#467 Jason Flom with Jerome Curry

It was the summer of 1996 in Upper Manhattan, while the violence of the crack epidemic continued to rage. On July 15th, a man survived a gunshot on 159th Street. On August 30th, another man wasn't as lucky as a bus stop on 145th. On September 20th, gunshots erupted on 158th Street and police chased down a white sedan that had sped away from the scene with two young men inside. Pedro Guzmán and Jerome Curry. Detectives told them that they'd found a gun in their wake and eventually Guzmán named Jerome and their friend Miguel Enriquez, saying that the gun was used in the August 30th murder as well. Over a day later Jerome said the same thing, additionally admitting to the July 15 shooting. Either those detectives hit the jackpot or this is wrongful conviction. Wrongful conviction has always given voice to innocent people in prison and now we're expanding that voice to you. 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It's great to be back on. So Jerome, take us back to before all of this horrible stuff happened. I was born into the Dominican Republic. I spent some years out there. I grew up in between two different family structures, social structures like all my father's side, all of his children, and everybody else in the family, they were all graduates from college and university, they were professionals. So like a middle class sort of family. And on my mother's side, basically no one had graduated from college or some people don't even read and write. So it was a very poor family and a very rough neighborhood. I kind of grew up there that more than when my father used to like it, their more because I had cousins. In the late 70s, my mother met an American doctor. They married and he brought her over to the United States. And about a year later, I came over to Trenton, New Jersey. It was rough. I didn't know English and I'm bar skinned, so I experienced bullying and abuse by other kids, but I ended up getting a good education, graduating. And I moved over to New York. Jerome first moved to 150 nights free in Washington Heights, an area that was deep in the throes of the crack epidemic. But then soon Jerome found a safer place in the Bronx where he met his co-defendants Miguel Enriquez and unfortunately, the guy who sold him down the river. Pedro Guzman. I just really met the guy around the time that we both got arrested. Enriquez introduced me to him. He worked for the super of the same building where I lived and he kind of gravitated towards me. So we started hanging out together. I used to smoke and we smoked weed. But I never really knew much about the guy. We all had moved to the Bronx around that time because Washington Heights, the office of West Side of Manhattan was very, very different man. There was moving out of different speed. It was huge drug enterprise. So everybody in the business, everybody was involved in something. Even the people that were not coming in crimes were right there in the middle of everything. Crack epidemic era up in Manhattan was rife with violence, but that doesn't excuse how our civil rights were regularly trampled to clear sometimes multiple open cases. If you recall what happened to Rafi Martinez, which we're going to link that incredible story in the episode description, he became the scapegoat for drug trafficking in the West 157th Street and three violent crimes. And this case bears some resemblance as the police were willing to once again use fall statements to clear July 15th assault with a deadly weapon in August 30th murder and an attempted murder on September 20th. And in this story, we have a known repeat offender with whom Justin has had some contact detective B.A. Delione. Elpedio B.A. Delione. They cleared the books. That's what they did back then. I mean B.A. told me that about Rafi. Even now in modern times is when they think they can throw everything on a guy, that's what they're going to do. It's a funny thing is B.A. He's in the Jibar Walker case. Jibar Walker was exonerated November 27th, 2023. The Innocence Project from everyone that I've spoken with have stated that the net case there was fabricating and manufacturing evidence from B.A. Delione. And we also know about Delione that he was found in 1990 to have used force against a witness in another case in order to get a statement. I could tell you that it almost never happens 30 years ago that the civilian complaint review board and the NYPD internally substantiate a use of force allegation. And that's before we get the Jibar Walker case, which took place around the same time as carries. So it's kind of like a clear the books type of situation with the drone. The July attempted murder and then the September 20th attempted murder were both in the 33rd precinct and then the murder of regional buyers is in the 30th precinct. So this is what brings Delione in. So you get these statements that are obviously fabricated and manufactured not only because they're identical, but also because they are demonstrably false. Okay, but the other detectives he was the more senior detective it appears and he was the one that took the lead driving the investigation with regard to the other cases. So let's start with the assault of regional Frazier on July 15 of 1996. According to the latest night around 10 o'clock, he says that it was a male black 18 to 20 years of age. They had a argument walking down the street from the middle of the block to the corner