#444 - Something Very Strange Is Happening at The Vatican | Exiled Minister

all right kevin and annette annette is that your real name yes it is the uh i travel under another name okay i faced and i'm facing a serious blacklisting in canada so it's hard to uh serious what blacklisting yeah it's just been hard impossibly good work and so canada's a crazy place huh they seem to be a little bit more they seem to be more totalitarian than china even they're really uh similar like the trudeau government gave china the right to station troops on canadian soil to protect all its oil and gas in the west and up north so i mean yeah it operates that way the trudeau family there are some weird things about them too yeah i know lots of strange things one of the crazy conspiracies is that his uh dad was fidel castro have you heard that one i've heard that i know that his mom margaret um was treated in a psych ward where they did a lot of mklt experiments and all three of the trudeau boys were brought in there at a young age i know that from nurses who worked there in vancouver it's called the hollywood hospital uh-huh and uh yeah so there is that whole they were both jesuit educated uh pierre and justin his son so yeah yeah i heard that like the mom was uh went through some crazy shit yeah and uh had potentially like lots of children that she doesn't even know about or something like that could be i wouldn't doubt it and um yeah weird like seems to be like a very creepy history with that family lots of weird weird things that are happening how did you get connected to you said you know people who know them in all my work over the years uh-huh and i was based out of vancouver where she lived her dad was a cabinet minister in the pearson government uh uh sinkler their name was oh okay and uh yeah so living in vancouver as a minister working on the street you hear all sorts of this stuff right from my witnesses and stuff so you were a minister how did that help stay how did that start for you i in my late 20s i went into the united church and uh worked for a few years i ended up on the west coast and began to encounter a lot of the stuff in the native community and that whole opened a whole can of worms about the indian schools and all the children dying there that's really what got me fired initially and delisted they call it in the church where you can't work anymore so what denomination was the church so united church is the largest protestant it's like presbyterian methodists kind of and how long were you a minister uh total of uh seven years and after that again the blacklisting set in we're not on are we yeah we're rolling oh yeah yeah maybe i should i don't know do you want me to give a bit of a background yeah please so yeah i grew up in western canada and in my late 20s like i said went into the united church and i had a really kind of community ministry orientation where i didn't believe in kind of organized religion i felt we had to be out in the community working with people it was kind of my natural inclination so i get ordained in 1990 and i'm married at the time we have two young daughters and i get called out to the west coast of canada so this is vancouver island pacific northwest you know kind of northwest of seattle that whole area yeah and um i began to work with the native people which had had a background doing that and um already in vancouver doing street ministry and that but it was quite mind-blowing the week i get there i'm hired by this dying congregation saint andrew's united church and they said to me i'm going to be a minister in canada and i'm going to be a minister in canada and they said to me we need somebody's going to bring in new blood you know young people and we want to save our congregation from dying so i said great that's my traditional orientation and i noticed there were no native people sitting in any of the pews or working in any of the stores which is odd because nearly half of the local people were aboriginal right there was kind of this apartheid division you never saw whites and natives mixed together or anything right so what do the native people look like they look different yeah on the pacific coast they look kind of japanese because there's an interesting connection across the pacific the natives talk about the whites before the whites and we don't know if that was the vikings who came in over through the northwest passage or somebody else right so it's kind of a whole interesting area about that right interesting yeah um anyway i get right that first week when i started in the in the church i got called out to a native home by a guy called danny gus he was a retired native fisherman and he wanted to get married to his part in there after like 30 years they finally decided to tie the knot so i did the wedding ceremony right in their living room right and i said to him danny um i've noticed there are no native people in any of the churches or any of this like what's going on why is there that separation and he sat there for a while looking out his window at the back hill and where he lived was right next to the site of what was called the indian alberni indian residential school now these were state and church-run institutions you have them in america too not as many but they were all over western canada and every native child had to go into these or their parents would go to jail and the statistics i found you know right away is that half these children never came back they died on mass and they were taking the healthy putting them with the sick letting them die of tb and smallpox it was a way to depopulate the natives to get the land you know kind of happened all over the world america canada was no exception so i said to danny like how come you know there aren't any natives in the churches and that i kind of asked him naively he finally said they killed my best friend in that place and he's buried in those hills out back and the whites know it they don't want us in their churches so that's my first that's the fall of 1992 and it just blew me away i didn't know how to you know interpret that so i i started asking my colleagues in the church they got all paranoid and defensive they say don't believe the indians they just don't like us because we took their land they're making all this stuff up don't believe it and then i got some veiled threats from some of the people uh in the church saying you know you've got a young family to support my second daughter just being born and if you keep going down this route you know there might be some problems for you so i was getting those kind of veiled threats from the beginning but i was doing such a good job building the church people kind of turned a blind eye to that we went from like 10 to nearly 100 people on sundays it was a booming congregation and that went on that way for about two years and then i found out from some of the local native elders that the church had inherited lots of stolen native land uh in canada especially there was a thing called the clergy reserve where the british crown said okay we own this all this land now and if you you're a missionary and you pitch your tent on land you automatically get 200 acres regardless of who's living there right and uh if you're a niche if you're a missionary yeah and you just set up camp you automatically get 200 acres they were called clergy reserves and naturally they tended to build on really lucrative land you know old growth timber rich fisheries and minerals so after that the united church that i was part of had all of this native land uh that they one of the missionaries had grabbed and the biggest corporate takeover in canadian history was about to happen weyerhaeuser it's a big american i don't know if you've heard of it it's a big american logging company out of seattle weyerhaeuser weyerhaeuser okay and they were wanted to acquire macmillan blue dell which is the largest logging company in british columbia and a big donor of the united church so the united church did a backroom deal where they took this land and just handed it over to mcmillan blow dell even though our church policies were different our church policy said if we have native land in our possession from the missionary days we have to return it to the native nation we can't just profit from it so i was just quoting church policy i wrote a letter about that next thing i know i'm out of my can and they've gone to my wife and said we're going to make sure this guy never works again if you want a divorce we'll fund your divorce and all of this macabre stuff happening it just hit me out of the blue like why why over this land and as it turned out there was very big money involved in this land and we're going to make sure this guy never works again and as it turned out there was very big money involved and they were concerned about the stories that i was helping to unearth about all the native kids going missing so it was about big money kind of genocidal history they don't want to hear about and it all came down to me like a ton of bricks and holy the rest is history as they say you know so going back walk me through again you you were telling me that the the church was taking in the native children and half the children they were taking in were disappearing yeah i mean if people go to murderbydecree.com that's my website i published all of these records online because after i got fired i started working on my phd at the university of british columbia and lo and behold here's all these records from a guy called dr peter bryce he was commissioned by the canadian government in 1909 to go and do a health inspection of all these indian schools okay and he finds over half the children are dying every year systematically year after year now i'm going to give you some perspective on that um in some of them you know and what was the cause of death uh they never gave cause of death but when you checked into the records it was massive deaths from communicable disease but the same dr peter bryce said they're deliberately exposing children to TB and smallpox. They would take the healthy, put them in the same dorm as the sick, lock them in, they're all dead, right? And then they can blame it as an act of nature. So it is deliberate germ warfare, and they even called it that. Now, you know what's really weird, Danny, is that these records were in the university library system since 1975. And when I discovered them in 1996, after I got thrown out of the church, I was the first one to publish them. So there's this agreed silence about the whole issue in the academic world, in the media, and they still won't talk about that simple statistic. I mean, how do you get half the children die in year after year unless it is deliberate? Because, you know, normally, I know when my mom was young and one of the young kids in her school got tuberculosis. He was gone the same day they had him in a TB sanitarium so the other kids wouldn't get infected. But if you look at that picture, here's children, sitting with open tubercular sores, bandages on their heads, along with the other Native kids, that's proof they were deliberately spreading the disease among Native people. And they openly talked about it, but trying to get this stuff published, this was the front page of the Ottawa Citizen newspaper, November 15, 1907. Schools aid white plague. They describe a death rate of up to 69%. White plague? Yeah, they call tuberculosis the white plague, is the name they had for it. Or they called it consumption back then. A lot of people get TB, but they were, you know, they were treated. But if you're a Native, no, they just let you die from it. So that was one of the chief ways they exterminated so many, probably over 90% of the West Coast Natives were killed in two generations. Jesus Christ. Now, people are always talking about Auschwitz and the death rate there and everything, in the Nazi death camps. The average death rate in Auschwitz was around 25% because they were working people, it was a work camp as well. Right? There were industrial facilities nearby. Double that rate in Indian schools. Over half, decade after decade. We know from 1891 right up to after World War II, they were dying at the same rate. You know, so of course it was deliberate and you can't talk about that in Canada or like I experienced, you're out the door, right? How many people do you estimate died in total? How many Native people? Children. And this was aimed at children. In a period from 1891 to 1892, when they closed in 1996, probably 60,000 to 80,000 children because we just calculated from the number of schools and the average death rate, easily that number. Yet in Canada, they did this enormous cover-up. The government and churches got together after we exposed this stuff. The government of churches? Government and churches. And churches. Yes. And they did their own investigation into themselves called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. And they said only 3,000 died, which contradicts their own figures of half of them dying. Every year. So it was, you know, the whole movement we built to pressure that admission over 20 years, that's a whole story in itself. But they've swabbed a lot of this off the internet and the public memory now. So, you know, this is why I really appreciate the interview today because it helps keep the memory alive of not only the crime, but everything we did to expose it. You know? That's terrible, man. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the fact that they were also able to get away with buying, or not, buying, just basically stealing tons of land with that law that you said, and then enabling, doing a backdoor deal with giant logging companies to come in there and cut down trees. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it isn't just about the logging. Another example from the States as well is there's a lot of uranium on Lakota Sioux land in South Dakota, in that area, and one of the companies that operates that is called Camco. It's a Canadian company. And if you check there among all the people on the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations, most of the families literally are all dying of cancer because it's called uranium in situ mining, where the uranium kind of seeps into the water table and everyone's dying from it. They moved out all the white families, kept in Lake Lakota on their land, right? And it's that kind of, you could call it environmental genocide where, you know, people know perfectly well, that there's going to be a huge fallout from this, but they're just Indians, which under Canadian law, they're not citizens. They're wards of the state. It's called the Indian Act. And you don't get this anywhere in the world because you're not allowed to target legislation at a particular group. You know, like do they have an Irish Act or an Italian Act where you've got to live in certain areas or you can't get government benefits, but you have an Indian Act, which is, again, not allowed. It's under international law, yet it is in Canada, you know? Yeah, that's so weird. Yeah, I know. Everybody knows somebody who owns a rental property and loves to brag about all the income they generate. The problem is rental properties always means tenants, repairs, paperwork, and all the headaches that comes with the responsibility of being a landlord. That's what makes Mogul interesting. Mogul is a real estate investing platform built by Goldman Sachs real estate alumni. You can own real stakes in professionally vetted rental properties and get exposure to real estate. You can also get exposure to monthly dividends, appreciation, and all the tax benefits of real estate ownership without having to manage the property yourself. 