#405 - Epstein, Atlantis & Ark of the Covenant | Dan Richards

good morning Dan good morning Dan this is the earliest podcast I think I've ever done really yeah that's early for me too man I was I was drinking a little bit late last night were you really oh man you're partying down there in Sarasota I was down and naughty down there something that starts with a B it's a little poor area about a heck I don't know a poor area a poor area it still was really nice Brennerton Bradenton that's the one Bradenton it's not a poor area there's a lot of very expensive homes it was a lot poorer than Sarasota yeah it's not often we get to see a Sasquatch taint roaming around Florida yes that's what that's what uh Dave calls me and that's fine I'll go with that that's whatever I'm from Washington represent that's so funny man yeah uh we were talking earlier about that podcast out there with that dude Dave because that that like like we were talking about before the show um the whole Rift between the ancient archaeology skeptics and the promoters of ancient archaeology or like the gaps in our knowledge of this precision stuff or the pyramids or the serapium all all of the all the mysteries of the ancient world it's like it's so crazy to me how these people will fight so viciously against each other on the internet about that was happening thousands of years ago like it matters today like it really matters that much like it's fun it's it's fun it's interesting it's entertaining and you know like you said with this lady with the Crystal Skulls like why kick the tires on it right if it gets more people into it then what's the harm even beyond that um the carbon dating that was done on the Giza Plateau we've had two expeditions ago one was financed by the Edgar Casey Foundation the other was financed by David Coke and the Zahi Hawass and Mark Leonard were the boots on the ground on these things so this is pseudoscientists and scientists if you want to call it that holding hands and singing by yeah I'm getting real data so um traditionally this has worked right this has been this is always the way we've done things but it just recently you know when Farina was on here he said it really uh he really illustrated the problem when he was like ah most people can't tell the difference between different Sciences they just think all scientists are boneheads and it's like dude that's that's really reductive and really assuming that the masses are stupid as hell most people can tell the difference between you know archaeology and physics for example and um they try to blame they try to make it a more overarching thing so they can attack so they don't feel bad when they argue with us about big rocks which is what it really comes down to so they'll oh it's racist or oh this is this is why people were rejecting the jab or oh this is why people are questioning other fields of science it's like no this specific thing right here let's deal with this but well Dave found a lane right to create to exist in where he can he can use people like Graham and Ben and Jimmy and you to basically like like you guys are his ammo for what he does and and he is just going completely against the grain on everything you guys do and like what I said to him when he was in here is my biggest gripe with what he does is that he looks to the government and the Ivory Towers of science as his North Star yeah and that is the exact opposite of what journalism actually is yeah yes that was a really good thing for you to point out on him but he didn't really have a good answer for that it's it's you know he kept circling back to this whole well these guys are right and these guys are wrong like when you asked him well what would happen if people demonetized you for what you're saying well that would just be truth being destroyed it's like dude hubris much and come on man how arrogant can you be well what I say is factual and when other people say that they believe factual is just BS and then then there's the fact that Dave doesn't properly read the information I mean guys like him honestly are are the grifters because they've you know when Graham Hancock comes out and says you know everyone's a grifter at some level at some level I won't argue with that I can't argue with that um but there's they sell a fake bill of goods they say we're selling the truth we're selling facts we're debunking these things and then I I don't watch all of his content but I can tell you 100 on me he got like everything wrong like all the way from what my beliefs are to what I started my channel to my personal life to my professional electrician he claimed that I was said I went around saying I was a union electrician I never said that man local scab 401 buddy I was not never Union but he goes and says just gets everything wrong what would be bad about you saying you were Union if you go some in certain areas it's um if you get frowned upon to claim your Union when you're not yeah I mean it's not like false Valor with soldiers but it's the kind of thing it's the kind of thing you're not going to be smiled it's all the Union guys like the if you're non-union and you're like encroaching on them or if you're in some different Union and you like you you pick up a still camera for the still camera guy when he's in like the photography Union like they'll throw fit they'll write you up the Teamsters are the coolest of the unions yeah I think um all the unions I think started from a good for the most part started from a good place but like any activist um once you've achieved your goal and your you've got your Grift going um you know what do you do now you have to kick the kick the can down the curb so with with uh like with gay rights is the one I use because it's the easiest to illustrate after Obama passed gay marriage funding went down you didn't hear about it as much but if you're a dude that was like promoting gay rights you need to find another candy kick otherwise your paycheck dries up so this is where we get you know all kinds of just kind of goofy slacktivism or whatever you want to call it which is kind of air conditioning is sexist is one of my favorites yeah slacktivists term I have used for people online that think that they're doing something by retweeting a hashtag or posting a meme or some such nobody cares right yeah just trying to get more attention on the fact that they're being loud about some sort of issue or whatever it is exactly calling people homophobics and whatever it is I'm not homophobic I'm homo bored I hang out with them at the bar all the time right exactly they're great they're fine I don't need to hear I don't you don't need to you know it's funny um like when I say uh that these guys are grifting like my my positions on a lot of the pyramids and stuff is way different than Graham Hancox's for example or Jimmy corsetti's um and I get along with these guys fine you know we were talking about uh Carolyn the woman with the Crystal Skull and like I was telling you she said that you know you're the first self-professed skeptic I've let be in the same room with this thing she's dealt with the people that throw slings and arrows and you know like we were saying she's she's not doing anything that's hurting anybody she's she's this is I think this is an important thing for a lot of the debunkers to wrap their head around there's a certain cross-section of humanity that's just not going to go with science they're going to have faith in something and this is there this you can't change this this is a genetic thing in my opinion um and by attacking these people all you do is polarize them if I get up and push you you're gonna push me back this is no brainer but um as an influencer you'll get this one if I make something that all my constituents all my followers click on I make good money but if I make something that all my haters click on too and on the country might get torn in half but who gives a and exact that's exactly true and on top of that the way these algorithms work is they want you to po to to produce content that is in the same line and right on brand with all the other content that gets the most amount of views they incentivize you to do that so it's easier for the people to send it to so they can make more advertising money and the downstream effect of that is you get people like Dave you get podcasters that will just like find something that works and they'll just keep hammering that yeah as long as they possibly can because that does make the most money and that does get them the most attention it's really hard to go the other way on stuff especially if you rely on social media for your income oh yeah yeah like and like and entertain ideas that are completely counterintuitive to what your audience is accustomed to or what you're accustomed to exploring you know yeah I'm sure you get all the time unsubscribed because you had Billy Carson on or unsubscribed because no Billy Carson my fans love Billy Carson I had a lot of my fans like to the fact that I had it that I was talking to him but some people were like oh no you can't believe you had him on there and well he lost his he lost his luster after the West Huff thing exactly yeah but uh you know I I do I mean I do uh he was in Sedona we were doing the quest for ancient civilizations conference and we're going to be doing that again in Austin this October but uh you know he was one of the speakers that's there and so here's the thing there's people I disagree with lots of people in the world I disagreed with Carolyn about her Crystal Skull but she let me in the room because I'm not a dick about it I don't I didn't call her Sasquatch taint I didn't call her retarded I didn't say that she's stupid and doesn't know anything yeah that's that place in the middle there that we that's where I I saw the skull and that's that is a uh the no they sorry the uh it's like she's sitting next to a dude but uh anyway this guy had a whole big uh sweat Lodge built out of stone but he was an electrician which is what I used to do and he had it all quartz crystals and copper and and uh Pisces uh water running above so you get by piezoelectric effect and you could actually feel it he's a little copper plates you could touch and touch the ball and it's not a lot but you could feel a little a little spark you know a new age meeting science and why I'm not a new age type of person I mean here's the thing anybody who's doing honest research who's being honest with themselves and they can be wrong as fuck about where they're going about where they're coming from and still give us good that the guy that uh determined that the the norse beat columbus to the americas was carl christian raffin and he was an anthropologist like 150 years ago and he believed the whole reason he got started on on the norse being the first ones here was every time he saw a rock with a glyph on it he was like man i don't see how those dumb indians could have carved this glyph so he just must be norse must be norse but that wrong ass line of thinking eventually led him to reading the papers and he was the one that discovered that erica the red made it over here first so his honest research even when he was wrong got him somewhere and that's right i think that's important like where dave was he's you know dave had his way and all the podcasters did what he was saying well you need to change the podcast space and make it all you science wouldn't advance scientists would be as he said they don't like conflict for the most part they would argue with their friends but dave's going to come out there any one of them that goes against the status quo he's going to be yeah you're an idiot you're a bonehead you're a moron you're stupid he believes that he's combating the toxicity of the people on the other side which is true that people can be toxic on both sides on on social media but to your point that you were just making before that sorry um the way i get really interested and learn about stuff and become like a a mediocre level expert on certain things is by hearing the crazy over-the-top claims and speculations about stuff like you know a hypothetical example the pyramid was a fucking power plant like if i see a book and i read the byline like uh aerospace engineer reverse engineered the pyramid and thinks they were a free energy thing or whatever i'm gonna read i read the book and that led me down like 16 other rabbit holes to figure out like is this true could this be wrong i think it's true i hope it's true maybe it could be wrong and now i'm following all these lines of thinking i'm reading more stuff i'm i'm learning more i'm digesting more knowledge and it gives me a broader perspective on the whole thing and that's a good thing that's absolutely a good thing as a matter of fact i would say that's better christopher dunn's a better science communicator than dave farina because of that exact sort of thing he sends people down that rabbit hole yes and you know i watched this happen a couple years ago on x with jimmy he posted that maybe the nephilim in the bible is referring to uh neanderthal or denisevans and all the archaeologists and debunkers oh you're so stupid those were smaller than humans and the bible says the nephilim were taller so how y'all you're such an idiot blah blah i let this go for just a couple days just watching and i'm like i'm gonna just show you dumbasses how to educate hey jim there's these ones are smaller but there's ones that are bigger like gigantopithecus why don't you go check it out and see if there's one that falls in line with what you're thinking you can send him down a rabbit hole and give him a little thread and let him go or you can say you idiot what do you know right yeah but this is one pays better one pays better you look at dave's videos if he's trying to educate somebody on latin he ain't even getting 10 000 views i'm dead serious you look it's consistently that way but if he's going after somebody now he gets big views yeah and so it's it's incentivized yeah it's it's it's all incentivized right like nobody would be doing any of this stuff if for the most part if it didn't earn a lot of money and one of the things i think about too is like i i often think about what scientists or researchers or archaeologists or whatever profession you want to say it is whatever whatever area of study imagine the people in all of those in all of those professions in all of those professions and all of those professions would be who are sitting in their chambers or sitting sitting in their their uh institution their academic institution or in their labs or whatever it might be who don't pay attention to any media stuff they don't pay attention to any podcast stuff and they're actually doing like cutting edge stuff but they don't have any overlap with like the public world whatsoever and i'm wondering like how much of those people are out there that have never been in front of a microphone before and how different is their view of all this stuff from the people who are always on a microphone and writing books and stuff really good thing to think about you know what i mean like like are they it it's possible that they're two separate fucking universes yeah of truth no i get exactly what you're saying those people don't they they have no incentive to ever go on a microphone and talk on a podcast they're probably scared of doing it for whatever repercussions they would get like from their university or whatever um and and there's no money for them to make they don't have the time to do it well and not just that i think um i think that it's you know a lot of self-selection there too you know if you look when um when we were kids and you go on if you wanted to see a goofy scientist that wasn't a carl sagan um you'd have to like turn on pbs at like two in the morning and then you'd find that dude with the wacky hair telling you but generally speaking you got an artic the kind of guy you wouldn't mind taking your daughter out that's what you used to get from a scientist but now because any dumb ass can put a microphone in front of him now we all see that they're okay you guys are kind of a little little goofy in the brain and that's a good thing as far as i mean look at einstein he's walking around with his shoes untied and his hair unkempt and you know looking at the same time um if this person's trying to communicate to the world and explain this stuff man you you kind of some of these guys need handlers i guess is the best way of putting it they really do it's like jesus christ well it's very i've i've noticed it i think it's pretty rare to find somebody who is really proficient and dialed in what their profession is or what their area of research is and also at the same time be a really good communicator yeah that's extremely rare i would it's often they don't go hand in hand you know i would completely agree um that's they call them public facing scientists when they kind of tap out of the the uh mainstream uh trying to publish papers and they just kind of turn and start making youtube content or whatever right um and uh it's kind of an insult in the scientific community sagan dealt with that he got a lot of shit from his colleagues because the assumption is if you know if you can't those who can't do teach right yeah months ago i started to realize my sleep was getting way worse i would get into bed tired but it would take me too long to fall asleep and when i woke up i feel like i never really shut down and once your sleep goes then your day is down the drain that's what led me to ultras sleep pouches and the difference has been huge i like that they're built to help out the usual problems a lot of sleep stuff either hits too hard or doesn't last long enough or it leaves you feeling groggy the next morning ultra took the pouch format and flipped it into something designed for sleep they use six clean 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sagan right i'm pretty sure he was he walked into an nsa room meeting and carl sagan was sitting there with the contractor badge on i completely believe right he was that was carl sagan right yeah yeah that's crazy this dude was tapped into the nsa i believe it i mean he was he was but he was a brilliant science communicator like the way one of the things i loved about him was when people came to him with questions about aliens yeah they like there was one question where a person was like what kind of technology do you think they have around alpha centauri and of course they look for a split second you see it in his eyes like how the fuck am i supposed to know well you know a few billion years older than earth so assuming that blah blah blah and then you have these different things so maybe they would have he answers the question and then like i was saying earlier he leaves these threads so that go research more go research more go learn and um i you know i think it's largely because of him that at least i'd say at least half the population knows that when we look at a star and break down the light on a spectrum we can actually determine the different elements and stuff yeah yeah and i i would attribute that to sagan um he was he that that's a kind of esoteric little bit of sciencey stuff that it actually kicks the tie that pushes against uh skepticism of astronomy how the fuck do you know what that star is that he's addressed it and so anyway i think um you know of course he got paid by ksps he didn't have to uh fight by clicks right so he got paid by what like oh sorry that's a that's the spokane pbs station sorry oh sorry he got paid by pbs and other things like that a lot of the time like clearly the government too i'm guessing well this gentleman who said he saw sagan he said this was later in sagan's career and i was listening to jesse michaels talk about sagan and he was saying i'm not a sagan i'm not a sagan i'm not a sagan i'm not a historian on carl sagan by any stretch of the imagination but what jesse was saying was that early on in sagan's career he was very outspoken about like extraterrestrial life and all this stuff and he's like later on he kind of switched his tune and started being more skeptical of it and i was wondering if that maybe coincides to when he started working with um spooks that probably i mean that's to sound conspiratorial but these kinds of things you know doing what i do for a living now you know ufos are an interesting place to to dip your fingers into but it's also the cia has been with that since before my dad was born man it's it's this is so hard to determine fact from fiction so hard is this newspaper clipping real or not i mean good luck right so all that stuff it ends up like there's a few of them though that really do stick with me the foo fighters from world war ii when you got the japanese and the americans and the germans all going man what the these things are i hope they're not the better guys right as there's a re you know they didn't get together on this one so there's a few things like that that do kind of pass all the litmus tests of uh cia couldn't fix that one right right oh also like an ancient tag like in the bible there's descriptions of things that match ufos and the nuremberg thing right from the 1500s for example oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and there's another one where um this guy richard dolan made a a really cool book recently on like the history of underwater objects like underwater submerged unidentified objects and there was one about this like the ship in the middle ages or something like that that was sailing off of the i want to say it was the west coast of south america and in like the middle of the night like a football stadium sized glowing sphere rose out of the ocean and they were they they found these like old texts of these sailors they wrote this down and explained this whole account that's yeah that wasn't lockheed martin no yeah exactly yeah but these it's it's unfortunate because in the modern day um now we can't you know it's hard to trust yeah yeah like i was just in sedona like i was saying sedona arizona's got they call it secret mountain i'm sure there's a real name for it but that's what everybody calls because you look at it at night put on night vision goggles i saw my first ufos dozens of them really and they did weird like you're watching the cloud and then six of them appear and they move in a pattern and they disappear but it's all happening over one mountain so to me it seems pretty obvious that you know this is uh it's government right there right i mean they've got toys that are i i would think it's way more likely that that's government than if it's in one spot i don't think aliens would come down and just like how we're going to use this mountain and let people see us flying around yeah most likely i would say i would say it's just hard to know man it's the the way with with the internet and the way the internet is right now it's just so easy to confuse people oh man i remember when i thought the internet was going to be like the saving grace of humanity was going to get we're going to open the doors nobody could block knowledge anymore it's going to be great and oh man instead we get everything from people that claim to be debunkers that lie about half the they say and on the other end of the spectrum we get you know the satanic overlords that are taking over the world and then then on top of all this we find out that they really are eating babies so then it's like i was already having a hard time at thanksgiving trying to shut up my uncles about you know the the tv's listening to us after that came out they just would not shut up now thanksgiving's gonna be horrible this year do you know they were right they're eating babies they'll be eating a turkey what your family members are yeah some of them some of them get pretty pretty spicy with that stuff and i you know the guys that were the guys that were screaming pizzagate 15 years ago and being called a bunch of names and now man they feel pretty vindicated they're vindicated yeah which that was that was cute too and when you had freeing on here he was he was like well i've never changed my position on any conspiracies like right right what about that one i'm sure that he was