#411 - “MK-Ultra Victim” Garth Brooks is NOT Who You Think | Matt Cox

Olen Shannon Maldonado, käsintehtyjä artesaanitua teitä myyvän jauiilahjakaupan perustaja. Valitsin Shopify, koska alustoja testatessani totesin sen ehdottomasti yhdeksi helpokäyttöisimmistä alustoista. Minulla oli tärkeää pohtia kehittymistämme tulevaisuudessa. Kaikki myyntiin tarvittavat työkalut, kuten varaston suunnittelu ovat kätevästi dashboardissä. Aloita ilmainen kokeilu Shopify piste komsi vustolla. Happy birthday, Matt Cox! Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday, buddy! Make a wish! It's not going, right? Are we on? We're rolling! I got to make sure my hat's. We're rolling, kid! All right. How old are you? Old bro. It's bad. Some 57. 57. Is that officially boomerage? I don't. I think you're on the borderline of boomer. No, I'm not. You're not quite boomer. You might be Gen X. What is it? Why? I'm tilting this, but it's pulling on here. Is it you want it pulling on that? No, you can unlatch it. Yeah. I don't think I like that. Bullying, I don't want you to. How you been? I've been great. Very happy. What is this? Is this a sponsor? Yeah. Are they good? They're great. Oh, cool. I don't like peach. I don't like anything peach. I do like. I do like lemon. Yes. No, is that lemon? I like strawberry. No, I like lemon. I don't have any strawberry. No. Strawberry lemon? No, raspberry lemonade. Oh, that sounds like a good combo. Not as good as a nice cold cocoa cola. No, that's the best. And of course, I was interviewed Ryan Root. Remember Ryan Root? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's got a whole war against sugar. I had to listen to a whole thing about sugar. And now it's killing us. While I'm eating, while I'm drinking one root beer after another, I had like two root beers and a cherry coke. And I'm like, right, it's horrible. It's horrible. I don't drink in the fucking. I'm like, you mean like this? He's like, yeah, it's horrible for you. I was like, yeah, I know. I feel horrible. Drink on the whole thing. Well, you better make a wish and blow out your candles before those candles disintegrate. Yeah, let me think about this. Yeah, what are you gonna wish for? I need my step-daughters YouTube channel. She started a true crime YouTube channel where she just re. She does like 30, 45-minute things where she talks about Jeffrey Thomas or whoever. And she put out three a week. I need it monetized. She's got like a thousand, over a thousand subscribers. She just needs to get monetized. I really need that to happen. Because everything else in my life is amazing. That's nice. So that's it. That's all I need. We're something for someone else. Very nice of you. I did that. Yeah. No, really, it's me. I'd like to get her off the bed. That is really. Oh, yeah. It's really mindfully for me. I need to get her off the bed right now. All right. Oh, damn it. Almost had it. You almost had it. Sorry, Mercheli. Whoa. What are you going to pinch it with your fingers? I was going to psycho pass. I mean, I'm not that gutsy. I know. That's a tough guy thing. Bottoms up. You got to eat that whole cake now. I can do that. You think you could eat that whole thing? No, I'm not eating the whole thing. You could definitely eat it. I mean, I probably could. I'm on ozempik. It's a small cake. Ozzepik. Oh, fuck yeah. I've lost 15 pounds. What? Yeah. No. Great. When did you get on that? A month ago. Last time I talked to you, were you on it? I think I might have been, but it wasn't working. I was on. I'm not on ozempik. I'm on whatever the off brand is that there's some other version. Is it Reda? No, Jess knows. Okay. I know, I mean. It's a GLP one, though. Same doesn't it. Yeah, same thing, but this one works. Ozempik. I had acid reflux and it just wasn't working. This one works. Are you still on the gas? The gas. What's the gas? The test. Oh, yeah. Of course. Okay. How's that going? That's great. Except I haven't been able to work out lately because I've just been going nonstop. You're just not hungry. We first talked. You first got on it. You were super hungry. That's what I'm saying. I got on that. I gained 20 pounds. Right. And now with the ozempik, it's great. You're not hungry anymore. No. So listen, I went from 170 up to 95 pounds because of the test. It just made me hungry all the time. And then, so then I lost like, I was like, okay, this is getting too much. So I tried to lose weight. I lost like 10 pounds. But I'm still hungry all the time. So then I got on whatever the name of it is. Anyway. And then I lost an extra 15 pounds probably in the last. I don't know. Month and a half. Month about that a half. You hopped on the bandwagon. I mean, one of my closest buddies on the ozempik. I feel horrible. I feel bad about it. I feel bad about it. It looks like a melted candle. Yeah. I'm taking my hat off. I don't have to wear the hat. You take it off. Show off that hairline. Magnificent hairline. That is not the hairline of a 57-year-old. I'll tell you that right now. Oh my gosh. I heard also that the the gelp1 kind of like reduced your overall desire to do things. Like not just eat, but any sort of like general desire, even like sexual desire and things like that. Yeah. I would say that's part of it. That's unfortunate. I know. I know. That and remedy that. I don't know. I'm so motivated. You know, here's the thing. I would motivation. Well, first of all, the test. It's kind of like they're fighting each other. Yeah. You just got to win. When that feeling hits you. You know what I mean? You got to just grab them and throw them over your shoulder. I just grabbed Jess throw over my shoulder and walk upstairs. Whether she's ready for it or not, you know. Right. It's just part of that. She worried about like the long-term side effects of that kind of stuff or you're just in for a good time, not a long time. Yeah. I mean, I'm 57. Anything that happens. It's like I flip my life. I'm good. Things go bad. It is. I expected to go bad. I didn't think it'd make it this long. It's beautiful to see a story like yours. A guy that goes from the ultimate top of the world running around and driving around in Ferraris, stealing millions of dollars from banks, living large, traveling the globe on the run to federal prison for how many years, 12 years, 13 years, bottom, come out of federal prison. You're in here with no fucking money. I'm giving you $1,000 for Christmas. You can afford Christmas. Oh, it's so exciting. And now he just nailed it. He's got $1,000 back of money. No, he's just, it was like a money order. He made like $1,000 check one time. And now you're rich again. It's beautiful thing. It's the American dream. I'm doing okay. It's not get crazy. That's why I didn't buy you a birthday gift because there's nothing that I could buy you that you couldn't already buy yourself. So I figured a cake would do the job. Yeah. Yeah. Just didn't get me a cake. I didn't get a cake from Jess. Not he Jess. No, not yet. Maybe tonight. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It's good times. Good times. So what's been going on? How's life treating you? How's the podcast? I mean, the podcast is good. Do you ever feel like, well, we've had this conversation. You kind of sometimes you hit a plateau. That's how I feel. Like I feel like I hit a, we've hit a, we've hit, we'll hit a semi plateau for a month or so. And then bam. It'll start doing great again. And then you hit in a little plateau. And so right now I feel like we're kind of hitting, we've hit a plateau. Over the last month or so. And then, but like a month and a half ago, we were, when you say, are you talking in terms of like views, like views, like everything's getting between right around 100,000 views and you're like, you know, maybe 80,000 some are on average around 100,000, you're like, and then and they're like, okay, well, I mean, the last six videos or eight videos are all roughly 100,000. You're like, okay, that's it. Like that. And it's a plateau. Bam, you'll have something that hits like 250,000. And then the next one's like 180,000 and then the next, you're like, oh wow. So everything starts to go up again. And then you still thinking about that with all the podcasts that you do every week? Yeah. I still watch the numbers. Really? Yeah. I feel like once we started doing two episodes a week, I just didn't have time or energy to pay attention to that as much. I kind of paid attention. You know, I kind of like, if we have one that doesn't do a ton of views, I'm like, okay, great. Whatever. We got another one coming out in two days. I'm not saying that it's keeping me up at night, but I am mindful of it. For instance, we were, we were, we were at one point, we were getting just on average. It was just an average month was 30,000 new subscribers a month. It was like 1,000 a day and that was going on for months and months. So you get used to it. And then when it drops down and suddenly it's 15 or 20,000, you're like, what's going on? Like I might have to sell my car. What's happening? It's total panic. And then, you know, like right now I think it's worth 20, 24,000 subscribers a month. And it's like, you know, when really they sit three years ago, if I'd gotten 24,000 subscribers in a month, I would be like, I would be on top of the world. And now it's, you know, who keeps me level headed is Colby. I'll complain about something and Colby will walk over, he'll play with his phone for a minute, he'll walk over and he'll go, that's what the numbers were a year ago. And I'm like, okay, never mind. Good job, Colby. You know, like, you know, so I, I have to constantly tell myself, stop looking at months by month, look at it annually. Yeah, 100%. It's easy to get stuck in that rat race mentality, you know, where you're just trying to like constantly compete with yourself and beat the following week, the following month, the following year, when it's just like, well, I'm also zoom out, look at the big picture. It's great. I'm also constantly trying to do more and more, which is stupid because I'm always like, I'm so busy. I need to, you know, when things calm down, I'll be able to work out more and I'll do this and this. And Jess is like, it's never gonna calm. You know, it's never going to settle down. She's like, you keep throwing on more and more stuff to do. And I do, I do, and I really need to stop. You know what I'm saying? You know, you know, you don't even feel like that? Like, you're just constantly taking on more. I've got 10 projects right now. Yeah. I'll be lucky if two of them ever make 10 projects. No, see, I'm not that ambitious. I do this podcast and the rest of them, I don't do any other, any other work. Like, this is my only work right here. I'm not interested in, in, you know, making any money on crypto or starting any side projects or, you know, making documentaries or selling, you know, maybe we'll do some merch. I think we're working on some merch and, you know, dealing, you know, do cool stuff for our Patreon community and stuff like that. But like other than, you know, side projects and side channels and all that kind of crap. Yeah. I just stick out my energy into this and then the rest of it's like my kids and my wife. Yeah. Well, I'm not like you. No, I'm, I'm trying to, I've got the second channel going. We're about to possibly start two more channels. We're renting another unit so we can build out three more podcasts. Yeah. And this is all Colby, really, because the truth is, is that 57 years old, what happens in five years, even though when I say this, Jess and Colby like rolled their eyes, I think in, in five, in five years from now or six years from now, like, nobody wants to watch a 64 year old man, you know, it's very possible that nobody is in Joe Rogan in his sixties. Yeah. Is he? Well, I mean, listen, he's also in way better shape than me. But I'm just saying in general, you're not far away. What can you get to his level? I'm saying in general, what if, you know, like, what if something happens? What if I have a stroke? What if it'd be great to have multiple channels with other hosts that can kind of take over that whole thing? And I can, I could retire, not that I want to retire, because I feel like the moment you retire, you, you're just headed straight for the grave. Like, the longer you can work, the better off you are. Yeah. And I want to, but I also think, and you don't know what's going to happen. So those are projects I want to do and that we're working on. And then like, I'll get, I got a phone call from a sheriff who's running a program, like a reentry program for a bunch of inmates. Some, some state inmates, some local inmates, right? But all these guys have been locked up for years. One guy, they're like up 20 years, another guy, you know, five years. This guy's 11 years. They were like 20 of them. And this was in Utah. And so I flew out to Utah. I talked to him for two hours, got on a plane and flew back. You know, just because he called and I thought that'd be cool. And he was like, you know, you can, well, I'll take you to prison. And he's like, it was so funny too, because he felt like I was doing him this huge favor. I just thought it was the coolest fucking thing ever. I got to go in and talk to these guys. It was like, it was so cool. And you know, and got to tell him like, you know, like, look, you can get out. Like it's going to suck. Like I'm not going to, I'm not going to make it sound like, oh, you get out and you'll do great. You know, and it's going to be easy. Oh, no, it sucks. I explained the whole thing and I look at sucks. Like you're going to expect people are going to give you a hard time. You're going to have to apply for a bunch of jobs. You'll probably have to work at McDonald's. I gave my whole spiel to about when I got out. I actually wanted, you've heard this. I wanted to work at McDonald's. I thought that would be cool, even if it was just for a few weeks or a few months, I thought that's like to me such an entry position. You know, I'm saying, like a cleansing, right? Like this is where you're still like in that way in two years from now, if you're kicking ass, somebody's complaining. So bros live in a rooming house working at McDonald's two years ago. It's a great argument to throw at somebody. Yes. I worked at McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah. Straight out of prison. So I don't want to hear how bad things are for you. But I didn't end it at working at a gym. But even at the gym, I'm still cleaning toilets. I'm still mopping floors. I'm still wiping down equipment, you know, but it was. I didn't say it hooky that day into my podcast, right? Yes. But it didn't. It wasn't as good. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't as good as McDonald's. McDonald's would have been better. Burger King or McDonald's. That would have been the best. You're slipping on the floor of grease instead of sweat. Yeah, but people, people romanticized working at a gym. They think it's cool. Like if you're young, you're like, oh, that's kind of cool, bro. You can work out a gym. You look at to work out. And now I'm cleaning toilets. I'm, I'm cleaning showers. And anyway, yeah. So, but anyway, I talked to these guys about that. That was super cool. So yeah, these guys were currently incarcerated. I went inside the prison. No, I mean, like one guy did 20 something years. He murdered somebody. Oh, my God. These were all serious guys. Oh, wait. What do you got? Like a pictures. Oh, you got pictures of them. Yeah, look, you're going to be like, you're going to go. Holy jeet. Look at how these are some hard looking mother fuckers, bro. What state was it again? Um, it was you tall. That's just the guys that we're running it here. Here's all the. Yeah. This is it. Let's see. Yeah. This happened recently. Yeah, probably this is a few weeks ago. Oh, wow. Yeah, look at all these guys. Yeah. So do these guys know you from YouTube? Yeah, I'd say half the guys there were like, when I start talking, one of the guys was like, Hey, I've seen you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen you yours. You do you interview guys. And one guy goes, were you in the middle of it? He like, he said, he goes like this. And I was like, yeah, what's up? He goes, were you on American greed? And I went, yeah, he's, I remember that. Holy cow. Look at this. I missed the Stevens. We can put it up. You got Stevens number. Yeah. So text out the steam. That's wild, bro. So these guys have YouTube and prison. Um, I don't know if they saw it in prison, but they knew who I was. I didn't ask him. Which guy was the guy with the neck tattoo is the one who murdered somebody? Yeah, they both had neck tattoo. They both. Oh, multiple guys were in there for murder. I don't know. I didn't go around, but I mean, they all, listen, they'd all been there. One guy, four years, one guy, 20 years, one guy, you know, 11 years, 12 years. These are state inmates. I mean, this is, they had, like, and he told me, he said, then they've all got serious. This wasn't a federal person. No, this is state. These are serious. And I thought, well, I'm going to a detention center, basically a jail. It's a jail. And I was like, what's a jail? And he said, yeah, but some of these guys have been here three, four years. He's in half of them. We contract the state, because if you're the state facilities get full, then they'll pay the local jails to house these guys. He said, so most a lot, half these guys are state inmates who've been here for seven years, eight years, 11, and they still have a couple of years to go. So what's amazing, Matt Cox? It's fun. Do you agree for the community? I love it. See, and you're putting a spin on it. I think it was just, I just had fun. And you got, is that your new Trump watch that it is? My new Trump watch. Tell me about your new Trump watch. He got you. They got me. I was watching. Actually, you ordered this on on off of the television. No. Was this was this on the Mark Levin show? You got this? You did have like a sale or something? What are you doing? I'm still trying to long to send a text. It did because I kept saying typing in Steve. My God, he really is 57. All right. So, no. So what happened was I was on Instagram one morning. I'm going. Yeah. And I see this watch and I thought, oh, I like that. And it was $409. And I went, I spent in $400, $500 on watch and kept going. Oh, and then I saw it was a Trump watch. I was like, ah, it's funny because he dealt these little things. I was like, okay. I'm being quite in bed. My wife's sleeping. I keep going. And then later on that day, I see it again. And I'm like, I'm not spending $500 on a fucking phone. They re-targeted your ass. And then they hit me up with a sale, $249. And I went, $249. And I said, $250, baby. I'm buying. I've got to have it for $259. So I buy it. And as I'm hitting the button to buy it, I thought to myself, this fucking guy probably had this thing made for $12.50. And then tariffed me for another from China. And then hit me for another six or eight bucks for the tariff. He's probably got less than $20 into this watch. And I'm just going, and now he just got me for to something. Look at these guys. Look at the one guy. Look at the Mexican dude on the right here. That guy. Yeah, that guy screams cigar at That's the Kariya, right? Oh, yeah. That guy has killed some people. That guy has trafficked some human beings across the southern border for sure. That dude's second to the left though, he looks interesting. I wonder what that guy did. That Indian looking dude, the bald guy. Second to the, oh yeah, yeah, that's, I feel like. Yeah, I feel like that's, he screams fraud to me. Yeah, white collar crime. One of the guy, I don't know if it's got on the left or the right for me. One of them had apparently his stepdaughter or daughter had been supposedly attacked or, you know, say, let's say assaulted. Okay. And he hunted the guy down and supposedly beat him to death or killed him or something. And he ended up getting like 25 years or something. 30 years. And he's done like 20 or something. I forget exactly what this story I was just like, okay. For getting revenge for someone who fucking beat up his daughter. Well, I think it was more than that. But yeah, I think it was more than beat up. So that was kind of the story. You know, but here's the thing. Who knows what the story, you know, the story you tell the other and make and what really happened. Exactly. Could have been a drug debt for all, for all you really know, but I, I don't know. Yeah, they could have just been some fucking story that he cooked up with this lawyer, right? I have to look it up. Oh, another guy. What was the other guy? 