#426 - "I Scanned Egypt's Labyrinth & the Results Got Me Exiled" (Scans Revealed) | Louis De Cordier

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Kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu, kuten varaston suunnittelu. - What's your interest in all this stuff? - Initially, it was just from the how CD imagination, not really like how Egypt exists today in the academic minds, but Egypt does this kind of heritage civilization of way older cultures that survived the last ice age. - That caught myself really fascinated by. - What got you interested in the labyrinth specifically? Because when it comes to Egypt, most people want to talk about the pyramids, right? The pyramids are the central focus, right? And there's been many really interesting books about the pyramids and different theories on what they were used for, and that seems to be where most of the attention goes to. And there was even that recent scan by the Beyondy guy. I'm sure you're familiar with that. I'm sure we'll cover that at one point. But you have dedicated all your focus to this labyrinth. Why is that? - First, the pyramids are present. So for me, the big pyramids of Giza definitely sparked my interest because once I saw these and then afterwards visited them, I really felt that they are made from a whole other level than everything that's done afterwards. So I felt also, again, like intuitively as an artist, that the people who designed those buildings were operating from a whole other level of understanding. But besides the mathematical designs and all these very sophisticated integrations of the understanding of how the planet works and so on, there is no written hieroglyphs. There is no information there. It's completely mute. It doesn't say anything at all. And in contrast to that building, those buildings, the labyrinth is the complete opposite. It's always been described as being this giant stone library with over 3000 rooms, full of hieroglyphs, the hall of records, all the information of the ancients, so the big library. So some authors also refer to the labyrinth of Egypt being the hard drive and the library of Alexandria, the software in a sense that the hard drive, where all the information is really inscripted in the walls. Wow, for like a very strong backup. Yeah, and it's also fascinating how all these ancient Greek people were writing about it. And they were saying, I think it was Herodotus who said that it was like even more mind-boggling than the construction of the pyramids, the scale of this labyrinth. But none of those guys ever got inside of it. No, no, there's no one in recorded history that we know of that has ever explored underneath the surface underneath that labyrinth, right? Is that true? Yes. Okay. Can you walk me through that first expedition you did in 2008? So the, I call it the Matahe expedition was a cooperation between Gantt University and the National Research Institute for Astronomy and Geophysics in Egypt. And basically it was a geophysical survey. So we didn't do digging, we didn't do physical exploration, but we brought the seven or eight different geophysical technologies like GPR, an electroresistivity, gemtem, geomahnetics, on two big plots. One was like 100 by 180 meters, and the other one very similar. So at the time, according to the National Research Institute, it was the biggest geophysical survey in Egypt ever been done on an archeological site. So almost like 16 geophysics were involved. Whoa, and you got like you went through all of the hoops, the politically, to get this approved by Egypt's government, right? Yes, yes. And then the antiquities like saw he was and all those guys, they were all cool with it. Yeah, wow. But the thing is I was the first one to do something like that. Yes, yes. Yeah, and at Havara and the last proper research, I was Flinders Pitry in 1888. And ever since the whole site was more or less like abandoned, there were some how say little missions, but very shallow and intended to discover or explore the existence of the lab. Because Flinders Pitry over a hundred years ago settled it's for most of the academia, saying from he discovered is this layer at five meters below ground. An enormous foundation plate, like 304 on 244 meters, which is almost like 10 football fields big. One plate, one plate. It really matches as well, but the ancient authors were saying over that the roof of the lab room was a giant plane of stone. Wow. And that was five meters deep. Five meters deep. So seeing these ancient authors were referring to the lab room as like two buildings, two stories, each containing a thousand, five rooms. And the roof being like completely flat, like maybe that's the roof of the lab room. Or it might be the floor of the first layer, and that the top layer is gone. And I was confirmed by this research, the Matahe expedition, and they said from underneath that giant stone foundation, they found like hundreds and hundreds of rooms and enormous big walls and grid structures. So they confirmed the existence of still huge remains. And ever since being like trying to get back with the boots on the ground. So give me an idea as far as the volume of the entire lab room. What could you compare it to? Oh, yeah, like it's enormous. It's like 344 meters, which is around like 10 football fields big, so I don't know. 10 football fields. Yeah, it's because these like Herodotus describes that if you compile all the temples of ancient Greeks and it still doesn't match the magnitude of the lab rooms. ja niistä on myös rauhoittaa. Pyramids of Egypt you say even those pyramids are massively big The labyrinths surpasses them and in greatness. What is the total height of it from like the base to the roof? According to the descriptions Let's say the every meters like every level is like around eight like or ten maybe twenty meters Okay, but but Yeah, so that's what we want to find out, but the the the mother rock itself Which is around minus 18 meters? Yeah, and What rock the mother rock was that so if you start drilling with with cord the cord drills And then you see that at around minus 18 meters. It's like solid rock from there. There's no debris and Yes, yeah, bedrock the bedrock and then later in came came the satellite scans And It was like 2014 and another one in 2015 and they completely skipped the first 18 meters and This and the first one conformed like four layers underground minus 30 and then 60 around 80 and a hundred meters deep Normus spaces and then the second one The British one also reconfirmed it and they add that even way more other things to it. So That was a pretty a surprise and a shock for me. So ever since Yeah, we I'm I'm I'm trying to do yeah I'll cover it if you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube and you want to be more involved I encourage you to please come check out our patreon community Not only does our patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube early fully uncensored and ad free But we're also doing patreon exclusive episodes as well as live Q&A's and you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week For me being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our patreon community every week Has been huge and this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month now back to the show So after you guys did that first expedition and you did all those scans and you've discovered all those giant rooms in there and how big the scale of it the volume of it and What did you do with the findings and the data? The first the first research was just published they published it I wish what like a like on a on a journal. Yeah, like a scientific Journal and it was published online and there was also like a Workshop presented at the National Research Institute in Egypt and up there the 48 Supreme Council counselors were all present and we presented the whole thing and they were all Very impressed and and people from UNESCO were also present and they said yeah, we need to move forward with making it like a world heritage site So to what's in a school UNESCO? It's it's it's the part the culture of wing of the United Nations. Do you and okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so it's a pretty important in international organization and and and then Because we had so much interest in embellishing itself with with presence on that the Kent universe The set from okay. Let's organize a whole conference and invite these Egyptian top persons like Sahih Awas and and The involved people of the National Research Institute and people from University Cairo so Sahih was declined to come but all the others came and then we had this very big Conference and again with with a completely overcrowded owl owl a 5600 people and We presented we had also a lot of press presence like ABC and BC all the European press and then it exploded Also in the newspapers like was from page on all newspapers and so on and then a couple of days later I got this call from from Egypt from the National Research Institute to to to completely pull it Pull it from the journal. Yeah, it's just pull it from from the websites. I was not able to to do any interviews anymore and they were all completely afraid actually because they were Trettens in Egypt and they were what threatened like they we get like Trats the national research is threatening. Yeah, so they they are part of the military complex and so so It's it was like a considered A national security breach And then Sahih was furious and one of his friends professor Gamrawi He he called me and he said yeah We have like a very serious situation because you are put on the blacklist and you're not able to enter Egypt anymore and It's very serious situation because it's like going out of Yeah When completely suddenly south especially because the Belgian king he came to Egypt in a diplomatic mission and there He talked with the wife of Mubarak the the former president and the wife of Mubarak was a personal friend of Sahih was and then the king had this magazine where on the front page set like Belgian discovery in Lebanon of Egypt and he showed it to to the wife of Mubarak She was like completely shocked and then she called Sahih was and and then yeah, it went all ballistic And oh my god. Yeah, yeah And that's nice. Yeah, it was wild because as well at the university again, so everybody was in complete panic Not to mention the people in in Egypt themselves and for me the You didn't do anything wrong like you literally got permission to do this. Yes, and you did what any scientist would do. Yes We followed the whole line of doing like a proper workshop presentation of supreme council of antiquities ever we organized the whole Conference in Gantt University where all the scientists were involved and invited and then it hits the newspapers But where I think it really went how to say um really Game sensitive is that the lebron suddenly was connected to lost civilizations and and giant halls of records and so on and and it that it left the sphere of normal archaeology Now this was after Graham Hancock got banned or black bought didn't Graham get banned from Egypt too Yeah, I was also did all the same periods This is around the same time. Yeah, there was this um, but was your was your Situation before after Graham got and got black ball, do you know? I remember that I was invited on the tour Where Graham Hancock and Sahi was we're going to yeah, they did it together and then there was this whole fight Um, so I don't know exactly when Graham was okay, right? I don't remember either but we are I'm talking that this was like eight so over 17 years ago right before before Facebook Instagram. Yeah, I think YouTube was still alive But it was like very primitive back then. This was like my space days like way before there was this insane Online presence of alternative historians that are like Talking about this stuff all the time like you were They were actively trying to suppress it back then which is so interesting Graham Hancock was very Fringe so now he's on Netflix and so on but at the time Yeah, and I was telling contact even with like people like John Anthony West and and and trying to communicate my my ideas to him and he was very interested um Graham Hancock Robert Choch So I've been with these person contacts some almost like 20 years now. Yeah, so why was this considered a national security threat? I don't get it I'm for many years. I was like How to yeah, like thinking from why would that be like a national security threat? And but I think it has like many many levels the first level is that you have an an our theological zone in the center of the faium where around 10 million people living and Yeah, it's it's always about like Protecting the area and even back then the world's standard guns on site to trying to protect the local people From from stealing antiquities, so that's really there was armed militias surrounding the site. Yes, yes from the very beginning Art militias militia That's I think one of the the bigger ones the other one is the main maintenance of The status quo like academic so from you can do like say lots of spiritual things Quite a lot of people who go to Egypt for for spiritual reasons and they meditate in in but they're more or less harmless But as soon as you come in and start to physically do things that's a whole other ball came and so far We have quite a lot of research, even like Graham Hancock and Antony West, and many who talk, but there are very few people who walk, and that was one of the first, I think, researchers in Egypt that went beyond just talking. I can understand it from that perspective, why it would be a national security threat, if you're uncovering some insane, huge archaeological site that's been untouched. It could incentivize cartels to go there and try to figure out how to excavate it, maybe drop a bomb on it, and try to open it up. I can understand it from that perspective. And it's also surrounding quite a lot of intrigue and mystery, even conspiracies, because for over 100 years, nobody was not only allowed to do anything, but it was also very difficult to do something, because in 1820, there was a canal over the whole site, which set the whole part surrounding the pyramid itself underwater. So since over 100 years, it's impossible to get down, because the whole pyramid is submerged. So can you explain, is there an image that we can look at to look at this whole area, where it is, it's