totally on board with q anon back in the day clearly not right but then he was like well you know i was always and what really was funny about that he's always all skeptical of those because um because you know i i'm i'm anti-zionist and it's like wait a minute are you saying you are you saying you because he was a jew is that what i'm hearing you're saying right now dude and i i i i listening to him talk about that stuff he's anti-zionist because his wife's palestinian yeah and but now he's but his reasoning for i always thought there was something going on with jeffrey epstein why i didn't mean right that's what i was like well what's this is because his last name's steen this is having flashbacks to mel gibson he looked like what you got a dog in this fight levi yeah i don't know if you remember that clip from 20 years ago sorry i've been on the internet a while no i think people had an idea what jeff what jeffrey epstein was all about when he first got arrested oh yeah i think uh even though he wasn't like in the spotlight but i think that vanity fair article kind of like blew the lid off everything yeah and then people that were it wasn't reported about widely but um i think people had a good idea and it's also interesting that you know people are very interested in all this ancient history stuff in atlantis very interesting him and especially gilane maxwell was like super interested in atlantis she even started this like taramar foundation organization where it was like um it was a i believe it was a non-profit or something like this all about like escaping laws and the ocean and like creating a seafaring civilization and they were she was trying to find there was a uh like a an abandoned military platform off the coast of spain i believe and they were looking at like turning that into its own like autonomous country wow that they could operate on and i think google ended up purchasing it to to house their servers and anyways they were she was she had a submarine called the atlantis and she was constantly exploring off the coast of cuba and stuff so i noticed she was looking for the cuban period she was looking for that there and and people think i mean when she went uh when she went uh off the radar after epstein died and was hiding she she's changed her name to janet atlantis it's like how crazy is that if i ever go into hiding i'm gonna take my change my name to frank sasquatch taint frank sasquatch taint nobody will ever find me but yeah that is so weird it's like uh and and you know what we were saying before the podcast about um like we live in a time when people can choose pick and choose their scientists like they pick and choose their politicians they can just kind of make up their own truths as they go um you can always find somebody with credentials it'll back up anything you want to believe yeah and that puts us in a weird spot when uh we've well now the government can release this kind of stuff but we saw it with the clinton emails before where it's like these get released and people treat it like tinfoil hat nuttery it's like well hold the phone bro this isn't tinfoil hat nuttery but a huge swath of the population right wing stupid and the same thing again with with this although i will say that a lot more people are accepting of the the mess on epstein island but it still seems like there's a large number of people i don't really look into that i don't really care it's not a big deal and to me that's kind of uh that's you know that's that's a really great way to hide a needle in a stack of needles right you want to hide your conspiracy theory you just load up the world with so many of them that eventually you can just release it with the federal stamp right on it they're like yeah yeah so anyway yeah i mean we don't have the attention span to worry about the epstein files the iran war the aliens now the hanta virus it's just aliens yeah it's just too much man it's like a it's like purposeful distractions just trying to keep us keep us subdued yeah there was a meme that was going around a little while ago i'd re-shared it was uh the zoomer with uh standing in front of a ufo and there's a cia guy with an alien face on and he's like aren't you impressed and zimmer's like man i got a lot going on right now i don't have time for these aliens so much happening you're bringing come back when you're a real alien yeah most of the most of those files they released were already like public information it just wasn't on the white house web's web's web's like public information it just wasn't on the white house web's website that's the only difference yeah i just put the official stamp on it again now they kind of can because well i mean look at the way people treat the white house right now it's like if your boy's not in there they don't even they could they just call on everything so you know there's a lot of people that are just they hate trump and so trump is the guy that was in charge when these got released and so they just the conspiracy side of things there's a lot of people that are just going to ignore this stuff since uh which stuff the alien stuff that's been released and put on the white house website and whatnot there's already we're already seeing a lot of of people ignoring just considering it tinfoil hat nuttery um well the problem with it is none of it's new yeah all of it was like previously known stuff on the internet you could find anywhere on the internet you know but that that was a little bit harder it's just like the first epstein yeah fake release they did with those fake binders did you see that no i didn't see that yeah they had these influencers walk like they staged like a walkout uh like at the white house where they had a bunch of influencers walk out with these fake binders that had epstein files printed on it and the stuff that was in there was stuff that was already released okay it was already public they were trying to stage some fake epstein file disclosure because trump campaigned on releasing the epstein files that's fair yeah okay that yes all right complete bread and circus yeah absolute bread and circus that's what the new ufo files are basically this yeah it's it's all yeah that's sad but i agree completely agree that that is you know they they sacrifice people when the time is right like uh it's been a while but milo yiannopoulos you remember when he was a big deal back yeah okay and he's making a comeback now yeah i've seen him a little bit more um but like like it came out that he he was on a podcast and said that he was at this uh these catholic meetings where they had like boys and stuff going on and he wouldn't tell anybody who the priests were right and like a year and a half later after the election's done and and when the right was trying to kind of consolidate power or whatever he got kicked out and that's what exactly they use this um um um um and that's not conspiratorial this is is how it's always been done this episode of the podcast is brought to you by liquid iv with the super el nino the summer heat is in full effect and it only took me one day on the boat to remind me that boat time is hydration time and that's why i always keep liquid ivs hydration multiplier with me whether it's a three-day festival exploring the farmer's market a day on the boat or a destination wedding liquid iv is superior hydration than water and right now you can get 20 off your first order using the code danny at checkout i'm always on the run with the kids boating golfing running around town you name it so i always keep a bag of liquid iv in my 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20 off your first purchase with the code danny at liquid iv.com have you did you see that that recent peer-reviewed study that that guy maxed it about those vases i did yes what did you make of that well on the one hand i can't fault him for doing good science um the one thing that i will say that he's not accounting for is selection bias and um i'll draw you a parallel that anybody can understand you know they made silver quarters until 1963 it was the last year right and they're 90 silver now if you we all go to the bank and buy ten thousand dollars of silver and they're not going to find a single silver quarter in all those thousands of quarters that doesn't mean none ever existed their adjustments have been peeled out of the out of the banks right and you know petrie spoke of uh of precision he spoke of very precise looking uh vases that were made of granite you know a hundred and some odd years ago so this wasn't unknown but it was something that you kind of had to be in the know they don't look egyptian they look like a damn flower pot right if unless you know what they look like and then it's like oh that looks like an egyptian one of those vases but if you don't i mean if you show that to 99 of people they're going to be like oh it's a cool flower pot right so if you haven't written down the precision measurements and all i've got written down is granite vase then it's easy to talk to the dude that's the curator there and say hey man 50 bucks swap out this stuff for that and blah blah blah it's it makes sense those are the ones that got passed around the most if you imagine a guy who's got three of these things and then somebody walks in and gets a chance to pick one they're probably going to pick the one that looks the nicest especially if they're in no on this stuff so to me it seems i'm not saying that his finds his findings are not as conclusive as he claims they are that's my biggest thing i think his findings are important to bring to bear but it's it's neglecting the fact that egypt has been known for artifact looting and theft for a very long time and these would not be hard like i just described it wouldn't be hard to exchange them to peel so what he did if i'm if i'm not mistaken is he went to a bunch of museums and he bought this like incredible scanning machine device and he shipped it out to with him to england or something and he went to these museums and he measured all the vases in all these museums that held this um pre-dynastic pottery or pre-dynastic vases and stuff like this and he found out none of the ones in the museums he found out they were all handmade ones right and all the ones that were granite from egypt were were aswan granite and if you compare that to the ones that are quote unquote like super precise or like almost really close to being perfect to where it has to be like machine made those are the ones that are in um matt and adams collections they're in their private collections only so and he laid this out on this graph yeah right he had like a with an xy axis and he little circle of yeah yeah sorry i i should have described the thing before i just went in in my no no no yeah and um so that's interesting that's i bought that there you go no it's definitely so outer quality microns and then what's the bottom one steve inner quality microns so machined the yellow one or the machine so the handmade pre-dynastic ones are very uh um like not perfect no yeah yeah clearly and um you know zoom out a little bit steve what so is he okay what what is the summary of this well what what he's basically saying here is that the uh vases that are in private hands tend to look nicer than the ones that are in museums and the implication be that he makes it very clear that he believes that they were all manufactured by you know some other company basically forgeries he brought one in here that he paid to have a chinese company make and he showed the video of it of it of them doing it yeah it was pretty like they were doing it by hand they were using like crazy like they were using like chisels and to do the rough outline of it i don't know i forgot how they did the the rest of it like the finishing part but um i don't even think it was like a cnc machine or anything like that no that's one of the things that i've always laughed about is that when all these machines that are in the machine is always talk about like how you would machine these things like nobody machines stone man nobody machines stone they carve it right but the interesting thing to me was that all of the vases in all the museums they all had uh lots of weathering on them and they were all the granite ones at least were aswan granite and i don't think any of the precise ones that matt or adam have are aswan granite i haven't looked into i was i would be curious i should have asked you about that because um yeah he he did say that that machine wasn't that fancy said it was affordable but of course what's affordable to matt and what's affordable i'm here just a little bit different that's funny um but yeah i mean no one no one ever claimed that this stuff wasn't it wasn't possible to do it today i think i think well there's some people no influencers claim it my comment sections are full of people screaming there's no way you could make these today the tolerances are too high yeah yeah that's what you know things extrapolate but you know ben doesn't say that and he's probably the biggest promoter of these things um so it's very interesting man it's so basically to me what his study did what what this this paper that he made did was it it it's not like a proven fact that these things are ancient it's very possible that these these precise ones could be modern yes they could be modern forgeries no i think the problem with it is you can't you can't figure out the providence you can't because it's stone you can't date it right and and if you start nailing down the providence on any of these uh you know you could run into antiquities laws and all kinds of yeah um but i think um i think it honestly put the shoe on the other foot even though i think that max is is doing it wrong i think he's taking it too far by saying that there's that this means that none of the ones that are in private hands are legit it's it's what it says is it's possible yes that they are legit and it puts it on the other foot instead of the people that are saying ancient high technology having a piece of evidence now they've got something to prove yes to get this back on the tape totally so i i you know in those regards it's a it's an important thing i just uh yeah if he you know the funny thing about max is uh you know that billy joel song i i don't know why i go to extremes it's like one day with this guy it's these are nuclear containment vessels and then now they're just fucking rocks. And it's like, dude, maybe. maybe somewhere in the middle. Well, that's how he started out, right? That's how he originally got interested in this stuff. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's just a really weird swing. We see this a lot. Like we were talking earlier about people getting involved in things, and it's like instead of people taking baby steps, they forget the pendulum has a center, and they just push it right on past. The guy that Graham Hancock wanted to debate, not Flint, but John Hoops, he flat out says that he got into archaeology because of Atlantis when he was in like 10th grade. He wrote a paper on Atlantis, and that's what got him into archaeology, and now he debunks it so hard that he's the guy that Graham wanted to go up against. Oh, wow. Yeah, these just get pushed. These pendulums go. That's amazing. It's weird how that works, but in my mind, it's like. John Hoops. Yeah, John Hoops. That name sounds familiar. He hides. He's a university professor at KU. He teaches a lot. He's a big Wikipedia editor. Oh, wow. It's a really funny fact. If you go to the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis page, he's one of the main Wikipedia editors there, and Mark Young, the archaeologist who's on the Comet Research Group, is no longer allowed to edit that Wikipedia page that he actually does the work on. Instead, we get some archaeologist that doesn't know anything about it. It's like Wikipedia is – they weaponize this stuff. Oh, yeah. That uses it. And with AI, they're even more, you know, make sure and get it the right thing, and you'll get the AI to. Yeah, but, like, to those vases, is it possible that those are all modern in mats and out of touches? It is. It's possible. The precision ones, yes, that's possible. It's possible that they are modern. Very possible. But is it possible that those giant fucking statues in Egypt are modern? No. Is it possible those serapium boxes are modern? No. No. You can't explain that shit. No. That stuff is insanely precise. Yes. And the overcut in the one serapium, the one coffin lid, you've seen that one where it's an off cut. This, to me, is one of the more interesting things. As a granite coffin lid, I think it's in the Cairo Museum, and it's got a long cut that's off. It's, like, it's curved off, and it just goes for, like, a foot, foot and a half. Really? Yeah, long enough that if they were doing it through a mundane means of a coffin, it would be, like, a foot and a half. A foot, hopper, saw, running, you know, gypsum or whatever underneath it to drive and cut. They should have caught it. If they were doing it slow, and it took an hour to do a millimeter of cutting, then you're not going to go that far off. If you do, man, everybody's going to lose their heads. I mean, there ain't no way, if that's how these things were done, that they would have tolerated that kind of fuckery. I mean, come on, right? So, to me, there are things like that that it's interesting. Like, you know, on the one hand, I'm not ready. I just say that ancient Egypt had a bunch of high technology, but they clearly were way better at working stone than we are today, clearly. And, you know, stone was the premier building material and used for, like, you know, millions of years. Hominid devolution, we were using stone points for forever ago. So, it makes sense that we would have a lot of little nuanced tricks that we put together over the generations, and then we lost it, you know, in just a couple of generations when metal. And when metal in particular really took over, I compare it to, like, how much do you know about horseback riding compared to your great-grandpa, right? It's like he was good at it. I can speculate because he had to have been good at it. I know all my ancestors would laugh at me for my inability to ride a horse, right? Yes. But that's just because of skill set change. Right, totally. And so, I think if we watch them build the pyramids, I don't think we'd be like, holy shit. I think we'd be like, fucking really? Is that what they did? Oh, my God. Mm-hmm. Why? Why didn't I think of that? Right. Just like if you know much about baseball, you know, a lefty doesn't do much besides pitch or play first base if he's infield, right? But you don't – and the reason is obvious if you think about it, right? But it's because of where his glove is and what his throwing arm is. But you have to think about it for just a minute. If you don't know anything about baseball, why the hell are you discriminated against lefties? Right. It's just the way the game is. Mm-hmm. All these little nuanced things that people don't see that seem stupid to them, but when, you know, you scratch the surface, there's a good reason for a lot of stuff. I think the ancients were a lot smarter than we give them credit for, even the archaeologists and stuff. I think they really – especially when it comes to the stars, I think they really dumbed down how much they knew about astronomy. But that does kind of make sense because archaeologists look down and not up. Right. It's just right off the bat. It's fundamentally two different things. Yeah, totally. Flint said that the Sphinx facing the rising sun was a coincidence, and that's just like, come on. Right. Well, how much does he work with people in other fields, right? Like, how much interdisciplinary work is he doing? Exactly. Is he talking to astronomers? Is he talking to classicists who are, like, just decrypting all the ancient texts and all that stuff? Well, yeah. I don't know how much of that he does. I know that pretty much all of his efforts are in debunking nowadays. When it comes to that stuff. So if he's looking into something, he's looking for ammunition to come after Graham or mostly Graham, but that whole thing. I haven't seen him put out much content that wasn't arguing with people for about a year now. Yeah. Yeah. I was explaining to Dave when he was here that the Graham-Hancock debate with Flint, I thought Flint did a fantastic job on that. And I felt like I was on an island with that opinion. I don't think you were on an island. At first, like, kind of, you know, that's why Dave came after me was because I went after Flint. And, you know, the thing that when I watched that debate, I'd already had a bunch of goings back and forth with Flint. We got along well. Yeah. Up until the whole racism thing. And I'd made a video going into detail about how what they say about the origins of Atlantis hunting is bullshit, but they do it to pin it on white supremacy, yada, yada. And when he goes on. That debate at the point when he starts talking about the racism and he's like, well, no, I didn't say that. Well, yeah, I did say that. Well, no, I didn't. Is it in quotes? And it's like, dude, you're lying. You're clearly lying right now. And so then I went back through the video with the fine-tooth comb and there were multiple times that he was just like, well, just bend the truth a little bit. And yeah, and here's the thing, too. Like, me listening to that debate as an uneducated person, just hearing it, like, you can certainly deceive people by talking fast and confidently. Yes. And that's what Flint did. Yeah. Like, he was very calm and collected and fucking confident on that podcast. And he was throwing shit in that he was adding context to stuff that Graham was saying and, like, coming back at Graham with stuff that he was saying. And, like, I was, like, impressed. Like, wow. Like, dude, this guy knows his shit. But, you know, that's the same thing Ben Shapiro does when he argues with people. He just talks very fast to where he's, like, outpacing you to where the facts can't catch up with what he's saying because it sounds so good. And he says it's so confident. And that's what I think Joe and Graham were talking about when they did their follow-up podcast because I guess there was some stuff that was wrong about the shipwrecks and whatever. Yeah, yeah. I went through that with the metallurgy thing. Like, right in the early, he's, like, talking about metallurgy in the Ice Age, and he shows a graph that's from the Roman era. And, like, I talked to an ice core specialist, this guy. Dr. Peter Neff, ICP'd, he goes by on Twitter. He used to. Now he's on TikTok alone, I think. But thanks to this whole mess. But I spent an hour on a Zoom chat with him because I wanted to make sure before I made my video my ducks were in a row. Right. And he was very clear. He's, like, you know, if we don't have the – if we test ice core and it's got lead in it and we don't have isotopes or an archaeological site that's got similar isotopes, we can't really conclude that it was metallurgy that did it. So we've never looked. We've never looked for metallurgy in these older – because we don't have any archaeological sites that correspond. So we don't look for metallurgy 15,000 years ago in the ice cores because we don't have an archaeological site to go to – to push us in that direction. And there are spikes in the lead, which Flint omitted when he talked about it. And so – and I don't believe there was metallurgy back then. I believe that Flint fucking lied when he was in front of millions of people. And that is kind of a big deal. The other one that he did, Siddle Dover. I'll tell with what me and Dave Farina's beef, he said that the pyramids were dated by carbon dating. And they're not. The pyramids – the carbon dating on all of the fourth dynasty edifices is about 150 to 300 years older than the written records. They're dated by written record. And – So, okay, the consensus on the age of the pyramids, right? We're talking about the Great Pyramid and the Coffin Pyramid. The three big boys, yeah. The three big boys on the plateau. They were dated by – By texts, the hieroglyphs and stuff? Mm-hmm. And when were they dated? They were