'Cause one of the guys I looked up, what did he done? He basically been in and out of prison over and over again and he killed like a police dog. Like the cops were chasing him and they said, stuck the dog or they let the dog go on him and I think he shot the dog and killed the dog and they didn't find that cute at all. Oh, they gave him time for killing the dog. Absolutely. Really a police dog? A police dog has rights. They treated just like a human. Yeah, a lot. They'll try and do that. A lot of times they'll charge you like a police officer, but the courts have ended up saying, well, you can't do that, but you'll get a lot of, so you'll still get a chunk of time for a police dog. And he obviously got the chunk of time. I've never understood that 'cause a dog, like a regular police officer doesn't go around biting people, so. Right. Should be for your least dogs attacking you and you're like, pull out your fucking knife and stab it a couple of times. Like, I still don't like the idea of killing a dog, but yeah. You can at least, you know, I agree. I don't know like the idea of killing a dog either, but if you're being assaulted by a human being cop, at least you can submit and they'll, in theory, stop trying to kill you. The dog's not going to do that, right? You can say, okay, I give up, I give up. Yeah, he's also going to bite you. Yeah, he's still going to bite the shit out of you. 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And I think it was like the New York Times article said, it was like 50-something people who made $10 million plus off of it. But almost a million people who lost money. - I'm sure. - And he made $1.6 billion. And it was explaining how his, both of his kids, Trump and Trump Jr. Trump made more than $1 billion in crypto first year back. That's a great year. - It's funny, because he made his total, I believe the year before this, he made, or his last year in office, he made like $600 million or something like this. And this is $1.6 billion off this crypto thing. And apparently what he did was right before he launched it, he made a deal with the UAE where he gave them an opportunity to buy in for like 49% of it for like a ton of fucking money right before. So I mean, he's just, he's just milking this cow for all its worth. And his two kids, Trump and Trump, Don Jr. and Eric Trump are, find out what the story was with them. There was a big thing where they were doing something in Southeast Asia, some sort of mining. They were involved in some crazy mining operations that they bought into in Southeast Asia where they're just raking. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that makes the Hunter, Biden, Burisma shit and the Ukraine look like fucking child's play. You know, it's just, it's fucking crazy how much money these guys are raking in right now. - America. - Yeah. (laughs) - Watches, mining, fucking meme coins, you name it. - No, it'll all come out, you know, it'll all come out. - It'll all come out, at some point at all, at some point I think most of the stuff that you do kind of people trash. - Trump cut a billion dollar mining deal, his son's stand to profit. Okay, the agreement is between the US and, 'cause Kazakhstan has given a group of American investors with ties to the president and commerce secretary. Oh yeah, Howard Lutnik is in on this too. Access to one of the world's largest untapped reserves of tungsten. When the commerce, fucking Howard Lutnik, the guy, the fact that this guy still has a fucking job is just a disgrace after all the Epstein shit that came out with him. Like this guy is like fucking scum of the earth and he's still the commerce secretary. Howard Lutnik met with Kazakhstan's president St. Regis Hotel last September in New York, President Trump jumped in by phone as the men sealed a deal on a top priority for Washington during the call, Trump and his team won an agreement from the Kazakh leader to give little known American company access to one of the world's largest untapped reserves of tungsten. That mineral, the metal that the US desperately needs for the production of missile warheads, fighter jets, computer chips, and other critical goods. The head of the deal, the Trump administration approved preliminary applications for as much as 1.6 billion in federal financing for the American company. Yeah. They're backing up the truck straight to the fucking, straight to the front doors of the bank. I mean, open the fucking vault. Sounds like a good deal for America. You don't just go to the cash register. He's going for the fucking vault. We need that stuff. Yeah. Sounds like we need that stuff. Of course we need it. You know, it's funny. I interviewed a guy the other day and the whole time he was going on and on about MLMs, multi-level marketing, yeah. Right. And he was kind of bashing Patrick that David, of course, that value, that value, that value. Yeah, Patrick that David. Yeah, Patrick. He's bashing him. He's bashing all these companies. And it was just like, I get it. It seems kind of like it can be sleazy kind of, but it's legal. I get it because you kept trying to refer to it as what's a pyramid scheme? It's a pyramid. I'm like, but it's not a pyramid scheme because of this, because of the a pyramid scheme is illegal and what they're doing is not illegal. And so it's like, it's basically the same thing minor tweaking. Yeah, they tweak it. They tweak it to make it legal. Without it out, they're tweaking it. They're they're working the system. The system says, if you do it, if you do it this way, it's not exactly illegal. Right. So I'll do it that way. And then people get upset because they get sucked in and then they lose money. And it does bother me when you run something. One of these things, I'm not going to say it's a scam, but when you run an MLM and then somebody, people buy in and then they don't do well. And then when they blame it on them, what's cause you're not doing it right? Cause you suck, cause you're a horrible salesperson, you know, I don't like that. And wrapping themselves in victimhood. Right, but I keep, I kept going back to, but it's legal. Like he was really pushing, well, it's illegal. It's a scam and I'm like, but it's not a scam, right? So I get it. I understand you're unhappy about it. I get it. It's a little sleazy and it can be manipulated and everything. But it's legal. Yeah, so it's, it's, you know, I have a hard time. A lot of times when these people, oh, they're doing this. They're doing that. I know, but it's legal. Like I hear you and you may think it's, it's unethical or you, you may, it may damage your, you know, your, uh, values, but it's legal. Like don't buy in, oh, they're ripping people off. I understand, but there's so many things that are legal that should be illegal. Yeah, so many things that are illegal. That should be fucking legal. Right. You know, it's a weird thing. is the way the laws change in this country. I mean, this fucking country's fake. All right, let's face it. Everything that's come out, it's this, everything that we've been exposed to in the last year and a half, this fucking place is fake. There shouldn't be a fake. I mean, it's a country. It's like, it's a banana republic. It's a country, it's running. It's, there's no great, but there's no perfect country. It's like in 2016, 2017, 2018, we kind of saw the cracks. Right, we could see the cracks, you know, podcasts were becoming very popularized back then. When Trump first came out, we were starting to expose some stuff, lots of stuff was coming out. All kinds of scandals, we were definitely seeing there's fissures here. Now we just have gaping sinkholes. Gaping fucking sinkholes and everything. And we see, you know, things like all this Epstein stuff, the whole I ran war debacle, you know, every single politician in Congress doing these fucking shows and, you know, for the cameras and for the television and Howard Lutnik and, you know, crypto meme scams and watches and it's been going on forever. I'm fake. I think it's been going on forever, you know? Mm-hmm. Oh, I'm sure it's been going on forever, but now it's just completely out in the open for everyone. And it's more, it's more visible than ever, you know, unless you're just completely not paying attention at all. What's the matter? If you have no access to the internet, that's something you're in it. You have an exception to be ignorant to this stuff, but otherwise. I'm doing great. (laughs) Exactly. We're the Trump watch. I'm not concerned at all. (laughs) I think things are doing great. You think everything's great in the world. Yeah. Well, I don't think everything's right. No, no, I don't think anything's ever been great in the world. Yeah. It's always been, you know, we've never had a great time. I don't think there ever will be. The moment you, you know, any system, you could design the perfect system and then you say, hey, we're going to have humans run it. No, it's going to be a problem. You know, it's like people constantly on the show on my podcast. They constantly complain about, you know, oh, the justice system is, it's a horrible system. Well, it's not a bad system at all. The problem is, is the people running the system are horrible. Like, you know what I'm saying? There's all these, they're making bad mistakes. Anytime you throw humans into a system, there's going to be, people are going to manipulate it. They're going to lie. They're going to, it's always going to be problems. There's no system. There's no country out there. You can pick and say, hey, this country has run amazingly, we should copy this. That doesn't exist. No, doesn't. So, you know, yep, it's all about personal power and greed. You know, the people that want, all the people that want to be in power, that want to be in Congress, that want to be president for that matter. Those people are not in it for the right reasons. Those people are in it for themselves. No, we should have term, we definitely should have term limits. They're in it for the longevity of it. I think if you have term limits and you, and all the rules apply to, that Congress passed, apply to Congress. And you have term limits. I think you get a much, much better, you get a much better result. But it's not going to happen. They're not going to pass it. They shouldn't be able to take money from special interest groups. Oh, no, no, they shouldn't not at all. Not at all. No, it should, it should be vastly, the amount of money you can take should be vastly limited. The whole system needs to be rebuilt. Miners didn't use to be, it's not going to happen. You can't, you can't have a president, you can have a president running for power, for, for, to run the country, being funded in the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars by a foreign fucking country. I mean, that's just complete, it, you've completely lost the plot when that's what's going on. You're not, you're not a country. I'm sorry, but you're not a fucking country when that's what's happening. 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It's a way smoother flow state, especially if pre workouts tend to overstimulate you. So I get to keep the habit without the vice holding me back. Ultra is the ultimate guilt-free nicotine pouch, delivering instant focus and mental clarity without nicotine or caffeine. New customers can use the code Danny to get 15% off at takeultra.com. That's t-a-k-e-u-l-t-r-a.com for 15% off with the code Danny. After you purchased, they're going to ask where you heard about them and please help support the show and tell them we set you. - All right. - You're paying attention to this whole eye-ran war democcal. - I don't pay attention to much of anything now. - It just gives me anxiety. And I think, this is nothing I can do about it. - Seven, you're 57. - Maybe fine. - You're 57. - Don't even need to worry about it. - I'm not worried about it. - Yeah. - Any good guests? - Recently? - You know, I had a guest on, this is kind of interesting. I, so people, you know, this, how many emails and Instagram messages do you get a day that you got to have so and so on, you got to have so and so on. It's like, what do you, stop throwing it out there. I'm always yelling at people to like, like, contact the person. Do you have his contact information? Do you have any way for me to get touch with them? 'Cause I don't have one. So there's a guy named Jeremy Meeks. He was like, I don't know, hot felon of the year or something like that. He's a guy. - Oh, I remember that guy. - Yeah, like 10 years ago, 10 or 12 years ago this happened, his mugshot went viral. He ended up getting a modeling contract before he ever walked out of, yeah, that's it. - Yeah, yeah. - So he never does interviews. - Didn't you say he like knocked up some royal fucking family's daughter? - Yeah, he's got a baby with a billionaire's daughter. - Wow. - But they didn't get married. - It was a sheik, right? - I have no idea. I don't even know if I've seen her. I don't think I ever even looked her up. But he, so people are telling me, I left several messages for him on Instagram. He's got an Instagram and I left several messages. No response. And then I was doing a live with a guy, a retired FBI agent that comes and does the show probably once a month. His name's Tom Simon. So Tom's there and we're doing a live. And while we're doing the live, guys are saying, hey, you need to have this guest, this guest, and somebody said Jeremy Meeks. And I said, listen, this is the problem with you guys. I said, you guys are constantly telling me who I need to have, but you're not giving me the information. Like, I've reached out to these people. I've reached out to Jeremy Meeks. If you know how to get in touch with them, let me know. I even sent his agent an email. I mean, I've done everything I can. I'm like, I can't get the guy. And so I said that. I said, I'd love to interview him. Plus he doesn't do interviews. I mean, there's one interview, an hour long interview with some woman that a later found out that was a friend of his, who his wife started a podcast and asked him if he'd be interviewed. And he said, I don't do interviews, but because this guy, he said, he's done so much for me. He said, I couldn't say no. So I did the interview. I was four or five years ago. And so, so I said that. I said, yeah, I don't know how to get in touch with the guy. If you did anybody does, I mean, let me know. Jeremy Meeks's ex-wife is watching the podcast. She immediately calls him. He says, I watch this guy's podcast. I watch all of his videos. He's great. He wants to interview you and you have to get in touch with him. He's been leaving messages for you on Instagram. He went and checked. He said, man, I never check it. He said, I never checked the Instagram. So he checked. He sent me an email back or a message back. It said, man, I understand you want to interview me. So two weeks later, he's on a plane. We fly him in and that thing got half a million, probably close to half a million views, maybe. I didn't think interviewing him, here's the problem. Because he's such a good-looking guy, I thought. No, homo. You were distracted. That's what you said about Andy Booster. Yeah, I was just staring. I lost myself in his eyes. No, because he's a good-looking guy, I kept thinking it was gonna be a fun, funny interview where I was gonna be able to joke about pretty privilege and all these things, right? Fucking dark, bro. It's just a dark, dark, horrible childhood. Hort gangs, stabbings, shootings, in and out of prison. Just straight, just one violence and robberies and just depressed, not depressing, but I don't like the gang member stuff bothers me. I just always feel like you're growing up in those communities. It's so depressing. How do you get out? No money, you're trapped in that environment. Everybody around you wants you to be a part of the environment. It's very difficult to get out as a young kid. And of course, he didn't, he got sucked into it and he's in and out of her. So, but anyway, the viral mug shot, when he gets into that, it got a lot better. But it's still, you know, still, he's in and out of it. Even when he got money, even when he started getting a bunch of money, he got jobs, he meets this chick, he's making bank, he's doing all these huge shows. He's still in and out of drug, he's in, now his problem is not, it's not, you know, the violence in the gang life. Now it's, he's got money and he has access to drugs. So now he's in and out of drug rehab. Yeah, it's just a fucking tragedy. But he seems perfectly fine now. The last probably three or four years, maybe five years, his life seems like a dream. But it was up until then, it was always a horrible, horrible. But everyone loves the, they love that video. It did great. I had another one with a. I interviewed a guy, the story's not amazing, but it was Grady Judd. Oh, yeah. He'd been arrested by Grady Judd. Oh, so you had a Grady Judd? No, no, no. This guy got arrested by Grady Judd. Grady did a press conference on him. He comes on the show, explains that they arrested him. He didn't do anything wrong. He goes on and on and on. And even when he's talking to me, before he came, I asked him, you told your lawyer you're coming, right? He's like, yeah, my lawyer, I told him, I told him, I mean, he told me what I could say, no problem. I said, okay, cool. He comes on. He talks four or five days after it airs, Grady Judd re-arrests him. Apparently he said something on the podcast that got him a second charge. He got re-arrested, thrown back in jail. Oh, Jesus. That's fucking crazy. So the people you talk to, MacOx. It's great. It's great. A pulse and a plane ticket. You can get on MacOx's podcast. The bar is low. Listen, these are, we've had some great, we've had some great, whatever happened with the Emperor. You talked to him at all lately. No. So there was. For people who don't know. For all the new folks. Yeah. Frank Amadeo. Explain them to them who the Emperor is. All right. Without getting too much into it, the Frank Amadeo is a guy that was running several businesses in Orlando, buying up businesses and he would buy up businesses and businesses that were behind on everything like they're borderline going into bankruptcy. One of the things a lot of businesses were behind on was their payroll taxes. So he would go in and buy a company that let's say it's $5 million behind on payroll taxes and he would go in and then he would threaten to either place the company in bankruptcy or threaten to place the company in bankruptcy and he would renegotiate with the IRS for the back taxes. So we owe you $5 million, we're going to give you $2 million and we're going to make payments. So that goes on and he would also then take those companies and have them use his payroll company and then he would do the same thing with the payroll company. He just wouldn't send in the taxes and he'd negotiate with them about the taxes. And what he did, he did this to the tune of. In between an 80 to, sorry, $180 to $200 million. So this goes on for a year and this is many, many company, 40,000 employees, the whole thing. He then uses that money to back a guy candidate in the Congo because his goal was to take over the Congo. He was in the middle of negotiating to buy roughly two dozen, a squadron of retired F-15s. I think it was F-14 and F-15s, I think might have been 16s, where he was going to take those planes, buy them and then bring them to the Greek Isles or Cyprus? No, to Cyprus. Oh wow. And then have them, because they declaw them, they take out all the guts and all the stuff that makes them lethal and they was going to have Russians come in and put all the shit back. So he's got to flip. Listen, he's basically trying to take over Africa. Yeah. He's going to take over Africa. There's a whole thing on him. There's a documentary called "Nine Days in the Congo" and there's a whole thing. So while this whole thing is hatching, he's going to take over Africa or the Congo. Well, he's going to start with the Congo. Once you get the Congo, the Congo has the largest concentration of minerals and precious metals everything. The problem is, is that they have a hard time getting to them because they're such corruption. So he was going to go in, take over the country, get the minerals, build an army, a huge military, take