#437 - New Iran UFO, Project Blue Beam & Nukes On the Moon | Darcy Weir

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This thing that just came across my feed, there's an NSA leaked document of dinosaur stargates. Yeah, there we go. Look at that. Barney, going through stargates from the defense intelligence reference, as a defense intelligence reference document, trans traversable wormholes, stargates, and negative energy. And Steve, you're reporting out that the dinosaur there is like a pre-60s dinosaur drawing? This dinosaur, yeah. So dinosaurs that drag their tails is not a real thing. And that was like something that they thought whenever they first found dinosaurs. So if you watched the first King Kong, the stop motion one, that one drags his tail. And it wasn't until, I don't know, like 70s, maybe 60s, maybe they changed it. And so this isn't a very old rendition. It's f***ing hilarious. It looks a lot like Barney. And that guy is very silly looking also. It looks pretty dilulant, you know, like delusional to me. Well, that's the thing. A lot of this stuff, dude. A lot of this old Cold War intelligence stuff on the face of it sounds extremely sensational and delusional. Well, soon as I see Stargate by FIG 7, I get a little worried, because, you know, you even saw the recent Dark Alliance, the next generation. And we cover the whole Stargate delusional propaganda that's been pushed into the UFO community for the past two decades. And like the leader of that discussion is Michael Salah. He's been pushing that Stargate's are real. They're not fiction. They're not from the movies starring Kurt Russell and David Spader. But every time we invade a country, we're not invading a country for oil or some other strategic, you know, advantage, but we're invading for a Stargate. That was one of my favorite stories from that doc when the claim was that George Bush and Dick Cheney invaded Iraq to unlock a Stargate. That Saddam Hussein was hiding, is that right? Yeah, so 9/11 happens. Very real. I think there's conspiracies around that that are real like building seven, you know, standing freefall, collapsing without being hit by planes. But, you know, we also, and you've had what's her name talking about the missing money. Catherine Fitts. Catherine Fitts on your show. Catherine Fitts was who the government used as like an accounting. Yeah, she was ahead of HUD. Yeah, to look after and track down what happened to trillions of dollars. And she couldn't find her theories that I went to black budget shit. That's right. Which, you know, perfectly fits in a UFO or, you know, deep underground military base sort of clandestine world that would be building stuff and keeping it out of sight out of sound from the American public. We're adversaries, abilities to look at it. But the story quickly got co-opted by the Dululu, like UFO crowd, like Michael Salah, and they said, well, you know, they're invading Iraq for Stargate. And I love that story. Yeah. That's way better than the story they ran with. And I think that's what happens constantly in this community. There's probably some element of truth to a conspiracy going on, right? But the folks who kind of run this strange propaganda, delusional propaganda machine, whether that's coming from Gaia TV or one of these sort of approved network entertainers that have appeared on their show, they kind of pick up a story and they repeat it until it becomes sort of fact in the UFO community. There's crooks and grifters in every community. Yeah. There is, but when you see the same sort of activity happening that you see on, let's say CNN, Fox News, ABCs, CNBC, where a story headline is repeated by every single news anchor, you know, and that activity, when you see it happening, you're like, okay, they're trying to, you know, propaganda is something because they're just right. They're condensing it and trying to get it into all of our heads that this is truth. That happens in the UFO community and it usually is backed by very large networks that have lots of money behind them. And I think, you know, companies like Gaia TV have been guilty of that. What is this? This is the Stargate man himself, Michael Salah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I remember him from your documentary. Yeah. So this guy seemed like he started out like a normal dude. Yeah, I think, I think a lot of people in the UFO community do. What happened with him was he briefly worked at Columbus University in Washington, DC. And when he started publishing articles about ET's and, you know, government cover-ups and stuff, they fired him. Yeah, man. So, which is, I don't agree with them doing that, but that's just the way these, some of these universities historically have worked and operated. They like to distance themself from controversy or whatever is going to get in the way of them making money or, I mean, what's his name? John Maxx, a great case, a great example of that. Yeah, they almost fired him. They didn't fire him though. Oh, they didn't. No, John Macx was reviewed and scrutinized by the board at Harvard University, but he eventually kind of won his case against them and he stayed. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. So, like people like him, I feel like this guy was, you know, the path that he went down where he got ejected from the university, then, because because he was talking about one thing, he found a community and he found meaning and he just leaned into it. That's, yeah, that's what it appears, right? It's a tale. It's his oldest time. Yeah. And, but the problem with that is that if you never, you know, accept the fact that you can be wrong about statements you've made, there's a face article on it. Yeah. Right. I mean, like this is from 2017 from Iraq, but that other picture you showed, he was now claiming in present day, the reason we're in Iran is actually for Stargates. Oh, really? And yeah, he has a new sort of secret space program insider guy named JP, who for the longest time was doing presentations with a dirt bike helmet on. But JP said the reason we invaded Venezuela was for Stargate technology and stuff under a pyramid that they found there, right? Like it just, it keeps going. These guys, it's like a spin-off religion. You know. - Yeah. - It really is. Yeah, it's like new age euophology that has its like four fathers and you know, those four fathers include Michael Salah, Stephen Greer, David Ike, like many, many of these guys that are OGs, then just kind of like constantly push this unproven or, you know, undocumented conspiracy about real world events. And, but it doesn't seem like they have a huge following of people, I wonder how many people actually like wholeheartedly believe what these people are saying, you know. At least 209,000 on this guy's YouTube channel, but I- - That doesn't mean they believe him. - Yeah, that's true. - There's probably some people that hate watch, but, you know. - I mean, I'm sure there's some interesting information in some of this stuff, you know. It's obviously, it's very entertaining, right? - There's actually. - I'll be interviewing Ashton Forbes, look at that. - Yeah. - Amazing. And so this guy's running a podcast, is that right? Is that what this is basically? - Yeah, he runs a podcast and he has for, I think about two decades now called exopolitics. - Is that RFK's wife? - No way. - Okay, okay, really? - No, no, it's not her. - I know RFK is homies with Danny Sheen. I didn't know. - Is he really? - Yeah, he had a Danny Sheen. - He had like a Christmas dinner or something, like a year ago and there was a photo inside of RFK's house and Danny Sheen's like in the group photo. - No, what? - Yeah. - He knows everybody, man. - He's like the force gump of like crazy historical American conspiracies. - Yeah, I don't know before his gump, but he's pretty connected. - But yeah, I mean. - He knows he was Greer's lawyer and he was Elizondo's lawyer. - At the same time. - At the same time. - Yeah, which I think is a bit of a conflict of interest, but. - Wait, they weren't suing each other though, right? They were, who were the, has that, - Well. - How would that be a conflict of interest? - I think at the time, Louis Elizondo came public and he was getting all these public attacks from Greer and Greer's camp because Greer has his whole network too. They were calling him like a paid actor and you know, a charlatan and lyre and all this stuff. And he said, I think on like CNN or something in an interview when they asked about Greer and his accusations, he said, well, you know, everything about this guy reminds me of heaven's gate cult. - Really? - Which, you know, was a suicide cult. - Right. - And Louis also declared that he wants to destroy euphology, but I think at that time, Danny Sheehan was considered Louis lawyer and also considered Greer's lawyer while they were feuding. And I don't think that feud ever really stopped. I mean, Greer published three different documentaries through the Cousin's Brothers, Third Phase of Moon. They have like that UFO YouTube channel. And pretty sure every single one of them, they were just like putting up blue imagery and saying the guy's like fake and he's lyre or he's paid. Have you had Louis on your show? - No. - Oh, okay. - What do you think? - Wow, wow, boy. He's a jagged pill to swallow. I'll help, we'll put it that way. - Yeah. - But I've had time to process it. And I think there's a lot of legitimate information in that guy's head. I just think that the way he presents it is convenient for whoever holds the secrets because like I said, he's a very jagged pill to swallow and he's very controversial and he's not a likable guy. - Yeah, but I think I can't knock the mean, I mean his connection to the Rockefellers is obviously insane. His claim about getting offered $2 billion by Stubblebind is insane. But those are great diversions to have in place, to get people to not swallow what he's selling. I think that though, like the fact that he's been doing it for so long and he's pretty much stayed on the same track the whole time, I feel like there's got to be a lot of truth mixed in with a lot of bullshit. - Or a lot of bullshit mixed in with truth. - Sure. - Like I would kind of lean towards that because even the Stubblebind, you know, dead man statement is really bullshit on the face of it because he had never mentioned that previously to going on Sean Ryan's show. - Oh, I thought he did. - No, it was like new bullshit, you know what I mean? - Yeah, I thought I heard this on, no, he said this on Joe Rogan's podcast way before that. - Did he? - Yep. - I remember listening to him on Joe Rogan. - But one that Joe, like a raced. - No, no, it's still available. - Really? - I think. - I thought Joe raced it. - Really? Did Joe raced on that? - When he went on Spotify. - Oh, you might be right. - Yeah, when Joe-- - I found it though. - I found it. It's on YouTube still. Type in Stephen Greer Joe Rogan podcast. And I guarantee you can find it on the next slide. I remember listening to it when I was driving to Miami one day. - Stubblebind was like a credible figure. He obviously was involved in like the research of UFOs and, you know. - I could go viewing for sure. - But I don't think he, I'm pretty sure. - But I feel like it's not posted by Joe. - No, it's not. He deleted it. He must have deleted it. - Yeah. - But I want to say, I remember him saying that in this episode, I could be wrong. - In that same interview, Joe was like, yo, you know your documentary is serious. You feature a guy named David Wilcox. - Yeah, I remember that. - And he's like, David Wilcox, kind of a questionable character. He thinks he's a-- - And you need a incarnation of him. - David Wilcox glazing Stephen Greer in the interview. It's like, dude, that documentary is one of the most unwatchable things we've ever seen. - So you've had Rizboan Verk on before, right? - Yeah. - Rizboan Verk is good friends with the producers of "Serious." And I got a chance to interview Riz recently for a doc I've been working on. And he said that the producers of that documentary had such a hard time with Greer because Greer's such an ego maniac and control freak that they basically almost rage quit the making of that film and they vowed to never work with him again, which is the truth. - What was the basis of that movie again? - Hi, Ohio. - That, you know, we're being contacted by aliens and the government's covering it up. Like the same sort of stuff that's in a lot of documentaries but they also featured the, I think the adakama mummy, which turned out to be a deformed baby and they said it was an alien when Gary Nolan did a forensic analysis of that body by his lab at his university. - Is this the mummy? - That's it. It's just a deformed baby, but they said it's an alien. Yeah, essentially it came back that it was 100% human DNA, so on, so forth. Yeah. - And who said that, Nolan? - Gary Nolan's lab did. They did, you know, like kind of pure reviews. So it was handed to all the experts in their field that would review the DNA, take samples, all that stuff. And when he published that, Greer said, "Oh, the CIA got to him and all this stuff and like it became this feud." But, you know, it's like, okay, moving on. - All these people are weirdos, man. All the high level, like authoritative voices in the UFO space which is very strange to me. There's a lot of red flags that go up for all of them. I don't trust anyone. - It gets kind of like cult leader-esque, yeah. - Football is heating up and price picks has become one of my favorite ways to stay locked in on the players I'm already watching. It's daily fantasy and the app makes it really simple. 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I think that there's obviously legit UFO cases that have happened. happened in the past, that we have plenty of testimony and data to prove actually happened are real, but whether those are aliens, you know, crypto terrestrials, all these other explanations, extra-dimensional angels, demons, I can't say for certain what they are, you know. I just hold my opinions open and my mind kind of like open to the ideas, but I want to see data, you know, like real documentable proof that this can be proven or this can be proven. We're doing it while the shit that the government's released there, like all those videos that the pilots are seeing, all the shit that they claim to be seeing in those congressional hearings. Yeah, no, like I was at one of the congressional hearings, I was at the one where Tim Gallaudet spoke in November of 2023 or 2024, 2024 I think. I believe people like Tim Gallaudet who served for the Navy for seven years, have you had him on? Yeah, he's great. I love that guy. Got to speak with him, I made a documentary about the ocean and, you know, cases throughout history that shows something anomalous happening in oceans all around the world. But, you know, I think that there are people that come to the field that are just looking to exploit and create kind of like a tension, Meyer that draws this whole phenomenon into the garbage. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like the Stargate people. The Stargate people. The Stargate people. The Stargate people. Yeah. Or people that want to add their own flavor to the, because it's become like an entertainment complex. There's like the UFO attainment complex or the disclosure entertainment complex. Like, how many documentaries do you think have been released that have disclosure in the title or in the metadata somewhere? Yeah. And how many congressmen and senators want to tie themselves to the UFO topic so they can get more popular support from people. Yeah. And I think because it's become so popular in the public, it is a perfect diversionary sort of entertainment topic on news to draw people's attention away from the Epstein files, the Iran War and, you know, the growing debt crisis, like all very real things. Yeah. Or the fact that we are like probably keeping exotic technologies from the public eye. So if you look at the UFO subject, every decade that somebody has come out and said, I've seen an extraterrestrial or I have witnessed a UFO craft. There have been other people that have said, we've made breakthroughs in, you know, alternate propulsion technology or energy. So, you know, a good example is Jeremy Reese, your buddy. He did a deep dive and became good friends with this guy named Edgar Rothschild Fouche, who, yeah, in 1998, he started going to UFO conferences as a whistleblower and saying, hey, you know, those triangles that people saw throughout this decade because we had the Belgian UFO wave, which was all black triangles. We had all kinds of cases ranging from like the 80s to 90s around the time that he went public. He said, this is our tech. Was Rothschild guy? Yeah. Edgar Rothschild Fouche. And Jeremy actually tracked back to, like he ended up speaking to, I can't remember the individual's name, but it was a guy who worked at Area 51, you know, the documentable as a personnel of Area 51. He asked this guy, hey, can you, let me know if Edgar worked at the base during these times? And this guy said I can neither confirm nor deny, which is what you usually say when you want to say to the person something is here, but I can't say yes, right? And Edgar provided photos of him working under a F 117 at Area 51. So we know that he was involved in the Air Force. He had an Air Force record of working for the Air Force and possibly did work at Area 51. After he went public, he wasn't a figure that was on television constantly after that. Not like, you know, Lou or David Grush or any of these other whistleblowers. He kind of hid, you know, he didn't want to become this massive personality that was talking about us building our own anti-gravity breakthrough tech. And then he died from cancer. So I think that there's a lot of evidence that we might have been building our own advanced tech and then telling the public it's aliens, it's crypto terrestrials, it's Stargate, portal dinosaurs, whatever, right? That makes sense. And that's what also has been worried when you look at the tranches that have dropped, there's literal like CGI or AI looking images that are in there or like this. What is the deal with this latest tranche? What's the story with this? I haven't reviewed it, to be honest, but that Durd's document Stargate portal thing has me concerned. Like, it makes me, it makes, it makes, it makes, why would that concern anyone? Well, I think they're not aiming for those documents to convince you or I who have, you know, more of a bird's eye view of this whole UFO subject. They're looking to convince like the soccer mom and the, you know, newcomer to the UFO subject that there's something there there, but probably for their own spin, you know, which, I mean, who knows what's going to happen in the next two years? Is it just going to be Trump forever or is it going to be maybe, some people think he's going to get a third