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And they are, we found an interesting thing back in 2022 from many of my contacts, native contacts in BC, we found, I don't know if you remember, Pope Francis came to British Columbia and all across Canada to supposedly issued an apology to all the people they killed. And he actually met, he and Pietro Perolin, who was the Vatican Secretary of State, met with, with the Chinese in Prince Rupert, which is a super port in North Northwest BC, up near Alaska. Okay. It's the main super port that where they take a lot of the oil and gas because China's shifting from coal to liquid natural gas. Biggest deposits are in British Columbia, Northern Alberta, the Alberta tar sands, all that land still occupied by native people. So we found over the years, so many disappearances happening, a whole native families in that area just vanishing. They call it the highway of tears. They call it the highway of tears in Northwestern BC. Massive numbers of disappearances. And even the government admitted this and they did kind of a pseudo inquiry, missing women's inquiry, they called it. But a number of years ago. But in fact, it's because the Chinese with help from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are clearing out native people from the whole area. 'Cause where all the disappearances happen, you can chart it on a map. It's right where the liquid natural gas sites are. - No way. - Yes. We've got this well-documented. - Is there anything like a map of this online we can find anywhere that shows? - I can send you all of this stuff. We have all the research online. - Okay. - And in shows I've done with different people, we do this. - And how much territory roughly, you're saying China controls, they don't control the territory, but the government in Canada has given them access to- - Oh yeah. - To extract the resources. - It's called the Harper government, the Tory government under Stephen Harper, and then the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau, all signed up. And they've signed into law this thing called the Foreign Investment Protection Act, FIPA. And FIPA allows China to buy up the whole economy. It removes all limits on Chinese investments. - Wow. - It also allows their security forces to be based in Canada. That can include the PLA, their soldiers. And in fact, we have monitored- - Can you look this up, Steve? - We've monitored Chinese joint troop movements and naval movements with the Canadians, all up and down the West Coast. And it surprises me that America hasn't gotten into a shooting war, which it may, over this whole thing happening right on this West Coast, because they're basically using this Prince Rupert super port to channel out all the resources and bring in tons of illegal immigrants. And I mentioned Pope Francis, he signed a deal with China in the summer of 2022, underwriting Chinese expansion into North America, which is the only way to do that. And he signed a deal with China to bring in tons of illegal immigrants and bring in tons and tons of immigrants. And he signed a deal with the United States to bring in tons and tons of immigrants. all of this access in Canada? Well, he's not giving it directly, but they're funding it. And whosoever got the gold makes the rules, right? The Vatican Bank has enormous financial resources. It's been estimated that 80% of all the bank deposits end up either in the Vatican Bank or the Bank of International Settlements in Geneva. What percent? About 80%. 80%? And don't forget now, the BRICS alliance, the Vatican is putting a lot of its money in the East. China is the only country in the world that gets to appoint Catholic bishops and cardinals, right? They have a really, really close relationship. And so- What? Oh, yeah. China gets to appoint Catholic bishops and cardinals? Yeah, yeah. It's the only country in the world where they've been given that right. For, like, in Italy? Like, there's no Catholicism in China. Oh, yeah, there is, yeah. They have, officially, it's an underground church, but the government allows them to operate because of the financial ties they have with the Vatican Bank. You know? So, there's, you know, there's dissident Chinese bishops in Hong Kong, right? Uh-huh. And Taiwan. And they play that up. You know, there's the public image, and then there's what goes on behind the scenes, right? Okay, this says, what does this say? The Vatican-China agreement remains confidential, but it was designed to bridge the gap between China's Right. and the state-run Catholic Patriotic Association and underground churches loyal to Rome. Wow. Yeah, it is a state church. Go back to that last thing you were looking at. Okay. The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement, which entered into force on October 1 of 2014, does cover Chinese investments in Canada and Canadian natural resource extraction. The treaty explicitly defines protected investment to include contracts, contracts, and concessions involving the right to search for and extract oil and other natural resources. Here, I should mention something. In the second paragraph, it says, Canada still controls whether Chinese companies are permitted to acquire blah, blah, blah. Right. That's formally true. But there was a guy called Richard Fadden. He was head of Canadian Security Intelligence Service. They're like Canada's CIA. And he made a report in 2010 saying, the Chinese government had systematically infiltrated the British Columbia government, it's at various levels. So they used Chinese Canadians to get into positions of, you know, deciding where their resources are to be spent and everything, and they, they own the government from within. So when they say Canada, they're talking about really a puppet regime run more and more directly by China. Really? Yeah, yeah. And in fact, you know how Canada and the U.S. traditionally had a very tight economic relationship, you know, tariff agreements, all that. Yeah. It's now shifted to China. Canada has more direct foreign investment in China now than in America. And so, yeah, that's geopolitically where things are shifting. Can you look that up too? Yeah. That is why, I did not know about this. Mm-hmm. That is insane. Yeah. Because they're also in Mexico. So we're surrounded by China. Well, here's another interesting thing. The present Pope, he's an American, right? Mm-hmm. Leo, right? Not Leo. Robert Prevost, his name is, he's from Chicago. Oh, okay. But he actually did most of his work in South America. And they call him, in Rome, the second Latin American Pope because, remember, Francis was from Argentina. He got in because he was close with the military dictatorship there during the dirty wars. But this guy, Prevost, has, when, helped sign. When you say Prevost, are you talking about the Pope, the current Pope? Leo. Okay. That's his name. Oh, I didn't know that. Robert Prevost. How do you get Leo from Robert Prevost? They adopt these names, you know. That's very odd. Yeah. It's part of the whole thing. I heard his brother actually lives in Sarasota. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, here's the thing, though. He's opened up the super port in Lima, Peru with the Chinese, over a billion and a half dollars in Chinese investment. So he is doing what his predecessor did, Francis, greasing the wheels to allow China to pretty much own a lot of the resources in the Western Hemisphere. You know, so to control the whole Pacific Rim. I mean, from their point of view, it makes sense, right? Wow. Yeah. Chinese investors currently have stronger investment protection. What does investment protection mean? I thought you meant, I thought we were asking it if it has more investments in China than it does in the U.S. Well, in certain areas, they do, and in certain areas, they don't. Okay. But generally speaking, everything is shifting towards China. Like I say, including the Vatican Bank money. Now, the reason they're able to do all this is because of, and tying it together with what I talked about at the beginning. Okay. There was this massive church-state plan of how to get the land and resources. Wiping out the indigenous people and getting rid of anyone who had evidence about it. And that's why they came down on me so dramatically. And how that blacklist has continued year after year with me, right? After, you know, trying to bring all this stuff out. So, you know, I mean, it doesn't, it's not surprising when you look at the history of how the system operates. But people have this false notion of Canada as being such a nice place, right? And that's really covered to allow a lot of crime to go on behind the camouflage. That is wild. Yeah. And when you say blacklisting, what do you mean specifically? How are they blacklisting you? Well, I'll tell you. After I got fired by the church, they, or even before that, they went to my wife and said, we're going to make sure he never works again. If you want to divorce him, we'll pay for it. And they did. They paid her lawyer over $60,000 to make sure that I was a lost custody of the kids and went through hell, basically. Now, that came out in divorce trial. It also came out when the next year they- It came out in the divorce trial that they were funding her. That the church had funded her divorce. And now it's what you do to a whistleblower. You go after their family, you go after their public reputation, the whole bit. Right. And that happened. But also it happened right at the same time and they timed it to coincide with them throwing me out of the church and blackening my name publicly. I was the only minister in United Church history ever to be publicly defrocked. So it was a public show trial. And they said, we're going to bring in all this dirt to show what a horrible minister this Kevin Anand was, when in fact they couldn't. They didn't prove the case at all. But they spent over a quarter of a million dollars trying to do it. So I remember talking to reporters and I was saying to them, why would they spend so much money to get rid of one minister? Just because I wrote a letter about a land deal they had done with MacMillan, Bedell and Weyerhaeuser, right? There's something else going on. And that actually helped me. It sparked media interest in my case for the first time and allowed me to get involved with the natives. And we got a lot of light shining on our efforts to expose this genocide in the Indian schools. We held a tribunal in 1998. We forced the apology in 2008. We built a whole movement at the grassroots, holding protests at churches, holding conferences. And after we occupied the biggest Catholic cathedral on a Sunday morning, we went in there peacefully, me and a bunch of natives. And it hit all the press. The next month, the government announces the apology. The official apology. And that wasn't accidental. It was a way to kind of start spinning the issue to make it seem like, well, a few children were harmed, but we've apologized. They started buying off survivors with money and gag orders. If you got money from the church, the so-called healing fund, you weren't allowed to sue the churches after that. So it was a typical kind of spin you do when you're the guilty party and you're still in power. But all of that began to teach people a lot of stuff. And it led directly to our role in actually forcing Pope Benedict out of office in 2013. Because we got called over to Europe. You see, I got kind of shut out of—in South Africa, under apartheid, they call it banning. If you were a banned person, you weren't allowed to meet with people. Your name couldn't be mentioned in the press. That's what happened in Canada to me after the official apology came down in 2008. I was never quoted again in the press. I began to get shut out. I couldn't rent rooms. And right at that same time, I get invited over to Europe, in Ireland, because I was actually visiting relatives there. And the survivors of the Catholic Church began holding meetings, and they invited me to it. And I was sitting to listen to some of their stories, and they said, "You know, this sounds like a group of native people in Canada. The same atrocities, using kids in medical experiments, sterilizing them at a young age. All happening in Catholic hospitals and orphanages." And I said, "We've got to be united across borders." And we began to bring in court cases in Europe. And one of them involved Pope Benedict, and that's a whole story in itself of how we forced his resignation in 2013. But it began to show people that, you know, you're not a victim anymore. If you're standing with the truth, you have a lot of power in the world. And that's why they try to intimidate people and, in many cases, make them go missing. And there were seven native people who worked with us in Vancouver alone who all died in the course of this. Beaten by police, died in prison. The famous case of a guy called William Coombs. He had seen, when he was a young boy in the Catholic school in Kamloops, he saw Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip show up, take ten children away. They were never seen again. Who saw this? William Coombs and a guy called Jesse Jules. William Coombs was part of our whole campaign. And he was going to come to London to testify about that. He dies two days before he gets on the plane. The Mounties pick him up, take him to St. Paul's Catholic Hospital. He's dead within two days. and the nurse chloe kirker said that he had all the symptoms of arsenic poisoning the blackened fingernails all of that tuberculosis officials official cause of death right oh my god and he was going to testify he saw queen elizabeth take these kids and um you know so i mean it's it's that whole church state kind of cover-up thing going on right i've used nicotine pouches for a very long time but eventually the negative downsides started to rear their ugly head i was starting to feel more on edge i would have a more elevated heart rate and the vasoconstrictive effects was really screwing with my workouts and that's why i started using ultra's new energy pouches they're 100 nicotine free with zero sugar and zero calories these energy pouches combine caffeine with l-theanine and vitamins b3 b6 and b12 for a punch of energy and a smoother more sustained energy experience i got all the same great pouch experiences i got from nicotine the burn the flavor and the 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people and comparing it with the evidence i'd come up with like in a court of law you need eyewitness testimony documentation of some kind and some kind of forensic proof like you know bones right mass graves whatever we had all three of those we had dug dig days in canada with the mohawk elders in ontario which produced bones out of the oldest indian school in canada and we sent those bones to the smithsonian institute early in 2012 report came back yeah those are children's bones died of tb but was this like where where did you find the children's bones exactly brentford ontario um was it in a grave or what was that we did an excavation the mohawk elders approved the dig and they were able to dig the bones and they were able to dig the bones and they were able to dig the bones and they were able to dig the bones and they were able to dig the bones we found within an hour of digging we found these buttons which i have with me actually and bones tied in the roots of trees now that's because after they buried children they tended to plant trees on top of them to hide the remains right but those are some of the buttons that we we uncovered and geronimo henry who had gone to the school said yeah those were the buttons off our school uniforms and um you know like i say don ordner he was a chief pathologist in smithsonian institute he confirmed their children and uh none of that made the canadian media it was all censored right out but wouldn't there be a conventional explanation for children being there i mean if your children if a child gets sick and dies you have to bury him right like well especially when you have a 50 death rate where are all the bodies going now at first the churches and government denied it all and then when they couldn't deny it anymore they said okay well they died unfortunately and we had to bury them you know they can just get around that and it gets even worse when you have a 50 percent death rate where are all the bodies going and more ludicrous one thing i wanted to mention at the beginning