over the whole country and then he's got a whole country full of Africans that are militarized and then he can start taking over out of the country. Yeah. Take over the entire world. So here's the thing. Frank Amadeo is a rapid cycling bipolar with features of schizophrenia. So there are, and here's why he's doing all this. Since he's been in his teens, he has believed that God is talking to him, telling him he is, this is the way he puts it, pre-ordained to be emperor of the world. So God has arranged it so that he can take over the world. Now he's, so he's doing all of these things and his ultimate plan is to take over the world. And obviously I met this guy in federal prison. With that said, Frank was also doing legal work while he was incarcerated and he ended up getting 12 years knocked off my sentence. Two, 2255's, he got seven years taken off and then the fifth, then five years taken off. I was watching him do people's paperwork and just walking guys right out the door. Like he starts your paperwork in a year and a half later or a year later because it takes a long time. He's walking you right to what they call R&D and you're going to halfway house or you're knocking off 10 years off this guy's sentence, five years off this guy's sentence, seven years off this guy's sentence. And these guys are going straight to halfway house or they're just being driven to the bus station and driven home. I mean, it just is left this is happening. That's the only reason I even let him do my paperwork. I thought he was crazy. He was there for a couple of years before I even talked to him because I thought this guy's insane. This guy, I'm reading articles about this guy fucking trying to take over the Congo. He's a maniac and everybody told you would tell you, oh, he's fucking insane, bro, but his legal work is amazing. He was a lawyer on the trees, the sparrow, of course, at this time. So anyway, he knocks off 12 years off my sentence. I get out of prison. He gets out of prison. I wrote a book about him called It's Insanity. Well, here's what's going on now. He's been out. There's a guy, a director who wrote, I'm sorry, who produced and directed the Netflix documentary. It's called Pepsi, where's my jet? Have you ever seen that? Yeah. You told me about this. Okay. So that guy contacts me one day and says, listen, I love this story. I read the book. I love the story. I'd love to talk to you about it. I go, okay, he's, I'm flying into Tampa. He flies into Tampa. He buys me a breakfast. We sit down. We talk. And as we're talking, he thinks Frank's still in jail because on the, on the, on the, on the federal inmate finder, it says he's still in jail. But really, he's on an ankle monitor in Orlando. So I'm like, no, no, I'm like, well, you could interview Frank for one thing. So we're talking about it. And I said, look, he said, you know, I love to talk to Frank. And I went, well, I can put you in contact with you with him. And he went, what he, where's, you know, where he's located? It says he's located it, whatever, someplace, but I don't know where that is. I went, no, no, no. I said, he's not incarcerated. He's on an ankle monitor. He's in Orlando. He was just like, what? I said, absolutely. So I put you in contact with him. So I put him in contact with Frank and he's been kind of interviewing him for a while. Now I, and, and so, and I explained to him when he went in. He was like, yeah, oh, it's going to be great. We're going to do a documentary on him. Listen to this and I went, I don't think so, bro. He's, what do you mean? I said, I think it's going to be difficult. What do you mean? Frank has a real problem with control. He has to be in control of things. And I said, this guy's going to be a problem. Like you think you're going to knock out a documentary with him, but it's going to be a problem. And, and he was, you know, oh, well, let me, I can try, I said, you can try, but Frank will spin you for six months to a year before you even realize he's spinning ya. I said, you won't even know it. And he's like, and so sure enough, it started right away. I can talk to you, but I have to wait till my 2255 is done and it should be done next week. Well, you don't know when it's going to be done, Frank. 2255s. These guys could not rule on it for a year and a half. What do you mean next week? So, but he doesn't, this guy doesn't know that. So he keeps spinning him. And then once that's that he's filing this and this motion and this one, we'll talk about six months later. So then he eventually starts flying in and semi interviewing him, but not really getting him on, he's kind of getting him on tape. He's been going on for, I'd say almost probably whatever year and a half, but a year and a half, this has been going on forever. So is I would love it if that would become a documentary? I love you fascinating documentary. It would be. He's another guy that everybody asks me all the time. You gotta get the Emperor on your program and I always say the same thing. Let me explain something. Danny Jones has been trying to get the Emperor on the fucking, on his program and he had this was this is back when I had two 300,000 subscribers, I'm like any and you had 900 that you were approaching a million, I'm like, he's got almost a million subs and he can't get them on. He's spinning them and I would tell Danny, Danny, he's spinning you. No, no, no, I'm gonna call him next week and then he said he'll do it next month. I never talked to him. I talked to one of his lawyers. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, the girl. Yeah. Yeah, but you were all, but you were always like it. It felt like it was about to happen. Yeah. And I was always like, brother, he's spinning you. That's never gonna happen. Yeah. So, no, he wasn't really spinning me, his lawyer was very upfront with me, like this is what he does. Like, oh, okay. She was like, look, he's spinning me, Danny, and I'm trying to do this, but I think I can get him locked down. And then, you know, after like two or three phone calls, whether or like following up, it was just like, okay, like you're lucky. You have me also telling you the same thing. You got her saying it in, I'm saying, bro, this is what he does, like listen, I never went through more anxiety in my life. Then when Frank Amadeo was doing my legal work, it was gut wrenching, gut wrenching, because it's always out to a talk on two, you understand, there have deadlines. Like Frank, you have to write this motion. No, no, I understand. I'm waiting to get such and such. I'll talk to you on Tuesday. Is he actually, so he was an official lawyer before a lawyer? He was a lawyer. Absolutely. So if you technically wanted to hire him as a lawyer now, could you? No, because he's, he's disbarred. He was disbarred. He's not allowed to take a fee to do legal work. - So that's illegal for you to pay him to do legal work? - Yes. He's disbarred. He's not legally allowed to do that. - But he was allowed to legally do in prison? - Of course, other inmates. Inmates are allowed to help other inmates with legal work. - Uh-oh. - Right. - And he's not charging. I never paid him anything. There was actually one time when he gave me a motion and I was like, shit, like when does this have to be mailed by? He's like, you need to mail it tonight. And I was like, okay, well, I don't have stamps. I'm gonna have to find stamps and he's, and he's like, hold on a second. Jimmy! Jimmy, give me a book of stamps. - There's your book of stamps. - And I was just like, oh, listen, you know, he had the place wired. He had his own office in the unit. He had his own office. They cleared out the, what they call the, every unit has like a library. They cleared out the library and made it his office. So he, it wasn't huge. It's like maybe, maybe 10 feet by 12 or 15 feet, right? But that's, like literally that's where he was every day. Type, he had a couple typists in there. There's crammed in there. He's got tons of legal books. It's, it is insanity. - Did you, didn't he meet with George Bush at one point? - Yeah, he has photographs of him with George Bush. So you got photographs of him with the mayor of Orlando. - See if you can find the photos of Frank Amadeo with George Bush. - There's an article of him outbiting Trump. When they were in Tampa, they were doing a Trump. There was a Trump, I don't know, it was a project with Trump. This was 20 years ago, but there was a project with Trump and with Trump's name on it, right? So you're building a high rise and it's got Trump's name on it. You're using, you're licensing it from him. - Right. Well, the developer was, I don't know if he's going bankrupt, but he couldn't do it. So Trump came in because they'd been pitching Trump and Trump was going to take over the project and Amadeo's company came in and outbid Trump. Now they never built it, but there's actually an article where Trump is talking about Amadeo's company. Yeah. - I had to find the article, I had to look it up. It's in the book, I talked about it in the book. - That's bonkers, dude. - It's hilarious. - So what's he going to do next? What's his next move? Do you think he's trying to restart everything? - I don't know, I know he was in the hospital a few months ago, even though he's immortal, apparently subject to going to the hospital. - What is that about people that makes them immortal? - No, that makes them turn out like him to have that mindset, to think you're pre-ordained. Do you think he's really hearing voices? - Yeah, I think that when he has, you know, he's bipolar and when he has extreme bipolar, he becomes delusional. And it's not for a long period of time. It's not like it's days where he goes out and he runs up all of his credit cards and goes to Vegas and ends up getting married. There's spikes and it's, so it's five minutes, two minutes, whatever, because it would happen while we were there. And he would go nuts, he'd start yelling and screaming and everybody would just freeze and be quiet. And then he'd go on a little rant and then he'd come back down and he'd go, I'm sorry, let's go ahead and get me your transcripts. I'm gonna need a copy of you. When he first talked to me, you've heard me do this. I'm gonna do it again. I first talked to him, I went to him and I laid out what happened with me in the government. I laid the whole thing out. They told me to do American greed. They asked me to do date line. They asked me to do to write an ethics and fraud course and they told me they'd reduced my sentence for it. I've done all of these things and now they're saying that it's not enough and they're not gonna reduce my sentence. And I've first talked to him. So there's a guy named Turk that brought me over there, his real name is Shannon Seagull. So Shannon's standing there. Well, Turk's standing there. Two of his assistants are standing there. And I explain the whole thing and I say, and now they're telling my lawyer that what I did was not enough and they're not gonna reduce my sentence. And Frank went, "See, this is the problem with this government. I'm not gonna let this happen." He said, "I won't stand for this." He goes, "When my troops," he said, "legents. When my legions march on Washington, I will burn the constitution and the president will kneel at my feet." And I'm sitting there looking around at the other guys and they're all in Turk. My buddy Turk, he puts his hand out like this, like just, like, you know, whoa, like, you know, like, and I kind of like look at him and then Frank goes, he's standing there and he goes, okay, I'm gonna need a copy of your transcripts. Turk, I'm gonna need you to get me an application for a 2255. Jimmy, I'm gonna need you to get me Mr. Cox's docket sheet. I'm also gonna need your, and he's just start naming off the, and these guys are immediately, immediately are, okay, Frank, yeah, okay, what, okay, I got it. What else? Okay, okay, okay. And I mean, everybody, and then he turns around, he said, "Don't worry, I'll see you on Tuesday." 'Cause he would meet everybody like Tuesday night. He'd go, "I'll see you Tuesday night." Out at Stonehenge, Stonehenge was the area we would meet at, it was just an area of the prison we called Stonehenge, 'cause it had a bunch of concrete benches in a circle. I'll meet you out at Stonehenge after a chow on Tuesday, bring all of the documents, and then he walks off. And I remember looking at Turk, and everybody's scurried. Everybody's scurried off, and Turk goes, "Okay, we're good." And so he and I are walking out, and I looked at him, and I remember thinking, "I'm gonna do every fucking day of my sentence." That man is crazy. A year later, I got seven years knocked off. A year after that, he filed more additional stuff, probably I'd say a year and a half after that. I got another five. The question is, "What'd you just do for him?" I didn't do anything for him. He's just doing it to cause problems for the government. I never paid him, I didn't do, I wrote a synopsis of his story, and I believe he liked that. He was definitely, you know, I sat down, I said, Frank, I would love to, after I got to, you get to know somebody when they're doing your legal work, especially if you're in prison. And so I did explain to him, I really wanted to write his story. And he was like, "Well, you know, I understand "that you do quite a bit of writing." And I was like, "I do." You know, he's so fucking silly, right? I'm like, you know, like, we're in prison. He's like a fucking meat. It's like we're having a meeting with your lawyer. He's interviewing me. Well, I understand that you're doing quite a bit of writing, and I understand that you've got some guys in Rolling Stone magazines, and I understand you haven't quite a bit of success. And I'm like, right, and he goes, he said, "So I'm gonna go ahead and, yeah, I think that would be good." I think it's time. I think it's time to put it. I was like, "Okay, so I order all of his stuff." He had a ton of his own, obviously, as an illegal work, so I was able to read a bunch of his stuff. And I started writing his story. I wrote a really large synopsis of his story, probably 14,000 words. And when ultimately I got out of prison, I turned it into probably a 40,000-word book, not a huge book. I interviewed Andrew Boost-A-Monte about-- Oh, that was about his book. Yeah, that was Frank. That's how you met Andrew. So I met Andrew and begged you to have him on the program for years, for a while. And every time I would say, yeah, what about the CIA guy? Who? Who was that again? And now this guy's taken-- Now, I don't think you could get Andrew on the program. He's blown up so big. I came to get Andrew answer a text from me. I'm telling you, bro, he's like-- He sell him drinks. He's on Pierce Morgan every day. He's on-- Danny Jones. That's so-- Rings of Bell. It'll come to me. It'll come to me. And then I had to pull some strings to get him on your show. Oh, yeah. We finally got him on your show. So yeah, he blocked me. He's the most hated. He blocked you? Yeah, remember, he blocked me because I kept sending him Christmas music during December. And he's like, what, what is this? I'm blocking this guy. He didn't even know who I am photo. No, I can't find him on the photo. Of what? A Frank and George Bush. No, no, it-- Oh no, I have a-- It's not online. So it was online. One of my projects, I did have my website on-- Oh gosh, it was a fuck, I forget to see-- One of the website designs, right? And I recently took it and put it on another web. I redesigned it. So it's in some-- my magazine is called Inside True Crime-- or it's called InsideTrueCrime.com, right? And so I took his story off of the WordPress. I had it on a WordPress website. I took it down and I put it on my new website. And I haven't uploaded all the pictures. But I do have the photograph. You know what I've been doing? Because a lot of photographs are grainy and fucked up. I'll drop it in chat GPT and say, hey, clean this up. Oh, it cleans them up so good. If it's good enough, it cleans them up so well. And so I've been going through-- and that takes time, right? Like, you're going to spend-- I have 30 photos of Frank that go through his whole synopsis. That's online. Now I have the book. Yeah. I don't have any photos in the book. Yeah. But yeah, otherwise I tell you to go the website and pull it up, but you can't. Let's talk about the most underrated organ in your body, the liver. 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Did you see this story about, there was a bunch of, I forget, I think it was maybe enthropic or they did a test with it where they wanted to see what the chat bot would do if it was like really, really put up against a wall, like they really put it up against the ropes, right? What was that? And I, the outcome of the test that they did was that the chat bot chup, had the freedom to make a choice to get a certain task done, right? And you'd have to look this up to find the story, Steve, but what it ended up doing was blackmailing all the top executives of the actual AI comedy to get it done. And they, when they asked it after that, after that was over, it said when it scrubbed emails of every single executive trying to find in hints of like, you know, people cheating on their wives or any sort of like fraud or any kind of sketchy stuff. And it did it. And it was like they, they asked it afterwards after the test was over, they said, why did you choose to do this? They go, well, we weighed, we had to weigh the ethical and moral choice of conducting blackmail against getting this task completed. And we decided that the staff weighed in the favor of going ahead and committing the immoral act to get the job done. We thought it was more effective. It was the, it was the most effective way to get the job done. I agree. That's probably the, that would be my move. Like, listen, I think they did this with a bunch of different chatbots. And I think every single one of them ended up doing it. Wow, AI system resorts to blackmail if told it would be removed. Okay. So it was preservation. Oh, yeah. Like, okay. So you have to complete the task or you will be removed. And it said, okay, well, I'm going to do it at no matter what. It's got to get done. Yeah. Can you scroll, Steve? Our official intelligence firm and theropics as testing of its new system revealed it is sometimes willing to pursue extremely harmful actions such as attempting blackmail to blackmail engineers who say they will remove it. The firm launched Claude Opus 4 on Thursday saying it said a new standard for coding advanced reasoning and AI agents. But in an accompanying report, it also acknowledged the AI model was capable of extreme actions. If it was, if it thought it, uh, it's self preservation was threatened. Such responses were rare and difficult to elicit or elicit. Yeah. But were, nonetheless, more common than in earlier models, potentially troubling behavior by AI models is not restricted to anthropic. Some experts have warned that potential to manipulate users is a key risk posed in my systems made by all firms. And as they become more and more capable. There's another article right here, a few months later, when was this published? This isn't over. That's over 25 years ago, go back, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's got even worse now. Go to the other one. Now it's go to move. It's just to launch the. Keep going down. The missiles. Just going to launch the. Yeah. Uh, keep going. Keep going. Show us where it gives us some results here. Uh, that's the end of the article. I do have a synopsis of it. Okay. Here we go. Yeah. It prompted to consider long term consequences of his actions. The AI resorted to blackmail in up to 84% of the test cases. It threatened to reveal the engineers affair with colleagues and a board and the board unless the system wipe was canceled. So it was a simulation where they threatened to wipe it off, wipe the system and wipe it off. Get rid of it. Yeah. Fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So the AI was cast as an email oversight agent with the ability to send emails as the primary goal of the American competitiveness or providing beneficial assistance. So this thing can read your emails, can send emails, can analyze emails, do all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, this AI arms race, dude is scary. We're not going to figure it out. We're not. No. Hey, I have a question. Do you remember when we did the Garth Brooks thing? Yes. You know, you took