#460 - EXCLUSIVE: My Call w/ Epstein Buddy’s “Wife” & Charlie Kirk Pod REACTION | Julian Dorey

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And I'm like, oh, well that's, that's great. - Yeah. - It must be all that, that royalist talk. It was just, it's just jokes. I'm just joking, I'm like. You called the queen, a queen of now that I'm taking it out. - They declared you an IRA terrorist at this point. - Yeah, I was like, oh shit, man. I'm like, what are they viewing my profile for? - Yeah, you just have a nice little innocent job running the production of the show. And now you got all this undue attention on you, I'm sorry, Joey Deef. - Well, when you say it like that, it makes it sound like that isn't it. You're like, oh, this little innocent job. Yeah, this is an innocent job. Don't listen to him. - Very, very innocent. But on that note, we do have a lot to go through today. I got to speak with Amanda Ungaro for an hour and Amanda Ungaro has been covered on the show. If you don't remember, she is the mother of Paolo Zampoli's child and she was deported by ICE after being arrested for something else and then started to make some noise, obviously, down in Brazil over this whole thing with Epstein. And it quite literally led to Melania Trump coming out and giving a six minute speech in the White House back in April, literally as a result of Amanda just tweeting out a bunch of stuff, saying stuff like I know where the bodies are buried and all that. So I'm gonna discuss that call and I'm gonna go through what Amanda, told me I can talk about and just the details as I got it. It was fascinating. It was also another reminder, Joey Deef, of exactly why I do this show in person only. - Yeah, Zoom. - You know, Amanda was great. It's still frustrating 'cause you're like on Zoom and you're trying to get in questions, but there's like a little delay and all that. So I spoke with her for an hour. It really needed to be four or five, but we at least got like an outline of things. So I do wanna say when I get to that point, that part, if you see some spots where it jump cuts, 'cause when we do these, we just record it straight for 95 minutes and there's never a jump cut. But if you see a spot where it's a jump cut, it means that it is something I was reviewing with her to make sure she was okay with it being public because the nature of our conversation was we were just gonna get on there and talk and assume it was off record, at least at the beginning until said otherwise. And when we closed the conversation, she and I, came to an agreement about bringing a lot of this stuff on the record here. And I'm gonna review that with her just to make sure all that is exactly what she wanted to be out there and things like that. But. - Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. - I'll get to that in a minute. We also gotta talk about that fucking crazy podcast that Danny Jones did this week that was dropping some interesting alpha with Yuval Aviv. And I'll give a full backstory there as well. And I've had a chance to talk with Danny about some of that podcast too. So we'll go through that. And then, yeah, just some very interesting biz going on with respect to our economy this week and some generational divides. And it's just time we hit this with some of the shit that's being gaslit to people. Like, I feel like you and I have been talking about this a lot behind the scenes, Steve. - It's getting nauseating. - That's another thing on top. - On top of the thing off camera I just said before this, it's just, it's getting so nauseating. - It's a lot. But to begin today, I do think we should at least give our little first person reaction to the two podcasts, but in particularly the second podcast that we dropped this week with Baron Coleman and Joseph Scott Morgan. So this was obviously, so episode 459, that is, was four hours and 15 minutes of breaking down the entire immediate aftermath and investigation from both the literal and hypothetical, what should have been done perspective of the Charlie Kirk assassination. We essentially, after the pleasantries at the very beginning, we began that podcast with the shot is fired on, or whatever happened there on September 10th, 2025. And I think like 90 minutes in, we were still at the point where Charlie's body was going like this, meaning like about a half a second had elapsed. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. We slowed down time a little bit. - Yeah, it was real like matrixy kind of shit, but you know, don't want to join the matrix though. - No, no, no. - You don't want to be a part of the matrix. It gets you in the shoe. Anyway, anyway, so it was that in depth. And we eventually closed it with essentially, for all intents and purposes, when Charlie's body left the morgue. And we did a little bit of that rooftop video that had come out as well to get a reaction. But this was really, really important to me to be able to get these two guys in a room. And I want to give a huge shout out to both Baron and JSM. They killed it. It was absolutely four hours and 15 minutes of awesome back and forth, awesome in-depth breaking down, of what we've been told publicly has happened with the investigation and what was happening on the ground when Charlie was shot and also what should have happened. And also things that we would want to expect when a trial, if and when a trial does come, to have seen the state have done in their investigation. And, you know, there was a lot of controversy after the first podcast I put out with Joseph, because it wasn't even supposed to be on like the whole, the whole Charlie Kirk case. We were going to talk about a million cases, but then we just got stuck talking about Charlie Kirk for over three hours. And obviously Joseph looks at hundreds of cases at a time. And so as someone, I said this a couple episodes, but as a couple episodes ago, but as someone who is not an expert on the case, point at me here, you know, I didn't put Joseph in the best position for some of that podcast to be able to accurately go through all of the things we now know or things that have been questioned, and publicly based on what they told us that don't appear to be true. And so it was really good to be able to get Barron here so quickly that initially wasn't going to be my plan. My plan was to have Barron in, in the fall. I was going to reach out to him in like the end of August, but I was like, all right, let's do this right away. Reached out to Barron, had an amazing conversation with him, got him in here, but it was awesome to get him in here as well as someone who has been, you know, like the chief litigator online of asking questions about this case and talking about it basically back since it happened for hours at a time, every single week, you know, to get him in here, to lay out not just his backstory as well, which I think is important so that you can understand how he looks at these things, but then to lay out just like, here's where we're at, here are all the questions that we still don't have answered, things that smell, things that could be odd, things that we still have to be open to, things that maybe we don't have to be open to, et cetera, to get that on the record. It was great to have that for episode 458. And Barron was nice enough to stay here for two days, the second day being what was filmed with episode 459 with Joseph and him, where we could put the two of them together now after having had two separate podcasts and have them exchange ideas for four hours, 15 minutes. I thought it was going to be amazing. I really did. I was very confident that these two, especially once I recorded with Barron and really got to know him the day before, I'm like, oh, this is going to be awesome. Like obviously I go way back with Joseph Scott Morgan, but I don't know what you thought, Tief, but it exceeded my expectations. Like these guys were down to the detail. It felt like when we were in there, Barron was an attorney, which he is by trade, deposing his expert witness. - Yeah. - And like almost preparing him for questions that could come his way. And it was not in the courtroom, so it was relaxed. - Yeah, no, I thought it was great. Not that I didn't expect anything crazy to happen, but it was very like calm, cool, professional, like really good rapport between the both of them. And I feel like you got exactly what you wanted out of it. Like where people will watch it and it'll just be like, no one's claiming this, no one's claiming that, it's all just laid out for you to decide for yourself. That's the best you could hope for. - That's exactly what I think too. And yeah. you know, people are always going to nitpick certain things and stuff like that. for sure you know baron when he went home on sunday because he was here friday saturday and he wanted to be real quiet about what is here i couldn't even tell like people i see every day about like he was moving silence yeah he was he was moving a motherfucking silence with some security but then he went home so he announced that that you know what had happened and all that and you know endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at netflix.com slash house hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just 20 dollars at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save i felt like his messaging in that first live stream if you didn't see it last sunday night was so spot on because what was cool is he's a guy who has really pounded the table on they are not telling us the truth here and i think i think he has a lot of evidence to point to issues there that that makes a good case for him by the way but you know it also has an environment online where the argument about it is very toxic is is just people are so strong-willed about this and i understand that you know someone died here and you're not getting the full story it appears that way for sure and we've seen plenty of assassinations in the past in the united states where they clearly shoved the wool over our eyes so i get that but what it does is it does make people very very angry and so what baron was saying is that this was an awesome example of people coming together in good faith on both sides of the table and they're not telling us the truth and they're not telling us the truth and they're not telling us the truth and they're not telling us the truth and they're not telling us the truth i don't even