#418 - "It's All True" DEA Operative Breaks Down CIA's Secret Sinaloa Deal | Hector Berrellez

Olen Shannon Maldonado, käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jauiilahjakaupan perustaja. Valitisin Shopify, koska alustoja testatessani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistämme tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätevästi dashboardissa. Aloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste komsi vustolla. Käsintehtyjä alustin. Käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jäi. in Nicaragua. DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, CIA, went to Congress and said, "We need to assist the Congress, fund them, train them, and get involved in overthrowing Danielo Tegas Communist regime in Nicaragua." Congress said, "No, we can't. We just came out of Vietnam. We got our bus kicked. We cannot afford to get in another conflict. So no, we're not going to fund it. We're not going to provide any type of military assistance. Definitely not. This is why the CIA decided, "Okay, they're not going to authorize it. We'll do it secretly. We'll do it anyway." We're doing the right thing here. So what do they do? They decide that they're going to get all these weapons that had been surplus from Vietnam. Retool them and get them to the Contras. We're going to, basically, they're listed as destroyed after the Vietnam War, but they weren't. They were retooled and rearmed and they were sending them to the Contras from Mina, Arkansas back when Clinton was a, was a current governor. They would train it. They started training Contras at Mina, Arkansas and they started bringing in, even back then, cocaine to support the war. And one of the main transporters at that time was Barry Seal. Now that operation, Daniel got exposed and they had to shut it down. So Felix Rodriguez was part of that operation in Mina, Arkansas back in the early 80s. So they decide that they're going to relocate that operation to Mexico and they relocate that operation to Adela Jara. And they put a CIA pilot's name as owner of this front, storefront operation in Mexico is a machinery, international, machined, and so on. They're doing is they're bringing the weapons there, surplus weapons from Vietnam, as I stated. They're retooling them and they're rearming them. And they're trying to find a way to get this weapon secretly clandestine. Remember, because this was done against Congress's suggested in order. So they had to do it secretly. So they decide that they're going to go to the Mexican government and get, get their assistance in getting his weapons from Mexico now to the Contras in Nicaragua. The Mexican government at that juncture advised the CIA and our DIA and our NSE, Oliver North and them. We can't do it because we don't want to be seen by other South American countries as violating their sovereignty. We're going to have to do this very secretly. And the only way that we can do it is by joining forces with our cartels who already have secret air strips and secret ways of moving drugs around. So then government, Secretary of government, Manuel Bartlett Diaz, who just by the way ran to Spain from Mexico just two or three weeks ago. Yes, Manuel Bartlett Diaz, who was a Secretary of government who had been postulated by President La Madrid to be the next president of Mexico. He is the one that tells our people, our CIA and secret service folks. Listen, we need to remember you guys with the cartels. If you guys work with the cartels, the cartels will help you use their secret infrastructure to move the weapons south to the Contras. So there was a meeting held by Feliz Rodriguez, CIA operative. I understand Oliver North and others who was in with the NSE National Security Council with the cartels. A meeting that was broadcast by Manuel Bartlett Diaz, Secretary of government, then who was trying to please the United States, because remember, he was going to be the next president of Mexico. So they had this meeting and they agreed that okay, we're going to use the what our cartels infrastructure to move the weapons to the Contras. So they did that. So they opened up a training camp in a ranch in where a cruise called Rancho la Vivaora, a ranch owned by Rafael Carro Quintero. They opened up operations there. Was that for growing weed? Like a weed ranch? No, it was, yeah, well, it was a ranch in your own. But the reason I don't know if that was weeded there, I really don't know. The reason they chose the CIA wanted to use that ranch because it had a very long airstrip where you was military planes, huge cargo planes couldn't I? Okay, I was under the impression and I could be mistaken here that he made like a lot of money off this ranch. I think Felix told me that Carro Quintero made like a billion dollars a year. No, he's talking to about ranch over our cruise. We still talk about it. That's another ranch. This is just a ranch that we're using to basically flying coke and fly weapons out of the CIA anyway. So as they become involved in with the cartel as far as getting their weapons from that ranch flown directly to Ely Pango, El Salvador, where they were given to the contras, was a straight flight from Rancho la Vivaora to Ely Pango, El Salvador for the weapons to go south. But the CIA then finds out how much money is being made on cocaine trafficking. So what do they do? They decide using very seal and other pilots to fly cocaine north. They learned about it. You know, they learned as they became trying this process is when they learn. Yeah, they first, they first got together with the one of our cartel to use their, their secret facilities to export weapons. But as they become involved with them, they see all of them hanging out in the hospital. It's the guards together rubbing shoulders with these guys. They see how much money can be generated from cocaine sales or drug sales. So they decide that they're going to fund it. No more. And which I was told by them, we did it for a good reason. We did it to basically combat communism in South America. So they become involved in bringing in cocaine and they're bringing the cocaine into the United States where it is delivered to Daniel Blendone, a contract, uh, Colonel and Edward Mineses, another Colonel in the contra movement out of San Francisco. So now you have Daniel Blendone, uh, who's a contra receiving a lot of the cocaine in LA. And I investigated this. So I know, I know all about Daniel Blendone. And the needle Blendone is using freeway Ricky Ross to basically supply the bloods and the cribs with all the cocaine needed. In the process, they invent coracocaine. And henceforth, we have the crack cocaine of the 80s where all these babies were being born addicted to cocaine. Cause there was so much crack cocaine that it was very cheap to get. And it was a good poor man's high. So they inundated a whole central Los Angeles with cheap crack cocaine. And of course freeway Ricky Ross is who he's supplying who the bloods and the cribs who are then spreading it to New York, to Chicago and all over the place. He's your operation. So what you have now is you have our intelligence agency bring an incalcane to support an unauthorized war by Congress. And they had to keep it really secret. If you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube and you want to be more involved, I encourage you to please come check out our Patreon community. Not only does our Patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube early, fully uncensored and ad free, but we're also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as well as live Q&As. And you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week. For me, being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our Patreon community every week has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Now back to the show. Now let's get back to the cakey Camarena. So Camarena is in Guadalajara. And he finds out that a lot of cocaine is being flown in to Rancho Vibuda in Veracruz. Kiki decides he's going to open up an investigation on Rancho Veracruz and all the cocaine trafficking. Okay. So he opens up the investigation or he starts talking about opening up the investigation. This is a separate ranch. This is not a Bufalo yet. Okay. Okay. This is after Bufalo. Bufalo had already gone down. But anyway, so Camarena goes to his boss who is also working for the CIA. I make her condolences. I'm going to open up a investigation because a lot of cocaine is being flown into Veracruz. So, he opens up the investigation, and it's taking a while for him to find out basically what's going on. But, all of a sudden, in February, he's abducted kidnaped, tortured and murdered. Prior to this, Kiki had basically been blamed, been blamed for the destruction of Rachel Bufalo were 10,000 tons of cocaine, the biggest seizure in the history of an alcoholic marijuana was destroyed. Now, here's what's important, and people should know, Camarena was not the case agent, it was not really involved in Rachel Bufalo, even though he was blamed for it. What had happened was, Carl Quintero had found a way to grow seedless marijuana since semi-amerawana, and he and Ernesto Fonseca had basically planted a lot of hectares of this semi-amerawana, and here's the thing, they were recruiting people from small villages to come work as agricultural guys, they were going, they were recruited to go work in the fields, but once they recruited them and got them to a rancho rubber ranch, they were enslaved, they were not paid, they were made to work in slaves. Okay, so we have this major, this is before Kiki was involved in all this stuff, they were talking about Rancho Viboda and Veracruz, this is another ranch. This is a Bufalo Chihuahua, so we ended up, and I'm going to first about explain how we found out about the ranch, the Bufalo Ranch. One of the workers escaped, and he went to the DA office in Hermosio, Sonora, Mexico, and he said, hey, there's a major plantation over here, I just escaped, they recruited us to work as field workers, and they're making us slaves, they don't pay us anything else, and those that tried to escape are murdered, so I want to report that. So DA, Hermosio, Nagorala Haran, our Kiki was that, opens up an investigation, they tried to go over there and photograph the fields or investigate them, but every road leading into the Bufalo Ranch was highly protected by Mexican army soldiers, they could get in. So they drive up to a mountain, and from the mountain they could see down, and they see airplane circling, waiting to land, and a rental bravo to get loaded up with marijuana. They call Mexico City and they said, hey, we need help, there's a major operation down here, and we need the assistance of Mexico City, the federal agency to come in and operate this place. They stoned Waldo for about five days, so they could basically get everybody out of there. So when they hit it, they ended up seizing over 10,000 tons of marijuana, but what was never really said in the news, they released over 7,000 campesinos that they had enslaved in there, 7,000, over 7,000, and that's a fact, documented fact by EA. That's a lot of force, yeah, 7,000 people, can you imagine how big the fields were? That's insanity. It's insanity. Okay, so what happens is, okay, so Karl Cantero is upset, and they basically say that Kiki was behind this thing, and Kiki would mean the one that basically caused the loss of these big amounts, tons of tons of marijuana. Kiki wasn't involved. He was not in the raid of Buffalo. The only participation that Kiki had was that they needed, they, the Hermoseo DEA office needed somebody to fly over and photograph the fields. And the only informant pilot that we had was Alfredo Sabala who worked for Kiki, Adamada Lahara, for Hermoseo DEA calls Kiki, Camarena and says Kiki, we need to borrow your pilot. We need him to fly over these fields over here and photograph him as evidence so we can get Mexico City to react. Sabala alone, not with Kiki in the plane flies over, he photographs the fields, and Ryan to move on the ranch in Chihuahua, and he flies back to Oda Lahara, gives a film to Camarena who then flies it to Mexico City to develop it, and there's the evidence of this massive marijuana ranch in Chihuahua. That was the total extent of Kiki's involvement, which is a very minimal involvement in the fields that you were referring to that great field. Now, Rancho Vivoda is another ranch, it's not a big ranch, as far as I know there was no drugs being grown there or anything, but it was being used as a trampoline, basically by the CIA and the traffic was to send weapons south and Plainswoodlander loaded with cocaine. Very seal landed on their numerous times with a family with tons of cocaine. Now you're going to ask me, and I want you to ask me, Hector, how do you know all this? How do you know all this information? Yeah, how do you know? I know it because I flipped a CIA agent, Larry Harrison. I flipped him. He became my source of information. How the hell did you do that? Basically I threw it into kidnapping. You kidnapped him? I threw it into kidnapping. Oh, you threw it into kidnapping. When I found out that the DFS had been involved in Kiki's abduction, because they were, the DFS director of federal security, DFS, they said, "Goodie, that's in Spanish, okay?" I needed to recruit somebody within the DFS to give me information of who was involved and what were the agents that actually picked up Cameron in front of her consulate? So I reached out to some of my sources and they said, "Well, there's a gringo that worked for DFS." And what? There's a white guy that worked for DFS. He's known as Torre Blanca. That's his name, Torre Blanca? No, that's his nickname because he's a very tall gringo. Torre means tower and white, white tower in Spanish. And it works for the DFS. That's strange. I said, "Okay, you know him?" I, I, I, I, I, I, my source of what's here in LA. You know this guy? He says, "Yes, I know him." Flight over to the harrow and put him on the phone with me and I want to talk to this guy. I want to know what he knows about DFS agents being involved in kidnapping Kiki Cameron Redna. I'm just okay. I'll do that. I know him. I'll, I'll, I'll go, I'll go get him on the phone with you. So he flies to Oda la Hara and he puts Larry Harrison on the phone with me and I says, "Mr. Harrison, this is his first name, Larry, Lawrence Harrison." Okay. And that's not his real name, by the way. That's his CIA name. Okay. So I said, Larry, I need to talk to you, I understand you work for the DFS and he says, "Yes, I do." Well, I need for you to talk to me. I want to talk to you about that Cameron Redna murder case and he says, "Hector, he says, "I'm not going to talk to you, I'm not cooperating with you, go, if yourself." And I said, "Oh, if myself?" He says, "Yeah." Okay. You know what happened to that doctor that was involved in Kiki's murder, Dr. Moshan? Did I kidnap? Mm-hmm. He says, "Yeah." Well, I'm, I'm kidnapping your white ass. I'm coming after you. He said, "You can't kidnap me." And as you watch, I'm coming after you. I'm going to have you a white ass kidnap. I'll do it. He hung up on me. And I told you getting back on the phone and he wouldn't come back on the phone. So three days later, he calls me. He says, "Hey, Hector, I saw you on TV and I know you have a lot of power over there with the DEA." And I says, "I do." He said, "You don't know what you're getting yourself into, but he said, "You know what? I'll talk to you." He says, "You'll talk to me?" He says, "Yeah." "Fly me into L.A. but nobody must know that