Hawara, right? Hawara, yes. And there's one pyramid there. There's one pyramid. Is there like a map or something that we can look at, or like an aerial view of the. There are some old plants, I think, I think the lepseus PDF from the historic map. Even if you just Google Hawara. Yeah, just Google Hawara. Just Google Hawara, Steven, let's just look at it on a map and just click on Egypt. Okay, Egypt. Oh yeah, so maybe it can also zoom in, maybe. Yeah. So you go to the phylum, which is this leaf. So it's zoom in, yeah. The phylum, yeah, there, a little bit down, yeah, there. And it's like a leaf, and it has like a green part entering the whole thing. Yeah, right there. There, a little bit to the left, yeah, to now bring the whole thing down a little bit more, on the other side, on the other side, yeah. Even more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more. Yeah, they're on the left, yeah. Yes, there, yeah, there. So up there, you see the pyramids. Yeah, it's a mud brick pyramid, so it doesn't look weird. Where's the pyramid? That's the pyramid. Oh, right there, I see it. Yeah, the pyramid of Amina had. And then you see this channel about something very weird about the channel, is the channel goes uphill. So in the past, there was no channel running across. So go back in on it, go back in on it. Running across the side. So this channel was made when in 1800s? 1800, 20, just after Napoleon visited the site. So he had, he named the belephones, the engineer who also built a Suez Canal. He was ordered to build quite some channels, water channels in the phylum area. And so instead of following the old part, which was running across the green area, he decided to go straight to the pyramid and then turn left. And in some ways, it's considered as well like an archaeological mission, because it's a massive undertaking completely across the whole site. And ever since the site is dealing with groundwater, especially the pyramids. Which is very important because all these ancient authors describe that the pyramid was underground, connected to the labyrinth area. And ever since, even Flinders betray in 1888, over 60 years later, was not able to go down to the deeper levels of the. So was Napoleon trying to excavate this thing or something? Or what was Napoleon doing? The labyrinth of Egypt's been known throughout history as one of the most important archaeological sites of the whole world. And all of these people like Napoleon, they wanted to find out what the labyrinth was. And if it's still there, Flinders Petry, the father of archaeology, his first mission in Egypt was to find the labyrinth of Egypt. All the other persons like Lebsius, Belzoni, all these archaeological legends were all trying to find the labyrinth, but none of them went that deep. And it's very confusing as well because the site was for over 2,000 years anicropolis. So on top, everybody wanted to be buried. Sometimes it was a village. Sometimes it was built on top. All the way to a couple of centuries ago, there was activity there. So it's really confusing the degree. Were they built a freaking river right through the middle of it? Exactly. And I think it was intentionally in the sense that it definitely was for water, but that it did it for archaeological exploration, but as well to put the whole sites under water. So when they did that, it flooded the whole labyrinth. The thing is that it flooded the entrance of the labyrinth being the permit itself. We were able to find the labyrinth in the next few years. All the other people were able to find the place where the village was built, and the village was built in the dashboard. The place was built in the old shop of the shop, the Komsivus. It was called Shannen Maldonado. The art of art was the place where the people of the village were living. The shop was built because the construction and construction of the building was built in the first time. The people of the village were able to find the place where the people of the village were living. All the other people were able to find the place where the people of the village were living. The shop of the shop of the shop was built in the Komsivus. They were sleeping in there because they were in there for a long, long time, when they were exploring it, trying to find out where it went. Eventually they hit water and they couldn't go any farther, is that right? Yes, yes. There's this blind passage, and he was going deeper and deeper, trying to find out. Even at the time, he was like, all the way to his chest in very salty water, which was corrosive, biting into his skin and so on. It was trying to go as deep as possible, but the strange thing afterwards is that he wrote that from his scanty remains, he cannot make any proper conclusion. But ever since his research, all of academia set, okay, flenders, potry, settle to whole thing, there's no labyrinths. There's no labyrinths. That's the consensus. Yes, the academic consensus is there's no labyrinths. No labyrinths. They're saying that the scans that you made they're ignoring them completely? Yeah, that's basically what they do. We say from those scans, they don't prove anything. So the only thing to prove it is physical excavation. With this thing of extraordinary claim, needs extraordinary proof. But of course, it needs like an extraordinary investigation as well now. That's what they have been blocking for 17 years. But the strange thing is that last year, last year I started, I opened up the whole project again with going to sending people to Egypt, the map, the archeological ecosystem and start to contact all these people from Supreme Council and all the people working for the government and so on. Trying to see how we can bring it forward and talking to very high level academics. You're doing this? Yes, with my foundation. What's been the response so far? It's a response so far. It's pretty impressive in the sense that we designs how are a master preservation plan, like away from how to move the whole project forward. Very contemporary, so not treasure hunting, but really saying from OK. We need to preserve the site. The pyramid is having very serious issues with groundwater and erosion and so on. And we was all put together in this master preservation plan. And then myself, the last so many months I spent most of in Egypt. And as soon as I left Egypt, a week later, we got these phone calls from friends in the United States, Travel Grassian, because he was visiting the site with a tool group. And he said, they're like excavating here. I said, this is not possible because we need first to drain the site and do the whole process. And you know, sure, they are excavating right now. When was this? This was in March, early March. At this year? Yes. Also, you've been back. Yeah, I was back and I went back again. But at that time, they started excavating and they are still excavating and was complete shock. So from Sunni, they jumped over the whole thing, over the whole mass preservation plan and first putting the site, they had drained the site and so now they are like full-on excavating the Egyptian government itself from the phyomane inspectorate. And it's a very proper, knee-dons, archeological mission and now they are at the first levels. So they are like exposing giant megalithic walls and according to the interviews online, they mentioned that they will go down as deep as they are able to go. Really? Yeah. And they just started this in March. Yes. Holy shit. Do we have any images of this? Yes, yes. I think the recent and so real quick, go back to that. What is going on in that picture where those guys are dragging that cooler-looking thing? This is GPR. That was like part one of the tools that we used in 2008. Oh, for the Mata-Hoff expedition. For the Mata-Hoff expedition. Yeah. Wow. Is this what you're talking about? These, these ones, yeah. These were images from in March that they are way, way deeper now. I think there's another one as well. Yeah. Holy. Yeah, there's nothing there. Yeah. So what do you mean there's, oh, you're being sarcastic. So it looks like they're just stones stacked on top of each other, right? Yeah. And they're still going deeper and deeper and the ID according to Mata-Hoff. These are like parts that they are recovering. These look like parts of pillars. And it's completely done by the Egyptians and self. So this would be in your view, what are we looking at? What do you think we're looking at here in the context of the whole aberrant? What would you imagine that this is? But this is not deep. It might be only two meters or so. And at around five meters is where this whole foundation layer is situated. And according to your physical research, Mata-Hoff expedition by national research, it starts become really interesting at minus five. And five meters under the ground. Yes. Underneath is foundation layer. And according to the satellite scanners, it becomes really interesting at minus twenty when they hit the the mudrock because so far this building is the bedrock. So 20 meters down is like the floor of the labyrinth. So everything above 20 meters is built, like these blocks built. But everything below 20 meters is carved out of the mudrock out of the bedrock. So then it becomes like more like like a cave. How many feet is 20 is a meter? A meter? Do you know what meter to feed is? It's like a yard. It's very close to a yard. What's it? But what is it in feet? A meter is about a yard? Yeah, 3.2 feet. So it's three. So one meter is three feet. So 20 meters is about 60 feet. It's pretty big. Yeah. So you think below 20 meters there is still labyrinth structure underneath 20 meters. But it's all carved out of one piece of rock. Yeah, the bedrock, natural bedrock. Natural bedrock. And above 20 meters, that's when they start to use stones to add to it. Yes. Yes. I understand. And according to Herodotus, he was able to visit the upper layers, the enormous building. Yeah. He was not able to go down the deeper levels. Because there was no permission for him, it was only by the Egyptian priests and you had those sacred crocodiles who were present. Sacred crocodiles. It was the culture of Sobek. And we also know that labyrinth was there because of the vine city of the crocodile polis, the city of the crocodiles. Yeah. But according to the recent satellites, by by Merlin Barrows and Andrew Scans, the spaces below that are like carved out of the bedrock are enormous. They're like one space is around 100 meters long on 40 meters wide. And so is this from your first expedition right here? No, this is from the latest satellites can research by the makers who later found it Merlin Barrows. Oh, this is the Merlin Barrows. Yes. And what year was this scanned on? This was, I think early, yeah, 2015. 2015. Yeah. And what are we looking at here? Can you just like, break this down? Like there's different colors. It looks like it looks like a sea floor or something like that. And I can see like little square sort of like imprints in the ground. How do you translate this? First, it's the scale. If you know how how big it is, it's pretty impressive. So it's so like the central, the central room there, the central thing, the purple channel in the middle. Yeah, the whole thing. It's separated. It's like one big space like an outroom, like the size of like punch it on one of those, Steve. Punch it on like the left of the right one. Yeah. It's like like a shopping mall where the altitude is around 40 meters, where you can see all the different layers coming together. And then in the center is this cubic space of around 40 meters and 40 meters. What's the cubic space? So it's 40 meters to 40 meters. The central one, they are there. This is the long one and that's the, yeah. Oh yeah, you can see there's a square right here. Okay. Another square right here and then another one right there. Okay. And there's, you're saying there's the this center area is like the size of a shopping mall. Yes. We also, all the colors, they indicate different layers. So the yellow is at the top and it goes down then with orange, red and all the way because this is the inverted one. So it appears like the reverse. So yeah, so because you have also like a complete mold around the the structure. And that was very, yeah, it has a shape of an omega. Okay. And and that's very distinct. And it was quite a surprise because the the archaeology is involved from University College London. They immediately made a link with with the motor round Sakara that they recently discovered as well. There are also quite a lot of references like very a lot of like pins, like very sharp pointy on the other one. And these were recognized to be Persian tomb shafts, Persian tomb shafts. There are shafts which go really deep 30, 40 meters deep and at the very bottom there's a a tomb, a tomb. Wow. Yeah. And so this is from later periods. But the main thing about the massivity of this building is that you have the central atrium. And what we hide for so many years after the NDAs and so on is that the central atrium contains also like a gigantic element. NDAs. You understand NDAs? Yes. Oh, over over 10 years there's still some going around. Yeah. Who made you understand the NDA? So it started with with the scanners themselves than the people involved. And as it was not only NDAs towards ourselves, but also well, if you if we show these images to to our other persons that they were not going to run with especially media people. Because we had some some really bad experiences before. Because if you bring about these things the Egyptian government and so on comes across them. It makes things really difficult to to move forward. So, one of the reasons why the first expedition succeeded was that we kept as low profile as possible. Yeah, right, right, right. Until everything was completed and you already processed all the data. Yes, yes. Okay, but if you tried everything to move it forward and personally, I organized several expedition applications myself where I put like several years in to bring all the universes together and they are always like rejected, then you need to start doing other things to move the project forward. One of them is, yeah, the publication of what we have to raise the public interest and so far it's working because the Egyptians are now on site excavating. The question is still, are they excavating with true intent to go down or it's just like planting a flag and later saying from okay, we did something and we confirmed there's nothing. Because so far they are still very shallow in depth. So because it only becomes very interesting minus 20 meters. Have you talked to anyone in Egypt, like officials in Egypt about this excavation and how deep they plan to go or do they have you spoken with anyone? Yeah, that's what I do, like full time, like talking to ministries. I mean, since they started their current excavation. So far, yes, I definitely because not maybe directly because I have quite a lot of people that I'm coordinating and working, like collaborating with, people within the Supreme Council themselves and within the governmental positions and they're also on it. But so far it's still, for me, extremely difficult to move forward unless that we have lots of support. Now you said there was an NDA that you had decided that you found an element in the middle of it or something? Yes. What was the element? The element is metallic. So not stone and not wood. So it's like an object. An object which is huge. For an object is freestanding. It's around 40 meters. 