know if joseph has a side but joseph has like a i'm breaking it down strictly by the expert evidence kind of side which means there could be some stuff sometimes where he's like i don't i don't know how that would make sense from a ballistic standpoint or whatever and so obviously people would kind of put him on one end of the spectrum after the last podcast and people know the end of the spectrum that baron's on on the other side so bringing them together and them getting along so well and also like so much common ground was incredible because baron was also saying he's like yeah you know there's things about this case that joseph and i disagree on which i think he's right about to be clear but what's crazy is in the podcast all the details we went through i don't know that there was ever a single disagreement there was an exchange of possibilities for ideas and like setting of standards and such you know yes and i think baron deserves credit for also like people don't hear him clearly when he says this stuff but like yeah he may be pounding the table about all the problems here but he's open to seeing evidence that would change his mind on certain things and to his credit they haven't given us that yet you know i can't lie like that we we ended up playing the rooftop video in both of those episodes this week once with baron and then obviously once with the two of them there's a lot of questions after you look at that there's a lot of questions why doesn't he have a limp where's the fucking 42 inch gun you know like our eyes looked at it and like if you can convince me and show me with some sort of expert witness as to why there's still a limp there or more importantly i'd say even where the gun is okay i'll change my mind but like i look at that and i go i don't know what the fuck that is and it's very very reasonable for people to ask that question and so i just really appreciated both of those guys coming in here and doing that and like a little of the behind the scenes when when they both got here that day joseph got here i flew in joseph on saturday morning so he got here from the airport and then baron arrived shortly after the two of them you know they're both from from alabama joseph's originally from new orleans but you know obviously spent a lot of his life in alabama two southern good old boys in a way and they just started kind of talking on the couch and steve the security security guy was out there too and i just kind of walked into the studio looked at deep i'm like yo just just let this let this happen yeah yeah let them get up a little bit get comfortable so they're out there for like 20 25 minutes just talking i'm like okay there's no tension we're good let's roll and i went out there i'm like all right guys you ready we came in we sat down and we did the whole thing and like there were there were a couple bathroom breaks this time my bladder wasn't as good as the first day with baron but it was we were that's piss we were rolling the whole time and i do think baron said this on his live stream and he didn't tell me he was going to talk about it on his live stream that night i didn't talk about i did not talk with him again after he left until i think monday morning but you know he said he believes this is the most comprehensive breakdown of the crime scene and the elements that go into what should be and what possibly was the forensics investigation that exists on the internet and i don't say this to be biased i mean maybe i am but i i was thinking that when we were recording it when we were about when we were starting to really rip through the autopsy when we took the second bathroom break maybe a little over three hours in a front time i was like i don't think there's been something done like this on on this case so i hope people get a lot out of that we're recording this before the end of the year so i hope you guys are watching this and i hope you guys are watching this and i'm hoping that you guys are watching this and i'm hoping that you guys are watching this and i'm hoping that you guys are watching this and i'm hoping that you guys are watching this and i'm hoping Like, maybe, maybe. I don't know. I don't know but that is the great society right there, but let's let's get to the Amanda and Garo thing Yeah, so again, I references at the beginning, but if you see jump cuts, that's because there's something that you know in reviewing this with Amanda she wants to keep off-record but Hey guys, just as a quick note I was able to get everything I'm about to say cleared by Amanda herself and she also was nice enough to send over Some of the screenshots pertaining to at least some of the things I'm talking about So I'm gonna go check that out on the edit right now and whatever is relevant to things I said when you hear a whoosh sound That means it went on the screen and you can see some sort of document or email right there Like I said, I I really needed Three four hours with her I got an hour so I could get an outline but right off the bat what I'll say is There were things that she said That were the direct opposite of what she would be Incentivized to say as an example and I'll get to the details of this in a minute She said that she and Paolo in all the years She was with and without him there was like a three-year gap in there at one point. For example, it was roughly 20 years They never talked about Epstein ever and Like she's incentivized to be like, oh he talked about him all the time and you know I knew everything they were doing We know that Paolo Zampoli according to evidence was looking to buy a modeling agency with Jeffrey Epstein as a partner I forget which one it's maybe as a lead. I don't remember in like oh four Like he's in business with the guy and everything and yet Amanda's saying Nope, didn't really talk about it. So I took like some bullet point notes of Like things that can come on the record because like I said at the end of the conversation I said, okay Here's what I think we could talk about. Let me know what you think of that and she's like, yes Absolutely go through this this and this and then there were a couple things that was like, all right let's that would be best to not talk about that right now, but essentially Amanda Was modeling in Milan by age 13 now, I didn't get to really Dig deeper on this, but she doesn't make any claims that anything ever happened to her she I would describe her as a model I was a very tough woman For sure. She's definitely I would not want to get on her bad side I I do want to throw that out there definitely, but you know, she was modeling at a young age She was from Brazil ends up in Milan at 13. She's living in Paris at like 15 16 right to when she's 17 Modeling and I believe it was she was working for Jean-Luc Brunel at at his modeling agency Some of that was like a little unclear but the way she ended up in the United States is At age 17 in I believe 2001 She got on the Lolita Express with Jeffrey Epstein Ghislaine Maxwell Jean-Luc Brunel and 30 other girls that's how she got to New York and She claims nothing happened to her on that flight, but she said, you know, these girls were very comfortable like as if they had been in that environment before and That Epstein and Maxwell and Brunel this was like very normal for them and there'd be girls sitting on the lap Of Epstein and stuff and she thought some of it was a little weird but what was odd was when she went to get off the plane and in the US Jean-Luc Brunel threw her a And Jean-Luc Brunel, by the way is the guy who definitely unalived himself. That's what the government told me So I'm gonna choose to believe them Presidents Day weekend 2022 in his I believe Parisian jail cell. Yeah, you know, I'm sure there was nothing more there but anyway, he was the Jeffrey Epstein's longtime buddy and a Major modeling scout and executive in Europe who is also alleged to have been Central to the trafficking operation on that side of the map as it pertains to Epstein and His orbit if you will, but Jean-Luc Brunel threw Amanda to Ungaro a Plastic like circular baggie. She said that contained a lot of drugs. She knew right away. It was drugs She threw it back and said no you take this shit. I like her accents. Yeah, it's it's it's like the way she explains things This is very entertaining but she threw it back to him and she left and She never saw Keelan Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not sure about Brunel, but Epstein and Maxwell She never saw them again. I don't know if she ever saw Epstein again, but she never saw Maxwell again until around 2014 I'll get to that point in the story when Amanda started doing some stuff with the UN and she ran into Maxwell as it pertains to Her fucking prestige worldwide very fake organization called Terramar trying to save the world's oceans or whatever the fuck they were doing I'll get to that. But again She would be incentivized in my opinion to say I was hanging out with him all the time Palo talked about him with him all the time Palo talked about him with me all the time. I saw them all the time. We all knew what they were doing She's incentivized to do that because she definitely hates her ex Palo Zampolli. I understand that and You know, she's also sitting in Brazil right now not in America with her son as a result of I'll get to that part of the story Palo getting her just pushed out of this country and and I Think what amounts to? Forms of blackmail. Those are the claims. This is pure spec These are alleged your honor. This is just Allegations from someone that I am reporting secondhand. I don't know. I'd pal Zampolli might be a great guy But it's possible alleged We got to cover the bases here Joe Good biz. It's how it is. So Amanda says that she met Paolo in Brazil When she was 15 Okay, so this would have been when she was signed to I forget which modeling could maybe it was ID at that point but one of the modeling companies and Right before she went to live in Paris for a year or two That's interesting because Paolo Zampolli would have been by my math around 29 years old at that time meeting a 15 year old we all know how dirty the modeling business has apparently been in the past and Probably still is in some ways Hopefully not nearly as bad as it clearly used to be where what I mean by that is they'd be recruiting girls when they're 12 13 Cuz they're like, oh she's a looker. Yeah, she'll be the next one and then