#42 | Stories from Europe w/ Saumyya Mishra

All right, there we go. Say that again, made one small. It's there on line. We have with us the world famous Priyanka Mischa and unlike every other time, every other episode that we have done so far, I don't know if you know her, but you must be knowing her. She is the only guest we could reach out to in most cases to join our podcast and say was Priya, hello first and then I'll introduce to the guest. Hello everyone. Hello, Songalathi. Thank you for joining. I mean, it's like me talking to my elder sister, but really, I am thankful because she sleeps by 10-30. Yeah, this is a big deal. Thank you for the very warm welcome. As always, KJ. This is just you introducing me normally for our personal calls. So it doesn't feel like I want to podcast. It's just a normal chit chat. It seems how it happens. At podcast, I've been at podcast has become like one of those TV shows, you know, where we introduce the guest, the view of such, you know, today our smart hot seat, we're betting the film full, full of ya, parts, say, song, yeah, mischa. So I do intend on doing Google Air 5 by any chance. No, but you have already acted in one short movie, but you are not keen on doing a Google Air 5. Not at all. But why? The original one, all the ones are just like crap, those are just meant on what they are. It's just a joke now. So the first one was a good mix of funny as well as, you know, comedy. I think that was one of the pioneer in horror comedy. And then there is three and all of those, but Boulboula, I feel like it started that train. And now with the two and the three, but I just I don't feel the same about the first one had that amazing music as well, we should not put that aside. What do you say Priya? You know, that will always be special to me because of Thrucker or younger brother because at that time, Thrucker was a prox. How many? So 2008 it was right? Three or four years. Yeah. So he used to that gibberish sound he used to make. He couldn't complete the word properly. And due to that, he used to sing, "Howe, Wam, howe, howe, Wam." So and we waited for the whole movie to end so that we can just watch the song. And my father, especially the most impatient person ever, he sat down for those 10 minutes after all the appreciation, acknowledgements have been done. And then the song played. It was not in sight the movie. It was played at the end. And my father, I was just looking at him how he has changed after Thrucker. So that was something. But you know what when this movie came first, it was all about this song. This song was a hype even when we were in school and we went to play with, you know, at that age, we played with we played cricket with with the friends in the colony. So everyone was talking about this song only. And then I watched the entire movie and I could not find the songs. Then I realized that, okay, in the era of no internet, we got to find everything till we find it. There's no Google search, there's nobody telling you the secrets of the movie where it is. So yeah, it was cool memory. But yeah, Somya Mishra is here for a reason and the reason is she is the first one in the family to see I feel tired. I don't remember. So, I mean I was exaggerating but how many people do you know who have been to Paris? I cannot count anyone. No, no, no, you know that, okay, but that was a big deal for us because Somya went all by herself. Yeah, it was a big deal because I have been asking my family for like, I don't know how many years now, more than five years for sure. And then I just gave up and I was like fine, you don't want to come, I'll go alone and so I found a group online and I went with that group. So this group is like a set of random people and like two or three of you together make a big group of 15, 16 people and then you go on a trip. That is so cool Priya. Why don't we get into such kind of groups? Because you live in Toronto, KG, I don't know why you didn't do that when you were in India and now you live in Canada and it's too far away. The only group you can form over there is probably like Kalistania or something. I don't know. Wait, come on. No, we can't talk about that on the part because it's risky, bro. Okay, okay. I don't want to be a censor. I don't want the, I want this podcast to be released. I don't want it to get cut down. They don't really want to talk about controversial. Of course, this is just the beginning. This is in the beginning. This is just the beginning. You know, we are already welcome to Millennial podcast guy. We have to try. I think it's seven minutes and we should apologize to the audience already because we, you know, you know, the standard of this podcast we have said the bar already so low. No, no, no, self-deplication in a lot of cases. No, I've been taught in a way that you should always always be highlighting your strengths and not weakness. So, KG, I'm not going to take it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'll just take 10 seconds to address this point. The reason we were off is because this lady, the CEO of this conglomerate, we just called say that again made the podcast, which was heard by people in 247 countries. She had to do MBA and she had to prepare for her cat studies and everything else. So, I know we were not making a career out of this podcast. Priya, so you made a good choice. So, but it mattered to some people. They were asking me as well that you haven't released any episodes. I used to listen to them. So, that's also moved to another