#496 Maggie Freleng with William Beeman

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What a mistake that was. To find out what happened, listen to the okay story time podcast on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Munga Shategeler and I'm back with a new season of my podcast Skyline Drive. This time I talked to scientists, biopunks, chermudgins, blues owners, super seniors and go us top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make you look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, you have a call at no expense to you from 50 demons and inmate at. What did he call himself? You may begin speaking now. Hello. Hello. How you doing? I'm good. Is this William? Yes. Okay. What do you like to be called? Do you like to be called will or William? Most people call me Drifty. Drifty. Bill got the nickname Drifty because his mind tends to wander and he's a Louvre. Bill was kind of a loner. This is his mom Donna. He was off in the corner by stop reading or watching television. I just don't like crowds. Crowds? Even people I like don't like crowds. Especially in prison. I come in when I was 23. I'm what's 67 now. Do you realize what happened day to day in a place like this? And I just, you wouldn't believe so and stuff like this. So he sticks to himself and the name Drifty stopped to him. Like this one time in the prison yard, two guys started getting into it. They get dark in and down the old fort. I used to watch his two red tell fox. So, while they were arguing, this is all. There he goes, drifting off again. Drifty Beaman. But he also says I can call him Bill. I'm William Beaman. I've been incarcerated for 44 years for something I didn't do. And I hope some good comes to this. Not only for me but for others. From Lava for Good, this is wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling. Today William Beaman. William Beaman was born April 22nd, 1957 in Muscatine, Iowa. What was life like growing up in Iowa? It was great. Mustini, that rule. I mean, they know big city, but we had a lot of industry and stuff around. Hines, just, our just metal factory was in Muscatine. Band eggs, head corners. We had three factories of them. And many, many other factories. Once known as the Pearl button capital of the world in the early 1900s before most buttons were made of plastic, Muscatine's button factories employed half of the city's workforce. The city was the world's largest producer of Pearl buttons. Muscatine was a blue collar town and so was Bill's family. Here's Bill's mom, Donna again. I was a checkout at Heidi and I also managed the music department at Woolworth's. She was also a mom to two other kids. Two girls and a boy. Bill is in the middle. There is four years older than I am. She is mom's first parent and my little sister is here younger. And we were together all the time in Theresa. Theresa and Bill were like two pieces of pod where you seen one, you seen the other. Bill and his little sister Theresa did everything together. Every now and then I'd add dolls with her so that she'd play army with me. I taught both of them how to fight. I was one against two. I got a little star fight back. They had to learn how to fight. So it kind of hurt his touch to the girls kept on him. But I think it was because he was a boy. What would they do? Just to tell the tale stuff. Bill's doing this. Bill's doing that which wasn't he wasn't doing anything really. I was two against one. One time I got accused of shooting out of woman's, neighbor woman's window with my beef again. I was the only guy on the blocks that had a beef again. I had to pay for the window. I had to help fix the mode and be killed. It's known along for a year. I've been here four or five years and found out Terry's. I was just a little bit more than I was. at a local night spot called Bakers Front Street Disco. What kind of music are you playing? Disco. Disco. So, you know, what without a bin like in 1978 or were the heads? Well, it depends on the real disco. It's always, you had to be G's. Michael Jackson had more than people thought. Then he had pointer sisters and, you know, it's been a long time. You might be wondering what a guy who hates crowds was doing as a DJ. Well, Bill says that the DJ booth was on the second floor. There was only room for him and a few chairs. So there wasn't a bunch of people coming up there and standing real. So I wasn't in a crowd some stuff. And Bill loved it. He was part of the fun but far away enough to feel safe. I could look out over the dance floor and everything, see him, they're having a good time. And I knew they were doing it because of me. And that's what being a DJ meant to me. Bill had the life. As DJ at night, I built a remodel houses during the day. I really liked that. One night in April 1980, 23 year old Bill Beeman was in his DJ booth. People would use all kinds of different reasons to come talk to me up and move. I think that's first place I heard about it. About the body of a young woman found in the campground of Wildcat Den State Park. She was naked and had been beaten and stabbed 17 times. Whispers of the crime were making their way around town. Everybody was talking about it. Mom and dad was talking about it. The body turned out to be 22 year old Michelle Winkle. Police said she had last been seen on Monday, April 21, 1980 at the