term. So this tranche is basically like another drop of his, his UFO file deal. tranche six, yeah, because the first one, oh, this is number six, yeah. The first one was a bunch of shit that's already been public, uh, actually NASA space pitchers and documents, a lot of, and even like voice recordings of, uh, I think Gene's turn in from Apollo 17 saying, yeah, hey, we're seeing some lights outside of the capsule and so on so forth. All this stuff was already online, like available online though, a lot of it was and, um, I think they were kind of, you know, seeding the public with the idea that some of this UFO activity during the Apollo space age may have been real, you know, some of our astronauts seeing stuff could have been real. Some astronauts could have just saw stuff that we had never seen before because again, these were pioneering, uh, days in space. That we'd never been out there before, we'd never been out there before, we didn't even know the physics of the environment really, um, you know, in a good example of that when the Mercury mission went off, this is the second caps, this is the first capsule missions that we built and launched up on rockets and then it would go around earth and then crash down into the ocean, right? Lord Gemini before Apollo and, uh, John Glenn, when he went up, he saw little molecules of, uh, ice that were built up on the outside of the capsule that were flaking off and then revolving around the capsule because when you have a heavier object in space surrounded by lighter objects, those lighter objects just like the earth has a moon, yeah. Lighter objects can. start to get attracted to a larger object in space in a zero-gravity environment and he was seeing these objects Revolving and then sometimes trailing off into space and when the sun glinted on them They looked like fireflies. So he thought he was seeing some kind of organism and this was 1962 When they saw them When he saw them he was this was a public Radio broadcast he was announcing this and people were panicking, you know kind of like a war of the world's Orson Wells moment where they're like oh my god are there Things out there with him that are you know following the capsule and he was saying it's like thousands of these brilliant fireflies Right, but we had never seen ice particles, you know glow right in the sun in a zero-g environment right you know in a Space environment, you know, there's a lot of weird things about NASA and the Apollo mission, especially in the early days Totally, you know, and it's like whenever I get like proper academic people in here And they want to talk to me about this whole thing and like the nuts and bolts part of it and how like if you have any If you think any of the conspiracies revolving the Apollo missions or NASA are The least bit true. You're absolutely insane and like one of the things that they don't appreciate Is that one of the things that Jesse Michael always points out so well is that the founders of NASA were it was like a cocktail of SS officers Occultists and Freemasons. Yeah, yeah, there was like three three different sort of cults within You know, you had what was it Jack Parsons? Yeah, you know Elron Hubbard and they were like some trying to summon demons. Yeah sex magic, right and then you used to Crowley They were all friends like yeah, yeah, and then you had X Nazis who You know Werner Werner von Braun and all these guys came over under project paper clip. Yeah post-World War II and the American military we're like let's put these guys to work and We become the strongest nation in the world militarily and also Realizing that space is the ultimate theater you want to conquer, right? So there was a iron bark memo that I think it came came out through a previous FOIA It's from 1958 and the Air Force in that is saying back in 1958 we intend to put Nuclear bombs into space and on the moon to have the ultimate You know advantage over the earth. So if if one of our adversaries is trying to mess with us. See you later This was 1958, right? They wanted to arm space to the teeth and I don't think there's any reason they haven't done that. Yeah, I agree with you I mean there's a rocket that goes up in Cape Canaveral almost every day a SpaceX rocket. Yep, and SpaceX has completely DOD classified access and You know, it's really frightening to me how All of these agencies that spun out of NASA have it's been NASA's basically become privatized Yeah, well NASA doesn't even have to really I think long-term. They don't even have to exist Dude 1958 the US Air Force created project A119 to study nuclear explosions on the moon. What the fuck? While classified iron bark CIA intelligence files later detailed Cold War assessments of advanced and Nuclear-powered space rockets. I'd heard about that one. Yeah, and the purpose of it The flash would be visible from earth and the military hoped it would boost American morale after the Soviet Union launched sputnik Okay, well nuke the moon. That's way cooler than sending a sputnik into space go America There's a reason ominating a miscarrier pops up everywhere in our culture from video games to folklore to popular holiday imagery But once I actually tried it. 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I did called secret space UFOs and That covers everything from the X 15 missions right through to the end of the Gemini missions Scoot this way tiny bit. Yeah, there you go and So even during the X 15 missions there was Robert Walker and Joe White two of the first pilots to ever be declared astronauts. They flew on a rocket propelled Space plane that launched off of the wing of a B2 B52 bomber kind of like Virgin Galactic does the same thing but for rich tourists and when they went up there both pilots reported that they saw Objects like UFOs like the classic saucer shapes Pacing their craft in space I believe it was Joe White he went on He what he didn't interview for life magazine life magazine was like the biggest magazine back in the 1960s and He said yeah, like at first I thought it might have been something that flaked off The craft and was just stuck in space following me, but he said Whatever it was it was speeding up and keeping pace with the craft. It was not from that Wow, and that's back in I think his mission was like 1961 so since NASA's inception Astronauts have been proclaiming that they've seen stuff in space that we shouldn't have you know that Was beyond our liquid rocket technology at that time Do you believe Gary McKinnon's account of what he saw when he hacked NASA. Yeah, I do I Think that is probably the most true version will ever get of a possible secret space program You know like we have the NASA public space program where I give them a quick rundown of what that was so the Let's call it the fabled secret space program the kind of like Dulu Loo psi op version that came out of Gaia TV Mm-hmm that became popular in around 2015 with People like Corey good David Wilcox proclaiming that there was this Secret space program where people Regular people would be inducted into this clandestine paramilitary space program They would serve in a 20-year service in space time-traveling well They would just you know, let's say we we approach you Come with us. We're gonna launch into space. You're gonna fight Tillians and yeah grays or whatever and then when you're done your 20-year service We're gonna bring you back to earth and we're gonna age Regress you the Benjamin button style back to the year that we took you and usually it's like a teen age is what they say Right, but there's many different flavors. There's no consistency There's no proof, right? There's literally not a single shred of proof that these people are telling the truth Um Either from the Air Force the Navy NASA whenever to Greer's credit. He's never said he's done any of this shit. No You know, but he has held up a NASCA mummy hand that's like, you know pretty sketchy looking and obviously a piece of art And and the bug is fear the the bogus sphere. So you know, I think at some time you get a kind of Back away from bullshit, but um, yeah, so that SSP secret space program Fabled mythology has really taken root and become the major conversation for people in the UFO community and Something we did in Dark Alliance the next generation. Mm-hmm not Star Trek We so I got Authorization from Richard Dolan to include his interview with Gary McKinnon. So, you'll see this interview where Gary is talking to him about his experience, seeing this stuff. So, Gary used this very basic way of hacking into servers back in the '90s. I used to work in IT in a help desk role, so I can totally understand what this is like. But when you set up a server the first time as like a network admin at a company, usually you're connecting that to a desktop server computer, right? The software is, let's say, of the time Windows 2000, Server 2000, and the default account when you install that software is administrator with no password. Because they expect you, as a smart IT guy, to start to harden your OS, your Windows server with security, which the first step would be you create another administrator account on the same machine. You change the name from administrator to Danny Jones podcast, and then you create a password for that, right? What he realized is that a lot of people out there are lazy, and they set up a machine, and they just keep it at administrator blank password. So, he wrote this script to find all of these IP network addresses for servers for different places like that were major military or space-based administrations for the United States. He was obsessed with UFOs. Because he listened to Adana Hare testimony during the Greer disclosure project days of 2001. And she proclaimed that she worked as a contractor. I think it was, I want to say it was like JPL, Jupp Propulsion Lab or something, and one of her associates, friends, was invited in, she was invited by him to look at some photos that they had taken from space of just Earth's surface. And at that point, he said, what do you think that is? And it was like a classic saucer shape UFO, but from the top, you know, look up, there's a documentary out now called the Kote Photo, which is C-O-T-E. I'm just shouting it out because fellow documentarian that's covering UFO stuff. But that's like a classic saucer shape UFO from a satellite view. And he said, yeah, we just airbrush all these out, like we have to get rid of these before they go to a university, to be public, or, you know, it's a whole movie about this one photo. Apparently, yeah, yeah, you know, hopefully it's good. I haven't seen it yet, but the point is that there's probably a lot of administrations that have been capturing satellite imagery or, you know, administrations. Like military, Air Force, NASA, NSA, what's the one that NRO, NRO reports, they're basically a collection. Isn't there an underwater NRO too? I forget the acronym for that one. There's an underwater NRO. Yeah. Yeah. What's his name? I think you've had him on, who's. Gerb. Gerb. He's like the megabrain of these secret. Yeah. Don was telling me about that also when he was here, because he wrote a book recently about the underwater UFO stuff. Yeah. So I think there's all these different agencies, let's call them, that are either collection. They have tools to collect this kind of data and then scrub it, you know. Or sequester it, put it away, archive it forever, only for, you know, authorized eyes, only type thing. But Gary McKinnon, back to him, like his testimony is credible and he hacked into. I can't remember what the. I think he hacked into. One of the buildings. Brad and like a space command, yeah. I can't remember what it is. But. He was trying to hack the Pentagon and shit. He was. The one of the buildings that he hacked was in. I think it was in Houston. Yeah. Yeah. What was it? It was Houston. One of the buildings in Houston. I can't remember the name of the building though. Anyway. He told us on that one thing we did. So this is the story of his credible experience, witnessing not only photos that looked like UFOs in space, like, you know, fast walkers, let's call them. Because that's what the Air Force literally deemed through their Air Force manuals and John Greenwald's FOIA requests that fast walkers existed. Like, these are space-based, unidentified flying objects. So he saw this evidence of photos of what looked like an object that was not built by, you know, us floating above the Earth and his access got cut off by a network admin who was probing who he was at the time. And, you know, prior to that, he had seen, let's say, like, an Excel list of off-world terrestrial officers or something. Yeah. Yeah. So. And there were a bunch of people, like, over 100 people on that list. Yeah. Dudes who were in space that we don't know about in the public, right? So they could be Air Force. They could be Navy. I think he was Navy, actually. Yeah. He explained to us how the picture was loading and he was on a dial-up connection and the picture was loading, like, very, very slowly. It was probably, like, a 56 K modem at the time and it was loading line by line. Exactly. And he got, like, right down to, like, the bottom of the craft, which he said it was a metallic cigar-shaped craft with two little golf ball. Exactly. That's exactly what he said it looked like right there. Yeah. And then someone pulled the plug on it and he got kicked out. That's obviously. Yeah. So that's, like, a. And my thing is. Autistic rendition. Right. And he didn't get a screenshot. No. He didn't. He got. We're just taking his oral testimony. That's right. So we're trusting him on his word, but what makes him more credible is that the United States tried to extradite him to. Possibly. Possibly. To Guantanamo Bay. Which is. Progressive extradition processes, about that the U.S. has ever done, like, on the level of Julian Assange. Yeah. And actually, he got, kind of, like, formally acquitted by Teresa May, a previous. For being having Asperger's, right? Yeah. She was claiming, like, due to his disability, he didn't quite, you know, comprehend and was, you know, it's a disability, so he should be let off for this crime and he's done time served. You know, on house arrest in the UK, and he was definitely being constantly monitored. He wasn't allowed to access computers in the same way after, like, like we do with normal hackers in the United States or Canada. So he did serve some form of punishment, but why would they want to extradite him if he didn't do what he said, right? Break into some heavily. They wanted to put him in prison for, like, 80 years. Yeah. And possibly a Guantanamo Bay, which is where you send the most. Polique Shema Hammond. Yeah. That's where you send the fucking 9/11 terrorist. You send terrorists that have murdered people, you know what I mean? So that's a credible story, but what happens when this, kind of, like, Dululu group within this new age UFO community, when they get hold of this information, they spin it. And Michael Salah started publishing books that that testimony from Gary McKinnon also included him verifying the Solar Warden program, which is like this fabled secret space program that the United States sends, like, nuclear submarine-type cigar-shaped objects into space. Oh, wow. Around the Solar System, and they lock it down, and they fight aliens, like, reptilians and stuff, right? It all sounds, like, interesting, but there's no paper, there's no documentation to prove it, right? And it's just like it becomes. is a Lord of the Rings expansion mythology, you know? And Gary in our documentary, when he gets examined by Richard Dolan, he says like, so did this verify the solar warden program? And Gary's like, no, no, no, no. That's the thing that constantly happens by that group. You know, it's either we invaded a country for a stargate. That's the real reason we went there or, you know, solar warden exists or all this testimony from these people that said they've been living a 20- - And Iran is seven weeks away from a stargate, we have to attack now. - Exactly, yeah. Well, no, the thing is the stargate is supposedly the ancient alien technology. And Iran has found it. - And they reverse engineered it? - No, they just had it. And we want to take it back from them instead of their oil. - Right, yeah. - I might believe that more than Nukes. - Yeah, well, yeah, the weapons of mass destruction was a huge, you know, bullshit reason to invade. But I think that oil and, you know, having a foothold within the Middle East was the major reason, right? And also, George Bush has admitted, George Bush Jr. has admitted to public. They tried to kill my daddy, you know? 