#410 - “A Demon Called Me” Ex-Freemason Comes Clean on Secret Societies | Sean Stone

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West Bank, you might as I was trying to interview Erafat, for a documentary he was doing called Personan on Ongrata, and so I was with him when he was interviewing Netanyahu, and Perez, and Barak, and we went and talked to some guys from Hamas, we talked to, we interviewed Aloksa Marta Brigade guys, we were in Ramon on the West Bank and they had to literally like put us in a black van so we didn't know where we were, drive us into the city, go and blindfolded. You know, the guys wore masks during the interview, like, you know, we had these, so stuff like that, you know, that was part of my education is a game. Wow, dude, what a crazy experience for you, what were you when you're like your early 20s back then? I was 16. 16 years old doing this shit with your never. It was 2002, sorry, that was right after 9/11, yeah. Holy shit, dude. What a wild upbringing. Yeah, yeah. What like a way to shape your view of the world, like so early in life. Like, it gave me a lot of perspective, a lot of contrast when you travel, because I was, you know, I grew up traveling, you know, at six months, we were in Mexico doing Salvador, a year we were doing platoon in the Philippines, two years doing, two years old doing Wall Street in New York. Three was like talk radio and one of the July, which was Dallas and back to Philippines, you know, fine. And it's like five was, five six was the doors, seven was JFK. So it was like, yeah, I mean, I was being formed by a lot of political films, right, and story, you know, stories that were counter to the mainstream narrative. So I was, you know, by the time I was like 16 in high school, I was writing my thesis paper on like, and this was right after 9/11, I was like writing my thesis paper on like, how our policy was actually fomenting Islamic terrorism. What? That was like a senior in high school, not even in college. Like, how our foreign policy was like overthrowing, you know, not, it was overthrowing nationalists and promoting like the Muslim Brotherhood type of groups, you know, which is really what, you know, what's still was going on all the way to like, you know, through ISIS and the overthrow of Kudafi and Libya. I mean, it's always been that policy, it's been like overthrow anyone as a nationalist, it's like pro sovereignty and a strong leader. You know, a Nasser was one of the prime examples, you know, it's like, let's foment the Muslim Brotherhood against Nasser back in the 50s and 60s. And all of a sudden the Muslim Brotherhood becomes this terrorist network that, you know, to this day, I would say it's still terrorist and it's, it's orientation. But it's, you know, people don't, people think that this is like, that this is some kind of Islamic thing. And it's like, yeah, I mean, it has Islamic elements, but Islam is a very vast religion. You know, people don't even realize the biggest Islamic country in the world is, well, the most Muslims in the world are in India and the biggest Islamic country in the world is Indonesia. So, you know, there's not many terrorists coming out of the biggest country in the world, you know, it's mostly peaceful people. But you get these groups that are oriented towards Jihad, but a lot of them are like operating under the auspices of US, British, Israeli, intelligence, oftentimes working with Saudis, Pakistani intelligence, what not. You know, kind of like the Taliban and the, pre-Talibon, the Mujahideen in the 80s when we were supporting them in Afghanistan back in the 80s. Täällä on, että on tullut, että on tullut, että on tullut, että on tullut, että on tullut, että on tullut, että on tullut, että on tull että se on tullut katsotaan. Se on tullut katsotaan. It's like, it's one of those things where it's the bogeyman. Whatever the intel community wants to create a bogeyman, you need these type of things, like ISIS or whatnot. And some of those guys were in our prisons, for example, or in some of those guys in our prisons during the Iraq war, and they get released, and they pop up. And the main guy, I can't remember which one is the head of the ISIS, John McCain, when McCain went over, right, and he was seen with this guy in photos, and then all of a sudden he becomes the head of ISIS. So again, it's like, I always put like this. Terrorism, just like gangs, just like drugs, is not like some like foreign thing. It's all under the nose of enforcement, law enforcement, police. You know, it's like any neighborhood, right? Police know who the gangsters are. Same with the intel community. And when they want someone to operate as in London, for example, they wrote a whole book, "Londonistan." The British are letting all these Muslims come in. It's like they're running them. They're basically letting these clerics who are proselytizing for jihad and whatnot. They let them operate under their noses, because that's how you either they're on the payroll, or they're being monitored, because they want to foment Radiklislam, you need an enemy. Because you need an enemy. Well, yeah, I mean, there was like a report from Iron Mountain that people don't know to this day like if it was a real report or not. But it's pretty interesting to read it. You can find it online. And one of the great quotes is that the unifying, it's like what is it? The unifying, ethos, no, like the unifying, ethos of a society essentially is for war. The unifying. It will unifies a society, it's war. So ever since '47, the US takes over as basically the superpower of the world. We create the national security state. That's what we are. It's a national security state. You got to justify having a total surveillance society, having a society devoted to overthrowing governments, which we've done over 70 plus coups and operations in countries all over the world. You need to have a bad guy, you need a villain. The Soviets played that role for, you know, what, 50 years roughly. And then at the time of the Soviet Union was collapsing around the time of the 70s and 80s. You have the arc of crisis. That was Huntington, Burjinsky in within Carter's, they became part of Carter's administration essentially. These are like Trilateral Commission guys and they're promoting the idea of what Huntington called the clashes civilizations. So basically everyone can be turned against each other and there's nothing like, once you lose the communist threat, it became more cultural and religious. And his whole thing was like there are of these countries that are fault lines like Yugoslavia, which basically starts to get blown up by the 80s and 90s, right? And it's like Yugoslavia is a country that has slavs, Croatians, Slovaks, I mean, it has different ethnicities, but it also has religions, it has Catholics, East Orthodox, Muslims. And one of the easiest things to foment is Islam versus the West. So countries like Lebanon get blown up. Just like Yugoslavia in Afghanistan, it's working with the Muslims against the communists. In Iran, we foment, we essentially back how many to take over against the secular regime. As I said, that's been a strategy going back to the middle, always the British in the middle least have always played this kind of hand. So the Shah gets overthrown and you get a Muslim, Shia fanatics who are pitted against the Sunnis in Arabia and the rest of the Middle East. Right. You see, so like everywhere you go, you see-- Because we thought that they would be able to deal with Saddam Husayn's people and that completely didn't work at all. It worked for a bloody war. I mean, we supported, we gave the chemical, biological arms, all kinds of stuff to Saddam to fight Iran for eight bloody years of conflict and probably what millions of people died in that war. And then at the end of the war, we turned around and we say, "Okay, Saddam, we're going to check your military power." I just had Scott Horton in here telling me the whole story about this guy named Chellabbi who like sold us the-- Verbal? Yeah, it was called Kerbal, Chalabi. Yeah, yeah, Chalabi. So like two-bit con man who was trying to-- They were going to prop him up at one point as to be like the new president of Iraq when they overthrew Saddam. But I don't think that was ever a real plan. I think that was just being like proposed as a person. It's the same way, like, we're talking about putting Palavi back in in Iran. There's not like-- That's not a realistic play. You're not going to bring some guy from outside to like-- John Kerbal said he wouldn't survive the walk from the plane, from the tarmac to the terminal. Palavi? Yeah. When he got back, when he-- If he makes it back to Iran, he won't survive-- He won't even make it out of the airport alive. Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, the Iranians-- I mean, a lot of these guys are much more like pro-Iran than I am. I'm not like pro-regime, I don't like the Islamic Republic. I wish we would go back to a more secular rule in that country, and frankly, in the world. But the point is that since the '70s and '80s, we've been fomenting along with British, the British intelligence groups, the Israelis. We've been fomenting these conflicts because, as I said, it's the easiest way to create conflict is to go around religious fault lines. And then, even now, I mean, to this day, we've got cartels and things operating, and people are more freaked out about Islam in America than they are about the cartels. It's pretty crazy. Literally running around in our forests. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. In Texas, they're more-- they're not waiting more on the cartels. They're more freaked out by Islamics, and they're less than 5% of the population, because religion is just so easy to get people on that fear. Have you ever left a doctor's appointment feeling like you learned absolutely nothing? Like you're fine. More water and we'll see you again next year. No real data, no informative knowledge, no action plan, just a handshake and a shrug. And that's the reason I love what superpower is doing. It's a much more proactive way to understand what's going on in your body. Superpower sends a license professional to your home, or you can visit a nearby lab. And with one simple set of labs, they measure 100 plus biomarkers. Then everything shows up in the app. Heart, liver, thyroid, hormones, metabolism, vitamins, minerals, even environmental elements. 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But when he was on the podcast, a couple months ago now. You know, because it's one, a lot of people that I know and a lot of people you talk to, it just seems like there is this very strong misunderstanding about, like even, I'm very ignorant to it too, of Islam. Because we've been sold this idea of Islamic jihadists, you know, bombers our whole lives. It's 9/11. It's like, it's so deeply rooted in our psyche in America, right? And then when you talk to somebody like Beck, who is explaining like, no, it's not, it's more compatible than with Christianity than Judaism, of course. And you know, these, it's been hijacked, this narrative, they, they, you took this narrative and they hijacked Islam to paint this narrative to Americans to make us fear. Yeah. Well, I mean, just go to the essence to me, like the main point is that Muslims honor Jesus as essentially as a Messiah. He's basically born, he's born of a virgin, the honor, the virgin Mary. I mean, you read the Quran and the Quran is all the story of Abraham, the story of Moses, the story of the Jewish prophets, right? So it's basically the Old Testament. I've never read any of it. Yeah. I mean, that's not all of it. But the most of it is like derived from the Old Testament stories. And a lot of me, it really just, it's like, Old Testament meets New Testament. It reminds me of like, like the Aryan heresy or one of these heresies that occurred in the early, in early Christianity, basically before the Catholic church had codified with like an ICN and what not had codified the religion. There were various sects that were like, I think there were like the Aryans and others that basically saw Christ as a divine emissary, but not, they wouldn't say Christ as God. They'd be like, you're a divine emissary, you know, but your God cannot be like, you can't be God and God is the creator of all and, you know, like you're an extension of your God. Yeah, it gets confusing. It's like, we're all God's children, but Christ is the special one. I mean, it gets like so they, they kind of ignored all that to say like, no, Christ is a divine emissary. He's able to work miracles. He's a, he has the Holy Spirit, he's a, of a virgin. But because of that mentality, I think the Muslims basically took that, that, that theology. And that's why Islam honors Jesus. Now, obviously there's, like I told you, like Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world, population wise, almost 200 million Muslims, majority, you know, are not jihadists, majority, in fact, like one of the probably one of the more peaceful societies. And then you get, you know, like the Muslims of the modern, like the Middle East, that a lot of them are Arabic, and it's a different cultural thing, you know, like anything, like you talk about people think, the, okay, like the hijab. Yeah. First of all, like why you guys freak out about hijab, nuns do the same thing, it's a, it's like a spiritual, it's a spiritual, it's a spiritual practice. No, I don't agree with forcing women to wear a hijab, like Iran was doing, apparently they've laid off now, like I don't think you should force someone to. But the idea of wearing a hijab shouldn't be something scary, considering that it's obviously goes back for, for a reason, the nuns would do that for a reason, they also cover their hair for a reason, that goes back to that, that tradition in that region, you know, that, the Jews do as well, the Orthodox Jews do the same, like as far as covering the, you know, the head scarves and things like this, this has to do with like regional traditions. And, and then you get like the veil, which, you know, again, is more of, to me, to my understanding, is more of like a traditional thing going back to like desert, Bedouin type of people. Right. You know, when it comes to things like imprisoning people for converting from Islam to Christianity, is that, like, O'Neen, Iran, or is that, is that only a Shia thing? No. I mean, look, technically, technically conversion, well, there's a couple things. I mean, one, they're supposed to be no compulsion in religion. That's in the Quran. There should be no compulsion in religion. So the fact that any society is operating on this religious compulsion thing is, to me, it's like, it's wrong. And it's, again, it's used for power. that as far as conversion, like, yes, if you leave Islam, Yeah, you can be punished for that, which I also think is it's wrong. Is that in the crown? Do you know? I think it's in the crown. It's out of the crown or had teeth, so I, but either way, it's, I don't think it's, it's a, the right approach. You know, I don't think that these things, you know, again, there's different, there's different extremes when it comes to Islamic interpretation. And that's why I'm saying like so much of the conflict that we have seems to be, it's not all of us, but I'm not all coming from the West, but I'm saying that we have literally worked to promote Islamic, you know, extremism. I mean, you go back to like the British, the British in the region, the British put the Saudis, which were a hobbyist, more extreme, you know, version of Islam, they put the Saudis in control of Arabia. That was supposed to go into November and Lawrence of Arabia, the movie, they're going to go into some of