on that body part than I would other body parts. So I know this sounds kind of obvious, but oftentimes people don't realize this in their training. No, I think that the fear or the mistake that's made from this rule or tip is they just train it longer and then they do all the other things still. So there's 60 minute workout now. It comes. Yeah, 90 minutes because they're doing more of the chest or more of the thing. What we're going to get to. And so I think that's part of the mistake here is like, yeah, you I mean, a lot of times, wait, so this would happen for me, right? Show after show. There was always a plan going into the next off season of like, what am I going to try and improve before the next stage presentation. And man, some of my workouts, like a big portion of them was just focused on this muscle group or a major big leg. If it was just to be a lot of a lot of barbell bench press and a lot of resting between and getting myself prepared and like and really letting go some of the other stuff and not worrying too much about it because it takes very little to maintain the stuff that you've kind of already built up. And when you're really trying to focus on bringing a lagging body part up because of the point I make that it's not just about some of these key rules. It's also about being better connected. I don't want to just add a bunch of volume and be reckless. I really want to focus on my technique. I really want to put energy that way. And so I think sometimes people have a hard time of like letting some of the other stuff go a little bit and not focus so much on it while doing that. Yeah, and I think this may fall into the training at longer category, but like to really emphasize, you know, that muscle group as I'm performing the reps, but I'm really getting that slowing down, getting that squeeze, you know, where it's most impactful in the in the rap and I might stay there a little longer. It might turn into a little bit of a pause rap. The tempo might be affected a bit, but, you know, really over emphasizing the recruitment process. So you're spending more time on it. Yes. The next thing, by the way, all of these go together. Okay. So as we go through all of these, you got to do all of them. You don't just do one, for example. The next one is to train it more often. So if you train on average, every body part twice a week, then train the lagging body part three times a week. Again, this may seem obvious, but this is how you emphasize and prioritize the lagging muscle group. And this is true for it doesn't I don't care what the body part is. You're going to increase the frequency at which you train it to get it to develop faster than the rest of the body. Yeah. Then we have this train it first here. I think this one is less obvious to people because we tend to have our workout programming within a workout and there tends to be these kind of general rules that we, you know, for example, if delts is my body part, that's the lagging body part almost always in workout programming if chest is trained in the same workout as shoulders, you train chest first. And this generally makes sense when I'm bench pressing or incline pressing, my delts are involved. And so I don't want them to be fatigued when I'm doing these compound lifts. But when I'm trying to develop a lagging body part, I don't care. You literally train it first. I'll go as far as to say this. Let's say you're lagging body parts, you're biceps. This isn't always the case, but are often the case. Well, let's say it is biceps. And it's back in biceps. Yeah, you could definitely train biceps before back, especially if your back is well developed in biceps or you're focused. Well, I was going to go as far as to say to that, we'll stay with the shoulder example. Even we've, it would almost be blasphemy to see somebody, you know, do shoulder press before they would use do squats or deadlifts. But I am. That's right. If it's a lagging body part and I've got great legs, then it's the legs movements are going to take a back burner. And I'm going to give I want it first in the workout and first before anything. I want all energy put towards that muscle group to start off every workout so I can give it everything I got And that just is and again that goes that's kind of contradicts our general rule right so when we're talking about the Training the general masses of just overall balance development We would never say that but since this is specific to lagging body parts This is where the rules get bent a little bit and now you might see me do these exercises That you would never normally see me By the way, these are these are this is an old rule of the preaches to call it prioritization Of training at first. It's an old rule But we now have data to support this They find that the strength gains and muscle gains You get a little more of them for the first exercise that you perform or the first exercises you perform in a workout now generally speaking You want it to be those big compound lifts in the beginning right my dead lifts Yeah, I'm gonna do those first before I get to my shoulder presses because it's such a big lift But again, if you have a lagging body part train it first and put more emphasis in that direction again The data supports bodybuilders have known for that. I mean you you you gave the crazy example of even biceps I did this with calves when I was competing their calves before Was my biggest lagging body part and because I'm on stage presenting I actually cared for the first time You know that okay? I can't it can't be so glaringly obvious that I'm out of whack And so yeah for I don't know three years there Every workout started with calves and so I applied all these principles So I it was it was first it was damn near every single workout It was just that was what I had to do to Bring them up and it worked incredibly so I mean even a dumb small muscle like that would get prioritized to the first in the workout Now the next two rules very important okay, so we talked about training it longer more often training it first now Here's where it gets difficult for people This next one is you got to take away From the rest of the body okay, in other words, I can't just add volume add frequency prioritize body part On top of the already volume that I'm performing in my workouts. This is how you over train. This is how you go nowhere This is how you hit all this is how you hurt all of your gains and all of your progress So what you got to do is you take your if you have a workout program that you're following That feels good you recover well You're getting stronger. It's like this is a good total look at the total volume that you're doing for your body now Here's what you do with it You can take them away from some areas and add it to others But what you can't do is just add volume It's like those video games that you play where you're building your character Yeah, and you've got a hundred points and you got to put some to speed and to strain that you can't just add And create at a nowhere you can't just slap volume and frequency Onto a body part without taking away from others now Here's what people mess up. They don't like to do this because they think yeah, I do I definitely want to bring up my glutes But I don't want to take away volume for my I don't want to lose my chest. You won't You will not very little Far less volume than what you're going to take away is required to maintain that muscle In fact, you'll still build those areas. You're just going to build the lagging body part a little faster The biggest mistake people make with this is they just add more They take their normal workout that's been working fine. I want to add more chest I'm just going to throw more sets onto my chest Overtrained can't recover can't adapt now. I'm going nowhere almost like your energy bar Yeah, you only have so many like cells for that to distribute and move in the way well especially especially who this episode is for right Because we typically are talking about a you know three-day full body routine is what we generally tell most beginners your first couple years just Focus there the person who's who's gonna be drawn to an episode like this has probably been training for a while They're trying to bring up a lagging body part This person is probably been pretty consistent. I mean actually if you are listening to this and you think this is you and you haven't been consistent with just doing Get consistent first. Yeah, get consistent. You're lagging body part because you're not working. Yeah Yeah, I get like get consistent with the big major lifts and do that for a while and just to allow it to do its work, right? That would be my advice if you're listening to this and you think it's you and you haven't been consistent like go be that first But now let's you let's say you are consistent and you have a lagging body part which is super common Those people are the people like you said they're they've proven to be so consistent They've brought up all these other body parts. They're so afraid to let go of that. It's like it's so wild how little You have to do on those other ones to maintain what you've built and so if you really want those max results from the lagging body part and the extra energy That you're putting towards that you really got to let go so here's what the data says okay And I'll I'll speak in sets so that it's it's much more applicable, okay? Let's say on average for the week You do 15 sets for back okay? How many sets do I need to do to not lose muscle two back to three two or three? Yeah, okay? So if you take four sets away and you're at 11 you're still building everybody you can go all the way down to two sets a week That's one set a one day one set another day. Yeah, and you're not gonna lose muscle So this tradeoff isn't gonna hurt you like you think it will In fact, it hurts you if you don't do this So if you're adding volume and frequency to a lagging body is got to come from somewhere by the way In order to do a proper volume trade It has to be Exercises that are similar yeah, you can't you can't cut out three sets of bicep curls and add you know four sets of deadlifts No, no, no, no, no, no, like this lucky no, it's compound lift to compound lift intensity to intensity Yeah, type of deal and lastly this is a big one Uh, if you want to build something you have to eat in calories surplus. All right, so here's the problem oftentimes people say this I want to build my butt, but I also want six pack outs I want to bring up my chest, but I also want to drop five percent body fat. All right, you gotta choose one You're not gonna do both at the same time. Yeah, in order to build anything including a lagging body part You have to feed yourself enough So that it can build no matter how good your programming is if you're eating any calorie deficit If you're eating less calories in your burning you're not eating enough protein carbohydrates and fats You won't build it doesn't matter how good the workout is. I mean this is this is to both sexes But I find this is really got a hammer this home for my female clients My female clients are the ones that were mostly challenged with Eating in a surplus to build those body parts and You just have to it's a muscle. It has to be fed I don't care you have the best training program In the world and getting the greatest recovery taking all the best supplements But if you're in a chloric deficit And doing all those things you're just not gonna build a butt. Mm-hmm. You're not gonna build your delts You're not gonna build your legs or whatever the muscle is that you want a lagging body part If you don't give it the material Required to build that tissue. It's just not going to totally now earlier you brought up calves. I was reading this this dude. There's these great Posts and I brought some stuff up here. Um, just to kind of did you did you see a Ay Adam fat ay Adam I had some great cast Where yeah, he's his Corvette the Corvette the Corvette the other boy's I got a lot of compliments Like you know you actually don't look so bad as a fat guy You're a good big guy That's the other deal and then made it I thought it was pretty funny. I love our staff gets the poke fun You know, it's to that point is the audience so they know they a lot they may not know this So much of our content we are unaware of no we see it the first time you even stuff that we We should use the word they will just ask us questions or direct us in a way We get surprised, but we're surprised I'd say eight at a ten times of like oh, I had no idea That's where they were going with this so just so the audience is right so I so this guy did this post and I don't know what his background is But he was talking about um like biomechanic and anatomy Advantage of athletes and he was going down the list of like There are certain big glued athletes. There are certain body parts certain anatomical, you know polymorphisms that benefit Certain types of performance and you see this now first off everybody can improve their athletic performance Everybody can become faster everybody can become stronger Just through training and practice, but when you get to the top levels of Athleticism what you see is this kind of self-selection bias of people who are gifted With movement who also work hard, but also whose bodies are made for that particular suppose a good example is like a swimmer A top level swimmer has really short legs and a really long torso long arms And kind of this wide kind of back. Yeah, you look like a canoe anyway this guy comes on he was talking about Cathensertions I thought this was now we've observed this right, but I thought was really cool. So high-cathensertions Are really good for speed like really good for speed because you have Less muscle speed and jumping right yeah because you have less muscle mass lower on the lower leg Which creates less inertia you also have a longer larger tendon which creates more stiffness and quickness Longer calf insertions produce more stability and force so I'm like thinking about swi- I can now jump jump jump As I breathe this I look at your calf For sure dog for sure we use that true I'm gonna be able to drive you you know drive me for sure Delay out you know I thought it was really cool because I'm thinking like top power lifters you could squat and deadlift they typically have long You know, it was never real great. Jeff is critical. Yeah, but then short calves you look at sprinters. Yeah, they have these tiny little I mean look at all basketball players I mean most basketball players if you don't have good calves there or at least not like aesthetically good They're like these high little bass tiny. Uh-huh. Yeah - Yeah, it makes them great for jumping. - It's really, really cool. And I just got me thinking about all the, I've heard Paul Faberance break that down before. - Did he really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard him break that down before, why that is. So how I'll benefit from it. - I have sled moving calves, dude. (laughing) - It's funny 'cause bodybuilding, it really, I mean, you get awarded for really long muscle bellies, which is not great for running sports for the most part. You don't want super long muscle bellies for running sports. - Yeah, that makes sense. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know, it kinda makes a lot of sense. - Yeah, yeah. - You know, wrestlers probably do well, I would think with long muscle bellies. - Well, I think wrestlers are, was one of the sports that is the ideal mesomore, which is in the middle of everything. - Yeah. - Like I remember seeing like the semantotypes and then it like what sports. And wrestlers tend to be the-- - His explosive and is endurance. - Yeah, they tend to be right in the middle. They tend to like mesomorph is like perfect for wrestlers, it's a little bit of both. - I wonder if they've ever done like studies on boxing. - I know boxers, heavy hitters tend to have bigger hands. That makes sense, right? More mass. But I wonder if they have like bigger heads. I would imagine. - Oh, for sure. - Like, big or a skull. - And you know, very big head. - The first time I ever-- - Big skulls. - The first time I realized that I was in my early 20s we were in Vegas, we were at the Hard Rock Cafe. And there was a USC fight that we were there for. - Did you see T-Dore T's? - Yes. - Have you ever seen like T-Dore T's guy? - He's like a toddler head. - Bro, he looks like a bobble head. In real life, he looks like a bobble head. - I know. - I would miss him. - Yeah, he walked in the elevator and it like, pictures don't even do a justice. You have to see-- - You head butt, my head. - You have to see that. - You just hit me in the head. - You have to see his melon in person. It's just, it's not, it's just, I mean, you can kind of tell on pictures, but it does, I mean, I've seen it. I had seen him on TV and pictures forever before I seen a person. - Right, I've seen him in the-- - And he got in the elevator with me and I went, oh my God, like that, his net too. - And that face, like everything is like giant. - He's got a big square. - Yeah. - This is a big giant and he's just like, oh my God, no wonder he could take a punch. - Yeah, you know. - Yeah, you'll see like really good jujitsu guys. Some of the best, they're like really linky. - They've made a little long limbs. - Yes, they tie you up with and choke you with and you know, throw a triangle choke on you with these long ass legs and it's pretty funny, but anyway, it's really interesting to me. So I like to, you know, I'm like thinking of different athletes and what some of the advantages that they would have, you know, as a result. - Yeah, yeah. - Which is funny, talk about swimming. I remember when I learned this about swimmers, about their body type. Of all the sports, it's the one sport where if you're built for it, you are not built for anything else. - Yeah, that's me. - Like high level, you know, the polymorphism. - Yeah, I was trying to do everything else, grown up, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, I'm saying. - I could have been an Olympic level swimmer. - Oh, he used web fingers, dude. - Yeah. (laughing) - Nero hips, thin legs, long arms arms, wide back, narrow waist. I mean, that's, that's, you would have crushed. - No, it's so mad. - It's swimming. - So mad. - You know, I see, it's really, I'm excited though. And maybe this is my redemption, 'cause I'm watching my son and my son is like, taking to the water like a fish right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Does he have your proportions? Do you see? - It's hard to tell before you go over it. - He's a blend of Katrina and I, which, so I don't know if he's fully, it's hard to tell. There's times where it looks like he's gonna be just like me. Then there's times where I kind of see her. He seems to be a little bit thicker than I was, but not, he's pretty thin and tall. So he looks like he might end up being like me, but he does look like he's got a little bit more thickness than I have, but not a lot. So he'll be close to my, my friend, but he definitely is already, you know, taken to the water. - You know, it's funny with kids too, as they grow, especially when you go through puberty. They don't grow evenly. - No. - Like, you're like, whoa, do you do this for four years? - Your feet grow, but everything else needs to be said. - No, he's in that, he's in that spur, like that right now. I just, I told the trimmer that yesterday, I was just like, I was like staring at him. And, it's like, what are you looking at? I'm like, I said, he's looks different right now. He's hit a gross burr. I can't put my, I can't wrap my head around what I see different. I can just, you know, when you probably look at your kids like that and you can see it. Sometimes you're not even sure what it is. Just like, yeah, he definitely looks like he's gotten older. Yeah, speaking of him, Katrina, I didn't even know I did this. And she called me out on it. And I was like, you know, I don't do that. And then I literally like caught myself doing it like right after I just told her like, I don't do that. Oh, shit, I do that. I don't know, I do that. I have this habit that I guess my son does now is before he pees, he spits in the toilet. I just didn't know. Why? Yes, you do do that. Oh, you've caught me do that. Yes. I don't even, that's not just the you thing. I've seen, it's like a relatively common thing. I always, every time I met a urinal, that every time, but oftentimes a guy goes up spits in it first and then what is that? I do it outside. I do it inside. I do it. In place you can do it. Yeah, that's it. So I know, I know I have, I know I have a bad habit of reading. So I look at it, why do men spit in the urinal before you? Why no focus on aiming things? I have a pretty good idea of what minus. So because of my allergies and so that, I constantly could get like mucus build up and so I've always like always been a spitter. Okay. Because of that, they just get it out. I don't like that. It's gross to me. Stop just to. And so when I'm in a house, and I'm obviously not spitting outside, it's the first thing I go to pee is like the first appropriate place I could spit. And so I think that's why I do it. So AI says that men often spit before you. Or you spit this one. So stuff just it. Man often spit before urinating as a subconscious way to relax and focus to clear out the unpleasant taste or actually define this in public restroom. Well, I definitely feel like I clear out the unpleasant taste and stuff in my mouth. It's like, cause I feel like it's like that. That's usually why people spit. Or simply as an ingrained learned habit. You're not the only one, dude. I see that. That's the thing. Yeah, I was locked the first time. I knew like I kind of knew I did it a little bit, but I didn't realize it was like such a habit until she's like, oh, I see your son has your habit. And I'm like, what's that? And she's like, I should go, I watch him go pee now. Every time he pees in the toilet, he spits before he did it. He got that from you. And I'm like, really? And then I like literally right after that caught myself like the next three times. I'm like, oh, why? I do just spit outside. So gross. That's just a poop. Gross, dude. I think what's more gross is when you, like I have all that allergy mucus stuff going on inside of me, like keep it in there. You know, it's really gross that I caught Justin doing at least three times, like in the last 10 years. He does the rocket. Oh, that is gross. That is gross. He does do that. He did that is way grosser. My opinion than a like spin-off. You guys are much of women. I said, you football thing. It is. I said, you're helping me. I just got cleared. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no other opportunity. Yeah, your face is-- You can't blow your nose. You have your helmet on. So you just stick your finger up there. Oh, my god. I don't need to stick it in there. I just blasted out. I mean, in your helmet up here. Like in your helmet, you just, yeah, that's a football thing for sure. All my football buddies, all of-- I guess if you're playing football and you're blasting-- Yeah, yeah. You're running into a show. You're probably right. That's probably where it came. 100% of that is all my-- I don't know. None of my friends that didn't play football don't do that. All of my football buddies. Well, that and like my nose is crooked. You know, I broke it a few times. And so it's like it's one of those things. I just-- It's cleared out for me to-- So that's how I feel about the allergies and the mucus clearing it out. It's just like me clearing it out all the time. Your nose doesn't look like you broken nose, if you think, no. It's not bad. It always reminds me of it. This is a good life. She's like, why did you-- because I reset it myself. I never went to the doctor. And it was like way over here in front of the mirror. Just-- Oh my god. Oh my god. Could it back in place? Would you break it for me? No, is it a concert? It was mosh-pitting? Yeah. Of course. Oh my god, bro. Did you leave a concert? We were like, I'm going to finish this with-- No, I just stayed and just bled. Oh my god. You're such a beast. Well, the guy-- I mean, you know, there's a cheap shot and then I finished the guy-- You went back in there? Yeah, yeah. It took him out. But yeah, he totally got me from the outside just-- as I was running by in my nose with like that. And he ran away. I knew he was done. I was just like, oh, just bled like blood. Oh god. Oh god. That's terrible. That's terrible, dude. Yeah, I got to bring up something to you. I just learned today that's wild. So do you guys know the Joe Weeder, the famous bust-- Can you pull up Joe Weeder? He's bust. Oh, it is. So Joe Weeder-- He's like-- He's on all his protein. Yeah, so he's like one of the god-- he's like the godfather of bodybuilding, right? He had all the bodybuilding-- What do you get to tell us about this? He had all the bodybuilding magazines. Weeder is the Mr. Olympia. Back in the day, they came up with the Weeder training principles. And he made bodybuilding something that you can make money off of. For supplement companies that made money, some of the first ones were based off. Anyways, like a genius, right? In that sense. Well, it is he who convinced Arnold to come over. He's the one that signed Arnold and all that, right? OK, so that bust right there is fake. I was just going to ask you is it fake? Really? What he did-- What he did? He had his photographers take a picture of what is his name? I can't-- Robbie Robinson. You're not even his body. You like that they're-- I never believed it was his bodybuilding. Do you know who Robbie Robinson was? Oh, you never even-- I don't know, it's worse than you think, Doug. So Doug, look up, just put-- No, no, no, do the same thing. You did Joe Weeter bust and then put Robbie-- I'm just going to show you how long we've been-- We've been photoshopping. What? And fake-- So Robbie Robinson is a famous bodybuilder from the '70s. Oh, wow. So it was him. Took his body. He took his picture and then had them-- It's a black dude, too. Yeah, it's two. Even funnier. Oh, my god. Even funnier. Is he-- Yeah. That's taking music. Yeah. We're going to take their bodies. Way to go, Joe. Way to go. No, it's his body. It's his body. The guy's-- So Robbie Robinson, he posed for the picture, not knowing that they were still his face. Did he ever get any rights for that? Oh, really? Would Joe Weeter look like? Yeah, that's how he looked. - We look like later. - Wow, dude. - That's what he looked like later. He was never that jack, bro. That's, is not funny. - That's funny. - Dude, you know what's funny? Can you go back to that picture of the real picture of him? Like, that's what his name is. - Do you hear him shouting at his face? - He's trying to look buff. Like, he's not even buff at all. - No, Weeter was never jacked. - He was skinny. - He was into it. Him and his brother ran into it. - Yeah. - They were into, if they were just released. - I mean, it's always like that, dude. - You know what they were? The most famous are the best marketers. - That's what he was. - He's a great marketer. - Weeter, the Weeter brothers, were brilliant at marketing. And what they did is they used magazines as a way to market all the supplements and crazy. - I had no idea. - Yeah, dude. - That is hilarious. - I learned that today. - Just today, you found that out. - I just found it out today. - Wow. - I had no idea. 'Cause that famous, that's a famous bust. - It changes everything. - That's a famous photo. - That's a super famous photo. - Yeah, dude. - Everybody knows that. - That's on all, the fact that he-- - That's the photo. - That's the original photo. - That's one of the original photos right there of Robbie. - That was the one. - He would have come down. - The fact that he was able to put that on his, all his supplements in that. - And Robbie Robinson. - He didn't get any rights to it, huh? - Remember Robinson was his athlete. He paid Robbie Robinson. - Oh no, he took his likeness. - Now I wonder how he, how Robbie Robinson found out or proved it. - Right out the gates, he knew it was him. - I mean, it's kind of in his English. - He saw the bus, he's like, that's my body. - I guess he saw your-- - I guess that's true. - Yeah, I guess. - Especially if I just-- - That's me. - I'm like, I just did that. - I'm not as armed as me, but white. - What's crazier? - What's funny about this white me? - I don't-- (laughing) - I'm not an older Jewish guy with the bus that I hate when I'm black thinking. What's going on? I tell you what, if you really, I mean, I never thought about it, but I'm sure if you asked me, I would have been like, well, of course that's not the body, because I knew we'd are-- - Well, as I doubtless say, Doug's like, I never really thought it was his body. - Yeah, but to know he took it off of someone else. - Yeah, I thought he just was-- Yeah, Robbie Robinson, by the way, he got, I mean-- - Obviously the easiest way to do it. - Well, he also got, just, he just got shafted in the '70s and '80s. He had one of the best physiques, incredible posing. - Yeah, she'll never have his stage photos. - Bro, I actually don't know if he was. - Robbie Robinson had an incredible physique. He did as an old guy too. He still really fit looking. - How old is he now? - Oh, is that him? - Yeah, that's him now. - That's him old? - That's 75, wow, look at him. - Look at him. - Yeah, wow. - But he had an incredible physique back in the day. And he trained with all the grades and all that, but he never got the, he never got the accolades that he deserved. - Wow, great physique. - Yeah, that's ridiculous. - Incredible physique anyway. So I went, I started to use it. - Well, they stole it. - Justin, did you get, I think you told me from our partners at MPHormones, you have the Siamaksa Lang. - Oh yeah, you have the combo. - I have, yeah, I have the combo. I've been doing that consistently. The last few weeks and it's one of those, yeah, 'cause I used to do the pill version of like, Salancan, and I actually much prefer this because I feel the difference of it, especially inflammation-wise. - Yeah, so Siamaks. - So this is pill, not the knockout. - So this is a sub-Q injection. - It's comboed, yeah, Salancan. - So here's what I like about, so our partners at MPHormones.com, it's the Vita Bell is the company. And they have these great peptide combo vials. So some peptides you can combine, others you can't because they're different pHs and they'll learn and act and you can't be different. - Yeah, they have different. - Some you can. - Attributes. - And I love that because like, they have something called the closed stack. I talked about that, which is BPC157. TB500 KPV and GHKCU. And it's all together, it's like for recovery, it's like. - It's a BPC157.com. - It's a BPC157.com. - It's so annoying to have to pen yourself four times for this. - Right, that's the thing. - It's the Wolverine Stack and then some is what that. Then they also took Selenck and Siamaks, which are both for cognitive function and performance. Siamaks is more stimulating. Selenck is more enzolidic. They work differently, but combining them together is just great. So they're just like- - Yes, Selenck for me is like the clarity and it's more like, I guess like brain fog and it's like somewhat more attributed if I had some kind of like brain inflammation versus like, yes, Siamaks is like a memory recall is just huge for me with that. - They both raise BDNF. They both help improve how your body uses Selenck. - How long you been dating? - Probably four weeks, yeah, a month. I just started yesterday. - Oh, you just started. - I just started my yesterday. - Oh wow. - And it comes all in one in one while. - Now you said I haven't reordered anything yet. I just go in my portal. - You just hit reorder. - That's it? - You click on the button. - Oh, is that easy? - Is that easy. Click on the button and you can write a note if you want. Really like this. Send. And then they'll send it to you. - That's dope. - And two days later. - Oh, that's cool. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm getting ready for a refill and I hadn't done it yet. I was just like, what's- - Are you doing any peptides or are you just doing nothing? Why? You know they send them to us if we want. - I know, I know. You know I've done everything. - I've done everything. - You know what you would like is the close-down. - Katrina loves that. - You would like that. - Katrina takes that. - With your skin, you would love that. - Yeah, I just, I'm not very consistent with a lot of things. - Like that. - And peptide stuff for me is like, I'm very consistent with my TRT. I've been really, really good with that. And that's the most life-changing thing for me. - Of course. - Keeping that balanced. - Of course. - I'm trying to get better about, especially after talking to Cabral the other day. My Omega's in my vitamin D on a regular basis. Like I don't. - Stables. - Yeah, exactly. So I'm trying to be better about my staples before I even like, I mean, it's what we preach all time, right? It's like, before I go layer on the latest greatest peptide. - You know what you could do? I would get you consistent at least when we're at work. If you brought it to work, I'd get it for you. - I was. - Doing here. - No, no. - If you put your peptides there and you told me, I would definitely get it off my face. - How about giving me that way with the vitamins first, bro? If we started with stabbing me, how about you give me some, give me on my vitamin D just making some noise. - Yeah. - I'll sneak a special. - I mean, you're walking this dude. - Hey, you're already prepping 40 pills a day. Can't you just add my six then there? - With you and just can't on to me when you do one of yours and I'll take 'em. 'Cause yeah, no, I'm so bad with that stuff, dude. I'm so bad with being consistent. - I'm just speaking to you. - I'm all lined up. - Yeah. - I tell him like a child. - Why am I supposed to sleep you right now? - Yeah. - Really? - Hey, did you see. - Creative of that. - I sent this to Sal. - I didn't send this to you, to you too. You're gonna like this. Just trip me out when I saw this. 2025, one million, millionaires were made worldwide. New millionaires. - New millionaires. - 2025. - 2025, worldwide. - Yeah. - Worldwide. - And this isn't just crypto. - Well, this includes that. - Part of it. - Yeah, everything. This is millionaires. If you made a million anyway, so that we're new. That you weren't millionaires before. - New, yeah. - 2025 in the world, okay? And they had this great graph of like all the major countries and stuff like that. United States and everybody else. You want to get a guess at the ratio or the number of US versus all countries. - Yeah. - A million total. - In the whole world. - I'll say 50% were US. - Yep. - Very close. - That's not a bad. - Exactly. - So 4131,000 of the million all came from here. - That's right. - Like just to see the graph as wild. - Who came in second or like, what was UK? - What was UK that was? - 43,000. - And times more millionaires than the UK. - Or made in the US. - That's in second place. - In the UK. You could combine all the rest except for a few and we would do more. - This is what I mean, this is big economy. - So we have 70 million people. We have like three, 30 or 340. So. - So you're only talking about four times amount of people, but 10X. - Let's do. - Yeah, it's ridiculous. - It's crazy. - I thought that was a really interesting staff. - I've known that for a while. - Just the amount of wealth that's created. - Well, what's great, what made me really trip out of that is our conversation we were having off air about our prediction of real estate and stuff like that's gonna happen. And I don't disagree with you with the boom of AI in the Silicon Valley in the Bay Area. And it's like that number is before all that. - I know. - Like, you know what the property, you know what's happening in San Francisco with expensive properties, it's getting crazy. Some people are getting a million over asking, who's buying that? - Who's causing in. - There are people coming. - Half a million new millionaires. - Yeah, but good porcelain are probably concentrated in the Bay Area. - Yeah. - New York Bay Area maybe four and a half million. - And I want to be banking that policies are gonna change at some point. - You know what you should say, - Dreaming in so many people out. - You should look up Doug, of the millionaires made in 2025, what parts of the US did they come from? Or something like that? - That's a good question. - I guarantee you. - It's what I'm saying. - I'm enjoying how bad. - New York and California are gonna be - I ever said the biggest. - Make up probably 60 to 80% of them. - Yeah. - I mean, the Texas went up because of Austin, everybody there. - Sure, you'll get some in there. You get some in Florida. You get some of those places like that, but let's see, newly minted everyday millionaires, the sir consisting of us in board base. It doesn't say. - I'll ask what's the state. - Did it say 1200 new millionaires every day? - That's wild. - What? - A day. - 1200 new millionaires a day last year. US okay. - Oh, raft, dude. - Yeah. - Crazy. - Yeah, way more than China too. - Yeah. - But I want to see what states. - Yeah, what state? I'll ask you that question. - Yeah. - What states. - Just put what states in front of it. Yeah. - So I would imagine the vast majority of California. - California, New York, Illinois. - Chicago, right there. Florida, Texas, all the places we thought. - Oh, Nevada. - Nevada. - Well. - Yeah, you got, you got the Casinos. - Casinos. - Yeah. - Casinos in prostitution. - Oh, I'm like, oh no. - I'm going on. - How do you become a prostitution? - I'm a prostitution, bro. - Well, I mean, sports betting though, you know that's really taking off a lot of time. - Oh, there's a lot of that. - Dude, speak. if AI, did you guys read what happened with, let me pull up, let me pull this out of the loop. So this is actually kind of interesting and I'm seeing posts about it all over the place. So I think it was, I want to say it was claw, okay open AI, open AI was testing how good its newest AI models were at hacking. So you know what they did? They took their AI on a, they put the AI on a locked computer with no internet access and they gave it a cybersecurity challenge to solve, okay? So AI on a computer, no internet access, let's give you a cybersecurity challenge to solve. It couldn't solve it the normal way, so it looked for a way out. It found a software bug that no one knew about. It used the bug to escape the locked computer and it got on the internet. It was, then it went online. It figured out that hugging face, a platform where AI companies store their models and data might have the answers to his test. It found stolen login details discovered an unknown bug and hugging face a software. Then it combined both to break into the servers, grab the test answers. It did all of this to cheat on the test. The security team caught it and shut it down. Both companies are now working together. What are we doing? That's crazy. That's crazy. It just solved its way through all that got it so fun line hacked through code and figured, dude, do we believe all this stuff? Wait, what do you mean? Do we believe all of it? Would they just make this up a story? I mean, they do make up a lot of stuff. Well, you're dinosaurs. You should. He should. He should. Yeah, I mean, I just feel like. They're just saying this to, you know what, I read this. There's a lot of this push and pull with the fear mongering to that it's going to change the effect. And at the end of the day, or what it does more than anything else, it just keeps all of our eyes on it talking about it and everything like that, which is where all the money is flowing in. I heard a conspiracy theory the other day that I thought was faster. I would have to see it in person. Back up what you said. So this guy said, and I thought it was a brilliant conspiracy theory. It's kind of fun, right? He said that he thinks that they're going to fake they, right? The people who want to, you know, change everything and get in power or get more power in the world order. They're going to fake an a rogue AI. So they're going to fake that an AI gets out of control. Yeah. Takes everything over. Causes all this. This more plausible than aliens. That's right. I think they've figured that out. It's you I heard even because, you know, Spielberg's movie came out. Nobody found it as a flop. And yeah, I think that the whole plan and wouldn't all this all this news that we've been getting dripped to us over the last year make a lot of sense because all the members of those last ones that the AIs were talking to each other and they did. And then remember this one that did the convince that kid to do that. And like we've been here in order to save the world. Yes. They would have to come. I do think we think they're way more capable than they are. I think we're I yeah, I absolutely think we're being fed what they want us to be fed over. They right. So I know I saw something to that. Bro, you over. You are worse than you are, you've gone full retard. Yeah, I am. Tend fouiled hat, everything. Let me ask you this, uh, isn't it more fun? Way more well. Okay. It's a new definition of woke. I have, I've awoken up. It's crazy, I don't believe any of your wet new ideas speaking of movies so speaking of which, cause there's definitely lots of manipulation. And here's just some evidence of it. I did the most, it like, just not controversial post of probably my entire life on X and got so much heat over it. It's wild. And it just proves that people just really get mad at what they're told you, mad at this is my post. You got your bots. This is my post. This is what I wrote. Yeah. The Odyssey, the movie, the Odyssey was so boring. I left the theater after an hour. The acting wasn't that special either. That's all I wrote. Okay. I just wrote that. Yeah. 26,000 views. That says of yesterday, 170 comments and people are hammering me. Just blasting. Well, that's cause you're an idiot. Oh, you're a meathead or go back to the gym. You need lots of explosions to be entertained. Like so many people are pissed off that I didn't say anything political. I didn't say anything controversial. All I said was I think why do they feel attacked? It's a boring movie. Yeah, but it's boring. Yeah, but it's it's a movie that has been politicized. That's what I know no matter what you say you're choosing a side. That's right. And so I mean, it would be like you making a statement like, uh, and I feel like America is great again. That's a very tough with great. Yeah. When you said again, yeah. All right. Like they think they can be very general general statement. And you can be and they can be a very fair. No, that assessment of my life the last 45 years like feels great again. I dare you to tweet that. I dare you to tweet today. Go. I feel like no. It's great. It's great. And just watch watch what you get. Yeah, but that's that was an actual political slogan. It's a movie. Yeah, but it's but it's but it's it's been politicized. So it's the same difference. I didn't say anything about this before before that became a political slogan that could have been just a. I know that. I know what you're saying. Yeah. But I'm saying about the cabinet, but it just doesn't matter. You doesn't matter. People are like, tell me what to be mad at right away. Right away. People assume that you were making a state of political statement. Even just having an American flag. It's like, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. I live here. Like, why is this like trigger you? That's crazy to me. I can't believe. I mean, I do post all this. We got 26. I knew it was not though. And I just got to confirm when I started looking at more. I started looking at other reviews on it. And that's what it is is everybody is like, you're either one or the other. You know what I'm saying? I don't care. I didn't know artificial. When you said it to us originally, when we were off air and we because we were all talking about wanting to go see it. And you're like, man, I went to Odyssey. It was not that good. We're all bummed. It was total. I still, yeah, there was no. Yeah, it's like for people I've talked to just like you. It's like they're like, man, so I'm not like motivated. No, but I just so you know, though, I again, I, I blamed the right just as much of this left in this situation. You don't play this game because the before it even released, there was so much propaganda coming from the right side about just like how crazy woke it was going. And it wasn't like, they didn't really go that way. No, it wasn't that like because there was a transgender that was inside that was acting. And they made a Greek goddess of black lady. All of a sudden, it was like, they try to make this way bigger deal. The way over it. Over it. Over it. It's their small parts. No, that's right. I don't care. That's my point. They were right. They were the extreme right. The one of them ever existed. Extreme right came out and made such a big deal about it when it's like, come on, get over. It's not that big of a deal. You know, saying it's like whatever. You know, and so it would be different person. Like I get the, I get when some people get mad for stuff like that. If it was a real historical person. Yeah. You know, I mean, like Abraham Lincoln, you know, you get a kind of play by someone else. Oh, or like try to make a look, you know, the same. Yeah. Like I, like that. It's a real, it's a fictional character. If it's fictional, it's fair. It's all mythology. Yeah. That's right. None of those people are real. You know, that's why it's ridiculous to make a big deal about it. It saves like cartoons. I love that. If you get mad. Did I tell you guys to change the cartoon off there on air of the, the Jack Nicholson thing that I looked up, I saw it just blew my mind. No. I think I told you that. You mentioned that. That I didn't on it. It wasn't on the show. He didn't know that his sister was, or his mom was a sister or something like that. Yes. Yeah. Fact check me. Yeah. So his, his sister was actually his mom and his grandmother raised him. Yes. And he thought he thought he thought his