#401 - “Epstein’s Classified VHS Tapes Would End Society” (It’s Worse Than You Think) | Ben Swann

[MUSIC] >> That's one, nice to meet you, bro. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you, too, man. >> John, this place, by the way, it's amazing in here. >> Thank you, dude. >> So, thank you. >> John, John Karyaku recommended I get you on, and talking about all your stuff. And I've been digging into your history, which is insane. >> A little bit. >> And how you've been vindicated over like with the last 10 years, with the drop of all these Epstein files, confirming everything that you lost your career over. >> Essentially, yeah. >> So, why don't you, like, lay it out for people? Like, how did this all start for you? >> Yeah, so, you know, I was a journalist, still am. For 25 years, I started out as a news photographer, working in local news, became an anchor, kind of worked my way up through the ranks, worked for Fox, CBS, NBC. So, you know, just kind of did that for years, and I ended up in Cincinnati, working for the Fox station there, and really started doing stuff that was a little bit outside of what normal local news is, which, by the way, is a horrible product who watches this garbage. And so, we kind of hit a sweet spot. We talked about things that other people wouldn't talk about. And this, you know, it's funny when you say that now, everybody does that, right? That's not a no big deal anymore, but that wasn't true even back in like in 2012. It was very hard to find that because, remember, a lot of this social media content was in its infancy in 2012. >> Yeah. >> You know, there was no Instagram video. Facebook didn't even have video in 2012, right? If you go back, Facebook video didn't start till 2015. So, this is still a new medium in terms of how people are getting information, right? Twitter didn't have video. Like, YouTube was the only place you could find it. We kind of blew up on YouTube because we would talk about, you know, things like the petro dollar on local news. And we would talk about things like blowback from the CIA and things that you weren't supposed to talk about in local news, so we did really well with that. And then I ended up going to Atlanta and just kept doing it, man, we were building this massive following online had the largest following of any journalist in the local news station online by a measure of 10. It was pretty incredible. And when I was in Atlanta, because I had such a huge online following, you know, about a million people at the time, which again was unheard of for what I was doing. They would weigh in on, I'm sure this happens to you all the time, topics they want you to cover, things that are happening. Well, in 2015, there was this, who specifically was weighing in on that? The audience. Okay, yeah, through Twitter and through Facebook at the time. So pretty stuff out. This is now we're getting to 2016. Facebook now has video on it, so we're doing, I think we did 150 million views in 2016 on Facebook. I mean, it was insane, the kind of coverage we were doing. And we were just doing everything, right? From wars to covering the election, you know, talking about what a disaster the war in the Middle East had been. Again, nobody would, in news was really doing this at the time. No one in politics was doing it, right? Until 2016, when Trump finally set it. Was there a political bet to the new station you're working for, like a political delineing or? Well, all new stations, I would say lean pretty left. Okay, right. And I don't think they even necessarily new stations, you mean? Yeah, okay. I don't think it's that they even mean to lean that way. I think it's just it's the culmination of people who are there. Right. All kind of share the same worldview. Right, right, I say. But even when you get like into Fox, you know, at one point, I was offered a position at Fox and I turned it down. Even that network, a lot of the people who work there are not Republicans and not even conservatives, right? A lot of them are Democrats and their liberals. They go to liberal colleges and they want a job in TV. So they end up working there. Right, right. So by 2016, there's this story on the internet. That's getting a lot of attention on Twitter at the time. And it was actually the number one trending topic on Twitter for almost a year. And that was this story called Pizzage. People started saying there's this crazy thing that's happening and kids are being, you know, basement of a pizza parlour in Washington, DC. Hillary Clinton's eating children, right? It was this crazy story. Yeah. And like there's no way any of this. I just say it away from it. Because in my mind, there's real things to talk about, right? Right. Like at the time, the Syrian civil war is blowing up and we're trying to overthrow Assad and there's like, you know, fake five year olds who are tweeting in perfect English to the United States. Please come help us send soldiers. And it's like, what is this? Right? Right. So I'm covering that kind of stuff and trying to expose that. But people keep pushing and pushing and pushing. So one night, I'm sitting there because I'm the anchor of that station as well, the prime time anchor. And so my co-anchor and I are sitting there one night and we're reading stories. And the way it works in local TV is so you're, you know, we're in Atlanta. That's the eighth largest TV market in the country. But we still take a lot of our news from the network that will send it down to us in what are called feeds. So they'll feed you down stories to cover that are already written. And then you also have a feed that comes from like the associated press, CNN, a lot of people are tied into something called CNN, news source and so CNN sends these pre-written stories to you. And it's kind of the big stories that they're covering. And by the way, they're always the gospel, right? You never even challenge anything that comes down from on high. So we're sitting there and one night we're reading a story about a guy who goes into Pete's parlor in DC with a shotgun. And he shoots up the place because of this conspiracy theory online that had gained traction. And so he had been, his mind had been twisted and warped by it, right? And so I'm reading the story and I'm like, oh, this is that story that everyone keeps talking about, right? So read about this guy. And then in our script that came down from CNN and then the next day it comes down from CBS also, the claim is, and you can go back and look it up. The claim is that Macedonian sheep farmers created the Pizzagate theory in order to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president. So we read this on the air and I'm like, this is crazier than the stuff people are telling me online, right? I did that. I'm like, how would a Macedonian sheep farmer concoct this theory and why would they concoct it? And how would they get all of Twitter talking about it, right? It was totally crazy. And so that was the theory that was kind of pushed out into the mainstream. And so at that point I was like, okay, I'll look into it. So I get online, start messaging out to just kind of blasting out on Twitter, I'm going to look at Pizzagate as crazy as it sounds, simply what you have. So people start sending information about it. And the first thing I find out is it's got nothing to do with Macedonian sheep farmers, right? You know, spoiler alert. Instead, the first thing you find out is, oh, these, these files come from John Podesta's emails, the WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks, right? So John Podesta, the claim is he left his phone in a cab in New York. Somebody got it. They saw who's, who it belonged to, passed it through, I don't know how many hands, ended it up in the hands of someone associated with WikiLeaks. And then they dumped 50,000 emails online, right? And remember, WikiLeaks doesn't do much anymore and no one really talks about them much anymore. But WikiLeaks at the time, they weren't ever editorializing anything, right? They just put out information. Right. So if they got any email, they didn't tell you what to think about the email. They just put it up online. They put the raw info out there. You read it for yourself. You decide. Yeah. What you think of it. Right. And so they had dumped these emails. Okay. And then I start finding out that, well, actually it's not, again, sheep farmers. It's a group of self-professed pedophiles on 4chan and 8chan at the time because people were on a lot of these chat rooms and this is where kind of pedophiles would go to communicate. With the first people to say, has anybody noticed that Jompidesta has an awful lot of emails using the language we use, which is using pizza-coded language? Huh. I'd never heard of this. I'd never heard of pizza being used as a code for anything, especially for job PDF files. PDF files. So they were, these kind of people were admitting this online. Yeah, but remember, these chat rooms, they're all anonymous, right? And so they're all sitting in this 4chan. Got it. And so they're anonymously talking to each other in these groups, which is where, even at the time, I mean, you could go back and look at local police departments or FBI. This is where they would go to try to find these rings to break them. Oh, really? This is where they congregate. Or at the time they would. Right. Right. Right. Right. Again, internet's changed a lot in 20 years, right? Years ago, it was like chat rooms and people would eye him each other. It's all, it's all changed so much. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. Very short amount of time. So then, you know, as a journalist, then I start looking at, okay, well then the next step is, is this true? Like, do pedophiles communicate with each other like this? So next thing I do is I get online, go into 4chan, go into 8chan, and start trying to communicate with these groups and saying, is this true? And they're all like, yeah, this is, this is how we talk to each other. By the way, how common is it for a local news anger like yourself to go this deep or something? Never happens. Never happens. Never happens. Who's going to do that? It sounds tough. No, maybe this does not happen. Right. Totally unique to this. Right. Because I was like fascinated by it. Right. So then the next thing I did was then I was like, okay, well, is there anything outside of the word of a pet? Not exactly the most credible people necessarily, but aside from the PDF files who are online, is there any way to verify this? And the funny thing was, I looked at the time, this isn't again, 2016. I find it an entry in Urban Dictionary from 2010, so from six years before, where if you looked up Cheese Pizza, it's stated at the time this was code language used by peters. Because it's an acronym. Cheese Pizza C-P, Ciao. C.P. So if they were trying to exchange Chauvincy, they would say, I have cheese pizza, who wants cheese pizza. That's how they would communicate with each other with an acronym. And then out of that acronym, there grew a series of other code words that were pizza-related. So like pizza slice, hot dog, all those other kinds of things. Pizza sauce, pasta, it's all related to that. But that's where the origin, the genesis of it, is the acronym C.P. Got it. Got it. Now, there are people to this day in 2026, shockingly, who still say, oh, that's not true. There's no proof of this. The funny thing is, even as recently as 2023, the FBI arrested a prolific sex offender, who was a child sex offender, and the way they caught him was online. They caught him using pizza language in order to communicate. And that was specifically how they tracked him. It's in the documents surrounding his arrest and his conviction. Really? Yeah. Is this the Dennis Haster guy? Dennis Haster is different than that. Yes. Dennis Haster, it was the speaker of the house. Okay. This is back in the late 80s, early 90s. Oh, wow. So third and most powerful person in Washington, years later, he was finally convicted of having when he was a wrestling coach in his previous life, brutally, dozens of boys who were in his programs. Jesus Christ. And the judge sentenced him. The judge said that they had, the judge said, I have never in my all of my career sentenced a more prolific and violent sex offender than Dennis Haster. I nearly did. I nearly did how much time? Oh, it was very short amount of time. 18 months, I think it was very short of my war. Yeah. That's fucking insane. He was very old and decrepit at the time. But you have to think if you abuse that many boys, that violently, that many years before, you don't just turn it off. Right. Right. You don't just stop. So that's kind of how we got into the, got into the story and then kept digging into it and, you know, found a lot of stuff. We put together this report. Yeah. We ran the report. I ran it all, you know, all the way up to the chain of the station that I was at, you know, my news director ran it, agreed with it. Like really? Yeah. And we actually were very gentle with it in that there's a lot of imagery associated with that pizza plays imagery that was from the Instagram page of the guy who owned it, the guy who owned it, James Elefantis. You know, there's no evidence that he's done anything to anyone, but he had a lot of like very weird, questionable, seemingly perverse photographs on his Instagram, little girl with a wrist tape with a tape, everything like that. Yeah. What was the deal with the pizza place though? Because the story was this shit happened in the basement. But the place didn't even have a basement, right? That's what they say. Is there proof of that? Like, didn't somebody go in there? Well, the guy went in with the gun. And I think there are people who have tried. I mean, after that, like, people, yeah, I think there are people who have tried to, right? I think there are people who have tried to what I will, what I will break on your show is that since the Epstein stuff, since we've kind of been vindicated through all this, I've had a lot of people who have come to me and said, you were right 10 years ago, 10 years ago, I was too afraid to say something, but I'm going to show you this, this, this. And what I will tell you is there is a basement in the pizza parlour. Really? Yep. You have images to prove it. Yep, fucking way. So we're putting, we're putting that together in the form of a full film that we'll be releasing soon. But it blew my mind because I didn't believe there was. I thought this was just, you know, it became part of the conspiracy because the thing is whether there's a basement or not, right? The concept of Pizzagate is still true. There are powerful people who ritualistically and systematically abuse small children, right? And a lot of those people are around the largest centers of power in this country, right? Whether they be the tech centers, the political centers, the financial centers, that's where they are. That regardless of this one pizza place is true, but it turns out the other parts true as well. I love the morning ritual of coffee, the smell, the warm mug and the whole routine. 