40 meters. It's 120 feet. It looks at the whole atrium. So this shopping mall type of space is completely built around it or that the atrium is created to put this thing inside. And there are quite some speculations on what it might be. Did you have any scans that show this? It's one of the scans is this black type of, yeah, it's centrally inside this big atrium space. One of the scans that we were just looking at. Yeah, so above it, like the former one. Yeah, you already bought it. Oh, I did. Tell me when to stop. Yeah, there was stop. And so at both one there, yeah, the black thing there, that thing. It's a little bit, how's it, bigger than it appears to be in reality, even in the videos which you can also watch online. So the green represents what? The green represents it's a kind of depth. Yeah, it's like like an deeper. The more blue, the deeper, the deeper green is the more shallow. Yes. And the very top is yellow and black is around it is default. But the little black specs are all kinds of objects at the shallow levels. Yeah, all the black specs are objects on the surface. Yeah, very close to the surface. It might be also like five, six, seven, eight meters deep, but the blue one is around one hundred meter deep. So it's massively deep. And the spaces are also very, very big. And how deep roughly is the green area? I think the green area must be around 40 meters. 40 to 30 meters. So there's lots of big black chunks. Yes. Some of them are just, yeah, default. Other ones are artifacts. And it concerns this, this, yeah, this kind of two bigger, longer black ones above it. Yeah, what are those? I wish that the makers was like here to be able to explain everything because he was the satellite scan expert. Who is he? He is the one who, Kate Alia was created and brought about the satellite scans. So he used to work all his life for the Royal Air Force. And he was like working on these, one of these sub-programs, like the special access programs relating satellite scanning at a man with hill in Harrogate, England. It's one of the, it's the biggest satellite ground station in the whole world. And America's also cooperating with them, the NSA. And so he was one of the top level people there, specialized in first, he told me, scanning landlines. And then they went deeper to see and scan by by satellite, bunker complexes in Asia and so on. And also he was also involved in tracking submarines. So they were able, even to see true submarines with the satellite systems. And so when he retired, he became very interested in ancient sites and so on. And so he was able to connect with my friends, co-researcher Andrew Barker. And then because of the whole context of the lab room, he's so extremely important and so on, he was able to convince several people who were still working at the Royal Air Force to process the images through their very sophisticated computer programs and servers because it needs quite some energy to completely process them. And then they came out and that's so what we see up here is they call it like a master image. It's a compilation of lots of different technologies together. It's not just like one thing, it's not only like lighter, or tomography, it's a complexity of several of these technologies together. And did he explain to you why he believes that that long cigar-shaped black spot is metallic? So according to what he said and the whole video is now on Odyssey as well, is that he said that this element there is definitely metallic, but he doesn't know exactly what kind of metal because he never saw it and he either speculated it might be as well something else kind of or he calcum or electrum. So electrum is this ancient Egyptian metal, which is a combination of gold and silver. It's been used in the past. It's kind of alloy. And then you have, yeah, and the other one is called iconoprona, it's very well, or he calcum. And that's the mythical metal of Atlantis. So the mythical metal of Atlantis. How do we know about that? It's also in the text of Plato. Oh, Plato wrote about it. Yeah. Okay. Or a calcum is a legendary metal from the ancient Greek and Roman writings. Plato famously described it in Cretius as a precious gleaming red gold material mind and Atlantis, ranking second only to gold and value interesting. Yeah. Oh, wait, it says archaeologists discovered 39 ancient ingots of or a calcum off the coast of Sicily in 2015 confirming it was an early form of brass. Oh, that's wild. That's an interpretation. In a sense, according to Plato and another, they say it's more like the golden copper, or that it was a very specific metal on itself. Some say now that it's like brass, a combination of zinc and tin. So do you think that thing could be some sort of like big shrine or something like that? Some sort of like, statue or idol or something? You can only see it from from from above. So we don't know it's like it's a stretch to make any kind of speculation to what it could be for sure. It might be disc shaped. It might be like we only had a two-dimensional view of the shape. We don't know what the layout of it is or what angle we're looking at it from. Yeah, so it might be like a shattering, which is like an Egyptian amulet symbol. Might as well be more exotic, like a stargate or which might be as well this mythical circle of gold, which is coming out of the books of Albert Slausmann. He is one of these early French researchers that translated the book of death and he was able to take out quite a lot of more information that most language were able to translate because the book itself is like a whole bunch of magical spells and only like 20% is understood. 80% is for most people just like magical spells. They don't know what it means. And so he was from his background of being a computer decoder, able to take out quite a lot of new insights and so all that's Slausmann. Albert Slausmann, is he still alive? No, he died I think even in the 80s or something. Oh wow. And so he made references to the circle of gold, but more as a kind of mathematical tool to calculate cataclysms, earth, earth cataclysms, earth cataclysms. So the idea is you have a circle. You have this concept of the precession of the equinoxes, around like 25,920 years. And the zodiac system is based on it and as well the 360 degrees of the circle, which is all invented by the Egyptians. So because if you divide a 25,920 years, which is the whole full great psych circle, then you come to 2072. So 72 degrees is one degree, 72 years is one degree of the 360. Circle. And when you're saying when you're explaining the precession of the equinox, the way the earth wobbles when it rotates, for a full rotation, 72 years you're saying is one degree. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And it has 360 degrees. So 72 times 360 would be a full precession. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. And then you have the ages as well. I think 72 multiplied by 30 percent because 30 to 12 times 30 is the full circle. And I come with 2,106 years something. And that's an age. So now we are at the end of the age of Papyskis. And so the whole thing with the circle of gold is that it is a kind of tool to calculate these cataclysms which happen on a cyclical case. See, that's what's cool. And that's also what's so frustrating to me about this, our view of the past is so pigeonholed because academia, archaeologists, archaeologists are so pigeonholed because they're not, I mean, this is a general problem within all research is it's so they have their blinders on. There's no interdisciplinary outreach, right? Like you should have the people that are excavating in the archaeologists. They should be talking to geophysicists, astrophysicists, people who decode ancient texts and look at different artifacts try to figure out what they mean. So everyone can try to have like a broader picture of the past and try to fit the puzzle pieces together to get a more clear picture of what was going on. And I feel like that's that would be a way better way of trying to figure out what was going on, but it's not done that way for some reason. But it seems like at least you're trying to do that. Yeah. And I'm trying to push it even further, further in the sense that now these texts are translated by linguists. [Music] [Music] Yeah, who have an poor understanding of mathematics or astronomy or astrology. Not to mention all the other sciences, but if you are able to feed this technology, I have said these texts into an AI system, that's very knowledgeable about all these sciences and he can calculate or it can calculate all these very sophisticated, astronomic programs and so on. And then you start translating text from from all these different point of views. Then you you might get some deeper understanding of what's been written there. So then maybe all these magical spells, which nobody understands today might become very understandable. And so that's why I also started the Havara data initiative. So in the sense that we are now, we have like a team of data hunters. And they are searching for everything that we can find on Havara, but Oswalain in the broader perspective and putting in all everything into a digital archive. And then in a later stage, we will start running large language models on it that we are developing. So to better understand the bigger picture of what we are dealing with. When do you think, if you were to speculate, the labyrinth was built? According to a normal academia, it's built by a medium head to dirt. Well, according, but they don't even believe it's there, right? Yeah. Or that it's like lost. That it's completely queried in the ancient that it just took all the stones and they built something else with it. And partially, it's true in the sense that the whole casing stones are all gone and reused. Same for for the whole building itself at the top levels completely gone. We only find remains. But the whole under structure that is carried out of the mother rock seems to be like designed to resist time. And we have no idea how old that is. Might even go all the way for tens of thousands of years. So we don't have any idea. And the biggest question today is that yeah, that we don't know what's there, how big it is. The only thing that we want to do is just go inside and just start to have a look for ourselves. What's there? And that's the biggest challenge that we are facing. So all those rooms inside, all those big spaces that are inside the labyrinth, are they all filled? Are they all full of debris and dirt and everything like that? Are they some of them still empty and open with air? According to the satellite, they are completely free of sand and especially as well, free of water because many people think that because there is like shallow water at the top that the whole building is submerged, but the water doesn't go deeper than the bedrock itself. So it's it's only goes like more or less like all the way to -8 meters there is humidity. So far the biggest concentration of underground water is surrounding the pyramid itself. And the pyramid is also well working as a wick in a sense that it's like sucking up the water. And that's why the level of the water inside the pyramid is higher than the surrounding water levels. Right. Now wouldn't there be a way to, I mean, I don't know how the whole process of excavation works. I'm sure it's very meticulous and they have to follow protocols and stuff like this. But couldn't you essentially just build some sort of like an elevator shaft down into it or like dig a hole in one spot and just see like where it it goes instead of doing it all, like the whole thing. the whole entire landscape of it at once? - That's exactly what we want to do. In the past, the archeology is done in a very destructive way, creating like big holes and it's very similar like opening up like in the past the whole intestines and putting everything out and then put it back in and suit every season. So now we can do non-intrusive archeology. Like with pin-pole, like boreholes. And then putting in cameras and laser voids kind of. - Right, right, right. - Like in a very sophisticated space age way. - Yeah, like in the pyramid, right? They drill little holes like in the shafts or whatever. They did this long time ago where they stuck those cameras up the gate and bring shaft. - Exactly. Something very similar, but it's still quite a challenge for even the academics to move forward to it. Because the challenges in Egypt are very difficult on the aspect of heat and dust and desert storms and so on. So therefore you need to create some kind of field station, research station where all these very sophisticated high-tech tools can be moved. - Yes, and so from there on, so if we then drill a hole all the way down like, let's say to minus 40, 50, 60 meters, very narrow boreholes. And then we can put the whole field station on top of it. And from there we can go down. - Yeah, if we can do it in Antarctica, like can we do it in the desert? - Yes, yes. I think I have also like a visual on the field station research that I'm like developing the animation. - Yeah, the animation. - Have you proposed something like this to them? - I'm busy now with organizing a symposium just to present the whole thing. Because at this moment they are still doing archaeology like in the days of Howard Carter with very simple wheel barriers and buckets and very primitive in dust and with field nodes with paper and so on and very difficult task. - So this is the animation, let's see it. - This is the animation of the domes on the side of Havara. - Oh. - Yeah, this one. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, like a moon base. - Yeah, it's a moon base, yeah. So we create a field research station and that's what I'm now developing with several engineers because it must be completely autonomous and it's yeah, we have like our own electricity or own air filtration and then the whole idea is like, we see here that we have a shaft who goes all the way down and then we can. - Would you send people down there? - Initially, I think first like nano bird robots and laser board scanners to map the interiors of these spaces so that we can have an idea of the size and the magnitude and from inside, we. The whole idea is to try to find out like the way out and exits. If we are not able to do so, the whole idea is to make more like manhole size. - We find a very brave archaeologist to be the first man in the labyrinth. - Yeah. - I think we choose, I think we should get Flint Dibble to be the first one. - Exactly, he will be in the labyrinth. - He will be in the labyrinth. - He will be in the Neil Armstrong of the labyrinth. - Yes, yes. - That's one small stuff from him. - Like in a cage like a movie of the sharks, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that Flint, we need you. That's incredible. What is that bird? Is that like a hummingbird you drew on there? - Yeah, it was one on the. - The front page of National Geographic was a nano bird. One of the very early flying drones. - Oh, okay. - And for me was like very visual because it related to ancient Egypt and this nano bird flying and other sort of surveillance first entry. - What was your take on those Beyondy scans? Those scans that came out a couple of years ago where that took over the internet by storm where they looked like these giant shafts underneath the pyramids with these like the boxes on the end. What did you, what's your view of all that stuff? - My view was full, it was very impressed, yeah. In the sense I worked with scientists for a whole time. I like the people from National Geophysic, they are very knowledgeable about their technology, but they are not how to say that the most creative person's on inventing structures. In the sense it's very strange that somebody who's very into satellite scans suddenly starts to develop a whole, yeah, how to say. And like this master's design of what's below Giza. And as soon as I saw these images I was very impressed especially because it made quite a lot of sense for me. For these things remind me to they call it canvassers. It's, you have this scientist Raich, William Raich and he developed quite a lot of, yeah, have to say the designs who. Yeah, go to that one with the blue shaft. - The blue shaft, that's like the, yeah. So it came up with this rendering. - Yeah, but the other one was more representative. The, yeah, this one, this one, yeah, this one. Yeah, that one, yeah, because at the very bottom there is a massive block, like a cubic block. - Right. - And that's very similar to those canvassers. So canvassers are placed in nature and they are able to create organ. It's kind of scholar energy, yeah. And when I saw these things I immediately related to even all the way to the circular sparkling things are related to it. And so I thought from, it creates, this thing is that, with the books of Kristoffer done, the Giza power plant that it's all about vibration and with these things is that you have, so the earth has its own vibration called the sumon resonance. - The sumon resonance? - Yes. And the sumon resonance resonates with the earth itself. But over time it changes. Like in the ice age it was another sumon resonance than we have now. So imagine that this is like an ice age structure and the sumon resonance was different than today. So what I think, if this is really there, the as soon as the sumon resonance shifts again in its former resonance, the whole structure starts, becomes like active again. - It's on. - Turns on, it can capture humanity and geophysical micro vibrations and then the whole thing becomes a scholar generator, which is concentrated in the top. And it reinforces the geomahenitosphere, which protects us against cosmic radiation. And that's what we are having issues with these days. The geomahenitosphere is losing a lot of strength and that's why we have way more cosmic radiation coming in. And according to all these researches, the input of geomahenitic radiation, cosmic radiation, cosmic rays creates clouds, but also more earthquakes. - And it calls the Earth. - It cosmic rays make it cooler. - Make it cooler clouds. - Yes, yes. And it creates a climate change, but not in the way that we are being told in the sense that cars and cows create climate change. It's like a giant cosmic cyclical thing. And we are at the end of the interglacial, Sunnis change in states or geomahenitic poles are also on the move. We have big holes opening up in our magnetosphere, like the South Atlantic anomaly. - Right, right. - And I think everything starts to fit together with the ancients and their messages that they wanted to leave behind the pyramids. These giant structures that are in place to start kicking in. So I think we are watching remnants of a very sophisticated human past. - I think so too. Are you familiar with Land of Chem? - Yes. - Jeffrey Drum? - Yeah, he was explaining to me the beyond, that he was breaking down on the show, beyond these scans and he was showing us like the raw data that they came up. with their synthetic aperture radar stuff. And comparing that next to the 3D renderings that they created. And it was like a very wide gap. They were being very liberal with how they interpreted raw data. And when he questioned it, questioned the Beyondy gentleman about it, he really didn't have like a good answer for like, he was like, why, how did you come up with this to this? He's like, go, well, you know, we just, whatever. There was no good explanation for that. It seemed like they were just being very generous with their interpretation of the 3D model. And they also did a scan of the the Coffrey pyramid with the same technology and a 3D rendering of what the interior of the Coffrey pyramid would look like. And there's all these like chambers, the size of the King chamber, King's chamber in there. And Geoffrey was telling me that those chambers we know for a fact aren't in there. So like he's, he's making lots of mistakes on his other scans. And even with his scan of the great pyramid of Giza, it doesn't really, it doesn't really match up, right? There's not like a direct correlation with the data he's showing in his 3D rendering. Like it doesn't align very well with what we know is in that pyramid. So it's like, you're doing these scans out of the pyramids. Like we see these kind of like, you know, it looks like these lines, these vertical lines, these pillars that are connected to it. But like these perfectly cylindrical structures that you drew with the boxes doesn't really add up. Like like you're, you're kind of like filling in the blank with your own imagination here. That was Geoffrey's whole take on it. And Geoffrey also believes that there's these iron veins underneath the plateau there. And he was showing photos of these iron veins that he saw in some of the pits. And he, I think he seems to believe it's possible that those, those vertical shafts that we see in the raw data could be iron veins vertically going down underneath the the plateau. Who you're talking about that or? Yeah. In the sense that I work together with the geoscans and they came up with these very specific scans of Havara. And then suddenly we had these other scanners from Merlin Barras, completely different type of scan team. But they were able to, there were quite a lot of overlapping things. So it was, so yeah. And now beyond these, at this moment, busy with scanning Havara as well. So he's like, oh, is he really? Yeah. So I went to the conference in Italy and in Bologna recently. And we discussed this and he's like on it. So the next scan after Giza is going to be the is the labyrinth of Egypt. So and for me, they always like add something more to it. So they are never the same. There are while different type of technologies. But I'm very curious to see what he's going to to bring to the table at this moment. And he's going to do that strictly with satellites. He's not going to be on the ground there. No, not on satellites. So I'm not trying to focus too much on the specificities of exactly how, because these are, I think, technologies that are like in their child's shoes. And so there might be lots of interpretation space there. But of course, if these technologies are used for scanning landmines and bunker complexes, the labyrinth of Egypt is something very hard to miss the same thing with what's underneath at Giza. So I maybe it's not exactly 100% what's there. But it indicates quite something. And from all the sites and the whole world, I think Giza and and and Hwara are the most enigmatic. And yeah. Yeah, I think you're right about that. Yeah, I'm curious to see what happens with that. I know he certainly didn't do it the way that you did it. You did it. You were more quiet and subtle about the way you went about doing this. He seems like he went, he did it and immediately did this crazy big press release on YouTube. And I imagine that Egypt, the antiquities department in Egypt and the government didn't take that very well when he came out with that because it was everywhere. Have you talked to any of those folks about it? Yeah, definitely about his stuff. What is there take on what beyond he's doing? It's more like the the art of war. So it's everything is like related. So if you want to to attack something there, you create something big. And then and it's very strategically plays. So in this way the the whole beyond the scan helped the Hwara project. Because that claim from beyond he was so huge. Yeah. And so over everybody was expecting and it fascinated the whole world. But suddenly the the scans that were we were sitting on for so many years let you over decade what was way too big to to present because yeah, we are saying there is like a giant space in there of 100 meters on 40. But suddenly this this thing that we were unable to to communicate for so many years became how to say less less impressive. Yeah. And although it's extremely impressive. So in some way the whole labyrinths project was able to to yeah be be be able to to possess in itself back back on the on the playing board. Have you ever discussed this stuff with any like mainstream scientists or archaeologists or Egyptologists like people who sit on in like the high ranks of academia less on the French side and like at their take on it or their view on it. Yeah, quite a lot of these people are inside the mission Hwara project. You have like Fekri Hassan one of the very well-known geoshoologists. He was co-designing the the the Hwara Master Preservation Plan. There are quite a lot of classically formed and educated archaeologists within the team itself. So and it's and it's very how they are not how to say opposing the idea that there's a giant building there because in the whole area of the Foyum, there's an enormous spiritual center that's still missing the whole Crocodilopoli center. For so many thousands of years there must be something huge. We have like the Syrupium which is very close by. It's huge underground. We have lots of things. The Syrupium is pretty close to there. Yes. Yeah. It's very close and and and there we have Hwara which is which is described by so many authors as being completely underground. Yeah. And so far no research. So yeah. God has such a mystery. How old could that have been? Obviously it's before any recorded history before the Hellenistic period. If Herodotus and Strabo were dumbfounded by what this was and just astonished by what this could have possibly been and writing about this and they didn't know it had to have been way before them because it was still way underground to what the surface level geologically was when they were around you know in whatever 300 BC 400 BC. So it's like I mean it's only up to the imagination to we can only imagine how old this could be. There's nothing on earth that we know of right that is any kind of structure man made that is that deep underground. Is that right? As described by the ancient authors here. Right. Like Herodotus was 500 BC and then we have several others later like Deodori Sikuls and he even wrote the the the die that was the father of Icarus who those dials who built the labyrinth of of Crete. First he visited the labyrinth of Egypt and then he got inspired and then later he built the labyrinth of of Crete and Deodori's Sikulus wrote 2000 years ago that at that time when he was alive the labyrinth of Crete was already completely destroyed but the labyrinth of Egypt was still there in its full magnitude. So how was he able to see the labyrinth if it was so far underground? That's how Deodori's Sikulus described it 2000. I think at that time the building itself was still standing on top. Yeah. And so he modded off the building that was on top, not off of what was down in the bedrock. Exactly. They didn't they still had no way of telling that that was down there. It's it's same. There was some always some kind of conspiracy surrounding it like mystery from what's there below visitors were not able to visit it or or explore it all the way to today. There were some reports of Jesuit priests that explored the labyrinth. It's featured in this book of Albert Slosman as well, where he describes as well four layers below ground. So it demands, Aliah, it asks for exploration and investigation. And it's still so weird, it crazy that we are 2026 and we were more than 18 years ago, is when you first started studying this stuff and going there and doing that first scan 18 years ago. 18 years. That's crazy. With steps and we are still that humanity still doesn't know what's down there, like only like some 20 meters, possibly one of the biggest human information libraries that are in existence on the planet. If we build that shaft, the first, if you get permission to build that moon base and drill down underneath, do you know where you would drill first, like what specific area, in a perfect