was last spring i got called back to port alberni by a group of native women and they said when we were young we had to we had to throw these newborns into the furnace right throw who newborn babies into the furnaces at the port alberni united church indian school now we already had testimonies of people seeing that happen of nuns and priests throwing newborns because you see the young girls would get pregnant from the priests they had to get rid of their children they had to get the evidence but that what was really odd danny was that last spring when the native people said we had to do it as children the local united church releases a draft press release admitting that they did it they did what specifically that children were thrown into furnaces at the alberni indian can we find this no because what happened was it was a draft press release they showed it to the local tribal council the native politicians and said we're going to release this but don't tell the press don't tell anyone about it don't tell the police and it's an acknowledgement now nobody does that unless they're trying to conceal something else they don't go to that extent and what we found subsequently was and i knew this from previous testimonies in that in the local indian hospitals they'd been using these children in drug testing experiments big pharma were using testing out early prototypes you know the neural link experiments happening now in that now i figure that one of the reasons they had to get rid of the children's bodies they had been used in these experiments and they openly admitted this that they used children and uh they they privately the church privately who who openly admitted this the church has over the years it's a public yeah they admitted in various articles when we began our tribunal again they react by saying okay yes we did experiment on children but it was only about depriving them of food and vitamins it went a lot further we know that they were it was called um national defense research board uh was sponsoring experiments done on on children drug testing um early mind control experiments well i mean that what you just said sounds kooky and sounds wacky on the on the face of it but i mean i just remembered that there's been stuff declassified and admitted on under the clinton presidency right where the united states was doing plutonium experiments on disabled children in the united states and look up all the mk ultra experiments that the cia had to declassify in 1977 there was a thing called the church yes investigation right and you first began to see these references yes ai says yes canada's government and various churches have historically acknowledged and apologized for a range of highly unethical medical nutritional and psychological experiments conducted on children that's the cover to conceal the fact that it went a lot further a lot deeper what does that say what's the last line says while others were go up while others were funded during the cold war by agencies including the federal defense research board like i mentioned here's an example i talked to a woman who was the sole survivor of a place called the lincoln park air force base that's in calgary now these indian hospitals were all built on military land to keep it secret she said she was part of a group of uh 30 children who were tortured to death in pain threshold experiments these were done by former nazi ss doctors who had done that in the death camps don't forget the in canada yeah canada was the biggest border of nazis after the war than any country in the world what because more than russia oh yeah they were brought in to canada given fake passports and brought into the u.s now you know about the space program vernon braun yeah of course i know about operation paperclip right well a lot of these nazi ss doctors stayed in canada we know joseph bengala worked in woodstock ontario he was an advisor to these indian hospitals what okay now don't forget indians aren't citizens so you can do whatever you want to them under the law and there's no legal repercussion so they're the perfect test subject i'm sorry to keep fact checking you but i gotta i gotta find joseph mengela lived in canada unofficially the canadian um the canadian jewish congress investigated this and admitted that he was present in canada we have other people who went through experiments at a place called the allen institute in montreal who saw mengela he saw guys with the ss tattoo right there on the arm native people in bc admitted the same thing at these indian hospitals we surfaced that information for the first time at our tribunal in the fall of 1998. two months later the canadian government officially seals all records in their national archives in ottawa anything to do with indian hospitals so they shut down all the avenues of info right away that's why you know what you see online is all very heavily sanitized but fortunately we grabbed a lot of this stuff before they sealed it and corroborated by many eyewitness testimonies 358 people testified in my book here murder by decree 358 eyewitness testimonies go into you know the conclusions we came to at nuremberg they only had 32 eyewitnesses so we've got 10 times the number of witnesses right that's freaking crazy man what did you find about mengela anything um uh no serious allegation in the 80s that joseph mengela had tried to enter canada but the canadian government investigation concluded that he never entered canada of course the canadian government investigation that's that's interesting yeah the duchene commission was another white wash right okay yeah yeah wow it says where mengela lived after world war ii uh germany argentina paraguay and brazil he died in brazil huh supposedly but uh oh yeah the stories he drowned i forgot about that there's so much hidden i mean there's a little bit of a mystery there but i'm not going to go into the details of that but i'm not going to go into the details of that but i'm not going to go into the details of that but i'm not going to the vatican ran the third largest death camp in europe during world war ii you never hear about it you hear about auschwitz and treblinka but the third largest was a place called the asanovich death camp in croatia now in uh don't forget the serbs are all orthodox they're not roman catholic they're orthodox catholic they're a different church right and um pope innocent i call him not so innocent uh who the twelfth i think who recognized the death camp in croatia they're not orthodox catholics they're orthodox catholics they're a different church right and um pope innocent i call him not so innocent uh who the twelfth i think who recognized the death camp in croatia who recognized the death camp in croatia hitler during world war ii he commissioned a guy called hitler during world war ii he commissioned a guy called he was a franciscan bishop called ivan he commissioned a guy called he was a franciscan bishop called ivan sarich he was a croatian who was sarich he was a croatian who was sarich he was a croatian who was catholic they catholic they rounded up over three quarters of a million Serbs and murdered them in this Jasanovic death camp. And it was run directly by the Franciscans. And after the war, a lot of these guys are smuggled into the US. And any knowledge of the Jasanovic death camp is down the memory hole, as George Orwell said, right? Because they were so closely tied to Cold War politics. Pope John the. No, he was Pope Paul VI during the 1960s. Cardinal Montini, he's the one who set up the rat lines that brought so many Nazis into South America through Franciscan monasteries all over Italy. And same deal in Canada, but heavily cloaked because it's so close to the US, so close to the scene of the crime of these things that I was discovering over and over from the native people, right? Wow. And so, going back to Pope Benedict, was it, that you had to resign? Yeah. How did that eventually happen? Yeah, I'm sorry. I kind of wandered off, but we set up what was called the International Tribunal of Crimes of Church and State, the ITCCS. That was set up in Dublin when we got over there. We had survivors from six different countries in the world come together to say we need to unite survivors to get reparations, to get acknowledgement, right? And eventually what we did is we went to various international courts and they all turned us down because we wanted to charge the Vatican with being the source of a lot of these crimes against humanity, right? Most of the Indian schools are run by the Catholic Church, Jesuit missionary that set them up. So, you know, a lot of the roads led to Rome when it came to genocide. And they, none of them would touch it. So, we had some legal advisors, including a judge, ex-judge in Spain called Balthazar Garzon. And we set up this international common law court. And we subpoenaed Benedict, Queen Elizabeth, all these people to come and answer these charges. They wouldn't do so, which underlaws an admission of guilt. If you're not answering charges brought against you, you're basically not content. You're protesting it. And we, nevertheless, we did the trial. We brought in eyewitnesses, looked at all the evidence. The 57 jurors, after six months of looking at it, concluded that the Vatican, the Crown of England, all its churches were guilty of these crimes against humanity and brought in a verdict of life imprisonment in absentia to the individuals, not their office, but Joseph Ratzinger, Elizabeth Windsor, as individuals could be tried under international law, which we did. Now, six days before our verdict came in, he resigns. The first pope to resign in 600 years. And one of the reasons they did is we know from Garzon, who is from Spain, that the Spanish government had sent their diplomatic ambassador, a guy called Eduardo de Beruga, and they notified Pope Benedict that he could face a rest if he came to Spain based on what they saw in our docket of evidence, which is that he was ordering, which they still do all the time, ordered Catholic bishops all over Europe to conceal any evidence of the death or experimentation or trafficking of children. And so, on the basis of that, boom, he resigns and he never leaves the Vatican until the day he dies, right? Comes out in a wooden box. That's because he knew he could face arrest because in a citizen investigation, Right. it has legal standing. Because the Vatican is his own country, right? No, that's a myth. It isn't under international law. That's just a fairy tale state, as somebody has called it, that all the governments participate in. But there's a thing under the Montevideo Convention of 1933, they have four definitions of what a state is. They don't qualify for any of them. But doesn't the Vatican, like, I thought it was its own territory and it had its own intelligence service and all this kind of stuff. It does, but only because the Italian government allows it because it's like if Al Capone took over and, you know, you have all these agreements going on, right? But it doesn't make it lawful. It could be legal under statutes governments bring in, but it does make it right or lawful. And anyway, on that basis, Ratzinger got booted out. And really, it was kind of like a shot heard around the world. This was in 2013. People could see after that if you set up your own common law investigation. I mean, it's not a big deal, but it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal, but it's not a big deal. And it's not a big deal. And it's not a big deal, but it's not a big deal, but it's not a big deal. And it's not a big deal, but it's not a big deal. under the common law and you know that that's a real weapon people have to to not just be helpless victims in these the face of all these crimes right yeah yeah that's terrifying and you know the one the really interesting thing to me is how you're saying that there's this connection between the Vatican and China yeah you know and then the fact that China is using its Belt and Road initiative to essentially you know build infrastructure and cut deals economic deals with different countries and different governments around the world including right on our border with on our southern and our northern border which I wasn't even aware of what was going on in Canada um is crazy to me especially in lieu of the recent visit that Xi Jinping just made to um was it DC I believe yeah was he in DC visiting Trump and all these people and there was a huge dinner yeah and um you know it's it's just just so strange because because our country is set up so different it's more of like this this oligarchy where you have this billionaire class uh in this financial class this technological class um and you know even below those two is this like the military industrial class that seem to be the ones that are controlling things and cutting deals right where it seems like the government is even below them where the government answers to these people like Peter Thiel Elon Musk right um those folks which is why they they're at all the dinners and when Trump goes to China he brings them all with them so absolutely because they need China right they need China to manufacture all their stuff and China's the rising power and um America to give you a stat in the 1960s America had about 40 or more of the world's GDP now they're down to 13 percent and it's now China that's it America's like what England was after the war it's going down America was going up right America's going down China's going up right and like any representative of big money Trump is just doing what they do and he's working out deals it borders political parties you know it's just for the masses right to keep us entertained and everything that's where the real power is shifting to the West or across the Pacific right yeah it seems that way right yeah very much you know everyone talks about oh my God America's going to collapse America's going to fall the dollar is going to you know we're the dollar's losing all of its value the current we're no longer going to be the number one um the U.S dollar is not going to be like the reserve currency anymore and that's going to change everything but like how slow of a transition is that really going to be and like what is that really going to look like well that's a good question I'm not qualified for the economics or anything but I mean I know that it's it's really not even a question of economics but but power right and um power is not only what you have but what people think you have and um you know what's really interesting about all this is there's no bigger illusion than the Church of Rome because behind this facade is the biggest financial power in the world um the most genocidal institution in human history if you do the body count and yet um we're the representative of Jesus Christ on Earth I mean it's it's really tragically humorous when you look at it well have you have you heard any of the reports of the White House not only the White House but um organizations in Silicon Valley inviting like influencer pastors around the country to go visit them and sign NDAs so they can tell them stuff not specifically on that but I do know that um here's an example the big all the big pharma companies have for many years had a financial relationship with uh churches uh Eli Lilly company set it uh the first one up in 1936. it's called the fund for theological education they found the seminaries where the clergy are trained in return the church has had long-standing informal agreements to provide children for drug testing experiments yeah check it out well it probably won't be online but we've got that from former Eli Lilly executives in the U.S. and Canada as well but it's called the fund for theological education the Lilly Foundation they also funded a lot of the MK Ultra research John Lilly he worked with dolphins he did a lot of the mind control experiments he's not connected to Eli Lilly though yeah oh yeah what John Lilly yeah is that where the name Eli Lilly comes from John well a distant cousin but they're coming from the same oh