this politics of like the different tribes. And then the Hashemite who is played by Alec Guinness, I believe in the film, instead of getting Arabia, which was what he expected, they gave him Jordan and trend, like basically transjordan, and what was like, then like, you know, Palestine. So a lot of this is just like, empire is coming and carving stuff up and then saying, okay, you know, we're giving Israel to the Jews, we're giving, you know, Syria, Syria Lebanon to the French. Palestine was being overseen by the British. Yeah. So again, it's like all this kind of Jerry Mandarin going on. Yeah. Well, actually, one of my friends actually sent me this video on Instagram. I'm going to send this to you, Steve's, you can play this. And it was, it was showing how like less than three years after World War II ended, that Israel was poisoning waterways and villages with typhoid. And like, like, it's just so crazy that the people who just got done, having this stuff done to them, turn around that fast and immediately start doing it to other people. People have, if people are interested, I mean, people have heard about the Nakba, essentially the expulsion of the Palestinians or the local Muslims from, you know, from, from what was then Israel. Right. It was planned Dalette was the operation. And there has been some very good books written about historical, you know, based on historical documents and evidence about the expulsion. And it was done, you know, sometimes execution and murder, but mostly it was done by things like that poisoning of oils, driving people from their villages. And, you know, there's a lot of grievance around that. That's why, you know, I, it's like, I don't agree with Hamas saying, you know, let's exterminate Israel. And Iran, having that ideology is very dangerous. It's destabilizing for the region. But the truth is, you know, Iran is currently destabilizing the region. But Israel has also, you know, has been destabilizing force since its inception because it was based on, you know, on a conquest on a war, which, unlike most wars, the refugees didn't have a right to return. And that's what people don't understand. That's what's different. Most war, if based on conquest, the refugees have a right to return. Israel can't give them the right to return because then they will become a minority. It's usually come a minority in their own country. So they will not give the expel, the expel Palestinian's the right to return to their, their villages, their, their land, you know, they're all of, all of trees, all that they had basically cultivated for hundreds of thousands of years. And that's why this war is so entrenched in that region. We've been entrenched in that quagmire since 48 essentially. Yeah. Tim Dylan had a great bit on his episode the other day. He was explaining how America is Carmella from the supranos and Israel's Tony's suprano. And we're meeting with the shrink, trying to explain like he's cheating on me. He has all of these broads that he's banging. And all I do is do his laundry. And that's how it was fucking the layers. But like we are, we're Carmella from the supranos. And you know, I never watched, I never got into that show. I'm not a V like, I don't know, I was never that much into like the gangster culture. I love Godfather. But to me, it was more a story of family, you know, than gangsterism. Yeah. No. Yeah. It was just a classic show. But the gangster, I mean, the mafia stuff has been like an integral part of the history of this country, you know, like the special ops stuff and all the covert ops. I mean, JFK. I mean, there's a huge like mafia involvement and all that stuff, which is crazy. Somebody, you know, an old, he's, he's from one of those families. He told me that he said, look, the mafia, we're basically started to send being sent here by what he called the Illuminati. And the Illuminati are like his way of understanding is like the old banking families of Europe, like the real, you know, the real owners of Europe, right? And it was basically about collecting on finance. Like they were investing in America. And the mob, this, you know, as much like the Sicilian type, you know, mafia and whatnot, like they were enforcers to make sure that the labor unions weren't getting out of control. Because that's what the mob does, the controlled unions, right? Yeah. To make sure that the labor wasn't going to have control, that to ensure that productivity continued. And that's, you know, basically that that's got paid. And then by the 60s, so yeah, you mentioned Kennedy. So like Kennedy, Kennedy family, Joe Kennedy. I mean, apparently they were working, you know, with bootleggers, which mob, you know, which basically mob elements, right? Bootlegging. Mac in the 20s when alcohol was illegal. And then so, you know, basically Joe Kennedy and company were like, you know, asking for the support of the mafia, a jinkana, people like that when, when JFK ran, even though RFK had been this watchdog on, you know, when he was, RFK was at the Justice Department, right? And he was, I think, who did he expel? Did he, he didn't send jinkana? He sent one of those guys down to like Guatemala, Honduras, or Venezuela or something, you know, like deported him. So, you know, basically, you know, he was talking, he obviously went after Hoffa and whatnot. But, you know, there was a lot of betrayal from the mob, you know, because JFK basically reneged. He didn't, he didn't take Cuba back, you know, he, right. JFK came in, he allowed, I get into the summer RFK legacy documentary, JFK as president, basically like, you know, he comes in, he allows Dulles, who's running the CIA to run this operation to try to, you know, send about like a thousand guys into Cuba to overthrow Castro. Right. It was a joke. I mean, it was basically, Dulles knew the operation was never gonna work with a few, you know, like a thousand guys. Yeah. The intention was to, they needed air support, right? And he canceled that last minute. It wasn't just that. It was like, the intention really was, it was like, it was almost like a, uh, uh, give me, you know, give me an inch and take a mile. Dulles wanted Kennedy to commit. He felt like if, if he would do air support and then anything, basically, he would then escalate the intention. Right. Let me start with a small invasion. And then, rather than have egg on my face for this debacle, commit the US army to go in and overthrow Castro. That was Dulles' intention. And JFK was too smart. He said, no, that's it. So he pulled, you know, therefore, he actually allowed the air strikes. It was some kind of delay. There was a mistake. It was a miscommunication that air strikes didn't get there on time. But Kennedy realized what they were trying to do. They're trying to bait him. His own intelligence community. And he, and rather than get baited into a full-on invasion, US invasion, he said, no, we're not, you know, and obviously the Cubans were pissed. He didn't overthrow Castro, but the Mafia was pissed too, because those were their casinos. Yeah. Right. And like they want, you know, they wanted the island back. So so did everyone hate a JFK at that point? And anyway, so the mob was certainly an element in the assassination, but I don't think that they were the controlling element necessarily. What is your 30,000-foot mile high view of the JFK thing? What do you think that was? Do you think there's any simple way to distill what that was about? Or do you think it's just too much of a hornest nest? No, it's not just a hornest, but I think it's a gateway drug. I think everyone should look at it. There's so many flavors of it now. And when you get high on it. Yeah, and I agree. You start opening up that portal. And you look at a lot of things. You look at the relationship of CIA with Mafia and how we, how entwined, entangled they were, you know, in that whole, again, like the dynamic of power, essentially, right? And the nature of power in America. So you've got CIA mafia relationships. You've got the military industrial complex, the Pentagon, and all that wanting Kennedy to commit to war in Vietnam, which, you know, they're like, look, if Kennedy won't even overthrow Castro, it was like 90 miles away. And he, you know, he clearly has said he doesn't see the Vietnam civil war was North Vietnam, it's South Vietnam with the time. He doesn't see us supporting South Vietnam with too many trip. They had a certain number of advisors at that point, a few thousand troops, like more special forces types. But Kennedy was like, it's civil war. You know, they got to figure it out for themselves. So he was never going to commit to like a full war in Vietnam, the way that Johnson did. You got the Federal Reserve bankers. Kennedy was, he did transition us in 62 to issuing currency from the Treasury for the first time. So like, yeah, some of those, some of the money being issued in 62 was actually from our Treasury. And there was a Executive order based on his relationship with Indonesia with There was Sukarno at the time because of the gold that they were gonna basically use the gold I think from Indonesia this goes back to world were two gold that the Japanese had stolen Like the whole there's a whole story around that that we got our hands on it But essentially Kennedy was in use the gold to back Dollars coming out of the treasury and there was at that 62 some some money issue for the treasury for the first time since Lincoln had done it oh wow so bypassing the Federal Reserve which all our money comes from the Federal Reserve It's all issued at you know at with interest as alone from the Fed right all of our debt So it's that you know, it's actually starts with that owed to the interest out to the Federal Reserve So that's a private bank anyway, so the point being Kennedy was bypass it was interested in bypassing that and Bringing it back to constitutional money, which is gold and silver is not a constitutional money and it's only you know All currency supposed to be issued from the treasury not from a private bank. Yeah, trust. So there's that There's the alien question because Kennedy was interested in the UFOs and the little the little Man or whatever they had discovered and there's some pillow talk at one point I read I mean that or it was like him in Maryland like notes from like an FBI or what not FBI? I think it was an FBI Maryland a row. Yeah, it was like an FBI Transcript of their conversation and Kennedy mentioning like to her like what do you think should I disclose? Should I you know could I disclose that there's you know these like beings essentially like a you know alien life on earth? So there's that component Well, he mentioned it. He probably there would be shoot there being monitored You know FBI was monitoring their con goes Engleton probably from CIA was probably monitoring I mean everyone is curious obviously what the president says and knows so there's all these after for elements to the Kennedy assassination when you start like looking at it going who killed them Because it's such a It's such a plot that you imagine that everyone wanted everyone wanted him dead Everyone was happy to see him go right and There's lots of motives. Yeah, so that's why you know when you read stuff like you know from people who say that they were there and you get like Yeah, Mafia hit man and you've got people like Howard Haunt who confessed on his deathbed to his son that he was there and Yeah, I mean various CIA operatives, you know, but the question of who organized it There's been suspicion about various CIA guys. Yeah, that we're running it and ultimately was Alan Dulles the Controller or could it have been outsourced to right foreign power. I mean Goes and I think without without like having direct knowledge You know who gave the command. 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That's Amitara.com/go/dj and don't forget to use the code djp 22 there's also that story of one of JFK's mistresses who Introduced JFK to Timothy Leary and He allegedly did like LSD with Timothy Leary and that was like a one of the points that like I don't think he did I don't know if he did it with Timothy, but Timothy gave me LSD was Mary It was she was married to a CIA guy Corey. I think I'm Meyer Mary Meyer very pin show Meyer was a pinch on Pinchot. Yeah, yeah, but she was married to cord Meyer who was one of the CIA operations guys Yeah, that was and she was whacked after this, right? She got killed and she got killed like out on a jog or something. Yes. She was jogging or walking jogging in DC area and someone came up and killed her She began she knew too much So yeah, I think in court died too. He killed himself. I think but he was one of these guys that was operating You know overthrowing people and you know overthrowing a most a dag in Iran and you know our bends and Guatemala like he's an up here He was operational with CIA But as far as another element speaking of drugs was This is my friend who's like again like from one of the mafia families. He said that the mob was moving to really push You know drugs big time by the 60s, right? That was gonna be as we saw like the explosion in the first it was Well cocaine to a certain extent, but heroin and then coke and then crack right 70s into the 80s talking heroin coke and crack became like the big big drugs in the US and that was The mafia the mafia was remember like in Godfather the first one when they're having that conversation and they're basically like We don't we you know, we can't start selling heroin and drugs We can't start selling drugs basically to our you know communities like only the blacks will take it remember They're like yeah, the blacks will take it. We don't have to worry about it It's like I don't know like once you start bringing it, you know It's gonna destroy us and that was why There's a falling out and that was true. That was a real falling out in the mafia like Genoves and people like that were like big into the heroin trafficking and that was again CIA mafia Connection going back. So Again, you've got like the the Marseille You know Corsican connection, right, but you've also got a huge pipe, you know basically a huge market from Vietnam, which is why they wanted the golden triangle heroin And that becomes then, you know a major export during the Vietnam war is Yeah, is the heroin opium all that stuff, right? And Yeah, so again, if Kennedy doesn't if Kennedy doesn't commit to the Vietnam war, it's gonna be harder to get that Easy access that cheap access to the to the heroin and then thereafter also They were already looking at South America Bolivia and places like this for the cocaine So it was already strategized that the drugs were gonna play a huge role in the international black Like black like black fine black ops and black fine like financing should Black financing, right off books right off books financing, right? You want off books money Talk, you know guns drugs human trafficking Mm-hmm. I would say probably the three biggest Yeah, and so I had I should have made with John Newman Mm-hmm, sounds familiar John Newman wrote like I don't know how many JFK books at least at least two dozen JFK books and I believe he was a Consultant on the first JFK film that you got your dad done um And he's been right this other way since he's old dude. He works at older guy works at George Washington So he's somewhere up there one of those schools up there and he was basically telling me When he was on here that his whole view of the whole kind of thing was that it was a military coup and that like all the joint chiefs were conspiring against them including like Lemitser and Taylor and So essentially his view is it was a military coup and the CIA was just to cover up and one of the smoking gun piece of evidence he