I'm coming. Nobody." "Can you promise me that?" I said, "I'll send one of our private jets to pick you up. I don't need to bring you in." DEA's got private jets? Wow. We haven't. Yeah, it's private. Just, of course. So he said, "Okay." I know the budget was a stout. Yeah. We're receiving more than our budgets. We have plenty of money. But anyway, he flies into L.A. and I go to meet him at a hotel where I had made accommodations for him. And I said, "Larry, I said, "What do you know about cake is murder." Olin Shannon Maldonado, käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jaujiin lahjakaupan perustaja. Valitsin Shopify, koska alustoja testatessani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistä me tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittava työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätevästi dashboardissa. Aloita ilmainen kokeilus Shopify-piste komsi vustolla. "I know everything." "I said, he said, "How did you get a job with a DFS?" "With Mexico's top intelligence agency, like our CIA." "Are you stupid?" "Don't insult me like that, dude." "He said, "Do you think any white guy can just walk in and get a job?" "Any country for any intelligence agency?" "I was placed there by the CIA." "I am an employee of the CIA." "That's why it was important that nobody knew that I would aim to talk to you." "I almost fell out of my chair." "Was it the first time you'd ever heard?" "I said, "You want to know who's responsible for Kikki's murder?" "We are." "We killed him." "He said this to you." "Yes." "We killed him." "And we killed him because he was about to expose a bunch of air crews." "Well, we're training countries." "And we're not only training countries there." "We are also bringing in cocaine through there," "which we're selling to support an authorized war in Nicaragua." "And of course, we're also sending weapons, which we are retooling out of our home." "To the contrast." "I work for Ismail Felix Rodriguez." "He's my control agent with the CIA." "He said this to you." "Yes." "The DEA knows all of this." "This is the beginning of my investigation." "Where's this guy right now?" "He's just died two years ago." "He's just died." "You're not allowed to say his real name." "Do you even know his real name?" "Yes. I'm going to tell you how I found out." "So anyway, he says, "We are training troops there." "It's a contract." "We have a contract training camp there." "And Hector asked me how I know this." "And I go, "How do you know this?" "I've been there." "I was the one that set up all the towers for ground-to-air communications at Rancho Vera Cruz." "And I saw how we're training the contract there." "And he told his names out of like Colonel Thiel was there." "Colonel Petrae was there training contract." "This is before later than they became CIA director." "Oh, yeah, for sure." "And he tells me all this stuff." "And he says now," he says, "What are we going to do?" "What are we going to do now? What are you going to do?" "See, you're way over your head, dude." "Right." "You're way over your head." "I don't know what you're going to do with this investigation." "But I'm telling you." "I am CIA." "I was there." "Kiki, you wasn't there when they picked up Kiki." "Kiki was picked up because he basically was going to expose Rancho Vibora in Vera Cruz." "Which had to be kept quiet because the Kerry Commission was already investigating us for providing missiles to Iran." "I ran contra." "I said, "Whoa." "And this could not be exposed." "Wow." "And he says, "We're up to our assets involved in this thing." "And it's a major cover-up." "And I'm telling you, Dan, I am dead, very serious about this. This is all true." "You can attack me, and that's what people say." "I don't care. I have the answers for you." "But this is an anonymous source. That's the problem with all this." "Absolutely." "So this is all your testimony?" "Yes." "We're getting ready to go to trial because we arrested some folks behind our movements doing all that." "You're getting ready to go to trial." "Well, I'm jumping ahead because let me find out who he really was." "Yes." "You want to know who Larry Harrison really was because you asked me, was that his real name? No, it wasn't." "That was the name that was given to him by the CIA." "When I made Larry a source, every source that we recruit, we fingerprint." "If you want to be the format for DEA, okay fine. You want to go on DEA peril as a contract worker and informative." "What have you with DEA?" "We have to think you're freeing a print." "So this guy continued to work for you as a source." "Yes." "So we're getting ready to go to one of the trials." "So he's got a ready to testify. I don't remember what dropped." "But anyway, so the US attorney in charge of the case is Larry." "The first question I'm going to ask you when you take the stand is, is your name Lawrence Victor Harrison?" "What are you going to answer?" He says, "I don't know what to answer." He says, "What do you mean you know what to answer?" "Are you Larry Harrison or not?" "I'm sorry, I don't remember, I'm sorry, it's funny." He says, "Well I am, but I also have another identity." And he says, "Hector, did you take this guy's fingerprints?" And I says, "Yes, did you get a match for his fingerprints in his name through NCIC, National Crime Information Center?" "Yes, I did. Lawrence, what's your problem, dude?" He says, "I don't have a problem, my real name is George Marshall Davis." That's my real name. "H. Lawrence Harris is my CIA name." This stopped right here, the US attorney says, "Go run your fingerprints against under this other name." George Marshall Davis. So I ran him and it comes back that he has two identities, two full identities through NCIC and all of our databases. So I come back to the US attorney and I said, "Look, this guy is a true CIA guy. The CIA has changed this identity to Victor Lawrence Harris, but he was born George Marshall Davis in Pasadena, California. So, okay, I guess I won't ask you who you are on the stand. We're going to have to put through all these explanations. Yeah. So anyway, you would think what he would say to Victor Lawrence Harris and which he was Victor Lawrence Harris, but he's just had two identities. Right. Now, wouldn't the CIA catch wind of him doing this and stop it? Like, how could he get away with- I had him under protection. I had him with the CIA couldn't get him anymore. How so? In a halfway house and nobody knew where he was. So you basically got this guy to defect from the CIA? Yes. I thought a lot of people don't know this. That's wild. That's pretty wild. You said they're wild? D.A. guy literally gets an act of CIA operator in Mexico to defect from the CIA to another U.S. agency. Right. And that's the story you hear every day. What am I payrolling every day? That's why a lot of people, if you ask Danny, other D.A. agents, that is what Victor says or what comes out in that documentary, the last arc, is that true? D.A. guy say, no, it's not true. We don't do stuff like that. They're not lying. They don't know about it. So if you don't know about something, you're going to say, it's not real to me. My D.A. experience was not everybody's D.A. experience. Like, we have units that are very secretive, like the CIA. And when unit doesn't know what the other unit is doing. So if you go ask another D.A. agent, do we kidnap people? Oh, no. That's against a lot. We don't kidnap people. He's online. He's been told we don't kidnap people. He doesn't know that we do. And that's why a lot of agents are asking, what about what about the HHS about the CIA? I don't believe that. They don't believe that because they don't know it and they never lived it, Danny. So when he told you all this stuff, and he explained to you what the CIA was doing, and that he worked for Felix. Or Felix was his handler, you said, something like that. Did you ever try to find Felix? Yes. Well, at the time, he didn't tell me Felix's real name. Felix always went like Larry Harrison by Max Gomes. Max Gomes, right? And he could say whatever he wants, Felix and say whatever he wants. That was his name, like Victor Harrison, Laurence Larry Harrison. That's not his real name. When I interviewed Felix about two years ago, he said that he was given the name Max Gomes. Like two, he said, I think verbatim, the words he used was, he said, It was like two or three months out. after Kiki died, is when he got the Max Gomez thing he said. - Not true. Not true. Not true. It's a matter of fact, he claims not to have worked out of Wala Lahara. He was. Still is Rodriguez claims he was never assigned or worked out of Wala Lahara. There's a CIA pilot by the name of Terry Reed who worked under Philly's Rodriguez out of Wala Lahara. They were the ones that set up as stated before. My Shinry International. Under Terry Reed's name, it was a storefront. And while there, he was operating with Philly's Rodriguez, standing at the weapon's south and all that that I stated before. Padani. Terry Reed finds out that Rodriguez is shipping containers with the American seal under his company name. He finds out he hadn't been told. So he goes and checks the containers and they're full of cocaine with the American seal. So when they cross into the United States, customs will not search it. Terry Reed confronts Rodriguez and says, what are we doing here? I'm not a drug dealer. Why are you shipping containers with a cocaine under my company name with the American seal? And he says, cool off, dude. Be cool. We're doing it for the good of America. Just keep quiet. Don't say nothing. And Terry Reed decides he's not going to be involved in this. So he actually gets his wife and his family flees out of Mexico and comes back to the United States. And basically quits the CIA and later they arrest him on false insurance charges. Terry Reed. Jeremy was arrested. He went to trial and he was acquitted. But he wrote a book that Rodriguez doesn't like to be remembered about. The book is called Compromised. And it's all the story of how he was working under failure Rodriguez and how Rodriguez was importing tons of cocaine. See, I would like to sit down and become funded with Rodriguez about all this stuff. That would be a wild time. He denies it. And I would say, well, did you work for Terry Reed or with Terry Reed and Little Harrow? You said you'd never been to Little Harrow. Were you there or not? Is Terry Reed lying in this book that he wrote? He's not lying. He's still alive, by the way. Yeah, well, the thing is if he did do this stuff, he legally could not admit it, right? If he admit it, he would be a deep shit. Unfortunately not what I admit it. And also, unfortunately, that is kind of like the point of the CIA is like to commit crimes for the organization running the country to survive and to make more money. And the problem is the corruption, the corrupt nature of it and how it's spiraled out of control. Let me explain here what you just basically stated is true. The CIA, a lot of people don't know this. Don't work under UN Constitutional Law. They're not a law enforcement agency. Their operations according to our Constitution should only be foreign. They should only be involved in foreign operations. But yet they've got their hands in everything here in their country. Number one. Number two, I was brought in and talked to by the CIA. And they told me that this in Hector, what we did, you have to understand was a good of our country. We did it to fight off communism, which is going to celebrate it in South America. We did it for the good of our national security. We do not see it as doing anything wrong. If we have to go to bed with a devil to protect our national security, we will. So basically I was told, can you hear my phone? - No. - I'm hearing you. - Oh, you got a Bluetooth in your hair? - There we go. - Oh, it is. - Okay. - And we take a little break here so I can go through it. - Yeah, go grab your phone. We'll be right back. - So Steven just found this article that says, you and Wayne Schmidt, as a report to the CIA, he used Mexico's DFS as a cover in case questions arose about who was running the training operation Harris and also said that representatives of the DFS, which was also a front for a training camp or in fact colluding with major drug lords to ensure that the flow of narcotics could Mexico to the United States. And who is this guy in this photo? Let's go down. - That's what Ernesto for Cicacoreal that I would talk about. - Oh, okay. - That's what I'm talking about. (clears throat) Well, what were we just talking about? - But that report was one that was sneaked out. I wrote a lot of other reports that were kept secret by the DE after that they put top secret on them and we could take another one. So this is the only one that actually got leaked out. - Right, yeah. So the major difference between like what the DEA is doing and the CIA is doing is that the DEA, they're like, you know, you guys are like cops, right? And the CIA, these guys are like clandestine operatives trying to weasel their way through organized crime to get shit done. - Yes. That's instinctively put, that's correct. - Right. They're trying to advance their ambitions of the United States internationally to basically enrich the people that are in charge, right? And you guys are just trying to fight bad guys and stop drugs, right? So there's a built in rivalry there. There's a clash. There's a conflict of interest. - Yes, there is. - And so when they told you this, that this was real, that this is what's happening. Like we're working with these people and we're doing this stuff. Like how did you react? And how did that, did you immediately, did you continue? - Well, basically what I, my answer to was, the CIA guy that was talking to me or CIA high up officer, what my answer to him was, you know, everybody, everybody has a reason as to why they commit the crime. I talked to bank robbers and said, well, I brought the bank because my mom had cancer and we're doing sure it's the need for the money. Your excuse in being involved in murders and drug trafficking is, okay, we need to do it for the good of our national security. It doesn't basically negate that you have committing crimes. And he said, yeah, but we're not a law enforcement agency. We don't care. We do what it takes to protect the national security of our country and to protect our citizens. And if we have to go to bed with a damn devil, we will. That's what they told me. And you need to understand that they become a team player and cut your criticism of us and exposing us to criminals. We do what we have to do and we're at a higher basically level than you guys are. Drug trafficking is a problem, but our national security is a greater problem when it's at risk. So we got to do what we got to do. And you have to understand this, they told me. So role retire, enjoy your retirement and keep your mouth shut. That's what I was told. So whose decision was it to kidnap Keke? And do you think it was their intention to actually kill him? Or do you think it was an accident? - From what my sources have stated, it was, as far as their, at their level of involvement, it was Felix Rodriguez, who's his decision. - Not, he was basically acting under orders of other people above him, obviously. But at my informants or my witnesses level, they felt that Rodriguez was in charge of the whole thing. Now, and you, okay continue, sir. - Now, let's put it in perspective here. How did they know basically where Rodriguez worked? How did they come to know that Rodriguez was CIA? - The first witness that came in, first