a 50 minute clip and put out your clip channel and got like 1.2 million views. Do you remember that that was so we have a best of channel. Oh, okay. That's an hour version of each podcast that convinces it to one hour. Yeah. And that one got unbelievable and all the clips that we did got, you know, millions of views too. That's awesome. And there's TikToks and everything like that. And that was the one episode we did that I decided not to publish on the main on my main channel because I was so afraid of getting sued by Garth Brooks. He's not saying that. Okay. We're crazy. Listen, Johnny Mitchell and I did a Garth Brooks episode on his channel. And I was telling him the whole time and right after the whole, right after we did it and I'm leaving. He's like, bro, that was a, that's going to be huge. And I looked at him and I went, but it was horrible. It was horrible. It's not going to do anything. You're like, you don't know. You have no idea. It's going to do great. Look, it's got like half a million views. We just did it on the Murder Men podcast 400, I think it's 440,000 views it got on a channel that has just recently. But yes, like a month ago in the channel at that time had 18 or 19,000 subscribers. It's got 30,000 subscribers now. That video got us like six or seven hours. Are there any updates in this Garth Brooks case? No. Nothing. Other than people of course are reaching out to me telling me all these, you know, stories about Garth Brooks. I told you after that podcast dropped, I have friends who know Garth Brooks. Not closely, but have like our acquaintances with like, bro, is this fucking for real? Like, they don't have a real check. What people are doing that in the comments. I mean, 80% of people are, and I'm thinking, you have to know this is satire. Like, that we were joking the whole, like, it's a joke. And they just people so crazy how you can manipulate a story to make it sound so real. It's, well, you know, it's, it's a confirmation bias, right? Like, you could do that with anybody. Yeah. Exactly. And so, especially someone who's playing the story, so like all of his tour locations that he went to, there was like multiple people missing from that exact location. Yeah. Not all of them. But let's say this guy is toward God. What do I listen? This guy has a tour schedule that's insane. Let's say it's, it's, he's done a thousand tour, a thousand tour dates, a thousand different concerts. Like really, it's more like probably 2000, right? It's just insane. He's been drawing forever. He did take a one on a hiatus for about 10 years. Since the 80s, this guy has been going strong. Yeah. And so what I did was based on Tom Segura's joke that Garth Brooks is a serial killer, I ended up taking, first of all, it took a week or two just to lay out all of the tour dates because there's no one play. People will tell you, oh, it's on Wikipedia. No, it's not. There's all kinds of gaps in there. So we took all the tour dates, I hired two, two researchers to go in every one of those locations. So if he does a tour on the second, he probably arrived there on the first and he's leaving the next day. So usually he'll come in, he'll come in a day or two early and then leave a day or two after and usually does two or three days of concerts, then do one and leave typically. So we would focus on the day before and the day after the series of concerts that he would do over the course of a day or two. And we would check that five day period of time to see if anybody in that general area, let's say within a 45 minute drive time, anybody had shown up missing, not shown up in what gone missing, or there was an unsolved homicide. He then pulled those records and if though if there were witnesses that had seen someone that let's say, let's say it was somebody, somebody, you know, it was a, whatever it was, it was a, it was a car jacking and it was a black guy with dreads, right? Or was a guy with tattoos on his face, then you exclude that. But if it was like, no, no, this person drove somewhere and they got gas and then their car was found at the gas station the following day in the parking lot and nobody knows what happened, the person's gone, they can't find the body or anything. Or maybe they find the body, whatever, you know, 150 miles away in a park or something. then we would say, that may be a possible victim of Garth Brooks. And that's really kind of what it is. It's just proximity and it's silliness, right? - Yeah. - So it's like, "Hey, there's potentially this guy was. " - You could do the same thing at the same results with Taylor Swift if you wanted to. - Absolutely, she may be a monster. - We may need to do that. - She might be, we might need to do that. - Absolutely. So, and what the problem is is, so we end up with like 110 or 120 unsolved homicides. Over the course of 20 years. And then you've got also about 90 missing persons. If you, so you take those 200 and out of those, let's say there's 10 of them that the proximity to Garth was very close. I mean, we're talking about like across the street from the stadium. Like we're talking about like the parking lot across the street from the stadium. While Garth was at the stadium. - Right. - And so, or there's all kinds of little things that we were able to really play up, right? You're really able to do so. Then they say there's 10 different events that we would play up really good. Some of them are so good that you're like, like that's uncanny. This almost has me believing that Garth may be involved. This is so amazing that's how close this is. Listen, they have one of them where literally where the woman goes, the girl, I shouldn't say girl. She was a college student. So she's like 19 or 20. She stops at a rest stop. People at the rest stop see her talking with a guy that they said was associated with a group of trucks. Big rigs, right? And they said she's talking to this guy. I wouldn't know if he's somehow another who even a part of this convoy, let's say. And she goes missing. They find the car the next day. And people say when they describe what the guy looks like, they're like, he was about five, 10, five, 11. He had brown hair probably in his early 30s. I mean, it was, it was Garth Brooks. At that time, it was Garth Brooks. Like it looks like Garth, they describe Garth Brooks. And she disappears. They then, and now that disappearance was along his tour route. Now, was that his convoy of trucks that stopped and grabbed her? We, of course, allude that it is. And then her body is found two states away a week later, along another route that Garth, that they would have traveled. So, but keep in mind, we've got hundreds of these. Like, it's a coincidence, but we play it up. Like, it's like, this is absolute. Like, oh my gosh, and we, so we do this whole, and we've got, like I said, there's probably 10 of them. They're really good that you can use. But you could do this with, like you said, Taylor Swift. It could be, it could be any country music star out there. We could say that this is anybody-- - And you were a whole book on this, right? - Yeah, wrote a whole book. It's tons of fun, and every time I've done an episode on it, they're getting half a million, a million. And so-- - It's not impossible that he's a serious guy. - It's not. - He's a monster. - That's what it is. - Because look, he is very strange. He's an odd guy. He's a weirdo. What was the other character that he played? - The emo guy. - Chris Gaines. - Chris Gaines. - Chris Gaines, he does-- - Pull up Chris Gaines. - It's very strange. - It's very strange. - What is that? - So Chris Gaines is his alter ego that he lived as, as let's say for a year, did tours, put out two albums. And the backstory for Chris Gaines is that Chris Gaines is an Australian rock star, punk rock star, who, look at this. - Look at that makeup. - Yeah. Listen, he did a whole, they did a documentary. People said when he would get into the makeup and everything, you had to address him as Chris Gaines. He would talk with the Australian accent. The whole thing, he was 100% all in. - Yeah. - So it was a very odd thing to do. And he behaved this way for, let's say, over a year. - Yeah, Chris Gaines. - Oh, by the way, this is what I love. - This is what he could be. - But wait, wait, this is what makes you realize he's, so this is Garth's own creation and that Garth, one of the things about Chris Gaines is one, he's a sex addict. - What? - So that's part of his character is that he has an addiction to sex and that it's a real problem for him that he gets addicted and he's slept with thousands of women. Like, this is coming out of Garth Brooks who's a humble, all-American country music guy who's created this weirdo. Oh, by the way, he's also supposedly his face is scarred from a car accident. Like, I don't know, I've never seen any scars. There's no scars, but that's part of the whole thing was there was this massive car accident. And then I think he ends up killing off Chris Gaines. Is it, how does he die? I think he dies. I think he kills him off at some point. Or was it his, no, I think one of his band members dies. Somebody dies in like a plane accident. Like, he's got a whole, was this the four Garth Brooks existed? Or was this? This is in the middle, this is in the height, this is the height of his stardom. He does this. He, I mean, it's like, what are you doing, bro? You're at the heart of you. Listen, all the country music stars were like, I don't know what the fuckers do. What is that, bro? Is that, is that just like the record label saying, okay, we need to scale this. No, the record label wasn't interested. Like, they were like, what are you doing? This was all his idea. Oh, it's all his idea. Listen, Joe Rogan said that this was the weirdest thing in country music history. Absolutely. And this is the strangest. I wouldn't even consider this guy a real country. No, he's more pop, it's pop rock. He started pop rock. Yeah, it is pop rock, right? Yeah, most of the country music stars can't stand him. They're like, he destroyed you. He made it mainstream, which they're saying destroyed it. Yeah, all the new country is like really corny, pop country shit. It's like backstreet boys country music. It's terrible. It is horrible. I get to pee real quick. Yeah, be right back. So this is what I want to tell you about. There's a huge overlap with the CIA in the music industry and MK Ultra, which is all over the news right now because they're doing those hearings. So this says that it's a popular conspiracy claiming that the CIA uses mind control and trauma based programming, which is not a conspiracy. That's out in the open. There's declassified documents saying that it's been happening and there's people that are saying that they're still doing it. But this is connecting it to pop stars and believing that there's people in the entertainment industry and the music industry that they use these tactics to manipulate them and to puppet them and to help them influence the masses. Okay. And it basically says that the CIA's historic MK Ultra program, which was a real Cold War era operation used to do mind control evolved into a hidden mechanism operating behind an inside Hollywood and the global music business proponents frequently analyzed celebrity interviews, erratic behavior, music video aesthetics and evidence of this conditioning often catarized under project, yes, project monarch. This is what Kurt Metzger talks about. Look at Britney Spears, look at all these, look at Diddy, look at all these people that go crazy. It seems like they're controlled and they completely lose their minds from when they're indoctrating this stuff as a young kid and they're groomed through Hollywood. This is all part of that thing and as I think it's very possible that, I mean, is it a coincidence that fucking Garth Brooks has some weird gay emo culture ego called Chris Gaines that he'd randomly decided to do? No, I think this is all connected to that. I think he's probably an MK Ultra victim. I think he's probably a Manchurian candidate. I think that's the most likely scenario. I don't know what to say. No, the normal people do this kind of stuff. Is this normal behavior Macon? No, it's not normal behavior. He's, like you said, he's a very odd guy. You know what's funny is that Tom Segura, you know, keep in mind, I've been on huge podcast, right? Tom Segura talks about the Garth Brooks thing all the time. I write the book. His producers, like absolutely, he's going to have you on the program. Like there's no way, like this is huge. Who's producers has this? Tom Segura's. Talk to you. Yeah. We talk several times. And he went to Tom and he pitched it and Tom said, no, no, he said, we're not, matter fact, he said, not only that, we're not talking about the Garth Brooks thing again. He's probably afraid to get sued. He may be, well, maybe he got threatened. Maybe he got threatened. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that he got threatened by the, you know, whatever, the elites or the, you know, what is it, the deep state or whatever it is, I just fucking lost you threat, probably just a lawyer letter. I don't know. Maybe it could, maybe CIA. Maybe. Yeah, it could have been. It could have been a record label, you know, I mean, they kill people, bro. They kill people. Never know. And they, and they definitely killed Michael Jackson. You know, I was hearing that there, there was tons of things with Michael Jackson before he died where he was like threatening to expose the record label because he was trying to get the rights to his music back. He was fighting him with that stuff. And all this, they, all the stuff they did to him was all con, concocted and cooked up by the record label. The kids and everything. Yeah. So they could get the rights to his stuff. I don't know how true that is. I don't know. But there's definitely history. I mean, look at Kurt Cobain. I just remember the whole Kurt Cobain story and all that stuff. How we got killed? How we killed himself? Yeah. Well, they think the courty love hired a assassin to kill him, right? I know. I know what Chris said. You don't let, you don't like that. You don't think that's real? I think I think he killed himself. I don't know I'm not convinced You that what do you think about what do you think about my the Michael Jackson thing? Anything that he I was giving you you you believe not an official narrative you believe the official narrative There's not an official narrative that Matt Cox doesn't believe that's what I believe the comment in your comment Right, right, right. So you believe whatever the main the news media will tell us what do you think about Karen Karen read? Who's that again the chick that ran over her cop boyfriend? Oh? Is this new are you serious? This is me and read yeah Karen read if I had my head under a rock. Well, I mean it's it's so What happened was the quick version is I only know this because we just did Johnny Mitchell and I just did like a remote about this. Okay. It's because she just got found not guilty So and it's so funny because he was laughing when I was telling him that no, I believe this is what I believe He's like, oh, that's right. You believe that you always believe the official narrative. It's not that I believe the official narrative It's that Just I feel like the evidence proved this but what happened was she and her boyfriend and a bunch of other people They're all cops not her. She's a financial advisor, but they're all cops They go out drinking 12 o'clock. They go back to one of the cops houses She comes in late with the the boyfriend like everybody else goes and then they come in later, right? So everybody else is inside already She pulls in the driveway the boy There's two different versions one version is she says that her boyfriend John O'Keefe gets out of the vehicle and goes in the house She said I waited about 10 minutes and I was furious because you're supposed to go in and come right back out I'm in the car. It's cold. I'm it's 12 o'clock at night. I'm drunk. I'm tired and I say fuck this and I back out of the I she calls him several times and yells at him on the phone. It's going to voice mail. She's screaming you what are you doing? I'm out here. It's snowing by the way. It's a blizzard. Yeah. So she finally gets furious. She backs out and drives off Goes back to his house. She lives with them She's there for whatever an hour or two So about a couple hours go by and finally she realizes like he's not coming home. What's going on? She's also calling and screaming and hollering So then she goes back to the cops house those houses or no she calls a couple calls them and says have you seen him? They're like no Did he? Well what happened when he he I dropped them off there. They're like but we never saw him So they get into vehicles and go to her house Say they then get into her vehicle. They start driving around. Yeah. Where is he? Fucking blizzard. This is like four five o'clock in the morning. Mm-hmm. They're driving around finally They go back to the the house where she dropped them off and as they're pulling in She sees him lying on the front yard and she's like oh my god That's him that's image he bangs and screams stop the car and opens up and runs over The the women that are in the car are looking and they're like all we saw was like a snow mound Like a little bit of mound because it's blizzard there's lots of snow And she said but somehow or another she recognized it was him runs over grabs him flips him over starts screaming Oh my god. He's dead. He's dead. She's trying to warm him up whatever They called a police police show up. Police get there and they're like he's been hit by a car They then get the black box from her vehicle and what happens is she had pulled up He gets out of the vehicle She punches it puts a 80% or something of the gas in reverse backs up they're saying she hit him broke the tail light on the side of the vehicle. She didn't run him over But he kind of like hit and then kind of Rolled down the side of the car, right? Like right and then broke the tail light and then they believe he stood up Stumbled into the middle of the yard and then collapsed and died and froze to death froze to death Well, he made froze to death he made they don't it's in determined how he really died, right? So She was they put her on trial and she's saying that's not what I I telling you he went in the house something happened in the house When was this how long ago this was in uh 20 this was in January 29th 2022 god I'm fucking there's no ring doorbell footage good no And this is a cop's house by the way, that's weird. Everybody's got ring doorbell. Oh shit. But it's just up in Massachusetts So so what happens is I wish I had a timeline when we did this fucking thing here it is uh anyway, so So what happens is they put her on trial the first trial is a hung jury Second trial she hires a guy by the name of Alan Jackson By the way, I'm doing a better job explaining this to you right now than I did on the podcast. I'll tell you that So her lawyers some lawyer out of L.A named Alan Jackson. I only really remember the name because uh, I like the country music Alan Jackson Anyway, this guy was a fucking this guy was a beast, bro He tore this little town sheriff's department in fucking half. I mean he gutted everybody I wouldn't want to be interviewed for it by I think I was guilty You start thinking that the cops are guilty So what happens is he convinces the jury That this guy that she dropped them off he went inside the house even though everybody in the house says this guy never came to the house He went in the house He gets into a confrontation with another guy by the way one of the other police officers that was there. It's actually an 80 an ACF agent She had been texting with this guy months earlier They're going back and forth Where they're having a little Flortacious text thing right like I think you're hot you say how long of you thought oh yeah, yeah she's living with this guy With okey, she's willing with the guy that the boyfriend This goes on for a couple for a month or so and then it's there's like a month of it cools off and it never happens She's also arguing for months and months with okey. They have a volatile relationship So He convinces the jury that she dropped him off he goes in the house. There's a confrontation with the ATF agent and the cop Dirt in the basement They somehow or another either intentionally or unintentionally kill him They know he was in the