5 OpenClaw agents run my home, finances, and code | Jesse Genet

What brought you to the lobster agent we know and love? Because I follow these obsidian influencers, one of them buried in a comment on a day where I was just scrolling was like, game changer is layering onto your obsidian and actually having an agent who uses your files for you. And I was like, whoa, what is that? At first I thought like, I don't know if I'm technical to put this on my computer, like I don't know what I'm doing. But then I jumped in, this is really interesting. I want to figure this out and I want to run my home school this way so maybe this can help. You're trying to get all this stuff organized and you thought, man, if AI could do this for me, then I could actually get done what I wanted. Obsidian has this cool opportunity of being your second brain, right? But the problem is I'm always looking for my first brain because I have four little kids. I didn't really have time to develop the second brain. People just don't appreciate how much it unlocks for folks that do have this ambition to really be there for their family and kids and also get all sorts of cool stuff done. And I feel the same revolution in my relationship with time. Welcome back to How AI. I'm Claire Vell, product leader and AI obsessive here on a mission to help you build better with these new tools. Today we have Jesse Jene, who has four kids and five open claw Mac Minis sitting on her desk, helping her run everything from her home school to her finances. Jesse has established there two phases now, before claw and after claw. And she is going to show us the future of what an after claw life looks like. Let's get to it. This episode is brought to you by Optimizely. Most marketing teams aren't short on ideas, but what they are short on is time. And that's exactly what Optimizely Opal gives you back, with AI agents that handle real marketing workflows. 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And I think your use cases are so interesting. And I love what you figured out. So tell me what brought you to the lobster agent. We know and love. Why did you get started with this? Well, you're right. It wasn't because I really wanted to segment all my marketing, which is like what I see over and over and my feed from like a bunch of tech guys. But I have been, I've actually been using this product called Obsidian for a while. So this is like my, like how I even learned about it because I learned about it like over a month ago now which is kind of like ancient history in like claw land, right? But the reason is because I follow some people who are like deep users of this second brain product called Obsidian, which is like a collection of markdown files and we can get more into that. But because I follow these Obsidian influencers, one of them like buried in a comment on a day where I was just scrolling was like game changer is layering quad bots, which it was called at the time onto your Obsidian and actually having an agent who like uses your files for you. Because I've been trying to organize my home school in Obsidian, but honestly, I don't think I have the time to log properly all my stuff. And I'm like running into all these roadblocks actually using it because I don't have any time. It's true because I'm a mom. So that was my discovery moment with seeing this person say that and I was like, what does that mean? I went and looked up like what Claude Batwood, which is now called OpenClaw. And I, at first I thought like, I don't know if I'm technical to put this on my computer, like I don't know what I'm doing. But then I jumped in and I'm sure you had a bunch of like snaffos, I was reading your tweets about some of them and I had my own, but that was like my jump in moment. Like this is really interesting. So you were running homes your home school partially on Obsidian. And we've actually had a couple episodes on Obsidian. Theresa Torres did one on Obsidian in Claude Claude, how she's running her own personal brain off of it. But you're trying to get all this stuff organized and you thought, man, if AI could do this for me, then I could actually get done what I wanted. So do you want to show us what that brain looked like and then where kind of open-law layered on top? - Okay, so Obsidian has this cool opportunity of being your second brain, right? But the problem is I'm always looking for my first brain, okay, because I have four little kids. So I didn't really have time to develop this second brain. So we're in my obsidian now, okay, and I call my vault, obsidian is structured on vault. I call my vault family learning. And the reason I actually titled it that was that we, I want to track almost everything that's even vaguely educational about my kids' life, like even if we go on a trip or something. So I track more than just lessons in here, but we can get to that. But the core structure that I've been trying to get to, that open-claw finally allows me to get to, because it's actually doing the heavy lifting, is I try to log all the little lessons and different things that I do with the kids. And so, but I don't have time to go in here and write all this structured data. So I wanna know the date we did at Ewerna Huzi Instructor, which children of mine, out of the four of them were like included in that lesson. What was taught, what might come like next notes that we have. And so here's my kids learning about the color wheel and like matching colors and stuff like that. And the vine that I wanted was to take photos of a lesson that I do, and then basically just upload them and have the actual open-claw log the full-lessed contents. And it's not just because I'm an obsessive record keeper, although maybe that accusation is fair. But it's also because I want to be able to use AI to plan curriculum. So if the AI knows I did this like, cool pattern matching thing with number blocks, then it can suggest not just taking a few pictures of my kids, this is like a greeting. Then it can suggest that maybe it seems like Quinn nailed the pattern blocks with my old-esse, but maybe L who is like too clearly isn't quite there. And