#405 Liz Truss - Why The UK Is In Trouble

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So why is the case that the very aggressive rise of what we may call wokeness and just these cultural and social and even economic shifts, how did all of that shift and decline happen under a decade plus of conservative government who's actually in control of things? So this this thing that we call wokeness or whatever else I mean it's it's essentially neomoxic it's the idea that traditional structures belief in family belief in faith belief in your country there's somehow something wrong with that and what we need to believe in is universal human rights you know we need to believe in the climate change threat you know these were the alternative gods that the left were worshipping and it isn't just in Britain that has happened you know if you look at the ethos at the world economic forum if you look at what the IMF comes up with if you look at what the United Nations is coming up with if you look at what's going on in American universities you can see this the UK is not the worst you can see well in this regard Canada's definitely I agree actually Canada is it bought even more serious trouble than Britain but Britain has caught the disease and the thing about Britain is because the power is all concentrated in London which is the political center the cultural center the media center the technology center the finance center you've got a very powerful elite who associate with each other and reinforce these ideas so these ideas you know they started in the 60s I would say that was when you had the sort of Buma generation were at university you know the sort of Bill Clinton's Tady Blas of this world they then got to power in the 1990s and this is when you start to see these ideas take hold within government and bureaucracy and what Blair did which was very clever is he changed the laws of our country to embed these ideas permanently okay so the Human Rights Act the Climate Change Act the Equality Act he embedded all of these left-wing ideas in our system and he also put his people in the system as well okay and you know the the graduates of universities from the night you know these people were given roles they then created a culture within the bureaucracy within the BBC within these organizations that was pro those ideas and the fundamental mistake of the Conservative Party for 14 years is we didn't reverse it we accepted it why why because many people in the Conservative Party were keener on being in power than they were in changing things because they said in order to get elected we need to be the as to black that's what the Cameron Conservative said we we don't want to look evil by getting rid of human rights or getting rid of this environmental stuff or getting rid of this equality stuff so they bought into it they bought into it this isn't for everyone Veritas wealth management doesn't promise overnight success and they don't work with people chasing shortcuts they work with the few the discipline those who value wisdom over hype and who know real progress takes time Veritas is a boutique wealth management firm a small tight-knit team that's been around for nearly two decades they manage over half a billion dollars in assets helping families business owners and retirees build real financial freedom the 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yeah that essentially gave the same human rights to people who were not from Britain as people in our own country so what that means is somebody who's committed sexual abuse against their own stepdaughter can't be deported from Britain because they claim they have the right family life so these rights have been bastardized okay by the illegal establishment of course Kirsta as a human rights lawyer to essentially privilege the rights of illegal immigrants over British citizens that's what's going on and you can see that with the grooming gang cases you can see it with illegal immigration cases that's a human rights act okay and that's been very damaging because it's it's imposed a universalist view of human rights so what British people actually want is they care about the condition of people in Britain they didn't care as much about somebody who's in Somalia as they knew about somebody's in Britain that's what most voters in Britain think and rightly in my view yeah I think in the condition of the people in Somalia is down to the Somalia government not the British government but the human rights activists say they're all equal we shouldn't privilege the British people over everybody else around the world and that is wrong so the government hasn't been working in the interest of the British people it's been working in the global interest the Equality Act what did that do it basically embedded DEI into the law in Britain it created protected characteristics around you know gender around ethnicity etc etc and you created these crazy disputes so there was a case recently in Birmingham where dinner ladies complain they weren't being paid the same as bin men I mean they weren't doing the same job but the Equality Act the public sector Equality duty said they should be paid the same so what happened the bin men went on strike the whole the city is dirty etc but this is this is what you get to when you say everybody has to have equal outcomes so they that put DEI into law and then the Climate Change Act which is the third one I mentioned I mean that has created Britain having the highest energy prices in the world that's what it's created you know stopping fracking stopping fossil fuels building lots of windmills that