wow yeah yeah and um right so there's been this long relationship between this and not only is that this is might blow you away yeah there's a guy Cardinal Timothy Dolan D-O-L-A-N he's the one that Trump wanted in his Pope he's this really powerful New York Cardinal um vine for power in Rome now he just arranged last year again this is from church sources and people in the Vatican as well who we've cultivated over the years um he Tim Dolan channeled over 300 million dollars from the relief agency, this is charitable agencies, into Neuralink because they've got a long relationship with big pharma and all these, what are called the BCI brain computer interface, where they're creating, if you like, borgs, right? Like something out of sci-fi where there are these Neuralink implants and then you're interacting through a computer with reality. Well, the Vatican's heavily funded this from the beginning. And this was one of the research goals of the Indian hospitals and native people who, I mean, I've interviewed probably over 2,000 eyewitnesses on all this stuff. And often many of them talk about being witnessing or being part of these experiments, being, you know, used on like prisoners or convicts or people in prisons, children in orphanages, anyone who's vulnerable or survivors of these experiments. And again, mind control, direct control of the human brain, it's the rising industry, you know? Yeah. I'm just, how are you going to convince the population to get brain chips? I don't think you are. I think, you know, you might get a few people like after it's rolled out medically to like people who need it, who are paralyzed or can't talk or whatever. Well, that's the thin edge of the wedge for sure. And no one is going to line up. But imagine if, and this is quite feasible, they say, okay, we're all get your iPads now. We're going to make it now so you don't need those anymore. If you get a chip, you can interact directly through a computer with each other. Wouldn't you like to do that? I don't think people will. Well, I know a lot. I think people are so fed up with technology and social media right now. Yeah, yeah. I hope you're right. I think people are really waking up to how terrible that stuff is for our minds. I think you're right. There's a black backlash happening against the whole technology. And it's kind of funny having lived through the 60s and 70s. I see it coming full circle, you know, this kind of willingness to challenge authority and wanting to kind of break from the status quo and create something better, you know, and more human. I see that. I see that happening again. So I think you, I hope you're right. Yeah. You know. Well, and you also got a question. You do see that. You see, you know, in America specifically, since Trump has taken office again, you've seen the dam being open, like the dam is completely broken when it's coming to free speech online on YouTube and very much so on X, where people are all bets are off. People can say whatever they want. It doesn't matter how crazy it is. Nothing gets, no one, nothing for the most part gets banned or get censored. And I wonder if there's more to that than meets the eye. Like, is that Elon just trying to be a proponent of free speech or is this something that if they kind of let us off the leash for a little bit to see who we really are, can they use something? Like, I don't know, you know, one of these AIs to do like an analysis of every single person on that platform to see everything they've said so they can put them all in a box. So when AI finally comes back and puts the clamp down. That's accurate. You know, and it's about information gathering, like so much of their technology is just to know what everybody's thinking and what they might do, right? Damage control beforehand. Right. But don't forget the old saying, you can have freedom of speech as long as you don't act on it. As long as you don't do anything, you can have freedom of speech. You can talk all you want. Right. And so the real question is, is the system willing to have people change it and to something better? And the answer, of course, is increasingly no. We live in a in more of a corporatized police state. I have friends in Texas who's tried to set up a common law court two years ago, kind of based on what we have been doing, and they got instantly targeted. They were arrested for illegal possession of firearms, which is a typical thing when they're all registered, all the guns. In Texas? Yes. And when one of them failed to appear in court, 10 year sentence. That's a misdemeanor under the law. Normally you get your wrist slapped. Suddenly he's in jail for 10 years, sentenced. They're appealing it. But private prison industry, they need a stable number of people coming in, an increasing number of people coming into prisons because they make money off everybody, you know, who comes in. Trump's first attorney general, Pam Bondi, was a former lobbyist for private prison industry, right? So really, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, they're scratching each other. I know she got money from Scientology. Pardon me? I know she got money from Scientology, too. Well, it's the same old game. They're scratching each other's back. I often use the image of the triangle of big money, church, and state as the unholy trinity of genocide, right? Because that's how it's certainly played out all over the world, right? Yeah. Well, and then now you have to factor in the technocrats into this whole system. Right. You know, these people who are getting these big government contracts and building all this AI stuff. Right. Because it seems like they're fusing with the financial elites. Yeah. Well, that's what corporatism is. Everything gets fused into one oligarchy, and there's no semblance of democracy anymore. I think that's why China and the Vatican like each other so much, because they all have that ideology of how you should be. The emperor, the pope, anybody, everybody else is subordinate. Right. And that's me about what I was telling you about how all these pastors are getting invited to the White House and to Silicon Valley to meet with these tech companies and to meet with the government. Yeah. Is like the two parties, the technological people that run the AI companies and the government, and then these influencer pastors who have tons of influence on people who are, you know, part of their congregations, most likely a lot older, vulnerable, more vulnerable people, that are going to believe what they say. Right. And they're disseminating some sort of narrative to these people in relation to what? Like, are they trying to convince them that like there's some sort of biblical story behind this AI, that this AI is going to be a god? Because I'm sure a lot of people are going to think that AI is a god. Right. Once it, you know, becomes sentient and we reach the level of super intelligence. Yeah. Um, so what is that? That's, that's terrifying to me. And is that, you know, is that what God is? Well, I think God is often in the eye of the beholder. Right. Yeah. I mean, what's ultimate in, in my tradition, like, um, my mom's family were from Winnipeg and she, our Scottish family intermarried with a lot of Korean Ojibwe. So I have native relatives, right. And they, their name for God, they don't have one, but they, in their language, they call it, uh, the great mystery, the great unknown. Like in quantum physics, they say we can't perceive 80 to 90% of the universe, right? Right. Well, it's the same way with, with love or anything that's horrible or you don't know. Right. And that kind of goes against human pride and egotism, right? So we have to create these idols all the time. And one of the quotes I, I liken from the Psalm, Psalm 115 is whoever worships dead idols will become one. Right. And I'm, I think of that, like, if you put so much of your life and everything into these devices and into this machine, God, you're going to reflect that in your life. Right. And I, anyone who worships dead idols will become one. Yeah. Psalm 115. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I think you're right about that. And it's also, you know, just not knowing the, the, the, the mystery of where we come from and what happens after we die and what created the universe is like, there's something to it. That plugs right into the human mind, you know, and it's like our mind, our, our brains were almost like built for this to, to make something more out of the mysteries and put, to put a story to it. So we can actually understand it because, you know, there's this great Thomas Paine book where he talks about this. I think, I believe it's called the age of reason where he talks like, are you familiar with it? Oh yeah. It's a really good book. And basically what I took from that book, which really stuck with me was that he's like, because man has the gift of reason is that is the reason that we understand that there has to be a God or something like, because we know that we came from someone and that someone came from someone and the first one had to come from somewhere. So that really stood out to me. God given reason, uh, Tom Paine, like Tom Jefferson, there were deists, uh, which said, God is in our reason. God isn't an omnipotent being, but there's a God up in the sky somewhere that we all have a spark of divinity and a manifest as our reason. So I actually had an ancestor, Peter Annet, and he was a free thinking philosopher in England in the 1700s. And he was put in the stocks and at age 70, my age now, he was put in prison for a year for blasphemous libel because he questioned parts of the Bible and parts of the Anglican church doctrine. Right. And all he was saying was that we're given a reason. 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This priest is closer to God than you are, so trust him, right? Therefore, the priest can get away with murder, literally, as we prove time and again with this work. Yeah, 100%. Are you familiar with this push to give pastors and church leaders in the United States access to psychedelic drugs to where they can actually. Give that to their congregation. No, I hadn't heard about that. To make them to sort of like revive and bolster Christianity in the West. Never heard of that, no. Yeah, there's been this, there's been this sort of like weird underground push to do that here. There's been books that have been written about it recently. And there's been this idea, this, this like sort of partnership between people in psychedelic science who are also. Connected with people that are in the church to sort of like meld, just to bring this relationship tighter together to where they can. I don't know why, how that would work. I don't know how giving people of your congregation psychedelic drugs and then letting them go to church would be a good thing at all. Like, I don't know. That seems like it would be a great way to make people more militant and to, you know, give the people. Who are leading those congregations way more power that would not be like, that's how you lead to a suicide cult in my opinion. Well, to, to, yeah, I mean, when is this story published nine months ago inside the U S psychedelic church boom, where taking drugs is legal. This might be about something different. Church of Gaia in Spokane. Yeah. You know, what it reminds me of is in the fifties, of course, the LSD was developed by the CIA as part of NKLTRI. Right. The mind control. And Timothy Leary in that CIA funded researcher became the guru of the sixties generation where you had to kind of, you know, drop out by kind of getting it, it was a brilliant device in terms of, you kind of getting people so wrapped up in an alternative reality that they couldn't see what was going on around them. Right. Um, which helps anyone in power when you do that, but the churches then back then. Yeah. Were saying the same stuff that to be truly liberated, they talked, there was a book written about the magic mushroom. They believe that Jesus had taken mushrooms and that's what gave him his visions. And there was a whole kind of. There's so many stories about that. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I mean, the point is that I, I think this church state big money again, finding ways to control the populace and religion, you see, religion is a very effective way, just like, cause it's fear-based usually. Yes. And. Yeah. The hypo campus area of the brain, the midbrain area has been the target of a lot of mind control research. Um, and it's also interestingly enough, the same, I've always find this fascinating, the same part of the brain responsible for the so-called religious or ecstatic impulse is also where you get fear, rage, and lust, sexual lust. It's all from the same part of the brain. And it's an early part of the brain early on our, in our revolution. Those things are all related. And when you think of. In other words, why would people, um, get it on sexually and be capable of killing in rage and believing in God? Why is that all coming from the same impulse? It's a good question to ask. And, you know, I don't know, it's, it's, I think it's all goes back to fear in some way, you know, uh, fear of death, we want to procreate fear of death, right? Most primal instincts. Right. And fear, you believe in God, you're going to have an afterlife, right? And fear makes you hit back at somebody, right? It's all that primal. Oh, yeah. Midbrain or not been brain reptilian part of our brain, right? Yeah. Acting out. And that's why religion can be so dangerous because it it's mass mind control and always has been, right? Yeah. That's a great point. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. You know, I just, you gotta, you gotta think that when the government and these big tech companies are really trying to, uh, you know, use the vehicle of religion to push what they're doing, you should, all your red flags should go up. Yeah. Because, you know, religion allows you to defer moral responsibility to someone or something else. Um, and when you don't take responsibility, you're able to be led around, you know, on a leash and that's the thing about, uh, you're more likely to kill somebody or commit a crime if you believe in God than if you're an atheist statistically, you know, because if you don't believe in any of that, you take responsibility. You're responsible for your actions. There's nobody else to blame or to defer to. Right. And, um, so, I mean, I think all of that is part of it, right? Yeah. Yeah. What you were saying about the, um, the, the, the Neuralink stuff. Yeah. What is your view on, you, you, you think that, um, Neuralink has been studied since like the nineties or something? Well, the prototype experiments go way back. They go back to the time of World War II. And, uh, after that pioneered by guys like Jose Delgado, who perfected these things. Right. ECT and lobotomies. Mm-hmm. Mind control went from physical to chemical to electronic, um, in, in terms of the experimentation and what they were doing on people. And like I say, they used captured populations, prisoners, children, uh, church people, aboriginal people who weren't citizens. Mm. Um, and so there's a good book about that, uh, Edwin Black, War Against the Weak: America's Plan to Create a Master Race, where the whole eugenics movement of wiping out so-called inferior groups didn't start with Hitler. They borrowed it from the American psychiatric community in the 1880s. And in fact, the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute that was implementing a lot of the genocide techniques were simply working with people over in America. Uh, they passed, 38 states passed sterilization laws, where if you had a low IQ, you could be legally sterilized. They had it all over Canada as well. So as part of that, the whole research aim of all this was how do we control the human mind so that we basically, you can create a nation of worker ants and worker soldiers. Mm-hmm. They command without, you know, without question, automatically. That was what MKUltra was all about. It was a military-funded, um, goal