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But for internal use, there are certain symbols that they use within these communities to communicate their preferences because there's lots of different kinds of preferences. And one of them is a symbol for boy love or boy lover. And it is a triangle within triangles that goes all the way around. In the story, you can see it very clearly. Well, that pizza place under the name Best of Pizza had that in their logo. It was turned sideways, but it's the same symbol. Now, you can say, "Well, maybe he just likes the triangle and didn't realize what it was." Are you proud of the keys? These logos are the symbols. And then the other thing that happens. Yep, that's it in the middle. So the logo for boy lover, and then you see the way they built out the symbol, they put some cheese on it and some dots. And then that's the final one they changed to on the very right without they removed the centerpiece. But what's also interesting about this and see if you can probably find this too, and if you go to my original story, the image is in there. So that alone doesn't mean anything, right? It could be coincidental. However, the guy who owned the place had all these indie bands who would come in and they had a really weird name. Sex stains was one of them. I can't remember what the second one was. Right. But those bands, one of them had a music video and a lot of their music was about, but they had a music video in which the drummer on the front of their drum set has that boy lover symbol. What? It's colored, not like the pizza logo, colored like the FBI version. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, this idea, and again, you know, I'm not here to claim anything about the guy specifically who owns it. I have no evidence that he's done anything to anyone. So I don't want to claim that he has. What I'm saying, though, is that there is, there are a lot of questions that were around the story. So my original story was simply to say this, why hasn't this actually been investigated by anyone with power to investigate it? Why is it only online people who are talking about it? Or one of the things that stood out to me about the guy who owned the place is that he had been named in 2013 or 2014, I think maybe 2015. GQ magazine had named him one of the 50 most powerful people in Washington, DC, a pizza shop owner in some strip mall in DC. It's like DC has a hundred senators. It has the president and his cabinet, right? The whole administration. It has the Supreme Court. It has 435 members of Congress of this guy's name, James Alifantes. James Alifantes. See if you can find that. GQ, GQ, type in GQ, James Alifantes, see where you can find it. If it's been scrubbed, if it has been scrubbed, it's also in the original story of the image of it. So when you brought all this to the higher ups at the news channel, they were like, cool, let's do it. Yeah, I remember I asked the guy because it took so many weeks after that guy had walked in with his gun. It took so many weeks to put this together and really investigate it. By the time I took to him, I said to him, so it's ready to go. My only question is, do you still want to run it? Because it's been so many weeks. If he ran through the story and he said, I don't see why we wouldn't run it. You're the only one who's talking about this. It's all here. There's nothing you can look at. I would argue that you could look at that story and say, well, that's not true. Like everything we pointed out was true. Now, some people could say, well, maybe you're connecting things that you don't have the right to connect. Maybe. So challenge it. Right. Tell me where it's wrong. Right. But again, our point was that in even today, like I interview Michael Tracy, who's a very smart guy on Substack. He's a good journalist, but he's kind of a contrarian. Yes. For the sake of it. There you go. This is him. Yeah. Oh my God. He's number 49 of the top 50 most influential people in Washington. That is a power not influential. It's powerful. Oh, powerful. Yes. Jesus Christ, dude. And you own a single pizza shop. So it wasn't it was just one off. Yeah, it's not a chain, it's his own place. And the reason he got dragged into the whole thing is because he's all over Podesta's emails, communicating with Podesta about pizza. So that's how people traced it to him specifically. That's why he got dragged into it. And then the whole thing about Podesta's brother and his house with all those paintings and all that creepy-ass artwork that he has in his house, it just adds a whole 'nother layer to this thing. What the fuck are these people really doing? It does add another layer. And I think when you, again, it's so interesting because the sourcing for that isn't some internet sleuth who was like, who I found out what he's got. Tony Podesta has in his house. Tony Podesta had, I believe it was from the Washington Post, had some lifetime editor who years before had walked through his house to show off all of his artworks. He's dragging about it. Yeah, and there, it's a glowing piece written about his kind of risque artwork 'cause like little girls lined up bare-bottomed with their acid red when they've been spanked, they've been disciplined. He had, there it is, Jeffrey Dahmer. That's the pose of how Jeffrey Dahmer left some of his victims. Really? Yeah, that's what that piece of art is. The headless body twisted like that. Hanging in his foyer, and that is the, the way Jeffrey Dahmer left some of his stuff. And he's posing in front of it like this. Yeah, there's way sicker shit than this, too. There's like weird shit with like kids all lined up, like chain together and stuff. It's very, very perverse stuff. And by the way, I would argue, this is something else we're working on as part of this new film we're gonna put together. There is a, there is a, look at that one. The thing with the big long like sloth hands. Yeah, look at that. You. Is that his place? Is that in his place? I don't know if that's in his place or not. Yeah, that's pretty weird. But there's, there is a correlation I would argue between what these, I don't wanna say these, right? And when I get sued, between what child, these child ritualistic predators do and cannibalism. There is definitely a correlation between those two worlds. And the reason I say that is, like, again, if you go into like, what Podesta has there? Like, why would Tony Podesta have artwork that celebrates the victims of a cannibal? John Podesta, his brother, whose emails were leaked in his campaign office, and you can look this one up too. In his campaign office for Hillary Clinton, when he was working for her as a chief of staff, he has a painting of a doctor eating one of his patients. And so there's a lot of like cannibalistic stuff there. And I think when you start to dig in on the Epstein stuff, so Epstein's a complicated story because you, I keep describing it to people like this. From what I can understand, it's like a series of rings, right? The widest ring is like just 'cause you're in one of Jeffrey Epstein's emails doesn't mean you're even-- Yeah, that's a great way to put it. That's a great way to put it. That's a lot of people in there. Because that was his job. Part of what he did as an intelligence ass said, is he's just gonna connect with many people. I've talked to lots of scientists that have done just one off Zoom calls with the guy. Just 'cause he was interested in whenever they were looking at it. And they knew like, why wouldn't I do this? This guy's funded all of my smartest people I know. You know what I mean? Absolutely. He was a-- What are you looking for? Oh, the doctor photo? Type in, type in. Yeah, that was in the Tony Podesta home. Those are the girls who-- He said it was a doctor eating patient. Type that out. Yeah. And that was also a write-up that was done, I think by the Washington Post about his-- Is it on the clown? No. No. I would recognize it if I saw it. Yeah. Keep looking Steve, you'll find it. See, some of this stuff gets scrubbed. And that's what's interesting to do with a lot of those stuff. Yeah, a lot of those curates this shit, dude. Big time. When you find stuff along the way. I've tried to save as much as I can because that stuff disappears in a very odd way. It does. It really does. The ringing allergy. Yeah. It's great. So that widest ring, there's lots of people. And you're absolutely right, too. When you're as wealthy as Jeffrey Epstein is and you can fund a lot of stuff, why wouldn't people talk to him, especially when they don't know? Exactly. So you have that wider ring. Then you had us-- And this is a pretty crude analogy because obviously you're trying to draw lines without really understanding the lines. But I would say the next ring up is-- Okay, there are people who, hey, maybe we go a little bit deeper. I'm into some weird stuff like cloning and I want human experimentation. And let's do gene modification and sperm modification. You've got to be a little more twisted to start moving towards that world. Yes. Then you get into a ring of people that I would say is, hey, by the way, we have some fun on our island. You know, if you like girls, I'm not a lot of kids. I'm talking about girls who are like 17. They're barely where they're not supposed to be. Or maybe they're 18 or maybe they're 19. And you get there and you don't even know the girls like 17 instead of 19. Right. Because that's also part of the 125 and you would never know. And that's part of the game. Yes, 100%. And we don't know who fits in what circle either. We have no idea. By the limited hangout of the emails that we've gotten because we have, you know, for example, Elon Musk could be totally fucking innocent. But we have emails of him going back and forth with Epstein about wanting to go to the island. We have no proof that he ever went. Does it seem like he went? Right. But like, there's a huge gap there in our knowledge of who fits in what part of that circle. And then we know that like the, the commerce secretary, Howard Lenick, right. We know that he lied in combat. He went to the island. Fucking liar. He took his kids to the island. Yeah. But we don't know he did anything on the island. Right. We didn't know he fucking lying. But we lied about it. Right. Exactly. So that becomes a bigger problem. The bigger problem is that if you did nothing wrong, why'd you lie? Why'd you pretend that you never, you were never. And why the fuck does he still have a job? That's my question. Yeah. How's it like I still have a fucking commerce actor when he lived 10 steps away from Jeffrey Epstein and lied to fuck everybody in the most condescending theatrical way on that stupid podcast. Remember that thing? It was called pod save America or whatever. Yeah. That's what it was. Yeah. Anyways. So then you have that circle. And there's a circle of men I think were brought there. And they were supposed to be hunting trapped, right? Yes. That's a whole point of it. Right. But then you have that kind of darkest circle, which is the very top one, right. Which is the, so for very select people, there is a ritualistic. Abusive element that's focused on very young small children. In some cases, kids as small as infants or babies. And it also seems to be tied into kind of a satanic belief. So there's like a satanic element to that. It's ritualistic. And it's very focused on very young children. And it absolutely exists. It is absolutely within every power structure it seems like. And there are people who are in those circles who are running around with lots of other powerful people who have no idea that they're in it. Right. So I think where we, where people make the mistake as you think, well, it's like it's like the illuminati, right? The people at the very, very top. They're all in on it. No, they're not all in on it. There's a very select group of people who are in on it. And those people believe they are deriving power from this. They think it's giving them power over everyone else. Where does this derive from? Where does this come from, this belief? I think a lot of it comes from kind of a satanic. A lot of people are now more familiar with this bellworship or a bellworship. That comes out of Canaanite and Hebrew theology. Yeah. I think it's related to that. But I think it's really just more of kind of like this satanic belief. And there's also a belief within those circles that there is, there is absolutely a God and there is a devil. And they absolutely believe in heaven and hell. But where they seem to have a very different view when we think of heaven and hell versus how they view it, they view hell as a place that has hierarchy. And so they're not afraid of hell. They believe that if they are, they are sentenced to hell that they will rule hell. That they'll be the elites within that society as well. That is part of that belief system. It's just really hard for me to fathom how anyone could fall into that and believe something like that, you know, just from my perspective. And I always wonder, is that does all this crazy shit just come with the territory of being like a super billionaire who has leverage? And is that like the very top tier of society? And can basically you know you can get away with anything you want and just you have the entire world at your disposal? Because it kind of goes back in history. It goes pretty far back in history down to like the Greco-Roman period. And like the Roman Emperor is doing very similar shit. Yeah, I think it's a very old spiritual problem. Yeah. I think it is a religious problem that is older than what we call religion today. I think it transcends every generation. But I think there is a, and I believe that there are very real, like there is very real spiritual darkness in this world. And I think these people tap into it. And I think it's some of what pulls them deeper and deeper