don't deliver the energy needs and when you have the highest energy prices in the world what happens you're steel factories close your car factories close you can't produce crypto you can't produce you can't you don't have a successful AI industry because all those industries so this is why all these nice signing things they're just Trojan horses for Neo Marxist ideas and these people fundamentally don't believe in Western civilization that's that's I'm not saying everybody who advocates this stuff is like that but at the core these people don't believe in Western civilization and in some way want to destroy it that's what we've got yeah see this is where I'm I'm really intrigued to get your insight because with there's always that trying to determine between malice and stupidity and I often say that sometimes I mean if the outcome is the same oftentimes it doesn't really matter which one is which because the the outcome is the same but I'm kind of curious is to okay if so this these three happened under the Blair government is that yes okay a lot of them were made worse by the conservative government but they started under the black government yeah so I remember I was I was a kid when Tony Blair got elected and I was not into it you're not to blame is what you're saying sorry you're what you're not to blame I didn't I was not involved personally at all but I remember that he was I mean he was a very popular prime minister at least at the beginning and a lot of people seem to like and support him across the aisle to some degree from from what I recall and I wonder obviously he's a he's an British man himself and I don't I've never spoken to him I don't know much about him but I wonder what is his goal with these acts and the people around him are they specifically thinking okay we want to do this because this is going to harm the UK and its citizens and we're so ideologically possessed that we don't care if we do that destruction or Or is this the sort of suet? suicidal empathy to use GEDSAD's term. Oh, this sounds nice and we think it's going to be good, but you fast forward a couple of years or decades and it ends up causing these additional problems that perhaps they didn't see. - I think a lot of it is suicidal empathy. - Okay. - And that is the mentality behind the human rights lawyers. And a lot of this was crafted by human rights lawyers of which cares, Dombra is an example. These people spent their university years campaigning for campaigning for international development saying that we really care about these people that we're going to fight for their rights to be released from prison in Egypt, et cetera, et cetera. So they believed that they were righteous and they believed that the rights were evil and that they were the only people who really cared about people in Somalia or they really cared about the environment. So it was partly a suicidal empathy and if you trace back some of the issues we have around criminal justice, you know why is it that criminals are treated like victims and victims are treated like criminals? Well, it is the 60s progressives like Roy Jenkins who said, you know, we're being too harsh on these people they're just misunderstood. They've had a life of crime because of their difficult childhood, et cetera, et cetera. So that is suicidal empathy, but I think then you've got it combined with a kind of annihilism and a values free culture as well. And that's exemplified in my view by the sort of world economic forum attitude. And people discovered that they could make money out of this stuff. So if you look at net zero, it's been a massive way of the elite being able to cream money off governments. In Britain, you know, people made huge amounts of money out of net zero policy. Can you walk us through that? How does that happen? Well, if you look at the cop process, these conferences where lots of people fly in where there are subsidies for particular industries, you know, they, somebody like Mark Carney who sort of was fluted from governor of the Bank of England to Canadian Prime Minister via the world economic forum advocated for net zero, made cash out of it. And it's been a gravy train. It's been a gravy train for these people. So I think it's a combination of, they want to feel virtuous. They have suicidal empathy, but they also managed to create a gravy train. You know, look at the Taney Blare Institute. Now hundreds and millions of pounds, including from USAID. Yes. So USAID under Obama Abiden was donating to the Taney Blare Institute. So they've created this sort of NGO industrial complex, which has enriched the people at the same time as appealing virtuous to their friends. And they, from their point of view, what's not to like about this. But the problem is it's done huge damage to the real economy in countries like Britain. And the country's stagnated. The average person in Britain has seen very little real increase in their wages over the past 30 years. Whilst the elite have done very, very well. Yeah. Why do you think it is that people continue to vote for this? That's the part that confuses me because I know that in the West, everyone is supposed to love democracy and champion democracy. And it's anything bad is the threat to democracy and democracy democracy. It's kind of treated as this, as this God or idol. But the biggest advocate of democracy or democracy is the EU, which is one of the least democratic structures on the planet. Yeah. And you're just too unelected European Union commissioner, you can't. So I mean, in some ways, I'm less confused by the politicians and I'm more confused by why after all