#431 - Top Freediver: Something Scary Is Happening In the Oceans | Valentine Thomas

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I don't know if you've heard of her, but she she's a well-known DNA expert where she studies different tribes in Indonesia and Australia, and there's this group of people, this nomadic fisherman group, where they live on the water, and all they do is free dive and hunt fish, and they've been doing it for so long that they're actually evolving in real time. She measured, she did all kinds of experiments on them, and measured their splines and looked at their blood and all different kinds of things. One of the things she found is their splines are three times bigger than normal humans. These people, they literally free dive and get in freezing cold water when they're nine months pregnant, and they go super deep. They stay down forever. It's wild to see how these people are literally evolving in real time because they spend so much time under the oceans hunting for fish and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, the splinting is super interesting, actually, and it's, I've actually Googled, "Hi, can I enlarge my spoon?" Really? Keep pulling your breath. Pulling your tongue just up then. All right, we tend to know how to find anything. You can find some splint enlargement doctors. Forget a tits, I won't tell them. I want a splinting mutation. Oh my god, that's hilarious. Oh man, so you used to live in Florida? I used to live in Florida. You lived in St.P. Yes, I'm in Florida all day every day. And you were born here? No, you were born in Canada, right? Canada, British Columbia. British Columbia, right? Yeah. Come back. Oh, go back. Okay, right. And then you moved on here when you were pretty young or. No, I moved to the UK, so I lived in London for seven years. Then I moved to Florida. Okay, okay. And when you got to Florida, is that when you got in the fishing? No, I got into fishing in London. Oh, wow. I made friends with probably the only people in London that spearfished and they just dragged me and they forced me to try it. And I really liked it. And six years later, it became my thing, I guess. What's the ocean like in London? How do you spearfish and out over there? It was bad. I was doing. I mean, it's not that bad. We were doing like the channel islands between the UK and France. So it's not too bad water. It's cold. But you have really big bass so that like sea bass. So it's still kind of interesting. And yeah, it's not. But where I traveled, mostly. Right. First pre-fishing. It was not really a UK thing. I don't like cold water. I hate cold water. Yeah, I hate cold water. No, I'm retired. My seven mil wetsuit is retired. If I need it, I don't want to go. You were telling a story. You went to some crazy like military island or something for one of your first trips, one of your first dive trips. Yes. So it was pretty much like if somebody started running and the first time running is doing an iron man. It's. It was a crazy island and I got there twice actually. And it was just gigantic fish and it was just a very interesting experience. It was really. And you couldn't fly commercial there though. You had to fly on a military plane. Yes, you have to fly on a military plane. They sell a very small amount of tickets for civilians. I guess if you want to go see your family, there's one hotel on the island and that's it. What's the name of the island again? Ascension Island. Ascension. Ascension Island. Okay. Ascension like an ascension. Okay. Is that near. Is that near Easter Island? It's a middle of the Atlantic. It's kind of a middle of nowhere. It's north of Santa Elena. So it's. So you can find a map, Steve. It's divided by the US and the UK. So they share it. So they share it? Probably. Yes, it's an island. There it is. There's a NASA site on that. Yes, they have a NASA thing on the top. It's abandoned. It's super freaky to visit. It was amazing. What was the NASA? It was like an observatory or something? I've heard. Punching on it again, Steve. I've heard it is where they monitor the landing on a moon. Whoa. It's a crazy. Are you serious? Also known for his bird watching. Just called old NASA site. That's called old NASA site. It's like abandoned. It's crabs everywhere. It's like groan, like vines growing everywhere. It's a very weird place. So the top of it is a rainforest. It's kind of constantly in a cloud. Yeah. And then at the bottom of it, it's very deseridic. It's on a level of vegetation. It's a very odd place. Why the hell would they monitor the moon missions from this island? I have zero idea. That is bizarre, dude. Steve, can you find that out? Can you see photos of the NASA thing, maybe? No, dude. Google's street view car is not going out there. I promise you that. The devil's ash pit. But there are some tourism, so maybe somebody posted photos of it. Yes, Steve, do some research on that NASA site. I want to find out more about that. So when you went out there, how did you guys get out to the spots? Did you take boats out? There's one guy who lives there, who I don't think he still lives there, who was taking people with pivoting. No way. Just one guy there. Yeah, they realized in real nowhere. It was gigantic tunas and big wahos. And it was just really despised that overblown after, probably the 10 years after too many people came. That's a wild way to start spearfishing is shooting wahoo and tunas. It was a big trip. Also that I was extremely nervous in the water. So it was my first trip. I was like, all right, let's go drop you off and 200 feet of water at like 50 miles of shore. You weren't kidding. You went to full sprint. You didn't even start walking first. NASA uses the ascension island in the mid-Atlantic ocean because its unique geographic location fills a crucial tracking and surveillance blind spot. The island's position near the equator and its remote dark skies allows specialized telescopes to monitor deep space and track orbital debris that other ground stations miss. So why don't they use it anymore? That's a great question. We're just going to abandon it after the Apollo missions. It closed. Right. I mean, it makes sense. There's a giant ocean in the middle of the way. Yeah, of course. But like all of the biggest telescopes are in different areas. The original Apollo, Air and NASA ground tracking station on ascension on a close in November 1989 long last time ago because it was made obsolete by newer satellite technology. So now they use satellites. Yeah, but still if that's in like the most ideal spot to get images of the sky, why not have an observatory there? Maybe it's a pain in the asterisk ship. Everything to that tiny little island. Yeah, maybe, right? I mean, it's like thousands of miles. Yeah, that's true. The boat isn't going to take a while to get there. That's true. Yeah, I can see how you got hooked on it doing, jumping into crazy remote areas like that into the blue water and shooting. I got scared. I got shit scared. Right. I wouldn't say I was like, why were you scared? You weren't adapted to it yet. That's why you were scared. water. It's something it's yeah you can I this things that scares me that a lot of people wouldn't be scared about it because they used to it but now being surrounded by 20 shrug doesn't scare me because I've done a slow job that I don't care no no but when the tourism started when the spivishing tourism starts picking up shrug started in showing up now Southern people were going there and they were showing photos and videos of them surrounded by hundreds of shrugs I went twice and haven't seen them dance yeah pretty much yeah it's getting crazy it's getting out of control here in Florida crazy it's now you just have spear guys that go out there and the giant bull sharks are there within minutes as soon as they jump in the water and they just go out and shoot those cobi are after back of these giant bull sharks it's insane especially in a shallow water if you see a boat already in the spot there's gonna be sharks for sure have you have you have you ever done that like shooting cobi off of giant bull sharks and tiger sharks like those guys do I've been in two days ago you did really you were shooting off the back of bull sharks eyes I saw this nice cobia and then there was a bull shark next to it then I was like I haven't shot a cubie on a wall I was like zero psycho I don't think I would do that it was my friends were a little bit not too happy because the shark followed us the pregnant ladies chasing the bull sharks the pregnant ladies chasing the bull sharks again get her ass back to the boat but funny enough like all the shark all the spots we were going to about a mile from each other and the cobia was were three big bull sharks and they followed the boat everywhere we went the sharks did yeah so the three same sharks followed us to the next I think three or four spots would their cobi is at least yeah but then they sometimes they turn around and they come back and check you out and they want their fish back you know what do you do that well we got out of water they could they chase that out they chased us out of the water yeah pretty much I gotta show you this video you probably seen this actually I'm gonna see I'm gonna send you this video real quick I'm sure Valentines already seen this video so it's probably not gonna be new to her but this would be great for the viewers to see this is um this is basically what these people are doing right here like these people have no fear and they're obviously not afraid of dying basically what this guy is doing is he's like probably 50 yards away from his boat and he shoots a I forget what kind of fish it was he shot something off the back of a giant tiger shark and then the tiger shark circled around on him he go he goes to the surface and he's screaming to his buddy like bully hey girl yeah that's the closest I've been to getting eaten by a tiger shark was here oh really actually in a temporary yeah oh god knock on what I've never seen a tiger shark around here it's their spots they're very um they live in a spot yeah as a migratory to other so like we say I will let's go to this spot then and we notice is where the tiger shark is which is just being a lookout because there's a tiger shark living isn't there a like a crazy pier in South Florida where there's all these tiger sharks I don't know there's like this there's like these videos these dudes drop go pros underneath this pier somewhere down south near Venice I want to say and there's just dozens and dozens of tiger sharks swarming this pier Venice Florida Venice Florida Venice Florida yeah I can't remember you have to look at the can handle no Venice down south of here I can't find this freaking video I'm so pissed I mean hey you know what they say you know what to figure out if they're shark where you're going here it is I found the video sorry about that Steve I just let you two videos play both of these so where where did you we're exactly where you when you saw a tiger shark I was diving off uh Hudson Hudson yeah a little bit more okay how far offshore not far because I was in about 15 feet of water this is the first video that's the first video okay look at this what's going on here he's yelling at the boat what are these bull sharks yes this is probably on the east coast saying shark shark shark shark shark shark okay go to the second video the second video is that's a tiger no wait that's a bull shark you find the second oh there you go watch this look at this tiger's big fat tiger shoots this kovia all right well what happened okay shoots the kovia he's something help pull the anchor and look the tigers coming back sniffing the kovia he's like he takes the kovia oh no that's nowhere near here that's probably a 15 foot tiger shark why why there's no it's not necessary it's also very shallow water it's not worth the kovia I have a thing yeah now I have a thing with tiger sharks in a shallow water and no no thanks about a year ago I received a text message about an unpaid toll I paid it without even 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make your money work for you visit our link in the description below cash app is a financial services platform not a bank banking services provided by cash apps bank partners visit cash dot app slash legal slash podcast for full of closures how long ago what was it when you saw that tiger shark over here it was probably eight years ago it was very we were just a bunch of friends and we were in 15 feet of water everybody was experienced so everybody was kind of like doing their own thing which was good great was yeah it was fine I shut a little hog fish and I was kind of far from the boat so I clipped it to my gun and then I was like let me just go back to the boat and I'm reloading and then that work and like fish if I see something on the way back and then this baby shark baby tiger shark when I say baby it's like five foot maybe five six foot and then he started just circling me circling me circling me and then he rolls his back you know and start like protecting its membrane and he started charging and charging and charging and charging and I have fish on you I have a fish on my gun okay yeah but I have a 90 so I'm like I'm trying to push it away and I'm trying to aim for like to eyes to gills everything that could possibly hurt and I'm actually I've never shut a shark never no so I was just wondering what what what I shoot it that it was going to hurt enough that he's not wanting to shoot it because then you would no longer have your spear exactly but if he's trying to eat me I'm not winning either so it's a very big it's it's it's a tough game to play yeah because it's like it's what point do you try to kill it if he's trying to I know a lot of people are thinking oh but you're in the shark's habitat doesn't mean I'm gonna let a tiger shark eat me right I just not happening right and people that say that I'm sorry but if your mom is swimming on a beach and a tiger shark comes your reaction is not gonna be like well I guess it's fair enough because she's just swimming in a shark's habitat no you won't you're gonna be like oh my gun fuck this shark like my mom needs to survive right 100% anyways yeah little side-track um yeah but yeah and then my friend arrived and then by the time we were two just tiger sharks are losing confidence and he did a couple circles and he left oh well yeah that's uh that's crazy I've never seen a tiger shark diving or spearfishing before uh I think that I think probably the I've seen I've seen bull sharks before never like checking me out never getting close to me if that if that happened I would be walking on water I promise you that well don't do that I don't turn you back to the shark no interest I have no interest in chasing sharks just to catch Kobe I mean it's just it's insane and um I mean sometimes it's just they just they just pop up let's say if we're four in the same spot and then my friend shoots a shark with fish over there and then my friend shoots fish over there and they're attracted and then they come and then sometime they're just gonna follow you to the surface and then they're just gonna yeah and also you know the fish pot I don't know what's going on with the fish populations in Florida But I believe the last time I checked, it's like, since the '80s, the populations have been diminishing, and sharks are becoming more accustomed to spear fisherman, and those two things combined are bringing them closer in to shore, they're making them more accustomed to chasing spear fisherman around and trying to, because they want an easy meal, right? So I think the combination of those two, and commercial shark fishing, there was a new law that I think banned commercial shark fishing. Now it's only recreational, so you can catch like one shark the boat as long as it's the right species. I think a lot of bummer is the only spot that you can still do that commercially now. I think before the '70s, commercial shark fishing was a thing. And then since they banned that, the shark population is kind of exploded here. Yes, I mean, nobody knows what the real reason is because of course we can't ask them. Right. But it's there's more fisherman in the water, which means like you said, there's more attracted to things, and then there's less fish, shows that because why they're getting more aggressive. Right. It's probably a mix of everything. There's not a lot of you trying fishing tours in here. How do you add? I said, how would you even track that? Like how would you know? I mean, obviously you can tag big sharks, right? But how do you track the fishing, like the fish population? I don't understand how they do that. I don't know either. It's Noah's definitely very cautious under assessment. It's pissing off a lot of people. I think it's kind of a good thing to rather be cautious and like the group of season is very short. And now they're everywhere. So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. And I said I was frustrating for recreational fishermen because you that's what you enjoyed to do. But it's at some point for what he gets your hand in a cookie dry and like a cookie left. Right. Yeah, but it's like at what point do you let come or bring back some shark fishing? You know what I mean? Like allow spear fisherman to shoot sharks, maybe have like some commercial shark fishing within reason, you know, as long as it's not just chopping the fins off and discarding the body and wasting it, you know, because there's people need shark meat. There's lots of things you can do with the body of the shark and the organs and the bones and, you know, I'm sure they can figure out a way to make money off that. For sure. I mean, there's so many factors. Whenever you think about the water temperature, you think about the cycle of global warming, whatever. Yeah. You think is a cause of global warming doesn't even matter when it comes to this thing because it doesn't matter. It's like it's it is warming up. Is this why it is more sharks is that like there's so many factors out there that it's hard to be like it's the fisherman's fault. Oh, it's global warming fault or it's the lack of commercial fishing for sharks fault. Yeah. And it's just I think it's going to be extremely hard to pinpoint the exact reason for it. Yeah, it's very complicated. There's so many, there's so many factors that contribute to the populations of these species and where they go, where they migrate, their behavior, all that stuff. But it's, you know, all of the animals in the ocean from the whales, the birds, the insects, the sharks, all that stuff is like the machinery and the life support system of the earth. Like the earth is this spaceship hurling through the Milky Way galaxy. And what's keeping the environment here and the oxygen here in the whole balance of the life support system that is the earth is those animals. And the funny, the interesting thing about that to me is those animals don't need humans. If humans were gone tomorrow, the earth would be fine. The earth would sustain itself. But if all those animals were gone tomorrow, the life support system would collapse. And so, so they don't need us, we need them to survive. And it's like some people will say, oh, wow, you think the value of a whale life is more important than the value of a human life? