#412 - “She Channeled Baphomet” Inside the Darkest Conspiracy in the World | Greg Carlwood

Olen Shannon Maldonado, käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jauiilahjakaupan perustaja. Valitsin Shopify, koska alustoja testatessani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistämme tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätevästi dashboardissa. Aloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste komsi vustolla. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu on kätevästi dashboardissa. Kuten varaston suunnittelu on kätevästi dashboardissa, kuten varaston suunnittelu on kätevästi dashboardissa. Tracey Twimanin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu on kätevästi dashboardissa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu on kätevästi dashboardissa, kuten varaston suunnittelu on kätevästi dashboardissa. Dino Clyde Lewis? - No. Clyde Lewis is a radio guy. He used to come on right after coast to coast. He's been doing it forever. Traci was his producer. The show is up in Portland. My buddy Ron Pattins, the producer now, but that's a tight circle of conspiracy folks up there. Okay. And Clyde got sued. And he got. - By the same. By the person, yeah. By a certain person in Traci's life who doesn't like it talked about. Somebody close to her. Okay. Wow. Yeah. You really don't want to go any deeper. And honestly, after 15 years in the conspiracy game, I just start being like, what is the value? Right. You know, what is the value of knowing. I know kind of what I need to know. And going past to that last 10%, probably isn't smart. Yeah, you know, the other day I was texting with Heather Lynn. Heather Lynn's the best. And she sent me somebody. We were talking about somebody. And I asked her, I'm like, what do you think this guy's motive is? She goes, I've been doing this for so long. It's a waste of time to think about people's motives. She's like, you just get the information. That's true. And I get what I'm saying. That's a great point. I never. You need to think about it. I think that's a great way to think about it. One of my big questions is always, what do you think motivates these people? Because I'm trying to get to the core of why some of these conspiratorial things exist. And you just. You never know. I mean, partly it's eugenics, partly it's money. I do think there's a spiritual element. That's what Heather Lynn is great at, is folding in the spiritual element. She referred to the secret societies as the Brotherhoods of Secret Math. And I really like that because like the Anunnaki story, you know, it's all about these civilizing tricksters. If you have the Graham Hancock flavor, then it's like the progenitor civilization came and taught us how to be civilized, right? But it's either aliens or it's like the Atlantians. But part of the science and the math and all the things they taught us was agriculture. And that's where a lot of people think of agriculture as a positive. But you know, she frames it kind of as a negative thing because the actual world that we're not really spending much time in is incredibly abundant. It wants to be abundant. It wants to provide. But we have built a structure, the matrix, around everything. And we've taken people away from that. Agriculture is one of the first things. Why didn't they teach us to plant 100 apple trees that yield apples every year? They didn't teach that. They wanted us to get things that harvested every year so you could put in a grain silo. So for the king, and then parse it out to the common people. That's a whole different game. But there's plenty of things you can plant that create abundance and yield every year. Funny how that didn't come up with the Anunnaki. The good guy is he taught us how to civilize now. Right. Well, they need an excuse to exist. And they have no reason to exist if we can take care of ourselves and be self-sufficient. Exactly. They need to be reliant on them for something. Exactly. That's the big conspiracy. We put a secret math. Her whole thing was entropy and them putting themselves in the position to take the skim off basically all interactions. Then you can go through the East India company and that whole era of time. You know, they're really just middlemen. They try to get to the middle of everything. I mean, income tax is essentially just a skim. So if there is an occult thing going on with the Anunnaki, they taught them the algorithm and they taught them the formulas for extracting wealth from the many and being the few. And they've been doing it since Babylon. Right. And this is the same story that people in like the Epstein files, the whole point of everybody and the brokers. Yeah. The broker class. Yeah, she says that too. They're just in there sifting or skimming off of wars, civil wars, different kind of conflicts, figuring out whatever way they can, whatever they can do, broker a deal between the Roth childs and the president's administration in the United States to, you know, figure out a way where we can do a deal, broker some sort of a piece of agreement where we make $20 million for sending two emails. Yeah, exactly. And that should have been a red flag to people when in the Epstein files, I think the most interesting thing learned besides the jerky stuff was him just saying, I'm a representative of the Roth childs. Yeah. He didn't say massage. He didn't say Israel. Nope. He's got a specific family of bankers that has been in the game the whole time. That's the thing. It's, what is it? The 13 Illuminati bloodlines. I think they're still active, clearly they're still active. Epstein was their lap dog. And what do you, I mean, the fact that in the depositions, the recorded depositions we got with Hillary Clinton and with Les Wexner, they both just handed over the name Roth child. Yeah. They're not even asked about it. They just, they brought it up on their own without being interrogated, no, no, no one asking questions and said anything about Roth childs, they volunteered that shit. Yeah. I found that to be kind of odd. It is a little odd, but to me it just speaks to there being no real risk. Right. You know, when I was in my 20s doing this, the mindset is, oh, if we can just get to the truth, then we can change things and implement some of this stuff and we'll fix everything, right? Right. And now that I'm 40, I'm like, well, the truth is nice to know. But at some level, you could almost say it's like not much different than watching reality TV. It's drama. It's intrigue. And nothing's going to change, you know? So, well, the funny thing about the truth is it doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to make sense. The universe is under no obligation to explain itself to you in a make sense. I think that was the Carl Sagan thing. So back to Tracy. Yes. Yes. So she was summoning Cain. Yeah. She said she was talking to Cain. She was saying she was summoning the biblical Cain and of course, boffamit. So that was one of her early books, too. It got really crazy when she wrote a book called Genuflick, which is a novel that she wrote. It's incredibly dark and weird. One of the last things she said to me, and we mentioned this at dinner because Kurt's really into this. I mean, not into it, into it. But she said, at the end of the day, the secret is, it's all about the anal birth of the harmonculus. The anal birth of the, I remember you guys saying that. Yeah. So Kurt will go off on this stuff. But to me, it's like, some of it doesn't really conform with biology as I know it. So I don't know what to make of it. But there's a lot of magical texts that talk about that sort of stuff. The creation of a being of life outside of the conventional intercourse. And some people say the big secret at the end of the OTO and Freemasonry and all that stuff, the big secret is sex magic, which doesn't make sense to me because in the pre-digital industrial world, what really is there, you know, energy, consciousness, and sex. So you go into ecstatic states of orgasm, extended orgasm. You can probably do some funky stuff with psychedelics and consciousness and music and music and orgasm. I mean, I'm sure you're a little bit into the cathedral stuff, right? Yeah. Like the illucian mysteries had a lot to do with possibly psychedelics, music, performance, and sex. Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of weird stuff going on with the antiquitech thread where people say that there was a point where a lot of the ether-based technologies and stuff was actually implemented. And then they came and they shut it all down. Like, you know, a lot of the cathedrals were not originally Christian cathedrals. The story goes they were compromised. They were converted over. And the cathedrals, when they have all this stained glass patterning and stuff, those are frequencies, like you can blast water, cinematics with the same frequency. And some of those frequencies, the pattern that gets made is what is on the stained glass. So frequency can heal and that sort of stuff. You get the pipe organ going, which they also don't really use anymore. The big church bells, you ever seen after World War II, there's all these photos of like piles and piles of giant church bells. It's like, what is that about? The theory is that the church bells were healing. They would produce the frequency that being around them would put you in altered states or heal you. And after World War II, they're like, get all that out of here. Or Rockefeller medicine only. You know, that Rockefeller medicine is really World War I. But the big theory is that a lot of these cathedrals were built with positive intention. There were healing centers, spiritual healing centers. There wasn't much of a division between spiritual and medical healing, like there is now. And that some of the remnants are still there. If you look at the windows and some of the carvings that are there, you'll still see parts of it. But no one has the information anymore. So was there religion involved in these cathedrals before the church took it over? Were they like pagan religions that were like doing this type of healing stuff? Was it like, were they performing rights and stuff? Or how do you know this stuff? Well, the argument is that it was nostic, but there was no group of people that called themselves nostics. You know, nostics are, you know, the cathars and other sects. So I don't know, I think people just stumbled upon it and then doubled, tripled down. Mm-hmm. A lot of people think Egypt was big on that. Did they have a religion? Sure. I don't really know what to call it. They had pantheons of gods. But they also, if you look at some of those, some of those etchings and stuff, it looks like they were doing that healing stuff as well. But we just don't know. We have no context for the past. No, we have zero. So many regards. It's messed up. Yeah. You're very right about that. If you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube and you want to be more involved, I encourage you to please come check out our Patreon community. Not only does our Patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube early, fully uncensored and ad-free, but we're also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as well as live Q&As and you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week. For me, being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our Patreon community every week has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Now back to the show. But Tracy, so. Yep. Her material was just really about the mechanisms behind a lot of the occult stuff. Have you ever seen the Masonic tracing board? You might be able to pull one up. They all are kind of the same. But checkerboard floor, the two pillars, above each pillar is usually a sun and a moon. And then a lot of them, they'll be a staircase in the middle or a ladder in the middle that kind of goes up to the sky and they'll be either like a window or an opening. So her theory there, she would call it hidden hyperspace kingdom. Like the Kardashian foyer. I like the Kardashian foyer. So. So this is called a Masonic tracing board. Yeah. So there's like this ladder up to the sky. Yep. These ones are all. That's probably the closest one. Usually I see it in the middle and they'll be like a window. But imagine you were trying to depict encoded language. This idea that they, through consciousness, through probably group meditation, they could open up a slimmital space outside of the material reality. And maybe go there for meetings or go there to have their own little Epstein parties. Like literally outside of time and space. So there's no chance of getting caught. It's almost like a dream reality. Time probably slows down. So when they say like they were seeking immortality, imagine every Friday night, you can go with the boys, you go down to the basement, you do the rituals, and you all go to a space, you astral project to a space. And it feels like you're there for weeks, but it's really been 15 minutes. And while you're there, you can dream up anything. It's like a group lucid dream. Any kind of debauchery could happen. And then you could come back and be home by dinner. So this is a tracy premise that the exotic states of consciousness would lead to this place where astral projection would allow you to be in liminal places and carry out all kinds of acts. Astral projection is real. And we all know that sometimes when you have a dream, it feels like a full day, but they say that that actual dream was only like 15 minutes. So some of the pieces are there for that to be true. I don't get read in on what the Mason's do. - Did she ever participate in any of this stuff? - I believe so. She never admitted it though. - If I were to ask her directly, she probably would, these interviews are fresher in your mind than they are in my mind. So I don't know, did I ask her? I don't think I did. But at the time, I assumed she was primarily a researcher and after her death, I learned actually she has a lot of strange connections to French occultists and people who are really deep in it who aren't really public figures at all. So I think some of this was experiential. I think she got a lot of this from diving head first. I say she was a reckless researcher. That's the term I use. So did she kill herself? I don't know. I could see her getting so deep into the occult that it drove her to kill herself. I could see her poking a bear that didn't want to be poked and that prompted her to be found in the garage. Like she was, there's many different catalysts possible, you know, it's hard to say. - Yeah, yeah, it really is. But one of the things that really kind of like gave me pause was how she was explaining how she had all these long conversations with Cain. But she was doing it through a Ouija board. - Yeah. - I'm like, how long do you have to sit there to have an in-depth conversation going from letter to letter to letter to letter? It must have been months. - It's an investment. But she was, how does Cain speak English? - See, I'm not really Catholic. So I don't really put a lot of stock in the biblical characters as like people you can contact. But if we're talking about her perspective, she thought they could be contacted. Baphomet too, is baphomet an actual thing or is it a symbol? Because the people who run the Magical Egypt channel, they say when you look at scans of the brain, there's a certain level of the brain where you can look at the scan and it's a mere image of the baphomet figure. So just like the Ayahorus is like the pineal gland they say. So they say a lot of these symbols are actually derived from looking at the brain itself. Is baphomet the same? I mean, they've made a pretty good case to me that it is. - Yeah. Yeah, it is so weird. You know, maybe these things could be some sort of like symbolic, something symbolic that transcends different religions and different cultures. People just put different masks on them. You know, different, just different, you know. Same archetype, different name. You know, kinda like Prometheus and Satan and all that stuff. - Yeah, that's the other thing. A lot of people conspiracy researchers, they gravitate towards Christianity because they say, they look at what the elite do and they say, well, that's Satanism right there. I don't know if it's Satanism. - Right. - I think it's something very odd and dark and evil, but I don't know if they're in this Christianity Satanism paradigm again. - Yeah, no, no, I don't think so. It seems all the stuff that like Anton Levay was doing was more of like circus stuff, like circus Satanism. You know, like it wasn't truly, it was more like, you know, some dungeons and dragons nerds running around with staffs and coats and shit trying to like, you know, listening to Marilyn Manson. - There's that too. That's why a lot of the magic practitioners did magic with a K in the '90s and early 2000s. I think that's lame. I think it's kind of cringe. And I think it's also outdated. But you kind of have to decide if magic is real or not. My friend Gordon White who died recently, he had a great website, RuneSoup. It's got all this, it's probably the best. It's like the library of Alexandria, the digital library of Alexandria for a cult and magic subjects. I hope it stays up. Who knows if it will. But he used to always say you have to drill down on your own personal metaphysics. It's like is magic real or not? Is it all larping D&D bullshit? Or is there some true mechanism there? And you've got to decide for yourself really. And if it is real, then what does that mean? Like these things we see the elite do and invest their time into. They must have an effect, right? Or why would they do them? Mention their Kardashians. There was this thing the other day. It was one of the Kardashians is dating an F1 racer, not my world, but there was a scandal where she picked up one of the other racers' towels, like sweat towel and like dabbed her forehead and put it back. And you're not supposed to do that. The person's towel, you know, you don't mess with, it's like on the basketball court, you don't take someone else's towel or whatever. Well, your Kardashians, I don't care. Yeah, I guess you do what you want. But this person who is apparently a very good racer did not place in the race. And there's this theory that the Kardashians are a multi-generational coven of witches. So I know it's crazy, but you think about, think about how Kanye went off the rails and then think about this action that she did. She took this towel, dabbed herself, and then like the energy of this, the towel transfer, this person did not place in the race. So is magic real? Are there people who use it? Anyone who uses it, 'cause it does require an academic study. I mean, I could have brought these books. I just bought 'em 'cause I got super curious. But these two books that are 800 pages each, the history of the occult and grimoire magic. I mean, it is a deep study. And these things are written at a high level. This isn't a Harry Potter shit. It could all mean nothing, but you can't say it, it's easy to get into, it's a very dense study. So anyone who gets deep into it, so the point that they can use magic with any kind of real talent, they know not to talk about it. So are the Kardashians witches? I don't know, they seem pretty successful at life. What is magic supposed to do? - Man, I hope they're witches. - I do not. - Really? - Well, I don't really care. They're not part of my life at all. - If I knew they were witches, I'd probably watch more of their stuff. It's hard to say, but I think magic is real. I think it's magic. How do you define magic? - Well, Gordon used to say it's a probability enhancer. Some people say it is making changes in consciousness that can be seen in the outside world. This is why the making changes in consciousness that can manifest in the outside world. - Yeah, because again, it gets really deep into what is your concept of reality itself? Is it primarily hard matter or is it primarily consciousness? If it's primarily consciousness and we operate within a shared dream, well, in your dreams, you can make changes that are pretty radical that wouldn't really apply to what we consider consensus reality. But what if some of that can spill over? What if this is a shared dream and our belief that it is real and solid is the thing that makes it so? And maybe you can push on that a little bit. I mean, what's remote viewing? Remote viewing is real. I think you would agree, right? We've been far enough to see that's real. - Well, the military has spent so much money on it. If it wasn't real. - Right. So scale that up. Astro projection is real. People do it all the time. - It's funny you say that, dude. I was just listening to a podcast this morning with Jesse Michaels and this dude, this kid who was a part of this gate program. - Yes. - When he was young, he literally got pulled out. He was like really advanced for his age in, I want to say, he was probably seven or nine, something like that. So fourth or fifth grade maybe. And he got pulled out, had a psychiatrist that he was talking to or a psychologist that he was talking to in school and told all these stories how he eventually got pulled out a public school for a period of years, went to this special place called the Bakersville Something Institute or whatever. There's some, Jesse Michaels latest video. It's incredible. And basically it was like stranger things in real life. It sounded exactly like the Montauk project. - Yes. - Where they're trying to figure out his consciousness. They think there's something about pre-pubescent kids that have this certain kids, this young have this ability to whatever, do this magic stuff you're talking about and like manipulate reality with their consciousness or manipulate the material world with their consciousness. - The gate program is a huge rabbit hole. Why interview Whitley Striever? Big UFO guy wrote real communion and everything. And when we got to talking, he made some off-handed comment about being taken to some school like that. And I was like, hold on, let's drill down on that and he elaborated. It's a similar story with a lot of people, especially the gate program 'cause when they did this, we didn't have the internet, but now you can go to Reddit and you can find like ex-gate kids talking about their experience together. Some of them were made to drink a pink liquid. Many of them don't have any memories. - This kid was talking about that. - Yeah, some people think the pink liquid was radiation exposure to see how they would deal with radiation exposure. - Didn't Pablo Zard drink that same shit too? - He says, I think he says he does. He, Dean Raiden was just on. - Rogan. - Rogan not long ago. - This is the video's time to move. - Right on. - Jordan Josack, that's a new name for me. So when Dean Raiden was on Rogan, he went off on how the crusades and all that. Yes, we know that they wanted Catholicism to be, well, Christianity to be the dominant thing, right? They went around the third world, killed all the indigenous people, destroyed their belief systems. Well, Dean went a little bit deeper and he said what they were doing was knocking out people who had that psychic ability. They wanted to monopolize not just spirituality but baseline consciousness and anyone who had these effects, they wanted to wipe them out. So that's why I get back into like, what is the unadulterated natural world? I don't really like the matrix language, [BLANK_AUDIO] What else is there? So there's an industrial overlay over what the natural world is. And that's basically the world we all live in. And we don't really engage with the natural world that much. But it seems like mechanisms of consciousness that can affect reality are baked right into our own heads. And you can't get rid of our heads, but what can you do? A centuries-long campaign to destroy our knowledge of it, to hide all that knowledge and to keep us distracted all day. I mean, how many hours of the day are we staring at a screen now? And it just keeps going, right? It started with, I mean, who knows exactly where it started, but you have radio, the families all sitting around radio, get TV, sucks up more time, internet sucks up more time, social media, now it's almost never ending. No one takes the time to meditate and see what it's all about. No one takes the time to see if they can push up on reality a little bit, they win. I'm Shannon Maldonado, the director of Artesan Institute of Technology, La Jagaoban Perusta. I was a shopkeeper because I was able to find a job in the company, so I was able to help the company. I was able to work with the company and the company. I was able to work with all my friends, and I was able to get a job in the dashboard. I was able to get a job in the company, and I was able to get a job in the company, and I was able to get a job in the company and the company. I was able to get a job in the company, and I was able to get a job in the company, so I was able to get a job in the company, and I was able to get a job in the company, and it's like, it's an abundance of stuff that you can get naturally out of from the earth that you don't have to buy a public. Yes, it's true. And so this is the best example, the Barbados cherry. Look at the vitamin C line compared to a Bing cherry. 