of 159 street in Broadway and that the argument got a little heated and the male black without a gun on him. A shot on a butter when he tried to flee away from the regional Frazier. He's African American. So he would know for a fat whether he's talking to an African American or Latino. There was a dark skin. He definitely would have been able to distinguish that now Jerome was five seven with dark skin and the thick Dominican accent. In fact, my English back then my accent was a little stronger now. I've gotten better to education and study and read in and you know improve them off an association, but it was definitely allowed stronger back there. So he would have known the distinction immediately. Nevertheless, regional Frazier initially reported a young black male as is a sale not an Hispanic male. But eventually Frazier identified Jerome and changed his story to say that an Hispanic male was his a sale and we'll get into the suggestive nature of his idea as well as Frazier's predicament later on. But first back to July 15th 1996 detectives from the 33rd precinct had no leads. And then in the 33th precinct on August 30th, 1996, there was a murder of regional Myers. Got two Regis in this case, a Reggie Frazier and a Reggie Myers. Myers is the deceased Frazier is alive. My focus has been on the Myers case because you got to take one case at a time. If you don't, you're going to confuse a judge. I think you got to focus on Myers first because there is a landslide worth of evidence forensic medical one of the people that was in the car has come forward with an affidavit. Detailing who the killer was and that it wasn't Jerome and he wasn't there. During this time, I was visiting Trent and New Jersey with my girlfriend. Is it in my mother's house? I was out there with friends. I spent some time out there. Many years later, Jerome's co-defendant Miguel and Regas made it clear that he committed this crime with Pedro Guzman and another man. Yes, he mentioned a Markles and then he nicknamed him Boas. This was the guy that was supposed to have fire the shot on the night of the murder. From my investigation, Henrique's Guzman and a man named Mark or La Boa are looking for someone to rob. This is the west side of Harlem. And there was a lot of people running around with, I guess, a lot of weight in drugs. So, you know, guys would drive around you. It's stick up kids. And on a hundred and forty fifth street. Henrique's Guzman. and the laboa. They see this man who happens to be Reginald Myers with a bag in his hand. They think that he has drugs in the bag. Turns out that he just got some like a gatorade and like a snapple or something like that. And Henriquez gets out of the car, grabs the bag, Myers chases Henriquez back to the car and a gunshot goes up. EMS arrived around 9 p.m. and Myers was pronounced dead at the hospital. Detective Delion arrived around 9 p.m. and according to police reports that were not presented at trial. I witnessed a said that a man around six feet tall grabbed the bag and returned to a dark race of death. As Myers reached for the guy who robbed him, the car pulled off toward Amsterdam Avenue and shots were fired. The following day the autopsy revealed stippling, suggesting a close-range shot with no impediments. It was determined that a 9-millimeter bullet pass through the back of his upper right arm into the armpit, striking his lungs and heart. The witnesses and trajectory suggested the victim reach for the sedan's passenger side and was shot as the sedan pulled away. Yet the state's narrative had Myers slapping the windshield of a stationary vehicle and was shot with a 38-calibre bullet through the windshield, which is simply not supported by the fact. But that narrative didn't emerge until September 20th. Now Jerome was back from New Jersey and was driving around Washington Heights near his old apartment with Pedro Guzmua. No, this is what we did. We fought in small marijuana, hangout, look for girls. So we ended up driving down the streets and we ended up coming in to the 158th street while in the middle of the block. But should have happened. For what I was told it was over with drugs, but they had a crack spot. That they were fighting over. It was individuals when I blocked the regional Frazier and his friends. Yep, the same regional Frazier from the July 15th assault was involved in a shootout over a crack spot in which his friend, Thomas Joe Long, ran toward Amsterdam Avenue with the one way flow of traffic on his right and the buildings on his left. He shot on the left shoulder and the shot supposed to came from his right side of a car that was riding along the streets. But his left shoulder is facing the buildings as he's running towards Amsterdam. Even though the bullet entering and exiting through his upper left shoulder supported that the shooter was on the sidewalk, the police radio reported that the shots came from a white sedan. The making model varied, but this place is fishing on Jerome Curry and Pedro Guzmua who were in a white Nissan Maxima. In the middle of this, we did what we thought was logical at that moment and we also sped out of the block. The police are chasing us. Even though the victims identify multiple different cars, it just happened that our car was also right. Now, on that night, we had a substantial amount of marijuana in there. We had no identification, no license, we didn't even have paperwork for the car. Even though the car was