Canterbury Inn and Spa, a hotel she would go and swim at after work. Michelle Winkle allegedly spent a lot of time alone. She didn't seem to have a lot of close friends or relatives. Erica Nichols' cook is the director of the wrongful conviction unit at the Iowa Public Defenders Office. She says Michelle also spent a lot of time at the mall. She was also known as the "cryr" by a group of girls who worked at the mall. That's so mean. Because she'd walk around the mall crying. Erica says Michelle had a troubled life. She had experienced a lot of mental instability. She had been treated for psychiatric issues in '78, '79 at the University of Iowa. She had recently moved back home with her parents who were devout Catholics. And Erica says Michelle's father could be abusive. Comments about her being overweight. There was comments that she wouldn't wear red because her dad said only sluts were red. That he called her "piggy" those types of things. So kind of a sad life that sounds like? Yes. I think much more so than the state portrayed at the trial. She'd had some struggles. We also learned that she liked to hitchhike. Michelle had recently been in a car accident and her dad wouldn't let her drive the family car anymore. Despite living on a state highway, she had to walk everywhere. So she would walk along this state highway and catch her ride into town or catch her ride back out. She was last seen that Monday around 10.45 pm, leaving the spa and getting into a brown car with a white man. Five days later, her body was found. One of the sticking points in this investigation was that they didn't have any immediate leads of who Michelle was with or who she could have been hanging out with or gotten her ride from. Michelle's evaluated her body for sexual assaults and collected semen and blood samples. But in 1980, forensic testing was in its infancy. The most law enforcement could determine from a sample was blood type and their tests found specimens from an unknown male. And someone told investigators that she used to go to Baker's Front Street Disco and that they had seen her there. This thought maybe she got a ride to the disco after swimming. More than a week after the body was found, police brought him Bill for questioning. Bill says he was laid up and on painkillers because he'd broken his foot on his birthday about two weeks earlier. He also had a migraine. I've had migraine headaches since I was a little kid. My dumbass didn't know I couldn't make the painkiller from my migraines with the painkiller from our broken foot. And on top of that, he was now in a police station being asked about Michelle. Yeah, I didn't know it at all. But police let him go home. His girlfriend is then questioned. His girlfriend Joyce. And she says, well, he was staying with me that week of his birthday and after he broke his foot. Her memory was blurry. And she says, I don't know for sure about Monday night if he was stayed at my house or went to his apartment. Bill had accompanied Joyce to the police station that day on May 8th and police brought him back in to question him again about what had happened Monday night. And during that interrogation, they tell Bill that we know that you know something. Everything you picked her up and killed her Monday night. They must have realized I was on drugs or whatever and decided I'd done it. They also knew Bill had a reputation. I've never been addicted to anything other than motorcycles. And maybe girls. Bill had a reputation with girls. I was the DJ in a club. I had three motorcycles. I had a $52 hard top. I had a blue van and a $68 bus came and a fan told him. And they made a joke about it. The day after I got arrested, nine girls come down. Family were engaged. They needed to talk to me. I thought I was a butthole all the time. He might have been a butthole, but Bill says he wasn't a killer. And he had an alibi for Monday night. I stopped at Clark Gas Station. It was not far from where I lived. Talked to a girl about my birthday party next day. I got home. Joyce was here. But detectives weren't buying it. They were pointing the finger at Bill in the interrogation room. And Bill says his mind was cloudy from the meds and from fear. They both had to guns out, wipe them off of handkerchiefs. And I was thinking this one looked good. And I was starting to feel kind of happy, I guess. And they kept saying, well, what if we had somebody that's seeing it? I said, they're lying because I didn't do it. I was confused because I knew I didn't do it. So how can they have this evidence? How can they have these witnesses? The interrogation wasn't recorded and Bill didn't have a lawyer present. And the next thing he knows, he's in a holding cell. I just thought they got me food like a drunken disorder or something like that. And cops start laughing. It's not a boy so they got you in here from murder. This is called Donna to the station. He didn't even know where he was at or what he was doing in there. When I walked in, I said, Bill, I said, what is going on? And he said, Mom, I don't know. He said, they took my picture and took my wallet and my shoe strings. According to police, Bill signed a confession. Do you remember signing anything? Like do you remember having anything in front of you? I remember riding. I remember going in there and they kept harping on this bad witness. They had