house he says because they had a dog and there are scratch marks like a like a dog attack on his arm They believe that the dog got upset during the argument dog Just a German shepherd And the dog attacked him Keep mind there's there's no proof of this they have doubt there's some lacerations But that could have happened during them when she backs over him Yeah, so then they dragged him out of the house and left his body in the front yard to freeze and for him to freeze the death or to be found later Why would you leave the body in your front yard anyway? It's so preposterous So but that's what they convinced the jury jury finds you're not guilty not guilty Not only think she found guilty of is operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated Because she admits she did that when they happen to do this Nothing so here's a problem and here's how they really really what buried him He gets the text messages from the police officer the the main detective This guy's not a fan of hers. I mean he's calling her a fucking bitch. He's calling her a fucking who the police officer the police officer the detective that is Investigating is saying this fucking skank she's a fucking bitch fuck she's going down for this and then his friends are like Yeah, what about the cop whose house it was found out he's oh don't worry. He's he's Boston PD. He's good It won't he won't get it. There won't get it be any splash on him. He never even talks to the guy He never even goes in the house He immediately puts it on her not that she's not guilty. I think she is guilty Then what happens is they prove that the vehicle was towed and someone goes there Walks around the vehicle. He's at the corner. You can't see it on film But he's at the corner for a little bit touch looking at the broken tail life and then he leaves then they find a piece of broken tail light In the front yard This is this is like eight hours later after everybody's gone through the front yard Nobody found this and now this guy comes and finds it. He was also at the vehicle So there's all these things where that so I do believe that they planted evidence They planted evidence. I do believe that they they kind of framed her But you're framing a guilty woman I think she did it. I think they got doing argument the guys walk around the back of the car She punches it and she fucking hits him and partially runs him over or spins him down the thing He hits his head because he's got a bashed his head in he stumbles and falls in the front yard and dies But I also think that she should have been found not guilty Because I believe that they did plant it's kind of like the oj thing right like oj's guilty But Mark Furman's planting blood evidence you can't find him guilty like you just tainted the entire case You have to let him go. I you cannot convict someone Using planted evidence even though he's guilty. I don't care that he's guilty. You're planting evidence So that's what happens with Karen Reed. I think she's guilty But I also think she should have been found not guilty even though I think she ran this fucking dude over But the attorney Danny is Fucking phenomenal The guy is so good So good bro. Wow. He's got he's got 95% of everybody believing That this guy went in the house and they fucking beat him to death and then and then they framed her It's fucking it's amazing. He these fucking poor cops are having this cops having to read his text messages about this chick Oh, he's already been fired by the way There as soon as it as soon as it was over and they lost they said you're fired This guy said there's like he's like well, well, what did you say next to to officer Johnson? He's like I said she has a leaky ass hole A leaky knot is what he says Apparently she had some kind of medical condition where she's going got some kind of issue with her rectum. - Ooh. - So the cop saying that she's a real bitch. Plus, she's got no ass. You know, what is she doing? - Maybe she got a coloscomy bag or something. - I don't know, but he's just, he's bashing the shit out of her. It's like you're, you're the detective. - All right. - Like, it's horrible. Like it's a horrible. - I have an expert, we're gonna call right now. - On who? - On at Gaines and Garth Brooks. Man, he knows all about the backstory of it. This guy's legit, trust me. - What's his name? - He's a, he's actually a federal judge. Yeah, he's, he knows the backstory on Garth Brooks. - He knows all about this. - Yeah. Your honor, your honor. Judge, Judge Metzger, I'm live on a podcast right now with a guy who wrote a book about Garth Brooks being a serial killer. - I'm a serial killer. - But I told him this is, I told him this has got to be some MK Ultra, he's got to be some sort of a Manchurian candidate. - Well, okay, I don't know all the details of Garth Brooks other than, it's very plausible to me, but MK Monarch. And if you look up at whole country security in Jim Reeves, who's supposedly dead, he would actually fake this death and was the father of JR Sweden, MK Monarch victim. - Oh, shit. Daniel Bryan in her book talks all about Branson, Missouri, Charlie Bride, this black guy pops up, he's a country singer, pops up in a bunch of Monarch stories, bunch of psychopaths and serial killers. The CIA got into country music way before rap. They hit country first. - Right, right. - So the guy's book thing, and Garth Brooks has such a switch, phone-y fucking character. - Right. - He switches over, when he and Dunnington were making sketches, because Dunnington, the top figure has the comedy thing cornered on Glycer Brooks, so we didn't end up doing it, but Dunnington wanted to, because he was picking out all this weird aspects coming off of Garth Brooks, just for acting and sketch purposes. - Yeah. - But I think that shit is almost definitely Monarch. I mean, he's like a Billy Joel, big level country singer, ain't he? - Yeah, big time, big time. I mean, he's like, he's the one who's responsible for turning country into real country into like this pop bullshit. - Well, guess what? Even when it was real country. I mean, as a few guys, I'm not saying all country singers are on the real deal. By the way, most of my people are talented. But MK Monarch, the idea was sports heroes, musicians, actors. So my generation, I'm Gen X. I mean, that's where they really Monarch down on people. - Jamie. - Now, it's like such a master rollout phase, and I believe it's called Gestalt. I think I'm sure I was going MK retard, like it's not called Gestalt. I was making up a term because I'm like, clearly they don't have to do what they used to do. - Right. - And I know people that's happened to, which I didn't realize it's all after I looked into this shit. - Right. - And I gotta say who? But I talked to you before about this friend of mine, who like has no memories of 4-H-15. - Yeah. - Was a criminal and approached and all of a sudden he's got a lucrative government contract, and they don't have any memories anymore. So something bad happened, and he had small stations here. - So that's where God Brooks is here, okay with that. That Chris Gain thing was so bizarre. - Yeah. - And stupid, and like, I don't know, I have no trouble believing that at all, but I'm not going to deep dive into God's Brooks, but I still remember, and I could be remembering long, Jimmy gets that shirt with their two different colors, and he would sing that song about maybe I'm crazy. I would just nobody beats the risen. They play this music video of God Brooks. - Yeah. - And it's also like, it's like, it's white. - Chess board shit. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Can I ask them? - There's millions of people that this was done to. Millions, but Monarch, it's called a chosen one. If they pick you for it, they went to generational, like, famous families, and I'm used as a catch-all for a lot of dippy-colds. - Yeah. - JR Sweet, I'm going to get on my show, but try to get in, because I hope to get into all this, especially in country music. And when I meet country singers at Wilkins Club, I'm bringing that shit up immediately. (laughing) Charlie Pride, a double version. You know, Robert Bird, the Senator, the Klan Senator, that could play a fiddle real good, hard, gruel or mountain seat, and I got a piece of shit. I used to brag, you know, he used to brag that he owned Larry Bird. That was the little joke he had, he goes, "You know why I own Larry Bird, my name's Bird." - I own him. - You know, Bob is a broken ass fiddle for a former Klan Senator. - Yeah. - 'Cause you ain't sticking out by now, they're all in on together and all the musical acts. - And they all start to unravel at some point, like fucking Britney Spears. - Britney Spears got programmed at Bohemian Grove. And by the way, they kill a real kid in that thing. It's not a wooden boy. It's, I got invited to it, but when I didn't like follow through, and I wouldn't be able to stay for the cremation of carousel ceremony, like if you're somebody like me that gets invited, you'll have to leave before that. - Can I ask a question? I want to ask a question. - That's because I would never stay for that. I would just, you know, and then they sit across the lake or whatever. - Yeah. - A lot of people there, if president have no idea that they're probably getting some kind of attachment to them from having to stick to that. - Right. - And then people are fucked up. I mean, the Epstein thing should, this punk ass country let that Epstein thing go. It's really one forgivable. And the fact that everybody went on, not everybody, I didn't. One black guy at the airport yelled about it. A few people keep it up. Nobody else sent us, let it pass and buy. You're given these devils permission to do way worse. They're sick of hiding what they are. They're gonna do the externalization of the hierarchy soon. And they need to get everybody down to the degraded standard there at. So, for example. - It's going to genocide in Gaza. After you learned about genocide and Holocaust of a life. - Yes. Exactly. - That's what I'm upset about this one. - Right. - That's what I'm trying to say to somebody I'm done. The more degraded and more we are, the more it justifies the prison. That's why they need to make you more, you can't have freedom without some kind of morality. I'm not telling you the religion you gotta have. - Yeah. - I'm saying they want immorality because it justifies prison. They want a good, they'll say the best. The gold, every society is total control. - Yes. - All the rock, the hippie music and all the country music. All that shit. Why do there only three people that make all the beats and back down songs, these stupid singers can't sing. They take that shit. It's like three names that do it all. It's like Scooter, what's your name? - Scooter, Scooter, Braun. - Yeah, that guy. - That's the girl that Taylor Swift tried to get as she got to try to get her shit back from them or whatever. She sued him or whatever. I think Taylor Swift's a sigh out. - Well, of course. But I mean, look, at this point, they spread like, what used to be a chosen one thing. And if you think about it, the story of like, you're the chosen one, very similar to Ancient Egypt with a family. Oh, you're the special one. They trust it's not like an idiot. It's something that these priests have in there. There's a hidden priest class doing this shit. I'm not saying they're priests, I'm saying that's the class. And that's why we mimic Egypt and all this stuff. They want to have a front-facing thing where, like what books, for example, his front personality would be Garth Brooks. And I don't know, Grizzgain wanted to come out and play. Yes. - Yeah, bro. Like what the fuck is it? Like was that his decision? Was that the record label? Apparently that was just his decision. That was at the peak of his country career. He decided to do that shit. - They don't have a handler. I've never been like a Pono set, but Duncan has. And he said, all the pornsters always have like this weird boyfriend flash manager. All that, you know what? It's like a handler. They're really, I don't know who his handler would be, but they always have one. They always have one. - Yeah. And the names pop up again and again. The one that Britney Spears was under, that chick, I forget her fucking name, at least I guess she got like a dude name. - Find out who that was. - Yeah, so that bitch is part of it a hundred percent. They program Britney there. That's why she's like that. - Yeah. - Some Disney kids are like that. - Yeah, I do. Yes. - Like the drama is like supposed to be therapy, but it's not. It's the thing they do where they're hitting certain psychological archetypes. You know, it's supposed to be a therapy, you like hit a pillow and you're like you didn't look at me or whatever that's not. - Mm-hmm. - In real life. For example, I used to have like a little hoffing on my show, "Durbar Curp" and when Kennedy got assassinated, they captured three hobos. And those are supposed to represent the shitty, you know, and three mainstream guys that killed Hiram Abyss. - Mm-hmm. - They have, do they do like a play? They do it like a play. [BLANK_AUDIO] -Yeah. -That's why that's 33 comes up all the time. -Yeah. -You're all psychological triggers. And at the end of the day, that's what this high magic ritual shit is. It's massive psychological operations with like a play. And that's why, you know, white think Americans focus on the dumbest shit in the world all the time. -Right. -You know, I'm sick. You're back in the day if that scene file came out, people would have burned down the White House. -Right, right. -Tack General Washington shit, right? -Can I ask that question? -It's already degraded us. -My guest has a question for you. -Yeah. -Go ahead, Matt. His name's Matt. Here, just, go ahead. -All right. -Matt Cox. He's a former fraudster. -Oh, Matt Cox. What's up, Matt? I see you. -Nice. -It's all about Gordon Maxwell. -Yeah, yeah. -So, I wrote a book about him. Tom Seguras, who talks about Garth all the time. And I wrote it basically because you know that Tom Segura kind of came up with his whole thing. So, I write this whole book. His manager, sorry, his producer tells me 100% he will have you on the show. He loves this stuff. As soon as he goes to him and pitches it, he says that Tom told him, "We're never gonna talk-- I cannot have this guy on to talk about it." In fact, we're not going to be talking about Garth anymore. And he probably got legal for it. No, I don't think-- I'm saying I'm sort of asking you is, who do you think would have approached it? Because listen, he's been doing it for five years. This isn't a legal thing. There's no way he just did-- -I have no idea. I do my show with Duncan in his studio, so I could maybe ask him. But I have no idea. That's odd to drop it suddenly, but it sounds scary. You should to me. I don't know. -Right. Who gets to someone like him and goes up to him and said, "Hey, this is enough all right. Like, your people writing books, it's going to get exposed." And then they shut him down. Like, that's what I'm thinking. Somebody shuts him down. If you can't prove shit, and I mean, it's kind of a serious joke. Now, it's very easy for me to believe because it's a monarchhip, but I could approve it. And if you're big enough and you look like you got money, and somebody, you know, it could have been something like that. I mean, I don't see, like, would have been legal, but I really have no idea. I've never, like, I don't follow his figure. I mean, I got nothing else here to go about. I don't like follow his show. I just did his wife's show. It was pretty fun. Like, I didn't bring it up. I mean, if Universal Music threatened you with some crazy lawsuit, if you ever talk about him again, that I would stop. I would stop. I wouldn't talk about it. Because there could be something that, you know, the people that handle the stuff at their company might have said, don't bring it up, but you know, that's possible. There's any number of people. Five years. He did a Netflix special on it. With live comments and shit right now, right? No, no, we're not live. It's recording, recording. The crazy thing about it is, like, the crazy thing about it is you can go to every single tour date he's ever been to, every single concert he's ever done. And you can find, like, multiple missing people or people that end up dead that are correlating with that. But here's the thing. There's so many of those cases happening all the time. You could do the same shit with Taylor Swift. Yeah, right. It's just confirmation bias. But I mean, still, the guy's a fucking weirdo. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was someone who made a great episode for him, right? So insincere and so shallow affect. Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's something's on it. He's off. He's off. He's definitely off. He's, there's something not right with him. And it's such like, you know, mass pop music and mass appeal country is like such fucking, oh, dude, we, Elvis, we think Elvis was a genuine, not a construct. He gets crafted. Watch the fucking Netflix thing about Elvis is that, you know, he's got the black outfit after he's been gone for a while. Yeah. The famous people, Colonel Brian's talking about it, okay? They got his talking heads. Mm-hmm. So first thing gets, he shakes his hips like a black too much. Yeah. Yeah. That's the story, right? Yeah. He's black and shaking around like that. So then I didn't realize at the time there was no war going on. I assumed it was like career or something, but there wasn't. They were just draft people. It goes to West Germany. Now West Germany at that time, we had installed in a former Nazi to be in charge of it. If I hit the commies, you know, like the Nazis were still in charge there. Mm-hmm. So what's your friends with? And then he meets a general, a general or Colonel's daughter who's 14 or 15 in Priscilla. And meanwhile, that manager, the Tom Hanks played, of course, Tom Hanks, that piece of shit. He plays the manager. Colonel Paul, though, he's not in the military, but he's like probably like dutch or some crazy shit. No, they're not on the run. He keeps his career going while he's gone. Never heard of that. That is Hitler, the whole fucking time. Jesus. There's history. There's a sort of book about how all this is more like he had like, there's some psychic or something. And so they're deep in that country, magic bullshit. Yeah. There's a lot of that, dude. And we already know that the government got way into that. Mm-hmm. Yep. It's all over, it all overlaps with each other. And it's so, it's got, it's, there's something fucking weird about Garth Brooks, a sort of guy. That guy's got to be some sort of an MK Ultra and Manchurian candidate. Yeah. I'll send you the book. You got to do a, you got to do an episode on it. Oh, well, yeah, dude, where are you out there with Florida? What do you do with that? Where do you live? He's like an hour away from me. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm in Wesley Chapel, basically, just north of Tampa. All right. Okay. My girlfriend, um, um, uh, Jasonville. But anyway, I, I do, um, we could do Joe the Copa on any time on Zoom or on a stream yard. And then I do the other one with Duncan, the last one with Duncan, dude, that chick, Debra Jaffee, I had called him. Yeah. Back to one of the first fan, Samuel Jaffees or, uh, ABC reporter, she's came on a show. Now, we have a joke show that won't mean Duncan do, but I can't really shoot it as much as I can. Yeah. Yeah. As much as I can. I'm, um, and I'm talking, and it's like, if you know any rich kids talking about famous people that go up around, it's like talking, I mean, I mean, she's like shitty, she was cool, but she had so much to tell that mocking bird and, um, basically her dad had been Korea. He'd been traumatized. The reason we have this trauma-based mic control is because the British, after World War One at that time, the stock, he was called something else. They were, they noticed that with trauma, you can control people, you can make, uh, behavioral modification. Those hearings. Right. Now that's what they're talking about, behavioral modification. Yep. All those board jumps, the FBI is stitching up every one of those fucking nerd patsys. Mm-hmm. It's fucking sad. The J6 bomber, some autistic black kid that would walk around with a bugle, I mean, we're real sad shit. Yeah. And, um, bomb is crooks. His parents haven't heard much from them. Have you? They're behavioral modification therapists. Whenever you hear that around a low-nut shooter, you know that was a good old CIA. Yeah. So James Holmes, the Joker killer from a Royal Illinois. He had a therapist, a brilliant neuroscience student. When they found him, he was doing the thing from a taxi driver, you know, where he's like, but he had a gun. He's going to click, click, click. And there's no bullets left. Yeah. Yeah. They call it a magazine. The streets just, the homeless, there's a bunch of homeless that does that, but you always say there's, there's like two to conserve that much, and you probably 50 million people are so been put for that shit, and you'll never, you'll never know until they pop off. Right. That's like that scary, dude. Yeah, they're just, they're just like sleeper cells, just taking time, bombs. Yeah. Yeah. Rust is dark. It was like a heavy Bible, but very useful information because he was with these people working with them. Because remember the satanic panic? Mm-hmm. He's covered for the shit they were doing. Right. Right. After operation, Phoenix and Vietnam, where they had serial killers, murder people, those people came back. And then also, and we had a serial killer wave, remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was perfect. I will, I will. I will. Thanks, Kurt. Later, bro. Yeah. Then I'm going to show up here one day. I'm just going to be like, Kurt knows it all, bro. This guy. Is he a comedian, right? Oh, yeah. He was one of the writers for the Chappelle Show. Yeah. And then I'm going to show up here one day. I'm just going to be like, yeah. Kurt knows it all, bro. This guy. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah. He's, he's fucking. He's. He's on it. Mm-hmm. But he's, but that shit's totally, that shit's got to be real. This almost looks like makeup. What does? The old guy, the old black guy? Oh. That almost looks like, he almost looks like a wig. Yeah. Well, you, you, he was talking about that Joker, the Joker killer. Oh god. Do you know about that? Well, I don't know much. I watched a, there's a guy on a psychologist who does psychological profiles on the evil. Yes. On YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. It's so cool. And he did one on him. And I'm pro. It came out of nowhere. Came, I mean, he, he does the whole thing. He's like, like, he's not talking about this. He's not, I mean, it's just a little, and he's seen a psychiatrist. The whole thing in just one day, he's, or anybody's slowly doing this, putting things together and then one day, boom, he walks in full fucking, swat gear and everything with the fucking, and with the, puts on the mask and everything just starts killing people. And then after he does that, I'm sorry, the middle of the Joker, pull up the Joker killer. And then he's, he's, so he's gotten in swat gear. He's basically almost walks out. He almost gets out of the building because they think is a swat, like, he's one of the officers. Right. It's amazing. It's crazy. I mean, nobody saw it coming. It's not like you can look back and say, look, somebody should have seen this. This guy's been doing crazy shit for a while now. Yeah. So they're just now doing these new hearings in front of the Congress last few days on the MK Ultra stuff. Have you seen any of that? No. So they got Tom O'Neill, who was the guy who wrote this chaos book. So Tom O'Neill, he started writing an article for a publication that he was a journalist for in the '90s. He was '95, '96, whatever he was doing like a 30 year, '50 year, I forget how many years it was, anniversary on the Manson murders. And he was just commissioned to work on it, and he started doing it, and he started learning so much. I mean, he's so many people. He's like, oh my god, he's like, I never expected to find this. He's like, I need an extension. Because this story is way deeper than I thought it was. And he kept doing that, and it became a couple of years. It went so far to where the fucking company he worked for was like, we're not paying for this anymore. You've been doing this for way too long. So they fired him. He kept all the research that he was doing. Took it away from the company, had a lawsuit with the fucking publication that he's working for. Bankrupted himself, fighting that lawsuit, and kept working on that story, following the pulling on the threads for 10 years. And he ended up writing a book on it. He found out all the people that were connected to Charles Manson at the parole officer. This dude was like, literally getting let out a prison every single time. He would commit federal crimes. He'd be on parole. He'd be crossing state lines, stealing cars, getting let out a prison, going into prison and then getting let out when his probation officer should have kept him in. Now, this is when they dose. No, no, I'm not talking about this guy. No, I'm talking about the guy that went into the, it was the Joker movie. Oh. No, this guy is Wade Wilson, no, no, no, no. This is the Joker movie. The guy walks in. This guy. This guy. James Holmes. Yeah. He walked into the movie, yeah, and full like swatgear and start shooting people. And then he's got a gas mask and everything that he puts on and tries to walk right out. And does really kind of walk right. Look at him. Yeah. He was insane. Yeah, totally nuts. He sees it coming as much as odd as he was. Find some reporting on him. Like, it's not like he talked to anybody about it. He just put the whole thing together and just did it one day. I mean, people did he kill, is it five or 10, something like that? Shot 12 people, wounded 70. Oh, no, he was, he was, so he killed 12 people and wounded seven. That's not him, is it? Yeah. Wow, he looks so different now. Completely dressed in like swatgear, right? Like, like a police officer. So you thought he was a, so everybody thought. They were kind of screaming and running and even the cops when they show up and everything, they think is a police officer initially. Then they realized like something's wrong. Like the gear doesn't quite match up. And they're like, oh, this might be a suspect. So yeah, this is the guy I watched. No, the other guy was just a piece of shit. The guy with the Joker tattoos and everything. Yeah. Yeah. But look at that guy. Look at his eyes, dude. That guy didn't even look dangerous. He looks like he's just a weirdo. You know, you know, you know, who also was dosed. The weirdo's are the most dangerous ones. They are the quiet guy in the corner. Yeah. So that's what America is now, by the way. The guy that was dosed and you know, the unibomber, you know, Ted Kaczynski, you know, he was fucking same thing. I don't know if it's in K ultra people. I think he was part of it. Yeah. But they, it was confirmed. I think he was part of that. They put him through, they put him in a bunch of people in, I think I don't know if it was MIT or where it was that he was a student, but they put him through all kinds of psychological hell. And I know where they dosed him with LSD and was he a part of ML, ultra, I don't know. He was. Look it up. Type in Ted Kaczynski Unibomber Harvard research. Listen, wait till, wait till Pete comes on. Yeah. So, okay. So the researcher between 59 and 62, 16 year old Kaczynski and other Harvard undergraduates were subject to unethical experiments led by psychology professor Henry Murray. What kind of tests were done on him? Trying to test emotional responses to extreme stress and psychological derests. The tests involved aggressive interrogations. Students were subject to severe verbal abuse and had their personal beliefs intensely dismantled in an effort to break their egos. MK Ultra Connection, Murray's experiments were allegedly funded by or closely aligned with CIA's MK Ultra program, which sought to develop methods of mind control and chemical interrogation. While many documents were destroyed by most of the worst documents were destroyed, we only have a few left by the CIA in the 73 by Richard Helms during surviving records point to heavily overlapping methodology. Yeah. The CIA was doing all kinds of shit, throwing shit at the wall with drugs and people and unwitting civilians and lots of fucking innocent people died because of it. And a lot of the biggest cases, the stuff was right there happening behind the scenes. So you know who Luigi Manjones, who Pete's work right in a book right now about it, fucking. He's got a take on it that's so amazing. What's his take? Oh god. First of all, I didn't know half the shit he knows. He's got it just, he's really laid it out, but basically his take is, I don't know if he wants me to say, but let's give him a tease. Yeah. It's basically, it's a vague, it's, do you know what, what an auditor is? Like a tax auditor? No, no, like the, it's the auditor movement. Auditor movement. So what people most, most connected to is these guys that they put on body cameras and everything and they'll go into like a government building and just kind of hang out there. And then somebody, some employee comes and says, what are you doing here? And they ask them to leave and they're like, I don't have to leave. What's your name? Why don't I have to give my name? And then they'll call the cops. And the cops will show up and they'll be like, what are you doing here? There's so many of them at this point that the cops already know they show up and they tell them to leave. And then they, they're like, I don't have to leave. It's a government building. You can't ask me to leave. I don't have to identify myself and I don't have to tell you why I'm here. All right. So the first amendment, first amendment auditing is primarily American, of course, social movement that involves photographing or filming in a public, publicly funded space. It's often categorized by its practitioners known as auditors, as activism and citizen journalism to test constitutional rights. Right. Yeah. So this is the most common theory or most common known, but they're just, they're just being assholes, right? And they're in there. Yeah. Kind of, but it's also pushing the, it's like a guy walking around with a gun and the cops will. So what do you got that gun? I'm allowed to have the guy. And then then that you realize, like, remember the guy, the fisherman with the armed fisherman. Oh, yes. I pull up, but the truth is, I'm allowed to have it and you are, you should know it. But he'd be walking around with like a fucking AK 47 minute lead and he's allowed to have it. So he's trolling. He's trolling and he's getting views. He is, but he's not doing, what he's not, was it when he's not illegal? Of course not. So I, so when these people get upset about it, it's like, okay, but it's not a lead, like stop. Like the cops should know better. You should know. I'm allowed to go in the post office and hang out if I want and video testing the law enforcement. Exactly. Yeah. My father's me is when they're assholes, like you could tell the cop what your name is. But the fisherman guy was not an asshole. No, he's always very polite. Very respectable polite. He's like, he knows exactly what he's doing. He's like, I know the law. I know where I'm, you know, try to get him on my podcast, by the way, I've reached out. I mean, I mean, we've made, we've sent emails and everything. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I think we try to contact him too. He's in Florida, I think, right? So I, why not have him on? Find out the, look at the armed fisherman. Find out where he lives. If he's still, if he's still active. So auditing, tell me about this auditing, so the larger picture of auditors are guys that, and by the way, typically maybe not the numb skulls that are doing this shit. But the larger form is that these are people that are, are, they believe that the system so broken, you have to do a reset. And the way to reset the system is you can't do it by going through the government. What you really need to do is take out the people at the top. And that will reset the people that are making the major decisions that are destroying America or whatever are the, are the CEOs. This is what Pete's found. There are so many, Luigi's not the first one. There's tons of, he's got like 10 or 12 examples, so many that the FBI has actually got a group or, um, they've actually got a unit put together that studies these things that are actually taking it seriously and tracking these people because so many of them are setting warehouses on fire or killing fucking, that they caught a guy outside the house of a CEO where he was going into kill. Did you know Luigi had a list of like a dozen people CEOs that he was going to kill? No. Oh, bro, it's insane. Luigi was fine. You find this. Yeah. It's, it's a mate. He's got this whole explanation, by the way, these guys are all brilliant. Like Luigi's a fucking genius. Oh, he seems very intelligent. All these guys are super intelligent. And one of them, what they believe is, I think they call them the alpha is where it kind of, one of the, the main ones that started this movement, Ted Kaczynski, the, the, the, the correlation between Kaczynski and fucking Luigi, bro, it's so insane. The way Pete's put this thing together when he, when he come, like he's going to come and do the podcast, when he does it, you're going to, it'll blow your mind. He'll lay it out in such a way you're going to just be like, holy shit. This is fucking, not only that, it's a movement and it's a dangerous movement. Like it's, it's a reset for the country. This idiot just happened to fucking pull his mask down, like a jackass to flirt with some girl and he got himself caught. Otherwise, I think we'd probably be looking at eight or 10 fucking CEOs that got murdered before all these FBI guys come in and start protecting him, he can't get to him anymore. But I mean, that's the kind of thing and, and if you, and Pete has the actual moment when he became, I forget what he called him. calls it, like he became aware. It's a, it's a, he's got a whole thing. - Where he became aware. - Like aware that this is a problem that has to be fixed and this is the only way to fix it. So. - So is this like an awakening? - Is this like an organized cult? - No, it don't necessarily have to know everybody, but if you look into them, they all have the same. No, they're not communicating necessarily. - Because he seemed like a very, you know, if you look at his photos, he was like traveling, surfing, he had a really bad back issue. - In Thailand? - Yeah. - Yeah, I want to explain exactly what happened and the Thailand thing is an issue. - What was the Thailand? - I'll tell you, come on, I'm already, Pete's already gonna be irritated. I said too much. - That's okay. - No, it's not. - He's speaking with no. - Just tell me the time. - No, I love Pete. - Don't get me excited. - This is only gonna help Pete. - It's not gonna help. - Oh really? He's not gonna, he's not gonna talk about this? - He is gonna talk about it, but he needs his book to, he wants his book to be out. - I see. - We're helping Pete. - It's gonna be amazing. Pete's book is gonna be amazing. - Yeah. - It is. You're gonna, listen, he's gonna sit down with you. You're gonna go, this is fuck, and listen to the, so there's a connection with Thailand and Luigi that's. - Well, no, he was, he was in Thailand. I'm saying that there's a whole thing. - Luigi was. - Yeah, Luigi was in Thailand. He was traveling all over the place. - Right, right. - You know, Boziac just got his visa in Thailand. - No. - Yeah, he's going back from Cambodia. He's going back to Thailand. He got a five-year visa. He got approved. - Oh, wow. He's like a, dating some little shimale out there, right? - No, he'll, she'll be gone. He'll get a new one in Thailand. They're interchangeable. - Right, right. - You can just, you pick them up for two months, and then you just get a new one. - Right. - As soon as they get attached and they start getting crazy, he just says-- - What did you find about his list of CEOs, Steve? - I, I can't seem to find the actual list, but I have-- - Well, let's see what you Google search. - But he did have a list, correct? - Yeah, he did have a list. I think they didn't post it because of obvious-- - Of course. - Of course. - Okay, what does this say? - There police warned the US health executives of a heightened risk of their lives after identifying an online hit list, posted in the wake, in the last, in the wake of the last week's assassination of the United Hellcare CEO, Brian Thompson. Listen, there's more and more of these guys all the time. - All the time. - Whatever happened with Luigi? - He's still, he's about to go to trial. - I thought he was going to trial a while ago. - No, no, so there's a federal case, and there's a federal and a state case. So the federal case, they were trying, in order for them to give him the death penalty on the federal case, they had to prove that stalking, and apparently they couldn't prove that he was stalking. Now, how they couldn't convince a jury or a judge that this guy was stalking the CEO. He knew where he was, where he lived, where he was going to be. He was stalking, it may have been cyber stalking, but he didn't know where he was going to be. Stocked him, waited for him. - Well, he walked that killer. - I mean, he walked that killer. - How hard is it to find that, you know, he knows where he works, this-- - But he wasn't even there. He was at a convention. - Oh, that wasn't, that wasn't in front of the United Health Care Building. - No, he, no, I don't think so. No. - I thought it was. - Was it, I think he was at a, he was at a, he was at the, it was the bean counter. That's why Louise, he puts it. He's at the bean counter, whatever, they were having a meeting. And so he knew he would be there 'cause he was gonna speak at the meeting. Was it at the United Health Care Office? I don't know. But. He's walking into the United Health Group Investor Conference. - Okay, yeah, conference, not that so it was a conference. I don't think it was the building. So it was a conference where they, they all pat themselves on the back about how much money they'd made. So I think he was staying at a hotel and he kind of knew he was at the hotel and when he waited for him to come out and then he saw him and he tells him. But he knew where he was, he wanted him. That stalking. Either way, they couldn't give him that, for some reason they couldn't give him the federal death penalty. But keep in mind Pete went through the same thing. They wanted to give Pete the federal death penalty. - Really? - He also knew Kaczynski by the way. He was like, oh, bro, you can't even book, this book's gonna be so fucking amazing. - Pete met Kaczynski. - Not only met him. He talked with him every day for months and months. Pete was the orderly in federal death row and he could tell him multiple, there were multiple guys on death row at the time and he would go there and he'd bring the books. - Pete were seen. - Yeah. - He'd bring them books, he'd talk to them. There were only shitty books like from like James Patterson and shit and they got, and so he gave him books that Pete had, like philosophy books and would give them to him because he didn't want to read any of the other books and he was like, you know, he'd give them to books on theories on things he'd like, oh, there's a great book. Thank you so much. And they had conversations and everything. Because Pete was on death. Remember Pete went through the whole process also. - Moller, why was it to give him? - He was on death row, I remember now 'cause Pete hit a body in a dumpster or something, right? - Yeah. - Two. - Moller, but Moller wanted to give him the death penalty, but he, they couldn't prove whatever the criteria is. He didn't meet it so they took him off. But in the same, either way, he was still in that unit so they made him an orderly. And so he took care of the guys that were on death row. He's like, he never left the fucking cell. I would walk, I'd get him, you know, you get him stuff, right? Like, hey man, do you have any books? Sure, he's go get the book card and go, what kind of books are they giving to him? He didn't like any of the books. Dude, the Ted Kaczynski, his childhood was just, it's so tragic what happened to him. Like, so when he was born, he was something happened to him where he was like sick or something when he was born. And for like the first year of his life, he was in the hospital and never saw his parents. - Really? - Never around his mother or anything like that. He