'Cause Saddam did try, he planted a car bomb and tried to kill George Bush Sr. in the '90s. - Is that proven? - Yeah, can we look it up? - Yeah. - Pull up the plot, just Saddam, who sings plot to kill George Bush Sr. - Yeah. - I know about that. - So I think like, you know, there was all kinds of motives and reasons that are terrestrial and not start to get related. But, you know, part of the reason to make these documentaries is try and bring us back to the middle part of the conversation, you know? And have people not spinning off into delusion land and fueling conspiracy that's completely unproven and not useful to the discussion, right? Like, when it gets super crazy like that, it also discounts the conversation from the mainstream. So, you know, you saw Dark Alliance. I also worked with this guy, Nick Larner, and we released the Dripton Files, which is covering the NASCA mummies, - Yeah. - Whole thing. That was really fun, right? Like, what I like to do in a documentary is go through chronologically like year by year as a story is evolving and prove what are the foundations to this, right? Like, where did this actually come from? Who's been saying this stuff? And the interviews you saw were from interviews I did with Jaime Mauson back in 2018, yeah. - Who's saying directed plot to kill Bush? US says Persian Gulf officials call the evidence compelling, but no attack on the Iraqi leader was considered. No, oh, he directed plot to kill Bush before President Clinton ordered Sunday's retaliatory strike against Baghdad, American intelligence concluded that the Iraqi president said, I'm who's saying himself, we had directed the attempted car bomb assassination on former president Bush in April and not a lower, okay, interesting. - I'll bring it back, I'm gonna go to the washer. - All right, quick break. - This was the first attempt for the Americans to try and recover a Stargate, but they couldn't capture the Stargate. So when George Bush Jr. took over, he finally accomplished capturing the Stargate. Right, him and Dick Cheney both. - Yes, that makes sense, yeah. - That makes a lot of sense. - Yeah. - Yeah, man, it's like the problem with this stuff, like Stargates and portals and astral projection, like the point I was making earlier is that it sounds so kooky and absurd on the face of it, you know? But there actually is like government documents that talk about how they investigated this shit, which is so strange. So I think, so it's like, where does it originate? Does it originate in some science fiction writer's mind or does it originate in the government's mind? Like who's, what's first, the chicken or the egg? - Yeah, and we actually cover some of that stuff in Stargates, dark wines, and I mean, - I mean, David Engelson says in her DARPA book that the Pentagon invites like crazy top level science fiction writers to the Pentagon to like brainstorm new ideas for like secret future technology. - Yeah, think tanks, right? Like where they've got out, I mean, we're living in a time right now where you can literally talk to AI and build an app at home. - It's insane, dude. - That a company would have taken, you know, maybe five years to launch and you can launch within, I launched an AI-built app, the plugs into Premiere Pro to help me edit. - Really? - Yeah. And it like, you know, you don't have to use Opus clip anymore. You can literally just put your long form content whether it's podcast or a feature-length film, and you can hit analyze, now make social media clips, and it'll convert it all to like nine by 16, add burned-in captions, all that jazz, right from Premiere, right? That took me three months to build it. And, you know. - I still use Premiere. - Yeah. - Oh, man, sorry. - Are you DaVinci? - Yeah, we're DaVinci people. - Everybody's DaVinci people. I gotta switch it to DaVinci. I've reached out to so many people who like, dude, I'm not using Premiere. - First, it was Final Cut, then it was Premiere, now it's DaVinci. - It's all DaVinci resolved, because you don't have to pay for a month. - Before Final Cut, it was, what was the other one? That was a PC version, a Final Cut that everyone used back in the day. - Oh, like Vegas? - Vegas. - Vegas video, that's cool. - I started on an app in high school called Pinnacle Studio DV, back when we had mini DV camps. - Oh yeah? - Yeah. - That was fun. - I started on iMovie. That was my, that was my initiation. - I've always been a Windows guy. But, so, back to what you were saying, like, where does this sci-fi style conversation come from? Where does it begin and, you know, does it start with Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek or did the Pentagon, you know, I think there's lots of proof that these UFO people are lifting science fiction ideas. They're watching a movie like Stargate and then nine to 10 years later saying, we invaded Iraq for a Stargate. That's literally what happened in the case of Michael Sala. - You think that's what these grifter type people are doing? - Yeah. - Okay. - But. - So then why is the government choosing to name their secret operations Stargate? - Well, you're talking about, but that's remote viewing. That's what, yeah. - Who cares? - Time travel. - Yeah. I mean, it's consciousness time travel. - It's not like a physical like walking through a ring and appearing on an alien planet, right? Yeah, maybe because they, well, Stargate, but it was declassified or it was announced to end in 19, what was it, 92 or 91? - I don't remember. - I don't care if I remember it is. - But obviously, it was Project Gondola at one point and all these other secret names that, what's Gondola is nothing to do with Stargate. I mean, they just kind of surmised it all as one big project at the end, but it had other project names before that had nothing to do with like a film made by Roland Demmerick. I think that sci-fi has had science fiction always, if it's good science fiction, has elements of what could be plausible in reality, right? - That's human beings thinking up all this shit at the end of the day, right? And I'm sure both worlds bleed into each other quite a bit. - Yeah, in fact, if you go back and look at, this is a really interesting one, if you go back and look at close encounters of the third kind, the opening scene from that movie, which I think people can watch on YouTube for free, Steven Spielberg's breakthrough sort of UFO film. - I'm trying to remember that scene. - They're at a Norad facility and a guy walks up to. - Oh, the hand scanner? - A hand scanner. - A hand scanner. - Exactly. And that came out before Bob Lizar went public. That came out in the 1970s, that film. And Bob Lizar said, you know, I. Use the bone scanner that because every person has a different sort of sized Digit bone structure, which is unique to them, and that's why the hand scanner would work It was in close encounters of the third kind before Bob said that Decades, but how do we know that the people who made closing counters didn't know that this was already a real thing at Some sort of secret military base when the closing counters come out 1976 I don't know can you find out? Robo Steve Robo Steve, but yeah, I mean I speculate that some of this stuff is lifted from sci-fi to make a story Seem 77 Yeah, ten years after we went to the moon. Yeah, yeah, well, no, we stopped going to the moon in 19. What was it 72? Okay was a problem for me after our first mission Yeah, yeah, definitely but then You know Bob Lazar when did Bob Lazar go public 98 I think 88 to 84 I believe it was 88 Let's find out 89 89 so lots of time got lots of time to build that into your story But I'm not saying that I disagree with everything Bob Lazar has said. Yeah, maybe he did use a hand scanner Yeah, maybe the DOD at the time now the DOW had seen that film. We're like, that's great idea. Let's build it right? Good science fiction is always going to include something if If it is good that could be made in reality today's episode is brought to you by mod Mod prescribes a once-to-twice per day, Modaphanil drink that keeps you alert energized and focused throughout the day Here's the mechanism energy drinks with caffeine temporarily block a denocene the chemical that makes you tired It builds up and when the caffeine wears off it all crashes down at once Modaphanil works totally different. It engages multiple pathways in your brain dopamine, nor epinephrine, histamine, and orxin to achieve steady energy and alertness for up to 10 to 12 hours Modaphanil was invented in the 1970s and since then it's been being used by high performers in situations where concentration and alertness is paramount including soldiers, fighter pilots, and astronauts aboard the space station It's now available at mod.com for qualifying patients Visit mod.com for a free consultation and get 10% off your first order plus free shipping when you use the promo code Danny, that's promo code D-A-N-N-Y at mod.com See the website for important safety information and we thank mod for sponsoring this podcast Here's my thing if this but the bubble is always witnessing all this crazy these flying saucers in the 80s and all these whistleblowers are correct about us being able to reverse engineer crazy things if these pilots are seeing these wild tick-tack objects that are coming out of the Ocean and moving around faster than laser pointers How come we can't win a war with Iran? Why aren't we using any of this stuff on the battlefield? Or maybe we are and there's just like an crazy deception going on in the so in the US media that is like painting a whole different narrative. Yeah Great question. I think because a we probably don't have enough of the tech like If there is something like Edgar Rothschild Fouche had discussed existing, which is the TR3B Which is a big black triangle uses something called a magnetic field disruptor as its center engine that makes an object weightless up to 98 99% of its mass. Mm-hmm. I think There's not enough of them to deploy it. Yeah, you know and also that would make more sense to You know, clandestinely build into drone technology, right? Why would you put a human into something that's gonna Stop on a dime and then speed at like I think you would yeah, you would just use computers because they don't need to feel inertia or you know You don't have to protect so But we haven't seen that right we've only seen conventional tech and people poor Dudes in the Navy sitting on an aircraft carrier. Right some of them starving right to fight out in the straight of war moves right now, right? so I think that's where a lot of the stuff does fall apart in the UFO community Like you said, why aren't we using some of this stuff? Maybe it's just like if That technology is real if we have figured out some level of anti-gravity or Some kind of flying saucer that defies modern physics that we understand today Maybe that's just an insane new physics that Who knows if it was previous humans that got wiped out or like We're a breakaway civilization or if it was a completely different species of something from another place that figured this out for the for a different purpose right and then us apes we get a hold of it and we're like How do we strap a fucking gun to it and maybe that just doesn't work? Maybe maybe there's no way to put a gun on it, you know, yeah, maybe as soon as you that's just the lens that we look at everything with That's what all the money goes to yeah, everything everything goes to war. Yeah, if I have the biggest stick no one's gonna attack me type of thing. I mean I don't agree with the Notion that Greer has spread for a while now that the only way to be an intergalactic or interplanetary Species is to conquer your war like tendencies. I think If we're talking about artificial intelligence for example, which a lot of experiencers have You know, you could chalk up their experiences as an abductee for example as being a Sentient life form that's non-human that possibly is AI led, you know artificial intelligence, right? So like a Gray, you know a lot of people have witnessed that or I Did a doc about Calvin Parker and Charlie Hickson called Pasca Gulu 73. It's like a four episode Each one's about an hour long what's the story with that? Well, Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker Stated that they were abducted on October 11th 1973. They were fishing on the Pasca Gulu River in Mississippi and When I had first heard about this case. I was like that's that's wild like what if these these guys really got picked up The interesting thing about their case is that there was all these sort of things that pointed to something happening to them, right? They had puncture wounds which people typically Abductees of what have remarked they've had scoop marks or you know places where Genetic material was taken They Reported this incident to the Air Force the Air Force said We're not covering that since we closed our case on project blue book They called the Sheriff's Department The Jackson County Sheriff picked them up and had them in an interrogation room at 11 p.m. That night and they planted a Tape recorder Secretly under the table and recorded their whole conversation when Sheriff Red Diamond and his personnel left okay, and They were completely traumatized like these guys really were freaked out of their mind something happened to them, you know Is that audio available still? Yeah, it's in the documentary and I put subtitles and stuff on all of it because it was the What are they saying when the officers left the room? Oh, they're like saying, you know Just they were frightened. They were saying all kinds of stuff like they're gonna think we're alcoholics They're gonna think we're crazy. No one's gonna believe this, you know things you would hear from a okay Sane person that's worried about telling an insane story, you know what I mean? and before the Policeman leaves the room he does say have you guys done any drugs if you drank anything tonight like that type of thing They're like no sir or no sir, you know But anyways, like that case is interesting and and what they report is something robotic literally like Floating robots picking them up Taking them on board a craft and then this examination happening in two different rooms Oh, Jesus, dude, and like you know, these things didn't have eyes. They didn't have Two legs. They just kind of had like these pincer like appendages and they were floated a a board of craft and Stuff happened to them for you know, they think it could have been an hour or maybe two hours or something then they were drop back on the riverbank and traumatize free debt. - What do they do to them? - Well, Calvin reported that he was-- - These do still live? - Both of them are dead now. - Okay. - Yeah. I interviewed the lead investigator of these cases, this guy named Philip Mantle, who wrote Calvin Parker's books. Philip is over in the UK. So I flew to the UK and interviewed him in his home. He's a bit older now. It's hard for him to travel and stuff. But yeah, I had never known this case to have a confluence of evidence before. I thought it was just those guys' testimony, but in documenting that story, I show that there was all kinds of experience, like dozens of people that experienced the UFOs above Mississippi during leading up to and after the incident. So it wasn't like just these two guys that went fishing one night. It was literally like Sheriff Red Diamond himself published the newspaper that he saw the UFO activity leading up to that night. Other police officers, there was a priest that was driving in his car with two other witnesses that saw this UFO fly over top of their car. There was the Navy and the Coast Guard got involved 'cause they saw an object glowing in the river and going out into the ocean around the exact same time. And there's a whole document that we published that show that they went up and they actually tried to poke it with a stick under the water. You know, everybody was mystified by this UFO phenomenon at that time and it just so happened to men were like, we were taking a board of craft and examined at that time, you know? And that became the major story, but all these other witnesses leading up to and after were corroborating it, including the Coast Guard and such. So skeptics have said, you know, might've been a Russian submarine that those guys witnessed in the river. Yeah, and that like that's Calvin Parker and Charlie Hicks and we're taking a board that. You know, there was all kinds of skepticism published around it, Philip J. class, you know, prominent UFO debunker of the time. So, you know, there's cases like that that have more credence in history than the new age secret space program or the 20 and back, right? 'Cause there's literally, there was even a UFO video recorded at the same time that this Pascagula incident happened. It was not a video would have been a film, right? 'Cause it was the 1970s, but we published that also in the dark. So, yeah, when you have like every day, like Salt of the Earth people, like living their normal lives and then all of a sudden this crazy story pops up in their lives where it's like, okay, this person has no connection to Hollywood. They don't make movies, they don't write books. They're out on TV all the time. That's probably more credible than somebody who is in that world, like the Wilcox and the other guy. Yeah, I mean, these Wilcox movies, if you all of a sudden had this story, how you were abducted by aliens and you were gone, I'd be like, you're fucking full of shit. You're trying to make it sell a documentary. Yeah. Pretty much. That would be my initial like reaction to it. Yeah. And I think there, that is like the perfect example. I mean, Cory Good, this guy who said he was in this 20-in-back mission storyline thing. He said he was picked up by a bubble and flown to a space station and met the on-shar and this like galactic federation. Galactic federation is literally from Star Trek, you know? Like words lifted right out of sci-fi. And then he proceeded to serve in this 20-year mission and he fought reptilians and all this stuff. He was in an underground basis. Like his story, when it hit the scene, it seemed to marry all of these conspiracies that possibly do exist if you talk to Gerb, right? Like he's done serious deep dives on deep underground military bases existing. What they have there, what they're doing there, you know? We don't know. But there's very good evidence that stuff activities happening there, right? Then a secret space program, Gary McKinnon, says, you know, I saw stuff when I hacked into this server or servers. I think it's real secret space activity. The public doesn't know about it, therefore definitely a secret. But then you have these individuals that come out and get platformed on these massive, like sort of new A.G. entertainment networks that marry all of these conspiracies into one mega conspiracy. So yeah, I think, you know, obviously, you know that I'm getting attacked right now by Corey Good. Yeah, he's taking down all your stuff. Yeah, I like copyright claiming it. Copyright claim. Does he own the copyright to it? I think in the court of law, absolutely not. So what happened was every person that he's partnered with over his tenure of being in the UFO community. Leon Isaac Kennedy, Roger Richards-Rampsoor, Yvonne Youngblood, Jay Widener, who was the head of production at Gaia TV. You know, Jordan Saither, all of these people that at one time worked for him or with him on his projects, he ended up litigating. Oh, nice. Yeah, and in 2022, this court case was well underway between Corey and Leon Isaac Kennedy, Yvonne Youngblood and Richard Rampsoor as defendants. Corey was claiming defamation and attempts of embezzlement and all this stuff of his money for his secret space program documentaries and productions he had put on. And a deposition video, a legal video was recorded in 2022 by the defense team, which is Leon Isaac Kennedy and his lawyer, Lyndon Webb. Okay, I remember that was wearing the glove. He's wearing like a Michael Jackson type wrist glove or something like that. And in that six hour deposition video, Lyndon Webb puts it to him, "Have you ever been to space?" And he says, "No, I've not been to space." Not my physical body. Yeah, exactly. Consciously, yeah. Yeah, which is not his original story. And that's why when you look at these 20 and backers, a lot of them don't have consistency to their story which should be a red flag to normal people, but so many people get swept up and believing it. Corey recently made a documentary with this Canadian guy, Jason Wong Lim. - How recent? - 2025. - Wow, that's not still at it. - Yeah. And he used some of that deposition video, which is not his. It was recorded by the defense team of Leon Isaac Kennedy, Roger Richard's Ram Soren, Ivan Youngblood in 2022, and in December 22nd of 2025, Corey filed a copyright certificate for Corey Good 2022 deposition video, claiming he created that video. So when you file a copyright, you're just paying the copyright office and saying, you know, this is mine. - Right. - But, which is not nothing, if you're the first one to do it, that's definitely something. - Right. - But in a court of law, technically the person who recorded that video owns that copyright by default. - Yes. And