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, you know, we are like this alien species here. And we don't fit into the ecosystem that allows this, the earth to live and allows like the living conditions for us to survive and all that stuff from the phytoplankton and, you know, how that contributes to the CO2 and the oxygen in the, in the water and the temperature. And it's like this crazy delicate system and, and all of those animals from the insects to the whales, they are, they're like the engineers that keep this thing alive. That's an interesting thing. What's that? We have no purpose. Yeah. Well, we figure out what we find for this. Is it the wasps that have no purpose to? The wasps. I think there's like, there's one insect that has zero purpose. It's one of them. Really? Yeah. There's like, huh. I wonder which one that is. Probably mosquitoes. I could definitely live without those. Yeah. What is that fish that's like, absolutely pointless? There's a fish that like nobody, that's, it's tasteless. It's a deep sea fish called like a pad, is it maybe a paddock? Is that right? I don't know. There's this tasteless fish where it's like, oh, it's like a cold water white fish. And what they, what they started doing with it was taking the meat and spraying it with this chemical scent. And then doing this white or this red strip dye, stripe of dye on it. And they started selling it as crab. Oh, Pollock. Pollock. Pollock. That's what it is. So there's this useless fish that we figured out how to monetize because it tastes like shit or it doesn't taste like anything. And now they sell that as crab. So when you go to a sushi restaurant and you get a California roll and it has that crab stick in there, that's Pollock. That's Pollock. It's not real crab. No. It's a fish. It's literally a fish. They sell Pollock fillets now. Do they really? Yeah, they sell them at Pollock. That's what I make fish fillets and McDonald's is Pollock too. It's Pollock? No shit. All right. No idea. It's used for vast markets, like McDonald's and things like that. No way. Now they try and-- I thought they were tilapia for that kind of stuff. No. So now the Pollock ancestry, it's kind of Alaska. It's called serenium, right? Yes, serenium. Serenium. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're finding used to it because it's a very sustainable fish to catch. I mean, Alaska people will disagree on that. But yeah, they use it for mass consumption. Yeah. And then the antartic Patagonian toothfish, you know what that fish? Chill and sea bass. Sea bass. AKA Chilean sea bass. Yes. The most expensive fish at the grocery store. That's crazy. That story. So it's a deep water cold fish that's off Patagonia and it's got a goofy name. So they renamed it Chilean sea bass. It's not a bass, and it's not from Chile. But that name is like a marketing term to add value and to get people to buy it. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty good. It's delicious. It's delicious. It's probably one of the best fish. It melts in your mouth. It's amazing. Awesome. But I would be happy with it being called a Patagonian long toothfish. But it's just like the, you know, it's the same story with the spider crab. They renamed the spider crab in the 50s to Alaskan king crab. Oh. That sounds better. Yeah, it does. I mean, even a grocery store right now, they're selling, you want to get a spider crab or an Alaskan king crab? Right. They did the reverse on a fish called, so, sable fish. It can be sold as sable fish or it can also be sold as black cod. Oh, really? It's cheap. It's probably like $13 a pound. Maybe at a grocery store. It tastes very similar to a chill and sea bass. It's awesome. It's just, it's one of the best fish you can buy there for the price. Yeah. And it's sustainable. And I don't know why they, maybe they'd do it sable fish, so people buy it less. I don't know. That's crazy. You know. Yeah, for that grocery store, that's, that's, if you, and you see sable fish, grab it. That's cheap. Really? Yeah. There's lots of controversies in the seafood industry. Yes. It's definitely not black and white industry. No. It's the problem is just greed. Greed and politics gets into the seafood industry. The bigger problem gets when you get outside of, uh, developed countries. So when you go in third world countries and you have extremely serious problems, such as modern slavery and like, which you'll kidnapping and murder and crazy stuff happening on boats. Yeah. That's next level. That's great. Where it's just lawlessness. You know, there's like, um, I'm sure you're familiar with that thundership, the big pirate ship. Um, that Paul Watson was chasing for like a hundred days. And um, he was chasing them and they were, they were, uh, running from Paul. And he was like with Interpol, like documenting the whole thing. And um, at one point, they just dropped their net, which was like a 70 something kilometer net that weighed fucking 50 tons. They dropped it in the ocean and they tried to rescue it. And it took them like, I want to say like two or three weeks to get that net out of the ocean. And that's all monofilament plastic. Like, and the amount of those trawlers, super trawlers that drag those giant nets all around the ocean are crazy. And then finally, when they got it, like, I don't know, a hundred miles off the west coast of Africa, they tried to sink their own ship to destroy the evidence. Oh, they did sink it. No, but what happened was Paul boarded the ship while it was sinking, and they ripped all the computers and the documentation off the ship, and they ended up having to save the fucking crew of the ship. That's crazy. They were all in the ocean, like swimming, and Paul had to save them all. And what he was telling me is that out of all of the seafood that is sold around the world in five-star restaurants, 45% of that seafood that you buy is caught illegally by boats like this. I don't know the numbers. I don't know what worldwide is about 20%, the sea is so vast, nobody's going to be able to monitor that. Not right now anyways. With satellites, they are working on solutions for those problems, but who's going to spend the money? Yeah. We got bigger things to spend money on. Exactly. It's nobody. We got to bomb some countries. Exactly. Most guys have the same rotation when it comes to their wardrobe. A good pair of jeans, a couple t-shirts, and maybe one or two pairs of shoes. But what shows who you really are every day is the finish you put on top. That's where GLD comes in. I wear this massive, silver finish, floral necklace. I wear it every day. I'd only take it off during the podcasts. If you ever catch me not on the podcast, I will definitely be decked out in all this bling. The stonework catches light from every direction, and the floral detail looks even better up close. And it's heavy. It's definitely a statement piece, but that's what I love about it. 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So then that way, you cannot modify it and you know exactly where to see food was caught. You know that the temperature chain, so that the part that I found fascinating, so basically you know that during its entire transportation, it always kept between between 32 and whatever it was fresh fish and frozen, so it's really good for food safety, it's good for pregnant people. Yeah. How do they use the blockchain track it? Every step has to be documented on the blockchain. You caught it, you put it in a blockchain in the system and all of a sudden there's no illegal fishing. That's interesting. Because a lot of people even still did it as they afford it. So you go to a restaurant. You're like, what's this? You're like snapper. I'm like, no. So you got to teach fishermen how to use blockchain? Yes. Which they do it enough at actually. Really? I don't understand that stuff. They're interested because it makes their. Oh, wow. This is not. Is this it? That's not the one my friend is doing, but that's one of them. This is a different one. They are. That's a crazy video clip. Is that AI or is that real? That could be a tuna farm in Europe. Oh, really? That's probably. Guess we can't watch the video. What is yellowfin? They have like tuna farms like this out in the middle of the ocean with like, oh yeah, you can see the net on the right. Look at that. You can see a net on the right. Then yeah. So they have like giant offshore areas, netted areas, where they keep things like tuna and even salmon, right? I mean, tuna is a migratory fish. So the tuna farming is not going too too well. It's not a species that needs to be farmed. Salmon, the problem is the demand is so high. It's. Yeah. There's a lot of misconception. Same as a great PR. It does. It also has terrible PR. Now everybody thinks that, oh my god. Normous. Normous for people that aren't. Yeah. But farm salmon is not all terrible. I eat farm salmon. I think. You don't think it's terrible. I think it tastes better than wild salmon. Really? I like my fish fatty, so. Yeah. That's true. But I wonder what the nutrient difference would be, like the difference in the different types of nutrients. I actually looked at it and it was undat different. Don't they pump that farm salmon up with a bunch of antibiotics and stuff like that and hormones and. No, really? I mean, antibiotics stays in the body. Same thing as a human and only stays for a certain amount of days. So even when you buy an antibiotic-free meat, it means that within the week it was sold, it was not giving in to antibiotics. So I heard that all the farmed salmon, because of the stuff they feed it, they have to feed it this. They basically. They catch this krill off like South America and then a lot of that krill is churned up into this concoction that they feed the salmon, the salmon farms. And then because of the salmon are living in such close quarters, they have to inject them with all kinds of antibiotics. And then after they cut up the salmon and harvest meat, they have to dip it in some sort of chemical concoction to get rid of all the sea lice. And then after they dip it in the chemicals, they're not allowed to. It's not allowed to be consumed for eight months after that, to. So it's safe. So in the U.S., they don't do that. They don't do that. True. Asia, probably. Right. Okay. It's something that I would not be surprised of them doing. And the U.S. It doesn't work like that. First of all, in the U.S., when you do farmed salmon, it's extremely regulated, extremely, the marine corpus, or it's monitoring that, and they not put it on my front. The marine corp? Yeah. They don't fuck around. And it's. They test the water. It's everything. Like, you don't put chemicals in the water with the marine corp looking around. The sea lies what they do, in Maine, anyways. What I know that they do is that they put the fish one by one in, like, a power wash, like you were washing a car, and it tastes of the sea lies off. That's what they do. First sea lies in the U.S. Interesting. So it's not chemicals or anything like that. When they are at diseases, I know they treat them, but everything is. I mean, again, I don't. I'm not into. We're not gonna talk about the reliability of D.F.D.A. but everything is of D.F.D. approved. Right. And when it comes to. This is what AI says. Yes, farmed salmon are frequently subjected to bath treatments to kill or detach sea lies through a process. Though the process is a bit more industrial than simply dipping them, because open net ocean pens pack thousands of fish together and they create the perfect breeding ground for sea lies. Yeah, Canada sucks, which fishery. Yeah. They're not Canada is not good. Yeah, British Columbia, Chile, Tasmania. Okay, commonly used chemicals is hydrogen peroxide. One of the most widely used bath treatments, it temporarily paralyzes and weakens the lies, so they drop off the fish. It is favored by some because it breaks down safely into water and oxygen. Often, pesticides or this other thing, it says, pesticides and insecticides, harder chemicals such as azamethophenos and deltomythrin and cypermethrin are neurotoxins designed to kill the lies. I mean, the first link looks good, I don't know what living oceans.org is. Yeah. Salmon. Salmon initiative, that's the other thing with this AI, it's just picking sites that could be, you know, super biased or like. There's a lot of stuff about salmon out there, a lot of it is negatives, it's really hard to find. I mean, I visited a farm, I visited a couple of farms and they were in the US and they were not doing that. Really? They did not pay me. Where were those farms at? In Maine. In Maine. I would say that there's a shift towards non-chemical methods right here at the bottom. What is this, Steve? Because sea lies are rapidly evolving resistance to the drugs and due to consumer concerns over pesticide use, the global strain industry has been actively shifting towards a mechanical and natural alternatives. Natural all to her and she's talking about it. This they call them salmon car washes, plumping fish through tubes where low pressure water sprays physically to not go lies off. Exactly. That's the craziest thing is that like we have to industrialize harvesting animals to survive because we have such a huge population of humans on this earth. I mean, also it's when you landlock and you need omega-3, you kind of have to find a way to just people to have access to fish. Right. When salmon seems to be the. Or the beach, motherfucker. You want some fish? Better get in the car. But they're doing the same thing with the feet too. It's evolving. Yeah. It's not all. There are a lot of terrible practices out there. they don't give someone any presents. But I also. have some of them, they're getting much better and better. - Well, Alaska bands, salmon farming. - Yes. Alaska's very opinionated on their seafood. I mean, they have one of the, they have, they have treasures there when it comes to seafood. So it's not all that they're being very protective of it. So it's, I'm not saying essentially it's not a bad thing, but yeah, they have very, very strong opinions about a lot of things. - Why do you think that is? - Because the states rely so much of it. So many people's livelihood relies on this. So they're doing everything they can to protect it as they should. - Yeah. - That's not a bad thing. - Because if you have the best salmon on earth and everyone else is trying to copy you and basically commoditize your treasure, your natural treasure that you have, of course you're gonna speak up about that. - I think that if you buy wild salmon, I think the only place that it could come from is actually Alaska. I don't think you can buy in the U.S., you cannot buy a salmon while salmon that's coming from anywhere else. - Right, the only wild salmon would be in from Alaska. - I would, yeah. - Yeah, that makes sense. - I would defeat, you know? It's like sort of krill and everything. Like a lot of, there's a lot of overfishing and West Africa has been a really big problem. A lot of developed countries are exploiting a lot of those countries over there. Big problems with corruptions and sustainability and there's a lot of human stuff issues too. But yeah, they're trying to find solution. The NSAC was a dead end. That was promising, but it didn't work out. And now they're really onto meat scraps. I'm like chicken factories and they use a lot of seed oils. Which I don't know, wherever you stand on that, it's your thing, but it's not, yeah. I'm fine. What do you need to fall salmon to be here? - Yeah, the krill thing is crazy. Because I think their, the krill fisheries are allowed to get like 600 or there they have been limiting out around 600,000,000 pounds of krill per year, right? And they do it kind of like derby fishing where they basically catch, they go balls to the wall until they run out of quota and then they have to stop. And I heard recently, I think I heard recently that they up to that to 1.2 million pounds per year. 