legit, Guzmua was driving. He panicked and he said, "I'm not stopping. I'm not stopping. I'm going." You know, I didn't try to stop him. But I did was, I tried to get rid of the marijuana we had in and we just ran as much as we could. They sped toward the McCombs Dam Bridge on their way back to the Bronx, but traffic from the Yankee game was backed up and the police pulled up right next to them. Curry gets arrested with Guzmua on September 20th. Somewhere in the area, the police found the gun. First, they claimed that it was a 357, so they put that on the report and said, "Well, we found a gun and this gun belongs to you guys. They never took any fingerprints of it, DNA, anything." And they said, "Well, this is your gun." And we tell him, "This is not our gun from the beginning. This is not our gun. This is not our gun." And eventually Pedro Guzmua started talking to his people. He said, "Well, that's my friend gun and I got to talk to you." That's when he began to talk about the murder case. While Fending Off's suspicion and the attempted murder of Thomas Long, it appears that Guzmua decided to try to save himself by cooperating. And at some point, the 357 Magnum became a 38 special. I guess the police didn't know what kind of gun they allegedly found dumped from Guzmua's car. Nevertheless, Guzmua started to spill real information, mixed in with the lies about the murder of Reginald Myers, which had occurred in the 30th precinct. They call in the 30th precinct. This is when Detective Leone get involved. Pedro Guzmua and me, that him and two other individuals have been involved in that shooting of Reginald Myers. They never mentioned me. Somehow they pressure him and then he implicated me in the crime. They take a statement from Guzmua not knowing that, you know, this guy now is trying to dig himself up out of a really, really nefarious scenario here. Guzmua's like, "I know about this other murder and Curry's involved with this murder," right? Basically says the Deleone that this 38 killed Myers, turns out that that 38 was not the murder weapon in Myers. There was a deformed 9-millimeter bullet that was found in Myers body and that bullet was compared to the gun that was recovered in connection with Curry's arrest on the night of September 20th. The NYPD's own ballistic expert concluded that that 9-millimeter bullet could not have been fired from that 38. That there was no connection between that gun and Myers at all. But Deleone didn't know this information when he was working on these statements. First with Guzmua and then they picked up Miguel Enriquez and lastly Jerome. Detective Leone came in, this guy, him and another guy named Detective Primus. We were kept in a precinct approximately 48 hours, probably a little longer than that. It seems got really bad, but I continued to deny my involvement in it. The first thing they did was they brought in big color pictures of the victim and they put them on a table. They were determined to get a confession. They say, "You're going to tell us just out of the story." It got so bad to the point where this detective LP Deleone became a bit too physically. I remember him getting up, he went into a rage, punching and slapping me and he said, "You're not leaving here until you tell us what we want to hear." During this process, they brought in a TV screen with a DVD or a BCR player and they continuously played the confession that this guy Pedro Guzmua had already given them and with your Enriquez that they implicated in this crime as well. Enriquez and Guzmua both say that Enriquez jumps out of the car, takes the bag off of the victim, runs back to the 86 accurate dark gray foredoor and both of them say that the victim comes to the front windshield, slaps it and Jerome shoots through the windshield and see that's the thing. The police could have easily gone to the autopsy to see that there was stippling on the body and automatically know that what Enriquez and Guzmua are saying is false. The windshield would have blocked any stippling at all from what I think unregistered Myers and in addition the 9-millimeter bullet, not a 357 or a 38 caliber but a 9-millimeter bullet entered through the back upper right arm and passed through the chest to the left. There was no upward trajectory that one might expect to have seen with a shot through the windshield. The shot, in fact, entered the back upper right arm. This scenario in which Jerome is the shooter simply defies reality. And they can tell them, yes, we people there say you got to give us a story, you got to take some type of responsibility and this went on for hours. I never knew how serious the probation was and not drink and water and not having access to food for so long really many to us. They put me in a lineup. I made a find out that the people that claimed that they see me at the crime scene had identified a guy that was 6 feet to 6-1. I'm only 5-7. How can a guy be identified as being 6-1 and be 5-7? Taking a consideration that I was sitting down when they made the identification with a bunch of other guys so they didn't even seem to stand in up to compare me to the other individuals. Oh wow. Okay, that's a whole thing. I've never heard of a lineup sitting down. Yeah, on a bench so that's how they made the identification. So they said, well, you know, we got you picked out of a line with the people that singing you there and it was all lies. And it got so bad that I just wanted to end it. I ended up