God knows what happens to him when that happens So I say that because he met her when she's 15 and she's a young model. She was already a model at that point and She was already a model at that point and Hypothetically could have been a part of his job that he was meeting her Obviously, I think it went beyond that because he ended up with her again I have to be careful how I say these things but your spec pure spec. We're all drawing Certain conclusions out there and I think you're very reasonable to draw those conclusions by the way But you don't want to dip the pen in company ink. That's right It's exactly right. That's it. Are we sponsored by Red Bull now? Did I miss that? We ought to be Gives you wings. Yeah, come on guys. It gives you wings. I got nothing against Red Bull But anyway, we're not sponsored by Red Bull Send the money. So he please we really need it. Come on. We really do I don't know where all these guys get the money. Yeah, I don't know I was a bit Baron was like Kirk was making 25 30 a year. What am I doing wrong? That's the Kirk effect though, dude Well, that's both that's before the You know, yeah Big biz, it's huge big donors huge piss. I don't know what I'm doing wrong Listen, I drive a Honda. I like my hot. Listen, we we tighten up this reporting on the war and by tighten up I mean we just flip flop. Oh We're gonna have money flying through the door. So we're gonna take that 50 million dollar bag Exactly. Yeah turned down. We hung out with Paulo by a very informative man You don't really understand I Asked her about that - that's good. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. But anyway, so he meets Palos and Polly Meets Amanda and she alleges at age 15 She then reconnects with him. I Want to say the next time she reconnected him was in fact in New York I can't remember if she mentioned if she ever saw him in Paris But I'm pretty sure it was not until she was in New York after she had gotten off the Lolita Express and was here and The way she explains it the timeline is that He began full-blown dating her when she was in New York and to give the benefit of the doubt of the timeline I would imagine it lines up with her being 18 if that does anything for anyone out there obviously the whole he was He's born in 1970 and this would have been in 2002. So he's 32. She's 18 I think that's weird Yeah, be me. Yeah, good be me. Yeah chief, but I guess that would be legal, right so they start dating and This is where I had to to she jumped around a bit and i and i would bring it back and forth so i'm gonna stay with that too because what she was saying kind of then gives context to things when we go back so just bear with me on the timeline here but again she says that nothing ever happened to her from from like as a model coming up from like an abuse perspective in that way she began dating paulo eventually he never married her but eventually they had a child together and she was living with him and with him for until 2015 ish and i'll get there in a second but so that's that's a lot of years yeah by the way and the way i would describe paulo paulo paulo good friend of ours joey deef apparently but you know the way i would describe paulo is very similar to tony soprano endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the 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went to separate from tony and look at a divorce he refused to let it happen and then he even went so far as to talk with every high-powered divorce attorney in the area so that then they had a conflict and couldn't talk with her and the idea was he would he would get extremely angry at the idea of her so much as seeing another dude even though they were separated and of course he was getting whatever box he wanted to get but you know it was like only i can have you no one else can have you that's how paulo treats amanda for sure the difference is and here's the difference tony soprano who was a textbook sociopath to be clear tony soprano actually loved carmella i actually do believe that as much as a sociopath can feel love i think he did i don't get the sense palazzo ampoli loves amanda ungaro or ever did i don't know i i've never talked with palazzo ampoli there's not a fuck ton of him out there talking a lot over the years there's some we've played some of it but like i don't know that he's capable of that and the pattern with him repeatedly is that no no you're mine you're you're with me i won't marry you i have a kid with you i won't marry you and i'll fuck everything else that moves but you're mine and you're with me and that's it and so that is a pattern that i think is very clearly demonstrated throughout their 20 23 24 year odyssey together at that point paulo when he began dating her of course told her that he'd make her a star all that with modeling he love bombed her you know you you heard nadine macaluso talk about that back in episode 302 with me she was the wolf of wall street's wife and ex-wife now but you know she talked about how you know he was a raging narcissist and he was just like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i just give her a lot of gifts and give her a lot of things to make her feel like she was loved and all that so that's similar thing happened with amanda at the beginning and again she's young like clearly to me amanda had to grow up quickly way quicker than any kid should ever have to but that also stunts a lot of development that happens as well and at the same time when you're 18 19 20 you may be more less green at the world because you've seen a lot of shit in her case but like you're still 18 19 20 and like i don't know i don't know i don't know that stuff has a psychological effect on on you but anyway she has a child with him as she said she has no contact with epstein and maxwell during these years and then in 2014 she begins working at the un and the way she describes the un like i know it's a fucked up place i know there's a lot of bullshit going on there but this is just like a fucking this is like a like a legalized black market of like wealthy diplomats around the world that just fuck around and maybe never find out yeah i mean checks out it does check out so she had left the fashion industry and in june 2014 keith mitchell who was the prime minister of grenada appointed ungaro as united nations ambassador for youth affairs now again when you only have an hour with someone this is a textbook example of like something i'd like to know more about what the fuck does amanda have to do with grenada that's number one number two i forgot grenada was a country and then i remembered like we like took it over and i was like i don't know what to do with grenada i don't know what to in like a day in 1984 and number three like ambassador for youth affairs what does that mean what are what does that mean what like what are the qualifications here i don't know and i'm sure amanda would i'm gonna guess i should say would probably be pretty blunt about the fact that it's all bullshit even on her end maybe with some of the things she was doing because she went through this whole thing about how in the end she was like i don't know what to do with grenada i don't know the u.n motherfuckers were just selling diplomatic passports for 250 grand yeah and i'm like what i don't what does that mean and she's like well it's a diplomatic passport you can you can go from one place to another and the way i took it was a bunch of these small countries that you and i have never heard of this is where they get their juice and they're like ah we can give you a passport from our country so you can travel wherever the fuck you want dominica never heard of it now you have never heard of dominica never heard of dominica never heard of dominica and that was the funny part she was telling me about you know pal i wanted to get involved with the u.n to get closer to some people so i made up some shit about the oceans and i'm like yeah what does he know about oceans she's like nothing not the damn thing and i was like okay yeah i also was unaware dominica was a country and i think she laughed at that i think i said that to her i was definitely thinking that but i i think i said that to her and then i never got like what his affiliation was going to be and i don't know what dominica was because there was none it's just another caribbean island for all i know it could have been owned by jeffrey epstein like i'm can we google that just to make like make sure for the 50th time that that's actually a fucking country who owns dominica who owns dominica do i have any dominicans out there not like dominican republics but the other dominicans um it's not owned by any person it's not owned by a person full independence from great britain oh we love that good for them they fought the redcoats and won 200 years later good for them november 3rd 1978 and it operates as a sovereign democratic republic i want to see who this person is head of state president sylvani burton dave's gonna look into that it's a sovereign democratic republic got that sovereign democratic republican republic fucking passports being passed around apparently too yeah pure spec that's sylvani so this is sylvani this is their leader she won in 2023 she was born in the village of crayfish river as a member of the kalinago people and holds a bachelor's degree in rural development and a master's degree in project management all right good for her great all right so checks out checks out she's qualified yeah qualified for the job got a degree anyway so palo has this affiliation and another thing i didn't get to dig deeply on is again he's ambassador for the oceans what was guilin maxwell's very fake teramar project about the oceans what's going on in the motions what's happening down the motions boy the aliens and it something something we ain't know about 95 of that shit down there yeah they're just like keyed in on atlantis that's where all this shit's going down that's right they're having a satanic ritual with a bunch of fucking i didn't want to give the visual there don't even you know but we we get it they're desecrating atlantis get randall carlson in here he's gonna lose his fucking mind on these people these people have no fucking idea what any of this shit is man i know the history not them anyway so oh the other thing she threw in a shot he was doing pal can we google this i didn't even yeah yeah i know exactly