world, if you could choose any location you wanted. Where would you do the first hole? I would go straight into the atrium, straight into the object is seen, it's like no miszone. The other one would be the circular space, there's also like a cupula, the shape more or less of the pantheon, it's like almost like 40 meters in diameter, some a massive dome as well. It would be the second, I would be terrified, I'd be terrified that I'm going to open some sort of stargate or like unlock, like wake up that UFO down there, it tries to like fly away or like, I don't know, it wakes up, who knows. Yeah, man, it's all such a mystery. And there's also, I think I heard recently that there's a new project trying to explore this hidden void inside the Great Pyramid above the, above the grand gallery, I believe, right? There's a big like jumbo jet side, size void that people have been trying to get into for a long time. The Giza Scan Pyramid's project, Matt Beel is also involved with the sponsors and it's a very Zahia whilst project. Oh, so he's involved in that project as well? Yeah, I think there was this discussion on Pierce Morgan recently, where Zahia whilst was questioned by a lot of these alt media YouTubers and they were like asking from when are you going to go inside and you're like saying for the last seven years that you are going to go inside and then he promised that definitely before June, he was going to go inside. That chamber or that void? Yeah, so now we are at the end of August, so yes, not yet. So I don't know. What do you think the pyramids were? I don't think they were tombs. Yeah. I don't think any rational person would think that. And there's no, there's no, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. They never found any kind of, you know, amazing side. And I think they have the idea that they were very sophisticated, like Christians, books, like power plants, but I think as well there is a very big level of spirituality involved with the afterlife and the nature of reality, and that they were very knowledgeable about these things and the aspect of vibration and so I think it looks so extremely smart and feels so sophisticated that I'm always very humble and impressed when I'm very close to them because these buildings are, for me, what keeps up my belief in humanity, because today what we see in the world is so sad and so, yeah, and when I watch these buildings are what we were able to realize so many thousand years ago, it gives me a lot of hope and trust. I really like Jeffrey Dunn's theory of what the pyramids were, how they were chemical manufacturing plants for metallurgy and for agriculture. I feel like that just makes so much sense. You know, even he even, he said it was very similar to the Fritz Haber device that was creating sulfuric acid and like you can see, they completely, they created a complete model of the, I believe the Red Pyramid and they showed how the pressure system worked and how it created pressure pushed the chemical into the pyramid through this bottom chamber and it shoved it up into the top chamber and it's just incredible like the way, the way he lays out his theory, it just makes so much sense and it's not some outlandish thing like a free energy Tesla device or anything like that, it's like, huh, it's not, it's not tombs, but it's also not free energy, you know, spaceship chargers. It's this thing that is for a very practical human purpose, which is to enhance agriculture and to help grow agriculture, to create clouds, to create a more fertile environment for resources and stuff like that as well as for metallurgy. And you know, those are the same types of chemicals, what he describes in his theory that we use for metallurgy today. So it tracks because we have all these crazy stones that are around there that are like, you know, cut perfectly as if they're like some giant diamond tipped saw, cut them. And you know, with different like marks that go off the beaten path, like it's like they were cutting the wrong way and they had to like, re-correct them and they're so thin you could put a credit card right in and in granite, no less, it's just so bizarre. So yeah, I think that I think his theory, like for me is the most coherent one that I've heard on the pyramids, although Chris Dunn's is fascinating as well. But you might maybe bring them together in the sense that if they are like explanatory, like the pyramids themselves, the proportions are related to the circumference of the earth and the relationship that's fascinating of the earth to the moon and they are placed under the turtid, I think long longitude or latitudes point. So he imagined that the ancients were knowledgeable about the creation of these fertilizers. And then they say from okay, we will use the designs of this thing and we incorporate it in the design of the building, not therefore using them so as much as a fertilizer plant themselves. The same from these are the blueprints of how you can do it. So it shows how extremely intelligently we're by incorporating the designs, but not therefore specifically using it as the same thing with these spots, these spots look very simple, but as soon as you start like measuring them, they become extraordinary. And so these are a proof of what they are able to do. It's also the look very simple. Once you are able to understand and you have the knowledge to measure these things and understand these things, suddenly you start to, it's like a giant book as well, even without any words. So same thing with these spots and maybe the interior of these pyramids are blueprints of how to build, how to use and how to create fertilizers, but not necessarily there. They were being used as a to do so, yeah. There's, have you seen the latest on these these vases? There's a, there was a new study done by a gentleman who we had on the show where he got access to a huge collection of private, a private collection of these vases that were purchased as well as a huge collection of vases and like the Petri museum and other museums that hold these things. And what he found was all of the vases that were perfectly symmetrical, like the most accurate designs were in the private collections. And all the ones that were in the museums were not even close to being perfect. And they didn't even have these little lugs on them either. So what his conclusion was, is that it's more likely that the very perfect ones with these little lug handles were modern. They were made with like CNC machines and stuff like that. But they, they find some of the, because it's very strange that they are, they found like tombs and amemies with, holding these very sharp. perfect ones together with other ones who are looking very badly done, even like painted, trying to look like the original ones. So it might be that if you as well related to the early days of archaeology, like Flinders Petrie, the University College London, he was working for private people. So his expeditions were paid. Exactly. And so the best spots, because there's as a layman, you can see the difference between a perfectly shaped one and a bad copy. Right. So I think that the early in the early days, the people who were sending people like Flinders Petrie out, they were in for the good stuff. Yeah. And not these these bad copies. That's true. And they could have probably taken the perfect ones, the ones that they thought were that somebody had this lady named Heather Lind was explaining this to us how like the very, the earliest archaeology was basically all these aristocrats and rich people that were just looking for artifacts to, you know, enrich themselves. Even to this very day, the most beautiful pieces are our in private collections. I've seen private collections which which are stunning. And of course, we have very nice statues that the really bigger ones and museums, but the smallest ones certainly like these pots. And there are not so many either the perfect ones. Right. A lot of, a lot of, and you just imperfections too. And even so, if they even tried to copy them today, because then the claim would be that if the ones in the private collections are contemporary ones, that there must be not least already 200 years old. And how were they able even 200 years ago to make such a perfect facials? Well, the problem is you can't figure out when they were made, right? Because it's granite. Yes. There's no way to carbon date how, how, if they were made yesterday, or if they were made 5,000 years ago. Yeah. Right. So, and then the other thing was that this guy told me was that all the perfect ones, none of them were with aswan granite. So, that's also very curious to me. Why wouldn't they be in using aswan granite? Other different. All the imperfect vases that were like very crude. Some of those in the museums were made of aswan, but in the private collections, the very perfect ones. Why aren't any of those made with aswan granite? That was his claim. I don't know. I guess aswan granite has a very specific look to it. It's like pink almost. pink and there are also ones made of diorite. Yeah. Very shiny dots on it, which looks very metallic. And they also say that you cannot really turn them, but they need to be like carved, because of the nature of, but on the other hand, we have this kind of wheel type of instrument, which is in the museum in Cairo. Like a lathe. Yeah, like a circular one, very sophisticated, super thin, like a machining type of part as well. Yeah. Right. Yeah, there's still so many mysteries. Right. I used to think that this one was like one of the most the craziest things, but like, you know, even in India, there's just insane architecture in India. Like that one site that's carved. Oh, this is the wheel here. This one, yeah. There's also made out of stone. Wow. Does this brings everything even up to to a way higher level of that's so crazy. And do we have a, what are the academics say this was dated to? Do you know? No, see if you can just try to google the Sabu disk. Okay. Sabu disk ancient Egyptian artifact from the first dynasty. So 3000 to 2800 B.C. That was made out of stone. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah. Imagine getting all the way done with this, and you like chip the cylinder. Well, look, they carved a number into it. Yeah. Man, the mysteries are just never ending. You know, and that's like what fuels our imagination. And gets people like you, so excited about this stuff and then motivates people to just dig into the past and see what all they there doesn't need to be guardrails on this stuff. You know, there's no why. What's the point? We should be encouraging people to be more creative and come up with more theories and be more open with this stuff and not try to, you know, with the way the internet has sort of turned this into this, you know, binary sort of like war with people who are, you have two camps, people who are curious and interested in alternative theories and people who just want to stay in the academic lane and, and, you know, cast doubt and shame on everyone else who wants to just come up with other stuff and explore and open their mind to it. It's, it's, it's upsetting that that's what it's come to. You know, with the current stage of where we're at with social media and all that crap. But, um, also the, um, what is it? The Sarah, the Sarah Pium, the Sarah Pium is another thing. That's very interesting because you have these giant boxes that are in these, in inside this lab, it's sort of like a labyrinth there and, and these boxes are like perfectly square made out of granite, right, I believe, right? It's, I think it's direite, direite, black, black stone, giant, black, dire. The most hard, it's stone that exists. And there's, there's like ice cream scoops that are taken out of it in some spots. And, uh, I think Chris Dunn found out that the interior of these direite boxes are so perfect and reflective. It's like astonishing how perfect they are. And the outsides are kind of crude, right? There's scoops and stuff out of the outside. It's almost like, you know, his theory is you don't, uh, coming, being as engineer, which what he is, he goes precision, there's no point in having precision unless there's function, right? Like the, you, you, you only have to have things precise if there's an actual function to it, right? Because you're trying to achieve a certain goal or a certain outcome. So his theory is like, you know, the only explanation that he could think of, think of coming from an engineering background is this precision inside these things. That's some sort of a function, some sort of like a maybe a resonance function or, or something like that. And then on top of all of that, these boxes wouldn't, how would they even lift them and, and move them into this labyrinth system that they're, they're in, you know, they, they look how big norms. And, and I think there are like over 22 or more of them. Have you been in there? Yes, yes, you know, it's extremely impressive to, to see them. And, and they found them all empty as well. And the, and the explanation is that they were, well, like coffins or something. For bulls, for say, for sacred bulls. That's what they say. But none of them contained any kind of bull or so they were all empty. No evidence of any kind of remains of anything. Well, I mean, like a later civilisation could have came and used them as coffins maybe. Yeah. And who wants to be buried some as such a giant thing? And coming back to the idea that the perfection goes together with, with functionality. I think today as well with, with, with the age of AI, it's, it's way easier to make perfect things. So I think it might also be related to, to the way how they were able to, to make those things. So maybe the tools that they were using enabled them to make them so perfect in some kind of way. There's this, there's this theory about the, the structures in Central and South America. Some of those, those big megalithic structures with those like marshmallow-looking stones that are perfectly fit together, that there was this red acid that they were able to find in South America that they, they believe even some like very high-level archaeologists believe that they could have used this acid to put on the surface of the stones before they stacked them to help meld them together more tightly and make them, make them like earthquake proof and stuff like that. And that would kind of explain the way that those stones seem to