into this stuff. Because you have to think about, it's one thing to kind of have weird or perverse. But when you're talking about things that involve, you know, children and babies, like where does someone find that inside them? And then where does someone find it inside them to do this repeatedly? The other thing that I think is fascinating as I've viewed this world trying to understand it and trying to piece together who's connected and where is that we have a tendency, I think, to think about child predators especially, as like the lone weirdo in a basement someplace, right? And they're sending files to somebody over here. Somebody, it was a comedian, and he was just, he was making a joke, but he said, what's the deal with, like, it sounds like Jerry's life, oh, what's the deal? What's the deal with, like, Epstein writing to everyone. It's like, dear billionaire friend, which you like to come to my island and ask children and they're like, oh, Jeffrey, it sounds like a wonderful time. I'll bring someone, someone, so on and so on and so forth, share this information. And they're incriminating themselves. Yeah. Why do it this way? Well, in part, because part of Jeffrey Epstein's job was to incriminate. It was to, it was to get you to admit certain things. But the other thing is, is that there is, again, there's a belief within this where at a certain level, they believe they have to involve other people with this. So they at least at this highest circle, they do not believe like they're operating independently because this is like their own like weird fetish and I have this thing and I'm so ashamed of it. They're ashamed of it at all. They're actually very proud of it. And so they try to bring in other people and they brag to each other. They brag about the age of the kid and they brag about what the child looked like. They brag about whether the child was terrified when certain things were happening. They describe this stuff in detail and almost to the point of trying to compete with each other. And so I think it's, if you're a normal person who doesn't ever have any inclination towards this world, it's so foreign that it's almost impossible to understand like what they're doing. It really is. It really is. But those emails do seem to corroborate a lot of the original things that came out in the PTA stuff. Absolutely. Absolutely. 111 times, Jeffrey Epstein is writing to people about pizza. And not one time is it actually have, any of those emails have to do with an actual name of a pizza restaurant or pizza receipt or a specific order for pizza. Never. It's, it's conversations with people that's clearly when you read them, it's coded language. It's very clear that it's coded language. Yeah. And that there was one specifically on, I know, I know that J-Mail, a lot of us have been pulled back on that, like they had, originally we had access to all of it, I think, and then they pulled the DOJ somehow like, redacted more of it or somehow just, they started behind the scene. They started deleting them. So the J-Mail wouldn't have access to them or whatever. But I remember one specifically where one of the girls was emailing another girl, it's like, oh my god, great news. I hope you're sitting down or whatever, Jeffrey wants to have pizza with you and blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what this means, winky face, winky face, literally says, I know you know what this means. Yes. If someone, if I send you an email and say, hey, I want to have pizza with you, I wouldn't have to follow it with, I know you know what this means, because I would think you would know what it means. Right. Pizza. These days, everyone's talking about functional mushrooms, like lion's mane, cordyceps, and Rishi. And recently, I went down a rabbit hole of one of the weirdest and most historically fascinating ones on earth. What you've seen it before is the iconic red one with the white spots. And that's actually how I found Omantara. If you've looked into this space at all, you know there's a ton of sketchy products out there. What stood out to me about Omantara is how transparent they are. 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So the next day came into work. The story blew up overnight, I think we had three million views in like eight hours on it. And again, today that would be even easier to do. It was a lot harder to do that in 2016. Come in the next day and they're freaking out. We're pulling the story down. We got to take it down. What's happened? The network CBS network was calling and freaking out. Podesta's were calling. They're lawyers. We're calling. Yeah. Why would you guys put this on the air? How could you allow this to be out there? And so, you know, so the first accusation was that I had gone rogue and done this on my own. Nope. Here's the sign off from all these people. Everybody knew this story was coming. Like we did. Oh, and then, well, and at the time I was running an independent project at the same time that I've been doing for about, I'm still doing it. So at the time, it had been six years. It's called the Truth and Media Project. So while I was working for CBS, I also had this independent work that was going on. And so then they jumped to that, well, well, you're not supposed to do this or this or this or this. And I'm like, nope, in my contract, I can do, I showed them everything. So basically they said, all right, here's the deal. So either we're going to give you an option. We're going to fire you and you can sue us and that'll take you forever to deal with that. Or you can stay here working for us, but you have to turn off all your social media. And I thought it was a bizarre request. Like, so no Facebook, no YouTube, no X or Twitter, right, none of it got turned it all off, go dark, complete. So I was like, well, I had five kids and a wife and I was like, okay, right, what's the point of even saying no to that? So I can do what? So we turned everything off. It was off for a year and I continue to be their anchor. So a lot of people thought I was dead. Oh my God. I knew it. I knew it. What happened? They killed him. No, I was still sitting on the nightly news in Atlanta every night, you know, four, five, six and 10 and my face was still on billboards in Atlanta. But the online world, it was like, he just gone. That's so crazy. Yeah. So I did that for a year and then I had a chance through in 2018 because crypto had done so well. I had some guys who were fans who were part of a crypto project that had a marketing budget and they said, hey, you want to bring back the stuff you were doing independently? And we can we'll sponsor it and I said, yeah, let's do it. So we're back after a year and said to my bosses, so you guys have been in violation of my contract for a year. So I'm starting to do this stuff again, turn it back on. This is the day I'm turning it back on. And they were like, okay, we'll think about it. And I walked out. They called your fire. Wow. Okay. So that was my that was my last stint in local last stint working for corporate media and just have done everything independent since. Yeah, man, the attacks that people would get for covering this kind of stuff, it created this huge barrier between people where it's like, if you get anywhere close to even considering any of that crazy shit like pizza gate, QAnon, any of that crap, it was just radioactive. Right. And it and it wasn't that long ago, right, 10 years ago, roughly. And today it's just like the norm. Like, this kind of stuff is no big deal. Like if Israel launched a nuke tomorrow, a UFO stopped it, like, no, okay, watch for dinner. Yeah. Like, what is that? Right. And I think what that is, honestly, is that well, first of all, at the time in 2016, again, so this was just the beginning of the attempted censorship model for social. So a couple of things that happened to me that were very interesting was one, making me take all my stuff down. Which told me it was such a shit, yeah, I was like, so this is even before Alex Jones got pulled from anything. Right. This happens to me. It wasn't until two years later that Alex Jones was actually forced off of YouTube. So at that moment, I was like, okay, so there's something so powerful about what's happening with social and online communities, that's what they're scared of because they don't care if you're sitting on TV every night, right? They don't have any problem with that. Well, of course, they don't because nobody watches freaking local TV anyways. There's no influence. But online was where the influence was. The other thing that happened was, what is this? I think I found that. Oh, that's it. Is that the top left? Yes. So it's called fine. What is this? Is this like a screen shot or something? This is on Twitter. Oh my God. What the fuck, dude? Goats carrying cages with like baby dolls in there? Look at the top one up here with the children on the table. Oh my God. So everything is these faceless. So there's a lot of these, these kind of like faceless images and then like the little kids. There's a lot of those. You probably came across them with the on the beds and stuff, right? Yeah, there's stuff where they're on beds and there's an adult up on top of one of kids, other kids are standing around the bed watching. It's, I mean, this is what they call art. An oil painting on loan from his brother Tony shows two men holding knives and forks leaning over a dining room table where a man in a suit lay, when asked about the paintings by Time Magazine, John said, "It's better to be a guy with a fork than a guy on the table." And it isn't a painting depicting surgery, it's depicting cannibalism. Fucking crazy. Yeah. I mean, there's a twisted, there's a twisted, twisted part of this. The other thing is there's a woman named, and you will find a lot of her stuff, you probably already seen it as you're going through that stuff, named Marina Abramovich, who is a performance artist. This is going to be, by the way, great for your Patreon channel. Yeah. So much of this is going to have to get bleeped out. Yeah, yeah. For people on YouTube, I'm very, very sorry. There's going to be lots of bleeps or muted areas of this podcast, but the full unedited version will be on Patreon. There you go. You need to go there to hear all this stuff. Yeah. So she is a performance artist, and one of the things she does is something called spirit cooking. Have you heard of this? No. So spirit cooking is performance art using blood and semen, and you were drinking both blood and semen as part of this. It's spirit cooking. You're making this little mix. She does a lot of this stuff. A lot of her performance art involves images of children or depictions of children, sexual abuse themes run through almost everything she does, sexual abuse for adults as well. And then, like I said, a lot of the spirit cooking stuff. So there's a lot of these spirit cooking conversations with John Podesta in the emails where she's inviting him to another spirit cooking event and come to this thing. What? Yeah, there's a lot of it. And so she's heavily tied into this as far as kind of representing, I think, for a lot of people that kind of satanic element, right? So her name goes away. And then it's so interesting because there is a direct connection all the way back into the Epstein stuff, which is that so Epstein was very close to the little dictator over in Ukraine, Zelensky. They were very close. Really? Yeah. There's a bunch of emails between the two of them. They had lunch together multiple times. Epstein was very involved in Ukraine since 2014. He was very excited about the US Lake Kuh there, wrote an email describing it as being very, very good for us and saying there were many, many possibilities that would take place because of the destabilization of Ukraine. And the fact that the US overthrew the leader there and installed their own guy when Zelensky was running. He likes Zelensky. He wrote an email to someone basically saying Zelensky was an idiot and doesn't know anything. But that's why he would be easy to manipulate. Right. And then they had a lot of meetings together. Well, flash forward all the way to 2023, the war is going on between Russia and Ukraine. And while that war is going on, Zelensky invites performance artist Marina Abramovich to come to Ukraine and to become an ambassador, not to Ukraine, an ambassador for Ukraine. And she's not even Ukrainian. She's Romanian. But he wanted her to come and be an ambassador for Ukraine. And you can't make this stuff up. Her specific area would be to be the ambassador for the children who were orphaned by this war. The spirit cooking artist who's all over the piece of gay emails, who's all over this stuff talking about, you know, and by the way cannibalism is a huge part of her performance art too. There's pictures of her and Lady Gaga at some event where they have like a human body. Yep, there it is. Line in this thing and they're eating off of it. What? This is her. The Abramovich girl did this. So yeah, so Abramovich is the one with the spoon and mouth next to Lady Gaga. What the fuck on the right? If you want to see this, we'll link it below for people. But this is insane. It's insane. Oh my god. This is her artwork. Yep. Keep going down. Yeah, we can't show this or else we'll get this shit nuked off YouTube. Wow. I don't understand it. And you know, what is really frustrating also is when you see Hillary Clinton getting deposed in that recent deposition where they're questioning her about this stuff. And they're like, so we're going to ask you a lot of questions about some stuff. Like pizza gate. And she's like in this condescending tone. Like, yes, I know you are. You guys are very weird for doing this. Like trying to like, you know, play this weird psychological game with them as if like, it's, it's the media's fault for being so crazy trying to ask her about these questions when, you know, it's her and these people in power that are like quite obviously guilty of something. I don't know what. But like, correct. There's, there's so much smoke. Where's the fire? You know, there definitely is a fire somewhere. Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, when she was deposed about it, and they asked her, what was her belief about it? She said, it's a disgusting theory that's been debunked. Right. Right. John Pinesis says it all the time too. It's debunked. They love that word. By who? Who debunked it? Exactly. And what part of it was debunked? What specifically was the problem is all these people are fucking lawyers. And they're just, they're just good at like using words in a way. There's like that guy Todd Blanche did the other day with the Epstein stuff. They're, they're questioning about the Epstein files. Like, what do you mean by the Epstein files? Can you define the Epstein files? And he's like, I sent you a video this their day. And it's like, it's just so infuriating how these people are so slick and have this way of just obfuscating the question and getting around it and not answering it. They're just like, they're, it's just because they're so good at manipulating language. Yeah. I mean, it's just so blatantly obvious what you're doing. Well, it's like, he goes all the way back to Bill Clinton. Remember, yeah, he said, it depends on what the definition of is is. Yes. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Play this, play this clip. Steve, tell these on here. I want to go on to the Epstein investigation. Is it closed or open? When you say the Epstein investigation, what are you referring to some day? Well, the FBI said in last year in July that it had closed the Epstein investigation. So I'm just using their words, is it open or closed? I don't believe the FBI said that. Well, if you're referring to your head of the Department of Justice, is the Epstein investigation open or closed? But I guess I don't understand what Epstein investigation means. I want to go on to the Epstein. I don't know what the Epstein investigation means. What is it? Actually, fair question. Yeah. What is the Epstein investigation? Because we haven't even investigated anything at this point. Yeah. I just, I think it's crazy that it's legal. It's crazy that it's legal for people to run for public office on one thing and then once they get in, completely do a 180. I feel like a lot of people feel betrayed by the Trump administration because he came in and his whole idea, just 30,000 foot idea, was to end corruption. It was drain the swamp, right? Yep. And it was to prosecute all the crimes of people that did, you know, insider trading, whatever it may be, just corruption in general, secrecy. And it's just the complete fucking opposite. It is. It is. It is the swamp. And that's why I feel like, you know, I feel a lot, not just me. I have a lot of people really feel betrayed. Oh, yeah. By all this. Yeah. I just, I just came down from Kentucky. I spent really covering the Thomas Massey primary, interviewed Massey on Monday day before. And then was, was that his event? And you know, the guy he was writing against his Ed Gowering, it was just a, who is it? He's a joke. No, it's a refuse to debate. Eight debates. He refused to debate even one time. Didn't do events. It was, it was just like Biden in 2020 when he's, he basically hidden the basement the whole time. That's what this guy did. He just hid in the basement. He didn't do anything. He's a horrible candidate. Massey made an interesting comment about him. He said, he said, Ed Gowering is the first person I've ever heard. He said, most people will get into office. Like you just said, and they do a 180 what they said they would do. He said, Ed Gowering is the first guy who's running for office saying, I won't do anything. I'll just do what I'm told. He's not making any campaign promises. Well, he made one promise. What was that to bring back the draft? Yeah. He is talking about that. Isn't he? That's the one. That's the one thing I heard. It's crazy is that. How I don't understand how this, it does feel like the 2020 thing when Biden was in the basement. This guy did nothing. Nothing. And I think Massey's won every single time that he has won. It's been by like 70 to 80%. Yep. And it was, you know, there's a lot of people saying online whether or not it was, you know, they were mail-in ballots that came in and there's all these. I don't know if it's true or not. I will tell you just being on the ground there. All the enthusiasm was for Massey. However, when I would talk to people who were door knockers, they were not terribly confident. They said this is going to be tight because they said there are these boomers who sit in their house with Fox News running on their TV all day long. And they, and they'll just, and they'll say, I'm not voting for him. He's a terrible guy. He's a Democrat. And they're like, this guy's been your Congressman for 10 years, 12 years. He's funded by geodists. Yeah. Yeah. He's taking money for me wrong in Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Chinese are funding and I can't talk in Congressman. Yeah. Meanwhile, they're always going to accuse me. you of the thing they're doing, right? Israel is running this thing with $20 million, $25 million, $30, however much it ends up being at the end of it. And it's three billionaires, three billionaires, basically were the ones who did all of the funding. I just saw some crazy thing the other day where they were claiming that Massey was taking all of his money from superpacks. Massey's money did not come from superpacks. Massey's money came from people donating $50 at a time and he raised 15 million in that race. And when I, when we were at his, his concession speech, right, and I'm standing there and people are, oh, you were there in the crowd. Yeah. They're going nuts. I've never seen a concession speech with that much enthusiasm. And they're just, and they're chanting out in 2028, they're chanting president, run for president. I think he's actually going to run. I think that based on what's happened with this race, it's, it's so funny because Trump in 2020, Democrats spent the next four years just trying to wipe him off the face of the earth to make sure he would have no chance to run again. They actually made him a martyr. They made him sympathetic. Had us try, Santa Fe. They made people like him, right? Maybe I didn't like him before, but now like you keep trying to destroy this guy and try to bury him, you try to kill him. So you get, you start winning over people, we're saying, if they hate you that much, there must be something to you. Right. I feel like the exact same thing is happening right now with Thomas Massey. Yeah. And I don't understand how the people that are funding the other guy, whatever his name is. Yeah. What's his name? How they can't foresee what the, what the third level domino effect of this is going to be and how people, especially young people are going to react to this and how it's going to propel him even farther and it's going to have a huge strison effect where people are just going to resent, you know, the idea of a foreign lobby influencing America and they're becoming more aware of like all this bullshit with Israel and fucking these fighting these stupid wars and bringing us into, you know, Iran and the whole Gaza thing and all that. And yeah, I just, I don't understand it. I don't understand how they could be so short-sighted as to where this will play out in the next three years. Well, part of the problem is that all the billionaires who were funding it are very, very old. So they don't really care what it looks like. Right. However, it is, it's ironic because everything Trump touches, he elevates, right? Whether you like Trump or don't like him, he just has that effect. And that includes bashing somebody. So the more he has bashed Thomas Massey, the more famous he has made him. He's actually elevated his profile. You want to, you want to weaken Thomas Massey? You want to keep him so that he doesn't have an effect. He shouldn't have bothered him at all. When him run his little Piddly Rays and Kentucky's fourth congressional district, and yeah, you got this one annoying guy in Congress who keeps making noise. But you got 434 others that you can just basically override everything he's doing anyways. So do that. And instead, they just want to go after this one guy to make an example of him. And I'm telling you, man, they have raised his profile to the point where Thomas Massey, I've known him since 2012 when I was working in Cincinnati. And when he ran the first time, I interviewed him before, he got elected. I interviewed him afterwards. I love the guy. I think he is like totally legit stuff. He says he's going to do. He's been doing this stuff for 14 years. He's exactly the same. You know, I told him when I saw him, though, I said, you got a little older. I said, man, you got to glow up because he was like, had this like curly hair in the glasses. Oh, yeah, yeah. He looked like he before you. Yeah. He somebody, somebody says Thomas Massey went from being Harry Potter to Robert E. Lee. It's so true. He's got the the trim beard now. Yeah. He looks fantastic. His wife's got him looking good. He said she picked off this jacket and she's doing good. Yeah. Yeah. Give him give him 12 more months. He's going to be jacked, dude. He's going to give him some money. He just give him a few tattoos. He just started riding Harley. Well, you know, he's got seven months in office. Seven months left, right? Yeah. Because even though, you know, he was defeated, no, not really because he's got seven months where he pointed out that it was the day of the election was six months to the day of the Epstein transparency, Files Transparency Act. He's like, and he listed all the different people from, you know, the world economic forum to Prince Andrew, to the different ambassadors who have all been fired or arrested since the Epstein Files came up. Yeah. And he says, and that was in six months, I still have seven to go, right? But I believe that what Thomas Massey is recognizing is he's inheriting a sizable portion of that mega coalition. Now, if you listen to a lot of these online influencers, they're going to tell you, oh, mega's fine. Mega's not fine. The mega as it stands today is a boomer party is what it's become. You've lost the independence. You've lost the young men who turned out to vote all those podcast listeners who listened to shows like yours who said, I'm going to give this guy shot, right, who don't even vote. You've lost them. You've lost the maha, the, the make America healthy again, moms. That was a big part of that coalition. You've lost the libertarians. That was a huge part of your coalition because they finally voted for Trump saying no more wars. At least they'll give us that. Right. Didn't give you that. Right. Right. I would say at least a third of that coalition has no place to go. And they have now adopted Thomas Massey as their unofficial leader and they're moving to him. Yeah. Totally. Totally. And how do you go from, like again, like back to what I was saying, how, how do you have like a real country when you can literally become the leader by saying, for example, I'm going to release all the Epstein files. And then when you get into saying, if you say, if you want to talk about Epstein, you're not MAGA. You're not MAGA. Whatever. Yeah. You're probably getting us to talk about anything except for Epstein, right? And the one guy who is won't shut up about Epstein and who wants to get all the Epstein files out and get them all transparent. Yep. That's the guy we're going to focus on. We're going to fucking take him out. But again, the only way you're going to resolve that is you've got to get somebody who's willing to run and say, I will do this. And you've got to be able to believe they will. Yeah. This is that now we're seeing, because you know, it was interesting prior to 2024, everyone on the right said release the Epstein files. Yes. Now the most bipartisan story of my lifetime. Yeah. And now you have all these people on the right who are like, oh, there's nothing to the story. Laura Lumer just put out a thing saying it's a hoax. I saw it. I saw it. What part is a hoax? 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We know from documented pictures and the original case that was made against him in Palm Beach all the way back in 2008, 2006, I think, 2006, that Jeffrey Epstein, because his homes were rated, had in every single one of his homes, and again, we're flashing back in time 20 years, this is not a common thing. He had a media room in every single one of his homes filled with, and they're not flat screen TVs back then, they're like those fat tube TVs and they're mounted on the walls and he's got monitors everywhere and he's got cameras wired in every single room in his house. Again, 20, 26, most people have cameras all over their house if they want to have them, right? They're all connected by blue screens. My grandma's got a ring doorbell, yeah, everyone has that stuff now. 20 years ago, nobody has that, because that requires actually running wire through the entire house. Right, right, right. We also know that Epstein has storage units hidden all around the country, yes. What's in the storage units? You know what's in the storage units, it's all evidence, because you don't have cameras set up all over your house that are recording, by the way, on to tape because 20 years ago, and even before that 30 years ago, how long was he doing this? You're not recording on anything digital. These are recorded onto VHS tapes. These are recorded onto beta tapes and those physical tapes are sitting someplace and we know that he has storage units hidden. If he was doing this in some kind of way that had nothing to do with blackmail, he would He didn't hide them around the country. You'd put them close to home. You put them in your basement where you could access them if you needed them. Instead, he had them hidden all over the place. So, you know, I just, I tend to try to remind people of that because when you start to get fed this felon, well, maybe it really is nothing. Maybe it wasn't what we thought it was. Remember the facts of what we know about this guy and the facts of what he was doing. He absolutely was a hunting pot and he has plenty of evidence on everyone. - Mm-hmm, yeah, that's true. And there was even a New York Times article that had photos of his house in Palm Beach and his house in New York. And I think including the island and it literally showed the cameras there, right? And like, at some level, I'm like, if some of these politicians and these high level people are going to his houses like Bill Clinton and, you know, Trump went to his townhouse in New York many, many times according to, I think it was Virginia Cufrey said that. How are these people not seeing these cameras? They're not being aware of this stuff. Like, is there some level of trust that's in the air where it's just like, okay, I'm here. Like, I let my hair down, let my guard down and I'm not worried about this. But, and also like when presidents travel, like don't they bring like insane security detail that have to do like sweeps of the places before they go there and stuff like that or when they even travel on planes and stuff. So, I don't know. - Well, there's no way a sitting president was going into those properties. 