told me that there was a Cuban involved in interrogating Keke, and I asked him, who is this Cuban? And how do you know he's Cuban? And you said, because the accident, it was either Puerto Rican or Cuban, and his name is Max Gomez, okay? Max Gomez, I write it down. Running through every database I can find, nothing comes up. Six months later, I specifically told you that, by the way. - Huh? - Who specifically told you that? - My first witness that had basically been involved in the meetings for the tortured and murdered Camarena. I asked him, who interrogated Camarena? Again, he stated, this Cuban or Puerto Rican guy, but he wasn't Mexican, I know because of the accident. What was his name? He said, Max Comis Max Comis All right Make note Rem that name through all of our databases. Nothing comes up Six months later a second a recruit a second winners that was at the senior Camarena was tortured interrogated and murdered Another one of the bodyguards that was there and I ask him again Who interrogated Camarena and he says well cloud of the dead oh did this is this and there was a Cuban guy and what was his name Max Comis Running again nothing comes up a year and I have later a third witness is recruited that was there This is a higher-up witness was in charge of Ernesto Fonseca's security detail And we brought him in and I said okay you were there Who interrogated Camarena and what was Camarena asked by the interrogators And of course he names up all these other people that interrogated Camarena we threw it in you God of the dead or what you local whatever I feel it guy out or whatever But he says but there was also a Cuban guy Cuban guy It says yes a Cuban guy What was his name? He said they called him Max Gomez, but that wasn't his real name I talked to this guy a lot because he used us to play weapons to us His name is Felix Rodriguez and he's a CIA operative Security guy said this And I go what his name Is my own Felix Rodriguez CIA operative and what else do you know about him? I know he was a Vietnam He told me he was an operation Felix in Vietnam And what else do you know about this guy? How many times did you see him he uses many times he would always Flying with weapons and then we would order to go pick up the weapons at the airport And he would be with Fonseca and will seek out Fonseca would pay him for the weapons He says I know him very well I know his name is Felix Rodriguez. He used to tell me stories about when he was in Vietnam I said whoa I don't know at the time who Felix Rodriguez is He's unknown to me. I have nothing against him. I run his name boom this is After he yeah, this is how this was way after Che Guevara after he captured Che Guevara. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely And so anyway I said wow when I found out who this guy is So then I go back to Larry Harrison Larry tell me about his male failure Rodriguez And I'm gonna tell you something that has never been said on the camera before Larry Harrison tells me he's He's a CIA guy that I reported to when I was in Mexico and he's a CIA guy that planted a bomb at When they killed those American reporter. They blew him up. We tried to kill commandante saddle I'm trying to remember the place right now. I said what It's called a critique something or other anyway. I'll remember the name bomb A bomb that Rodriguez plays where they killed like six or seven American journalists. Where was this? In Costa Rica in Costa Rica. Yeah They were trying to they were trying to kill commandante saddle because he had done sideways try to find that to you Commandante's hero is here. We're talking. We're talking of eighty seven delayed 70s 40 80s LaPenka bombing that one LaPenka bombing was a bomb attack carried out on May 30th 1984 in a remote outpost in LaPenka On the Nicaraguan side of the border with Costa Rica along the San Juan River It occurred during a press conference convened and conducted by Eden pastora Who at the time was the leader of the contra guerrilla group running against the ruling Sandinistas regime in Nicaragua Pastora the presumed target of the attack survived the bombing But seven other people were killed including three journalists and several other several others Who were severely injured the bombing was carried out by an operative Posting as a news photographer and is considered a serious violation of journalistic Neutrality during the armed conflict like the assassination in 2001 of the Afghan leader Ahmed Masood by al-Qaeda agents posing as international journalists. Wow Okay, in the years after the event some journalists and activists as well as Costa Rican judiciary pointed to the United States government's CIA Which was seeking to direct the contra insurgency against the leftist Sandinistas regime in Nicaragua as Responsible for the bombing however in 1993 the man who had placed the bomb Who and who had attended the press conference under a false identity as a Danish Photographer named per anchor Hanson Was revealed to have been an Argentine leftist whose real name was Vital Roberto Okay, so they they're saying it's somebody else But they did believe it was a CIA guy who did it but they they're coming up with a different story that it was a Swedish photographer So so your guy from the CIA that you flipped when you asked him who Felix Rodriguez was He said that he was the guy who is his handler and who was the one who were responsible for placing this bomb He was involved in it. He didn't say he When you're involved in the planning of the bomb. He was involved in that. Right. He told me that that's errors and told me about that I never knew about that incident. Right when I interrogated terror. Okay Okay, that's wild So as you can see one of this is hitting so I'm like whoa mm-hmm So Harrison also tells me about How like you know Rodriguez was involved also in If facilitating the escape of another CIA operative By the name of Posades Correlis And the he meant Rosales Posillas according to Harrison planted the bomb of the of the Cuban fencing team that when it left Venezuela it blew up in the air well Rodriguez escaped and Posades Correlis forget his first name right now was arrested In Venezuela for placing the bomb on that Cuban plane in which all the Cuban fencing the Olympic fencing team perished Harrison according to him Rodriguez was him and Oliver North were involved in Helping Posades Correlis escape Prison in Venezuela for planning the bomb on that Cuban plane Wow, he said all of North was involved in that along with Phyllis Rodriguez These are things that I have deaccusations These are things that I've never said before in camera. I mean, I'm going back down to layer of Harrison The things that he devolves to me And I mean this guy was CIA. Was there any Like a hard evidence like photographs or a video of the torture of Kiki or any recordings audio And yes, there were recordings the whole torture thing was recorded You get your hands on that I had the recording type or I listen to him How did you get him? We got him from supposedly on the CIA But they were highly redacted who gave the CIA game to you. Well some of them and some of them we got other ways. Okay. We had five uh, we had four No, five re five recordings with transcripts But what was interesting is that we had a transcript for which the CIA did not give us a recording When I got the transcript and I read it and went back to the CIA and I said hey, I need a I need a tape of that copy of the actual recording and they wouldn't give it to us. Yeah I think we never got it So like how much farther did you push this? Well, the situation with the DEA was this is that Okay, now let's go back to the camera in a case and how I got involved if we can't Danny. Please. Uh So I get assigned to First of all, I get sent In 1987 I get sent to Mexico With full orders to arrest or eliminate Those that were involved in camera rate is murder or supposedly Suspected I've been involved in camera rate is murder. I have orders to So I don't arrest of course and rest of us take a real carocintero me get feliz raiardo el asu coachy local and a list of again a list of people that I'm supposed to target And my orders are arrest them or eliminate them Do whatever you need to do that So I said fine So I went to Mexico and I was involved in numerous shootouts Numerous shootouts as a matter of fact I was involved in the longest shootout in the history of DEA And I shoot out the list over Lest it over two hours in the jungles of Mexico seen a law. Jesus. That's the shootout that that's a little bit too in the last arc. The longest shootout in that history of DEA. I try to go after these guys and I even was ordered to get that other folks which I did and total secret. Finally, Tennis Gallardo gets fed up with me and he decides he's going to have me murdered now. And CIA and DEA intercept a lot of calls where Gallardo's asking that I get picked up. And they try to pick me up one time but I wasn't with my family. They almost picked up my daughter and wife and muscle plants in the law. They chased them and they were able to run to a house owned by some Americans. They were friends of ours and they shipped them out. But I stayed back in Mexico. Finally, they said, "Hector, you're going to need to get out. They're really looking to kill you." The cartel said, "I'm looking to kill you." Tennis Gallardo and Ernesto Volcic, I want you. So that's when they evacuated me out of Mexico for my own safety. After being evacuated out of Mexico, that's when I get a call that they want me to run the Amrique Camarena murder investigation. And that's how I become supervisor of operation in the Yenda. After reporting into LA and into that position, I am flown back to Washington where I sit there face to face with the administrator and basically ask me what I need to solve this case because they didn't have any witnesses. And I told them, "I'm going to need a huge informant budget. I'm going to need the cooperation of immigration." And I'm going to need Spanish-speaking ages that have experience working in Mexico. You have had all these people assigned to this investigation in New Yorkers and everything else in all these Spanish. That's why they've got nowhere. We need people that have worked Mexico. They know the culture and know the corruption. He said, "You got it." Then he said, "I want you to conduct an extraterritorial rendition." "Kenneth, what is that?" I didn't know. I said, "What is that?" He said, "I kidnap. Can you do that?" And I said, "Yes." He said, "What would it cost to get such the kidnap?" I said, "It only depends when you want me to kidnap. If you want me to kidnap the president of Mexico, I said, "It's going to be expensive." He started laughing. He said, "No, no, no, no, no." He said, "We'd like for you to kidnap the doctor that injected drugs and tortured Camarena." He says, "You know who he is?" And I said, "I don't know him, but I know him by name." He said, "Can you get in kidnap?" Or, "Can you kidnap him?" And I said, "Yes." Who is this specifically? That's a director of the DA Jack Lawn, who denies it. And I said, he said to me, he said, "What would it cost to kidnap him?" I said, "Not much." I said, "What is that much?" He said, "How soon can you get him done?" I said, "Are we going to?" He said, "You can do that that fast." Yes. How are you going to do it? Very simple. I know all the Commandantes and all the generals in Mexico. I work with them. Well, a lot of them. And we'll hire them to kidnap the doctor like the traffickers hire them to work for them. They're like prostitutes. They work for money. They don't care what side they're on. He says, "Do it." I said, "Okay." So that's how I did it. I contacted a Commandante, made him in Vegas, bought him dinner, bought him a prostitute, and told him, "How would you like to make $250,000?" And he said, "I'm luck to. What do I have to do? Kidnap this doctor for me." He said, "You got it. I'll do it." Just like that. That easy. And we did it. However-- Were you there when they kidnapped him? No, I was there and received him. Right. No, he did it all. They brought him in. They brought him in. They did it too. We wanted to camouflage it. It was done by concerned Mexicans that wanted to get rid of drug dealers. That's what we were going to put out on the news. Well, we weren't involved. They did it. Mexico themselves did it. They kicked him over the fence to us or whatever. But in this case, it wasn't kicked over the fence. They were in and arrested him at his clinic. He was a gynecologist. What? A gynecologist female biologist. A gynecologist. A gynecologist. So they took him to the airport. They had hired a pilot. We had hired a pilot. And they flew him to our passel. The plane landed. They never shut the ranges off. They threw him off the tarmac and I ran up and arrested him. Dr. Alvaro is my shine. After we went to court and it was exposed to the world that the DEA and I, specifically me, had kidnapped the doctor, the Mexican government, immediately issued a warrant for my arrest, which I had for 20 years in Mexico. When did that expire? Was that? How long ago did that expire? 20 years. How long ago did it disappear? Well, it's been a while now. The 2013, I believe. So when they, uh, when they kidnapped team, when they rendered this guy, this doctor out of Mexico and they threw him on a plane, they brought him to El Paso, right. And then you grabbed him and what was the, I assume you interrogated him? Yes. How did that go? What was that like? He cooperated. He said, yeah, he gave me a written statement that he was involved, but he of course protected himself. He said, yeah, I was called to go check on this patient and I checked him and he was in bad shape. And I told Fonseca and Ricardo Cantero that if we didn't get him to the hospital, he was going to die. And uh, Fonseca, Fonseca says get the ambulance and get him to the hospital. Fonseca wanted to save him. And Carro Cantero opposed it. So they had an argument and this was cooperated by four people, my shine and my three witnesses. There was an argument between Fonseca and Carro Cantero where Fonseca said, we got to take him to hospital. This guy's going to die. And Carro Cantero allegedly answered, we don't care if they want him dead. He cannot be taken to hospital. He's, he had been blindfolded and they had already taken the blindfolds off. And Fonseca got so upset, he says, you idiot, they're going to blame us and he slapped Carro Cantero so hard, knocked him off of his feet. He says, you idiot, we're going to get blamed for this. And your orders are further up. Further up, meaning the government of Mexico to triggers and everybody else. And Marty Diaz said that he should be late to die. So I'm taking orders from higher people than you, Mr. Fonseca. And that's why Fonseca got mad. Oh, now you're going to, you're going to, you're going to be like taking orders from somebody else and that's when he slapped him. And it was this because they're taking the blindfold off. I mean, we've had already like a three witnesses that saw this. Fonseca wanted to save Kiki. A lot of people don't know that. As he knew, it was going to be a major problem. And he told Carro Cantero, we are going to be blamed for this murder. You dummy. He cannot die. And he said, we can't expose him anymore. He's seen us already. The blinds were off a day ago. Right. And then something recently just happened with Carro Cantero, right? Like a year ago. Well, Carro Cantero has been in another prison in Mexico. He was just re-arrested again about a year and a half ago. And about two months or so ago, he