1,600 plus milligrams of vitamin C versus a Bing cherry, 7 to 10. Wow. This is something I grow in my yard that my kids eat. You can't get it. What is a Bing cherry? Just a standard cherry. This is the stuff you buy at the grocery store. Yeah, it's in your cocktail. Okay. It's pretty much a standard cherry. You can grow the Barbados once here. Yes. The frost fucked it up pretty hard, but even look at the vitamin A line, 38 micrograms, I don't know what that is. The way less potassium. Well, Bing's better for heart health and blood pressure, interesting. Yeah, and it's not going to be one to one, but if vitamin C is important as they say, look at that. I mean, you eat one Barbados cherry. How many Bings would you have to eat to get that much vitamin C? Look at that. One Barbados cherry is 1,800 percent of your daily value. This is something you cannot get, and most people don't know exists. I put it in the ground and I yielded 200 of them. To me, this is where conspiracy mind, conspiracy mindships that should lead people. I've been toyed around with the term green pill, but I'm so sick of the pill stuff, the red pill, the black pill. Yeah. But, you know, I'm green pill now, where I really do think that turned into a real hippie. Well, what more do I need to know about 9/11, or COVID? Exactly. What more do I need to know? This actually has value to me. Right. You know, if I unpack 9/11 to the point that it's like, is it nano-thermite, or is Dr. Judy Woodwright? What diverse does it make to my kids' lives and the lives of my family? This makes a fucking difference. Totally. Both of them are things we're not supposed to talk about. I mean, you could say that no one cares if we talk about this, but it's clearly not taught in school. It's clearly not available to us in the matrix world. And this is one of the things. So, and I even did some research on other areas, because I grew up in the Midwest, and I knew people would listen and say, well, I mean, that's Florida. Okay, well, the Paw Paw was what Native Americans grew more than anything else. We don't have that anymore. It also has a crazy high vitamin nutrient content. Also, there's another slide that's, because I looked up, what are the most common things that grow easily in the Midwest that are not commonly available in stores? And I got like four different berries I'd never heard of. And then I compared them to blackberries and blueberries. You're enough more nutrients. And it's like, what the hell? What is that? To me, that's the big conspiracy. They definitely want us weaker, fluoride in the water, EMFs everywhere, glyphosate on all of our food. You know, it's all trash. And that's the other thing. I'm comparing glyphosate for the organic food picked right off the vine to stuff in a shipping container that's been sitting there for two weeks, that ends up in your grocery store. Even organic stuff is covered in preservative type things. So there's another slide in there where there's a lot of esoteric nutritionists who talk about the spiritual energy and the plant and all this. I don't know about that. But even conventionally speaking, when you pick something from the tree, it starts losing its nutrient content right then. Very quickly. If it's been sitting in transit and then on the shelf, and then you buy it, and then you take it home, and then it still sits on your counter a few days, based on some of these estimates. In a week, it's easy for it to have lost 30% of its nutrient content. Right. So we need to start picking our fruit. We got to start putting our stuff in and picking it. Yep. You know, why do you need to be online anymore? That's the thing. As I feel like after 15 years, I know that the system won't change. Another thing Gordon used to say is, what makes you think you get to fight Soron? You know, like he loved Lord of the Rings. But he's like, a lot of us are the Bilbo Baggins. What does Bilbo do? You know, you make small changes in your area that have outsized impacts that change the field. Yeah. The positive field. Yep. And I kind of believe that. Like, I'm not going to get to confront the Rothschilds directly. That's okay. I don't need to. Yeah. There's also like, you know, even if you go to a place like Costa Rica, and you get the bananas, they have grocery stores there. You can buy bananas, mangoes, all those fruits, whatever. You buy them. They're literally going bad the next day, maybe two days later. Right? You can leave those same fruits that you buy at Publix here in Florida on your countertop. They're good for a week, two weeks, even longer sometimes. And that doesn't happen over there. Because they're not freaking juicing them up with all these preservatives and shit. So I think that matters a lot. It's a little boring to talk about permaculture and food. But it's like, this has value. How many podcasts will you hear about fluoride in the water? You know, you can spend thousands of hours. You'll never hear people talk about this. But look, right there, day eight to four. 13, 30 to 50% loss in fragile vitamins. I believe there's also something in here that says, oh yeah, at the bottom, vitamin C, which nutrients disappear first, vitamin C? - Interesting. - Oxidation causes it to lose its impact very, very quickly. B vitamins as well. There is no, you can't put that in a pill, I don't believe. If you look at how they discovered that, by the way, all these people were getting scurvy, right? So they looked at the oranges and fruit and like, oh, they have a vitamin C deficiency. Well, how did they determine that? If you look at the literature, so say some of the natural paths that I listened to, they determined it by cutting out the orange, taking out the parts, spinning them in a centrifuge, mixing them with formaldehyde, using various dyes so that you could see them under the microscope, 'cause you can't see like things out of the microscope very easily unless they're heavily manipulated. And so then they said, oh, that thing, that little squiggle right there, we're gonna call that vitamin C, and that is why oranges are healthy. It's like, actually, maybe it's the whole orange. Maybe there isn't one thing in the orange you can take out and put in a pill and sell on a shelf. You just gotta eat the fucking orange. - That's a good point, man. - So to me, this is just, this is where I'm at. Now I've got an acre of land. I moved out of California, got to move out of California. You can't be a conspiracy guy living in California. - It depends what part of California you're in. - Yeah, that's true. But I came out here to get more land and to try to dip my toe into these waters, and it's going quite well. Like I said, like the four things that have been easiest to grow. Moringa is another one. Moringa, you can buy powdered Moringa, but you cannot buy fresh Moringa. - Interesting. - Yeah, so here's Moringa. Or no, this is Mulberry. - What is Moringa? - Moringa is a green. So I compared Moringa to kale and spinach. So look at the protein line of fresh Moringa. Look at the iron line, the calcium and the vitamin C. Vitamin C, you don't need your greens for vitamin C necessarily, that's your fruits. But on protein iron and calcium, it's winning. And where is it in the grocery store? - Right. - Again, you can buy it powdered. You can add it to your smoothies. But if we're going to talk about the nutrient loss over time, do you think powdering it helps? My kids go out and they strip a Theta Moringa and they pop it in their mouth. I think that's good for them. I'm doing what I can. 'Cause again, the Bilbo Baggins thing, like we aren't gonna beat the system. We aren't gonna topple it. All you can do is find a way to get yourself off the teeth of the system. 'Cause we all know the phrase, you don't bite the hand that feeds. If you're dependent on the system, what kind of credit can you truly be? - Right. - So that's kind of my attitude now. As if I want to criticize the system, I need to wean myself off of it. It's not easy. I'm definitely not a farmer. It's not in my nature at all. - Right. - But, doing what I can? - Well, I mean, Greg, a lot of people in this country, they can't afford fruits and vegetables from the grocery store, especially for fresh stuff. So the government is gonna be kind enough to offer us a free universal worldwide vaccine that will cover all the stuff. So we don't need to do that. - Gotta vaccinate the Apple March yourself and your children into your local clinic and you can get this vaccine and it'll solve all of your problems. - Amen. I mean, it's easy to believe that, right? Another thing about the conspiracy mindset and what did bother me for a long time is when you have your initial wakeup moment and you're like, oh, everything is bullshit. Money isn't real. It's all built on debt. How, if the banks print the money and every loan is given out at interest, who has that interest? Only the banks print the money. So your in debt always, which means they gotcha by the balls and they're gonna make the decisions, major decisions in your life. It's gonna be about trying to get out of the musical chair system that is debt. And we're back. Back in that day, I was a GameStop store manager. There was no shot for me. I had quit my job or I mean, I had quit school, dropped out of college. I had, I was in retail management only with my resume. I had to throw a fucking Hail Mary. I started the podcast because I was like the only way for me to find success the way I determine it, which is really like no boss, wake up when I want to, decide what I do tomorrow and make enough money that I don't care about the bills, really. I gotta do it myself. There's no one who was gonna hire me into that position of success the way I deemed it. - Right. - What I learned is like Americans are bred to be consumers. Give them something to consume. You know, I can't believe how successful the podcast has been. And it's because I did not know, 'cause unless you produce something, you don't know how eager people might be to buy it, you know, hypothetically. But I knew I ran a $2 million store and they paid me $35,000 a year to run it. That's crazy. - That is crazy. - So you gotta get out of that. So there's so many people there. And that's what would bother me is I would say ignorance is bliss because we got our friends that are working at similar shitty jobs, but they're happy. It's like I would resent that. I would get envious. Like man, I wish I could just do this job and be happy. Wouldn't that be nice? It's a lot easier than trying to throw a fucking hail marry and make something work for myself. - Right. - That's that ignorance. Why when you awaken to a lot of that bullshit, the economic stuff, it gets kind of scary because now you are in a position where if you want to find happiness, you have to extract yourself from that. It's hard to do. Not everyone can start a podcast. I mean, apparently they can. You know, 15 years ago, I felt saturated already. Now it's truly saturated. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. - But now the other side is I would not tell everyone to start a podcast, but I would say you can align yourself with some of these naturally abundant things and make a pretty good living. I know someone who has a nursery, 'cause if you grow a mulberry plant, you can cut off parts of it, put them in pots, and then they'll grow, and then you sell them. And it just keeps doing, it keeps regenerating. So you can keep doing that. Biochar is a popular thing. You've probably heard the theory that the Amazon was actually cultivated. It's not just a natural thing. - Right. - They've looked at Lidar. - It's a great handcock thing, right? - Sure. They look at, you know, all these kind of different radars, and they find that there is a method to the madness that when you look at the rubble, which is where old cities and structures used to be, it's more dense there. I'm applying that that was cultivated rather than just a random distribution through the jungle. So what they found is Tera Prada is where we're doing it. - Tera Prada, right. - That's biochar. It's basically just biomass burned, and you know, you do some stuff to it, and then it's like ash, and you put that in the soil, and it works really well. Biochar at the nursery I go to is $900 a cubic yard. Anyone could make it with lawn clippings and tree trimmings and the food scraps you have. - Right. - So if you have a backyard, you get a big metal drum, you could start a biochar company off of trash, and probably make a hundred grand a year. You could, like I said, you could trim off the twigs that aren't gonna go anywhere. Take your tree trimmings from your fruit producing. Trees put them in the ground. Go to the farmer's market, and you could get started that way. There are paths to making really good money that involve engaging with nature, and this archetype of the poor farmer, doing the back breaking work, barely getting by miserable life, one harvest away from complete absolute ruin. That was injected into us for a reason. The earth is abundant, and it wants, it's like, help me help you. It really wants to help, I just interviewed Joel Saladin, who's one of the most famous farmers, or his polyphase farms, his big thing. He talked about Azita Baxter, a bacteria, that it pulls nitrogen from the air for you into the soil if there's 8% organic matter in the soil. It just, it emerges out of nothing, and it is a living bacteria that pulls nitrogen down from the air. - It emerges out of nothing? - Well, how'd the Amazon get there? I mean, you set the conditions right, and things emerge. It's a weird thing, but there is a magical quality to setting the conditions right, and then things come, it's like the chicken or egg question, really, like, how did we get it? How did it start? It emerged. So, this bacteria tends to emerge, and it fixes the nitrogen in the soil for you, one of the main things you need in healthy soil. There is almost no soil that has 8% organic material in it. You're looking at 2% tops in most areas. So, he's cultivated his land over a couple decades, and now it's working for him. It's like a snowball effect. - Where is it? - I believe it's in Kentucky or Tennessee, somewhere near Appalachia area. But when you look at the Amazon as an example, it is abundance on steroids because someone got the ball rolling, and those people aren't even there anymore, and you look at it and you're like, what the hell is that? There's species that exist there that exist nowhere else on earth, many thousands. How is that possible? What is the relationship between magic and the natural world? And how do things emerge? Is it all just evolution? Is it all just crossbreeding in this and that? I don't know. I don't think that justifies and explains everything you see in the Amazon. - Right. - So, I used to get stone and watch these planet earth things about the mating rituals of birds. It's insane. It is avatars. - It is. - It is like avatar. So, I think some of that can be brought back. our ground is dead because they knew it's just like you kill off the people who have any spirituality outside of the paradigm. You kill off the people who have any talent in the realm of consciousness and magic and you destroy the land and it's increasing in, it's an attack that keeps increasing. So you kill the land and you take people off of it. We economically so many people can't afford land. I had to come to Florida to do it. Luckily I have a job where I can live wherever I want, but I couldn't have had an acre land in California, but I couldn't have afforded it. I paid 35,000 income tax to the state of Florida. The same salary I used to make it GameStop. Wow. I couldn't in good conscience let that happen every year with the kids. I couldn't just my kids and you have kids too. It's like what did the next 30 years look like for these kids? Yeah, it's hard to go. We have to be prepared to help them out in ways that like we probably didn't need to be helped or even our parents didn't need to be helped. The big thing about boomers is like, why can't you just pull yourself up by everybody? It shows where you had every fucking opportunity in the world handed to you. Why are people quiet quitting? Why is Gen Z not working? Are they lazy or have they divested because they're like, fuck all that. Yeah, the Amazon is very interesting. I've had people on here who live in the Amazon who explain it being like a whole not like living in a whole nother dimension because when you go down there and you're just surrounded by all the millions and millions of beating hearts from the insects to the birds, the monkeys to everything else. It unlocks this buried hidden sense that we have inside of us where we're just like our intuition sort of like really come online when you're there. And it's interesting because it's so disconnected from the modern world from technology, from everything else and like you're grounded in nature or maybe like the true reality of what this is. And he explains like every time he comes back to New York, he gets depressed and he misses the Amazon. He's like, fuck. This sucks. Yeah, the electrification of the big cities is a whole nother thing too. Like they've really driven us. They've domesticated us and driven us into the pins. And they're going to get worse too. Now people are like rallying against 15-minute cities, right? Yeah. It's like you're already there. Right. What are you so worried about that's really much different from the way you live now? Yeah. Publix will be closer. Isn't that good? If you consider Publix the good place to get food, which it is not, if you consider it a good place to get food, why not make it closer? Right. So I think a lot of people, they get paranoid about the new incremental movements in the big conspiracy when really all that attention should just be spent to divesting from it because it's either going to get better or worse. If it's going to get worse, what are you going to do to make your life better? It's all it is. Right. But that's progress. That's how we define progress. Right. It's more safety. More it's more fail safes for us. We don't have to fear as much. It's more of like a comfort for normal everyday people, right? Sure. You got to sell it somehow. Yeah. That's how they buy it though. That is the sales pitch. And the alternative is that living in a rural area and doing all the work yourself is really hard. It is. But I mean, you've had guests that talk about grounding. You have had guests that talk about the value of natural sunlight. What are you doing when you move a wheelbarrow dirt from one yard to the other? We can all look like you. I'm skinny and fat at the same time. I'm working on it though. I'm working on it. Okay. Well, yeah. No, I mean, I mean, the natural sunlight, it's very important. I'm with like the advancement of, I don't know if you call it an advancement, but with like the explosion of these these gig economy workers that are just like sitting at their laptops in their house all day, taking random jobs to get them through the week or through the month or whatever. And never having to go outside because they live in a huge building and they're stuck in a little apartment. That's really bad. And I had this girl Alexis Cowan explained to me that that's like the same thing as like what happens to the Orcas at SeaWorld when they're not out in the in the ocean and they're stuck in these little pens. They literally go crazy. Yes. They go psychologically insane. And that's the same thing that happens to humans, whether or not experiencing the normal circadian rhythm. Yes. And I'm so glad you said that because another thought that I've been on lately is when you see boomers that are out there like met with their on their lawn and they're looking at every little blade of grass and they're getting the corner and they're making sure there's not a dandelion there, which is