this time. I mean, I think regardless of political orientation, most people in the UK can feel the pain and the pressure and the stagnation or decline. People blame it on different things. But I get the sense that everyone, regardless of their social class, kind of feels it. But then in the UK and also in other places, I mean-- Some people don't feel it, though. So it is interesting. When you look at the elite, and these are typically people who are evading labor, they're evading liberal Democrat, they're evading green, they work in the public sector. They've seen their wages rise. But what percentage of the population is that? Probably about 10 to 20%. If you look at the sort of not just the public sector, but also the court protests who live and work in the home counties, people who work at big banks, those type of people, they haven't really seen their real income stagnate. So you've got a class of people and elite who are doing OK at the moment. They don't understand how bad it is elsewhere in the country. You saw exactly the same thing happen in America, which is why Trump won in 2024. Because Biden said the economy is going great. Everybody's doing well. And they just won. It's not. They just won. Yeah. So OK. So I'm curious as to kind of squaring that. Because before we were talking about how the UK has lost more millionaires, has more net millionaire migration than anywhere else. But squaring that with the idea that there's this elite class that isn't feeling-- because lots of the people in that elite class are actually-- if they haven't already left, they're looking at different options and thinking, hey, we're getting squeezed too hard. And there's all this blame the 1% rich people need to pay their fair share and so on. There's this-- eat the rich, eat the rich attitude, which seems to be rising in the UK in some other places. So I guess in my head, I'm trying to kind of square those two things because they seem to contradict a little. So the people who have left are leaving the entrepreneur class. It's the people who have made their own way, who are independent in their wealth, in their activities. The people who are still in Britain tend to be the ones working for the big corporations. Now I think what we're starting to see is we're starting to see a professional exodus out of Britain of doctors, accountants, those type of people. Because the pain is beginning to lap up now on the corporate class. But until quite recently, if you were working for a big corporation, if you're working for a bank, you were doing OK. I think that is getting worse. The people who were leaving were the entrepreneurs. I think it's now beginning to affect the corporate class. And in due course, it will affect the public sector, because the country is going to run out of money. There will be a fiscal crisis. And then the pain is going to hit the public sector. But we're just not there yet. What's happened is there's a smaller group of people who aren't being affected. And if you look at the last 30 years, there was a lot of pain felt even 20, 30 years ago by communities outside London. Places like Bradford or Roverham-- My birthplace, Luton. Luton have been in a bad way for a long time. But what is happening is that is now moving up the income scale. And it's becoming more common across Britain, because Britain is now poorer than Mississippi in terms of GDP per capita. Really? Is that true? The poorest US state. Oh, wow. I didn't know. And we're falling behind. So I think it was the entrepreneur's he left first. But it's now other people as well. Yeah. I think that people don't understand that if you drag away the entrepreneurs and business owners, then it's-- But I think some people do understand that. Oh, yeah. You know, some of the hard left don't want rich people in Britain. They say-- Rich people are the people who employ everyone. I know that. You know that. But these people are destructionists. They want to destroy what's there. And I think it's hard for people like you and me to get into the mindset of the destructionists. I often wonder how many of them are. Because we love Britain. We love Western civilization. So how on earth do you get into mindset of somebody who wants to destroy stuff? But we know these people are there. You know, we see them gluing themselves to cheese or whatever else. You know, we know they're there. They're throwing paint on our work. You know, like, why would you do that? I mean, how on earth do you get in the head of somebody who throws paint on fantasy artworks? I'd rather not get in the head because I appreciate my sanity. The thing I wonder, though, is how many-- like, what percentage of the population is that? Like, I've lived in the UK a long time. I've met hundreds of thousands of people all over the UK, North, South, East, West. And I think it's fair to say the most British people are decent, polite, fairly friendly, hardworking, and so on. They're not these destructionist types. I have come across those type of people. Thankfully, they're pretty fringe and they don't seem to be a lot of-- They're not fringe. They're not fringe, you know what they say? They're not fringe anymore. And they have succeeded in infiltrating our institutions. Let's just take one group of people, which is transgender ideologues. You know, these are people who believe that men, or they say they believe that men can become women. They believe that men should be allowed in women's changing rooms, et cetera, et cetera. Do you know that you're talking to the British women's deadlift record holder, by the way? I do, actually. Why do you tell us more about that? I had to throw that in. Tell us more about the deadlift. The deadlift, yeah. Back in February 2019. So seven years ago now, I identified as a woman briefly. And I did a very-- I pulled 230 kilos on a deadlift with ease. And I shattered the women's deadlift record as a woman. And it went very, very viral. It was in the news. And yeah, I'm quite-- But I think you're not a transgender ideologian. You were making a point. I know. Although I was holding two years under your arms, premise. Yeah, I was making a point. But yeah, rather than arguing against, I was, all right, let me take this logic. And let's-- let me just demonstrate the issue with this, rather than explaining it. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But what I'm saying, ZB, is that in the British government today-- and I met these people-- there are chance gender ideologues in the civil service. These people are destructionists. They don't believe in traditional family. They don't believe in men and women. They believe in destroying all that. They're in the civil service. Similarly, you'll find environmental extremists in the civil service. You will find supporters of the Muslim brotherhood in the civil service. And what happens when you have ideologues, and then you have other people around them who just want to get on, is the ideologues tend to win out. That's what happens. And that is what has happened to our bureaucracy. In the Treasury, there are people who believe in Keynesian economics or even worse. And those are the people who don't care if billionaires leave the country. They're in the heart of our system. And the problem is that conservatives haven't understood that enough. And we're not willing to purge them. And we're not willing to change the system to deal with this, which is why the country is going off a cliff. Yes. Are we typically just to be clear? Are we talking about unelected officials here at the moment? We're talking about career civil servants. Got it. Got it. Why do you think it is, Liz, that it seems like every Western country-- certainly every Western Anglo-Sphere country-- is going through some form of this, whether you look at the UK or US or Canada or Australia, New Zealand, and I'm sure many pockets of Western Europe as well, they all seem to be shifting culturally and politically just in this strange direction. And they-- like what you just described there, that seems to be the exact same thing that's happening in many US states. It seems to be happening across the Canadian government. It seems to be happening in Australia. And there are many parts of the world where this is not happening. I mean, we're in one right now. So what do you think it is? Is there some sort of weakness in these systems that allows such people, these destructionists, as I think you described them, to infiltrate and multiply and ultimately dominate? Yes. OK. Yes. And if you look at the government here in the UAE, there's a clear chain of command. If you are in Britain, what's happened is say many of these bodies have been declared independent. So they shouldn't be influenced by politicians. That allows them to be infiltrated because they can say, well, we pursue this policy of climate change extremism, because that's our expertise, where the experts, you know, ministers, you can go away. We saw that during COVID. It was like, we're going to follow the science. The scientist should in charge. Politicians shouldn't interfere. But when you get a system where politicians or the people that are elected can't direct what happens, that is when you get infiltration. And that's the big difference-- or that's one of the differences between the government here and the government in Britain-- that there is not a chain of command anymore. The chain of command does not go from the people look at the government from the outside and think the prime minister can make decisions. And the people in the bureaucracy will do what he wants. No, that is not true. Tell me more about that. How much power does the prime minister actually have? Well, not very much at the moment. And what Blair did was he handed over power, the use to sit in the hands of MPs and the prime minister. He handed it over to the judiciary. He handed it over to unelected bodies like the Bank of England, unelected bodies like the Climate Change Committee. See, the power now sits in all of these unelected bodies. And those unelected bodies have been infiltrated by leftist ideology. And this same is true in America. If you look at what has happened to the Department of Justice, if you look at what has happened to the State Department, and now, Mark, Rubio and Donald Trump are trying to change the State Department and they're trying to change the bureaucracy, but they had the same issue. And this same is true. And Canada, the same is true in Australia. I think it's particularly extreme in Britain, because we've got the oldest bureaucracy. So there's been more over time. It's kind of ossified. But I think it's the same problem everywhere. And what the left, the left change their tactics. Their tactics used to be they would try and win elections. Their tactics now are things like law fair. Their tactics are infiltrating institutions. Their tactics are canceling people. Their tactics are limiting free speech. And we've seen the extreme left even use assassination as a tactic, as was the case with Charlie Kirk. So what we have is we are fighting a group of people who are destructionists and who use these types of tactics to influence the future. And this is why the left has been so successful at pushing the over-to-window in