evidence. They were cleaning their guns. They were doing this. My mind was on code. But there was the statement signed by Bill saying he picked up Michelle that night, took her to the park where they made out. And after she refused to have sex with him, he kicked her in the head with a steel tow boot. By the time the sexual assault kit came back, it didn't matter that the samples didn't match Bill. Law enforcement had what they needed. A confession. Bill was arrested that day on May 8th for the murder of Michelle Winkle. Donna was frantic trying to help Bill and pay a $250,000 bond. They said that we could have gotten out of bond by putting my house up for, you know, lateral and dick would do it. Bill's dad. He said no. And I tried to sell my coin collection and different things, but it wasn't enough money. Wow. How much money did you get for the coins? Well, I only got $500, and I should have got about $2,000. That I had to pay-- lawyers had to pay somebody. They got caught appointed, but there was somebody they had to pay. So I had to sell it and give them the money. And I was on disability, and I didn't get much money. At that time, I think I was only getting $92 a month. And I tried to save my money, and I hired a private detective. But that didn't go any place. And I couldn't keep him, because I couldn't afford it. Bill was actually offered a plea before trial. Second-degree plea bargain. Well, second-degree event was only 25 years. And me, mom, dad, and lawyers got talked about it. And I didn't do it. I believed in system. It was ever all. 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Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My husband is currently on vacation with his mistress, and I'm confronting them. Tell me, Sophia, how did she even catch them? One Amazon shopping receipt. He accidentally sent her a photo of the kid's Christmas gifts with a delivery to another woman at the bottom. He exposed himself? That's a rookie move. Couples massages, monogrammed bath robes, and lingerie he met motor for. So she spent four weeks gathering evidence and taped a 10 page letter inside his luggage before he flew out. In his luggage, she came to play. And the second he landed, he blocked her. So she called the hotel room directly and got the mistress on the phone. Ooh, she got the mistress live on the phone. That is a bold move. Let's see if it pays off. That it gets worse. He took the mistress on the Bahamas honeymoon trip. He had planned with his wife. And then the mistress tagged him on Facebook, outing the fare to her entire family. That's like a whole public confession. And spoiler two years later, karma hit some solo hardies calling his ex-wife, in tears, saying about the mistress, what a mistake that was. To find out what happened, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHAR radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, it's the Jonas Brothers. This week on the podcast, hey, Jonas, we're so excited to be hanging out with Mika Abdullah from the hit show Off Campus. Congratulations on the massive show and massive success. Got through about episode five. I left this morning to go meet the guys. Came back was a coolest pickup where we left off. And that series have been completed without me. Oh, no. That's like the number one rule of watching some-- It's literally cheating, right? That's crazy. We talk about what it's been like watching the show become a such a massive hit, what's next for season two, and just how close the Off Campus cast really is. We're genuinely so close. What's the group chat called? If you can say, if it's allowed to be set on the on-pot, it's a great question. One of them is Off Campus Brazil. OK. Shout out Brazil. Shout out Brazil. And then the boys have their own group chat called Steve's-- [BEEP] Our conversation with Mika Abdullah is out now. Go check it out. Listen to Hey Jonas in the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Bill went to trial in October just short of five months after his arrest. The state's theory was that Bill picks her up close to the spa, but not from the spa at a gas station, and offers to give her a right home. And they decided to drive around, and they end up at the park. They start making out, and then the failed sexual encounter. But that he killed her on Monday the 21st. A pathologist testified that Michelle's body was infested with maggots, placing the time of death around three to 14 days before her body was found on Saturday. But she was last seen five days prior, on Monday the 21st. Remember, Bill had broken his foot on Tuesday the 22nd, and the lead investigator conceded that Bill had an alibi for all the days between Tuesday and Saturday when Michelle's body was found. So law enforcement determined that if Bill killed her, it had to have been on Monday. But the evidence to back that up had holes. The only thing they had against me was this tape. No way out by a stench, you know, the said, well, we know he's done it because we've seen it. Or no, we know he's done it because this evidence backs it up. All their evidence counter-dicted the statement. Michelle was seen getting into a brown car. Bill's defense said he used a motorcycle to get around because his car didn't run well. The defense also presented three alibi witnesses for the evening of April 21st, who testified to