country. Please don't do anything on Priya's head. You also moved to another country. Okay. That's the reason, sir. Siskoord is coming into the chair at this point. Yo. You were not expecting that, KG Babar. I wasn't expecting. It's very rare that I mock you, Priya. It's very rare and I think she never takes it from anyone in the center of the world. She's like back off. She can make one of you you can't. That's right. That's right. Okay. So, coming back to Somia, Paris, Europe. So, tell us, yeah, what all things happened? How many countries did you visit? When? How long was the trip? The trip was around 17, 18 days. I am very glad that I took a direct flight to Paris because half the stress and the time zone difference and the jet lags and the exhaustion of travel went away. Unfortunately, I was not keeping well when I had landed in Paris, but it doesn't reflect on my pictures. So, that's what matters at the end of the day. I remember it. I remember it formally. However, it was a very pleasant surprise to be in Paris. I had not heard the most, you know, favourable things about Paris in general and that it's not as clean as it's portrayed. There's all I think everybody knows about Paris syndrome and then there's, you know, the French people are a bit rude. They're a bit sassy. What is Paris syndrome? Yes, please tell us. Wow. I thought, you know, we just got to know that Paris is also like Paris or something. Yeah. People pronounce it this way. So Somia, you cannot just throw random technique at any time. You have to understand the level of the other two people in the panel. Okay. So, this term was coined after I think, if I remember it correctly, a lot of Asian people had a very different, very romantic idea of Paris as a city, but when they used to go there and, you know, experience, it they used to feel this extreme disappointment you know and they they felt like the city is not how they had expected it to be and so it's like it's a culture shock like they expected it to be like extremely romantic I don't know what they were expecting and then it was not what they had imagined it to be so it was like a like a it's like a psychological this thing that you expect something to be amazing and it's not up to you whatever imagine it to be and you get like anxious about it or depressed about it so that's what Paris syndrome is but I want to clarify I didn't feel that maybe because I had lower expectation or I don't know what I did not feel that Paris is not what I had imagined it to be it's exactly how I imagined it to be it was romantic everybody was extremely stylish there were cross-sounds everywhere they eat only bread they I don't know how they stay fit everybody's fit over there but they only eat like confectionaries and what not everything seemed like it's macarons and a pain or chocolate and cross-sounds and all of those things but that sounds French to me guys guys cross-sounds on the chat can we applaud can we give attention to cross-sounds yeah she just choose random French dishes on our face and then you stupid losers you know there are certain dish call it oh that exists okay tell us more about them so I don't know like all the good French deserts I mean all the good deserts in the world are somehow French originated like Echlear macarons Madeline Creme brulee cross-sounds and all of those things so what do you want to know like these I didn't eat all of those because we were there for like three four days I couldn't possibly eat so much sugar in three days but I would have got so what did you find to eat like you're a vegetarian is are there options for you to their world limited options but we did find like I had pizza I had buckets like so it's a very hard big buns but it had vegetarian filling inside it I think they they have it with wine maybe that's how they gulp it otherwise just that was a little hard on my teeth I had this one time I had cold salads apparently they don't even like it's not it's not it was not a warm salad it was a cold salad and then other than that I had a lot of all of these things I haven't mentioned like macarons from this famous outlet it's called la d'or if I'm not wrong I had croissant I had pain or chocolate all of yeah that that I had but even even that was enough oh by the way we had a Gujarati couple in our group and we were really hungry when we had gone to take a visit of the Iphiritar on the top and we had to like go down walk a little bit more two kilometers to eat so then they were there for rescue I think Gujarati we will have the best gift for sure human kind they had the plus all the time I'm so grateful so that that's also one of my core memories from Paris that top of Iphiritar and we are eating the plus which they had packed for us from India so that was that was really cool as well that was that was a good memory so just so what did you what did you like the most about so in France I believe you were only in Paris right or you visited on a yeah just just Paris so is it worth the hype is it something that it is worth the hype it's very romantic I don't know was it because it's it's a romantic city is why I was seeing a lot of couples or all the romantic couples decide we will not go anywhere in the world we'll just go to get it love we'll go to Paris or I don't know what it is didn't matter doesn't matter if the couple was like really young probably they were studying somewhere in nearby university and they're like just entering a new relationship or there's a couple who's like way into their mid fifties