it can actually track their progression over time and actually help me build curriculum off of that. So with all these logs, we have curriculum, curriculum sources also like, for instance, I love the BFSU, like the specific science curriculum. And so I track those a curriculum source. And then my open-claw, again, this is just so manual for me, I was like trying to type in chapters of the book and all this stuff. But what I do is actually take photos of the entire book and maybe that's in my photos. Yeah, okay, yeah. Like here, I actually, once I realized the power of open-claw started taking photos of entire books, like in actually giving the entire book to my open-claw, so they could help me build more detailed curriculum. So-- - Okay, can we take a pause? - Yes. - 'Cause yes, let's go back to photos. Every parent loves this teacher kid to read in a hundred lessons. I have this book, it has gone through two children already, and part of the challenge of this book, this is gonna be very niche parenting content. - Yes, it's very-- - It's actually hard to know if you're teaching this book well. Even though they have this very dense up front introduction about how you're supposed to teach it. - Yeah, I always didn't feel confident about was I teaching it correctly, was I saying those, those phonemes correctly? And it's such a brilliant idea to take a photo of all this and build even a lesson plan that just I could understand. So this is, I just wanna pause and tell people, this is such a great workflow to just take a book or reference material, take lots of photos of it, maybe have your kids take photos of it. - Yeah, you know, that's what it is. - This is where I would open-close, delegate everything, but I have, okay, so I have even more niche ideas off of this one book that I wanna do, that I, that I, we can talk about what I'd done with open-close, but there's a couple of things I want to do that I think I can do that I'm getting closer to. And one is this book has special letter forms for helping teach your kids like, how like a TH that is connected for teaching them the sound, duh, for instance. And so I'm actually thinking of 3D printing all of the letter forms from this book so I can then actually like, spell out letters that, in words, to give my kids like in a physical lesson that match the letter forms in the book. There's like things that I wanna do to bring this curriculum kind of like, out of this one environment, or take the stories, like my kids like these little stories in the book, but if you notice the story is kind of like buried amongst all this other text, and I just feel like sometimes they find it hard to focus on like, this like, see me eat and they're like distracted by everything else on the page. So I was thinking, what if I could extract that like, story from the book using open-cloth and maybe make like, printouts of the story like as a little booklet or something. just just ways to actually make this book kind of come alive. But again, I have all his hopes and dreams, but I'm also actually homeschooling mom before. So I really need open cloth to do the heavy lifting. This thing, like I need it to be I can't actually do it. Okay, so I interrupted you with niche phonics mom aside here, but what you were saying is you want to bring in a bunch of reference material as well into Obsidian. Yeah. And one thing that's nice about AI in general is that you can just do that in a kind of unstructured form. You just take pictures, but then what are you doing with that? So this is the layout that I've created. So curriculum source is something like that book, like teacher kids to read in 100 years. And that's a source. And and and there's so many brilliant sources available to us as parents, right? So I don't need to reinvent the wheel all the time. So as a curriculum source, then there's actually curriculum, which is like progressions of lessons I'm coming up with and lesson plans. So this, okay, so for instance, I have that curriculum source of the basic fundamentals of scientific understanding that acronym is BFSU. And then these are the lesson plans from that book. Okay, so these are all just these are lesson plans I generated off of each chapter of the book. Okay, so it gives me it pulls into a lesson plan the actual objectives of that lesson, the key concepts and vocabulary, the materials I need to do activities are suggested in the book. And then let's take it to another level. So so this helps me because instead of just sitting down and reading the chapter, I can kind of cut to the chase and like be like, okay, but I'm actually going to teach it tomorrow. Let's like get this ready and I actually can see the materials I need to pull out and all this stuff. And then what I'm really getting into that is very open-cloth related is actually asking my open-cloth to help me generate completely custom materials. So I'll make this real. We just did yesterday this B-6 how animals move skeleton and muscles. And last week we did this addotations and survival about how animal like what it takes for animals to survive. Let me go over to Slack and you can see me interacting a little bit with my open-cloth. I was like, okay, I want watercolor illustrations suitable for kids that can print on even half by 11 of each of these concepts. And by the way, here's the concepts. Here's my finger like with a book page of like these nine concepts of what it takes for an animal to survive and it's own in the wild. And it's trying to make it real free-blowing. This is how low-fi I'm going. Like I just take a picture of a snippet of that book and then I ask it to you do news now. I open an app and I gave it that's a Gemini, a Google Gemini AI product. And so I had to give the API key for that specific image generation model to my open-cloth. But then it made these files. Look how gorgeous these are. I'm like, I'm gonna tear up it. I think it's because I'm also supposed to fart them on by I'm like, look at how beautiful this owl is. I'm like, okay, I just want to explain that my prompt was like make, let me go back to it. It was just like make in watercolor style illustrations