dated to the fourth dynasty, right? About – And when – I'm saying when was the conclusion made? Oh, that like – no, this was made over 100 years ago. Okay. When they first tested carbon dating, they took that to Egypt because the Egypt timeline is considered – the written record in Egypt is considered very robust. Okay. Now, they always have to – it's not just the written record, right? When you say written record, there's like multiple different records. written records that come into play. And then there's, you know, other, letters and stuff from kings to other people and the astronomical things that happen that there's a bunch of bullshit that's involved but there's a bunch of bullshit we call it the writing writing in itself is bullshit what you just said what you just said but i want to really quickly point out that like this is a sticking point between me and dave farina is because i told him that this is an example of archaeology not operating as a science they they have this written record and then they have this hard data and just like a bible thumper is apt to do they take that hard data and they're like i'm going to shove that into my written record and make it fit and um dave posted a paper where they what did they carbon date they they carbon dated uh wood and seed matter that was found in the mortar and so some of it was done in in on the interior and stuff so it is it does um it does make it difficult you know it's pretty even graham uh you know back in like 96 in message of the sphinx he said that the pyramids were definitely built by coffray and stuff but by the kings in the fourth dynasty but he believes the floor plan the layout is much much older um but at any rate uh the fact that the fact is that what they did to get rid of this and this one disparity in the first dynasty second dynasty the written record and carbon dating line upgrade you get to the end of the third dynasty and you get to the third dynasty and the fourth dynasty and they veer off for a couple hundred years and they go back together at the beginning of the fifth um right when all the cool shit's getting built the carbon dating goes off when is the fifth dynasty what year um was the fourth dynasty was like 2600 bc so the fifth would be probably 25 40 or something like that i'm not i'd have to i'm not off the top of my head but uh each dynasty was roughly how many years apart oh yeah it's a hundred about seven some were 70 and some were a couple hundred but um the uh can you find me like a beautiful uh graphic timeline of the egyptian dynasties for my elementary school brain you can keep going oh okay i'm sorry um but yeah the the fact that the carbon dating um the fact that the carbon dating is different was only in that area has bothered egyptologists since they uh co-related the data and i want to see 2000 and either 2001 or 2009 but they did a paper in like 2016 that they use bayesian modeling if you um know what bayesian modeling is i didn't until this but i dig into stuff it's my job so um well in this case what bayesian modeling is is they they you basically you start with an idea you start with a known and you try to modify it um with uh with a mathematical formula including other mathematical formulas and you start with a known and you try to modify other mathematical formulas and you start with a known and you try to modify other things other things and so you do prioritize different and so you do prioritize different information and you revisit your original information and you revisit your original uh original belief over and over and over uh original belief over and over and over again again and so what they did with the bayesian and so what they did with the bayesian modeling on this is so because they got all these they modeling on this is so because they got all these they got all these carbon dates that are got all these carbon dates that are that are all over the place right but they tend to lean that are all over the place right but they tend to lean to that 250 years older to that 250 years older so to make it work they eliminated all the dates that didn't so to make it work they eliminated all the dates that didn't correspond correspond with a known ruler and then they favored the dates that were the most recent with a known ruler and then they favored the dates that were the most recent and that's just the most and that's just the most ridiculous thing ever and then oh well look we ridiculous thing ever and then oh well look we massaged that look we did science and made it massaged that look we did science and made it all go away and it's not it's not science it's all go away and it's not it's not science it's like if if we say that there is that you say you like if if we say that there is that you say you owe me one dollar and i say we you owe me a owe me one dollar and i say we you owe me a hundred and then i say look at this mathematical hundred and then i say look at this mathematical equation that i just did that favors the more equation that i just did that favors the more bigger numbers than the smaller ones guess what bigger numbers than the smaller ones guess what you do owe me 80 bucks it's like this is this is you do owe me 80 bucks it's like this is this is it's not science this was just a mathematical it's not science this was just a mathematical fuckery 31 dynasties yeah yeah 31 it went on for fuckery 31 dynasties yeah yeah 31 it went on for a while but it started so the dynasty number one but it started so the dynasty number one was uh 3 500 is that right right in there i think 32 maybe was uh 3 500 is that right right in there i think 32 maybe okay but uh yeah it was the unification okay but uh yeah it was the unification of the two lands but yeah there's so that that little bubble My whole thing is, like I say, the carbon dating lines up. All those other dynasties pretty well, but just that one little spot. Around the fifth. Yeah, the fourth is the big one. That's when all the cool shit, the Sphinx and those three big pyramids were said to have been built. But the end of the third all the way to the beginning of the fifth. And it's supposed to be 20 years or something like that? Yeah. I've called that one the gateway drug to being a pyramid idiot. The gateway drug. When they tell you they built it in 20 years, any guy with a tool belt is like, yeah, they did, man. Shoot. Fucking come on, dude. That's fucking hilarious, man. But, you know, I pointed out to Dave that that paper used Bayesian modeling. It was just mathematical fuckery. Yeah. And then I pointed out that my belief isn't the same as Graham's. I think that, you know, King Sneferu, like the Egyptian, he's got the three pyramids, right? He's got three big pyramids, the bent, the red, and the step. And he's the only ruler with three big pyramids. And they're like the first three big ones. I think he deleted somebody. I think he deleted another dynasty. I think he claimed their shit as his own because you can't erase a dynasty if they got a big-ass building without stealing that building as your own. And I think that's why the carbon dating veers off from the written records. I think that's why everything kind of goes to shit there for a minute. And Professor Dave didn't want to discuss that one, so I'm going to challenge him. I want to debate his ass on this one since he keeps hiding from me on it because that's not a big deal to some people, but it's a huge deal to me because if archaeology is claiming to be a science and it's claiming to follow the scientific method, it's leaning on itself in favor of a story. You know, it wants to. It's going to hold up a narrative at that point. And I'm not saying there's some big cabal to conspiracize this. I'm just saying that the Egyptologists all say that this written record's got to be what's right, and this carbon dating is just pesky. And so they make it go away, and that's not fucking science, dude. As an electrician, I couldn't do that. Oh, man, I sure wish that we didn't have to have a ground here, but I'll just do with that. It's not how that works, man. But that was actual science stuff, actually working with nature as opposed to just trying to write a story. You know, historians are smart enough. To not call themselves scientists, even though they do the exact same thing as archaeologists do. Right, and they disagree on tons of stuff. Yeah, of course they do. As we get older, life insurance is one of those things we should probably stop avoiding. Nobody wants to sit around thinking about worst case scenarios, but if you have a family that depends on you, this is one of the most responsible things you can do. 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And then they should, they should, they should have debates and stuff they should, you know, but when it comes to our past. And even debates, you don't really get anywhere, you know, I mean, so the people that are doing the debating never get anywhere. They stay, they stay separated, but sometimes like it's happened with me where I've done that and I've kind of like switched my position on things a little bit or found out like, okay, the truth is not where I stand. I thought it was. Yeah, debates, debates are useful that way, but like you were saying about Ben Shapiro and Flint, and I mean, the other one, you know, if I start throwing bullshit at you, if I'm doing the Ben Shapiro thing, I get rapid fire and I, and it's loaded with bullshit, real fact, real fact, bullshit, bullshit, real fact, you're fucked, you're, you're never going to keep. And if I'm better on you than camera and I suck and jive, and it's just, there's all so many things that have nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong. It just has to do. With who can play the field better. It's, you know, salesmen are, they work that shit all the time. Same exact thing. You don't need the product, but they're going to make you want that motherfucker. A hundred percent, man. That's the way it works. And, you know, we found, we, we, we were able to like prove some stuff wrong when he was on here, not related to the ancient civilization stuff, but some other stuff on like, you know, on like pharmaceutical industry stuff, like all these claims. It's just like, it's just like, there's no, the problem with me, with me on both sides. On his side, on, on the, the, the mainstream ivory tower science defender side and on the complete, like out in fucking outer space conspiracy theorist side, which I'm more on me too. It is like, there's not like, they don't pick a few over here and, or a few over there, like pick from a bunch of different, a bunch of different kind of like groups of things that they want to incorporate into their worldview. It's like all one. It's all the other, right. It's like, like blue, no matter who, or, or whatever it is, they just like, they, they, they fall in line with that fucking cult or whatever. you want to call it you know lockstep i completely agree it's a really sad thing it's one of the frustrating things about our country is a two-party system i think it facilitates that really well because people most people are generally single issue voters they're there for abortion or gun control or the border finance whatever the fuck right and sorry i was just trying to get you demonetized there apparently i'm sorry buzzword buzzword buzzword but uh you know so then you come in you find your constituents these guys all agree with me on my my hot button topic and so now they just told me what i feel about everything else or i lose all my buddies and we're social critters and so it's not it's it is a real easy game to play real easy game to play um it's just unfortunate because uh it ends up making even people like myself that and you bring ego into it too yeah of course especially on debates yeah right because you just want to win well you want to look like the smarter one that's the whole point of being there right i mean you learn a debate class you have all kinds of positions you take that you don't believe right if you take debate in high school i think you'll be affirmative and uh against on the same topic you've done a lot of debates though right oh that was my first debate actually oh really i thought you've done quite a bit on like on like virtually at least oh no no i i mean i've talked i okay no yeah i have you i was on zahi hawass and stuff or maybe you wouldn't come to base but i feel like you talked to a lot of people with very different viewpoints than you know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i have yeah i i try to go out of my way to do that and um i value science a lot i guess that's one of the big things that kind of um puts me in a different spot than a lot of the other pyramid idiots in our community is that i you know i i really care a lot about the scientific method and that's one of honestly one of the things that really pisses me off about archaeology because it's like it is and i think it's where the ego gets so hard on them they're they larp as scientists and they fucking know it they're archaeologists yeah carbon trading science man your stratigraphy that you can call that a science but putting it all together in some little package and saying these people were the first one in the americas and anything else is a bullshit stupid idea that is not science and that's fucking dogma and this has been going on forever you know they'll they'll say oh clovis first was a one-off and i'm sure you know about clovis first right but there's a dude ales hydralica he was the smithsonian institute archaeologist back in the 30s he's the guy that turned all the giant bones from six foot seven to you know six foot seven and i'm sure you know six foot two in the records and but he also it's even on the wikipedia page about the the fulsome tradition he fought against the idea that anybody could have peopled the americas before it's about three thousand years ago and it says even on the wikipedia page despite being edited by guys like john hoops it says that uh that any archaeologist desirous of a successful career couldn't posit that there was people in the americas more than 3 000 years ago when ales hydralica was the most important thing in the history of archaeology and this is this is how it's it's always how it is when there's a dog i mean archaeology started out as a bunch of antique collectors that were like man how does it was this one older or was this one older but we should probably look into this is that true yes that's exactly where it started from the archaeology is is the whole entire field started from from and if you really want to get all the left-leaning politically correct from white people looting the indigenous artifacts and putting them on shelves that's that's that's what archaeology started from you look at the kachina dolls in the southwest you ever seen those that maybe they're pueblo nowadays they're like a thousand bucks for a good one they're pueblo dolls that were made to represent different gods um 200 years ago they were made from corn cobs and they looked like a cheap little effigy um all of the anthropologists in the late 1800s and early 1900s that became a big rage was kachina dolls because as the noble savage was being destroyed from america as they wanted to get all the artifacts and so that's where archaeology started from and that's why these scientists with they've actually encouraged we don't get they they just don't really make normal kachina dolls anymore they don't make those corn cob things really anymore they make these warhammer 40k miniatures that are blown up to 20s they're all painted they're shaded and they're imposed and it's like okay all right it's but you know this is it's been that way these were artifact collectors yeah they wanted to figure out how legit their stuff was yes sir and try to figure out back engineer it and do the science to figure out wow to figure out how much value they had yeah and and now they call it a science and they again historians use the same they do well this is the problem with it you want to say that commerce and science are two different things but that's not true no they've never happened they're so intertwined yeah it's not even funny and every aspect of science is intertwined with clearly clearly like like you when you were talking to dave about the the about pharma and about the whole i mean you could see his position was totally faith-based he didn't have evidence to go on to say what he's saying he's like oh this i've heard of mexican killed all these people because yeah ivermectin there you go they killed all these people because they didn't get covid treatments like you got numbers on on this or are you just saying okay cool yeah no no statistics all right cool that's that's nice to know i mean it's like dude that you know we saw i've never seen anybody defend uh these billion dollar corporations like that like that wasn't like this on one on one hand you you claim to be like against grifting but on the other on the same time out of the other side of your mouth you're defending the most lying cheating stealing evil billion dollar corporations that have ever existed well yeah like i said these these guys grift he's he's a grifter i know for like for everything that he got wrong about me that he if your job is to go out and i say i'm giving you the straight facts and you get everything wrong you need to at least come out and tell your audience hey man i got some wrong there bro yeah he doesn't instead he he hides from the debate i've been challenging him to a debate for a month two months now pierce morgan potentially even he's he's oh really he's been on pierce hasn't he yeah and so have i so have you yeah yeah and so and but he's he's literally he's afraid because once he found out that my position wasn't some goofy 20 000 year old pyramid it was just like i think they deleted a dynasty and i think that you guys need to quit with the carbon dating and archaeology is not a science and there's my evidence now he realizes that he's not debating some goofy tinfoil hat dude and so he's hiding he he knows that if he sits across me i'm going to clean his clock with this one he's he's a hundred percent on it and yeah he's you notice he didn't even mention my name when he was when he was here right that's um out of it i don't remember did he no he didn't i was i was looking to see if he did or not because i know i he's trying to he's trying to pretend that i don't exist to make me go away and stuff and it's so funny because it's like i debunked i i debunked the precision vases two years ago before i did anything about flint devil i debunked the precision but i had a video talking about how not fully debunked but a lot of the stuff that's involved a lot of the goofy encoded information and all this i kicked the tires on that hard i debunked electric pyramids what was that could the encoded information that you did mark kvist believed that there was circles and different sizes inside that the vases were made oh i remember ben showing me this on the podcast and um so in my video i take my playstation 2 console and measure the power switch in the front and back and show how this is this actually if you multiply it times pi just like them by the golden ratio i've got structural steel only with this one i've got a certain kind of jet fuel i think so you did 9 11. it's just like you can just go down so but professor dave that's that's the kind of he would say right yeah except for he'd call him a idiot while he's at it but i didn't um but you he is he didn't do any research into me at all this is this is like i debunked electric pyramids like three years ago i was like that's i mean there's a lot of problems with the electric pyramid hypothesis not the least which the thing's grounded what is the electric pyramid hypothesis i don't even know about this um like christopher dunn leans on it to a degree a lot of people believe that it was an electric generator and that there was electricity inside and the granite was a conductor yeah i mean the granite can't be a conductor they we i've i've used granite as an insulator before on shelves when we were putting lights up and stuff so i i know for a fact that it'll pass code because it doesn't conduct electricity certainly not going to if it won't conduct 120 volts we got running through a wall it sure as hell ain't going to conduct whatever minuscule amount they got and they would have gotten out of all of those blocks and then well it does conduct doesn't it does you squeeze it there wasn't electricity okay and that's um that's the same thing you don't your charcoal igniters when you click it that's why it doesn't have a battery the spark comes from a uh there's a little quartz crystal in there and there's a spring and a little piece of plastic and you just thump that thing and it makes a spark okay um the reverse of that this is like the earthquake lights yeah this could very well be what the earthquake lights are from i mean the reverse of that we use in our quartz time pieces if you take a piece of quartz of a certain size and you hit it with just the exact amount of electricity it'll oscillate in an exact frequency and really fast but it's the opposite the piezoelectric effect goes both ways but the problem with that is like say a limestone block has got all this quartz in it that you could potentially get piezoelectricity yeah well every one of those quartz crystals would have to be in alignment as far as magnetically aligned to each other and then you would have to have a plate like metal on top and bottom to harness the electricity and every time they've ever done any of the tests on the pyramid that's shown any electrical stuff they always put a rubber mat underneath their model for obvious reasons so there's just a bunch of little things like that but chris dunn mentions that in giza power plant book where he met with i forget the guy's expertise but he met with like a bunch of experts over there that were discussing this stuff one of the guys i think was actually a nasa physicist and chris was of the belief that all the quartz and the granite would account for a bunch of electricity or something and this nasa guy was like there's not enough quartz yeah to make a difference there you go and i remember chris was like explaining in the book how that was like kind of frustrating for him it set him back yeah okay ai says granite is not an electrical conductor okay yeah it's i mean yeah the piezoelectricity is is cool um and that's like i was telling you earlier where i was in when i was with that crystal skull that guy that has his uh his sweat lodge he's got it with quartz crystals that and he's got water running over it so that it does create a little piezoelectric charge and then he's got a bunch of copper things and stuff around to conduct it so it's like um you know he's using it for a pretty new agey thing right so anyway uh what i was getting at though is it you know this is i don't just grab on to any old goofy thing and i've i've debunked a lot of things myself um there's you know when i was on stage with graham hancock in sedona that's how he introduced me he's like you call out no matter where you see it you've even debunked me before and i'm like oh great say that in front of all your fans why don't you i mean that's in all honesty we're all we all have different opinions about these things and scientists even they have different opinions um and i think that's a big part of the ability to move forward is to communicate without calling each other sasquatch team not not that it bothers me that much but there's a lot of other people that get really upset about it yeah well i do think it's good also that um matt bell isn't he doesn't seem super dogmatic in his view of these faces being ancient yeah like when i talked to him he's like these could all be modern he's like i don't know i think it would be a huge red flag if matt bell bought spent all that money on all those vases and was like really trying to push the fact that they were ancient and not not modern well yeah but matt's matt's in a unique position where um in the in is i'm really glad to see him doing it because he doesn't care if they become worth more or worth less it's not