actually very nutritious and healthy for you. But you're making sure there's no weeds, making sure it's all pristine. I one time in Vegas went to the Sigfried and Roy place where they keep all their big cats. It smelled like piss. There was areas where it was like beaten into the ground where these big cats just run this track back and forth back and forth back and forth. They are psychologically damaged. They are a wild animal that has been caged and domesticated against its will. That's what I think of the boomer who's doing that with his lawn. You are supposed to be a steward of the earth. You are supposed to be cultivating abundance for everyone around you by engaging with the earth and everything around you. And because your brain is broken, you're just growing grass and you're making sure that the grass is nice. It's a pathology. In my mind, in my mind, in my mind, that's a fucking good observation. It was only when I started working with the land and thinking about this whole thing like Jim Gale, a couple other people I've interviewed. They talk about how many acres of grass and lawn is being grown compared to food producing land. It's insane. Everyone should just scrap the lawn and plant fruit trees and fruit bushes. But the HOAs won't let you. Again, at every turn, there is a mechanism to keep you from actually engaging with nature and from consciousness. They can't cut off your head, but they will do everything else to keep you from engaging with your inner world and having outsized effects. But yeah, the domesticated boomer is a fun thing to think about just because it's like it's a pathology. You're obsessing over something, but there's something in your subconscious that knows you should engage with the landscape. Yeah. But it's manifesting itself in absolutely the wrong way. And it is like a caged animal. It is. That's a very good analogy. That's hilarious. Going back to the Amazon stuff, can you find what the conventional explanation is for the terra praida in the Amazon? Because the whole idea of the Amazon being man-made, that's not accepted, right? That's kind of like a grainy hand caught conspiracy theory that he's come up with. I don't know anymore. I've heard 20 people go back and forth on this. I don't know what the accepted narrative is. I think it's somewhat accepted now. I think. Again, I just don't know. I'm so deep in it, man. I don't know what regular people think anymore. Right. It's okay. It's the highly fertile man-made enriched soil created by pre-columbian indigenous populations in the American Bay and the Amazon basin for between 450 and 950 CE. There you go. Organic waste, including charcoal, biochar, animal bones, and food scraps. Now, once you get it cooked in, there's biomass all the time, just like kind of replenishing the soil. When I had our, I mean, we were installing our own food force and then we got some help and they installed some things that don't grow, that don't produce food. And his whole thing was, oh, this is chop and drop. What you want to do is just come through with a machete, chop it, it'll regrow, just chop it, throw it on the ground, and like, let's fix the sandy floor to soil. You got to get, you got to get organic material on the soil. Right. Because it's all dead. So this will take years and it'll probably, in my life's accomplishment, to get one acre of land, somewhat fertile, and then I'll die. Well, at least your kids will have it. Yeah, I told them they're not allowed to sell anything. We were acquiring land in this family and you never sell it because what are you going to get? A couple hundred grand. It goes fast. Right. The land, this is what we're doing. The biggest problem with Florida is the toll roads, like one of the big, like the toll roads they're trying to build between interstate from coast to coast because they're, they're blocking off the natural wildlife corridors that exist here because it's so obviously because Florida is like this narrow pathway from south to north, the wildlife, they have to be able to navigate, like, during different seasons, like from, they migrate from the top of Florida back down to the bottom towards the uppercase. And when they have all these toll roads and stuff, you're blocking them off because they're, and there's, there's constantly being more toll roads and more huge subdivisions with like thousands of cookie cutter homes being proposed to be installed in the middle of Florida in between all these toll roads. Yeah. It's fucking insane. It is. And, and, you know, that's, that's one of the big issues with, um, Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida right now. And what he's been, he's been doing like to his credit, like one of the few things you can say that's good about him is that, you know, besides the COVID stuff is that he's actually been working with some of the activists to get to stop these toll roads into. And one other thing that they did was a lot of the, um, the cattle ranchers in Florida, like the native cattle ranchers who own these, like hundreds and hundreds of acres of cattle ranchers. Um, they were getting a huge offer from real estate developers to basically, you know, these people were like third, fourth generation cattle, they got handed this fucking land. Sure. They're great, great, great parents. So like, they may not live here anymore. They may not, may, may not, they may be leasing an now to like other farms, and they're getting like multi million dollar, hundreds of millions dollars offers for real estate developers to develop their land and sell their cattle ranches. And what I think Rod is santa is implemented, I could be wrong, make sure it was him. But basically what got passed in Florida is that now Florida will pay those cattle ranchers like a huge amount of money to not sell it to real estate developers. So that now they're incentivized to not sell it, which is great. It is, but I don't love that move either because it requires tax dollars. It's it's a subsidy kind of, and they're not using the land the right way. It's better than nothing. It's better than a higher than sent it to Israel. It's better than a toll or China's buying up our farmland, apparently they say. So, yeah, it isn't our government. I mean, I heard the Florida government are the, um, we're giving Florida taxpayer dollars to Israel, like his donations. Oh, I, yeah, I mean, federal dollars as well. Oh, yes. Is this it? Okay. Controversial solar road expansion champion by DeSantis originally conceived as M.Core's toll. Oh, this is the toll road stuff. So we've covered toll roads, covered growing food. What other, should we talk about the weather? What else would get people to get off of this thing? Bro, a lot of people think the hurricanes were, uh, CIA weather weapons. Yeah, sure. Bro, I had literally, when those, we had those last two hurricanes two years ago or a year and a half ago, whatever it was when those, uh, Helene and Milton came through and like flooded the shit out of us. I would talk to maybe like five or six of my norm, normy everyday family members who aren't into any crazy conspiracy stuff and they all thought the CIA sent these hurricanes to Florida. That's good. You know, one of the craziest things about Dr. Judy Woods work, you know, she is the one who wrote where did the towers go? It is a great, like college level textbook full of full color images about the wreckage of the twin towers. She, her whole argument is look at the actual wreckage and there are things going on in the wreckage that are way beyond belief. Two planes did not knock down those buildings because why are there fused metals and why are there just all kinds of bizarre stuff? She has her own terminology. And when you look at it, when you flip through the pictures and you're like, yeah, there's some weird stuff going on in the wreckage. What did they do with the wreckage? They got it out of there as soon as they could, right? There were all these stories like they're putting it on barges to China. Get it out of there. That's another thing about conspiracy. What did they do with all of it? They got it out of there. Wouldn't you do what they put it? I don't, but I know that you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to fuck with a crime scene, but yet in the case of Charlie Kirk and the case of 9/11, they fuck with the crime scene. They cover it up and obscure it as fast as they can. Why? Because the evidence of what happened is there. But with Dr. Judy Wood, that morning, there were weather men in New York talking about a hurricane that was headed their way. And the hurricane, unprecedentedly spun off out into the ocean. Why this is important is because they on 9/11, the morning up. And why this is important is Judy Wood says that the field-based technology that they used to take down the twin tower, she calls it dustification, they didn't just fall, they like literally turn to dust. This field effect technology affects hurricanes. So when they employed it over the World Trade Center complex, it's almost like like a magnet pushed the hurricane out to the ocean. No one talks about the hurricane because two buildings fell that day. Well, more than that. But the point is it is a bit of circumstantial evidence to try to wrap your head around what really took the twin towers down. If a technology that is not public took them down, it's going to be very hard to figure out, right? And that's what I think happened. Because this abundant stuff, it's not just food, there's been, I mean, I brought these notes because the main thing I didn't want to forget was all these people who have stumbled across abundance in a technological sense, a scientific sense, ether physics, Stanley Meyer got cars to run on water. And all these people, they either die prematurely, they have their labs and work destroyed, they have their patents purchased and they get scammed out of the company. It's the same play. It's the same play as getting us off of China buys tons of scrap metal. And that was like right away, they got it the hell out of their look January 26th. I mean, that's even a little outdated. My understanding is the very week of 9/11 instead of analyzing everything and looking for the dead bodies and doing all the things, they got that the hell out of there. And 9/11, the ground zero area, it bubbled and boiled for like a week after. Did two planes do that? Two planes did that, huh? Makes no fucking sense. The thing is they lie to us about everything and that's really, I think you're better off starting from that position. I wore this hat as a fun little thing. I think when you were on Rogan, you said you got to be a real fucking idiot to believe that the moon landing is fake. Yeah, right, right, right. I was being a joke. Well, yeah. Anyone who believes that is automatically paid as a fool fair. Well, that's good. I mean, I am a fool. And I'm fine with it. Because I just think that the default, that would be like the one example. If you believe that the Apollo missions are what they are and take a minute face value, it'd be the one example where a military adjacent organization, because I think we can all say NASA's military adjacent. Do they ever display their best technology live on TV? Pretty, pretty rare for that to happen, but they did it then. And then they broadcasted it live. I have to look this up every other month. My memory is shot from the weed. But I sell yourself. No, I cannot believe that the official story is that the Apollo moon landing where they walked in the moon was actually live broadcast from the moon. I have to remind myself because it's such an outrageous thing. It's outrageous. Absolutely not true. People still believe it because they want to. But it would be also the one example. They lied to us about COVID. They lied to us about 9/11 World War II. There's some questions to be asked. Okay. Yeah, but they were honest about the moon landing that was just that was for the good of mankind. And we are totally genuine and authentic in our presentation of it. I don't believe it. And it looks the most real. Oh, it looks, yeah, it looks so real. But that's the thing is I think the where the conspiracy community should be focused is on these inventors who had a better concept for natural abundance. Again, it's not just the soil, but the air to ether is real. I've done electroculture experiments, which is so simple, but it's just a copper rod that wraps around a wooden dowel and you stick it in the ground and it draws atheric energy from the air into the soil and your plants grow better. I don't know why it's real though. And there's been people who have created devices that harness atheric energy. I really do think that there's a story to be told that connects alcohol prohibition, refer madness, and the Hindenburg. So strange, right? Have you ever heard the alcohol prohibition conspiracy? The alternative take remind me. So the official story is that all these little housewives were just upset about how drunk their husbands were getting. So they went out there and grassroots campaign and they championed it and they got alcohol off the market because people were getting too drunk. That's the official story of prohibition that it was about drinking, right? And then we hear these alternative stories of like the mob got into it. Right, speakeasies and all this. I thought the mob stuff was accepted. Well it is accepted, but the point is that it's always framed as based on drinking. Right. No, it was a competition for oil. Alcohol, cars could run on alcohol, farmers could take their chicken, or not, they keep saying chicken because we give our kitchen scraps to our chickens. But you could take your kitchen scraps, ferment them in a bin, create alcohol, and run your own tractor, run your own car, run your own shit. They took that away with prohibition. That was what it was about. The government doesn't give a fuck if you drink yourself dead. They don't give a fuck. But we we've been sold this lie that it was all about drinking and that these nice little housewives with no power whatsoever somehow accomplish something because that's raw raw America. They were funded by Rockefeller. It's pretty easy to look up that Rockefeller funded the temperance movement. That's the money. Why did he care? Because he makes money on oil. So prohibition was about keeping alcohol out of the market. So we could have oil only economy. Move on to reefer madness. Move on to marijuana. Same exact story. I've grown weed in California. I know how easy it is. They caught weed for a reason. It grows so fast. You can grow four crops a year in a spare bedroom. You should be able to make good money. I didn't know anyone who had money. So we just offset one of our own costs, you know what I mean. But it as a textile, it works great. It can replace plastics. It also worked as a fuel. I think one of the slides I gave is like a little infographic about Henry Ford. One of his early cars not only did it run on hemp, but it was made out of hemp and it was stronger than steel. What? Yeah. I couldn't believe in myself. Do we have any evidence of? What does that say? Ten times. One of Henry Ford's first cars ran entirely on hemp ethanol and the body was constructed from hemp plastic. Ten times stronger than steel. So this again, same story. They did not care about people smoking weed at all. They cared about this. So you have to find a way because another proof is that hemp and marijuana are not even the the fucking same. I mean, the they are, that's the male part of the plant, but hemp will not get you high. - Right. - The female part of the plant gets you high. - Right. - So why is hemp banned? Why did they lump hemp in? It makes no logical sense. Unless you understand that the whole point. - That this has something to do with the printing press and what was the guy's name? William Randolph Hurst? - Well, so the printing press obviously was way before that, but William Randolph Hurst is part of the story. He is a wealthy robber baron who owned a lot of red woods. And of course, the timber industry, the paper industry. - Paper, right. - So another thing, I was reading this the other day, when they make a paper, they call it wood pulp. Wood pulp involves a lot of a chemical processing. It's actually bad for your skin. It absorbs into people's skin. They use, I think, for meldehyde or arsenic, some crazy shit like that. So again, it's like, the better product is the one you can grow in three months in your backyard. The better product is the one that the farmer can put the kitchen scraps in the- - Right. - Like that's- - Right. - But they could not win with a fair fight. They could not win in a free market. A bioplastic composite of hemp soybeans, wheat, straw, and flax, things people can grow. - Now what about the, find, we know for a fact that they had alcohol-powered cars? - Yes. I could have brought this big fucking book that I have from David Bloom. - The first cars. - Yeah, well ethanol, you hear of ethanol. - You're right. - It's used today. They brought it back after a hundred years. 'Cause they're like, okay, we'll pepper it in. But even, so there's even a conspiracy about lead in gasoline. So- - Right. - I've heard this one. - Gasoline was a worse product than alcohol for fuel. But they added lead to it. And it helped it become more stable or whatever. - To the gas. - Yeah, that alone, let it gasoline has killed millions of people breathing it in, being exposed to it. And then they just removed it later because alcohol was already off the market. Once you clear out the opposition, the alternatives, then you can be like, okay, fine, we'll bring it back. But just think about the damage and the autonomy lost of those two items. - Just those two. - You know, if we had our own, people would value land if they knew what they could use it for to grow their own stuff that they would just chop up and use as energy. So that alone is very interesting. Then you fold in the Hindenburg. People who've seen the images of the Hindenburg, it's a big fiery ball falling to the ground. So the Hindenburg, yeah, the blimp. - Olen Shannon Maldonado. Gasintehti and Arte saanituotteita were the main source of the Hindenburg. In the spring of the year, the Hindenburg and Arte saanituotteita were the main source of the Hindenburg. They were the main source of the Hindenburg and Arte saanituotteita were the main source of the Hindenburg. The Hindenburg and Arte saanituotteita were the main source of the Hindenburg. First off, if you look up how many people died, it's not that many. It's like half the people jumped as it was coming down to the ground, slowly like a balloon. They jumped off and they were fine. Like majority of people, it's crazy that more people didn't die. It's not like a plane crash. - Plane goes down your dead. - Right. - Why did they stop using Zeppelin's 100% because of one crash? They don't do that with planes. They didn't do that with trains. They didn't do that with cars because it didn't run on oil. And in fact, the Hindenburg, I can't remember. So most of the blimps at this time, it's like sky cruises, right? They were luxurious sky cruises and they were viable. They'd go across the ocean. It was just another form of travel, but it wasn't controlled by the oil only mafia. So at the time, I believe it was helium that they used for blimps. Helium is nonflammable. The US government had a monopoly on helium and they refused to export it to Germany who made the blimps. So the Germans said, "Fuck it, we're gonna still use the blimps, we gotta use the blimps, we built the blimps, we're using the blimps." So they decided to put hydrogen in the blimps instead. Hydrogen is flammable. So then there's reports of somebody who saw the Hindenburg that day, he said that he saw a spark shoot at it. They shot an incinerary around and they shot it down. And it lit on fire because they were using a fuel that they had to use because of the US monopoly on helium. If they had been using helium, it never would have happened. Blimps can just take off like a helicopter. You don't need a giant airport that's government controlled. You don't need all this stuff. So again, our birthright, my buddy Schwab, not buddy, but a guy I've interviewed a few times, he says they took us off the good timeline by all this stuff. So what are we looking at here? The model team. - What do you got here, Steve? - Well, this just backs up what he's saying. Like cars originated as a ethanol powered and then gasoline came up and then ethanol died because of prohibition. - Yeah, but what is the connection? What is the link to is ethanol and alcohol? - Ethanol is just alcohol, yeah, it's just alcohol as a fuel. It's corn and now in today's world it's corn. They say 10% ethanol, that means 10% fermented corn. What? It could be 100% if we let Henry Ford's vision take hold. So here's another weird thing. Henry Ford, I own the book, but I haven't looked at it. You'd have to get the actual name of it. Henry Ford wrote a book about the Jews. Very, very negative book. I think it's called like the international Jew and like it's just the titles bold. Why did Henry Ford, that's the thing. I'm not anti-Semitic, I don't even care. But I'm interested in why this guy who's considered an American hero for the invention of the automobile, I'm interested in why he has such a problem with Jewish people to where he would, you know, billionaire, but he's still willing to risk the blowback of putting out a book like the international Jew. It's interesting, why? Oh, there we go, it is the name of it. The world's foremost problem put out in 1920. The international Jew, the world's foremost problem. That's bold. This is his book. That's bold, Henry. Yeah. Where's the author, Steve? Don't make me wrong. Oh, that's definitely wrong. It's definitely written by him, I'd, here. Does it say the author on there? I do just say bullshit, but I'm pretty sure this is right. How would they do this? How would they show you a book? I've never seen a book without the author printed on the, either the inside. Henry, yeah. It did sit. No, referring to is this anti-Semitic-- they're making a very fun, funded by Henry Ford. The copy I have has his name on the cover, but it was funded by Henry Ford. He wanted this book to be written. Ford's publishing company compiled these defamatory weekly articles into four distinct bound volumes, the international Jew, the world's foremost problem. What else? Jewish activities in the United States, Jewish influences in American life, and aspects of Jewish power in the United States. So what is he on about? I think what he's on about