along with 19 others or 18 other Mexican cartel guys were not extradited to the US. They were expelled, expelled to the United States. And he is being held in New York City as we speak and charged with CCE, continual criminal enterprise charges, which carry our life's term. And he's also been charged with a violation of vehicle statuettes. So he has not been brought to the central district of California, NLA, where the warrant for capital murder is still outstanding for his involvement. Excuse me. Involvement. I've killed in Enrique Camarillo. He is a warrant in L.A. for capital murder for Camarillo. And he was. So what is the difference? What does that mean? That he was not extradited, but he was expelled. Okay. When you're extradited, there's always yet agreement that you'll be extradited in certain conditions. And one of the conditions that Mexico always places is, we'll extradite him if you don't give him the death penalty because Mexico does not believe in the death penalty. So therefore they are charging him with CCE, which does not carry a death penalty sentence. Neither does Rico. So they were expelled. And because Carro Cantaro was expelled and not extradited, that agreement doesn't exist. He can be tried, for cake is murder, and he can, can definitely be sentenced to death. But you don't think that's going to happen. I am very perplexed as to why they would take him to New York on this lesser charges and not bring him, excuse me, to Los Angeles to face some capital murder charges. Yeah. I suspect that maybe they're going to try to hide this and not bring him to trial on the kill you come right on murder charges because all this information that came out in the last night and all this information that I'm giving you about US involvement in kill his murder will probably come out. So I suspect that they're trying to keep this all under the carpet. Tell us okay, he's been convicted, he's getting a life term, we're done with him and forget the murder charge. I suspect that they're going to try to do that. That does seem likely because they wouldn't want him to open his mouth. They wouldn't want any kind of evidence or any kind of information pulled out that's going to open that can of worms that goes back that least. Imagine this. You put one of the, just one of the wishes to say you were there. You saw who interrogated Camarena. Yes. Did God will continue to interrogate Camarena? Yes. And who else interrogated Camarena? Feliz Rodriguez. That's what they're trying to avoid. Man Felix is getting old, he's got to be in his, well how old was he in his 90s when we saw him, right? I mean, he was rough, he was, you know, he's in a wheelchair, he's old, man, very old. Yeah, a lot of those guys, we went to his museum down there, he has this whole museum dedicated to the Bay of Pigs invasion and he has pictures of all these Cubans and stuff like that. And there's posters everywhere like pictures of Kennedy with like a slash the wrist face. They don't like Kennedy. And what's this? He's 85. Oh, he's 85. That's it. He looked 90. Yeah. Yeah. He's 90. He's been through a lot, man. He's like, I've seen some shit as you very well know. But yeah, he seems to be like, you know, he was everywhere, like he was in Vietnam, obviously, you know, everything that you've just explained, you know, in Mexico and all these crazy operations. And you know, the Cuban stuff with, you know, under Kennedy, like the Bay of Pigs and, you know, it's hard to imagine, you know, what a guy like that has seen in his day. It's a different breed, I don't think they make them, I don't think they, I don't think we're doing it, you know, it's hard to know for sure. But it seems like that era in history, like the 60s, 70s and 80s was like the Wild West for intelligence operations and international crime smuggling. But, um, and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all that stuff is still happening today. I think the difference is you just don't hear about it as much. It's not reported as much in the news today. I mean, there are like lots of journalists, like independent journalists that are covering it. But, um, you know, you start to hear about stories like what you brought up in the last NARC, you know, long after it's happened, right? The Kiki was murdered in the 80s, 85, right? So, you know, almost 40, pretty much, yeah, exactly 40 years ago. So, you know, what are we going to be learning about what's happening right now in 40 years from now, because, you know, there is stuff coming out like this recent murder of this guy, El Mencho and the kidnapping of El Mayo and all this stuff, but you really have to pay close attention to kind of keep track of it. It's not reported on in the mainstream. Well, my experience, because I was involved in other than kidnapping myself with the government. And I said it from day one, El Mayo Sombala was not kidnapped. He volunteered. He didn't know what to get that because you think he's been working with the CIA for a long time? I don't think so. I pretty much know that he was. Yeah, because look at the facts, Danny, he's flown in, there's 50 and this 50 age is waiting for the landing of the plane. And the first information was that he had been tricked on the plane by a chappel son. Yeah. Is Maya'la, Rizman Beltran, or whatever his name is, and the pilot escaped. What? That's the official story. The pilot escaped. Now, if D in the FBI and the CIA and the generals and everybody in the government knows that this plane bringing El Mayo Sombala is landing there. How does the pilot bring him in escape? That was the first story. Where do they land? You know, Teresa, something around the little town, south of El Paso there in Texas, there wasn't an El Paso. Santa Teresa, same-- Santa Teresa. Yeah, that's the name of the little town where they landed. Okay. Now, if the DEA and the CIA were not involved in the kidnapping, how did they know to wait for the plane to land there and when it was going to land? Number one. Number two, the Mexican government accused the U.S. government of kidnapping El Mayo Sombala. Ken Salazar, the ambassador, says, no, we're not involved in that operation at all. We did not kidnap Sombala. He's not lying. Sombala turned himself in. And the reason he turned himself in is because Sombala had been at the DEA for four years. He'd been working for the CIA in the DEA. Of course, they're not going to say none of this. If you--I'm going to remind you, when El Chapa was being tried, El Mayo Sombala was in Mexico and he called his son El Vicenteo, who was being held in a federal detention here. He used the DEA to go into Vicenteo's cell and say, here, your dad wants to talk to you. Vicenteo takes a call and El Mayo Sombala tells them cooperate with the U.S. government, to testify against El Chapo Guzmán so El Vicenteo and El Mayo Sombala's brother, El Raeg, were the two major witnesses that testified against El Chapo Guzmán and Chapo Guzmán's trial. You're saying El Mayo got to them. I got a DEA agent to walk a phone into the prison cell. Sure. That's a fact. And El Mayo told these guys to-- El Mayo told his son to cooperate with the U.S. government and go ahead and testify against El Chapo Guzmán. I guess El Chapo Guzmán. Because he has a relationship, and not only that, the DA was behind getting El Mayo to tell these people to cooperate against El Chapo so they could convict El Chapo. I mean, I know how it works, you're not what I kid me. All right. So what happened was El Mayo somebody decided that he wanted to get out of Dodge and get into hot now with a war with El Mancho with the Sinhalo Ag. and they were at war with each other. He decides to get out. His brothers are already cooperating with this and so is his son. So he decides he's going to turn himself in and cooperate with the U.S. government. The reason it has to be like this then is because number one, the ambassador of Kent Salazar is not going to lie out to the public and say that we were not involved in the kidnapping, which we were not because it wasn't a kidnapping. And he told the President of Mexico, the other sign-up, we were not involved in that. He's not lying. El Chapo decides that he's going to cooperate. And he basically says of the scenario that he's being kidnapped by El Chapo's son, who turned him in, who was on the plane with him. And basically surrendered there. But here's the thing. What's interesting now, currently in the Mexican uses, guess what? They found the pilot. Oh, yeah. The Mexican government found the pilot. What do you say? He said he wanted to meet turnover to the United States and guess what they did a couple of two days ago. What? The pilot is here again. He's here in the U.S. Yes. Is this reported on? Yes. Is it Maro Alberto Núñez Ojeda? Yes. I mean, that's a finite, yes. So, now, what do you make of it? You're an intelligent guy. What do you make of them? Why would Mexico not interrogate him from A to Z on El Mayo's kidnapping or El Mayo's whatever? He was involved in the beginning. into the end of the pilot, we supposedly let him go. He goes back to Mexico. The Mexican government now has just picked him up and now they deport him over here. - Without interrogating him about how am I or God's here? It doesn't make sense, does it? - You know, unless people in the Mexican government are just taking bribes to, you know. - Something is not wrong with this picture. Something is very wrong with this picture thing. Something's up. Why, with the Mexican government, who supposedly is upset and saying we're violating Mexican sovereignty by kidnapping out of mayo, they made all those accusations against the US when they get the pilot that knows everything, they don't even interrogate him or investigate him, they send him back to the US. - What do you make of that? What do you think? - I think, I firmly believe that all mayo surrendered himself. They made this story up and he was kidnapped and all of that which he was and he surrendered himself and I believe that. - 'Cause it was getting too hot. He didn't want to deal with it anymore. He wanted to eject. - Not only that, he became a government. He testified against all these former presidents he paid off and he provided a lot of testimony. I guess I'm big guy by the name of Maduro. - El Mayo did. - Yes. - He gave up shit on Maduro. - Yes. - He meant others. And then all of a sudden, Maduro's picked up after El Mayo came in. Remember El Mayo was the biggest drug dealer in the world. - Mm-hmm. - Okay. And now everything's so quiet on El Mayo, you don't hear anything about El Mayo. - Yeah, but aren't his, isn't his son now running shit? - El Mayo flock was supposed to be by and sealed the scene of all cartel over there. - Yeah. And they're like in a little civil war with Los Chepitos, right? - Los Chepitos who have become part of the Nero Acañerasión cartel. - Okay, this is what Stephen found. The pilot of the plane was arrested in Mexico last year and handed over to US authorities. At Wednesday's press conference, another FG, okay. Who's Boon? Boon is, he's mentioned earlier in this-- - Okay, yeah, I don't know who the hell Boon is. Boon said that Nunez was, okay, Nunez of the pilot was deported to Mexico after flying the plane to the United States. And he subsequently continued committing crimes in Mexico and tells her rest. He said that Mexican authorities transferred Nunez to the United States after his arrest. Okay. The pilot was apparently released after landing in New Mexico and allowed to return to Mexico. Let me ask you, let me make a comment here. Very important comment, a big observation here. Why would we release him to Mexico after supposedly he but he put stupid and he kidnapped him out of my own? And then that Mexican government deported him back to us. - Right. - Why wasn't he charged with anything? - Yeah. - That's why I say out of my own surrendered himself. There was no kidnapping. - Yeah. And kidnapping, why would you arrest a pilot? - Yeah, but you seem like El Mayo. I mean, this guy's got to have billions of dollars, right? - Yes. - Like, why wouldn't you just take off to like, I don't know, a foreign country or some island somewhere like in the Mediterranean or just disappear? Why surrender yourself to the US? - His whole family's over here. - Oh. - Mayo sons over here, everybody's here. - Yeah. - Right. - Why would he stay in Mexico and be subject to being killed by the Mexican government? So before the Mexican government betrayed him, he betrayed them, he came over here. - Here I am. - Yeah, made a deal, made a deal, leave my family alone. - Are you following why I say that he was not kidnapped? - Of course. - If he was kidnapped, I did kidnapped. There was a warrant for my arrest. The pilot that I used to get that Dr. Machine was interrogated and beaten to death in Mexico. He died during the interrogation. The pilot that brought Machine over. This pilot just let go. How many AP IEDA's were there waiting for the plane to land with Mayo, 30, 40 of them? - Right. - And the pilot just, oh, let him go. - And do you think El Chapo's son was on the plane to provide the cover story? - Yes, he was. He was on the plane. - And specifically just for the cover story. - Yes, and he's also now operating witness. - It's crazy how long and how deep the CIA and DEA has been working with the cartels and how synergistic that whole operation has been. - Absolutely. - And currently the US has indicted a former governor of Cinaloa, Ruben Rochant-Moda. - Have a one-way arrest. And they've asked Mexico to extradite him specifically directly to Claudia Machinebaum, the president of Mexico. And she refuses to extradite, and she's protecting him. Stating that she needs evidence of his involvement in drug trafficking. And the US say no. Under the extradition treaty, we have a warrant. You're doing it about to turn him over. And she says, I'm not turning him over. She's protecting him. And this guy, okay, was involved in murders and everything else. He's a major, major, not a copolitical that goes between the government of Mexico and the cartels. He's the one that founded a lot of money, cartel money to a former president, no piece of the Rose campaign. And also allegedly, have basically provided millions of dollar stores, Shymab's campaign, and there's information also that is the list that Chapitas also gave Shymab the president of Mexico, $21 million. So the whole mixing and government is corrupt. Now, Donald Trump was very correct in dichlorium terrorist organizations because the Mexican drug cartels have killed way more thousands of Americans than Al Qaeda and Hamas. Every year, over 100,000 Americans die of fit and all overdoses. Hasn't that been declining, though? Hasn't that number been declining? I saw something recently. Well, maybe, but there's still a lot of people that are using it, not everybody's dying. Right. But excuse me, I wanna make a point here on your show. I wanna make a point that the Chinese have started or have filed or initiated a satellite war against Americans by providing the precursors and the training of how to make fentanyl. They have declared war on us. And over 100,000 Americans die at an average of fit and all overdoses every year. Now, and when you investigate that, it is not that Yakuza and the Chinese criminal elements that have basically aligned themselves with our cartels of Mexico is the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party. They are the ones that are basically providing the Mexican with all this stuff and also weapons. And talking about weapons, a lot of the weapons that cartels get like the drones that the cartels have, all that very sophisticated military weapons that cartels now possess were sold to them by the Ukrainians and were also very corrupt. And that's the secret. So what are we doing about all those issues? But I will state, let's not kill ourselves. You know, these countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, now, China, they're all against as they hate democracy. They're all socialists, commoners, countries and they hate us. And they declare war on us. And I'll make a statement here that was much, I guess, dated or put out by Fidel Castro was, we are going to destroy the United States and we don't have to fire one bullet destroying them, drugs. And all these people that think they're cool by using drugs and everything else are only contributing to their destruction and the destruction of our country. And it's not cool to be out there dealing drugs and using drugs and everything else. You're only destroying yourself guys and girls. And what do you think about the argument that legalizing and regulating these drugs would destroy these cartels? 