going to change his life one iota well i mean i don't think he's gonna change his life one iota well i mean yeah because like what you said blew my mind how archaeology started with these uh artifact collectors like trying to prove the provenance of their to determine the value because that's kind of like what these guys are doing these collectors are doing it's exactly what they're doing but at least matt's not being biased about it that's that's the big difference there is the bias and but you can see how that could go sideways well yeah you know when i get picked on by archaeologists for being an electrician you don't know anything about science it's like dude i i got tested by god in the universe you guys could if two archaeologists believed in harry potter they would peer review papers on hogwarts till the end of time and they could circle jerk that science right into the mud it's not you know again there's parts of it that are scientific but a video game speed runner that sits down and plots the best course through a game is far more scientific and operating clearly much more in accord with the scientific method than archaeology tends to do and that's i mean that should kind of put it right there it's like video again my 12 year old's video game speed runners man come on it's just it's a game right but archaeology can't it's you can't replicate most of their findings i mean and and then they cock block you on the few things that you can like the cocaine mummies you've heard of those i have heard of those okay there's a german guy who german lady yeah oh that was a lady you know svetlana balabanova that's my latest video i covered that so i've been researching that one a bit weren't we talking to a guy who did something with cocaine in egypt oh that's downtown miami yeah i don't remember i don't remember exactly what it was but i remember the guy like went to prison or something oh wow this is not the same story um i didn't know what's the story that you that you uncovered the one that uh the munich nine they're called uh that lady tested nine mummies uh that were in the munich museum and found cocaine hashish and nicotine in all three nice and uh the they they try it i guess but they would they wouldn't let us uh they wouldn't let anybody retest it they nobody's gotten a chance to do a second round on those mummies and when were those mummies dated to uh those ones i think were closer to like 12 13 16th dynasty right in there is this it cocaine found in mummified brains reveal that new world new world drug came to italy this is what you guys had on okay i didn't i didn't know this is not the one we were looking at it wasn't no oh wow so what those arrows are oh the 17th century okay this is much later it might be a second cocaine moment yeah no this one if you look up uh munich nine cocaine oh yeah you got it right there uh yeah hannah tooey is the the priestess that was the big one um but uh yeah she was of the munich nine she was the one that they knew who she was yeah there you go 21st dynasty um 1000 bc yeah and uh long before old world new world contact is accepted to have occurred um and these guys but they won't let them retest the mummies and uh it's it's created some pretty funny debunkings i had a lot of fun in my video when guys because the guys will debunk it and say well you know we tested other mummies and they didn't have any cocaine in him so i don't know about that i'm like man you're going to be my lawyer next time well your honor we tested his neighbor i know mr richards was positive for x y and z but his neighbor wasn't how do these people how do these people imagine that cocaine and nicotine got into these mummies this well a lot of people think it's you know old world new world contact right there's what contact old world to new world contact like the egyptians or mayans i mean we you know we don't all about really about what was going on in the inc and maya world and we know it was big and so i mean it is feasible that they did you know trade some some drugs back and forth and people and so many of the debunking things well why didn't they bring other food stuffs why didn't pablo escobar bring corn with him i don't know man it's not that complicated it's like you're bringing something that people really want and and the other thing that was really interesting was that they point out and kick the tires on which is funny they say uh because the egyptian mummies have about one-third as much as the peruvian mummies there's a bunch of mummies from peru that are loaded with cocaine what yeah yeah but they come right from where it was at they just chew the leaves right but then we we find it in their system oh it was coca yeah it was coca but it wasn't actually when they isolate it afterwards it's cocaine that they're isolating right they taste they take she takes a sample of like a tooth washes it with water and alcohol smashes it with a steel ball right and then you know uh richard priors it without blowing herself up so what she's left with is cocaine right so wow so that's why they call them the cocaine movies but uh yeah it was definitely cocaine wasn't synthesized to like 1855 i think right right so that's right right and yeah so these people were probably chewing coca leaves and stuff like that but how'd they get there yeah how did the mummy get to egypt that's the question well yeah how how did the how did the cocaine get from uh peru to all these different mummies i mean it's one thing it was just 1000 bc yeah well they had boats back then right clearly and yeah of course they had i mean and the odds all basically this is why there's a lot of pushback it's it's proof of cross continental contact long before it's supposed to be expected that accepted it goes against the narrative it goes against the narrative cross-continental contact and yeah see and they can't they can't reproduce the results a lot of them should only show nicotine um but yeah the the the claim of contamination is a funny one to me they say oh maybe the the mummies were maybe somebody spilt cocaine on it and it's like i mean when i was on rogan that was the first thing i said when he asked you about the cocaine i was like well you know it kind of seems to me like some of those guys are just like i don't know i don't want to do this i don't want to do this i'm just doing bumps off of the mummies back in the 70s pretty straightforward not impossible i guess no but now but the thing is is she washed it with water and alcohol but even if she just washed it with water like she did in some cases i mean dude you put cocaine powder down and pour a little water on see what you got left you ain't gonna have no cocaine left you know so it's like she's cleaned these things contamination's not really so they ignore that and they also accuse her of outright lack of cocaine so she's cleaned these things contamination's not really so they ignore that and they also accuse her of outright lying that's one of the the big ones she just she's just bullshitting yeah and that's again that's the same kind of that dave was here well this scientist i don't agree with him yeah so he's a liar yeah okay they know they're grifting they know yeah there's no such thing as a true believer that disagrees with you sir oh i can't believe i'm in your presence yeah have you have have you um looked into jeffrey drum's stuff the land of chem yes yeah i've had him uh i had him on my channel for a live stream of a couple years ago that's pretty interesting i think his whole hypothesis i've spent over 10 hours talking to him about this stuff yeah i still can't recite exactly what it is it's so complex but it makes so much goddamn sense no a lot of it is really interesting and he's actually spent more time than anyone i've probably ever talked to in those pyramids like walking through them looking at it he lives right there across the street and uh basically like 30 000 foot view of his theory is that they were the bent and the red pyramid and the step pyramid were extracting chemicals from the earth and manufacturing for agriculture and for metallurgy and it was like ammonia and nitrogen yeah all kinds of other things just basic stuff yeah very basic like chemical manufacturing and he even had a guy make a replica of was it the red pyramid it was a red pyramid where they measured it and it matched perfectly the Fritz Haber device that he invented with the Haber method to figure out what the Haber method was producing what chemical that was but it was the exact same thing if you look at Fritz Haber's contraption it is the almost exact same mechanism of action of that red pyramid and how it was creating ammonia okay yeah that's pretty interesting there's I like his I like his hypotheses a lot the only thing that I don't know about is the that makes me question anything at all is when he talks about like the veins of iron and stuff the iron veins yeah I don't I haven't been able to find any references to those but I didn't dig real deep I just dug into a little bit and I was like it doesn't seem like we're finding this so I could be wrong but well he actually has photos that he's shown of like going in those cavities on the sides of the pyramids and he like has pictures of the iron veins and yeah he's spent he must have spent an hour explaining to me all the evidence of the iron veins that are underneath the pyramids and all that stuff and like the different types of rock that perhaps a stone that conducts heat and stuff like that and you know he thinks that the Filippo Biondi thing is complete bullshit yeah and Filippo Biondi invited Jeffrey to his first presentation that he ever did on this stuff so kudos to him for actually having someone in there who is gonna like have a nuanced opinion on this and give him pushback but Jeffrey's of the belief that there's natural there's sort of like natural iron veins that go down underneath the pyramid he doesn't think that there's like these perfectly spun coils that go down under it and he also he did like a very detailed breakdown of all of the papers that the Biondi guy has released and he's found inconsistencies and stuff and like he's found you know holes in their way of measuring it and like one of the big things that he pointed out to me was in the central pyramid I think it's the Khafre pyramid when the Biondi protocol as he calls it used their satellites and the other I forget exactly how it's done SAR aperture radar when they use that to scan the central pyramid they found they showed their their diagram or their heat map of it or whatever and he claims that there's these big chambers inside of it the size of the king's chamber well we know for a fact those aren't in that pyramid so that's a huge red flag yeah to me at first these scans had me a lot more excited because like I looked into synthetic aperture radar again it's my job so I dug into that and you know in the 70s they used it and they used they just analog stuff there's this really cool chart that was like a picture of a blob and then like a Soviet tank and a picture of a blob and a Soviet plane it's like this this is for the military this this synthetic aperture radar blob is usually this t-34 tank or whatever then computers have made it to where like this down to like I think it's two centimeters of fidelity from space so when days like oh we're using AI to make this it made sense to me and then we even dismiss the five King's chambers is when you get five thumbs on you know sometimes when you make an AI art I still kind of little stupid yeah but now it we're at a point where it I'm very much on the shitter get off the pot at this point it's like I either dig dig up go somewhere prove it or quit because of you know second Sphinx and more stuff on its idea I'll forgive a little bit of stuff to market I get you got a cool product here but the fact is you're out there screaming about all this shit and no alphabet boys have snapped that shit up yet and said this is mine or disappeared him or I mean you know the US government probably wouldn't even use it to look at other guys we'd probably just be like you know I'm way more concerned they're gonna use it to look at us so just fucking toss that and throw put that in the lock and throw away the key but mm-hmm so yeah there's a lot of things that may be really really skeptical about the military applications on this honestly would be there's no way if it was working the way it does that it wouldn't have been by now well yeah if you when one of the other big problems with it is if you look at the raw data like the raw images that it came up with and you look at the AI renditions that he made it's like how in God's name did you come up with this out of this yeah yeah it's like pull up the images of that stuff dude it's insane yeah it's gotten pretty bad and another thing Jeffrey was telling me he's like because the way they they went about doing that which is it's I guess it's not illegal how they did it but like generally when you're doing that kind of stuff you want to get like the blessing of Egypt or the people that are the antiquities or whatever and they did that kind of like Rogue without getting actual permission to do it and now Jeffrey's saying that he talks to a lot of people that work inside like the uh Department of Antiquities or whatever and they all tell Jeffrey he's like this guy's not gonna touch another grain of sand on in the Egyptian desert like if this guy thinks he's gonna do anything else after this he's like he's gravely mistaken that's crazy because I mean what you know I this stuff is basically non-invasive right I mean this is totally is yeah they're using I mean the the the satellite data you could even just go buy it it's already it's been around for a while right find the one that they did of the Great Pyramid and then the one they did of the Central Pyramid too yeah the one with the five Kings Chambers and the Central Pyramid the Khafre Pyramid uh yeah saw a pyramid scan yeah try to type that in see if you can find the raw one it's pretty great yeah there it is on the right yep that one nope left left more to the left left up up right there so that's a side angle view yeah of the Great Pyramid yeah that's not yeah yeah this it's definitely a uh you can kind of see the up outer edges of it a little bit I mean even the way that they say that it works it's shooting through a pyramid's a little tricky because it's the idea is it's reading changes in the topography right right so it's changes in the soil so if it takes two scans for one of these things to work they the idea is like if you're walking on a piece of concrete and there's a tunnel underneath it and there's sand the sand's going to vibrate differently over the tunnel than it will on the concrete yeah that's okay but the pyramid ain't you know ain't got tons and tons of sand covering it where they got all this data to collate from it so I you what are the blocks moving every day or something you know it's so it there's there's a lot of things that really just don't seem to add up and uh again I was I was trying to be lenient at the beginning because AI is goofy man and you know anytime new tech comes along it's it's hard to wrap your brain around it but uh yeah at this 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head of go Beckley Tepe Lee Claire. Oh, that was him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on Flint Dibble's podcast once. Oh, was he really? Oh, okay. It was like a live stream. But I think that honestly, like, Flint kind of drug him into the middle of this shitstorm. Yeah, it seemed like he really didn't want to be involved in any of the public stuff. Now he yells at me on Twitter regularly. Oh, does he really? I mean, me and him have argued on the internet before. He calls me all kinds of names. Oh, damn it. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right. I thought he was a virgin. You know, I think, honestly, I think Zahi Hawass is, I think he's a shill. I think he's a wrestling heel. I think he just deliberately. he plays the bad guy there's nothing to see here there's nothing you know what i when i was debating him on pierce morgan he says to me uh he shamed me for not having visited egypt yet and um you don't even know what you're talking about it's like okay um everything he does seems to circle back towards tourism which he is the minister of tourism and antiquities so um and you know there's a video of him there's a two-part video it's an interview where he's talking about the things you want to do to increase tourism to your country and so this is for guys like leigh claire right um he says you don't want quality the quantity of people you want quality you want americans you want japanese you want chinese you want people who will bring enough money to change your economy and also he's this is right after the whole arab spring when zahi gave this uh gave this speech and he says no matter what is happening in egypt those new age people they will come he knows what side his bread's buttered on and this is why i think that they're dragged their feet about investigating this day uh the muon chamber that they found with the muon scans in the great pyramid like eight nine years ago which one is that uh there's like a second grand gallery looking thing that they found oh above the grand gallery and they haven't investigated yet in all honesty i think it's um the same reason that they're not going to town they're gonna go beckley tepe the mystery is what makes the money if they find a mummy in there you know zahi's in zahi's thinking they might lose tourism revenue yeah and it's going to cost money to dig it out and they're not going to dig it out yeah so yeah there you go now this is with muon scans this is much different than the synthetic aperture radar muons are subatomic particles that are like all over the universe flying through space and um they pass through pretty much anything but they do bounce around after they hit the earth and so they detect this by that so it's definitely um you know it's difficult to know it's it's clearly uh like i mean you can see right there they don't even know exactly how it's oriented but it's the size of like an airplane yeah there's a big old and just like with gobekli tepe i mean if you know gobekli tepe if they excavated everything there um the mystery would be gone right and it to the new agey people these guys zahi hawas um like i said he's very clear about that being the case in egypt and i go out in the lemon say gobekli tepe any of the places that got popular from the atlantis broke community right when the atlantis boroughs start talking about the place you get increase in tourism and a lot of those people are going to go there and spend a lot of money but not really they want a mystery so they don't really care if you've dug up all of all of 95 as a matter of fact if you haven't then they can say you know what that so honestly i think zahi wasp i think he's playing that angle i think he's walking around like ted dibiasi did when we were kids telling his people with his black dude did he braces this towards so you just want to hate him same same kind of thing you just just go ahead and hate me just come here and spend your money you think that they'll go um like they make a lot of money from gobekli tepe tourism hey they charge like 20 bucks a head i think it is and that's not a fortune but that's 20 american dollars ahead right i mean you're getting money dude you're getting it right and they're not just spending money at the site they're spending the money to get there into the entire economy right they're staying there in hotels and and you got to think about like you go to a lot of these places you could 50 bucks will get you a lot further there than it will here and so you know these guys are to us it's like them beating another 50 bucks out of a person's nothing to us but to them that's feeding a dude for a month so there's there's all kinds of um it's sad i think the same thing about the tread actual mummies for example i think that those are because i think that the guys that are doing it are getting some dollars for it peru's got a problem with did you see jesse michaels documentary on that i did not i haven't i i admittedly was it good yeah it was really good i don't know but i've also had heard a lot of people say that it was because there was another guy involved in the whole thing um jaime i think his name was jaime something who was like actually promoting fake mummies like fake yeah and um but from i mean i'm kind of vague on it now because it's been so long since i've watched jesse's documentary on it but he went down there and he found some mummies that had like metal infused to their bones and stuff like that and like those pictures he had some legit scientists looking at it saying that it had to have been real yeah no i i've seen the photographs that i've read some about that i read a lot more than i watch youtube yeah i've seen the photographs that i've read some about that i read a lot more than i watch youtube so you can find an image of jesse michaels uh mummies that he found those are the fake ones yeah those ones were proven fake right there oh you're talking about the one that was found in the cave yeah the ones that were in jesse michaels um recent video yeah that's because those were different and one of one of them had a um like a a fetus yes did you see that going around yeah too the elongated skull fetus because i've been covering the elongated schools quite a bit lately this is it yeah yeah have you so have you looked at this one no i haven't looked at that one yet i mean i've seen it but i haven't dug into it no i've it's like got five six fingers right yeah uh i think three fingers or four of it maybe i want to take a look into this remember we had that that little short video about this where the guy was explaining it yeah i mean i can look for it yeah see if you can find that it gives a good like uh breakdown of what we're talking about yeah it's a good like uh breakdown of what we're talking about yeah see if you can find that because it gave it gives a good like uh breakdown of what we're talking about what we're talking about what the whole thing was about and like where what the whole thing was about and like where what the whole thing was about and like where they found them they found them they found them and what was interesting about the uh like and what was interesting about the uh like and what was interesting about the uh like the cat skins they did on it and like the cat skins they did on it and like the cat skins they did on it and like the skeletal thing they were like they the skeletal thing they were like they the skeletal thing they were like they were like were like were like basically they were saying this would basically they were saying this would basically they were saying this would have been impossible for them to make have been impossible for them to make have been impossible for them to make this thing like this with the skeleton this thing like this with the skeleton that's inside of it with the fetus and like it's it's biological and it's like maybe they could have taken bones and pieced it together but it's like yeah very low chance that it was fake that's interesting i don't know i haven't looked at it i haven't looked at it in a couple months so i don't know i don't know if it's been proven wrong or debunked i'd love to dig into it some like the the peruse peruse problems with with you know arc the elongated skulls from paracas for example the that surrounds those no end um the guy that was in charge of it julio tello back in the 1920s and 30s um he uh yeah he he sold a bunch of them to rockefeller he sold four or five of them to rockefeller for three thousand dollars and now the in the we're up where i live in the pacific northwest there was loads of these elongated skulls in the 1880s 1900s but they were all looted like heavily looted in the 1800s and early 1990s so rockefeller comes on the scene those are all gone but he finds out what there's summons in peru and history records him as taking an unexpected immediate trip to peru he buys four of these things from tello so now there's about like 200 and some odd