incriminating myself in this crime even though I was innocent which is something that I have regretted all these years because I have to live with that. My family have to live with that, you know. You're listening to wrongful conviction. You can listen to this in all the lava for good podcasts one week early and add free by subscribing to lava for good plus on Apple podcasts. As far as we can tell the witnesses that viewed this at down lineup were never heard from again but they served as an effective cudgel. They got your own to sign a confession, making him the shooter for Reginald Frazier, Reginald Liars, and Thomas Long but as we've already pointed out the statements were not corroborated by reality. And then they brought in Reggie Frazier who was both the victim from July 15th as well as the witness of the shooting in front of his crack spot which one cancer my's made him open for cooperation when he came into view a lineup especially when he's made to believe that the guy who shot his friend Thomas Long had been caught. came in and he saw my picture on the detective's desk and then he went into the line-up and I benefiled me. There's also another version of events where someone else at the 33rd precinct, not Detective Primus who was conducting lineup, but somebody else showed him Jerome's picture by mistake. Either way, Reggie Frazier made the ID that was incentivized by not only a blind eye to his drug activity, but also just a few months before trial, trigger warning, 38-year-old Reggie Frazier had been charged with the rape of a 13-year-old child who became pregnant, receiving a sentence of only one and a half to three years. Meanwhile Jerome had awaited his trials for about that same amount of time on Rikers Island. His first trial was for the July 15th Assault of Frazier, and the attempted murder of Frazier's wife, Tommy Sloan. "Reggie Frazier, he testified that he's seen a white car, somebody pointed a gun out of the window of the car and started shooting at him or the group that he was in. Long testified also, but he really didn't provide much information. He just said that he's seen a white car, he could have identified the car, he don't even know where the shots came from. He just said he heard a shot and he started running. "Of course, a confession for me and a permanent confession." As we've discussed, this alleged confession was about shooting Thomas Long from the car. Even though the bullet path through Long's left shoulder placed the shooter on the sidewalk in front of or behind him, not in a car way off to his right, but none of this was ever explained to the jury. Then they moved on to the assault on July 15th. Frazier said that he had a confrontation with a guy on 159th Street, that he had never seen before at night in the guy's shot, unless he tried to run away. He said he has him right there, seeing right there. Now importantly, he reported that this was a blackmail, but changed this description to Hispanic mail and ID Jerome, an ID that he appears to have been incentivized and guided to May. He also testified to having cooperated in other prosecutions, which could mean that he regularly traded testimony to maintain his own freedom and was not thereby a reliable source, but with Jerome's own statement corroborating this witness, he probably didn't have a chance anyway. Other things. One is because I wasn't allowed to take the stand and speak and defend myself and for a representation that I had, he never used his private investigator to go to the area and interview witnesses. And so I knew I wasn't trouble. They came in and they just handed out a verdict. On March 17th, 1998, predictably, they found him guilty in both cases, ultimately resulting in two consecutive terms of 25 and 10 years for a total of 35 years. And then his second trial for the Myers murder began that August. The only evidence against Jerome Curry is Guzman and Curry's statement. Henriquez does not testify trial. He provides a statement to B.A. Dellyone and interestingly, Henriquez and Guzman statements almost match identically, like almost word for word. We all have different perception, okay? So you're going to have different versions of the same event. Now that's not going to contradict each other, but it's going to be slightly different. You're not going to have exactly the same statement, right? Word for word, that's not going to happen. They don't write those statements. Dellyone does, right? But Henriquez doesn't testify a trial. No, he didn't testify. And he told me the reason. Listen, even though I implicated you in this murder, I know you wasn't there. They forced me to say these things about you. They said, "Detectably, me, me, me, me, you know, they put me in a room. They threatened me. This is a guy that never been arrested and he took a plea. He said, "I'm not doing it. He said, "I'm not going to testify. I'd rather take a plea off. Just get on with my life and do whatever money you have to do before I come in here and do that." And he never testified either. He refused to testify. I forget how much time he gets. He does do a lot of time in prison, Henriquez. He does much more time than Guzman does who does cooperate. I think he did about seven and some months. He did last him when he was supposed to do it. So I don't know if they threw in a letter of consideration in there for him. And Guzman says that when Henriquez comes into the car, the victim runs up to the front of the