or anything everybody was in love in Paris right and it's so it's so surprising that the story of Iphiritar is not romantic at all but it's so it's a symbol of love for a lot of people because I remember I think it was made for some exhibition and and the Parisians hated it because they think they they they have the most exquisite taste in you know art and stuff so they they thought that it looks ghoulish and it doesn't suit the Parisian vibe and they wanted it to be removed after the exhibition was over but then then I think some scientists started using it as their laboratory and then eventually the the monument got a lot of attention from you know overall media around the world and then they started to like it that's that's that's the story of it I think something similar is the story for the Mona Lisa painting as well which is not the best of artworks but it's it has some other I think some controversy that happened around it I'm not sure of the exact story I think the controversy is that somebody or the other was stealing it it's it's supposed to be originated in Italy is what everybody believes and then it was you know stolen for a long time and then it was restored again so a lot of people no Mona Lisa because of its popularity rather than how beautiful it is because I've been to uh lose the museum and there is some excellent artworks over there it's a huge huge place to be you have to like prepare yourself if you want to go there it's really really big but I think there are some other great paintings which which are like I found them much much more beautiful but it's just that there was a huge line in front of Mona Lisa for some reason yeah and how many pictures did you take yes I be I was saying I just wanted to ask all those stereotypes about Paris these days that it has become really uh polluted filthy the roads streets of Paris I didn't find it to be the case Paris was clean I don't know if it's because olympics happened this year in Paris or yeah and could be could be they could have cleaned it because so much footfall from all over the world yeah I'm not sure but I I um didn't find it to be the case that Paris was dirty I found it to be good how about the fun side of Paris did you go clubbing did you experience some kind of no he was supposed to go to uh speak easy bar um please don't tell me you don't know what is the speak you know of course we don't know uh somebody Keri we have went to a new beach so uh you're main no speak easy bar is a hidden bar which is not like a probably like a library which is which at night turns into a hidden bar or something yeah that's what is a speak easy bar and do people wear clothes there what do people people wear clothes there so Priya what was the new beach analogy in the between I'm sorry I thought this is like I concluded with Amsterdam one no oh god by the way guys people people if you're listening somebody went to Amsterdam as well and boot the best as well and then Prague Prague was So, many of you should talk about grab now. Yeah, tell us. Can I complete what I was saying? We were supposed to go to a speak easy bar, but we couldn't go because there was like humongous line and apparently we were not dressed for the occasion. You can never be dressed for the occasion when you're in Paris. Paris surpasses everybody's fashion. And I think it was quite late also. I suppose to leave for Amsterdam the next day, so we couldn't go. That's about for Paris. Next stop was Amsterdam. Amsterdam, I found personally a little underwhelming. Not that I had huge expectations of Amsterdam, but it was okay. Like, if you are really into VDN, Marwana, and hash and all of those things, you would really enjoy it. But I don't drink that much and I don't smoke. So, when in Amsterdam, you have to try it out like what's going on? I think try the cake or something. Brownie. I tried the brownie. I immediately slept off. Like my friends, the group friends, had to take me back to the hostel because I was sleeping like anything. As if it's like a bed or something. I just slept off. So, I barely reached hostel and then I slept. I think everybody's experience is different. But for me, I felt really sleepy. And the first time experience varies from people to people. Someone feels hyper energetic. Somebody just sleepy. Somebody starts vomiting. So, all kinds of experiences. But Amsterdam, from what I have heard is like a cycle city or something, bike cities, what they call it, right? We couldn't cycle because apparently everybody cycles over there and you cannot slow down or something. There are separate tracks for it. It's a very good city to cycle in. If you know the roots and everything, you know, because if you slow down, nobody will stop for you. You'll just be like a bulldozer over. Yeah. So, it's not recommended to, you know, cycle in the main areas because we were in the main areas. We didn't know any separate, a little secluded area where we could freely cycle without, you know, people rushing us over. Otherwise, of course, it's the best place to cycle. It's a great place to cycle. We also went to the red light area at night. Of course, we have to talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. We, we, all of us had seen the movie Queen. So, we had to check it out ourselves whether what is shown on the movies is actually it or not. It's pretty much what it's shown in the movies. It's exactly like that. But what I didn't know was that it's, that red light area is also like a tourist spot. Yeah. I saw a lot of older