seeing Bill between 10.30 and midnight when the crime had supposedly occurred. But most surprising of all was that a witness testified at trial that she'd seen Michelle alive after the 21st. A high school peer of Michelle's testified, she had seen her at the mall on April 22nd, the day after she was supposedly killed, with a man who was not Bill. At trial, Bill's defense also contended he had signed the alleged confession out of fear and confusion. Still, after deliberating for five and a half hours, the jury found Bill guilty of first degree murder on October 8, 1980. Donna sat through the whole trial. It was terrible. I really can't explain it. I have believed Bill right from the start. Bill just couldn't do that to anybody. I don't know a lot of crime. God took me through the Valley of Death. You know, I stopped my tone, I stopped. And I'm still in the Valley of Death for a long time. Used to being alone, safe up in his DJ booth, far away from everyone, Bill was surrounded in prison. When I got down with Fort Madison, it was like they were throwing a gop into the shark tank. Bill says he had to fight to survive. I turned out to be a wolf. And he was angry, resentful about what happened to him and his family. And he took it out on anyone who crossed him. I had that rage. Somebody couldn't say something stupid. I'd go off on them. After decades, the rage turned into loneliness. And people on the outside fell off. Girlfriends, friends. Family. Everybody did. Even Teresa. Now, after a while, she just kind of fell off, too. Everyone except Donna. People don't have that much to do with somebody in prison. You know, they can't even forget them. But Donna never forgot about her only son. I feel terrible. I told Bill just this morning, I wish I could do more. I wish there was something I could do. And he said, Mom, you done it when you were younger. I gave him money as when I could and done everything I could for him. For more than four decades, they've stayed in constant contact through phone and visitation. What is that like going to visit your son in prison? After 44 years, you get used to it. But I don't like it. I want him home. Do you worry that maybe you're getting older and you might not see him come home? Yes, I do. My 92. And I have several things that matter. My voice, as you can tell, I have COPD, which kind of gets worse all the time. And I have me out at the end of my legs. And of course, the usual arthritis and everything. And I just want him home. I'd like to know I have a son for a while. I just sometimes feel like I've never had a son. And then there's times I feel like I've had him. And he's just gone for a while. But I don't sleep. If you just had a key where you could shut off your mind, but you can't do that. However, when Erica came across Bill's case, Donna was able to sleep a bit easier. When Erica's office was first started, she was given a specific assignment from higher-ups. Get a DNA examination. Iowa had never had one. So she was on the hunt. And Bill's case appeared to have evidence from which her team could potentially recover DNA. We had a chance to, you know, submit that all for testing if it could be found. And that kind of started our quest, I guess. A quest that gave Donna renewed hope. Oh, Erica's a doll. I tell you, she's a miracle. She was found out stuff that we didn't even know. Erica started with the basics. What would have been Bill's motive to kill Michelle? The most fascinating part was that there was no connection between him and the victim. They weren't, they hadn't dated. They didn't go school together. They hadn't been seen together. But Michelle had been seen with an unidentified man in a brown car from the beginning. Were there any better suspects that should have been looked into? Yes. We found a handwritten suspect matrix from the, in the DCI file. That is something you could only hope to find. Sounds great. And we'd read a little bit about the fact that she had gone out with a guy or told someone that she had a date with a Larry dance. Erica found that Larry dance had gone out with Michelle about a month before she disappeared. He told investigators that he'd picked her up from the spa. They'd gone back to his house. They were messing around. They got naked and got into his bed. And then she changed her mind and didn't want to have sex. And so they went to sleep. And he took her to her friend, to a mutual friend's house the next morning and dropped her off there. And to me, the similarities between his story and the confession, quote unquote, were so eerily similar. And Dan's didn't have an alibi for the night of the 21st. But he was cleared after a polygraph and the lead DCI investigator, Rick Sywasink, his brother Jeff vouched for Larry Dance and said he's a good guy I play softball with. But the most alarming was that law enforcement had her dad, Francis Winkle, as a suspect on their list. Remember, Michelle had a troubled home life, which was evident to Erica by the fact that no one had reported her missing. I can't imagine if my family saw me on Monday and didn't hear for me. When my body was found unsired, that they still hadn't raised an alarm. Wow. Michelle never came home. And the brothers also had a really callous attitude towards her. Things like she'd be in a problem child used to run away. And then none of the family members