lock together in this strange way. I was just looking at this the other day. I saw this documentary on, on YouTube about this stuff. And I find that fascinating because you see a lot of the same type of stuff in Egypt, like, especially the Océrian or Océrian or whatever, where there's all these giant stones that are interlocking. Making it's very earthquake proof as well. Right, right. It's not anything you would see today, like these giant stones that are really hard to cut and lift, like all like cut so strangely at weird angles, but they all seem to fit perfectly. And, you know, maybe there could have been some sort of chemical thing that they were using, like not only to hit the stones together, but to create those scoop marks or those scoops out. And also that big, the stone of the pregnant woman or whatever, that big giant unfinished obelisk. You also see those scoops that are out of the bottom of that. Yeah, like that kind of stuff. You know, maybe they were using some sort of some sort of like stone softening. And that's, that seems to be like the most logical thing that I can wrap my mind around to what they were doing. You know, like they stuck the machine right here and somebody left it unattended and went shhhh. Yeah, right. They forgot to unplug it. Yeah. Do you think that all this stuff like, like all the pyramids that we see in Egypt are dated properly? Do you think, or do you think it's potential that they could be way older? I think they are way older. One of the, the only things that was dateable according to me was in the pyramid itself that are these shafts and then they found this, this wooden piece inside it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Graham Henkel referred as well in his books and, and then finally they, they dated it and they said, yeah, it's contemporary to, to what we think today of the age of the pyramids. But yeah, I, I don't know, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not really like willing to believe that it's just 2,500 years old or something, or I would say 2,500 BC, just so 5,000 years old. Yeah, I, I will need some more, more evidence, yeah, to, to, to be convinced that the big pyramids are just 5,000 years old. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it is, it is, you know, going back to what Jeffrey, drum came up with with his, his theory about the chemical manufacturing and stuff like that for fertilizer and agriculture. It's curious that, like one of the things that NASA said about colonizing other planets is that when we get there, we would have to create factories to be able to extract the natural resources of that planet because we can't just keep bringing cargo ships of new stuff. We have to figure out how to make stuff there. And there already are astrologists that believe that life could have originated on Mars, especially like millions and millions and millions of years ago and could have migrated here. So that doesn't seem to be an unreasonable thing for high level astrologists and astrobiologists. If human beings did start out on Mars and, and came here, you know, they could have built some sort of factories for some sort of purpose in the desert using something that we could not possibly understand millions or hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands of years later. Um, I know that's like a, the ancient, that's like the closest bridge I can find between the whole like ancient aliens thing, but it does seem to make a little bit of sense. Yeah. Yeah. One of the early books of Graham Hancock was about the Mars mystery as well, about the Sidonia complex on Mars, yeah, with the DM pyramids and the phasor, it's like a six sided pyramid, right? Or a five sided pyramid. Five sided pyramids and he wrote a whole book about it and, and the, with the phase of Mars nearby and then this also the, the geometry of these buildings, how they relate are very similar than how the, the big pyramids of Egypt relate and also the, the South American ones. And, yeah, according to quite a lot of research they say that very early on Mars had, had its own atmosphere and, and, and so on. So it might be like a possibility that humanity as, you know, it came, came, came from another planet and it would, personally, it would be strange that they, if they would be like coming in with spaceships and, and all these things, yeah, that they would build the, the big pyramids of Egypt, just only as a chemical plant fertilizer thing. Um, so therefore I'm, I'm more into that they integrated the designs and, and the knowledge as blueprints within the, the design of the pyramids more than they were, how to say using it, right, um, just to, to prove how, how intelligent they were, um, and how important fertilization and, and the process of chemical, right, is, um, but it's surely opens up the whole aspect of, of this lost civilization, yeah, to, to quite some, yeah, mm hmm, yeah, so, uh, it, it is fascinating the, the way the measurements there, though, like the angles of the sides of the pyramids and the whole circumference of the pyramid, it, what is it, it matches like the exact circumference of the earth, yes, that's just, that's just the, the, the golden section is also involved and the, the number of p, as well. So all these mathematical codes are integrated in the design of, of, of, of the building itself. Uh, I, myself, I created this, uh, call it the, the, the golden sun disk, um, it was a, a disk that I created to, to fund the whole project, uh, the, the, the, the matter expedition. And, and in there as well, I tried to integrate as much information as possible, like the, the, the, the flower of life, the whole 360 degree and, uh, the whole, I'll add the whole system of, of inclinations and, in relationship to, to the procession of the equinex and so on. And for me, it really feels, but by, that the ancients as well, the, the same, with, with the big pyramids, looks very simple, extremely simple, but the sophistication is, uh, an unmatched level for me. And, and you feel it as well when you're inside, like the whole, the, the, the, the, the big hall, it's, it looks like the, of the, of the big pyramids, oh yeah, the ground hall, um, on an archeological, I have to say, on our architectural level and an artistic one and a spiritual one and engineering one, it's, it's like the culmination of what humanity can, can, can do for me, never seen any building that is, is, is for me, it resonates at, at, at a higher level than, than, than that one. So, um, yeah. We just, their day even found out that they just started doing a whole, another section of excavations that go backly, tepe, and I had, I hadn't even heard that. No, me neither. Yeah. Apparently there was this whole area of olive trees that were right next to it and they got rid of all the olive trees and they started excavating all that like this huge, huge area where they're already finding stuff and they're saying that there could have been, um, like that's could have, where the housing would have been for the civilization that was there or whatever, or like right next to the, like the complex with all the teapillars and stuff like this. Yeah. That's crazy. Find that, Steve. Yeah. Right there. So this is brand new. Wow. So that's like the main complex right there with that sort of like dome and, uh, they just, that's so, where all these squares are, I guess, is where those trees used to be and they removed all those trees and like they're already finding all this stuff, all this stuff. Incredible. Incredible. Yeah. It's totally incredible. Not even that deep either. No. No. It's just funny to me how it's like, we're so worried about the narrative. We have to keep the story consistent, right? Like it's almost like, you know, the certain, certain gatekeepers are afraid of more excavations because it's gonna make it more difficult for them to keep the narrative straight, right? Like we have a specific timeline of history that's written in the textbooks that we teach. And oh my god, we can't let anyone dig too deep because they're going to find stuff that's going to like, like really throw a wrench into the story that's been told and what's been taught to everyone throughout history. And, you know, like they look at it as if it's a problem, which is so bonkers to me because it's not like a hard science that you can measure, right, in a lab or way or, you know, anything like that. It's not objective. Like the like archeology is based on telling stories of the past, right? It's a very human thing. These are human beings that are doing this. And there's just so much ego and narrative involved in this stuff that it becomes a big problem. You know, it's like psychology. Yeah, archeology is a soft science. Yeah. There are some hard elements, like the tools and the, but yeah, and it's also a very weak one, the paradigm like 3000 BC prehistory and it's before 3000 BC humanity was not able to read, write, no mathematics at all. And then 200 layers later, we built the big pyramids of Egypt. It's like starting out with a, with a Bugatti Shiron as a first car and, and so, but apparently academics have no problem with, with, with these issues, but as soon as you start scratching and, and all these things come up, it, it, yeah, it's, it's, it needs, I think what, what they are like facing is a whole lot of pressure now and it's, it's getting momentum that the whole paradigm that we are living in is going to completely collapse. And ARS. and the technologies are seriously going to help in this. >> Yeah, and you guys are using a lot of AI to sort of bring in different aspects, different data from different areas of expertise, and sort of combine them and get a good 360 view of what's going on, is that right? And is that part of your, you have this biblioteca, Del Sol, or whatever, and what specifically is that, and is that, are using AI with all of that? >> So far, it was the complete opposite of AI in the beginning. The whole idea of the biblioteca, Del Sol, which is a high mountain library in the Sierra Nevada mountains in Spain, that I built it some 15, 20 years ago, is that it was going to be, or it's a cultural arc in case that we had like a solar storm that would fry-- >> A solar storm. >> A solar storm that would fry off civilization, that's the whole electromagnetic civilization that we're in, and that we have like a backup in books and in records to be able to restart a civilization, and that we don't lose all our knowledge. And so that's the origin of the biblioteca del Sol that I built in the mountains of Spain. It's also surrounded by a whole, like embedded in a very self-sufficient zone, while a lot of people living there are off grids, and they are able to survive if in case that there would be-- >> Really? >> Yeah, like a massive, even a world war, or so like a massive volcanic eruption or so. >> How long do you take it to build this? >> It took quite some years to prepare, especially because it's at the altitude of 2,000 meters above sea level. It's one of the most remote-est farms in Spain. So-- >> The only photos of it? >> Yeah. If you go online, you will find the biblioteca del Sol. >> The biblioteca del Sol. >> Yeah. It's in Spain. >> And so you have books in there? >> We are over 10,000 books, but also seats, like agriculture seats as well. >> Oh, wow. And it's just the tip of the iceberg, because the library itself is an underground facility. Locally, the people say the bunkers, because it's a-- >> It's a doomsday bunker. >> Yeah. So yeah, there, yeah. They incite the interior. Yeah, that one. >> Oh, wow. >> Wow. >> It's very basic. It's a basic structure. >> Let's say maybe some say ounces in there. >> Yeah. Some people go there to meditate. Yeah. Yeah. So we had some issues as well with, yeah, squatters. >> Oh, did you really? >> Yeah. Yeah. But that wasn't in the farm. >> That's about us, Steve. >> Yeah. So I think if you go lower, maybe construction photos, yeah, even more, yeah, deeper. Yeah. There you had some construction photos. >> Okay. >> If you go a little bit. Yeah. That's the entrance. >> Holy smokes. >> Yeah. So it's not designed as a-- >> How much did this cost? >> As a living unit. >> Designed to store information. Yeah. >> Now did you case, case it in something or did you dig it right out of the mountain? >> If you, I think if you went a little bit backwards, like back up, there was this thing, yeah, that one with the yellow boards, yeah, that one. So that's how it was built. So we created a whole, first like a foundation layer of one thousand meters. >> Oh, I see. So you poured it in concrete. There is no metal involved, it's all fiber rebarred, so there's no induction currents might be able to weaken the metal or even corrosion, there's no possibility. So this structure is also designed to-- there's also a movie on the whole movie. >> You made a movie about it. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's online. It's called Time Capsule. >> Wow. >> And so far, yeah. >> How do you decide what books and stuff to put in here? >> So in the beginning, people were able to send books, but I was receiving so many books, I need to start selecting them, and I start selecting them on their value towards, like, a future event, so because many books after such a cataclysm might be so worth. So these are like seats, agricultural seats, so to be able to start also farming and so on. And in some way, it's like a mirror that I created in relationship to the labyrinth of Egypt, which is also, I think, designed to be a library in case that the whole-- >> You think that the labyrinth could be something like this? >> Yes. >> Like a time capsule. A backup in case of a major world cataclysm, because these solar flares, they happen all the time. >> Really? >> Like, in 1885, we had the Carrington event, which was an X 200, if the Carrington event would happen today, the whole civilization would be down completely fried, but the Carrington event was very small compared to the Miyaki event, was 400 years ago, and a Miyaki event. It was 10 times stronger than the Carrington, so we had an X2000. So an X2000 would not even leave anything alive on the aspect of computers or something, because initially, if you have a solar storm, it's like a big electromagnetic tsunami who comes in, and it's more the bigger transformers who are dealing and capturing all the energy like the long lines and these giant transformers. They fry, but if it's a way bigger one, then it fries us well, fine electronics. It's very similar to like an EMP and electromagnetic pulse, and in case of a world war, when they start like sending intercontinental missiles, the only way to stop those is using EMPs to like whack them out of course, and it's very extreme thoughts, but of course, somebody needs to do the job of saving and preserving the most important aspects of humanity, and that's what I try to do there in the mountains of Spain. Yeah, that's fast. The solar activity thing is really interesting. I recently had this guy from Denmark, Henrik. Sensmark. Sensmark, do you familiar with him? Yeah, he's fascinating. So he worked, his work inspired this CERN cloud project where they are using, they're confirming his hypothesis, the cosmic rays create clouds, and he showed data that he believes that the cosmic rays are equally responsible for the change in climate as human beings are. He thinks there's a whole chart from the IPCC on what contributes to climate change or whatever, and it shows the list of all the things that contribute to it, and at the very bottom it shows anthropologic, which is like human contribution, and it's like the biggest one. He was showing that the cosmic rays are a little bit less, but very close to being equal to the exact amount of change in the temperature as human, but the thing with the cosmic radiation or the cosmic rays is that they create the clouds, so it cools the earth more. His hypothesis or what I guess the data says is that when our solar system is going through a spiral arm of the Milky Way galaxy, this is when there's a lot more solar activity, and that inhibits the solar activity pushes away the cosmic rays, and pushes away the clouds, and makes it a lot more hot. And when we're going in between those spiral arms of the galaxy is like a big desert. So there's not much solar activity, lots more cosmic rays, a lot more cooling. And when you look at like the historical data of the climate and the ice caps on the earth, it's insane. And oh yeah, so this is what he shows, it shows the temperature change over time combined with the cosmic rays, and it's almost a perfect correlation. Yeah, it's amazing. The only thing is that the timelines are so extremely big, like millions of years, because what I like about his research is that he proved that cosmic radiation is affecting cloud formation, which is a really direct, like, in days, but these things are like millions of years, but you have quite a lot of cycles in between, like the ground solar minima and the ground solar maxima, like the ground solar minima are solar cycles. They are very well known by climates, historians, and every 200 years we have a solar minima. So the last solar minima started around 1700, 1700, 87, two years before the French Revolution. So when a solar, ground solar minima hits, immediately the climate starts to change and it affects food production. So two years later we had the French Revolution, 200 years before, that's the, so 200 years ago that one was called the Dalton Minimum. 200 years. before, it's the mounderminum, it's the little ice age. 200 years before that, we had spurtur and then we had wolf minimum. And so they are all having names. So the one that we entered now, because we entered a new ground solar minimum, it's called the adi minimum. And so these are very well known by by climates and certainly solar physicists. And these are on a cycle of 200 years. But every 400 years, they are bigger. So like a mounderminum, we hadn't over almost over 100 years no sunspots. And then we have also the bigger ones like every 800 years, every 200, 2000 years. And they've relate even all the way to to to to ancient Egypt. Because the whole effect is that in those cycles, the sun changes state. Right. And then our the earth is bombarded with more cosmic radiation. And so this cosmic radiation enters. And that creates that the polar vortexes are going out of rock in the sense they become like deeper and less stable. So we have way more droughts in the in the summer. And as well, cooler times in winter. It also changes and disturbs crop production. Again, there's also way more volcanic activity like like at the early days of one of these solar minima. We had there's always related to extra volcanic activity like Tambora and the Krakatao. And the last century. So from 1920 all the way to 2000, we were dealing with the ground solar maxima. So we had a very active solar activity. Very comparable to the medieval warmth period where we had a warm period in the mid-lages where the Vikings were able to live in Greenland. So and then of course we have also these these cycles like interglatials and ice ages. So the whole ice age cycle is around 100,000 years. And it's it ends always with an interglacial over around 12,000 years. So and now we are to variant of the of this holocene interglacial area. So and it's suddenly changing states and we have way more cosmic radiation coming in and about to get it's about to get on the on the geological scale. It's going to get very cold. It's going to flip going to flip. Yes. What do you mean flip? So that we we are going to enter like mostly the end of such time or at the very beginning as well like the younger dries. It's marked by by a major I'll say cataclysmic event. Some say that's related to the impact of meteorites. But mostly it's its solar activity. So we might be dealing with like like a solar nova event. Oh wow. And that is yeah we a solar nova event. Yeah. So you think the younger dryus was solar solar based. Yeah. So I'm I'm very into the research of Robert Chauhaswell who stacks quite a lot of proof that it's solar based meteorites might be involved because in the sense that if you have a solar events then then like the big planets like Jupiter who are like the vacuum cleaners of our helosphere are not active then and Earth can get some more combo of both. Yeah, combo of both. But definitely the sun is is is is is is very important in in in in in those cycles. But even what Svensvark is laying out that during those times of these ground cycles during ice ages we have a lot of the call it ice age dust coming in an or heliosphere. Ice is dust is is like a way more particles and we also see that during ice ages the this cosmic dust is is stacking up in in ice and we can see it in ice borehole. Cosmic dust. Yes. And so and now the cosmic dust is re-entering our heliosphere again and our sun is changing state. Many people say in the past the sun was more yellow now it's coming more white. And so explain to me why there's more cosmic dust when it gets colder. So the the cosmic dust is affecting the interior of our heliosphere. So the sun itself is surrounded by more cosmic dust like more particles where the sun is is is able is not able to emit so much radiation but it doesn't only affect the sun but it affects every planet as well. Because now the earth is is is going through a state of weakening of of our helo-mahni tok field. But all the other planets are experiencing the same. So you have like other planets like like Saturnus and so you see that their constitution is changing. So it's not like only on the earth that's experiencing climate change. And at a certain moment there is so much built up of material around the sun that the sun is affected by it and then it's it's your blows everything away. And that's what they relate to this giant kind of solar nova event. So in some way it's also being described in the Bible in the sense that the sun at the end of days becomes completely black. So it becomes like one big solar sun, a sun spot. Yeah I wonder Sun becomes black then then it becomes really dangerous. Because then we are about to experience this this massive solar outburst which which affects yeah the inner core of our earth in a sense that this enormous amount of corromal mass ejection comes to earth blows away big parts of our of our atmosphere. That's why the certain spaces or places on earth experience enormous cooling and that mammoths are like flat flash frozen. But as well it affects the inner core of our earth that the how to say the the mahma becomes so liquids that we experience huge volcanic eruptions like the one 42,000 years ago that ended the Neanderthal and so we had the explosion of the the Campi flagren in Italy which is by the way as well now coming alive it's it's a super volcano very similar to the one you have here in America. Yeah wow yeah I've never heard that before I've never heard this theory before. So when the sun becomes black it's like a giant sun spot yeah and then that means that the sun is about to go through like some insane transformation. Yes yes yes. Where it's kind of like regenerating itself for something or yes yes yes and then it it's great this and that's enough to end all life on earth. Not ending ala we're still still here it's it's it's it's it's oh we can survive that. We can survive. The reason why we're still here is because we survived so many times these these changes like the solar hours. Oh so you're saying that that's why we hear these like stories in the bible like ancient stories of the black sun. Yes yeah but I think it does reset a high technological civilization. So like if if there was like a very sophisticated civilization at the end of the last ice age and experience such such Nova then everything is like fried and then we have the whole story of the people really really bringing again civilization to humanity. The stories of the Quetzal Quitales are critiques and yes yes yeah and it's it looks like it's cyclical yeah and I think that's also the reason why today it's not really well known and I think that's also the reason why all these super rich people are building bunkers on the ground and whole on all over the world to prepare for for these events that are upcoming and how would this specifically tie into the floods? The floods there is in the crusts of the earth there's 8 to 10 times more waters than in all the oceans together so if you bombard the under the crust in the crust of the earth there's 8 times more waters than in all the oceans together it's the whole primary waters thing it's so inside the crust of the earth 8 times more in the ground. So if you send an enormous amount of radiation towards the earth that water becomes so agitated and steaming that it just like all comes out and that might completely set the whole world under water. So I would Would a solar event like this be enough to melt the icecaps? - That's another thing, so first we have icecaps. If there is a solar storm, it starts to melt these icecaps at a tremendous speed and it also can create, they call it like, classification, like melting stones. - Right. - Yeah, so that's also an effect that can happen. Yeah, it's a. I had never heard this before, there's eight times the amount of water in the earth's crust than all of the oceans combined. - Yeah, yeah. That sounds so crazy. - And it goes all the way to the idea from where it's water coming from because you have the idea of primary water. So primary water, so today we say, yeah, water is atmospheric. So it heats up, it goes, it creates clouds, it comes down the mountain and it's a cyclical thing. Where's water coming from? So the whole idea of primary water is that water is created inside the earth itself as a chemical process and it's primary water. - Yeah, and it comes out out of the earth in kind of water volcano. So certain places on earth, like that we have in Spain, like the water comes out and it's ancient water. It's like very mineralized, it's hot. - Like aquifers. - Yeah, aquifer is more like an underground storage of water, we do have giant aquifers under Libyan, so with millions of years old. And the same is, it's very comparable to oil because there are quite some people who say that oil is biological. - Oh, really? - Yes. So now we say, okay, oil is created by ancient forests. There were no bacteria at the time and it was compressed and it creates oil. But today we search down how this oil feels completely empty and we come back 30 years later and they are refilled against and where is all this oil coming from. So the whole idea that the oil might be even regenerated or created within the earth as, because we also find oil at extreme deep levels like 27 kilometers, which is not where we ever had biological growth. - Whoa, yeah, that's crazy. - Yeah, so and there are quite some other things that are the same thing with the earth expansion theory because now we think the earth is like solid. But and we do know that we have like fault lines and that there are, and originally we had pangia, like one piece of land and then we started going apart. But the aspect of the earth expansion theories, if you take the earth as like a three-dimensional puzzle and you start shrinking everything, all these land masses click together in a smaller earth. - Right. - Yeah. And it's like getting bigger. - It's getting bigger. And it also explains why some kind, several of these dinosaurs are, they are way too big to live at the gravity level of today because they have like necks of 30 meters long and have birds who are way too heavy to fly. But if the earth was way smaller it would have made it possible. So the earth is like, and it's also said that every time we have such solar events that the earth starts to grow. And that's also why all these. - The gravity gets heavier when the earth gets bigger. - Yeah, it's strong enough. - Yeah. - Whoa. So how does solar wind tie into all this? Because the solar wind coming from the sun, somehow creates like the Van Allen radiation belts around the earth, is that right? - The sun itself has its electromagnetic field and the earth itself is like a giant generator. And it's fed by the energy of the sun by like an umbilical cords. But the sun itself is also well connected to the center of the Milky Way. And the Milky Way is again connected. So it's like all interconnected thing. The Van Allen belts are like protection shields of the earth. - Right, right. - Yeah. And then we go to the heart of the matter, that matter itself is just nonexistent in the sense that it's electromanities like it's like. And so if you have like an enormous amount of energy coming into this, it's matter starts to become created. And that is one of the explanations why the earth is growing. - Yeah. - That's crazy man. - But there are other options as well, they say, from mostly it's like iron. And if you