folks. I saw a lot of mums with their, like, small kids in prams and everything, strolling. It was, it had, it has become now a tourist spot is what I understand. And it's a small area. There's always been a tourist spot, you know, whenever you talk about Amsterdam, people bring it up, like, the red light district is one of the hot spots to be. The places you must check out, something like that, but the question is, did you, did you see any of the shows that happened there? No, because they were expensive. I didn't want to spend that much money to see that I mean, no, I didn't want to. There were a lot of things there. It's not just about, you know, so when people hear the term red light district, they think immediately like prostitution, it's not just, it's not that. There were like a lot of clubs. There were a lot of strip clubs, also a lot of things. There was a museum of the history of how that place became, what it is today, there were coffee shops, coffee shops is where you get hash. So it's not a regular coffee shop people. Yeah, let's make a note down. Yeah, people call the places where you sell weed and hash as coffee shops over there. So there were that, there were all those things were there. There were peeps shows. I went to a peep show. Yeah, so for one minute you get to see someone dancing inside, that's about it. And do the workloads? They do but not. Question, poppy. Do they have clothes? Do they wear them? Or they not? Yes, but not not a lot of clothes. Are you happy now? And now that's that has put more questions in my mind. Not a lot of clothes is somewhere that we cannot stop this kind of. We need to know how much clothes. I don't think everybody listening needs to know exactly what centimeter, meter of clothes were there. So let's move on. But also we had also come to this small place near Amsterdam. It's called Zanzitians, which I like which was a beautiful quaint little place near the city. It was a town or a village. It's a small place. So Netherlands is known for its windmills. So those were there very, very good to look at. Very beautiful, so good experience. Apart from like the city or the town beauty that we usually see with the old heritage and all. The picturesque or the landscape things where the nature plays a role. How is that in the places that you visited? So Zanzitians was a little nature related experience other than that we went to all the city city places. I can't talk much about nature. So Paris is a city, Berlin is a city. I'm sorry I had a lot of canals, if that counts then Berlin is a city city. Prague was amazing. I am in love with Prague. And then Budapest was like a little rundown city but still beautiful. It's a good place. Nature wise I think apart from not even Zanzitians is a nature nature place but it was like a smaller town or a place which had like the iconic windmills of Netherlands. It was a good place. It was a nice experience. It was a big fan of Van Bir Kapoor. That's true. All the listeners, Somadee is the biggest. She is obsessed and she cried when she got to know that the first relationship, the Pika Balukon and Van Bir Kapoor, she actually cried. And I couldn't believe my eyes at how can Somadee be obsessed with Somad. That's stupid. You see the image. I am a person with feelings. Yeah. How can I not be upset? With a non-approachable person. That's what really shook me because the living obsessed with a human who is not approachable. She watched him on television doing batamees. She got married to Ranbir Kapoor. Somadee can be chill, can relax. And that is where people of arts generation got intrigued to that place or you know the whole idea of visiting Prague because somewhere in Bollywood it was shown just like how Switzerland was portrayed by Shah Rukh Khan in the early movies you know, Yeshraj movies. So Prague became one of them. So and somewhere being a diehard fan of Mr. Ranbir Kapok tell us how you felt when you went there what went through your I guess you must be very was it like a childhood dream? It was like a dream like the only reason I ever not that I am so like excellent with the world map that I would know that oh I want to go to this place in Czech Republic and it has to be Prague. I of course I came to know about it after watching Rockstar and I have been obsessed about it since then I have been obsessed about that movie as well. If by any chance by any slim chance my cousin and where watching this he knows he calls me he doesn't call me normally he calls me a say with some reference of the movie only because I watched it with him and I was all over the place I was crying I was smiling I was laughing I was in the movie I was living that movie was just great and I of course I was a dream to go there and it just came true and I had hoped to go there with my people maybe with my closest friends or my family or somebody special but nonetheless it was a great experience and I found it to be even more romantic than Paris I mean Paris is considered to be the romantic capital of the world but I think Prague is just as much beautiful that's a personal opinion but I found it extremely charming the place is extremely gorgeous. What are the cultural shocks or the differences that you could see because we have gone and raised in India and the things that happen in India some of them we cannot imagine like some of the things that happen in western world like the Europe America's or South America anything we cannot imagine that happening in India and for the first time as if we go to those places