'Cause there's other countries that have done that and they've been taking that money that invested that into rehabilitation centers and doctors and all kinds of things. And there's been strong arguments made that that could be a huge deterrent to slow down and to stop the violence. And also you can get a lot of money by regulating this stuff. And you're, my position of that is that I agree that law enforcement hasn't worked. And I agree and I'm. one of the biggest supporters of drug addicts shouldn't be arrested. Drug addicts are sick people that are being manipulated used by the cartels to make money. I don't advocate at all the arrest of people that use drugs. People that use drugs are basically sick people. The drug addiction is a disease, Danny. And I feel sorry for those people that are out there homeless in the parks. If you look at all those homeless in the parks of L.A., the big cities. A lot of them veterans too. 99.9 of them are drug addicts. They're not there. Those are the victims, the real victims of these cartels. And yes, I agree with you that maybe law enforcement is not the answer. But making them illegal, I don't know about that. I don't know how that would work. Because I think we need to attack them more by education. And taking care of our addicts, man, don't put in jail. They're not there being homeless. And look at their from all races, multi nominations, from all classes. Kids are very rich people that are out there homeless because they're drug addicted. And I am the biggest supporter of education and finding, trying to find other means other than just throw cuffs on everybody and arrest everybody. I don't believe in that. Especially I couldn't even do my job at the end. And if we did do that, if we did legalize that stuff or decriminalize weed and cocaine and all the biggest drugs that are trafficked across the border into the US for the cartels. And I'm sure that is a huge portion of their revenue. Would that really stop them? Because I know they're into a lot of other stuff. They're into like avocados. I know a lot of them are into like oil, like transporting oil and shit. Like they're into a lot of legitimate businesses, providing security for Chinese companies that are extracting lithium and shit in Mexico. Like they're everywhere. It's not just the drugs. Right. They're into everything. But here's one of the things that I don't let's imagine. And I've been just saving hours and all the day where we did this. We we brought up scenarios. Okay, let's say that drugs are legitimate in the United States. They legalize all drugs. And you're going to have a party at your house. And you're going to invite everybody to your party and you're going to ask him, what kind of beer do you like? My likehors. You like cocaine? Yeah, I have a little coke there for me. How about heroin? Do you like a little heroin? It's legal. I can't get some heroin if you want to shoot up here at my party. Okay, let's all have fun. Drugs are legal when you use them all. I'll get heroin. I'll get cocaine. I'll get whatever, meth, whatever you guys want. It's going to be a haven for attorneys, dude. Because if somebody overdoses and dies at your house, I'm going to sue you. Yeah, that's what education goes on. What are you going to have nurses and doctors at your parties to make sure that nobody who shoots up too much heroin and dies? Right. It doesn't make sense. Well, you need the education. The education is a huge part of it. People need to be aware of this. And that's where I'm going. You need the education. I don't think honestly that one thing or another is going to work. I think a combination, some law enforcement, not to the extent that we have it now, education and rehabilitation. We need to concentrate more on just putting people in jail and throwing cuffs on people. But unfortunately, our country is also corrupt. And wherever there's money and there's greed, there's going to be corrupt politicians, corrupt drug dealers. What have you? At the end of my career, I couldn't work anymore because I was at a very high level in my agency. And I knew that the CIA was bragging in tons of cocaine. We seized some of these CIA planes with cocaine and money and arrested the pilots and guess what? We were ordered to give him back that cocaine, called our US Marshal's release the pilot and give him their money back because it was a CIA operation. Okay. But yet, didn't tell Hector Berez see that white kid over there? He's selling ounces of coal. Go arrest him. I go arrest that kid. He gets 15, 20 years in prison, but I just did another guy go with 20 tons of it. Okay. And I knew and we the DA knew that these shipments of cocaine. Well, you know, it's funny. It's not funny, but you lay all this out. And at the same time, you say all these countries, the South American countries, you know, like Cuba, Venezuela, they hate democracy. Well, at least they're not faking it. The people who run this country also hate democracy. They just pretend that they don't. They pretend that we live in a democracy. We don't fucking get to vote on shit. They're going to do whatever they want to do. Exactly. And that's where I'm at. And that's why I'm here because I'm exposing the corruption. I don't agree with where the cleanest country in the world. I'm getting interviewed a lot by Mexican TV stations. And I always say, yeah, Mexico always corrupt. Yeah, Mexico is a corrupt state. Yeah, Mexico is being robbed by the cartels, but it gives white folks that you listen, give Mexicans a listen, a corruption. We are as corrupt or more corrupt than Mexico has stated it. And we depend on Mexico too. Exactly. We depend on them for a lot of the, a lot of our biggest companies depend on them. In this country, in this country, if you don't pay your taxes, you know what's going to happen to you. But yeah, they take your taxes. And they steal them. Look at what they've done with all the, the situation in Minnesota, the MGOs. They say that their funnel and money is up to buy condoms from Afghanistan. You think that money's really going to buy condoms? It's just going there and being brought back to that. Or to genocide people in Gaza for another country is able to do a war over there or to invade Iran. I don't think anyone voted for their tax money to go over to the middle fucking east. Think of how rich we are. Think of all the billions that they've stolen. And we still haven't broken the country. We are totally corrupt. Totally corrupt. You know, and I'm not here saying that the Democrats are corrupt. The Republicans are corrupt. They're both corrupt. Two sides of the same coin. One of the things that we see is, okay, we have identified all these GMOs and all this corruption going on and all this stealing of American tax dollars. Who has gone to jail? Hardly anybody of significance. We can prove that all this billions of tax dollars have been stolen, siphoned. Who is being held accountable? No one. In LA, in California just two or three months ago, they found out that I forget $24 billion had gone to build homes for the homeless. They built two townhouses and the two companies, construction companies, were charged with stealing millions of dollars. They built two townhomes. But yet they got like, I don't know how many million, three or four million dollars. Maybe more than that, but because in LA, one house cost you a million dollars in LA. Yeah, like a one-medroom house. Maybe it was 40, 50 million. I don't know how much it's sold. But they just arrested the owners of the construction companies for stealing all that tax money. Wow. And that's just those two companies. I mean, wait till they get into, you know, hospice and Medicare and child care and all the millions of dollars that go to these things. They're gonna find out that most of them are like Minnesota. They don't even exist. Hold that thought. I want to go more into this stuff that's happening in Mexico right now, but I got to take a leak real quick. Okay, so I'll be right back. Going back to the Kiki Camarena thing, you were mentioning to me just off camera a minute ago how you were getting attacked from the people who were above Kiki and there was constantly this sort of weird recruitment process that was happening back or not necessarily, it wasn't going from the CIA to the CIA, but the CIA was always trying to recruit people in the DEA. Is that correct? Yes. The CIA infiltrated the DEA with CIA operatives. Right. Basically, when I was in charge of the Camarena, oh, no, when I was in charge of the mass advanced Cinaloa DEA office in Mexico, agents arrived, supposedly sent to work for me by DEA headquarters. And they were assigned to me as DEA agents. Later, I found out that there were not DEA agents. They were undercover CIA operatives being brought into Mexico. So as DEA agents, but with a DEA, even I as a supervisor were never told they were CIA, they were spies within the DEA. Not only that, the CIA always wanted to recruit DEA agents to become like sources of theirs and offered us payment. They offered me $3,500 to become like a CIA contract worker. And I asked, okay, what would I be getting paid for? What would I have to do? And they told me that I would have to devolve all of my sources of information to them, and also our drug operations to whoever was going to be my control CIA operative. But I could keep my job as a CIA supervisor, and a lot of the DEA agents took those jobs and took those positions. So there were DEA guys that were under CIA payroll, and then there were actually CIA operatives that were brought in undercover into the DEA, FDA special agents. Question, and you probably have right now, why would they do this? Because certain countries would only allow, let's say, 10 CIA operatives to work out of the embassies out of their country. But the CIA would bring them in as DEA agents, but they were not DEA agents, they were CIA operatives. And then there were those DEA agents that were recruited as basically the country workers for the CIA while the DEA agents. And also, so the CIA, I'm sure it makes a lot of sense why they would want to do that. There's so many reasons. I mean, I'm sure they'd want to keep track of everything the DEA is investigating to make sure that the DEA stays away from them. You know what I mean? They don't want the DEA starting to get some sort of a tip and uncover some crazy CIA operation or some CIA front that's happening, because as you alluded to earlier that the CIA operates on a invisible layer where they need to get shit done, they need to stay, keep everything a secret. And we don't need some crazy wild cowboy DEA guy coming and blowing up their spot. Right. And another thing is that like the CIA, like the DEA, they have different units that are compartmentalized, that one unit doesn't know what the other units do. Yes. If you were to ask, just an ordinary DEA agent that was working when I was working there, what do you think about Hector doing these black operations kidnapping people and all this other stuff? He would say, we don't do that. We don't do it. I don't believe we do that because they're innocent. They were never brought into these spatial units. The CIA's got the same thing. The CIA operatives swear that the CIA doesn't do anything corrupt because they're not assigned to those units. Right. A lot of agents in the DEA say, I don't know anything about that or what Hector did or whatever. Mm-hmm. Because I've never heard of anything. I've never heard of it. Right. Because we were sworn to secrecy. We were sworn not to devolve what we were doing. Operation Leando only reported to the director of the DEA. I didn't even report to a special agent in charge of a division. I went straight to the top to the director of the DEA, I had a direct line. So a lot of the things we were doing were very secretive and other agents didn't know what we were doing. And we were not allowed to discuss what we were doing with our other DEA friends. Their friends would ask me at parties, hey, what's going on with this? I said, I can't talk about it, dude. But everything's cool, we're doing our job, we're getting there, but I can't tell you anything. I'm not allowed to. You know that. How much do you think the director of the DEA knew about this stuff happening? Do you think that there was any sort of fuckery happening between the CIA and the director of the DEA? Yes. As a matter of fact, the director of the CIA, Jacqueline, had been assigned to anti-terrorist unit within the CIA as an FBI agent. So he basically had to have done a lot of stuff that the CIA was doing. And what about people that were like closer to Kiki are around Kiki working with him? Do you think any of those guys knew they were working for the CIA as well? They didn't know. I didn't even know. And I had CIA guys in my office and I didn't know there was CIA. What about Kiki's boss? Kiki's boss was, I believe, I believe was one of those DEA guys that was recruited and I'm not CIA payroll because he was the one that actually from my sources was involved in, involved in planning that kidnapped enough Kiki camaraderie along with Felix Rodriguez and I understand all over North. Did you ever interview him? Felix Rodriguez? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Did you ever interview Kiki's boss at the time? No. No. No. He wouldn't talk to me. He hates me. Is he still alive? Yes, he is. Why would he hate you for trying to solve the murder? Because he's corrupt. He can't work. He can't work. He can't work. I was taken money from the cartel guys and he knows that I know it. He took money. From Fonseca, he took money from Karl Kintaro. As a matter of fact, I've heard the interrogation tapes where Kiki's been interrogated and by who? By the cartel guys? Oh, okay, yeah. Rodriguez, the cartel guys and the people that interrogated Camarena during his torture. And Karl Kintaro asked Kiki, he says, "Why did you betray me? I sent you money." It's right in the transcripts of the Camarena transcripts and the tapes. And Kiki answers, "You didn't send me any money. I don't know what you're talking about." I don't know what you're talking about. I never got money from you. I didn't betray you. Karl Kintaro, come here right on tape. Wow. Who has provided the most pushback against you for this, for the last arc? Like who, who's been the most outspoken opponent to this idea or this theory that you come up with that, you know, that Felix was involved with this and this, you know, uncovering this whole operation behind the scenes. Has there been anyone high level that has come out and accused you of lying and making the story up other than the American government? Jack Landa, director of DEA. At the time. At the time and continues to say that, it's all a lie. Remember where he came from? Before he came into DEA to become DEA director, he was assigned to the CIA. Oh, he was in the CIA before he got into the DEA. He was an API agent, basically working at Langley CIA headquarters. I can't enter. But he was a DEA assigned to work with the CIA. That's what he came from. Well, he's been very vocal about saying that I'm lying and he uses a reporter, the name of Elaine Shannon, uses her voice. She's a writer and reporter to say that it's all a lie. And here's my pushback on them. I had three witnesses that I recruited that were at the scene. That's all. Who entered the committee come in right now and what come in right now was asked. And I also have the transcripts, okay. And they all say that Felix Rodriguez CIA was one of the main interrogators of Camarena. Now, detractors of mine don't want to say that this is not true. They don't have one witness that was there that can say that the witnesses that I recruited are telling the lie. So if I would lie for the detractors and the naysayers to at least say we have two or three guys and we're also there and they're saying you're, your guys are lying, not one. So how can they say that it's not true? Who's telling them that was there that's not true? Nobody that I know of, right? Yeah. I mean, in today's day and age, I just think that I don't think that anyone with an ounce of reason would be able to argue against your whole case and your the whole story of the last narc. I mean, it's, it really is tragic as it is. It pales in comparison to all of the other atrocities that, you know, we basically know the US government is guilty of and complicit in where there's just no analysis, no answers given. They just sort of throw their hands up and then the internet just argues about it, you know? Like all of all the other things that are that happen all the time that, you know, all the crimes that the U.S. government commits. It's just kind of like the norm now, right? Like people, I feel like people, especially in my age group, are kind of used to this. And they kind of know this is the M.O. of C.I.A. Well, one of the major things that I've come across is people say, "Well, Philly Rodriguez says that he wasn't there, that Philly Rodriguez. " Yeah, he says. He's wondering what Alahara, he told me he was in Miami that day. Okay. What is the thing? Until now, you didn't know that Rodriguez had been accused of smuggling as a C.I.A. opera, "Tons of cocaine" by Pylate Terry Reed. Right. I would like for you to confront Rodriguez and Terry Reed, I'd like to confront him and say, "Okay. You wrote a book saying this guy was a smuggling tons of green. I don't want Alahara where Kiki was killed." Is Terry Reed still alive? Yes. You still alive? He wrote a book, it's called, "Compromise the whole story of Albert Rodriguez was muggling in tons of cocaine." And Rodriguez is like a hero, "Oh, I capture Che Guevara, I'm a hero." Come on. And that's another thing he didn't capture Che Guevara. I interviewed General Molina and Tedon who were involved in the old capture of Che Guevara. Well, there was some Bolivian guerrilla forces that captured him, right? He just like came in and like tried to do an interview with him. He was at another location called Santa Cruz, a little village of Santa Cruz. Che Guevara was captured in Bayegrande, which is about a two-hour flight from where Rodriguez was. They captured him. In Bolivia, right? In Bolivia, the Bolivian army captured him. He has not sustained mortal wounds. He's shot in the stomach and the leg. He's taken to a school room where he's being held. They call Phyllis Rodriguez. He flies in by helicopter, and I have interviewed the guy that actually killed Che Guevara, who actually shot him, who actually shot Che Guevara. Okay, the guy that Rodriguez ordered to kill him. Really? When Rodriguez was there, Che Guevara was alive. He tried to interrogate him, and Rodriguez peed in his face. I mean, he gave out a speed in Rodriguez's face until he get out of here with Guzano, which means warm. I'll talk to you. So according to Tehran, who was ordered to kill Che Guevara, Rodriguez told him, shoot him from the neck down so he wouldn't appeal. I've appeared like he got him in battle, but kill him. Right. Exactly. He shot him and then Rodriguez came back in. That's a real story. Yeah. Anyway, I think that's the way that Phyllis told it to me as well. Okay. He didn't pull the trigger. He didn't tell me he pulled the trigger now. He said he ordered it. He ordered it on to kill him. Exactly. Yeah. He told me that. Right. He never interviewed Che Guevara. Che Guevara hated Rodriguez. He wasn't going to talk to him. He speeded in his face. He said, get out of here. Warm. I'm not going to talk to you. He did say something though. He said that Che Guevara said, like at least he answered one or two of his questions. But he said, he did say that he was not willing to talk to him, didn't want to say anything. But he did, I can't remember exactly what he said. But he did say that he did say that he got at least one or two things out of him. Right. I can't remember. So I did. And doing my investigation of Rodriguez, I actually flew to Libya and interrogated Tedon and the general that was in charge of the unit that captured Che Guevara. I did. So that's what I learned. So what's there to be a big hero about? Yeah. That he goes over the interest of interrogating him and then later, oh, he's the guy that captured Che Guevara. He went great. Yeah. He tried to interview him and then just like did a photo of him. That's the extent of it. But going back, yeah, the CIA was very much involved with the DEA. The CIA had agents in the DEA secretly put in by them. Headquarters DEA knew it. And most of them ended up in the CIA operatives that were brought into the DEA with the equidentials and badges, informed assignments like Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, and those witnesses. Fast forwarding to where we are today, how much different is it in Mexico today as far as like the DEA and the CIA footprint? Do you think? I don't know if things have gotten better. When I was there, there was a lot of distrust and dislike of each other. We had, they had a deep-in-deep thought of us and didn't like us. I didn't like working for them, even though I did work with them. The way it worked with the DEA is I would get a call and say report to such a place where you're being teeny white over to the CIA. Pull up my gun a little bit closer. Pull up my gun. I would be called and say report to the embassy at Mexico City, let's say, and you're signing your TD-1, you're doing an operation with a CIA and that's the way I would meet with them and they would tell me what they needed from me, how my participation was basically going to be used. Mainly it was using my informants to identify locations and different things I can't talk about. When we did major operations, I was sworn to secrecy, I had to sign documents that I was never going to divulge what we were doing and to this day, I can't divulge that because I could be arrested and charged for basically violating a neutrality act, violating a sequence of our national security. So to this day, I can't talk about those operations. Well, it seems like you are divulging things that could be a risk to their quote-unquote national security. So it's amazing that you haven't been arrested for the stuff you have talked about because you. Yeah, because when you do those black operations, you have to sign and what I talk about, I never signed any paperwork. See, in other words, they can back it to you. You were ordered and you signed here that you were not going to violate. And those NDA say explicitly if you talk publicly about any of this stuff. Yeah, exactly. You give us the right to take you charged with violations of security. All this blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, prison or whatever they can charge you with. How much do you know about this El Mencho capture, or El Mencho killing? I have been told by sources and I suspect highly that El Mencho was executed on his way to the supposed in the hospital because he could have devolved a lot of information corrupt by the current government. So basically they killed him, so he won't do what El Mencho is doing now, is giving up on government officials. See the cartels? The cartels are not the bosses of the drug trade. The guys really running the drug operations are corrupt, high government officials. They are the ones run. They make the cartels and you store the cartels. One of the cartels answered them. And the cartels answered them. And that's a fact. Okay. So the cartels, yeah, they buy them off, they pay them off, and they're working with them. And I need the sick bucket when I hear Clotha Shamba, the president of Mexico saying that our operations are violating the sovereignty of Mexico. Because he's talking about the sovereignty of Mexico, the Mexican citizens in the government and the country of Mexico has no sovereignty. Their sovereignty has been sold off to the cartels. She says, "Well, you know, the U.S. is trying to come in, your Trump's going to send troops in here to arrest our cartel guys without Mexican's permission, they're going to violate our sovereignty." And it's a lady, what sovereignty are you talking about? You've already sold your sovereignty to the cartel guys that put people in Mexico, they have no say in anything. You and the cartels are running all the corruption out of Mexico. Remember, if you support a terrorist organization in any way, you know, financially or covering up for them or whatever, you are basically in violation against the terrorist act. So if you support terrorism, you can be charged with supporting terrorism. And the Mexican Morena Group, the Mexican leading of the current administration of Morena, has been supporting the cartels. And now that the terrorist organization is now, we can go after them finally, meaning the corrupt government officials that are providing comfort and support to the cartels. So there's also such a thing as a Mexico that, "Oh, the U.S. is going to violate their sovereignty by arresting cartel guys, give me a break." They have sold their sovereignty to the cartel guys, meaning the government officials of Mexico. Right. And what would that even solve? Let's say of the American military decided to march in and arrest 1,000 cartel bosses all across Mexico. Like what would that even do? Wouldn't that create just a power vacuum that would get filled? A arresting cartel boss is not going to solve anything because there will be others that will rise at the heads of the organizations. What you need to do is cut off the corruption, cut off the government officials that provide support, comfort and protection to the cartels. So when we have a government in Mexico that is legitimately going up to the cartels, if we had a legitimate government in Mexico that wasn't corrupt, the cartels wouldn't exist. The problem is most of the Mexican army generals are under a payroll of the cartels right now. And Clyde or Simon the president of Mexico is in a very delicate position because if these generals go against her, they could do a basically thorough out of office. And then if she goes up to the cartels, the cartels might kill her. So she's in the middle. If I go up to the cartels, the cartels could kill me. And if I try to basically straighten out the corruption by arresting the generals, commandantes and other governors that are corrupt, they're going to go against me and do what they call it, they could be crying, get me out of office. So she's in a very delicate situation. She's got Michael Rubio, Secretary of State, saying, Hey, I want these guys. And then you have the corrupt generals in the United States, you better not turn them over. And this is what's going on right now with the governor of Cinaloa, Ruben Rocha Moya. We haven't died at him. We've requested that the government must turn him over. And she's refusing to turn him over. I mean, this guy is known to be corrupt and known to be part of the Chappito organization and working with the Chappitos with a new act in the election cartel. But yet she's protecting him. She won't turn him over. So why do you think the Mexican army or special forces decided to raid element shows that compound where El Mencho allegedly was, right? Like they allegedly had RPGs and shit. It was like some crazy, crazy war zone that was created there. The Michigan government makes this cartel guys. And whenever they become inconvenient or become a problem, they do away with them. Like they didn't mention. That's all there is to it. Mencho basically wasn't playing ball with the current corrupt government. So they said, okay, he's expendable. Let's get him. That's why all Mexico suspects that are not tripped to the hospital under the helicopter. He was assassinated. Everybody in Mexico believes that because of the high level of corruption in the Mexican government. After that happened, there was allegedly like all this crazy violence that broke out within 24 hours of him getting killed, right? Right. And all kinds of people were assassinated. Like bars were shot up. There was, do you know how many people were killed? It was like a 24 hour spree or something that happened across the whole country. Several thousand people were killed. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And what was that about? It's basically that cartel guys made as a government for killing him. It was deportation. I guess the Mexican government that killed El Mencho. Because they knew that he was assassinated. And that's why that way they protested, I guess. Yeah. It's just it's hard. It's hard to track, you know, because there's just so many factions of different cartels. So they're warring against each other, you know, especially post El Mayo coming back to the US. It's hard to track, like new hell, the new generation cartel, you know, the golf cartels, you know, and they they all do different things. And you know, there's also like weird alliances with different cartels. And it's just, it's very convoluted, very, very, very hard to track what's going on. And if Mayo was working with the CIA for so long, you know, how many of these dudes like El Mencho are working with the CIA as well, you know, like how, how many of these, these newer, these younger cartels, like these new generation of Mexican cartels are working with American intelligence and the. You know, that is interesting. Now, of course, I don't, I don't know the answer to your question there. But for years, the CIA has basically worked with criminal organizations in support of their operations. And they believe that because they're not a law enforcement agency, they can do that. They can go and basically align themselves with criminals. As long as they're meeting an objective having to do with national security, and they don't care. And don't secret that the CIA was involved in plotting the assassination of Edel Castro. So, you know, they've been working with each other in organized crime for years. And again, they can do it. Now, as a law enforcement officer, you can't do it. You can't go and basically, you know, commit criminal acts with, with, with, with the criminals you're investigating, which is very hard for me to do when I was in long-term undercover operations, because when you're running with them, and they ask you to kill somebody, what are you going to do? You're going to have to kill somebody. They'll kill you. You know, what almost a young agent, I wanted to be a very effective undercover agent. And it was an old guy in DEA. Oh, old guy. I don't even know what he was doing. He was doing with the DA that had worked, uh, had worked during the prohibition time. And nobody wanted to work with him because he took the back row and he's kind of stunk. He was an old guy. Nobody wanted to go to surveillance with him. It was Bill Caden. Now forget the guy. But I like to go with him because I would, you know, tap his brain and asking questions about undercover work. If he had been a very undercover agent, back in the old days. And one day we're seeing them watching the Mexican border. And I said, Bill, I said, how do I become a very effective undercover agent? I want to be a good undercover agent. I want to be great at it. He says, well, you're halfway there. He said, you look like a crookal rating. That's all I'm always dressed like this. And I said, but what does it really take? And he says, what's a German shepherd? I said, a dog. He says, no, he's not. He's a domesticated wolf. He says, you're a German shepherd. You're a domesticated wolf. So now we're going to make you run with the real wolves. And if you're going to survive running with the real wolves, what are you going to have to do? What the wolves do, right? And I said, yes. So just remember that when you're running with the wolves, you'd better do what the wolves do, because if you don't, you're going to devour you. At the time, I didn't really give him much thought, but later I started thinking about what he told me. And I told myself, well, if I'm undercover and I have to kill somebody, and if I don't, I'm going to die, then I'm going to have to kill somebody. So a lot of times you have to kind of like, hmm, do things in the gray area when you're undercover. Do you ever get into situations like that? Yes. I never killed somebody, but where I had to, you know, come up with some idea of how I'm going to get out of doing a crime with him because you're testing you. You're undercover. You're undercover alone. You're undercover in Mexico. You're undercover in the jungles and the, I've seen a law. What are you going to do? You're alone. You better be buried. So on that level, now that you wonder that you, the fact that you understand that, can you at least put yourself, can you put yourself into Felix's shoes when he was there with Kiki? That's what, that's what I was trying to do. They were trying to tell me, Hey, we do it for, for a good reason. Yeah. We, we, we violate the law for a good reason. I don't hate Felix Rodriguez. I really don't even know the man. I don't know the man. But that he was involved in Kiki's interrogation and murder. Yes, he was. I fully believe that he was thinking orders, not further up. So yes. And he was undercover. And that's why he was CIA. He must think, he must think that I hate him. But I don't, yeah. I don't hate the man. I don't even know him. All I know is I go with the facts and the evidence of, follow, follow all the evidence in the crime. And I have, and I have been placed there by more than one witness. What do you think would have happened to Felix if Carl Cintero and all those other guys knew that he was undercover CIA guy? They knew. Oh, they already did know. Yeah. So he wasn't even in that situation. He wasn't even pretending. No, no, no, they knew he was CIA. As a matter of fact, Ramon Lira, the late, the last witness that I brought up in the Ramon Lira murder case, that was present at the location when Kiki was being tortured. He asked, Fonseca, who is this guy? And so he's our CIA friend. And he's been a Vietnam. And then he got to talk to Rodriguez and Rodriguez discussed about how he was involved in Vietnam and all this other stuff. He knows Rodriguez. Right. And he knew, and Fonseca knew that Rodriguez was CIA. He, they knew. Remember, they were married. The cartels and the CIA were married so that the CIA could use Rancho Viva. So he wasn't even in an undercover situation. No, he wasn't in an undercover situation. He was, he was, he was, they were well. openly working with each other. And he was probably not afraid for his life at all, because they would-- - He was all-word CIA, operative. And what's interesting, Danny, is that he was supplying the cartel with weapons. The witnesses informed me that before even kicking it was picked up. Rodriguez would show up at the Fonseca's residence, and then not after he showed up, Fonseca would say, go to the airport, he would pick up these weapons. There were weapons that Rodriguez had flown into the airport, and the bodyguards would be sent to the airport to pick up the weapons, and they described the weapons to me. So Rodriguez was selling weapons to Fonseca. The head of the cartel back then. How advanced do you think that the cartels are now, like as far as weapons and surveillance, and spy tools and stuff like that? Because you say the military is paid off by the cartels. They're giving them intelligence, they're working with them, they're helping them. Like a lot of these, like Mexico, I know, gets equipment, and shit from advanced first world countries, like Israel and the United States. So like, is it possible that the cartel is getting some of the most advanced weapons and spying software and shit that you see countries like the US and Israel have too? - They do. - The cartels are getting very sophisticated weapons, and like I said, one of the sources I understand is Ukraine. - From Ukraine. - From Ukraine. - From getting drones or getting all kinds of equipment, night vision equipment, weapons, even biological weapons. - Biological weapons. - They have all that stuff like cartels to be as they do. They're very well armed. As a matter of fact, our Mexican army won't take them on because they're a bit wrong they're the Mexican army that cartel guys are. Remember, they've got a lot of money. And as far as intelligence, of course, they have-- - You think they have a nuke? - What's that? - Do they have any nuclear weapons? - I don't believe, I have not heard that. I've heard that I have some type of biological weapons they can use, but no, none of their weapons. But remember the cartels, because of their money, have corrupt government agents working for them. Some of them emit cars, some of them have been exposed, but they have corrupt DEA agents, API agents, CIA agents working for them too. I mean, for them to give you couple to three million dollars is nothing. They're making billions, almost three million dollars with the drugs. That's how big they've gotten. They're transnational. I mean, they're selling drugs in Europe all over not just the United States. We can't lose sight of that. And they have a lot of money. They can put out the DEA agent on payroll for a million a month. So they have infiltrated also our corrupt, our law enforcement agency said agents that are corrupt. How many agents have been arrested in the last year, three or four DEA agents have gone down the tubes for taking money from cartels working for the cartels? DEA agents? Yes, sir. How often does this happen? It's a Gary was arrested, what a year ago. I forget his first name, several, several DEA agents have been arrested, working for the cartels. So they have the money. They have the resources to penetrate even our agencies. So they have great intelligence. And as far as military equipment, they have the latest. Because they have the money. How do you think they get away with running operations inside of the United States? Like for example, like in the forests and stuff in California, like Northern California, like the grow operations that are up there. I understand right now that there's a lot of marijuana growing going on, basically owned by the cartels. The cartels have hired people here in the United States, legitimate citizens. They hire them to open up the marijuana dispensaries that are opening up all over the United States. They say, okay, you get all the licenses, you open it up, we'll give you 30% of all the money that's made there. And they use them to lend them money. And they also have marijuana girls in the United States to supply the cannabis stuff to the dispensaries which they own. That's going on right now. So a lot of these dispensaries that you see going on, they're owned by the cartels in this country. Yeah, that's one of the things that David was pointing out. I had another guy, John Norris, who was pointing that out. He worked for the FWC and he was explaining how there was like multiple shootouts in the woods of California with these cartels. And like they were doing all kinds of crazy stuff, like setting like Vietnam era booby traps, like punchy pits and stuff like that, like barbaric. It's going on right now. Yeah, the fact that that doesn't get more attention by the United States military is insane to me. Like what are we going to do in Mexico when we can't even get rid of cartel grow operations that they're having in California? That and the fact that for some reason, our media, I don't know why, they don't seem to be interested in publicizing none of this stuff. I mean, it's not like it's unknown. Just nothing, nothing is being said in the news that people are not being educated of these secret operations that are taking place as you stated right now in our country, mm-hmm. Like, there's all these 85,000 or whatever children that have been imported that are unaccounted for. What do you think a lot of them have ended up? A lot of them are being sold by the cartels to legitimate families. You know, a family can't have kids. They don't qualify because of all the restrictions to illegally adopt a child. So do they go to the cartels? What do you want? You want a little girl, 10 years old? How old do you want it? Give me $20,000 here. That's what they disappear to. And some of the kids have even been exposed to basic, you take an organ out of them, like kids and stuff. This was in the Epstein files. - Yeah, that's all really happening here. Where are those children disappeared? - Yeah. - So we are, we've got problems with corruption here too. I mean, how does this happen? That's what they don't address is where are these children? - Mm-hmm. - Who adopted them? Who about organs from them? - You know, off of them. The women, prostitution rings all over the place. Where are they? Most of the women that are being brought illegally by the cartel guys anyway, before they bring them over, young girls, they're all raped. - That are trafficked across the border? - Yes. Not only that, the cartels remember, in the '80s and '90s were not involved in human trafficking. The cartels were only drug trafficking. Not involved in human trafficking and everything else. - Everything else. - Right. If you're Chinese and you wanna come into the United States or, you know, as it was here maybe five years ago, it cost you $20,000. Now, if you didn't pay the cartels $20,000, the coyotes could not bring you across. You had to pay the cartels $20,000. Now, you were from, let's say, El Salvador or Guatemala, or whatever, the price would be less. It would cost you $5,000 to the cartels before the coyote could bring you across. So the cartels started capitalizing it. And they finally got involved also in controlling human trafficking. So now the cartels basically, you need to pay other cartels before you can come across illegally. Thank God that finally has been shot down, but they were making money hand over a fist with their involvement in human trafficking. Yeah, it's insanity, man. But when it comes to like the equipment that you say they're getting from Ukraine, they have drones and biological weapons. That's terrifying if they have biological weapons because with one of the things about weapons like that, which are almost as maybe even more terrifying the nuclear weapons is that it's almost impossible to attribute them to where they came from. And like one of the things that keeps countries from going to war, like nuclear war with each other is the mutually assured destruction. 'Cause if we launch a nuke, they're gonna launch a nuke and everyone's gonna fucking die. But if a rogue criminal organization like the CJ and G cartel or whatever cartel decides to let loose some pathogen in Mexico or in the United States and all of a sudden this spreads around the world like there's no repercussions 'cause they're a criminal organization that is responsible of answers to nobody. That's right. I don't understand the stand or how potent or anything I have been told that they do have biological weapons, they have everything because they have the money to buy it. And remember, we have criminal countries now that are involved in drug trafficking, trying to destroy us and I'll repeat again, the Chinese have declared a silent war against us by inundating us with a very little drug which is fentanyl. you know, these countries are not our friends. I don't know how to explain to people that government, a Mexico, a Morena government is a socialist communist type political, political organization. They hate the United States. Lopes of our door hated us. You try to expel all the D.A.'s out of Mexico. They're not our friends. And they're being used by the Chinese generations and everybody else, especially. There's a lot of rights since Chinese and Iranians in Mexico right now. I heard through another gentleman who is a journalist working in Mexico that the cartels got really pissed off when cocaine started getting mixed with fentanyl and people were getting killed. People were dying because I allegedly, that was the reason that I heard people were dying was because they were getting these weren't people that were like seeking out fentanyl. These were people that were trying to use cocaine and it was accidentally tainted with fentanyl. And if your cocaine is all of a sudden causing all these deaths in America, well, that's not good for business, right? If you're killing your customer, customer base, the cartel is not going to be happy. Right? Maybe the Chinese will be if their goal is to kill people, but the cartels they want money. So I heard that there was like this big warning that was sent across Mexico to all the cartel members saying that like stop lacing shit with fentanyl. We don't want to be killing people. And they were like threatening to kill people over that. And from what would I heard, it could be wrong was that they kind of addressed that. And that might be the reason why the overdoses, specifically the fentanyl overdoses since 2022, 2021 have been going down significantly. I know is that the chapitos were very much involved in the production of fentanyl. And all I know that has recently occurred as far as fentanyl was as of about six months ago, the governor of Bolivia was Chihuahua basically had been reporting a major fentanyl lab in her state. I believe it was Chihuahua. And she wasn't getting a response from the from Mexico City, from the government in Mexico City. So she got her state agents involved with DA and the CIA. And they went in and blew up the lab. And in escaping out of the explosion I guess two CIA agents and two state police agents flipped the car and got killed. So it was exposed that CIA and DEA had been involved in the destruction or blowing up of that fentanyl lab. And the president of Mexico was very upset at the governor for allowing DEA and CIA to become involved in blowing up that lab. And from what I understand, the governor of that state that allowed it basically