'Cause, yes. Secret Service would be more sitting presidents at the time. - But like Clinton, there are stories and people forget this too, there are stories. 'Cause he was on that Lolita Express plane dozens of times. Somewhere like 30 or 40 times, right? But what I thought was interesting, and I was reporting on this all the way back in like 2014. And even at that time, there were reports that the Secret Service who had worked with him would say that Bill Clinton would sign fake names to get on that manifest, to get on the plane. And he would dodge his security detail to get on the Lolita Express. There were multiple reports all the way back then. So this claim that, oh, the only time that Clinton was ever with him was when he went with Kevin Spacey and they went to Africa and then they went on this trip and he went to the island a couple of times. He's all over that flight manifest for Lolita Express. But again, according to the Secret Service, there are times he's signing someone else's name and he's dodging his detail and they have to go to the island separately from him in order to retrieve him. - And this is before after he's president. - This is after he's president. - After he's president. - But now, over time, as a former president, you still have that security detail with him. - That's fucking bonkers. - Crazy. - What do you make of that recent story, and I think this might have been two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago now, of the model who was the ex-wife of the guy who's now like, has some bullshit title in Trump's cabinet. He was a former model agency owner or something like this, Italian dude, who came out and sent something on Twitter and then Melania came out and made like a public statement. - Correct. - Because she, the wife who was Melania's best friend, who the reports are that this friend was the one who introduced Melania to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, and the claim is Zampala, Zampala was the guy's name. It's something like that. And this, his wife, I guess he got iced to deport her. - Yes, that's correct. - So when she was deported back in Brazil, and then she said, I'm telling everything. So then apparently, I feel like the apparently kid. Apparently, apparently Melania didn't decide she's gonna hold this press conference, and I heard from people in the White House who said, "Nobody knew what she was gonna say when she went out that day." - They didn't really. - The staff was not informed. So nobody knew what that-- - Yeah, Carlos Ampoli, this guy. - Yeah. - Can you pull up the picture of his wife? - Again, why does a guy who's a former model agency owner have a fucking, what's his title? - Is it Amanda Ungaro? - He is the-- - I believe that is it. - Yeah, Amanda Ungaro, that sounds right. Yep. Yes, yes, there she is. So she was a model with Melania together. The story is, is that she introduced Melania to Epstein and that the reason why Melania came out and gave this totally out of left-field, bizarre press conference, and everybody's like, what do we talk? What's happening? - Yeah. - Was that, because in it, she says, I did not meet Donald through Jeffrey Epstein. I met him separately at some club. Remember, she gave like a whole bunch of explanation as to how she and Donald met each other, and they had nothing to do with Epstein, and she didn't know Epstein, and there's all these pictures of her and Epstein together. - Right. - There's a lot of pictures of him. - Yes. - So the claim is, is that when this woman was deported, Amanda was deported. She was like, I'm telling everything. - Right. - And that was why they-- - Can you flip her tweets? - If there's a screenshot of her tweet, like what she said, because they were like, they were pretty sharp threats that she made of like destroying Melania with the information that she has. I'd be curious to see those, and like see like, if they're still up, or if she deleted them, I thought she might have maybe deleted them. - Or somebody did. - Or somebody did. I'm not sure. I'm something maybe somebody to fucking delete at her. I'd be pretty afraid of that. - Right, I haven't heard anything from her. - Yeah, no, I don't think anybody has. But that guy, Paulo Zampoli, you know, he's come out and he's made some threats against people talking about him, and stuff like that, saying that like his, again, no self-awareness with this guy, and he needs to find a new fucking social media team, whoever's posting on his ex account. But they made some sort of posts on his ex account saying that anyone that talks about him and Epstein is gonna get some sort of like a lawsuit threat, or whatever you're trying to intimidate journalists from talking about him, but good luck with that, Paulo. I talked to people too all the time about this, this is like people that are saying like, look man, I'm fucking tired of hearing about Epstein. I don't wanna hear anymore about this Epstein shit. It's fucking, I'm over it. You guys been beating it to death. So unfortunately, at some level, they're, whatever they're doing is working. Well, so there is a tactic there, right? And the tactic is, we're gonna put out like they did, three million files, or we can give you a whole bunch of stuff. We're gonna let everybody dig through this stuff. We're gonna let you make a big deal about it. Talkin' talkin' talkin' talkin' talkin' talk. But at a certain point, because they've held back, so interestingly, if you look at the Epstein files, half the files are out, three million of six million. But only 2% of the data is out. So the amount of data in those files, 98% is unreleased. Well, how can you do half of it and only do 2%? That means of the half that's not released is video. And that's what they're not releasing. You release that stuff, and now you got a whole different story. So one thing that's been very tactical about the way the Epstein files have been released is by just releasing emails and stuff. Yeah, there's some people who are interested in it and shocked by it. But if you hold back images where people don't ever have a mental picture, it goes away faster. Yes, yes, that's very true. And also, wasn't there a huge chunk of missing emails from like 2000, what was it? Or to COVID. I thought it was 9/11. That too. Yeah, like the year leading up to 9/11, and like a year after 9/11. Yeah, there was like, there was a chart that came out that showed the dates of all the emails that were released. And there's a fucking year gap right there. Right nothing around 9/11. All right, here's the Amanda Ungaro tweet from March 9th. You know, April 9th, sorry. Hello, Melania. I was around you for 20 years. You knew I was inside ICE. And you know what hurts after all this time. I stayed close to your family, your mother, and your father, not because of you, because of them at events and everything else. So shut your mouth when speaking about me. This is not, oh, because I will expose everything I know. This must have been after Melania. She had a couple of like this. Yeah, she must, I would keep you here to see her first one. Yeah, and then there was the email with the shadow commission. Would you like to be on the 9/11 shadow commission, the guillain email? You know, I wonder how much of that is it possible that any of that was like cherry picked and like thrown in there with certain things redacted to be like, okay. This will ratchet up the schizophrenia in people and like just drive people crazy because they dropped all that shit on us with no analysis, right? If the FBI's had all this stuff for so long, well, isn't it your job to like give us a description of what your conclusion was to all of this and like what you've done about it or what you're gonna do about it or like who was he? What is your actual conclusion of who the guy was? But there was none of that. Well, there wasn't because there wasn't an investigation. There were multiple investigations where they just gathered information, right? But no one was building a case against it. And I think that's the primary problem with the Epstein case is that there is no actual case that was built. There was no case to say we believe he is X, Y, or C. But again, go all the way back to 2006 and Alexander Acosta, right? Who was in the Trump administration the first time as the labor secretary belongs to intelligence is what he said, right? He said that he was told it belongs to intelligence. When he was trying to put him away, he was told you need to stand down because he belongs to intelligence. What does that mean? Does that mean CIA? So here's what I believe now, after all this. I believe that he was not CIA nor was he Missile. I think he was an equal opportunity kind of intelligence for hire, where they would come to him for specific people or wanted information on specific people, and he would just gather it. However, having said that, I think he worked independently enough that if you went through CIA files, you're not going to find like a contract for him, but I do believe CIA and Mossad were both funding him. Yes. Right. But if they do it off the books, then it's not a honey trap because you're not. If you fund the guy who's bringing all the girls in and bringing all the powerful people in, then you're the one who's entrapping everybody. But if you kind of pay him through the back door and he's taken all this in, and now he's just a guy who has access and I can give you information on people. But what's also interesting to me is that people say, "Well, who's the. who's Epstein now? Who's the next Epstein?" This is the next Epstein. They don't need a honey trap anymore. Be honey trap ourselves all day long because intelligence agencies and Mossad, CIA, NSA, spend all day long going through our data, right? We're creating the footprint. They can hear us on our phones. They can see us on our phones. They're able to watch everything that we're doing constantly. If they want to track you and they want to find stuff on you, they don't need some guide as invite you to an island. Right. Now, that doesn't mean that for certain powerful people, they don't still send certain assets in to influence them in a certain way or draw them into something in particular. But again, it's not like it used to be because we're constantly surveilled. Yeah, that's true, and it's less of a liability. Suicide murder or still alive. Okay. I'll tell you what I want me to tell you where I am first, please. I think you're still alive. Yep. But I would say I'm 90% that he's still alive, 10% that he was killed. I was 99% he was killed until I met someone through the pizza gate stuff we were working on, who says he is absolutely alive, really. And did this person have any evidence? This person is giving me their belief based upon someone else who's very close to them. And the person who's very close to them would absolutely know. Really? So then I, now I'm like completely unsure. So I went from being like 99% sure he's dead to now being like, if he's dead, then yeah, but otherwise probably like 10% sure he's dead. Well, why did the FBI release the wrong footage of the wrong jail cell? Number one, and why haven't added on it? Because the photo they released after he died was a different jail cell. And why, on his autopsy, were they saying they examined his prostate when the guy didn't have a fucking prostate? Right. And that was on paper. Oh, there's evidence. He's talking to his doctor saying I don't have a prostate. Well, and they admit, again, in the FC files, you can find the emails where they admit that they did not roll his body out, that they put a bunch of boxes and things under a sheet and they wrote it out to trick the media. Right. And why also on a Saturday morning, when they wheel the body out of the back of the prison cell, is there a photographer ready to go? Right. Right. Isn't that one of the slowest news days of the week's Saturday? Now, in that case, if they, if he was dead and they thought that it was there and you tip him off, sure. But if you tip him off intentionally and say, hey, they're going to bring exactly out. He's coming out this way. And then you put a bunch of boxes under a sheet and you roll the sheet out. I mean, I don't know. It's crazy. And you're right. The thing about releasing the wrong video and the wrong door and all that stuff and the video was all the metadata was all wrong. I think that is a symbol of incompetency. Yeah. Because they were trying to like trick us, I mean, not, sorry, not trick us. I think they were. I don't think that they were so clever that they were like, oh, we can put this out and we'll like, we'll play with their minds a little. I think they're stupid. And I think they put it out and not realizing that the average person can check the metadata and say, well, this is clearly not right. Right. John told me that it would be extremely easy to create a body double and exfiltrate him out of that prison cell. And another crazy thing is another guy, I know who was a former CIA agent got a hold of, he did a whole show on this with Discovery Channel, I think, where he actually got the blueprints, the public blueprints for that block of the prison, right? And like how it was all laid out with like where all the concrete walls were, where all the doors were, all the plumbing and everything. Then he went somehow like, he went super deep and got like the real blueprints or schematics of that prison, of the whole prison. And there's a part of his cell that are not on the public blueprints. So there's like, like, imagine if you're looking at like this corner of this room right here from like, from the end of that wall to like this TV, imagine it's a square. Yeah. Now imagine Steven's desk is a wall that goes all the way to the ceiling. That's what the is on the real blueprints, so there's like a cut in, like a corner angle cut in like that that goes all the way to the ceiling that encroaches into the room. And it's very weird. Like what, why is that on one part of the blueprints and not on the official blueprints? This weird cut out in the room. And then the other thing that