testify at trial. They actually call the brother Mark's girlfriend, now wife, Diana, to say the last time that she saw her at the house was that Monday afternoon. She wanted to ride into town so she could go to the bank before going to work and her brother refused to take her. So she left on foot. What did all this information tell you? That the investigation, you know, that it had all of the features of a wrongful conviction that investigators focused on the player, right? The DJ, the guy that had multiple girlfriends, they ignored all these other legit, credible alibis or motives for murdering her. We knew there was just, there had to be more to the story. Erica and her team discovered a list of people who said they saw Michelle alive after the 21st. The only day the state concedes Bill could have killed Michelle. It wasn't just the schoolmate who testified at trial that she'd seen Michelle at the mall Tuesday. People saw her alive up through Thursday. This list was never disclosed to the defense. Erica filed this as a Brady violation with holding exculpatory evidence from the defense. Then she turned to the crime scene. The pathologist testified she was heavily infested with maggots. And she's not when you look at the crime scene photos. An entomologist that we hired said that the best, in her opinion, the best estimate was that Michelle died Wednesday night, the 23rd. And that she did not die on Monday. But the bugs that were there, the maggots and the temperatures, that there's no way she died on Monday and looked like that on Saturday. And again, everyone agrees Bill could not have killed Michelle after Monday the 21st. So Erica also filed an actual innocence claim, but she had to explain. If Bill was actually innocent, why did he confess? She says to start calling the statement a confession is a stretch. It's a one page statement and he never admits or remembers killing her. It's a I must have done it, but I don't remember it. And so it raises all of these red flags about whether it's reliable and what coercion was happening in that room and how vulnerable was he? In terms of the evidence that brought Erica to Bill's case in the first place. We were denied DNA testing because the state kept saying the evidence was gone. They don't have it. They can't find it. The sexual assault kit, the one thing that could help prove Bill's innocence. We could find everything, but the physical evidence. So Erica also filed a youngblood claim. Youngblood versus Arizona, which is a due process violation for destruction of evidence. And so we just had a trial on that in June in the court ruled and denied that claim and said that while the sexual assault kit has been destroyed, it wasn't done in bad faith. A couple of big things the court missed was that the victims clothing is still unaccounted for. It was never released. It was never on an order to be released. It was there. They collected it. They had it. So you just don't know where it is? Like do you think I was destroyed? I think it was destroyed. I think it should have been with the sexual assault kit. And it should have been in the sheriff's office. And remember agent Ceywazink, whose brother vouched for Larry Danse? He's the last one to have known to have had the sexual assault kit or any physical evidence. He picked it all up from the lab here in Des Moines and was supposed to drive it back to Muscatine a couple hours away. But he doesn't file a report. He doesn't sign a chain of custody document. He doesn't do anything. Hey, I'm Hota Kotby, host of the podcast Joy 101 with Hota Kotby. Okay, if you know me, you know this. I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my mother through breast cancer. Listen to Joy 101 with Hota Kotby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My husband is currently on vacation with his mistress and I'm confronting them. He exposed himself? Couples massages, monogrammed bath robes, and lingerie, he met motor for her. She got the mistress live on the phone. That is a bold move. That gets worse. And that in the mistress tagged him on Facebook, outing the hotel room. the fair to her entire family. - That's like a whole public confession. - And spoiler two years later, karma hit some so hardies calling his ex-wife into your saying about the mistress. To find out what happened, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHR Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. - Hey everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers. If you haven't heard, Arnie Podcast is called, "Hey Jonas." - And this week we're hanging out with someone where really big fans are. - Millie, Bobby Brown. - That's right, 11 herself. - We talk about her new movie in all of Holmes 3, Family Life, and all the amazing things she has going on right now. - This is blue in my mind when I saw this, Millie, Bobby Brown. You have over 60 animals. First of all, how do you even keep track of everybody? And second, do you have favorites? Who are they and why? - Yeah, I need to know about this. - OK, I don't know where the number 60, and I really got to figure that out. And I could actually have over 60. I just need to really know that number. There have been plenty of sheep in my bed, and yeah, in the bed, literally sleeping in the bed, yeah. - Plus we find out what she really feels about stranger things, and