their direction, because they've used all of these tactics and law. When you speak of the left, what's the demographic you're referring to? You're talking about left-wing politicians. Are you talking about these civil servants and bureaucrats? Are you talking about the activists? All of them. All of them. I call them the blob. The blob, OK. The blob. We could talk about globalists. It's the same group of people. And they have ASET or views. Because there is a-- I know it's a dying breed, but there is a sort of traditional left-wing pro-worker, pro-labor union type that does not seem to fit in that blob. But they are really-- then I want to ask out of the argument. If you look at the Trump coalition, the workers-- the many unions came on board with Trump. Because they understood that they are now fighting something that is fundamentally anti-worker. It's pretty anti-human. This globalist agenda. What do you think the goal of-- so if we're going to use this term to the left, what do you think the ultimate goal is if we're trying to-- I'm trying to-- I'm not a left-winger and I never have been, but I'm trying to kind of steal men-- But maybe the left isn't a very helpful term. Yeah, I typically avoid it just because it's too great. Obviously, on the left side of the aisle, people will talk about the right this and the right that. And I'm often like, who do you mean? Am I the right? Or do you mean like that? And I kind of feel the same with the left. It's a little amorphous, so I don't often know what is being referred to. It's a bit like-- I generally try to avoid nebulous terms. So you know on the left, people like to talk about systemic racism. And I don't find that a very useful term, because it's too vague. It's just like, what do you specifically-- I mean, I know what racism is. And I can identify specific incidents or individuals. But if it's just like, oh, there's just the whole system, the whole structure, I'm not like, what do you mean? But this is all postmodernism, neo-moxism. That's what it is. It's FU-K, it's these alternative powers. Do they know that? The people pushing this? 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Yeah, I can imagine it would happen to that Percy, I mean, it's just or if it was just a symmetric it is so asymmetric now and People can see that people can see that and it's you know, you were asking me earlier about How many people in Britain? That's who subscribe to these views. I think it's 10 to 20% okay And if you look at things like the Brexit referendum if you look at the election of Boris Johnson There's clearly a majority of Brit who don't like what is happening The problem is they're not the rich powerful Brit They don't work in the media. They don't live in London. They don't live in Oxford. They don't live in Cambridge They are relatively Worse off than the elite So you have I believe 60 to 70% of the population Want things to change in a huge way. Yeah, they want a Trump style revolution. It's just how do you get that when To a large extent the political parties have been captured by this stuff including the Conservative party and The media house as well to me It's a kind of moot point about which came first the decline of Christianity or the rise of the Alternative ideologies we're now in a battle We're now in a battle for the future of our civilization and that is what is being played out. Yeah everywhere What is the goal of each side on this battle who are the factions on each side and what's each side's goal? In your view so the goal of the Globalists, you know, what do they want to get to they want to get to world government? I would say that China is a exemplar of the type of society they want to see which is centralised control social credit people being monitored controlled and you know anti individual freedom anti family anti Christian values. Yeah, that is what those people ultimately see as A society to aspire to where you have a technocratic elite making the decisions for people rather than individual shaping their own lives and it Who's on that side of the argument? Well China China's allies the globalists which Accurrently in charge in many western countries including Britain, Canada and Australia, you know, we've got globalist prime ministers of those of those three nations and then who's on the other side? Well, it's a it's a kind of rag taggle bunch, isn't it? It's partly the tech the tech right The Elon Musk has had a massive impact on Britain by buying X and allowing people to speak freely You've got Trump and the Maga movement you've got the populist movements in Europe. These are the forces in my view taking on Globalism and you can see at the well-economic forum the the malaise and the Trumps Challenging the ideology which the well-economic forum has been promoting for decades Yeah, there's something earlier you said before where you said you think something like 60 to 70% of the British population are lean more towards the latter So I often wonder again coming back to this idea of democracy if these countries are democracies Then why are the people consistently Not just not getting what they want but often getting the opposite Well, it's like saying the most people in saviour Russia didn't want to live under communism But they were forced to We acknowledge that in a dictatorship, right? Yeah, but you have a You might call it a technocrisy or you have a A rule you know the a country like Britain it just isn't democratic enough that the wishes of the people are not being reflected by The governing elite Which countries do you think The UK should be moving in the direction of are there