he did was they built a replica of what his cell actually was. Cause they had all the photos, they had all the dimensions from the blueprints. And between the room of the bunk bed and the wall, it's like, I don't know, maybe three and a half feet, something crazy. And they tried to simulate how they would hang themselves or do what, what, what Epstein did to himself with the exact like they got everything down to a tee with the exact cloth that he rubbed around his neck and everything. And like, okay, if I'm going to do this and it's tied right here, I got this thing around neck. And how am I going to jump and do this to myself? They couldn't figure out how to do it without like smashing your head into the wall directly in front of the bunk and getting a huge contusion on your head, but he had no head contusions at all. Right. It was just that neck thing on that, on that autopsy. So and this is a guy, this guy Andy, who did this thing, Andy Bustamonte. Two years ago, I talked to him, he thought Epstein was absolutely dead. He absolutely killed himself. He believed the narrative. He would argue with me about it, like Danny, you're, you're, you're crazy. He's definitely dead. Why will we lie about this? He wasn't in. Now he's done a full 180. Really? Like, this is a Occam's razor type, dude, who everything is Occam's razor for him. And now that he's actually like gone through all the evidence and like gone to the work of reconstructing the cell, he's convinced that Epstein was exfiltrated out of there. So that's fucking it. Yeah, I don't, I don't, would not be surprised at all, at all. I mean, there are even little things like the fact that we have the pictures of that one body they do have pictures of. And you can see his, you know, this is, this is crazy. So this is the cut out. So this is, yeah, look, so watch this. This is crazy. Hopefully we don't get, um, fucking what's, what's it called, copyrighted for this? Hit the, hit the, inducting my most in-depth investigation yet. Taking you inside a full scale replica of Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Oh, just like my old home. Where I meet with a former inmate who was Epstein's closest friend inside. I do know the last day that I watched Jeffrey Epstein. He really looked depressed. I tracked down an internet sleuth with shocking new details he discovered in cell block footage. They say that that's what that orange blob is, but I can prove to you that it's not the case. Then I'll bring in one of the top podcasters in the country who reveals another wild theory. If you were to fake his death, you'd get a body double and make sure that everyone could see it including the press. And we'll meet with a leading forensic pathologist to help put all the pieces together. Have I seen multiple fractures in these structures? Yes. Have I seen it and hanging? No. My goal? To answer the question, what really happened to Jeffrey Epstein in the early morning hours of August 10th, 2019? Yeah, you saw a little cut out in the room. Crazy man. What the hell is going on there? Again, I was not a believer in it. Now I am. Have you met Palm Beach Pete? I've not met him. I've seen my sons obsessed with Palm Beach Pete. He was convinced for a while that Palm Beach Pete is actually Epstein's twin because you know he's a twin brother. Oh really? No, not Mark. Mark Epstein. How many brothers do you have? He knows more about it than I do. So he does have a brother, Mark Epstein, who's done some interviews and he, you know, he's one of the guys like, no, I saw his body. I was there. Right. And I confirmed that that was really his body, but it's like, do we believe you? Right. Right. If that was my brother and I knew he was alive, I would also tell the public that he was really dead. So no one, you know, like, wouldn't, yeah, like a big son. Right. It's not like he's walking out like I have pictures. Right. Right. Did you see the thing that just came out? I think it was a couple days ago about that. that Norwegian kid who there was a couple who were, they were on Norwegian diplomats that were connected to Epstein. And Epstein gave their children 10 million dollars in his living will. - Really? - And the kid's 25, him and his twin sister, each got five million dollars in Epstein's will. And the 25 world just killed himself last week. - What? - Yeah. - That's wild. - It's insane dude. Like, there's a whole article about us to you, I send it to you. But it's just, you know, the amount of reach this guy had and like, the fact that this makes it in the news, makes me wonder how many stories like this, how many people are getting disappeared all around the world that we've never heard of and that we'll never hear. - Oh, absolutely. - You know? - Yeah. - Political air, 25, who has left $5 million in Epstein's will, kills himself just days after the investigation and his parents was launched. What day was his published? May 1st. - Okay. - But we don't know why he would leave them this money. - There was nothing that-- - I don't know why. - Yeah, I read it. I don't know, I don't think there's any explanation as to why he gave her that money. But that's the same amount of money he gave Galein Maxwell to. - Really? - That he gave her 10 million in his will. - Huh. - And I don't know what's happening with her. - Well, I was gonna say, and the interesting thing about Galein Maxwell is, so if there is no Epstein investigation, if the Epstein thing is all a hoax, what is she doing in prison? Why is she locked up? - Right. - You know? Why does the DOJ not cut her a deal or release her? Or why doesn't Trump pardon her? Like if you are Trump saying, this is all a hoax, this is all fake, none of this is real. Why would you let this woman continue to sit in prison? - Right, that's a good question. - Because she did nothing. - And she seems to be playing ball, right? Like she hasn't given up anything. Like it seems like she's-- - Oh, that's why she's still alive, I guess. - It seems like she really wants to do a deal. But I think she makes the argument too that why would you keep me locked up? Cash Patel said, in front of Congress, he said under sworn testimony, that Jeffrey Epstein did not traffic anyone to anyone. He says, nobody was trafficked. So if Jeffrey Epstein didn't traffic anyone, what is Galein Maxwell doing in prison? And if you're in the head of the FBI, wouldn't you make a move to get her released? Because she's in prison for trafficking, right? Women, yes, exactly. There's this, and this is where the whole thing just gets so convoluted. So when those people like Todd Blanche will sit there and say, I'm not even sure what we're talking about. Well, I guess we're not, because there isn't actually an official position on anything. There's no official position on who Jeffrey Epstein was, what he did, did he commit any crimes, did he traffic anyone, did he abuse anyone? What did Galein Maxwell do? What did Prince Andrew do? The interesting thing, too, is that the only people who have been arrested are in other countries. So they have been arrested in the UK. They have been arrested in other countries, but not here. They've been forced out of their positions and jobs in these different places, ambassadors and stuff. Nobody here. So we look crazy to the rest of the world. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's interesting to watch how that terminology, I don't know that I'm necessarily a fan of it, but the terminology, the Epstein class, has become very representative of an entire group of people. I mean, especially in other parts of the world, where they really do. They view anyone who's powerful in America as part of the Epstein class, anyone who's powerful in Western Europe as part of the Epstein class, you know? Yeah, I think Tim Dillon said it best. The other day on one of his podcast, I think his recent podcast, he was explaining that he was commentating on the whole Trump going to China with all the CEOs. Yeah, it was like 17 CEOs or whatever. And he was kind of joking because he's like, he's like, Trump and the White House, they don't want to get in a fight with China. He's like, you look at his previous posturing towards China during the first term and now all the nice things he's saying and how polite he's being and all this stuff. He's like, they know better than to get in a fight with China. He goes, the United States used to be the high school quarterback who got the girls and was the bully. Now, the United States is the weird kid who may have a gun. He's exactly what they are. He's like, China is now the high school quarterback. Now our high school quarterback looks like a mixed Asian with a white person. It's not, he's not fully Caucasian anymore. It's so true, it's so true. We are definitely the weird kid with the gun. Very unpredictable. And he's like, don't push him too hard because you don't know what he's going to do. He's like, he's like, we're on a decline and they're trying to manage our decline so we don't lose control. So we don't lose our temper on the way down. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, she mentioned that in one of his speeches, right? And I'll get the term wrong, but it's this. This concept of, and you might note the term, it's escaping me. Anyways, it's basically the term came out of ancient Greece where, you know, Sparta was on the decline. Athens was on the rise. And the theory is, is that for any declining power, when they intersect with an emerging power, they ultimately have to go to war at some point, right? And so what she was referencing when he was making his speech with Trump there was basically, we're trying to avoid this, this paradox that we're trying to avoid, which is where the declining power, the United States, is intersecting with the rising power, which is China. Do we have to, there it is? Yeah. Thucydides trap. Interesting. Yep. Thucydides trap. And that's ultimately what the Chinese are trying to avoid. What by the way, thank God for that. Yes, thank God for that. They don't feel like they need to go to war with us in order to establish themselves. They're like, there's a way for us to continue to rise and for the U.S. to continue to decline without it ever becoming a war. And then of course, Trump's response to him referring to the U.S. as a declining power was, he was talking about Biden. (laughing) Is it, is that what he was talking about? Oh my God. Pretty sure he wasn't. Pretty sure that the Chinese are looking at this war with Iran and they're thinking, well, this would be easier than we thought it would be. Yeah, you know. And now they're meeting with the opposition party and what is, Taiwan, and it seems like it's possible that when they take Taiwan, it won't be like a military takeover. It may not be. It may just be a reunification. Right, yeah. Taiwan seems to be moving in that direction at this point. And listen, if you're Taiwan, why wouldn't you? I mean, if you just watched what happened to the Gulf states that are sitting over there who have been much more important to the United States than Taiwan, and we just let them get obliterated. We haven't done anything to stop them getting hit. So much so that countries like Qatar and the UAE are like, we're not even going to be a part of OPEC anymore. We're backing out because this is a mess. This is not working. The truth is, it's sad, but I think I've told people, I believe that one of the things that this war reveals is what scam the military industrial complex, and military contractors have run on this country, right? Where they charge us these ridiculous amounts of money for a single missile, for a single patriot missile, a sad missile radar detector. The sad radars are what, a billion dollars a piece, and there's seven of them. And now there's like two left because Iran destroyed them. Yeah, with drones that cost $20,000, right? Yeah. So he drones are $20 grand. We have a $600 million radar plane. There's only seven of them in the world. There's now only six because they cut one and half with a drone, you know? And you look at the economics of that. It's like, we are so far behind in terms of what we have in terms of military power. Yeah, like we still have aircraft carriers more than anybody in the world. We have the largest air force in the world, and we have the second largest air force. The largest air force in the world is the US Air Force. The second largest air force in the world is the US Navy, right? It's incredible. However, drones kind of render some of that useless, right? You don't have to spend that kind of money on planes when you have swarms of drones everywhere, right? So the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, as we just learned, are way ahead of us in terms of that technology, cheaper. That's why Trump went to, he went to GM and Ford recently. Yes, all that. And said, we want you to start manufacturing, right? That the first time since World War II subsidizing them, or what? So no official statement has been made about what they would do. I think this was basically Trump poking the contractors because he's like, you're taking too long to create equipment and it's too expensive. So if you can't do it, we'll find somebody who can, right? So yeah, they would basically do contracts, if that were the case, and it would probably be a great thing for American automakers to shift, my guess would be he's talking to them about shifting to drone production, which would make sense because what the Russia Ukraine war did was it showed the world a whole new battlefield, it wars completely changed, completely changed. And what we've done for the last 40 years is we keep investing in the same antiquated technology. Yes, right, that we've always had. So go back to the first Persian Gulf War, right? All the way back in 1991. And we were very proud of the Patriot missiles. Here are the Patriots, and we were like, oh my God. I grew up in El Paso and Fort Bliss was the home of the Patriot missile. Yeah, and it was like we have this technology that we can stop anything. Well, at the time, that was true in 1991. In 2026, that ain't true, and Iran just proved that, right? What we do is we overwhelm you with missiles, and you got to shoot five or six patriots to hit one. Right, you know, we said 30, 40 at a time, you're out of luck. You should out of luck. And that doesn't even take into account things like hypersonics, right? The Chinese have hypersonics, the Russians have hypersonics. You can't even detect them, they're moving