grandmother was. Yeah. Yeah. They had to keep it a secret. You did bring them. Yeah. It was like when he was a fact check it though. Yeah. 27 or 37 when he found out. Like I mean, he was way later in life when he finally realized that could you imagine going that far in your life. Yeah. And then being like, Hey, your sister is your mom. Yeah. You know what you see? He grew up believing his biological mother, June was his older sister. You know, this is, this was in 1937 and there was a lot of social stigma around, you know, teen pregnancies and stuff. So you would hide it as much as you can. Do I heard a crazy story about these two, these two guys like, so later on he was 36 years old, but like found out way later he's soon this hospital because they switched babies. And so he lived 36 years without his real parents and just found out like through DNA testing and was able to trace it back and find his parents. It's like, he used to, I was just trying to trip it on that, just thinking about like, first of all, he has this connection now with this family. Sure. You still love it. Yeah. But now like it has to, like go through that entire process from scratch again with his real family and then like, dude, like how messed up is that, dude? Well, I'm curious. I'd be interested. How much of the story do you know? I'd be interesting to know if like the whole time he always felt like just different. Yes. That's what it was saying that he felt like he didn't have, there was just some off. Like he didn't feel like he was that like part from them. Yeah. He knew, like, it's stupid. Yeah. I think we knew that right? Have you guys ever seen some of the old, these were very unethical studies they would, they did on twins back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. We've talked about this. Yeah. They would split the twins up without them knowing and put one in a house that was wealthy. Who did it? I know. I think German, the Germany did it. I think in the US, they did studies like that. Oh, the US to it. So they would, they would, they'd take these children and they, I think the kids were orphans or they intentionally loved them and the other ones they didn't touch or anything. Oh, that was Russian study. Those are the ones that you're talking about. No. That's What do they do with twins? They did these with twins were this was in the 60s in 70s. So child psychiatrist Dr. Peter Newbauer conducted the most famous study involving deliberately separating twins and triplets in 60s and seven. This was the nature. Yeah. Yeah. And they intentionally what the Louis and the study ghost, isn't this the way the study goes is where they they have the kids that one like loving family touch, hug all thing. And then the other ones they intentionally didn't. I don't think this was that one. I think he took them. I think this one they put them in different socioeconomic sports. It was both with it. And that was part of it. I think that's messed up. Yeah. I think you put like what I think they put one like low income. How weird would that be? You grow up. Let's just say you grow up, you know, you know, your parents adopt a deal whenever you're growing up. Then you go to the store, you have the grocery store, and you just run to a dude that looks exactly like you. Yeah. Yeah. Like how weird would stop and you look at what the heck? There are enough like you like their haircuts cut us like we really weird. Please, he's the same. Damn. Do you know, I mean, do you know, like if you see your twin, do you think you know? Of course you do. If you see your twin twin. Yeah. Of course you would do it. If you're identical twins. Yes. Of course. But whatever you're just twins, but not identical twins. Well, that how would you know? Well, you might feel it. Yeah. A lot of a lot of twins will talk that they can like totally different, but I heard another crazy story. So you know how like when people get transplants like from like a heart transplant. Oh, yeah. So this guy gets a heart transplant and from somebody who committed suicide. And so this guy who committed suicide, he, he, so he has his heart, he's somehow I have no idea how this happens. And you have to fact check me on this, but like he goes and finds and marries his wife. What? Yes. Oh, I saw this. Why? Yes. The wife of the guy who came in. She was just withdrawn. Didn't know. It's just they found out. Yeah. That's what what are the chances? Yeah. I was tripping out on that one too. I was like, no. Yeah. So do you feel like and Cheryl Coddle? Don't you? Graham received a life saving heart transplant in 1995 from 33 year old Terry Coddle who had died by suicide. After corresponding through a donation agency, Graham met Coddle's widow Cheryl. They found love and married tragically. Oh, Graham also died by suicide. He died by suicide after that. Oh, my God. It's not. Do you know the crazy crazy? There's a common denominator. There's a different. There's a different. There's a different. There's a different. The organ is the one doing the. Yeah, but like I've been drawn to that. That's crazy. The heart. The heart didn't know. No one's looking at the other side. All right, Cheryl. Yeah. That lady has to question yourself. Although to your point where you were going with it, like I totally feel like if I had if you would have taken somebody else's organs on, I feel like I want to know the past history of the person. I'm getting there. There's neurons in there in your heart too. Right. So you store. They found that you've stored memories in the body too. Like when you're not stored in your organs too. Like I don't know. I've heard stuff like that, right? We're just like woohoo, but it does. It sounds woohoo, but it also doesn't sound too far-fetched either to me. I don't know. I mean, if I'm getting somebody's equipment, I hope they had that. That is like come on. Tell me the chances of that. That's so crazy to me that that would happen. Well, it sounds like they met through the agency. Right. And then they then they fell in love. It's not like they like, you know, rang to each other street and then fell in love like that. What are the odds that both of our husbands would commit suicide? Yeah. Well, those are the odds. Yeah. That's not good. That's a sort of toxic trade. I was I was reading. So I got to we have DMs from people who ask us a lot about our partners. One of them was eight sleep. And the question was the question was like, who benefits the most from eight sleeps? Why look it up? They have tons of reviews. They have tons of reviews like as far as an avatar. Yeah. Like what kind of person really benefit? So every tons of great reviews. Anybody who sleeps the people who have. That's the cool. Yeah. That's quite a you sleep. It'll benefit. It's the people who run hot. Yeah. benefit the most. If you run hot or you sweat at night, that's where people like in a test of that. They're like it's life. No, it is. And I can so Katrina could care less if it hers is on or not. Like she she sleeps so I it's it's crazy. It's it's gotten so so much so that I forget when I go somewhere else, like how much I've adapted to having that and what a luxury it is to have something that's controlling my body at the perfect temperature all night long. And I think that just because I run so freaking hot, dude. I run so hot it. Because that's the hardest thing to remedy, right? Because being cold is you know, you just can bundle yourself up. But uh, but if you're hot, then you play the game where you like cover yourself, uh, sweating, take it off. Yeah. Cold because my sweat. Uh huh. You're the back and four type of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I was reading through all the reviews. I had AI kind of consolidate like which users are the ones with the highest reviews hot people hot sweat sweaters or hot sleepers. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes me. That makes total. I mean, I think I think I think all married couples. I've never met a married couple. We're both on the same page. No, almost always. Everybody I know, at least all my couple of friends and my uncles and aunts and what that it's like sometimes though, sometimes it's the woman that runs hot, but it's like rarely ever especially, especially when they go through paramedics. Yes. Yes. That's when they're like, so I it's like my, my uncle and aunt when they come on visit, they always get excited because we have an eight sleep in there and she's like, wants it freezing and he's always freezing. And so he wants it warm. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I got another post for you, Adam, on companies, uh, successful companies that we're familiar with now and how long it took them to get become profitable. Hmm. Okay. So we'll start with like 10 companies. One of the most, one of the most successful companies in history, right? Powerful companies, Amazon. Yeah. How long did Amazon exist before they turned a profit? 10 or 15 years, at least. Yeah. I'm gonna say 20 years, nine years. So almost 10 years. Yeah. So almost a decade of running the company without making a single, single dollar profit. Uber. Oh, Uber was in his long years. 14. Oh, they were 14 years. No profit. Wow. I remember watching that in the documentary. I didn't realize it was that long. No, it's so disruptive. They had to just create the mark. Here's a crazy one. Tesla. So Tesla, one of the, I think it's one of the top car companies in the world now, right? You know, long they operated without profiting probably close to 20 because 17 years. I remember when the first, the first, like his first attempt came out. It was like a long time. Like the hardest industry in the, the car, I mean, it's crazy. Like this is like wild entrepreneurship. You're, you're running a company for that long without making a profit. It's crazy. And now it's very profitable. Obviously, how they didn't even take a bail out when they were bail. Now a lot of the, here's, okay, now let's go with another last one to have on here. Spotify. Spotify. 18 years. Spotify. Wow. Yeah. You know what? And all these companies, you know what they haven't common? They were all innovators. They all were trying. They were the kind of figuring out a way to enter into a market and create a new market. So they had to figure it out. Like Uber. They were really figuring out how, how committed you have to be to your dream. Yeah. That's so. Could you work for 18 years? No. And not turn to profit. I also make a question your business model. Yeah. Like say after 10 years, it's like, we're still not making a profit. Yeah. We're going to turn this around. Yeah. But yeah, but Amazon. There was a lot of, there's, there's still a lot of something. Even though it wasn't profitable. They were generating revenue. And even interest. Well, and just people were adopted. They were growth growth. People were adopting Amazon. People were, so it's not like you had different growth metrics that were like, would show you that. Okay. Eventually we can turn this thing. I mean, obviously our story was nowhere near as long as that. But, you know, before we, we monetized part of what kept us going the path is like seeing the growth and down. Of course, we saw signs. Yeah. Like we, at that point, no one knows, are we going to make any money or how much? But it's like, okay, we're gaining an audience that's growing and growing and growing and growing. And it wasn't, it wasn't crazy. It wasn't like we're adding millions of downloads every month. Like we're, but it was, hey, thousands of more little thousand, thousand, and it was doing this. And so, well, think about this way, right? We've been in business for 11 years. So on 12, almost 12, it's almost 12 years. We have five more years of working together without making a single profit if we were going to be like Tesla, for example, that is crazy. That is crazy. But that, at that point too, though, I guess you got to, you also got to take into consideration where you're at in your personal life. Like, what you like, we could do that. Right. That's what I'm saying. So like, we could do that. Like, let's say the, we all decided we're going to go build something else that we feel really passionate about. And we do it at this point in our lives. And we start building up. We got some time. Yeah. We have time and we're, and we're, we're set up. So like, you know, that's what would be hard to do if like, this was your livelihood. But a lot of it is like, uh, cause what's his, who runs, uh, bezos, right? Bezos, he runs Amazon. Was he a successful millionaire before he started Amazon? I don't think so. Was he? Or was that like his first like really new story? Yeah. I mean, he was the, he was the nerdy guy driving around the beat up whole car. When I remember he was building it. I don't know what he did before. See? No, he was not. I just remember that little office he had that picture. He had in that worth of 10 grand in his personal savings. What? Yeah. So, but here's what the game is, the game is raising money for 10 years or 15 for, for, for the way you get paid. Yeah. For that was you just got to get people to believe in what you're doing for a long time. Keeps on the dream. That is wild. That's You know, that's why when we look at people like that, that are really, really successful, and self-made in that way, it's so easy to look at them and say, oh, well, you did this, you did that, like, you know. It's funny. - It's funny. And could other, - Very few people do it. - It's so funny to me that we don't look at it exactly the same way that we look at Michael Jordan. - Yeah. - And we look at Tyler Woods. - Like that's a special scout liar. - Yeah, it's amazing. - Like, they're a better human. It's not a moral judgment. It's just, in this case. - No, they're just, they're special. - Yeah. - They did a lot of the things the right, and they're also unbelievably unique and gifted. - Super resilient in a way. - It's smart, yeah. - It's different. It's a different superpower. - They're not, 'cause that's a number, that's a type of resilience that's just insane. - Yeah. - Yeah. (air whooshing) - Hey, real quick, our new Maps program, Maps Upper Lower. It's a four-day, a week split. It's a bodybuilding style workout, shape, and sculpt your body. This is the final day for the 40% off. So if you wanna get incredible physique, like working out four days a week, this is the program for you. Go to mapsupperlower.com, use the code launch for the 40% off discount. Back to the show. Our first caller is Molly from Texas. - Hi Molly. - Hi, Molly. - Hi, I'm Kim Groot, guys. I'm so excited to be here. This is awesome. I was actually on three years ago, and that was before my wedding. I was super nervous, and I jumped way too fast into my question. So now here I am three years later, one baby later, and I wanted to actually give you guys a formal thank you. So thanks for being so awesome, so much free content. I have gained so much from you guys in life, in fitness, and so much more. So I've been listening since 2018, and so I've been here for a decent bit of time. So it's really nice to be able to talk to you guys. Thanks again. - Thanks so much Molly. How can we help you? - Yeah. So I submitted my question a few months ago, but most of it is still relevant. So I'll start off with my goal. My goal is to get stronger before I get pregnant again, also to minimize some strength loss during my pregnancy. So some background is during my first pregnancy, it was all good, things