further to that, under federal law, if a court case video, a deposition video, becomes public, like gets published online, YouTube, which Stephen Cambian, who's a podcaster that runs truth seekers, he published that deposition video in 2022 to his YouTube channel, saying like, you know, this is it guys. He's admitting, showing everything. I'd become aware of that. And that's when I was making dark alliance to kind of like tell this whole story of all these people tied up in this feud. And so, when a video that's part of a court proceeding, gets published online, it becomes fair use material. - Public domain. - It becomes public domain. And he's just creating a copyright on it. video, he didn't create, and claiming that's mine, and then filing that to 2BTV, he did it to me, Amazon, to my distributors who have been partnered with for years, trying to like a rude relationship I have with a film production company I've been dealing with for over four to five years, claiming that the video was stolen from him, and it's insane, dude, like he also filed these copyrights on YouTube and had my trailers taken down. Yeah, so if I'm aware, if I'm, if it's still the way that it used to be, if I remember correctly, the way it works on YouTube is basically anyone can file a copyright take down on any video they want. They have to fill out an explanation of why it's their copyright, and then what happens is it automatically takes that video down. Yeah, so the person who uploaded it, then the balls in their court, they say YouTube gives them two options. Option one, this is a take down, the video is down or whatever, or you can challenge this, and you can basically say this is wrong or this is false or whatever, and then that person who originally filed the copyright take down has 30 or 60 days to file an actual lawsuit. Yeah. And if they don't file the lawsuit, the video goes up. Yeah, goes back up to them. Yeah, they had to prove in a court of law that they, that their copyright is real and that they are the proven original creator and you know, yes, can, can prove that it's their video. And then whatever the outcome of that lawsuit happens, then YouTube has to be notified about what the outcome was and then they'll then they'll take it down permanently again. Right? But you know, I can read you an email. If I don't know what the rules are, but I might as well just make this public because it's, it's the truth, right? This is the, the character we're dealing with here. So we wrote this to my distribution partner and me thinking that this would be a good idea. This is how Dululu, this person is. Hello, Darcy. I am writing regarding your counter notification concern regarding dark alliance and the use of footage from my registered audio visual work, the deposition of Corey Good 2022 US copyright registration number PA 2-574-667. We are currently exploring federal litigation concerning the specific uses of the copyrighted deposition footage. If the dark alliance films containing that material are not removed or the copyright issue is not authorized otherwise resolved. I understand the position you have taken through the film hub counter notification. Your counter notification states you, you give consent to jurisdiction in the US district court of for the central district of California and will accept service of process concerning this dispute. Okay. So he's like basically starting the threat, right? Like I'm sure. Now now he's pivoting to, oh, well, you're going to say you'd go to California and fight this legally. We may allow film hubs current DMCA deadline to elapse while the litigation strategy is finalized. And I, if appropriate, initiate a new enforcement process after a federal action has been filed by me or the appropriate and or the appropriate associate media companies, nothing about allowing the present film hub deadline to expire should be interpreted as a waiver abandonment or concession concerning my copyright or the dispute, disputed uses of the deposition footage. I also want to make you aware the copyright litigation against Stephen Cambian concerning alleged on authorized uses of copyrighted material is being pursued in the United States. In addition, I understand the multiple legal actions are being pursued or prepared by various parties concerning conduct associated with individuals and groups that have harassed David Wilcock and me. Those matters are separate from the specific copyright dispute between you and me. But I want you to understand the broader legal environment in which these issues are now being addressed. That said, I would prefer to find a mutually beneficial solution with you rather than add another lawsuit if that can be reasonably avoided. This is where these ships to extortion. Proposed license resolution. I am willing to discuss granting your company a license covering the deposition footage used in dark alliance documentaries subject to mutually accepted written terms rather than asking you for a conventional licensing payment. I would be interested in discussing an exchange of media rights and access that could potentially benefit both of us. Specifically, I would like to access to the full catalog of interviews and original interview footage produced for the two dark alliance documentaries to the extent you control the necessary rights to license that material. We are developing a television series for which portions of relevant interviews could be potentially useful. The series is being handled by a professional production company, blah, blah, blah. Basically, starting to say, I want to take all of your interviews that you conducted through the dark alliance documentaries and use them in my documentary. Like, trying to extort me for stuff I filmed that's all my actual property and that I've gotten released for. Legitimately, when I got that deposition video, I interviewed Leon Isaac Kennedy and he's the originator of that deposition video. Right. And what does he say to you about this footage? Leon signed off. He let me use his interview. I gave him a cut of the documentary and said like, this is your interview. This is the footage that's around it. He reviewed that and then said, I give express. So if this gets litigated, this guy's got your back. Yeah. Like, if this gets litigated in the federal court, like, which it won't. I would bring all of my documentation there on top of that. I had a copyright for my film, which included the footage before he even created his film in 2025. I created my film in 2024. And then the subsequent dark alliance next generation film in 2025, previous to him even releasing his Dululu doc about harassment and, you know, being in a secret space program. Right. Yeah. People or some people are just ship bags. It's crazy, dude. Yeah. And like, I figured that telling this story would be up service to the community, right? To people that are trying to navigate conspiracies, intellectually, and avoid the bullshit, you know? But this is what this person does. Like, it's his M.O. He sued everybody like Jay Widener. He's in a huge case against Gaia right now, claiming that they're part of a, it's a Rico lawsuit, like a racketeering lawsuit that he started against them, which I think is a world's first in the whole community. Hold that thought. I got a p real quick. Yeah, back. This whole scene, this whole UFO scene has been overwhelming for me. And it's nice to be able to take a step back from it for a while. And try to get like a big, a big picture view of this sort of like maze that this thing is because to navigate it is really as difficult. You know, it's just, it's just a maze of just slop and lies. And there's a lot of truth in there somewhere, I think. Yeah. And a lot of things are true. I mean, I mean, I think I think this, whatever this, whatever the reality of this whole phenomenon is, I feel like it's probably multiple things happening at once. And you know, the part of it that really gets me curious and gets me interested is the whole like consciousness aspect to it all. You know, I had Peter LeBenda in here. And I was asking him, I was like, you know, he's a historian of like a cult stuff. And like the early sort of like occult occultists in America and like the religious people and the Freemason is that got into NASA and how that all spun off into all these weird secret programs. And I asked him, I was like, I was like, if you were in charge, I'm like, how would you try to explore this and find out what the reality of it is? And he said he would take all of the experiencers and he said he would basically deconstruct their consciousness, like take apart the radio and figure out like what's going on inside the consciousness of these people to figure it out because he thinks it's, he thinks it's somehow a consciousness-based. Yeah, I think without, you know, having, uh, watching that interview with him, I could kind of surface layers say he's saying, uh, experience is subjective, right? And each experiencer may have different things at play within their own body and their mind that are creating their own subjective experience that's unique. Some people might be hallucinating. Some people might be on drugs. Some people, you know, might have some kind of form of psychosis. People forget about like, there is all kinds of real, um, medical conditions and like real, world situations where people see things that are not real, you know what I mean? And um, some people might be, you know, a scammer or whatever. There's, uh, so those are like the negative ways to look at it, but then for the small fraction of people that have had a physical sighting or experience that has happened in their reality that's not, um, affected by the negative interpretations of what, what they saw or experienced. Those are the cases we should litigate, we should really try to understand more about. And um, you know, Dr. Edgar Mitchell before he passed, he did a, this, this study called the free study, F-R-E-E, I don't know if you can look that up. I can't remember what it, um, but it's all experiencers and, um, out of all those experiencers, these are like abductees, um, close encounter type people, near death experience people. I think about 80% of, I think it's 3,000 cases that they looked across. Most of the, uh, people encountered humanoids like, um, grays or what people would describe as Nordic, which, you know, if you're saying Nordic, a blonde, fair skinned humanoid would be blue eyes, that's, that's a human, right? Just a human doing something that's extremely advanced, you know, like operating UFO and so on so forth. Yeah. Which makes me think, you know, are we, is that person, um, interpreting that interaction with a Nordic, uh, as an alien experience, but really it's a human from the future. Like do we end up creating portals and time traveling and stuff like that? Like I'm open to that, especially with the advent of AI, accelerating all technologies at the same time, um, study conducted by Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation into extraterrestrials and extraordinary experiences free represents the first comprehensive investigation on individuals who have reported to have had various forms of contact experiences with non-human intelligent beings associated with or without, uh, an unidentified aerial phenomenon. Our research methodology utilizes two comprehensive quantitative surveys, totally 554 questions administered in subjects with reported non hypnotic memory recall of their experience. Yeah. So, they didn't have hypnosis, they, they were like lucid individuals reporting something physically that happened to them, you know, or their mind going somewhere, uh, outlandish, right? In a near death experience, many people state that they've seen a non-human entity, you know, when they get to a different realm. They have like religious overtones or undertones to those, those experiences as near death people, a lot of them, they explain them in religious ways. Yeah. Um, and some people have done, uh, salvia where they've, uh, done, uh, what do you call it? What are Rick Strouseman tests with the spirit of DMT? DMT. DMT. And they've seen grace. Yeah. Like, why is that a calm and occurrence when people do DMT? Right. Right. Is there something that does exist here in our plane of reality that we just can't see? We can't see. Yes. You know, because the human perception is limited, both, you know, electromagnetically and visually, right. Uh, the human eye can only see to the, to, uh, the red spectrum and to the far purple spectrum in color beyond that. You've got ultraviolet and you've got infrared. And then all these other radio waves that we can't detect or see, but NASA and all these other, uh, agencies and stuff are able to peer into that world using technology. Yeah. Whether that's Ford looking infrared, video camera, uh, tech or, um, ultraviolet, video tech, like, uh, in secret space UFOs and, in the fast walkers documentary that I created, um, we look at NASA proclaiming when they're on STS space shuttle missions that we are now using our glow camera, which is a, our new experimental, um, ultraviolet vision camera in space. And the reason why they were using that is to see stuff that we can't see normally. And also because like, when you're looking at, uh, porthole or into space, everything is black, you, the earth has blue, right? And, and some color coming off of it. But, you know, there's extreme saturation. You can't really pick out things, right? And, and where objects are, right? Because it's so vast once you look away from earth, the, um, ultraviolet camera is able to see stuff that's close up far away miles away, you know, stars that are sitting there and then objects that are moving in between. Mm-hmm. And in that dock, we looked at all these UFO cases, like, uh, you know, even STS 29, you hear, um, astronaut John E. Blaha claim on a NASA downlink feed, which is like a public, um, television radio, um, feed that people are listening to NASA. We now have an alien spacecraft under observance. So that happened, they said that. Johnny Blaha said that, he claimed he never said that post mission, um, and when NASA was asked about it, they said, oh, no, that was not our astronaut. Um, we don't know what that was, but it was on their feed, it was recorded on their feed, and we know Johnny Blaha's voice to sound just like that. What was he, what was his, what was he doing? Johnny Blaha, what was his specific, like, title or like his, he was an astronaut. He was an astronaut. He was in space at the time on STS mission 29. Um, so, you know, the space shuttle missions were, we had space shuttle, that was discovery, I think. And we had Columbus, that burned up, that blew up in the atmosphere. We had Endeavor, um, we had Atlantis, um, and we had the Challenger, which also blew up. Yeah. Um, so there was all of these space shuttle missions that were also used to deploy new scientific technology into space and test out things in that environment. But to build the International Space Station, they would send up parts in those bays that are in the shuttle, they'd open them up, and a big piece would come out and they would connect that to the ISS. Um, but yeah, there was all of these UFO cases that happened, um, you know, STS 80 is like a huge UFO video that people have litigated over the years where you see these objects that It looked almost like a donut near to the camera. that fly into view down below over the Earth's atmosphere and they literally create a big circle formation together. - Is this sound? - Yeah, I think I found the sound bite. - Oh, you did? - Yeah, of course, let's hear it. Turn the astronaut, put the headphones on. - Astronaut. - Is this the sound we still have the alien spacecraft under our camera? - The astonishing admission of a UFO in close-- - Yeah, so that's like an early case, STS-29, but STS-80. There was a huge, like, UFO formation in this ultraviolet light spectrum camera footage that I was talking about earlier. STS-115, those astronauts, there's a really cool case that we show in my doc, which I think you have the link. It's a YouTube link. You can just pull it up if you want. But these astronauts literally track a triangular formation UFO going over all these different windows of the spacecraft of the shuttle. And they're reporting it back to Houston. They were really curious about it. And this is, like, on live public, you know, being aired. Yeah, so we kind of, like, cover a whole bunch of these different cases that happened during the space shuttle era that point to something anomalous, that even NASA's picking up. But every time they've been questioned about it, they say, oh, it was space ice. It was debris, that was nothing burger, you know what I mean? So I do wonder if NASA knows a great deal about UFO activity outside our planet and on our planet that they're not honest a bit, you know, that even their astronauts are proclaim, like, back during the Gemini missions, Frank Borman saw something, he called a bogey during Gemini 7, James McDivitt tracked a UFO and recorded it during Gemini 4. The list goes on. There's a guy named Leroy Chow, who was on the STS missions in the 2000s, he saw a triangle object go right over him when he was doing a space walk. You know, outside in naked space. So it's like so many of these astronauts claim to have seen stuff then kind of redact or like change their story a little bit. I spoke to John James Fox about his encounter with Buzz Aldrin. Oh yeah. So Buzz Aldrin during the Apollo 11 mission, he and Neil, they were all like on the way to the moon. They're in cis lunar space. And they saw a bright object kind of keeping pace with their craft off in the distance. Right. People speculate that it followed them to the moon. And there's a guy named Ken Johnston Jr., who worked for NASA. And he said that he saw negatives and unpublished recordings of the astronauts talking about an alien spacecraft being on the other side of a crater when they were on the lunar surface. I remember that. That's kind of a hard one to prove. But you know, this is another guy from NASA that's kind of like a whistleblower. It wasn't Neil Armstrong also doing a bunch of weird stuff after that. Like he went to go explore those taos caves. And like he became very interested in what was the story with the taos caves? I don't remember. Yeah, I'm not actually 100% sure on that story. Is that like the gold tablets or the some kind of something like that? Like ancient library of information that seemed kind of like out of place in time. Yeah, but the thing with him and regarding James Fox, when I interviewed him, I basically begged him over like the course of a year to meet up with me because I was making this doc who buzz Aldrin James. I met up with him in LA and he told me how when Buzz Aldrin first came public and was talking about, so he changed his story. He started saying and I think the 70s and 80s. Yeah, like we did see a UFO on the way to the moon. And then later on, he didn't want to talk about it. But before that, James contacted him. He was touring a book in Europe. He was in Monte Carlo at the time, which is extremely expensive, you know, fancy area in Europe. And he agreed to meet James Fox for an interview about this UFO story. And when James flew over there with a crew, was staying in Monte Carlo, which, you know, hotels, just because he said he was going to meet him, right? Yeah. Um, he goes to the hotel, the day of and apparently this sort of like evasive, evasive game was going on for a while, like he arrived there. And when they were supposed to do a recording, Buzz kept postponing it, not today, not today, tomorrow, maybe in the next day. And finally, the day that he said, yeah, okay, I'll meet you like in the late morning, he goes to Buzz's hotel and Buzz called down to reception. And the French receptionist said like, Monsieur Fox, Buzz is on the phone for you. And he took the telephone and Buzz just said, I'm canceling the interview. I don't want to do this. People are going to think I'm crazy. I'm trying to get money for a civilian space project, you know, kind of like Virgin Galactic back then. And I don't want this getting in the way of that. So I'm canceling the interview. And he was, you know, begging him, like, come on, man, like you're an authority on this subject, if you verify that that actually happened to you on the way to Moon, people will take this seriously. And you will close are considered, you know, not real to a lot of people in the public. And he said, you know, I'm just not willing to risk that. So we canceled the interview. And I think that's like a perfect example of secret space activity, you know, like stuff happening in our space history that's conventional space history that also has anomalous phenomenon that's associated with that. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, so many, there's so many like compelling angles to to this that I think about all the time. And you know, one of the things that I think about when it comes to stuff that you're explaining that like doesn't make any sense, like, like, how the fuck could there be these triangle crafts that are out there hanging out, loitering between earth and the moon, right? Which is like, that's right in our vicinity, like, something's hanging out there, whether it's also whether it's something else we don't understand. And like one of the things I was go to is like, is it possible that the same way we exist here on in this timeline on a podcast, you just flew here from, you know, fucking Canada yesterday. And this is going to be seen by like hundreds of thousands of people on the internet. Well, you know, there's lots of technology that we're using. At the same time, there's naked people running around in the jungle. So if you leap from the naked people to us, could is it possible that there's another leap from us to something just equally as more advanced as us that we don't really, we aren't really aware of at a high level that's operating here that who knows, maybe it's maybe they're exactly the same thing as us. They're just, I don't know, remnants from some ancient civilization that have made it and, in fact, figured out a way to be undetectable. That's the whole break away civilization sort of theory, right? That there's ultra terrestrials. There are humans that are so far advanced from us, but they broke, they broke off and they kind of developed at a higher rate separate from our society, right? And, you know, Michael P. Masters and, and some other Harvard scientists published that paper not too long ago, but the sort of crypto terrestrial, ultra ultra terrestrial theory, right? And that also leaves room for Do we develop time travel? Do we develop sort of cybernetic capabilities for a certain group of humans here on Earth that are flying around you will pose as well? Right. And they're convincing experiencers I'm a Nordic, you know what I mean? Right, right, right, because they don't want to out that they're actually us, but way more advanced. And wouldn't that also square with the correlation between UFOs, shutting down nukes and stuff like that? Yeah, they don't want to just they don't want us to destroy the Earth, right? Right, like because they are us and they're trying to like stop a cataclysm event taking place and destroying this amazing planet we live on. So it's like it all makes sense. Like if if chimps all of a sudden got their hands on machine guns, like we would intervene. Yeah, you're like, okay, they're going to shoot themselves right in their chimp area. But yeah, I don't know, it's like it's all speculation, but I kind of come back to theories like that because it's not too far-fetched, right? And the whole evolution angle that Michael Masters explains is brilliant, I think, because the way he says that, you know, if it was an extraterrestrial that evolved on a different planet with different oxygen, different atmosphere, different radiation levels, different gravity, he's like there's almost impossibility that they would evolve to be, you know, bipedal hominids with the eyes directly in front of their face, like, yeah, it would most likely be because most of the habitable worlds that we're aware of are water worlds. Right, yeah, that's true. So they wouldn't they would not likely look like human beings. Well, I mean, that's an interesting aspect of that theory, but also like the Drake equation, which was created by Sir Francis Drake, states that in our galaxy alone, there has to be like, I think, 11 million habitable planets that are in the Goldilocks zone, which is like Earth that are rocky, that also have an atmosphere with a sun like ours, which is, yeah, liquid water. So not like water worlds, these are like Earth in which life could evolve. And then beyond that, you know, have they evolved, created technology, survived past their destructive phase, and been able to traverse the galaxy, you know, become interstellar. So, you know, scientifically, it's right there that it's possible. So I'm like open to the extra terrestrial visitation theory, right? I just think that it's not the wui version that we all hear about, like in the UFO community, because I think what's happening is people that people are so keen to know the answer to this question, right? Like you want to know the truth, I want to know, there's people with greater minds than us that are trying to figure it out too. And there are people that see that opportunity and want to exploit it. They want to say, I know the truth. Exactly. Forget about like the question. The answer is me, follow me, and that's where you get people like Corey Good, like Ursula, and the list goes on that basically claim they know everything that's going on. And actually, you know, something that's interesting that's going on right now that I thought we could bring out, because we were talking about like, why are the Americans not deploying like triangle UFOs on Iran? There's actually this crazy UFO video that's out right now of a triangle UFO over Iran. I think I saw Alex Jones post this. A whole bunch of people are talking about this. Find this on X, Steve. But apparently there was a statement today. You can find out Alex Jones's X, or if you could just search it on X. You could just search triangle UFO Iran. Yeah. And it'll come. You'll have a million sources for it, I think. So at first glance to me, that looks like a glare. It looks like an object that's being recorded on a window. And that structure and light. No, that's not it. No, it's popping up a lot. Is that it? This is the same thing. Is that just? No, no, this is April. It's funny. Those were all the same. There. That's it. This is Alex Jones. Yeah. Trump has released, okay. Alex says, for a fact, has, oh no, he's asking a question. I'm sorry. Has Trump released secret weapons technology against Iran to intimidate them, to run panics as giant crafts float silently over the city? Alex Jones reveals what's really going on with this potentially massive project blue meme roll out. Yeah. So this is the footage from Iran right here. Right here. So this is a triangle. Well, I mean, it kind of goes like a half moon. Right. I don't know. So it's moving very slow. People are claiming that that is a glare that's actually being recorded on a window from within, you know, either an apartment or a car and that glowing object. Because what you can do, right? Yeah. To create an optical illusion, you can, I can aim a camera this way. I can create something moving pretty fast though. Yeah, but there's the thing is that there's multiple videos of a triangle over Iran that are being released. And then yes, I read before I came in here that an administration claimed that those are real. So who claimed they were real? I think that Trump's administration claims that these are legit. Can you find this? Yeah. So can you find, can you find a Trump is saying that this is that Trump talking about Iran UFO? Or something. Some statement, maybe not Trump, but his administration has made a statement. Or just go back to just say, just say Trump administration, Iran, UFO legit. Legit is what I read in some headline. Yeah, legit is the kind of like major thing. But we were just talking about triangles possibly being created by the American industrial military complex, military industrial complex in the past that could eventually be deployed on places like Iran. Why are they not deploying it? Because I can't put a gun on it, but they don't need to if they can scare the shit out of you. But what if what if some of this shit that's coming out right now is literally literally the Trump administration posturing that tech? I don't know. I don't know. Can you close out of this window? Steve, this is with this video. And then click on the comments. I want to see the comments on this video. Maybe they asked like to add some. Usually, usually, no, no, that's you clicked on post a comment. Yeah, just click right there. No, no, click in the black area to the left right there. Yeah, there you go. Scroll down. Scroll down. There you go. Keep going. See if there's any like grok. John Hutchinson. Okay. Okay. Can you go in the search bar to the top right? Type in Iran, UFO legit legit. Okay. Congress. Timbershot says the Iran UFO is legit. He said that. Oh, look. Okay. Click on this little this little video clip. Many, many Johnson. Yeah. Okay. Let's listen to this video clip. Is this a sort of many youngsters? They're not some somewhere from well, they're always V.C.A. I always have the have a hard time. Blit wonder why something would travel light years and have to have our have to have lights on it in the first, you know, in the first place, if in fact they're traveling light years, if they're not in some somewhere from this world, which I look at the amount of tabs. I don't know. We're seeing more and more of this stuff because because of social media. But I can't imagine some hoaxker in Iran with everything going on. He's doing something like this. So I just don't know. That's the question. He didn't say it was legit. Is it Trump messing with them? It could be. It could be it could be a sigh out for them wondering what in the world is going on that sort of like what Reagan did to the Russians when he said, you know, it's Star Wars because we didn't have it. But they just they they they flipped out and they threw down all their dollars and the earth or whatever they used dropped them or whatever they used. And they and we bankrupted them right then. And that's what ended up causing the cold war to end. And we found the original post here. We found the guy. He shows up. He's legit. There's not a community note on this. Right. I agree. What does this guy say? Something up there. It's just what is it? And I just I just wish we said he filmed it rewind a little bit. Steve's going to pause on that guy's tweet. There's a guy. He's he shows up. He's paused. September 20th 7 30 PM. Go go back. I filmed right there. There you go. known celestial objects. I really don't know what it is, but it was near the clouds, had special lights and was hovering in the space without any sound. Wow. Yeah, but there's apparently multiple videos that are coming out of Tehran showing this. And I don't know. It might lend credibility to our conversation earlier that there is stuff within the American arsenal that is sitting there, being waiting to be used for whatever this is. Is it a siop? I don't know. Go back, Steve. Let's see what else we can find other than this Tim guy talking to Benny Johnson. But interestingly enough, actually was back in 1976 in September actually of 1976. That's got to be fake right there. It's got to be. Yeah. Yeah. That's the same video. Keep scrolling. Yeah. So September of 1976, there was actually a Tehran UFO incident that involved two F4 fighter jets being scrambled to intercept a UFO that emitted another UFO. But your boy, that's my boy, unredacted, yeah. Yeah. So sorry to Tehran 1976 in Tehran during the nighttime of 1976. I believe it was September also. So it's weird that this is happening again. This was back when Iran was actually friendly with the United States before the Ayatollah and the sort of Islamic regime took over. There was a UFO that lit up the sky over the city. Thousands of people saw this. The Air Force scrambled two F4 fighter jets. This is super well documented. And Brigadier General Yusuf who at the time was flying one of them flew within a bit of two mile radius of this thing. All of his instrumentation shut down. He couldn't even pull the ejection seat. He couldn't fire his weapons on this thing. That's what he was meant to do. Because it was in restricted airspace and they were like, what the hell is this? And you know, air traffic controllers came forward. There was an old television show called "Sightings" which I included really small clips in my documentary "Secret Space" UFOs Fast Walkers. And you know, James Fox even covered this case. This is like a real UFO case where thousands of people witnessed this. When this UFO emitted a tinier UFO, it landed on a mountain. Tehran is surrounded by mountains. And the whole city blacked out like the electricity shut down. Wow. Yeah. And the American Air Force flew over there that week to be debriefed on what happened from the Iranian Air Force. Because they were like, this wasn't us. Who was this? There's a guy named Ron Regaire who worked for the company that was managing the defense satellite program in the '70s and the '80s and '90s for the DOD. The DSP satellite system was created to look back at Earth and monitor for missile launches and stuff from like China, Russia, whatever. It's the middle of the Cold War. And the DSP system picked up an object coming from deep space that night and going to Tehran. Whoa. Yeah. I featured it. I think there's a clip for that. You can pull it up. So real quick. Yeah. Let's definitely go to that. But what is this saying right here? This is saying that the same bow-shaped light object has been seen all over the world. And just as I said, Iran and Argentina from 2010 to 2017, there's five different videos of that same light pattern. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, obviously there's been tons of triangular sort of formation objects that have been seen even the Phoenix lights, right? Which was a massive -- Like a boomerang? Yeah. But that thing was supposed to be like a mile long. It went over Arizona and Nevada and blocked out the stars or some people said that they could see the stars through it. But I talked to Michael Shrad about that case and he said he talked to pilots that flew out to intercept it that night and it was massive and it spooked the crap out of them. And that case was really well documented again by James Fox, thousands of witnesses, right? 1996. I think that happened. Hovering silently the size of a football field. Like how do you even do that? We had a guy on here, a psychic spy, David Moorehouse, who was showing us real photos of giant balloons that exact shape of those Phoenix lights. Jeremy Reese has talked about this with me, too. It could be a high altitude balloon, right? But the thing is with those, those are operating at almost that apogee, which is between space and our atmosphere, right? They're not hovering right over the mountains of Phoenix, Arizona. Okay. Well, maybe we were just launching them into the atmosphere then. Maybe they left some secret base or something and then we launched them and that was like their trajectory to outer space. I think like it's possible that people can misidentify. Yeah, but that, that, look at the shape of that. That's like a narrow triangle. Yeah, they might, I mean, but it's so close, right? Look at that. Look at that. That's that, that's, I mean, maybe who knows? The thing is, that's not a football field size, but it is, I get what he's trying to say with that theory. There, there's definitely a possibility that some of the stuff people have seen is, is that and they misidentify it for sure, right? But that night, I don't think the Phoenix lights was that in my opinion, right? I think it would have been, and why would you? That doesn't even have lights on it. Like that one does not. The Phoenix lights, if you go to the original footage of that, Chris, it's Matt, like it's Steve, Steve, sorry, buddy. It's like literally covering the whole horizon line of. Yeah, that's a lot bigger. Yeah, that's pretty big. I mean, at least from this video, it looks bigger. It's really hard to tell because it's so, yeah, once you see all the lights going across, it, it, it's pretty big. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot bigger than those balloons. Did you find the thing in his documentary where he's talking about that, to Ron? Oh, yeah, you can even, yeah, no, I'm trying to find which link you're referring to. It should be the first link, actually, Secret Space UFOs, fast walkers. Fast walkers, okay. Yeah. So I heard that fast walkers could also be underwater. No, that's fast movers. Fast walkers. So the Navy supposedly has their own secret program that catalogues a USO activity as a fast mover because so Navy Submariner's, what are the major staff that's on the bridge of a submarine is called a, we've got like the EXO who's managing things and you've got a sonar guy who's basically listening to everything and monitoring the traffic around. So they know biologics down there, they know the enemy arsenal, they know what another submarine would sound like, but they're pings and so on so forth. You know, they're looking for ocean mountains. So they don't collide. All that type of stuff actually went into a mountain once they did. Yeah, I think it was the USS San Francisco. But essentially, there have been cases, Mark DeAntonio, a friend of mine gave me his testimony. I think it was in the 90s. He wouldn't tell me exactly, but I'm, you know, trying to figure out to code these things. He was invited to take a ride on a submarine at the time. And he saw a sonar operator freak out at something that was moving above 300 knots, which we don't have there. anything known, you know, public in the oceans that moves underwater faster than, let's say, 40 to 50 knots, that's a submarine size, right? Because you just have a large object, an ocean, like ocean water in front of it, and that is creating greater friction than the atmosphere, right? So you have ocean drag and you got personnel, like if you hit something, also it's gonna be way worse for the personnel on board if you're going over 40 or 50 knots, that's like the top limit of what we know. - The top speed of nuclear submarines today, do you know? - 40 to 50 knots. - Really? - Yeah, unless they create some kind of device that, I mean, like torpedoes could go much farther faster than that because they created super cavitation, how much, how fast is a torpedo go? - Think about 170 miles per hour, something like that. - Okay. - Which in knots is, I'm not quite sure how many knots that is, but, you know, the Russians have super cavitation on their torpedoes, we do, many, I'm sure the brids do. - 45 to 60 knots, and they said this thing was going 300 knots past the submarine. - Well, the salsa says with specialized rocket-powered cavitation, they can go up to 200 knots. - Oh, could have been a missile, a missile. - Well, I don't think it was because they were just in friendly waters, you know, doing a normal, you know. - That's the only other plausible explanation. I mean, that's the only rational thing. - They did randomly a torpedo from an unknown submarine. I mean, it's not, I think what the point of that story is that there are things that are operating in our oceans, just like you will pose in the sky, can, that are moving at speeds well beyond any technology that we have. - I'm so frustrated that we haven't had, you know, we have all these whistleblowers, but we don't have any of the submarine guys talking. I think that I'm imagining there's been so much shit that they've seen down there. - Yeah, and they're like, my friend Rob Jones, who's the producer for Ross Coldheart's news nation. He's a Navy Submariner, and they swear a note. They can't talk about the stuff that they did or saw when they were on a submarine. Those are super classified missions, right? And I think-- - Yeah, Gerb was telling me that the Office of Naval Intelligence is like the closest thing to the UFO. Like they are the ones that are close, like the most closely tied and connected to this whole thing. - Yeah. People have speculated that the Navy has been the tip of the iceberg in terms of NASA space secrets as well, because, you know, formally during the Gemini, the Apollo and a lot of the STS missions, the pilots that were picked for that, like the astronauts all came from the Navy. Oh, he's playing videos. - Oh, you're playing videos. - He's playing the scene. I hear in the headphones. - Yeah, yeah. So it was covered by CNN and all that stuff. He's playing some of that. But yeah, essentially, there's a use if-- - We'll leave this cute stuff. We'll finish what we're saying, but we'll keep a pen in this. We can come back to this. - Or Jafarri, Parviz Jafarri, my bad. So the, what was I saying? - You were talking about the Office of Naval Intelligence and how close they're tied to the UFO program. - Oh, yeah, so like many of the astronauts that were picked were Navy guys, right? Aside for three astronauts, like Frank Borman was an Air Force guy. The Air Force were not the guys that got to go fly in space. The Navy guys were. Yeah. And I think that like also kind of blends. It allows conspiracy about the Navy having this solar award and submarine program in space theory to have legs. Because there's a reality that the Navy is definitely part of this UFO, USO space UFO cover up. Yeah, there's just no proof that we have solar award in or dark fleet or any of these things that came out of like super wound land. - There's also people that think that we have like undersea bases that like these submarines can like pull into without surfacing. - Yeah, sure, I mean, I spoke to Richard Souter who he wrote three different books. I think one of his books is actually called Hidden in Plain Site. It goes by the same title as Ross Colt Hart's book. And he talks about under mountain underground, deep underground military bases that would have been built all around the world by the Americans and even the Brits. The Brits had the UK contracted illustration artists and stuff to create deep underwater military bases in the 1960s where they would park their submarines and stuff like that. - It seemed like a very logical thing to do. - Yeah, so, and that was the 60s. I doubt that they haven't utilized that strategy to some point. And again, with the USO question and the fast movers. - You're hidden from satellites, like, imagine all the advantages. - Yeah, unless the satellites using some kind of. - X-ray. - Yeah, like using a technology to see through the ocean. - Well, and that's the thing too. Like, I don't think Chris Melon likes me that much because I ran into him at a, what's it called the, this conference that happens every year, that's like scientific coalition SCU. I went to the Toronto SCU conference and I introduced myself and he immediately knew who I was. - Oh wow. - I think it's because when Jason Sands first came out, I think Chris Melon was the guy that was pushing James and all these people to put Jason Sands in the program. So when I introduced myself, he was just like giving me the dead fish, handshake and stuff. But, you know, Chris Melon has gone public and said there's a mountain of UFO satellite 4K imagery, both video and picture evidence of these craft operating around our planet. I believe that. - I believe that too. - Like, I think that the NRO, the National Geospatial Agency, NASA, the Department of War, formerly DOD, all of these like different space-based United States Space Command, now Space Force, they would have tons of that stuff. They know what's going and going to and from our atmosphere. I would love to see some of that stuff, you know? Why is, if the tranches are releasing information that show all kinds of UFO activity, most of it's been like, fleer camera, right? I don't know if you've looked at any of the previous tranches, but like Tranche 2, Tranche 3, they showed really cool like what you would consider or were disc-shaped looking craft, flying. Like, there's the instant tiniest acceleration video from 2022 over Syria, or was it 2021? That one's really interesting. You see this disc in fleer for about 20 seconds, somebody's isolated it, and then it just shoots off, right? That's anomalous to me. There's another really cool like gun camera footage of an object that looks round, that's going underneath, over top of the clouds, underneath this aircraft, and then underneath it and shoots off. I posted that on my Instagram and stuff, but they're showing fleer stuff, but why don't they release stuff that Chris Melon's talking about that's from space, you know? That's 4K quality. - Has anyone ever asked him that? - Well, no one knows who's in charge of these Tranche releases, right? Like who are the people that are-- - Same people who are in charge of dropping the Epstein files. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, how do we trust their ability to scrutinize footage properly? As I said, there's stuff in the Tranche's that literally looks like total BS. And then there's other stuff that looks real. So-- - I think her-- Mr. Metzker was right that the whole point of the Artemis missions was for them to take the Epstein, the real Epstein files to the moon and put them on the dark side. That's, I like that, I like that. All right, let's listen to this. This is from your documentary talking about this Iran UFO encounter, yeah. Mr. Clayson Washington and the cast of characters was almost strangely, well, conventional. One of the believers, this retired Iranian Air Force pilot said he saw a UFO off line. It looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter. General Parviz Jafar, he says he tried to fire a missile, but much of his plane became an operative. All the instrument was fluctuating, the radio had garbled even, I couldn't have a communication, my pilot in my back seat, so you're operating the radio. None of your equipment worked, your missiles didn't work. Do you think it's because this was an alien from all over the world? You sure that? Yeah, I'm sure. At about 11 p.m. on the evening of 18th September 1976, citizens were frightened by circling up an unknown object over Tehran, the capital city of Iran, at a low altitude, looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter. In 1976, a massive UFO sighting took place in Iran. This UFO sighting was also picked up by the DSP satellite system as a fast walker. All of a sudden, I see this flying object, just going round and round and round and going up and up and up, and I told my mom, I said, "Mom, I just saw a flying saucer, I saw a UFO." I was going to prepare myself to shoot it down. This UFO event was witnessed by hundreds of people in the night sky. civilians, pilots, generals and the unairing eye of the Iranian Air Force radar operators. When I saw this object flying that fast, then I thought this is not a helicopter and this is not an aircraft. By that time, I said, "Oh, should be some kind of UFO." Well, I picked up the phone and it was a base commander. He wanted me to know they are going to have the airplanes to take off from his base for the scramble mission. He alerted the Air Force Command Force and Deputy General Yusufi decided to scramble an F4J to investigate. I saw a big star among the other stars, which it was at least twice as large as the normal stars. The pilot in the first jet last instrumentation and communication, when he got too close to the brilliant object, so he headed back. He lost communication and I heard nothing from the pilots, so I was so scared what's going to happen and what happened to the pilot. Suddenly, Major Jaffer nervously reported that a smaller UFO had emerged from the larger object and was trying to engage him. And it was coming toward them. They tried to shoot them down. When they squeezed the trigger, it didn't work and the trigger was inoperative. They couldn't shoot the missiles. Fearing for their lives, the pilot tried to eject but the ejection did not work either. Every system was inoperable. We understood that the ejection instrument also didn't work. So in this case, I said to God, oh God save them. The pilot had no choice but to go into negative G-Force to escape the seemingly hostile UFO encounter. When the fighter jet evaded the smaller UFO by 10 miles, all onboard instruments and communications were restored to their working order. The pilot then reported that the UFO seemed to be landing on a mountaintop just southeast of Tehran. This landing was confirmed by the radar tower and Brigadier General Yusif witnessed it from his balcony with his own eyes. One of the separated objects landed in an open area, radiating a hybrid light in which the sand's underground were visible. He did it down and landed underground. And now it is a communication between the mother ship and that small slime object. Following the smaller UFO landing, the Air Force and many civilians reported power outages which shocked military personnel in awe of these events taking place. That was strange for us and we asked each other why the power went out for some seconds. A top secret meeting between Imperial Iranian Air Force and the United States Air Force took place soon after this event, whose same peruse and Air Force controller at Maribault Air Force Base was present at this meeting. They hear our report and the reports of the pilot, they concluded that no country is able to have such a technology and all of them believed it should be a strange object from other space. That's freaking nuts. Okay. This is the DSP satellite system. What's the story of the satellite system? Well, it's muted but yeah, so I'll look, Bob McGuire. Yeah. I interviewed him before he blew up. Yeah, I made that dog pack in 2020, two years I started shooting it in 2020 and I released it in 2023. But yeah, basically I'm going through chronologically since the early 1970s, right through to the 2000s, all these space-based UFO encounters, like I said, the STS missions and stuff. But that was a case that coincided with readings, unknown sort of fast walker space-based readings that came from the Defense Satellite program. And that was leaked by a guy named Ronald Brigare that worked for the company that was like monitoring all the DSP activity. Private company. Yeah. I think it was called AeroJet. I can't remember. Okay. There's so much shit moving around in my brain but there are California-based company that he worked for and yeah, like when that encounter happened over Iran in 1976, September, which is the same month that this thing happened just happened in 2006, but in 2026, the DSP program reported an object coming from deep space and entering the Earth's atmosphere over Tehran. And why would they let that come public though? It was leaked by Ron Brigare. It was not, because it came from a third-party company, which I'm just going to call AeroJet right now because I can't remember. By somebody who worked for AeroJet Rock and Dine. Yeah. Okay. I think so, yeah. Because it was leaked like, and it wasn't from the government themselves, you know, like Blue Alzondo or David Rush, then they didn't really have much scrutiny over it. It was just like a private company's data that went public regarding a UFO incident. Yeah. So, yeah, crazy stuff, dude. That is freaking crazy, man. Yeah. But also, they could just do that shit with lasers as well, right? You mean project bluebie? Yeah. I think. Like the, I don't know, I mean, we've done that stuff according to TD Barnes, like he was doing that stuff at Area 51 and, you know, there's been like declassified stuff that, for example, that plan that they had to project a 3D version of Jesus Christ over Havana to tell the people of Cuba to revolt against the government didn't happen. Didn't happen. But like, they had, they must have had the technology if that was a plan for them to do. I'm sure they, I'm sure they do have some sort of technology like that. So, what people don't realize, and they can look this up, that whole like project bluebeam thing that was a major speaking point for Stephen Greer for many, many years, like over a decade, the fake alien invasion that was coming via laser, you know, cloud projection show. Yes. That started from a Quebec quag, French Canadian guy named Serge Monast. You can look this up. He was the guy that said that they were going to fake a second coming of Jesus with project bluebeam. And that would be after the alien, the fake alien invasion battle that happened. Serge Monast was like insane. So that's not real, the fake alien, or the fake laser Jesus. Yeah, it's not real. Type that in. I thought we'd backcheck that before. Serge Monast created that conspiracy theory. It's completely unproven. I mean, this is just what the Google says. You're asking you about bluebeam. Yeah, that's project bluebeam. that's blue beam conspiracy theory did not originate did did not did originate from Canadian investigative journalist and conspiracy theorist surge monast okay now ask it uh where did the okay the Jesus projection over Havana that story come from I think somebody co-opted surge monast story and that was Stephen Greer one of them the Jesus projection over Havana story originated from a declassified U.S. Cold War documents detailing a bizarre psychological warfare proposed to fake a second coming of Christ to overthrow Fidel Castro so declassified U.S. Cold War documents really origins of the proposal operation mongeuse Air Force Brigadier general Edward Edward Lansdale and other U.S. planners developed extremist centric schemes under the anti-castor Cuba project the early 1960s the second coming plan documents revealed a proposal to spread rumors that Fidel Castro was the anti-Christ followed by staging a fake second coming of Christ using a submerged U.S. submarine projecting star shells images and amplified sound off the coast of Cuba to spark popular uprising that's amazing the church committee declassified this that's fucking it's real so so that's a document and that plan possibly existed but this is a perfect example of the Wu crowd in the UFO community taking a document that existed and then echoing that story and saying project blue beam is the plan to recreate an alien invasion with this tech that they had in the 1960s there's no proof that they actually had the tech this just says they wanted to project images they wanted to right yes but did they have the technology to do that right like that's the the whole other part of this scenario sure and why haven't we seen it play out right um since since the 1960s so yeah I mean read up a boat surged monast and and what his version of that and then compare that to what Greer and his whole group has been saying forever you know um the fake alien invasion thing is like it's wild there's just there's a um have you heard any Jacobson's story about uh Roswell with the guy who told her the story for the end of her area for two one book yeah and um she she also says that it was a Russian Syah right and that there was like little midget yeah the people put inside of a craft and yeah the story was that it was a craft sent over by Stalin and inside the craft there were um disabled children that were surgically out altered by Mengele the Nazi and it crashed and then um this EG and G engineer who was one of any sources for the book told her that uh that's what it was and he told her that story and she's like why why wouldn't the US keep this a secret why wouldn't they just tell the truth this would make Russians look terrible and he said the reason that we didn't say anything is because uh we were tasked with trying to do the same thing with disabled children in the United States and um okay then so so this is a guy who was like one of the people he was called the trigger man so he was one of like the most important people in the Nevada desert he pulled the trigger on like all these uh nuclear detonation tests okay and super high level EG and G guy he was like a hero amongst his peers in Las Vegas in this community right and so when he told Annie the story the family called her back after she published the book to go visit their home in Nevada so she flew this is all according to her um she flew back to Nevada to meet with the family and there was the wife and the daughters of this man Alfredo Donnell his name was and she sat down in front of Alfredo Donnell and his family and then the wife said Alfred tell us what you told Annie was a lie and then he said it's true and according to him the reason he told Annie was because one of his grandchildren was born with