is the oil only oligarchy. I drove here in a Ford. Got speed, you know. Praise be to he. But the thing is, is that he saw something going on. He saw mechanisms moving forces beyond his power that were taking his invention and making it a cash cow for them. I find that interesting. So you can take prohibition, the illegalization, illegalization of marijuana, and the Hindenburg, and all three of the same story, which is these work competitors to oil. The oil people are the bankers. The bankers and the oil people are the 13 bloodline illuminati families. This is conspiracy in a nutshell. So what can we do? We could probably resurrect some of that technology a little bit. We could probably start trying to build things that run on alcohol only that you can make yourself. Now it is dangerous, because like I said, I mean, I got paperwork here that's just all these people who have done this stuff. Some of them is not-- it's not even super esoteric. Some of it is esoteric, where it's free energy devices that use ether physics. But other stuff is like, here's a guy who found a cavitation device that would separate the H from the O in water, and then it could run for 200 miles a gallon, or even just taking conventional oil and using a similar process to make conventional oil run 200 miles a conventional gasoline run 200 miles per gallon. These people, they get wiped out. Yeah, I've heard the story about the guy who created the water powered car and how he got assassinated at like a-- Was it a cracker barrel or something? Yes, I just interviewed somebody who said it was a cracker barrel. He was like chewing out poison by somebody. Yeah, his last words were, they poison me. He was meeting with people to talk about his technology in a restaurant, got sick, walked the parking lot, died. Yeah, because this is the stuff you don't fuck with. Like, I always wonder how much of these stories are just telephone game, just like the ancient religious stories, like the Bible. That's why I stack the deck here, because any one of these in isolation could be bullshit. I don't know. But I mean, do you think that 30 of them are bullshit? Because the temple is the same. The temple is the same. John Andrews, Navy, Water Fuel Powder. In 1917, Portuguese born inventor named John Andrews Approach the U.S Navy. claiming you could convert tap water into a three-cent per gallon gasoline substitute using a proprietary chemical powder, he successfully demonstrated the fluid before Navy officials at the New York Navy yard running a motorboat engine, used his mixture entirely, impressed. They were prepared to build a secure testing lab for them before the official contract could be finalized. Andrews completely vanished, taking the powder with them, rumor swirl that he was kidnapped by foreign agents or bought out by oil executives. I mean, I've got like 30 of these fucking things and the story is always the same. I'm inclined to believe it's true, like the big conspiracy, we can talk about like what's going on in Antarctica, did the moon landing happen, these things don't affect our lives. What affects our lives? We could have abundance, kind of a big deal. Your money could go a lot further, even with all the scams, even though it is a debt-based fraction reserve, Rockefeller Roth Child debt-based trap, even though that's true, if you could make your own energy and you can make your own fuel and you can grow your own food, I think that's a lot off of the monthly budget. 100%, but most people don't have time to do that because they're stuck in this fucking rat race hamster wheel. They have time. Look at your screen time. The screen time is exactly proportionate to what you could be doing to create your own abundance. I am bad with my screens too, it is what it is. It's like exercise, you know, I know everybody should do it and I can sit here and tell everybody that you should get out there and lift some weights, but look at me, I'm not doing that. So sometimes we can't take our own advice, it doesn't make me feel too bad for saying it, like you got to get with it. That's what a lot of people are talking about now is, Catherine Austin Fitz was here. You won't do my show, she did your show, you actually had her travel, she won't even get on zoom with me. I'm just kidding. I mean, I'm not. It is true that she told me that my show is too ridiculous and I'm like, hey, come on, we're both friends with Dr. Farrell here. She's the best friends with Joseph Farrell, right? Yeah, come on. He's a death star guy. You won't do my show. Whatever. The rings of Saturn guy. Yeah. At this point, I don't need her because he did write that. No, he didn't. She recommended. She set me that. But he's the he's a death star guy. Yes. At this point, I mean, what I want to do is I want to interview people who aren't doing every other podcast for the most part. Yes. I don't really need Catherine Austin Fitz, although I wish her well. She is the Tim Dillon phrase, but I brought her up because she is fun. She is fun. And she's talks about building the parallel economy, which is what we, this is, this is it. You know, this is what we should do. We should build the parallel economy. We should say, fuck what they're doing. I don't really care that much. Yeah. Everything is don't bank with the central banks bank, you're small local, like credit union bank or whatever and bank with them, don't do chase Bank of America all these big banks because you're just contributing to this whole problem. It's true. And I'm, I'm more concerned about spending the money locally. I'm more concerned with like between where I came from my, my house and here, I passed like eight ranches, like you say, all the farmland out there. All those ranches have a sign out front with a phone number on it. It's like, if you want to buy your beef, buy it here. That's what I do. I have a freezer full of beef that I bought from a guy down the road who raised the cow a couple of miles from my house, you know, butcher box. I don't know if they're, we have a butcher box sponsorship because I think we have, do you have one currently? Cut it out. Yeah. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. This episode will not be sponsored by butcher box fair. Well, that, when it is, it'd be funny to put the ad right after he said, yeah, when I first got into the grass fed beef thing, I went to butcher box because it was convenient, right? But that's beef. That's insane. It's bad meat, but it is shipped from New Zealand. How does that help the American rancher? How does that help our sustainability? It does not. So instead, go to polyface farms for the same thing, but it's from Kentucky or even better, go to a ranch where you shake the guy's hand and he knows your name and when shit goes down, you have his phone number and your phone. And if Catherine Austin fits his right and you have all these credits and limitations on what you can spend your money on, you need someone outside of the network. Yes. Where they're going to get you is at the checkout line at Publix. Oh, you have too much milk. Oh, you have too much meat. They're not going to get you with the guy with the ranch between you and me. Right. Or they're not going to stop you with your fish and pull. Right. So I think the entropy thing that Dr. Heather Lenn talks about is great because it's really about like slowly weakening everything, even pasteurized milk. I don't know if you've gone down the milk. I have. I have. Raw milk? Way better. I've heard the nutrients of a farm, an egg that you made in your backyard. You know, you have your own chickens and it gets made in your backyard with free range hens. Can you tell me how chickens? Oh, yeah. They're easy as hell. Oh, yeah. They're so easy and they're so soft. Well, they don't mind. Don't let me grab them. But I don't understand. I thought like the healthy eggs were like the dark, dark, dark orange yolks. Well, yeah, that's a, that's a visual cue that they're better in general. But Joel Saladon took his eggs and had them analyzed against, against like store bought eggs. Right. And his farm fresh eggs are like five eggs. Same with we were, we were doing with the fruits. Right. So the fruits are there. And then the meat has the same thing. The meat is like five eggs better if you get it from just a cow that was raised outside. Just left alone. Yeah. I eat Steve's eggs, Steve's eggs that he gets from his chickens. And it's just, it's so different from the eggs you buy from publics. Okay. So why isn't it working for me? I'm eating the eggs. I grow myself. Why is it working for you? I look like you. No, I kid. But the pasteurization of milk is the same story is they got everyone scared of bacteria in the milk. Yeah. Even though we used to have milk managers lay the shit on your front porch and you drink it whenever. So you drink only, not pasteurized. I don't drink only raw milk because it's hard to get. But I do drink raw milk as often as possible and my kids drink raw milk. And it's, what they're doing is they're burning out the nutrients. We're new to you. What's the deal with it? What's the difference? The pasteurization is basically just heating it up, oiling it a lot. So kill the bacteria. To kill the bad bacteria and as we know now, the good bacteria too. Right. So that's really in a healthy system that's the only bacteria in there is the good bacteria. Again, this is a psychological operation to condition us to be afraid of nature. Does it last the same amount of time as it stayed good for the same amount of time as pasteurized? Yeah. I've bought raw milk that wasn't refrigerated. I went to the farm and they had it sitting out and he was like, does this bother you? And I was like, yeah, but I'm still going to buy it. And it was fun. But the pasteurization process, just like all the other things we talked about, it kills the nutrient content. So you're getting 30% of what nature could have gave you without boiling it. Right. Just the game. It makes us weaker. It drains our energy out. You don't even need to fold in fluoride in the water and glyphosate on the food. Just the food itself, it's been drained of its essence. And they do this at every turn. And to me, this used to be boring shit. But now it gets me really fired up because of the kids really because of like just wanting my kids to eat the best stuff in a largely toxic world. And I have friends who think I'm nuts for drinking raw milk. Did you know in Florida, you're allowed to sell raw milk, but you must put a label on it that says for pet consumption only. I had no idea, but that's fucking crazy. The milk that is in my kid's cereal bowl says on it for dogs and cats only. That's insane. It's fucking crazy. And you eventually have to be like, do I trust these babies? Do you give it to babies? Can you give it to babies? Well, I hear back in the day, people used to travel with a goat because they would feed goats' milk to their babies if my wife wasn't around. So straight from the utter to an infant, that's interesting. I mean, traveling with a goat itself is like, what's going on back then? That's the next level. Yeah. People used to be way more self-sufficient and they would do what it takes to be self-sufficient. And today we are such beta cucks. We are just cucks for the whole goddamn system. And if you want to criticize it as so many people do, you gotta put your money where your mouth is. You gotta start divesting. Everyone's got to go to the trough. Everyone's got to go to the government controlled trough to get their slot. We can't just get our own stuff. And I'm on the same page with you with all of this stuff. And the one thing I would say I am also extremely terrified about, which connects right to all this stuff is how this is happening in like the media world. And basically like I live and die by YouTube and YouTube is controlled by Google, which when you learn the hard way during the whole COVID times is that like they can turn you on and off whenever they please and they answer to the fucking government. Yeah. I didn't think I would have much to offer you because you got such a tight ship running here, but my whole shit is independent. And now it's not 100% independent because that's almost impossible to do. But I have, I was very lucky that YouTube banned me from AdSense very early on. Like back when I still worked at GameStop at thousand bucks, it was a lot of money. I had a thousand bucks in my AdSense account and they pulled it and they said, you can't do monetization on your channel anymore. And I was like, thank you because I wasn't yet invested. And now I know I can't depend on you. And this was a decade before COVID. So that's why my show has only been video for you still have the same channel I have the same channel. I was out and admiring the the play buttons they sent you the play button. Yeah. They never sent me my play button. I'm owed a play button. Are you really? I have 100,000 subscribers. That's what you're supposed to get your support. All done for real. Cheap bastards. Who are you guys going to talk to for me? We got to get that play button just so I can destroy it. Did you ever get your AdSense shirt fixed? - So funny enough, you gotta fucking engage with the system for this stuff to work, but I did get a marketing company to start making shorts 'cause I didn't wanna do it myself. And they had a contact and they got it opened up. So my channel is still in shambles. You'll see my shows get like 8,000, 10,000 views. AdSense is basically nothing. We're gonna light the fire on it now, but-- - Yeah, we are. - I'm just a podcast primarily. Podcasts are way more nimble, RSS feeds as long as you can broadcast them, anyone can grab them. And then-- - You subscribe. - Yeah, and you get the show. - It doesn't require, again, an intermediary. Exactly what we've been talking about is they weasel themselves in between the consumer and the producer and they take. So you have YouTube and Spotify now. And that's most of the market for a reason. Now COVID is obviously okay to talk about now, but what will be the next thing? There will be a next thing. Probably when they roll out 6G in the next pandemic. - Well, did you see that something just came out about Fauci and what Tulsi Gabbard just came out with this morning about Fauci on her last day, she's releasing all these files about him talking to the CIA, all this stuff that was retracted with the whistleblowers being threatened. - It's like, again, this is where I talk about, it's kind of like tabloid shit because I know what I need to know about Fauci and about COVID and about that shit. I'm glad she released some stuff. I'm hope it convinces some more people, doesn't really affect my life, but it's good that it's out there. I mean, if we're, I'm gonna say is it better to be out there or not, yeah, it's better, but there's always something like this, disclosure too. - Look at the pattern of it, right? It's probably just theater and everything else seems to be. - Right, and then there's the drip, drip, drip of disclosure. It's like, I don't give a fuck about disclosure. I've read dozens of books with hundreds of cases in there from people who've had bizarre experiences. Isn't it funny how the government disclosure story never really involves witnesses? Chris Bloodstone might be the only one. Why don't people go to the people who have experiences? - Right. - Why do we only care what military guys have to say about it? - Yeah. - Well, who am I mind the most about all of this disclosure stuff? What really like, at least what recently, my mind always changing, but my recent mind change that I'm still on that trajectory of is when I talked to Peter Leventa a couple months ago. Now, and I asked him like, what is overall take? What is my like, what's your 30,000-foot view of all this shit? He goes, he goes, he goes, I'll tell you if I was the CIA and I was the government, I really want to know what this stuff was. I would go directly to the experiences themselves and figure out what's going on inside their brains. Take apart the radio and figure out what it is. He thinks it's all consciousness. He thinks that's the core of this whole thing is consciousness. - It is, I agree. - This is the gathered, we're releasing the Fauci. - There's a couple of meetings, I say it's all consciousness. A major one is because when you look at the data of the experiencers, they're so bizarre that aliens cannot account for it. You don't have a lot of people who see the same being and the same craft do the same thing. It's like a dream. It's as bizarre as a dream. So how can there be blob entities and mantids and fucking reptilians and all this other shit? - Yeah. - It's some kind of thing going on with the mind. And that brings us back to magic. I wish the occult scholars and the euphologists would get together more often. You do the debates and stuff. Get them in here, talking to each other. I got the list of names. I love to see. - You've got people in the euphologists. - Yeah, like Dr. Steven Skinner is an academic of occult texts. He's translated more than most people. - Steven Skinner. - Steven Skinner. - Steven Skinner. - He's very good at what he does. And I would like to see him talking to more euphologists. But the thing is, is that both parties would probably consider the other one to be ridiculous and have no value. - Well, Levent has a good crossover between the two. - He is, he's an odd duck too. He's got some occult stuff in his background that makes you wonder that he doesn't-- - Does that grow gobble-cub? - Yeah, that he doesn't exactly advertise. And that's fine. But yeah, I think that the fact that there are books out there that we could buy on Amazon right now, that a couple hundred years ago would have gotten you skinned alive to possess. That alone is interesting. Why? It's all bullshit, who cares? - Right. - 'Cause it's not bullshit. But it is equations for summoning certain energies. Maybe they're demons or whatever, but certain energies. And these energies have real world effects. Right now, just like the energy monopoly, there's a monopoly on magic and it's only the bad guys. They're the only ones who use it. But I think magic is absolutely real. There was a guy Neville Goddard in the '50s. There was this movement, new thought. It's a lot of, it sounds kind of new AG, so I wasn't really into it, but I listened to some Neville Goddard lectures and it really sold me. He had this thing where at his lectures, he would say, "Go home tonight and when you're falling asleep, that's the other thing." People listen to TV and podcasts when they fall asleep. They don't get into their inner mind at all. It's the one quiet time of the day. And the hypnagogic state, the state between wake and sleep, they say it's one of the most powerful states the human mind begins. - The hypnagogic state, yeah. - That's when you can manifest things and that's when you can get the best ideas. That's when ideas come to people from where, where are ideas from? - It's also when people have the UFO abduction experiences right now. - Exactly. So it is a bizarre point in every person's life every single day. You have this at least once. I wake up like three times a night. So it happens to me a couple of times. But if you engage with the hypnagogic state, Neville Godder would say, tell yourself three nights in a row, picture yourself climbing a ladder. Just picture yourself climbing a ladder. And then during the day, tell yourself, "I will not climb a ladder." 