#445 - The Banker's Breakaway Civilization & Who Really Runs the World | Catherine Fitts

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I kept being ordered to break the law and I wouldn't, so I left. But I discovered the internet when I was in the administration. So I started an investment bank in Washington and the company was very successful. One of the things we got hired by the next administration to be the lead financial advisor for the Federal Housing Administration and did about $10 billion of mortgage auctions and yet again tried to stop the mortgage fraud and ended up an 11-year litigation with the Department of Justice. And it's one of those enemy of the state, shaggy dog stories. And I come from a world where you try and be as secretive and as private as pot. You know, everything is a conspiracy. So you're just trying to stay secret. And then to win the litigation, I had to go public. And it was frightening. The first time I got on a radio show was 4 million people on a talk show. And I had to talk about money outside of the 21 club and I was like, anyway, but so I had to go public and of course once you do, you can't go back. Now what happened during the litigation was when it was over, we had had, I had discovered early on in the Bush administration that the corporate media is just criminal. There's no point in talking to those people. And so I would get on all these internet, you know, it was the beginning of the internet shows. And I would say, I'd give out my email and say if you have a question, just send it to me. And so the questions grew and grew and grew and grew and finally they grew into the two businesses. I have today one is the salary report and we're a subscription service and our goal is to help our subscribers or tagline is live a free and inspired life. And we're a great believer to be sovereign and to be independent. You have to have independent income. And independent income is the basis of family wealth, community wealth and democracy. So a lot of it's about money and the relationship between money and geopolitics and then the other is salary investment screens. And for 10 years I did an investment advisory company where I worked with families and individuals on protecting their money from fraudsters. And I spent 10 years cleaning up so many people who had been burnt by made-off and Ponzi schemes and you know it's I got what I didn't know about mortgage or financial fraud leaving the US government. I learned the rest there. And then we turned that into investment screen company and we provide investment screens to family offices, asset managers, etc. And so what we're doing is we're screening companies for companies that are fundamentally productive as opposed to criminal enterprises. So it's a way of you know screening crime out of your portfolio. So what is your 30,000-foot view of what's going on in the US economy right now? So the fundamental governance system of the United States is being re-engineered on the just-do-it method and we're going through a process of essentially harvesting the country. So I told you the story of the pension fund advisors the last time. The president of the largest pension fund in the country said to me in 19, the spring of 1997 he said we have given up on the country or they have given up on the country and they are moving all the money out starting in the fall. And that was the fall when the trains of dollars started going missing from the federal government and we literally shifted to what I would describe as an out of control economy where we had one group of people who were above the law and another group of people who had to obey more and more laws. And ever since then we've been watching extraordinary centralization of wealth globally and political control globally but it very much is coming out of the United States. So I was in the George H.W. Bush administration. Bush used to refer to it as moving everything into tighter and right-or-hands. Right so. And who is they? So they you know it's just listen to your interview assignment. So so I Simon talks about the world instead of nation states in cartels and he focuses on the military cartel the financial cartel and the tech cartel but I would say the the day in my experience you run the world is the central bankers and so that's the financial cartel but the central bankers right now are in the middle of a reset so the central banks do a global reset every 80 to 120 years and right now we're in what I call the going direct reset which is a plan that was we talked about it last time put forward by the central bankers in 2019 at Jackson Hole where they meet the G7 central bankers meet there once once a year and and they reviewed a plan prepared by a group of retired central bankers through the BlackRock investment institute called the going direct and and that's when right after they approved that or I shouldn't say they approved that right after they reviewed it they literally went back September was when we went into the repo markets and then the pandemic happened and during that period the Fed injected five to six trillion dollars directly into the economy instead of going through the reserve track they they went direct and it's that five to six trillion that's part of the enormous inflation that you're feeling now and one of the reasons you didn't feel it then was they literally shut down a large part of the small independent income economy so they leave the big guys open they shut down the little guys they inject five trillion dollars in that mostly goes to the big guys who can then go buy up all the little guys land and assets for cheap and steal their market share so it was a massive consolidation and if you look at what they did during that period we're in the sort of second reiteration of that now using energy and trade bottlenecks so you're watching again a massive consolidation of wealth and and political power going up with these different tactics and tricks so it's a it's a fundamental reengineering of the way the global economy works and the way the global financial system works and sort of who's in control so you say that meeting happened in Jackson Hole in 2019 and the plan was to inject trillion dollars into the economy and no they did the well the plan was to to intercede directly and what that means is instead of putting injecting reserves onto the reserve track they buy financial assets from institutions not just reserve banks or or banks in the fed system but from financial institutions and that injects the money directly into the economy but what you have you know think of this simply I shut down all the small businesses and all the small enterprise and whose decision was that to do that to do it that way to shut down all the small businesses on Main Street and keep open all the big you know reach you know all the retail stuff was shut down and basically Amazon was the main thing right so I would so obviously I wasn't in the room but but but my impression is it was the central bankers as well as the people who run the financial system so when I was in Wall Street I was a member as a partner and member of the board of Dylan Reed and and literally so for example the chairman of our firm would come in on the January a strategic meeting and say let me tell you what's going to happen this year and then he would describe what's going to happen that year. For people who don't know what it Dylan Reed. Dylan Reed was a very successful investment bank, very private on Wall Street. Okay. So I was a partner and member of the board. So this guy would walk in and say, "What's going to happen this year?" And the chairman who would do this was Nick Brady, who then became in the Bush administration, Secretary of Treasury. So Nick was a Treasury when I was at the FHA commissioner. And yeah, so Nick would walk in the room and say, "Let me tell you what's going to happen this year." And then he would describe, "What's going to happen this year?" Like in terms of what, like what do you mean, what type of events would he describe? You know, so for example, what we knew at the beginning of 1988 was the SNL scandal was going to break. And a lot of those institutions were going to do down. We'd been through a huge pump in the real estate market and the dump was going to begin. And one of the reasons I wanted to go to Washington is having been on the board and knowing that I knew there was going to be a huge cleanup. So you go through these pump and dump cycles in the market related to the contraction, expansion and contraction of debt. And I knew a dump was coming. And that Washington would be a very interesting place to be during the dump. Right. So I went in on the cleanup team and it was interesting. So when I got to Washington, I bought this big old brownstone right up against Woodley Park. And we had all these, every floor had a balcony that looked over the park. It was various, like these big old New Orleans brownstones. Anyway, so I just happened to be confirmed on the same day that the fire legislation to pass the cleanup for the SNL scandal passed. And so I'm over there. And a friend of mine was suddenly appointed to go into the SEC Richard Breedon. And so and then Bob Glauber was working for Nick over at Treasury, working on the legislation. So so I had invited I had a huge confirmation party. I invited everybody. And they were all finished doing this legislation. And they'd been working around the clock and were exhausted and wanted to celebrate. So I told Bob and Richard, just come on over to my place, bring everybody and we'll just celebrate whatever, you know, I'll celebrate my confirmation. You celebrate passing fire. And Bob said to me, he said, look, I have a guy from Germany who's been working with us on this legislation. You know, he's very important to me. Could you make sure you take really good care from? I said, you're all sitting next to me. So he brings him over and I sit him down next to him. And I said to him, you know, he's a dinner and we're guy with the and I said, well, tell me who you are and what you know. And he explained to me was and I said, well, what do you do? He said, I work for the Warburg Bank in Hamburg, Max Warburg, who I later met. And I thought, oh great, Max is over here. The Warburg is over here writing our cleanup legislation. And sure enough, I was over at the cash room at Treasury. Let me step back. The fire legislation created the resolution trust corporation, which was in charge of resolving all these different bankrupted institutions and portfolios. And there were three board members. One was the Secretary of HUD. So I was appointed by the Secretary of HUD to represent him because I had a financial background. So I'm over at Treasury in the first meeting and there's Nick and Greenspan. So it was Nick, a Secretary of Treasury. Greenspan has had the Fed and then me on behalf of Secretary of HUD. And I got a call from the guy that they had appointed to run the RTC right before I go over the meeting. He's a guy who'd been a partner or been an officer in Solomon Brothers. And he said, Nick and Alan don't want to provide financing for the auctions. And if we don't provide financing, the prices are going to be terrible. And you've got to persuade Nick and Alan that they've got to do financing. So I get over to the cashroom at Treasury for the first meeting and there's Nick and Alan Greenspan and they're talking about this and I realized, oh, everybody who sold their real estate in the bubble at three times wants to buy it back at half price. And that's why they don't want to provide financing. Oh my god. I know. I said, oh, this is really bad. Anyway, we ended up providing financing. Some of us were very persuasive. They provided financing. And so the hole against it sold in three times didn't get it all at half price. But I remember there was one guy, Solomon. Somebody called him and said, you know, we have this office building like a huge new office building. I think it was in Houston. And he didn't want to, I think it was Louis Reiner. He didn't want it. And they said, well, we just need a bid and he said, fine, a million dollars, and they said, sold. So yeah, so he would buy the, you know, three years before it had been, I don't know many millions of dollars. I don't remember the story, but, but it was, it was one of those wilds. If you've ever seen the movie March and call, oh god, Danny, you can't understand the financial system. I'm going to give you a list of movies. I got you to explain the financial system. I don't need. Here's the thing. It's all in the movies. If you own an HVAC plumbing, electrical or contracting business in general, you know doing the actual work is only half the job. You could be under a sink in an attic or driving to your next customer. All wall calls, estimates, schedules, invoices, and new leads are coming in. But that is where House Call Pro comes in. It's business software built specifically for home service professionals. 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And because I've litigated with the Department of Justice for 11 years, I had to really deep dive the covert side of the mortgage fraud. So I'll tell you one of the funny stories was, I'm litigating and some of my attorneys come to me and say, would you record all your recollections of working in the Bush administration? So I did, I recorded 690-minute cassettes of everything in the Bush administration except for the worst two stories. And so I give it to the attorneys and one of the guys who works for me says, can we listen to that? I said, oh, why would you want to listen to that? I said, trust us, we do. And this is before West Wing and the show is about what it's like to work inside the government. So they come back to me. It was two IT web guys and they said, that's the most fascinating thing we ever heard. Can we give it to our friends? Well, one thing leads to another and we made about 100 cassettes, packs of cassettes. This is before and then finally we put it up on the internet. And in fact, the first five are up at Salary. If you look, do a search for camp tapes and you'll find them on our website. And the first one was recorded, I had a core vet and I was driving down the New York State through way in the rain size. The first one is really bad, okay? But two to five are okay. Anyway, and people just wanted to listen, listen, listen, listen. But here's what happened. I'm talking about all the fraud I cleaned up when I was assistant secretary of housing and their wild wild stories swinging billions of dollars. But what happens was all these guys who used to work for the intelligence agencies to do the fraud would listen to the tapes and take pity on me and contact me to tell me about what it was I was cleaning up and how they'd done it and when they'd done it and how all the money was free. You know, one of them told me that Oliver North had said, "How does the candy store of covert revenues?" Right, using mortgage fraud anyway. So anyway, but they would come and teach me about how all this stuff I'd cleaned up had been created and where the money went and all this kind of stuff. Now, here's the thing, these guys are all professional fraudsters. So you never, you can never quite trust everything. But you know, over many, many, many stories of them or from them, you know, you can start to piece together patterns. And I told you this, I think the last time I was here, one of the funniest moments was I used to tell people about the fraud and they couldn't fathom that it was as bad as I was saying. And it was, it was a struggle because here I am, you know, I'm a partner and member of the board of a fine investment bank and then I'm assistant secretary of housing and suddenly nobody believes the word I say. It's very strange when you go through these things. Anyway, so finally in 2000, I try to remember when it was, the soprano TV show did a series of four shows on HUD fraud. And it was the basic single family fraud that destroyed my neighborhood as a kid. That's what first got me interested in mortgage fraud. And because I watched it happen in my neighborhood. And so the soprano TV shows were really good on the basic model. You know, they did a pretty good job. And anyway, so after it comes out, I'm driving down the highway and my old college roommate calls me. And she says, "Fits, have you seen the soprano TV show?" And she said, "I guess what you're saying is true." And I said, "Wait a minute. I'm the former assistant secretary of housing." And the former lead financial advisor, the Department of Housing and Urban Development. But you don't believe me unless it's on the soprano TV show. She said, "That's right." And I said, "I call the person who rents our operations." And I said, "You know, an America-fact is fiction, and fiction is fact." Yeah. Right. That's very true. You're right. Everything's in the movies. But it's a steam valve, and it's a way of letting out the truth. You know, it's a steam valve on the system. And it then allows you to talk about, you know, the way we say it, it's salary. We have a building wealth curriculum. And there's six pillars. And the second one is navigation tools. And in navigation tools, we say there's reality. And then there's official reality. And you need to know both. So, official reality is for the cocktail party. And reality is for the management of your time and money. And you need to not get those mixed up. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. It's so funny. We were just talking about this the other day. There was a. We were talking about this guy, Vince Gilligan, who he's the guy who made Breaking Bad. Oh, really? So Vince Gilligan, he made Breaking Bad. He also did the X-Files. Is that right? So, he was working on a spin-off of the X-Files. And it was called. I can't remember the name of the show. But either way, the pilot of the episode aired. I want to say in June of 2001. And the whole premise of the episode was planes getting hijacked and thrown into the Twin Towers. And. It shows. Oh, wow. I didn't realize that. And then he was sitting there watching CNN on the morning of 9/11. And he's like, "Holy fucking shit, I wrote this in my show." Right. And he was blown away. That this actually happened. So this is one of those simulation moments where you're like, "What came first, the chicken or the egg here?" Did some terrorists wash this and get the idea to do this? Or like, "What is this?" So it's interesting. So I live in the Netherlands. Really? Yeah. Oh, okay. But today, clearly, I'm here. And the way I first went to. The first time I went to the Netherlands was 2012. So two of my partners in our business, in Salary, who runs Salary Europa, were the sponsors of a series of conferences on both Breakthrough Energy and another one on the Secret Space program. And that's how I met them was going to Amsterdam to talk in the Breakthrough Energy conference. And they did a huge Breakthrough Energy conference in 2014. And the whole. We had it in San Mateo in California, so in Silicon Valley. The whole idea was we're going to bring all the serious research together. No entertainment, no disinformation, just the serious guys. And Chris Carter came and sat in the front row with a friend of mine and he's a really good guy. And then I think a year or two later, they came out with one of the ex file sessions being on HUD. Whoa. And housing. Yeah. There are a couple of very immediate relationships between the U.S. housing budget and space. Right. Including, yeah, the. Well, remember, the part of the black budget, if you go through the different layers of the black budget, part of it is clawing money out of appropriations and other agencies. But the other thing is, if you look at the appropriation process in Washington, you know, things are in baskets. And HUD was in the same basket with the space station. And whenever there was an emergency on the space station, we'd lose money. Why would they put HUD in the same basket as the space station? Because the 24 covered agencies and then Ansler, you're batched into different groups. And you just stand up, you know, in a batch with. It's a random? I don't. You know, I've never gone back and looked at the history of how different agencies ended up in different batches. That's so crazy. But. Yeah. Put something covert that's in space in the same bucket as something that no one would ever think twice about. In the U.S. government, there's always covert runs through everything. Uh-huh. So the U.S. government is like our world. It's like Disney World. So I've never been to Disney World. My understanding, I'd a friend who took a course underground. You know, so upstairs, you have Minnie and Mickey and everybody's walking around. And then downstairs, you have an entire subterranean world that's engineering this world above. Right. Right. And so. What does Walter Bosley call it again? What was the thing? The psychotronic. He has the theory that the merry go round at Disney World in the LA. It was like some psychotronic device or something. Are you familiar with that? No, no, no, no. Well, we, you know, it's clear we do a huge amount of neurowarfare and mind control. And it came out of the investment advisory work because so many of my clients were targeted with those technologies to defraud them. So if you want to protect a person and their family assets, they have to know about neurowarfare and mind control and be able to protect themselves from it. Because it's used to do financial fraud. Really? The major. So I'm just about to do a new interview called Vectors of Addiction. If you look at many of the different addictions in society, they are engineered with neurowarfare. Right. Right. So. Well, I mean, they're super addictive. They exploit, you know, the weakest parts of the human psyche. People who already have these predispositions to them. They're going to fall. They're going to be victim to this stuff and especially if you're making it ubiquitous and active and available at the fingertips. But which here's the thing, if you don't know the technology exists, it is almost impossible to not be tricked. I mean, I remember going into a conference and I knew they were using it. I realized, "Oh my God, they're using. " The first time I'd ever experienced it in a conference setting, I'd read about the NRON analyst meetings and I was convinced from reading that they were using entrainment. I can't prove that. That's just my conjecture. But. They were using what? Entrainment technology. What does that mean? It's. So here's my understanding of it and I'm not a scientist. Entrainment technology and subliminal programming work together. Entrainment opens you up and makes you resonate with something that you would normally never resonate and then subliminal programming comes in at a subliminal level and you buy it because you're resonating with it so you think whatever it is that's true. It's very, very dangerous stuff. In general, I was doing this stuff. No, no. I read the analyst report. I read reports about the analyst meetings and I became convinced that they were using entrainment. But I don't know that as a fact. But because of that, I realized that they could use it in a conference. Anyway, I went into a conference and they were using it. And it was the first time I personally, I had experienced it. I had experienced it in a personal setting or on the phone or TV. But I'd never experienced it in a conference before. So I go into this conference and I'm thinking, oh my God, I have to be really, really careful not to. You know, I have to control my mind. Right. And so I sat down next to. There was a guy from the group I was with who was. He had a very successful auto parts business and he was very grounded. He was New Jersey. So next to him, he'll keep me grounded. And so I'm taking notes and I'm listening to the speech and what the guy is saying is ridiculous. And I'm taking notes and I sort of lose. I stopped controlling my mind for a second. And suddenly I start clapping and turning to this guy and saying, is it any wonderful when he's not? He's ridiculous. That's what he's saying is stupid. Because it tricked me. And I thought, oh my God, they got me. Interesting. Right. So it's very, very, very powerful. Anyway, so if you are a person responsible for the family investments, you have to know this stuff exists because otherwise you can be targeted and you can be tricked with it. And it's very, very powerful. And they would target you through social media type stuff, right? In theory, but I dealt with people who've been targeted by phone. By phone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're using it on the phone. Like a phone call or something? Yeah. And who would be calling you? So it's somebody doing, say, a read private placement or cybercrime. If you listen to the stories, because cybercrime is skyrocketing. And if you listen to the stories of how people get tricked and cybercrime, it's phone. And I'm sure from the descriptions and the fact patterns they're using this stuff, that's what I believe. I feel like a very, you know, with the way Apple has updated their system on their phones. It's like all the spam calls for me at least get sent to a spam thing. And like, big thing pops up. This is definitely fucking spam. Don't answer this call. And then it shows me a transcript. It's like, hello, my name is, you know, Akbar with the business loan institute. We want to loan you your $250,000 business loan or whatever. [BLANK_AUDIO] And so like I, for example, I never, at least in the last probably year, haven't answered a call from one of these sort of like phone people. Well, there's a, you know, when you get into this whole area, there's a whole gradation of technologies. Yeah. So it starts with just propaganda disinformation, pressure, you know, the traditional kinds of things. But then you go into the social media companies using dopamine. Right. I've heard books to help people understand this is one called Addiction by Design about slot machine gambling. Oh, yeah. And it's excellent. And when you read all the science and research that is poured into getting people addicted to slot machine gambling, you just can't believe it's legal. I mean, this is big, big, big business. It's the same thing as a phone, like the swipe is the same thing as a pull in the slot machine. Well, that's true. So you have this gradation of, you know, dopamine and like the stuff they're doing on slot machines and you get into a treatment, sublimal programming, and then you get into very serious high-tech military. Military room. I'm doubt it. I wouldn't doubt it. You know, like we don't have to do the same way that, you know, they don't have to really whack people anymore. They have easier ways of ruining your life with, you know, the more centralized everything gets. They don't have to, you know, give people drugs anymore for MK Ultra. They can just use the phones that are always an already in everybody's hand. We run our merch store through Shopify and one of the things that I've learned over the years is that holiday sales ain't going to wait for you to get more organized. And my favorite part about Shopify is the 30 seconds I've spent posting a new product. 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I was poisoned eight times and what was funny was I didn't know that that could happen to me at the beginning. And so the first couple of times I didn't realize I'd been poisoned. And then during the litigation when you were leaving the government? No. What happened was my company was lead financial advisor to HUD. Right. And we ended up, they fired us and tried to steal the money they owed us. And so they had had a whistleblower file, a lawsuit under seal against us that was secret. And then that same whistleblower had brought a public suit saying, "Meow, it's a long story." It gets very complicated because there were 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, physical harassment, and spare camping. So I got very, very tricky. But anyway, so we sued them in the court of claims and it took us, we finally got the money back nine years later, it took 10 years to get the money. Anyway, but what happened was they tried, they brought a, had a whistleblower bring it key to a lawsuit and they do an investigation and they could never find anything wrong. They could never find any evidence of wrongdoing and so they kind of got stuck and then they tried to falsify evidence and we caught them and were able to turn it into the court. And then I was offered a chance to settle without, but they weren't going to pay me the money they owed me and I said, "No, I'm going to fight." And that's when it got, they had not been able to find any evidence of any wrongdoing, they had not been able to frame us. And then the goal was to just exhaust and break me so that I would settle. How did they poison you? So I can tell you what I experienced, I can't tell you what they did. Because I only know what happened to me and then there were many different, there were eight different times. But when it was over, then I could go get tested, I had enough money then to go get tested and start to detox and my guess is that one of the way, they can put it in the food but one of the ways they did it was, they put it down my well, I had a well, I have a house in Tennessee with a well. I think several of the times they put arsenic down the well. But the last time which almost killed me, I don't know how, I can tell you what happened, but I don't know, I'm not sure how they got it in. One of the things I will tell you is you have no idea how easy it is to put it in your food or your open, you know, you have an open bottle, what I was just in Switzerland visiting a friend and she was telling me about people who are going to parties and they tell you now you have to take your drink to the bathroom with you because you leave it on the table. Of course, that's here too, yeah, it's kind of just like a known thing, like nobody leaves their drink at the bar when they go to the bathroom. Right, so it's much more common. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, like people putting date drugs and drinks and stuff like that or just, you know, drugs to try to knock you out so they can rob, take all your money or whatever. Right, so anyway, so I think a couple of them were the first one happened in Washington and we had all sorts of physical harassment in Washington, including some kind of energy weapon that was, yeah, we're really going then. So what happened was when the litigation started, you have to understand I was a very successful wealthy person. So these kinds of things can happen to me. And my first reaction is I have a political problem, how do I fix it, you know, let's get this over, it's stupid to fight, I don't want to spend any time litigating. And because I was from a world where I thought if I had done something to offend, I thought I had permission to do everything I was doing and if I was causing a fence, somebody would give me a heads up and then I'd back up, you know, I would fix it. So I was kind of surprised that all of this was happening, but anyway, so the first thing I did is I went out and tried to hire a security firm because we were having people break in, follow me, you know, I had all sorts of physical harassment. So I tried to hire, and this is during the lawsuit. It's at the beginning when I'm still living in Washington. And so I tried to hire a couple of private security firms to kind of help me figure out what's going on, how do I solve it quickly, and then how do I protect myself physically. And so each one would come back and say it's too dangerous, we can't help you. I know. I'm like, me? So the last one. Why did they say it was too dangerous? They wouldn't tell me. They would just say, we don't want, you know, we don't want the assignment. We're turning it down. So I think they figured I was a dead duck because what they figured, anyway, but the last one came and they brought this really skinny guy who was a bio warfare expert. I thought, why do I need a bio warfare expert? Anyway, so he comes in, and I had this beautiful, like, little brick mansion, and he comes. They leave. They start to leave and suddenly you can see he feels badly, he feels sorry for me. He spins around in turns and he said, look, lady, they're going to drill holes in your wall and inject low grade bio warfare. And he said, do me a favor by birds. I said, birds, why birds? He said, if the birds die, get out of the house. And sure enough, they drilled holes in the wall and that came later. But we did get the birds. I had a friend living in one of my guest rooms, just, she was there for protection. And she got a bird. I got a bird. And the first morning, from 9 to 5, we would have these incredible, and it was like being in a microwave and you were being electrified. And the first morning we took the cloth off and the birds fell off the perch. They were not dead, but they were just lost their balance, yeah, they were so. And so I used to go try and sleep in all different parts of the house to get away from this. And it would just be 9 to 5. And that's when I started to research non-lethal weapons, because I knew something was happening, but I didn't understand it. And I didn't think it could happen to somebody like me. That's an insane, like, what year was this? This was 1998 that I started to research non-lethal weapons. In 1994, the Department of Justice had done a deal with DOD, a memorandum of understanding, to test non-lethal weapons on domestic applications. And what I discovered, when I started to research, is this kind of thing was happening. It's now called targeted individuals. So I'm sure you've run into it. Do you know? Do you have any center type stuff? It's electronic harassment. And electronic harassment. Electronic harassment. And it's sometimes they call it covert electronic harassment. But anyway, so one of the things I discovered, it was being used by the real estate industry to get. you know, if you have a rent control department, it's you can use it to get your, make your tenants so sick they die or leave. Okay, or if you, a sectionate developer, and you wanna move them out of sectionate to assisted living and you make a lot more money, you can use it to make them sick and do that. So, it had many applications well beyond, you know, the situation I was dealing with. - And landlords would use stuff like this? - Yes, landlords would use stuff like that. I discovered a whole, you know, I had to deep dive covert operations. If you go to Salary, we have a 12 part series called Deep State Tactics 101, and it's on every tactic that we all dealt with for that 11 year period and beyond, 'cause, you know, we kept dealing with it later. So, but it's very interesting because the, I had a very funny run in with James Wolsey, right? After, when was it, it was in 19. - For people who don't know who he is. - James Wolsey was the head of the CIA when the physical harassment started. - Okay. - Okay. So, I'm assuming if it came out of there, which I believe it probably did, he would have approved it. Anyway, but I had a very funny interaction with him where he, he had to work with me in a board meeting and felt clearly very guilty. Anyway, but before he died, according to his wife, he was a victim of the Havana syndrome. So, somebody was using it on him. And it was very interesting 'cause when I read that, I thought, you know, it's funny what goes around, comes around. - Mm-hmm. So. - The head of the CIA is not safe. They're only there for a little while. - You know, something, the whole plan is not safe. I mean, that's right. - Right. - Yeah, that's frightening. It's a frightening reality that's been starting to set in more and more lately. - Well, but here's the thing, you know, 'cause what happened to me, I was very lucky. I found a great church in Washington and they had a Bible Institute. And I spent two and a half years studying spiritual warfare. - Really? - And those techniques absolutely not only help me navigate the whole situation, they absolutely saved my life. They revolutionized my life. - Spiritual warfare. - Spiritual warfare. And if you, if you study the techniques of spiritual warfare, if you're a hyper, you know, I was brought up to be a hyper materialist. I was a investment banker and so spiritual warfare was not high on my list of things I was gonna study. But it's almost as though, you know, there's a line in scripture that I love. All things work together for the good of love, of them that love the Lord and are called according to the purpose. And what that means is, if something's happened to you and you think it's bad, write a movie plot say this is the best thing that ever happened to me and then what's the plot, you know, invent the plot. And it turned out that getting kicked out of the establishment was one of the best things that ever happened to me. I mean, I truly believe if I hadn't gotten kicked out of the establishment, I would have kept believing my doctors and I'd be dead, right? - Right. - So getting kicked out of the establishment was great, but it didn't feel that way at the time. - Right. Do you use all your material, items and your mansions? - I auctioned off, I sold and auctioned off everything. I mean, just everything. And it was funny, I went to a process of living in four places on an unpredictable schedule because I was trying to make the harassment so expensive that they couldn't, they couldn't get a contract renewal. So I was sort of playing the government contract system. And so I lived in four places on an unpredictable schedule and our company had three cars that looked exactly the same, we're constantly moving them around. And, but I finally consolidated down into one tiny home. I have a little country home in Tennessee. And so I, you know, it was selling, selling, selling, selling, selling, selling everything. We had discovered eBay. - Okay. - And it was sold. I had a huge art collection and antiques and selling, selling, selling. Finally, then it was a little house in Hickory Valley. And I still have, you know, about 10 or 20 pieces that have real financial value or sentimental value. And every time I left, they would steal one. It's like a torture technique. And so what I decided to do was that year, I made a list of everything I had that had sentimental or financial value. And I gave it away for birthdays and Christmas. My sister got a redmore etching. - Oh, wow. - I know, that's what she said. - And how long did you decide to move out of the country? - So I left the country in 2019 and ended up locked down in the Netherlands. - Oh, really? - Yeah, so I didn't come back for two and a half years 'cause I got a locked down. - But you're still, you're full time, though, in the Netherlands? - So I'm a Dutch, I have a Dutch residency and I have an apartment and I'm-- - Why are all the smartest, economic, financial people I know, they all live outside of the country? It's like you Simon. - So I think, well, Simon's from the UK. - He is from the UK, that's true. - He's from the UK, but I think a lot of-- - But there's honors I've talked to. - A lot of smart people want to have options. So they have two or three passports or options or whatever. - And also, all of the tech billionaires also are getting dual citizenships and politicians and these people, they're buying houses in Argentina, New Zealand, they're buying bunkers. Have you noticed this? - So here's, I have a totally different point of view than they do. I can understand their point of view. - I don't understand their point of view. What do you think their point of view is? - So here's my point of view. I think they think you can get away from the risk. And, you know, I always used to tell people when I was an investment advisor, there is no way. So during the litigation, I decided that I would travel across the country and I did extensive traveling by car to try and understand what was happening and