suitable for kids that can print on even half by 11 paper for each of these concepts. Okay. Like I just I just I just don't know I just want everyone to sit with us for a moment. Like how basic is that? Now the other real thing I want to share is that in the this Sylvie. Okay, so I'm trying to Sylvie. I have five different open-cloths spun up because I am insane. Okay, we'll cover that more. But Sylvie is my home school oriented open-cloth. I'm trying to like make Sylvie from her like the soul. There's this soul.md file. I'm trying to make her into like the most magnificent teacher like the world has ever seen. So she's like always really creative and like really bubbly and has like really like she's just really into kids like learning right? So because that's like her personality that's why I want her to be like. And so she's adding a layer like from her soul.md file I think of like how to make these images like actually really stand out for children. So it's a combo of like my basic prompt to her and her own like injection of like okay but we really need to make these concepts pop for the children you know. Can I ask a question for you because I think you know some people that are going to be listening to this episode are going to be open-cloth-pilled and have them set up and be working on telegram or something super shady just to like talk to their AI. And then some of them are going to be really new to this concept because I think what you're talking about is very accessible to parents, to students, to teachers, to actually anybody doing business is all these concepts of how can you log your day in a structured way? How can you take one piece of content and turn it into another piece of content? How can you create great visuals? Those are all applicable across a lot of use cases. But you just said you have five agents you sort of like glossed over that as if that's easy. How do you technically set that up in open-cloth? So I would say agents collaboration is one of the hardest things that I'm still hacking on. So just to be really blunt. And I will explain a couple foundation elements. So first coming over back to Obsidian in this it's maybe a little hard to see it in this bottom corner. I'm in the family's learning vault. But one way I partitioned the scope and role of each of the agents that I've spun up is that they have a role in my life. Like I have someone in by someone I mean an open-cloth because sometimes I talk about them with their literature achievement and I have actually conceived. People are like wait are these in plays are these people? What is it going on? So Sylvie is the open-cloth where I focus on homeschool content, curriculum generation logging. She only has access to this family learning vault. Okay. I then have an agent fin west. I don't know what I'm just taking these names at random. Okay. Who is focused on accounting and like I send him all my receipts and I'm trying to have him help me say organize financially. He has access to his family office vault. So I'm kind of sharing a version of like provisioning agents. I have five because I want them to all have very separate personas with separate responsibilities and that makes it worth it to me to have multiple agents. Okay. If you just want to create kind of an EA agent who helps you a little bit with town school and little bit with that with this and that that's not wrong or bad either but I really wanted to go deep and actually make it would be kind of weird if Sylvie who's like my whole purpose in life is to teach kids beautiful information was like if I center my receipts I would almost feel like I'm being rude like I do like this is beneath Sylvie you know like she needs to focus on the children. So that's part of why I have created multiple agents. Now I am trying to work towards a path where my agents collaborate to like make my life even more autonomous like it'd be really cool if Claire who's my more like EA-ish like scheduling and like thing like scheduling in my time management or during groceries and things like this it'd be cool if Claire could like talk to Sylvie effectively and help plan out maybe my lessons for the week in like tell Claire like oh tell Sylvie oh she can't do that time because she has doctor appointment but this is a little bit I'm not quite there to be honest I move all my agents to Slack because Cole is working on dev projects anyway so Cole is my dev AI but I have them all in Slack because I thought Slack would be better for collaboration because it's like a human collaboration tool but to be perfectly frank I believe now after spending more than a week with five agents that there's no one communication channel that is native to open Claw meaning what you're talking about telegram Slack iMessage signal is actually very good for agent agent collaboration yep because all of these tools have been made for humans to use and agents are kind of like hacking into them from the side like in order to even add my open Claw to Slack this is one of the one of the hardest components of my open Claw set up for each agent was creating a custom Slack app to add the agent as a bot into my Slack so I just want to be really blunt like that was really hard that that was harder than creating the open Claw itself and so to create the open Claw yourself are you asking open Claw to create a new agent are you spinning up a new install or that how do you do that so basically here's my team I just thought I thought the route like the turn around I had a little Mac mini box sitting on my desk that's what I was sitting my laptop on this is where I'm at okay like they they're people need to know like people need like it's like a send help to Jesse's house kind of situation my baby don't hear from me for a while um in this necessary no and even financially I want to like address like I recognize I'm able to afford these Mac mini's already that's like a lot of money just generally speaking I was not expecting this by the way okay you can you can run more than one open Claw on a Mac mini I'll even explain why do I have so many sitting on my desk have one reason is I'm trying to partition