to it, to find a way to achieve that. Now, they found it wasn't effective chemically, 'cause people react different. The human mind and human being are very uncontrollable. But electronically, you get almost 100% success rate in terms of that, because the human mind is electronic waves, right? Mm-hmm. And they can be duplicated, um, you know. So you can recreate by beaming certain things in people. You can alter memory, identity, personality. And I've had experience of that happening to people I work with who are turned almost overnight into alternative personalities, who don't remember certain things, who suddenly have 180-degree view of you and start spouting smears down against us when they used to be our loyal supporters. You know, I've seen that up close. And that's the thing about my story. When I tell people, I haven't invented any of this. I've experienced it all. And it's all based on hard evidence. So I think that's why it's a mental jump for people to listen to a lot of this, because it seems like sci-fi. It seems like, "Oh, yeah, I've seen this in movies," or whatever. But it's all real. It's happening as we speak, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I always wonder, like, how much of what we see on our phones and through these social media apps is somehow affecting our psychology and the way we think and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. Like, how much of it is just programmed? You know, where they're just, like, pushing stuff out or deciding when to push stuff out, like, big stories? And to what ends? Like, is it really to mind control us all and subdue us, or is it just, you know, to distract us from something that's going on over here on the other side of the world? That, too, very much. And don't forget, like I often say to people who get too kind of paranoid about the mind control stuff, you don't need to mind control 90% of the population, because people in large populations automatically conform. You know, they're going to not do anything that's going to-- especially when times get hard. People are just working. They want to keep the roof over their head, pay their mortgage. They don't want to upset the apple cart. And so it's a minority of people who are willing to act and go against the stream and lose and risk, right? Mm-hmm. And so you can easily isolate that minority from everybody else. That's what the whole public relations industry was all about. Right. Eddie Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud-- Right. --created the whole, you know, industry of how do you get-- and there's an infamous quote by him where he says, "The only way democracy can function in the modern world is to be able to anticipate and control the hopes, the memories, the dreams, the thoughts of the population." So he says, "You can't have democracy without mass mind control." And it's a very bizarre notion. Kind of goes against our whole, you know, understanding what self-governance in America is supposed to be all about, right? Mm-hmm. You know? yeah that edward edwin edwin edward bernays yeah some of the stuff that he was doing was wild yeah and you know i remember specifically there was one um he was working with um one of those companies that made like the the little cakes like homemade cakes or whatever um where it was like just like you mix it with water and then you put it in the oven or something and it makes these like yeah yeah one of these like instant muffins or instant cakes or something like that and they were trying to sell it and it was no one was buying it so they did a like a psychological study and like a group study where they brought in um a bunch of housewives and they like asked them a bunch of questions and figured it out and what they what they were figuring out was that the housewives they didn't feel fulfilled in making these baking these cakes for their husbands and their kids like they didn't feel like they had contributed enough so they said aha we'll just say we'll add crack an egg into the construct into the instructions so now you don't just mix it with water you have to crack an egg into it and it really did nothing but make them feel like they were actually doing more right and then they started flying off the shelves well that makes sense and it's similarly the tobacco industry funded early uh the early suffragette movement women's right to vote they sponsored with eddie bernay's assistance he kind of planned the campaign there was a big percentage of the women's right to vote that were part of the campaign that was part of eddie bernay's assistance he kind of planned the campaign there was a big procession of women down uh broadway in new york city and they're all holding cigarettes and this is a sign of women's independence they can smoke now well big tobacco was funding it so you know it's about money and it's also just i don't know if it's like the technocratic class you're talking about they're always thinking of ways of adjusting and changing and see maybe this will work maybe that you know it's part of the whole mentality right right yeah and um it's not comforting to know that all these people in this techno credit class are also buying houses and land in foreign countries like new zealand and argentina and hawaii or not hawaii's not a foreign country but all these guys are they're getting dual citizenship in other countries like what do they know that we don't know you know if they can predict the stock market that great that as well as they do like what it tells you something yeah well i think there is a big crash coming in north america and one of the i think the reason the crash is going to be more severe here because we're not used to too much suffering you know north americans are the pampered children of history they haven't had a lot of wars they you know and suffering so when it does hit it's like when you talk to a ceo or a white collar worker when they lose their job they're not expecting it they thought this was for my life i'm a professional and it's a lot harder than if you're a tool and die maker on the assembly line you come to expect these things right so i think that's why psychologically as things are crashing more in in america and that you're going to see mass panic and and all sorts of stuff and i think you're already seeing it you know but it's um like my one of my native elders in winnipeg said to me the other day why do americans hate each other so much you know they're always at each other you know like i say well it's just things are more uh what do you want to say more uh maybe alive down there you know when you like the way you're raised in canada british culture is uh-huh you don't cause upset and that's why i was so easily blacklisted because he's taken on the church and government that's treasonable right whereas down in america i tell my story and they'll go oh great you took on the government cool tell us more right right right there's that american kind of distrust of authority but can easily be turned on each other as well right right you know i mean there's a there's a sign a guy put up on his house on the waterfront of daytona beach and it says democrats are the enemy within and i'm thinking where's that coming from right you know like that's i don't know that's more people than you think fall into that trap that right and left trap bipolarity you know when yeah i know it's all facade none of it's even real yeah yeah i think one of the things that really kind of broke the dam as far as um people being more aware of that this sort of uniparty system was the the whole epstein file drop because that sort of like pulled back the veil of power and who really runs things you know the fact that people like that are flying around with impunity and brokering deals with foreign heads of state on profiting off civil wars in different countries and things like that you know with different intelligence agencies it's like whoa whoa what the like the fact that they let obviously they didn't let nearly all of it out there's tons more that never we'll see at the end of the day I'm sure yeah um but the stuff they did let out yeah was just like and with no explanation at all from the FBI it was almost to me it feels like we're just gonna flood the zone we're gonna drive people crazy give them a little bit of truth in here mixed with maybe a little bit of too and no one will be able to come to terms on any of it well don't forget none of that is new you know I like that quote from Harry Truman he said the only thing uh new under the sun you didn't know about and I think that's because things repeat themselves but I find this in doing this work and I've done this particular work for over 30 years if you and that's why I encourage people not to drop away in despair because if you live long enough you'll see how it operates because I saw this whole issue of the genocide Canada raised up become a big issue and then buried down the memory hole again so now people are saying oh I heard the other day about Indian hospitals and I said well this was talked about 100 years ago in the Canadian newspapers and 30 years ago on our first press releases which were all over the place so how is it that the memory is so easily wiped out like that right so I mean that's part of the problem right yeah do you do you have um do you have any issues like where where you live in Canada right now with with this kind of stuff with like backlash from people like or you are you able just to get around in your everyday life oh no not at all I've had to move around a lot I uh being on a blacklist um your name precedes you so um give you a concrete example about a year and a half ago I was invited in Vancouver to a conference of high school teachers and I had written to them saying what you're teaching in your classes does not reflect what actually went on in these places something as basic as the 50 death rate you don't even mention so I came to there they invited me to come to speak to them I was at a high school there speaking in their auditorium for about 20 minutes and the principal walks in and he walks over to me and says I need to speak to you I go off into the hall take a pause and he says you're not allowed to speak anymore the Vancouver school board has an issue with you being here and I'm saying the Vancouver school board I've never met with them all I'm doing is quoting documents from the UBC library next door and about my work the teachers wanted me here and he said you got to leave now something that's in 2024 it happened that's like almost 30 years after I first began to do this work why is it persistent for so long right unless there's much more than we even realize that this stuff is touching on and so um that's reflected everywhere I can't around rooms um you know it's it's the way it happens in Canada there's this gentleman's understanding that certain issues and people you don't touch and like I say I always get a better response in America because you know officially you're supposed to be the land of the free and we're sent against authorities is not considered a crime right well it seems like the um the people who are in charge here they really envy the way things are in China and the total control they have but they have this inconvenient thing uh this inconvenient document that the founding fathers created that's getting in the way and we have to all believe or be under the illusion that we live in this democracy um so they have to just like fake it but it seems like they're just getting worse and worse at faking it and it's like you know one of the things that I had a guest on here recently who was saying the thing he appreciates about this Trump administration is that like they don't even try to hide you know they're just straight up out in the open about all the you know crazy that's happening yeah and I mean I don't think they have the need anymore to hide behind the the illusion of formal democracy because I mean there's like I remember a cartoon from the late 1880s and it was called the real rulers of the United States Senate and it showed all the senators sitting there meekly in their desk and behind them in the back row was the copper trust the steel trust the railway trust you know all the big money right sitting there and that was around the same time the Supreme Court said a corporation is a human being under the law they're a person under the law right and they they switched it so that now um human beings are literally just part of this big corporate thing so it's been like that but um it's it's a sign of the way the world has shifted with this enormous concentration of wealth where they're they don't need that illusion anymore they're just saying okay we're gonna run things now um I mean Hitler pioneered it permanent arms economy of Society geared to permanent war America's one billion dollar a day arms industry right um and the the fact that you get all the interest concentrated in one oligarchic state and extremely racist extremely uh targeting one particular group as your to Venture hatred on to allow you to be more effectively controlled and I'm it isn't just racism any group that you want to target it works right but they don't want to target the group because of their race that's just kind of like what we believe like i don't think that they hold they don't give a shit either way well traditionally in america let's say the whole thing the whole thing about blacks and it's for a while that's served a purpose but it doesn't anymore i mean it's i saw this uh priceless picture of this cardinal dolan i mentioned right big money guy for neural link and um hillary clinton and trump all sitting together at the table laughing together and i'm thinking oh yeah there's political parties are there in america really no it's like like george carlin said it's one club and you're not in it guys yeah a hundred percent right um what you were you were talking about um on this other program i was listening to you were talking about this guy named persinger who is connected to this whole neural link right so Who was the person jerk guy he was a neuroscientist at laurentian university that's in um sudbury ontario which is kind of like north of new york up there uh that university was set up by the churches had a lot of research money a lot of mk ultra money went into it and he created something called the god helmet oh yeah i've heard of that which could separate by separating the two hemispheres of the brain their impulses you create an impression in somebody that's not that there's another person right next to you a kind of sense of another deity and uh there he is right and he was getting ci money to create that and he also found that by separating the hemispheres you're able to more directly controls people's sense of reality right and so you can get somebody believing they're anything and they're in any place they're detached totally from reality which you know another very effective mind control device right and and a symptom of people who've been through a lot of these experiments like native people i talk to all the time and that that's exactly what was being done you know i mentioned the mid midbrain area right targeted because uh the hype uh hippocampus hippocampus controls how do you convert short to long-term memory also your sense of creativity that's why you know when people are lobotomized they tend to lose that right so if you want to have cut off people from reality you gotta have them not being able to remember five minutes ago right and converting into long-term memory and that's what i find working with people there's a lack of continuity now like i remember growing up you know people would stay at a campaign and work year after year and they would learn from their their experiences and everything now you don't find that there's just disjointedness all the time people well like i call it the dabble and babble syndrome where you're kind of dabble in this and go over there and you talk about this but you're not actually building anything you're not building an alternative you want to control