politically and economically, 'cause you couldn't tell from, you couldn't tell from government statistics or the news. So in that process, I met and spent a lot of time downloading the stories of every elderly person in my family. And one of the things I discovered was that my family for the last 500 years keeps moving west to get away from it, right? And I realized, oh, you know, they keep moving to get away from it, but it is everywhere. - What is it? - From the Central Banking Warfare system that's constantly extracting, manipulating, starting wars, starting, you know, it's what Simon was describing, call it FEC. Oh, say he calls it. - The financial industrial complex. - Right, right. - So it's, well, the Central Banking Warfare money, the Central Bankers print money, and then the military and intelligence agencies make sure people take it. And the interesting thing of what's happening now is if you look at the tech guys, you know, the tech guys are moving up as important, but what they're doing with robots and drones could definitely compete with military guys. - Oh, yeah. - And what they're doing with program money could definitely compete with the financial guys. So it's gonna be very interesting to see how this all sorts out. We should talk about that, but anyway, I call that that Central Banking Warfare model, the tapeworm, and I discovered my family has been moving west for 500 years, trying to get away from the tapeworm, and I don't want to move away. I want to walk right into the center of the thing and, you know, and turn the dial. - Mm-hmm. - I don't want to go away. I want to go right into the heart of darkness. So what specifically were they moving away from? Like, I'm assuming you're your family. They're not studying finance and stuff like this. What are the practical things in their lives, that? - So you had one relative went from Switzerland to Amsterdam, then to the UK, and then came to the US, and they're trying to get to a place where their free-to-own property should be away from war. And then we had a whole group in the South, before the civil war, who moved west, someone to Tennessee and someone to Texas, and they're trying to get away from the war. - Got it. - And the ones who made it to Texas beat the war, the ones who Tennessee didn't go far enough. - Right. - So there was that expression gone to Texas. And they're trying to just get away from the war. They're trying to get away from the centralizers stealing their lands, you know, taxing them to death. - Or, you know, killing them for one reason or another. - Who are, do we know like actual names of people who are at the top of this financial cartel that runs the world that's above governments, militaries, intelligence, all this stuff? - So I'll tell you what my personal experience is. - Okay. - Because the hard part, you know, I can sit down and give you names of people who I think have been critical in running the financial system. You know, and it layers up because remember, you do have banks that are, that own the central bankers. I mean, you, in the, in the United States, you have banks that own the Fed banks, et cetera, own the New York Fed. Okay? - You have banks that own the New York Fed. - Right. - Like own shares of it or something? - They own it. Yeah, they own, they own share, the members own shares. So the United States. has a hybrid system where you have board of governors in Washington, but then you have 12 banks that run the central banking, the transaction system. Okay. And the mothership is the New York Fed because it's a depository for the US government and it runs the primary dealer system. So that's the, you know, the crown jewel in the 12 banks. Okay. But they are owned by their members. And then, of course, the question is if you look at the, at the people who own the members, you know, who really is that? Because if you- The members of the 12 banks. Okay. Yeah. So if you look at the New York Fed, JPMorgan Chase, City Bank, Goldman, you know, these are the firms that own the shares to the New York Fed. Now in 1998, I called all the, I called or emailed all the public affairs offices of all 12 banks. And I said, who owns, you know, of your members, how much does each own? What's the percentage on the ship? And so specifically, who owns how much? And then the other thing I said is, what are the policies related to what access? Oh, who manages your databases, your IT systems? Who has access to your data? And then, what are your policies about sharing your data with your members? And they brought back or said, that all that is confidential. You can't know that. Now in 1998, somebody did a foyer of the New York Fed and got a breakdown as of 1998 of percentage ownership of the New York Fed at that time. But I haven't seen anything since then. Did you see that story that came out, I think, a week ago, maybe a week and a half ago of this guy who worked for Howard Lutnik, who committed to this guy would blew the whistle on Howard Lutnik. He came out and was talking about Howard Lutnik's ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Right. I saw the catcher Fitzgerald and all his ties. And this guy was, so this guy, find the story, Steve, so we don't butcher the shit out of it. So I guess when all the regulations started to kick in in 2008, this was one of the guys who was fricking top-tier, academic, whistle-blower flag, Lutnik's links to Epstein dies by suicide, just punching a little bit. That was not a suicide. Right. Scroll down so we can read the first summary of it. Former British banker and whistle-blower Simon Andrews, who flagged Howard Lutnik's alleged link to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide. Andrews was previously a managing director at the Wall Street firm BGC. BGC group where Lutnik, now the U.S. Commerce Secretary was a chief executive officer. The death of the 57-year-old was confirmed by Andy Engathulio, the founder of Campaign Group Transparency Task Force, which has previously hosted events related to the whistle-blower Andrews. There's a crazy deep story with all of this. So Andrews was one of the guys who I guess had to verify all the transactions and stuff on Wall Street. If Lutnik was, I don't know, if he was doing a deal or something where money would move around, this guy was the guy who'd check off and say, "This is kosher, this can go through." This checks all the boxes, there's nothing shady here. There's a bunch of emails from Lutnik to this guy where he's just telling him, "Just sign off on it, just sign off on it, do it," or whatever, and there's a bunch of stuff with that thing that he's telling. Okay, so let me walk you through chronology. When I'm through with the chronology, you decide what you think of what the chronology means. The holiday seasons are upon us, which means your kitchen is about to get worked harder than anything else. And Hexclad is one of those gifts that will always get used. You get serious, searing performance, easy cleanup, and you get cookware that looks good enough to leave it out on the stove. What surprised me the most about this bad boy was how easy it was to clean up. 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And before Clinton leaves, I think according to Whitney Webb, it was 14 or 19. Some large amount of times that Epstein went to the whole Clinton White House. Okay. So, who was he introduced by that year? Who first took Epstein to the White House? To the White House. According to Whitney Webb. Was it. I don't remember. Bob Rubin. Former co-chair of Goldman Sachs at the time National Economic Adviser soon to be Secretary of the Treasury. Bob Rubin. Bob Rubin took Epstein to the White House for the first time. And then Epstein goes back to the White House many, many times before Clinton leaves. Okay. That's date number one. October 1994, the Fed and the New York Fed who have taken the position prior that it was a conflict of interest changed their policy and buys shares at the Bank of International Settlements. Now, the Bank of International Settlements is a bank that can move money all over the world and keep money on its balance sheet secretly. And they have sovereign immunity, not that the U.S. necessarily respects it, but there it is. Okay. So, certainly, if the United States wants to. So, recap what that means. So, the Bank of International Settlements was now doing what? The New York Fed and the Fed now both own shares. They own shares at the Bank of International Settlements. In the world's largest secret money-piping system in the world. So, none of that money in the BIS has to be declared at all. They can hold money secretly on their balance sheet. Got it. Okay. So, that's October 94. Okay. 95. You have a huge blow up on the budget. And after three weeks, you shut the government down for three weeks. And that period is later described to me by the President of the largest pension fund is they have given up on the country. They're moving all the money out, starting in the fall. One of the things that happened during that period was on the Mexican bailouts, Ruben dipped into the Exchange Stabilization Fund, which is sort of the mother of all slush funds run by the New York Fed for the Secretary of Treasury. And what I've been told, and I don't know if it's true, they were scared that they didn't. They were scared to leave assets in the country anymore because they could not get the budget on a solid basis, financially solid basis. And so it was described they have given up on the country. Okay. So 96, you start to see enormous changes happening. And it's during this period that we are targeted because we're stopping the mortgage fraud. And they want to significantly increase the mortgage fraud. In fact, after the budget deal busted, they started. That's when the predatory lending skyrocketed, and the FDA approved Oxycontin and the PILMILES opened. And neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods were just targeted both by the PILMILES and predatory lending. Right. Okay. So in 90, at the end of or fall of '97, a process begins at DOD and HUD where by the time the government takes the bookstark in 2015, 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments start to occur. The federal government makes no effort to obey the financial management laws, their reports of mammoth problems in the accounts, again, 21 trillion, one trillion of undocumented adjustments at HUD 20 at DOD. And I call it the missing money. And it starts, you know, by 2000, we have reporters writing about missing money at DOD, missing money. And in 2001, in September, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld, who's complaining that massage is running the Pentagon. She was complaining about that? Larry Wilkerson has said on many shows that Rumsfeld used to complain that massage. had more power at DOD than he did, and they were running DOD, and they had free reign of the building. And Wilkerson describes, "Okay, Missile Having." And their guy went in as control during that period at DOD as well. So Romsfield stands up on September 10th and says there's 2.3 trillion missing from DOD. And it's a worse problem than terrorism. Okay. Now, what happens the next day? The next day, many offices that had the records of money disappearing from DOD and HUD, or the financing, the bonds, the government bonds used to finance that missing money suddenly blow up. So suddenly- They were hit by a plane, allegedly. Whatever. So, you know, we're told that the office at the Pentagon was included the office of Naval Intelligence doing an investigation of the missing money at DOD, blown up, okay? All sorts of securities offices and big bond dealers on Wall Street with records on all of this blown up. We know right after the World Trade Center came down, many firms were able to do settlements with the SEC because all the SEC office documents blew up, right? And suddenly, the 2.3 trillion was not a problem. I had a story coming out with a big reporter in Washington, it was going to be cover story in Insight magazine that goes automatically to all the offices, DOD and HUD. I'm sorry, all the House and Senate, that Friday on the missing money cover story, on the 4 trillion dollars missing from DOD and HUD. Story never went out because 9/11 happened and suddenly nobody cared about the missing money. DOD gets a big $48 billion appropriation increase and nobody cares. And it was years before we could get anybody to care again. Everybody was making a fortune on the war and terror, right? And circle all the way back to Howard Lutnik who conveniently was chopping his kid off of school that day. Well, but here's what's interesting. OK. So let's go back in the chronology. So back in the chronology, Wexler gives Epstein a big house on 72nd Street Manhattan prime real estate. Less Wexler. Less Wexler. Then he moves Epstein to the bigger house next door and sells the first house to Howard Lutnik. Right. OK. So Howard Lutnik. So now we have someone who we have reason to believe is laundering major amounts of money who just happens to now live next door to somebody who's running a primary dealer. You know what a primary dealer is? I don't know what a primary dealer is. There's a group of companies who essentially are authorized to sell Treasury bills and bonds and make the market for the US government borrowing, OK. So if you wanted to launder extraordinary amounts of money, it would be very convenient to be paired with a primary dealer, right? OK. Yeah. And interestingly enough, that primary dealer's offices were destroyed on 9/11. Yeah. Right. That's insane. With all the records. And not for nothing. His address was 9 and Lutnik's address was 11. Right. So let me keep going. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Right. It must be. So let me keep. Clinton leaves the White House. So in 1996, the Clinton Foundation is created using an accountant who as far as I knew, I knew him personally, I hired him at one point, only did HUD business. Why would Clinton Foundation create its foundation using a HUD CPA for a strike? OK. When Clinton leaves the White House, what's the first thing he does? He gets on a plane with Epstein and starts flying around the world and bringing huge amounts of money back for the Clinton Foundation. Right. Where do all this money come from? At the same time, we have Enron exploding, and no one can figure out how Enron's making all this money. All we know is the two of the board members are the head of the two firms that run the IT systems, where all the money is going missing from HUD and DOD. Sorry. Can you say that one more time? The heads, the two heads of Enron. So two of the board members, including the chairman of the. I don't remember if it was the compensation or executive committee or audit committee, but two of the board members also run IT companies or lead investors and IT companies who run the systems where the money is going missing. The payment system is where 21 trillion is undocumented adjustments, right? What a coincidence. That's fucking nuts. Well, no, it gets better. It was very interesting. So I was tracking all of this, and the board member who was on Enron, he's on the board, his guy named Pug Winaker, and he was also at one point on the Harvard board and got kicked off, because Harvard made a fortune shorting Enron at the same time he's on the board saying we had no idea there was a problem. So he's over here, his team is shorting it over here, and over here they're saying, "Oh, we had no idea there was a problem," and what's interesting is he was also, his investment company was the lead investor on a company who was running the IT systems at the SEC and Department of Justice, and when the sort of Enron thing exploded, I had this very successful podcast called Enron Anatomy of the Cover Up, and I said that even though the Department of Justice hadn't asserted control of Enron's documents, the Enron board had asserted control of the Department of Justice in SEC stock. Wow. Well, it was really funny. One of the things I pointed out during the Enron investigation, they had had 700 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands, and the head of, I think, enforcement or the department, the equivalent of the Department of Justice in the Cayman Islands, but the proper authority stood up and he said that they would be delighted to cooperate with the Department of Justice on the investigation of Enron, but as of yet they hadn't gotten a request from the Department of Justice. It was whatever happened, so I'm going through this timeline. When you see trillions of dollars disappear here, and then trillions of dollars show up in the offshore havens, or flying around, why would Norway or New Zealand give millions and millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation? I don't believe they would, but they might launder it through to the Clinton Foundation if it was not their money and they got to take a cut. I'm just making it up. But all I'm saying is when you have trillions disappearing here, after the president-largest pension fund says they have given up in the country, they're moving all their money out starting in the fall, and trillions of dollars show up here offshore, there's likely. It's got to go somewhere. So I have an online book called Dillon Read in the Aristocracy of Stock Profits, and I go through some of this, and I put up a lot of documentation, so if you're interested, you can go. It's at DillonReadinCo.com. So do you think Epstein, what do you, who do you think Epstein actually worked for? I think Epstein was a joint project of US and Israeli intelligence and probably British intelligence, but I'm not sure because they usually do things together. And if you look at how surveillance in the US, it's always been highly integrated with British intelligence, but I think Epstein was running the equivalent of the Swiss system for this movement of money, but I also think he was asked to help reinvest some of the money into creating programmable money, and so he was running a venture effort to get distributed ledger technology that could build a control grid. So he was financing the control grid, so one was programmable money. He was also putting a lot of money into mind control, so Harvard, MIT, brain research. And it's interesting, if you look at the money stolen out of made off, it was also going into brain research. Really? Yeah, so they've poured billions into mind control. And he was also super obsessed with eugenics and trying to like, ship his sperm all around the world. Right. I know a lot less about that. I've just focused on, you know, I think he was helping, you know, you do need kind of but informal swish system to do that kind of, you're talking about trends of dollars of money. - Who's like a fixer? Sort of like a fixer for like all the richest people in the world. - Yeah, he was a-- - And powerful people. - But he was helping facilitate major money moves. Now, if you look at who is moving that money to the people who run the central banking system, it's not secret, right? So, I think I stopped me if I saw this story the last time. One of my favorite stories I ever heard was I had a friend who was a great reporter. The one I was doing the missing money stories within Washington. And she took her top source at the DEA out for lunch after he retired. So this is like the week after he's retired. She takes him out of lunch and he finishes lunch and he says to her, he said, let's face it, sweetie. He said, all the wires batch and go through the New York Fed, they know where every penny is, right? So, you know, so you don't need, it's pretty easy to take a government account managed by one of the New York Fed member banks, shoot the money into the BIS, shoot it to Norway and give it back to the Clinton Foundation, right? You don't need, you don't need Epstein to do that. But you do need somebody to facilitate sort of the communications on how we're going to do the deals. And that's why I call it a swish system. It's like a covert