windshield and slaps the windshield. They said that he was standing in front of the hood of the car with both hands raised in the air and a position to strike the windshield. So that means that the bullet will have struck him through his left side. And he says, "Karri shoots through the front of the windshield." And what we know from the autopsy report is that they're stippling on the wound, which means two things that this is a close gunshot wound. The other thing is there can't be an intermediary between the wound and the gun. Completely refutes what Guzman is saying. It's more that the victim buyers is running towards the car, reaching into the car and is shot into the side of his body. The autopsy says that the bullet entered through the back of his upper right arm. Then entered the chest under the armpit and traveled through the lungs and heart, which further makes sense when you know that the car was moving away from him. Picture the car. With the passenger side pulled up to the curb and Rika is darting back into the car. There's lunging for him. The car pulls away and the shot was fired, making that back of the upper right arm through the chest trajectory possible. Those DDFives that said there were some witnesses that said the car was already moving when Myers was shot. Those DDFives weren't turned over a trial because it would have contradicted Guzman's trial testimony and curry that the shooting happens when the car is stationary. The jury never heard how the state's narrative was impossible. Nor did they hear from a single alibi witness. Jerome's girlfriend and mother both said that he was in Trenton. He has another guy named Figueroa. He was with Figueroa at like a birthday party at the time in Trenton. None of those people were called in Jerome's defense of trial. The defense attorney essentially he relied on his ability to cross examine Guzman and to basically say, "Hey, the 38 is not in fact a murder weapon." And of course Jerome gets convicted, which is predictable considering that the jury heard Jerome's false statement. So he got another 25-year sentence. At the moment I didn't really comprehend what was going on. I couldn't put together the sentence. I just heard it. I hear by sentence you the 25 of life. And I started adding not the years and we turned the entire sentence into 60 to life. 60 to life, yeah. But at that moment everything just goes quiet, everything goes numb, everything just goes in slow motion. Then you go off state. They send you out close to Canada to collect a correction of facility. And that's when you feel that it's over. You know, with all the histories of officers killing prisoners, prisoners killing prisoners, all the vignages and all the drugs, everything that just goes on in place of life that it was horrible. There's no way to prepare for that. While enduring the worst of New York State prisoners Jerome began to learn the law, meanwhile receiving denials unappeal until he filed his federal habeas petition. They granted me a hearing. They asked me questions in two of them where my defense counsel ever made an attempt to contact the witnesses that described me as being 61. And if you did, and whether that deficiency affected the trial. So they vacated that conviction and sent it back to the district court. And when I got a hearing, I wasn't as prepared. You know, I wasn't as educated. I really didn't know the law as much as I know now. So when I went to the hearing, the Magistrate Judge, which is a guy named Andrew Peck, he was very tough. Instead of answering the questions or having the question asked about the second circuit, he turned it around and made it into whether I asked my counsel to call these witnesses, but I was not the question by the court. They asked whether his deficient performance in calling these witnesses affected the trial. And he never addressed that. He turned it around and found a way to deny the motion based on that. He said, "Oh, well, you never asked them to call these witnesses." And he just outdated by the way I testified up to hearing. And I said, "Yes, I did ask them multiple times." You know, I was very interested in hearing from these witnesses. They described me as being 61. And then, you know, "Here I am, I fall seven," and he never called them in. While these witness descriptions in the Myers case likely referred to Miguel Enriquez, those same witnesses allegedly identified Jerome while he was seated. But regardless of how problematic all of that is, the judge still found a way to deny the claim. The next bit of progress came with Justin's involvement in 2016 when he did what Jerome's trial attorney never did, a natural investigation. Starting with Alabama witnesses, like Eduardo Figueroa. I know this guy for years, and my mother had ran into his family. His father in Trenton, New Jersey, so his father gave him the mumble. He immediately traveled up here, and I have seen this guy in about 25 years. And he was shocked to hear that I have been in cause. a full crime to happen when we were together in Trent and Egyrasey. So figure out what gives an affidavits that Jerome was at a party in Trenton at the time of the homicide and Jerome's mother and girlfriend both say during that week that he was down in Trenton. He also did a re-investigation of the Myers crime scene with two forensic pathologists, Dr. Thomas Kubik and Cyril Wecht, the latter of whom is such a legendary figure. He actually worked the Kennedy