found Was he he found a CIA cable from the mexico city desk to Langley or whatever and what it was was an indication of a Flash and FBI flash stop being taken off Oswald's file the day before Kennedy was shot and Oswald being a defector and Being there being on that on the route where the president was he says Oswald being on that route is the equivalence to a flea being at a lice all convention With all of the everyone that was watching him 24/7. Yeah, so the fact that the CIA Knowledge that his FBI flashed up was being taken off of his file yeah, the day before is extremely suspicious So he got a hold of the of the CIA officer who was the one who signed off on that cable the CIA cable and he went and interviewed her before she died. Yeah, and I forget exactly what his response what her response was to him But she was basically she basically said he goes what's this was this mean? Yeah, and she's like this is very indicative of Something that They didn't want anyone to know about that they're keeping very close to the chest. That's all I'll say. Yeah Well, I mean it wasn't official. I mean it wasn't like at the time who was a McCone was the head of the CIA and he'd been appointed by Kennedy So it wasn't like official CIA. We're talking David Harvey guy David Harvey was one of the the guys that hated the Kennedy brothers and he came back From I think he was in Rome. He was like station in Rome, which would indicate like You know people like Angleton have you know James Angleton was in Rome like during at the end of the second world war running, helping to run the rat lines of like the Nazis that we were bringing out of Germany, right, into America, into, you know, into South America. And Harvey came back and he was in the U.S. and people like, you know, people like, why was he, you know, why was he basically in town for that, for this, look, operation? I mean, so there's, there's the, the old boy network, the old OSS network of like Harvey Hans, people like that, right? Who basically dulles, who were around from the World War II days. That's why I say, some of the operational stuff, people have always speculated like, who was, who was Hitler's favorite, favorite SS guy, he's like a, he rescued Mussolini. He's a, he was a, he was a famous SS officer and he got part, he got pulled out from the, the rat lines as well. And who, look up who the SS officer who rescued Mussolini. And there is some speculation, Scorsannie, Scorsannie, there's some speculation like he could have been involved with operationally, like helping to oversee it. You know, it's like former, yeah, Scorsannie is a great character in this car face, the real Scarface. And so again, you've got, you know, you're so close to the second world war, you've got like literal like, you know, real fascist, like real ex-Nazis, because remember, that's who was plotting against the Gaul and France. The same time that Kennedy is killed, he's already, they've already nearly killed the Gaul multiple times. Remember the day of the jackal, the, the, the book and then the film, based on it was all about these various right wing French, you know, all, you know, fascist groups that were trying to take out the Gaul, because he had surrendered Algeria, essentially, and they looked at him as a traitor. So the same time that these, so again, it's like these, this kind of, it's more international than just national, I think, is the way that I look at it. And because again, you're the president of states, you are, you're having a major impact globally. As I said, you know, drug markets, wars, wars affect finance, it affects, you know, you name everything weapons oil. I mean, everything is geared in a sense. You could say, since the second world war, economically, that's why to the date, to this day, we spend almost a trillion dollars a year on war, you know, between surveillance and security, and it's literally an organizing principle of the state. And so to your point about the Mexico cable, it reminds me of the man who knew too much, which was a great book by Dick Russell. And that was, who was the CIA officer in that book, the man who knew too much, he pulls up in a Mexican bank like a week before the assassination shoots it up, and he basically wants to go to jail, because he knows that they're going to kill the president. Oh, yes. I was. I remember that. Sorry. It's the, look up the Dick Russell book, the man who, I thought it was the man who knew too much. Man who shoots up bank before Kennedy assassination. It's not the man. It is the man who knew too much. Okay. Richard Case Nagel. Yeah. Okay. Former US intelligence officer and CIA contact claimed that the KGB hired him to assassinate Lee Harvey Oswald in order to prevent the JFK assassination. Yeah. What? That was something arrested by firing a shot in the bell pass up. Oh, it was in Texas. Sorry. I thought it was in Mexico. But it's like, I mean, you get stuff like this and you just go, what in the world? So people knew, like, there was a lot of people in there. Two months before. That's crazy. Yeah. That's insane, dude. Right? Mm-hmm. It's a great book. It's worth reading. The man who knew too much. There's also another, another fascinating. And Dick Russell ended up working with Rob Reiner on their podcast, which they recently did before Rob got killed about the JFK assassination. That was like the last thing that Rob did, I think. Yeah. There's also that crazy book called Mary's Monkey, have you heard that one? Yeah. That one's wild, too. About all the crazy medical vaccine research without Naushner and Mary Sherman who got incinerated by this linach machine and they covered up the murder. Yeah. So it would explain something I didn't understand when my dad and my JFK, remember the Dave Ferry character played by Pesh. Yes. And he's got cancer and he's dying of cancer and he's also researching. He's got a bunch of mice in his house, like all these lab rats. Right. Lab rats all over. Yeah. And that was because they were working with the mice to try to. Cancer weapons, right? Well, both to create fast-acting cancers and to prevent it, like how to stop. Kind of basically create the cancer and to kill the cancer. That's what she was one of the things that she was working on, faracle. Yeah, that is. And that's the reason that they had that linear accelerator in the basement of that hospital there in New Orleans. And they were basically shooting cancer tumors with that freaking linear accelerator machine and trying to figure out how to like turbo charge it or find out ways to do weapons. And one of the part of that story is that when Oswald went to Mexico City, he was bringing vials of that stuff that they had developed in an attempt to go from Mexico over to Cuba to try to get it to kill Castro with it. Mm-hmm. Well, again, I mean, Oswald's being, you know, he seems to be, you know, working with us, but then they would cheap dip him and make him look like he was pro Castro. Yeah. But he was, I think he was just an operative, you know, I think he was one of these guys that was just, probably just himself as a soldier, you know, as a good soldier, right to the end. It's too bad those notes were destroyed, right? The ones that were taken when he was detained in Dallas, you know, the notes that, you know, of the interview, all that's gone. So he was interviewed. Remember before he was killed, it was like two days later, he was killed. After the shooting. Yeah. So he was interviewed after the shooting before he was killed. Exactly. And those, those, those notes are gone. No one, I don't think anyone's seen them. Maybe they, maybe they were hidden, but they probably, we were supposed to see the JFK files, right? Didn't Trump say he was going to release all those? Well, they have been a lot, but the problem is like, we don't know if all of it's been revealed and released and then more importantly, like, what's, what's, what's, what hasn't been destroyed. I mean, when Richard Helms was the director of the CIA, when he, when he got fired by Nixon, he went and shredded everything. Right. And we, we only know about MK Ultra, because like a few boxes. Like literally. So if MK Ultra wasn't in the first box he burned, that must have been like way tamer. That's then all the shit he did burn. I mean, do you imagine like what they probably destroyed so much about the Kennedy Oswald, all that stuff? Oh, yeah. Right. It was. Roswell. Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. There's probably so much crazy shit that was burned. What is he, what do you got, Steve? Oh, this is the transcripts. Yeah. And then I was talking to John Carriacu a couple days ago, and he was telling me that like, he has people that he knows, sources that tell him that the reason they won't release the rest of the JFK files is because they point to Israel. And then you have the whole Israel, the Israeli angle of it with the nuclear material and all that stuff. Well, so the, so, I mean, the motive, okay, so the, which, yeah, I mean, there's, there's, there's a, there's a good book that kind of gets into the Israeli motive. Mm-hmm. He's really motive. I don't doubt. I don't, I mean, Ben Gurion hated Kennedy. Right. Kennedy even talked about, you know, basically said, look, you guys should, you should either repatriate the, the, the, the Palestinians who were kicked or forced out by the creation of Israel, each other, bringing them home to settle or basically give them some kind of, you know, economic ability to rebuild or, you know, what's called reparation, you know, give them reparation. Mm-hmm. As, you know, that's, these really don't want to do that. So there was that component, and then there was also the, the Israeli nuclear facility, which they lied about, you know, he was, Kennedy was concerned about nuclear, proliferation, and so the fact that the Israelis were developing the nuke at that time, they certainly did not want inspection. They did not want, yeah, they did not want any, the US to stop them from, from developing it. So, yeah, I think that there's a motivation to problem for me is the, the evidence of who, in terms of the people that are pretty clearly involved, you know, again, even you get Howard Haunt giving his deathbed confession to his son about being in Dallas, it's like, okay, so who are the Israeli operatives? Now you can look at people like Maya Lansky, who's, you know, Jewish Mafia character, very connected to the Italian mob, partnered with, what was his name? The famous, who is a, Lansky's partner in the Mafia, Lucky Luciano, for example, right? That was Lucky's partner, right? So, Maya is one of the, one of the brains of, you know, the Mafia in America, so certainly someone like him, and he, you know, he amongst the number of others were supporting the creation of Israel from the beginning. So yeah, you have those elements involved, but as far as the actual like Israeli ability to kill the president, that's not so much, that's, well, that's why I just, I don't know, like I haven't seen the evidence for it, people say it, but it's like, okay, you can say anything, but present some evidence to show which elements exactly we're talking about, and what their role is in the assassination. Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense, I mean, the only ones that would have had the true ability to do it would be the American military, and, you know, with all their connections in the Mafia and organized crime, and you, and also utilizing foreign people. Well, it has, it has to be, even Secret Service has to be told to stand, like, you know, when John, the whole. organization of the parade route, the fact that, as you said, like people like Oswald were working on the parade route and allowed to, you know, allowed to be there. It's like the, the fact that the, the motorcade, the convoy that they didn't have, uh, police bikes next to the president, Johnson said to them, oh, the president wants to, you know, don't obstruct, you know, his view of the crowd. So they, they're told to go back Johnson, he tried to switch it up to get Connolly out of the, the front seat. Oh, he did. Yeah. Cause Connolly was his buddy, but he couldn't, he couldn't change that. So Connolly ended up getting shot, not killed. Um, there's a moment even on the tarmac when the plane lands and you can see the video of it where there's one secret service guy who's about to go and jump on the side of the, the president's car, right? There's like a little, the carunner on the side running board where the security, the security is supposed to be on that running board. And he's literally, you can see him being called back on the tarmac. No, no, no, no. What's going on? He's like, he's like about to jump on the, on the runner to be right there. Yeah. To protect the president. Yeah. And he's called right back on the tarmac. So enough people have to be involved with, with the security, with the assassination, with being able to move people in and out. You know, that's the CIA, the pilots, Tosh Plumbly just put out a book. He was one of the CIA pilots. Oh, yeah. He talks about, you know, flying in, uh, who did he fly in, uh, Razzelli, who was the mobster hunt, uh, Charles Harrison, who was Woody's father, who many people, who's a mob hitman, who many people suspected of being there that day. And, uh, Charles Nicoletti and, uh, another guy. So Tosh talks about who he flew in to Dallas that day. But certainly, I mean, look at who, like my dad said in, um, in JFK found, find the 50 best marksman in the world and find out who was in Dallas that day, right? Even, even Carlos, the jackal apparently, one of the, one of the Carlos, the jackals, you know, who was famous, like, you know, apparently was there that day. So a lot of, like a lot of people were there, even if they were as decoys, even if they were as distractions, if you get that feeling, like it was, this, there was no way he was gonna exit alive. Mm-hmm. And it seems like he almost kind of knew it was going to happen. There was a speech, the speech that he made before that was like, I don't remember it word for word, but it was like, it's signaled. Like if you, you could translate that speech, it sounded like he knew he wasn't long for the earth. Well, he was sick, too. Don't forget. He was very, um, he had these, I can't remember what the illness was, but, you know, this is why, like, he had spinal problems, right? For war, whatever. No, I think you have him before. Oh, really? Yeah, even before. And, um, I can't remember what the condition is, but essentially he was degenerating and some people said, like, he, you know, he may not even have been survived to like his 50s. I mean, he was like 45 or something when he died, but, um, he was, I think he knew he was not long for the earth. Yeah. That's probably why he was trying to do these, you know, these, these things, like make rapprochement with the Soviet Union, basically saying, let's do a joint mission together to the moon. You know, let's work on the space program together. All this stuff was like, as I said, everything he did antagonized the, the complex, you know, the military industrial complex that essentially operates on enemies and war. And if Kennedy had basically said, let's, let's move to rapprochement, let's not, you know, let's not have a cold war. Let's not justify these massive military spending. Let's focus on peace. Everybody has like space travel and, you know, if we had done that, I mean, again, it would have changed our history, but I don't think conscious, I guess, you know, we weren't ready for that. We had to play out this, this crazy, um, you know, this crazy mindset that we've still experiencing, you know, us versus them. And I think we're getting past it. I think we are kind of getting into a more global mind in a sense of, not a hive mind, but a global awareness and consciousness, you know, of our common humanity across religions, across cultures, across languages, right? I don't know if we were there at that time. Maybe that's why, you know, that's why destiny prevailed in a sense that he played the role of King Arthur and Camelot, Camelot, you know, is a moment. And essentially once he knew that he was in Camelot, well, Arthur's, Arthur's end is tragic, right? Arthur ends because his own people betray him, lands a lot, you know, betrays him and, uh, one of your runs off with lands a lot in the kingdom of the sense into civil war. Right. So it's very interesting that, you know, you'd be careful the myths you choose to live by. Hmm. Yeah, that's a very good point. 