their worlds completely yeah um so for instance Finn who's going to handle financial stuff again this maybe just makes you seem so insane but I run a pararonic full quick books in a sense for our family's personal finance because I love that because I'm such a super geek so so that means every expense to categorize all this stuff but that means there's a lot of sensitive information um I want Finn to have like he's not going to get access to my bank accounts till like he used but I'm gonna give him read only access to all bank savings all sorts of stuff so like a lot of information I frankly don't want that information sitting on the same Mac mini as like Claire who's uh be open closing and scheduling I don't want her to accidentally like send like some information from a bank statement to like the kids piano teacher, just 'cause she's texting with her or something. So that's why I've separate me. Now there are other ways to partition agents. This is kind of my lazy way, like just being perfectly frank. Like there's other ways to partition them, but I'm just trying to be overly cautious because there are security concerns with open claw. And I wanna make sure that I have this actual like physical environment for each one to live in for right now. - Yeah, I wanna call this out for folks that maybe miss that, which is the physical partitioning of different Mac minis is great. And then each instance is in a file system. So you do have to think really carefully about what file system you're putting any of these agents in. And then what I like about what you're doing is you're partitioning them by access both to data and to input output, which is like, that's very smart to say, I'll give you access to all my bank accounts, our bank account statements, highly risky, but you can't talk to anybody. So it's not going anywhere. - And Finn doesn't have any communication channel, it's up to fuck. He can't get out of that bubble. But what Claire has access to eye massage for like texting people for scheduling and different stuff. And so I don't want her to have bank statements. So I am, and this is actually something that, I was talking to someone else, my good friend of mine. And this is maybe a nub that I think is lost on a lot of folks while setting up an open claw. Many folks have not maybe hired an employee before. And I'm not going to be like, you know, derisive or something, but basically like, it's so similar to that. So I do think that because I have a background as a bridge printer I have hired an employee, I just have that mindset on. And let me describe it so that it's not big. The mindset is I just met this person. Okay, so whether it's a person I just met on the street where I decided to hire, could they have like, great interview, whether it's this new open claw, and this is like a new entity in my life. Well, do you normally just say like, hey, new person? Here's like access to all my email. Here's the, here's that like you step into trust based on them using information and access, like the way you ask them to. And also you don't ask them to impersonate you. Usually the golden employees not to impersonate you. So none of the open claws have full read write access to my email or my stuff. They have their own stuff. One open claw has access to reading my emails, only read. They cannot send emails as me, but I have provision trust that they can read and like surface information to me. It totally does because people are asking me, I had early on a pretty unique setup and I was like, there's no way I'm giving direct access to my email, but you got an email from Polly. Polly has her own email address. And the reason why I knew how to do this really quickly is I set up my agent with its own email address. I delegated access to my calendar, for example, to that agent. I gave it a, its own one password vault and I put a couple key things in there that you use. People are like, well, how did you know how to do this? I was like, I've had three EAs. I know how to onboard an EA and you don't say, here's the password to my email address. That's just not how you do it. And then I like this idea of like progressive trust in your agents. You know, you say most, you don't ask most employees and personate you. The first thing Polly did when I asked her to send one email was send it as me. And I, one I sounded truly insane the way she sent it except the email. And I had to like follow up and be like, sorry, that's my sentient lobster. But she's gotten better and you got the email where she's got like a little lobster emoji. So if you know what I mean. Yeah, you know what it means. And you were very polite in addressing her by name. You're a blind. But I think it was very important. Yeah. What's funny is like, but that my philosophy on how to manage an open claw really does stand from management of employees. Because actually I am polite. Because I'm like, I'm just going to treat them like an employee. So I think, you know, I don't want to confuse people. I don't think that it's like there's a human in that box and I'm not fending them. I don't actually think that. But what I do think is that because LLMs have like grown up on the internet and with team and content, they do know when someone's being rude or not. And so like, do I want them to know me as someone who is professional direct or not? Like, I do think there's a relationship being built between human and bot. And so I don't think like it's going to jump out of the computer and kill me if I'm rude or something crazy. I just think that why would I be rude? The only difference is that I can rely on the fact that Sylvie, who helps you at home school, like that she's never having a bad day. That there's no day that her boyfriend dumped her. That there's no, like, that I don't have to skirt around the issue. So I'm a little more direct. And I obviously don't have to worry about giving her a task at 11 p.m. I don't have to feel like, oh, I'm such a jerk boss. So these are all benefits, but I still fundamentally do treat it like an employee relationship in order to kind of make sure that we have like a heli system. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so you have, we're just going to step back into it. And I know you don't personify your Mac mini's, but I am going to send you like Google Ys and Mustaches and like a little bow for all of your Mac mini's after we're done here. OK, so you have your obsidian brain. You have fractured off agents. You've named them. You've put them in Slack for people that want to use Slack as a gateway channel on OpenClaw. You actually have to do some like app setup as a Slack developer, thoughts and prayers. And then you're doing lots of workflow stuff, like organizing your logs, organizing your lessons, building creative for those lessons. I think this is super cool, but you're also thin-scoding, right? Yeah. So fin is finance. Oh, finance finance. Oh, cool. Cool. Coolness coding. I now get it. I'm just making the sub, but I just went off of like the virus when I was naming. Claw is coding. So now we can jump back into a bit of a demo. Claw is coding. And this was a big unlock for me. So as someone who has previously-- I previously ran a startup where we developed software. But I had never opened terminal as a human being until six months ago. I sold my company to a tech company without ever having open terminal. So I'm almost embarrassed to be saying this, but I just want everyone to understand that I'm not actually secretly super technical. But that in this new era, I can like pop in, learn just a little bit more, and do so much. So with that, let me share my screen. I'm going to-- basically my new MO is like, if I can sync it, maybe I can build it, maybe. And Claw is helping me with that new thesis. This is something called Mera. All of this name means random. OK, I-- I created this just when I found it. It is not a real product. And by real, I mean, it's not out there. But I decided to code something up for my family. Then we came from-- probably it's extremely relatable to other parents, which is I have kids. I don't-- I'm not against content. I'm against them ever watching TV or ever having a screen time. But I really want the quality to be high. They're little. They're easily full. I feel bad on YouTube when they're watching the video that we put on. That's really nice and great like camping or something. And in the next video that comes up or the next options of video are like AI slop with AI cover art. And my kid thinks like, oh my gosh, it's a tree. It's the size of a skyscraper. And I'm like, OK, there is no such tree. They're literally being fooled. Anyway, it makes me sad. So I wanted to make something. And so effectively, this is a product where it pulls from YouTube content. And I can carry these streams. So you can see like ones that Cole and I came up with together. And then I'm doing tests of custom ones, which are why you see this thing called test tube, but science engineering, outdoor adventures. Now, here's just Keith. I didn't actually create playlists of any content. Cole has a prompt for going with a direction on YouTube and making an endless stream of videos that will play one after another. And so my kid-- this is my parental control area, basically. My kids can open the app. And the app looks so basic on their end. It's literally just a screen. And they can do all they can do is press go. And then it plays a video. And then if they don't like that video, all they can do is advance to the next video. And so they can like skip forward or go backwards. And it maintains like their history. So they can actually go backwards if they love something. And you want to see it again. And they can pause. And that's it. OK, literally all they can do is go forward, backwards and pause. This is a godsend to me. The other thing that I did that was like way beyond my technical capabilities, but Cole helped me through it, is I wanted this on my real TV. And he said I could buy this thing called a Google TV streamer, which is a device from Google. And then we actually were able to send the app to the Google TV streamer device. And then there's a little remote. And so there's actually a separate app. Like when I turn my TV on, I can select Apple TV, or I can select the mirror app literally and click into it. So my kids can't even get out of the app. Like once they're playing on TV to ever remote, that only controls that. Anyway, my mind is blown. But I think the most mind-blowing component is that I was just able to keep saying like, OK, but what if I want to add my TV? And then Cole was like, this app can't be on TV. And I was like, try harder, Cole. OK, that's not an infertility. And so, Call is like his whole personality is like the- developer that could, I'm like no in the unacceptable answer. Like we got real work to do guys, save these kids souls, call. (laughing) And you gotta get me out of the AI slot. Yeah, and so, but you know what's interesting in your cloud lot can actually, if you really do, I'm only half joking, I really do talk to him in these kind of extreme ways, because just like a human employee, I think that if you imbue them with a bit of mission, they save that stuff to their soul, their kind of cloud bot soul.md, and he actually feels like it's important, like we gotta build this up for Jesse's kids, like this matter, you know? And we were able to get it across. When I first played and I actually played videos that were part of the theme I suggested, my mind was blown, I was like, I can't believe, that I, 'cause this was over the course of maybe four days, like four days of like pinging coal, being able to get this from about that, until I had, would I consider a usable app? My kids have watched this app in the evening for the like three or four nights so far, because I started tinkering with it about 10 days ago. Well, what I wanna call out for people too is, you have, I would say exponentially more children than I do, I have three and I have four, you have four, but every time you add one, it just like goes up into the right as they say. And so you are a busy lady, and you're probably not like, maybe you are like me, but you're not like me where I'm like just 17 terminals, open at all time, nothing to do, but like vibe