swish system to help, you know, the people part of it. And then everybody, the way you make money in that network is, you know, you have access to information and you use that information to take advantage of the different things. And you make your own money by taking advantage of the intelligence to make deals. There's a wonder, have you read the Escape Key sub-stack? - No. - There's a great sub-stack called Escape Key. So the two sources I find the most useful are Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin on Epstein and Whitney's books are great. And then, in fact, you should, if you haven't watched Corp, it's 9/11 trillions, he does a great thing on that. - Is that a documentary? - It's a video that he made on how the money works and all the covert cash flows, but he gets into the missing money on 9/11. - Okay. - And does a very good job. And then, and then there's a sub-stack called Escape Key who really studies the nuts and bolts of how they're building the programmable money side of the control grid and how Epstein was critical in financing it along the way, including financing Bitcoin. So, and you see how he was reinvesting money into the programmable money side to create the distributed ledger technology, which we should talk about, 'cause we're at an enormous inflection point in the financial system. - So, why do you think that he was so invested in trying to push this programmable money thing? Do you think it was strictly like return on investment, financial gains, or do you think there was some sort of ideology behind it? So, I think it was, I think the push for this was coming from the people who run the financial system and the central backers. They know that one to keep the dollar dominant, you need to do various things to give yourself more market share or maintain your market share, but they also knew that, so go back to 1995, when they said they have given up on the country. Here's what happened. In 1913, when we created the Federal Reserve, that was a balance of power in the Republic form of government where the central bankers run monetary policy. - Right. - And then the legislative branch and executive branch run fiscal policy. - Right. - So, this is money printing and this is tax collection and credit, manufacturing, okay. That's a balance of power. The people here, the bankers here, okay. When they said we've given up on the country, I think what they decided to do was digital technology gives us the ability to control fiscal policy through the back-ex system. And if you create programmable money along with sufficient surveillance systems, the bankers can run both monetary and fiscal policy. And I think a decision was made in 1995. That's it. We give up. We're going to build the machinery necessary to also take control of fiscal policy and replace any real power of the legislative branch elections or the executive branch have to run fiscal policy. And part of what Epstein was doing was clearly helping to prototype and create things to figure that out. - To help people like him run the world. - I didn't see Epstein as being very important or powerful. I just, he was, he was, you've seen the movie with George Clooney, where he's the fixer. What's the name of that, I forget that movie. But Epstein was a facilitator. - Right. Have you seen Breaking Bad? - I've seen a few episodes. I find it very depressing, so I haven't watched it. - Yeah, there's a good analogy to a guy. There was a guy, what was the bald guy's name in Breaking Bad, the old grumpy guy? - Mike. - Mike. Mike, he ran around and talked to all the big cartel, drug dealers or whatever. And he had to go back to the guy's cooking and be like, look, this is how much you got to fucking give us. Get this done by Friday and we'll get you the money or whatever. - Right. - He's running the covert swift system, right? - Right. - It's kind of a communication function. - That makes sense. - So I, you know, there's no way someone like Epstein can operate without giving the surveillance that we're under. There's no way even in those days Epstein can operate and move money around without a certain level of the US intelligence agencies and the bankers knowing everything he's doing. - Right. - I mean, you know, there's no way. - And the black male side of it, you don't need him for that either because now the phones and everything or TV or your washer and dryer are listening to you and spying on you. - So let me explain something. So in the 90s, I went on the board. Do you remember the bank in Washington that went down and Clifford, Clark Clifford and the guy was married to Wonder Woman or bankers, you're probably too young to. Anyway, so, but there was this huge candle was called First American and Harry Oldbright was brought in by the Morgan Thou in New York to be the chairman of the bank and clean it up. And Harry called me and said, would you go on the board with me? I need people on the board. He'll help me clean this up. And so a huge candle and I'm out in this big sort of glass house out in McLean and Harry sent a bring truck from the law firm with all the documents, thousands of pages. And these guys bring in a pallet full of these, just thousands of pages of document. I had this huge living room with a glass window overlooking the, you know, the Potomac was very beautiful and they lay out all these documents and I spent four days just reading all the documents. And when it was over, I put my head in my hands and said, you know, because all of this corruption had to be approved by Treasury, the New York Fed. You know, it could only be done with complete institutional approval. - Right. - There was no, there was no scandal here. This was an institutional thing. It had all been approved and it was BC, it was the BCCI scandal. And the fight, Harry was trying to get the money back for the depositors and the department of justice was trying to keep all the money for themselves. Right, so that was the fight. And Morgan Thal was trying to protect the depositors and DOJ, what the money for their acid forfeiture fund is what I think the money went into. But anyway, that's when I realized, oh, you know, these things, I'll give you another example. So Helen Chapman wrote a book called JP Made Off about the relationship between JP Morgan Chase and Made Off, and I had her on the Salir Report, we're in the middle of the interview. And she had been an investor in Made Off. And then when things blew up, she was a very, very capable and successful near financial institution litigator. So she decided to help the victims got laws passed so they could get tax refunds and ended up doing a lot of Made Off litigation. And so was one of the litigators who knew the most about Made Off, got the documents, went through everything. Okay, so I have her on the show. She wrote this book, and she's explaining that Made Off, his business, he had two businesses, he had a brokerage firm, and then this money management firm with the Ponzi scheme in it. And she was explaining from the mid '90s on that the acid management business only had one bank account. And that bank account was a JP Morgan Chase. So I said to her, okay, well, and remember, this is $60 billion of money. I said, "If JPMORK Morgan Chase was the bank account who was the securities custodian and she said no one because he never bought any securities. And I said, wait a minute, Helen, what that means is JP Morgan Chase controlled, made off wasn't in control, JP Morgan Chase was in control because if if no money is ever going to securities and they know it, then they know it's a Ponzi scheme and he can't operate unless they're willing to affect his transactions, which means they have some kind of intelligence or national security umbrella to be doing this, right? I mean, under the know your customer laws of banking, you can't allow a Ponzi scheme year after year after year after year. I mean, that went from mid 90s, I mean, 10 years of Ponzi scheme, no securities. So I said JP Morgan, and apparently what I was told was that JP Morgan Chase had eight or nine billion of deposits sitting there from made off earning no interest. So they're getting free financing, right? Which is, and you have to ask the question why they let it go down because they, I mean, you could have just printed money and kept it going, right? So I, you know, what the final story was, I don't know, but well, but and it was some of that money that was financing the brain research, so the brain research, well, it's like what I saw it had the covert, you know, you had so much money being pulled out of the mortgage fraud to finance, you know, crazy spooky stuff, right? What specific type of brain research are you talking about? It was, it was things, my impression when I read it, and it was a long time ago when I looked at me, it was one made off first blow up that I looked at all of this stuff. So if you go back and listen to the Helen Chapman interview on salar report, it was at that time. Okay. But it was all search of regional research on memory and how the brain works and, you know, I don't remember the details. Wow. You know, funny is we had, you know, Epstein was super into like the Paris psychology stuff. And like, you know, who was the guy, the stargate guy who lives in Israel? God, why am I forgetting his name? Yuri Geller. We had, we had this gentleman by the name of Dean Raiden, we did a, we did a Patreon episode with him. And he was explaining to me because he was in the Epstein files. I was like, he was like, why were you in the Epstein files? He goes, he wanted to do a 20 minute, a Skype call with me to ask me about my research and in Paris psychology and was to forget what the word is when you can move objects with your mind. Telekinesis. Telekinesis. And he's like, so I got in a 20 minute and he's like, I had no reason to question this guy. He's like, all I knew about him was that he was very wealthy and he had financed a lot of my colleagues. Right. A lot of the smartest people I know. So of course, I would do a 20 minute Skype call with him. And he's like, we sat on the Skype call for 20 minutes and he just asked me to tell him stories about spoon bending and I was like, that's so strange for a guy like him. You wouldn't expect him to be so fascinated and stuff like that. Well, just remember, if you're trying to run the world and you're trying to centralize control, you know, if the human race wakes up and discovers its powers, the powers of its mind, of our minds to, you know, whether, have you ever seen the flying yogis? Nothing I can remember. The flying yogis. The yogis who literally can lift themselves off the ground and do the equivalent of flying. Yeah, it's unbelievable. This is a real thing. Yeah. Yeah, look it up. Look up flying yogis. Okay. Huge book from one of the yoga groups yoga and with pictures of all these different meanings of flying yogis. It's amazing. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is very real. Flying yogis. I mean, I'm getting a lot of images. It's just yoga, oh, here we go, no, there's no way. That's not real. Yeah. Well, I don't know if that particular one is real, but the phenomenon is very, very real. Ask the AI, ask Google AI and say, what is flying yogis? It's going to debunk it for sure. Flying yogis is an advanced practice of the transcendental meditation program where participants sit cross-legged in the lotus position and move forward in a series of short hops rather than true levitation. I'm not so sure. That's correct. And introduced in 1970s by Maharshi Mahishiyogi as a part of the TM Siddhi program. Proponent claims, supporters state that the practice generates high brainwave coherence inner bliss and a collective societal influence called Mahishi. So, I have this huge book that was a gift that shows and documents all these different events. Oh, that's fascinating. Yeah. Well, you've seen also the magician who can, you know, it's not as much as this, but they you know, they levitate a couple inches off the ground. So I think if the human race woke up to everything that we could do both individually in a shared consciousness, you know, it would be a real problem for centralization. I pay close attention and I'm pretty selective about what I put in my body. 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Well, there was a Dutch guy who flipped one of the GRU guys who basically recruited him. And so then the Dutch got access to it as well. So it was Dutch and GRU. And interesting, interesting why they didn't tip off the United States because, you know, the Dutch and the United States are allies, but they had footage, like, screen recordings of his bank accounts where he had, like, I don't know, billions of dollars, like six billion dollars. Maybe you can find out the actual number, Steve, in money and these bank accounts from the UAE and maybe Qatar or something else. So he raised his company raised several billion from the Saudis from their wealth fund. And it was. Who was it? Someone did an investigative report on it because it was so unprecedented. The committee apparently was against it, but MBS overruled them and it was sort of. Because it's very rare that you give somebody that much money who has no experience in the business. Yeah. His business is real estate. He famously has, like, no, he's, like, failed at everything he's ever done. He's, like, all of his real estate things that he's done in New York have all, they pretty much all failed. And, like, he's never been a successful businessman in anything and from just from what I've heard people talk about with this and it was, like, very strange that he would have all these billions of dollars and, like, what was he doing with it? Why was he getting it? Did it have. People that had speculated that it might have something to do with, like, how Trump stood up for MBS after the Khashoggi thing where they cut him up in the embassy and basically, like, laundered his reputation and there could have been some shady financial dealing with that, but I don't know if you knew anything about that story. So, you know, I know something about the story of the assassination, but. Yeah. Do you find anything on that story, Steve? So let me make a suggestion. We have a collection at Celery called Vectors of Grift that we And what happened was, Mike Robinson at UK column asked me if I would write a story with him a report on the grift that's going on because it's so transparent, it's so unbelievably public now. Now, I was in the Bush administration, so I've seen a lot of grift, but they were much more cautious about how blunt. You know, now it's just really out in the open. They don't care. And so what happened was, I decided, look, Mike, what I will do is I will write a list of all the different models, because what I've found is my, the Salary Reports subscribers don't understand them. They understand insider trading, but they don't understand, there were 21 models, they don't understand how all the models work. And to see the grift, you have to understand the business model, the transaction model. So I will make a list of all the models and then I will give examples of each model that are relatively recent. So everybody knows Nancy Pelosi, you know, outperformed Warren Buffett, things like that. So we did, and I said, I want to publish, he wrote the article, I made the models and the examples, he wrote the article, and then I said, I want to publish this list of models and examples for subscribers. So it's up on Salary. And I think I sent you the link yesterday, it's called "Fectors of Grift." Okay. And I couldn't stop, I was amazed when I finished it, because, you know, I knew how about the grift was, but I had not begun to believe however the top it was. The grift right now, and it's, you know, it's total uniparty, the grift is beyond anything you can imagine, it's unbelievable. And the problem is, it's a huge train on the economy. Because the more you put money into things that are there to control or to reward grifters, the less productive investment you have. And so, the, you know, it's like a tapeworm, we have a tapeworm, and the tapeworm is draining the host. Right. New technology has the potential to create extraordinary new wealth, and the question is, are we just going to use that wealth, you know, to feed the tapeworm or are we going to do something productive? Right. I had this woman on recently, Sharon Weinberger, who's wrote a book about the tech, the tech business and DARPA, the history of DARPA, and all that stuff. And her high level view of all the money that companies like DARPA are getting, and, you know, even up to the level of like the TSA, with all the technology they get with their, with their scanning technology and everything, is they basically get like this blank check of money because they have to do with national security and war and stuff like that. So they're just coming up with bullshit. Well, but you're buying, you're, you're buying political support. Right. You're spreading the money around and buying everybody will go along as long as they get a check. Mm-hmm. And the point that she was making was like, they don't give a shit how good their stuff works. Right. As long as they can put a, you know, a nice label on it and it looks cool and it has a good story behind it, like the government will buy it. Well, but there's something else and that, you know, it's, uh, you know, it's just another excuse to pump out more money. And remember, a lot of that money, let's say I have a company and my company is trading at 20 times earnings. So for every dollar I make the stock goes up $20. If I can get a government contract for a million dollars, the stock will go up 20 million. Right. And so I, from a political matter, I don't need the thing I pay the contract for or the product or the sale for it to work. Right. I just need an excuse to pump up the stock some more. Right. So you're just shifting money, you're shoveling money out of the government and out of the bond market into stocks and pushing it up. Mm-hmm. And that's why, you know, one of the things I wanted to talk to you today is bubble economics because we're at a real inflection point with bubble economics. And most Americans who have no idea that this is happening are heavily concentrated in a relatively small number of companies in complete violation of every standard rule of diversification. And so there's a huge retirement bet on financing the control grid. So people are literally financing their own prison. How is that working? How does that work? So let's say I have a brokerage account in IRA and a 401(k) and in my brokerage account and my 401(k) and my IRA, I have money in stock index funds, right? And it's an S&P 500 index fund. And so, and different kinds of sort of large cap index funds. And then I have bond funds. And then in one of them, maybe I have some 401(k) some private equity or stocks of private equity firms. And it looks to me like I have money broadly diversified. I have index fund with thousands of stocks in it and I have bond funds with many different kinds of bonds and I have private equity and I think I'm broadly diversified. And in fact, I probably have 35 to 55% of my money in 10 to 12 hyperscalers who are making the data sir, you know, who are using the data centers and a couple of AI stocks including chip stocks. So I can have extraordinary percentage of my portfolio, you know, if I look at my statements I have to click down 10 times to find out what it's really in. But in fact, I have so much in 10 to 12 companies it's frightening. And part of that is, oh sorry, we'll look at this after you get done. Part of it is because, you know, those companies have bubbles, I said you a chart that showed you how much those companies have bubbled in the index, but also they're also. I said you an email, I forwarded you her email that she sent me that had all these charts on it. Steve, I forwarded to you, I believe this morning. Right. And, but also, no, not that, let's look at that second