some Nations or leaders where you look at and you're like okay, they They get it they're doing it I think there's three there's three people I would talk about or make more maybe more but obviously Trump Is trying to do that That is what he is seeking to do in the United States is actually take on the destructionists And you can see that and everything from what is happening with ice To what is happening with tariffs You know to what is happening with free speech you know the Trump administration is trying to take that on Malay There's another example of a leader who is taking on a declining and failed system and Sun eye target itchy in Japan again is trying to turn Japan around so there are leaders around the world who are trying to do it but the If you look right across the broader west The globalists are in power. Yeah See I because I wonder I toy with this idea in my brain. I kind of go back and forth on it, but I wonder in a democracy My question is in a democracy Do the people ultimately get the leaders they deserve Sometimes I say yes Sometimes I say no and then I think about it more and I go back to thinking yes Because the whole thing about the west and the whole thing about democracies is that they're not supposed to be dictatorships it's supposed to be You know elected officials who represent the people and Generally speaking the people get the things that that they want the reason people criticize dictatorships and even absolute monarchies is because They're undemocratic right even saying something's undemocratic is Like across the west that's like It's it's like a bad thing right? It's something that's undemocratic like it's It's it's almost a synonym for bad and I'm just curious is to Okay, we know that this is these politicians have these agendas and they're running for different positions in office mayors governors premieres prime ministers presidents and I look at these elections and I see what people are voting for by the millions and sometimes okay, you know trump won the last one, but it's not like it right it's not like Trump is Not hyper polarizing and there isn't a whole I mean not not just within the USA, but there are hundreds of millions If not billions of people who are like oh no like he's he's the bad guy we need to get rid of him and put back in a Joe Biden type or a Kamala Harris type or certainly an Obama type right and The people who are saying that are not necessarily Destructionists right, but yeah, but the people that are saying that do not understand the agenda of the destructionists And this is the problem and you know if you look at what's happened in Britain, okay a lot of businesses and You know people went along with all this stuff They went along with net zero. They went along with DEI They went along with this stuff because they wanted an easy life And they wanted to be popular at London dinner parties. Yes, and What's happened is now it's got so bad You know the frog's been boiled. It's got worse and worse and worse These people then leave the country and say it's terrible But they were participants in allowing things to get that bad and so Back to your question about Does the electric deserve what they've got? To some extent people have failed to participate in Shaping the future of Britain. They've said it particularly I think people with means people with financial resources people who run Media companies they've gone along with the prevailing Orphodoxy rather than taking it on for an easy life and now they've found it's got really bad And this is because they they didn't understand the nature of the enemy Yes, they thought these were just regular left-wing people that the political pendulum would swing back again It won't you have to actually take these people on? You have to actually change the institutions You actually have to do things like set up new media companies which is what I'm doing You have to take them on you cannot just go along with stuff and expect the pendulum to swing back And that's what they did not understand and this is why the They still don't get it They still don't get it. They still don't get what Trump is fighting. Yes in the United States You know, oh well couldn't we be a bit nicer about the way we deport illegal immigrants? No, you've got people who are trying to run an armed insurrection Against the government. That's how serious it's got and they still don't understand how bad it is Yeah, I think some of it is also Okay, I think people are waking up. I think people are waking up. Yeah, I think definitely a part of it as well is a sense of Because it's very interesting, you know Speaking speaking, you know, what do you use not every day? I speak to someone who's been in you know who actually was a prime minister And then you yourself saying even as prime minister your hands are tied Right, so there are lots of people say okay, we need more people to get into politics But if you're saying that you can rise to the highest Electable seat of power in British politics And I'd imagine it's not unique to the UK and your hands are still Tied then I think a lot of people are just like well What are we what are we? What are we supposed to do? What you also need to change? Is the the media? Okay, that's very important for sure, you know that What I found is the collaboration between the deep state and the mainstream media to undermine me was just massive Can you define the deep state? So the deep state are the Unelected bureaucrats with their own agenda who are effective in running Britain and They are deeply embedded with the mainstream media So if you try to Take them on You will find