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Again, start your free trial at shopify.com/dannyjones. Shopify.com/dannyjones. And then there was also this guy who was the Hollywood guy who was a part of brokering the deal to get the nuclear stuff over to Israel or something like that. Is that the producer? Yeah, he was my dad's partner for like a few years. Oh, he was actually partners with him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was in the, I learned about him watching the BB files documentary because he was all over that documentary. Was that the Tucker's new documentary? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if Tucker made the documentary. I think it was Alex Gibney that made that film. Oh, really? Can you confirm that? Alex Bloom? No, Alex Gibney. I don't think Gibney did it. No. Oh, you're right. Produced by Alex Gibney. Okay. Oh, he produced it. Okay. There you go. Okay. So the BB files is not the one Tucker did. So no, it was that that same one was on Tucker's website. Right. So he was like, so the BB files documentary premiere directed by Alex Bloom and produced by Alex Gibney, Tucker Carlson acquired the film and streams it on his platform. You know, I have to watch it. I haven't seen it yet. That's cool. Yeah, it was just lots of like security footage of interrogations from the investigations on end of BB. That's interesting. And because the whole thing is how this guy survives for so long, you know, he was literally on the cusp of being indicted and you know, and it was so, it was so weird. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like he goes around and he expects people just to give him free stuff. Like people just give him gifts, like stupid gifts, like, like alcohol or whatever they like, the different what kind of champagne, what kind of cigars, and they're interrogating him about like, why did you ask him for $5,000 worth of cigars? He's like, I don't know. They just give them to me or whatever. And then Arnon Milchin was like, he's like, I don't know, he was like, it was part of the deal. I just had to give him all these cigars. Very weird. Arnon. Just, no, not Arnon himself, he gave him cigars though. Just the, the ID, like how like they're interrogating people for giving him cigars and alcohol and stuff like this. And it's almost like he's like, like they need to do this to impress him or something or like, maybe it's some sort of weird control thing I don't understand. It's a gift. I mean, it's very normal in the VIP world and, you know, politics and whatnot is gifting, right? That's how you get around tax, right, right, right, declarations, you know, you're giving someone gifts instead of money. That doesn't surprise me. The, Benia, who's a, he's a dark one, he's a very dark, dark personality. I mean, I met him, he, I think he's a sociopath, but, you know, I just, I don't, I don't get the impression that he, uh, that he has much empathy, um, right. And you know, you go back into the story about, um, uh, she was not before Sharon, uh, who was the Israeli prime minister that was killed in the 90s, um, I'm blanking on his name. Um, that assassination. There's, you know, Nihau was there at the time, and he was rat, he was riling up the right wing at the time, uh, Rabin, and Rabin was trying to work on, you know, towards a peace deal with, uh, Erifat, you know, this was in the 90, what, 95, 95, I remember, and it was really shocking, you know, the, his assassination. And, you know, some people really wonder about Nihau having a role in that beyond fomenting the right to basically not agitating the right, basically calling Rabin a traitor. I mean, Rabin was a hard right guy who basically said, look, enough war. We need to, we need to make peace with our neighbors and for that, he was killed. So, I mean, I don't know, Nihau and Hamas are like, they're two sides of the same coin. They find the wonder that, you know, his rail has been accused of financing Hamas. It's like, that's, you know, you got to, like I said, you create your, you create your enemies, because that's the level of, you know, of consciousness that they're playing at. Yeah. It's an endless war game. It's a blood game. With, are an on, I mean, you know, people think because he was a producer on JFK that he directed my dad away from the Israeli connection, and they said, my dad spent, he came, my dad came back to do another documentary series called JFK through the looking glass, and that was both a documentary on a series. I mean, he wanted to, yeah, he wanted to, you know, he went to reassess with the documents that did come out post after the film, there were a number of documents, government documents, archives that were released in the '90s, and even before this, this newest. batch. And then I wanted to like, re-approach and just say, look, what is what are the documents say? What are the forensics say and get back into the story again? Yeah. And I mean, my dad understands, as I said, the Israeli motivation, I just, we have not seen the evidence of, you know, who, which, which operatives in the assassination were Israelis, whereas the rail is really command component. Right. That's something that, you know, it's like the British have a motivation, you know, but, but we don't know like it, without pointing to certain people and saying, okay, that one's an operative of Britain or Israel. Like, it's very difficult to say that they, that they killed them, you know? And so, as far as, you know, Milshan, Milshan was a producer on JFK, but he was a partner with my dad on a number of projects. And they fell apart because he was supposed to make Nixon with my father. So when I went to make Nixon and Arnon basically reneged on the deal or whatever, he backed out. So my dad went on to make Nixon without him. And they, they parted ways at that point. Was it, did, did Arnon have any sort of like creative input or was he just financial or? No, I mean, he was a, he was a finance guy. I mean, he knew good scripts. He believed in direct. I think he believed in my father at that point. You know, I had a three Oscars. I think, you know, he believed in him as a filmmaker. Yeah. It wasn't, you know, you're, you're talking, you know, he creative input. It depends on, there's very few directors, as they say, who get final cut in Hollywood, right? That's a rare thing. So you always have a lot of input on projects from studios, producers, you know, but the, but also input is part of the creative process. Anyway, you're going to get notes. You're going to, you know, but I don't know. Like, you know, you get stories like the Kubrick, you know, eyes wide shut thing and whether or not they were, they were things cut out of that movie. You know, I wish I had really read the shining. You know, it's so interesting. I, I wish I had known more about this conspiracy theories around eyes wide shut. Well, I don't know about the shining. There was never any, because Kubrick died before the eyes wide shut was complete. That's why people suspect that there's all the suspicion that there were things taken out of the final cut, because he died. Well, Rogan had one of the producers of that movie on his show, right? And he was playing himself. It was somebody who was involved in making that movie. I don't think it was someone I mean, I think was someone who knew someone, but I don't think it was directly involved because I could have sworn it was. It's, it's one of those things like I wish, when I, I wish I had known this because when my dad in the Alexander, or the video monitor guy, right? So the guy that sets up, which one was Alexander? Uh, with Colin Farrell and Angelina Jolie about Alexander the great. Oh, okay. So the guy that ran the video village and the video monitor had done eyes wide shut. Now he would know. He would know. Was it Roger Avery? Yeah, Roger Avery exactly. So Avery, I mean, Avery is coming from a secondhand account. It's a rumor. That's why I said I would have loved to ask. She's still a lot of video monitor guy. If she knew. Yeah, you can find him. You could ask him, was there footage that you saw because you're monitoring, you're obviously like, you know, you're monitoring the monitors. If there was footage that stands out to you that was taken out of the, of the cut, because then, you know, because people get all this 20 minutes was cut out and they write a show more of, you know, everything from, I've heard reptilians to like children, you know, you get all these like rumors and it just gets like, it gets kind of crazy. But, you know, you want to get to someone like the scriptwriter wrote a book about it. He never said anything was like drastically different. So, you know, you have to find someone that really was there that would know. Well, you had the astronauts that went on the Apollo missions also wrote books about that. That's a question, isn't it? Well, they're Masons. So you, they are Masons. You wonder about the Masonic nature of the operation. And I always want to look to, to me, the moon landing, I always say, look, I think we went to the moon. I don't think we want it with the technology that they showed you. That's my stand on it. That we have much more advanced ships and craft. And what they showed us, little tin can kind of stuff is for public consumption. I think if we went to the moon, I think it's possible when we went to the moon, but I don't think it's possible that that footage is real. Well, you've seen the bar. Was it Bart Sabrell's documentary? Yeah. Where they are supposed to be three, like two days out or three days out and they pull back the camera and they're just in the upper, upper atmosphere or something in the stratosphere. Basically, they're not, you've seen that? I think so. It's the, what really happened on the way to the moon. I've seen the movie. I don't know if I remember the exact moment you're talking about though. Yeah, it's, it's like it's part of the great reveal is he's got this NASA. Oh, whether in, okay, whether in the capsule. They pull out. Yeah. They shoot, they shoot from like at the back of the capsule. I think it's what really happened on the way to the moon. I think it's even on YouTube. A funny thing happened on the way to the moon. And they're basically at the back of the, the shuttle, like shooting out the window. And so the earth looks really small in the window. Yeah. And then they open the aperture. And like they're, they basically stop recording. They thought they stopped recording. They stopped broadcasting. They opened the aperture. And you can see that the earth is really big outside the window. It's like taking up the whole entire window. Exactly. Just a little sphere. Yeah. If we could find it because we showed it on the show on the product. I've actually had Bart in here with Charlie Duke. One of the last Apollo astronauts to walk on the moon. So like three that are alive. And he's one of them. And, and it was a complete shit show. Bar, you know, it was not a good combination of personalities. First of all, I don't really think we got anywhere. I don't, I was not convinced by either of them. I wasn't convinced that Bart was right. And I was not convinced by Charlie Duke that they actually went to the moon. Right. He was kind of a broken record. He kind of just saying, like, if I didn't go to the moon, how do I get all these moon rocks? You know, one of the biggest problems with the thing was the radiation. You know, what's one of Bart's big points in his documentary is the Van Allen radiation belts. He's saying that human beings wouldn't be able to survive passing through that back and forth with that thin little layer of aluminum. And because the, I guess the Soviets sent like dogs and stuff to those radiation belts. None of them survived. Like, and even a monkey. I think like no human being he believes has ever survived passing through that. And there's even videos we pulled up of on Braun giving presentations on the Van Allen radiation. Yeah. And there's other astronauts. Even to this, even the recent, there's modern astronauts that talk about, we need to solve the problem of radiation before we send people this far out into space. Yeah. And we showed those videos to Charlie Duke. And I said, Charlie, when you are planning on when, you know, I'm sure there was a lot of planning, right, to go to the moon. I'm not a guy. I'm not an expert, but I'm sure there was a hefty amount of planning that you guys had to go through, right? And he's like, yes. I'm like, so what sort of preparation did you guys go through? Or what did they at least warn you about when it comes to the radiation bells? He said they never discussed them. That makes no sense. I know. Did he ask him what the stars look on the moon? I did. I don't remember what he said about the stars. So what I understand is about the stars is like, they could see it with the naked eye, but with the exposure of the cameras, because the surface of the moon is so bright, if you expose for the moon, you're going to lose the stars. That makes sense. Yeah. But they, I'm sure to the naked eye, they'll be like, it must have been insane, right? That's why I was curious. Yeah. Well, so when I asked him, I was like, I was like, can you just walk me through what was going through your mind the moment you opened the door and you walked on the moon for the first time? And he was just said excitement, excitement, just exciting. I'm on the moon. It was exciting. And I'm like, man, if I walk to the moon, I'd have more words than exciting. Right. Yeah. That's just what I feel. I mean, I walk to Himalayas and I've had like surreal experiences, just being at, you know, whatever, 15, 20,000 feet. Right. Right. Yeah. So this is the video that you were, you were referring to earlier of the, um, this is when the first, this is from the first, the Apollo 11, right? 