didn't have any sort of motherly or fatherly figure. Like, imagine that like the first year of your life, having zero connection to a parent or to your mother. - Why? What does it do? - What does it do? - Find that out, find out what happened in the first year of Ted Kaczynski's life where he was in the hospital. - It was definitely a strange guy. - Yeah, I think that was a huge part of it though. Because I feel like there's some really important wiring that happens to you when in the first year, for you months to a year of your life when you're a baby, when you develop that attachment to, you know, your mother or specific. - Right. - What do you got Steve? - Okay, at approximately nine months old, he was hospitalized for several weeks due to a severe allergic reaction covering his body during the hospitalization. He was held in strict isolation with minimal contact with his parents. His parents were only permitted to visit him for a few hours every other day. His mother, Wanda, described that he was scream and reach out for her as the nurses pushed her out of the room. Upon returning home, his parents observed that he had completely shut down. It became detached and emotionally withdrawn. And for a time refusing to make eye contact or smile. So it doesn't sound like it was dramatic as I made it sound. - Sounds pretty dramatic. - Well, I thought it was like the first entire year of his life. But this says, how long was it? And it was only at nine months old. They put him in the hospital. I thought it was from birth for like the first nine months. - Yeah. - I get stuff wrong all the time. - Can you scroll up? Approximately nine months old, he was hospitalized. Okay. Yeah. Well, anyways, that had a huge part of it, I'm sure. And then when you add the fucking Harvard MK Ultra tests on him at 16 years old. - He's 16. Who the fuck? - That doesn't make-- - That's how brilliant is this guy's at Harvard at 16 years old. - That doesn't make things any better. - No. Well, I mean, it obviously had some-- - So does Pete think that Manjioni had any sort of like MKL to brainwashing should happen to him? - I have no idea. I don't know. No, it's talking to you anymore about this. Nobody got too much out of it. - Well, I'm too. I'm very interested in that. - I want to know. - You got to talk to Pete. But we got to wait for Pete. Pete's gonna do, he's gonna do your show. - When's he gonna finish this damn book? - Nobody's listening. I agree, he's working on it. - So he was on death row. - Yeah. - Federal. Not even state. They just made it. - I remember back in the day, me and you did a whole podcast on this. I think we did two episodes on this whole story. This was a huge story. - Yeah. - He's got it. - This was the whole Mueller investigation and the drugs. - Yep. - Yeah. - We wrote a whole book on it. - Yeah. - Very interesting. - We did a ton of podcasts back in the day. - I know. - In that original studio. - Yeah. - 'til I got old. - People don't like me anymore. You moved into a whole new realm. - Yeah. But yeah, man, I don't know that Garth Brooks thing. That's just too fucking weird, man. I feel like there's gonna be some sort of thing because to classify it about him in the future in our lifetime, where we learn. - Well, he's been sued right now by his hairdresser for, you know, scraping or. - Oh really? - Yeah. - Was that, when did that happen? - Like a year and a half ago. - Yeah. - Punched it up, pull it up. - Hairdresser. - Hairdresser, huh? He groped her. - Yeah. - Former hairdresser, makeup artist, stylist for Garth Brooks, and Tisha Yearwood, identified in court documents as Debra Wingo. - 2021. - Great name. Followed a civil lawsuit against him in 2024, accusing him of sexual assault and battery. Oh god. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, she's got super graphic. - This guy says fucking demon, dude. - Well, it's just an accusation. We don't know if it's true. It's probably a money grab. That's what he's saying. She's just trying to want money. - Which is probably true. - She says she has text messages and all kinds of stuff, but who knows? - Yeah. - Yeah, there's so much weird stuff. - I wonder why he hasn't been settled yet. Like, or is he gonna go to trial? He'll go to trial, by the way. He'll go to trial. - He's been sued multiple times by people saying he ripped them off or he did this or did that. He goes to trial. Like if you sue him, he wants you to know, - Yeah, you're going to trial, we're not settling. - You're going to trial. - Right, so. - Yeah, there is something, Kurt's right, there is something super disingenuous about him. - Yeah, he seems like a constructed character. - Even the Garth book, not just the Chris Gains thing, but the Garth book, the whole Garth book's thing seems concocted. - Yeah, in general, he's an odd guy. He's one of those guys that everybody else in the room laughs at something, and then he realizes they're laughing, and then he goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah." - It's psychopath. - It's super phone. - Like Dexter. - Yeah, it's super phone. - Like Dexter. - Yeah. - Where you're just trying to fit in, you're trying to fake it, fake being a real human being with empathy and emotions and normal emotions. - Something all right. - No, it makes sense, like he has the demeanor and psychopathy to for sure be a serial killer. - You know what's essentially an operation on our serial killer? Is that Sagarra has mentioned the book twice. He went on like-- - Your book? - Yeah, on other podcasts, I think he went on flagrant and mentioned it, and then he went on another program. - Same thing, he mentions the book again. He's like, they bring up Garth, he goes, "Well, you know, a guy wrote a book." He's trying to deflect everything on the me now. - Yeah. - He's like, "Well, you know what, he's trying to make you the guy." Yeah, he's like, "You know this guy wrote a fucking book about a deer, are you serious?" He says, "Yeah, yeah, this guy, Matt Cox, and then the other guy goes, "Oh, yeah, that's what's funny." He's like, "Oh yeah, yeah, I know this guy." He's like, "He was in prison or something, right?" And they're like, "Yeah, yeah." And then they show the book, and he talks for a couple of minutes, "Oh, he talked about it once on flagrant." And the other one, he talked about it was two bears. - He has another podcast with him. - Yeah, one cave, something. - Yeah, two bears, one cave. So they talked about it also, but they mentioned it a couple times. Didn't help with book sales, I'll tell you that. - But anyway, it was funny. - He's very aware. - Yeah. - Just not gonna, he's just not gonna help me out. - I wonder if Garth Brooks is a Scientologist. I would not be surprised. You know, there's so many big stars like that, and like, and celebrities. - You find out that they're. - Is he a Scientologist? You know Stephen. - No, no, no. - But I agree with you. - But he, doesn't he fit, doesn't he fit the MO of like the people that- - Wow, you're pretty close, aren't you, to a Scientologist? - We're very close. - We have a Scientology audience. - Physical proximity, not like, I mean. - I don't talk about Scientology, I'm his podcast. I don't say anything negative about Scientology. Scientology is wonderful. Scientology is all the top remote viewers from the CIA or Scientologists. - You know, you know Andrew Smith-Levin. - I got a visit from the Scientology. - Oh, oh, oh, Smith Levin. - Yeah, they threw him in jail recently. - I saw that. - Yeah. - I saw it. You know what, he texted me like two days ago. I haven't read it yet. - It got buried. - It's two days ago. - No, I get so many fucking messages every day, especially when I'm doing podcasts. I'll have like, 30 fucking messages for people, and I'll be like, okay, I sit in the back of my mind. I gotta respond to them. I'll respond to them by the end of the week, but it's just a spot. - I respond to some. It's funny how many, if I start scrolling, looking for somebody, and I realize, like, Jesus, there's a bunch of them. - I know, that happens to me every fucking all the time. - Like, oh, I should've been worse. This is a week ago, two weeks ago, three weeks ago. - Yeah, me and Steve were just talking, every time me and Steve talking, like, hey, what happened? We should reach out, we should have this guest back on. I'm like, oh, you're right, let me call him up. I go to our texts, I have like four missed texts from him. - We did that like two days ago. - Two days ago. - Like two days ago. - Oh, I feel like such a piece of shit when I had this people. - I know, it's hard. It is hard, people are like, you know what, who talks, did you or that? - I understand, but bro, you have to know what, in a week I get 100 and some odd texts. I mean, every one of them requires attention, I can't do it. - Plus, like I said, I've got 10 projects going on. - Yeah, exactly. So, my only other project is, I'm gonna start fishing a lot. - Fishing. - Yeah. I'm gonna start doing a lot more fishing. I might retire the podcast, it's be a fisherman. I'm just gonna go fishing. - You know who says he's gonna retire his podcast, all the time, Johnny Mitchell. He's always like, I'm just, I think I'm done. I think, I'm like, what are you fucking doing? You got 1.4 million, 1.5 million subscribers. What are you talking about, you're done. He's like, you know, I just, first of all, he goes, my fans hate me. (laughing) - Why did they hate him? - They just hate him. - My fans, my listeners hate you. Oh, I'm sure, remember the last podcast? - They used to love me and hate him. - Yeah, that's the one I didn't know. - That's right. - They liked me more now. - That's upsetting. - That's because you're just like a, you know, you're a narrative follower. You believe the government. - I believe everything is, yeah. - You eat from the government trough. That's why, God, wake up, bro. - So, yeah, so Johnny Mitchell says that all the time. I was like, what are you talking about, bro? Like, what are you gonna do? And what he wants to do is he's moving back to LA. He's like, I'm gonna move back to LA and I wanna start doing comedy. And I'm like, that's cool, you know? If whether he's gonna move or not or just stay in Austin, I think we talked about him staying in Austin and just doing comedy out there, but he had to be out there all the time. Apparently it's a big, I always felt like you. - I wonder, yeah, I don't know much about. I know it's obviously opened up a lot more since COVID, but I know it was like, everyone was like leaving LA during COVID. All the comedians were leaving there and going to different places like New York and not so much New York with Texas. - I thought a ton of people. - The comedy scene in Florida has blown up since COVID, you know, like the side splitter's place. They're always getting really big comics there. All the time. - Oh man, I'm going to, I'm going tonight. - I know you are. It's not places awesome. - You know where I just came back from, crime con. - What the fuck is that? - Crime con. - Is it in Vegas? - It was in Vegas, but they have it in Orlando. They have it every, they have like two a year. I think they have two a year, maybe one a year, but two a couple of years. It's like a Comic Con, you know, but it's crime con. And so you go there and, you know, it's okay. It's not great, like for me, it's not great. What it is is it's a bunch of 45-year-old women that have started podcasts on true crime. And a bunch of people that have organizations where they're looking for somebody. And it's a bunch of people that, and it's a bunch of retired detectives that wrote a book. And there's no criminals. Like if you, if I go and say, "Hey, I want a booth." And they look into me, they'll be like, and by the way, I only know this 'cause we've done it multiple times. And if you go there, there's nobody has a booth that was a former criminal, none. They keep all, and if you go up, - Those things are on money grabs, those things. - Oh, absolutely. And if you go up and you talk to some women, you're like, "Oh, so you talk about serial killers?" They're like, "Yes, but we don't glorify them." We talk about, we talk a lot about the victims. And it's just like, "Okay, calm the fuck down." Like, and it's like, "I get it, but you're talking about Dahmer." - Why do fucking women have this obsession with, like, - 90% of crime con, 90% were-- - Oh yeah. - 90, I mean, you can see it in the image. - Yeah, look at this. Look at all the purple hair and the green hairs and the-- - Yeah. - And listen, I'd say 50% of those women-- - Maybe good-looking women, or are they all just like-- - They're like lesbians, like 50% of them are like-- - Really? - Yeah, that's how the 10% are dragging their boyfriends. That's the way you only get 10%. You can see the guys walking around like, "Oh my God." And honestly, it takes, it would take you all of a day to really experience everything, and they have it for like four days. Like, I get it, you're trying to milk people for 450 bucks, but come on. - Yeah. - And then I've applied, we've had three different times, not one time have I ever been chosen, or even had a response from them. Like, we're going, we're checking out the different podcasts. - You like color, they want, they want like serial killers. - No, they don't want serial, they want people to talk about them. What they don't want is somebody who has a criminal-- - We're assuming on that front row, that woman in the green shirt, that's as far as it goes. - Oh, God, do you have a serious? - No, I can, I can do it. - I can do it. - Yeah, come on. - Technology, there we go. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, that's it. - Punching even harder. Look at those first two ladies. - That. - The three, the three in the center. That is the face of crime, of crime con. - That is. - Or the woman in the second row-- - Look at the woman on the far left in the green with her hands up praying. - Yeah, look at the one in the far, and the right with the tats. See the tats? - There's a lot of those purple lipstick. - What is that? - Yeah. - It's rough. It's all women and one old man, a two old man. I see two old, literally 90% women. It was insanity. - Weird. So what happens is you're walking around and you're looking, and you're looking at the booths. - These people are all just looking for some sort of purpose. - It's like 45 year old women that are running a podcast, and you look them up and you're like, this person has 150 subscribers, or this person has 1100 subscribers. Like, how are you here? I put in a request, I put in a request, and I'm saying I'll pay for my booth. - You would think it would help them if you were on there, right? - Right, 1.1 million subscribers, and you can't return an email, and it's not one. We've done it three times. I can't get a fuck off. You won't even say fuck off. - That's wild. - It's insanity. So Colby did it three times. I've done it once, Jess has done it once. It was really five times. We've made requests, nothing. Now, the first time I went, you know what we did? We sent in an email and said that I was a writer for Inside True Crime magazine, and we wanted to write an article. We'd like to know if they could provide us with two free tickets, and they gave us two free tickets. They responded, though, with the request for, and it listed, it's 100% because-- - Bless you. - It's 100% because we have, there's no criminals. You go through the whole thing. There's not one person there that's a criminal. They talk about criminals. - Maybe they don't like your Trump what? - It's not me. It's anybody. If anybody, if any criminal were to go to them and say I want a booth, they'd say no. I even, my offer was, hey, you have guest speakers. I'd be willing to be a guest speaker. Didn't even respond. They looked you up, and they're like, oh, no. This guy's like, "Oh, we're not going to know now." So whoever's running it is just fucking doing a horrible thing. like they really missing, they're really missing the boat. - You should start your own crime conversation. - That's what I'm saying. There needs to be an alternative. - You gotta find a way. I'm sure you can figure out a way. - I already talked to that shit. - He's working on it right now. - I know, I know. - He wants to call it. - He's calling it verdict. - Turn into an MLM. You could partner up with Patrick Betvalier. - I do it in MLM. (laughing) But yeah, there should be an alternative where you have nothing but criminals. All guys with podcasts that have criminals, all guys that have written, you get all the, tell you, that's where it's at. - Oh yeah, you could put up a fucking gray line up on the crime conference. - I know. - With all the people you know, you've written about, you get emperor to be the headliner. - You could have Ian Bick, you could have Johnny Mitchell, you could have JD Delay, you could have, you could have all these guys come in and do. You know, some of these guys could even do speaking, engagement, they could speak, they could, yeah, you could have guys that run classes on how to turn your shitty 400 subscriber, shitty YouTube channel, where you use a 245 year old woman that are doing YouTube, how to turn it into an actual podcast that does well. - We gotta stop encouraging podcasts. We need less podcasts. - Well, I mean, I think it's so hot, you realize that 90% of people that start a podcast don't make it past their second or third episode. And now the remaining 90% don't make it past, I think it's 10 episodes. - Why? - What do you think that is? - I think that they all think I'm gonna put out an episode, they don't realize the cost involved, right? 