it's not something that we take it in like very casually very easily it takes some time for us to absorb how was your experience did you see some of those cultural shocks what kind of things did you experience? I think I understood from Paris that everybody is respective of their age like I saw a woman in probably her late 80s or something with a walking stick but she's wearing like a little bit of heel and like she's really well dressed and this and that so people are really focused on how they look probably and then that was one incident and then in Amsterdam I would say one of the cultural shocks was I saw a lot of there was very less of religiousness a lot of churches were being converted into bars so I think that was not just in Amsterdam I think that was that's I think probably a little bit of Bolin also if I'm not wrong but yeah lesser religious people I mean that's that's everybody's own opinion but I think Indians are a little more religious than probably Europeans yeah then is it true that everybody in Paris is gay? No not everybody but yeah I saw a lot of lot of openly gay people there and I only got to know that there are a couple because they made sure that everybody knows that they are comfortable they perform certain actions no why are you calling it a performance that makes it something entirely different just just a lot more pda that I'm then I'm used to yeah but that was that that was not specific to you know homosexual couples that was with heterosexual couples as well especially in Paris I don't know whether it was the air or they were doing all the time yeah they had wine I don't know what it was everything together yeah probably probably those countries like mostly the European countries as compared to the Americas they have a rich history like whether you talk about France whether you talk about Budapest like Hungary or other countries in Czech Republic so do you think the cultural similarity or the is anywhere like for us families very important or there's a history that has brought us together as a nation something like that because I'm asking this because you are very interested into history and knowing about the cultures so what did you observe for these countries in terms of families in terms of your family togetherness values I didn't get to speak to a lot of people over there because when you have packed five places in 17 18 days you are more focused on seeing all the landmarks then be able to speak to the locals but every place has very very complex history is what I understood like I had in my head like resolved that I'll go and I'll and like I'll go to all the museums I'll go to all the palaces and I'll take the guided tour and I'll learn everything but it's a lot it's a lot to learn it's a it just opens your eyes that just because you are aware of certain things like there are other complex theories and histories you ought to be more aware also it was quite interesting I mean for example in Paris when we were in Paris we went to this place nearby it's called Paris of Versailles so that was that was sort of like a temporary sort of head palace which was made in a little outer of Paris by the I think King Louis I think I'm not if I'm not wrong 13th but then a lot of sort of additional wings got added to the palace and now it's a museum it's one of the most I felt it's very very beautiful it the museum was much much better than Lou in my opinion because Lou was purely purely art and I didn't get to learn a lot of history over there was it was probably more for art lovers however with Palace of Versailles you get to know the history of the place and what what all was went through how did the royal families live there it was some of the facts were so weird that the Queen had to give birth to the air to the throne in front of like so many people and all of those things were like like we were to know about but you get to know a lot of these kind of facts and cruelty oriented not cruelty I mean that I I don't know why that was their tradition I'm sure we would have something which is probably unsavory to some other cultures but it makes sense to us so I'm not sure why that made sense to them but it did then you know the things which happened in Berlin I mean Berlin has a very very complex history in terms of the Holocaust the Nazis Hitler and everything Berlin wall there's so much so did you did you experience any of those things to you, like for the Nazis and the Hitler part, the Holocaust part, is there still evidence of people, evidence in the history that is not wiped off or how's it like? Can tourists from a different country go and learn about it? Yeah, I mean we took like a little bit of a cycling tour over there where our guide was pretty straightforward and pretty vocal about what all things had happened. They were of course respectful for the ones deceased but they told us things very straight that this is what had happened and like this is the place where Hitler used to give his famous speeches for the history something else but now in the later part of the history it became a symbol of you know his speeches and everything then there are memorials for you know the people who passed away during Holocaust there are still some you know Jewish schools I believe and to my surprise there are also some people who still believe that they still have that Nazi mentality and they still have that belief that. And Hitler was right. Yeah they do believe in white supremacy or a one racist supremacy is what I understand and yeah so that