'Cause they kept hitting that 250,000 limit or that 650,000 limit. And the argument against the krill fishing is that it takes away from the other sea life, like the sea lines down there and all the other fish that use that krill and like the offspring that rely on krill to feed off of. So it takes away from that local ecosystem and they use that krill to bring into salmon farms, they use it for pet food, they use it for like omega three supplements and stuff like that. A lot of factory farmed animals, they feed like pigs. I heard they're feeding that krill too. After they mash it all up and create whatever kind of paste they feed to the animals, they give it to pigs and chickens a lot. - I mean, also one of the big problem of krill is that, it's expensive. That's not a cheap product. I think, and I don't know about pigs, but I think in salmon right now, the feed is probably maybe about like 15%. - Oh wow. - Well, they still use it, but they try to replace it because it's expensive. But the krill is what is giving its salmon its color. - Right. - So then they give, it's a very long chemical lane and I keep forgetting about it. It's not actually not bad for you, the color. - What does it call? - I don't think that they do it. - It's a type of dye, you said? - Yeah, it's a type of dye that they use that they put and salmon feed to give its color. But it's not toxic for you, man. - It's not. - No, it's not. Let's see what think it is, but it's actually not. I'm sure you can. - Yeah, it's some chemical name, Asta. - Yeah, Asta, then it's in-- - Asta, Asta, then. - Asta, taxa, taxa, then. Asta, taxa, then. - Oh, it gives the color to shrimp. - Oh, wow. - Oh, wow. - It flamingos. - So what does that say? Naturally occurring a cart, car, o, tonoid pigment that gives wild salmon shrimp and flamingos that are pink color. That's bonkers. It makes flamingos feathers pink. That's a ton of-- - It's pretty insane, right? Huh. - Huh. - So I also heard all of the biomass that exists on the planet, like all the animals, the biological mass, 95% of it is farmed animals. - Yeah, that would make sense. - And I think that includes humans. So humans and farmed animals is 95% of the biomass. And 5% of the biomass on earth is wild animals. - That's crazy. - Crazy as that. - We're a lot of people. - Yeah. - We're a lot of people to feed. I think that it's-- when you're talking about vegan diets and sustainable diets and things like that, I think it's differently. It's hard not to see it from a point of view, from a privileged point of view. - Right. - To eat sustainable. - Yeah. - And to eat well and to eat a lot of protein. You need to have money. - Yeah. - The boat is spear gun. - Or a boat or a spear gun. No, better, France would boat in spear guns. - A friend with a boat? - Yeah, exactly. - You'll need a kayak. - It's true. It is true and it's one of those things where it's like, it's too big. It's such a big machine. And there's 8 billion people on this earth. And you know, there's giant governments and organizations and industries behind all this stuff. And you have to feed these people one way or the other. And that's 99.99% of human beings on this earth. They rely on that. - But this is why I get a problem. Is that when it comes to playing out the false of sustainability, it's always a consumer and it doesn't point it out. No, but you have to eat better. You have to pick the better options that are responsibility is on you and blah, blah, blah, blah. And the problem is that, is that especially in this economy, people are just trying to put food in their plates. They're trying to feed their family. I think it's really unfair to ask people, so okay, instead of buying the cheap tilapia that we keep telling you is disgusting for you, then instead you need to buy the very expensive, sustainable option and it sounds really good in paper. Everybody wants to eat the nice, beautiful piece of soundloom from Alaska, but a lot of families cannot afford it. - Yeah, it's just wealth extraction to a sick degree with the same thing as the idea of putting a carbon tax on people, like people that are already struggling to work paycheck to paycheck. Now you want to bootstrap them with this carbon tax that they're gonna have to pay on top of filling up their gas tank because they're contributing to global warming or whatever. It's just pure insanity. - Yeah, when they ask you to buy a plane ticket, do you want to pay carbon? Why do you pay a billion dollars to put your drinking mills out there? - Why do I have to pay? Why do you want me to overcharging me for a freaking plane ticket? - Right, yeah, exactly. And when you have the ability to go out and catch that 5% of wild animals, that's gonna be way better for you, you know? Like when you can go out and catch and eat wild animals, whether it be land animals or ocean animals, it's gonna be way healthier. And it's like, we were aware of how terrible like hyper-processed food is for us. Right, like what's, I was wanna like the big things with the presidential administration when they were running. They're like with the whole Bobby Kennedy thing. Like we're gonna get rid of food dyes. We're gonna get rid of this, this, this, this, and this 'cause that's what's making America sick. And America is the sickest country in the world. And it's propped up by this big food industry that used to be the big tobacco industry. And it works hand in hand with the pharmaceutical industry 'cause you're not only are making people sick with the food, but they're also pulling in money hand over fist with feeding people or prescribing people medications and stuff like that. So, it's a vicious cycle. And it's a problem that, you know, it's so overwhelming. It seems like, you know, how do you fix it? It's hard because let's say, so I live in Texas, if I want to go catch my own meat, it's very easy. If I jump into my car, I go somewhere, chances that I'm gonna run into a white tailed pretty high. Oh, really? If you live, yeah, they're everywhere. And if you, if I live in Tampa by example, okay, then you have to run 10, 15 miles minimum. You need a boat. Spirit gun is $500. And then you need a wetsuit and then you need fins and then you need this and then you need that. And then by the time you get there, by the gas, the gas you spend, it is better than a planning perspective. But it's hard not to see catching your own food on land or on a boat has something that's very privilege. You can catch a lot of stuff on the shore. You can. We can get much better stuff. When I was in high school, I used to do a lot of illegal spearfishing. And I've been, we've already said this on the podcast, to an actual of a while the game. in wildlife guy, and he didn't give out of me. But when I was in high school, I used to just swim off the jetties here and shoot giant snook. And, you know, you can't shoot snooks anymore. So, what's that? You can't shoot snooks anywhere. Oh, no, you couldn't shoot them when I was shooting them back in the day either. But we were, you know, me and my friends would just go out, you know, we would jump off the jetties off the beaches and, you know, we would just shoot sheep's heads, snook, redfish, whatever we could find. You know, the only one of those things I just mentioned that you're allowed to shoot just sheep's head. And then, you know, I remember I would go down to the keys for weeks on end by myself, and I would have no money. And I would just not during lobster season, I would just jump off the bridge and I would fill my board shorts up with lobster tails and my bowl spare. There's tons of food in short, you know, it's just like you have to get it, you have to deal with like the laws. There's lots of laws around that kind of stuff, like what fish you can shoot, what you got to be educated on what fish are allowed to shoot, what's legal, what's not illegal. And nowhere to go. But, but yeah, I see what you're saying with that. It's a very privileged thing to be able to do for sure. Yeah, gun is expensive. You cannot land. It's expensive. You need a gun, you need a car, you need let's say if you're starving, if you live in Austin, Texas and you're starving, it's going to be hard for you to go hunt you on deer. Yeah, for sure. Do you do a lot of hunting? I do, yes. Now I do. Really? Yeah. What kind of stuff do you hunt? Whitetail and I do nail guy. Do what? Nail guy. Just like an antelope. Oh, no, they it was it was important for high fence. Yeah, ranches, but a bunch of them escape. So now they, I guess considered kind of not native. Right. So there's no seasons for them. So that's one thing I've never done. I've never been on a proper hunt. Like a land hunt. A good friend of mine just went to Alaska like three days ago to go moose hunting. Oh, that's nice. That's a ton of meat. Yeah. So they dropped him off. I guess he had to like take three flights out there and then they took up, like they take, he flies to Alaska. Then he has to take another little flight somewhere else. And then he has to like it dropped off in a helicopter somewhere. And they're there for 10 days uncontacted. And like I guess if they kill, I don't, this is what he told me. I don't know what I'm talking about, but he said if they kill a moose, they have to quarter it up, strap it to their backs, and then they have to go back to the helicopter pad where they got there and like tied up to the top of a tree. So Grizzlies don't get it. Yeah, that sounds that sounds like a pain in the ass. You're sick. Do you mind if I eat? Yeah, yeah, you want to, we'll take a quick break. She's going to take a, my, my, my figures getting low. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I always feel bad for people that have to like constantly throughout their lives, like monitor the stuff 24/7. I want to eat like I can't complain it's three months. Yeah. So we're live. We were just having a long conversation about the dating worlds now, how crazy it is. And there was a interestingly enough, there was the same woman I was talking to you about earlier in the beginning of the show how she found that nomadic sea tribe of sea people that was constantly that they just live off the ocean and they're free diving their whole lives. She did a study called the sweaty t-shirt study. Have you ever heard of that? If it's the one that I'm thinking about, I'm super fascinated about that because can keep going. Yeah, it's so interesting. So they gave a group of women sweaty t-shirts from different men. And they had each of the women smell the sweaty t-shirt and rate how attractive, how attracted they were to that scent. Yeah. Like on a scale of one to ten. So after each woman rated the sweaty t-shirt, they said, okay, valentine, valentine, you found this scent very attractive. So we're going to measure, take your DNA and take the DNA of the guy that that sweat came from. And we're going to compare it and see if we notice any patterns. And what they found was the immune system of the woman who found that scent attractive was like a mirror, like a reverse of the immune system of the man who sweat she found attractive, meaning that like where the woman's immune system lacked, the man's immune system made up for that. I just think so. It made like a full, a more robust immune system in case if they reproduced and they made it, they made it baby. That's crazy. Isn't that insane? That the smell, like you would never imagine, it's like, it's just one of those things you don't think about when you're on these dating apps and you're swiping left and right on people, you're just looking at a 2D image of somebody. That's like manipulated by a computer or whatever they do to smooth their face, all that shit. And they should ask for smell sample. One of them, they should ask for smell samples. Yeah. Yeah, it's an important evolution, evolutionary thing, I guess, or biological thing when it comes to reproduction. It's like a, it's just one of those things you kind of take for granted. You know, when you're around somebody, their scent can be attractive, you know? It didn't happen to me that I met a guy and I thought he was nice and everything was fine, but that the smell was in there for me. So it's another thing. It's just not, it was just not an attractive smell to me. Are you being serious right now? Yeah. Oh, really? No joke. Yeah. Yeah. That's, see, that's great. I did it a guy. I mean, I was, I was much younger. So it doesn't know a, this person would work on myself anyways. Yeah, he, he smelled like soap all the time to me. So I'm going to ask him people, and I was like, can you just smell it? It's just like you bit into it, like a bar of dove. And they were like, like a dove soap. And they were like, no, what are you talking about? I was like, no. Yeah. Another thing is this probably a little bit of details, but better infection. What? A bladder infection. When you date a guy and you have intercourse of the guy, your body can reject that person. And then you're going to get bladder infections over and over and over again, because you pH just don't match. Right. And that's a problem. Oh, that's so interesting. But human biology is so freaking crazy. I also saw something in a little while ago, and I don't know, I don't even know if it's accurate, but the pill, the contraceptive pill, kind of fucks that up. Yeah. And weirdly enough, this is purely anecdotal. But I've been in a pill for 18 years, and I made very bad dating decisions. Yeah. And once I stopped the pill, much quicker, I was also older, so I also could help. But much quicker, I was able to say, like, oh, you know what, this is a red flag. No, I shouldn't do that. And I was more clear in my thinking when it came to choosing a partner. Yeah. I've heard that too. I've heard that there's been women who like started dating their significant other when they were young and they were on birth control pills, or even the, what's the one that goes inside the IUD or on the IUDs? And then they maybe been with their boyfriend for five, six, seven years. And then, as soon as they get that taken out, they're not attracted to them anymore. I think that the whole process that you mentioned, that like the very primal partner picking, I think the pill does affect that a lot. Yeah, I think so. But maybe you can make wrong decisions because of that. Yeah. Like, there's a reason, I mean, we evolved to be able to like make judgments on our mates, like, by judging them in person, not through 2D screens. Yes. So it's just like, how does that, how does that spiral out of control with the way it's going? How now, like, young people aren't going out anymore. I mean, each other in person, and like, people are becoming more lonely and, oh, my God, seems like a real problem. Well, you can get lucky for sure. Like, that also happens. I mean, in a sense that, or her parents, they have, they had a much smaller pool of options, which could lead to settling for different reasons. Yeah. As is right now, instead of having a circle of 20 people around you, you have access to 5,000 people around you. I don't know how much time it takes you to go all through freaking hands or tinder or whatever, but you're going to go through a ton of people. Yeah. So you also have access to, right. But then how do you choose? I don't know. Right. Well, I mean, I guess it's better than, you know, being a British royalty back in the day when all they did was interbreed with each other. True. You had to breed with people of the same family or the same lineage of you, like your third cousin. And that's why those people look all crazy. Remember that? What was that deformity we were talking about the other day, or like, you were looking at these photos, these French kings back in the day, and they had these crazy big, like, jaws that came out like this. And then their nose, like, hooked down. They looked insane. And they would hire these artists to do portraits of them. And it was super allegedly realistic compared to their skeletal remains and see how realistic was this with their facial structure or whatever. And they found out it was super accurate. Like when these royals had artists paint them, they didn't have them face tune them at all. They had a very accurate, yeah, look at this guy. It's not a caricature, it's actually his face. That's actually what this dude looks like. And that's from inbreeding. They had like protruding jaws. Mm-hmm. Like they thought that was hot back then. Like if you look like that, you know that you're, you got fucking money. (laughing) The more you look, the richer you look. No, no, no. You look the richer you are. (laughing) Oh God. Oh God. Yeah, look at this. Ooh. So crazy. King Charles II of Spain, wild. He probably married his first cousin. Yeah. His sister. Speaking of Spain. Isn't there like very little fish over there? I heard that like over there, especially in the Mediterranean, there's like no fish out there. Europe, you would think that you are presuming terribly, terribly, there's a lot of, I mean, everybody's doing bad things. Like it may wrong, but there's a lot of exploitation of Africa when it comes to seafood and also the overfish, everything. They keep producing trawlers and things like that. Trawlers, trawlers, trawlers. Trawlers, yeah, trawlers, um, they're very still, they do a lot of bad stuff still. They're not really changing much. Right. 39 estate is actually pretty impressive. It's the best country in the world when it comes to seafood's sustainability. No way. It's the best way to buy seafood and be sure that you're buying sustainable stuff. It's buying something from the US. Not process in the US, but caught in the US. Yeah, there's so much weird shit that happens overseas in Europe and places like that. Like I heard, I think it was Rico Berry was telling us about this island off of Denmark, this Danish, it was Danish territory towards an island of like indigenous people. Find out the name of that island. But basically what they do is they slaughter dolphins for sport. Oh, yeah. It's once a year, right? Yeah. Like a big festival. Yeah, it's like a big thing where they, like even like the kids will go out and they slaughter the dolphins. They don't eat them. They just like chop their heads off and take photos with them and stuff like that. And Denmark lets them do it because it's like they're, they're heritage or whatever. It would be racist to not let them slaughter those dolphins. I guess a lot of people left the, into it's alone when they're, when they're well hunting and stuff because they actually eat it and they use their whole animal. It's still a harder to decide what, dictate what animal are more important than others. And it sends that, let's say snapper for us is casual Tuesday fish to eat, right? And then, so who are we to say like, like, no, like you've been eating wells for 500 years? Right. And a lot to do that anymore. Right. So in that perspective, I couldn't, I couldn't understand the argument. As I mean, I agree with it, but you can at least understand the argument when it comes to, if you don't eat it though, then they're just killing it for fun. They're just killing it for fun. That's just, yeah. What's, what's the point? You're the Taiji Japanese fishing group. Taiji. No, that's Japan. That's the cove movie. This is, this is an island, a Danish island. Ah, the photos are horrible. It's an island owned by Denmark, a Danish island that slaughtered dolphins, refers to the grind, grind a drop, centuries old tradition, a drive hunt of pilot whales and white-side dolphins. Oh, no, they eat it. Oh, the pharaoh islands. That's what it is, the pharaoh islands. They eat though. Oh, really? And distributed amongst the local community for conception. Oh, wow. I didn't know they were eating it. I thought they were only killing it. Well, that's still, I mean, if they're eating it, that's better. That's a lot better, but it's like very unhealthy. I mean, also it's, I'm playing the devil's advocate here. Right. It's just so okay, they're killing 1400 dolphins in a day, which sounds appalling. What's the population of the pharaoh island? The current population of the pharaoh island is approximately 56,700. Okay. So divide 1400, divided by 57,000 people. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about 1/8 of a dolphin per person. That's probably going to last maybe a month or two. Right. It's. Yeah, human beings have always done very weird, violent things for superstitious. From that even, it's a very tiny portion of, unless I got that mat wrong, which is how you're possible, because I said the mat, but it's a very small amount of meat. And even, I posted a photo of myself a couple days ago and there's fish on the ground and I'm holding your fish. And so I mean, he was like, this is an excessive amount of fish. I'm like, we're a ten on a boat. Everybody's married. Some people have kids. So you're already talking about 12 people to feed. Right. Let's say there's. I don't know, I'm making this up. This is a 30 fish on the boat. So it's two fish per person. That's what a month's supply of food doesn't seem excessive like that. How much meat and fish do you buy from a grocery store in a month? Right. Was it going to be more or less than that? Yeah. I don't know. Well, people on the internet are also very unhappy. The people that allow us on the internet are the most unstable, unhealthy, psychologically people that exist. Sure. But it's a normal reaction. Like, sometimes it even happened to me and I fish. Sometimes I see photos of a boat and it's filled with fish and I'm like, oh my god, like it gets me and I'm like, shit, it sons a lot. And then I'm like, I'm like, no, like this is so stupid. It's not. Yeah. Think about it. First of all, they're a commercial fisherman. This is a tiny boat. You see a photo of a tiny, like a family fishing boat, let's say in Maine and whatever. And you look at the haul they're going to do at the end of the day, you're going to look at that and you're going to be like, whoa, this is a lot of fish. Just as crazy. Right. The ocean has a ton of fish. It's more resistant than we think it is, even though they're abused. But when you compare to trawlers and extremely big fish, this is when you're talking about big quantities. Yes. We look at a small fishing boat and automatically we're going to be emotional about it and thinking like, oh, this is like 2000 fish. This is horrible. This is a ton of fish. But it's really not. And even, I mean, even if you want to extend that to like charters who live in communities like in the Keys, right? Like there's like hardcore fishing families that live in the Keys that have bad ass boats and people that go visit the Keys, they pay a lot of money to go out and where these people will take them to the best spots, catch them a bunch of great fish. They get to cook and eat fresh fish while they're going down there. That contributes to the local community down there of like local fishermen who were born and raised there and like that brings advertising revenue, oh, I mean, not average, but like, like tourists, tourism and all that stuff. It's great for the communities. But when you're talking about like highly mechanized, industrial netting and trawling and that stuff, that's where it gets squirrely. And that's where it's like, you know, that's kind of like where I draw the line where like that could be changed. That could be regulated differently. How much of it, how much of an effect would it have? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, but it's like one of the challenges is let's say China is a good example. I mean, hopefully nobody will come and kill me. But China has been lying a lot about their, they keep saying that yeah, we'll keep catching more and more and more fish and they're lying about the data to be like, there's no fishing problem. There's no fishing problem. You're talking about a country here who not talking about Roger and his mate Steven who are like on a boat and lying about catching a little bit more fish like you literally talking about an entire country, lying about catches and quotas. So it makes a lot of things extremely complicated. Yeah. It does for sure. But it's like the same fishing boat coming out of, I'm just going to do New England because New England is so fish easy. Now the same boat is going to have to spend more money, they're going to spend more gas money, they can have to spend more time at sea and they have a certain quota. So when people are trying to, to think that, let's just like, if you eat less fish, then people are going to catch less fish and this map, this just doesn't work. It's, it's not how it is. It's, let's say the price of the card is, I don't know, $20 a pound and then people will stop eating it. I'll sudden and the price of the card is going to be $12 a pound. - Right, exactly. - You think that a fishing boat is going to be like, well, I guess we're taking a loss this year. Now they won't. What they're going to do is they're going to go for longer, and then it's going to cost them more money to do it. But the quota's going to, they're going to fish the exact same amount to make the same amount of money. - Right. - And that the pro, no company's going to take a profit going down. - Right. - So they're going to do everything they can. And the lower the fish prices, what it means that the more drastic people are going to be, what are your fishing methods? - 100%. And that's what's happening with the bluefin tuna in Japan. So like the bluefin tuna is like the most expensive fish in the world, where it's like they go for $70,000 of fish or something like that in Japan, which is nuts. - Yeah. - And the population of them is diminishing from what I heard. And they could do like some sort of a temporary moratorium on fishing to let the supply and the population of the bluefin go back up. But the problem with that and why they won't do that is because if the population of the bluefin go back up, that increases the supply, which drops the price. So that's why they won't do it. They want fewer bluefin. So the price of them can remain astronomically high, like $70,000 of fish. - Yeah, for sure. And they've been trying to modify the quotas and the United States because bluefin tuna is actually very sustainable in the United States. That you catch it on the East Coast when the West goes, it's the population is it's it's it's it's getting better and it's healthy, things like that. But problem is you have Mexico who's not healthy by then all. - Right. - And you have Japan who's being not healthy at all. - Right. - As far as sustainable is very geographic. It's not. That's why I don't really like talking about a species when it comes to sustainable, leave it rather as what a species was caught to. That makes a really big difference. If you want to buy if you're going to buy a bluefin, like people say, oh my god, it cannot eat bluefin tuna, it's terrible, it's terrible. - Why, why's it terrible? - Because it's sustainability. If you buy bluefin tuna caught off the coast of New England, it's very sustainable. They not allowed a lot of tuna over here. It's extremely regulated. They have face recognition planes flying. - Why? - If you are catching a tuna, you don't have a permit, you're going to get caught and you're going to go to jail. - It's a very expensive product. So of course, you're going to be very protective. In Canada, you allowed the license cost, I think about $60,000. And you allowed one fish per year, and then a following year you allowed two, then one, then two, then one, then two. A year for your whole season. So I went on with this guy, we went, and we did right and real. We caught one. He was about 800 pounds. He was like, fuck it, he cut the line. He said, I only allowed one this year. I'm going to have to wait for 1,200, 1,400 pound one. Otherwise, I'm not going to make my money. - That's good. - So, but it's, yeah, it's pretty. And then if you go on a charter and a West Coast, and if you're winning your limits, you're fine. - Right. Are you familiar with the quota systems here in Florida? Like on the Gulf Coast, when it comes to groupers and snapper and all that. And the whole IFQ system is in place here. I know like, how much you allowed to catch for a boat for a person? - Yeah, so like I learned about this by accident about 10 years ago, because I was born and raised here. And I was always around the beaches and stuff like that. And when I was young, we would always drive by this 1,711. Let's just on the corner of Madera Beach. And we would always see these crazy alcoholic dudes just roaming around causing chaos and being belligerent. And one day, my buddy was like, we should go interview those guys, 'cause we were into doing documentaries and stuff back then. So we got in the car, we went over there, and we started interviewing this guy. And just the most insane character I've ever met, like full-blown alcoholic drug addict, like loved buying prostitutes, lived on a boat, like a broken-down houseboat that was still floating in one of the marinas. And this guy was a decand for commercial fishing boats that go out and catch a group or a snapper off the coast here. And the way they do it is they go offshore for like 10 days at a time to catch a bunch of group or a snapper. 'Cause like John's Pass is like the group or capital of the world. Like more group or comes in through John's Pass than any other port in the world, which is insane. So it's very well known for group or fishing. - Well, do you still dig in and between jobs? - Yeah, all he did was decand on boats. That's the only thing he did for money. So we met this guy, we started talking to him like, this guy's insane, and then he started talking to us about what he does for work. He's like, I'm a decand. He's like, I go out fishing for 10 days. I come back with like four or five grand and I just fucking party. And he goes, I come back and he blows all his money on drugs and prostitutes. And eventually he runs out of money and he has to go fishing again. So a lot of the people that we met like him are like addicted to heroin, cocaine, all kinds of drugs. And they blow all that cash on all the drugs. And no one gives a shit about them. They're basically on their own in their own little degenerate community. And then they show up at the fish houses when they run out of drugs. And they're like, take me fishing. I need to go make some money. So they go off shore for 10 days and they detox at sea and they call it C-hab. - Jesus. - And then they get more money, they come back and they rinse and repeat. But like, and they, so like the problem with it and the way this whole IFQ system started with the quotas. And the reason that it's become like what's the problem is is that like the top layer of the fishing industry here has become disconnected from the fishing community here. So these guys should be making a lot more money and like they should be more like connected with like the people that run the boats and own the fish houses and stuff like that. But they're not, they're just sort of treated like, you know, whatever like grunt workers when we don't give a shit about them, they're a dime a dozen. And so I guess in the '80s or early '90s, it was a general fishing quota here to where all the fishing boats got, or there was an X amount of quota that you could catch each year for a per boat, right? So like, say for example, if it was, I'm just gonna throw a number out there, a million pounds a year, they would go out, they would fish all year until they hit that quota. So like sometimes they could catch, they could catch a million pounds by July or September. Sometimes and they would just have to stop fishing for the year 'cause they already had their million pounds quota. And what they did after that, I believe this was in the mid '90s, I could be wrong, was they implemented this IFQ system where the federal government came in and they said we're now going to allocate quota to certain boat owners based on their previous catch history. So if you caught 200,000 pounds roughly a year for the last five years, we're now gonna, the federal government is now gonna hand you 200,000 pounds of quota each year. And they're gonna do that to every other boat. Every other boat owner that's been fishing for forever. - Yeah. - So now because it's been commoditized by the federal government, it's like, it's the best retirement plan known to man for these people because now like this stock is not, it's not the same for everybody. It's now like taken in and now it's like social security for these fishermen. And on top of that. - That you can sell too. - So what these guys did was they said, now since there's like a limited amount of this quota, and I was gifted this by the federal government, I am gonna lease my quota out. So these guys don't have to fish anymore. They can literally lease their quota, which is like whatever, say say red snappers, eight bucks a pound. They can lease their quota out to these people for like 12 bucks a pound. And now they're making, they're skimming off the top. So now there's less money for the actual people on the boat and the people that are operating the boat. And also these guys can sell their stock to people on Wall Street who can literally buy and sell and trade it however they want. - That's crazy. - And it's like, it's so insane how it's just become corporatized and traded on financial markets like that. And from what I understand is that's not how it's done in like the Northeast and in Alaska and stuff like that where the boat owner has to be like on the throttle, on the boat when they're out there fishing. And they have to be like hands on with the whole operation. And here it's just so disconnected. I don't know if it's still that way. Like I said, that was in 2016. So the regulations and the laws may have changed. But when we looked it up two days ago it was still that way. Is it really, and nothing's changed? And it was, I don't know, it was talks about changing it, but. - Yeah. - I don't think it ever happened. - Yeah. It's an unfortunate way to do it, you know, where you're creating this and you're like creating This this industry where it's basically like industrialized with the Way that people can trade the stock and of these quotas and stuff like that. It's really it's really weird And it's not good. It's it's also hard to see where it's going to go because a lot of the majority of the commercial fishermen I know They're not doing well. Yeah, it's it's it's shrimper and Louisiana and Texas Family fishing boat. It's not they have a lot of problems. It's really hard I mean if we're one of them of course is also the next generation is not really want to do that type of work either But it's yeah, it's gonna be Let's see what happens but the more the less you take it out of the hands of The fishermen and the people are just gonna start I mean, it's fish houses and you mentioned. Yeah, oh closing. It's hard. Yeah It's how do you people kind of for that anymore? It is not a fish isn't enough. It's mm-hmm Yeah, and there's lots of people that are like that go to I know like there's people around here who They go to Washington all the time to try to lobby against this quota system, right? Like they want to go back to the way it was so that it's a more localized thing It's more of like a community type thing where the federal government's not involved at all a lot of the guys Don't like that the people that have sold their quota or that lease their quota and make money on that because they do other things now They have no incentive to to stop it. Yeah, no, for sure But it's just crazy how like the government can get so involved in this thing like the federal government can get so involved in like small fisheries in Fishing towns all over the country Sad because yeah, that's like I Have no idea where it's gonna be in 20 years, but the way it's going. It's not gonna be good. No No, not at all. Is there In Texas on the golf coach. How far are you from the golf coast to Texas about three hours three hours? So there's a lot of There's a huge commercial fishing industry there, right? Yes, Galveston Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay Do you ever go out out there at all now? It's when you go from Galveston you have to run extremely far to find blue water Mm-hmm, and of course because as pay fish I can't release pay fish and brown water, right? So I have to go really hard far. No, I go to The closest I go. It's South Padre Island at the border of Mexico. Oh, yeah, yeah, but it's yes I've got the whale rigs out there and they're a lot of other super far are they really so when you go let's say to Louisiana Then you can reach a rate really quickly Mm-hmm, but when it comes Texas. It's just yeah, wait for it out. So it's not it's not very practical It's doable. Mm-hmm. Well, like you said, you mentioned the charters and stuff like that. It's Do I really want to go on a charter and pay four thousand dollars for the day to go fish and catch a bunch of snappers? Yeah It's gonna cost me cheaper to fly to Florida and go visit my friends and do fun fishing with my friends Yeah, a lot of my friends they they they take their boats up to the panhandle and they'll just shoot off the coast of the panhandle and go ahead a bunch of the oil rigs there because it's like I guess it's super close Yeah, I heard it's super fishy over there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like lots of big stuff lots of Marlin and tuna and Wahoo and all kinds of stuff like that Yeah, and lots of good diving to on the on the oil rigs. Yeah, always just so beautiful on the water Have you ever dived on an oil rig? Yeah, they're so amazing and Louisiana and then South Padre is also free diving or? Yeah, free diving. I don't do scuba diving. What kind of I don't do scuba diving either. It's too much. It's too much work Yeah, it's too much stuff to keep track of. Yeah, exactly. You know, I just don't like the idea of being an oxygen at 100 feet down And then I shoot a fish and then I start show up and you have to do your freaking safety stop You save the stuff along the way. Yeah, and then yeah, I was trying to get full of fish and I got it It's like too much shit can go wrong That's my view of it and I'm always like I can't pay attention to my gauges and everything else and it's just like Yeah, I make sure everything's kept kept up