five seasons, almost 10 years of your life. - I could have never have guessed it. I started when I was 10 years old. - Our conversation with Millie, Bobby Brown is out now. - Go check it out. - Listen to "Hey Jonas" on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. - All of the claims Erica Fild have been denied. She's amending them and refiling. If we lose these claims in Iowa, I think next stop is federal court. - Erica says that Iowa is a hard place to litigate post-conviction cases. - There's no skepticism, and everybody knows everybody. And it's, oh, I know him. He's a great guy. He's done lots of murder cases. To me, it's a hard place to be because I'm the outsider. I'm a threat. The work is a threat because they're so nice. They don't get anything wrong. - Do you get any community backlash? - Yeah, I think there is a unwillingness to work with us. - And through all this, Bill sits in prison year after year. - Every time we turn around, we prove I didn't do it. And nobody seems to give it shit. There's no justice in Iowa. There's no way you can convince me. I don't care what they do. Convict me, there'll ever be justice in Iowa. Or the courts. I mean, if you can put somebody in prison, you better be damn sure, especially with a death sentence, which is a life sentence in Iowa. You should be sure, you should be on the shadow of a doubt. Well, I got a cave darkness. - One minute remaining. - I had a dream last night that there was home. - Were there any specifics in your dream? - I just dreamed that we could work again. And we just kinda, I was explaining to him what things were. 'Cause Bill, no computers, no phones, no, a lot of things. And this town has changed so much. Since, in fact, it's changed so much that I see these things whenever this lady takes me to the doctor or out of town, that I don't know is there. - Yeah, and that was the main thing. And I was so tickled, I just looked at him out of my sight. And I took him to McDonald's because that's the first place he's gonna go. And that is gonna be a pizza. - Every now and then, Donna lets herself believe that dream of having Bill home will become a reality. - Oh, I'm gonna love it. I don't know if I'm gonna be here that long, but I'm gonna love every minute of it. - Bill was recently moved to another prison and he's been having a hard time adjusting. He says this new prison is rough. It's also hard holding onto hope. He has yet another petition pending in court, but. - It's gonna take probably a year. - I asked Bill if he thinks his mom has a year left. - No. No, I'm afraid she don't. - What does it mean to you to have had her all these years? - This is Mama. That's where Mama is. - Bill says if his mom has gone, there's only one other thing he'd want. - We left the hell alone. - And get a motorcycle. I want to have a woman on the back. I want to be going down the road, reach down and lay my hand on her thigh, that's laying next to me, to her being on the back of the bike. And I'll know I'm home. - If you want to help Bill, you can contact the Muscatine Iowa County Attorney, Jim Berry. (bells chiming) - Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freelink. Please support your local Innocence organizations and go to the links in the episode description to see how you can help. This episode was written by me, Maggie Freelink, with story editing and sound design by senior producer Rebecca Ibarra. Our producer is Kathleen Fink. Our mixer is Josh Allen, with research by Donald Salzman and additional production help by Jeff Clyburn. Executive producers are Jason Flom, Jeff Kempler, and Kevin Wartus. The music is by three-time Oscar-nominated composer, J. Ralf. Make sure to follow us on all social media platforms at Lava For Good and at Wrongful Conviction. You can also follow me on all platforms at Maggie Freelink. Wrongful Conviction with Maggie Freelink is a production of Lava For Good podcasts in association, Signal Company, number one. Joy is essential and it's also elusive, but now. There's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence. Joy 101. It's a new podcast hosted by me, Hota Kotby. If you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy, tune into these candid, uplifting, and moving on air chats. Open your free iHeartRadio App Search, Joy 101, and listen now. My husband is a despot reserved with his mistress right now, and I'm calling the hotel to confront them both. Wait a minute to go to it. She's calling the hotel while they're checked in together. And it gets worse. It's vacate the vacation week on the O.K. Storytime podcast, where she caught him buying gifts on Amazon and then taped the 10-page letter inside his luggage before he flew out. And spoiler, Sophia, two years later, karma hits so hard he's calling his ex-wife, in tears, saying about his mistress. To find out what happened, listen to the O.K. Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Munga Shategeler, and I'm back with a new season of my podcast Skyline Drive. This time I talked to scientists, biopunks, cormugins, blues owners, super seniors, and go as top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever, and what it means for all of us. That doesn't work. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, how to live forever on the iHeartRadio App, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.