was also surprising to know and they are just normal people you won't know that okay they are different than this person is different than this person you you you can't know that from a person's face they're not carrying a swastika banded on on their arms these days it is just normal people but their views and their opinions and their thoughts are different than probably the rest of us so. What is the fun side of Berlin or Berlin has extremely wild side to it there are some extremely erotic bars I have heard I of course didn't go because why? you know uh Kiri sleep is more important to me so I slept off while everybody went out to sleep. I will do you even go to those trips bro when you have to sleep you miss the fun part and what do you learn you learn about the Nazis and come back no yeah I mean that's one way to see I can I have nothing to say okay this is me okay this is me I so we were we were there in Berlin for very short duration of time and one of the days we had gone to a bar and we danced there it was quite good the I think the DJs saw a big group of Indian people and he played one of the Punjabi songs and we went all crazy on it and then the next day next night also we were supposed to go somewhere there's this there are these erotic clubs in Berlin very famous world famous apparently where um you are you're supposed to wear some very specific clothes to get entry not everybody gets an entry over there in spite of the fact that they are willing to pay the entry fee um so that sounds interesting for all those listeners because all sorts of uh uh unspeakable on the podcast kind of things happen inside the inside the club which I don't want to Hey we can we can't talk this podcast it's heard by three people in total I cannot I mean people can just google kit cat club in Berlin by their own cells I'm okay with that but I am not gonna speak let me google it right away not right away you can google it later okay so yeah so that that that was the fun part of Berlin and of course Germany is known for its beer so um when we had gone with time for October Fest but that Oh right yeah in Munich and Munich was sold out like anything also I'm not a big fan of you know beer so I didn't care for it so I'm okay I'm happy to learn and be in Berlin and then move on to Prague so yeah so it was like if I if I look at it from a um outside this perspective you if you are planning a trip to Europe just ensure that you spend enough time in all the cities is what you recommend so I'm so that you know all sides of it because what what we have what we have heard and what we have seen people do is they take a Europe trip and they go to every possible um like monumental place which which they have heard of like they'll go to Switzerland to those places where a Shah Rukh Khan shot a movie they'll go to it Milan they'll go to Rome to watch some seven wonder of the world one of the seven wonders of the world they go to Paris so what do you recommend do you recommend people doing like the whole Europe trip and just touching those cities or should they spend enough time in every city and get to know about that place both good and bad have fun I think it's a personal choice because a lot of I know a lot of people and we met a lot of other groups just Indian people during the trip not a lot like a couple of them who were uh who didn't who were not very solid in their plan like they had just booked their two and fro flight and that's about it the middle part they were you know just winging it they were just going with the flow so they decided that they want to be in Munich but Munich was booked so they went to um you know uh Vienna and then they thought okay Prague looks good that they went Budapest and so on and so forth so it depends on a person's choice how they want to experience another country because a lot of people do want to do all the monumental one the checklist bucket list thing and that's good for them but there are some other people who are actually on a vacation when they say they are on a vacation they want to relax they want to just uh probably go to the farmers market experience the entire um culinary experience they want to probably indulge in some other local activities which on not a lot of tourists are aware of so it depends on a person's personal choice I agree and because you brought in the culinary experience I have heard that France has the most Michelin stars chefs did you come across any by any chance I didn't go to any of the mistakes you are not interested in food so that's the problem not interested in food you're not interested in parties you just sleep at 9 pm after your dinner what is wrong with you you're in Europe you are there on a trip you're there to have fun not during the day also during the night the fun starts I think I am a I am a night's person I think my fun starts really early in the morning during a trip and then it ends at like 10 11 pm I want to sleep so I'm okay with that like I have made peace with it I hope whoever I end up marrying also makes peace with it in this in the night I don't know anything about it in the day I have to go to the room but let's come to this question now sir you when there's solo and kind of solo but you were in a group but there were no other friends that you brought in together your family members so what is the expense one should think of when they're planning a trip to Europe let's say they want to visit the five kind of five cities that you visited they're the kind of duration like 15 hard days two weeks