was afraid that she was going to be arrested on orders of the president for violating it makes the consulting. She was more upset that she was leading DEA and CIA work in her state and had caused the explosion of this lab and was met at the governor over violated Mexican sovereignty by the 18 Americans working her state. And that's been all over the news in Mexico. What is the relationship of the current president, Mexico with Trump? Not good. They don't like each other. I understand they don't. Well, Trump is not happy with or let's put it that way. So there's no out right that I know information that they they they they're arguments or whatever. But I do know that from what I hear from my government sources is that Trump is very unhappy with Shimon's basically cooperation. Remember Shimon is an atheist and she's a communist. She's a socialist. She's not she's the drugs or hugs not drugs lady who's currently right. Hugs not drugs. That's her thing. Yes. She's basically me leaving it or stating that she's going to fight the cartels with dogs not drugs as her former boss the former president Lopez of a door did. He actually went and said I'm going to basically come back to the cartels with hugs not bullets. And that was like a huge period of time that allowed them to strengthen drive. Right. As a matter of fact, when opposite law first became president within two months of his presidency, he went and visited a couple of months mother twice. That's nice. And I'll remind you that when that occurred, it was back in 2019. Right after the scene, a law cartel had murdered 18 members of the men and I religious school that were traveling to Mexico for a waiting celebration. They were intercepted by the cartels and there was all women and children traveling and there were most of 13 of them I think were executed. Babies were burning their baby chairs by the cartels. Americans Americans. Yes. And and and Trump was very upset over it and complained to Lopez Obrador who was in prison 2019 and happened November 2019. It is that hey, we got to do war against this cartels. And that's when opens the door when public said we're not going to do war with the cartels. We're going to fight the cartels with our brassos not balasos. So what do you think? Well, if you're in charge, what would you do? If I was in charge? If you're in charge of if you had like the president's ear and you could make any decision you wanted as far as like combating the cartel problem and their destruction to the United States. What would you do? I would do exactly what Donald Trump is doing is going after the heads, going after the corrupt governmental officials. You go after the president and if he or she's corrupt, go after him and die to him and try to get him out like we did Maduro. That's what you got to do. You've got to pull her out. Do it like a kidnapping ever and extradite or whatever render her out of the country. Not only her and everybody else. All the other governors. Yeah, but my point is isn't like with the Maduro thing, we got Maduro out, but we didn't do a regime change. It's just the same fucking another head of the snake is in charge there, right? It's just that that was all about oil that didn't really change anything about the government or the people there. So if you rendered her out, wouldn't that vacuum just get filled by somebody else? How's that going to change? I think why now we have them very worried right now. They're on the run right now because we have indicted several government officials to include the governor of Sinaloa. I think that it's effective to go after these people that create the cartels, that support the cartels. It's time that we go after the corrupt officials and we have to bring him out like we did Maduro, then we bring him out that we did Maduro. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to file them because the corruption just goes so deep, you know, the deeper you go, like eventually you get right into, you know, you find a revolving door into the government of the United States. That probably allows the shit to happen. That's my issue. Yeah, we're also corrupt here. Look at what happened during the Biden administration. Even more so. We are more corrupt. Seriously. Look at, I mean, is there, is does Mexico have their own Jeffrey Epstein? I don't know how you can get more evil than that. I've never heard of a Mexican Epstein. Well, the only thing that that is really, really bad about Mexico and I'll mention it right now is the fact that no other place other than us watch, have we seen incineration camps, gas chambers where people were killed? Right. In Mexico, four incineration camps have been uncovered. That last one was a covered salsa, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's evidence of over 400 people being burnt to death. And this incineration can make the shoes, the shoes of all the people there. There was like hundreds of shoes. There's not even baby shoes where they have whole families were executed. They were burnt alive in the six extermination camps in Mexico. Well, I don't understand if this is major stuff occurring now. And you know, in this is our press, then he doesn't cover it. Nobody knows about these. It's covered in Mexico. In incineration camps, where people are executed. That's going on now. It's like a modern day Auschwitz. Right. Right in Mexico. And they're just killing and who specifically are they targeting? Anybody that opposes the cartels? Yeah. Anybody that's arrival to a cartel, if you're like here, arrival, let's say to the Nueva Generación, they'll pick you up. Not only you, your children, your whole family, and go kill all of you. That's how they control through fear. Right. Okay. And the ordinary people in Mexico, the regular people, they don't go out at night. They're so afraid of the cartels because the cartels patrol the cities. Can you find like a real article instead of like they are Wikipedia? NPR. NPR, Mexico and shock after discovery of a parent cartel training range. ranch and killings. Mexico has been in shock over the discovery of a ranch that was apparently used by the cartels for training recruits. A family members of Miss People say they found those bones, found bones and makeshift cremation ovens. God, that's insane. That's what I'm talking about. And this was posted when? Go up. 2005, to the last year. That was the biggest one that was just uncovered here about six months ago. I don't know. That's an older one that they're describing in that article there, but here's the thing. Why are we outraged by that? Right. Well, also, you know, some of the most horrific videos, like propaganda, execution videos that we see from like the Middle East from, you know, like ISIS and shit, it, the ones that Mexico does, the cartels do are 100 times worse and more brutal. Like there was one I heard a guy talking about where they made a video where they surgically removed the guy's face, the skin and then cut his tongue out and then pulled his heart out still beating all on video. There was one video where they had killed nine army soldiers and they decapitated them and they posted them at the plaza under basically lying face down, but their heads on top of their back facing this way. Nine of them decapitated by the cartels. But yet the cartels are, you would buy a lot of people as whole heroes. They make corridos, they're called corridos among them. And these are heinous, crazy people. Look at the chopper who's mind, he's a total social path. He's the kind of guy that can be cut in your head with his right arm and you're in a sandwich with his left arm. No feelings. A social path is a person that can pass a polygraph and lie to you because he's not in fear of anything. They have no feelings. They have no soul. And they're also raised into this environment from a very young age, right? Very young age. They're raised into this very. So when you're a kid, when you're a child. Exactly. And you're being told to take a gun and go shoot and kill people. That's right. Like, imagine, you know, what does that turn you into when that, that's the way your brain is formed and it develops into this world like there's no escape. Once you're, once you're raised, brought, you know, brought up into that type of stuff and indoctrinated into that violent culture from a super young age, there's no escaping it. You're fucked. No, yeah, agree with you. And that's true. They are raising social paths every day. It makes it cool. Yeah. And they're also like, you know, glorifying, you know, on TikTok and like making TikTok videos on like, you know, who has like the, you know, the gold plated guns and this El Mini leak guy, the security guy for, for, for Los Chappitos, you know, they all drive around and like huge lifted trucks and have guns and stuff. They think it's cool. Like, it's part of the culture there. It's crazy. It's crazy how it's just, you know, how it's evolving, you know? And it's getting worse and now people ask me from the time you were with the 80s and 90s, how has the drug situation gotten, what's the difference? And I will say this, it is triple worse and I was with, when I was with the 80s and 90s, triple worse. Nothing has stopped them. As a matter of fact, the cartels and the drug situations has blossomed to the point, like I said, where these cartels are so rich that they're able to buy, even biological weapons, they have, they, they have all the sophisticated weapons that we have. I mean, to go out and take out the cartels, even if we send troops, it wouldn't be easy. They're, they're ready and they've stated publicly, we're ready for them or needs to come in. We're waiting them. They feel they can, they feel they, they have a, they have a chance to do one with us because that's maybe that's why we don't fuck with them. I don't know. I can't answer that. Maybe that and the combined with the fact that some of the biggest corporations in the US rely on Mexico to produce their shit. Tesla for example, you know, they have huge, huge operations going on in Mexico, manufacturing their cars, Ford and not maybe not Ford, but a bunch of the huge car manufacturers, you know, and then other countries, I'm sure, have huge operations in Mexico that they don't want to get upset. If you know, if China is mining tons of minerals and lithium and shit in China and hiring the cartels to help them with that in Mexico or in the US gets in the way, you know, it's probably such a hornet's nest. It is. It is a major problem. It's just starting to see, I mean, I don't know where we're going to head, where we're headed with this thing, but we're headed in the North direction and taking out the corrupt government officials in Mexico and any other country that's basically like Maduro. I mean, those are drug trafficking countries that are supplying drugs to destroy us. What did you think about all those stories that the news, the big news corporations were putting out there about these little like single engine boats, like center console boats and canoes, trafficking cocaine from Venezuela to the United States and like blowing them out of the water. Did you think that, what did you, what did you make of that? They were saying that all these little, they were showing videos of these like little like, you know, like 20 foot fishing boats or 10 foot fishing boats carrying cocaine from Venezuela to the U.S. and saying that was the reason we had to do these military operations because of the drugs and the boats. I think that it's correct that we did that and I'm going to tell you why because if we don't, how are we going to stop it? They don't understand nothing but violence. A resident hasn't worked. You know, we arrest him and then we have the liberal, the liberals over here, the judges. They just turn him loose. It's not a detour. Turn who loose? These people that get captured, once they're arrested by the, what do you call the close cart? I don't know. Our turn basically blows them on and they end up back in their countries. So basically, I agree with that. I agree that we have to stop them. So I have a friend who's a lawyer and he, he actually, you know, he's worked with lots of cartel members. He gets flown, you know, first class to South American countries and go to a Ritz Carlton to meet with like cartel bosses and shit and they hire him. And he was explaining to me, he's like, and I don't understand the legality of how that works. But anyways, he was explaining to me that all of these like super wealthy cartel bosses that hire him to do shit, they never pay any repercussions for anything. He said, all the people like the poor fisherman and the farmers, like the ponds of the operation that are the ones like driving those type of boats, those are the guys that ended up in prison. The guys who are making all the money who are in charge, they live with impunity. Do you think that's true? No, that is true. Very true. They live in impunity because why? Because they work and pay off corrupt governments that protect them. Yeah. And you're right, it's always a poor guy, the low class guy, the people that are the mule, the most desperate people, those are the ones that get blown up or get arrested. Yeah. And. And that's why that felt like fear. We felt like theatrics to me or like some of that stuff seemed fake to me, that whole thing. And like who's going to take a single engine, a single motor boat, you know, if I'm meant to sway all the way to the Florida Keys and this doesn't make sense. Right. But it's happening. And we have to, we have to, we have to stop it. No, look at that thing. Where's that thing really going? I don't know. I just find it hard to trust the narratives these days. But Hector, thank you for doing this man. I really appreciate it. You're very welcome. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. And I hope that I enlighten some people and open up some people's eyes. And so the fact that we have a lot of corruption in our country also. It's deep. For people out there who want to learn more, obviously the last narc, you have a book and a movie. That's out. Yes. The last narc, I have a book and there's a movie that last narc is streaming now on Amazon Prime Video. And I want to say this is that I am very truthful in what I know. And what I say. And I have no hate for anybody personally. I just did my job and took the evidence where it led me. I have no personal hate for anybody. And I don't have an actually grime with anybody. I just want the American people to know that what I've exposed to here and what I've exposed in my book in the last narc, it's all true. Because if it wasn't true, I would be in jail for subordination of perjury and perjury. I have testified to these facts not only in federal proceedings, but also in congressional hearings. I have testified to for Congress. numerous occasions. So the facts that I expose are known by our high government officials. Thank you for having me, Dan. My pleasure, man. And I very much enjoyed our combo. And we'll see what I can do about getting Felix in here to have a little powwow such a minute. I would like our confrontation. I would like to if we could get Felix to read in me. Yeah. That would be wild, right? You were there. You would bring an ankle game. What's he going to say? We'll see what we can do. You think, okay, we'll see what we can do. Yeah. Okay. All right, man. Thank you again. Is there anything else we should tell people about as far as how to find you or how to contact you or find us? No, I'm rather not. I'm rather not gonna be found. All right. Fantastic. All right. Good night, everybody. [Music]