to date, you know Serviced at the right time make sure the overings are good and it's like something goes wrong with an overing That can be catastrophic get the bends and that kind of stuff. It's easier to know like I know my own limits But I'm holding my breath, you know also a free dive deep enough that if I would be on the scuba dive is I would go really deep Like I would be able to sit that like yeah like 120 150 with the every one of scuba diving 120 with 15. How deep do you go? Well right now probably not too deep you're not right now, but like normally normally I can do comfortable Up to a hundred really yeah, how long can you stay on the bottom at a hundred Total the dive is probably gonna be maybe two minutes two minutes. Wow nothing too. That's pretty good and I think Manny Quig told me that the best he ever did was at one I think he said he went to 170 and he stayed there for 40 seconds Yeah, 170 at 40 seconds is the best he ever did at that. That's my max actually when seven is my deepest everything But I don't know how long it was, but I've got to go right by go Yeah, it's way it's way more exhilarating when you're free diving. I feel like And it's way more like what I don't know I mean when you're going up and coming down all you know all day long and and doing that and just like There's something about it where it's just like you had this like euphoric feeling after what you know and you're back on the boat You're just like you feel amazing. It does something to you and sporty. It's like you have to it sits I think I was still an estimate because I don't think they actually had a real study on that, but the calories you burn when you freediving is Insane mm. I think he was estimated between 800 and 1200 an hour. Wow. We're like name me not a sport that's that Intense. Wow, that's crazy. You want to lose weight going to free diving during the dive every day That's a lot of calories skinny. That's one of the things you don't realize you're doing it either because like you're in the zone You know, they mean exactly like you're chasing fish and you're doing all that so it's not like one of those things where it's like It's not that taxing in the moment on you But it's also so mental. I mean I had days when I physically I felt fantastic. Yeah, I don't like shit Really and there's other days where I was like oh, I don't know and then next thing you know I was 60 feet I'm chilling for two minutes and a half and I'm like I'm just gonna come back up and life is good And you feel awesome and you feel really good and it's mm-hmm even my pregnancy my first When I was running my first I went freediving. I was doing 50 feet. Wow And I was super comfortable with 50 feet life was good. I didn't feel any pressure And when I went this week at 40 feet, I started feeling the pressure and I was like oh really all right. I can't I That's my own limit that I set to myself when I fill the pressure of the water. That's when I'm stopping Because there is no study on the impact on the I'm gonna to fluid Those ladies you can it's the heart their body so used to it. Yeah, that their body could also be reacting very differently to Me or somebody of course like if you're pregnant. It's not the time to pick up freediving it Exactly, you know, it's also I mean when I my first doctor when I talked him about freediving is pivoting It was like yeah, you've been doing it for like 15 years. He's like go ahead like your body's used to it. It doesn't matter. Mm-hmm. My new doctor. I was like no Do not do that. I was like well, I'm not asking him telling you to go in But yeah, I'll keep it so maybe it's probably mental that she told me not to do it. Mm-hmm So I had less confidence in the water my my body just didn't Yeah, it also could be them three years older. Who knows right? I've ever hand caught a fish hand caught a fish No, no, I have not you got to try it. I like the sling Like this like the pole spear or the the Hawaiian sling no, I don't like the pole spear No, I don't enjoy using that, but I enjoy the sling like yeah in the water and like yeah The Hawaiian slings are cool. That is my favorite one tears. I lived in bimini for a year And I use a sling for a year and it made me a much better hunter Because pole spears aren't there um pole spear or spear guns are not allowed in the Bahamas. Is that right? Yes Even here when I come here, I use the smallest gun and I can I use a 90 I'm fine with a 90 and I'm It makes you better and more careful and that's just how I like to make it harder. No, that I should yeah Yeah, that's like manny manny pug what he does He likes to make it more difficult on himself. That's why he created these tritons. That's what I was gonna show you That's so crazy This is the manny pug trident and this thing weighs this thing's heavy as fuck and this is like solid steel and uh This is like really fucking sharp like this wouldn't pay for anything But you have to be really close to the fish. Yeah, so With the tritons you really can't be in the water It's not designed for shooting for killing shit when you're in the water It's more of like if you're on the boat And you know if there's something like I guess you feed them like triple tail or stuff that's on the surface Yeah, you know like you can you can hit a triple tail or like it you know Talapia and stuff like that or gators is great for gators. There's something this big There's really no fish that you could kill with this that you know like a triple tail with that better be Yeah, I have a smaller one. That's about about a third size of this one. And that one's better for like triple tail and tilapia. So like this, this giant one's better for like gators and hogs and and boars and stuff. Crazy. Um, that's what he so his so his whole thing is making shit more difficult. He's like tries to make shit more primitive. So he likes to go offshore and just chum up fish like drop bait or drop chum in the water and like bring sharks in or whatever and he likes to hand catch them with like his hands. So so he would he likes to go down like swim down on the reefs and just stick his hands into holes and pull the groupers out with his hands. Okay. Yeah. And he's caught Mako sharks by his by hand before like free diving just catching Mako's by hand. What? Yeah. That he's nuts. Sounds way more dangerous than shooting a covia for bullshake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's I will not try to catch a Mako with my own hand. And on top of that, he does it wearing a leopard print speedo. Oh, that's right. That that does sound like many pretty have to say. Pretty cool. He's he's been bitten by four species of sharks, lemon shark, Mako shark, nurse shark and Mako lemon nurse. And one more I came in with the other one was but he said out of all the shark bites. He said the worst one was the nurse shark. Really? Yeah. He said because the nurse doesn't let go. But a nurse doesn't really have teeth though. It has teeth has crazy fucking teeth. But it's not going to like they're not going to rip off your arm. Right. But they haven't seen jaw pressure. Yeah. So they have like tiny like paper cuts. Right. Right. Well, it's so it's not going to kill you. Let's put it that way. Depending on how big the thing is. Yeah. I guess it doesn't drags you to bottom. And depending on where it bites you. But he said he got bit on the leg by a nurse shark. And it didn't there's like a five foot nurse shark. And it didn't let go. And he ended up ripping the nurse shark off because he had no other way to get it off. He said, I guess if you get bit you just leave it on, get out of the water and then kill the thing and then figure out how to get it off. But leave it on as it leave the shark on. So he let so he pulled the shark off his leg and it ripped a giant chunk out of his leg and he had to get a skin graft after that. Apparently the uh. Can we go go nurse shark at bites? Yeah. Find nurse shark bites. He said a yeah an human or something. He said a six foot nurse shark. They consume my models are bound to be bit by. He said a six foot nurse shark has the same jaw pressure as a thousand pound great white. And they probably need that jaw pressure because they don't have crazy teeth, you know, because they're smaller and they have smaller little serrated teeth. So they need to have that insane jaw pressure. Look at that. That's crazy. I don't know if it doesn't say what it is. I doubt it. I don't think that's too quick. No shark. Yeah, this seems to be the the the part that you get. Yeah, you're not gonna they're not gonna they're not gonna bite your leg off. But for whatever I mean look if I was bit by a shark I would pick that one. If I have to pick one doesn't want to pick it. Yeah, certainly. Yeah, you're certainly going to if you know what you're doing, you're even if the jaw pressure is much stronger. Yeah, I'm not going to go to great white. Right, right. Yeah, way more can go wrong with a Mako or a great white for sure. But pull up pull up one of the videos of Manipwig hand catching a Mako shark. It's his head. They're not they're not like he's not catching like thousand pound Makos with his hand. Obviously, we're just catching like four to five foot Makos with his hands and like taking him on rise and he's like riding with them like through the ocean. It's literally insane. All right, Manipost did it on his Instagram. Oh, this is the hand catch. Yeah, well, that's what it says. Okay. Yeah, hand catching Mako shark. 18 years ago back when he was in his prime. Well, it looks like it's the same footage that we saw. There he goes. Look. I got it. Give it a big hug. Look at that. He's holding on. Look at this. He scared. I guess like what? He's like, what the fuck is this maniac doing? I'm in a hug. Look at this. Harsie Nutscaid is going to turn around and bite him. I know, right? Can I just let's go? Oh my God. And then it restarts. So insane. Why? That's my question. I have no, I mean, obviously for for the camera, you know, this seems like a typical fuck around and find out scenario, but I guess he didn't. Yeah, well, but everywhere they go, whenever he goes on these trips, he bring, they bring tourniquets with them, you know, because they're, they're expecting to get bit and you don't want to lose a limb. So they got to have like we were talking to Andy Casagrandi the other day. He's the, he's the guy who shoots all the shark week stuff for Nageo and Discovery. Yeah. And he was explained to us like whenever they go on trips, he's got loads of tourniquets and all kinds of like medkits a little bit with them in case they, in case they get their arm or leg bitten off. There is a, have you heard of Coco Ireland? Coco Ireland. Oh no. So it's owned by Costa Rica. And it's very, you need to have a permit to go there. You not allow to free dive when you're there. If you get a permit to go there, it's extremely dangerous. It's a ton of people. They're not allowed to free dive. No, you can only find some on that. And there's a ton of people who, this is a terrible story. I don't even know if I'm allowed to tell a story. Tell it. That's pretty bad. It's okay. We've had someone on a trip there. This is bad. Anyway, somebody went on a trip there. And that's not it. No, it's owned by Costa Rica. Coco Ireland, not co-moreland. How do you spell it? Coco, like COCO island. COCO. And no AST, the COCO. Somebody got bitten by a shark and they were in a mission and it cost so much money to get there. We're like all the permits and all the camera and all that stuff. And they had to put the person in a freezer for the rest of the week. They had to do what? To put the person in a freezer for the rest of the week. Oh. Because it's so remote and so far away and a lot of people get bitten by sharks there and die. Is this it? Oh, Costa Rica. Yeah, zoom out. Whoa. He way off shore. Way off shore. Zoom in closer now. Costa Rica owns this. Where the hell's the island? I hidden behind the Oh, wait, that's it. It just looks like it's blending in with the ocean because it's under cloud cover. So this person was free diving. It happened to a lot of people. And so I don't know the freezer story. I don't know if that person was free diving. I know there is an influencer that died, that got bit by shark there. What kind of shark? Tiger? I don't know. I think there's a lot of tigers there. There's tons of sharks there. A lot of shark studies happen there. Really? And it's protected. Apparently you can see like, and you're rising, you can see the line of like the Chinese boat. No way. That's supposed to surprise it. International waters. Yeah. They were just fishing right on that line because it's so protected. So it must be kind of fishy. There's that many commercial boats out there. Yeah. Right. That makes sense. That's an interesting place there. Yeah. But yeah, you know, a lot of free life when you go there. Interesting. Because there's too many deaths. Because Costa Rica, it's like famously no shark attacks in Costa Rica. There's like one ever in history that I've heard of. I mean, this is so far off the coast. That's way off. Yeah, that's true. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. The thing about sharks is like, it's such a like a polarizing thing where, you know, everyone's terrified of sharks because of, you know, the jaws movie that came out. So it's kind of been baked into culture to everyone to be terrified as sharks is this boogie band. And, you know, then you have people that dive with sharks on Instagram all the time. Like the girl in Hawaii ocean, ocean Ramsey. And she dives with the these giant fat tiger sharks that are like, you could tell they're super well fed. And she's swimming with them. And she's like, look at this beautiful teddy bear. Isn't she gorgeous and all this stuff? And it's like, on one level, I'm like, yeah, I get it. Like, it's really cool that you're doing this. And you're able to swim with these fucking crazy beasts. But like, they're not teddy bears. They're fucking killing machines. But that's why not as a bunch of influencers just decides to go to Teghibition in the Bahamas and jump in the water. And then accident happens. It's not they're not honest. Then you don't want to demonize them and say, like, let's kill all of them. Right. But also you cannot tell people that they're innocent creatures. I think if everybody learned anything from the documentary, it was called Grizzly Man or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're wild animals. They're wild. The dog is a wild animal. I won't even leave my daughter alone with my dog and I had a 12 pound sausage dog. Yeah, they're opportunistic. They're predators that are opportunistic carnivores. So if they get the opportunity and they're hungry enough, they're going to eat you. They're not going to power you. For worst case scenario, they'd be like, hmm, what's that? I'm curious. Let's see how you taste. So it's not it's it's and also I think those encounters or realistic. So there is a lot of I watch the documentary and flex and look up. These are not they keep saying that they don't feed the shark. I'm calling bullshit. I've seen thousands of sharks in a while. I haven't seen a single one behaving like that. Like what? They don't come and chill around you and like, they don't do that. They don't give a shit about you. If you're fishing and they know you have fish, they're going to start swimming for netting cleaf for night, frantically, frantically around you. And then at some point is like, well, there's no fish. I'm out. Yes. They, they, they, they, they, they film that footage or like the answer can be pulling things like that. If you jump in a water and there's 10 sharks around you, those sharks have been fed. They're not. They're there because they're used to the people feeding them. Exactly. They're not curious enough that they're going to chill with you. Right. They're not that's just that's just not a thing. Right. Right. They feed the sharks. They get them fat and full. And the sharks are number one. They're used to them coming every day and feeding them. And number two, they're not hungry after they're fed. So you can go swim with them. These sharks that you see every day in the same spot, you know, and you're not, you're not finding some, you know, rogue juvenile shark that, you know, has no experience with humans and is not well fed. Yeah. And you're going to end up being like that guy off the coast of Egypt that got eaten a lot on camera. Exactly. It was so terrible. It was awful footage. That was a pregnant mother too, that shark. And they're going to go and kill the doctor. It's, I mean, they's basically four scenarios possible when you see a shark in a while. Right. You have, he's going to come and he's going to go straight out you and you're never going to see it coming. Right. Or you can have the as bad situation or actually probably less because he's going to try to charge you and he's going to get angry. But then he's going to leave. And then the third scenario is you're going to come because you have fish is going to get excited. It's going to hang around because he sees those fish after 10 minutes of there's no fish that, that thing has gone. Or you have another, the last scenario is you in the water, the shark is, the shark is going to come. He's going to check you out and he's going to leave. There is no scenarios in a while when you're going to be floating in the water and a shark is going to hang out. I'm sorry, but that, that never happened to me. I don't know anyone that it happened to. The shark will not hang out in the water unless there's food in the water. Right. Have you seen the footage of the drones that they have in Australia on the beaches where these guys are surfing? So there's a company. I'll text you a link to this company the other day, Steve. I blow a text and do this on Tuesday. There's these guys that are in Australia and they fly drones over the surf breaks where people are surfing. And basically because there's so many fucking great whites and tiger sharks out there they say, if a great white gets close to somebody, they have a way of alerting them with like flashing lights or they can make a noise or something like this. Look at this. Australia's $34 million shark drone program under under a $34 million initiative by the New South Wales state government, which rolled out on 1st of July, all 38 of Sydney's ocean beaches, including Kogi, now received on to dusk drone monitoring year round. 