'Cause he was trying to demonstrate that the subconscious visualization is far more powerful than the conscious vocalization. - Okay. - And so I listened to a guy saying how he was like, I thought this was all bullshit because why would I be on a ladder? I can easily avoid ladders for three days. Him and his buddies went to the lake. They were jumping off the dock to get back on the dock. He found himself climbing a ladder. And he was like, "Holy shit, he got me, he got me." This is just one example that when you tell your subconscious what you want, it will bring it to you. There is a magnetism to it. I'm starting to believe this. And again, probability multiplier. If you say you want a million dollars, well, the probability might move from 0.1 to 0.2. It's a huge movement. Still not gonna happen. There's other instances where people have said, "I want a million dollars." And if you're aware enough of your day-to-day activities, you might find yourself playing GTA V and you might find yourself getting a million dollars in the game. It's up on the screen. Your subconscious doesn't know the difference. Your subconscious thinks it gave you what you asked for. So I think we're constantly manifesting. We talked a little bit about synchromysticism and the examples of why is NEO's passport expire? - Oh my god. - 9/11 2001. - I blew my fucking mind. - Right, so to me, to me, this is advanced sigil magic. So here's a weird example, the Titanic, right? - The NEO's passport from the Matrix. It expires on 9/11. I think is the year on there? - The year's on there. - The exact day. - My god. - So how does that happen? - Yup. - We have an expression to it. - The first thing is you get your mind blown by it, but then-- - And this movie came out two years before 9/11. - Yeah, so your first thing is like, "Oh, that's mind-blowing." But then when you get over the shock of it, you have to be like, "Well, how does this happen?" One theory is like, "Well, obviously, "someone knew it was gonna happen on 9/11," and they put it on the passport, and maybe they were just signaling. When you see these things in media before they happen in real life, the main theory is the karmic theory that they have to tell us what they're doing for them to avoid the karma of it in the grand scheme of it. The elite have to tell us what they're gonna do, and we have to not stop it. I think that's bullshit, because who's the decider on if we've been told enough? You know what I mean? It seems pretty high stakes to deal with your eternal karma. Is that telling us? People are trying to make the argument that is telling us. Well, what if I didn't see the matrix? Am I karmically responsible for 9/11? The karma angle, I think, makes no sense. What makes more sense to me is this is advanced magic. Gordon White, one of his big claims to fame was sigil magic. He was really good at breaking down the mechanics of why sigils work and help you manifest. And he had some good techniques for doing it. What is a sigil? Is like, you take a statement of what you want to be true, you jumble it up, you make a symbol out of it, you put it somewhere in your periphery for a little while so that your subconscious gets the message and then you get rid of it. So you don't want your conscious mind focused on it. I kind of think that's what's going on here. If you want 9/11 to happen, you embed it in the subconscious of the mass population. That's an argument that doesn't require anything, it doesn't matter how many people see it. You know a lot of people will see it. How many people, I mean, how long was out on the screen and fucking the matrix, probably like a split second and how do people notice the expiration date? - If you look at marketing, supplemental marketing, it only takes one frame. That's how you get to the subconscious mind. So here's a good example. One of the synchromistic examples that is most mind blowing is the Titanic. So Morgan Robertson in 1898 wrote a novella called futility or rec of the Titan. That's 14 years before the Titanic. - That's pretty crazy. - Yes, both ships were deemed unsinkable. Both were 800. feet long. Both use three triple plaid screw propellers. Both had the legal minimum of life boats. In the book is 20 in real life. It's 24. Both crashed in mid-April into an iceberg. Right. So this is a book written 14 years before the event. Yep. If you want this to happen, you get a, this guy, I believe, was a Navy guy too. So you get a connected person to write the book, put it out there, and then you have the plan too. But for the plan to work, it's almost like gravity. Like there's a gravity to the narrative. The narrative has been seated in the book. A couple thousand people read the book. You put the pieces in motion and the gravity takes it to the story that was written. Yeah. That's how I look at it. I haven't heard Eric Wargo. He has the time loops. Yes. This is all connects to that. He thinks that these are time loops. He thinks that like people, you can do pre-cognition. People can have pre-cognitive dreams or whatever. And he thinks that like, I don't know exactly how to explain it. I was gonna let him try to do it because I know it's very tough. But basically it's like, it's looping time, right? So it's like the past predicting the future in the other way around. Right. It's like the future already happened in this echoing through time. Yeah. That's a very bad way of explaining it. But basically essentially what was happening is people are having these dreams, right, about things that are happening in real life later. It's hard to get a signal how to explain it. It even happened to him. But it's like, so there was a couple of people who couldn't figure out what was happening and what they started doing was recording every single dream they had immediately after it happened. Yeah. And after they woke up. So they had a recording and a date of when that dream happened. And they would be able to map that or match that with things that happened in real life. And it was real. It was happening. Yeah. I mean, pre-cognitive dreams. Before 9/11, there was like a bunch of people that had dreams about that happening. Yeah. And there's a lot of apocalyptic dreams that don't necessarily turn into apocalypses, but it is a phenomenon that is real just like you're about viewing. But so to finish this titanic example and stick the landing as to why I think what these situations are, these predictive program and examples is they're seeding things in fiction so that when they are ready for the operation to go, it goes off along these lines because of the gravity has been drawn to the narrative. Is this making sense to you? You're looking like it is. It is. Okay. So here's the thing. A couple of years ago, we had the ocean gate submarine that was going down to check out the titanic wreckage and it imploded in the people died, right? Yeah. Do you remember what that was called? What was it called? The Titan. The Titan is the initial name of the the titanic in the book. So my mind says there's a narrative embedded in the subconscious of reality that the Titan goes down in this location. Initially, it was the boat. Sure. They made it as close to the book as they could. But the script is still running in the timeless subconscious reality. So when the Titan goes down, reality says, "Oh, that's supposed to crash. That's supposed to go down." And so it does. And what's it called ocean gate? What's the term used for all scandals as gate? Watergate. They named the submarine Titan because it was going to explore the titanic, right? I don't know why they named it, but to reality, it doesn't matter why it was named. The reality says, "Oh, this is what's supposed to happen because it's been seated in the subconscious, in the greater subconscious." And so it does happen. My thing is that we all have this ability. We have this ability to seed our own stories in our own subconscious if we work on it like a muscle. But we don't even believe it to be possible. They've engineered it out of us. As Dean Raiden said, they killed off a lot of people who had the innate ability. They monopolized spirituality. They've dominated all of our time with economic concerns and real world material concerns. We don't ever go to the inner world. The inner world's where the power is. The inner world is where you can manifest things that you want. And people can mock it and say, "It's dumb all day. I don't give a fuck. I'm 40 years old. I believe it to be true. I'm doing it and I'm going to continue to do it for the next 40 years and I'm going to die." Yeah. If I'm lucky to get to 80. I guess I'm past convincing people. It's my job. It's our job to present to help researchers and knowledgeable people present controversial counter-takes. I like doing that. But in just everyday waking life, I don't care if my friends think the moon landing was real. I just don't care anymore. I don't care if they think 9/11 was just as they told it was on the news. It's like if we laugh and we have fun and we have shared history, a lot of my good friendships are based on drug history. And I'm done with drugs in my life. So I'm not going to get new friends that are this tight. Right. So I got to let that stuff go. The problem is COVID made conspiracy scary to other people. And we all had kids at the same time too. So here I am. COVID is a big sia and they're like all traumatized by it. We have kids. I'm not vaccinating my kids. Another reason I had to leave California. You cannot, you cannot put kids in school without vaccinations. You cannot. Very, very hard to do. I even had a pediatrician who was, I thought I was about here. She, it's great here. It's it's terrible there. I had a pediatrician who was basically willing to lie. She kind of said how she had lied before and in California. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously I'm not going to put her thrown in the bus, but she had, she had gone to Sacramento many times in campaign and been like this is dangerous. Stop making kids do this. But at her job, she was a pediatrician. You realize as you know with kids, you realize that if you don't vaccinate your kids, pediatricians don't do anything. They measure the kids head and they measure how long they are and they get the weight and they give you the percent and they say out the door. But why should they do anything? If your kid is healthy, and then if they, and they give you percentiles, and if your kid is not the right percentile, they farm you out to a bunch of other people because you think, oh my god, I have a problem. My kid's not normal. Yeah. Exactly. There's all these mechanisms where you get into the secondary stuff. It's a fucking industry. It's a machine. And if you don't give your, yes. And if you don't give your kids 60 shots, there's nothing for a pediatrician to do. My kids don't go to a pediatrician. There's no reason to go. They've both only been sick a handful of times. And if you go to the natural paths and they say, what is a fever? A fever is your body's response to trying to burn off the toxin that's in your body. So you let a fever run. If you give pills to suppress a fever, the toxin stay in the body and you're sick more often. Your body has to go through a detox phase every three months instead of every 12 months. Right. I've tried this and it's, it's worked. It's scary to do when you're, when it's two in the morning and your two-year-old has 103 fever and you don't have anyone to call. Yeah. And no one in your family believes you. It's scary. Yeah. Luckily, me and my wife are on the same page. We let these things run their course. Our kids are the healthiest kids I know. By the way, Greg is a doctor. If anyone was curious. So he is, he is sanctioned to give a legal medical advice. It's true. It's true. That's funny, man. It's just crazy. Yeah, I completely agree with you, man. The whole thing is it's a, it's a crazy fucking scam. Yeah. You know, all the way down to hospitals too. You know, like hospitals, every time somebody gets into a hospital, it ends up just being a long cascading effect of more and more pride. It's just the problems snowball when you start to get your foot in the door in the front door of this fucking crazy meat grinder industry of medicine. They don't give you any quality food. You're in an EMF soup. You don't get to see sunlight. Right. And that's the thing is our bodies do heal themselves and our bodies will heal themselves in spite of all that. In a lot of cases, when you come out of the hospital, you say, oh, the hospital fixed him or his body fixed himself in spite of all the bullshit. Like when we get a cut, we just leave it alone. We know our skin will heal. When you break a bone, you have it set so that it heals the right way at the right angle, but you just let it heal. But when we get sick, we don't think our body can heal it. We need to get a pill. We need to go see what we've always been creating medicine. We've always been creating remedies and using drugs since the beginning of human history to try to deal with ailments, to try to deal with disease, and to try to deal with wounds and combat wounds and anything like that. We've been creating pre-fucking performance enhancing drugs since the early Roman Empire. It's a human thing. It's human nature to try to do this, to try to develop, just because we create new things that seem crazy, that seem too complex to be natural. That's still nature. We are nature. So any technology we create, outside, I'm not excusing the whole crony capitalist industry that's just put on top of us to control us and to just suck us dry of all of our money. But I'm not all medicine is created equal. Gordon used to, that was a big gripe of his, when I would say natural, he'd be like, "Everything is natural." But I'm saying natural is the green world versus the artificial synthetic matrix world. And that's people know what you mean, but there isn't really better language for it. But yeah, herbs work and nature provides medicines. But the idea that is popular today is that when I [BLANK_AUDIO] get sick, I should go get a chemically synthesized, artificial chemical that was derived from oil, again, oil only out like archi, and then that's gonna fix me. Or you might take pills for a week and get better in spite of the pills you were taking. But your mind says, oh, thank God I had those pills. Thank God the doctor told me to take the pills and then I got better two weeks later. Or your cut heels on its own, your bone heels on its own, your symptoms go away on their own. It's kind of the paradigm I operate in now. But yeah, of course, nature creates things that are very helpful. What's crazy is these apps where I'll tell you what a plant does? I went around my property. There's all kinds of plants that are just there that I didn't plant, but I would snap 'em and I'd be like, what is this for? And they all have a laundry list of positive uses. - Really? - And it's like, yeah, I haven't chopped anything down because maybe I need the camper plan. The camper is good for anti-insects and shit. - Yeah. I remember when I was a kid when I used to get really somber, my mom would just slice open her aloe plants in her backyard and rub it all over my skin. I'd be fucking, I'd be healed by the next morning. - Yes, yes. Nature will give you much better products, but you can't patent nature and it's hard to sell nature piled and in lotion form. I mean, obviously the hippies do it, but people just, there's some conventional conditioning that it has to come from proctor and gamble or Pfizer, the experts. It has to come from them for it to have any real potency. - Well, it's funny too how the companies all try to wrap their branding in like nature and natural and like sugar-free, organic. - Yeah. - You know what I mean, like my mother-in-law, she's always like buying shit junk food and bring it to our house for the kids. And she'd be like, look, it's organic. - Yeah, I know, I'm guilty of that myself a little bit. I like cheeseball. I like a cheeseball, okay? I get the organic ones because fuck it. - I like Oreos. I'm not gonna buy the healthy one. I'm gonna buy the fucking, the natural Oreos double stuffed with the extra colors, okay? If I'm eating an Oreo, I'm eating an Oreo. Same thing if I'm drinking a Mountain Dew, I'm drinking a Baja Blast with my Taco Bell and it's gonna be sensational. - You've heard the Mountain Dew conspiracy, right? - No. - I really shouldn't have brought it up because I can't articulate it very well. But there's a conspiracy that every time Mountain Dew launches a new version, it's right before a big disaster that equates directly to that branding. So Mountain Dew live wire, right after it was like a giant blackout, Mountain Dew Baja Blast, right after it was a huge tsunami. - Where was the tsunami in Baja California? - You'd have to look, you'd have to, no, no. I don't think it's that specific. I think it might have been like the Japan one, you know? - Okay. - It's not, but if you look up Mountain Dew conspiracy, you'll have, you'll find people who've listed them all and it's like five things. It might be what I'm talking about. It might have been like, maybe the CEO of Mountain Dew is an occultist and doesn't tell anybody. And when his buddies go at the Bilderberg meetings, they say, hey, we're gonna do this tsunami thing, we're gonna do this blackout thing. It's just like pepper it in. Find a branding that works. Sometimes it is coincidence. You can't say that there's nothing that's coincidence, but you know, how many coincidences does it take for you to say, maybe magic is real and occultists run the world and they're using the same mechanisms that are available in your own fucking head if you had the awareness. - There you go. - The Flavor Disaster Theory, popularized by online creator, just got there. - Code red, before 9/11, Maui Burst before the devastating Maui fire, Star Spangled Flash. - What? - Prior to the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse, oh, that's an interesting one. I didn't know about that one. - Which blackout. - Which blackout. - Which blackout. What about live wire? That was a, that was one. I drank live wire for long. - Oh my god. Have you seen the mountain? What's the monster energy one? - Just that it's 666 in Hebrew. - 6666, that's what it is. - That's another thing, dude. So what's the most popular water right now? - Liquid death. - Liquid death. Why would you call it that? So there's an edgy. - Well, there's been studies that words matter, words carry energy. And so there's a big subset to the world right now going into water and gel state water and an structured water and how important water is. So when you put water in aluminum can away from sunlight and you call it liquid death and death is on the can, I do think there's an energy transfer. It's crazy as it sounds. And it's probably the worst water you could drink. They're not a sponsor, are they? - No. - Okay, good. I didn't say liquid death anymore. Usually if it is, it's around. But the point is just that monster energy drink. So you put 6666 in Hebrew, you call it monster. These names do carry weight. And I think-- - Well, liquid death's funny one because their whole thing is death to plastic. Like stopping pollution, right? No more plastic, but their can is lined with plastic. - Well, right. And when you cut open the brain, so they say, when you cut open the brain of an Alzheimer's patient and an autistic kid, the commonality is they both have too much aluminum. So this is another thing where my friends gave me a lot of shit 'cause we do these barbecues. And I'm like, I'm not having aluminum. I'm not eating anything that was cooked and heated aluminum. And they think I'm fucking crazy. And then we go out on the golf course and I'll have a few beers 'cause you can't take glass on the golf course. So it's all aluminum. My mom's 85 years old drinks Bud Light every day. So maybe I'm overthinking the aluminum thing or maybe it's not absorbing into the liquid in like a Bud Light can. But the fact that you're gonna wrap ribs in tin foil and put it on the hot heat and then eat that. You don't think there's some leaching? I don't know, but I want to distance myself from aluminum as much as possible because of that simple fact, my memory's already shot. I'm worried about Alzheimer's, I'm not. They're not getting me. I'll ride it all down. I do wanna keep aluminum away from me because of that. And aluminum cans, I drink a lot out of aluminum cans because how can you not? You go to a 7-Eleven and if you wanna avoid aluminum and plastic, it's impossible. Are you styrofoam? It's a sick system. You gotta start getting stuff outside of it and it just makes a dent. People will criticize me and say, oh, so you're gonna eat everything off the land? No, I'm not. No, I'm not. But instead of a multivitamin, instead of a multivitamin, my kids eat mulberries off the tree and it has a similar effect. It's just like it's countering all the damage we do just living in the world. I got one foot in the real world and one foot in the crazy world. I'm too normal for the weirdos and I'm too weird for the normies and I'm too, you get it. Rogan was talking about this the other day on one of his podcasts, I forget who the guest was but it was one of his ones last week. And he was saying that the same thing that you're saying right now, like with all the pollution and all the microplastics and all that stuff, getting less sunlight, doing more less labor-intensive work, being tapped into screens 24/7, this is like the natural evolution of human beings and this is the way it's going, especially with AI and all that stuff. So like his thing was like just, you know, he's like I'm just gonna lean into it. I think we, there's no point in fighting it, right? There's no, it's futile to try to fight it because it's too powerful. It's the way we're going and it's the way we were meant to evolve and he thinks that that's why we're gonna end up being the whole great, the gray alien, the spindly little gray alien with the big eyes and the big head and no muscle tone and no sexual organs because the microplastics are eventually gonna shrink our taint so much and we're gonna have any balls or dick and no sexual reproductive organs. We're gonna use crisper and things like this to basically create designer babies. - Right, sounds fun. - Sounds fun. I can't wait. That's why I'm like, you're right, this guy's right, you're not going to stop it from happening, but your level of participation is where you have the power. And so yeah, I still use AI searches to find things, but I've divested to the level in which I can. One last aspect of abundance versus scarcity, it's kind of commonplace, but people talk about planned obsolescence, right? That a lot of our stuff is built to break down. The smartphone definitely could have had a removable battery, but they built it in because they want you to have to buy the new smartphone every time. Printers used to have chips in them that would say after so many prints, just stop working. Like, planned obsolescence is built into everything, but I interviewed this woman, Cassena Dana Ritzer, a long time ago, and she wrote, where she produced a documentary called The Lightbulb Conspiracy. And it was basically all about planned obsolescence. And again, it just, it just extracts your wealth, extracts your energy, and what's crazy is so, the reason it's called The Lightbulb Conspiracy is the film focuses on the phobias, the phobias cartel. The first documented corporate conspiracy to artificially degrade a consumer product. In the early 1920s, standard incandescent lightbulbs comfortably lasted 2,500 hours. In December 1924, major global lightbulb manufacturers, including Phillips and General Electric, met secretly in Geneva to form the phobias cartel. They agreed to strictly limit the maximum lifespan of all lightbulbs to 1,000 hours. The cartel engineered filaments to break faster. They set up rigorous testing labs and issued heavy financial fines to any member company whose lightbulbs lasted longer than 1,000 hours. Now, where it's crazy, there is a fire station in Livermore, California, that has a lightbulb. They call it the Centennial Light. It's been burning since 1901. It's still going. What? [BLANK_AUDIO] of the old light bulbs. It's one that didn't get destroyed and didn't break. So you can go to this fire house and the whole little community. It's a big old party every year when it turns another year older. This is one stupid example of light bulbs. How many things in our lives has the same thinking, deteriorated products, there you go. - This is it. - Mysterious light bulb. - So mysterious. - So mysterious. - 10 years old. - It's so fucking mysterious yet they won't get it down and see why it lasts and then duplicate it because that's not the name of this game. - Right. - That's what pisses me off is like you got the energy people all getting whacked for having abundance. You got us taken away from nature. You got the soil depleted. You can't even get a goddamn light bulb that works the way light bulbs should work. - Dude, do you know about how Obama banned and condescent light bulbs when he was in office? - Yeah, yeah. - Now and push it all to LEDs, which are what, so incandescent or full spectrum light. - Yep, right. - And a flicker rate of LEDs. - LED flicker ratio. So now he made it mandatory that all new light bulbs had to be LED, which is a main, if you look at it, if you look at the light spectrum on them, it's like majority blue light. Which is the same thing you get from your phone. - So this is me, this is where I go with like, we're not gonna fight the elite, but a lot of these games they played on us are old. Like, do you think it's illegal to