when I want to look at the three. Yeah, just pull up the email you'll see it in there. Yeah, they're in the email. They are issuing bonds off balance sheet using LLCs like Enron and those bonds are then being sold into bond funds. So if I look at a bond fund, I don't even know that that is, you know, I've got huge meta positions in the index funds, and I don't realize those bonds in the bond funds are also meta or that over in the private equity portfolio, they're also got meta. So I don't see my meta position across the board unless I click way, way down, really investigate what I'm in. So here I'll show you. So this is a chart from 2023 on. All right. We're back. Yeah. They chose three lines. The top line is a basket of AI stocks and that includes the hyperscalers, which are the ones that are using the data centers. It's Oracle, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta. Okay. Okay. And then the blue line is the S&P 500. Okay. Okay. And then the black line is the average stock. Okay. So what you see is you've had enormous money. If you go back through history, Danny, what you see is whenever there's a big new technology, you get a bubble. So railroads, internet, dot, dot com was the internet, okay. And it's the same thing. And if you look at the, the P E's in the market, we're sort of at the dot com level. Oh, wow. Yeah. You know, a little bit higher. Okay. So so as you get this over concentration as these stocks get bubbled, then it becomes a bigger and bigger percent of your portfolio. Okay. And then when new money comes in, let's say I buy an index fund today, because of the way the index is sorted, then you automatically put more in. So you get this feedback loop where as more money comes into the stock market, it's all going into a large percentage of these stocks, which are now such a big percentage. Okay. So by people just passively investing in something like the S&P 500, they are, they're fueling the tech bubble because the S&P 500 is heavily reliant on the tech stuff. Right. But because they're buying things which are described as, as packages, you know, index this or bond fund this or that they're not looking of course. You know, I was shocked when I became an investment advisor in, so it's 2007, I was shocked because I would have to click down for 10 levels to find out what something was in. And this one would be called an ESG fund and this one would be a large cap and I'd click down and click down and click down, they're all on the same thing. Yeah. Right. It's just packaging. Right. It's like wrapping paper. Anyway. And isn't, isn't a heavy amount of the investors in these tech companies? Isn't this coming from like the Gulf state countries who are exporting oil and taking the dollar to have to trade with the dollar? So you absolutely have money coming in internationally. You have an enormous amount of institutional money in the United States, 401(k). I mean, you've got 20 more than two. The last time when I did our pension fund study in 2017, it was 25 trillion in U.S. retirement savings and now it's much more. [BLANK_AUDIO] You have a significant amount of retail investors go to the next chart and let me show you. So we now have 48% of U.S. households have major money in stocks. So U.S. households have 48% of their money in the stock market because they poured money into IRAs 401(k) with the dot com peak compared to the peak we're at right now. Exactly, so. So it was a little bit below 40% at the peak of the dot com bubble and now we're at 48% for the U.S. households. Right, I mean Europe is 20 to 25% and it's even lower in Asia. So U.S. is much more invested retail in the stock market. Okay, go to the next one. This is what is really scary. So stock market leverage, so people buying on margin is at a record high and much higher than it was during the dot com. People buying what? Buying stocks on leverage on margin. So they're borrowing. What does that mean? You buy a stock and you buy it on margin. Let's say you buy it on 50% margin. So the stock costs a hundred dollars and you put up 50 and then you borrow 50 from the brokerage firm. Oh, I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, it's margin, leverage. Now so the next thing I want to show you because so so we are in an unprecedented bubble like the dot com bubble or like the bubbles before. But what I want to show you is why I think there's a possibility the bubble could go much higher. And that's dangerous because again, you're sucking all the capital in to pay for the control grid. So people are financing their real real quick just so I can understand this. You're saying so the peak we're at right now 4.5% of US GDP. So so margin debt is is now equivalent to 4.5% of GDP. Oh, shit. Oh, okay. In the last year. Oh, okay. So let's go to the PDF of the slides. That we looked at first. I want to show you just some of the slides, not all of them. So go down. Click down. And okay, stop. Go back up. Okay. So I want to show you a couple things. Go back up. One more. One more. One more. Okay. So the Genius Act passed last year in 2025. And approved a regulatory framework for payments, stable coins. And the idea, the Genius Act will go into effect at the beginning of next year, 2027. And the goal is to reach out through the mobile payment system and the crypto, crypto rails and bring in people from all around the world into using US payments, stable coins, which essentially are collateralized by treasuries. So it's a way of saying to people around the world, use this crypto. It's like a trading a little treasury bill as a currency. Right. So go back to when the Berlin wall fell down, came down. And we had East Germany and West Germany. I was in Washington. Everybody said, Oh, it'll take years to merge the countries we have to have meetings and events and treaties and everything else. And Herman Cole, who was the chancellor of West Germany, just offered a sweet premium for the East German currency. And literally the country was merged overnight through the currency. He tendered for the East Germans through the currency. It's like one company tendering for the stock of another company. Okay. Right. Okay. So he tendered. So we're going to go out, for example, I live in the Netherlands. So we're going to go out to everybody in Europe and say, you know, the euro's going down. Use American stable coins as your currency, as your payment system and get them off of their local currency and onto the dollar. So the hope is to bring four billion new customers into using the dollar instead of their local currency. Okay. Right. And that's not going to. How would governments allow this? Well, I think some are going to try and stop it, you know, and they're coming out with their own stable coins due to compete. Right. But it's not just going to happen around the world. It's going to happen in your local community. So right now you have lots of banks in Florida who are circulating loans, you know, in the local area. But if everybody leaves their bank deposit and goes into a stable coin, the money will go into the treasury market instead of going into the banking system. Okay. Right. So so the FinTech firms and and the big banks are going to be competing with your local banks to get that money into the treasury market through stable coins and out of the local banking system. So you could hear a giant sucking sound of money being centralized, right? So it's getting out of the small local banks and credit unions in your neighborhood and to the main central banks. Potentially. Now. If this gets go if this happens. Right. So Besan has said, you know, by the end of the decade, they're hoping to bring in another two to four trillion into the treasury market through payment stable coins. Bring in another two to three trillion into stable coins. So if you can reach out to four billion new customers around the world. Right. And say instead of using euro or you know, whatever your currency has used stable coins. And is that how it does you say that outright? That's how they're going to bring in the money through people around the world. I'm trying to remember. I have several videos of him projecting different. I think it was two to three trillion. Big George Soros guy. Right. Right. So he knows currency, right? That was his claim of fame for sure. Okay. So let's go to but right now crypto and stable coins are a tiny percentage. Of household wealth. You know, one to one to a half a percent of Americans household wealth is in crypto and stable coins. Okay. Let's go down to the next chart. Okay. Now. DTC is the record keeper for ownership of stocks and bonds. DTC has announced that it is going to move or create distributed ledger digital tokens so that people can trade their stocks and bonds on a distributed ledger using digital tokens. Okay. And many people in the industry were hoping that the clarity act would pass this year to create a regulatory framework to do that when they didn't approve that the SEC is issued sort of it's called an innovation exemption, but created a regulatory framework for them to proceed to do that. Okay. So now in addition to our currency being on a distributed ledger with payments, stable coins, we're talking about moving stocks and bonds onto distributed ledger with digital tokens. So let's go. Whoa. Let's go to the next. So DTC created a pilot and they're looking to go commercial by the end of the year. Okay. In response, the big banks have announced that they are looking to move their deposits onto a distributed ledger. And in fact, regional banks are creating a consortium to do the same. Okay. Let's go to the next one. Okay. So. So Coinbase, the Coinbase CEO, has said they're going to use digital tokens to bring 4 billion people worldwide into the stock market. So we're talking about using the crypto rails and not only reaching out to get 4 billion new people into the dollar through payment stable coins, but 4 billion new people into the stock market. Okay. So right now, if you're sitting in Peru, it's hard to open account at Charles Schwab and trade US stocks. Right. But now you're talking about making it much easier. One of the things that will make it easier is that the New York stock exchange is now going to 24/7 trading. So this is going to be like polymarket and sports betting. You can trade with digital tokens to stock market 24/7. One firm announced that they are going to offer margin on the big mega cap stocks of up to, are you ready for this? Hold on to your pants 20 times. So I put up a dollar to buy Apple stock. Okay. Put up 19. And they put up 19. Wow. Okay. So let's go back because we've seen sports betting go from almost nothing to 600 billion, right? So imagine now the New York stock exchange just announced that they are going to start a partnership with the crypto firm and by the end of the year, they want to trade 63 of the largest stocks, AI bubble stocks, right? Hyperscale or data center stocks, all control grid building the control grid. They want to, they want to issue digital tokens on those 63 stocks and be able to trade them. So imagine this. Just we're in the invention room. By December, January, they're pumping out payments, stable coins all around the world. In theory, that gives them the train tracks to also lend, you know, around the world to retail. But then they're going to offer through those crypto rails to let you trade 24/7, the 63 biggest stocks in the American market and do it with margin of extraordinary amounts. What do you think is going to happen? Lots of fraud. Well, a cab driver in Jakarta can trade the US stock market or the 63 mega caps if that goes through 24/7, right? When you bring 4 billion new customers, so Mark Andrews in about six weeks ago or two months ago sent out a tweet saying currently the US stock market is 68 percent of the global stock market, but if this all works as we expected, it will be 90 percent. So what I'm saying is the US financial system is about to reach out and try to bring in the world. Into the dollar and into our stock markets, and ultimately our bank deposits too. Now hold that thought and let me show you one thing. All of this depends on that currency and those stocks and bonds and bank deposits being on distributed ledger, okay? Okay. Let me show you what that means, okay, so let's go down to the next line, okay, I'll just stop and show you this. So if you look at this chart was made in July, so as of at the end of spring, US household net worth was approximately 40 to 55 percent securities and that includes that households, that number is higher now because of the stock market, about 23 percent real estate and about 5 percent in bank deposits, okay? So that's what they have and very, you know, less than one percent. That's how the average household's wealth is distributed. This is household net worth. Health hold net worth, right? Yeah. In the United States. Okay. Now remember, they don't necessarily have those securities under in a way that they control it, maybe in a pension fund, and they don't control the investment of that pension fund. Okay, so let's go down, keep going down, down, okay, so I want to talk about, okay, go down again. You're going to hit the down arrows, do you, if it'll just punch right through them? Keep going down. Yep, that's the one I want, okay. So all what they're talking about, here's the financial system and bank deposits, stocks and bonds, currency, and now they're talking about creating a distributed ledger version of everything here, over here, okay? So now I can trade my bank deposits, my stocks and bonds, my currency, on a distributed ledger. 24/7 on your phone, on my phone, worldwide, presumably. It's like sports, it's like, it's like sports betting, right? It's probably market and sports betting, right? So now the stock market is going to compete directly with sports betting, okay, so hold on. So let's, I want to talk to you about something called the third lock, okay, okay? So if you and I do a cash transaction, that's a two lock transaction, you can lock it, I can lock it, you can say no, I can say no, you can say yes, I can say yes. So we both have a lock, okay? That is developed in the banking system as we pass more and more rules, is a third lock, which is the bank has to know your customer rules, it has sanctions, it has money laundering rules, and the bank can say no, that transaction can't happen. Yeah, this has happened to me a lot recently. Right, so, yeah, so people like you and I discover things like this, so they can implement a third lock, but that third lock is not particularly automated, it's manual. Nobody has to look at it, review it and say, yeah, you know, I think that should happen. If you look at what happened to the Canadian truckers, the government had to give them documents to the banks, not every bank would go along, you know, you couldn't do it all at once. It was, it was a manual process and it was sticky, okay? Now, if I have enough data centers and I can do spatial surveillance and I can do financial transaction surveillance of the whole dollar system worldwide, right? I have the data capacity to do that if I can build enough data centers, then I have the ability to do what we call an automated third lock, which is rather than the banks stop that transaction, the AI and the algorithm can just stop that transaction, okay? Which gives me the ability based on my surveillance of you and my algorithm for you to manage your financial transactions and to control them. So if you don't take your shot during the pandemic, I can freeze your money or I can apply a special path. The same way YouTube, during the pandemic, if you made a video about different alternative treatments to COVID, they could shut down your YouTube channel or take you just completely platform you or demonetize you, they could do that with your real money. This can be all automated so that if you go to, so we're dealing with all these imposter's, right? And we have to go to meta or we have to go to X or we have to go to Instagram or TikTok and say, please take it down. This algorithm in the financial system, remember when I said the bankers want to run fiscal policy, they can run this above the institutional level, there's no bank or court, there's no customer service to call. Right. They just freeze or shut off your money. So the Biden administration, you know, I think I showed you videos next time and I have some of the videos here if you want to see them, but can we just pull up the Carson's video? Yeah, sure. Where is that? Okay. So Steve, go to salary.com and then pull up the menu and then over under resources, go to video shorts. Right. Hand column resources. Yeah. Go to video shorts. There it is. Okay. Go down and click on financial transaction freedom. Top one. Left. Yeah. Okay. Play this video. Okay. I had founds right here. You can hear it. So we can hear it. So CBDC in particular for the use of general to the general use, we tend to establish the equivalence with cash and there is a huge difference there. For example, in cash, we don't know, for example, who's using a $100 bill today. We don't know who is using a 1000 peso bill today. The key difference in with the CBDC is that central bank will have absolute control on the rolls and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability. And also, we will have the technology to enforce that. Those two issues are extremely important and that makes a huge difference with respect to what cash is. Okay. Let's get that. Yeah. Watch this. So this is the president of the Minneapolis Fed. And when they say CBDC realize it's just programmable money, private stable coins are much more dangerous than CBDC, much more dangerous than we should talk about that. But when he says CBDC, think all programmable money, not just issued by the central bank. Okay. Go ahead and play that. Anybody, anybody at the Fed, we're outside of the Fed, to explain to me what problem this is solving. I can send anybody in this room $5 with Venmo right now. Right? No, seriously. So what is it that a CBDC could do that Venmo can't do? And all I get is a bunch of hand waving. I get a bunch. Well, maybe it's better for financial inclusion. Maybe it's better for cross-border remittances. Maybe is there any evidence that it is? And they say, well, what about China? China is doing it. I can see why China would do it. If they want to monitor every one of your transactions, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. If you want to impose negative interest rates, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. And if you want to directly tax customer accounts, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. But I get why China would be interested. Why would the American people before that? Hmm. Okay. Anyway, so that's an automatic third law. Because when he says, we have the technology to enforce it, they can make the rules of how you use your money, and they can-- Yeah, but Venmo can do that, too, though. I can't Venmo and these other things like this. They can also-- You know, credit cards can do some of this. Yeah. But if you're going to do this on scale where I have an individual algorithm for each person, the equivalent of a social credit system, yeah. You really want to have distributed ledger technology, because if you're going to automate it, it's going to be better. But in theory, you could do it with credit cards. I mean, credit cards have been used to-- you know, they have rules about what you kind of cannot buy with your credit card, etc. Right. So. Right. But what this whole infrastructure of digital ID data centers and AI is for, well, certainly the data center. and the digital ID and programmable money is to give the bankers complete control of fiscal policy. So we are bad. If it works, we are back to taxation with no representation at all. It's a co. And so you're saying that the bankers in partnership with the AI companies can have total and full control over the global population, over the population within the infrastructure