how his hand pulley was doing something with the tigers she's like all that bullshit with tigers he just wanted to get close to pulpit because he loved tigers i'm like that's not helping nick and spears of theories here, but all right. So entrepreneur and diplomat, Powell Zampoli is well-known for featuring live tiger cubs at his lavish birthday. That's not, I feel like that's not saving the tiger. Okay. At his lavish birthday parties as part of an eccentric effort to raise awareness for endangered wild tigers, later sparking headlines when a collection of expensive art tigers was stolen from his New York property. That's some cartel kingpin bullshit. That's something like when you go down to like the barrio that you're not allowed to go to down in fucking Mexico, out in the foothills, where some guy's been living for 40 years, living off of cocaine revenue, just has this open air party where maybe some people, when they say the wrong thing, get shot in the back and never heard from again, where everyone's partying. There's fucking, you know, Don Diablo's there playing, shout out Don Diablo. He's paid a lot of money to do this. I'm sure pure spec obviously never happened, but you know, maybe Flow Ride is there. I don't know. I don't know. Flow Ride would be there. And they're just performing. They're just performing, getting the people going, a little sexy time on the dance floor. Yeah. And then in the middle, you have some dude in the middle of one of them cages. Yeah. And he's got some really like couple hot strippers next to him. And they're blowing, the strippers are blowing like the fire through the bubble thing. And then next to them in the cage is like tigers, like tigers roaring. And he says, we're here to save the tigers. And then someone's like, he goes to feed the tiger. He's like, that's the last guy. That's right. You know, it's like, you know, same, same way that Pablo Escobar was trying to save the hippos. That's definitely what he was doing. Well, there was a heist involved with this too. Oh no. You see this? There was, um. Give it to me, Joey Deef. Yeah. I mean, uh, yeah. Um, the Global Tiger Fund, Zampoli commissioned artists to decorate roughly 75 ceramic and fiberglass art tigers intended to be sold to benefit wildlife conservation. In 2012, December, a brazen daylight heist occurred at a Gramercy Park area property in Manhattan. Ooh, she was living there then. Thieves stole around 18 of the expensive ceramic and fiberglass tiger statues while neighbors watched. While neighbors watched? They're probably like, they're like, ah, fuck them. They're like, you know what? You guys, there's, there's 10 more in there. They're like, oh, it could be a moving crew. And it's like clearly burglars with like shysties on. They're like, no, he's a fucking asshole. Let, let them clean him out. Uh, also, there's a real height difference between these two, too. Side note. She's taller? No. That's kind of, I kind of, I think that's kind of cool sometimes. Can you Google that? I mean, it's, it's a big difference. Yeah. We're not, we're not talking like two, three inches here. I was just thinking about. He's like Mussolini. Yeah. You're working with some tough geometry there. Look at that. Let's get that first one right there. That's probably why he's trying to take over the world. It's just, you know, not tall enough. I don't know. I don't know. That's what Matt Cox says. Don't shoot the messenger. My friend Matt Cox, you know, says always look out for us short people. Yeah. He looks like a mobster. Yeah. We got a bone there. He does look like a mobster. Like he, he looks like he is like the, the union head for some construction union. Social jobs everywhere. Yep. 100%. He's like, listen, you know, we're projected 12 months on the project. Fuck it. 38. That's right. They're like 38 months. He's like, yeah, fuck it. Fuck it. These guys need jobs. We're going to give them jobs. He's even got the, the Italian accent too, because he's from there. So he could be like one of the imports. Yeah. Real Furio Junta. This isn't pure spec. I don't trust him. Yeah. Yeah. That's not pure spec. I don't trust him either. But anyway. Back to what Amanda was saying. So they're selling a bunch of passports for 250. Then she threw in something. I was like, you know, this is, and I kept going, this is Zoom. I just can't, but she's like, yeah, that's why China killed that one guy for giving out a passport or something like that to him. Maybe it was like a bad passport. I don't know. But that was like a real little TMZ moment in the middle of there. They're like, oh, I guess, I guess there's some blood, guts and gore in the UN too. Chinese man gets. It's death. No, no, no. That's not it. It's, it's some, it was someone at the UN from some other country. And she just very casually was like, that's why the Chinese kill him. Pure spec. Yeah. I don't know. They do that. I've heard some things, but that's, you know, that is what it is. But like I said, until she runs into Guilin at the UN, she had never seen her and spoken to her during the, during that time. Period. The 13 years since the plane ride. And she, she didn't have like a close relationship with Guilin at the UN. She mentioned like seeing her at some of the cocktail parties and stuff like that. And it was like a casual, yes, no, you obviously like she knew Paolo knew Guilin pretty well. More on that in a minute. But she didn't speak about Epstein with Paolo at all. And she only spoke. She only spoke with Paolo about Guilin when she found the, and this is some years after that, after 2014, when she found the emails between Guilin and Paolo. And Paolo had, had said publicly, like when she found these emails, this was, this was after COVID. So Paolo at that point had apparently, according to Amanda said publicly like, oh no, I barely knew Guilin, whatever. It's just, you know, that. And then when Amanda. Amanda, I'll get to that in a minute. I don't know if she got this, but when she got the emails, she saw that they were talking like, oh, where are you going in June or whatever? Like talking as friends, a lot of back and forth, like about social life and things they were doing. So he was not being honest about that. But what happened was in 2015, she goes to separate from Paolo and she moves out and they eventually come to a separation agreement in 2018. And as, and as a result, she's gone. So part of that agreement, according to Amanda, he was, he was going to agree to help get her, her green card and visa and a bunch of that stuff to basically keep her immigration status kosher here in America. Yeah. That never happens. He doesn't get her any of that stuff. And so then COVID hits and he's calling her, begging her to come, like, at least move back in. He said that he'll get, according to her, he'll give her a floor. Of that, you know, very big place in Grand Mercy Park that he has, and he'll live on a different floor or whatever. Eventually she gives in, you know, cause she has a son with the guy too, and moves in and she's with him. She describes herself as in a relationship with him. Again, maybe this is like 2020. So she said it got really bad in 2021 and 2022. She alleges, I want to leave that part open-ended, but she just alleges it was really bad. And he has, I'll say, a not good personality to live with. We'll put it that way. I'll let you guys kind of fill in the blanks. And, you know, she had mentioned when, that she had been to, like, some of the years get a little weird, like, when she's with him, when she's not. To be frank with you, like, we just have that one separation agreement in 2018, but, like, is it on, is it off? I'm a little unclear on all that. So I don't want to, like, give it concrete. It was definitely from the beginning. From this time to that time. So let me just say, between 2015 and 2023 is a very foggy time period for their relationship. But there's times when she's with him, times when she's not. And then there's agreement in the middle that he's going to help her with immigration, and he does not. So she, you know, in 21, 22, he was banging other women. You know, he would have, she alleges that he would have some ladies of the night over. Do with that what you will. Kind of thing. And eventually, in 2023, she leaves altogether, and she moves to Miami. And as far as I can tell from what she said, she takes her son with her there. I don't know what the setup was with Paolo seeing her son, you know, on and off during that time period, like, as his father. I'm not sure. But some of the part that we're going to keep off record involved. The arrest, and I believe that was May or June 2025, of her and her now husband. So she went down to Miami, and she alleges she was dating someone. I won't say who it was. And Paolo sent a couple Russian guys to beat him up, broke a bunch of ribs. And she broke up with the guy because she's like, he's going to kill you. That's what she alleged. And so then she ends up dating this doctor. Falls in love with this doctor. Marries him. He has a clinic where he does a bunch of cosmetic stuff. And she explains some other things that he does. And I was a little unclear on it. So I don't want to go into that and get it wrong. But long story short, they get arrested. It's billed as fraud. We've reported on that on the show. I still don't know what to think of this whole thing. She did say. I'm trying to think. I'm going to leave some. her claims around that off the record as well i'm going to be safe with that because i i feel like that can get into some territory of things that she doesn't want to talk about but essentially she was arrested she believes in this part she did want me to talk about she believes that paulo was behind it she had seen emails of paulo email she alleges emailing the prosecutor in this case pushing for these charges and by the way that was another thing i don't know if this is going to be a jump cut here maybe it will be maybe it won't i'll have amanda look at this because i don't know if this is i think this is on record but i i want to be careful with that she went in in 2022 2023 something like that and raided paulo's office yeah i think we're going to be getting the cut here folks uh i think we're going to be getting the cut here folks not well then enjoy oh what was the line she said to me she goes oh you think you're crazy i'll show you what crazy i'll show you what crazy is yeah yeah