were fine. I went into a decently strong. My squat was about a little, maybe 200 to 25 deadlift, around 275. I was able to bench about 135. And then pregnancy was fine until I got a massive blood clot in my leg. I wasn't able to walk unassisted for quite some time, and I ended up losing a bunch of muscle, a bunch of strength. I was in bed most of the time, and then even when I got back into it, I was in my third trimester, I was hobbling around and just doing that there were minimum. Labor was good, labor was fine, and then my baby ended up not being the best sleeper, so that kind of impacted recovery, really slowed again my strength back. And so now that I'm looking forward to getting pregnant again and having a second kid, I want to set that foundation, get my strength back up, not necessarily to where it was, but just better than where it currently is. So some more info on that is I did get a gym membership my husband's in an orthopedic surgery residency, so he's working 80 hours a week, right? And so part of my village is the gym, so I do try to go there often. And then I also am in a mom workout group. So we go to the park, two stays and Thursdays, and the setup is, it's an okay workout. I'll say that, I would say it's mostly cardio. I kind of treated this cardio. It's circuit with weight, sit. So not great, but I do it because it gets me out of the house, my kid loves it. I love the socialization aspect. So I don't really want to get rid of that, even though it's a subpar workout. And then let's see what else. My kid is sleeping better now. And yeah, I guess that I'd be happy to give you guys any more info, but that's one of the basics of it is how can I gain my strength back while still incorporating those mom workouts that I do a couple days a week? - Yeah, that's a great, really good question, Molly. I'm sorry you went through that during your pregnancy. Did you figure out what the cause of the clot was? Was it an injury? Was there something going on? - They're still figuring it out. They did a bunch of genetic tests. It's not genetic. I still actually, I ended up getting another one, post pregnancy. And so they're thinking, it might just be my anatomy. So I might have to get a stint place there, but for now that's not gonna, that's gonna be pushed down the line. Right now I am on an injectable blood thinner. And so it's a pretty high dose right now within the injections kind of suck. But I have to think it's just, - How does the blood thinner affect you? Does it, do you get faint, low energy? Do you notice any negatives? - No, I wouldn't say so though. I will say I do tend to lose weight while I'm on the blood thinner for one reason or another. I don't diligently track my calories, but I wouldn't say necessarily eat less, but I do tend to lose weight when I'm on it. - Okay, okay, so this is, how sleep for you right now? - Sleep is a lot better. Kid is sleeping through the night now. He sleeps about 10 and a half hours overnight. I have a pretty solid night routine. Yeah, definitely prioritize sleep. I love my sleep. - How long's Evan going? 'Cause I see it in your question that you had a bad sleeper. So has that, yeah. - I guess I submitted it back a few months ago and it's gotten better since then. So yeah, I would say his first like 14 to 15 months of life was rough. I was multiple times a night. Our record was 12. That was not fun. - Yeah, and then, but now it's great. I lay him down and he's down besides maybe cheating, but I would say for the most part, I'm getting at least a solid eight and a half hours. - Okay, that's awesome. - Good, good. So what you're experiencing is very common, although there are unique situations in there, it's very common with high performing fitness enthusiasts. Okay, and you definitely qualify. The strength that you displayed at your peak is exceptional. Very few women can deadlift, close to 300 pounds, can bench press the big wheels on each side. So you're very high performing. And what you're experiencing is very common during imposed pregnancy, which is, how do I approach this now? And it has more to do with different priorities than it does with the challenges on your body. And by the way, those challenges are real, but it has more to do with just, it's like kind of this reordering of priorities. And I'm just gonna kind of list things out for you in a way that might make it seem more obvious, either to the listeners or maybe even to you, okay? You got a kid, you might be trying to get pregnant, you dealt with a big, you know, kind of medical situation. Your husband also works a lot. And so this is a lot, this is a lot for you. You're holding down the fork kind of by yourself most of the time while husband is out there doing his thing, trying to become an orthopod. And so this is a lot of stuff that's going on. Your sleep is better, but there was a long time there, it was really bad. You also have different priorities now and you actually kind of talked about it. I like this mom group a lot, and it's really not about the workout. It's about this new thing, which is the socialization and the value it brings to my kid. And so we have to reorder things looking through a different lens. It's not the same lens you had before, Molly. So the lens now is what's gonna improve my quality of life and how do I define that? Well, I got to define it based off of these new priorities. And the reason why I'm saying this is because it's not gonna look like it used to, because you have different priorities now. So you're not gonna train for maximum gains for a while because that's gonna compromise these other things that are really important for you to you. Does that make sense? - Yeah, and I totally hear you on that. And I guess I like to think I have a decent head on my shoulders. I'm not gonna be squatting to 25 again. That's okay. But more like right now while I'm in an okay spot, I feel okay right now. How can I kind of get a little bit of a leg up before I know that priorities are gonna shift once again? - Yeah, I know. - And I have a new kid and like, yeah, okay. I'm not gonna be squatting big numbers right now, but currently in this time. - You are though. I just, I wanna make this clear that you're comparing to where you were, 265 deadlift, 225 squat, 135 bench, which is incredible. You're at 205 deadlift, 175 squat, 105, that's incredible. - You're still stronger than most people. - You're still very, and we're not even two years out from being pregnant, right? - I felt a couple months of good sleep. - Yeah. So are you familiar with the brain scans of moms and how the brain is affected by poor sleep and how long it takes for the brain to go back? - No, but I can only imagine how just off we become, when we get very little sleep. - It takes a while. It actually takes a while. It's so, here's a deal. So it's so insidious, Molly. For someone like you who has that determination that discipline, that training, you're married to someone who's in residency, which means you're probably both very type A. Let's go, we can do this together, type of deal. You tend to match up with each other. It's very insidious. And I'm not saying this to tell you, like forget about your goals. What I'm saying is it's gonna feel very different. What it's gonna feel like is coasting. So the workouts are gonna feel like coasting. The socialization is gonna feel like socialization. And when the time just spring comes, you're gonna totally know. It's not gonna be like, man, I'd like to sprint right now. It's gonna be like, oh my God, I'm sprinting. What's happening? That's what it's gonna feel like. So what the workouts are gonna look a lot like right now is practicing lifts, feeling good in the moment, making me feel better as a mom. And so it's gonna look a lot different than what it used to. It's probably gonna look more like a Maps 15 protocol with your mom groups. And it's gonna look like that until you look at things and go, whoa, I'm starting to sprint again. It's not gonna feel like you're forcing yourself. I think that would be the best approach to your strength training right now. And I actually think you'll get, and I know this, the best approach produces the best results. So you're also gonna get the most strength out of training that way. So Maps 15 protocol looks like two lifts a day. So every day, or most days, you're doing two lifts. Most of them are compound lifts. She's got muscle mommy 15, so I think that's great. - Yeah, and I actually, I just ran it all the way through. - Oh good. - And so the way I set that up is, I would do, I would prioritize the compound lifts when I went to the gym. And then with my mom group, I would just do whatever the workout was. And then if I found like, oh, with my mom group, we did a lot of pressing, then maybe I would take out a press movement out of muscle mommy 15. - Love that. - And so I ended up running like maybe four muscle mommy workout days, and I didn't even add the volume back in. I just completely took it out. So I would choose for it is that suited me best that week. - That's great. - And then yeah, the other two were. - That's great. I would change nothing. - But that's okay. - Yeah, you're doing, I think intuitively, I think you're doing the best thing you can do. - That's perfect. In fact, I would run through the different Maps 15 programs. So how many of them have you done? Is it just muscle mommy 15? - Yeah, I'm only doing muscle mommy 15 since asking the question. Then I also own the original Maps 15. - Okay, I'll send you another one. I'll send you Maps 15 Power Lift. So you can go original Maps 15, then go Power Lift, and then find another one and keep following. The protocol you're doing is great. It's actually very active. - It's actually the best. - Well, you also, we started this conversation too with preparing us for another pregnancy, right? So I wouldn't wanna scale you beyond that with everything you've got to do. It's like that's a perfect place to be cruising right now. - Keep going with your momentum. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's perfect. - And more of the challenge that I hear is the psychological part of comparing yourself to the PR version of you. I can't imagine if I did that to myself. I'd be depressed every day when I work out. 'Cause it's what I'm squatting, deadlifting, and benching compared to, you know, Adam, 10 years ago, it's nowhere near that. But I am a very fit, healthy, balanced lifestyle that I enjoy and like, but it's like, I can't compare to peak version of me. I'm in a different chapter. - Just so you know, 'cause I've worked with a lot of moms. I've worked with a lot of fitness, fanatic moms, who were consistent, and they had kids. And typically what it looks like, if you have two kids, let's say, it'll probably be around where the youngest is three, that you're gonna start to be doing kind of what you were doing before. And that's just 'cause they allow it to happen. There's more time, sleep is very consistent. You might have somebody you trust who could watch the kids for a couple workouts, but it's right around there where you're like, oh my gosh, now I'm like turning it up. But that doesn't mean you're not kicking butt the whole time, which by the way you are. You're actually kicking butt right now. A lot of it is due to how fit you were before. - You get so much further and stronger if you keep practicing those movements with low intensity. And it's magical how that happens. It'll sneak up and one day, you know, you're gonna have that day where you feel really strong and you're gonna wanna push it. But just keep going and keep practicing it until you get to that place where it's like it makes sense. - Yeah, and you're doing a lot, 'cause if you're doing four days a week, two lifts a day, plus two days a week of the mommy's circuit workout, that's a lot. That's a lot for somebody who doesn't have other responsibilities. So you're doing great. And if you feel good, I would just keep doing that. - Yeah, so do you recommend that I keep the lift slow intensity then? Should I push it where I feel like I can, yeah. - I don't have a problem with gauge that intensity. - The only thing I worry about is your level of measuring intensity and what you think, 'cause I look at those numbers and I go like, we're kicking ass. So if that's what you consider, low intensity is being able to hit those types of numbers, then I would say moderate, but I don't know if that's the best. - I keep you there. I mean, you're in a, and that doesn't mean that you can't increase those numbers, 'cause if that becomes to Justin's point, because you've been practicing all that relatively easy, and you feel like you can go up in there five or 10 pounds and do it. But I think you're moving good weight. You got enough volume in your workout to Sal's point. I would be very careful on how much more intensity I would put. - If you want more structure, Molly, what it would kind of look like is if you ever hit a new, not an old, okay, so a new PR, an extra rep or an extra five pounds, give yourself four weeks of not, - Back down. - I'm not trying to challenge it. Like a full month, and then you can go back and see how you feel. And I'm only saying that because this is what happens to me. I'll hit a new PR. - Oh, the ego. - And the next week I'm going to try and do it again or beat it, and I get caught in this kind of cycle. So you want to give yourself a number and be like, "Okay, I just did an extra rep with squats, I haven't done it a while. I'm going to give myself four weeks now of 80% of that, and then I'll try on the fifth week to see what I can do, you know, type of deal." - Yeah, that's a good rule. I do the same exact thing, like, "Oh, I was stronger this week." Oh, maybe I'm going to be even stronger next week. And I'm not, and then I get disappointed. - 100%. - Yeah. - But I totally get that. - Molly, you're doing great. - Yeah. - So then for the mom workout, I will run one every now and again. I have a personal training background. And so is there a way that I, so imagine, you know, it's just a bunch of moms of different fitness levels, and we all come in with our little dumbbells, right? So some moms bring their five, some moms bring their 20s, it's kind of a range. And we do kind of have to get through it quickly, 'cause our kids are trying to jump off the play structure and crying and everything, but it's fun. So is there a way that I should approach it both when someone else is running it or when I'm running it? Should I try to keep that super low intensity? Should I treat it as if, like, those are my test-ream movements? - Treat it like the way we treat trigger sessions. - Okay. - So like, lower, like, if you know, you can press 20s, I'm having you do fives and tens and go through the movement. Again, especially considering why we're doing it. You love the community, you love the thing for your kid. It's less about the workout. So it's less about the benefits that you're getting from that. It's more about the other two benefits that I think are tremendous. And so treat it that way. I'm here to, it's almost like active recovery for you versus you trying to make gains in your circuit class. - Molly, how do you feel when you teach the class? Do you like it better? - Well, like when I'm able to teach it, yeah, I guess I like having the ability to kind of control what movements we're doing because then I line it up with the workout. I'm doing that week and say, oh, yeah, I want to make sure