grave bundles there and he gets to cherry pick four or five these skulls were displayed in the met and in the national history museum in new york there is no record there's no photographs there's no record of their measurements there's no drawing and he repatriated them and uh peruvian government doesn't know which ones they are either apparently they just put them back in and repatriate them they never made it back to peru they just got sold to somebody else um the but there's another time where in the 1960s or early 70s the guy that was in charge of the schools then opened 60 some odd bundles and recorded the contents of six and put the other ones back on the shelf without even saying which bundles they were and it's like some of these grave bundles that these skulls came in like these these guys be buried in these uh kind of textile bags you can just imagine the dude opening well that's that skull's not going to sell back on the shelf oh holy that skull will sell here right to write down the contents of this one and it's so i it goes back to that money thing it's like this you know that when rockefeller paid three thousand dollars for that yeah tello was getting three hundred dollars a year to care for all of those stuff he just gave him ten years worth of funding for four of them he's like take them right he thought he was they'd be a great amazing benefactor because again and to rockefeller three grand yeah yeah it's funny uh when luke caverns was here he was saying that when he was like exploring uh like south america and central america he was like looking at these kind of like ancient pyramid sites or whatever and he said a couple of them were guarded by like cartels like armed cartel members were there like looting it like apparently cartels make a ton of money off the black market like i bet looting these ancient shit and selling on the black market so sad but i totally believe it um you know the the tunnels that they just found on their cusco you remember like last year they were like oh we found this big network of tunnels over uh under cusco i don't remember or something um but yeah they're they just just found just announced it last year um you know brian forester's been taking people on tours of that for 10 years um there was a scientist oh really scientists in the early 2000s screaming about these things the there was a guy i would garcilano garcilaso de la vega who was the the son of uh inca high priestess and a spaniard conquistador and um he records immense tunnels being down in there and they were so scary that even the bravest of warriors were afraid to go into the things and i deluded it man they they told they peeled every goddamn thing out of there and then they're like oh look look what we found come pay us tickets to go in there now that there's not a stitch of gold left right that's i mean i i'm there's a lot of things i'm not very skeptical of and um and human fuckery is one of them i i have no problem believing people are being assholes right trying to do whatever they can to get in your pocket and all that shit i want to see what's down underneath that serap or not serapium but in that labyrinth in egypt i want that one is one of the more interesting ones even though the scans kind of tainted it right now um the fact that they have consistently said oh well you know all these reports of this are only half right they only the above ground right part true below ground part bullshit that's who's saying it's bullshit the mainstream egyptology has been saying it for like a hundred years i think sir flanders petrie found found the site and yeah at hawara and ever since then they've just said that just you know that we have a labyrinth but it's not the underground one that her owner just described yeah well it's crazy that we have like this ancient greek texts that explain it being like twice as extravagant or like unbelievably impossible than the actual great pyramid itself yeah and that's i mean that's the stuff that you know those are the mysteries that keep you going but the problem i guess is is it's all underwater right that's because you can't explore because it's underwater yeah there's i think the water table would it we don't know where it is exactly right how deep it is but it's a safe assumption a water table would be sucking up a big big chunk of it a lot of it again i mean goose lead to golden egg people go there and visit and go man i wonder if i could find a way to get down into the ground over here as opposed to spending 20 bucks on a ticket i mean imagine how much more money they could make if they freaking excavate it sucked all the water out of it and like let people go down in there yeah yeah you would but imagine how much they'll lose if people look around and if they really look hard and find nothing they spend millions of dollars and find jack shit and not only do you lose millions of dollars but you kind of kill the mystery and that's a i mean i think that's a big part of it is you're really you know this this whole stuff in my mind is fun that when you've got one foot firmly into what we know and one foot firmly out of what we know and you're just kind of standing in that twilight zone where it's just like where are we what's what's going on here and they you know you kill the mystery and you're just like where are we what's what's going on here and they you know you kill that mystery you tell me where my second foot's landed and now it's just i'm just taking a walk this is fucking boring but um so i you know i could be wrong about this but that's honestly i think a lot of the i don't think that there's some big top-down conspiracy in almost any situation i i almost always think it's just people being people and we just all tend like like we were saying earlier with the social media you get twice as many clicks ripping the country in half so you don't need a conspiracy to tear the country apart you just turn on youtube let us let us all go at each other we'll all be sasquatch taints by the day's end didn't ben say there was like a uh like a giant metal object or something inside that labyrinth yeah they're supposed to be um that's i believe their scans said the same thing but um yeah again i can't really trust the scans anymore because i ain't digging nowhere so which yeah those are getting old man do we know do you remember when those scans were done and like who those don't that's the the uh filippo b ande scans that was a filippo biondi scan that said there was a freaking metal object down there yeah that's that's the problem with like i would say that's what they can you find that steve i'm pretty certain that it was scans that show a giant metal object inside the egyptian labyrinth yeah i'm a little certain it was a little synthetic aperture radar scans i didn't know that they scanned the labyrinth well that's interesting yeah that's the thing is they don't have to this this what's funny is they don't have to scan anything all they do is buy data they just go to the satellite companies that have already scanned it years ago that's why i was saying it's completely um it this is the kind of thing not only is it completely unobtrusive but it's also the kind of thing that scares the out of governments because you could shoot all the satellites out of the sky and it would be it doesn't matter we've already got the data it's it's it's already we've been flying satellites around the planet for hundreds of years yeah see yep merlin burrows scans too oh oh maybe not can you zoom in a little bit after grasping the true magnitude of tim akers satellite scans a quiet urgency set in we knew the implications stretched far beyond academic uproar fearing not only the backlash from the establishment but wider dangers such as revelations that might trigger disturbing interests well outside the bounds of archaeology our research team made a crucial decision one born of caution to keep the findings secret we chose not to share any of the scan data outside our closed circle implementing a strict non-disclosure agreement for anyone granted access to the images this wasn't out of a desire to hoard information but rather to protect the feasibility of our main goal to carry out a new expedition on egyptian soil right so if you wanted to get if you wanted to justify excavating this thing the last thing you want to do is say we found a ufo down there because they're never gonna let you do it so keep that a secret yeah can you keep scrolling we learned from past experience namely the release of our scans and so associated with dr carmen bolter associated with dr carmen bolter associated with dr carmen bolter and klaus donna and especially my own and klaus donna and especially my own and klaus donna and especially my own matcha expedition scans of 2008 that matcha expedition scans of 2008 that matcha expedition scans of 2008 that making loud public claims only led to making loud public claims only led to making loud public claims only led to temporary media attention followed by temporary media attention followed by temporary media attention followed by lasting obstacle that is so true that lasting obstacle that is so true that lasting obstacle that is so true that makes so much sense keeping a low makes so much sense keeping a low makes so much sense keeping a low profile rather than triggering a profile rather than triggering a profile rather than triggering a short-lived storm of speculation would short-lived storm of speculation would short-lived storm of speculation would get us much further releasing the scans get us much further releasing the scans get us much further releasing the scans too early would risk blowing our cover too early would risk blowing our cover too early would risk blowing our cover with figures like zahi huas and the with figures like zahi huas and the with figures like zahi huas and the ministry of antiquities potentially ministry of antiquities potentially ministry of antiquities potentially landing us in the infamous blacklist landing us in the infamous blacklist landing us in the infamous blacklist that barred the independent researcher that barred the independent researcher that barred the independent researcher graham graham hancock graham graham hancock graham graham hancock um i myself have been placed on the um i myself have been placed on the um i myself have been placed on the blacklist once before back in 2008 blacklist once before back in 2008 blacklist once before back in 2008 after presenting my match expedition after presenting my match expedition after presenting my match expedition results during the lecture at the ghent results during the lecture at the ghent results during the lecture at the ghent university hawass interpreted this as a university hawass interpreted this as a university hawass interpreted this as a breach of national security protocol breach of national security protocol breach of national security protocol implant simply for publicly sharing our implant simply for publicly sharing our implant simply for publicly sharing our geophysical results i was determined not geophysical results i was determined not geophysical results i was determined not to repeat that experience the egyptian to repeat that experience the egyptian to repeat that experience the egyptian prison was not the type of labyrinth i prison was not the type of labyrinth i wanted to be lost in so we chose silence wanted to be lost in so we chose silence wanted to be lost in so we chose silence over spectacle well that's smart to do it over spectacle well that's smart to do it over spectacle well that's smart to do it that way i completely agree with this that way i completely agree with this that way i completely agree with this guy he's doing it the correct way which guy he's doing it the correct way which guy he's doing it the correct way which is the opposite of how filipo biondi did is the opposite of how filipo biondi did is the opposite of how filipo biondi did it yes it yes it yes but where does it talk about the but where does it talk about the but where does it talk about the metal object okay okay okay uh dippy that's what it was dippy uh dippy that's what it was dippy uh dippy that's what it was dippy okay all layers converge at the central okay all layers converge at the central okay all layers converge at the central corridor or avenue he added like an corridor or avenue he added like an corridor or avenue he added like an atrium of a shopping mall where you can atrium of a shopping mall where you can atrium of a shopping mall where you can see all floors from one vantage point see all floors from one vantage point see all floors from one vantage point a hall consisting of a massive space 40 a hall consisting of a massive space 40 a hall consisting of a massive space 40 meters wide and no less than 100 meters meters wide and no less than 100 meters meters wide and no less than 100 meters long long long my personal interpretation tim said is my personal interpretation tim said is my personal interpretation tim said is the central object is hard to classify the central object is hard to classify the central object is hard to classify it appears metallic not stone or wood i it appears metallic not stone or wood i it appears metallic not stone or wood i named it dippy after the giant diplodocus named it dippy after the giant diplodocus named it dippy after the giant diplodocus skeleton skeleton skeleton in the hall of london yeah like that's a in the hall of london yeah like that's a in the hall of london yeah like that's a great it's a great image great it's a great image great it's a great image um in the national history museum it um in the national history museum it um in the national history museum it could be anything its shape resembles could be anything its shape resembles could be anything its shape resembles those tic tac hard mints it might also those tic tac hard mints it might also those tic tac hard mints it might also be be be an upright disc or even a colossal shin an upright disc or even a colossal shin an upright disc or even a colossal shin ring ring ring the ancient egyptian symbol the ancient egyptian symbol the ancient egyptian symbol representing the eternal cycle of representing the eternal cycle of representing the eternal cycle of creation the object alone raises creation the object alone raises creation the object alone raises profound questions on how did it get profound questions on how did it get profound questions on how did it get there and why is it there there and why is it there there and why is it there i'm glad that it's not the same scans i'm glad that it's not the same scans i'm glad that it's not the same scans because that's yeah it's not beyondy because that's yeah it's not beyondy because that's yeah it's not beyondy no no no who is this guy who is this guy who is this guy yeah i remember when this image was yeah i remember when this image was yeah i remember when this image was making the rounds i just assumed that it making the rounds i just assumed that it making the rounds i just assumed that it was another one of the sar things and so was another one of the sar things and so was another one of the sar things and so that is supposed to be a depiction of that is supposed to be a depiction of that is supposed to be a depiction of the labyrinth yeah it doesn't look like much this yeah it doesn't look like much this yeah it doesn't look like much this looks like a light scan right looks like a light scan right no it doesn't um yeah you can see why the uh no it doesn't um yeah you can see why the uh no it doesn't um yeah you can see why the uh the beyond day scans are getting the beyond day scans are getting the beyond day scans are getting more attention for sure more attention for sure more attention for sure yeah yeah yeah well this doesn't look like it's done up well this doesn't look like it's done up well this doesn't look like it's done up with ai it looks like they just colorize with ai it looks like they just colorize with ai it looks like they just colorize it to show like depths and stuff like it to show like depths and stuff like it to show like depths and stuff like that right yeah it's pretty that right yeah it's pretty that right yeah it's pretty there's amazing times we live in when there's amazing times we live in when it comes to that stuff where they are it comes to that stuff where they are it comes to that stuff where they are you know what you know what you know what if you can imagine how a guy that was a if you can imagine how a guy that was a if you can imagine how a guy that was a treasure hunter felt in the 70s when the treasure hunter felt in the 70s when the treasure hunter felt in the 70s when the metal detectors got dropped onto the metal detectors got dropped onto the metal detectors got dropped onto the scene and it's like all of a sudden you scene and it's like all of a sudden you scene and it's like all of a sudden you can look under the ground and it's like can look under the ground and it's like can look under the ground and it's like man we're we're finding things now right man we're we're finding things now right but uh yeah that white noise i mean but uh yeah that white noise i mean but uh yeah that white noise i mean yeah you know again i i fell for it i yeah you know again i i fell for it i yeah you know again i i fell for it i thought that was just another one of the thought that was just another one of the thought that was just another one of the similar scans we've been getting tons of similar scans we've been getting tons of similar scans we've been getting tons of lately a second sphinx and there's a lately a second sphinx and there's a lately a second sphinx and there's a thing in the chain big old tunnels under thing in the chain big old tunnels under thing in the chain big old tunnels under the pyramids oh yeah there's a maze too the pyramids oh yeah there's a maze too is what it seemed like to me. So that's, you know, just from personal experience, it kind of seems like that whole, like I was saying earlier about hiding a needle in a stack of needles. You just make up as much bullshit as you can and then you just throw whatever you want out there and it just gets lost in the shuffle. So this debate that you did yesterday with Matt, what was the subject of it? And what was the conclusion? Oh, well, it was with Neil Sendlack from Gnostic Informant. And it was about the age of the pyramids. And basically it was about whether or not the mainstream has got it right or not. And like the tweet that really got me to be like, all right, I'll go ahead and challenge. I'll go ahead and accept the challenge with this guy. He said that basically people like myself and Graham Hancock and Jimmy Corsetti don't know anything, don't have a Wikipedia 101 level of knowledge on this stuff. And so that's, you know, he he came in thinking that i was going to be holding up a 12 000 year old pyramid or whatever 10 000 year old pyramid and then i'm you know like i was saying earlier 250 years difference i think that that snefru stole a dynasty in there that stuff's all he said all this shit in my videos before but you know he kind of came like trying to prove something that was like yeah i agree coffrey was a yep coffrey built them yep i i got no problem with that it's like there was we we argued about a few things but by and large what we ended up arguing about basically the age of the pyramids basically the age of the pyramids well the thing about like the mortar couldn't that mortar have been added later as like a restorative project yeah that's i mean anywhere where it's accessible they went out of their way to try to get things that are inaccessible but if you can get a tool in to extract it you could get a tool in to to put it there exactly that was one of the things with one of the things that i was thinking about was like how can i get a tool one of the other pyramids there was a piece of wood that was in one of the other pyramids that they dated to way earlier too and it looked like that wood was there to just like prop something up or like to it would it looked like it was definitely added way later yeah and even this uh there was the wood rod in the great pyramid like there's there's a three artifacts that were found in the great pyramid that were like in the queen's chamber behind the wall when he dude busted the rock and found i forget his name but guy saw that there was one of those star shafts and he assumed there would be another one and back then you didn't have a zahi was so people just went around with hammers and gatton brink the gatton brink door no but it's not it might be the gatton brink door um no i don't think it is a door it's one of those it's similar to it though um but it had a stone ball a metal hook and a wood rod in it and the wood rod went went vanished for a little while and then when it turned back up they carbon dated it it was a couple hundred years older than the pyramid supposed to be like anything else and uh you know they try to say the old wood hypothesis i should should preface that with these guys when they talk about that they say i think it was old wood that's where neil was at yesterday old wood makes sense we just this isn't contemporary with this room we all have chairs at home that are 20 years older than we are okay that's a fair point to a degree we don't have this problem again in the first dynasty in the sixth dynasty it's just in that one little spot and in addition to that when it comes to the written records we know that egypt was importing shit loads of wood from lebanon at that point so if there's ever a time in history when we shouldn't see it in egypt it should be then because there was no shortage of wood coming in there's the the dating that that 250 years dating thing is as um yeah i like to really hammer at that one because it really does prove that these guys aren't practicing science they're they're they're playing a game over there what do they think that the function did they think the pyramid was a tomb yep that was a big part of what we were talking about here you think they were just tombs and tombs alone i think it was part of like a resurrectionary thing you know the egyptians had it was like 12 gates or 16 i forget how many depends on the dynasty too but they believed that you would go through this all these different stations of the afterlife and one of them was the weighing of the heart against the feather you've probably seen that one um whether they both weighs the your heart against the feather and yeah okay that's one of these gates so i think they emulated these on the ground and i think that's why uh that's one of these gates so i think that's why orion you know the orion giza correlation that orion and the three um pyramids are okay orion was osiris um who was the god of the passage of the underworld so it makes sense they would try to invoke him there i don't think that any one king was laid to rest in that pyramid for longer than a set amount of ceremonial time before they were brought to another one and brought to another one which is why we don't in the big ones which is why we don't find bodies in the big ones ever because they were never left there that's why the the portcullis door is in the great pyramid history for granite did a great video showing how they were it was made to be opened and closed repeatedly not just dropped once and never opened again and that doesn't make any sense unless you plan on going back so i think that i think they actually emulated those gates on the earth when the king died when the pharaoh died and i think that's what the pyramids are for um but i've got a lot of goofy theories like that that are kind of more mundane but still uh still a foul of egyptology i guess you could say like i think the sphinx for example was uh you know the ben ben stone and um the egyptian creation myth was this primordial mound that came through the water and so like the first stone that comes out of the water well you go back to the green sahara period like ten thousand twelve thousand years ago the sphinx before it was carved was just an outcrop of rock that faced due east caught the rising sun and then it was carved and it had water that was