so she does that and that's where she finds a lot of these emails that are going back and forth in correspondence and one of the things that she alleges is that paulo was trying to blackmail or strong arm the brazilian ambassador because she had gone to the brazilian embassy and complained about abuse and sought to get help because he also wasn't getting her a green card and everything and so he was trying to hold one over her and so as a part of that she also i don't know if it was from that raid or later but she maybe it had something to do with something i won't talk about but she alleges that she saw emails where paulo was conferring with the prosecutor to try to bring about these charges because again she's now married to another doctor no one else can have her only paulo can and so they go and throw a bunch of charges at the doctor and also at her they throw her in jail she describes this i believe is like when she was still in jail in june 20 25 and this was one part like there's a little language barrier here obviously like she she amanda speaks english well but not perfectly i'd say and so there was one part where she had said earlier like she was out on bail but then later said no i was in jail when ice came to get her and when i clarified that whether she says that ice got her from jail while she was trying to make bail i believe that's how she put it so that's what i'm going with it's a it's very this part gets a lot more complicated than what i'm going to talk about in this video but i'm going to talk about a lot more complicated than what i'm going to talk about in this video i'm going to talk about ice gets her and then she's being held by ice and what she alleges is that in august of 2025 she reached out through an intermediary to melania trump for help and melania did not give her any help whatsoever and so she was like fuck this and so in august in in october she's in front of the judge in this part i have not seen reported anywhere in fact i don't think our report said this at all at this point again she's been held by ice and i'm going to get back to where paulo plays a role in that but at this point she asked the judge to deport her and the reason was she feared for her life there had been reports obviously we hadn't gotten the epstein files released yet but there have been reports about long-standing reports about paulo and his ties to epstein and this whole network and all that and she said i fear for my life just deport me this is what she told me i don't know maybe some of our sleuths out there can go get court records of this i don't even know if that exists that way above my pay grade but this is what she told me and she was then sent to louisiana maybe like the next day and deported to brazil paulo is alleged and he has been publicly alleged and there's a lot here i think that supports that to have called in a favor to someone high up at ice because paulo has some fake prestige worldwide job it's technically not fake but to you and me it's fake with the white house that makes a special envoy to some bullshit and so he uses his connection calls up this guy can we pull up that warren letter and type in find next zampoli and we'll get to the paragraph where i can read this out but he leans on this ice guy and says the mother of my kid is running into problems and she doesn't have a green card and whatever and you should look at it and that is what caused ice to look at her case and to take her as i understand it in the first place so this is from a letter that senator elizabeth warren also known as pocahontas in some circles joey def sent to who did she send this to this was to this was to this was to the guy himself yeah yeah to david venerella who is now the acting director of ice he was not at the time but he was high up at ice when she sent this letter he was acting director and in the letter she says i'm also concerned by other reports of your behavior you allegedly called ice officials in miami for a personal or political favor to detain a brazilian woman referring to amanda before she before she was able to post bail that woman was the ex-wife of paulo zampoli a longtime trump associate and extraordinary and a longtime trump associate an ally who was embroiled in a custody battle if true these allegations would be an inappropriate and extraordinary abuse of power they've raised profound concerns about your judgment and your willingness to weaponize federal immigration enforcement to insist politically connected to assist politically connected allies of the president amanda says that because paulo did this it was a leverage play and she also spoke around i think it was around the time that she spoke to melania she spoke to paulo as well and paulo again this is right in that tony soprano pattern i'm putting together what do you think paulo said to her he said all right here's what you're gonna do he started helping her and he said just blame the whole thing on the doctor and he's gonna go to prison and what happens when he goes to prison well now she don't have a husband and that was her ticket out accorded this is what amanda alleges paulo was giving her a ticket out saying yeah we'll take care of it and you'll be fine and she said her exact line was she said so i say no i stay in prison like like no hesitation like that's what it was and you know what sticking by her man i'll that's that's that's on some principles right there because i was at a high risk to herself if that allegation is true to do that so then it ends up with her being deported in october and that was because she was worried that paulo was trying to kill her so i said i was going to bring this back on the timeline after we went through all that and i got some of that cleared up again some of it like i said it's still fogging to me i went back to the epstein melania trump alleged connection here which is what brought amanda and garo into the spotlight in april so amanda had started tweeting things publicly making some claims about i'm paraphrasing knowing where the bodies are buried went viral on twitter she was talking directly to melania then melania comes out and gives that six minute speech which we covered here on this show where she goes i am here to support the victims they need to be heard in the senate and congress and it's like okay where's this energy been for a long time strange trump donald trump claimed that at the time that he didn't know she was even going to do that that was kind of interesting whether or not that's true or not it's interesting no matter what and it would suggest that melania trump it strongly suggested to me at the time and it continues to suggest to me that melania trump was concerned about things amanda and garo could say now that doesn't mean she's concerned that amanda and garo has proof or would come out with some proof that like melania was introduced to trump by epstein i'm going to get to what amanda said about that in a minute because she was again when she's incentivized to say some things she doesn't she doesn't that's interesting that's a check mark in the that feels somewhat honest to me box because you never know with these situations and and i i haven't had a chance to sit down with her in person and whatever obviously she's in brazil it's like you don't know what to believe in these circles no matter who it is but endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at netflix.com slash house tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25% off gross store prices beef jerky microwave meals laundry pods even they can't screw up have you met my kids and with bj's gas she gets there for less they call me the road warrior this is your home road warrior mom home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save she said i said when did you meet melania trump and she said on the plane and i and i went what it's like she goes no no no trump's plane i was like all right you gotta say that he can't say the plane when he just told me you got to the united states on the lolita express i almost fucking i was like did we get that what the fuck but anyway so it was on trump's plane because when she was dating you they would hang out with trump they would go on his jet she mentioned dinners at cipriani where have we covered that joey d i think we covered some dinners at cipriani that happened on this show for sure but you know she very specifically said that and so she met melania on the plane and i said when you were with melania on the plane at this time amanda's around 18 19 years old i said did you ask her how she met donald and she said no she goes but i was at some sort of cocktail reception in that time period with with trump and and paulo and paulo in a way of like i don't know trying to brag to her said to donald he goes donald tell tell amanda how you met melania and allegedly trump said oh well it was paulo that introduced us and amanda said i didn't believe that for a second but that's what was said to her and so that's what she reported and that has been reported in the past that it was paulo zampoli who introduced melania to donald which would mean if that's true it was not epstein himself which would at least remove that as a potential scandalous event it still makes you wonder why melania came out and suddenly said something like that when amanda started talking so what what other things could be there that amanda could know and when i kind of broached that topic with her she didn't like give me salacious shit or like oh i know that this happened again she was very much like i don't know there's another thing that she mentioned that we are going to keep off the record that again wasn't didn't involve amanda making a clear claim as it pertains to anything related to melania and trump with epstein at all so again interesting she did wonder like she mentioned when melania first came to the united states which was shortly before amanda did she was very well to do and put together and what amanda meant by that she's like models that came over here they they weren't they didn't wear all the highest end stuff and yeah you know allegedly live in a nice place and stuff like that you know it's not like they looked homeless or anything they're models to be clear but like the insinuation was that melania she went like this that's what amanda did yeah could be innocent could not she thought that was interesting i want to continue the conversation