a population you got to turn them into people like that right yeah i i certainly have noticed a connection between um that stuff and this whole like ufo phenomenon right where specifically we had a guy named whitley streber on the podcast oh he was on it yeah yeah a while ago and he was um you know he wrote the most prolific first book on this topic right um i think in the 80s yeah i remember communion came out yeah and um you know he's talked on programs in the past about how his i think his father worked at a military base in texas when he was really young right and they pulled him out of school and put him in this place in texas with a bunch of other kids in this military base where they did weird stuff with them you know like put him in a box or something or like made him in a bunch for the kids watch like disturbing videos and um he doesn't talk about it anymore but back in the day when he would talk about it like it sounded a lot like you know some of those programs where they try to make you disassociative to where they can like sort of partition your mind and multiple personality disorder that's why talking to survivors they say common story as children they're gathered up by the mounties they're brought in at age five into these places head shaved and all of them first day they get there mandatory and when you're harmed that way pre-verbal off and out because they were often bringing in newborns and young infants into these places right if that happens pre-verbally trauma you traumatize you automatically split into multiple personalities to be able to survive so often interviewing people that have to revert to another personality i talked to women the other day like that she had to go back into her personality that she uses to survive she became a little child again and she spoke from that place right so if you want to create a lot of agents a lot of sleeper spies and messengers in that you got to create mpd survivors right so it is designed again it isn't just random for any purpose it's done experimentally to create a permanently dissociated population right right so i mean it makes sense when you look at it that way right right totally and if that's the stuff that they if they let that stuff out in those documents that were declassified in the 70s the what was it church church committee frank church was yeah i mean imagine that what was what was destroyed and that would never never saw the light of day well that's what came out that um they destroyed probably 90 percent of what they had on mk ultra but some stuff survived like financial records which they didn't think were that important actually had references to things so researchers have been able to piece stuff together on the things that did survive right yeah totally and there was that famous story that guy i think his name was frank olsen who worked part of that and he was the guy who was allegedly jumped out of a window in new york and um you know he was working with sydney gottlieb on all of the stuff and then like he was like questioning it didn't want to do it anymore and allegedly they killed him and the u.s secretary of the navy james forestall early on did the same thing he jumped out a window after he had been looking into what this office and naval and the oni was tied into paper clips and and all this research in montauk long island right and the next thing you know he's jumped out a window so i mean it's part of the game right i mean yeah just like you know now i think they have a way easier way of ruining your life than throwing you out of a window you don't need with the total surveillance that they have on everyone and the way they can basically you know that's what they want right if i wanted total control over a population so i could do whatever i want move in silence and have all my crimes you know be absolved i would want to be able to have the ultimate blackmail and control and power over everyone's movement how they spend their money everything like that so ai is achieving that too right and ai is becoming self-regulating i'm talking to some people in boston who worked at an ai facility just a few months ago they said it's not monitored anymore ai is creating its own tech technology right so we don't even know what it's doing well they had the ai is training the other ais so there's like hundreds of thousands of these bots that are like the people that are at these companies have no idea what's going on and it's like the terminator movies when one day the supercomputer decides human beings are irrelevant right we've got to get rid of them so let's nuke them all right right so and are they going to need to nuke them like maybe they have other ways of doing it right like like if you put ai in charge of creating chimera viruses or you know crazy biological weapons that we've never seen or heard of that are indetectable and we don't know you have it until it's way too late and everyone's infected like um like imagine what ai could come up with that right and just get people to destroy each other using the technology right um easy enough to do once people are all well a quote from persinger in 2003 he said we now have the capacity to directly control all six billion brains on the planet provided they're all of the same medium what does that mean medium as electronic if everybody's plugged into the same electronic matrix you can control memory feeling thoughts everything and hypothetically that's what he wanted to do that's what he said you could control everyone if you thought it was the aim that was what it was all about to ensure social order and peace right that's the whole rationale what really freaks me out is ai combined with you know the weaponry that we have like if ai can infiltrate a missile silo or a bio a secret bio weapons lab or something like that um hasn't it hasn't it already that's what really freaks me out well like this whole story about this play that allegedly has been released in russia like does ai have anything to do with that i wonder like i mean i don't even know what russia is doing with ai russia's a black box we don't really know what's coming out of russia but like i i find it just hard to believe that if you have a secret bioweapons lab that somebody could accidentally drop a beaker and then it gets released like that like no i would imagine they would have way more security and damage control in place in case something like that happened provided you're in charge of your machine and the point is we aren't anymore you know we're not in charge of it and it's like a machine out of control i think to some degree right and the way that these stories the way that specifically this russian plague story has been spiraling out again like i remember so i don't know if you've seen it but i saw it on twitter on friday right i'm like okay there's one source not many people talking about it whatever now yesterday, Monday, it was like all over the place. And now like today, it's like you can't turn the TV off without seeing it absolutely everywhere. And, you know, with everything that's been happening in this country, specifically in this country over the last year and a half from, you know, like the public assassinations, the thing with Trump, the wars and everything, the Epstein files, people are conditioned to not trust anything they hear or see. So it's like, you're going to have a huge, save just, just for the sake of argument, say that this thing is real. There's going to be a giant amount of people who don't believe it's real and think it's absolutely fake. And that's also part of not just mental dissociation, but emotional. And is that part of the design? Like, is that part of the plan though? I wonder. I would think that that, you know, when you're, you got people in prison and you want to interrogate them, they call it bad cop. Soft cop, right? But what it does is emotionally dissociates the person. So their will is broken down because they don't believe anything around them anymore is real. They're so traumatized. And that's a symptom of this whole breakdown we're talking about, right? So it, you know, like individuals, societies eventually, when they're going through enough pressure, they experience a psychotic break, which means they become completely psychotic and dissociated. And then they don't even know what's true or false anymore. And you talk to a lot of people and that's what they say, I don't know what to believe anymore, right? All the things that we once believed in that were inviolable, gone. Is it like that in Canada? Even more so. Even more so in Canada? Yeah, because you see, Canada is a very totalitarian system from day one. And as long as you're nice and play along, you never see it. But I experience personally what happens if you're a dissident in that system, right? And you don't give up and you keep challenging it. People all turn away. Even your support system. Even your supporters, even people, they just automatically turn away. It's so wired in, you know, to be controversial. That's like the C word in Canada, right? And so in those, because as a Canadian, you're at a young age, you said you were a subject of the crown. Whereas what do you say in America? You're a citizen of the Republic, which means the government serves us, right, in theory. Whereas you supplicate yourself from day one to the crown, that's how you're raised in Canada. So, I mean, it's like a severe Catholic, the way you talk to them about the Pope. I mean, it's like, you don't exist anymore. You give up governance to another and your own identity even, right? Do you think it's going to continue on the trajectory that it's on? Or do you have, like, is there any, is there any, you know, obviously you said there's no, like, dissent there, but is there any hope for it to become more normalized, less totalitarian? You know, the old saying, the grass is always greener. You know, when you're in your own situation, you see all the problems up close. And so naturally it seems kind of pessimistic, right? But in Canada, the problem is there, there's very little range in thought. So even among dissidents, you're operating in a really narrow range. Like when I start talking about churches committing genocide, it doesn't matter if you're left, right, center, they all go, "Shh, don't want to hear it," right? There's certain, the golden calves there are inviolable. You can't, so, you know, I often use the example of, ever since I was a young guy, protests in Canada, they always stop, doesn't matter how big the demonstration is, they always stop at red lights, right? They don't just keep going. They stop, right? And there was that movie, Canadian Bacon, I don't know if you ever saw it, but it had a bunch of Canadians I'm sorry, there was an American running through a crowd of Canadians and the American kept running into people and every Canadian would say, "Sorry, sorry," as if they'd done it. And I'm sorry as a really, that's, that's the national psyche in Canada that we're apologetic for ourselves and we don't want to create a problem and we just go along to get along because not being nice, and it's funny, you know, people call Canadians nice all the time. Nice comes from a medieval word, which meant stupid. Nice as in simple. Yeah. Simple, simplistic and simple-minded, right? And I think that's the attitude cultivated, you know, in Canada very much. And I've never liked it. My dad was American and there's this, I had both influences at a young age, so I could see the contrast really well, right? Yeah. And what you were talking about with the partnership between Canada and China is very frightening. And it's very strange that you don't hear about that at all in the United States. Like I've never heard anyone. No. Explain this or articulate the way you have. You don't see it in Canadian media either. It's brushed over all the time. But who controls the media? Like it was interesting. I used to have a good relationship with the oldest public radio station in America. It's KPFA in Berkeley, California. And they were started after World War II. They had this long tradition of dissent and they were great. When I did the protest in Rome, they were there to cover it. They, you know, they're, they're really alternative. Now I was on the program of one of the guys who are Dennis Bernstein. And I mentioned China buying up the West coast. He turns off the mic and takes a break and says, sorry, Kevin, we got to stop the interview. And I said like, why? And I couldn't figure out at first what I had said. And then I realized later, I just mentioned China and I've never been invited back. He never responds to my emails anymore. How long ago was this? This would have been, oh, easily. It was after COVID started. I'd say 2021. Berkeley. Berkeley. Traditional dissent. And yet, boom, you mentioned Chinese control of the West coast and off. Yeah. You're in California and you're talking about Chinese control of another country and he turned it off. Yeah. That's even more bizarre. It is. And who owns KPFA, right? Who doesn't? I have no idea. I don't know either, but I know in Canada, the Trudeau- Find out, see who owns KPFA. Yeah, KPFA radio. In Canada, the Trudeau government brought in laws allowing all public radio, to be bought up by corporate concerns. So it may say community radio or campus radio, but it usually isn't. There's some corporate concern behind it. The Pacifica Foundation, nonprofit media organization. Can you pull them up so we can see them? The Pacifica Foundation. Okay. We'll find out who is on the board of the Pacifica Foundation. Programs such as Democracy Now!, Owner, who's on the board of the Pacifica Foundation. Founded by Lewis John- Lewis Hill and E. John Lewis. That was 80 years ago. Wow. Oh, wow. Pacifica was founded- Yeah, one of them was a conscientious objector, yeah, after the war. Democracy Now!, by the way, I've consistently brought myself to them. They just flatly ignore it all the time. Go back, Steve. Say something about George Carlin. In 1971, Pacifica station's WBAI broadcast comedian George Carlin's filthy words routine uncensored. Following a listener complaint, issued a letter of reprimand from the FCC censoring it for allegedly violating broadcast regulations that prohibited airing indecent material. The foundation took the matter to the US Supreme Court in FCC versus Pacifica Foundation and lost in a five to four decision. That's odd. This became a landmark moment in history of free speech, and the case continues to define the power of the government over broadcast material it calls indecent. Interesting. Wow. Yeah, so you get these funny things happening, and you go, "Okay, what's really going on here?" Yeah. It's interesting just the state of media today in the US. I don't know if it's anything like this in Canada, but it's become so decentralized where you now have so many independent media outlets where basically anyone with a microphone and access to the internet can have a huge YouTube channel and talk about basically whatever they want. Yeah. And that's why the Reformation happened, because suddenly there's Bibles all over the place, and you get burned alive if you own one, but it didn't stop it from spreading, right? So- Right. You know? Yeah. I always wonder where it goes. It's very strange to watch it happen in real time. You know? Yep. What else you got there? Oh, I got so much. You got a ton of stuff. I got so much. I mean, you know, what's amazing about this is the evidence is all in place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The evidence is all in plain sight, and especially in Canada, they just don't want to see it. Like here's, I showed you the image of the kids sitting with open tuberculosis, proving that they were spreading TB. Here's one describing how people had TB, well, as they entered the school. Mm-hmm. What is the current state of these indigenous groups in Canada now? How many of them are left? Well, officially, you see, Aboriginal people are very controlled in Canada. You're either on reserve or off. Mm-hmm. If you're on a reservation, it's controlled