assassination and countless other cases since then. Dr. Wecht has probably been involved with over 50,000 autopsies. He gave the report back in 2022. And Dr. Kubik basically says the same thing as Dr. Wecht. So we have two experts that basically say that Guzmán's trial testimony and Enriquez's statement are physically impossible. Everything we've been saying about how the ballistic contradict the state's evidence comes from them. And as we've already mentioned, Justin also got an affidavit from Miguel Enriquez saying that Jerome was never involved in any way. So as Justin has said, his initial focus is the Myers case, which he has now fully dismantled. The only way this could be better would be if Guzmán reappeared from the Dominican Republic to corroborate everything we already know well enough even without him. And then there's the state star witness from the first trial, none other than Reggie Frazier. And then found on a FOIL request in recent years, I think it was in 2017 or 2018 with the help of a friend of mine. This guy, Reggie, gave two different descriptions, but that was never turned over. I just recently found that out. And this is when Jerome finally knew what we've been saying about Frazier's credibility issues. Then once again, contrary to Frazier's testimony, the ballistic and long-skate proved that the shooter must have been on the sidewalk and not in a passing white sedan. And the backdrop for Frazier's participation in both trials is the police ignoring his drug trafficking while giving him a sweetheart deal for his rape charge. So while we still don't have definitive proof that Jerome didn't shoot Frazier in the ass on July 15th, 1996, we do have the word of a 38 year old man who impregnated a 13 year old child. In addition, Jerome has said in writing that he's ready and willing to submit to DNA testing to exclude himself from the 38, while that weapon is excluded from the Myers case, it's just one more corroboration that he was not involved in the other two incidents in which the police say that gun was involved. So hopefully, Justin's going to be able to obtain that testing as well as additional info for the discrediting Frazier. In the meantime, they're awaiting the decision on the 440 motion in the Myers case. And what I believe is you have to take one piece at a time here. And what we know is one of his convictions at the very least is wrong. And it's the most serious conviction. And this conviction shows it is a testament that the other convictions that he has are at the very least highly, highly problematic. And that they just went all out, didn't care. They used coercive tactics. They manufactured evidence. They just didn't care. So I don't want to move on anything until I'm sure. What I am very, very certain about is that Jerome Curry did not kill Reginald Myers. And he was not there when Reginald Myers was killed. And we have a person that's in the car. Miguel and Rick has now saying that Jerome Curry wasn't even in the car. Wasn't there. Wasn't present at all. And he's admitting that I was there. I took the bag. He's admitting his involvement in the murder. He's admitting it. And he's saying Curry had nothing to do with it. And we have alibis. And the question I have is, what part of this case isn't covered by the evidence that we put in that motion? Why aren't we working with the prosecutor's office when they discover that you have a detective that has a pattern? We've begun to establish a pattern. The FBI says a serial killer is defined by what? Two or more murders I think it is. That's the definition here. We know that Deliome beat at least one person, found guilty of that internally from the NYPD and that the New York County District Attorney's Office has made allegations that he fabricated and manufactured evidence in another case that led to an exoneration of other men. Shouldn't we now begin to look at everything B.A. Deliome does? But I could tell you, I spoke to him about Jerome's case and he still believes that that 38 was the murder weapon. It's in his notes. It's in his notes. He still believes that and he told me techniques that he used to get people to identify people in photo arrays and lineups and things like that. Basically in six packs, he would put people in two and five and in lineups, he would push people into three and four because people go to the middle of the lineup first and that increased the chance of identification exponentially. And then he had techniques about confessions. Obviously, Jerome knows about the confessions better than either. I don't think I was with B.A. for over 40 hours straight. I sincerely hope that the Manhattan D.A.'s office takes a hard look at this case. You've got two incidents in which the ballistic clear Jerome Curry exposed the false testimony of the victim from another incident who appears to have had plenty to gain from cooperating. So now with that, let's go to closing arguments. I'm going to first thank you guys for being here and sharing this incredibly important story. So with that, I'm going to turn off my microphone and kick back in my chair and just listen to anything else you have to say. Justin, let's start with you and then hand it off to Jerome and he'll take us off into the sunset. Once you see one of these tainted investigations where the cops don't care, you then have to look at the other ones. The D.A.'s office even has more information on L.P.D.O. Delhi own. I'm still fighting for the rest of