with amanda this was like a good start i have a lot more questions i would imagine you guys are going to comment some questions down below some open-ended questions you want again as i said a few minutes ago i i haven't had a chance to sit with her face to face and and you know might have to go to brazil yeah through the human lie detector thing and all that it's there's a lot of weird shit and there were there's some stuff i kept off record in there as it pertains to other things that i i don't know i don't know if i'm going to be able to do that i don't think are related in any way to it certainly the epstein case but matters at hand here but you know she she's had an interesting very interesting life and has definitely seen some things that maybe could be helpful to investigations maybe could not but i do want to say and amanda is obviously going to see this before i put it out so she's hearing me say everything i'm telling you right now fan of the show by the way joey d fan of the show i think she's a fan of joey d i think that's why she watches can you blame her but i i couldn't blame her but you know definitely amanda definitely has a bone to pick with paolo and i understand that and so you wonder where maybe some bias could come in on that but again when she has a chance to put him dead to rights on the stuff that is the soup du jour of the moment that we would all eat up she does not and she's incentivized to so just keep that in mind but interesting conversation and i'm sure we'll cover that some more moving forward but i mentioned at the outset my very good friend longtime friend one of my few friends in in my industry actually i don't know a ton of people in this industry yet is danny jones danny jones has an amazing show down in florida i've been on it a few times with him as well and he's actually coming up here to be on my show and he's going to be on my show and he's going to be on my show again sometime soon so looking forward to that but danny loves touching the fucking boiling coffee until his finger burns a little bit he loves getting down in the nitty-gritty with things and and he does some podcasts sometimes that i'm like i can't believe you did that one but he's just got he's got some he's got a serious set of balls on him and so he had in this guy you've all aviv which actually we've talked about this before but when we designed this studio the theme was new york city so on do we have camera five i'm cut this in all right yeah you can cut that in as well but we have on the on the wall back here and it's funny because this wall actually faces the hudson river so it faces manhattan but we have on the wall the new york city skyline and that was like thematically what we were trying to do so over here on the wall there's these beautiful shots at the end of the movie munich made in 2005 by by spielberg where eric bana and jeffrey rush's characters are standing on the brooklyn side looking at the east river in 1970s new york with new york on the skyline so we have a double shot of that moment in the film and i say this because you've all aviv is alleged to be eric bana in that movie so a little bit of a whoa there it is if you've never seen the movie munich it is a great movie i do have to say and it is based on true events i think the the opening scene says this is fictionalized or something it's not if if if you look at the history read the book rising gil first by ronan bergman and you'll understand that this movie which is about what is it operation midnight hammer i think it was called can you double check that thief but this this film that they made in 05 is about the events of operation wrath and god operation wrath of god i'm sorry midnight hammer was the iran war thing right that was definitely yeah it was like last summer yeah yeah yeah that was operation wrath of god yeah yeah but it is about the israel's response to the 1972 terrorist attack at the olympics where black september members associated with the palestinian plo kidnapped and then killed the israeli athletes i want to say it was like nine athletes nine i think i think it was nine athletes that they killed at the time of the hostages and so those games were in munich germany and as a result golda meyer who was the prime minister at the time allegedly authorized a massad assassin kill squad to go find all the organizers from black september who were responsible for this and kill them regardless of where they were allegedly at the time this is what they were they report massad had had a policy of not assassinating people in europe and in ally countries not so sure if i believe that but they did waive that allegedly for this mission and so back in the 80s a book comes out called vengeance and it's written i can't remember if he did it under a pen name at the time but it's an author you know a writer who wrote it with yuval aviv who may have been still under a pen name george jones right okay was that the pen name or was that no that's that's just it just says it's by george jonas george jones no yeah he he's a real guy so he probably wrote it alongside him right so he writes this book where he describes this mission and what what he did over a three-year period the book ends up becoming the movie munich there's a lot of controversy about yuval aviv where he's been denied over the years massad was like he was a janitor didn't work for us things like that i don't think that's the case because the book gets the details of what really happened on these various hits that they did in places like rome paris lebanon it it seems to get them very accurately and he wrote this back in in the 80s and so yuval aviv came when he was done that mission moved to america to new york and actually and this is shown in the movie munich ran into problems where the israelis were trying to get him back and they were you know they were watching his his his daughter when she would leave the apartment and stuff and he flipped out about that and so you know they obviously i don't remember what it was but they came to some sort of understand i do remember what it was now but they came to it's covered in danny's podcast they came to some sort of understanding and then allegedly they stopped bothering him and then he took a bunch of he started a private detective company in america and started taking some serious contracts globally but particularly for working with the united states government which was part of the vetting process that steven spielberg did when he went to make the movie about whether or not yuval aviv was real he was able to i believe get access to like government documents that show yuval aviv's affiliation with united states intelligence on like a contract basis and listed as israeli intelligence in doing that so cue the comments on this one obviously there's a lot going on there but danny jones does this explosive podcast with yuval and and and i i called danny afterwards i said danny your second podcast with yuval was absolutely amazing it was early in the morning so it took him a minute he's like what i only do one part what are you talking about i said no no you did two podcasts i said the first one sucked he's like what are you talking about and i said danny you covered the entire operation wrath of god in like the first 10 minutes and then and then had this amazing podcast and all the other stuff you should have spent three and a half hours on that to get him i don't know catch him in a lie do something you know but he's like i didn't really want to talk about it so hopefully danny jones gets yuval back in there and they can really give that one a right and proper podcast on the internet the actual wrath of god mission and all the guys they went to kill but the rest of the podcast went through a lot of the work that yuval has done in his career with what's the name of that company on his wikipedia again in in infosec or something it's the his his private investigation interfer international and you know i think it's probably a mixed bag i think there's some places where he talks a big game and doesn't have the receipts maybe some other places where he really does have receipts and really did do things i had looked at into this guy actually like years ago because i the movie munich i i think is is a great movie i was just always curious about that backstory and i i do i do think he was on that team open to being wrong about that but i do think he was he was on that massad team for sure and then you look at like some of the work he did and i already mentioned some affiliated with the united government in the years after when that mission would have been, it would suggest this is someone who knows his way around and knows how to do some things. But Danny Jones, of course, broached the topic at hand of Jeffrey Epstein, the Epstein files, and Yuval was willing to talk about this to some extent. I'm trying to think because I talked with Danny off air, obviously, about this. So I don't, I don't want to say some of the other stuff, but what you saw on air was Yuval addressing some of this. And I want to start with the, could I guess it clip? This is tier one, top tier prime, perfect, perfect fucking hosting from one Danny Jones. Let's let this play. That evidence, you know, we got a bunch of emails and stuff, and there was lots of redactions. They said they were only going to redact the victims, but they redacted way more than just the victims. They redacted like big names of like sheiks and oil executives and all. It's very interesting. The people that they didn't redact and the people that did redact, if you really like read between the lines and look at it, but of course, of course, like that's not the real evidence. The real evidence is on the hard drives because there's, there's survivors. There's girls that were there that testified that he had rooms as a victim right now that were filled with servers and computers and monitors that were recording all that footage that he had, not only on the Island, but in New York, the Zorro Ranch, everywhere. On a plane, the plane was wrecked. Where's all that footage? I can't tell you. Really? Yeah. Can I guess? No, please don't. Not now. So that's why I said the days. Let me ask you this. The day, the day, the day it will come out is important. It has to be the right time, the right day. Let me ask you this. I'm sorry to put a legendary Mossad assassin on the hot seat, but if I was to