two to three weeks you can give a ballpark estimate not the exact figures so the flights would be 60 K around if If you book it really early, then there can be lesser, probably 50, but 60 to 70 is what you should expect for return tickets. Visa is around 10K if I'm not wrong. Then there's some euros you should carry with yourself, in spite of how much ever for ex credit cards you have, you should carry some of the euros that that's another 20,000 I think you should take for your food and daily expenses and metros and whatnot. And then since I had booked the you know package with a group tour they had looked for sort of budget accommodation. That's why it was around 1.2 lakhs, but that didn't cover any of the food. Okay. And then some additional activities and all of those. So I'm guessing 3.5 is a good amount to consider when. And this I would consider for a semi luxury trip. Yes. Okay. Which can be optimized depending on how much kind of a travel you are. And this can be optimized further. I mean you can make it 2.5 also from 3.5 you can make it 2.5 also, but I don't think you will go below that. Then you are just probably not eating anything and not experience anything because it takes money because then that's just a waste of time and money. So 2.5 is the bare minimum you'll have to have to spend even if you book your like a return ticket sometime and so on and so forth and you are eating in good places, but like probably in a day you only eat one really good meal and the second meal is like okay, let's take out our. Pappan noodles or something. So 2.5 is minimum you'll have to have to spend 3.5 is a good amount like with whatever you wanted to do. There are some activities. If you want to do you know pragmat there was also skydiving. There are other things also so that that would account for that. But there are other people who then stay in good properties they want to experience that they want to experience some Michelin star restaurants apparently. So for them then the upper limit there's no upper limit. There's no upper limit of course. Yeah, you would go to France you would want to buy all the via cells and whatnot and then there's you know some of the luxury brands are cheaper outside so there's no upper limit to how much you can spend. But yeah, let's say it's 3 2.5 to 3.5 lakhs is what you can get a great deal if you want to visit these countries and Shahman you can follow some of the mistress so that she can take you through her timeline and you'll know a lot more from her stories and her posts. So but some are honestly proud of you that you win the few years back we were just planning trips to see our fort you know a day trip to see our fort but the leaps that you've taken it's really amazing and we are so happy. Free has just dropped but it's amazing you had that kind of fun and you have stories to tell for the rest of your life that is what matters. Fortunately we the the folks I met the people who came on the trip. In the group were really really nice and good-hearted people and I touched I think that happens once in I don't know how lack million case that do you be friends with them after the trip is over. We are friends yes we have met also a couple of times yeah so people who are nearby like probably Pune Bombay we are able to meet then there are some people who are in Hyderabad Bangalore Delhi yeah in different cities. So those probably we'll see we do speak we wish each other on our birthdays and Mumbai Pune we get together. So yes we are in touch. It just took like one or two days for us to become really really like accommodated with each other yeah and then for the for the next 10 to 12 days everybody was super you know Geldav everybody was looking after each other you know I made a huge mistake of not carrying enough you know winter related clothes even though I was going in a comparatively colder month I don't know what I was thinking that I'll be able to bear with it or something so I had to I did buy a lot of clothes but I still needed more clothes and I had no space in my luggage so some of the girls were very kind enough to let me the like warm clothes whenever I and if I needed them so they were very very very every but yeah not this is just small just that there were thousands of things which I'm not able to talk about right now everybody was super nice super nice and we are all all like the I think 16 17 of us are still in touch we're great with each other. But it's really nice of them to be accommodating because you can be a tough person on that note. Thank you. Good old to them pointing that out yeah yeah that was what was missing from this podcast you like rolling me thank you for bringing that up. We have the entire discussion about you know got to know about your story and by the way people who are listening so she has been back from Europe at least a month ago right and we haven't spoken about it because I wanted her to come on a podcast share it here so that it's her off for me to know and we can bring that originality you know we just so much about this podcast. Tam anyway guys thank you so much for doing this really appreciate it you taking out the time at night as you know after 10 30 you're catching me that's a big deal. It's been a bit close to my consciousness being deals so yeah yeah so this podcast really has to do with so guys thank you so much for listening so much I was on sale that again make sharing a story about Europe and a lot more to them see you again then thanks so many. See you again bye guys. Bye.