start a light bulb company where the light bulbs do last 2,500 hours? I don't think it would be today, but it's the perception management that they've done. We don't believe it to be possible. It is possible, we just looked at it. If you don't like your job, - How do you make money? - You can't make money if your light bulb lasts forever. - Today you can, because I think everybody would just be like the infinity bulb and you just buy one. - Right. - And then close up shop. Who gives a fuck? - You made your million. You know, what it doesn't work for is companies that need 10% growth every year forever. - Yes. - That's what it doesn't work for. - That's the answer to a board of directors. - It would work for us. If we studied that technology, put a little money into it, marketed it, and started our own light bulb company, I bet we'd make a million bucks and people would have better light bulbs. These opportunities are everywhere. So Katherine Austin fits why I did wanna talk to her is like, you know, it's not all about just the farmer's market. Katherine, you know, it's about stuff like this. It's about free energy. A lot of it would get you killed. The energy stuff would get you killed. Fucking with oil probably get you killed. - Yeah. - Light bulbs we could make. We could start a nursery. All these things make biochar. There's a lot of opportunity in fixing the six system on the periphery where anyone who's listening right now hates their job. I'm trying to throw out ideas where you can actually reorient yourself. Is it gonna be kind of grueling work to burn biochar and make that sure? But you get to decide when you get up. You get to keep all that money. You get to decide how much you sell and this and that. Like there's a lot more autonomy in it. No job's gonna pay you what you could make on your own and nature is right there ready to help you with abundance but you just gotta align with it. - Mm-hmm. Yeah, it seems to be just like shadowy powers that want to get rid of all this stuff at a consumer level, right? I mean, it even goes back to like, have you looked into these missing scientists? - Yeah. - All these scientists that have gone missing. - Yeah. - I know what happened once before in the '80s or something like that with a security scientist working on some stuff where they all got killed and grew some accidents. But it makes you wonder what the fuck did these people know? What kind of, was it something to do with energy? Was it something to do with something like this? Or was it all, I mean, is it just the mainstream theory that it was like spooky flying saucers that they knew about, I don't know. But it seems like it, I don't know what it is, but it's very strange and it doesn't seem like a coincidence that all these people went missing. Right when Trump released these or announced that he was gonna release all these crazy UFO files. - Exactly, one of them, sorry to interrupt you, but Chris Knowles, who runs a secret sun blog, he's so good, but he has laid out this case that every president as soon as they'd mention aliens or talk about disclosure, they suffer a terrible PR nightmare or an assassination attempt. Carter, Ford, Reagan, they all happened to him. And then Trump, he said he was gonna release the files and then they had the press dinner and they stopped the kid who was like a NASA contractor that guy, Colin, that whole thing. That could have been a warning shot or it could have been all theater. But I do like the premise that a lot of presidents have faced trouble when they bring it up because it's like, you do not go there. And the reason why I think is not aliens, it's energy. So I like the theory that those people who went missing is because it's doing a brain drain where they're actually trying to work on the technology to actually bring it out. Why would they bring it out now? And I just talked about all these people dead. There's no markets left. AI's a giant bubble. There's nowhere to make money anymore. So I like the premise that disclosure is coming because they're going to say, oh, these aliens did give us this technology. We didn't know how it worked. We spent the last 100 years trying to reverse engineer it and now it's ready. And now we're going to open up new markets with this technology because it deflects away from all these fucking murders. You know, it deflects away from the fact that you've had it the whole time. It's not, it doesn't need aliens. It's right here. People have done it involves the ether. People have known about this. But you can cover it up. You can obscure it by just simply saying, oh, the aliens gave it to us. And I think they need the energy for the AI data centers. If they want the control grid, if that's the number one thing, you ubiquitous control over everyone, digital currency IDs and all that. If they want that and it requires us much energy, it's the only thing where you would run the calculus and be like, it's worth it to put it out there if it gets us this. And that's where I think it'll happen. You know, we'll see, we'll see. But that's where I'd put my money is that we will see the rollout of this stuff. Once people get over the raw raw alien thing, it'll be about the technology and then it'll be about implementing it in a way that the AI data centers can run 'cause they cannot run on the current allowed energy infrastructure. So they have to open up other things to get it to work. And that's the only reason they would do it is 'cause they want the control grid over everything else. - Right. We were just looking at the one that was the GROC data center yesterday on the podcast. - Colossus? - Colossus, that's what it was. - It's freaking insane. The thing's massive. - Yeah. - And they want to put, I know there's like proposals to get more data centers in Florida. There was one, I think that was like shut down. That was supposed to go into our land or something. And I also heard they were trying to put one in near Tampa or like Lakeland. - I worry about that. I worry about that. 'Cause they need water. - What's the, yeah, that's the issue, right? - We have great water. - Maybe like natural water runoff or something. - We have great aquifers and underwater underground water. And so we are primed for it. But we have hurricanes. And I think that they will avoid building them here because of the hurricanes. I'm hoping 'cause they put them everywhere else. - Or when we do get hurricanes, all the power companies, they just rush to the data centers. They leave all the neighborhoods just like to waiting until they get the data centers back online. - There's that theory too, that the priority will be the data centers and people will be without. Which is why, you know, here's some alternatives. Here, get a generator now. - Yeah. - Sun will probably still be there. - Yeah. - It will get difficult, but building a parallel economy is the best move. Getting in touch with your own inner world and your own ability to manifest. Like the whole sigil thing, I think people know that sigils are, you write out a statement. First off with the sigil statement. - Like a logo, right? - It can be. - Like a logo where you automatically get the feeling of what it means, what it tastes like, what it. - Yeah, a lot of, so the thing that starts with magic is like people don't even know what they want. You think you do, but have you ever articulated it into an actual sentence, what you specifically want? A lot of people don't. They know they want more money. They want greater health, greater success. The universe doesn't understand that. You got to be a little more specific. I want $7,000 by next Thursday. - Right. - You know, stuff like that. So the thing Gordon White was so great about and anyone who's interested in magic should go to runesoup before it, maybe it's taken down since he's dead now, but with the sigil magic thing, what he added to it is. - Runesoup. - Runesoup, like a rune magic. And then obviously like talk soup. He was playing on two things there. But his biggest contribution was probably sigil magic. And he would say he had this skull, like fish go in schools, they call it like a shawl, like a group. - School. - Yeah, school, he said shawl for some reason. And also the robo fish. So his principle was, so robo fish because, and he was always great with like making things fun and using real analogies, but they discovered in the lab that if you make a robotic fish, other fish will follow it because it acts with confidence. And they're like, oh shit, he knows what's going on. I guess I'll follow him. And the robo fish will lead to school of fish. And this is just a phenomenon that happens. - Yeah. - So he applied this to sigil magic. And he said, if you want to manifest your goals, you have to lead, you have to lead your subconscious to get the wheel turning because we don't spend any time doing it. So make a group of sigils, launch them all at one time, psychically launch them, you know, like concentrate on them at the right time, but launch them at the same time in a group, not an individual, and create some that you know will manifest. I will have coffee tomorrow morning. I will drive to publics tomorrow and buy potatoes and tomatoes. Make a sigil for those things. Add a sigil that says. - What do you mean make a sigil for them? - Just do something. - Right out the sentence. - So writing it is creating a sigil for it. - No, you write out the sentence. You cross out the duplicate letters and you cross out the vowels and you take the leftover letters and you create it into an artistic symbol. This is all just to get past the conscious mind. That's why it works. It's like you're just trying to program your subconscious and get past language and get past this stuff just to the idea, the core idea. And then if you help your subconscious along your gaming it by seeding some that will happen. So you say you add the ones that will happen. I will watch the Matrix tomorrow and then make sure you do it. - Right. - And then add in one that says, I will find the love of my life before the years end. And you will. There is that you will. Or I want my dream job. So even dream job isn't specific enough. I want to create a million dollar biochar business within the next three years. - Right. And I'll raise my mind. - What is magic though? Like is that some sort of like an unexplainable phenomenon? Like psychic phenomena happening in the ether? Or is that you just sort of cementing an idea in your subconscious mind that biologically is gonna bubble up later? - Yeah, I think that there's a gravity. Terence McKinnis said the universe runs on narrative. So I always found that really bizarre. But with this stuff it kind of makes sense 'cause like the example of the Titanic. You write the book, you write the story, and then the universe has a gravity that if pieces look like they're moving that way, it finishes the story for you. And this is like programming your subconscious in a similar way. Give it a story. We wake up every day, we go to work, we come home, we entertain ourselves until the next day. We don't think about the future, we don't think about much. Take control of your own fucking life, people listening. And start determining what you specifically want and then gamify your life and put it out there in your subconscious. - It is very weird. It's so weird how it happens, man. I mean, I was just the other day looking at photos I took of like, I used to listen to a lot of Tony Robbins when I was a kid, like when I was young. It is very, it's all very similar. NLP stuff that you guys were talking about at dinner. I'm sorry, you were talking about Bandler. And I was like, I heard that name in the Tony Robbins book when I was like 15 listening to it, vacuuming my apartment. And I would like make, I would write down, 'cause he would say write down exactly where you wanna be, what you want your day to be like. Like what is your ideal, this is what he said in one of his books, which take you to leave it whatever you're pending in his Tony Robbins. Like right out, what your ideal day would be like from the time you wake up to the time you go to bed, everything you're gonna do. And I would do that. And I was like looking back, 'cause I would take photos of these notes I would take. And I'd be like, dude, this is my exact day now. This is crazy. I never even thought about it though. Like you never think about the steps it takes. As long as you like, I just, all I did was write it down a couple times. Maybe I look back at it, you know, every couple of years. And it comes true. The shared dream we call reality will move you towards it once you say what you want. Never got it would say your subconscious is like your parents, like your cosmic parents, that it's there. You just gotta ask it for help. And then it'll shepherd you towards what you asked for. The next step is to get deeper into astrology, which is real. And I know it's crazy. But you take the astrological roadmap, get yourself a good reading from someone who knows their shit. And then you get the roadmap, and then you structure your sigils, 'cause again, it's a probability enhancer. So look at the stars, look at your chart, look where your greatest probability opportunities are. Maybe 2027 in March, there's a good alignment for you. Make sigils that say, I'll get my x, y, or z goal, and this is the day. Because the star, I do believe astrology is real. It's fucking crazy. So when I had my astrology, my birth chart read, was there a moment for you where it was like, you thought it was bullshit, and then you're like, oh my god. Oh yeah, Austin Copic is one of the best out there. Him and Gordon used to do a lot of shows. I became too hot to do shows with, I guess, 'cause of the Conspiracy Association. He wanted to keep it clean. Astrologers doesn't want to get in bed with a conspiracy guy. You know, I think my shit's more real. That's so goofy. I know, but whatever. I love Austin. Sorry to put him on blast. But when he did my birth chart, so there's a particular house that is for your career. There's a house for every aspect of life. Love, family, career, this and that, inner-projection out-of-world, in my house for career. I have a conjunction of Mercury and Jupiter. Mercury is communication and technology. Jupiter is like, big-ness, right? My job, my career, where my life finally started to work, is when I talked to people one-on-one and projected them out through technology on the internet to 100,000 people. That is my birth chart. That's what it says I would do. If I wanted to find success, I would do it. Now, I could've had no balls and been a giant pussy and stayed at a retail manager and I never lived my story. But instead, I happened to take the shot because the inner pull told me like, if you wanna be happy, you gotta go do something else. And what came to me happens to be reflected exactly in my fucking birth chart. It's interesting. - That is interesting. - And then you take the astrological configurations of the year ahead and they'll all have a relationship to where the stars were in your birth chart. And so it tells you a story of the rest of the years in which you're alive. It is crazy, but I would tell everyone to look at it and engage with it. It's fun. How much time are you wasting? People like, why would you waste your time with astrology? It's like, let me look at your fucking life and I'll find some stupid areas where you're wasting. - Again, I just wonder how much of this stuff is the power of belief inside the human psyche in the human mind. When you believe something enough, it can ultimately manifest. Whether that be astrology, whether it be a fucking DMT trip, telling you that you're an alien from another planet, that's the populating the earth, or whether you believe that any religion is true, or whatever, that can somehow manifest in your life, make your life better. I wonder how much of that stuff is actually going on versus, I don't think it matters at all. I think, I don't think that if you believe that, like the materialists, biological view of it, or whether you believe it's fucking astrology, I think it has the same effect either way. It's just curious, I think about that sometimes. - I think about it too, it's an age old question. People have always wondered if it's, is it me doing it, or is there some real magic here? - It's like the consciousness question, right? Like, what everyone wants to know, what is consciousness? It's the same thing as the UFO question. What are aliens? Are we allowed in the universe? Is there a god who built the pyramids? What is consciousness? I don't think we are supposed to find out the answers to that stuff. - That's kind of true. I think my life is more fun with astrology being real, and I'm also skeptical. I come in with a skeptical, but open-minded approach, and I just see example after example, after example where it does work. And eventually I said, you know what? I am gonna get my kids birth charts done by someone professional, so I can see where their challenges are going to be. And then I'm gonna try to shepherd my parenting towards their personality traits, and where they're gonna have difficulties in their lives. And I'm gonna try to massage that for them, 'cause that's the role of a parent. I'm not trying to make many mies. I'm trying to look at them, and the configurations they came under and amplified. Another thing Gordon White told me is that a lot of times the royal family, they don't let you know when they're offspring or born. They go into the hospital, they're in there for a week, and they come out with a baby. That's because astrology is real, and if people know your birth chart, they can do magic and affect your life. - What? - They can find your vulnerabilities in which energies work with you and which ones don't, so don't let anybody know your actual data for your birth chart, because the elite don't, and that's because they know that other people who are in the know can use it against-- - Hey, everybody's birthdays online. It's like the number one thing you can find out about. So do you believe everything you read online? - Yeah, aren't you supposed? - Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, go ahead. - It's true, right? - Go ahead, and the queen might have a birthday, but I don't know if you'll find a birth time, and then I don't know if it's authentic either, 'cause you need a location, date, and time. Those are the components of a birth chart. If you don't have all three, the slot machine doesn't hit a jackpot. - Well, I heard the story about Nancy Reagan's astrologists. - Yeah. - Who taught her about the war on drugs? - Yes, I also heard that in World War II, Hitler had an astrologer that he would use to decide when to do a campaign, and then the allied forces got wind of this, and they thought it was just superstition. But they could also use that to, they don't have to believe it. They're like, oh, what would Hitler say about the right configuration? Oh, it's in February. Oh, he'll probably invade France in February. Let's get ready for that. So, there are games within games in ways that things can be used, but we're in a world where no one thinks this shit is real at all. It's not just about your sign. That's another thing where they degrade the art form. Down to, oh, it's your sign. - Right. Like, no, it's way deeper than the actual sign. And everyone should get it done. Spend a hundred bucks with a talented astrologer. It's fun. And then it'll probably blow your mind. - You got any recommendations for astrologers? - Well, Austin Copic is good, but also this guy, Dan Wates. He runs World Astrology Report. He's very good. So this guy was hitler, just. Astrologer Karl Ernst Kraft, died in 1945, Swiss Astrologer and mathematician who briefly became a prominent occult advisor in Nazi Germany. He's best known for his pre-cognitive warning of the 1939 Munich Beer Hall assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler. A feat that temporarily won him the favor of the Third Reich's publicate. He predicted that? Apparently, it's all in the stars. So another one, I can't even really pronounce your name, but Patre, Oh, Rudolf Hess. I know Rudolf Hess. Donnie taught me about that guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hess is a wild man. What was his story again? Well, Joseph Farrell wrote Hess in the Pinguins and it was about the Nazi Basin in Antarctica and they were doing studies on can people sustain themselves on Pinguin meat because they were going to be the living down there. So, Patre, Patre Tarcharts, I would say it's P-A-E-T-R-A. That's her first name. T-A-U-C-H-E-R-T. Hit rewind a few times to get it. She's really good. She's the one who most recently did it and she's who I'm probably gonna hire to do the birth charts for my kids. But Austin Copics Good, Dan Wates runs World Astrology Report on YouTube. He's doing really well. He does like world astrology. So he looks at the conditions of the cosmos in general and then predicts like, oh, the straight-of-her-moose crisis. Like that's reflected in the stars. Yeah. It's like a lot of stuff like that. The data center crisis. So we are the grand conjunction, which is like Saturn. I believe it's Saturn, Jupiter, and Neptune. This is not exactly my wheelhouse, but it moved from, it's in the same sign or it's in similar elemental signs for 200 years and it was in earth signs for 200 years and then it moved to an air sign in 2020. All, which is, so Saturn is power and Jupiter is like big power. So by the logic of astrology in 2020, methods of control should have moved from earth after 200 years to air. What would be air control? Drones, surveillance, COVID, COVID was airborne, wearing masks, saying I can't breathe, chance like that, kneeling on the neck, all major cultural events are air-based now. Surveillance and digital stuff, that's all air because it's like not physical. But the last 200 years was earth-based. So it's earth-based control. It's like physical concentration camps, bringing troops in, domination through force, through aggressive earth-based symbolism. So you can say, oh, that's a coincidence or, oh, that's bullshit, that's fine. Well, it comes after the air. Well, 200 years later, I haven't paid much attention 'cause I don't care that much, but there's something. We could probably look it up. But for the next 200 years, the story will be air-based control. And it's just written right there. It's so easy to quit. It requires a bit of a language. You have to understand the language of symbolism. But if you understand the language of symbolism, and you know that we're