like between a foot and two feet all around it so i think it was their primordial mound it was connecting water and sky and it like by its straight uh alignment and i think that's why they dug the the bottom of it out wasn't to facilitate carving paws and stuff it was to continually bring in water to continually collect water even as the sahara started to dry up it was a ceremonial place and it got recarved numerous times in my opinion and eventually to what we see now but when it fell into disuse it was in my opinion because they couldn't get water into it anymore so it failed it's as a ceremonial center no longer did its job and so the next guys come back a couple centuries later they clear all the sands build their little dream still in front of it and now they they know the sphinx but i don't think that those guys knew the sphinx at all i think they were completely in the dark as to what it was really about yeah to me it just seems like it seems like the way that it's constructed and with the different types of stone and just the way the granite is laid out like in the king's chamber specifically above the king's chamber with those layers of granite how the tops are perfect and the bottoms are rough and the shafts that don't even go outside there's like literally pieces of limestone blocking the shafts that also connect out potentially could connect outside to these pits it just it seems like it was a it was there for a function i i i agree um it does and i as a matter of fact i mean like i i don't have a problem with uh with jeffrey's ideas and stuff we talked and stuff i get along with the guy well um but i think you know the old idea that um well they'll sing your songs around the campfire forever right it's like the immortality in the minds of a lot of people is contingent on being remembered on the earth and i don't think it's the only way to do that i think it's the only way to do it and i think it's the only way to do it and i think it's the only way to do it i think it's the only way to do it nobody and so what better way to facilitate that by then build this big old fucking mystery machine it's and so again this is this is my opinion and i know a lot of people don't share it but i it's kind of occam's razor it i don't and i'm not saying they didn't again i think if we watched them build it we'd be blown away but i don't i have a more mundane reasoning for it i don't just say it's just spirituality i've got a i got it fleshed out and it can explain it to people explain why i think what i do but these are the kind of things that yeah they definitely they didn't think the way we think oh no not at all right like our brains aren't even living in the same context that theirs were no you you see that a lot with uh the ancients when they talk about nature and stuff and they use these natural metaphors you're like fucked i'm so far removed from that i don't know what the hell he's talking right i was a boy scout right right and who knows also like what kind of fucking drugs they were taking that were showing them like quantum layers of the universe that were teaching them how to like who know you know who knows we have no fucking clue and you're gonna have people right now going oh you take drugs the universe i forget the dude's name the guy that sequenced the fucking dna they first figured out human genome he was on acid when he would figured it out yeah and uh a great one that i like to talk about is that carrie mullis i'm not i can't remember the name he won a nobel prize that probably for uh this guy we might not be talking about the same one but carrie mullis won a prize for no he uh carrie mullis he created the pcr test no you're thinking different people well but you know like fractals were were hippie shit for the longest time that was just man fractals dude check it out and then some dudes like makes a cell phone antenna out of fractals and it's like way better than anything else and all of a sudden it's like not only does it change the way you look at fractals it's like all this talk of sacred geometry that they just knee jerk at it's like well a shape be magic cancer maybe maybe we should and like to go to the drugs when they're like oh geez graham hancock eats a bunch of drugs blah blah blah blah blah and what does he know it's like okay the people that built that pyramid over there that designed it in especially in like in south america were they on ayahuasca okay so if i'm trying to interpret what they were about and i don't do ayahuasca you can have hell of a time understanding if you don't smoke weed buddy dude have you seen this there's a a vessel that was taken from ancient egypt and it's in the university of tampa and it's called the cup of bess and they just analyzed it about two years ago and they found all kinds of crazy shit in this cup it was like human bodily fluids like vaginal fluid uh water like a egyptian um here it is show us the uh description okay here you go drinking vessel in the shape of the cup of in the shape of best um where does it say it like it was from in the description of it and all that so they analyze go up they analyze the proteins and metabolites using genetic tech or yeah genetic techniques and a sync synchrotron radiation-based four-year transformed infrared microspectroscopy the authors found that the mug contained residues of psychotropic substances that included uh peganum harmala known as the harmel and rizzi or syrian rue nymphia new jolly var uh blue water lily um and they also found evidence of human blood bodily fluids such as oral or vaginal mucus and breast milk in this egyptian mug you know we got no idea what kind of shit these people were consuming bro yeah no we don't and so six the vessel in the shape of best played an important part in the cult all the way from the 16th century bc to the 5th century ce do they say when this mug was they can't carbon date it right they're saying that this particular example dates to the right third century bc you know they they probably could um maybe they could date the fluids in there yeah maybe vaginal fluids in there maybe vaginal fluids in there but it smells yeah were they able to date any of that crap when's the ptolemaic roman period that's uh the ptolemaic period is the the greek occupation and the roman periods the roman occupation scholars have speculated that they may have been used to hold holy water wine beer and that cult members drunk from them but the residue of their contents has rarely been studied until now and we know for a fact that there's there was like ancient rites and rituals going on in like ancient greek and greece and rome where they were consuming all kinds of crazy stuff like ergot lit laced wine and beer and stuff like that and you know even that could be where like all this biblical came from people just tripping their balls off very well could be very well could be i mean they even ate mummies back then like up until not too long ago they would a good chunk of the mummies that were in the record are completely gone and were eaten hundreds of years ago we know they were eating the mummies they were eating like as far back as i think the 12th century oh my god so like uh yeah 11th through 18th century medical cannibalism from the 11th through the 18th centuries europeans practice medical cannibalism consuming ground up okay they ground it up at least egyptian mummies maybe they made tea out of it or something after they isolated the cocaine yeah they believed that they contained mystical healing powers yeah they were doing all kinds of fucked up it's crazy and so yeah they were doing vivisections brain surgeries all kinds of fucking prisoners to figure out how the human body worked yeah oh yeah it's yeah you you didn't want to get in trouble in egypt like i was saying about that miscut on the on that big block you didn't want that's the kind of thing you don't want to get in trouble doing man they didn't just cut your head off in these places right yeah yeah you're going to suffer um which is you know it's an unfortunate reality that's all the way up until recent times you know it's a funny thing i like to muse about is the way that they think that genetics have a memory kind of a genetic memory yeah how many generations did the powers that be just fucking annihilate people when they fell a foul of the law it would put you on the wheel and just bust you to shit or scaphism or all kinds of crazy shit and then nowadays it's like people are scared to death to go to jail even though they're just going to give me food and put me in a room and it's like the same like this primal fear of falling a foul of the authority i just wonder if some of that doesn't come from you almost wonder if they didn't know what they were doing to a degree i'm not saying they understood dna but understood how to you know husbandry right how to breed something in the right direction yeah yeah it's it's insane the history and and maybe one day we'll be able to develop like a time machine we go back in time and watch how the pyramids are built go go check it out in the uh vatican archives they got the little magic mirror they say you just watch a magic mirror it's like a magic supposed supposedly like a time machine you can just watch in the vatican archives really yeah i haven't heard this one yeah i'm sure that it's but i mean didn't you do something on the uh on the ark of the covenant talked about it a little bit yeah it's uh the ark of the covenant's interesting it's you know i mean i don't think that it generated electricity but uh i don't know what wall was inside of it on the flip side it is really interesting um you know as graham hancock points out moses goes up to get the ten commandments he goes up mount sinai and he comes down and the history reset or the bible says he was angry because uh everybody was worshiping a golden calf so he broke the stones on it but he goes up again and meets god and comes back down again with these tablets and this time his face shone and he had to be covered up like his face was glowing light and didn't happen the first time he met god so that's a little um as graham hancock points out in fingerprints of the gods it's interesting it's almost like maybe he was finding something that you know was radioactive or who knows what something that was goofy but um so you know the ark of the covenant could have all kinds of different things that you know we're going to get into that in a little bit but um the ark of the covenant could have all kinds of different things that that it could have been but in all honesty i think it was more than anything else i think it was just a uh just something that people that moses copied from the egyptians now what the egyptians had going on with arcs is i would give them a lot more credence than i would moses but um moses was most people most like scholars like historical classicists and um scholars on this don't even think moses was a real person he's like a uh a cult leader or excuse me like a uh i think character yeah like a like a uh john from is to the uh to the uh uh cargo cults john from i'm john from right oh john from where i'm right from mexico exactly exactly yeah um and that i mean i would agree with that but there was definitely a lot of iconography a lot of stuff that that i mean the ark is an egyptian idea there's arcs all over just the ark of horus it's much cooler looking than uh the ark on indiana jones if you ask me really yeah yeah the ark of horus the ark of horus yeah i haven't seen that i'm sure steve will find it he's he's he's pretty ninja-like um but uh yeah the egyptians had a bunch of arcs um and it wasn't uh that's cool actually like i say way cooler than the regular ark of the covenant in my opinion oh wow um but like uh they think these were made to emulate like the solar barks yeah it's possibly people believed in magic yeah just a little oh just another thing is those doorways too like a lot of those doorways that are everywhere all over the ancient world of these like stone they like like they look like they remind me of like the portals in minecraft you know yeah i know it it's a weird thing because on the one hand it's like uh you know none of the stargate talk seems to have jumped up around the pyramids and stuff until stargate the movie coming out which is a little a little bit of a red flag in my mind but um at the same time it's like all of these things that are why would you carve these fake doors this is a lot of work i think that's one thing they really discount it gets discounted a lot by academics just how hard it is to make a lot of these things and so you make a three fake doors for example and that's you know that's weeks of work hundreds and thousands potentially even of man hours go into that and so you would think there's probably some sort of a reason yeah but i guess like if your belief was strong enough and they these guys these people really did believe in this these like cosmic powers or these god omnipotent gods who can literally control the weather and control whether you live or die i can imagine that they they would go to you know the feat of crafting something over 20 years like that if they really believe that you know yeah i have no problem with that it's not that crazy no it's not that crazy at all it doesn't have to be it doesn't have you don't we don't i don't think we have to distill everything that we see back then to a like materialistic view no because right now everything we do and we put time and money into materialist things now i don't think it's reasonable to say that they only did that back then i agree i think that on the flip side of that we have um a lot of uh how do you put it a lot of ideas around these things it's ex always they're always esoteric it's spiritual we find writings we wonder what what is it what is the great meaning and now if you look around this room and you see the writings what there is a great meeting advertising advertising advertising advertising advertising so it it doesn't stand to reason that some of these inscriptions that we're like man i wonder what gods that we're talking about was just edith joe's you know it's just um i i think a lot i think a lot of times that we we put more into it than that and and then to go the other way if this is your business how you know how much effort would you put into building it 20 years isn't too long especially if it's a going to be a dynasty thing right i'm going to give this to my kids and their kids and their kids yeah put a lot of effort into it so i think that i think we have to keep kind of our our feet And we, the ancients did think about things a lot differently than we do, but there's also, I'll guarantee you that there was a caveman, more than one caveman that was denying the existence of God's 50,000 years ago. I was there on the hill the day Grok got killed and there was no fucking God there. This, I'm sure that this has been being said forever and a day. Just like I was saying earlier, there's always people that are always going to believe. There's always people that are going to be, nah, man, nah. The Bible remembers Thomas for being a doubter, right? One of Jesus's disciples. And when Jesus is resurrected, he's like, yeah, I'll believe it when I can put my fingers in his hands and stick my hand into his side. And then what the spear hole was supposed to be. And then according to the Bible, Jesus presents himself to Thomas and here's my hands, here's my side. But the point is even one of Jesus's 12 big faith head disciples was skeptical as fuck. And that's, that's kind of normal, man. That's, you know, he fooled me once, right? Right. So anyway, I think that the, the ancient mysteries are something that it's difficult for us to, to suss because we always end up that pendulum swing. We, it's either this or it's that, or, and you know, a lot, a lot of these things like, like a lot of people, there's, I'm trying to think of this symbol where they argue about whether or not it's, oh, it go Beckley Tepe, the iconography, whether or not some of these represent, words or whether they're just a picture of an animal and it's like can it be both and i opened up the beginning of this book and there was the s and the first page and it was all artistically flourished to look like a snake that's that's not uncommon right i mean right it's just so i i think a lot of those kinds of things it gets really difficult if we don't know the culture but i think a lot of those kinds of things we really need to look at from as many different perspectives as possible that's why i think you know archaeoastronomy is a field i imagine where they and i think that's a really important one that's heavily overlooked by not just archaeologists but by people in general because it's it seems weird but it seemed and it seems backwards and ultimately i would i would be slow to hang my hat on most archaeoastronomy theories and stuff i'll be slow to say that's a hundred percent but what they offer is a totally different potential potential answer it's it's completely out of left field and in all honesty when it comes to to things that the ancients were concerned with it'd be sex food stars life and death i mean what did you do after your day was done you watch the heavens and then you find out that the stars stars change the earth changes and then you end up with your first generation of guys that don't do anything for work they just sit up on top of the hill and they're astronomer i'm not telling anybody all i have to look one day a week they don't need to know that if i can teach my kid that but send those chicks up here send some food and this this extrapolates all the way into the modern day i think that that's the reason that people believe in the horoscope is that same fundamental belief that grok can tell the future because he was looking at the stars and he knows he told us when the herds were going to come back and he was right he told us when to plant and he was right and so i think that people like one size fits all rules yeah they really like some so you can tell the future by the stars let's go but it's sad but what do you do yeah people are people yes they are totally hold that thought i got to be real quick oh yeah yeah we'll be right back what we were saying about like some of these ancient texts and stuff and like using it to like verify claims of archaeology and archaeology working with texts to sort of corroborate i think it's important that like you have these different disciplines that can corroborate things together you know or at least get as close to the truth as possible to find some sort of commonality between all the different things right like the archaeology the the dna studies or the carbon dating that also can correspond like find some texts that also corroborate it too you know like when people like it's fine if it's fine if this is like this is your religion like that's fine if you want to believe that that makes you a better person more power to you but if you want to claim this as like an absolute fact and everyone should agree with it you have to have a lot of more knowledge about it and you have to have a lot more knowledge about it and you have to have a lot more knowledge about it and you have to have a lot of more corroboration a lot of more corroboration a lot of more corroboration between multiple disciplines you know i completely i couldn't between multiple disciplines you know i completely i couldn't agree more it's like the whole like what agree more it's like the whole like what agree more it's like the whole like what we were talking about earlier with the moses we were talking about earlier with the moses we were talking about earlier with the moses thing or even like ezekiel there's not any thing or even like ezekiel there's not any thing or even like ezekiel there's not any contemporary texts outside of the bible contemporary texts outside of the bible contemporary texts outside of the bible that clint that say anything about these that clint that say anything about these that clint that say anything about these people who was his physician who was his people who was his physician who was his people who was his physician who was his son who was his doc who was his son who was his doc who was his son who was his doc who was his lawyer right we have for all the other lawyer right we have for all the other lawyer right we have for all the other people in history that we know were real people in history that we know were real people in history that we know were real we have texts that corroborate people we have texts that corroborate people we have texts that corroborate people that they were in association with right that they were in association with right that they were in association with right and multiple authors also talking about and multiple authors also talking about and multiple authors also talking about them but like when it comes to people them but like when it comes to people them but like when it comes to people like like like ezekiel or or moses like like like ezekiel or or moses like like like ezekiel or or moses there's none they're only in that one there's none they're only in that one there's none they're only in that one canon there's no other corroboration of canon there's no other corroboration of canon there's no other corroboration of these people ever existing and the the these people ever existing and the the these people ever existing and the the analogy that i think is great to analogy that i think is great to analogy that i think is great to describe this would be like two thousand describe this would be like two thousand describe this would be like two thousand years from now people are claiming that years from now people are claiming that years from now people are claiming that gandalf was real gandalf was real gandalf was real and how do we know that because there's and how do we know that because there's and how do we know that because there's this divinely inspired trilogy called the this divinely inspired trilogy called the this divinely inspired trilogy called the lord of the rings that says he lives in lord of the rings that says he lives in lord of the rings that says he lives in the center of the earth yeah exactly the center of the earth yeah exactly the center of the earth yeah exactly that's that's pretty good and that's but that's that's pretty good and that's but that's that's pretty good and that's but that is that is that is i completely agree with you there that's i completely agree with you there that's i completely agree with you there that's it's unfortunate but um you know it's it's unfortunate but um you know it's it's unfortunate but um you know it's hard for us to peer back and pierce the hard for us to peer back and pierce the hard for us to peer back and pierce the veil and veil and veil and it takes um like i was saying about it takes um like i was saying about it takes um like i was saying about archaeostromia it takes all these archaeostromia it takes all these archaeostromia it takes all these different angles and stuff and it's um different angles and it's um different angles and it's um without those different angles without without those different angles without without those different angles without first of all you have to accept first of all you have to accept first of all you have to accept there's a mystery if you don't accept there's a mystery if you don't accept there's a mystery if you don't accept there's a mystery i say this a lot because atheists love to say if you if if you say that god did it you're worthless to me in the lab and it's like well i'll take a step further buddy the minute you say the scientists settle the minute you say we know you're worthless in the lab um but uh like i'll give you an example of from myself i promote my own crap um i've got a theory on the baghdad battery that's more in line with what jeffrey would would think um the bag that's playing with that yeah yeah the baghdad battery is a the pot that was found in baghdad it's a couple thousand years old it's got a copper copper tube that's in encloses a iron rod the iron rods pitted um some people have claimed that there is like vinegar residue inside of it um it's been stolen it