within that infrastructure. Within that infrastructure. So if you look at the infrastructure being built in the US, we have a paper that we just published by two PhDs from MIT engineers. And what it describes is here's how much data center capacity you need to run our civilization. And here's how much data center capacity they're building, which is many times more than what you need to run our civilization. And so the question is, what is that for? And what it's for, I believe, is control. Because it's only this kind of control with spatial surveillance and then essentially the equivalent of a social credit system, automated an automatic third lock applying to everybody for the whole dollar system. That's the only thing I can come up with that would use that capacity. And that's the capacity they're building. But here's the little secret. It's the American people who are using their retirement systems to finance it. We are funding it. We are, you know, many of us are going to work and implementing it. But many of us are funding it. And the tragedy is if you look at a thousand people meeting trying to talk their city council out of building a data center, if you look at their IRAs and 401ks, they're financing the data center. Right. So you're, you know, your portfolio is betting the ranch that that data center gets built. But you are down at city council trying to talk to city council people out of, out of implementing it with a huge amount of taxpayer benefits and money. That's insane. So we just published two articles. One, we commissioned Taylor, who'd act to write two articles, one on taxpayers money, going into the data centers and then the private U.S. retirement savings going in. And we have a special article we wrote on how if you're in an IRA and 401k, that's in a lot of this, what you can do to make sure you are either not financing your enemy or, you know, diversifying your portfolio. So it's not deeply dependent on the AI bubble. Well, it's kind of like a, it's a difficult thing, right? Because if you want to beat inflation, you have to bet on the stocks that are beating it the best, right? Like the, the name of the game is you got to earn your money, take that money and put it to work. So it can continue to beat inflation. That's the way you can win the game. That is the spin they use to honey trap you. And often if you look at history, it's pump and dump, pump and dump, and retail net net comes out a lot of times worse. Sometimes not, you know, they, they always want to retail net comes out worse. Yeah. So for example, the BIS did a study on Bitcoin in 2022. And what they discovered is throughout time, even though the whales had made a fortune, retail had lost money on Bitcoin because they buy high and sell low, right? So, so they get played. So, so, you know, if you're going to, if you're going to, here's, here's what I'm going to tell you as an investor. You're sitting in an inflection point where we are in an unprecedented bubble higher than the dot com bubble. At the same time, if you look at the tools of massing, they're massing to drive it higher. It could go much higher. And you need to decide, do you want to finance your anime or not? And how are you going to protect yourself in a bubble? Because bubble's always burst. It's a matter of time. This bubble at some point will burst now. And what will happen when it bursts? At the dot com bubble. So, so when the dot com bubble burst, guess how much Amazon stock went down? A ton. 94 percent. Yeah, it's crazy. Right. Okay. So, you know, there are many things you can do to protect yourself. But the first thing you have to decide is, do you want to finance your, do you want to finance your own prison? Number one. And number two, if you don't, what are the alternatives? Because there are many alternatives. That's a whole another conversation. But three, if you are going to play the bubble, how are you going to protect yourself when the bubble bursts? And, and because, you know, if there's one rule we've ever learned in investment is don't get over concentrated in anything. Right. Right. Unless, of course, you know, you're building a business. I'm usually over concentrated, but that's a choice. You have to make this choice explicitly. Don't look at your statements and think you're wildly diversified when you're not. You need to explicitly, if you, if you are responsible for your family savings, you need to know where your money is and what it's doing and make sure that that's okay with you. You understand it and it's okay with you. So, what should people do with their money, if not invested in the stock market and S&P 500 and, you know, any, any stock broker that you find is going to be throwing your money into this kind of stuff? So, when I became an investment advisor, what I learned was that all my clients, wealthy clients had been trained by their financial planners to put 100% of their money in the national security state. Yeah. It was basically an extraction model, you know, take, you can't pay for your child's college tuition because you need 25 million in your brokerage account and financing the national security. Right. So, so the first thing you need to do, so if you, if you come into our building wealth, I said the number two was navigation. Number four is living equity and number five is financial equity. Right now, we're talking, we're talking about your investment in financial assets. We're talking about financial equity, okay, but there's something called living equity and living all wealth comes from life, okay. It comes from having children raising them up to be healthy and strong and they help you build your business, okay. So, but it comes from life. The number one cause of financial problems in American families and cause for bankruptcy is what? Divorce. Divorce is one of them. Most frightening documentary I ever saw was Divorce Core and the game of how they were people getting divorced. Extraordinary. Okay. How many stories? Right. So, but, but, but Divorce is in there, but number one. What's the, what's number one? Health. Health, right. So, America's being poisoned. Spray overhead, pharmaceuticals, stuff in the food, bad food, poor nutrition. And I used to have clients who would tell me, I can't afford to buy local fresh food in biodynamic or organic food because I need 25 million in my brokerage count to be safe during my retirement. I was saying, that's nuts, that's nuts. So, so let me ask you this, the, the first thing you need to live is you need shelter, you need food, you need water, you need energy. Are you getting that food and that water and that energy and that shelter from people you trust? Not most of the time. Okay. Most of the people I don't know. Right. Okay. So, you know, each person is different, which is why it's hard to speak about this generically. Right. But go through your balance sheet and go through your income statement and start getting out of doing business with people you can't trust into people you can trust. So, for example, do you have a bank you can trust that doesn't debank you and play games? Right. I, I, I, there's been a couple of times in the last couple of years where I've tried to send out wires and have been stopped for up to a month one time because of they said it was flagged for fraud. When I spent hours on the phone on the phone with Peter people at Chase Bank and asking me. Bank of Chase. Yeah. You're much more courageous than I am. It's just convenient. You know, they have the zeal, they have all this. It's not convenient. Do you know how many people have been teabanked by Chase like that? I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I tried sending a wire and I literally was running getting run around for two to three weeks before they actually let me do it. I did, I had to go walk into the local branch like five times. That's a social credit system. It's just subtle. Right. It's, I mean, it's unbelievably frustrating. Like it made me want to, it did make me want to pull up my money out of Chase and Switch banks. Okay. Well, you're not, I mean, you should do what you want, but I don't bank with my enemy. So, this all started for me. I have a, we have a great thing. Everybody should read it up at Salary called coming clean and it's about going through your life and getting the tape from out of your life. Right. Okay. Because it's risk. It's risk. And it started for me. It was 1998. It was sitting in my a little mansion in Washington. writing a check on JP Morgan Chase Private Wealth. And my hand froze and I said, why am I banking with the bank that's doing all this mortgage front? Why am I doing that? - Right. - And I said, I have to come clean and that's when the coming clean process started. But you've got to come clean. - I do have to come clean. - All the talking about Epstein We Do, I have to get out of Chase Bank. - So exactly. So if you go to Salary, we have a four part series called How to Build a Great Relationship, How to Build a Successful Relationship with the Great Bank. 'Cause what you need is one or two, given that you have a business, you should probably have two banks or credit unions. And what you want is you want to have a successful relationship. You want to know decision makers and you want to have a successful relationship and you want it to work for you. - Right. - Okay, and you don't have to rush out of your current account. You want to start new accounts and build a relationship. - Right. - Now, the series, we have a four part series that answers every question you could possibly want to know. And it's going to cover a whole bunch of stuff that you might not be interested in. - Okay. - For this comprehensive. And you should listen to that and then you should figure out who are the great community banks and credit unions in this area and then you should go find. I have the world's finest bank. I have a great bank. I have a wonderful bank. My credit card and my debit card works anywhere in the world. And if there's a problem, I can call them up and get service. - What are some banks you'd recommend to people? - It depends on where you are and what you need. So I can't, you know, it's-- - Well, I'll ask you off air. - What you're looking for, and I can always look in this area and see what's here, but what you're looking for is a well-capitalized, well-managed bank that has great ownership, great governance, great leadership, great management. And there are in this country some fabulous community banks and credit unions and some are criminal too. So you have to be very careful. But that's an important relationship. Okay, let's keep going down your balance sheet or any income statement. I once had a client who was complaining that the yields on her stock were going down and her water bill was going up. She lived in rural areas and this is simple. Sell some stock and build a well. Just cut them out. Get them out of your life. You know, some people can bring up their own energy. I have one subscriber who has a beautiful property and they have a lot of storms and the trees fall down 'cause they have fabulous amount of timber. And so she installed an off, it's away from her house, a wood furnace. And so whenever a tree falls down, they just cut it up and put it in the furnace. It's saving them like $8,000 a year. - Wow. - Yeah, no, it's huge. But again, everybody's different if you look in Brooklyn, that's not gonna work for you. But go through your, see, we've all been intermediated. Okay, and see where you can get the intermediation out whether it's energy, whether it's food. So I'll tell you another thing. I think if I could afford it, the best investment you can possibly make is investing in creating or financing for local farms and having a serious institutional relationship with the farmers who are providing you food. So there is-- - Interesting. - I was, I don't know, I think it was about 2010. I was in Zurich, having dinner with a money manager. And he explained that two of his colleagues had just gone out, bought some land, brought in farmers from Eastern European, put them in charge of the farm and said, your job is to raise food for our family because we wanna make sure we have really high quality food. - Wow. - So there's a wonderful DVD, The Real Dirt on Farmer John, about a farmer transition from conventional farming to organic, created a CSA, a community supported agriculture. And I know you have some good CSAs in this area. And he ran out of land, he was growing so well. And so some of his CSA customers got to get their bought land and leased it to him. Great investment, because farmland's a great investment. - Lots of it around here. - Right, exactly. So the land around here, the farmland, the good farmland around here is gonna be a great investment. But if you can lease it to a farmer who's giving you food and you've got that relationship. - Right. - So I think I told you this, my favorite one is what I call the People Bank. So when I was in the middle of the litigation, the litigation starts and I have 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, physical harassment, smear campaign, you know, I've lost all, I know income, you know, everything shut down. And it turns out that I had loaned and given a lot of money to my family. I had always been very successful financially. So whenever anybody was in trouble, I would give them or loan them money. Anyway, so they targeted my family. I had sold some of my land in New Hampshire to my uncle. And they targeted him and showed up at his door with a subpoena at nine o'clock at night and tried to scare, tried to talk him and saying, you shouldn't help your niece, you know, she's a criminal blah, blah, blah, blah. And they tried to lobby him to cut me off. And but he was a very smart and stand up guy. And there was a family conference call because after they threatened him, he wanted to warn the family, you know, if we continue to associate with Katherine or supporter, we could be target to do. And so they had a conference call and everyone was scared and said, well, we should cut her off. And he said, no, I'm not going to cut her off. And the reason I'm not going to cut her off is all her life. She has always helped us. She's always lent money, she's always gifted money. And he also knew if it wasn't me lending him, they'd come to him because he was the rich guy. So anyway, so he said, I'm going to continue to help her. And so he did. And then when the litigation was over and we got the money back, I made a list of everybody that I wanted to pay back money to or gift money to. And I took a fantastic amount of money and gifted it out. But anyway, what I hadn't realized was, before the litigation, I had loaned or given a quarter of a million dollars. And then during the litigation, a quarter of a million had come back, not necessarily from the same people. They had been gifted or repaid. And so I put out 250 and I got 250 back. And Danny, if it wasn't for that money, it would never have made it. I would never have physically been able to live through it. And because you're working full-time on litigation, you don't have time to earn money. Anyway, so when the money came in, my CPA said to me, I had had, when it started, I'd had 500,000 in a 401K. And I'd had to bust it and pay 225,000 in taxes and fees. And to use short, make complaint. You know, it was phony baloney, make compliance work, that the DOJ was creating. Anyway, so my CPA said, let's fund up the 401K. And I said, nope, I'm never going into business with the US government again. I'd not been able to use finance the company because they just happened to put it under audit right before they came after me. So I said, I'm not going to go back into business with the US government again. I'm going to take that 500,000 and I'm going to bonus it out on the people back. 'Cause that's the only bank I trust. And so I did. I bonus it out on the people back. And what's very interesting, but let me give you an example that somebody can use for their own. My uncle had a wonderful friend who I saw. They were members of the Dover meeting in Dover, New Hampshire. And he was complaining about the stock market. He hated the stock market, he made him nervous. He didn't understand how the values could be that high. And he said, but I need the money. I need to make a yield. And I said, well, do you have kids? He said, yeah, I have five kids. I said, do your kids have mortgages? He said, yeah, they all have big mortgages and big houses. And I said, are they trustworthy? He said, oh, yeah, they're part working trustworthy. They're my kids. And I said, okay, well, why don't you just sell your stocks and refinance them out of their mortgages. And then you get five checks a month from your kids. Because they're getting inherited anyway. So I saw him at my uncle's funeral many years later. And I said, you ever get out of the stock market? He said, you know, I did exactly what you told me. I financed, I refinanced my five kids mortgages. And he said, I missed the big up in the stock market. But every month I get five checks and I sleep like a baby. I'm very happy. Wow. Right. So I'll give you another example. I had a client who came to me and her retirement, her financial planner had said, until you have $25 million in your brokerage account, financing the national securities, you can't afford to spend money on your family. And she had a child and a grandchild who were not living in a safe neighborhood. But she had been told you can't afford to buy them a house. I was like, really, do you think locking Martin's gonna take care if you win you're in the nursing home? I don't think so. So if you look at your risk over the next 20 years, the person you can count on is your kid and your grandchild. They are your assets. Your money is your child and your grandchild are your assets. And your money here is here to protect them and you. You have three assets and you should use your money to protect those assets instead of draining those assets to put more money in the national security state. Right. So I can't tell you how many families I've seen load their kids up with student loans. Right. games of the first order because they've been told they need to put more money in their 401k or their IRA or whatever. And now, if your kid turns out to be a criminal, it was a bad investment, so you have to raise your kids right as you know you're a parent, right? But here's the thing, if families, I was an investment advisor for 10 years and I saw a lot of families' portfolios and what I will tell you, the source of family wealth is family enterprises and those family enterprises get created by healthy, strong families that work together. That's how families build wealth and they don't build wealth by, I'm not saying you can't make money speculating and financial assets or crypto or any of those things you can. But if you look at where real family wealth comes from, it comes from the Danny Jones enterprise, right? You've built a business, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the primary core ideas of America is doing that. But it's like lately it's, the way culture has been going, it's been going in the complete opposite direction. It's don't have kids. Right. You know why? Because you are teaching people how to become powerless, right? If you look at how, so I have to tell you, we have a course called Salary Builders for people 18 to 35 and it was, we just did our prototype last year, we finished it this year and then we're taking in the applications now for the next class. It's a 10 online session course with two in-person events and then you become a permanent part of the Salary Builders Network and these are all young people who understand if they want to be free, they need independent income and they need to understand how the world works. And so it's designed to take our building wealth curriculum and sort of our map of the world and help them be successful and however they define success. But it includes, so the first module, there's a pre-package that's basically a package on how the world works. And you study that before you start the course. The first five courses are on personal excellence and sort of how you build personal excellence and that's, it's not just me but how I build a successful family or a successful business. My relationships with people, how I cooperate and organize in a way that really can build power and then the second is on entrepreneurship and it was really funny because I wrote a very interesting memo. The curriculum committee was sort of having a debate about the entrepreneurship model and one person said, well, not everybody wants to be an entrepreneur and I said, let me inform you about something. If you want to live outside of big corporations and big governments, I don't care if you're a musician, I don't care if you are an artist, I don't care if you're an employee of somebody else, you're an entrepreneur. You will never, you will only have independent income if you're an entrepreneur and you know how to function as an entrepreneur. Even if it means you're just working for an entrepreneur, okay, you are, if you're going to be independent, if you're going to live a free and inspired life, you are going to have to know how to be an entrepreneur. It's just the nature of independent income and then so we have two events at the end of the first and second module, we have two events and then you become a permanent part of the builder network and it's amazing because if you look at the young people that we had in the first course and the applications we're seeing for the second course, the world is full of the most amazing young people who understand what you and I understand, you know, they've had access to your show, they've had access to my show, they understand what's going on in the world and they really want to do something about it and these are people who can build a civilization. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's, it's very interesting, I think about all the time, like what the world that my kids are living in right now and what it's going to be like when they reach my age or they reach their teens and 20s and you know, how different it's going to be and how the amount of tools they're going to have at their disposal to create and to, you know, thrive into stuff and it's like I've become, I've lost so much hope in the school system because it hasn't changed since I've been in school, except other than the fact they put them in front of screens now. The best thing in the world that can happen for your kids is you lose all hope in the government school system. That's what I've been told. I mean, I know a lot of people who have been pulling their kids out and putting them in homeschools. Home school. Home school or organized with other parents to do. Co-op, homeschools. Right. Co-op homeschools or, you know, some parents organize and create, we have a lovely two subscribers in the Netherlands who were aeronautical engineers and they found it so difficult to homeschool their kids. They started a school and they switched from engineering to running the school. But, you know, so there are many different solutions but your kids have to have great nutrition, you know, great water and great education. And there's no, they can't get it anymore in the schools. Right. But it's just not there. Yeah. Yeah. It's frightening. It's definitely frightening to see the rules go. But again, it's not all doom and gloom because I do see a lot of people that have been seen the light and have been becoming self-educated on this stuff and there's definitely a shift happening right now. So, if you look at the young people we're looking at for the Salary Builders or who are in it, they have had so much access to great information tools and it's the tools, they are way ahead of where we were at, you know, where my generation was at that, I mean, they're just light years ahead. Totally. And they're great. They're great people and they have their feet on the ground. We hired one who's a poet. We made a deal with him. He couldn't afford the tuition for the course. So we traded him ten columns on poetry for first tuition. That's awesome. And he's such a great writer with them. We hired him. So he's now writing half the stuff on our website. But he just wrote a column. So the first one is called pushback poetry because he's talking about how poetry is a great way to push back politically, but he just published one on cash high coups. So we try and get everybody to use cash because the automatic third lock can only happen if you have an all digital system. Right. So we keep telling, but he keeps cash alive, keep analog alive, don't go all digital, keep cash alive. Right. So everywhere I go, I try to use cash anyway, but so he did a column on cash high coupons to inspire everybody to use cash. And then he invited all the builders who graduated from the first course to write cash high coups. So they're writing cash high coups and these cash high coups are unbelievable. They're funny, they're inspiring and they really inspire to use cash, but they really help you understand who the central bankers are and what they're up to. That's cool. It is cool. Yeah. We were just at, I was just in Las Vegas a couple days ago and we went to this fear and we were reading like the tickets, right, about like all the rules and stuff like that. And it was no cash allowed. Don't bring any cash. You can do anything with cash here. Everything is digital. Everything is with the scan to pay or credit card. And I don't think I'd ever seen that. I mean, maybe I just don't need Florida much, but that was the first time I've ever seen you like that. So concerts and sports are one of the sort of diamond buildings where they're trying to push the no cash. Right. What was interesting is because of all the disasters around the world. The leaders pushing cash were the Scandinavian central banks and two of them have walked it back and said, after the floods in West North Carolina and East Tennessee, they came out and they said, you know, we were wrong to say no cash because the electrical grid may not always work. Right. So you know about Operation Fortress. Remind me. Operation Fortress is the new requirement at DOT that all the military bases have to have their own modular nuclear energy and be able to go 90 days off grid for like an EMP, something like that. Well, the question is, why are they doing it? You know, what's Operation? They announced it, I think, on October 1st. Oh, really? That recent. Yeah, it's recent. Can you look it up? Yeah. So let's look it up. What was the name of it? Operation Fortress. Fortress. Right. The Fortress America Initiative, short for federal operations, for resilience, troop resources, energy supply and survivability to ensure major US military installations can operate independently for at least 90 days if cut off from civilian infrastructure and global supply chains. Okay. Wow. So they're very excited about these modular nuclear units and this gives them the ability to do this. Portable microreactors? Yep. What does that mean? That sounds crazy. Yep. 2 billion in awards for nuclear microreactors of five military installations, including four Bragg and four hood. Right. So they're very excited about this technology, because you can literally put a nuclear microreactor in a plane, fly it someplace and have an operating base with your own energy. So it's. Like the Doomsday plane that the president has in case of a nuclear war? This is a microreactor, you can fit in the back of a truck. At least that's, I guess it's theoretical, there's no actual images. It should be one. There's an article about one that they flew. Oh wait, what's this? No, that's some AI shit. There's an actual picture of one in an article I was reading an article a couple months ago about one they were flying someplace. Bubbles are saw one. Looks like this would be a transported microreactor. Is that a real picture? Yes. It's a C-130. Yeah, that might. Well, I mean, they can power nuclear submarines. I'm sure they can figure out a way to power a military base, right, with the microreactors. So here. Is that what's in nuclear submarines? Yes, my guess. Yeah. If you're in government. So I've been a government official. If you're in government, you always want to have a plan for the worst case, even if it's only 1%. Right. So just because you have a plan for that 1% doesn't mean it's going to happen. Right. Or that you expect it to happen. It's 1%. So if you look at what's happening with AI, in the worst case, there are many scenarios where the only way to stop what's happening with AI is to shut down the grid, right? Mm-hmm. The only way you can stop a real doomsday. So we literally. I mean, think of how bizarre the world is, that we have the chairman of a company now coming out to raise $2,000,000 in an IPO who's just said publicly that his product may destroy the human race. Right. Do you think they really believe that? I. So let me. I don't know what to make of this. I was in meeting the other day and somebody said, you know, the young people hate AI. And there was a young person in the room who interrupted and said, we don't hate AI, we hate the tech bros. And I can't think of a. You know, if you look at the leadership of what Simon calls the "fick" or the "mech," you know, if you think they're bad, the tech is. The tech bros? Yeah. I don't. I don't believe a word any of them say. No, me neither. So I don't believe a word any of them say. But you have to understand, I just skimmed the S-1 for anthropic looking in the risk section for where they, you know, because under. If the chairman's out saying that the anthropic product could destroy the human race, you would think it would be in the risk section, but I couldn't find it. Now I haven't read it word for word. But, you know, where I come from, if the chairman believes that and it's not in the S-1, that is a material omission under the law, right? But why would I invest money in a company whose product might destroy the human race? Now, why am I investing 50% of my 401K in IRA in a company that is putting me in a slavery system? Right. You know, this. our society is in a state of multiple personality disorder. And I think the idea of being invited to invest in an AI company whose chairman says that they might destroy the human race is the ultimate endgame for where we've been going with investing money in companies that are poisoning us or poison our soil or, you know, we've been financing all of this and the time has come when we have to decide, do we want to finance the world? We want to live in or do we want to finance our demise? Mm-hmm. I don't know. Yeah. It doesn't track, it doesn't track logically. If they really do believe these things, the things that they're projecting out, this doom, you know, this thing that there is a huge percentage chance that this could end civilization. But what if China gets it. like that would be worse. You would say that would be worse if China ran the world, then whether the world didn't exist. If you look at the people who are running the world, they are running the world with China. Right. They invested the money in China. They're running the world with China. China is going to be here. China is going to be running the world with. These people live above nation states. Right. It's a multipolar world. China is going to be a major poll in the multipolar world. Mm-hmm. We are. our civilization runs off of things made in China. You know, it was. it was it who said, "You know, we can't have the Ukraine war unless China makes the bullets." Mm-hmm. So, our weapons made in China are. you know, who's. Our iPhones are made in China. Right. Who's living home here? Do you want cheap iPhones or do you want human rights in China? Right. Right. Right. But right now, we're not at war with China. We are deep. we're like Siamese twins with China. Right. Because our tech people rely on China. That's why Trump brought all of them over to. Our military relies on China. Our tech people rely on China. Our financial people have invested trillions in China. Mm-hmm. You know, when. when the head of the largest pension fund in the country said they've given up on the country, they're moving all the money out, starting in fall, he then said they're moving to Asia. We took enormous amounts of capital and pulled it out of the United States and invested in China. Who do you think built China? Who's capital built China? Wasn't it in the UK? It was European and American capital. The European. I mean, I remember, as soon as money started disappearing from HUD, Carl Lyle has a billion dollars for a China fund and there's the next Dylan Reed guy running it. Shhhh. You know, now nobody had ever heard of Carl Lyle, it's like we're all crazy wanted. How did they get a billion dollars from. no, you know, how do you start a firm and suddenly get a billion dollars to invest in China? Right. How's that. how's that happen? But they were pouring money into China. I had. I had one subscriber whose husband ran a utility, a government utility, and he was given orders. The Chinese are coming. This is 1998 or 99, and you were to take all your manuals, all your intellectual capital. Everything about your operation, train them on all of it and give them a copy for free. Boom. To China. That's insanity. No. That's an investment. That's a. you know, you're talking about a transfer of intellectual capital from our society to China. You know, one of the things we did is we didn't want pollution. So we moved all the manufacturing to China. They got the pollution. We got the stuff. Everybody went down to Walmart and. you know, bought stuff from China. Right. I mean, Walmart is just a marketing distribution center for Chinese goods. Mm-hmm. I mean, go into Walmart and see how much of that stuff is made in China. Yeah. It's most of it. Right. So all of it. So you can't have a war with Xiaomi's twins. Right. Right. You just have to build a public narrative for the people that live in your country so you can tell them a story. Right. And that story is disintegrating and not many people believe it anymore. Right. And there are tensions. So I'm not saying that there aren't tensions, but China's not going away. What. what is your view? I don't know. I'm sure you've noticed since Elon purchased X that the guardrails have been let off as far as speech goes. And basically you can get away with saying anything on social media right now, specifically mostly on X, but by and large in general across the internet, like all the lockdowns, all the guardrails on what you can't say, what you can't say have really been let off. And it's been an insane phenomenon to witness. And. I didn't want to go back on X. I got off of X and I said it's a honey trap. I don't want to be there. So we had a big internal debate and the slayer team was adamant. We had to be on X. So I said, okay, go back on. So I get on X. And the first thing they said is, you know, to be on X, you really want to get verified. And you want. We want you to send all your biometric and other data to this firm in Israel. Yes. Right. No. That was crazy. The author is not doing that. So for a long time, we weren't, we didn't have the blue thing until, I don't know, I think some, they changed the rules or something. But that's when I said, oh, this is a honey trap. They're going to collect all the data and when they're ready to lock down again, they will. Right. So I just think it's a honey trap. Yeah. And I'm also, they're doing money on there now. So now they have like a mobile payment system built into X. I just found, I just discovered a yesterday. Because they asked me to sign up for it. Okay. So here's what happened. I basically said, uh, it was a steal. Right. Right. You said, if I remember correctly, um, Elon was going in to suck up all of the HHS IRS and Social Security data. He never went to the place where the fraud was, so he didn't go to HUD or DOD. He went to where you would get the payment data. You wanted if you were going to stop start-grop money. But here's the other thing. I didn't think this at the time. Now I think he was also installing AI throughout the government bureaucracy. I think if you go in, I just had an experience with a government office. I think when you go into the government office, everything you say and do is being recorded by AI and transcribed and integrated, so I think you know. That's why everything that you're saying today makes me, especially with the satellite surveillance combined with the phone surveillance and your money being digitized and trying to create a social credit store score, makes me really question how free speech has been off the freaking chain for the last couple of years, and especially now ramping up more and more. And X is right in the center of this, and the ground zero of this whole phenomenon. Is this some sort of a, and I don't know how this would be possible, but I'm just speculating is it possible that they are intentionally letting people get away with saying whatever they want so they can sort of use AI to build some sort of a predictive model on how certain people will act in the future. Well, you're trying to get as much data as possible, right? And you're trying to train the AI. So you're in this sort of, you know, if you look at the history of information technology, you implement, you blossom, then you control, then you implement, you block, you know, and it goes in these waves. Tim Wu has a wonderful book about this. And so what X is doing, they're doing a blossom period. And I'm assuming what musk- A blossom period? Yeah, where you allow as many entrepreneurs as possible to prototype and try stuff and you see, you know, you're prototyping, you're seeing how it's working, you're teaching the AI, you're correcting information. But what was I going to tell you? So I think what musk is up to is he did it when he first started to pull the data out of the federal government. He did a deal with Palantir. So Croc AI and Palantir did a deal. But he also installed Starlink in the White House. I think that's surveillance. And I don't know how much he installed throughout the federal government, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was there. Starshield is the military version. And I don't know if you saw, you had a problem in the Ukraine because Starshield shut down the speed at which it would operate so the drones couldn't access, you know, they couldn't operate with Starshield. And musk said he didn't do it. The military did it, but then it turned out musk had done it after talking with Trump. So you have a private entrepreneur interceding with a military chain of command in the Ukraine. Outside. So what did Trump want him to do? He wanted him to slow down the internet speed. It appears as though Trump may have requested. We know musk did it, according to the Wall Street Journal, but Trump may have requested after talking with Putin about the diesel deal. You know, because the Ukrainians, you know, aka NATO, were blowing up energy facilities in Russia. Right. Okay. So, but here's the things, Tesla right now, according to their employees, is building robots at high speed. Right? Okay. At the same time that we are mandating poisonous shots to our army and Navy. So the Navy just mandated mRNA shots for all Navy sailors, right, flu shots, mRNA, okay. Which we know is dangerous poisoning. Okay. Tesla has a committee meeting with SpaceX to figure out how they can merge. Right. Okay. So you have a robot army and the satellites you need to manage that robot army, right? And the satellite capacity to also field drones, it's easy to just move drones in there. And now you're talking about the potential for either a US military or a tech-bro army that can control the country, right? You've got the data centers with the data, you've got the government even control any of this? Well, if Musk is interceding to manipulate the Ukraine war privately without the outside the