70 new South Wales beaches in total are a part of this program before a shark attack on a 34 year old Sydney teacher and mother, Leah Stewart in June, in which she lost an arm. Drone surveillance was not permitted in Kogi, Kogi, because it lies directly under the flight path from Sydney's airport, surf life, saving new South Wales drone operator, Tahha, Kafeel Hussein explains how the technology is helping keep the swimmers safe. And the footage is freaking nuts. There's guys that are like sitting on their surfboards and you see a shit, you're not an 18 foot monster, great white, swimming up, right up to the freaking guy at the surfing and like the great white you don't do anything. They're like circling them for a minute. The guy will notice it and then he'll like start paddling kind of like mildly frantically. Yeah. The shark doesn't do anything. Is there a clip of a shark next to a surfer? No, probably not. There's so many of them online. That's crazy. That's why I don't sorry if I like to see what's happening in the morning. And then we showed this one the other day of that old man swimming with the great white in Australia. This guy that's like 75 year old dude is just like swimming off the beach. You know, like lots of people say it's so crazy people do this in Hawaii too, where they just like they go like a hundred yards offshore at dusk and they just like swim for hundreds of yards just for like a daily exercise. At dusk. Crazy. No, thanks. But he was doing this and there's a drone above him and there's this giant 18 prop. I don't know, I remember maybe 12 to 15 foot great white swimming right up to him circling him. He sees it. And they interviewed him afterwards. He was like, dude, I saw this. Look at the footage. He's like, yeah, he's like, I saw it and he's like, I've been coming out here for my whole life and I thought that, you know, if this is my time to go. At least I'm going to go doing what I love. Totally oblivious. Yeah. This is not a good one. There's ones, there's like very high res shots of guys in like crystal clear water with massive great whites swimming right up to them. Just I've been Googled great white drone shot surfing. There's a guy in California, I don't think it's that's what it was. It's Malibu. Yeah. Yeah. The whole man was in California. There it is. California. No, this is a surfer. Yeah, but we can see this one's, that's not a huge great white. That's probably a good 12 footer. No, maybe like eight footer. This guy has no idea. So he tries to like dive the drone down to alert him. Look at this. I think he saw it now. Goodness. Okay. Now he has to see him. Okay. Yeah. Now he's going. He's had water. Look. No, he's, look. He's following him. And he just turns away. That is not a good behavior. He's here shot. But in a way. But there's not hundreds of these videos of these great whites checking out these surfers. And they don't get bit. Yeah. You know, how you seen the video of McFanning during the surf contest in South Africa? Yes. Where the great white like pulls on his leash, knocks him off the board. That's crazy. That's insane. He got lucky. Oh, it happens. And it's true. Most of the time they don't do anything. But it's, I don't know. Humans have an obsession with domesticated everything around them. So they have to grab them. They have to grab their fins and touch them and things like that. Like they want. Humans wants to domesticate everything. Instead of just letting them be, that's why I don't really like the ocean Ramsey approach because of that. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's also a great way to get attention online, swimming with deadly fucking sharks. True. You know, 18-foot tiger sharks, you're literally swimming them like face-to-face with them. That's a good way to get engagement on Instagram. Yeah. That was insane. I was watching this live when it happened. He got lucky because the shark was probably like checking him out and accidentally got caught in his leash and pulled him off his board and the shark got freaked and got out of there. Yeah. I think that's probably what happened to him. But like, you know, the other weird thing about- You wouldn't have waved, you can't see him anymore. You can't see him anymore. You forgot. Then he starts like swimming full speed towards the beach. See? I'm looking at him. He is swimming for his life. He's like, "Fuck this." With Jetski comes and gets him. So this dude Andy, we just had on the podcast. He went to go take photos of him in Australia like a week after that happened. That's crazy. So he was like, he was only surfing like the week after that in Australia. They're fascinating creatures, but it's funny that I think they probably get the most fascination out of- there's way more people that die probably by rattlesnakes every year. Yeah. Grilly bears not a thing, but you don't see, I don't know, people are absolutely fascinating into the sharks. Yeah. But it's like, also, most people are on land. Like with those statistics about lightning strikes and car accidents, like, yeah, obviously there's way more of those. But you got to adjust it for like all the people. that are in the ocean every day. I don't know how many people are in the ocean every day, but like out of all those people, how many of them get bit by sharks, but she was a higher percentage. And there's also certain parts, there's certain beaches that are synonymous with people getting eaten, not just like investigative bites or like accidental bites, but people getting literally devoured, limb for limb by sharks. - I will, the Egypt guy will. - The Egypt one was the worst one ever. - It was gonna live run free in my head for the rest of my life, I don't think anybody who's had a footage is ever gonna forget it. - No, no, I'll know. - And his mom is calling him. - He's dead. - He's like, "Dad, mom, help." - And then the shark comes up and just takes his head under. - That's little. - But also that happened literally a couple days before that, like a hundred yards down the same beach. - Really? - Yeah, that was like the second or third time someone had been killed, but no, maybe the person before it got their leg bitten off, but there was at least two or three Tiger Shark attacks where like it was a catastrophic injury leading up to that. And then what they found out was that specific location, that there was a pier there where boats were loading up sheep carcasses and dumping sheep carcasses. Yeah, you can look this up to you where there was, at this beach in Egypt, they were loading up sheep carcasses on these boats and taking them, I don't know how far off shore, probably not far, and just dumping them. So that was probably a huge part of that. - So we got the shark interested in a different type of meat? - Yeah, no, Steve, this was like three years ago. - Yeah, it was. - Yeah, I don't know, but like-- - I wonder if it was the same shark that ate the same people. - It probably was, I would imagine. It was a pregnant shark. And there was footage of the sharks swimming around that pier earlier that day, and the guys were filming it. So she was probably really hungry. And there had been sheep carcasses being dumped off the beach right there. And that guy was just in the wrong fucking place at the wrong time. - That's crazy. - Yeah. - I mean, I don't know, everybody I know who got bit by a shark had happened in the Bahamas. - Yeah, I heard a lot of crazy stories in Bahamas. - So it's, I don't know if-- - Yeah. - I mean, there's less carcasses being thrown in the water and Bahamas probably didn't afford it with the last people. - Yeah. - What's happening in Bahamas at the beginning, so-- - I don't know, I heard that the worst sharks, shark attacks I've heard of in the Bahamas are on those pig beaches. Where those pigs are on land. You know, where people go take photos of the pigs in the water. - In the zoom, really. - Yeah, in the zoom, yeah. - Interesting. - And the one that I recently heard of was a girl that was swimming just like jumped off the boat at one of those pig beaches there, and a great way, just like eight or not a great way, a tiger shark. - A tiger shark. - Yeah. - So people that I know that got bit in the Bahamas, it was always the same story. It was they weren't a water. They had a fish in their hand, and they were talking to somebody in the boat. - Really? - And they could get bit from behind. Yeah, which is why I went into Bahamas, one of the biggest advice that people is as soon as you have a fish, you holding it up outside of the water until you get to the boat. - Oh. - You don't just hang out like this. - With a stringer on your waist. - You definitely never do a stringer in Bahamas. That's insane. (laughing) - Yeah, I'm scared to do it around here. I have a lot of friends who still do it. I did it all the time when I was young, but I haven't done it in years, just because. - I wouldn't do it here either, not right now. - Yeah. - It's been so sharp. The last five years has been so sharky here. - Mm-hmm. - There's some summers, and I remember diving here, and we got chased out of every single spot we went to. - Really? - Yeah, especially in shallower water. - Interesting. - I mean, we do, it's probably very controversial, but we have a power head on my belt. - Oh yeah. - Same thing that if I went camping in Alaska, would have a gun with me. - Right, so a power head, I feel I don't know, is basically like a shotgun shell that you put on the end of a spear, of a spear gun. And usually we use those for like glyth groupers, right? It's for glyth groupers or sharks from what I've heard. - Yeah, I mean, I don't see why you would do that in a glyth grouper, but it usually doesn't kill them. It hurts them pretty bad. - Right. - But yeah, it's kind of like, yeah, having it gone on your belt because you're going remote camping in a grizzly area. That's in my opinion, it's this morning to do. - Very smart thing to do, yeah. - But then yeah, it's like we said earlier, you know, when you have the whole period of like, will you in a shark's habitat? So if a shark's YouTube, it's fair enough. And that's a craziness of social media. I know what I've done with my life. If one day I get eaten by a shark, I know that thousands of people are probably going to message my parents and my sister, tell them a piece of shit and I deserved it. And that I'm a horrible human being. And it's, yeah, it's hard to think about that. But I know that people, there's if something happens to me spearfishing, that's what will happen to my family. My husband is going to be told it's good for him. - Yeah, but the thing is that's like, that's not like the, that's not the sentiment of most people. That's like a very low percentage of just like psychologically unwell people. - I think it would be the majority of comments. - Yeah, but the problem with comments is you can't, it's not a, it's not a, like an accurate slice of the people that are watching that stuff that are consuming your content. Most people, I've left maybe five comments on YouTube videos in my life. And if I ever, if I, most of those, all those comments were like in support of the person 'cause they were my friend, like saying, you know, like, fuck yeah, this is awesome or whatever. I've never left a negative comment on a YouTube video in my life. And I don't think I know anyone personally who has either. Most of the people that, that spend their lives on the internet leaving negative YouTube comments are people that are just like stuck in a miserable existence and are trying to fucking get attention one way or the other, or the other. And they're piling on to something else. Just, they're not normal. They're not, it's not like, it's not a real human interaction. You know, people, those people never say that to your face. Those people don't really mean that. - I mean, actually, I had a conversation about this with Joe Rogan and because I was like, sometimes, I just like, it's hard, you know, you get called a bunch of names by people and it's just, you have to be really solid mentally to handle that. - Yeah. - And he was like, how much followers you have and I can't remember how much I had then, but it's like, do you know how many people who would fill an arena with 200,000 people? - Right. - And then you pay attention to the dumbass that are fun, who's like, you're fucking ass or whatever. It's like, why are you doing that? It's 200,000 people here to see you. - Yes. - Stop focusing of the idiot who has something she had to say. - Yeah. - And I was like, - 200,000 people, that's two football arenas. - Yeah, that's a ton of people. - If there's 200 people talking shit, like, who cares? That's like a small minority of people who like, they aren't being genuine. They're just trying to get attention by saying some fucking outrageous thing. - But I guess that's not how people are wired. It's just, I mean, if you, everybody tells you you look awesome and you new dress. And one person is like, "Ah, this is gonna make you look fat." The only thing that's gonna stay in your mind is that shit, I look fat on my dress. Nobody's gonna focus on the 19 out of positive one. - Yeah. - That's the only one who's gonna stick it yet is gonna be that one. But I think a big part of that problem too, and this is just a theory that I have is, I think that with the money comes to environment and stuff like that, and like that bitch of surgeon, 'cause she's just got eaten by a shark and she's been killing fish. I think that with the decline of religion and Western countries, I think a lot of people replace that purpose with eco-activism. - 100%. - And I think that it gives them such a purpose to like show up for the weeks. And they think that it's their life mission or all of a sudden. And it's the one they see somebody like, "Oh my gosh, she's hunting deer, although they eat steaks." And they go by steak at a grocery store, or she's like, they think that it's my duty to come into this page and say, "You're a horrible person, "that poor dude did nothing to you." And it's like some of the pig that you just bought a pack of bacon that came from. But because you put them in their face, they fill this self-righteousness of, I need to defend something. - Yes. - That's the purpose that people will give themselves. - Yes. - And I was guilty of that from many years and by looking at a lot of my own opinions and my own behavior, I manage a lot to challenge that. I don't always succeed. Sometimes I do have preconceived ideas and things like that. When I see a boat with 2000 fish in it, my first reaction would be like, "Well, you shouldn't do much fish." Give it a second, no, it's not. Think about that. - Yeah, 100%. No, you're totally right about that. People try to, we have that human beings have that god-shaped hole in their psyche where they have to fill it with something. If it might not be religion, might not be God, maybe it's fucking climate change or maybe it's science or whatever type of activity. activism or thing that they believe in that gives them more meaning. And it becomes like a tribal thing. People do it with UFOs. There's people that treat UFOs like it's their religion. Like, we're going to find out there's definitely aliens, the government's hiding aliens. This is what it is. Like, they literally, they turn these things into their entire identity. And I think that's just something that's built into human beings. Yeah, I mean, we all need a purpose and sadly, I think that we, I think that people haven't found the healthy replacement to religion. Yeah. And I think that's that. Well, I think it's technology. I think it's technology. That's a big problem with that. A terrible replacement. Yeah. Well, the problem, the biggest problem with it is it keeps people stuck inside. You know, everything is based on the entire economy is based on convenience. Yeah. You know, you got to order your Caesar salads. It's going to be delivered by a robot on wheels, you know, for $28. And it's just like this, this society that we've built based on technology where that's like the, the one thing that governs every aspect of our lives from our phones to like our computers. I can barely escape it. You know, I sit in here and I make videos on YouTube for a living. So it's like, a lot of the things I pay attention to every day, like in the news and like being educated on stuff, like what you talk about is like I'm attached to technology and people that work fucking shitty jobs and are working paycheck to paycheck, like they're stuck in this rat race and they don't have the opportunity to, to break out of it. So it's like, when are you going to find the opportunity to go out on a boat and go jump in the ocean or go out into the woods and go hunt an animal or even just go on a fucking vacation, just go on a cruise, you know, a lot of people don't have that luxury. So they're just, they're stuck in this, in this miserable existence and they have, they buy our, buy design, we have to find some, some sort of thing, whatever it is to feel, to fill that. Yeah. Find something and it's probably not the most ideal thing and it makes them very emotional. Yeah. Yeah. Have you read the book? Why good people divided up politics and religion? No. Fantastic book. It explains why the good people, why are good people divided by politics and religion? Politics and religion. It's a fantastic book. It explains why the human being, what do you argue with people pretty much on how you get so adamant about things? Although, yeah. Do you down? You probably don't even give a shit. Right. Exactly. Oh, it's by Jonathan Heyde. Yeah. Oh, no shit. Yeah, he's great. I'm a rich fan of his. This is a fantastic book. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's the same thing. People, like, exactly. People fill their identities. They make politics their religion, whether they're Democrat or they're Republican, whether they fucking love Trump or they love fucking Obama. You know, they make that like politics and sports. But I love the Tim Dillon joke. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. It's like people like get into politics. They're not like, you don't really want to model your life after a politician. You know, like, these people aren't that interesting. Politics is like one of the grossest industries. Let's change this. It's one of the grossest industries in modern times where like, these people are trying to win a popularity contest, you know, and basically nothing ever changes. Yeah. Like, why would you want to base your identity off one of these groups of people? Is this such a weird thing? But it's also you get so you do not have critical thinking anymore. And one of the very fascinating takeaway from this book was that, okay, let's say you have a situation and I'm going to try to pick a topic, whatever, like, vehemently disagreed with that. And let's say, you know, let's see something real controversial here. Abortion. Abortion. Perfect. There you go. I'm a woman. Whatever I think everybody has the right to choose. That's my personal stance, if you four, four, whatever you think. And it's something that I extremely believe my whole life. It's the culture of Canada too. And I was like, if you asked me 10 years ago, somebody is against abortion. I was like, that person is fucking stupid. I was like, there's no way you can actually think that. And then I was like, okay, you know what? This is my stance, but doesn't mean that having a stance doesn't mean that you cannot understand somebody else's stance. So I was trying to look at different opinions that was against what I was thinking. And let's say somebody who says, well, by example, well, I was an accident. And my mom taught about aborting, but she didn't. So if she did, then that wouldn't exist. So that's a reason why you can be. And like, you know what? It's, I believe in you, mom is right, but I understand your point of view. And I think it's a massive difference that people stop doing is there's a difference between understanding a point of view and agreeing to a point of view. Right. It doesn't make you less solid on your point to understand somebody else's point of view. Right. You easily say, okay, you're religious by example, and like, you're very pro-life. And for you not believing in something like abortion is very deep into your core and your value. I understand that. Right. Instead of just being like, I disagree. So like, you're a fucking moron. Right. And I think people need to be a little bit better at that. Even if it's something that's really, really important to you. And that's a big problem. That's a good question. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. The things that Jonathan Heyte is like famous for pointing out how social media is one of the biggest things that's responsible for that. And like the division, the division and how like the algorithms have put us into these echo chambers to where like if you like specific content, like the way I like shark content, I only get fed shark shit. Like if you like. But you see Australia just, they just, they force meta to give you an option. You can opt out of algorithm now. What? And Australia. I saw that a couple of days ago on the internet. I saw something about they had to pay a lot. I saw something that meta had to now, they have to restrict kids access to Instagram. That was the first step. Now you can opt out of the algorithm, which I think is good. It's like, let's say I follow you, right? Yeah. And then I don't know. You don't get any of my content. I don't mention your name for a year and all of a sudden you're never going to be my feet ever again. Right. And I'm like, wait a minute. Like, I want to know what you're up to and why Facebook the Instagram decided that I'm going to allow to know what's going on with your life anymore. If I choose to follow you because I want to know what's going on in your life, who are you to tell me that? No, sorry. Here's this influencer for Germany who's showing off freaking handbags today. Like, why? This is not what I picked. Right. Right. No, it's all, the algorithms are just based off making money. It's all it is. It's so terrible. YouTube works because YouTube wants to keep people engaged on YouTube as long as possible. That's their number one thing they care about. They don't give a shit about it. They give a shit about anything. It's keeping people on YouTube. So that's why if you're watching YouTube video about one thing, you're going to have that entire sidebar of stuff that's, according to our algorithm, is most likely going to get you to watch that, something related to that next and keep you on the site. Yeah. But see the people you subscribe to. On the other end, everybody that I know that it has a fishing channel on YouTube that got screwed so badly by YouTube and their views plummeted and what was their main income, not it can't live on it anymore because they don't make any money because one is a fish being killed or something being killed. YouTube decides that this should not be part of the algorithm and it makes it extremely hard for content creators who build an entire career on something. And I can think about my friend Lauren and my friend Kelly. They've been having super cool channels for a long time. They worked so hard for their channels and to make really good stuff and I'll do YouTube just decided that fishing content, no, sorry, you're killing something, it's a fending people. So you out of it. When did this happen to them? That was, I think two, three years ago, maybe really. Yeah. And they're in the US? Yeah, and they're in the US. And they were just posting like spear fishing videos. Yeah. And I think one of my friends who is called, what's this company name, black tip fish. Oh, I know black tip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were just launching one of their clips earlier. So he said like out of the blue, his views just start going down and down and down and down and down and down. And there's nothing you can do to put them out. That's so pretty. And it was super successful. Well, sudden, YouTube decides that we're putting the plug. Yeah. Too bad for you. That's one of the crazy, that's one of the most fucked up things about these platforms. Is they can literally like, turn down your reach behind the scenes and not tell you about it. Like they can't say, hey, you violated this policy, fix it, or this is going to happen to you. They can do it without even notifying you. They basically like, turn the volume down on your content so less people see it. And that's fucking criminal if you ask me. Yeah. And when Mark Zuckerberg went in a Rogan podcast and he said, and Rogan asked him point blank, like, is this such a thing a shadow band? And he said, no, that's not true. We don't do that. We say that. And I'm like, now I have people that, when they type my name, let's say you follow me and you type Valentine, I should pop up, right? And then there has people that they had to type every single like, they had to type Valentine, Thomas, all the way to. I said, "DN, otherwise, my name wouldn't pop up." And even then, I would be like, at a bottom of the list. Although that person follows me, they decide who you get in front to. And sadly, when you kill stuff, you are at a bottom of the footing. - Yeah, they apply their own intent to it. And they think that killing stuff is animal cruelty. - That's crazy. That's so hypocritical. It's actual, it actually is mind numbing how fucking dumb that is. They control everything. And they hide beyond the fact that - But based on the fact that you kill animals. Like, you're a girl who goes out and hunts fish on your own. You're not dragging 70 kilometer nets and like mass slaughtering animals. You don't have a factory where you're slaughtering like thousands of thousands of chickens every day. You're doing it the way that it's supposed to be done. Like the most humane way possible. But it's upsetting for people, so people, but. - Because people are so disconnected from it. Like it's just. - But I have to say, you're not interested. And that's it. So that's what is the thing happening in Florida and in Australia. I think it's good. I mean, I don't know. Anybody. - So go back, let's read that Australia news, Steve. Australia targets out algorithmic social feeds as it looks to hit big tech harder. Okay, let's read the first part of it. Australia plans to give social media users the ability to switch off algorithm-based feeds in proposed legislation, making the latest move by governments and regulators to reign in big tech this year. Prime Minister Anthony Al-Bani's government said Tuesday that it's proposing the my feed, my way initiative. That's awesome. Which would force social media platforms to allow users over the age of 16 to either opt into having a feed that recommends personalized content on an algorithm popped out by an algorithm or opt out so they can see content from the friends and creators that use it with. That is fucking incredible. - Now it's pretty much just on, I've seen on Facebook and political content. - You see what I get. - Like a YouTube guy who's like, he's like, yeah, like Orange Retail it should be released type of stuff. Then that's gonna give me. - Yeah. - When it's super political. - Yeah. - They'd sometimes they give you an option we can say I'm interested. - Oh yes, yes. - And then you can. - Right. - Well they have done a few times and they keep popping up. - Yeah. - So it's bullshit. So saying social media companies that failed to comply could face up to $109 million Australian dollars equivalent to 79 million US dollars. Which is absolutely, which is nothing to them. That's like one second of revenue for YouTube. - I mean, don't it just had like a billion dollar fine or something stupid? - Who did? - Meta. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. What, what, hang on, scroll down. It's not about giving government control. It's about giving people control. Right, well you're giving them the option, right? It's like, it's keeping these people in fucking check. Like it's, the worst part about the algorithm is like you're hijacking the dopamine system where it's like this dopamine slot machine where it happens to me. It happened to me this morning. Or I've said, I got a notification on Instagram. And once I click on it, it's just like, before I know what it's 20 minutes goes by, I'm like, fuck, you know? And if you could turn off the algorithm, that would probably stop a lot of that shit. - Yeah, I'll try not to have my phone in bed. I moved my phone to the bathroom. So that's where it charges overnight. So when I'm in bed and I can't do it-- - You put it in the bathroom. Well, that's good. Because you probably don't get all the-- - Electromagnetic frequencies from your phone. - I know that too. - I started seeing yellow dots on the side of my head. Yellow dots on the side, in like in your visual field. - Yeah. And then when I started plugging my phone the bathroom, they went away. - Really? - So I was like, I was like, I don't know, does this kind of weird? So no, thank you. - Yeah, that's very weird. - I will definitely keep my phone away from my face. - We got this, I got this EMF reader, which measures electromagnetic frequencies. And we scanned my whole house. Because apparently, for people I've heard, talk to you that you can get, there's like lots of negative health side effects of like being around last high electromagnetic frequencies. Like if you're around like cell phone towers or certain things. So we measured every room in our house. And we found out that like near the baby monitors it was off the charts, like in the millions of, I forget the waves, some sort of kill, they measured it in something like wave or volt or whatever. - Was it the one that was connected in a Wi-Fi? Or the one that was not connected in a Wi-Fi? And is there a difference? - You talking about the baby monitor? - Yeah. - It was not Wi-Fi. - Not Wi-Fi? - Yeah, it's where like, it's where you have the app on your phone or you can have the one where you have like the other monitor that you have next to your bed. But like, so my wife would keep the baby, her baby monitor on her nightstand, right? I should keep it on like a little level, everybody was on. Like right next to her head, the amount of electromagnetic frequencies coming out that thing was cooking her like a fucking microwave. So we got rid of that. And so the baby monitors were the worst. So if you have a baby monitor, keep it on the other side of the room, or you can use the baby monitor thing, what she started doing was using the baby monitor app. So the camera is in the baby's room and she just opens the app on her phone, plugs it in and just leaves it open on the low volume at night. So in case the baby crotch can hear it, that way you don't get all those crazy EMFs. But yeah, that freaked the fuck out of me. - Is that the same thing in the camera and where it's only in the monitor and? - I think it was only on the monitor end. I don't think it was that bad on the camera. - It's literally next to my pillow. My baby monitor. - Yeah, it's cooking you. - How far does it have to be? - So at least from here to where that TV is, I would move it away. If it's the baby monitor. - So I have to get up every time I need to. - But you can buy one of those things are pretty cheap. It's there on Amazon, type in EMF, EMF reader. Yeah, it's definitely worth it, going around your house, those things. And so yeah, the worst, the highest EMFs were on the baby monitors. And also power strips, I had a power strip right under my side of the bed, that's it right there. There's like a thousand different types. But yeah, 40 bucks, 50 bucks, those things. They're great. - 'Cause I know people who have an automatic settings under Wi-Fi and they just connect it from like 11 to 5 a.m. Something, oh, where the Wi-Fi goes out. - Yeah. - Yeah, we got rid of a lot of the Wi-Fi shit in the house. And I think it's worth it. I don't know, it's hard to think. It's one of those things where it's like invisible, so you don't really think about it. It's like one of those, one of those things, like you can control to a degree of like the shit you eat, right? - And what's the science of how bad it is on you? - There's not much science. So what it does is electromagnetic frequencies, they open up the blood brain barrier. - Okay. - It allows toxins or any kind of bad things that get into your bloodstream or like mainly like environmental toxins or anything like that that get in your body. The blood brain barrier is very important from eliminating that from entering your brain. So what the EMS do is they open their scientific evidence, they've studied this in rats, where it does open up the blood brain barrier. So any kind of toxins in your body will get into your brain if you have an extreme exposure to EMS. - Oh my God. - So anything going on in this world, that's not bad for you. - Well, that's crazy 'cause it's ubiquitous. It's everywhere. - It's everywhere, everything. - They're putting 5G towers on hotels. All, if you drop up and down the beach here, they like try to hide them on top of hotels, where they paint in the same color as the hotel, and I'm sure they're paying the hotels rent to keep them there, but it's inescapable. I mean, everything you eat is bad, everything is in the air is bad, everything. - Yeah, it's not that bad. If you get one of those readers and go around your house, it's likely just gonna be bad around like power strips or baby monitors, it's the worst. So that's crazy. - So I'm trying to take a lot of those things with a grain of salt, both of my grandmothers live to 100 and 104. - No way. - And they both have very different lives. - On both sides. - On both sides. - That's incredible. - And one of them, the French ones, she drank every day, red wine. And she had a little cognac, 'cause she's from cognac. - And 104. - That one lived through 100. And she ate well though, because she lived in France, and she went to the market. That's how she get her food and stuff like that, and she lived in a countryside. And her body gave up. And she was mining clay until the end. And then my grandmother and my mom's side, who lived to 104, she ate a lot of processed food. They didn't drink too much, which was eating like, you know, like, the lipid powder soup and like, all that type of stuff. And her body kept going when her mind declined first. And it's kind of, I always find it's interesting to see like two very different person and living it two very different. - Where did they live? - One in France said it won a Montreal. - Okay. Yeah, the human body is really resilient. Most of that, I think most of it's genetics, you know, as much as it's scary, like all the EMFs and all the food shit and all like the toxic stuff that you hear about, like the microplastics and all that kind of stuff is scary as that is. And I don't know if it's really gonna alter your lifespan that much if you're like generally healthy. You know, as long as you're not like 500 pounds overweight and completely staying inside 24/7 and not getting any exercise, like I can see how that, like co-morbidities can stack up. But if you're generally healthy, I think the human body is a lot more resilient than we give a credit for. True. There's people, I've heard stories, people living into their hundreds of smoke cigarettes every day, you know, like smoke a pack of cigarettes a day living forever. I know a freaking guy who's like way overweight and smokes two packs of new ports a day. And like he got a full health screening and he's got like a super strong heart. He's in great shape. He looks like shit. He looks like he's about to die any minute now. But he's like by all metrics, he's like super healthy and his dad lived to like 110. That's crazy. So yeah, I think it probably has a lot to do with genetics. I think definitely if you have by genetics you have to work harder. Yeah. For sure, like this is a, I had a really big fight with my dad during COVID. 'Cause he was super like, like you have to respect everything and like COVID is gonna kill everybody and things like that. And I remember I was getting super angry because I kept working, I kept traveling, I kept doing my thing and I was like, look if I catch it, I catch it. Right. I caught it a bunch of times. And, but at some point, but I told him, I'm a good man in him. I was like, you are in your late '60s, early '70s and you don't exercise. Right. So I'm like, if you're looking for a potential to kill you, maybe look into closer things. Yeah. Then being scared about COVID stuff. He's been doing Pilates, we funny. Awesome. I'm so excited. He's like in a senior Pilates. That's funny. Yeah, COVID broke a lot of people. That broke a lot of people's brains. They just, people didn't know how to handle that. That was probably one of the most divisive moments in my lifetime in the country. You know, people were more divided on that than anything I can remember. I was, yeah, Quebec was very intense. Extremely intense. Yeah. It was like very, very, very strict. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But I think it opened a lot of people's eyes on their own health situation and modification that needed to be done. And hopefully that was good for that. Yeah, it's just, you got to be skeptical, especially in this country, with anything the government tries to shove down your throat. That's just my perspective. For sure. And it's even everything, even women and pregnancy these days. That's, you know, it's one I turn. Oh god, what's her name? Lindsay Clancy. You see that? That's, that's a. That's like one fucking crazy. I'm glad that it opened a debate on the gravity of postpartum depression. Yeah. I'm not saying that she does not deserve jail. I'm not saying it all. But I think it opens a lot of people's eyes on how I have a friend. She's the sweetest, nicest little human being ever. Never gets mad, nothing. And once she had her, I think her second baby, she called her husband at work. And she said, you need to change the code on the safe. Because I'm at home and I don't trust myself right now. I'm having weird fucking dark thoughts. Wow. And her husband was like, what? So what are you talking about? Like a good, like zero aggression and her zero, like, and completely out of character. And went that deep. Wow. And it's it's, I didn't have that. But it's, it's really showing you how horrible it can be. Yeah. I mean, if it was postpartum depression and really that she was having and it made her kill her three kids. Yeah. Jesus. That's like psychopath level. Psychopath level. It's hard to comprehend. It really is. It's hard to fucking imagine. But some people just weren't meant to have kids. A lot of people just have kids by accident. And they never really wanted kids. And it's kind of like, here I am. This is what I'm supposed to do, I guess. I guess we got to figure it out like everyone else. But maybe they, you know, like some people just, I believe some people just weren't meant to have kids. Some people don't have that motherly instinct. Sure. But also I don't think it's also, I don't think anybody could really walk up to people say like, you know what? Hey, how are you? By the way, I regret having my kids. Of course. Right. Right. Yeah, totally. You kind of have to keep it to yourself. Yeah. Right. A little bit. So we don't really hear about it. I joke about it with my wife all the time. Because I never had any desire to have kids when I was younger. I was like, I just want to like do my thing, like have my career travel. Like, I'm not a kid person. My wife was the opposite. She was like, ever since she was young, she's like, I always want to be a mom. I want to be a housewife. I want kids. I want to raise kids. But with a lot of them, I was like, that's weird. You don't really talk to finding many girls who say that out loud. Like this was when I met her in like 2011. And like I couldn't have lucked out any better. Because now that we have kids, it's just like the best situation ever. Like I'm, she fucking loves being a mom more than anyone. She, when we have friends, she has friends that have kids that are just like, it's so funny to see the difference between my wife and like some of her friends where they're just like, like my fucking kid's so annoying, like I just can't wait. They're finding every excuse. Like I'm going to, some of them are like, I need to get a job again because I need, I don't want to spend any more time with my kids. Like they want to go back to getting a nine to five and find a nanny to raise their kids because they just, they don't, they weren't cut out for it. You know, and it's like, for my wife, it's all she wants to do is be around the kids. Of course she gets annoyed by them like anyone does and you need your time away. You need your alone time. But, you know, to see the difference in people and, and how they feel about taking care of and raising spending time with kids is, it's really interesting to me, you know. And um, I think your age also probably plays a big, yeah for sure. Like it's much harder to have a kid when you're older than when you're younger. That's also going to be a big problem. Totally. Like when I was 25, three hours of sleep, no problem. I'm kicking the following eight life is good. Right. Now if I slept three hours, I'm not doing too well. Right. Right. But you don't get the choice, right? You have no choice. You have no choice. Yeah. But like, yeah, I don't know this whole Lindsey, the Lindsey Clancy thing is just like, it's like all, it's like all, it's everywhere. It's all, I feel like everyone's talking about that. Everyone's consumed by our right now. And it's like, it's very strange, it's a very strange situation. But it's like, it's just, I always wonder, like sometimes I put my tinfoil hat on. And I'm like, why is this happening right now? When there's all this stuff happening around the world, like all these like crazy wars that people are protesting and all this, you know, corruption and politics and all this stuff. And like, we have this weird, like super divisive moment that shouldn't be that divisive. You know, where you have people just like battling it out on the internet and it's taking over all the feeds. People that are just like, you got to take something, you got to go home. Well, sorry, it's my, it's my nanny. Oh, is it? Go ahead. Call the nanny back. Sorry about that. Yeah. I do have a nanny. Yeah, especially when you're out of town for a week fishing. Yeah, no. I'm still at the house though. You what? I'm at the house. What do you mean? You're at the house. I spent the day at the house with nanny. Oh. So we just help each other. Oh, when you're home. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's great. It's the perfect balance. We do the same thing. You can step out. Do your thing. Do come back. Exactly. And like, it's perfect. Like, I can go to my, I can go to grocery store. Exactly. Without a kid. Yes. You need your, you need your alone time. Exactly. Too much, too much time being surrounded by little people will drive anyone insane. Especially like going to the gym or 100% things like that 100%. I spend the whole summer with my kid and I without the nanny. And it's, that's probably one of the hardest things for me as becoming a mom and getting married after, because I spend the last 10 years traveling the well in my own. Yeah. Yeah. And whenever I want it, and then I'll sit in them. I have responsibilities towards people, towards a husband and towards a kid. And it sits, I was like, you know what, I'm pregnant. I want to enjoy a summer alone with my kids. Yeah. We can't actually do that. And that was, it was hard for me. It was not to have a single moment from the time you wake up all the way to when you go the bed by the time you put to bed. You know watching Netflix. You're not watching a movie. You're like, you're done. And you do it again and again and again and again and again. It was, uh, yeah, that was about the time I actually stopped fear of spearfishing when I had my first head. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, you don't have the freedom anymore. Yeah. So spearfishing, you leave early and you, I'm sorry, it's calling back. Yes. And have a Spanish 92. Spanish too. That's crazy. How many languages do you speak? I had to. I became fluent because I spent my whole day with a Spanish name. So I had to learn Spanish. That's how you learned. Yeah. Over the last two years. Yeah. And I'm completely fluent. Just by having a Spanish name. I mean, I was speaking Spanish all day long to somebody who didn't speak a word of English, nothing. Did you do anything else to try to supplement it? Did you like do a lingo? What is it? Do a lingo? What's that? The app? Oh, I've heard of it. That's it. I mean, it's the best thing you can do. Speak every day. So for eight hours a day, I had to explain. Aggressive. Yeah. I've been living around Spanish people my whole life and I still can't speak fucking licking Spanish. But you have the option of not speaking, I'm not speaking Spanish. You know, when I spend in my house, eight hours a day with somebody who's, and her ability of learning English, I don't know why I'm a word. Absolutely zero. Absolutely zero. Not even a word. I was trying to teach her some words and she like, like, great. She was like, great. I was like, no, great. And like, she couldn't. So I was like, all right. How long's Spanish? So freaking crazy. Great. That's a good. What was your first language? French. Yeah. So you were raised to learn French when you were a kid. Yes. And then how old were you when you learned English? About 21 when I moved to the UK. I wonder if it was easier for you to learn Spanish because you already were able to jump from one language to another. I think it was easier for me to learn Spanish because I speak French. Oh really? You think French is more compatible with Spanish? Yeah. So they're both Latin languages. So there's a lot of words that are very similar. French is a Latin language. Yeah. Why did I not know that? And let's say that. I know that most languages are divided into like two or three. Did you know French is a Latin language, Steve? No, not specifically. So it doesn't try to make me look dumb already. And French, a table is feminine. And French is also a feminine. Oh, no way. But there's a lot of resemblance because of that. So that's interesting. So when you learn Spanish, did you like, when you do these language, when you try to learn new languages, you usually try to compare one word in one language to another word in another language, right? So you're trying to figure out what does table mean? Tabla, table. Where are you going from French to Spanish? Or are you going from English to Spanish? English to Spanish. Yeah. I use a lot of Google translate and I would make myself, instead of just showing it, I was reading it to her. So that helped a lot. So instead of being like, okay, just read this or like press play and then Google translate it for her. I was reading it. So she didn't understand. I have to repeat it until I pronounce it good enough. The way you were just rattling that sentence off to her sounded like you been speaking Spanish your whole life. That's why I'm like, thank you. I mean, that's crazy. It's funny because my husband speaks Spanish. So now it's your turn. You should learn French. And no, so far not so good. That's fascinating. Wow. Well, we just said crazy three hour podcast. So thank you. That was fun. That's awesome. Thank you for having me. We've told about so many things. Yeah, we did. We covered all the bases for sure. Tell people where they can learn more about your stuff and follow all your social media stuff and all that. Just my Instagram, Valentine Thomas. Okay. And that's it. You got any cool, like, are you working on any like documentaries or projects or anything in the future? No, I've been scaling back. Yeah. The, especially because I'm pregnant. And let's see. I've been kind of warning down out of social media. Okay. I still respond to people as much as I can because I think if you take the time to send me a message, I try to answer questions and things like that. But it's, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do next year. I don't know yet. It's, it's, I kind of find that spending my whole career depending on comments and like is probably not for me. Mm-hmm. So out of, out of, I don't know. Yeah. Let's see. We're good for you. I want you to do with kids too. Right. I've been showcasing my life for the last 15 years. Not have kids. Why do I put my kids in there? Right. I don't know. Well, that's cool. That's brave. Let's see. Cool. Well, we'll look at all your stuff below. And thanks again. That was fun. Of course. Thank you. Oh, we have Patreon stuff. No. No, we do have one question from Timothy Barry. It's right up there. Okay. So you know what Patreon is? So we have people that pay us to get like early access to our episodes and we let them ask like specific questions to the guests. I mean, usually do them like after the show, but we only have one. We'll just do it right here. So this guy says, for sustainable fishing, what can ordinary fishermen do to help? Very broad commercial fishermen. For sustainable fishing, what can ordinary fishermen do to help? Should I be like recreational fishermen? Yes. Recreation. Just respect the rules. Yeah. All of them are as much as possible. Yeah. Sometimes you don't disagree with it, but yeah, I guess, but it'd be saved and sorry. They finally put recreational into the numbers because they discard it for a real long time. Being like, it's not significant enough, but I think they realized it was actually much more than they. Oh, really? I thought it would be. Yeah. Interesting. So it's a lot. The recreational fishing lands a lot of fish every year. Yeah, especially the guys that go out every weekend and just like load the boat full of grouper. Oh, yeah. So recreational is not, no, that's commercial. Charters are commercial. Right? No, that's recreational. Charters are recreational. Yeah. Oh, wow. Commercial fishing is when you catch a fish to sell the fish. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And what was the other thing that there is a certain animal that maybe it's elk that cannot be sold commercially? Have you heard about this? There are certain animals that you can hunt in the United States that when you catch them, it's literally illegal to sell the meat. You're only allowed to give it away or keep it for your personal use. I don't think you allow to sell any wild game, wild game, wild game animals like deer and elk cannot be sold commercially for meat in the USA because they're not regulated or inspected as livestock. Additionally, endangered species, such as tigers, wild hunting, exotic animals can't be sold. Well, that's because of like parasites and things like because they can monitor the meat and you just know how to do that. Because they can't monitor the sea meat that they pull out of the sea either, right? No. They're definitely not testing every single one of them. Right. Well, that would be a great way to sustain the populations too to make it so you can't sell it. That way or not, you can just industry can't be built up around it, right? It's like a sport. I mean, let's see because now let's see what Trump you think that now he's allowed small farmers to let's see how that's going to work out. What is that one? I don't even know what that is. So he just said, he just announced that now small farms are going to be able to process it or meat instead of using the four big meat processor that I have. Oh, really? Monopoly in the US and now they're going to be able to do it themselves. I don't know how they did a monitor for safety for eating that. That's interesting. But let's see. Right. Well, they would be, I don't know. And I think too expensive for them to do too, right? It's probably way cheaper to ship it off. I think you're going to have to equip themself for processing. That's a lot of money. Yeah. But I think they would make more money at the end. Right. Probably. So if you can get the investments to do that, then it'd probably be better. Probably. I'm not super. Well, let's see. I mean, hey, again, if you have the privilege of going outside of catching you on my daughter just turned to this one. She's coming with me hunting. Really? Yeah. That's awesome. Actually, maybe let's see what the baby when you're going to get around the ocean. I'm going to go hunting, but that's going to be a little longer. No, because I know I mean, they can't really swim until properly swim until late three. The time she can swim with fins and the snorkel and that cry about it. Yeah. We're probably starting with hunting. Also, it's because it's have a friend. You're in Texas too. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be so much easier for me to do that. For sure. But I'm, yeah, let's see how she reacts. Yeah. I don't think I'm going to. My grandmother used to tell me stories about when she was a kid and she used to like her job was to go pick up a rabbit from the yard and then break the neck and bring it inside and remove the skin and how you get. You get these these sensitives. I cried like a little baby the first time I went hunting. Yeah, it was so much different killing a mammal. It is very different. You know, like I've never like I said, I've never hunted like traditional hunting. I've never actually I take that back. I think I, I think I shot a deer once. Yeah, I did when I was really young. I did like a small little deer hunt one night and then but like fish are so much different. You don't have that feeling with fish. You You know, they don't have those big dots. So we eyes where it's like doesn't breathe air. You can have it fun enough when they, and I wasn't thinking about it, and it was crazy. When you see white around the eyes, you tend to feel more compassion. Yeah. So like a tuna, by example, a tuna can like look like this and then you're going to see some white on the sand on the, on the corner of his eyes and then you're going to feel more compassion. Really? Because the eyes looks like yours more. I didn't know the tuna even had whites on their eyes. Yeah. Sometimes I have photos from tuna, and they're like, "Oh, really?" They're like, "Oh, really?" They're like, "Oh, really?" They're like, "Oh, really?" And they're like, "Oh, really?" And they're like, "Oh, really?" And they're like, "Oh, really?" They're like, "Oh, really?" They're like a grouper or a snapper or something like that, or a fucking barracuda, like, they don't, they feel soulless. That's my, that might sound very soulless to me to say, but it does, it does feel like that. You feel a more with bigger fish, I would say. Like a big, big tuna. Yeah. I think you feel the biggest little bit more, but. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Well, thank you. That was a marathon podcast. That was fun. Of course, thank you. Well, let go yourself below. I hope you have a great time in the year 2013. I hope you have a great time in the show, and I hope you have a great time in the show, and I hope you have a great time in the show. [BLANK_AUDIO]