disappeared in like 2003 from the alphabet boys grabbed the thing um and when they went over to iraq so i'm sure that it's totally not a rich dude's shelf somewhere but um anyway they think it the fact is that that setup would be a galvanic cell that could work as a galvanic cell if you filled that with an electrolyte which vinegar would work but what's a galvanic cell a galvanic cell is a type of battery that uh converts a chemical all batteries convert chemicals into electricity right okay um in this one the way that it works is the the copper is called the the cathode and the copper draws basically it creates kind of like a vacuum where it makes it it wants electrons to come to it so the iron starts shedding electrons and that flow of electrons creates electricity that's what electricity literally is the flow of electrons so the thing is the copper grows and the iron shrinks um if so if you were to instead of using a a vinegar as your electrolyte if you were to use say acidic runoff from a mine that had gold and silver in it the galvanic cell the way it functions it'll separate those metals noble from non-noble so at the bottom you would get a sludge that would be iron and magnesium and nickel and then on the cathode on the copper itself you would get copper mercury gold and silver so i don't think that these things were made to create electricity i think that somebody figured out that if you put copper and iron in acidic mine run off that the coin that the that the copper will peel the gold out and then take the next step the the iron piece is pitted it gets smaller and then gold magically appears inside i bet you they thought this was alchemy i bet you this is where the idea of that comes from wow and that's pretty crazy and to dovetail with this the other the things that the debunkers say oh there's others there's other jars that have similar components but they're not arranged the same have scrolls inside so the debunkers say this is probably just a scroll jar but in in those are the scrolls are always esoteric some of them directly talking about alchemy so it seems to me like this was it seems to me way more likely that this was what it was used for than to power some electrical device we have yet to discover um you know right people wanting to all you had to do would be drop a piece of iron and a piece of copper and some of that mine run off like i say come back two days later and that copper will show you the magic it's like discovering cheese which is pretty easy to do and once it's done you just don't tell anybody just hide it because you're over there 20 jars over there mining gold for me wow i mean so anyway that makes sense and thank you and i think i honestly i think it falls in better alignment with occam's razor and with the data we have in the record but it took not disregarding the fact that this could have been a battery i couldn't just knee-jerk and say ah that just didn't have electricity that's stupid i had to actually look at it and say okay what do we got here let's think about this okay dave farina is a chemist he should have known this he's done videos on galvanic cells has he done videos on this thing no no no but but um it had he done a video on it would probably been like milo rossi's where you just talk about it And the thing is, if you take a little time, he, he, there's no reason I should have come up with this idea before he did, except for I didn't just knee jerk and say, eh, this is stupid. And again, he's done videos on galvanic cells straight up. So yeah, anyway, it's, um, it's an unfortunate reality, but the denial of mystery is one of the biggest cock blockers to us learning more. Right. We already know. And the mysteries are the things that get filled with like the unexplainable stuff, right? When people like to fill that hole with God or aliens typically. And as long as they're not using either one of these two to go whoop up on their neighbor, I don't really have a problem with that. Right. I won't consider it, um, as robust of a, you know, line of evidence and without some evidence, but you know what I mean? Right. I'm open. Like we were talking about with the aliens and stuff, man, you know, do you go back to the ancient stuff? And I'm, I'm like, okay, yeah. Before the CIA got to play fuckery, I I'm a hundred percent on. This is weird. Well, here's my favorite part about Jeffrey drums theory. 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All they're cracked up to be. It feels good to worry less. It feels good to Geico, which seems mundane on surface level. It seems very explainable, right? It seems, it doesn't seem as crazy as free energy, right? Cause it's extracting natural resources from the earth for things that we do today, metallurgy and agriculture. So, and he doesn't, he, he, he points out that you can make this leap. But he doesn't make the leap if we wanted to, and NASA has said this, if we wanted to inhabit Mars or inhabit any other planet, what we have to do is we have to establish manufacturing, utilizing the native resources of that planet before we go there because we can't just bring shit. We have to be able to make shit. They're utilizing the natural resources. So if some civilization came here and they wanted to set up shop here, that's what the first thing, according to NASA, that, that they would do is figure out how to extract the natural resources in order to survive here. So there's a nice little bridge there for the ancient aliens people. And that's cool. You know, I honestly, um, you know, I do a lot of what you get, you could even call it apologist. I know that a lot of debunkers would, but, uh, I think a lot of this stuff, the people, they're not skeptical, they're cynical and I'm skeptical. So I don't like it when the people take my word and fucking tarnish it. Like a great example of this, the idea that. Mars had life on it a billion years ago is something they just laugh at and laugh at and laugh at and laugh. Oh, that's the stupidest people. I think most scientists agree with that. Now, now they finally got to the point, but I'm sorry, intelligent life. We say like the idea that there was intelligent life on Mars. Um, a lot of times I jumps into the, the whole panspermia thing, right? Like jump. Okay. They, they treat that as just the stupidest thing on the planet, but the same people will believe that there's life elsewhere in the universe. They'll believe that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. There's gotta be on one of those planets. Okay. What planet has better odds than the one right across the street than the one with tardigrades you fucking, you, you fucking tell me right across the street. Literally, literally, if there's a planet out there with better odds, you let me know in the meantime, calling this stupid is cynical. It's not skeptical. It's it's bullshit. It's grifting. It's selling a fake bill of goods. It's you guys are smart because you agree with me on this. But in reality, this is a really. Fucking stupid position to hold and it, you, you can be skeptical of it and say, well, we don't have any evidence for that. That's fine saying, this is stupid. There's no way this could happen. No, that's stupid, man. That's not, especially when, like I just pointed out, they'll, oh, well across the universe. Sure. Just not, not next to us with all of our, they don't even know. We don't even know how rare AO by Genesis is. We don't know if it's a one-off. I mean, that's an assumption that, that it happens in other places, but we don't know for sure that a bio Genesis is like life. From non-life, like the, the origins of DNA and RNA and the first cells and all that. Um, we don't know how rare that is. And so, um, from a purely scientific perspective, you know, if you believe in God, it's, it's a whole lot easier to put that one into being wherever you want. But if you're just, just expecting nature to do it, we don't know how often. So being in close proximity could be the only way we could be the only rock with life on it for all we know. So, yeah, anyway, that, that. That kind of thing. It's, it's funny to me. It's like, it's backwards. It's, it's not, it's, it comes from not thinking it through and, and, but be claiming that you are being intelligent and I'm, I'm, I know better. And you just need jerk, but you need jerk with your fucking lab coat on. So now it's not a de-jerk. This is science. It's like, no, maybe it's still wait. Are you aware of the Xenon one 29 that they found on Mars? So it's an isotope. I believe Xenon Xenon one 29 that they discovered on Mars that, um, I think it like really like blew a lot of people's perspectives out of the water. They, they found that there, because we know that we found it here. And, um, the only place that we find it on earth is at ground zero of nuclear tests. When we detonate nukes, I remember hearing evidence for nukes on Mars, but yeah. And there's a whole, there's a whole big theory on how there was like an ancient nuclear war on Mars, NASA's curiosity, river analyzed atmospheric gases. Finding that Mars has an unexpectedly high abundance of Xenon one 29. The discovery has helped scientists piece together the history of the red planets, atmosphere, and, uh, geological evolution. You know, if it's like the idea is if the universe is expanding and like the planets are moving away from the sun, right. That at one point earth was more like Venus is now, and Mars was more like earth is now. And there could have been life there and over billions of years, maybe they hopped from Mars to here. Yeah. And that's either on purpose or an accident and that's not, you know, it's not completely outside the realms of possibility. So like, uh, the face on Mars never got me going as much as the pyramids and stuff that does get me looking a little bit more. Um, and it's always funny because then again, you get put in that tinfoil nutter club and it's like, dude, this stuff is, it's just so funny that people get just disregard this stuff. And, and that, again, it blocks. The inquiry, we are, how do you solve a mystery? You don't admit is there you don't, you just fucking pretend it doesn't happen. And so you're just la, la, la, la, la, and nobody knows that. And the people that we task with, the people that we pay with it, the people we put in positions of power that we, that the government slaps their red stamp of approval on, and they get the white lab coat and they stand in front of all the people, these guys, when they do that, when they knee jerk and stuff, man, I, you know, they, they're humans. I get that their egos. I was gonna get involved. I don't expect it not to. However, if a cop, if I go spit in a cop's face and he breaks my fucking nose, he's gonna lose his badge because he's expected not to let his ego get between him and his job. We, if you can't do that, don't be a cop. If you can't do that, don't be a scientist. If you're not capable of separating yourself from your work to the point that you're gonna muddle your work with your thoughts, I mean, dude, maybe you go flip burgers. Mm-hmm. And then you have the parts of science that are protected by the national security state and where they have to have clearances. And like a great example would be how there's images that are brought in through like the biggest telescopes that we have on earth that have to get cleared through the Pentagon before they're able to be made public. So like- I'm not surprised. Like what sort of astronomy is out there? What sort of studies of the moon or the Mars are already out there? That before they're made public to us, have to get passed by the fucking CIA and the Pentagon. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's nuts. I mean, historically, the best scientists that we've ever had have been working for the government, for the purpose of war and maintaining us, the United States, as the dominant superpower in the world. Best scientists the Germans had were working for us, too. Yeah, we got fucking Nazis, dude. We got half of them anyway. Yeah. The ones that the Soviets didn't throw into gulags. Right. That's really funny. I watched that thing a few years ago on Netflix, and it was showing the American in space race side by side. And like, we've got our Nazi that we've, Wernher von Braun, and he's over there making his rockets, and he's got all this. And then it shows the Soviet dude, and he'd ran afoul of one of his superiors, so like five years before. So he's been in a gulag for like five years. Oh, God. Right off the bat. It's night and fucking day. And then, yeah, their, their, their, their whole set up it was like a lot like their world war ii uh reputation of just throw bodies at it just throw bodies at it yeah well there's allegedly like there's allegedly um there's stories of like legit people who have like blown the whistle on seeing images from satellites of like ancient structures on the back side of the moon yeah i can't believe that and you know like what would happen if that was made public and like oh my god these structures on the moon resemble these things in egypt yeah or that we have here what does that mean yeah it gets they don't even want to discuss the cross-continental contact like the cocaine mummies we were talking about like the elongated skulls if you if you look up a map of the distribution of artificially modified craniums it's like all along the coast and all of the world by the way um and this this blew my mind when i started digging into it just how covered up this was like um the pacific northwest like i was saying earlier it's got one of the highest concentrations it's lewis and clark reported a one grave site with 3 000 above ground burials that were all elongated skulls and like there's thousands of them up in there but nobody ever talks about you don't ever hear about it like i uh wandering wolf mike collins his producer sammy lee went to the university of oregon and studied native american history for like two years right there where they were doing that she never learned about it um wow to kind of just cover it up and the if you look at those maps like i was talking about um the mat there's a map from like 1938 and it shows a distribution of artificially modified craniums around the world and then there's a map from 2019 that shows the same thing and the more modern map is missing every pacific island it's missing huge swaths of the united states it's missing parts of asia it's missing parts of it because science loses information as it progresses apparently it's this the telephone game it's a cover-up there's very few times i will say it but this one point blank you like i was saying about the skulls that rockefeller had you can't see them they don't know they don't have you they're on the island of nui they had artificially modified schools one of them was 96 as wide as it is tall there's no measurements no photographs and if you want to see it you're going to have to go to the island too i forget it's uh maybe it's in uh maori but there's a museum and this is the thing is a bunch of these museums that they say they're doing it for cultural sensitivity but it's a ball european owned modern western world museums and the cultural sensitivity argument doesn't wash with me uh it's like um you know if we're they say they don't want their spirits captured by a photograph or a drawing or some such and it's that the amish don't some of the amish believe that but they're amish next door don't so how is it that in dutch pennsylvania there's a disparity of opinion on this but the entire pacific ocean feels the same way the there's a and it's in numerous places hawaii you ever heard of elongated schools in hawaii probably not but 8.6 of the ancient skulls that were studied are elongated are artificially modified not not crazy elongated not like the ones in peru can you find some images of these no you can't you can find record of it so i'm saying i've got a book that i put um you could find see these notice everything you're getting is paracas you get every now and again you'll get one from china um and i've got a book that is from the smithsonian from 1960 called the chinook sign of freedom and it's the artificial it's like con calmly c-o-n-c-o-m-l-y was a chinook chief he had an elongated skull he spoke with lewis and clark he was well known well respected and um you know i've i've i've got a bunch of books that i've put in my like my channel page on my youtube and and uh like my channel members and my patreon supporters but i can't put them out in the mainstream or they're just going to take it down that that book is out of production you can't find it um and this is all over it's like the the amount of these artificially modified skulls that you see in the record when you read the explorer account stuff it's all over but it's all coastal almost all coastal not quite but almost all coastal and why is that in my mind probably because they were in contact with each other and that's why i think they're hiding this stuff because it's the same as they don't want us to know about pyramids on mars any of these implications i don't and and here's the thing i don't think this is like some big top-down kind of thing i think honestly a lot of this stuff is just one or two people making a decision and then other people falling into lockstep because he's the influencer or whatever right right so um but yeah there's definitely i i i am slow to say a hundred percent there's a cover-up on something but this one did they flat tell you yeah we've got the skulls you can't see them what is the conventional explanation to why they were doing that to their skull like doing that uh they can usually consider it the same thing as like ritual scarring or tattooing um but i got a different theory of course um the ones that were found in china they're like in the 60s they're about ten thousand years old and they were mistaken for about 30 years they were mistaken for chrome magnum skulls they look a lot like the ones that were in the pacific northwest so it seems to me like some of these guys were trying to emulate chrome magnets pretty safe place to start if the experts are mistaken him for chrome magnum maybe that's what they were trying for and so then you look at the that 90 the ones that are really wide you see some of those in the record the stewie griffin i jokingly call it right but these these ones are um same kind of thing it's like uh they could be homo habilis or something like that that they're trying to emulate but then you get to the the peruvian ones and it's like well i mean neanderthal had a little bit of a cone head compared to us but that's some sigourney weaver alien looking right there i don't know so again to open the door to the ancient alien guys it's like it looks like they were emulating something here it looks like they were emulating something there maybe they were emulating your aliens over here boys i don't know yeah maybe they were seeing aliens they thought they were gods and they wanted to emulate the gods or it could be could be so many things it could just be like one that they were smart they show up and it's like they they teach people stuff and whatnot and you know one smart dude yeah they put a wig on or is that the real hair no that's that's the baby from peru yeah that's real hair wow but yeah if you look uh what are the ones if you check uh crazy dude if you type in c-o-n yeah they would have to start doing this at at early in life when the skull is still soft the the explorers that saw um in that chief khan colony the explorers that saw the chinook that did it um it's in the beginning of that book one dude wrote down said that the side of the baby was hideously funny it was like its eyes bulged from the bandages like a mouse caught in a trap oh could you imagine doing that to your kid oh so it's like they had a pretty damn good reason for doing it ah dude yeah it's yeah it's pretty pretty i mean it's pretty crazy but uh you know it's one of the things that's funny is these guys down in paracas down in peru those skulls are huge compared to um most of what we see in the rest of the world and that's that's i mean there wasn't the biggest things i hammer at with the conspiracy with the cover with the rockefeller cherry picked four or five of the best ones of those from paracas now if just for argument's sake if one of these had three eyes and horns hanging out of it do you think he left it there do you think he took it so if brian forester's over there go man i need to measure the cranial capacity of this one and see how big its orbital sockets are i was like yeah you really need to measure the one we don't have because that one's probably cooler almost certainly cooler and that's where it gets really 98 96 wide as it is tall can't find it you found out there was a whole bunch of them going up here can't find it we know that there were people doing it down there we put it in the museum and you can't see it it's like you you look and and then paracas is even crazier because paracas does show you everything except for the ones that rockefeller took so it's like they funnel you over here to the ancient aliens one they don't leave you over to talk about the ones that are more mundane everything's funneled over towards paracas and then um yeah then they can put tinfoil hats on all of us and ignore us like we're talking about the hillary clinton email right it's like another tinfoil hat uncle yeah totally well so the brian forester guy you just mentioned what is his overall like what's his whole thing oh he thinks they're aliens he thinks that that some of them were like what is he known for um he's known for these elongated skulls he's known for the elongated yeah he's okay i thought he was connected to atlantis for some reason well to a degree but he's he's a he's the the guy that i mentioned earlier that did like the tours in cuzco and stuff of those tunnels okay he's been down there for a long time looking into this stuff and uh he's probably more popular more known than anybody else for bringing those skulls to to bear as to the public um him and david childress the guy from ancient aliens i don't know if you know him um but those two they co-authored a book together and then since then brian's wrote a couple on his own but so what is your overall view on atlantis because when when flint was here out of all the things he explained to me i seem to agree with him on his view of atlantis his overall view of it okay well my overall view is the story of atlantis is the greek version of a broader myth um like uh compare we'll start with the biblical version and the greek version of the flood um in the greek version they're a democratic society that was a bunch of warrior poets that used the same orichalcum precious metal on the walls of their temples it was stuff the greeks valued and then the biblical version of it it was all about god one monotheism you worship the one true god all these nephilim and they all these demons they're all fucked and this is the one true god saves noah it's like a cultural lens applied to something that the ancients seem to have taken for granted happened and i think that's where a lot of people get hung up with like i'm looking at the right shot structure i'm looking over here i'm looking over here if we if we all got wiped out now and twenty thousand years from now scientists were looking back they would call us like like they do the clovis culture see from shining sea i'm sure that the people spoke the same language in new york and in california i mean they'd call us the electronics people they'd just be and then they lumped us in with the goddamn french right so i mean that's how that's how bad it gets right but so but seriously i mean that's that's how it would that's how we'd be viewed so i think yeah like i think um i think easter island's a great smoking gun place for them like they dev almost my opinion about 90 chance that there was something there before the floods and on easter island on easter island and um one of the biggest reasons i say that is because of the look you know what axis mundi is or like a world naval it's an idea that this is the first this is the center of the earth this is the place where the umbilical cord of god touched the