military chain of command, what's he going to do with an army of robots and satellites and you tell me? Mm-hmm. If Elon Musk and not that it would happen, Sam Altman and Peter Teal all got together and decided they want to go against the United States military. So that'd be possible. You know, if you look at the operations, uh, yes, so here's the New York Post article posted what day the 22nd? This says that Trump told him to lift any limits on Starlink military grade, star shield for Ukraine. So to remove limits, not ad limits. Go down to the first paragraph. President Trump called Elon Musk on Wednesday to ask him to fully reverse any limits on crucial internet services. Okay. So this is after the original story. I want to make a mystery in conflicting report about what slowed US-provided battleship connected. Right. So they got caught and he told him to put it back allegedly. The reason Trump attacked Iran in 2026 after the covert operation failed. Why did the covert operation fail? Which covert operation are you speaking about the June 2025 thing? Remember what they did was they sent covert operators into Iran to try and engineer regime change and that not, yeah, who would apparently told Trump that this would work. They all had Starlink uploads and were coordinating through Starlink and Besant was doing a currency operation during that period. They drove the Iranian currency down against the US dollar more than 90 percent, wiping everybody out. You know, many went to stablecoins and then Besant and Epic Fury seized a billion dollars of Iranian. So this is really war on civilians. Okay. So you have this covert operation going on, why did it fail? Why? The Iranians figured out a way to cut off Starlink. They figured out a way to kill the communications of the covert operators through Starlink and of course the big question was that Chinese technology, was that Russian technology, was that Iranian technology? Interesting. And this is important because if you look at during 2025, there was real fear throughout the global leadership because the Palantir and Lavender kind of systems in Israel had been so effective at killing the Iranian leadership. But if you look at pages and the other, you have a cyber security operation who is assassinating and targeting people with incredible precision. Yeah. Okay. And what happened? And that was instilling real fear. Suddenly all the European leaders are like doing everything that Trump says and being very obsequious is like what happened and they don't want their page or to blow up, you know what I mean? And so this targeted assassination telecommunication system is instilling fear and control all over the place. So when the Greek ambassador just got fired and said, you know, we can get rid of your government. It's that systems that are used to do it. Okay. The Iranians figured out how to beat it. And that was shocking. That's what really, you know, my guess is that's why Trump really, he got surprised because the regime change operation failed and it failed because that suddenly the high tech telecommunications assassin system isn't working perfectly. Right. Right. Now, is it also one of your, I thought I recall you saying something about the reason that they wanted to evade, invade Iran was for the central banking system. I think so. And they wanted to make sure because that's one of the only, like one of the weak links where there's no control over central banking in Iran, right? So the question is how much control is there, but think of it this way. China has, if you look at competition between different parts of the multipolar world, there's cost of capital, there's cost of energy, and there's cost of labor, okay? If you have a lower cost of capital than I do, and a lower cost of energy and a lower cost of labor, who wins, you win, right, okay. Because the real pressure to do these operations happened when the Chinese sovereign bond cost dropped through the treasury. So if you look at a chart of sovereign bonds, you know, China's interest rate is going like this and the United States interest is going like this. like that. China now has a cheaper cost of capital. Right? Now, we've done extraordinary things to bring down our cost of energy, but also to market our L&G around the world. And we are engineering, if you bring up that collection, that in the email that says recent collections, bring up that email and I'll show you this link. What we are doing make sure you have us to you. We are going from an open trade model with the Brettonwood system to a closed trade model where we are controlling by controlling energy and the trade bottlenecks, the straits. Right. And one of the goals of that is to increase the cost of energy to China. They clearly have cheaper labor. So now they have cheaper capital on the on the bond side, not on the equity side, but our hope. Yeah, so so click on that first link. So this we update this every month. We're just about to put up the new update in a week or so. Okay, just scroll down. What this shows you is the fact that for this is the chaining neocon strategy of controlling energy worldwide. Right. The petro dollar is going away, but it's being replaced literally by a natural gas L&G sort of petro version, but in a closed trade model. So just came down. And this is just all the refining and energy capacity that's been destroyed globally. Keep going. It's not just Ukraine and it's not just the Middle East. This is why the Ukrainian drones are going into Russian and blowing up refineries. You're trying to control energy worldwide. So all every single item here on the date is a list of a refinery. It's it's it's something it's it's an attack on energy facilities that's asserting control. So let's look at that one. Moscow Russia. Ukrainian drone strikes Moscow. Captain Captain Va oil refinery. Wow. Right. So keep going down. That's insane. Oh no, it's it's all over the world. And it's not just Ukraine Middle East. It's all over the world. And then. Pause against him. What's that one judge? July 25th. Ukrainian drone. Do Ukrainian drone strikes. Tuman oil refinery. Where's that? Wow. Right. So one of the reasons they wanted to stop the Ukrainians thing is Trump's trying to get diesel to come down before the election. Right. Okay, so keep going down. And he just made that comment recently. He said our oil our oil companies are making hundreds of billions of dollars. So let me get to that because the strategy is very successful. Okay, so keep going down that we get into September more blowing everything up. Okay, stop here. So now I go into key statistics. Keep going down. And then I go into trade bottlenecks because it's not just Tormuz. It's Panama Canal. It's the Straits of Milwaukee. It's the Straits of Gibraltar. And what we do here is we go through Russia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, India, and the Gulf United States and Brazil. Yeah, keep going down. This is worldwide. And what you see keep going down gets a trade bottlenecks. And this is at trade routes and ports. Here are all the controls being asserted of all the different trade bottlenecks and all the different Straits. It's not just Tormuz. Now here's what you when you go through this Danny and this is the reason we we do these collections. It's a Larry. What you realize is oh, this is not the Trump administration. This is longer deeper. This is the whole five eyes team asserting a closed energy model globally. It's really, this is the old Neocon strategy and it's working. Now the IMF just came out with a assessment of the global economy and said growth is slowed. But what has happened is war has reallocated economic strength to some countries away from others. So you're watching essentially the United States compost its allies to ensure that it has the strongest economy. And what this closed energy model is doing, we're shipping above market LNG to Europe and Asia making a fortune. Right. And if you look at the IMF report, the US is by far and away the strongest economy because it's a giant site. It's the tapeworm. It's giant sucking sound of economic value all around the world and shifting it into the US. So this strategy is working. You know, it doesn't look like it looks like oh, the America is losing the Iran war. That's not the goal is to win a war. No, the goal is to have a control globally of energy. Now here's the question. We know that the US and other countries have breakthrough energy. Do we? Yeah, we do. We have it. The question is, are we ready to launch it? Whether it's micro nuclear reactors. See, that was one of my biggest questions too, which what you just said sort of answers that is how come we haven't seen any sort of, you know, crazy super weapons or or stuff that operates on a different type of energy source or anything like that during these conflicts. But if the conflicts aren't, I think, I think we may have seen some of it. Oh, really? They want to keep that as quiet and secret as possible. So, you know, we don't know, we don't know really what we've seen. I mean, we've seen weather warfare. So that's happening. But have you seen the sightings of that UFO over Iran? I've heard about it. I don't know anything about it. Yeah, I don't know anything about it either. Just some funny pictures. It's weird. Here's the problem when you talk about who runs the world. What you have to do is, you know, you go up through the layers of, you know, of the financial system and the central central banking warfare. So the financial system, the central banking guys, the military guys, and then now we've got tech coming in and growing more powerful. And presumably, if you look at the technology, they have the power in the technology to take power away from both military and central bank. I think the reason they've wanted the kinds of people that they've raised up in Silicon Valley to make sure that they can't do that, that they can't reduce. You know, they, they can't usurp the the military or the financial guys. But that's a whole another conversation. Interesting. The problem is once you go up above, you know, so the question is who controls the central bank? And in my experience, it's inner generational pulls of capital. You know, it's private pulls of capital who provide that strategic direction. And they meet and come up with consensus. But then you keep going up and what you find is, if you look at what's going on in this planet, there's all sorts of weird stuff going on. And I know because if you go back and you scroll through, your videos, you've explored a lot of the stranger things going on in this planet. And the question is, what is that about? You know, why do we have all these underground bases? What are all these things flying around in the sky? You've seen them. I we've all seen them. And, and who are they? And what is it? And, you know, what I told you the last time I was here is, I'm absolutely convinced that our civilization is interacting with one or more breakaway civilizations or more advanced civilizations. And the question is, who are they? Where are they from? Are they from this planet? Are they human? Do they live on the moon? Do they live in the inner earth? Are they time try? You know, you can go down a thousand rabbit holes. But I don't know what the truth is. But one of the things I will tell you from unpacking the financial system is there is there are one or more separate civilizations. Do you think there's something to this whole circus in the government trying to find out, quote, unquote, disclosure and what this is? Do you think there's anything to that? That's all just a limited hangout, smoking mirrors, distraction. I don't really know what it is. It's either distraction or just trying to leak little bits out, you know, the steam valve again. But there's no major effort by nobody gives their power away. And all of that was used and excused to move all the technology into private companies. And that's what's fueling a lot of their wealth. And nobody gives their wealth away for free. I mean, here's the tragedy. The taxpayers are not just missing 21 trillion in undocumented adjustments, 29 trillion on the bailouts. They're missing technology that's worth far more and data worth far more that's been transferred, whether it's transferred to doge, you know, through doge to Elon Musk's companies or, you know, to all the defense contractors, et cetera. So. And then you put on top of that the fact that we have a debt-based currency when we don't need to, we could just issue greenbacks. So 21 trillion plus 29 trillion plus 40 trillion debt. It's all, you know, plus the technology going out the door. If you look at how wealthy we still are, it's quite remarkable because the extraction has been unbelievable. Right. Anyways, so, so I don't, I don't think there's a real effort to disclose. Part of it is if my understanding is that many several times in the past people have tried to do that and they've tried to figure out how you could disclose and they can't come up with a way of dealing with the liabilities. If you tell the population, "Oh, we've moved 100 trillion out to these private companies and now all these tech billionaires are worth billions," and it was really financed with your money. People are going to want their money back, right? Oh, yeah, 100%. So, how do you manage that? I imagine they fear what the retaliation would there be some sort of mass retaliation or like revolution? People with sort of burning shit down, I would imagine. I don't know. Maybe that's why they're building bunkers. No, I think they're building bunkers because if what they have done to others was done to them, in other words, it's a project of identification here. They're projecting how they would react. I don't think they're understanding how the common person would react. I think here's the problem. If you look at where you and I would want to go, if we wanted to live in an excellent civilization, if we wanted to be part of an advanced civilization, we would go on a different trajectory than they're going. 100%. Right. I don't think they want to go where we want to go. And ultimately, what we're having a debate about what you and I are discussing is do we want to use our capital as a civilization? Because if you look at the amount of money that we're talking about here, we're talking about a bet on where civilization's going to go. They want a highly centralized civilization using AI and these tools to have complete control because they think that's the best way to risk management. What they're afraid of is risk and they want to keep control. What we want is something that's going to result in a meritocracy. They're going to lose control. They're afraid that you can't get from here to there in a way that's not dangerous to them or to the civilization. It comes back to us to put out the vision of how we get to an advanced civilization because what they're building is not something I want to live in. So I'll give you an example. Jared Kushner, when he left the administration, did that podcast and he said, "I'm going to be the first generation to live forever, the last generation to not live forever?" Did you see that one? Was that with Lex Friedman? I forget who it was. This first generation to live forever. And the last generation not to live forever. It was during that period that Sean Parker said, "I'm a billionaire so I'm going to live to 145 and you're not a billionaire so you won't." But Kushner was basically saying, "Given the advances in biotech and part of this is AI applied to biotech, I'm going to be able to. " They want to become a breakaway civilization. That's the definition of a breakaway civilization. Well, it's going to be another. I think we already have one or more. It's kind of like the way I think about it is the same way there's naked people running around in the Amazon rainforests and we're sitting here in a city recording a podcast. That probably goes up another level. I watched it happen where they stopped thinking of the average person as the same species. They started to look at us like livestock and they're a different species. It was one of the reasons I wanted to leave the establishment because I basically, when I looked at their plans to the extent that I understood them then, I said, "This is not going to work and I want no part of it." You know, it's primitive. It's a primitive plan. But you can see, if I think I'm going to live forever and my children are going to live forever, you would see why somebody would not want there to be 9 billion people on the planet who could have children are going to live forever. Then you're talking about a real environmental problem. Oh yeah. This is from Kushner. Yes. One thing I'm trying to put a priority on since I left the White House was, you know, getting some exercise in. I think that there's a good probability that my generation is hopefully with advancement in science, either the first generation to live forever with the last generation that's going to die. So we need to keep ourselves in pretty good shape, Catherine. So this is why he needs more than 25 billion in his brokerage. Can he needs? Right. He needs. Yeah. You got to crack some eggs. You got to grease some, grease some points. Imagine having to, to put up a trust fund that could last forever. That's it. That's it for sure. That's a big family trust. No wonder they're grifting so much. Oh my God. Well, Catherine, thank you for doing this. No, thank you. This has been fascinating. It's a, I, you know, I enjoy your podcast. So I'm regularly going and seeing what's so much. Wow. I'm the same way with all your talks. I've always blown away by what you, the stuff that you're tracking and thank you again for. Well, but here's the thing. We're going to figure it out. Right. Right. So it's just you and I just and people like us need to just keep turtle. That's right. That's right. One more time, let people know where they can learn more about your stuff, your website and all that. Salary dot com SO L A R I dot com. It's called the Salier Report. We'd love to have you as a subscriber. And there's plenty of great stuff. And if I could make one recommendation, we have a wonderful PDF. You can download cold coming clean and it's a buffet and it's a, it's sort of a way to sort of turtle through this environment, um, building your personal excellence, building your entrepreneurship, building your, um, your ability to be successful in this environment. I have watched families who understood what was happening and took action. They're very successful. That's incredible. But you really, you know, it's like, it's like living in a war. You know, you have, there's opportunity and there's risk. And you have to be clear. You're in a war and you have to know who your friends are and who your enemies are. And you have to not bank with your, that's right. People don't bank with chase. I didn't say that. You should bank. I believe it or not. I'm going to ask you about some banks. This last year, I recommended somebody that they stay in chase. Everybody's unique. There are reasons. You recommended for somebody interesting. I recommended to somebody that they stay in chase. It was the right thing for them. Okay. I won't bore you with the details. But okay. The most important thing you need to understand when it comes to good financial planning, everybody's unique. Everybody's different. And what you should do is totally different than what somebody should do. And if anybody in the internet says everybody should have 10% of this, don't listen. Right. It's your unique and your asset is you and the people you love. Right. Yeah. Totally. And your money is there to support them and make sure they are fine, no matter what happens. And everybody's unique. So don't listen. Awesome. Thanks. You can thank you again. Very well said. We'll link all that stuff below for folks. And we'll have to do another one down the road. Okay. Definitely. Thank you, Danny. My pleasure. We got some paid drunk questions. Good night, folks.