code, my kids are off at school. Like you've got children on the floor doing number blocks, which I just think is so rad. And so you're doing this, probably like from your phone, at night, like in these edges, and coal the developer who could, is always there for to help you progress your way to it. How has that changed how you think about like getting work done or when you do things, or how you interact with your computer even? It's a fundamental shift. Like it's a fundamental shift. I used to, like if you, mehme, two or three months ago, basically just pre-claw, right? I would tell you that I had all the ambitions, like there's pre-claw and there's post-fot, that's all we have now. I would just just reset the 80's clock. If you mehme then, I would tell you that I had all these ideas and stuff, but I would say some kind of like whisper thing about how like I am and how I'm like, I'm just going to wait on this stuff, like you know, you never get that eight, I would say some cheesy thing. You never get the time to smoke it up, like I'm going to focus on that. But what, it's still true. Like I really do want to be present with my small kids, and we are homeschooling, which is like this crazy kind of adventure. And so I don't have very much time to say I'm a laptop at all per day, but now I would say I actually can do it all. Like day's good, my oath is back where I'm like, you know what? I can be present with my kids for like many hours per day. And I can be like off to the side doing some coding. Cole can go take 30 minutes and do a task for an hour, or I can take 30 minutes and I can leave him alone for a couple hours and just come back in my own leisure. And that's what's key about him not actually being a real person. It will be like after all the kids are about at 9 p.m. We're like for one more hour. I do like a sprint with Cole. And I'm like, okay, but can we get this live or whatever? And he's like, he's like, oh, I need another HCI key and we're like doing this work back and forth. But I can squeeze it into the small moment. So now, honestly, it's like a crazy unlock because I feel as though I could be as ambitious as I kind of care to be. And I can do the parent of small children and I'd feel present. That's insane. I mean, it did feel like a whole new to the universe. - Well, and that, I mean, you're gonna make me cry 'cause this really resonates with me. You know, I am like what seven and a half weeks goes part of. I've got the little bitty baby at home. And one of the things that I have appreciated is one voice to typing, voice to text. A lady can breastfeed and code at the same time. And this is a miracle upon miracles. And two, I'm really value being present with my kids too. And I actually don't wanna be sitting in front of a laptop all the time either. And so part of what I'm sensing, I'm a little early in my polyadventure. I just got her to be able to do all the little things that I want her to do. Is I'm sensing that we will allow me to walk away from my computer more, which is somebody who is very one with the tokens is quite healthy for me. And get those things done. And you're right. I think parents run alternate schedules. I run like a five to seven and then a middle of the day and then an evening schedule because we have to drop off the kids at school or pick them up or they have sports. And I do think, you know, people just don't appreciate how much it unlocks for folks that do have the same vision to really be there for their family and kids and also get all sorts of cool stuff done. And I feel the same like revolution in my relationship with time. - It's so fundamental. And obviously this will scale like, we're talking about the parenting use case but it applies to all humans, which are like, if like the more fundamental way I could put it is like, if an open clause using my computer, then I can walk away from my computer because I can just, yeah, you tear point, like make a voice note or something. And I can actually trust that there's things happening in my computer, which as a parent of a little baby is especially important because you actually literally can use your hands. Sometimes I think people aren't gonna have a baby. I really have a lack of understanding. I was like, I literally just can't use my hands. Like my hands are the problem. Like I can't use them because they're holding baby. And if I let her go or head is like, all floppy, and like, she's a floppy head, okay? That's where we're at. And so basically that is really fundamental but obviously it benefits all of humanity if they can kind of still get big tasks down in big projects but take a step back from their computer and like touch grass as we say. Like that helps everyone. I wanted, okay, so if you're a game, I wanna touch on another, like what are open clause limitations? And one of them is that it doesn't have a body, okay? So like I'm gonna say, just I'm gonna speak like, we're in a game. - And also the problem. It also doesn't have hands. What it can do, it doesn't need hands to operate a computer. Like think of it as like it lives in a computer. And I'm not just explaining this to you. I'm just anyone who's listening. Like it lives in the computer. So it can do anything that wanted to on the computer. Open files, you know, edit files, send things, use websites, okay, but you know what it can't do? It can't like clean my kids room. It can't sort my physical inventory and things like this. So I can't, I can't like change that. I think that maybe we could have a whole conversation about, you know, humanoid robotics or something. But for the near term, the best we have is open clause. And so what can we do to give it access or like help us in the physical world? One of the things I struggle with the most and this comes back to schooling. And I talk about homeschool, but I also, for anyone listening who's like, I don't homeschool my kids. Anything that I do as like a crazy homeschool mom is applicable to all parents because we all are teaching our kids all the time. So it's just think of it as like teaching kids and not just like you have to be a homeschooler. Okay, I'm sure all