a genetic defect oh no and only lived to like four or five and then died and he thought that was God's way of punishing him for what he did in those child experiments when he was working for EG and G that's insane that that's like well I mean insane if it's true right it's like scary so why my question is why would this guy create that to his own reputation it's reputational super is his name published in the book not in the book but it is now that he's dead okay so but he didn't really he didn't really he was in a non of his source in the book yeah but then he died and and you know so it's not like reputational super because he never had to be because he wasn't public when he said yeah yeah that's a good point that's true what I'll say and then also George nap interviewed him okay and he told George nap it was aliens so he told George nap why why did you tell Annie Jacobson something else and then according to TD Barnes that he said she just kept pestering me for a juicy story right I find the gave it so you already got the it's or man I don't know which one's the right answer I mean this is this is all hearsay from from all parties well okay I'll just say that you know I haven't I can understand why TD Barnes would say that I respect Annie Jacobson I really love like her research into project paper clip and project alos which was like us going over there and seeing the secretive rocket program underground bunkers that they were using and I don't know in Germany in Poland I think the Germans were having Jews like create you know as slaves in doing this like crazy research and Americans through project alos went over previous to the World War ending and had like kind of infiltrated and figured out all this stuff that you know Werner von Braun and his people would have been conducting in the years leading up to the World War ending but that's one source he's obviously contradictory how can you trust him if he tells George nap right the alien story and then tells her this right congenitidal defect and also why would you need an a g in e g and g engineer whose fame who's known for detonating nukes to perform surgery on disabled children yeah it's kind of like he wouldn't use e g and g to do plastic surgery on kids yeah it just seems although we do have evidence that they were that the US did do crazy evil experiments on disabled children with plutonium like that was declassified and who knows where they're kind of fucked up experience we've done kids yeah I'm not discounting that um but you're right science is evil and sometimes has done horrible things right but I would say you know if you look at researchers um what's his name who's done like such a deep dive on it on the uh Roswell crash uh Ryan Wood if you ever spoken of Ryan Wood can you check out Steve if Ryan if I'm getting this right Ryan Wood I think he Ryan Wood Roswell yeah he you know has basically and Stan Friedman is one of these guys too they uncovered like hundreds of witnesses that were part of the uh crash retrieval clean up they were cleaning up the debris in the the desert yeah a nurse at the base that saw the the bodies um you know you've got the day after Roswell from Colonel Jake Corso um yeah so Ryan Wood has done amazing research and it just shows all of the data that that kind of like builds up a case that something really crashed there that was not a weather balloon that was an operation high jump uh that involved multiple bodies that seemed to be non-human in you know look but we're hominin so it comes back to Michael P Masters you know what I mean like why would these crashed aliens look like human awaits right you know um people said you know some of the witness said that they looked kind of human but we're sure and we're you know bald and had big heads and bigger eyes right so that's that also lends to the idea that we were talking about before that maybe we're looking at something that is a breakaway civilization right that is not exactly what you and I are but they're advanced um and they're operating advanced craft that we don't have in our arsenal right um It also makes one wonder if we have, if these space, these like, look at all the fish that live really deep in the ocean, they'll have giant eyeballs. Yeah, but that's the point of giant eyeballs in a really low light environment is to absorb as much light as possible, right? Some of those fish don't even have, like, skin as we would know it, you know, like, don't have, like, scales, they don't have scales, they're just like a gelatinous blob with an eye. So it can see through its own membrane to see other predators and stop swimming around it, right? Right. So if we were, if human beings a million years ago were forced to move under the ocean, they evolved to have those big eyes like that. I think that sort of questioning is a different direction, like, it shouldn't have, I think the ocean would be, if they did have some kind of command and control, some kind of base down there or whatever, it would be to be out of sight and out of sound of the regular terrestrials that are here on the planet on the surface. But you know, this is all hypothetical. I don't know it to be true, but I would state that if they're using advanced technology, how do we know they're not using advanced AI, advanced genetic manipulation and all these things that we would consider fringe science because they're not being used today on a global scale. But they're allowed to conduct rogue science and change their bodies and, you know, modify themselves and do whatever they want because they're not, they're not us. Right. It's interesting, man. I don't fucking know. Anything's possible. Anything is possible. You know, the other connection though, the other interesting thing about Roswell is that that was near nuclear stuff, right? Nuclear base. Well, it's near where the Manhattan Project was being conducted. And it's the correlation with all the UFOs. Right. And the correlation with all of the UFOs and the nuclear connection is just undeniable. Yeah. So why would, you know, and even submarines, most of them that are like nuclear submarines, nuclear submarines. They got warheads and nuclear engines, right? Right. It's like, no, Rayner, maybe that's why they're seeing a lot of UFO activity. I don't know. But I'm going to go to the washroom and then want to talk about NASCA mummies. Yeah. Let's do it. We'll be right back. NASCA mummies. We're back. Are they real? What are NASCA mummies? Yeah. I saw Jesse Michael's documentary. It was very interesting. A lot of videos on the NASCA mummies stuff and a lot of people think it's real. Okay. And then also, okay, I'll just let you go on this. I'll have questions. I'm going to ask you some questions. Yeah. You watched the doc, right? I did. And you thought it was pretty funny. It was a hilarious, very unique documentary. Yeah. It was a, basically, like, a trolling documentary. Yeah. I mean, but backed up with all the evidence, what's happened throughout the story. Yeah. So Jesse, I admire for his showmanship and his ability to fly down to Peru and investigate these things himself. But I reached out to him directly and said, like, hey, dude, like these things are a hoax. And, you know, I've spoken to multiple people that have done the same thing as you. And they've seen the evidence that these things are being built. They're being constructed in Peru for the international, you know, you will foe and, let's say, like ancient history anomalous public, right? Right. Because it's a huge, it's a huge thing now. And I introduced him to Steve Mera in his documentary. I think the only speculative or, like, sort of negative thing that he covered about the NASCA mummies at that time was the J type mummies, which are like the obvious, super small, like bone doll type things, those on the right, yeah. Which look like they're made with Plato and bones, but essentially, he said that, you know, Steve Mera did his investigation too and he didn't cover all of what Steve Mera did. So Steve Mera flew down there and he conducted a full investigation. He heard about the walk arrows, which are the grave robbers. And if somebody wants to watch a really in depth coverage of the sort of grave robbers side of the story, I encourage people to go to William Brown's incredible history. He has a YouTube channel and he and another guy who also does like history and megalithic stuff and all kinds of like sort of anthropological history stuff, documentaries on YouTube and stuff. They did a deep dive on this and they covered it well forensically and they used people that are doctors in the field of X-ray technology and all that stuff to look at the die column images and, you know, deduce from looking at that with a professional background in radio geography or understanding of anatomy, what was going on with these bodies, right? Not the J type, the J top type were obviously like complete constructions that still today Jaime Mauson and that whole Nazca mummy cartel claim our aliens. But Maria, the bigger body, right, which is like a human body that's kind of in a. Is this the pregnant one? No, that's another one of the sort of like more J type size that has eggs in the abdomen. Yeah. So the one that Jesse, I remember Jesse talking about in his documentary was the one that was pregnant. Oh, yes. And it also had three, a three-fingered fetus or something like that, right? Yes, exactly. Which, you know, you can also. That one. Yeah. That's not Maria, but Maria is the same size. So if you look at the hands, for example, see how the hand is turned inwards towards the body. Yes. Three-fingered, larger specimen, like if you, you can also look up Maria, if you want, for example. Nazca mummy's Maria. Yeah. They always turn the hand inwards, right? Because if you look at your hand, your palm has almost an equal size to your fingers, right? What they do with these hands, they cut down through the palm because your fingers kind of extend, see how you can articulate your palm like that. That goes right down to your wrist joint. And what these guys do is they cut off the thumb, they cut off the pinky finger, and they cut down through the palm, right to the wrist, to make the fingers look super alien and long. I think. The three-middle fingers that are left. So that thing has a wrist and three fingers, which anatomically does not make any sense. Right. You have to have a palm. They cut off the palm. They cut through the palm. Yes. Right? So it's fake. And the reason why they turn it inwards is so you don't realize you're not seeing a palm. If you look at like, I think the other ones, the smaller cadavers are called like Joseph or Josephina and something else. They're also a larger humanoid, but they're hands. There's the egg one that's obviously fake, fake, fake, fake, different bones. It's a way to bra. Yeah. It's got like a metal plate that's braced, keeping the thing together, basically. But even those little ones, they keep the hands. Why are the hands never facing outwards is because they don't, they don't want, they want to create the illusion that there's still a palm there. There's no palm. But yeah. So how do they do the one with the pregnant one with the fetus inside? Well, that one right there, the little one, the whole thing is a construction. It's arms. Oh, that one obviously. It's head. They just shoved eggs into the abdomen and covered it up with skin, right? -Right. -Yeah. The one you're talking about with the fetus that also has. three fingers, people hypothesized that they found a fetus within the body, that they're also doctoring up, they cut the little fetuses, fingers off, right, and left the three in the middle. But there's the auto-common mummy. But yeah, essentially the way I got involved with this, I was making some documentaries in interviewing Jaime Mauson back in 2018. And I've covered some good things he's done for the UFO community in terms of like covering UFO phenomenon from Latin America and creating an audience for this subject, taking it seriously. But when I was down there with my then girlfriend, now wife, she's Mexican. So she was speaking Spanish to one of the guys that was in his office at the time waiting for him because I was working with him and this guy was like in a waiting area. His office is at the, his like studio is at the bottom of a shopping mall in Santa Fe, Mexico City. And it's like a big open room with like sort of this round circular sitting area, cow cherry, in the middle, and then all like the IMAX and like journalist and like editor desks and stuff sitting around that. And Jaime had this guy waiting who was a geneticist working within Mexico City that was working with another laboratory that I think was called Genesis Labs in Canada somewhere. And they were investigating the Nascah mummies back then. This is 2018 when I interview them. And my wife was talking to this guy and I walked up to her after he he walked away and I was done with Jaime and this guy is now going to talk with Jaime. And I was like, what was that all about? And she was like, Oh, this guy just told me that those Nascah mummies, they've done genetic tests and they're just coming back as humans, right? They're just people. There's no anomalousness to them. But they used a lab because they don't have like a really sophisticated lab in Mexico at that time that could give them the information they wanted. That was in Canada and they had the report and was reporting this all to Jaime. So I think it was 2019, not soon and after that, Gaia releases unearthing the Nascah mummies. And the Nascah mummies enter the UFO, you know, conspiracy community and take off. It becomes like interestingly enough, I interviewed Jay Widener for the Dark Alliance documentaries. He was the head of production at Gaia TV. So he was responsible for the older gentleman Yeah, great-haired guy who got into a lawsuit with Corey Good and all that stuff. And he said I was single-handedly responsible for building the 20 and back story and the Nascah mummies story for Gaia TV, which are their two most popular programs, right? Anyways, I see all this stuff coming out. I'm like, this is weird. Like they're interviewing people and building this whole story as if the Nascah mummies are not just humans, right? That have been unearthed. They're saying that they're aliens. They found some like unknown, you know, life form that's non-human. That's ancient. I interviewed Jaime about that. Yeah. And that footage you saw in the documentary, he's telling everything about all these stories where he's found other non-human cadavers, right? So I worked with this guy Nick Lorner. He has an Instagram channel. I think it's called like, let me look it up because I want to give him a proper shout out, but he's fucking hilarious. Like he's an editor. He works in the film industry. And he creates like comedy documentaries about Hollywood. It's called his channel is called James.Dripton. And he created this fictional character, James Dripton, who does reviews of like Hollywood scandals and celebrity scandals and stuff that had happened through history. And I approached him and said, look, I've got like this alien Nascah mummies story. And I think we could put this together and make it a really cool comedy that covers the track record of these other non-human found bodies that turn out to be obviously bullshit. But the latest going thing is the Nascah mummies. Would you want to do it? And he was like, hell yeah. So we worked on it for a year. I sent him all this footage that I had from previous interviews with Jaime that I've never released before. And that's how the Dripton files mummy mania came to be. That's hilarious man. The documentary was incredible. It's just like the way that you show those guys like trying to defend their positions is so revealing. You know, it's just like I said earlier, it's just it what happens to people is that that is what happens to people in every subject matter in this world, right? Whether it be like sports commentating or aliens and UFOs, these people find their lane and they just lean into so goddamn hard to where it literally eats up their entire identity. Yeah, well, you know, I was trying to warn you talking about sports identity and a journalist or person that leans really hard into UFO stuff. No, I was going to say seco-act evil. Oh, I don't know who that is. He's a guy that's like part of the night shift group of UFO commentators with Clint. You know, I reached out to him with like very serious concern because he was pushing the Naska mummies as being real anomalous, you know, non-human beings that were found in Peru and all this stuff. And it was, you know, a big thing on X. I was maybe I was a little bit brash, but everything I do is with good intention. At the end of the day, I don't want people to be like taken advantage of and going down a rabbit hole that ends up nowhere and making them delusional, you know, totally. So when I was getting into it with this guy, you know, it was being reflected on me as if I had bad character. And, you know, I was the bad guy for being critical of this scam and this hoax. And, you know, there was a whole kind of like bought army or swarm that was coming at me, attacking me at the same time. And they did the same thing to Julian. They did the same thing to all these scientists that worked with will with the incredible history, documentary. You know, these are people that are professionals in their field of radiography that understand what they're looking at in the die call images. And they're saying, Hey, that hand has a thumb joint. If this being only had three fingers, why is there a thumb joint still there where they've obviously cut off the thumb? And these are for the larger bodies, right? Because those die call images were released by this whole like NASCA mummy cartel. And professionals in their field are reviewing that and being like, Hey, guys, big problem here. It's obviously a fabrication because it's got problem is you don't that doesn't make a big splash in the media when those people do that. That's right. The professionals are ignored. And the people that are being like elevated are the ones that are like boasting the lie. So I made the documentary to try and set the record straight a little bit, but also with a log comedy. It's a parody. And, you know, everything's accurate that we're saying. So it gives the other side of that. And I warned Jesse too. I said, like, dude, I'm going to release this documentary. It's going to be opposed to what you created on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. I think Jesse now, last time I talked to him about the whole mummy thing, he's way more on the side of it was fake than it was real. Really? I think so. Yeah. He should publish that. Yeah, because everybody like his Documentary got I think 8 million and counting maybe 9 million views. Yeah, dude on YouTube. So think of I guess the amount of he's somebody he's making so many documentaries and podcasts