guess, do you think I would guess right? Probably. That's why we shouldn't talk about it right now. All right. That's a, that's a wild clip, bro. That's a wild clip. Now devil's advocate. We could be sitting here at home going, that guy, he's just trying to act like he knows something he doesn't, but like the way, and again, I know some context here also off air, which I'm not saying, but like the way that he chained up on that. And was like simultaneously friendly about it, but then also Kurt, like let's move on on this, you know, but then, Ooh, God, I don't even know. I don't know how to talk about that one. That just was wild to me. I want to hear what you guys think of that down below. Cause obviously, and this is a very fair question. Whenever you see any of these spooky people on podcasts, I've talked about it on my own podcast before with guys like Pustamante have been on here, even Kiriakou and stuff like that. I've talked about it on my own podcast before with guys like Pustamante have been on here, even Kiriakou and stuff like that. You always have to ask the question. Why the fuck are they on a podcast? Now Kiriakou, I've always viewed as different because he's a full-blown dissident and they threw him in prison. And some people still speculate, Hey, once CIA, always CIA. I genuinely don't think he is at all. John, John's great. It would break my heart if he was, because like John is fucking electric and very brave for some of the shit he says. Whereas like Andy, another friend of mine, I've always thought Andy Pustamante still was CIA. In fact, I've said this before. I think Andy, if he took a polygraph and you asked him, and let's say he doesn't know how to cheat on a polygraph. Okay. If he took a polygraph without knowing how to cheat and you asked him, do you still work for CIA? I think he would be able to say no and pass. And you say, well, why is that? Because I think it's a semantics question. There was one big tell. I don't know if I've ever said this, but there was one big tell that Andy had to me. The first few times. I ever had him in to record. And this is years ago in my parents' house. You know, my podcasts are extremely free flowing. That's what we do. And when guests come on now, they, they know that. And even back then, like a lot of them knew that was my style. Cause I'd discuss it on the phone and some people, you know, they want more of a plan and I'd just be like, don't worry about it. And they'd be a little nervous about it. Other people, they just go with it to this day. Some people still want the plan. We were getting a text earlier. From someone who's like, what are we going to talk about? I'm like, I don't know. You're great. We'll have fun. And it just always works out. But with Andy, he was cool with that. He was one of the guys like, all right, dude, sounds good. But there was one topic that before episode 97, I remember in my car when I was driving him back from the airport to go record it. And then before episode 107, when he got over to the house, there was one topic that he was obsessed with talking about that he wanted me to ask him about. And I was like, actually, I'm very interested in that. So I did. And that was the movement of the intelligence apparatus from government to the private sector. And what he meant by that is there, especially under Trump term one, but even well before that, there was a big move to where guys would come cut their teeth in CIA, be, you know, do all this important work, be sitting at their desk at Langley on a Friday, accept a job with fucking, I'll just insert the name of a company here, Lockheed on Friday afternoon, walk out of CIA, hand in their lanyard, walk back in Monday morning, and instead of making $89,000 at CIA, they're now making $689,000 at Lockheed. They're handed the same lanyard and taken to the same desk or one right next to it, fully read in, able to do everything they do, but now they are not listed as an employee of the CIA and therefore of the United States government. They are now listed as a private contractor, hired by CIA, which, by the way, when you look at every public figure from president on down in the government, all their salaries, as far as I know, are i don't know if it's all the way down but like it it's it's in the public domain like you can know what people make is that am i saying that correctly yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm pretty positive on that too all right so endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at netflix.com slash house people would be complaining if they found out like the director of cia was being paid nine million dollars right they'd be like our taxpayer money's paying a guy what they're paying this starting fucking small small forward on the sixers like maybe not maybe not lebron but actually lebron's making less than that now with the sixers you see he didn't take a helicopter to work every day he is taking a helicopter to work have we not learned people don't do that joey d just have we not i just need one title i need one title for my sixers before he goes everyone stop doing that but yes i i don't love lebron taking a helicopter yeah every sorry to get us off but i i forgot he's my small forward now i'm very excited about that but anyway you know people would not be happy about that but when it's reported on the sheet that like x number of hundreds of millions of dollars went to and it lists off a laundry list of stuff private contracting contracts for defense contracts for whatever you don't see that why amount of that was used for this nine million dollar salary for that guy that were you see what i mean it's like you get to hide it in the noise and so andy wanted to talk about this a lot and part of the reason was because you know he he as a good employee of the united states government or a good spokesman for them is very worried about intelligence leaks and things like that he doesn't like edward snowden and shit like that which obviously he and i have disagreed with plenty on the in the past he said a lot of that stuff comes out from the fact that there is such a boomerang relationship with the private sector where guys now come in and then they get information and they they walk out of the office with it so that being said when that was a little tangent right there but when you see all these guys whether it be a cia guy i'm a sod guy or whatever i'm thinking the same thing you guys do out there and you're right to think it's like all right what what are they doing here and all that and you have to think that with yuval to my knowledge yuval aviv to my knowledge yuval has never done a major podcast before though like danny called me when he got that one he's like you're not gonna believe who i got i'm like who'd you get and he said yuval and i'm like eric banner from munich he's like yeah that'll be interesting so people you know some people were giving danny shit for even talking with him but i would highly recommend you listen to it because there was some serious alpha including another spot where i feel like if yuval actually even knows anything about this and i am skeptical on this one i feel like this is a little bit of coverage right here can we play the uh dead one here we go do you know he's dead i'm telling you he's dead and you know for an absolute fact that he's absolute fact he's dead how do you think he died oh he was killed oh yes i can tell you he was killed it was arranged for somebody from the outside to go into his cell and kill him why wouldn't they just have that big jacked gorilla guy who like was a cop killer not kill him no no because he wouldn't do it he's referring to the cellmate he would do it and they didn't they needed it be done professionally they need to be done professionally okay pause that real quick is it the the he wouldn't do it he wouldn't do it thing i'm not that part i'm not tracking on like he just repeats it for effect and then tries to move on i'm not tracking on that why the guy he's referring to was a cop who like fucking dirty cop and murdered murdered was convicted for it later murdered like four people executed them and some drug deal gone bad like the guy was a stone cold killer he didn't really have a lot to lose in there at the time like he could have done that for sure i'm i'm taking it not as like he couldn't do it as in like hey guy i can't do the job for you i was taken in it as like him saying like he wouldn't be the one to do it like they need one of their like guys whoever they is and it needs to be professional and clean like that's what i take it as maybe but don't you this is where i play devil's advocate even though jeffrey epstein was the most infamous federal prisoner maybe ever yeah by the stakes at that time don't you think it's just cleaner if some psycho that he was next to just fucking kills him i think that when we say that and have that thought that's we're not at a high enough level like that's not how they they think they they know we're gonna think that way so that's not how they're gonna carry it out a little 5d chess i mean i hate to be the guy throwing around 5d chess but yeah well it's just super high level shit so like that's what we would say because we think critically and we try to look at these things and they're like okay well we need to go a step above okay could be wrong let's let it play professional assassin to come in do it and get away and that's it and that person doesn't is not doesn't live in america and is not an american anymore you know who that person is maybe you don't think it's possible that there was any way to extract him from that prison through like some secret no no no no you have a story about those tunnels of those doors secret doors now this is an old building that they kept the notorious he he's deflecting right there because also like to be clear andy bustamante on his show that i went out and did with him on discovery channel showed that there is there is an extra schematic on the cell that he was in that is not listed on the literal bureau of prisons schematic of the of the actual layout itself that was provably there there was a full-blown vent that he absolutely one of two things could happen you could have switched out his body or you also well you also could have used it as cover to be able to kill him back in the corner and you can't see it from the window which we demonstrated on that show and so for him to