so fast. So I think this war is a little bit of a wake-up call that we're way behind. Talk about that declining power, and one reason we're declining power is because we have wasted so much treasure, $12 trillion over the past 40 years on these Middle East wars. If not more, and we haven't invested anything here at home. All that money could have been used here, instead it's used over there, and for what? And instead what other countries have done is they've quietly moved past us in terms of that. So you better believe that the Chinese are watching, the Russians are watching, every single thing that happens in this war, and they're watching response times and how we respond. Even the fact that we have, yeah, we have all these aircraft carriers, but we won't get them anywhere near Iran, because we're so afraid of them getting hit. Right, right. So what good is it? They're slowly developing their soft power, and their economic power. What are we going to do with China? They give us 90% of our pharmaceuticals, and our medical supplies, and they own probably a majority of our debt, and it's just crazy, man. And now we're talking about invading Cuba, or what is it called? Castro's brother, is it? Roll Castro. Roll Castro. He's like 95 years old. So he'll probably be in chains by the time this airs. He'll be sitting in a cell in New York. Right. Yeah. That's one thing that people say about this, is that maybe Trump saw what happened to Venezuela, how good it, how clean and quick it happened. I thought maybe he could do this. Which I don't think anyone knew that everybody, everyone in the know, like the joint chiefs and the high level military people around him knew that this was not going to go down like that. And they told him. He warned him that, right? It's also important to be said that like, even though it seems like we are really losing this war, it is pretty impressive. The operation that they did to rescue that down to Wizzo, and that plane that crashed, they got shot down there. Like all the, all the shit that they had to do to make that happen, like diverting, using the CIA to, they launched apparently like 150 planes, flew them to different parts of Iran to throw them off the trail to where they were going, and then they leaked that story about the murmur, the ghost murmur, which ended up being total bullshit. It was a fake story that was leaked to the New York Post. And then Ratcliffe was like on the podium, like bragging about how, oh, yeah, we do this. He didn't actually like confirm the actual ghost murmur. He tried to find a sly way to get around that. But the story just took off. So I don't believe any of that, you don't believe any of that, don't, I don't believe any of it. It's just what I believe happened, and we've actually reported on this kind of extensively. So this was not an operation to get a downed pilot. The net would never happen this way. None of it makes any sense. I've interviewed multiple military guys who have said, absolutely not. So for instance, you're not going to send in these, what were they, C-130s, and they tried to land, and then they were too heavy because they were in the mud, and they had to leave them behind. So they just blew them up instead. No. But about a week before this happens, there are leaks coming out that Trump was presented with a plan by the Secretary of War and the few generals for how they could go in and they could grab the uranium, the enriched uranium from the Iranians. And so this stuff was already out there. I think the New York Times ran an article on it. There were a couple of others that ran articles on this plan, what it looked like. And the plan included what they would do is they would fly in. They would have to construct a runway somewhere in the desert. And then they would land these C-130s, and they had all this equipment that they would bring out. They would blow open the area where this mountain, I guess, area where the uranium was kept underneath. They'd go in. They would bring it all back out. It was a crazy plan. So much so that when Trump was told about the plan, he said the only thing that were missing a Schwarzenegger to take off in a helicopter afterwards, right? So cinematic and crazy, this whole concept. About a week later, all of a sudden, oh, there's this pilot who was downed. It just so happens that we have C-130s in the area. It just so happens we have these Apache's in the area. And then the story is so crazy about this guy that supposedly this pilot is downed. According to Trump's own words, the guy is bleeding. He hikes five miles and then climbs like a huge cliff. Yeah, like 7,000 feet or some crazy number, and then hides up there until they're able to extract him. And then once they extract him because they got all their stuff stuck, they blew it all up and burned it all, it doesn't make sense at all. Right. What I have been told by multiple people is that they were trying to go in and get the enriched uranium. That was the original plan. They sent in these pilots around the area and they started getting hit a black Hawk or it's not actually a black Hawk, it was it's similar to a black Hawk. But two of them were hit in the air and then there was another that was hit, one of those fighter just was hit. So they were able to get out those guys out of there. But they again, everybody who was talking to me about it says, this is not the way you would extract. It's way too many people. It's way too complicated and it's all the wrong equipment. You would not see that stuff in there. But if you're trying to go in and extract the uranium and you're trying to build a runway in the desert and you're trying to land a giant C130 because you need to be able to carry the uranium out of there, then that's what you would do. So that's what I think it was. I think it was a disaster. And I will say this, one thing about President Trump is he is very good at spinning anything into a victory. Yeah. And I think what they did was they said, look, we're not going to go out there and say we had a failed mission because that's going to make us look horrible. And it would have. And so instead they invented a story about this hero, by the way, have you ever seen them? I've never seen them. Never brought about in front of the cameras. Never said here's the guy, by the way, with the injuries, the guy who climbed this cliff while he was bleeding and put out a beacon that only the CIA could hear and they were able to track him from space and we haven't seen any of them. We saw all the people who came back from their little trip around the moon. We've seen all those people. We haven't seen the pilot who was down in Iran. See if you could find out anything about that pilot. I'm curious now, because I've never actually searched. Do we know his name, even? Nope. No name. Not that I've seen. Maybe it's out of the zone. I have not seen this, this pilot who was who was down. Where is he? Because you would think this guy would be a national hero. You'd walk him around and say, this is the face of this great operation that we ran to rescue this guy, because we leave no man behind. That was brilliant, by the way. It was a brilliant way to cover the story was we had somebody down and we leave no one behind. It went and we got it because even when I'm here in the story and thinking, it's all a lie, I'm still like, go get him guys. Right? Because there's an American. You're like, wow. It fooled me, man. That's pretty wild. And I think, I don't know, just this morning I was reading something that said that the new Supreme Leader is now saying, like, fuck you, we're not letting you. We're going to keep all of our Uranium, all of our Eurostiranium, and we're not going to do anything. No. It's just. I mean, what can we do? Right. I don't know. This is how many times he's going to threaten Armageddon. Yeah. This is exactly the problem. Can we have him? The identities of the pilots and weapons systems officer have not been officially released by the U.S. military or the White House to protect the service members and operational security. The U.S. sent some to command has strictly referred to the crew by their mission call signs. The pilot was dude 44 alpha. And the other guy was dude 44 Bravo. They made it all up. It's all fake. It's a fucking propaganda story. Yeah. But it was so well done. So I still have to be like, well done. Damn it. It got me. Yeah. I'm just the other day that was telling me the whole story behind it now. Amazing to us. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because the thing is rather than having a great mission, they did come up with a great story. The story is a great story. Yeah. But the other problem is too is you're going to tell that story and no one in any kind of established media is ever going to say, this didn't happen. You'd be out of a job in five minutes. You hate America. I was like, I don't hate America. I love America. That's why I don't want us making up stories. And I don't want us going and blowing up other countries. And I don't want us faking stuff. It's interesting how you were describing in the beginning of this podcast, how when you're working at the local news stations, they kind of like feed you your stories, your pre-packaged sort of stories that you're going to tell anything on a national level. Right. The local stuff you're still doing, like the city council stuff, house fires, car crashes. That's all local. Got it. Got it. Got it. So I wonder on the national level, how much of that is going on? How many stories are getting fed to the national? A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot. or whoever else, who would. Well, okay. So the way it works in a lot of newsrooms, right? Is, first of all, one of the big problems that I have with newsrooms is they already have a authority centric model, meaning if you get on the local level, there's a murder, there's a fire. The fire department releases a press release or the police department releases a press release. That is the authority on that story, if you're a reporter. Okay, right? So nobody says, well, maybe this fire wasn't what they said it was, right? You know, I ever say that because the fire department sends you a press release. And what's happened in every single city in the entire country, every fire department has a press, press secretary, no. And 99.9% of the time, they're former TV people, right? Who didn't make very good money, got tired of the terrible hours of working in TV, and so they go take one of these jobs working as a press secretary. And so they'll be the spokesperson for the police department, spokesperson for the fire department. Okay. But they are authorities on whatever happens. So just a quick story. So when I was working on El Paso was one of my first markets, and this is really where I learned to start questioning authority was, so El Paso was right across the river from what is Mexico? Yep, right? And so that's where I grew up, I was very fortunate to be on air in my hometown for 10 years. In 2007, 2008, there was a massive drug war happening in Mexico, and it came to want us. And when it did, I mean, it was just, it was the most dangerous city in the world at the time. More dangerous than Baghdad, most dangerous city in the world for journalists. Laras, yeah. Tens of thousands of people being killed, right? Three million people fled the city. I mean, it was insane, like how bonkers it was. And then people came back, but it was just, it was totally nuts. And that, there was a claim at the time, so I used to go over every day to Mexico, right? Every morning, I'd get a photographer 'cause nobody wanted to go, it was way too dangerous. Get a photographer and these guys, and we'd get in the car and we drive across the river. And literally, we drive across, and there'd be like headless bodies hanging from the overpasses when you drive through. Yeah. Cartels are very creative in the way that kill people. It's all very showy. We would go like, you're talking right over the border. You're seeing this? Yeah. Like you cross over, you drive the first overpass, you got like dead bodies hanging from it. We went to a field one time where they had killed a guy and cut his face off and sewn it to a soccer ball and thrown it out into a field full of kids playing soccer. It was crazy. Went to a location where this woman had been butchered and they had cut her arms and legs off and her breasts off and scattered them all over this room. There was, in the 1990s, there was something called a Wattas Femocides, which was kind of famous. J. Lo made a movie about it. And the Femocides were about 300 women over the course of 10 years just disappeared in Wattas. They would work at these Makila Doris, which are like these factories. They get on buses and they would go to work in the factories and then just, they wouldn't come home. And so about over the, of course, about 10 years, about 300 women just went missing. Their families never knew what happened to them. There's a lot of questions today whether it was police who were doing it, whether it was like cartels that were doing it, serial killers. No one really knows to this day what happened to them. It was so violent in Wattas at that time that there were 3,000 women who went missing in one year, not in 10 years, in one year, 3,000 women. And nobody had talked about them at all because they were just being disappeared. There were so many dead bodies in Wattas, they just had mass graves where they were just, dig up the ground and just push the bodies in 'cause they couldn't keep them in the morgue. You had like a week to come and claim a body and if you did, they just created mass graves. So it was wild. And I remember at the time in Opasso, there was a claim that, well, Opasso is the safest city in the country and none of that violence is coming here, right? So there was a fire one night at a restaurant. It was a huge fire and this place burns to the ground. And it was so bizarre to me the way it burned. They put out the press release and I'm meeting with our team and I'm like, no, there's something wrong with this story, right? This restaurant just happened to burn down and like it just, it's completely gone. And didn't believe it and was working on a story about it, meeting with sources and talking to people about it and I finally had one guy from the fire department who met with me and he said, yeah, you're absolutely right. He said, so what we found, we went in there is they had drilled holes into