like chasing so many stories constantly But it was biased. That was my problem that it was like really verifying that these are Like anomalous Unknown human or like unknown Beings that are being dug out out of the ground like aliens for lack of a better word, but they're not they're human beings sometimes Bone dolls created from multiple different Bones from different specimen dogs llama skulls like all kinds of stuff It's the same guys that are doing that that are also altering human bodies and that's a crime, you know like that's desicrating Somebody's family's Remains, you know what I mean like the we don't have people going into a grave here in North America robbing it cutting the Pinkies and thumbs off and we're allowing them to call those aliens so why can they do that in Peru? In Peru this cartel is getting way with it. What are they getting out of it? By the way money really? Yeah, who Steve Mera he uncovered even with his documentary that the smaller bodies go for anywhere between like 18 to 25,000 on the black market Wow and the large bodies Maria at one point was listed for a million dollars the sell To sell the it wasn't sold. I don't know, but it's the fact that There's a market for it that they keep pushing this right follow the money. Yeah, and And you know Jesse asks Hyman his documentary. Have you invested any money into this and Hyman's like I cannot say anything, you know You know, yeah, I won't say anything that Hyman guy's obviously a kook. It's pretty makes it. It's pretty clear You know, unfortunately like It's to me. It's like Greer. It's like they both start from a place where there's Integrity and honesty genuine curiosity genuine curiosity and they're approaching this subject and Giving speculation and airtime when otherwise mainstream news wouldn't cover this Mm-hmm. I appreciate that right, but then in this late era of their or this this Point in their time in their careers. They're walking around with the bugosphere and pieces of human cadavers and saying These are aliens. Yeah, when they know for a fact that it's not true. Well, I don't even the thing about Hyman is that I think he convinces himself of his own theories, right? He doesn't want to see the other side you even hear in the documentary where he says like Discovery channel thought that this was a monkey Right the thing that was like had its hands It looks like a monkey in the deep fryer. Yeah, yeah, and that was marketed and pushed for years as an alien that was caught by ranchers in Mexico, right? He convinces himself so Deeply of his own conspiracies that he's not willing to see the other argument when the other argument is right there glaring him in his face, right? Yeah, and the bugosphere it's like this guy Mark from Falcon Airspace Mark It'll come to me Mark Sokol, I've heard of that. He's friends with Jeremy Reese. Yes. That's how I heard about him He flew down to one of the bugosphere conferences that Hyman was presenting this yeah, and he said Hi, mate. Can you let us drill in and take a sample of the Bugosphere and he drilled right through with the default You know it's probably made of like aluminum or something cheap like that and he took a look A little camera and like a fiber optic camera and looked around inside you could see the glue holding it together like is this published? Yeah, Mark Sokol and I believe his friend Published it and it became a huge thing everybody was like what that like this is so fake, right? But again, it's not the popular discussion Right, mm-hmm. There's also a video out there of the bugosphere literally Flying through the air being hung by a fishing wire You can you can pull it up. It's like I've seen this. I think it's on Instagram or something and a guy who like a maybe like a Russian guy or something Ukrainian guy. I don't know somewhere like that Did a full video analysis and shows the glare from the sun as the the bugosphere Yeah, you know, it's flying through the air. What do you make of the blood so orbs? You know what I haven't done a full deep dive on that but I have seen some of the controversy like my friend On X was He posted He posted a Clip that Chris bled snow Ryan blood so his son had published Saying that this was a winged orb So it was like a security camera footage of an object flying into view and then off and It obviously had wings. It was a bird but Chris Ryan blood so said this was a perfect example of a winged orb and Yeah, like People they do he does he does conjure these orbs. I've seen it in real life. You have yeah Okay, the video Steve We have it on video. Yeah, I'll give it on my desktop because it's so beautiful So again, I haven't done a deep dive on on them But I know that there are some videos out there that I really need to play. We've played it so much. Yeah, play play it for me Just so I can see it. Yeah, but we can There's not really any sound No, you can hear talking so to set this up This black line is the the horizon of the ocean Hmm, so everything from this point down is water and everything from this point up is sky and you can see some stars and you'll see some planes Flying but this is the cool part you see the planes and the orbs in the same shot Okay, this is right up the beach here. Wait. Is that flashing? That is a that is a plane plane. Oh, okay That's okay. I just came off up the horizon. That's not a plane. Oh, okay She got it Knows move into the right and look the other one top starts moving to the left So the thing is it and it gets brighter it blooms and then fades away Huh, which is not what LEDs do and all the planes out there had LED lights and are you recording this with like a psionic? Yeah, this was not visible to the naked eye, okay, right Steve? Yeah, I mean I could you could see it I couldn't capture it with my camera though his camera wouldn't pick it up, but we'll do the psionic thing Monocular yeah, it's it's like almost clear. So it like enhances light for the sensor, right. Yeah, I mean I'm sure that they Have caught some UFOs on video like I think that it's possible Maybe some of this human intention stuff Like this whole psionics thing is credible. It's possible that people can the jig barber stuff Possible that you can summon something with your mind's eye or your mind's mind thinking, right? Yeah, um I'm not against it It just Something inside me just says like it gets a Little bit culty when people show them like, you know, that's a bird not a wingdorf You know what I mean when that type of footage comes up People can be wrong, you know if if somebody what they're seeing real orbs all the time Yeah, they might confuse everything becomes an orb eventually. Yes, and that's the problem, too, right? but Like I was at contact in the desert this past What was it? June yeah End of May beginning of June the Bloodsows were there There was a lot of satellites in the sky and they were saying that like everything was a UFO That's kind of weird to me. Not to say that they haven't captured so I don't know what the fuck that thing was, they came off the horizon. Yeah, if it's coming from the ocean, have you ever heard of the, uh, to Desco brothers? No. So they operate out of Long Island and they have like an RV camper van that has all of this high-tech camera gear, I think they even have like some form of radar. And they're scientifically and technologically fully equipped and they're looking out into the ocean off of Long Island and they're recording this same sort of footage, objects that are coming kind of like seemingly out of the ocean, um, that, but they're also what they're doing, which is smart. They're monitoring air traffic. So they're seeing, okay, that object that's right there that we can see on the camera that we're recording right now can't be a plane because it's not on the flight map. It's not on like, you know, the app that shows this is what should be there right now. Yeah. So I think you guys might have caught like an authentic UFO, um, maybe the bloodsoes are able to do what they're saying, but not all the time, and, um, that has me skeptical sometimes when I also Chris has made like multiple, um, predictions that didn't come to pass, right? Like, um, an apocalypse that was supposed to happen this past April. We're coming up on October now. Or suppose that's when he pushed the next state and it involves like, um, I think some star formation, aligning with the pyramids, yeah, and then, uh, I think that freaks me out the most is that Tim Taylor guy who was like obsessively visiting him and befriending him. Was that a style? I don't know, but it's fucking weird. Why was he targeting that guy? Why was NASA people and John Alexander and, um, um, uh, semi van, why were they all Diana? They were all magnetic to this guy, Diana Pousalca, yeah, like they can just ignore them and know whatever paid attention to them, but they all attracted to him. And or he got all this attention. Well, or were they all put in touch with each other and all put in touch with him? That's the other question, right? If it was nothing, if he was just seeing something that was nothing, why would they all say, Hey, there's this guy who works construction and this religious dude works construction in fucking North Carolina. Let's all go make this guy a super UFO star. What? I don't know, um, there's, there's two sides to every story. The Benowitz thing, at least he was seeing like real aircraft on an air force base. And they had it, they had a legitimate reason to throw him off the trail, right? With hit with blood. So what is the, what is their incentive? I don't know. Like honestly, my mind is open to possibly he's had these encounters with the lady and, um, you know, he, he's seeing UFOs, he and his family. But the other side of that, you know, when you, when you just dig down a little bit deeper and I know that there's going to be like, there's going to be dirt that people can find on anybody, right? Like everybody's not perfect. But there was like kind of a, yeah, all the czar is a great example of that. There's a builder scam that people have attached to the home builder scam that people have attached to Chris blood. So because he wasn't building houses properly and declared bankruptcy and stuff like that. And then Mufon did a, uh, interview with him. You can find this online actually, um, the Mufon interview kind of, they did a lie detector test with him and he failed that about his own, uh, recollection of his UFO encounter. This was back and I think like 2008 or something like that. So I mean, it's not like he didn't come from nowhere. I think he's been involved in the UFO community for a while. He's just had a resurgence and, and blown up recently and, you know, through Gaia TV. That's the major platform. When was Yang Gaia, um, I think like four years ago. So I had him on my podcasts, do you remember when that was just think it's 23? I thought it was earlier than that. No, it wouldn't earlier than that. Um, yeah, it was like late 23, late 23. Yeah. Okay. Would have been around the same time. And then he ended up going also on the podcast circuit and becoming like a profit for future things to come as well as here's, here's one of the other things that I've like been vocal about on X like out, you know, X is a cesspool for debauchery, uh, degenerate conversations and fighting, um, and I got a couple of words in about a problem that I saw with the blood so activity, um, that was regarding his ability to heal people. Oh, that one's sketchy. Yeah. You start to talk about healing people's cancer. Yeah. That's a territory that you're actually blending with Jesus Christ. I agree with you there. And, uh, one of my friends, um, and the dog too that he healed his dog and you know, that story. I mean, I, I mean, what, what set off alarm bells for me, Grant Cameron has cancer treating it, right? Like sometimes you live with cancer for a long time. I don't wish it on anybody. I hope the people seek medical help, but, um, he had cancer. I was talking with his like friend and, uh, research colleague Nicole Sackage back when this story kind of was being picked up and pushed throughout the UFO community that Chris had sent an orb to heal Grant Cameron's cancer. And, um, beyond belief, yeah. So what is that, oh, that's his book. Yeah. I'm guy. Oh, Gaia. Yeah, Gaia. I've published on 20 August, 28, 2024. Yeah. And when do we do our podcast with him, same with the data, uh, two years ago, yeah, click on that, click on more December 4, 2023. Okay. So you were first. Okay. You're responsible. So, I got a funny story about this after you. Okay. But like, and I met Chris, I think he's a wonderful man. I think he means well, too. But when you start talking about like healing people's fatal illnesses, uh, that's where I'm like, okay, this is getting super sketchy. So he, he was claiming to people that he healed Grant Cameron's cancer. And I talked in a cold sackage, she was like, he's still dealing with it. It has not gone away. It's in his shoulder and actually Grant has not done a ton of media appearance appearances. He's done some and he was just on Jesse Michaels. But uh, Grant Cameron. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. So he's still around. Um, I think he's living with his son in, uh, British Columbia, but you know, the whole healing thing is, is, is a problem. And uh, yeah, it, there are people that will believe that and maybe shell out tons of money. I don't know if that activity is actually happening, but that typically happens when you have, uh, spiritual healer types, yeah, it happens over and over again throughout history, right? Uh, like John the prophet down in Brazil, huge, yeah, dude that said he was, you know, healing everything. Yeah. Cancer, he would like even do operations on people, um, somehow they'd survive it and be like, he healed me, but probably they weren't no better. Um, that could also be mind over matter, which is a consciousness thing. If you convince yourself enough, yes, sometimes I think you can change your own physiology, you can, uh, the same goes both ways, right? If you believe that your life is over and you believe you have something that's going to kill you any, the doctor tells you you're going to be dead in seven days. You could die. That can happen. Yeah. It can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Right. So, um, I think intention is powerful. The mind is like soup is, is so powerful, man. Yeah. So, I, I just, I'm worried of that and, uh, you know, if somebody sees a UFO, that's one story, but when they start saying they're healer and, you know, all these other things and, you know, you go to their night watch and you see a satellite and they're saying, Oh, there they are. There's the, yeah, they're saying hello to us right now, everybody. Thank you, God. Yeah. You know, it's like, come on. It's a satellite. Yeah. So, I'm just wary of that. And I'm not saying that everything about him is untrue. I'd love to speak to him about some of his cases and, you know, gets the bottom of it. - Have you read his book? - I have not. - You should check it out. - You will feel of God. - It's pretty interesting. His story, his life story, and the experiences that he had personally. - Yeah, the Tim Taylor thing. I've heard about that. - That's crazy. - And NASA, you know, comes up again. - He told me on the podcast, I think I edited it out of the podcast, actually. I edited this out of the original podcast. I was just afraid. - What was it? - I was afraid I was gonna get in trouble or something was gonna strike me or something. But it was a story that he told me of Tim Taylor showing him an actual met and black neuralizer that wipes memory. - Okay. I don't think they need that though. I might have the clip saved somewhere on the raw footage, but yeah, that was such a crazy story, and he showed him the blueprints for it. - She published that in the interview. You should just put that clip right as you mentioned it, cut it in and be like, "Yeah, I saw a neuralizer." - Yeah, maybe I will find it and I'll cut it in right here. We'll see. Probably not though. I probably don't have it. - Dude, that would be bombshell. - I don't know if I have it anymore. We'll have to see. - Come on. - We'll have Steve look through the hard drives. - Search the hard drives. - Yeah, Steve looked through the race. - All right. - But I mean like, yeah. I think there's a lot of really big figures in the community that have, you know, some things that don't look too good and some things that look interesting. And it's open to it, right, with the blood cells. I just haven't done a full deep dive in some of that stuff. - There's a lot of stuff, dude. It's too much stuff to navigate. - Yeah. - It's just like have fun with it, you know, handle your part, your little part that you can control and that you have the time to investigate. And then you don't know human being has the time to like go deep on all of these sensational stories that are out there. It's like, yeah. Hopefully there's enough people out there in the community that can put their evidence together and create some sort of a compelling way for us to navigate this fucking maze of bullshit. - Yeah, I think like, there's no hope of a disclosure process that we've all been kind of hoping for. What we're seeing now is like a controlled narrative. So that's kind of disconcerting. What it leads to, who knows, right? Like is David Grush gonna get his way and are they gonna just like say we're not alone and these are the aliens that are out there? I don't know. I'm just gonna have to like watch the story as it evolves and, you know, I'll keep building documentaries. That's all I can do. - That's all I can do. Well thanks for doing this, bro. It's good, fun to help people where they can find out about all of your work, all of your stuff online, your documentaries, all that fun stuff. - Yeah, so a lot of my docs are free on YouTube, YouTube movies like Secret Space UFOs, Puerto Rico's UAPs, Pasco, Google is 73 and a lot of them are on Amazon Prime. So the newest one, the Dript in Files, Mamy Mania, that one's on Amazon Prime Apple TV and Dark Alliance, which we talked about before, it got taken off the original one, which was a two part expose each hour and a half, was on 2B for free, got taken down as you know, but the follow up to that Dark Alliance, the next generation is on 2BTV for free for people to watch and yeah, really appreciate people checking out my work. They wanna follow me on socials, on X, Ado Code Journeys, Instagram, Darcy Weir Films, and yeah, YouTube, Ado Code Journeys. Appreciate you having me on and people can reach out anytime. - My pleasure, dude. Thanks for making the trip. I won't link all your shit below for folks that wanna look it up. - Cool. - All right, good night, everybody. - She's got a breakaway. - She's all alone. - She's going, she's going. - Oh no, wrong goal, kiddo. - It's chaos out there. Their stomachs don't have to be. 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