11. Yeah. Yeah. And so they're, they're supposed to be like two or three days out at this point. Yeah. I'm going to say that there's another hatch window hatch over there. Well, I don't think that's a hatch or just a light. It looks like a light. We actually pulled up a 3D model of that capsule. Uh-huh. And there's a hatch there. Yeah. So there's nothing looks, so that's, that looks like a light. Right. So it's like, it's supposed to be the earth. That is the earth, but it's supposed to be like far away, right? Because we're two, three days out. All that black around it on the board. Yeah. Open up the aperture. So he believes there was a transparency in front of that window that like made it look like it was the actual full shape of the earth. Yeah, this is the light hitting the edge of the, like the window sill. Yeah. So yeah, you're seeing shit in front of it. You can tell like how, so how is the camera? And he explains in the audio of this video how he says that we have the camera pushed up against the glass, I believe. And then you hear the also you hear somebody saying talk. Yes. There's a delay. Yeah. There's definitely the fact that we could transmit all the way from the moon to the phone of the president's, the president's phone. I mean, look, I'm more interested by the black, the black programs are like the secret program, secret space program kind of stuff. Like the Gary McKinnon hacking, remember the Gary McKinnon story hacking our NASA and basically like seeing these craft that are in this guy. This is the kind of stuff that resonates more with me of how we're going to travel through space, right? Very advanced propulsion systems probably, we're probably at, you know, I don't know if we've achieved fusing, I would imagine that's feasible, but not be disclosed to the private sector or to the public. And I mean, it's the kind of stuff that I saw before the show, I told you, the night of the Palisades Fire. It was, okay, so the Palisades Fire is starting L.A., and basically, you knew it was being set up because we had just come off of the heaviest rainfall in decades. Literally, L.A. was, because we always had to worry about droughts and stuff and whatnot. So we'd been coded with rain. And then for nine months, they stopped the cloud seating programs, which are acknowledged. Cloud seating, right? I didn't know that was happening in L.A. Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. So basically from like March or whatever, it was like nine months until January of 25. So March or so, no rain. So we know we're in a dry spell, we're nowhere, and we know we're now in the drought. And it's January and the Santa Ana start kicking in. Now every year, we get three or four Santa Ana's a year. It's normal. It's normal. And winds are eastern winds coming from the desert, drawing dry, basically blowing dry air. And then you can get fierce. And it's like everyone who lives in Southern California knows the Santa Ana's and you get, you know what's coming with it. So you know that it's like a fire hazard. It's just like clockwork. So the fact that you've got this sort of this perfect brew, right, of dry Santa Ana winds coming fast. In this case, they get up to a hundred miles an hour or something, which is pretty crazy. A hundred? Well, I can't remember if it would hit a hundred, but it was blowing hard, right? It's blowing really hard. And so yeah, basically we've got this perfect storm. All it takes is little fire. And apparently, you know, that there was like an arsonist that they claim like started it. But I heard it was Spencer Pratt that started it. They've been watching too much Democrats, CNN. But the point is that like we knew, you know, you know what's coming, right? The fire department. Everyone knows what's coming. So the fact that there's pretending to be caught on awareness is completely not hogwash because every couple of years, the last, I mean, since like 20, what was it? The Santa was the Santa Susana fire where they blew up light. They basically burned down like an old nuclear station and looked like a mushroom cloud over LA. Like I've like in light took off. I'm like, I don't know what people are breathing right now. I'm not going to breathe that I went to I went east to Palm Springs. But when is every, you know, you can see at like clockwork, they are burning these areas. The paradise fire that, you know, the Malibu fire, like it's just, it's just coming, right? It's just coming on stop. And so that night, basically, after the fire has just started, the winds are blowing bad. I was at a dinner like south of Santa Monica. Some driving north, my friend's driving, and we're going up Sepulveda, which is right next to the four or five, going from south to north. And I swear to you, we're driving at night. A streak of light appears across the entire sky. But it was a streak like you could see like a cut the sky. And it's just like a light from right from east heading west. And we hear a boom, almost like a sonic boom of energy with the light, basically. We see the streak and we feel like the sonic boom of energy almost like shake the car. And it's like, it was a big car was against the beat. And it was like, what was that? And then, you know, she's like driving. So she looks up and she's like, there's like some kind of like craft or something. And it's like, she couldn't identify what it was, but it was moving fast enough to give us to shake the car. Right. And then I don't know, I saw some videos that interesting it made a loud sound. Well, it's the power. It's like a sonic boom of the energy of something moving fast, right? Right. And I just, you know, I don't know. I saw some video from like various, you know, of the stations that were covering it to look like something like a little light was moving around the fires. And almost like it was, you know, you can say crazy, but like, setting like lasers to like start, start the fires like to hit the, um, what I would imagine is they would have hit the, uh, some of those power cables. Mm. Spark them. And to basically perpetuate the fire. Well, that's crazy. That makes sense. If you want a fire, you make sense. Like I said, I mean, these things to me, it's like, like the Maui fire. Like you got to, you got to make sure that these things burn, burn the area out. If you're looking to buy it up on mass, which is, you know, kind of what's happening. Buy up, you know, cheap property, build out a smart city, whatever it is, you know, that they're doing. Mm-hmm. So what do you think those lights were? No, I'm saying, I think it was a craft. A craft. I think it was one of these, um, craft that, you know, are off books kind of like, uh, people talk about a lot of triangle craft, the TR3s are called, I think they basically never heard of a TR3. No. They like triangle shaped craft that like, like the slice type thing. No, these are ours. These are like government, like, like space, like secret space program, kind of stuff like triangle craft. Yeah, they're like, they seem like a very advanced stealth bomber. I mean, for remember, they didn't announce a stealth bomber to what the first skull four, I think. Right. Until then, if you saw a stealth bomber, you'd been like, that's an alien. Oh, yeah. Sure. I just think TR3 is advanced, you know, advanced craft. So that thing right there is what it looks like the TR3. Yeah, that's the one that people have seen a lot of. Whoa. Most identify. Um, I'm not saying that's what I saw. I'm just saying that that's, to me, an example of like one of these black program craft that we've got. That's wild. Yeah, I've had people on here tell me that I think that even the Phoenix lights things were government's thing, government balloons and stuff like that. I mean, we had the drones showing up all over the East Coast and no one stills, and it still does what those were. Oh, yeah. Right. I forgot about that. In 24, they were all over the East Coast, the drones and like, wasn't that supposed to be Iran? Yeah. We didn't shoot them down because we were scared of the Chinese. I mean, or China was that what it was? Yeah, it was like, but I'm like, okay, so we don't shoot them down. Why? What's going on? Yeah. The Chinese, the Chinese balloon. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's too much. Too much craziness happening in the news. It's like a little pay attention to kind of have to just allow things to like, reach you. That's what I feel like. The information that's important will reach you and a lot of it is distraction. A lot of it is designed to like take away our energy and distract us and keep us feeling disempowered and weak and that's why, you know, I like to just come back to like things that I can affect in my reality and walk my path, you know, and just don't get over too caught up with the things I can't change. I mean, it's like with technology in the media and like how we have so much access to everything instantaneously. It's like a double-edged sword, right? It's like on one hand, yeah, it's making people more aware of like the evil and the corruption that's happening around the world with world leaders and with governments and stuff. That people like you and me want nothing to do, nothing to do with. And it's probably making us more united at some level, at least people that are aware of it. And on the other hand, it is the perfect tool for governments that want to keep secrets because they no longer have to worry about keeping stuff secret because now they can just flood the zone with bullshit. And it's impossible to pick the wheat from the chaff, right? It's impossible to pick the needle out of the haystack of what's real. What's that? They've always been doing this. I mean, this is cy war. This is psychological operations. I mean, imagine the only difference is they used to have, you know, three channels and now there's three million. So now you have a little bit more diversity in choosing your, you know, your vector of where you want to, you know, get your information from or try to, you know, try to make sense of the world through. But yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, it's very frustrating. I mean, even being in California, right, where we're just in LA seeing, you know, typical election shenanigans, which I think 2020 was like a big wake up call for people to realize. Yeah, this is the strategy, it's basically, you know, wait till the election day, find out how many votes you need and then just, you know, basically mail in as many after the fact I mean, 50,000, we get 50,000, we get 40,000 from Skid Row, we get 40,000 from Skid Row. You know, no, no ID, everyone's got a ballot, even illegal, so it's like just, yeah, just flood them, you know, just flood the zone and it's really, it really makes this country feel like a men are a public when we should be using a blockchain or something to identify like, you know, every voter should have like a blockchain number and to be able to go and see their, their vote right there on the blockchain, oh, that's my number, that's my vote should be reflected publicly. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, how many people don't vote, right? Like how many people that, I feel like the people that are most aware of this stuff that are paying the most attention, the younger folks don't even fucking vote. You know, it's only the people, the older folks who are more tapped into mainstream news, like Fox and CNN are the ones that are going out and voting, like, I think the perfect example of that would be this recent Kentucky race with the Senate race and Kentucky with Thomas Massey and then the other guy, where like every commercial that, I guess they just spent millions, what was it? Like 13, 14 million dollars. on that race in Kentucky. And then if you watch the guy's commercials that was running against Massey, he never says a word. In any of the commercials, all it is is Trump talking, it's videos of Trump saying this guy's great war hero, strong handshake, vote for him. And then at the end of the commercial, it goes, I'm Ed Galleray and I approve this message. That's the whole thing. I think I won because those are people that vote, the people that watch that shit. - Yeah, I mean, I don't vote completely simply because I think it's all a racket. - Yes. - It would be, look, we've got a system where both party, you know, the Republicans are supposed to be limiting spending, but they spend just as much as the Democrats ultimately, well, at least in the national level, right? We're talking about the national debt. Just it just continues to grow and grow and grow no matter who's in office. At the state level, I don't know. I know the California is a horribly run state and it's been run by one party really, at least since Schwarzenegger. So it should be an indication that there's something wrong, but it's like, they just, how do you say it? Like, they swap out the tires. - They swap out the tires, yeah. - That's pretty much it. The car's broken down, but they swap out the tires. - Well, California is interesting too because you have so much craziness happening with the homeless issues and everything else. And at the same time, it's that, what is it, California, the number 3GDP of any country in the world? Like all the, yeah, about six or something, six, I think. - It's insane because of all those giant tech companies. - It's a huge amount of revenue. Don't know where it goes. It's one of those mysteries, kind of like the New York City budget. - Yeah. - That's the whole goal. - Yeah. And it's also very fast standing how all those tech people are, especially Silicon. We were in Wimbledon, San Francisco. That was like four years ago, something like that. San Francisco. - Yeah, we were in San Francisco. And there's my first time ever being in San Francisco, like four years ago, something like that. And like I had not been aware of the fact that you have to leave your car unlocked so that people just, they won't break your windows. Like the dude we were visiting, he's like, just leave your rental car, don't take, don't leave anything in there. Leave the door unlocked because they're gonna get in one way or the other. It's easier for them to open the door and broke your window. - That's crazy. - Road warrior. - That's crazy. I mean, as we just found purses laying on the street, you know, apparently they're trying to fix that now. But what, the point of election season, they got to make it look better. - Right, right. Or when they brought G, when G came to San Francisco, they cleaned it up big time. - Right, right, exactly. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But. - And no dressing. - I find it interesting that you have like, all these tech, all the guards, like talking spiritual now. - Yeah. - They're all getting spiritual. - They're into the spiritual war. - Yeah. No one, you got, Peter teals more into the anti-Christ stuff. But he's like, you know, trying to project himself as being some, there's been some big Christian church there, apparently, where all the tech people are now like converting to Christianity and all these big tech investors are, there's one tech company that, not a tech company, there's one company that invests in tech companies. I forget what the name of it now. But yeah, they're all involved in like preaching the Bible to people in Silicon Valley, which is very wild. - It's interesting. Are they bringing revelations to bear? Is that the, you know, it's kind of, makes you wonder, right? Like, if, if, if, like they have to do whatever they can to justify the total surveillance society. - Yeah. - Right. And, you know, it's like, I look at things as, the unit, like to say, the unit party. Maybe a little bit of, maybe a little bit of coraling between like those that are totally globalists and those that are more like, hey, we want to see America sustain as a nation, as a republic. You know, I think that's kind of, to me, the real heart of the battle. That's what, you know, Trump is supposed to represent is more the nationalist impulse against the globalist impulse, right? And, and then, you know, but in the meantime, they're all moving towards like, you know, total surveillance society and digitization. I mean, whether or not we, hopefully Trump has been opposed to this idea of like the digital currency, right? The digital digitization of like all currency and whatnot. But, but that's kind of where, where things are going on the tech side of it, right? It's like, it's a total digital identification. We all have digital avatars. We all are tracked and monitored and are habits. I mean, everything is, is known and knowable. So, it's like an effort. So it was just telling me that TSA just made some, the TSA is making a big change where they're going to require people to do mandatory facial scanning. Now, if you want to travel. Yeah, I mean, I've seen that coming. I mean, they basically, for years, even in the last few years ever since COVID, it's been like, you know, I go abroad. And, I mean, I've accepted it because I understand like that, we have like, I have a, some level of a public figure. So it's like, okay, you know, that's my public face. But, yeah, when you want to fly, like they'll take your, they'll just do facial recognition. They don't even look at your passport now. That was a few years ago. I noticed that. I've noticed those at airports, but I've always. The craziest thing to me actually was coming back and not having to go through customs. I was like, wow, it's been pretty cool. Like the old days. That's already happening. Five, five minutes. Most of the time, I mean, I go through, and through Florida a lot, like Miami and stuff. There was no customs. What? And no customs declaration, which is really, which is interesting to me. You know, like, they used to give out the forms like. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I haven't seen those in like, in ages. Really? I feel like ice. We mean, so when you're laying there, the flight attendant comes and passes you out of those forms. I haven't seen that in ages. Interesting. Maybe I just haven't noticed. I think it's all facial recognition now. So they just know you. They're like, okay, we know who you are. We're just tracking you and that's, I don't know. I mean, and so like, and you even see like, in going to Miami Airport, they'll be like, you know, they have the cameras, they say like five miles out. They're like, they start the surveillance and stuff. Yeah. They notify you. I've accepted, I look at things like, you have to, okay, you have to understand that there's a, we're all playing publicly, like public commerce. All the commerce is public, right? Everything like people think that their money is theirs. Well, no, the cash, all that can be seized. That's all digital. Can all be seized. No, it's not just the digital. It's a federal reserve note. It belongs to the Fed. It's a promissory note. Right. It's not constitutional money. Constitutional money is gold and silver. The other stuff is just. Right, but money in your bank account is essentially, yeah, I can be seized. You seized the bank key, you know, the bank can do a bail-in that could take it. They can mess with it. I mean, if they want, they can, they can mess with you, right? Like, you name it. So you have to understand like, there's a public face to all this commerce. We have to regain ourselves, you know, as the private person, not the citizen, you know, not beholden to that government commercial game, you know, essentially, 'cause government is overall of it. It's all government over the private sector, but entwined with it, right? So like, that's why these big contracts are going out to, you know, the companies that become the, you know, the trillion dollar companies or whatnot, the multi-billion dollar companies. They're going to be conscious of government, but ultimately it's government, it's government and behind it is the private central banking system, lending money to the government to be the tax collector. That's the government's job. It's there to collect taxes, right? To pay back the banks. - Right. - You know? - Yeah, I guess at some point it's just futile to fight it. You just kind of like kind of go with it. - Become, well, let's just say focus prioritize your private side, your private life. So understand like you as a, as a spiritual being, I believe, like that's what matters. Like get right with your creator, get right with yourself, focus on, you know, what you can do in your own life. Because ultimately again, this is a much bigger game of commerce and, you know, states and empires and things that, you know, transcends any of us. - Yeah. - That's why I just went back to like, the last thing I did was just writing a book about 10 things to learn as humans, you know, just to be human in the world. It's like, increasing, increasingly transactional, increasingly disorienting and disassociative. Like let's just come back to like the myths. - The myths. - Back to the myths. - Back to the myths. - Back to the ancient texts. - Yeah, the threads. Exactly, the threads that we have like, you know, whether it's, you know, whether it's the stories or the myths, you know, the things that like, whether it's, you know, biblical, whether it's Greek, whether it's, you know, Asian, Buddhist, Hindu. It's like there are certain stories that transcend time. Right. Why? Because they have lessons for us, you know. - It's definitely interesting diving into a lot of that stuff. It's definitely gives you a very unique perspective when you actually read it versus like listening to the distilled version of it, stories that you hear like on the internet and stuff like that, you know. What led you into this free masonry stuff? - Curiosity. - I'm Shannon Maldonado. I'm a professor at Artesan University of Technology. I'm a professor at the University of Technology. perustin pyöräilyvaatteita valmistavan ornotin vuonna 2013. Mielestäni parasta Shopify saan se, että voimme harjoittaa liiketoimintaan Irman teknistä osaamista. 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And so anyway, this is crazy wild stuff. I'm telling you, you start messing with this, things happen, it opens portals. But some people think because the 42, it shows in 46, that it opened the door to the UFO sightings starting in 47, right before Roswell, it was like the first major wave. And then Roswell is what, like right around July 4th, 47. And so some people thought that this was actually like, yeah, like they were doing these workings and opening portals to these beings to come through. Anyway, there are definitely people in the military intel world that believed this stuff. And that's why, look, if you know it's there, you probably do find your faith. So that's why I don't scoff at people like Teal, finding Christianity if it's genuine. Because when you know this stuff is real, you do look for faith, you do basically look to solidify your faith in your creator because that's the only power you've got against these things. And if they look at the potential for AI is demonic or the portals being open by, let's say, those windows, these dark mirrors, because that's what these are. These are dark mirrors. Every phone, every screen is a dark mirror. The old days, what did witches and conjurers work with? Dark mirrors. That's how they would invoke the spirits in a dark mirror. Mm-hmm. You know, black mirrors, they call them black mirrors. Right. But that's what we're surrounded by now. Black mirrors. So what else left and right maybe? So what is a demon? What do you think a demon actually is? Low vibrational, low vibrational entity, I would say. So again, I think you can feel these things like based on the feeling it gives you. Like if something brings like a higher, like I don't think that the demons can operate from like a place of heart and love, right, and high and up. They're gonna operate from here down. So they're gonna feed on our appetites, like our lesser appetites. You know, and that's why the seven sins, it's all like, you know, Dante's in Ferno, greed and lust and theft and murder and treachery and all that. You know, that leads you into hell. Okay, right. And then if you, you know, if you start to work with the heart, you know, as forgiveness, be aware of people, you know, people that you heard, things that you do that, you know, that hurt others. Like you start to have more awareness, more reciprocity in relationships. Like that's, that's where we want to be as humans, right? So the demons, I think they feed on and operate at that lower level. And when you, as a human are operating at that level, and we all do it to some extent, to some extent, but like the more we do, like the more that they can attach to that. And that's why I think that there's a lot of entities that do attach to humans. And the more, you know, the more you surrender to them, essentially. - Yeah. I'm reading this book. - I'm reading this book about Satan right now that Jacques Vallet recommended. And it's this French book written by French Carmelite. I forget who wrote it, somebody from some French people wrote it. And the case the book makes is that that sort of way of being, that satanic way of being is the default mode for humanity. The humanities are up by default satanic unless you accept Jesus into your heart. And that's the only way you can get rid of it. That's what the book says. - I don't agree with that. I don't, I think that Jesus is a path in a way, but I think there's plenty of people around the world who are not satanic who don't believe in Jesus, but are still good people. In the sense that, I mean, that's kind of like the old Jesuit thing, like we have to convert you heathens, otherwise you're damn the hell kind of thing, right? - Right, right. - But I think that Jesus is the way, in the sense of like, he's an example, he's like, he's an example of like the perfected human, right? So certainly, you know, it's a great model. So you know, to follow, to embrace, to love. But the idea that like, you have to follow Jesus to be good. I don't think that's accurate. I think that people inherently know right from wrong when it comes to hurting others. Empathy. I would say that's to me the brahmator. - Yeah. - Are you empathetic? You know, even as a kid, are you empathetic? Or are you a sociopath? Are you one of those kids that like kills animals? - Right. - Hearts other people and like gets off on, like gets high on hurting people. - Right. You say like, oh, I hurt you, I'm sorry. - Mm-hmm. - That's the key, that's empathy. - Does Crowley or Parsons ever talk, is there, I mean, I've never read, I haven't read anything on what they were doing back then. But do they talk about how they were able to do this? I mean, it says like, sex rituals and shit like that, but like specifically, like what? - So the ritual, the Babylon working. They sing a knocky and magic. I mean, knocky and magic, you can find books on it. Just like it's, it's incantations that John D put together. The Queen Elizabeth's, you know, head sorcerer. - Yeah. - And that's powerful stuff, as I mentioned. I did a, I picked up one of the books in my library and I started doing, I read the incantation. - Really? - They meditated in the 30 minutes later. I got a phone call from one of these unknown numbers. - Whoa. - And it was literally like, this like thing coming through. - I don't know, are you a sorcerer? - Oh, it's sharp. - And then it was like, and then it was garbled. It was really hard to understand the rest of what it said. - Did you call them? - Talking and talking and talking, then it disconnected. - Did you call them Rack? - It was unknown number. - An unknown number. - Yeah, yeah, I would get these like unknown numbers or 6666666666 numbers. It was like, it was a wild time. - Rose, CIA, they were on you. - No, one of them was a ball worship. It was like a ritual. Yeah, it was one time, it was like, I put on Alex Jones, 'cause I was like, this is like, I recorded it, but like, they called, I was with my friend, who was also the Mason, and it was 6666, and it was like, literally, they were going like, they were invoking ball, they were like, it was like, they were trying to draw our energy into their ritual, it sounded like. They were calling us and like talking about ball and all, all, all, all, all, all, all, and he's kind of chanting kind of voices. And we're just like, what the, what do you want, you know? But it's never, they don't, they're never clear, you know, that's the point. - Yeah. - It's always, it's like, they're trying to pull you energetically into something, that's what it feels like. - Who, who? The entities. - The entities. - The entities, they, I mean, the entities are like, and again, I don't think all like aliens or demons, it's just, there's different entities with different agendas, some, as I said, you can feel it by the freak, by the, by where you're at, 'cause it feel like it's parasitic, like it's sucking on you, or that it's like, that it's dark, or does it feel loving and, you know, of like, of God. I mean, I think that there's so many entities in this planet that we don't see, you know, that are invisible to the naked eye, because we only experience like less than 1% of reality. - Right. - Right. Well, I think it's very interesting, you know, that all of these people like Jack Parsons and Elron, not necessarily, I'm gonna discard him, but like Jack Parsons and Wunervon Braun, and all of these people that were like, the foundation of the space program, were like so involved in this non-material, this like non-material sort of spiritual crazy stuff like this, right? - Wunervon Braun. - I believe Wunervon was, yeah, I believe. I mean, he was definitely like one of the, was he also connected to Parsons somehow? And like, - I don't remember about that. - I know that there was lots of Nazis that were very much into this stuff, and they were like allegedly creating some kind of like, very advanced esoteric technology. - Well, that goes back to like, the SS cult. - Yeah. - The deathhead, right? The thing like Himmler was really into the, the Grail lore and he had, they had the castle and they had like this black son and they had like this ritualistic markings and they seemed to have been doing some black magic. - But like my overall point is like, it seems to be like there's way more to some of the, the peak of technology and the space program and the history of the space program, there's way more to it than just the basic materialist view of science, right? There's definitely some crazy magic. - Because I don't think we understand what space is. - Right. - You know, and this kind of goes like the question of like, it'll be fascinating to go up to the space station even, or just, you know, just out of the atmosphere and just experience what space is. - Yeah. - You know how it affects consciousness. - Yeah. Like I said, just hiking in the Himalayas, like my consciousness was like, I felt like I was walking with like Eden or something, like not Eden, but like some pre-Deluvian world, you know, before the floods, before the, before humans came, it's like the mountains are just like, have this ancient power to them. - Yeah. - You know, and then, you know, when it's space, it's really mysterious. It's not, I don't think it's a vacuum. I think it's, it's probably filled with like plasma. You know where this is? The Plasma Science? It's like the whole, like, what's it called? Like lightning bolts of the gods and all the plasma physics. Remind me. And just basically plasma is like, it's called like the four state of matter. Right, right. I'm like, yeah, so it's ionically charged. Yeah, but the idea is that like there's little like plasma across space. Okay. So it's not an empty vacuum. Right. It's filled with plasma. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. There's a whole physics around it like in how like explaining like how the universe is designed differently than what the current cosmology wants everyone to believe that it's sort of like a big bang, bang expansion and like leading into like a, you know, to heat death, right? Like currently, it's like, it's just expanding to death, right? We're all going to, everything's going to get so far apart that it's all going to end up in like, in a, in a death of the, of the universe. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like that we're, we're trying to fit the universe into like a different ontology. Right. Is this what's going on? Like there's just the idea, I had some person, some people explain this to me before, how like just the idea that the universe had to have started at one point and is going to end at one point and was created at a time in a place by a single person or entity is kind of a fallacy. Right. Honestly, we know for a fact that there are planets constantly living it being born and dying. The same thing with solar systems and galaxies and universes are constantly being destroyed and emerging all over the place. So like the idea, like that idea that this is like a linear thing is kind of a, a fallacy. Yeah. It's biblical. It's biblical. It goes back to the Bible story and that's why, you know, who, you know, you makes you wonder, was the Bible written really in Babylon, you know, when the Jews were in captivity in Babylon, is that really where the Bible was created? Hmm. The Old Testament. Right. Yeah. Because again, it's like a mixture, as you said, like it's a mixture of some, some Mary and myths, some Egyptian stuff, but it's, there's definitely this idea of like, you know, God creating the universe and then essentially like reaching to this crescendo, this twilight of the God's moment of the apocalypse or Armageddon, right, and then the return of the King. Yeah. You know, you really don't wonder what this is a, are we just, you know, how do you say, are we going to play out the mythology that we've chosen? Yeah. How, how deep do you think like the world leaders or like the upper echelon of bankers and secret societies that control the world are really into this kind of stuff? I think the ones that are in the know are very into it. I think the ones that are like, dynastic, the ones who count, like who actually know their bloodlines, who actually like care about title and they're initiated. So as I mentioned, like the Masons, like the Masons are a vast initiatory group. Once you're, once you're there, I think you get selected into more, like you, you know, paths get, you know, you get selected into more like secret groupings, you know, or whatnot. You can end up with, you know, in the OTO for example, which is like the Crowley kind of, you know, sex and blood magic kind of stuff, you know, you can end up with the Templars. You could end up with other, any number. I mean, there's so many, especially in Europe, I mean, Europe is filled with like, you know, the old dynastic bloodline families that I think have, you know, that's always been the rumor. Like they're much worse when it comes to like the cannibalism of kids and the kind of like the blood sacrifice kind of stuff that it's much darker in Europe than here. Really? Yeah, this is all kind of, this whole conversation we're having is like a conversation that you'd be laughed out of a room for having two years ago, right? And it's like, no, the Epstein files have come out and like all these things have been, I mean, it's for one, for whatever, like, you could say validated. I mean, the government hasn't really acknowledged any of it. They just kind of dropped it on us. And we're like, we're left to fend for ourselves. I'll tell you why. I said for ourselves. Totally, totally. But like, the fact that that was dropped on us is pretty crazy because you can't dismiss it anymore. Yeah. It's what's how to make how to make sense of it. I mean, I had to deal with like making sense of this stuff back in like the 90s and 2000s. Yeah. You know, when I was first reading about the Franklin scandal and whatnot, and that's why I did the the best kept secret docu-series to try to get people like a little bit of a thread or a path to make sense of a world where, you know, governments, politicians are involved in the trafficking and protecting it because the politicians are themselves either involved or compromised. Yes. You know, kind of with like with the drug traffic. I mean, I really touched on all these different threads, you know, the issue of like how we are mind controlled through media, through storytelling, right, to basically like think of these things as fantastic holo-for-out or, you know, they drop little hints like in the Regina Chrome and fear of loathings, right, where he's like, he's tripping and he's seeing the dinosaurs reptilians essentially, right? Yeah. But it's coming from such a far outsourced that you're not taking it very seriously except Hunter Thompson was a very good journalist because he's crazy as he's gone so as he was, he really was like immersing himself in all these things. In fact, he was even part of like Nixon's, he was part of like Nixon's campaign. Right. During the campaign, I mean, he was a serious journalist. He was just crazy because he opened himself to like everything and ultimately killed himself because I think he knew too much. And that's, well, I mean, going back to like the nature of like the book that then thinks to learn, it's like we are in the world having eaten the apple. We are in the world of mind. And everything that we think has to have some expression in our reality. So we actually have a lot of power, but we have to start with like recognizing the power of our thoughts and where our attention is going, right? Because all these things can only occur because we're allowing them to occur, you know, the dark stuff that's going on, we're allowing it. We accept it. And if we didn't, we would have stopped it collectively, we collectively are accepting these things. Yeah. Sadly, sadly to say, and people will be like outraged and be like, how can we accept it? It's like, no, thankfully we're starting to recognize what we've accepted because so many to for so long, people turned a blind eye for so long, culturally like you said, it was you laugh, someone talks about something like, you know, human sacrifice, they laugh. So basically by ridiculing, you're accepting rather than inquiring, investigating, saying, wait, now I want to learn more, wait, this isn't okay, it's not acceptable. We have to stop calling people crazy for having, you know, seen things or observed things or learn things that are uncomfortable. Only when we face the darkness, we're going to be able to shine light on it. And that will bring it to an end. Yeah. But as long as we try to be put, you know, as they've maintained the polite society around all this stuff, you know, whether it's pedophilia, whether it's, you know, darker crimes, like so much has been hidden and now it's really time to like be like David, who's like, you know, transgress, you know, he's King David, remember, he took, you know, he basically impregnated a married woman. He sent her husband off to die, basically kills the guy so he can hide his transgression. Yeah. Guess what? He's got to, he's got to get right with God. Mm-hmm. I'm like, that's where we are. We get right with our creator and really acknowledge the reality that we have co-creative collectively and stop making it them because that's always the excuse. They're the bad ones there. Yeah. But have you done the homework? Have you done your inner work? Are you spreading light? Are you doing, you know, are you being as good as you can every day, even just in a small way? Because if we all make, like, if we all clean up our own mess, the reality will change. Interesting. You think you'd have, like, a bottom up effect on the world. It's the only way. Be the change you want to see in the world, it's the only way. You can't change other people. So if we all start meditating and doing St. Cumbaya and getting right with ourselves, with our communities, with our families, this can somehow stop the absolute chaos we see happening on the global stage somehow. Yeah. Wow. Changes the priorities. I like it. Yeah, because it's the things we need to learn. We all fail. We all have, you know, we all fall. We all have our, you know, our falls from grace or, you know, our breakdowns, right? But like, what happens after that, you know, after that, you have to, like, we have to learn to surrender, to cry, to be transformed, right? Because that's how, like, then we recognize what we actually, like, what our priorities are. What do we actually care about? And when we realize what we care about, we also realize what we hate. And so hating is not a bad thing, because it's an energy force. But we have to, like, learn, like, okay, you can be, like, Hitler and try to, like, hate, hate, you know, I'm going to hate, and I'm going to exterminate that, which I hate. or you can be like, "Gondy," and be like, "No, I'm gonna not hate the person, I'm gonna hate the system, and I'm gonna work to change the system." And even when someone kills him, he still forgives the guy that kills him. You know, he literally is like Christ, he's like, "I forgive you." When you describe that sucking feeling of like the parasitic demonic force that you call, well, I feel like that is something that is inherent with, and that comes with money and power, because it seems like the people who have the most money and the most power are the ones that sort of lose empathy. They're the most afraid. Yeah. It's the thing is like, you know, when you, when you got an image, it's like if you have an image to maintain, or you have money to maintain, right, and you realize like the power and the responsibility. Well, you know, you have to, if you know, when it comes to the wealth, you can live with that reptilian brain, which is like our root, right, of our brain. It's like that ancient fear. I have to strive before the other one strikes me. It's stupid game theory. You know, it's like screw the other guy before he screws you, kind of mentality. Yeah. You end up, you end up sociopathic. And this is a story that's as old as, as old as the written word, right? I mean, we have these same stories. It's like, it's so spooky to me, how like some of the stories that you read in this Epstein files parallel, some of the shit happening with like ancient Roman empires, you know, and Tiberius and the Romans, they look, I mean, there's an interesting question that how much was picked up from the east through the nature of like once the Republic fell, right? It was like, it turns into an empire and they go eastward and there's it. Who was it? Was it one of the writers basically said, if you look in the Roman, like it, look in the names now of all the Roman families, they're all basically from the east. They've been, like, we've been bringing Babylonian people, basically, into our, into our empires, no longer traditional Rome. It's now been like, we've adopted Eastern ways, Babylonian ways, practices. Yeah. And more hedonism. And I mean, yeah, the stories around Capri were, was it Tiberius was in Capri where he had his villa? Capri, yeah. And that's where, like, he would have like the boys and, you know, they did, they threw people off the cliff, I think, and yeah, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, the debauchery. I mean, it became, and then, you know, they, yeah, they became hedonistic. They became, they, they, they operated with cults and there was an archaeologist who excavated that island and they found just, like, off the edge of that cliff, just tons of skeletons of children. Yeah. Yeah. And so they had, and they have the cults of power. So, like, if you're not initiated into the right cult, you won't know, you know, the kind of darks that had to say, you won't understand, you won't have power in that society. You have to be initiated. So, it was, you know, how do you say? Yeah, it was not a great model. I mean, people are, you know, yeah, they, they built an infrastructure, they, they had water, you know, piping and, like, you know, some amazing, what do you call it? The water, aqueducts and things like this, and some upgrade architecture. But, no, and then they, they basically ended up relying on mercenaries and gradually, it collapsed. They had to, I mean, the interesting question is like, Catholicism is very much a Roman adoption, right? It's like the continuation of the Roman Empire by turning the, you know, the emperor into a pope and the Roman Senate into the Roman Curia. And so, ironically, the Roman Empire has survived in the form of the Catholic Church, because spiritual, that was the only way to survive. You know, they didn't have the, the moral impetus, but they could find a spiritual impetus to survive. And now the Catholic Church is still one of the wealthiest groups in the world. If they are the wealthiest, maybe the wealthiest, right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then like, you know, also, like some of the crazy disgusting shit that was happening back then, that they were doing that makes no sense to us today, but they probably believed helped them some way, like drinking the, like, they would have, like, old ailing aristocrats who were like dying of some sort of disease. They would slip the throat of some young 20-year-old warrior and drink his blood. Yeah, we still have that. We still, I mean, now we know the power of like, you know, how do you say of, like, blood transfusions from young people, isn't that one? Isn't that like a new thing now? Oh, yeah, there's a guy who's famous for it. Brian Johnson, there's this guy who, like, thinks he's going to, his goal is to live for as long as possible. And he, like, started out, I think, taking the blood of his kid and injecting him to his all, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's just fucking bonkers, people. It's Saturn. It's Saturn. So, what is Saturn or Kronos in the Greek myth, right? Saturn, Kronos. What does he, you know, he's the the Lord of Time and he's unwilling to transfer power. I mean, that's the nature of time. It's like, it has to surrender, right? There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a circularity to it. It's a cycle, but he refuses. So he eats his own children. In the same way, when Shopify was the main product, it was the first time that it was a real product. In the same way, it was a real product. So, this is probably my 18-something. Yeah. Yeah. So, one of my friend of mine told me she was doing research in the Spanish. So, it's a guy who was Spanish, right? She was doing research in the Spanish Museum, like a National Museum in Madrid, I think. And she goes, she was like there at night. And it was, she started hearing these, like something like echoing. And she got curious. And she went off to where like an area that was roped off. And she basically like got close enough to like see. She said there was like a bunch of cloaked people. And they were doing some kind of incantation. Drawing upon the energy of paintings in the museum. Like Ghostbusters 2 style. Jesus. And that would be the kind of thing that, again, royals would have access to. People of, it's not just the kings and, I mean obviously all these countries in Europe still have kings and queens. But they've got the princes, they've got the dukes, they've got the titles and stuff. That's why I say there's a lot of stuff that goes on still. But, you know, under the guise of like it's a democracy or whatever. Yeah. But, you know, if you really empower, you don't want to, you don't want to claim it. You want to be behind the scenes. I had this guy on, who's a corner in France. And you know, he does autopsies on ancient people. So on the remains of ancient people, like he did work on the remains of Picasso, Napoleon, and he was also explaining that there's these paintings that were going around, that were allegedly painted using the blood of King Louis the 13th or something like this, and are using his heart because his heart allegedly was like sold in the black market. Someone took his heart, and someone allegedly bought his heart. And the story was that his heart was used to paint this painting. Remember this painting, Steve? And so he did an examination of the painting, and he tested the red pigment in the painting. Like took a sample of it, put it on microscopes, and tested it all of that. And sure as shit, like he tested the DNA and all that stuff, it was the