directly by the government. For example, you live on a reserve, you can't even renovate your house without government permission. It's tightly controlled. You can't, your family can't have too much money, because then the bank council just takes it. And these bank council chiefs are directly controlled by the government. So if you have any freedom, you've got to live off reserve. Those are a lot of the people I work with. But if you're off reserve, you don't get any benefits, and you're prey to, you know, I mean, I, so many times in Vancouver, Native Americans were people would be killed by cops there was even a case a cop emptied 13 bullets into a homeless man and was never even reprimanded so he had to reload he was just using his target practice right because not a citizen under the law you know they have no legal recourse and you know the way the population gets numbed about it here's an article from 1996 so 30 years ago describing it says school's electric chair haunts natives they describe and this is an eyewitness who was stuck in one in a catholic indian school in ontario they had an electric chair set up and they would put children in it and electrocute them have them jump and what it said to entertain visiting dignitaries so these these church and government guys stand around laughing as a native kids being electrocuted and died often in it that article oh my god that's on the front page of the global mail which is the largest newspaper in canada what year was that october 21st 1996 literally 30 years ago this month there wasn't one protest there wasn't one objection in parliament the media didn't do a follow-up story nobody was concerned 30 years later the same thing happens with the kids being tossed into ovens church remitted again no protest nothing like where are people where is the outrage you get thousands in the streets over palestine i think people just want to yeah you're right about the palestine thing it's it's it's because it's right in front of our faces in 4k you know that that the palestinian genocide um but i feel like with the church i i think people just want to ignore it and pretend it's not real yeah i'm sure there's a way more sophisticated cover-up happening for sure they have lots of money yeah you never want to admit what's in your own backyard right it's too uncomfortable so often protests require that the issue be thousands of miles away because then i can safely walk around and then feel like i've done something but i mean um the thing about but like my thing though is you know for the religious folks who want to ignore some of the insane crimes that have been done by the church and the cover-ups um like it's not like that doesn't affect your personal faith or like how good of a christian you are this is just something that happens in big corrupt organizations when people are getting a lot of money and power like it's it that shouldn't poison the well of your own personal relationship with god no it doesn't or whatever that is not in theory but if you're part of that corporation that's doing the crime and you're giving them money every sunday and you're looking the other way that's complicity in a crime under the law but here's the thing uh when i'm here's the proof yeah but is it like if you tithe are you really responsible for you know under the law if you're funding an organization that is being convicted of laundering money moving it across borders for legal purposes trafficking human beings it's called a tnco transnational criminal organization and under international law and american law you can lawfully seize the funds and if you fund that organization you're complicit in a crime yeah but i don't understand so so you think a young person who is told by the leader of her congregation her pastor that if you tie the thousand dollars today uh you are going to be right with god god is going to help you it's going to fix your life and you say okay i'm going to give this money to god and there it's not to you it's to god you're telling me that that young person who was told this is now complicit well objectively they are they're funding a um how but if they how if they if they are not aware of any of that stuff and they're being lied to under the law ignorance of a crime is no defense that's kind of basic they told me that in first year law it doesn't matter oh i didn't know the murder weapon was being hit in my attic it doesn't matter you're you're co-conspirator in a crime even if you're not aware of it okay so um that argument for example in a case oh i didn't know she was a minor oh i didn't know she was oh well that's totally different no but it's still a crime and and genocide are in the same category as a crime against humanity now okay whereas i just want to give you an example of how it happens this is a letter from the attorney general of british columbia during my defrocking people were writing to him saying this is not following due process he's not being allowed to see the charges against him faces accusers trumped up charges against him how can this happen under canadian law quote this is from ujjal dasanjh attorney general i recognize your strong concerns but the internal disciplinary processes used by churches are outside the jurisdiction of this ministry that is outside the law outside the law of canada so the reality is historically instilled today churches are outside the law they're a law unto themselves and we know that from the catholic church they got a policy called criminal satanus every catholic who knows child silenced not to tell the police and i should have mentioned this earlier because you don't tell the police you're you're aiding and abetting and a crime it's a criminal conspiracy all over the world every catholic has to protect child this not tell the police right and when we were doing protests at the churches the cops would come up to me and say you can't do this i say do you know about crimen this policy you're obligated to protect the catholic church on their child that means you're colluding in this crime every time i mentioned that to them they stood back and didn't object to what we're protesting because they're a law unto themselves that's why they're able to get away with generations of murdering children or getting rid of me and operating under law where they can do it and in violation of the law and my rights so i mean that's really important to understand what you're dealing with when you talk about well especially the church of rome but really any state authorized church that has 501c3 status or right that's how they control churches they're tax exempt right right so they don't want to lose that so they go along with the government on everything right pretty much right but my point about the tithing is thing is that they're preying on vulnerable people right to fund their operation and straight up lying to them not well not telling them the truth about where that money is going i'm not saying i'm not saying that like those people you know are going out of their way to investigate it or like not being curious enough to ask them you know maybe they don't want to ask maybe they they really do believe like the mind is a powerful thing like it's a it's a powerful placebo like that can happen where people tithe money and then you're you're so convinced that this money is god is going to transform your life and your life is you're going to be better for doing this and that can actually happen and they can people can actually believe this i'm sure they believe it but these people are are 100 percent victims of these of these criminal sociopathic manipulative people running these churches making tons of money that's why they should leave they shouldn't give money that's a thing that's another thing too is like even if you i could sit down any of these people right in front of me and i could tell them all this stuff and they don't want to believe it no i know and i say to them i remember the one time i went into the vatican when i was doing my exorcism there which is a whole story you did an exorcism yeah and then a tornado hit the next morning it was great and then they press began to cover the same week they began to report rat singer's role it was very i'll tell you about that in a minute but um when i when i the one time i was in the vatican um they had a big sign up papal blessings 150 euros so but apparently god prefers credit cards to cash the money how does money go to god it isn't it's going to people who say they represent god right and right you know so there's a big difference but people don't see the difference and that's a classic symptom of being dissociated and traumatized yes right and what do you think that religion does you're going to go to hell unless you do this and pay us this and you can buy your relative soul out of purgatory this imaginary price if you give us enough money that's what caused martin luther to launch the reformation what was that thing what was that called again when you could buy your soul out of purgatory indulgence indulgence okay and they used it in the crusades they said if you kill in the interest of the church kill saracens kill jews kill whoever all of your your original state of living in sin is nullified and you have a one-way ticket to heaven well that's what fundamentalist muslims say too right that's exactly what jihad it's the same way catholicism and islam are very similar in their ideology right that same idea that killing the name of god and you're blessed and it's the same thing narrative you see coming out coming out of this whole israeli thing this israeli genocide too yeah yeah with the them trying to co-opt um these evangelicals yeah yeah you know it's it's sinister um tell me about this exorcism okay um i had done one before in portal bernie and that was a very bizarre experience because very genuine um and when people about that in europe heard about it when we were doing that tribunal in europe that eventually convicted rats or that they said come to rome and do a ceremony and i thought that's kind of pretentious in public and that's really not how exorcisms happen so i didn't want to do that i i came to saint paul's peter square with all my stuff and i was going to do a memorial service for the children who died okay this was october 11 2009 are you are you a religious man not capital r not capital c but i'm like i have a spiritual discipline i do but so at this point did you believe that this exorcism was was going to work i didn't plan to do the exorcism okay i came to do a ceremony memorial service i'm getting ahead of myself okay now they have a policy in rome that you're not allowed to do anything in saint peter square ceremony religious there were 13 native grandmothers who came and were arrested for conducting a pagan ceremony in the middle of saint peter square the rome police and the vatican you know police come in and take people out so i went there and uh i stood there and i began to do this memorial service and then i thought yeah they're right i'm right in the heart of the beast here i really should call out this the spirit the first stage exorcism you call out the entity to reveal itself to name itself and thereby it loses its power because it's exposed to the light of day right okay so i did that as i'm doing it these cops are walking by and they're not even seeing me they're like looking at me but as if i'm not there and my three friends who were with me were saying kevin was strange they were like literally acting like you weren't there it was strange and i did the whole ceremony i was in my robe and regalia and i did it the next morning at 8 30 in the morning why did you do this i was just compelled to do it impulsively just out of nowhere i thought it's got to be named this this entity and i think it is a spiritual battle very much that all these things concern and i felt what made you think you had an entity in you no in it i wasn't talking about entity and me oh you were exercising somebody else yeah yeah it was an exorcism not about me oh i'm calling out the entity of rome it was an exorcism to expose this this entity oh i see okay sorry i should have clarified that so the next morning a tornado hits rome for the first time in 48 years and we got in picture this everything is scattered you know all over central rome the same week the european press begin reporting rat singer's role pope benedict's role in concealing these things and um i don't think it's coincidental because you see it wasn't really about me i'm just kind of a channel through which things act on just like all this work but when you name the truth like that you're protected you're concealed and it's funny one of my native relatives said well you know kev you're invisible because um you know that's what happens you're protected when you're doing the right thing and that's i don't know how you want to interpret it i've bothered i haven't bothered trying to interpret what happened but these things all happen one two three and i'm just kind of i'm just trying to interpret it i'm just trying to interpret what happened one two three and i'm just after it right and um i think i know it's real because in my own life i've encountered this this kind of demonic reality and people have worked with that first exorcism i did in in the native community and that it wasn't me doing it i was part of a larger group involved in uh clearing this young boy who had been definitely possessed and so that's that's why i knew it it was it was a real thing it wasn't just something out of the movies right what what tell me what happened with this boy that was possessed he was young he his mother had been kind of typical native life had been on drugs he was fetal alcohol syndrome and very prey to um influences and when i was i was called in by some of the native elders who i was i was letting as i mentioned speak from my pulpit on sunday and being working with them and uh they invited me in and i walk into the room and there's this young boy on a bed and he's going through physical deformations as i'm watching him like face expanding eyes turning different colors not imagined i don't do drugs i've never smoked too drunk or anything so i was very cogent at the moment and there was a feeling in the room that i can't describe just you just want to get out of there there's this like this hideous feeling and there was a primary they don't call them exorcisms in their culture it's he was a shaman and they were trying to cleanse the boy they were using all sorts of traditional methods and i was in the group that was kind of protecting him as he was encountering this darkness okay and it went on for oh well over three days and eventually he left this thing not he but it you could feel it and see it like leave and there's this beautiful feeling kind of compared to when my daughters were born and i helped deliver both of them this feeling beautiful feeling kind of life entering for the first time kind of like this doorway opening into eternity and this thing left but as it did it kind of reached out and went like this at us and it caught me right here and it hit the others as well they all suffered a lot of weird symptoms after but it was and i had a lot of work done after kind of healing this thing but what it is and when i had contact with it i was able to kind of perceive this other reality more and i perceived it as kind of these tentacles everywhere kind of going in and feeding off people and energetically i think you know we're not just in all our talk today we've been talking about kind of mechanical and very material things right right but there's a spiritual counterpart to this a multi-dimensional reality to this where these spiritual entities do feed off human beings and especially if you're vulnerable um alcoholics and drug addicts are especially vulnerable because of the way it depresses our natural healing aura that we have our connection to mother earth the things that keep us naturally sane and stable and happy right um so they're fed off that way and i i had another one of these other strange experiences i've