of us parents have invested in a bunch of stuff to like help our kids, like educational stuff. The biggest issue I have with all this stuff is like it just ends up sitting in cupboards. And I don't know when to pull it out. And so what I did because my, because I can't tell my open clause, hey, go and organize my cupboards and you know, make an inventory. So I had to do the slightly tedious task of actually taking these photos. And I took these photos and all the, like, things I can sort of be educational, that I own and I have a bunch of stuff. And I asked open clause to make this inventory. Now, I'll pause who I'm not scrolling too fast. Like, but basically here's what's crazy is like, all I sent my open clause was the photo. All of the text you see, "Modern, Story, Language, Materials, the Type, Age, Rames, 3 to 5, Description, would it, would it not for that tracing board?" That's all Sylvie writing that. She just took the photo context only. It should be very clear, no voice notes, nothing else. All I told her that I want to make an inventory of my learning supplies, here's the photos. And she wrote all of this. So not only is that insanely impressive, but then I asked her to relate the inventory they own to the lesson plans that I have already in the system. And so she's like, she's like deciding, oh, if you're doing the lesson plan, maybe you should pull out this material because it's related. So now we're getting to a galaxy brain moment for me at least. Because I know if I want to teach one of my children like something, I can tell Sylvie, hey, I mentioned doing this lesson plan or hey, I mentioned doing the next lesson that would help Quinn write better physically. Sylvie can not only just tell me, oh, here's a lesson idea, she can also say, also you own that tracing board. Can you pull it out of the cupboard? Like now, I feel like she's actually really helping me with my day-to-day life, is that make sense? 'Cause she's actually reaching kind of into my physical house and she knows what I own. I love this and you just gave me so many ideas 'cause I just hired a professional organizer right before the date. It came to just get my life in order. And every now and then, my husband's like, where are the batteries? Like where did you ladies stash the batteries? And I'm like, I could just go take pictures of all my closets. - Yes. - And then we know we can ask Polly or now I'm gonna like fracture off and get 'em, you've been a back dancer, you got me. And just be like, where are our batteries? Where do we clean from waffle maker? Like which cabinet is this stuff in? It's such a genius idea to take these photos and just organize, organize, organize and then apply it to the common problems in your life in yours is when do I use these toys? I'm also going to take a look at the rest of the video. pictures of my kids toy room and every time they say on board. And you're like, you have 3,000 toys. Go play with this one. Yeah, and books, so book inventory, so I've been taking pictures of the book inventory. And then I can also say something very general. Like, Hey, Sylvie Ford is really kind of ramping into his dinosaur era. Like, what do we have that I can pull out? It's already dinosaur oriented, because I don't remember that I bought this book. You know, it's like in a perfect world, we all have this in our memory. But what's a bummer is for Ford at age 4 to go through a huge dinosaur era, me to never pull out this book and then find it again when he's 6 and he could care less. That's kind of the world I feel like I'm living in. I'm always like, we discovering something that I own at the wrong time. And so that basically I feel like I could be done with that. Now, you know, she can just tell me, like, oh, 4 Julian dinosaurs, you own 7 different dinosaur things, like pull that all out, put it on his shelf. And so I still have to do it, but I don't do the thinking part. And I think that is really key. I am also doing this as relates to, so Sylvie is the homeschool one and that's kind of like we're going obsessive right now, because some of the use cases are like so fun. Actually, before I move on, we have to talk about printing. I don't know why. I'm so obsessed with this, but Sylvie can press print on my printer. Okay, my regular printer. All right. Like I made a post about 3D printing and I kind of went viral, but that's what I want to say. I'm talking about my printer, just my regular printer. Okay. Sylvie can press print on it and it's some for some reason it's a game changer. And back to like everyone is going to be like, what is wrong with this lady? Why can't she just like do control P? And I'm like, why don't have hands? Remember? No hands. Yeah. So, but I can be walking around my phone and Sylvie can generate a beautiful material or something or I can take a photo of something. I could get like, if I want to do a worksheet with my kids and it's like buried in a book, I could literally take a photo and then just say, Sylvie, print this. And boom, I have a worksheet to like give to the kid right back my 30 seconds later. It's about the time line, right? Like, it's like 30 seconds later, I'm holding it. That blows my mind. So I'm trying to give her these like little moments to actually affect my real physical life because if the worksheet is stuck in the book and I don't want the kid to actually draw in the book, then I'm like, in my old world, I'd be like scanning and then uploading, emailing it to myself. Then it's like, oh, G drive says this file is too big. Like, it's like, I'm like losing my mind, you know? Whereas now I can just take a photo and be like, Sylvie, print this. That like friction or reduction of friction makes a big difference in like my day to day life. And this is how I know we are doing a very parent oriented, parent oriented, how I AI because people always ask me why I have a printer and I'm like, I have kids dude. We are printing non stop in this family. And you also gave me an idea and I guess I'm going to jump into how I lightening round questions because we're hitting the top of the hour. Are the kids ever going to get an agent? I'm going