transitioning into an air energy with, and specifically Saturn, specifically control will be air-based. Is it basically the way to say it? And then you look at the world and look at things that are cultural events that involve control or stressing people out. Like I think you can fold in, you know, the "I Can't Breathe" guy who got choked out by the cops. Well, he got the knee on the neck. He didn't say "I Can't Breathe." I think that's Eric Garner. Oh, that was George Floyd. No, that was does. If you look up, "I Can't Breathe," I don't believe that George Floyd is the one who said that. Oh, I thought it was George Floyd. No, Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck for nine minutes or something. Right. But I think it was a different guy. And I think his name was Eric Garner who said, "I Can't Breathe." "I Can't Breathe." And then he was killed. Plus, he knew he got shot a bunch of times. There's so many of these things. There's so many. But I can't breathe. Oh, well, it was also the last plea of Eric Garner. Okay. Okay, got it. What I'm saying is it should be both, right? It's just a cultural touchstone that is based on air. I can't breathe. And then the COVID masks and then like drones and things in the air. Like all control is moving into technology, which is air. I just find it interesting. And this is one example. It might take 30 examples before your believer. But they're there. If you keep researching it and looking into it, it's bizarre and then you're like, well, why does it work? And nobody has an answer for why. Maybe it's because the planets are conscious and that their consciousness is a giant field and when they're closer or in different configurations, their energy affects us more. But why does it work for our individual lives? That's a little harder to work out. Maybe because life is a shared dream and you can't find the logic to every single little thing. It's not a material reality. So bizarre things just exist. Yeah, it's fucking wild. Life's more fun when you believe magic is real. It is more fun. And a lot of people think the elite are using magic. And instead of just, I guess that's the point. It's like instead of just obsessively trying to figure out what Marina Abramovic is doing, if you think the mechanisms of magic are real, then study them and how you can apply them. It doesn't have to be monopolized by the elite, just like energy and all the things we talked about. Yeah, like that thing I sent you yesterday with Peter Tiel's little sister society who was trying to put together with the psychedelic shaman and the psychedelic expert or whatever and all that stuff. It's like, yeah, it's like these people believe magic is real, but they don't want to say it out loud. They're certainly acting like that. Exactly. Even if you read the Epstein for Aut, I talked to Dean Raiden on this podcast. We did a virtual thing for Patreon and he was telling me how we talked to Epstein for 20 minutes on a Zoom call. And obviously he was asking him to explain, tell him stories about spoon bending and telekinesis and telepathic abilities for like 20 or 30 minutes on a Zoom call. It's like, why is this guy interested in this stuff? Does this thing be better to do? I saw Dean Raiden's name in the Epstein files and I'm so sad. I interviewed Dean too and I like his book, Magic is Real, is great. It's largely about prayer. It's not really about ceremonial magic. Ceremonial magic is a whole different thing. And his book is largely like, we had a monk pray over some plants and they grew better. Great, that is also real, but ceremonial magic and rituals that they do in the Masonic basement, those are a little different. Now, Randall Carlson would be like, I'm a free Mason, this stuff's bullshit. There's a lot of conspiracies online about it. Great man, networking is real and organizations that are hubs for networking, bad people, psychopaths can come in and network within those organizations and you would never know. So to say, I would not say free masonry equals evil, conspiracy people, but you should not say that it can't facilitate it 'cause it can. And it can be hijacked. It's like people hijacked religions for any purpose they will. Yeah, I think the story is that the authority shut down magic so the people who knew about it and wanted to preserve the texts and wanted to preserve the traditions, they went dark, they went into the secret societies, they became the night's templar and then power corrupts. And then they were like, hey, we should exploit this power that we have that we've preserved. And then they become exploitative and then skull and bones happens and then all that shit. Well, it's an interesting correlation how when the emperor and the church, they burned down the temple to a lucis, which was there for a thousand years before that. That's when we plummeted into the dark ages. Yeah, the Elisinian mysteries is the rabbit hole for sure. The hermetic texts, the corpus hermeticum, one of the big things. So I just, it's freshen my mind because I just interviewed someone about this, but the Medici, Medici, Medici, the banking family, the Medici's, I think. I read it all the time, I don't say it a lot, but one of the big banking families of Venice, when the patriarch got hold of the corpus hermeticum, he had his translator, stop what he was doing and work on that and translate it. And of course, it's attributed to Hermes Trismagestus, which is probably just a pseudonym. But what it was is basically three bodies of knowledge. The three bodies are astrology, alchemy, and theorgy. Theorgy is communicating with spirits. There's a segue, if you segue into any one of those three things being real, and my segue is probably partly theorgy and partly astrology, you have to assume that there's a reality and a truth to the other parts too, because powerful people put all the resources, banking families, who could have anything they want. They wanted this, and they wanted it translated for them. That's interesting to me. I want it too. Now we can translate our own shit, but Dan Wates, who's the astrologer, pointed basically that out, that this, it's just, what do we have to go on? It's like, what do we have to go on is, what do the elite do? The elite translate the corpus somedicum. Probably not as a hobby. They probably think it has real value. And that's the thing. I have books on my shelf at home that they would have tied my limbs to two horses and pulled me apart for walking around with these books, because the perception management operation is over. And everyone thinks it's bullshit. It isn't. Read some books. Yeah. Well, also, you know, the elites and those types of things. the folks that run the world, they also have a limited amount of free time and they don't have to answer to anybody. So is that something that's just natural when that happens to you or you just start to peek beyond the veil and look into alternative theories, because I know a lot of people that are wealthy that have no control over anything, and now that they have free time and ultimate freedom, they naturally just get into weird shit. There is an argument for that. So obviously that's not what was happening with Epstein. He was into some way, darker shit with all the people that he was connected to and looking into the NSA. And even the stuff I can draw Johnny talks about with him, trying to create some breakaway civilization in Antarctica and trying to do gene engineering, genetic engineering on people and stealing the hair of Nordic people at the Zoro Ranch, it's just insane. Ben Swan talked about cloning. I was listening to the Ben Swan interview, all of his driving, so I didn't catch every moment. But I heard him say cloning and I was like, wow, I didn't expect him to go there. But I don't remember what he said about cloning, what he said about that. I just heard him mention the word. I believe he was talking about Epstein, but it seems like cloning is easier than we think. That's what's crazy to me. I don't understand. So you can clone a sheep fine. But when you clone a person and you teach that person English and you can talk to that person and they have a consciousness like, are they the same as the other person or how similar are they? Is it just, does it not matter? Because it seems like the human body is just a vessel for consciousness, right? It's like a receiver. So maybe you can build a receiver and it still just catches a consciousness. But what if it, what if you can direct that? What if you can weaponize that? What if you can determine which consciousness is embodied within a body and cloning helps you to do that? What if, what if demons, if you clone consciousness? Yeah. What if you can clone, what if you can make a vessel specifically for a demon that you're in contact with? And then that demon manifests into our reality and looks exactly like a person. Why is there an Erika Kirk from the 1960s that was married to the governor of Florida and looks exactly like the current Erika Kirk? What? How do I not know about this? It's wild. There's an Erika Kirk from the 1960s, same name. And both of them married into the Kirk family. So both of them, their maiden names are not Kirk. We don't know. I don't know either of their maiden names, but there was a governor of Florida in the 60s and he was elected as a bachelor and he was something Kirk. And when he showed up at the governor's ball, he had arm candy. He was this lady. Her name is Erika. He married her. Erika Kirk, fast forward 40 years. There's another guy named Charlie Kirk who has an obscure background, no one knows much about. He's married to a woman that seems like a sham marriage. Her background is weird as fuck. She's trafficking kids in Romania, allegedly. I don't know. These are just the rumors. And her parents are an intelligence and her name's Erika. And she looks a lot like this other chick with the same name. And they both seem like they're given to men. Quad Kirk. Yes. So you can find pictures. That's not the best one, but you can find pictures where they look a lot more similar. I'm not necessarily saying that they're clones, but I'm just saying they have parallel lives. And that itself is interesting, whether they were created in a lab or created through conventional means, it just seems like there's a pipeline of attractive young women. Are there other photos of her, Steve? Definitely. Look, what did you scroll down? There you go. That's a pretty good one. I see a little Erika Kirk in that face. Look at those eyes. Look at those eyes. I found more of that one. Look at that one. Oh, far right. Oh, there's her with the baby on the very, oh, yeah, the one with her. The side by side. No, yeah. The one you were on a minute ago, blow that one up. Change the hairdo to a modern hairdo. I can see it. He looks like a fat Charlie, too. I'm just kidding. But I really think what happened to him, I don't know, but I just know that it just seems so strange that there's a pipeline of attractive women given to men who have moderate power. Mm-hmm. Charlie, governor of Florida, it's not real power in the grand scheme of things, but what is that? You know, why does Taylor Swift look just like the daughter of Anton Lavez? That's so crazy, dude. And she's, and then like, that's where magic comes in like, pull up Taylor Swift Anton Lavez daughter. And then Zena Lavez, Z-E-E-E-N-A, I believe. Dude, this is insane. Why do they look so similar? Do you see Jack Johnson? The musician? Yes. The guy who did the Kira's George theme song? The musician Jack Johnson. The fuck? The surfer musician. Or musician. He's called me both. I don't know. So, okay. I don't know this one. Look at that, bro. Right. With the lipstick. No, they'll go to the left. The color, yeah, that one. Oh, yeah. So, it's just interesting. It's a successful artist of our day, a dead ringer for this other person. Now type in Jack Johnson, Jeffrey Epstein. No. Dude, it is even more, even more dead on this. What about Palm Beach Pete? Yeah, that one. That's a funny one. Yeah. He's a goofball. I don't know what the story is. He said he met Epstein too, which is very weird. Yeah. I went to one of his parties, but I wasn't friends with him. I just was the same place as him once, and he happens to be rich with his own playing as well. Yeah, the big part of the conversation with Kurt was how so many of these people who become celebrities, they are completely mind-controlled and built from the ground up. Maybe it's cloning. Maybe it's ritual birds. That's the thing about ritual birds is, oh my God, I guess I forgot about it. Wow. So. You got to get a better picture. How much of the public figures we see are a complete fabrication? There's an image somewhere with a split of him and Jack Johnson with Epstein. You could also look at the 20 dollar bill, right? No. Look at the 20. Andrew Jackson looks exactly like Epstein, too. Really? You can find a 20 dollar bill where they've split the face Epstein and the 20 dollar bill, and it's a dead ringer as well. Look at that, bro. You stack up these examples and you start to wonder how much of our Hollywood celebrity culture is of complete fabrication. How much variation is there in the human genome? There's a lot of people that just look very similar to other people. That's true. You'll find these people on TikTok and shit where they go after example, after example. It's interesting. I don't know what to conclude about it, but you'll also find that a lot of these people, their backgrounds are weird, too. It's like, Erica Kirk is a great example. Her background is weird. She's a Mossade agent, right? That's the conclusion that we come up to. Come up with it. I don't know. I mean, she won a Trump pageant and then she becomes this Romanian angel chick and then she marries Charlie Kirk. They met in Israel. Yeah. They met in line for the Whaling Wall, she says. That's crazy. And this is her. Say, I'm not making it. It's like weird. It's just weird. It's weird. The weird stuff comes out and it's weird, right? The weird stuff comes out like podcasts, like yours and mine. And then a year to half later, it comes out in the New York Times. That's the thing. That's like the conspiracy theory and the truth with Alex Jones at a six months. Yeah. And how many of these people like Britney Spears, she's completely broken. Yeah. I think they put people through these rituals. A lot of them are passed around. You know, Rob Reiner recently, I think I always forget which one's the grandfather and which one's the father, but Rob Reiner is the one who is the son of Karl Reiner, I believe. Karl Reiner was famous in Hollywood. Rob Reiner also famous in Hollywood. His IMDB is fucking crazy. All of his movies were great in the 80s and 90s. His son just killed him and his wife. Now the official story is the son was just disturbed and he had some chemical imbalances and he was a drug addict. Well, why was he a drug addict? What happened in his childhood where he should have had everything that drove him to be a drug addict? I believe a lot of times people don't just become drug addicts. They're treating a trauma in their lives. And what's crazy, you can go to a roast of Karl of Rob Reiner that happened like a year or two before he died. In that roast, truth comes out and comedy, you know, Billy Crystal and Al Franken both get up there and they take the mic and they both tell really bizarre jokes about multi-generational incestimulation. Why? Billy Crystal says something to the effect of when Rob Reiner wants to come up with and wants to feel out his ideas for a movie. He climbs into bed and massages his son and says, "How do you feel about this cast in choice?" And everybody laughs. It's like, "Why?" And then this guy's kid, I mean throws his life away to slit both of his parents' throats. Something happened to that kid. Something definitely happened to that kid. And then all Hollywood knows and they joke about it. They laugh and joke about it and it's a sick world. And finally I've just divested from Hollywood and all that stuff because a lot of times boomers when you bring up some of this, like Karl Reiner and this Reiner family, boomers love them. And they're like, "No, no, no, no, no, it's like first off, why do you have such an emotional response? You don't know these fucking people?" And then, "Okay, what's your alternative? Just that the kid's crazy?" For some reason he was willing to throw his life away to get revenge on his parents. Some people are just crazy, but you look at all these shooters, these mass shooters. Yeah. They've got a checklist. Their backgrounds all have a checklist that are all very similar. Always when there's a shooting, first thing I do is I try to find, first you look at the early reports. The early reports are usually there were multiple shooters shooting us from all different angles. Then there's a drug-addled teenager left at the scene to be the patsy. Then you look at that kid and you look at who their parents were. Chances are one of them's involved in military intelligence and one of them's a psychologist. Chances are that's what happens or they're in some in like the Ivy League nexus. This is where I think they're crafting these people that become patsys and a lot of them have backgrounds where they were very studious like really high up high level thinkers and that makes me think about something gate program adjacent. Yeah. It's a say heard of the finders. The finders call it. Yeah. Oh, this is great. If you can actually play this clip here. We need the headphones to hear it. But what I respect most about Rob is his deep, almost suspicious love for kids and he freely gives them his time as money, whatever takes they get them into the van. But you know revenge. Two with works for kids, Rob has become a major, major, wonderful, political activist, which is a codename for unemployed movie director. He's now Mr. Inside Politics. You see him all over doing great things. He calls the president Bill, he calls the vice president Al and he calls dominoes five times a week because pizza joke is a very important thing to my friend, whenever his wife Michelle was pregnant, which is three times Rob would eat for two. Of all the meals he has and it's hard to tell when one stops and the next one begins because the most important meal to Rob Reiner is dinner because this man always had a dinner. When North was not accepted in some circles, like the earth's bra had a dinner when he decided and the ghost of Mississippi to make James Woods look even more like a reptile. Rob had a dinner when his box of shorts were declared federally protected wetlands. He had a bite, but we're not here tonight to make fun of his body. No. No. It's the honor of his body of work because both are too big to be ignored. As some of you admire Rob, of course, he's been a great, great comic actor. This was a 2000. You probably will, since you can read it, you might see the part where it talks about his dad climbing into bed with him. Does it tell you what time stamp that is? No. Even just the opening that you heard there. Yeah. I kind of forgot about that, but that's because Rob Reiner has a charity for kids. He has a charity to help children's education, and it's just like why? As I've grown up, it's way weirder to me to care about other people's kids. I'm not saying that we shouldn't care for underprivileged kids, but some celebrities, as Billy Crystal said, have a suspicious interest in other people's kids. I don't want to get too crazy here with something that has not talked about a whole lot, but Rain Wilson, Dwight from the office, you know, the office, right? Yeah, of course. He has a share. I never washed a lot of it. I'm trying to remember which one was Dwight, the nerd with the glasses. Okay. Got it. Great hair. He has a charity to help underprivileged female girls in Haiti, specifically. I believe it's Haiti. Third world somewhere. Why? Why are you concerned about that? Why not the kids in LA on Skid Row? It's just one of these things. As we learn about Erica Kirk, as we learn about international child trafficking and where some of these hot beds are where people aren't watching, and there's a lot of kids there. Why are some celebrities pouring money and see charity and foundations? We learned with the Rockefeller Foundation and the Clinton Foundation and the Gates Foundation, these are ways to exact power tax-free. They're not charities. They're using their money for power to achieve goals in almost every case. And I think it's a template that Rockefeller started and then he rolled it out to other people like the Clintons and the Gates. So the charity is like a smaller scale version of the same thing. Right. And what does every billionaire have to have a fucking big charity and pound their chest about donating to philanthropy? Yeah, because Rockefeller learned that you get good PR from the dumb idiot people who can't see past what you're doing. So it's a double win. You get to do what you want to do. It's triple win. You don't have to pay taxes on that income. It's a write-off for your donations to charity that you made and then you also get the PR. Think about how many people would stand in a plot if Bill Gates walked in the room. Well, like these things are so broken, dude, it is. If you're going to have plot, like we talked, we were going to talk about Brazil drip because it came up during dinner, great dinner conversation, cutting the faces off children. But Brazil drip is obviously old news. But I think I could add an extra bit of context to it. So Brazil drip is the video that was an Anthony Weiner's laptop. The video apparently shows Hillary Clinton and Huma Abidine Anthony Weiner's wife cutting the face off a young girl, putting the face on and saying like, it's just flesh. Where did this come from? Where did this theory come from? That was the video. It came from Anthony Weiner's laptop. Where did the idea come from? No, it came from it. We don't know for a fact. That's what the video was, right? That's true. Because we have where that report come from. Good question. It's just the lore at this point, but part of the lore is that nine cops who saw it end up committing a social story, like the official story of the, of the, of the face cut video. So I interviewed Dave Column the other day and he's like, yeah, the internet will try to dismiss those nine cops and say they're not real, but they are. Okay. Nine cops said that. Well, yeah. And he says he looked it up and that they have official dates of their death and they are real people with real names and that story checks out to him. Well, what I think is weird and it's a