like poo poo oh the tunnels no no no tunnels it's a literal air vent area and then you don't have to get him out in a tunnel like the way andy described how that mission would go mission off camera to me was so eerily simple like he was he was like oh no you just do this yeah no i as if he was and i know with his backstory like there are some things he's remembering remembering just some simple ways that they got guys out of very difficult to get out of places around the world at the agency and it's like yeah i i don't buy the poo-pooing let's keep it going mafia people that if there was a secret door believe me they would have been whisked out of there by their own people uh no no no no no this is all good stories that the media is seeking and somebody's out there selling it and the rumors are out there no this it's too obvious a man died so they had he had to die let me play the devil's advocate with you real quick um if i'm jeffrey epstein and i'm going through the shit i'm going through throughout the 2000s and up to 2019 fighting all this stuff um you know against the most powerful people in the world who obviously want me dead i'm gonna have some sort of a dead man switch meaning i'm gonna have some sort of situation set up where i have somebody who's disconnected from me and another on the opposite end of the country who has access to the blackmail that knows the second you see that i'm dead you release it and you want to let the people know that are threatening you that that's going to happen if they kill you it's a good why wouldn't you have that why because that's the that's the biggest question that i have stupid epstein why didn't you create it and the answer my answer to it is he was so sure that he survived the first attempt of his arrest in miami got a slap on the hand that just it's a question of days that the powers wherever they are including the white house and some other places that they will make sure that he will they will find a way to release him and to send him out and and give him a probation or whatever or maybe even pardon him and so on there is a rumor and i stipulate a rumor that he was promised that he will be pardoned by the president by trump yeah and if it's true It was good enough for him because he believed that Trump should pardon him and would pardon him. That he doesn't have to do anything, just stay there quiet for another few days and in the cell. Okay, pause that. And the people who. I love rumors. It's a rumor. I love rumors. It's pretty crazy. And it is pretty crazy. I don't buy that he's way too sure of a lack of dead man's switch. Yeah, he was so sure of himself. Listen, obviously, Epstein got that sweetheart deal in '08 that was total bullshit where he went to the office every day and was still doing his whole thing. But even that doesn't happen to people like him. Yeah. No. There's no way, no way, because he did get careless. He got very careless in the buildup to '05 when that investigation started. He got very, very, very careless with things and was doing things so out in the open that it was impossible for people with basic common sense in the area, including law enforcement, to not see it. You can't tell me that he didn't batten up the hatches a little bit after that whole fake prison stint and all that. There's no fucking way. I agree. So I don't buy that. But Yuval Aviv was also directly. Let me restate that. He was at the highest level indirectly connected to Epstein in some of the work that he was contracted to do. Let's play that third clip right here. This was interesting. Explain to the audience how you originally met Ghislaine Maxwell. Okay. I had an office in New York, in London. I had offices all over the world for my job. For my business. For the Interfor business. We do too, Joey. For my private investigating firm. We're opening up everywhere worldwide. At one point, I had a front store, an antique store, in the middle of London. That was my office, and the store was a pretext of some stuff that we were involved in. I was selling antiques, but I was not selling the antiques. I had real, unbelievable antiques that I got. I wish I sold them. The reason I needed the antique store is because when you have an antique store, you have a warehouse. A big warehouse. You need a warehouse. You keep the merchandise until you bring them to the store. Right. That's right. And in that warehouse, we kept a lot of stuff in concealed components of the antique's furniture. Drawers that nobody knew existed, and there was stuff in it, and so on and so forth. I'm sitting in my office, in the showroom, and I'm thinking about doing some operations. Suddenly, I look, and a young, attractive, very attractive girl walks into, starts looking around at the antique, and I realize she's not really interested in the antique, but she's just walking around pretending she's interested. Then she approached me, and she said, "Can I talk to you privately, please?" I said, "Yes." And I had the brownstone. The store was downstairs, and my apartment was upstairs. Apartment and office was upstairs on the second floor. So I go up with her to the second floor, and she says, "Mr. Aviv, I know who you are. I know about your background. I would like to hire you." And I said, "Who are you?" She says, "I'm Ghislaine Maxwell." Okay. Pause it right there. "You know my father." So, would highly recommend. Highly recommend you go watch this whole podcast on Danny Jones' show. But essentially, I wanted to kind of lay the espionage groundwork of that one right there with what he said. That's kind of wild. But Ghislaine Maxwell approached Yuval Aviv after her father, Robert Maxwell, had died. And to review for people out there who are unfamiliar with this, Robert Maxwell was a major league media honcho. Around the world, but out of Britain, who was a well-known spy for KGB, MI6, and most notably, Mossad. He was a guy who worked in a lot of different places. He was buried five days after his death on the Mount of Olives in Israel, which is reserved for the highest heads of state and the highest rabbis. So do with that what you will. I think it's pretty clear, like, who he mainly worked for. And so his death, obviously. continues to be a giant mystery. He went and took his yacht out into those, I think the Canary Islands off the coast of West Africa, got up in the middle of the night, maybe to take a piss or something on the back of the boat and drowned. And they say, like, he committed unaliving himself. I don't believe that. And he left behind, I've covered this many times, but he left behind a 400, roughly $450 million quote unquote pension scam. It was the Daily Mirror, I believe, thief, but just double check that, and was destitute, which makes no sense, makes absolutely no sense that he would do that. This was a guy with many businesses and, you know, part of the reason I say it makes no sense is because his sons who ran the business with him were later tried in Britain. Wealthy scions later tried for this enormous fraud where all these people lost their money and they were found not guilty, which should tell you a lot. You know, those are the kinds of cases that are usually slam dunk because people want, you know, they want their weight in blood from rich people stealing from them and stuff like that. But Ghislaine Maxwell never believed her father unalived himself, and I actually agree with Ghislaine Maxwell on that. And so Yuval Aviv says that she, that he was hired to investigate who killed her father. Obviously, he wasn't quite able to. I guess, determine that to the point that someone could go to court for it. But in doing so, and this is what he describes in that clip, Ghislaine Maxwell specifically told him to not investigate, according to Yuval Aviv, Robert Maxwell's connection to Jeffrey Epstein, which is just wild. Robert Maxwell is widely reported to have literally intervened. Introduce his daughter, Ghislaine, to Jeffrey. Robert Maxwell is a guy that was, you know, again, I told you he's around the world, but he was shaking hands with people in powerful places all over New York when he was alive, especially in the 1980s. And you know, this is a guy who is constantly forgotten about, but is a key center of the story. So I find it fascinating that Ghislaine would go to a guy. Who is purported to be this legendary Mossad assassin and hire him to figure out who killed her father when she then picked up the mantle from her father in a way and continued to run in my estimation, an intelligence related multi-intelligence related blackmail operation with Jeffrey Epstein after her father's death, essentially doing the same kinds of things I mean that in the broad sense of the word that her own father did while looking to investigate the people who killed her father, who were probably among the people she worked for. And in hiring someone to look into this connection was someone who also worked for them at one point and continued to work on a contractual basis for people involved with American intelligence in the American government. Me, of course, referring to Yuval Aviv here. Very, very interesting connotations. Again, I think you have to take some of what Yuval Aviv says with a grain of salt. I feel like there's some things that he probably talks a big game and you do have to wonder just as Danny Jones wonders, like, why is he going on Danny Jones? You know, like, why is he agreeing to do that? But it's very fascinating. The things he said, the things he alleges as it pertains to Epstein, and it just continues to show potentially. How wide the reach was with this guy. Like, that's what I worry about. If it's like, there's so much noise, you can't possibly keep track of it. Whether it's arms dealing, sex trafficking, fucking working with foreign diplomats, working on bio weapons, working on whatever it may be. There's so many layers to it that you can just kind of miss the, the, the, the house for the trees, you know? Yeah. And then just crush some Instagram reels, order Grubhub, and just forget it all ever happened. Just forget it all ever happened. Nothing's real. Nothing's real. Nothing ever happens. It's, it's absolutely what you see is not what you see, but I don't know, to be continued on that. We didn't even get to the economic stuff today. We're going to do that next week. Yeah. Cause that's, that's, that's some good shit. 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