had um i want to yeah when you were doing so you guys were it wasn't like a proper exorcism you were doing on that boy you he was acting weird convulsing changing colors and you all agreed that there was a demon in him no we didn't agree on that at all we didn't know what it was okay there's no such thing as a proper exorcism because different cultures have different names for it different ways they approach it you know what you see in movies it's the catholic version right right and since they own a lot of the media and that naturally you're going to get their bias on this but right no this was and i don't have like a word in their language for it because i don't know their language but as they were describing it was it was it was it was it was a different language for them because they were but they have a word for there's a word in um among my relatives uh the ojibwe central canada and like windigo i don't know if you've heard these terms but wait again when to go eastern woodlands and central plains terms for they're called man-eaters and a witch a gay eats people from the inside out and it can infect in fact whole people and that drives them crazy and they kill each other basically so i mean there's different words for for this and i don't want to you know put one definition on this thing right but um i was in my street ministry over many years in vancouver all one night i had coffee and soup i was given to homeless people and i saw this funny thing down in a basement stairway on the waterfront and it looked like a fog and i thought that's weird for a fog to be in that park and i looked down the stairways there's a homeless guy passed out but it looked like there was a fog over him right and i go down and it can congealed into more like a spongy thing you know and as i was going down i was literally felt like i was being pushed back and i heard this i didn't hear a voice but i kind of had that awareness this thing's eating him and there's nothing you can do it'll kill you if you come near it this thing is eating him right and i think it was a physical manifestation of stuff that goes on is that especially with the technology now it's and i think of this in online porn porn it feeds off our vital energy source our base chakra are the things that keep us human it attaches to that and it feeds off it literally it's a parasitic it's spiritual vampirism it's a form of parasitism and that's why the population is kept associated because they're more easily fed off that way and i think it's involving that as well and i don't know if you want to get into all this but it's part of this whole thing i've been learning right over the years so you think it's some sort of uh uh these spiritual parasites that exist in another dimension that can feed off people yeah there's there's no separation between the spiritual and the material that's kind of our western philosophical bias that you've got spirit and matter and all that it's really one but it has multi-dimensional aspects so anything happening right now in this physical world is also happening at a spiritual level so um and that's that's why religion has always played a role in controlling people and committing these massive crimes because it effectively keeps everyone mentally and emotionally caged right so be better fed off right it's how a few control the many right you know so wow that's wild when when you were at the vatican what was the name of the thing that you called out it didn't have in the ceremony the entity of the angel of rome that's a biblical term you said the entity of the angel of rome yeah is what i called it because um well people call it by their names an overmind a uh a hegemonicon um in in the um in the bible in the letters of paul whenever he writes a letter to like the he doesn't say to the church in ephesus he says to the angel of the church of ephesus he's addressing this angel right okay so it's kind of this overmind this over spirit and there's no point kind of addressing the individual people because like they say our our enemy isn't human beings it's the the controlling spirits um and you address the entity and you can affect it and hence all of its parts right so you aim at the head at like sun tzu would say in the art of war you strike at the heart you know strike at the appendages and that's what you do in an exorcism you address the overarching controlling entities right interesting yeah so you believe that this stuff is real but you don't necessarily believe that it's what the bible describes it as like do you believe like the devil is a real thing the devil is a personification no any more than god is a personification right right but they're realities right and they they influence all of us right the devil the devil is a label for something that you believe is real yeah which you can't really understand that it's not a label it's not a it's kind of like asking a goldfish to describe what it's in right well they don't know it's just the universe they don't realize it's water probably right right and it's the same way i think spiritually when you're talking about these things you can't perceive a direct it's like in quantum physics they talk about that you can't actually see a particle you can just see its ghost its trail right right and i think that's by analogy similar right yeah yeah that's bizarre yeah especially when you look at the repercussions and how it causes so much crime and this is what i don't get people can know about all these crimes by the churches and they go uh-huh yeah they're still allowed to legally operate even though they kill tens of thousands of children i asked a reporter what does that tell you when that goes on if you're still allowed to legally operate the society saying you didn't do anything wrong obviously right right so well i mean they have lots of money to pay people off and it's more than money it's been going on for a very long time yeah it's like in election campaigns the person who spends the most money doesn't necessarily win because it's it's not about money people get to a point they go i'm sick of it i want something different right and they're thinking voting will do that but um it's the same idea we're more than just matter you know yeah you know yeah it seems that way it seems like there's more to there's more to this world than the sterile materialistic view of the world and so i think that's kind of what i'm trying to do you know and you know especially it really becomes obvious when you start studying like the history of the people that innovated space travel in the u.s you know those people were like a mix of occultists freemasons and nazis apparently you know and like with you know the stuff that like l ron hubbard and and alistair crowley and jack parsons were all into like these are the people that you know were the pioneers of space travel and they were all into this crazy stuff so it's like there's definitely at the very least there's definitely way more to you know the the origins of of the exploration of space than like sterile mechanical nuts and bolts of like building rockets and stuff like that these people all believe in something more yeah i think so any any innovator has to right because you're not operating in the one-dimensional way that we're all raised to think like political designations left and right right i mean what does that politics like life is multi-dimensional you have you have tyrants in every political ideology and and kind of an libertarian element in every from left to right you know yes so why not talk about that instead of this mechanical bipolar left brain right brain right designation yeah politically right yeah 100 yeah um well listen man thank you for doing this this has been fascinating well thank you any time i'm often in florida so yeah we'll do it again if you like any particular aspect of this you want to get into more i'd be happy to yeah yeah no there's definitely it's definitely um very interesting you've been covering this stuff for a long time and uh um i really enjoyed it so thanks again thank you and one thing i didn't get into at all is this whole part of the movement where we're creating alternatives though the thing about common law courts most of the work i do now in communities helping people set up these things um assemblies not just working with survivors but how do we bring about change so this doesn't happen to our own children and grandchildren right so sometime maybe we can talk about getting into more detail about that yeah that would be fantastic i would like that um we have patreon questions oh we have a couple three patreon questions yep you want to do them now on the on the end of the show sure i'll throw them up right now we got three patreon questions sure so pull them up okay um daniel says ask kevin why uh the aboriginals still haven't dug up any bodies the truth is the truth is that while there was abuse in the residential schools it is not as clearly systematic as widespread as the claims that have been made these claims are used to these claims are used to get more money that corrupt thieves keep to themselves and their cronies danny okay what do you think about that well that shows an ignorance of what's actually happened over the years uh-huh and first of all as these these death certificates prove half the children are dying decade after decade you have tens of thousands of bodies so the question is where do they all go we know that we have letters from people like the principal at the branford school where we dug who said we've run out of space to bury the children we've had to bury them two or two three to a grave that was an article in our letter to the government in 1949 and with the children being incinerated in that it was a common practice to burn remains in the early 1960s the rcpa and the churches began a campaign to go through all of the evidence dig up all the graves they've been digging up graves and destroying evidence for decades for like 60 years now so to expect anything to have survived that nevertheless we have done digs like I mentioned at the branford school two places in BC every time we dug up bones with the elders approval proved to be human so in any regime you're not they're not going to leave evidence lying around of their mass murder right okay so this whole thing and the the claim he makes there that no bodies were found this is a whole movement that began sponsored by the Canadian government online to try to create our own domestic Holocaust denial where we're saying you know how I talked about the cover-up that's happened and I should have got into that more yeah at every level you can't get any of the stuff it's been wiped off the internet in schools like I mentioned not being allowed to speak to those teachers not allowed to look at this evidence so they've won they know they're rewriting the narrative now so they're pushing it further and saying okay now we're going to say they never even died right they have to deny their own records the eyewitness testimonies right experience of people like me who know for a fact this has happened right so I would just say the person needs to do more research by going to sources like this and asking simple common sense questions like okay are you to say there are no graves then where do they go you've got to then say well there were no deaths which is completely wrong I don't know what you're doing it's completely absurd right so it's going to end up an absurdity I'm sure one day they're going to say there were no residential schools I remember at one point in the smear campaign on me they said Kevin Anna was never a United Church minister oh really here's the ordination document people here's the testimonies of my Congress but they can tell the big lie and Hitler said you've got to tell the big lie because people are more willing to believe a big lie than the truth and the big lie now is that this is minimal they never died and I think this is a reflection of that um Timothy says what's something you liked about working in Canada in the Canadian government um if this is already answered what's something going on in Canada that the media hasn't been talking about or discussed enough I didn't work in the Canadian government um but you mean working in Canada maybe yeah maybe he just said working in Canada okay um it's my home and you want to get some resolution when it happens in your own backyard I mean I use the example when I was growing up in the United Church as a kid on Sunday I put a dollar in the collection plate for what was called the mission and service fund that dollar is being used to kill an experiment on children you know right down the street literally in the Indian schools so I have a moral obligation to do something about that as somebody born there so it's part of that and when I started this work there was a tremendous response before it got shut down people scared off bought our for killed off um you know there's been a lot of movement we had on the ground and don't forget a handful of us forced the truth out about something that nobody wanted to talk about in Canada that's quite a miracle when you think about it and that's why we want to do kind of a new docuseries document how we achieved that between 1998 and really the present time well up to 2015. so that's been positive um what the media hasn't been talking about I mean the media is being controlled now in Canada that a lot of things that happen on the ground you never hear about especially if it's having to do with China or - Is social media more controlled in Canada than it is here? - I'm not sure. I don't really operate very much in social media, so I couldn't tell you, but I mean, if anything, like Canada tends to be more repressive on many fronts. I don't know why it wouldn't be more controlled. - Right, yeah, I'm curious. - Yeah. - And is there anyone else that is speaking out about this in the way you are? - Yes, native people on the ground do it all the time. Like I mentioned those four native women in Port Alberni who called me over and said, "We had to throw these babies into the furnaces," right? People do that all the time. You never hear about them, and their life is in danger when they do it. You know, like I mentioned, people in our movement who were killed by speaking out, you don't have legal protection in Canada if you're native. Only if you're in the chief and council government Indian system do you get protection. And 90% of them are not in that system. Your life is on the line when you talk about this stuff. And that's why it took great courage for native people to do these campaigns with me, because they knew they could die from it, you know? And some of them did, so. Otherwise, you don't ever hear about this in the academic world. - Right. - It's just totally whitewashed out. And like I say, I'm under kind of a permanent blacklisting in that sense. - Wow, man. - Yep. - Well, thank you for your time. - Thank you. - I very much appreciate it. For people that are listening, where can they find your work? Get in touch with you, all that stuff? - The best source is MurderByDecree.com. And that has a link to all my books. I've written 28 books. They're all on Amazon. - Whoa. - Oh yeah, we didn't get into a lot of them. I brought some along. Not only the books about the genocide, but I've written training manuals on the common law. I wrote a whistleblower manual, how you survive attacks and everything. Just go to Amazon, put in Kevin Annet, A-N-N-E-T-T, and you'll see all that. And I'm constantly on the road meeting with people on that. But best way to reach me is my email, [email protected]. - Okay, fantastic. Well, we'll link all that stuff below for folks. And thanks again. - Thanks, Danny. - Good night, world. ♪ Oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly ♪ - Check engine, ABS, or maintenance light on? The service is free, and provides a free, free service. The service is free, and provides a report with solutions verified by ASE certified master technicians. ♪ Oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly ♪ ♪ Auto Parts ♪