earth and this is where it began to grow from whoa okay this is a universal concept you see that the uh the oracle of delhi was one the uh dome of the rock is one um the there's a lot of stuff that's going on in the world right now and there's a lot of stuff that's going on in the world right now and there's one in india but i forget um they're always centrally located saksehu amman was one they're always centrally located to a culture except easter islands got one and easter island is a far-flung corner of the uh the polynesian empire but if you lower the sea levels right it would connect no it didn't connect but it becomes a centrally located island in a big chain of islands that stretches from the americas to asia it's right over the right before you get to the mid-atlantic ridge it would actually be kind of the waypoint before the furthest jump of that journey can you find like a topographical ocean map of easter island like around easter island between easter island and like south america and see like what the elevations are of the seafloor that's interesting so it would be like a connecting island chain yeah it's close enough that you could see some of them and easily sail to all of them right and and all of a sudden it's very centrally located so to me that right there is a big smoking gun for not only the fact of the island but the fact of where it is on easter island specifically where it is in the polynesian world specifically and then there's there's actually their myths talk about when they found the place like they resettled it about a thousand years ago and their myths talk about how they were looking for it and the king saw it in a dream and then he sent people out to go get all these different foods and then they went there and it actually is interesting even though it's a thousand years ago it proves something that they want to say it wasn't true they not only they find human dna going both directions from easter island into south america and south american dna and easter island and spreading out into polynesia but in the lowest habitable layer which is the oldest archaeological layer that they know of on easter island there's all these obsidian blades and they had sweet potato and ginger and some other other crops as well but sweet potato is native to the americas ginger's native to asia these guys were definitely in contact with a thousand years no question and it's very interesting to see how they've evolved over the course of their lives you still don't get to hear about this none but the science is the science is settled as they like to say yeah but no the science is pretty conclusive there is there was content and that it only makes sense i mean come on if the guys found easter island out in the middle of fucking ocean how could they not find a gigantic landmass that's equally as far away to the other side that's the stuff doesn't make any sense to me it's like right people think they just they just explore and stop is that how is that i mean to me the whole sailing across the ocean the first time a kid and his dad got in a fight and the kid's like fuck you i'm gonna get on a boat and take off that is on buddy just like that yeah i just find the chain of transmission for plato's atlantis interesting oh yeah um there's not a lot oh that middle one's interesting this one no above that yeah there's a better you just get a better version with three little maps i was gonna say if you get a you could just use the uh you could just look for a map of oh yeah look at that look at that look at that i mean i'm saying yeah that could totally be an island chain if the sea level was much lower yeah and let me refresh it's like zoomed in oh yeah and so yeah you can see like it it's uh it's just the tallest peak out of all of them yeah and where it would be located um like that's right that that next little jaunt to the left is the atlantic ridge there's like a little empty spot there and that's the biggest jump you'd have to make and how far is this from hawaii oh i'm not sure how far zoom out it's like a few thousand miles from america but i don't know how far it is from hawaii proper there you go hawaii's way north look at that yeah god lee that's like that's a long distance thousand miles yeah so the distance between easter island and south america is about half the distance between easter island and south between easter island and hawaii yeah isn't that crazy that is so crazy man and yeah so then how crazy is it how much of this fucking planet is under the underwater oh man oh man that's so much of this planet's underwater and uh and so much is unexplored and that's where uh you know in the debate with flint that was one of the things that had the aftermath they got graman to say there was no evidence no evidence for that no evidence for that no evidence for that no evidence for that his lost civilization is a soundbite they throw around but he was specifically if you read the transcript or watch a video he's specifically talking about continental shelves africa and south america so he's talking about exactly this is you know submerged there's all this land underwater but um that soundbite has been clipped down to by flint himself and others it's been clipped down to just there's no evidence for what for what he believes that graham's just walking around talking shit and it's funny that um again it's like these guys are trying to take and package this debunking as a almost as a as a product and they don't care if they're lying or not and you could take you could take all kinds of people out of context i don't know if you ever watched norm mcdonald's comedy at all but like he has this great bit where he talks about hitler's dog and he's like you know he's like well nobody's got cameras on him right okay and then he goes into about how that dog would run up to herman green go hey where's hitler where's hitler and green would say oh you know he's off doing some evil shit he'll be back and he's like well you're all right green but that adolf hitler was the best man who ever lived and things like and this is why i didn't want you to have phones because you clip that out and now it's and but that's that's exactly what they do in order to make their case and in this day and age of fucking clickbait one minute long tiktoks don't get watched all the way through and come on dude you can just tell people whatever the hell you want show them half a sentence okay uh-huh uh-huh right next right next right consume nothing get stupider next yeah yeah but it's easy to see like with the with the whole chain of transmission of the plato story it's very interesting right because like i agree with you like there's so many more myths flood myths that corroborate that that are run parallel to the atlanta story that seemed to be making a pretty strong connection to it the the the plato account of it is very interesting of like how long like there was like a thousand years ago and then years or something of oral transmission of that story allegedly before um somebody told it to the egyptian priestess who told it to solon and then another few hundred years before plato ever got it and then you have like every modern classical greek scholar who studies greek texts and studies people like plato and socrates and all these people they all say that like plato was a known liar and he was uh coming up with allegory allegorical stories and stuff like that like the cave and all that stuff and they want to argue that plato like was most likely just trying to use this as like an allegory for something yeah and i i think he was but um say for instance the allegory that i'm i'm trying to tell you the west is falling and i'm looking for an allegory do i invoke harry potter or do i invoke rome and why because one's real and one's not and i'm looking for an allegory right so in my mind it's very solid evidence that at least plato and his contemporaries believed that there was some lost civilization to a flood otherwise his story would have no teeth but i think that i do think they're right that plato does lie they need to be careful though because they they lump it all together plato had this noble lie he believed that it was good to lie to the plebs so that they had esprit de corps they believed that they were from the best city around um he didn't he wasn't known to the plebs he was known to the plebs he was known to the plebs for just going around making bullshit up he was he was he was known for specific lies, right? Calculated lies. So I think he even called himself like a liar. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's yeah. He was, uh, I don't have a problem with, like I say, certainly it was embellished. The fact that has Oric Alcum on the walls, which is like a bronze, uh, type of weird bronze copper alloy from back then. Um, that to me says it all. I think that's one of the reasons Socrates didn't like to write anything down, you know, because writing by its very nature can be so deceptive, especially when you're transmitting it across centuries. Oh yeah. Yeah. You just, how much context is lost. I mean, the transcript of this has me saying that Hitler was the best. So I'm fucked. Yeah. We're never going to know. We're never going to know the truth. No, I agree. We can scream at each other on microphones and on Twitter for the rest of our lives until we have the chips tapped into our brains and we're living in some sort of a fucking conversation. We already do, man. We already do. We can just beat the shit out of each other digitally. That was one episode of black mirrors where the dudes could go to square off in that game and then they start fucking their dude and chick in the game. But in real life, it's two dudes. You seen that one? No, I haven't. It's funny. They go in there and they're like, it's a real life fighting game. And then they start fucking. Oh my God. That's so weird. Fucking hilarious. Weird episode, man. That show was fucking weird, man. Yeah. That was a good show. Yeah. A lot of it's coming true already. Max Headroom. If you ever watched that one. No. Max Headroom was a TV show in the eighties. It was about, uh, in the future, uh, television owned TV corporations own everything. The government's there, but it's completely subservient to these television networks. They're all in a battle for ratings. And this one guy, Edison Carter, he's this reporter who's like a undercover reporter. He does all these, these groundbreaking corruption stories and the network he works for loves him because he gets good ratings, but they hate him because he's always snooping into their shit. So they download his brain and accidentally halfway kill him. He ends up surviving, but they put his brain in and make a digitized version of it to go talk to the people and stuff. So they don't lose their number one lead. And I just did that to a fruit fly, right? Right. You saw that right where the fruit flies running around the physics engine. Did you see that? Oh, wait, no. Fuck. Yeah, dude. Did you have, if you could pull that one up, it's where it's worth looking at. See if it's a video developed probably a minute or two long. It, they took a fruit fly's brain. They sliced it up like super tiny little things and they sequenced it and mapped it and put it into a computer. And like three years later, they digitize that completely and dumped it into, dumped that fruit fly with the brain into a physics engine. And it started walking around, looking for food, cleaning itself. Yeah. You get, you get, this was, this was something that's it's time blowing, but we're there now. And like I say, how recent was this? I think they just did this last year. This was super recent. Um, that's not the only thing max headroom predicted. Like they've got, uh, their, their guns have ammunition or have M 16, excuse me, their movies. Oh, there we go. Researchers. This is from UC Berkeley researchers simulate an entire fly brain on a laptop is the human brain next by digitally mapping the whole brain of a fruit fly. Scientists hope to gain insight into human brain disorders at Harmony bank. We believe that better happens together. We're a locally owned bank built on relationships and personally committed to your success. Our community bankers are ready to make quick decisions. No big bank bureaucracy, just a custom approach to help you thrive from business loans to mortgages and everyday banking needs. Harmony bank provides a secure modern experience with a touch of Texas hospitality. We're Harmony. Bank where better happens together. That's the fruit flies brain right there. Wow. Dude, a 3d rendering of all 139,000 neurons in the adult fruit fly October 2nd, 2024. So two years ago, a large team of scientists recently completed the assembly of a complete wiring diagram for the adult fruit fly brain. Oh my God, 50 million connections to 139,000 neurons in a computer. The simulation can run on a laptop and proved amazingly good at predicting how the real fly brain responds to stimuli and a paper published today in the journal nature, the same issue, uh, in which the fly brain's wiring diagram or, uh, what connectome is announced. She, uh, a former postdoctoral fellow at the university of California, Berkeley and his colleagues, uh, report that the computer model accurate accurately predicts the neurons that will be activated in the fly's brain when taste and touch sensors are stimulated. It's been unclear how the connections would be actually allow us to predict neural activity. Um, said she, who now works at the startup Eon that works on AI approaching models of connections. We now, now we and others have found that the connectome really does. Critically allow us to predict and understand how the brain works. Well, watch the video that this, this is, this is two years old. Yeah. They just, this last year put it there. Let's see how much this is. Yeah. They, they put it just this last year, put the whole thing into a physics engine. Wow. And oh, is there audio or no? No. No. Oh, okay. Yeah. If, uh, if you, could you, could you look up that fruit fly brain with physics engine attached to it? Cause or, or physics because, uh, but they, they put it in a physics engine and, and that was where it really like, oh, this is what popped up. Okay. Um, I got, I got some, uh, some papers. Yup. Um, is this it virtual fly brain? Uh, actually if you could find a, just a quick video, I think, to be honest with you, I think that video might've been it. What about that top video right there? I recognize it. Uh, how old is yeah, this. Okay. Yeah. There you go. That was 2026. Yeah. This one this year. Yeah. This is what, what date was it uploaded? Just achieved what no one thought possible. Two months ago, they took the entire brain of a living real, every single neuron, every connection, every microscopic pathway and uploaded it into a computer. Now imagine this digital brain, not as a static diagram sitting idly on a hard drive, but as a living active system, the moment it woke up inside the simulation, something astonishing occurred. The virtual fly began to sense react, and even move its tiny body in ways that mirror a real flies behavior. It was tasting, feeling, and responding almost as if the brain had truly come alive. Scientists watched with wide eyes and held breaths as the digital neurons fired in real time producing actions they had only ever observed in nature. And then to truly appreciate this breakthrough, we need to understand what made it possible and how scientists achieved it step by step. At the heart of this achievement is a concept called the connectome, essentially, the complete wiring diagram of a brain. Brains are made up of billions of neurons connected by trillions of synapses. Even in tiny animals, the pattern of connections, who connects to whom, how strong those connections are, and in which direction signals travel, determines how the brain processes information and generates behavior. To make this more relatable, imagine that every neuron is a person in a massive social network, and each synapse is a connection or friendship between them. The unique pattern of these friendships defines the entire personality, behavior, and capabilities of that network. Mapping this network completely, every neuron and every connection is what scientists call creating a connectome. It's like producing a detailed wiring diagram for the brain. For simple creatures like the tiny worm C. elegans, which has only 302 neurons, mapping the complete connectome was already accomplished decades ago. But for animals with more sophisticated behaviors, like a fruit fly, it has been an enormous, decades-long challenge. A fruit fly is about as small as a house fly, but easier to handle in laboratory conditions. Even so, its brain contains approximately 140,000 neurons and tens of millions of connections. Capturing all of these in detail is an extraordinary technical feat. To map the fly's brain, scientists used electron microscopes capable of producing ultra-high resolution images of very thin brain slices. These microscopes can reveal detailed bothers. When they put it into that physics engine, it walked around, they simulated dropping dust on it, and it cleaned itself. Like, it's functioning as a fly in that physics engine. That was where the difference between two years ago and now is they just just I guess just earlier this year even put it in that physics engine and that was where it went from being a mapped out brain that they could simulate little things with to just watching it be alive and there's a whole different level of holy that's so scary dude oh it's huge like I said you watch Max Headroom dude it's all about again it's all so fakes and duplicity and the there's a terrorist organization in one episode that that doesn't blow it blows up things that and films it for the I was gonna say the internet for the the TV networks and but they always blow up things that nobody are at they're just a fake terrorist organization it's the the whole thing is um the whole thing is way ahead of its time they've got a place where people go they store their parts of their brain and you hope that eventually a tech will get there so you donate money to this church and they've got their little face of your of your loved one that you can go see say a few words to it but you can't really talk to it but hopefully one day they'll get the tech and they don't have the tech they don't even do a good brain scan of your dead deceased relative but it's it's it's a scam the whole the whole show is is very dark very technologically scary and very money oriented very much about viewership and ratings are always battling over the ratings and that's like the big thing and it has to do with how much money there's floating it's it's it's a dark show that actually really like emulates a lot of what we see today if this is already public i can only imagine what the government's fucking doing there i'm sure they have like kamikaze bees already fucking drawn up that they're going to have invaded on the internet i don't know if they're going to have them on the internet i don't know if they're going to have them on the internet i don't know if they're going to have them on the internet in other countries probably that's they've probably got one of these physics engines where they drop jeffrey epstein and some random kid in there something to have a fucking nose dude yeah all the simulation theory fucks with me because as a skeptical guy it's like you know when they do the math on that you're just like okay fuck it's like if we could create a simulation where everything that lives in that simulation was like that fly i thought it was real um how many will we make you know and if the answer is two or better um the odds just went way down that this is a real world and not a fake one and so like when you start looking you're like oh we probably make a few billion you know we'd have some for a fortnight and we'd have some for else just like oh shit man yeah i guess the only thing about that is you can't prove it or disprove it and it ultimately doesn't matter it's one of the right the three fundamental things we have to agree on in order to have a meaningful conversation we both exist the universe exists and there's laws that we can that the universe adheres to we can 100 if we disagree on that maybe we're all just figments of my imagination man maybe maybe the world's a flea on the back of a dog yeah yeah yeah okay right fucking it's worthless connor well dude thank you for coming and doing this man this has been super fun dude this has been great i really appreciate it yeah man of course my pleasure and we gotta do it again i'd love to tell people uh about your youtube channel and all your stuff online my name is d dunking that's two d's like my ex but d-e-d-u-n-k-i-n-g um i'm on instagram and i'm on twitter um mostly on youtube and i talk a lot of times i'll hold the scientists to you know the scientists i'll hold them to account a lot of times i'm just talking about mysteries and looking into stuff i do a lot of talks nowadays i'm going to be again in uh in october i believe it's the 16th through 18th i'm in austin for the quest for ancient civilizations conference and that was that's been pretty fun there'll be a lot of people there and i'm going to be there for a long time and i'm going to be there for a long time and i'm going to be there for a long time and i'm not sure everybody yet we're trying to get more people on board but is graham doing that with you i don't think graham's ready yet because he's uh still finishing the book up okay um but i'm i know uh billy carson will probably be there uh david childress so as mentioned earlier was one of the elongated skulls guys from ancient aliens he's going to be there there's a few other people that are um mike collins will probably be there i'm not 100 but yeah the stuff may change back and forth a little bit um as far as the roster goes but uh we're trying to get more and more people to be there and i'm going to be there for a long time and i'm going to more people on board but it'll be fun those kinds of things are always enjoyable because uh i've learned that people that come to watch me at an event like that they're not they can watch me at home for free with no airfare sleep in their own bed and wear their underwear when they watch me instead they've come to talk to me really is the thing or me or other people there the people that came for me came to talk to me so i've been making myself way more accessible and spending time listening to theories whether they're batshit crazy or not and communicating if i've got a fan i'll sit down and check it out and i'll be there for you i think in this day and age that we're all so distant with the screen separating us we forget that it's all we're all real people here we're all we're all sasquatch taint to someone we're all oh yeah again i gotta say that one um i want to debate dave farina and i know that he's going to probably avoid doing so because he's a big pussy and he's afraid of me and i understand i wouldn't maybe he can team up with like flint and go two versus one or something yeah that would be great i don't think flint will ever ever ever debate me he's looked for so many ways out of every time and you know he he can call me all the names in the book but if i call him one back then he's you know and that's one of the things on twitter i should point out is that i worked construction for a long time man so if we're having a conversation everything's going chill that's cool but the minute you like change it into insults and stuff i'm like i don't got time for this and i'm not going to be like you're a mino shut up and go away i'm gonna talk to you like you're on a job site i love it bro me too thanks again yep we'll link all your stuff below awesome good night folks this episode sponsored by she's birdie you lock the hotel room door then check it again and maybe one more time because even the nicest room can feel unfamiliar at night that's why she's birdie created birdie box with she's birdie you can bring peace of mind with you birdie box is a portable travel door alarm for hotels dorms airbnbs and 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