video, it's a image I sent your boy over here. Have you seen this hoodie that's Jay-Z and Ellen, both wear the first off, isn't it strange that Jay-Z and Ellen would even wear the same clothes at all? So we have this story that at least in one video, they cut the face off a girl and wear it. Well, this hoodie is basically that image of a bloody face as if if you, if you tried to draw a picture of a face, what's the terminology? The skull without a skin on it, you know, if you tried to draw that, it would look a lot like this hoodie. It's a very dark image. Why does Ellen wearing it? Why does her background look like Epstein's Island? Who knows? But her and Jay-Z both wear this hoodie, right? So this hoodie, it's also people say that the Wilson, Wilson, volleyball in Castaway, Red Handprint, they say that is a subtle illusion to this thing they do where they cut the faces off kids. Now, it goes deeper because Tom Hanks is often looped into this network in these conspiracy forums and stuff. He actually got out of Dodge. He left. When Pizza Gate was happening, he moved overseas. So I think and so did Ellen. I think they were a little worried that it could get serious for them. And so they left. It didn't and it won't, but, you know, they got a little cautious. So if you can pull up the picture that I sent via Dropbox, if I did send it, it's a montage and it is Jay-Z and Ellen in the same photo wearing the hoodie of the bloody face together or together. Yeah, together. And then Jay-Z went to, yeah, so that. If you listen to what Frazel Drip is supposed to be, it's basically that. Now, there's a one other image where they show. So during COVID, a lot of celebrities did facetimes and zooms from their home, right? It was common. Sometimes, things got revealed in people's backgrounds that they forgot were there. I believe it's Ben Stiller, but there is another image that Ben Stiller is on his computer zooming. And on his back wall is a framed photo that looks like that. And then Jay-Z went to a award show with a woman in a full red thing. I think I also sent that that. Okay. So what is that? Wilson. What is that dress about? I would like to know. Is that Lady Gaga? I don't know, but I would like to know what they're trying to communicate there because it looks like they're trying to communicate that they peel the skin off human beings. Are they trying to communicate? Is she trying to communicate something, or is that bitch just trying to get more attention? This is always going to be a question. But when you look at these photos altogether, is that Ben Stiller on the bottom right? Oh, yeah, look at Ben Stiller's picture. This is the same thing as the. - Wow. - Now, if people have this dark, satanic shit framed in their house, I'm sure they forget about it sometimes. And then they go on Zoom and it shows up in the background. Now, here's another thing. So you follow this rabbit hole a little deeper. - Yeah. - Those hoodies, an artist had to make that art, right? So that artist, his name is John Mischel Bazquat or something, he's actually, for black culture, they really don't like me talking shit on this guy. I've gotten a lot of shit for it because it's like, you don't understand art, you don't understand this guy's contribution. But let me just say this guy, so we're talking about the idea that they pluck people out of obscurity, they bring them into the dark network, they abuse them, and then they put them in a celebrity position, right? That's a template that seems to happen. - Okay. - This guy, John Mischel Bazquat, he's the guy who made that hoodie. At age seven, he was hit by a car and hospitalized. That's trauma. Parents divorced, mom went to a mental institution when he was 10 years old, ding, ding, ding. By age 11, Bazquat was fluent in French, Spanish, and English, and an avid reader of all three languages. - Who's teaching him? - His mom's in a mental institution. He ran away from home at 15. Why would you run away from home? If it's all gravy and you're learning all these fucking languages and you're just fucking having the best time, he runs away at 15. His father catches him smoking weed in his rooms, kicks him out. He sleeps on a park bench in Washington Square Park and was on LSD. His father spots him with a shaved head and calls the police and brings him home. He gets brought into the art world. He's in New York Times exhibits, S-square magazines covering him. The whole apparatus of the art world is like, "This guy is the next thing." He dated Madonna when he was 24 and 25. Now at 15, he's running away from home. His mom's in a mental institution. Something happens between 15 and 24 where he's now an international celebrity and he's dating Madonna. Now he's dead by 27. So Madonna's rise to fame starts in 1983 with her self-titled debut album. However, she captures started in '84 with her performance of "Like a Virgin" and she was dating him when she was at her peak. So how do we reverse, how do we work this out? To me, here's this troubled kid who is brought into the network, probably tossed around like a boy toy, probably Madonna's boy toy. No, he's getting passed around at orgies. He's doing the drugs and all this stuff. By 27, he's dead and Jay-Z spent $5 million on his painting. Now if you know anything about the art world, you get a guy like this to make a piece of art. It's nothing, scribbles on a paper. You take it to an appraiser who you know. The appraiser says, oh my God, this guy's a genius. This is worth $10 million. Then you take the artwork and you donate it to a museum at the price tag of $10 million. You get that right off? And then you get that right off. So to me, the same way, Cory Hame or Cory Feldman or Britney Spears or all these celebrities we know from these pop culture worlds who are broken people who were passed around and then exploited. I believe this guy, I don't think is a great artist, sorry. I think he was used in the same way. He was Madonna's boy toy. He was abused. And then he makes that fucking picture on the fucking hoodie. That's crazy. I didn't go trying to blast John Michael Basquit. I did not care. I wanted to know who made that hoodie and this is what I got. A broken kid who ended up dating Madonna, whose mom was put in a mental institution, who was dead at 27. That's what I found. So I'm sorry that he's a figure in black culture that people like. Here's another weird one. If you find a-- Dude, will this dude? I'm still trying to find the frazzle drip stuff. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It hurt me. I've seen a picture that was told was a frame from the video, just a frame, you know, a still shot. It broke me. You don't want to go deeper. You don't want to go deeper than 90%. I went too deep. I'm going to get choked up just because it's stuck in my head. Really? It's stucked up. It's not a game. They have pictures of this shit. Well, what I saw looked like a faceless little girl. And I was told when a person who presented it to me that this was a still shot from frazzle drip that they couldn't show me the whole thing. I don't want to see the whole fucking thing. Oh, dude. That is not it. That is not it. But I-- You can't show that on the podcast. Yeah, I'm not going to show it. Okay. That's not it. But I don't-- It just reminds me of it. But here's the thing. Like, are they psychopaths or not? I love this guy. This guy, the John Luke. That's quick. John Michael. The reason I'm saying look him up is because he had a very unique hairstyle. That is a weird, a weird thing with dreadlocks. What? So, Jay-Z's hairstyle now is quite weird, right? The weird dreadlocks thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same-- It's the guy's hair. It's the guy. Recently. That's--it's modeled after this guy who he bought a painting for $5 million. Who did the faceless art? I believe that he saw some shit and that they were like--they like to flaunt, you know, they like to brag. What? Uh, that is not him. What's his last name? It's Bazzquate. Bazz. It's in Boulder right here. Just get the spelling right. Oh, that's a--okay. It must be French. There it is right there. It just popped up, Steve. Bazzquate. All right. So, yeah, there's his bullshit art. It's nothing. Actually, his art's kind of cool, bro. It's not worth $5 million. That one on the top left is pretty badass. So is that one with the fucking alien in the crowd? If we had nothing else to do, we could do that. That's pretty sick. If we had nothing else to do, we could do it. So that's him. And that just-- That's him with fucking--is that--that's his name? That's his name. It's Andy Warhol. Andy Warhol. Yes. So, look, this is nothing. This is the general electric logo and some bullshit splattered on it. And they say it's worth $5 million because it's all money laundering. That's all art, though. That's all art. Well, it's money laundering. Hey, John Michael Bassquick, I think his shit is a lot better than Jackson Pollock. Well, yeah. You've seen Jackson Pollock's art splatter shit, the CIA used to fucking-- Yeah, so I was only interested because I wanted to know what the story was behind that hoodie. So this is the kid who was with the Madonna? Yes. Wow. And he was dead at 27. I think the whole thing is suspicious. And I believe that they like to flaunt their criminality. Let me see some more of his art. And so they hired him to draw that stuff, too. That's fucking sick. Well, a lot of this, if you were to go to trauma therapy and that's bad at-- Listen, if a psychologist was like, draw your traumas, it would look like this. Right. Steams. And so there's the Jay-Z hair. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly like Jay-Z's current hair. So Jay-Z thinks this dude is super cool and he wants to do the same kind of hair. He clearly wants to channel something about this guy. That's like so great. So great. There he is. Yeah. I mean, it's-- Maybe Jay-Z, he just admires us, dude. I mean, dude, his art is pretty dope. He does admire him because he drew the faceless kid for him. Right. But dude, I mean, I've seen some shits that just went a little bit too far and it became not-- it's not just provocative fun. Like if these people are actually killing and torturing children, we have to stop applauding them when they walk into a room. Right. It's not fun anymore. Like that's why I say sometimes conspiracy stuff is tabloid-y. When you really go down and you get super deep and you start becoming a public figure where people send you stuff off the record, I mean, I'm a little broken by some of the stuff I've seen. Yeah. Especially having kids. It would affect me that way and then when you see it, you just changed. It makes me realize, I believe nine cops would have killed themselves if they saw the full video. I also believe that there'd be a cleanup crew, too, that killed anyone who watched it. Right. And so, how did that video happen? Well, the theory is that-- I don't know if that happened at Comet Ping-Pong. Some people try to say it did. But there are-- That's what I was at. There was actually a basement there. There were places that are rigged with cameras and then they get people to do nasty shit. There's a magical element to it and there's a blackmail element to it as well. The blackmail element is obviously huge. Epstein is just one of many. What was Hugh Hefner's deal? Hugh Hefner had a mansion where people party and if you watch like that reality show that those girls did, they would say, "Oh, heff filmed everything." And he had a whole bookcase of VHS's in his office. Yeah. Why? VHS's of, "Did he work for the CIA and this is all a big honeypot? What about Diddy Parties?" I wonder if Hefner was in the Epstein files? I think I've looked. I'd be shocked if he wasn't. Yeah. I think I have looked. He was Jewish, I believe. And this is an element that comes up time and time again. Hey. Henry Ford. Don't shoot me. Don't kill them. Not the jury. Not the Henry Ford about that. But yeah, I think that if you look at Nick Bryant's stuff and Franklin's scandal, it's always these-- Yeah. Not in the Epstein files. It's always these mansions that are party places with underage girls and drugs and cameras in the walls. In the 60s and 70s, a lot of artists spoke out about Vietnam and this and that. Nobody speaks out anymore. Everybody toes the corporate line because they're all getting stuff three ways of Sunday at these parties and the videos are all over. You know, when the tape murders happened, when Charles Manson's cronies went and killed share and take the the. a cop said they found celebrity porn in the house. Celebrity porn. - Really? - Celebrity porn. - I never heard this. Yeah, it's obscure. But celebrity porn, to me, is code for like that kind of material, blackmail material. They're also, it's weird about that is, again, with the parafictions. - Oh, was this Roman Plansky's tapes or something? Was this connected to Roman Plansky? - Apparently he directed this, actually. - He directed the plot for this and all that. - But Rosemary's Baby, the movie he made, actually mirrors Sharon Tade's life quite a bit. The movie, as you know, is about, a woman who wants to be an actress, so she gets involved with a satanic cult, and I think gives up her baby or something, or pledges her baby to the thing. Well, was she pregnant? Was Sharon Tade pregnant when she was killed? I think so. I could be mixing stories, but I'm pretty sure. But here's some weird satanic psychos who break in and kill her. I think there's a much deeper story there, and I don't even care about Charles Manson. I think he's just an MKL Trid, whatever, whatever. They put him in the music industry for a while. He was too crazy for that. - Beach boys. - Beach boys, yeah. So I'm way more interested in-- - Yeah, he was joking. He knew she was pregnant. - Oh, well, no, I was kind of, you know, stone or mine, I could be, but yeah, she was. - Yeah. - I'm way more interested in what was going on in that house, and then if you look at the celebrities and artists who have purchased the house and they bought it-- - Marilyn Manson bought it with Trent Resner, and they recorded an album in there. - Nine-inch nails? I believe nine-inch nails Trent Resner is another guy who has an obscure charity that I'd be curious about. It's crazy, these are the things I look for. I don't know anything. I'm on the outside, and I don't want to overspeculate, but time and time again, celebrities with broken brains have weird backgrounds. They're probably passed around. A lot of 'em are Disney kids. Then you have the weird charities. I mean, I want to know how deep it goes. How bad the cesspool is, how far and wide it is. 'Cause it seems like it's all of Hollywood and most of the music industry, and the people who are running point are the agencies. The agencies, they bet on these kids like stocks. They're like, what percentage can I get when they have nothing? Oh, I'll give you 20%. Oh, great. Well, Christina Aguilar was only gonna give me 10%. So I'll take Britney Spears' 20%, and I'll use all my resources to make her a celebrity, and we'll be fucking her on the weekends, and then her brain'll break, and then we'll get control of the estate, and get her out of there. - Right. - That's, I think the game is largely that. I mean, Oliver Tree. Oliver Tree just went down. That story's interesting because helicopter crash exactly 333 weeks to the day of Kobe's crash shop. It's just what it is. I verified it myself 'cause I saw this on TikTok. I was like, no way. I went to the, you can find the calculator. Online you can find calculators between two dates. Came up exactly 333 weeks to the day. His last message was about how his contract with Atlantic records has fallen apart. If you look up the list, again, this I didn't verify, but if you look up the list of artists who have died who were under Atlantic records, there's like five or six highly suspicious deaths. - Yeah, I was just watching something the other day about how Michael Jackson warned how they were gonna try to kill him many, many times. He even speculated exactly how they would do it. - Michael Jackson is still a mystery to me. Like, was he a peto or not? I honestly don't know. Because I could see the industry destroying him. - Yeah. - But then I could also see cycles of abuse being true. Some people think he was castrated to keep his voice high. - Yeah, I heard that. - And so he couldn't really do much. You could still diddle kids just 'cause your junk is fucked up. You could still do an appropriate shit with kids. And they say that McCulley Culkin was the one who lied. McCulley Culkin was the one who was willing to lie. And so thus, he was rewarded with a series of movies from home alone all the way up to getting even with dad. Timeless classic. - He was saying that he was never abused. - Yeah, I believe he said he had something didn't happen and he was the one they paraded out. And then of course, he gets rewarded by the system. It's so sick and dark. I don't know where it ends. - Wow. It is deep, bro. It is fucked. I don't think I've ever been exposed to this much craziness in a fucking podcast. You gave Sam Tripoli a run for his money, dude. That's Sam Sum, that's Sam Sum. Well, you know, I've been in the game a long time. I came prepared with notes and I've talked to everybody who's worth anything for the most part. I mean, a lot of them are dead too. Jim Mars was great. There's weird stuff about Scientology with him, but Jim Mars nerd him. - He was like a conspiracy grandpa, big white beard, kind of Santa archetype. He actually was like John Hammond from Jurassic Park. - Oh really? - He wrote some amazing books. I interviewed him a few times. He just died of old age. But the fact that I started this when I did, I've got a lot of stuff in that archive that is hard to get out because it is audio only. No one shares an audio clip. People share video clips. That's why I had to convert to video partly. But, you know, go comb the archive. You'll find some wild and crazy stuff. - Dude, your library is vast. - It is incredible. There's so much stuff in there to dig through. - You're last 15 years. - You're giving me a run for my money. - And how many Tracy Twineman interviews did you do? - I would say five. But they're all two hours. So, you know, 10 hours of her going over all her research. I worked best from a book. You know, I don't have a lot of podcasters on, you know, I become friends with people like Sam and stuff. And I have them on, but I worked best from a book 'cause I like to know that if there's any pause in the conversation, any silence, I can fill it by going to a quote from the book. - Oh. - And for 15 years, I've read every book that might-- - Really? - So, not every book a person is written. But every time their latest work. - Right, right, right. - Every time I've read at least the latest books that they're under for. - How do you read them? - You read them like physical books. - Back then, yeah. I mean, now it's nice to have a little assistance with, well, I don't do audiobooks, but I do Kindle where I highlight things, and then I take the highlights, and they become my outline. - You can get export them or whatever. - Yeah, but back in the day, my wife watched me come home from GameStop. I have a book here and I'm handwriting quotes. - And that would be my outline. - Wow. - I used to sell my outlines on, signed outlines on Ebene too. - It must be a good reader. I can't read that fast, bro. It takes me like a month or three to book. - Yeah, it's important. - My, my ACT's or whatever. - It takes me two hours to watch 60 minutes. - I like it. Reading comprehension was off the charts and science and math were both dog shit. And it's the only way I got into college with an ACT score of 25. Because, you know, the ones part was good. So I leaned in. Again, the astrology. Apparently I'm good at this one thing. We don't all have to be well-rounded. Lean into what you're good at, monetize it. But I read every book. So what was great about my show is I get, was, it's not over. But I would find the craziest things people say in their book. And I'd be like on page 43, you said this thing about how you once had this experience with an entity. And then you kind of just like went past it. Can you elaborate on that? And sometimes people are like, wow, I didn't expect this to come up. And then they will elaborate, you know? So I think I got some good interviews by using that process and method. But it's a fun job. They are fantastic. And for anyone just learning about Greg's show, I highly recommend the Tracy Twymand ones. If you want to learn about some lady communicating with fucking cane over a Ouija board, I mean, it doesn't get any more while than that, bro. That's not that fucking sent me. Well, you know, then it scales up to the anal birth of their monculus as you know. Right. Yes, the anal birth of them. I just can't forget about that. I just try to be open-minded. I try to be pretty neutral. I don't know what to make. I'm on the outside looking in. But the curiosity has led to some really interesting and dark places. And the other thing I did, you know, a lot of people's podcasts, it'll just be one big crazy list of shows because that's what an RSS feed is. I built out like a Netflix style display into the website. So if you go to the website, no one goes to websites anymore. It's always like the YouTube channel or the Spotify channel or the Patreon. Go to the fucking website. And like the old internet was supposed to be before middleman got involved. But I have structured it so that there's categories as if you're scrolling genres on Netflix. And so you can go into what you're interested in. And there'll be shows. And a lot of them are timeless. They might be six years old, but I don't do a lot of current events. So if I interview a guy about grimoire magic in an old English grimoire magic, that's kind of evergreen. Yeah. So, you know, it's all there. That's cool, bro. Well, we'll link everything below from your website, to your YouTube, everything else. Anything else that we're missing? I wish you'd tell people. No, check out the Gordon White ones 'cause he's so great. And he's been on more than anyone else. And the Chris Knowles ones. Chris Knowles is another really good buddy. He's very out there. I gotta go take a walk after this podcast, bro. Me too, me too. All right, well, thanks again, bro. That was fucking amazing. Everything's linked below. Good night, folks. We have Patreon questions. Oh, yeah. We have time. All right. You got time to do some Patreon questions? I have time, yeah. Let's do it. Cool. All righty. All righty.