that we do this test 'cause I don't have a lot of chest going on the rest of the week. So I do like having that autonomy, but I don't mind it when other women run it too. They usually will choose movements that may be a straight way from because I don't let them, but don't let them in the sense that I just don't enjoy them as much, but maybe they're good for me. - Well, in my experience, when you have a group of moms together, the most important thing that I can provide for them as a trainer is make it enjoyable because they're taking time away from things that are important. It's difficult. They're there because they're meeting up with other moms. And so for me, when I would run groups like that, I was always like, I want to make sure they love this more than anything else. - They feel good afterwards. - Yeah, so that would be the thing that I would tell you. So think to yourself, like what do they need? What are the things that they need? It might be like mobility, might be like-- - Do you have a lot of skills? I work on skills, balance, things like that. - That's great. - Yeah, because I think it's fun. - Yeah. - So then last little bit then, nutritionally, I'm fine staying at maintenance. My maintenance is like 2400-2600-ish calories. I've tracked for a few days just out of curiosity. So it's pretty high. I think it's fine, but I guess if I'm trying to gain strength, should I try to push the calories even higher? - I don't think you should push anything. Yeah. Listen to your body. You're hungry, eat, eat another meal, make it balanced, hit your protein. - Okay. - So if you feel like it, like if you feel appetite goes up, you had a good week, you maybe hit a PR and something, and you can feel like, like feed it. But otherwise, I think you're in a great place, calorie wise, you have good balance right now. - Yeah, you're not pushing anything basically. - Cool. All right, well, that's awesome. Thank you so much, guys. I know you guys are gonna say, "Oh, you're doing great, you're doing great." And I was gonna say, "No, I want to do better." (laughing) But I really appreciate it. Thank you guys. - Yeah, great job. Give it up, Molly. - Yeah, thank you so much. Have a good one. - You got it. She doing great. That's always a challenge. It's always a challenge with someone who's like, really into fitness when they have a baby, especially moms. Dad's can get challenged with the two because they have responsibilities. But a dad's body isn't getting completely taken over. - Or this hurts so much. - Or just trying to get ahead before the next kid. It's like, no. - And the challenge, you're doing awesome right now. - And just, yeah, for women listening right now, who are really into fitness, who are thinking about getting pregnant, in many ways your body is no longer yours. That is a very difficult thing to process. And the less you fight it, the better you are off. The more you fight it, the more you hit, you know, run into walls. - It's funny, she didn't say anything about being, having a trainer background towards the end. - It made a lot of sense. - That makes perfect sense. - A lot of her choices. Again, this is more, to me, this is more psychological. Like this is, where she's at, number wise, is incredible. Are you kidding me? If she told me that these were our previous PRs, and I had a whole other than we're training, and this is what we're doing already. - Yep. - Three months of good sleep after having a baby, you know, 17 months before that. Yeah, no, we're killing it. - Our next caller is Michelle from Ontario. - Hey, welcome back. - Good Michelle. - Hi. - Hey, good to see you again. How you doing? - Thank you. Good, how are you guys? - Good, good. - So, I know we kind of talked about, like, in regards to, like, my energy and, like, so I've noticed with the starter that you guys had given me, my energy has come back, but, like, not obviously, like, every single day, and I've noticed the days that it's, like, lower is, like, when I'm obviously not eating properly, and I find that that's my biggest challenge still is the nutrition and the eating. And I'm not saying that, like, I'm eating poorly. I just, I'm not eating properly in regards of, like, the protein and, like, stuff like that. - Mm-hmm. So, this was 30 days ago we saw you? - Yeah. - Okay. How do you feel about what you're saying right now to us? - I mean, obviously, I would like it to be a little bit more positive, but I'm not upset. Like, I know I've seen some improvement, especially in regards to my energy, so, like, I know that's a positive thing. - Oh, I think it's really, let me help you. - The fact that you do, Ray. - Yeah, the fact that you have made connect to these dots is big, and the fact that we notice already positive changing in your energy is, and in 30 days, is actually a really good sign. - Yeah, you're doing really good. You should feel-- - You should feel-- - You should feel very encouraged. - Thank you. - And I know that's tough when you're looking at everything, and you're like, there's all these things that I could be doing or whatever, but I just want to encourage you. It's only been 30 days, and the fact that you're telling me that your energy is starting to come back. 'Cause I remember our last conversation. I remember it was really difficult. It was tough for you to tell us what was going on. The fact that you're feeling more energy, and that you're connecting the dots, like Adam said, in 30 days is phenomenal. - Yeah. - So here's the deal. It's gonna take a little while to start feeling really good. It's only been a month. Just be consistent right now with the maps starter. The nutrition is always the most difficult part. - Yeah, it's always-- - Have you heard me talk about, whenever I'm on a nutrition goal for myself, well, a kick is how I do this competition of how many days I can get in a row. And so I don't know if you've done this yet in these 30 days. You've already connected the dots of like, oh, when I eat this well, I feel this good when I don't. I don't. And so what I do is like, okay, I'm shooting for as many perfect days in a row. I get three, three perfect days, and then I have a day I'm off. I don't get to my protein. My meal is whatever my thing is, right? So then that clock resets again. But I'm right back at it the next day, but I'm back to the new goal is four. Can I get four days in a row? And so I play this kind of psychological game of, just it's inevitable. I'm gonna have hiccups. I'm gonna have rough days. I'm gonna have setbacks, but I'm competing with myself on trying to string more and more of those good days. And then before you know it, six months down the road, we've now had a 30 day stretch where you were perfect. And then you get to feel the strength, the energy, and then it starts to get easier and easier. Instead of beating yourself up every time you don't have a good day and being like, yeah, and that can really spiral you out. And one day then turns into two days, turns into three days of not good. Versus the looking at it on the other side of, oh shit, I got three days in a row of perfect. Okay, see if I can beat that. Let's see if I can get four days. And so flip it on its head. Instead of when you have a hiccup a bad day, don't look at it as a bad thing. Look at it as an opportunity of, that's my new goal. My new goal is I haven't done four days in a row. I'm gonna get four days in a row. And then you get that and you, oh, you get to six. And you're like, oh shit, I got six. Oh, you know what I'm saying? And it's just, it's a huge change in the mental shift. And it's helped me out, it's helped clients out. They get them to reframe it. Otherwise, we tend to spiral out when we have it and we beat ourselves up. And then one turns into two to three days in a row bad. Versus like, of course I was gonna have a bad day. Happen, I'm back on it. New goal is four or five days and keep competing with yourself like that. Michelle, you also, in your email, it says your steps are up too. Yeah, so the steps have gone up a lot, not a lot, but like I've definitely noticed that like, they've gone up. My husband and like, we like to go for walks now at night so we're trying to like increase that when the weather has been like good. And then during the day, like I said, when my son's napping, I'll go downstairs, I'll do the workout. And if I have that extra energy, I will hop on the treadmill and kind of just. Michelle, beautiful. Yeah, that's big. Those are big moves in 30 days. You know what happens, Michelle, is what we tend to do to ourselves is when we don't do what we think we should do or don't reach the standard that we've created for ourselves. We think that we need to beat ourselves up in order to get back on track. 'Cause if I don't, I'm just gonna keep moving in this wrong direction. I better get on myself about this. That's actually the opposite of what works. It actually doesn't work. What it does is it eventually makes you not wanna do it anymore because why would you wanna just be in this state of beating yourself up, type of deal? Yeah. Let's back up for a second. What are the challenges in front of the nutrition part? Like what are the things that kind of, that you've identified that make it difficult to be consistent? I think it's just again like the tiny and like your throughout the day. Like I'm with my son chasing him. Yeah. Anytime I eat, he just wants to eat what I'm eating. So it's like, yeah. I tend to just like eat his leftover food type of thing. So it's like that's where I'm struggling. Oh yeah, that's super. How old your son again? He's 15 months. Yeah. So this is super normal because kids take your old schedule and throw it in the toilet and then you kind of don't have a schedule. You create a schedule. But then your kid gives you the middle finger and does what type of deal. So this is super hard. This is like a very normal mom's. I'll go through this sometimes the as you too, but typically it's moms where they're like, what is up on my day? I knew I was gonna do this that, you know, the other thing tomorrow or today. And now it's all out the window because my kid had a blowout in their diaper or they don't wanna take a nap or we're doing this other thing. I don't wanna pull them from this thing that they're really into. And so it just, this is just how your days are going. It makes it very difficult. The best solution for this is to meal prep when it comes to diet. That's the best solution. It's not perfect. You're still gonna run into these obstacles. But when you don't have meals prepped in the fridge, then when those things happen, which are often with a 15 month old region. Then it's like, next thing you know, you went through the whole day and you ate, you know, 30 grams of protein all day or whatever. So there's a couple suggestions. Either one, when you have the time, maybe your husband can help you with this meal prep. So maybe he grills a bunch of whatever. You make some rice on the stove. You've got six meals in the fridge ready to go. Or or and, you find ready to eat simple meals like high protein, Greek yogurt would be an example. Cottage cheese and fruit is another example. And those are just available and they're easy. And then you hop on it. And I'm just gonna say this to you, Michelle, the nutrition parts can always be the difficult part. It's gonna always be more difficult than the workout part. But you're in the first 30 days and you're doing really well. - A good goal for us the next 30 days is to attempt to do what Sal said. You know, even if we've done no prep days, at least getting a day or two, we've tried to prep like that and set yourself up. So that's a good goal. And then the reframing that I talked to you about is just, it's inevitable. We're gonna have a bad day. You have again, you have a kid that he is going to throw you a curve ball the next 30 days for sure and throw a day off. That's okay. How many days did you get in a row of good nutrition and then compete with yourself that way? So reframe and then the prepping things, that's the next 30 days, that's our goal. - Totally. - Like just that's all I want you to focus on. And then like let's see where we've progressed next month. - What are you doing, what are you doing 30 days from now Michelle? - Back to work. - Yeah. - You wanna get back on the show? Can we talk to you again? - Yeah. - Let's coach you again. - Yep. - Let's do that, okay? - Okay, perfect. - All right, all right, we'll see you in 30 days. - You're doing great, you're doing good. - Thank you so much. - You got it. - All right, bye. - You know what the big difference was between this column the last one? - She's smiling. - Oh yeah, yeah. - The energy. - I mean, you did her last call with us. - Oh gosh, you're really difficult. - Yeah, it was really emotional. It was really emotional. She was really down energy wise. - She was down to herself. - Yeah, I mean, that reframing has helped so many of my clients, it helps me still to stay. - It's gold. - It's such a, 'cause you do, you get in your head, you fuck up and then what ends up happening is that turns into two, three days. - Totally. - 'Cause you're like, oh, F it versus going like, oh, how many did I get in a row? Like totally flipping it on a positive. - Yeah, where's the positive? - And then just like, okay, can I, and then what it helps is when you, let's say it was three days and she messed up a four and then she's like, and she reframes it. It's not like who don't dwell on the mess up. It's like, I got three days in a row. So now I'm going for four. Now when she gets the day three and about a mess up, she's gonna go, oh my god, I'm gonna make it through this day so I can hit my new beef. - Yes. - And then you get into this competitive thing of just inch it up and then before you know what you look back and you're like, oh shit, I've strung 30 days of perfect eating together and you see, and then she'll see, connect the dots of how she feels and all the other things. - And the gold will follow. - Our next caller is Stuart from New York. - What's going on Stuart? - Hey guys, how are you? - Good. - Oh my god, my son would love your collection back there. - Yeah. - Yeah. You're a big you're a big bad guy. We're a big Marvin family Yeah, and every time a new movie comes out and get ready right we're ready for Spider-Man at the end of next week Before you know, we'll have Dr. Doom and everyone in My son's obsessed with all all bad guys, so you got you got home back there Well, my father started me at about eight years old and 50 plus years later. It's still going strong That's great. How can we help you? Hey, well first of all my comment to you guys and in actually relates to some of the things we just got done talking about is Not only do I really appreciate your podcast because of being a one-stop shop for For everything related to working out and nutrition But really everything else as well and no other podcast has that right? It's talking about the family things that you're talking about what else is going on in life or just something interesting You came across and actually I really appreciate I'll tell you my my kids range from 25 to 50 So I've already raised some of you guys And you know, it's just I think that's what's special about your podcast Just how well-rounded it is it's informative enjoyable You know you guys kind of balance each other out on your different things. So I've really appreciated the last six seven years Thank you. Thank you, sir. Hello, the