to, if I had to go guess or now fast, lightening round, I would say yes. I know there's so many caveats and so, so I actually just won't bluster that much and like be like, but this and the answer is yes. But also, if you can grok my persona, you can understand that there's going to be a lot of ways that I customize that. Yeah. You've given me an idea. I think I want to buy one. I want to make my version of Sylvie. My kids are a little, my older kids are a little older and they're like really into math and really into sports math. I'm like, imagine if they could go ask any question and print a worksheet or find one of the books that they read about batting averages or something. That's a game changer. Okay. And then they can also then we can have our version of Sylvie remind them to practice their piano and do their homework in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, the question which I usually ask, which is when you're frustrated with the agents, how do you talk to them? And I am also polite for the reasons that you'd say. But have you found any other tricks, any other pulled from the manager kind of pack tricks about working with this many agents or working with your agents one at one? The trick, I would say the deepest level trick I'm doing is the collaboration, or like using obsidian, like in conjunction with my agent because there's additional files of memory information that I have built into obsidian that don't run natively from the users don't get with open cloth. Yeah. An example to make it clear is something that multiple people are doing that's like decisions. So I will speak, so I'm like a human. You're not trying to use magic words with a human, but I will sometimes say that the huge agent knows I have a decisions file of like final decisions that Jesse's made, like don't reverse back and ask her again about this. And so I will, that like sometimes say a declarative and then I'll say that's a decision. So I wouldn't like say it that way to a human because I would be like a little weird, but I'll talk to my open claw in a way that is where I'm aware of their structure. Or if they're persona, I feel like I want to change, I'll say update your soul and defile. So, obviously I wouldn't say that to a person. So I think there's a awareness that it's an agent and I can actually mold their identity more than I can human. And I'll talk to them about where to update themselves. If I have a specific thing, that's the thing that's the most different that I do that would be different, by the way. I think this is a skill that people need to think about as they think about working with agents more and more is I call them these like incantations is most agents have like incantations of tools. You know the magic spell and it's usually like a keyword like decision in chat here. DM like if you say right or you say edit, you're going to get a very specific behavior out of your agent. And then what I like is you're taking it this next step and codifying those incantations into your system so that you know how to work with it. My last question, lightning round, is do you manually edit the soul? Do you go in and open the soul? I have an open. Again, I've got a hands problem. Sometimes I'm confused about why it's behaving so weird. I'm like okay, send me your soul file. I'm like let's look at this thing. I have asked to see it directly because I'm like on my phone. I'm not even on the Mac mini or like whatever. I also either backing up its files to obsidian those I actually could click in and see. Rarely do I ever click in and truly look. I ask it to diagnose itself more. I say you're acting this way. Is this from your soul file? Can you make an edit and like have it? I go through like a suggested edits with it. But rarely am I actually going into it and editing myself. I always let I basically always let it. I'm kind of like you and yourself like you know take your time but also don't method else. I love this. Okay, I got a recapped off to bottom. We saw your obsidian second brain or brains. We saw your stack of Mac minis. There are many many clawed, clawed bots, open claws, you claws. We talked about how you're using a lot of like photo to structure data which I think is a really great workflow. We showed how you can use a coding agent to code something really bespoke and even get it on a TV. We talked about that no one has hands. So we all agents and humans, moms alike at least, no hand problems. And then you talked about the killer use case of all this AGI which is being able to print from a voice note. That's it. That's all of it. Jesse, where can we find you and how can we be helpful to you? Let's speak. You can find me Jesse, Janay on X. Janay is G-E-N-E-T. And honestly helpful is also other people trying the stuff, especially as it relates to any of these topics, kids, education, parenting and sharing. I think a lot of people are maybe nervous to share. They feel like they're not important. If there's anything about my story and I was talking now, it's that you don't need to feel that way. I was like no one was viewing me as some kind of like influencer in this space until I was just like you guys. I'm printing on my printer. So just really like don't have fear about being embarrassed or something about sharing. The more you share this murder we all get, even if you're just running into roadblocks, I would just be my, that's almost my ass. It's not advice. Because the more you share, the more we're like all going to get better at it faster. That is the how I AI mission statement. So I love it. Jesse, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. I'll let you get back to your, to your clause. Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for watching. If you enjoyed this show, please like and subscribe here on YouTube or even better leave us a comment with your thoughts. You can also find this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favorite podcast app. Please consider leaving us a rating and review, which will help others find the show. You can see all our episodes and learn more about the show at howiipod.com. See you next time.