start, if you iron starts to rust corrode, it multiplies by eight in volume. But the earth expansion theory is very, yeah. - Is this a super fringe theory that's not accepted by many scientists? Or is this sort of like a mainstream thing? - It's well documented as well that certain parts of the world are connected geologically to the others. And if you start like shrinking it, it all matches perfectly. So the whole idea that Pangea, which was, now the idea is that we had like a big ball and there's was one lump mass in the middle. And everything was water surrounding it. And then it starts to split through. But if you just make Pangea the whole ball, put some lakes on it and you start growing it, then it gets like the whole other. - So is earth directly the only one that's expanding or do you think all the planets could be, is this according to this theory, do they think all the planets could be expanding as well? - I don't know, 'cause some of these plants are just gas, gas balls. - They're just gas, yeah. Well maybe that's what happens when it gets so big, it just turns into gas. - Yeah. - And then the, yeah. - Yeah, it seems most likely to me that there's this theory that if all the planets are expanding away from the sun, that if Mars was once in the habitable zone and earth was more like where Venus is, that life would have to jump back to the planet that's close to the habitable zone, right? So maybe in millions and millions of years, Venus will be now where earth is aligned with. And then we will have to do jump back to Venus. What is this, Steve? - It's a, oh, thank you. - It's an animation. (laughing) - Can I open such one? - Oh yeah, there's cold ones out there, if you want one. - Oh, it's fine, it's good. - Well, this is a weird animation because it shows the land covering all of the surface. - Yes, so the, that Bangea is not like one piece of land, Saranba water, but that Bangea was the whole ball itself. - And there was no water on the surface. - No water on the surface. And the water is created by the planet itself as well. So that because now the whole theory is that water is entering true midrides, one by one. But if the earth is able to create its water, then we have like a whole other story. - Yeah, well, there's allegedly there is. Oh, they believe, astrophysicists believe that there was more deeper and bigger oceans on Mars than there is currently on Earth, like in ancient Mars. There was probably, what's the stat, Steve? They think it was maybe eight times the amount of water, the amount of volume in oceans on Mars than it's currently on Earth, which is very interesting. Where did all that water go, did the planet just die? - What are you doing with bees? - Yeah, bees, I'm a beekeeper. Yeah, it's just started as part of me being an almond farmer in Spain and for pollination of my almond trees. And I got into bees and one bee had to be hives and then it started to do arts projects with bees as well, more as a way to help bees deal with pollution and all these things. So. - Pollution? - Yes, bees are. Today, bees are having a lot of issues with these crops and chemicals that they use. So the bees go to these crops, they bring in the nectar and when the winter starts, they start eating their own pollen and honey and then they start to poisoning themselves with the food they were collecting in the summer. And then you have these bios of bee hives and it's a big thing because bees are very connected to humanity, everything that we like to eat, like apples and it's pollinated by bees. For me, bees also became very. the way how a bee hive is also organized. Because many people think we have a queen B, but the queen B is not the queen. She's just like the breeding mother, all of the organization of the hive. It's not hierarchical. It's coming from, it's organized from the middle. So this whole B hive organizes itself from the middle. There's no, there are no directors. And which is, which I find really interesting to study towards how humanity can function as well as a unity. Like all the other bees make with the one B? No, so to start with, most of the bees are all female as well. They're all female. Yeah, very few drones are male bees. So the majority are females. And the difference between a queen B and a normal B is that a queen B is a very normal B who is fed some queen jelly. So you take a normal little B and you start feeding it's another kind of food and it becomes a queen B. This is only based on the food. So you can also compare it with information so that if you have anybody in a normal person, if you feed this person special information, then you create something else. So, and the whole organization of the hive is not coordinated by the bees, the queen B just lays eggs. There is no coordination there. It's the whole hive who self coordinates. So how do they all know what to do and how do they all stay coordinated? So they dance. And they're also extremely resistant to a whole lot of things. They are existing for over 100 million years. They're able to survive all these cataclysm. And even like La Palma, we had this volcanic outburst like several years ago and several weeks later, under the sand, under the ash, they were able to uncover a whole set of beehives and all the bees were still alive inside. So how are these bees? These have been on Earth for hundreds of millions of years. And the very inspiring, that's also why so many free Masonic and secret societies are using the bee as an example of how humanity can organize itself. It is something weird here in Florida with bees a couple of years ago. One of the universities was they were doing some sort of weird study. Look it up, Steve. I don't remember much about it. Just type in Florida University bee study. I had to do it like bees and electromagnetism like 5G and things like this or I had to do it. Yeah, it might have had something to do with electromagnetism or non-native EMF or something like that. Because in Europe with the 5G bees are very sensitive to electromagnetism. Yeah, and they also say that the bee diodes which are huge are related to 5G and the electromagnetic pollution that they get disoriented and so on. So bees are like the canary in the coal mine. Yeah, regarding pollution and electromagnetism and food and the whole thing. What happens if the bees go away? Well, when the bees go away, humanity is about to die as well because without bees mankind cannot survive. So that's how important bees are for our civilization. And the Egyptians knew that very well. Really? Yeah, because the bees were a major part of their culture. They were cultivating bees. There were also bee hieroglyphs and the bee itself. And Egyptian culture was major important as well on the aspect of the metaphysical. And specifically because they are pollinating crops and spreading agriculture? Yes, yes, pollination, agriculture, food. And also, yeah, the metaphysical thing is that bee hive is considered as a unity. So when it swarms out, it becomes like a cloud. And there is no idea that these bees have a single identity so they operate as a whole. Like a hive mine? Yes, because in the past, now we have bee space so we can put in frames and we can harvest. But in the past, the harvest was just like killing all of the bees and then taking out. So these very cozy, scap hives that you can see, the way that they were able to harvest it was just killing all of the bees and not taking out. So now the bee keepers are doing it in a way more. And the issue that you are dealing with over there in Spain is the crops you're saying. They're sprayed with like insecticides and stuff and it's really harming the bees. Yes. So the bees today, as well like in France and in Europe and in America, there are so much chemicals being used that it weakens the bees and it's very hard for them to keep up maintaining their own bee hives and then they collapse. So and that's something that started happening around like 20 years ago with the and as well as mites coming in. But the mites, many bees are able to to lift these mites which are like blood soaking little animals. And the more natural the bees become back again like they call it like the killer bees which are like very aggressive bees which are you cannot really to be keeping with them, but they are able to survive very well because they're way more aggressive against these mites as well. Because we also started breeding bees way too big than they are designed to be the bees in the past were way smaller little little bees. So now we started like breeding them all the way to giant bees to collect more honey. And as well it has to do with the food because normally if you the bees bring in honey nectar but we steal all the honey and then we put in like just like sugar water and that becomes their food. So it's yeah, you can really see the link with how humans are feeding themselves as well. Have you seen those videos of guys in Africa climbing trees and literally like grabbing the honeycombs out of the trees and they're so completely covered in bees like they somehow do it and they don't even flinch. You see this guy climb up like a 30 foot tree in Africa and people are filming it and this guy is covered from head to toe and bees not flinching at all grabbing all the honey and he's literally eating the bee hive as he's on the tree covered in bees. Yeah, what they do to in the past the expression of milk and honey now we have sugars processed sugar but in the past it was not something that sweet as honey so they wanted to almost die for being able to eat some of that substance. And honey was some kind of food for the gods and some kind of way. Yeah, I just can't imagine you know those guys being able to go through that amount of pain just to get some damn money and what does that do to them you know getting all those getting all those all that bee. I don't know if they put out like any venom or anything like that right a bee sting is there any sort of thing that's injected into you. Yeah, bees one day but they have also tricks because if you start using smoke and that's what the yes and then the bees they see smoke and then they this old survival mechanism kicks in is there's a fire coming up so then they start collecting all their own honey and as soon as they start collecting all the honey they become harmless so there's they don't sting. Oh really yeah that's one of the why they yeah you see that they use smoke. Yeah it's not fuming eight the bees out of there and sometimes you also see these these images of people completely covered under the bees. Yeah and but when a bee swarms out these guys aren't doing it these guys are covered these guys are protected from head to toe. What was the fearless and far had a video on this we did yeah I found it I found a dude that's doing it without a shirt without a shirt. Everybody's wearing face protection. This guy's a pussy. (laughs) So that looks like AI as well. I wonder if these guys that are doing this could like develop some immunity to it. If they're constantly being stung by bees like that, you know, maybe they evolved to be immune to bee stings to where it doesn't bother them anymore. - And the bossy had also bee shamans. - Bee shamans. And they used bee stings to get high. - Wow. - Yeah. - You can't find it. - And the same with the drums. Because now we have like other Tory drive journeying of the Mongol shamans. They used like drums, boom, boom, boom. But during the middle ages, when the church started to put all these people literally on fire, the only people who were able to continue were the beekeepers because the beekeepers also have like a drum, but it's a metal drum. It's like a pan and they were able to keep on drumming because they said that the drumming themselves was not for shamanic reasons, but for revitalizing the bee hive itself. So in some way it was they were able to move through this kind of Goldilocks zone of being able to keep on doing their bee shamanism and not being prosecuted by the church. - Wow. - That's fascinating, man. Was there anything else that we should talk about that we haven't covered so far? That's interesting. - Yeah, we did cover quite a lot of things. - We've covered part of that. (laughing) - What's next for you? Do you have any, are you working on doing anything in the works that you're planning on doing soon or any like thing, any updates on future expeditions that you're going on or? - So yeah, I'm moving forward with the Labyrinth of Egypt project with the realization of this field research station, get it on the ground and getting in. I'm also involved in the Giza project. So trying to figure out what's below the ground up there. - Below the pyramids? - Below the pyramids, yeah, to get into the underground there. I'm also involved in this project in Enkusko with the Chikana system near Saxo-Hua Manwale. The found is undergrounds, Labyrinth, which is between the Saxo-Hua Manwale and the city of Kusko. - Yeah. - There's an archival little steam as well at this moment, active there. And through this data archive, AI project I am setting up, everything is being connected to each other. So. - Fascinating, right? Well, thanks for doing this. It's been fascinating combo. Thank you for making the trip. Where can people find more of your stuff? I know you have a sub-stack, right? - Yeah, I have a sub-stack. It's the Labyrinth of Egypt. I have also my foundation, which is called the Matahaf foundation and also cooperating with the Archeological Rescue Foundation in America. It's also like a 501 C3 and it's like a corporation, the realization of rescuing Archeology. - rescuing what? Archeology? - Archeology. - Oh, okay, cool. All right, cool. Well, we'll link all that stuff below. And thanks again, dude. This has been fascinating conversation. I really appreciate you making the trip out here. - Many thanks. - And explaining all the stuff. Yeah, we'll have to do an update down the road when more stuff happens with this Labyrinth. - Okay, okay, great. All right, thanks again to the folks. - I'm Shannon Maldonado. I'm a member of the Archeological Rescue Foundation. I was inspired by the development of the Labyrinth and the development of the Labyrinth of Egypt. I was inspired by the development of the Labyrinth of Egypt. All of the things that have been happening have been happening in the Labyrinth of Egypt in the Labyrinth of Egypt. I was inspired by the development of the Labyrinth of Egypt in the Labyrinth of Egypt.