yourself subject to what is just a deluge you know a deluge of negative Media and that's that that's kind of concentrated in the social media era of you know twitter storms etc So in order to change Britain The media needs to change the bureaucracy needs to change the corporate elite need to wake up You know these people I was saying it's the entrepreneurs that have left first but now Senior corporate people are going to be losing their jobs. You know these people need to start Thinking about what's happening in our country and be willing to participate you know We need people like the musks the bestsance to be part of the solution about fixing our country That's that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm saying it's not enough just to have yeah If people think that just changing the identity of the Prime Minister is going to fix Britain They haven't been paying attention for 20 years Because we've tried quite a few Prime Ministers. Yeah, I noticed Yeah, it's um There are a lot of things going on here, you know, I think in terms of Maybe we need you to come back to Britain to sort of help sort it out. You're not the first person. You're not the first person to suggest it You're one of these people that as well as you said I mean can I But as you said, I mean can I have a better bigger impact in influence inside or outside of the system and I think outside I'd like to talk more about potential solutions because as you're saying all those things My brain is going how Right, so when you say we need to okay, so changing the media. I mean I Know how we can obviously anyone can start a podcast or a YouTube channel or a pay you know people can independently Create their things and we're seeing more and more Independent voices rising up and I think generally that's a that's a fantastic trend But when it comes to like what you refer to as the deep state right people who are just Embedded and ideologies that have embedded and ossified over decades How do you how do you fix that is that just something that's you have to wait for generation For it just to naturally change or is there something But I think what have a Malay has done in Argentina of the axing Government departments of axing bureaucrats. Yes. Is what's needed to be done. Yeah, that's that's what you've got to do Yeah, I think one of the huge problems and the the USA is really seeing this right now for example with the whole ice situation and the deportations is What happens is these conditions get created over years and over decades Whether that's allowing tons of illegal migrants into a country Whether that's allowing criminal criminality to get to a certain level letting the economy decline to a certain level printing stupid amounts of money whatever it is and then the even just the growth of government um and Doing what is actually necessary to roll things back Is not pretty I think that's one of the one of the big issues that faces the attack will be which it is with Trump He's created chaos. Yes. That's the attack or you cannot do this stuff without creating chaos. Yeah Well, it's exactly the attack used on me Which is I was creating chaos. No, I was trying to fix the system. Yes and Because there's so many vested interests who like the status quo They're sort of sucking on the teeth of decline. Yes. What they're doing they will fight fight fight and people have to have a recognition that disruption Is going to happen is either disruption or death. These are the two choices. Yeah It's it's kind of at the point where the approach that's needed is not even conservative per se Because conservative by definition suggests maintaining a type of status quo. Well, I call it a counter revolution. Okay. See what we've had is a revolution. Mm-hmm It's been a kind of quiet silent revolution but it is embedded these leftist globalist new moxist ideas in the heart of our establishment in Britain an account of revolution is needed To take back control of those institutions that's what's needed. Yeah Of all the issues that are facing the UK and there are many Which one which single one if you're just to isolate one thing What concerns you the most? Islamism Tell me more I If you look at what's happening with Islamist influence in our institutions and Most recently the West Midlands chief constable was found to be faking evidence About Israeli football supporters in order to appease The Muslim community in Birmingham. That's what happened and What I worry about is The Labour Party is trying to introduce a definition. I think they've changed it is not Islam a failure anymore anti-Muslim hatred, but they are basically trying to stop even discussion About this in our country and if you look at what's happened with the grooming gangs Which you know this still Hasn't been the police all of the institutions that were essentially involved in this still haven't been held to account and it there is so much appeasement Or is the Muslim Britain and Covering up the truth about what's happened It's having an expanding influence. That's what I worry about most because I think that's the hardest thing to reverse I think economic stagnation can be reversed. You know, we've lost a lot of time With things like our energy industry etc It will take time to build back But I worry if Islamism takes hold You know, we've already got sectarian MPs elected in the House of Commons who are advocating things like Cosm marriage and Sharia law. Yes, you know, that is very serious for the future of our country Thank you so much Zubi for this fantastic discussion. It's been wonderful to speak to you. Great to speak to you. Thank you