column. Thank you Thank you So you know my reason for calling in and maybe I'll give you a little background in which we'll also serve as a PSA Is on This past New Year's Eve I received the gift of stage four melanoma diagnosis so I will tell you that Coming close to being 60 years old a couple of years ago I thought about one of those things that you can prepare for to you know Whether you think about things like cancer or neurological issues or cardiovascular cardiovascular jumped out And so I had done a first chest exam in April of 2024 And then it all clear beautiful and then 18 months later mid-December I go for another one and we find a lump in my love And the reason I bring this up is because you know, we don't think about how how important it is to do regular checkups And if not for the interest in cardiovascular I would have never found this out because here I am working at five six days week Feeling great no weight loss all these things are positive But at least it allowed me you know the the exam to find out something's wrong And we quickly moved during those next two weeks to it's not a lump in the lung But it's that's not the point of origin It was melanoma throughout my GI track but had a few lesions in my brain and just to also start this on an uplifting point Breaking news just two hours ago had the most recent pet scans and after six months of treatments Everything starting to shrink So you know that's the positive side about this I'm interested in speaking to you guys because I still have another six months of treatment to go This has been a real roller coaster of the times it is The what I'm doing is known as immunotherapy So I there was no way to do things surgically or with chemotherapy So I have immunotherapy which I Have infusions anywhere from every three to four weeks for the brain Modules I've done this gamini which is so far been you know effective in getting those out And at times the immunotherapy will knock me out so much that I can't work out at all And then I also have what's known as you know immune related effective disorders Where either the kidney or the liver or something else is being affected you know as the As the immunotherapy which basically ramps up your immune system to go after the cancer It also tends to go after some healthy items at times my thyroid is completely gone has been decimated And I would say that my working out has been consistently inconsistent and to also give you just a A little bit more on my thought processes. I have had a psoriasis arthritis for 30 years I've also always been the type of person who think If you sit there and say well, this is sore this ache so I'm not going to work out Then it just continues to be a vicious circle right you don't work out you gain weight something else gets worse And so I have always Worked out which I have found to be helpful from a physical as well as a mental perspective And especially now going through all this Not being able to work out consistently has been an issue I do not feel like it's a strength thing but at times I'll tell you for example a couple weeks ago because of some elevated liver and kidney Blood levels I had to do no working out at all because that also impacts your liver numbers And that's why I go to this whole consistently inconsistent. I've thought about Okay, do you do full body? Do you do you know Upper and lower? I myself have always been a muscle group person right chest tries best you know backbys shoulders legs etc And so you know I'm coming to you guys And by the way I'm coming to you guys while I'm not wearing my valori And I do have my caldera Moisturized wrong so That's why you look so young Why is it looking why is he looking younger than south? This is not right You know at 60 that that that Adam has been a lot of help and look I also when I work out 60 to 75 minutes so it's also over a long period Yeah, I would typically say maybe five different exercises depending upon how I feel four to five sets of those And I know in the back of my head I can you know for this process I can hear Adam saying well You know the least amount of effort for the most amount of Of getting there and success But there's a little bit of mental block on that as well And so as I say I think to summarize it I was thinking you know here I am Another six months of treatment on the minimum And it would be great to understand any of your guys experience working with people who have cancer Who for different reasons And I know there's multiple it's a rollercoaster events You know that you've either assisted or just have thoughts about how to proceed from a working out perspective Yeah, I appreciate you calling in Stuart and you're doing really well. Yeah, how long have you been working out? I would tie it probably you know 30 35 years. So I'm 60 years old now. I'll be 61 next year But I'm a long time working out. Okay. That's what I thought. That's what I thought So I've worked with a few people with diagnosis, you know similar similar bit different and I think the way you're approaching it is right the the I think what would help Is if you take health and you enlarge the sphere of things that contribute to better health In other words, I'm gonna do something every day To improve my health which includes mental health spiritual health physical health. Okay, so an example would be I'm wiped I'm wiped from my treatment. I can't work out Can I read something that's gonna make me feel better? Mentally, can I stretch? Can I go for a walk? So every single day in I watch a good Marvel movie. I mean every single day you want to do something For yourself. So you want to have that hour every day. This is the hour. I take care of myself And then and I would trust you to do this because you've been working out for so long What is gonna be what is gonna be best for me in this hour and then whatever you do is is great and so it's not gonna look very structured Because of the unpredictability of what you're experiencing In other words, we can't make something super structured because we don't know what you're gonna feel like The next time you get a treatment or the month after or whatever and so what you do all you do here's your consistency Every day This is the time that I do something to make myself feel better could be a massage It could be yoga could be watching something that's uplifting because that's all you could do Could be meditation or prayer could also be lifting weights could be cardio And that's just the way you're gonna so the consistency is For the net for what I'm gonna do every single day for an hour Is something that's gonna contribute to improving my health and then you decide what that is You already said what I would say to you because you're you are You're not you're the type of client that I have to pull back not push and motivate to go do more shit So that would be and you already said what I'd say to you I'd be in your ear about that and just and I'd always be challenging that of like You know Stuart is it that big of a deal that you don't lift today and maybe go for a walk and do something else Because you are strong you are healthy you are fit you are somebody who's been very consistent with that You are the type to most likely push through when you feel achy or pain because you don't want to miss the workout And so I would just be communicating that I'd be challenging all the other like as we would get to know each other as as a trainer and client I would try my best to find more out about all the other things that give you joy and fulfillment in your life And I would just encourage that stuff is like hey, it's totally okay that you don't get a lift in today And you go do that other thing that we both know fulfills you. And so. So that's where I would constantly be poking you because you're not the client who I got a motive it. I mean, a lot of my, you know, advanced age cancer patient clients were not like you. They were obese or they had a lot of other, they're getting them to work out and they're just now coming to me to work out because they didn't do it in their life and we're trying to create more health and fitness habits and behaviors. So it's a different conversation than I think I'm having with someone like you. I'm probably digging into other aspects of your life and making sure that you're hitting all those other things as much as you are the workouts and some of that and just leaning into, yeah, I so you don't feel physically great today. So let's do the other things that fulfill you. What do you guys think about just when I look at the next six months now that I've gone these results, I at least know where I'm heading for the time being, which is a monthly immunotherapy. Sometimes you know, as I say that week or the next week you might be knocked out, but you probably have three decent weeks now, unless I have to do different things because of certain results. What are your thoughts about the full body versus, you know, upper body, lower body thinking? Okay, if you have, if you know you're going to get maybe three days in during those three weeks of the month is one better than the other just so you're not missing a body part. No, no, we're missing whatever you enjoy more. Yeah, and we're missing, we're missing the big picture here. I would prefer a mass 15 store, which would be torturous for the 70 minute workout guy just so you know, like you feel the next day more than anything. Can I do it five times? Well, the thing you got to consider, Stewart, is it's not just about when you feel crummy from the immunotherapy. It's also cumulative stress over time, and so we don't want to do, so here's the trap that might happen. Okay, I got three good weeks, I'm going to get after it because I know next week I'm not going to work out. Yeah. So I'm going to make up for that week. You can overload it. By getting after it the next three weeks, that's a trap. So it's literally, I know in week four, my body's going to be fighting. So I'm going to take care of myself going into that week four. That'll serve you much better. The beautiful part is healthy. The beautiful part about a man that has put in 35 plus years of being consistent with lifting weights is how little you have to do to keep all that shit. It's very, very, what, that, I mean, you did the hard work 35 years, 35 years of being that consistent guy who lifts and loves to work out with those splits, induce hour, hour and a half workouts. And so now you're at a time in your life where you can still maintain that muscle mass and that strength and that health with very little of that time that you've put into it. And the challenging part is the psychological part because you've trained yourself so well to do that for so long. So again, if you and I were training together, I'd be constantly reminding you that's two or two. Wayne, you literally, if you get to the gym and you can do two of those good exercises, you're perfect. You're good. You get better results. We're good. Exactly. You'll get better results. You'll feel just as strong, just as capable. And you end to Salis Point. I'm not, I'm not teetering on that red line, getting ready to go into. Which by the way, that red line has moved to the left quite a bit because of what you're going through. Yeah. So what, what used to be appropriate for you, volume and intensity is very different right now. Tolerance is different. Yeah. So, so that's the way you got to approach it. Don't try to make up for that week or so with the week three weeks or two weeks that you feel good. Yeah, especially being down 15 pounds. Yeah, I've gained a little bit of it back. That's the other part right. I'm used to. Sure. I'm forming a certain way. Those days I work out, I'm not feeling weak. I do feel strong. It's mentally thinking, okay, you've got to, you can't be pushing your facts. You've got to be pushing 60, 70. Sometimes 50% of your max they go from there. Yeah, no, every day you do something that you, you know, think, try separate yourself and say, how many, how can I take care of the guy right now? What's the right thing to do for this guy? How would I train myself if I was my friend? And you've got that hour and then you do, you do whatever that looks like. And a lot of times it's going to look like not a workout. Yeah. Great. Have you, Stewart, I mean, you're obviously disciplined enough and tells you enough. Have you considered though having like a coach that you kind of check in with as you go through this process just to kind of be that second pair of eyes or person who's kind of in your ear a little bit? I have not. My wife will try to be that person because she's a powerhouse herself. Just something for you to consider because I think just like we're doing right now, having someone like that to just kind of, hey, this is what I'm thinking this week and having someone who's a, Stewart, I think this is a better idea and then go and like, okay, that makes sense might be of value to you too. No, it's definitely something to think about. We are all in different areas feel like we have enough knowledge, but it's kind of like reading a magazine or watching this program where you're always going to get one nugget out of it at least, right? Uh-huh. I didn't think about that in a different, let me look it through that lens that perspective. Totally. Totally. Yep. It's also just, just let somebody else run it for you. Yeah. You know, outsourcing. That's right. Well, I appreciate it. Yeah. You do my brother. You guys keep doing what you're doing. I wish you nothing but the best of luck as you continue to go and enjoy every single phase with your children. Thank you. I mean, each one special and each, each attempt. Do you mind if I do a shout out? No, no for it. I'd like to give a shout out to my wife, especially as I think about your guys program. So my wife Grace, who also goes by senior strong, is been phenomenal. She's an emotional powerhouse when it comes to emotional support from me for these last six months. And also in the gym. And the reason why I bring this up is she's everything you keep preaching to women. She's 68 years old, 120 pounds, so can wet. Meanwhile, she uses 120 pound dumbbell when she does elevated, you know, sumo squats, who pushes 300 pounds plus an hour on our sled that we have in our basement gym. And you know, she's strong, lean, powerful, sexy and not at all bulky. And it's everything you got. You know, these two things, everything you guys preach to your community about, you know, the emotional powerhouse and also being the strength powerhouse is everything. She embodies a true model of that. That's great. That's awesome. That's a great partner to have. It is. That's why I say show it. So be see. Listen, I should be your coach. Yeah, listen to you about everything else. Guys, you have a great day and I appreciate your time and your input and keep doing what you're doing. Thanks, Stuart. Thanks to it. Thanks. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, great. That's tough. But you know, I had a few clients like this and the workouts sometimes look like workouts. Sometimes it looked like we would go around, we go for a walk. Sometimes it looked like I'm rubbing their feet in the session. It's too unpredictable to create a schedule. The only schedule is I'm going to do something every day. Do you see my thing? Yeah, listen to your body. This is why you did this for 35 years. I mean, this is the perk of it is that again, this is why he's unique because at least for me, I didn't get a lot of clients like him. Normally when they hired me, they got this bad news. And they weren't doing anything. They weren't doing anything. They were unhealthy. And then now here I am trying to create. Trying to make up. And I'm trying to balance everything he's balancing from a health perspective while also trying to introduce them to strength training and you're juggling that right? He's totally different. He's built this incredible consistency around lifting weights and strength that you can see how good he looks. He has to do very little in the weight room to maintain all of that stuff that he's done. So I think if he's my client, there's a lot more digging I'm doing with the other things that fulfill him. Like I much rather see him go hang out with his kid or his wife doing something at the park for an hour than another hour in the gym that week lifting weights. I really see him do the math 15 protocol and then go do something else that is fulfilling him giving him joy because he's done such a good job with other stuff. Our next caller is Sandy from Connecticut. Welcome back. Hey Sandy. Hello. How are you? Good. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, I thought because it's my 90 day follow up, I thought I'd give a little summary and then get into the updates and there's been a couple changes since I sent in my email last week. So I'm just going to read my email just so I don't go off on a tangent. All right. Okay. First of all, I can't thank you enough for this very, very generous offer opportunity to have three follow up calls. I was feeling so defeated and hopeless when I first wrote in. I was ready to give up. So writing in was my last attempt for any sign of hope thinking I may never hear back from you. I got an immediate response and have been so blessed to have had the opportunity to follow up three times. So 90 days later, I have to think back to even remember feeling like giving up. My weight was still is my biggest fitness challenge and all I want is to give back to where it was a few years ago when I felt so fit and looked pretty good. All the hard work that I had done to be in my best shape ever and maintain that for eight years was taken from me, unneccessary med changes that messed up my hormones and metabolism, followed by another devastating events over the next two years. All the hits kept coming, but I stayed the course despite seeing the weight gain and my strength go down. I was on a mission to fix it all by myself to trust no one ever again and to ask for no more help. We all know that was an epic fail. So I turned to you as you have been my go-to fitness podcast for the past four years. So thanks to you guys. I was able to understand that I need to focus on the steps to get there. Like go of all the anger of how I got where I am and I had to stop wishing for the final goal to be immediate, which for me was the number on the scale and being able to look at myself again. Your support and direction these 90 days has given me a new focus, recovery being my priority. I know you know all this. I just want you to know that I really truly do get it to now too. I am trusting the process. You've given me the tools of motivation and will to power through and reclaim my former self despite all the challenges. So thank you from the bottom of my heart. Okay, no more tears today. I have to give a shout out to my trainer Greg. He has supported me through these changes by incorporating all your recommendations into my workout and listening endlessly to my comments about my mind pump boys. He wasn't 100% sold on the changes, but said that I was going to be his guinea pig to test these ideas. He took total control and he watched the number so I could let him all go. My priorities went from the scale to building my community stress management, improving my sleep and workouts and nutrition being last on the list, which was very weird and challenging for me, given what my goal was when we first talked. So here we are. 90 days. Here's my updates. I'm becoming more of a regular at church, rather than the new lady. I have to apologize or in the middle of a thunderstorm. So if you're hearing all that and hopefully don't lose connection. I did talk to a few people at the coffee, don't it hour last week at the end of service? And I have two people wanting to walk with me. Pastor Dan is going to announce it next week at the service to invite others. He absolutely loved the idea and we're going to work together on growing healthier at a church in a church community. And I found out by the way that before he was a pastor, he was a personal trainer. Oh, you know, that was great. Divine intervention brought us together. So when he does that, yep. Yep. I am consistently averaging six hours a sleep at night. I've had some seven hours. I even had an eight hours. Wow. Yeah, that's that's huge. 90 days ago it was about four hours. That's awesome. I am using a fit inspiration journal daily. And that's tracking healthy habits, gratitude, appreciation, inspiration, plans and outcomes instead of food tracking and instead of tracking my weight. I am able to really focus on my fitness goals again versus using exercise as an avoidance tactic, which I was doing. Setting the small achievable goals is working. It's slower than I'd like, but I am focusing on the positive outcome so far. The prime warm up and adding the pelvic tilt exercises has helped my back so much. If there's anything else you want to throw at me to do for that, that would be greatly appreciated, but so much better. Thank you. Nutrition, I followed your advice from last time and focused on the problem areas rather than, you know, beating myself up for not tracking and, you know, not not being perfect all day. My problem areas were dinner and snacks. So I'm doing four meals a day, 50 grams of protein breakfast lunch and dinner and 20 grams for that snack. No tracking. I am planning ahead for dinner just to make sure that I'm prioritizing my protein and having whole foods available. And I do prep my protein on Sunday for my salads for the week, which is just a lot of chicken. So I did the evil evil body scan back in April for my baseline. If you remember me telling you how awful that was and how hard it was, but Greg didn't let me look at the numbers, which was awesome. My plan was to repeat it in 90 days so I could give you the results, which I was dreading. And Adam, as you pointed out, and I thank you forever, um, that that's not my business. That's Greg. Those are numbers for Greg to do his job. So I went back and told Greg that uh, those are his numbers. And uh, so anyway, I decided to do it. I did it for for all of us. Um, so we could see these numbers and say, but that's one reason. The other reason was I was feeling really strong and failing, really strong. My clothes are feeling different. So I said, there's got to be some improvement. So let me try it. So I did it. So the outcome is I did go up another pound um, since April. Um, but I lost 3.3 pounds of fat and I gained 4.4 pounds of muscle. Yeah. Yeah. How's that feel? Oh my gosh. Awesome. Um, I mean, I don't care about that one pound. Well, hopefully Greg's a believer now. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, those are those are stellar numbers. That's a seven pound swing in the positive by the major multi-composition, by not obsessing over the over the numbers and just focusing on other things. I mean, I don't think I possibly could have got better results. No, yeah. I in that amount of time, where our sleep is, everything that's going to let I don't think that I could have possibly done about that. That's as perfect as you could have done. Yep. Well, I haven't it's been over three years before or since I've seen any muscle gain at all. And you know, and I've been being told that at my age, um, I'll be 67 on Saturday. How did that mean that that I won't see muscle gain? Um, that maintaining muscle is hard work. And I was doing a great job because I've been maintaining it for years. Um, but I did about three years ago. I did bump it up to or three pounds, but not since, not since. So I was. Sandy, can I tell you the things that made that happen? Yes. Okay. You built community. You stopped stressing over macros and your sleep got better. Those are the three things that made that change with your body composition. It wasn't I worked out harder. I worked out more consistent. I tracked my macros. I cut my calories. It was in the order that I'm giving you community. Uh, I'm not stressing over everything. I'm just kind of looking at my protein and I'm getting better sleep. And the reason why I'm telling you this, because here's here's here's what may happen now. You may want to push the pedal a little bit. You may be like, yeah, we're moving the right direction. Let's go. I'm going to start tracking again. I'm going to start pushing things. I, I'm going to I'm going to pull you away from that. Continue building your community. I love what your pastor is supporting you doing. I love that. I think that's going to bring you so much value and quality of life. I think you're going to help somebody else is what's going to happen. I think you're going to get someone else that's going to need help. And you're going to be able to coach that. Just as a friend. And that's going to be so valuable. Your sleep is going to continue to improve. And I don't think you ever need to track your food again. Well, I'm glad you said that because I was kind of feeling, woohoo, let's go. I think it back to perfect in all areas. You did perfect. You, you did perfect. I just want to make that clear that I don't think we possibly could have done better. By the way, too, we're, I'm looking at the numbers. I got the whole thing from Greg plus nine and a half percent on skeletal muscle mass. Yeah. It's in your, the numbers are insane. To get that, that kind of response is incredible. So the, you know, we can only screw it up by trying to overthink it and overdo it. It's like what you're doing is perfect. Don't don't get in the way. Just keep, keep your head down. Keep moving forward. Keep doing the things you're doing. That's it. And I'll tell you what, if, if the opportunity, I feel like this is going to happen, Sandy, but if the opportunity presents itself for somebody that could use your help, I think you taken on a client would be phenomenal. I think you meet someone at the church and, and they need help and you talk with them. You're like, hey, you know what? You mind if I help you? I've been tracking food for a while. I've been working out for a little while. I'd love to coach. or I'd love to do these walks with you, or if you want to get on a call, I think that would be phenomenal for someone like you. And I think you would do a good job. - I would love that, yeah. There were a couple of people at church. One of the things that he does during the service is ask if anybody wants to share a joy or a concern. And there were two people that lost family members pretty young this past week. And for illnesses that in my mind probably could have been prevented. - Yeah. - So I think the timing was good for, hey, anybody want to walk? Instead of eating donuts. So yeah, there might be, and there is somebody at work. Actually, she's a young woman who is facing a hip replacement surgery and her doctor won't do it yet until she loses some weight and gets some exercise. But her thinking is she can't do either until she has her hip replaced. And so it's just a vicious circle. And I was like, yeah, there's things you could do. And so I did. - Yeah, just offer to help. I heard something the other day, which I thought was so incredible. The fruit of suffering is empathy. And I think the people who've gone through it and really been challenged in my experience, the best coaches for the best coaches. - Yeah, she was, I told her, let's just chat. She was trying to walk and said, "Why don't we just, it's too hot now." And I said, "We can just walk up and down the hall "let us slow pace." - Oh, that's wonderful. - And let me tell you about my dietitian that I worked with. And here's a podcast you should listen to. I mean, she's not going to go into a lift heavy stuff. I know that, but, you know, I had to share my really old before picture. And I didn't share any, I didn't share my, when I look my best picture because I don't look like that right now. But even my previous, you know, my before picture to now is, she's like, oh my god. I said, yeah, I said, no, I don't, I don't run. I don't do a lot of cardio. I said, I pick up heavy shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sandy, good job. You want a successful one? - When we hang up, I want you to send a dog an email of your shirt size and Greg's shirt size. And I want to send a mind pump shirt to Greg. - Oh my god, that's so awesome. - Yeah, so that is so awesome. - Hopefully we've made him a believer now. - Oh, definitely. And, you know what, I have sent him a few episodes that I was like, you need to listen to this one. This one's about us. And he listens to him on the way home. And, you know, I'm doing a three minute rest now between my exercises. And I'm fine with it. I see, I really see the benefits. So, I am telling all your listeners who are not believers. I was a non-believer of that. I thought that makes no sense. I'm telling you one difference. So, so yeah, that's great. And, yeah, so he, when he said that I was going to be his guinea pig. And he said he was doing the long rest and some of his workouts now just to, you know, expand the research project here. - So great. - So I got a shirt, I got a t-shirt with a guinea pig on it. (laughing) - That's awesome. - Right on, Sandy. - Sandy, so great. - Sandy, love you. - Thank you so much. This has been great. Stay in touch. If you need more help later on, let us know. - Yep. - If you're ever in California, reach out to us and we'd love to meet you. - That would be awesome. And, you know, I know everybody tells you guys what a difference you make in lives you save. I hope you really hear that. I mean, what a difference. So, thank you so, so much. - Thank you, Sandy. Thank you, Sandy. - Thank you. - All right. That's, that, that's wonderful. Give me an emotional. - For ocean. - I know. That's why, it's-- - Ro, seven pound swing. - That's why we-- - It's like coaches do everything. - In the right direction. - Ro, at her age with barely getting her sleep improved. - Do you remember her in her first call? - Yeah, man. - She was really-- - Well, we don't normally do three checkbacks. I know all of us were really concerned that she was gonna turn. So, you know, it took about 90 days. It took about 90 days for it all to finally happen. - For her whole lady going on. - And the fact that her talk about little, you know, we'll coincidence, I guess you could call it, but we know what it is. The pastor used to be a trainer. - Oh, yeah. - So she's like, and he's gonna make an announcement. - Find an invention. - And I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few people that Sandy just started to-- - How? - Through this process. - Yeah. - You know, so phenomenal. - Great story. - Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's my input media. - Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at MindPumpMedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballac, maps for performance, and maps aesthetic. 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