the information about his involvement and his involvement is only in the Myers case. But the other detectives that were involved in the other two cases were feeding off of him. They were obligated even 28 years ago to turn over the fact that B.A. had abused another witness. They were obligated when they exonerated Jabbar Walker to turn over their findings in November of 2023 where L.P.D.O. Delhi owned was the lead investigator. And here, every single piece of evidence against Jerome Curry was tainted by confirmation bias, contextual bias, by police officers that thought that their intuition took them to the right person by witnesses that were willing to say whatever they had to say to get out of jail. And I know that's a common theme, but here we can prove that physical evidence that we can prove, we can prove that your own Curry was held even by the NYPD's own admission for well over a day, over 30 hours. By the NYPD's own admission, they kept him in interrogate him over and over and over again until they got the information out of him that they wanted, not true factual information, not information that was cooperated by the physical evidence. And that's what I want people to understand. The police's own techniques saying that the physical evidence should match the statement of the person that's confessing. We don't have any of that here. There's not one piece of evidence that's used to convict your own Curry, the Reginald Myers case that's reliable. Not one. I want to address your listeners, those that are familiar with the criminal justice system as well as those that are not, as one of the Manhattan district attorney's office, even the judge, whose passion I'm seeking in proving my innocent, in this case that is before her president in her office right now, as far as I know, no one is above the law in this country. And the cornerstone of the rebel constitution of law stays and no one is above the law. And this includes members of the district attorney's office in Manhattan as well as law enforcement. Now, people may not know this but in a motion, such as the one that my attorney put together and submitted to the court, that is for requesting a new trial based on newly discovered evidence, the judge has a duty or is required to conduct a careful and dispassionate examination of the facts as presented in the papers that we submitted. And most importantly, the application of the law to those facts, which is what we have been requesting. We are requesting that the law is applied to the facts that we have presented in all our submissions. That's it. You know, I want to emphasize that from the outset, from the inception of my criminal prosecutions, I've always claimed my innocence. And that's it is demonstrated by the re-investigation of my case, as well as the large amount of compelling newly discovered evidence that is attached to the 440 motion that is pending by now in New York County Supreme Court. My wrongful conviction was the result of deficient representation by my trial attorney by the suppression of a squabble tone of the evidence by the Mahan District Attorney's Office. And I think also very importantly by the outrageous misconduct and corrupt investigative techniques of detective opinion to the young. Detective to the young has an extensive career here to be of engaging in tax misconduct and using corrupt investigative practices against criminal offenders and suspects. For approximately 28 years, I have been claiming that it's very insane tax misconduct where use against me by detective opinion of the young force me to make a terminated confection against myself and the crime that I did not commit. Yes, I get bar walker. I am also 100% innocent. And I'm just requesting for justice to deliver in my favor. And for the application of a law, to the facts on my case to be implemented. You know, I'm innocent. I just want to say that I'm innocent. on my day in court and I want to be able to prove my innocence and I would like to be exonerated from this crime. (gentle music) Thank you for listening to "Romford Confiction." You can listen to this in all the Lava for Good Podcasts one week early by subscribing to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I want to thank our production team, Connor Hall and Kathleen Fink, as well as my fellow executive producers, Jeff Campler, Kevin Wartus, and Jeff Clyburn. The music in this production was supplied by three time Oscar nominated composer, J. Ralph. Be sure to follow us across all social media platforms at Lava for Good and at "Romford Conviction." You can also follow me on Instagram at its Jason Flom. "Romford Conviction" is a production of Lava for Good Podcasts and association with Signal Company number one. (gentle music) Hello, my name is Jose Hernandez and the "Romford Conviction" podcast just opened my eyes to the world of "Romford Convictions and the Innocent Movement" and just how often this happens into everyday people. But I would say this podcast did influence me to pursue my legal career now going to my second year of Loyola Law School and I'm gonna be a part of their Loyola Project for the innocent. This upcoming semester's I'm really excited for that and I owe it all to the "Romford Conviction" podcast really leading me that way and inspiring me to do the work that I hear so many of these insurgings do. Thank you and keep up with the great work. Keep pumping out those stories and I can't wait to join the movement.