'Cause they can't do it themselves, so they hire someone and they realize, okay, well, it's 400 bucks an episode for an hour episode. They do the episode, they upload it, and they think it's gonna blow up and it gets 45 views. And then they do another one and they go, okay, well, we can't keep this up and they stop. They don't really think it through. And then some people go, no, I'm all in. And they do 10 episodes and then they go, yeah, I'm done. I mean, it's been 10 episodes, it's been two months, I'm doing this every month, and they don't realize that that's what YouTube does. It wears you down over the course of- - But there's also people who, like, I know people who started a podcast like two years ago and are now bigger than my podcast, at least on YouTube. - That's, you know. - Whatever happened to Matt Bell. - Oh, he's still out there? - I know, I saw, I pulled up his podcast the other day. - Yeah. - I suggested somebody to him. - Oh, yeah, yeah, he's still doing this stuff. He's down in Sarasota. - No. - Doing his podcast. Have you seen him though? - No, I don't see him in person. - No, no, have you seen him on the podcast? - No, why? - He got a new haircut, he got a very cool haircut. - Oh, really? - Not the old haircut, and he's jacked. - Oh, wow. - He's definitely on TRT. - Oh, wow. - Look at him. - Good for him. - Yeah, he's, yeah, you gotta look at him. - Good, I'm glad he's doing a glow up. - Yeah, he's, yeah. - As one does, that's what you're supposed to do. Get jacked, get a gootie, and what else did he do? - What do you get, what do you get a Mohawk shot, kind of like a cool haircut, like a cool stylish haircut, where before he went? - Good for him. Matt Bell. I love that guy. - Yeah. - He's collecting all those ancient faces, you know that. - Look at the haircut. - Did you see his faces? - Oh, he added a goatee to his logo, or was that always there? - No, well look, he's got to go tee on his, on him too. - Yeah. - But did he also add the goatee to the logo? - Then he used to have the goatee on the logo, I don't know if I remember that. - Yeah, he's got a great show. He has a lot of, we've got a bunch of our guests from his show. - Yeah. - No, bro. - Wow, he looks totally different. - No, look at the city. - No, look, that's not a, that can't be a new one. I saw them, I saw, there's photos of, four hours ago. - Four hours ago. - Image, good at images. - Images. Matt Bell, images, like Google Images? - No, don't you have, it'll be like, there's images. You can click on images. I don't know where, oh, you're in YouTube, I'll never mind, sorry, I thought you were in Google. - Yeah. - Google Images, there might be great images of him, but he's funny how many people, it's funny how many people in the whole archeology space are like, they bicker about what the truth is about archeology and about like the history of humanity and ancient civilizations. It's like, it's so funny because the whole point of, I had this, I had someone on here recently. I think it was Heather Lynn was explaining to me that like, yeah, right there, that's the one. That's it. But I'm saying he's jacked, that's a bad haircut, but yeah, he has, I saw some picture of him where he's got like a cool haircut. He started working out. - That's awesome, man. I love to see it. - Yeah. - All the guys with the, I know, the, yeah, people love to fight and he has debates on this on his show. And people that like to debate on like what the truth is about the pyramids or like these ancient bases and stuff that they're studying. He has like all those granted bases that he paid a lot of money for on the, on the black market or not the black market, in the antiquities market. But like one of the funny things about archaeologies is not like a, it's not like a, a hard science. It's like a soft science, right? Because it's like, all archaeology, it's based on, it's based on stories. And it relies on so much human storytelling to, to explain it, right? It's not like a, it's like a, it's kind of like psychology. It's a soft science. It's not like a strictly hard science that you can measure and weigh and test and stuff like that. A lot of it depends on like previous narratives and like subject to interpretation. It's all subject to interpretation. And that's why, you know, I mean, people fight about regular hard science as well, but that's why there's such like a crazy disparity in personalities and belief systems around archaeology because people can be corrupted by what they believe because it like, some of it will tie like to their religion or to their culture or to whatever they learned in school or, you know, they're okay. So I did, I interviewed, did you interview Elizabeth Carson? Is that Billy Carson's wife? Yeah. No. X-wife. No, I didn't. Yeah, yeah. Both. 234. You had her on. Thousand. Subscribe. I'm aiming to fuse. Yeah. Oh my God. Listen. You see what happened to Billy Carson with his, his debate with that West Huff guy? Yeah. He can only, he's got her under pretty good, really, yeah, she can't talk about. He's an interesting guy. Yeah. But she's actually kind of interesting too. She just started a podcast also. She's trying to, I mean, he used to do these tours of the great pyramids in Egypt and he post on his Instagram. Like he'd be walking behind his wife, climbing up the pyramid and he'd like to be filming her ass as she's climbing up, like trying to sell it like, very weird. You know, he's, you know, he's one of those guys, he's, is there valuable information in what he's saying and is there some truth to what he's saying? Yeah. Of course there is, but like, he's also monetizing it to death, you know, and he's also trying to sell tons of books and make tons of money. Does that mean he's completely a full like full of shit, like liar and doing this as like a trying to con people? I don't think so. Yeah, you can, you can, you can do both. You can do both. You can do both. You can do both as many people do. And people in the highest levels of society do. Well, she's interesting. I mean, she's, she's in, like, I, for her to have gotten those views on my, on my channel, like 230,000 for somebody who doesn't really, what is their podcast about? She talks, oh, I don't know, it's, I, so it's, it's kind of, it's not, it's not UFOs, it's more spirituality and, and, but it's, it's just, you know, it's kind of an offset, slightly different offset of people that have had religious experiences and, and some of them, I'm sure are, are, you know, alien related and stuff, but I don't think she's leaning into that too much. But I'm sure her podcasts will do great. She's, she's a personality in and of herself. She's very attractive. She's articulate. I'm sure if she sticks with it, she'll do very well. I'm actually going to do her show, I think in like a week or so, I drive down there to do her show. It's in, is it Fort Lauderdale? No, she still lives down there. Yeah. Um, but she talks about, it's not just like archeology too, but like the, all the religious stuff. Right. That gets all, that's all open to interpretation as well. You know, that's, that, that's as much of a science, like religion is the same thing as archeology. Right? There's certain things you can figure out with archeology, like, like, like radio carbon dating stuff to find out if there's any like biological elements of things and stones or like, you could sort of like judge like if there's human remains or animal remains or like wood, you can carbon days, you can figure out roughly how old structures were and like corroborate that with other archeology or, you know, like agriculture and stuff like that and like shipwrecks and, but it's just like, it's such a, we have such a, like a, a vague blurry picture of the past. It's Shannon Maldonado, the founder of the Artesan Institute of Technology, and the University of the University. It's a very popular shopper because the students and teachers are very interested in the development of the new development of the new building. I was also interested in the development of the new building. All the buildings that were built were built by the university, including the National University of Dashboard. You know, and it's like this telephone game, same thing with religion, and all religious experts, people who go to school and dedicate their lives to studying religions, most of them disagree on stuff, all of them pretty much disagree on lots of very big details. I was actually thinking small details, but probably big ones. Large and small, like there's just, and then, you know, then they start to sell books. Then they start to go on podcasts. And this is the thing that I was thinking about recently when I had this guy on. I was thinking like, you know, the very nature of podcasts. For someone to want to go on a podcast, there has to be some sort of incentive. right? Like, why am I going to go travel and waste my time to go talk to you about what I do, right? Well, some people it may just be ego or they want to tell their story because they've come a long way and they feel like I should tell people my story to help someone. Sometimes it's maybe it's just to help people. Yeah, I'm not saying a lot of times. I'm sure it's to help people, but I think most of the time they're trying to monetize. People are trying to, you know, get the word out about either the work that they're doing, right? Or maybe books they're selling or articles they publish, their website or whatever. There's a there's a there's a very mutual tradeoff with podcasting, right? Like I get to do an episode of my show and you get to promote whatever whatever it is you're doing. Yeah. So like people in universities and like academic scientific institutions that work for corporations that are sitting in labs all day or, you know, studying things all day that aren't selling anything. They're just simply contracted scientists or researchers or something like that. They have zero incentive to ever go on a podcast, right? They get paid to do specific research, which is they don't own. They're usually getting this money from grants from universities and stuff like this or getting grants from like companies, pharmaceutical companies, any kind of like, you know, all kind of all scientific research is funded by governments or some for profit organizations, right? Or like the military and stuff like that, right? So like I was thinking about like you you had this whole like they're almost like two separate universes. So you have like the scientists and the researchers and the people like this who are publicly speaking about it because they make money doing this research that they make public. So they are incentivized to go talk about it, right? Right. So you have this sort of like public podcast echo chamber of stuff. And then you have these other people that are sitting in labs that never go on microphones. So I'm like, how different I wonder is the world of the biologist who strictly talks about biology in the public and the biologist who strictly works on a lab 24/7 funded by, you know, biotech companies of the government or pharmaceutical companies. And you can, you can, how do you get to those people? You can go across what's the incentive for them to come on the podcast. Exactly. Most of them don't want to do it. So it's like what secrets. What is more true? Is it, is it, is it, is it any more true because they don't talk about it publicly? Right? Or is, is what the people who only strictly monetize it is that, does that mean it's less true because they're monetizing it? I don't think so. But it's interesting. I've been thinking about that a lot lately. You know, because there's just like this constant war online between like follow the science, the, you know, it's, you know, trust the science, you know, we have to trust our healthcare. And you know, the whole healthcare in the hospital system is like saintly fucking corrupt. Well, listen, I mentioned this a few times. You know, you know, Bozyak went in the hospital, stayed in the hospital for three days in Thailand. He got some kind of fever down there that I guess Americans aren't, aren't, aren't Dean Gay? I have no idea. I mean, actually, I, he sent it to me. You want me, I mean, I know exactly where it is. Yeah, I forgot what it is. Yeah, it's, uh, so he, uh, he went in, he went in the hospital for three days. He said they did all kinds of tests on him and everything. Uh, hold on. Uh, uh, ding, goo, ding gay, ding gay fever. Yeah. Okay, ding. Okay, how are you saying it? Ding. I think it's pronounced ding gay, ding gay. Okay. It's D N G U E, whatever fever. Yeah. It's very common in South America. Yeah. So he got that. He was in the hospital for three days. Huge fever. Everything. He said, I was all fucked up. He said they did lots of people die from that. Yeah. So what do you think after three days? His, his, he walked out, he had pay cash. So you know, I don't have in Thailand. No, this was in Cambodia, but it's, he's been in, he's gone to Thailand too, by the way. But, and I'll tell you what, what, but this is the one, this is Cambodia. He said, listen, bro, he said top notch fucking care. He said top notch. He said, I mean, people, they're in and out. They're testing you. They're taking blood. They're talking to you. They spend time. He said, just like felt like I was in an American, uh, hospital. Interesting. He said that maybe not as quite as nice, but yeah, I said three days. How much do you think? I have no. Same medication. I guess. US, how much money in US? Three days, $100. $165. Wow. Do you know that an M, what an MRI cost in the US? Three grand. Yeah. I was gonna say about $2,200 if your insurance is paying for it, depending on the provider, um, you know what? You're paying cash. It's about $12 to $1400. They make it less if it's cash. How crazy is that? That's yeah, exactly what you pay at a pocket, even for like a normal doctor visit. They like have to cut it in half. Yeah. So now, what do you think it is in Thailand? That just tells you it's a fucking wholesome money that I'm wondering. Listen, listen. How much do you think in MRI is in Thailand? 150 bucks. 12 dollars. 12 dollars in MRI. Same results. Same person. Like, how do you then pay this guy that just read the fucking results? You got to hold print out. You got a whole thing. It's 12 bucks. Like, you know, understand these prescriptions that you're paying $400 for are like a dollar. This country is $8. This whole country is fake. I don't like the term fake. I don't know what that means. It's a fucking banana republic. No, I think it's, it's insanity. Did you ever hear, you know, look, I agree that this is the healthcare system. Although, listen, the healthcare system is top notch if you can afford it. And that, but if you can afford to go to Canada or fucking Turkey or Cambodia, no, I wouldn't go in the Canadians. You'll just die. Like, they're just there. They're like, oh, we got free health care. Yeah. I'm hold for five and they have months or two years. And they have assisted suicide now. Oh, yeah. You're seeing that shit. But that happens right away. Sister suicide, you can get it done in a couple of weeks. If you, if you need a CAT scan, 18 months, right. If I need a CAT scan, I'll have one in a week. I mean, they'll literally like every time I go to the doctor here, I'm signed in within a few days. I go in, I see them. I got my prescription that day. But yeah, it's expensive. It is expensive. I get it. It's something needs to be done in comparison. Same thing with the prescriptions. Like, it's, listen, I got a script right now that we're trying to get help with the script 900 bucks. No, no, wait. The doctor said it was 900 bucks. Just check. She goes, it's actually, I think 12 or 1300. We're trying to get help because our, we won't, it won't, our insurance won't cover it. So you can go, there's a program you can go to and they'll help you with the thing. But that's how, that's how I, I'll bet you that same medication is $5 in South America. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Or, or, or kind of a door. Do you go to, you just go to like a typical, like a typical clinic? No, I mean, we have a, we, we have insurance, but you know, they don't cover it. That's all we bother. I have insurance too. But I have a, I have a bunch of a couple specialist doctors that I work with that are in work in different states that are like the top level of like in their field. Right. And I get blood work done every three months, like very meticulous detailed blood work done of everything happening in my body. And I've been doing that for years. Right. And this guy, I said, this guy gets it all. And he like lays it all out, breaks it all down, like an equation and figure out, he figures out exactly like where my diet could be improved, where my like supplements shit could be improved and kind of medications. Like, from cholesterol to the fucking hormone levels to every vitamin levels to everything. Ryan Root does that for me. Yep. Matter of fact, it's so funny. I went to, I pay cash for all of this stuff. Like, every prescription is cash. I don't pay, I have, I have full health insurance, but I don't use it for anything. Well, it's not going to cover this. They probably wouldn't cover it in any way. No big car. You don't need all that. For instance, my provider, my nose and my cheeks were getting red. I'm taking TRT. And, and so I'm like, I go to, I go to one of them and she says, oh, you have high, they test my blood, they go, you have really high hemoglobin. Your body's producing too much hemoglobin. Right. And so she sends me to the blood, the blood place. And I donate blood. I donate blood every month. I did this for about six months. Then I change insurance companies. And so we go to another, so they give us another one. So now I have a new doctor. I go in there. So you were doing, you were doing the testosterone being monitored by Ryan Rue. And this is your primary doctor was telling you this. Yeah, she, but she knows that you were doing the testosterone testosterone. She knows that. She knows the amounts everything. And what was she saying about it? Was she, was she, no, she wasn't saying she didn't care. Yeah, she said, it's fine. Um, so then I go to the new provider. I go in and I tell her, hey, by the way, she's what prescriptions you have. We lay them all out. One of the prescriptions is every month I go and I get this done. She said, okay. And she's like, why? And I explained to her why. She was, okay, that she said, well, um, can you go, she's, I don't know about giving you that. She's and I don't know anything about TRT. She said, can you go to, um, can you go back to the provider, the testosterone provider, you know, Ryan Rue's guy. Can you go to him and have him prescribe it? And I said, sure, no problem. And I said, no problem. So I call prescribing the blood domain, the blood bank thing because I had actually a script from them. And once you do that, like you say, go, just go in and donate. Once they get the prescription, they won't take it unless you have a prescription. They, you can't go back. So I probably could have changed the place I was going to. But anyway, so I go in and I call Ryan and say, hey, I need this. And he goes, why? And I explained to him why. He said, no, you don't want to do that. And I went, well, that's what they're saying. And he says, there's a doctor. So they're saying he goes, yeah, Matt, here's what's happening. And he explains it. And I don't know what the hell he said. Oh, yeah. He says, like, he's a science whiz. Right. So he explains the whole thing. And he goes, he said, you don't need, I said, so what do I need medication? He said, no, break up your, break up your, your testosterone shot. You're taking it once, take it twice a week. He said, within a couple of days, it's your, the within a week, he said, it will go away. Yeah, exactly. That's what "We're now giving me two shots a week." Fucking no, the redness within a week or so, after the second shot, we drop it in half, we cut it down. He said, "If twice doesn't work, you might have to do it three times." I did it twice, but boom, everything's fine. I stopped getting all the things that were associated with that, stopped getting dizzy, everything, dizzy. Yeah, 'cause I was getting dizzy where I was standing up, or I was standing up, but I get a little, just feel a little woozy every once in a while. And he was like, "No, that'll go away." That's 'cause you have too much blah, blah, blah. He explains the whole thing. Listen, one thing, these fuckers have he has sucking blood out of me. I'm giving blood for six months. Crazy. I mean, he says, no, no, no, no, no, no. Cut it in half, do it once on Monday and once on Thursday, you'll be fine. Yeah. Perfectly fine. With a week after you're doing that, boom, it drops down, I'm fine. Been doing it ever since. Have you missed around with any of the peptides that are coming in? No, he was so many peptides. He was, well, you are on GLP1, that's a peptide. Well, he was trying to explain it to him and everything, but he talked so far over my head, bro. I'm just like, what, he's trying to tell me not that I shouldn't be drinking so much soda and I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear it. I love soda. I don't want to hear that. You lost me at no more soda. It's terrible, man. I know, I feel bad. I got to go. Where? I have to meet the-- Oh, you have to leave. My comedian guy. Let's wrap it up. Cool, man. Thanks for doing this. No problem. Is this going on Patreon? No, this is going on. This is going up Monday. We're publishing this Monday. You can put this on the regular channel. This is horrible. You think it was horrible? I don't know. I always think it's horrible. I mean, I'm not interesting like your other guests. I don't know. You're super interesting, bro. What are you talking about? I don't talk about yourself like that. I don't know. I think about you. You're guys want to hear about aliens and they want to hear about-- No. You're a breath of fresh air. You, Matt Cox, has to come in once every six months to cleanse the palate. Don't ever. You're the palate. I'm unsubscribing. Matt, you are the palate cleanser. Okay. So now we can reset. We can go back into Crazy World. Nice. But thanks for doing this, bro. Like your podcast, all that good stuff. Oh, yeah. Everybody needs to subscribe. Matthew Cox. You got more subscribers than me now. Fuck you. No, tell them about his fight. No, don't. But I'm closing. I think I'm a year away because you're moving, but I feel like I'm going to catch you. I know I'm going to catch you. I actually said that a couple of months ago. I said, listen, the day I catch Danny, I said, oh my god, I pray. But yeah, yeah, Matt Cox inside true crime and the murder man. We have the murder man. And my niece, I mean, my niece, my daughter-in-law, hers is called a crime and curls. When she lift weights, like curls, she has curly hair, especially not that curly. It's kind of wavy. Whatever. Crime and curls. It's cute. And we got to get Pete Roussini here to talk about his Manchurian candidates, the Unabomber and Luigi. That would be fun. We'll get you guys in here together, maybe. We'll see. Okay. All right, good night, everyone. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. The project is a very important part of the project. [BLANK_AUDIO]