actual heart fibers in the red pigment of the painting that belonged to that King. - I'm not surprised. - Insane stuff, what they were doing, man. And then he also showed us some, have you seen the, is this it? Is this, oh, this one's actually in the Louvre. So yeah, if you look at the red, the red pigment on her dress, that's from the fucking heart of which King, let's get the King, right? Oh, there it was, it was down there. King, Louis, Louis the 13th and 14th. - Yeah. - Wait, no. Yeah, both kings. - Many of them. - Wow. Wow. - The mummy brown and the marvelous glaze. - There's the restroom. I think if you look up the Sean Stone Alex Jones interview, you might find, we'll be right back. (air whooshing) - The skull of Mary Magdalene. Have you seen that at the Basilica in France? - And St. Bonne? - No, I think it's-- - Well, that's where she was, she died, right? They were, the sanctuary devoted to her and St. Bonne, it's a cave, it's really cool. - Right, so there's, no, this is somewhere else, Steve, find, show the skull of Mary Magdalene. It's like, it looks like it's in the space helmet, dude. It's wild looking. - I, oh shit. I have that. All right, so right there, yeah, we're like some Mary Magdalene. So this is allegedly the actual skull of Mary Magdalene. - And St. Bonne. - Oh, is that where it is? Okay. - Saint. - So this guy, this French guy, Charlier, Felipe Charlier, who is the corner, he's been trying to get them to give him permission to examine the skull and test it to see if it was really her. - Why not? - And they won't let him. - I don't want it to prove to be Hitler's skull. - They don't want it to be one of the-- - What exactly? - Being Hitler's skull. (laughing) - Did you imagine that? - Oh my God, dude. - You know, because apparently remember the skull that the Russians had, that they said it was Hitler, they remember that they got possession of the party. - Oh yeah, so he was a part of that. - Well, it was. - It's Charlier, this guy I'm telling you about. So he actually did an examination of not the skull, but the teeth of the job, part of the job bone of Hitler. - Which one? - I don't know. - Because the one the Russians had was a woman. - Oh, what? - Yeah, I was like, remember, like most likely Hitler escaped the bunker. - Right. - Right. - And that's even come out recently, I thought. Was it which files? Which batch of files? Was it Epstein's CIA? Some files was talking about this. They're like, Hitler escaped, you know, escaped Germany after, you know, during the war. And they faked his suicide. - This was in some of those declassified files. - Yeah, then just come out. - I vaguely remember something like this, but I just, just information overload. - Yeah. - So we can mind. - It's too much, to keep track of what's real, what's hallucination, what's AI hallucinating. - Well, I mean, what are the chances that all his top generals made it out alive? But he was the one that was noble enough to sink, go down with the ship. - Oh, yeah, exactly, you know. - Born, born man was a major one. That was his like chief secretary. And yeah, he was, you know, again, like you said, the rat line's got a lot of them out. So why wouldn't he have been the first to basically say, I'm not, you know, get me out of here. - Yeah, right. And he probably went to Argentina. This is how the story goes, right? - Yeah, yeah, that's one of them, the destinations. - Mm-hmm. Man, I'm so pissed we can't find this audio recording of this demon calling you. That would have been great. - When is the documentary come out? - It'll be out in like a few weeks here. - A few weeks, so. - Are you gonna put it on YouTube? - Yeah, she got it to you guys. I should get you guys to the documentary. You can play a clip from it or something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to see it. Yeah, but the story of the story of all that, the history of all that and of, you know, how Hitler's life ended. It's very interesting. It's very, the story doesn't seem to make sense with the official narrative. 'Cause like, when Felipe, this corner I'm telling you about, when he was getting permission by the KGB, or the FSB or whatever it was to go get access to it, it was like a lot of interrogations. These guys had to go through to get in and interviews. They had to go through to get access to their archives where they had the Hitler skull. - So where is the job bone? - Yeah, I mean, that's where it says that the DNA test show that was a woman's skull. But what are the new files that are out about Hitler escaping to South America? - Yeah, there was new government declassification, new declassified files by the government that alluded to Hitler escaping or Hitler surviving. So you would type in something like declassified files, Hitler escape. Type it into your AI as he would come up with. It should have something. - Here you go, AI should know something about that. I mean, I use AI a lot. I think it's, people are funny, 'cause they're like, "Well, AI makes mistakes." I'm like, "Yeah, you're not supposed to treat it like God." You're supposed to use it as something that can do really rapid research and give you some feedback. It's a perspective. I think that's the key. You have to keep in mind, it's a perspective. It is not meant to be infallible. - Well, I mean, whenever people try to condense and give you one trough to get all your information, you should always be skeptical of it. Jerusalem post, the hunt for Hitler. See how you're aging? No, this is not it. This is anything about declassified files here? - Just probably the evidence. - That's justified. - Yes. - Yeah, Millied authorize the declassification of documents. - Okay, who is this guy? - Javier Millie. - The president of Argentina. - Oh, I see, there you go. Oh, I do remember this. Authorize the classification of these documents after the meeting with Simon Wiesenthal Center officials who have been with the Daily Mail. Also cited former UN Work Humps investigator who is more cautious about claims of Nazis aiming to build a fourth rike in Argentina. Where Peter Teal is now building his giant compound. Nothing to see here. - It's curious. It's all curious. - It is. - It's like, you know, a lot of things that we can only speculate about, right? - Yeah, yeah. So I like to work more from the evidence and build from that, or lived experience. - Right, yeah, definitely, man. Well, dude, thanks for doing this, man. This has been super fun. - It's been a ride. I mean, we've gone from JFK to the paranormal. - Yeah, we're all over the place. - We've seen this face program to the occult. - Seems pretty good. - There's nothing we haven't covered. - It seems pretty fitting. - Yeah, we haven't. The only thing we haven't covered is psychedelics. - Well, which ones? - You tell me. - I mean, I'm more of an ayahuasca. I've done a boga. A boga was pretty tripped, like a boga was a little bit stronger than ayahuasca, but not too, not dissimilar. The only thing I can say with a boga was the machine elves showed up on that one. - Oh, yeah. - And I didn't get the machine. I usually get the Elohim on ayahuasca. - You get the Elohim on ayahuasca? - Yeah. - God, Lord, I'm too scared to try ayahuasca. I'm terrified to be stuck in that state for that long. - Well, you don't have to be. I mean, you can just take one glassful, we'll only take you so far if you don't choose to continue and drink like two cups or three cups. It'll only take you for maybe a couple hours, and it may not take you that deep either. The first round, most of those may not take you all the way. So you can just feel like how your body's responding and if you're ready to go deeper, then you drink more. But it's not like a mushroom or you're eating much. - If you're doing regular DMT? - Yeah, smoked it. - Okay. - I just had a dude in the other day who was the patient zero for this intravenous DMT study, where they put you on an IV of DMT for like a couple hours, and they interview you and interrogate you the whole time, and they're trying to figure out what's actually going on. - That's cool. - Figure out, map the realm, figure out if there's anything there, figure out what it really is. - Pretty interesting. - I think it's interesting because, you know, like I said, what I see it as you can communicate. indicate with whatever entities are your higher self, however you want to perceive it, you can ask questions and with intention. So if someone is doing it more in a clinical state, they can ask questions that, because the nature of consciousness is such that I believe we're co-creating their reality, right? And so as soon as someone else is entering your sphere of consciousness and asking you to talk to these beings, now you're directly talking to these beings through that person. You're part of the experience. You've altered the experience by being present, right? Right. Right. It doesn't observe her. Then you're asking questions. Right. And yeah, so again, like where our consciousness is underlying, like that's all that we can say exists is my consciousness is all that I can say I know, right? I can never know your consciousness. I can only know you through the experience of my consciousness and the filter of my consciousness. And so like we're just kind of swimming in this. We know it's there, but we don't know what it is or what it comes from. You know, it's like a mystery. It's just like the mystery. It's just like all the biggest mysteries, you know, is there God who built the pyramids and what the hell is consciousness? What happens after we die? Well, I think, you know, the Egyptians would have said, you're building your life directing it towards the afterlife and that's sort of the Christian mystery too. It's like, you know, we're directing ourselves through our work and our thoughts, our beliefs, our life we're directing it towards the afterlife. That's very Egyptian. The Egyptians were all about that, like preparation for the hereafter. And then, you know, I think the idea is that through the, through remaining conscious, through the death experience, the intention is to like, project your consciousness into your next incarnation with intention, where you want to be, what you want to experience next. Right. Well, it is interesting that, you know, people that experience the, when you do experience these kind of like extremely psychedelic drugs like DMT or Iowalska, it does seem like very similar to what people describe when they have near death experiences, you know? Yeah, it was. So it's like, what is that? The fact that like, consciousness is not, like, not the brain creating consciousness, but consciousness exists and we tune in to it. Like we're in antenna. Yeah. Yeah. And we're like, we're able to experience more by like parts of the brain being shut down. That's why the drugs allow us to like, open up more. But it's be careful, like, you know, the nature of drugs. Like I like the plant medicines more, but in a, in a, with an intentional setting, you know, people can get lost in the realms because again, like, talking about like demons and like the lower astral planes or what not, the realms where these entities exist that can oftentimes like attach and feed on you and feed on, you know, ego essentially, right? So it's like the ego of, you know, cocaine or something, you know, people feeling like they're Superman. Yeah. Right. Hunter Thompson. Yeah. I mean, but so many people, I think, you know, went down that whole of, you know, I've seen it. I don't, I don't touch it. But like, a lot of people I've seen with cocaine. It's like, it's part of why my dad had to kick cocaine because he was like, you know, you just, everything you, everything that you do, you think is, is great. If you're writing a script, like, you think it's fantastic. You've lost all. Bounce. The greatest writers were on cocaine. Who? Hunter Thompson for one. I don't know, made us writer, but okay, he's one of the bad, not the greatest, but he was very good. prolific. Who is the guy who wrote Kujo? Why am I blanking on his name? Stephen King. Stephen King was fucking going crazy on cocaine and alcohol when he was writing some of his best stuff. Kujo, like famously, he was like on coke the whole time. Yeah. I guess I mean, like, it's an upper, you know, so it gives you energy. Yeah. Right. But I mean, there's something else there though. I feel like maybe not just cocaine. Yeah. Maybe there's something to do with drugs and creativity that's him to go hand in hand. Yeah. I mean, look, they're, again, they're portals, right? So it's like you're opening, you know, you're, you're, if you're inhibiting some parts of your brain that's like putting restrictions on you, allowing your imagination to roam more, right? You're allowing yourself to just to experience more, take more in, to be more, you know, potentially more alive. There is something to that. It just, I think also with cocaine, it's like, like I said, people can really, they buy their own bullshit too much. It's like, you think, you know, and so yeah, maybe you have some success, but you can really be in the ego. Yeah. From what I see. Well, I think that's probably even psychedelics to an extent, right? Like, it seems like I've heard a lot of people, researchers, people a lot smarter than me about this stuff, explaining how they believe that what psychedelics do is they manifest what's already there in the psyche, and they sort of like reinforced ideals or beliefs, maybe subconscious that you're not aware of, and they bubble them up to the surface, which is why, you know, you get this sort of like a lot of people in the psychedelic space, sort of like turn into door knockers, like become evangelists for it, right? They think that they have all the answers, right? Yeah. And it's, it's very strange. And there was this famous study, which I've talked about at Nazim on this show, so I'm sorry. But there was this John Hopkins study with religious professionals, and we've heard of that, where they took religious leaders from Judaism, Christianity, I think Hindu and Islam, and they gave them all psilocybin, and they documented what their experience was. And all of their experiences were basically mapped by their religious belief in the religious background. Yeah. Oh, and all that kind of stuff. See, it's, it's one of those things where it's like chicken or egg though, because I believe like the soul incarnates into that path for a reason, for like a learning experience. So, you know, as a person inventing the reality based on their understanding of theology, or have they been born into that theology to understand it? Like born into a belief? Yes. Yes. I've chosen a certain culture, a certain belief system to explore it as a soul. Yeah, I guess that's possible. You see? So it's something that we can't really know, but we can feel into, like, you know, why did I, you have to live something and say, like, you have to trust that you've chosen something for a reason to grow in a, you know, to grow in a certain path, to grow in a certain direction. Sure. Yeah, certain, whatever, in a certain tradition, and it can be a country, a culture, language, all these things, you know? But I believe like the co-creative experience is like, yeah, we've chosen to walk this path. Very interesting. Well, thanks again, man, this is so fun. I need to go try some ayahuasca on that note. Let's do it. For sure. Tell people where they can find your stuff, your YouTube, your documentaries, your books, all that fun stuff. Yeah. I mean, I just keep it simple. Sean Stone, info, my website. Okay. I think that's like an easy hub for people who took go and just link from there. Okay. Fantastic, dude. Well, thank you for doing this, man. We should do it again sometime. That's great. My pleasure. All right.