the concrete on the roof and they had put like C4 in it and they blew the building up. And that's why it went down like that. And I said, who, and he said, I can't tell you that part. But we all knew who it was. And so that was happening in a bunch of different locations but you were never allowed to report that because the official statement that came from the fire department was, it was an electrical fire. So that was the cartels that were doing it? Oh, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, because they were making people pay them on the US out of the border too. Right. Because the cartel guys all live in the US. They don't live in Mexico. So they have a saying that you don't make war where you make your home. So their kids, all the cartel guys, kids would go to school in El Paso. Right. They lived in mansions on the US side. But then they fight the war on the Mexican side, right? So anyways, the point being that you, it's all authoritative centric where you just, you go along with whatever this is. Well, if you watch any national news, you'll see like a reporter will be talking about their sources in the Pentagon, right? They all have source counter intuitive statement. Right. Because the source is just feeding you whatever it is they want you to believe. Yeah. But if you're, if you're a reporter for Fox News or for CNN or for ABC and someone from the Pentagon calls you up and says, "Hey, I'm going to tell you what's going on." We just had a guy who went down and we're going to get him. We're sending all this stuff in them. We're going to pick him up. We're bringing this guy home. You're like, oh my gosh, I have this scoop. You run back to your news desk. We got breaking news. This is happening, duh, duh, duh. You start doing the story when it's all over with. Are you going to turn around and say, by the way, that story was bullshit. Clearly that's not what happened, right? No, because then you'd never have a source again. Right. You'd be out of a job. They'd never leak anything to you. But if you're their buddy and you all drink together and you all hang out together, they're going to feed you whatever story fits. So all those sources will bring that stuff down. And then when CNN does it Fox us or whatever, they're sending it down to their local newsrooms, and now they as the network are the authoritative source. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh my God, it's so crazy. It's a perfect system for feeding them the people propaganda. You don't need to just have like fully controlled new stations like top down. It's just you make the sources straight out of the government. And not only that, but they also, the people, these former intelligence people and these former Pentagon insiders also get like contracts with those new stations to be like the talking heads and they go to on every topic. Yeah, when people talk about like Operation Mockingbird. Yeah, you know, where they're like, they were just programming the 70s and they were planting journalists. Yeah, that was absolutely true. You don't need to do it anymore. Because now they sit up there and they put their title. CIA agent or former CIA analyst, or you know, you got like John Brennan, who was the head of the CIA, right? Who for a long time, I'm not sure he still is, but for a long time, he was working at CNN as an analyst, right? The guy you mean who lied to Congress about torture, the guy who spied on the Senate, members of the US Senate illegally to find out if they knew about torture, right? Is now your analyst to talk about these things on air. James Clapper. The guy who wanted to carry out human prison. Yeah, that's right. John Brennan, yeah. Clapper, yeah, he's another one. And Clapper's another one who also lied to Congress about the whole spying program that Edward Snowden revealed, right? He went to, when he retired, he went to work at CNN. They're probably getting $34, $5 million a year to sit up there and give their opinion, their analysis. By the way, all these same guys, all the people who signed the Russia collusion letter against Trump. Yeah, also like, how does nobody notice that Clapper and these people are the same people who are behind all these UFO stuff? These UFO files. Like Clapper now, like he's, this is deathbed confession. He wants to make right with the world. And he wants to tell everyone the truth about UFOs. How the fuck are we supposed to believe this? Well, people do, but the UFO thing is interesting. I'm interested to see what you think about it. What do you believe is happening with the UFO? Oh my God, dude, I don't know. I've been in changes weekly with this thought. This just is such a court, it's next to bullshit. It's so hard to parse through it, man. It really is. I feel like, you know, my God tells me whatever Clapper and Brennan are attached to that they're telling us, I feel like that's not the truth. Or maybe it's only a small part of the truth that can limited hang out to get us off the trail of whatever it is. My high level view of the whole thing is A, the files that Trump just released was just a distraction. That's just, it's nice that it's finally like admitted by the public and admitted by the White House, by the government, and it's on the White House website. And like, they finally admit this stuff's real. Because before we didn't know about that, but people were able to dismiss it and argue against it. Now you can't really, now it's out there. But good job on their part of, you know, hanging a shiny object over here to get people distracted. My top level view of all of this stuff is that, like, I think that. we do have shit that was either found in archaeological digs or recovered and we've been trying to figure out how it works since the '50s. I think that there was an element of physics that we've been working on in the United States physicists in the US have been working on since the '40s and '50s that went underground and that I think aerospace companies have control of now. And I don't even think that they're giving full access to the US military on this stuff. I think they've, who controls? I don't, I think it's, I think it's a combination of like Battelle Memorial Institute, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman. I think they all have a little bit of contractors control. Contractors control. Yeah, private contractors control this stuff because they have to keep it secret from FOIA, right? You can't be able to FOIA this stuff. So that's one of the reasons they keep it locked away and they keep it very compartmentalized. Every, every, every little program, I think, which is probably in various different, underneath various different military contractors, is very stove-piped to where one person working on metallurgies not gonna see whoever's working on physics and propulsion. And above all of that, the people that can see everything that's really happening, I think there's maybe only like, a dozen people alive that really know all that stuff. And I think those people are like, maybe on the Epstein level or even above the Epstein level, as far as like power and control, you know, I think those people are above government powers. Yeah, those are the people that are really, like pulling the strings of the presidents and the politicians and, you know, and I think also if they have some sort of an alternative energy, those people are also invested in like oil and petroleum. So they don't want it to get out for multiple reasons. They don't want to disrupt other investments. And, you know, if something like this really got out of the bag, it could like destabilize the whole entire world economy. Because if we have like a new zero-point energy or some sort of a clean energy that we won't have to rely on fossil fuels anymore or fucking battery-powered electric cars anymore, you know, a lot of the richest people in the world would no longer be that unless they could figure out a way to parlay into that first. - Right. - Before it became public. - Yeah. - But as far as like what the phenomenon is, I don't know, man, a lot of people talk about like extraterrestrials and stuff like that. I don't know if it's that. I think it might be like some sort of a, the same way there's naked people living in the Amazon right now with spears. There's people that are like flying around and fucking jets from Paris to New York in like two hours. I think that can also exist. I think at some level we are the people that are throwing around spears in the rainforest. And there's another layer of civilization that could still be here that we just don't interact with or don't see maybe they're fucking in the oceans or maybe they're who knows, who knows. We don't really, I don't think we're really equipped to comprehend that yet, but I think it's totally possible. - Yeah, I think that's possible. I think, first of all, what they've released so far, I think they're releasing it in a specific way and a strategic way. So I agree with you. They've released nothing. They've released stuff we've already seen. We already know, right? There's nothing. What I was told is that it's happening in phases and that with each phase there's going to be more that comes out and at a certain point, we'll see if it happens. At a certain point that they're going to acknowledge the existence of what they call non-human entities. They don't call them extraterrestrials. They don't call them interdimensional, but they're calling them non-human entities and that these non-human entities, they're going to acknowledge that they are here and they're already among us. And that's what I think members of Congress keep alluding to. So people like Tim Burchett, Malina Luna. Yeah, they keep talking about like stuff they've seen. There's a reason they're being allowed to say this. So they're priming the public for the idea that this is coming. Now, Burchett has said stuff about like a breeding program, Matt Gates, since something about being briefed on a breeding program. I don't know if that's true, not true. What I'm saying is 20 years ago or 30 years ago, if you were a member of Congress and you went on television and you said, these things exist and we are being briefed on them, you'd be dead. You would not be allowed to do that. The only reason you're doing it now is they're letting you be the ones who are priming the public so that by the time it happened, there is not a shock factor associated with it. To your point, at a certain point you'd say, oh, they fired a nuke and it got intercepted by a UFO and people were like, okay, and they go back to Fortnite and it's like they're just not paying attention. But if you prepare people by repeating this stuff over and over, you're taking away some of that shock value. Yeah, you know, and I think that's definitely happening. But I think I do believe they're going to announce at some point that the non-human entities are here. There is a group of people I have been told who are in high level, they're not actually in government, they're like advisors to the government who have been pushing this a long time and they see it as like, they believe these are like the old gods. They believe that's who these entities are. And so they're pushing towards that. So it's almost like a quasi religious view of these things, no idea how that will all play out. I just saw something the other day that Trump supposedly is close to announcing the existence of those non-human entities. Well, he doesn't seem interested in this stuff. Not at the least bit, right? I think Trump thinks he's the highest life form. I think he either, it's possible he is one of them. Exactly. If even if he's not, he'll come out and claim that he is. He'll be telling everyone that actually I'm one of them. Well, he released that photo of himself walking through the private airport or whatever with the fucking alien and handcuffs the other day. Did you see that? Find the truth social post, Trump posted a photo of himself. Obviously it was AI, I think, or Photoshop of him and his security guards walking with an alien. And I don't know what the capture was. I don't know what the capture was. What's that? It's better than him being Jesus, right? Yes. Well, I heard there was this. I heard through my primary source of news, Tim Dylan, that, oh, there it is. I think he shared this, right? Yeah. Trump shares image with restrained alien figure. I mean, you got to, you got to give his team some credit. I mean, they, they keep it interesting. This is the most interesting administration in history. Yeah, it's, it's definitely good for press. That's for sure. There's not, there's not a, not a single dull moment. It's dangerous. It's dangerous. Um, Tim Dylan was saying that, I don't know where he got this, but apparently there was a plan in the white hat. There was a plan for the government to come out and say, A, there is no God and B, we were engineered by aliens. And then like last minute, they scrapped it like that's not a good idea. Let's not do that. Okay. So that's what I was hearing also. Oh, really? Yes. The concept is this, that the Bible is not true, that the whole Jesus is a myth and that these things are the old gods and that they're the ones who have created all life on Jesus. And that it's pushed by this group of people who are like, they, they are believers in this, but they are like the foremost ones who are advising on this alien stuff. And that's what this, this whole disclosure thing. And by the way, it's not a coincidence that Steven Spielberg has a movie called Disclosure day. Yeah. It's coming out in June. Yeah. And then this movie is tied for a reason, along with all this stuff. That's fishy. That's very fucking fishy that it's coming out coinciding with all this stuff. So I'm, what I'm fascinated by is what is that movie? What is the message of that movie? Because once you told that message, I'll be willing to bet you that the official line from the government is very similar to whatever is in this movie. Yes. Yes. You nailed that. Also, it doesn't really fit with the war narrative because the whole war narrative is being pushed by like religious ideologies, right? Yes. Like there were, there was the whistleblowers, the military whistleblowers came out and there was like seven of them who said that their, their commanders were telling them that Trump was anointed by Christ to bring the sake of coming of Christ or to bring in the Messianic age. So like, yes. So if the government is talking about a one side of it, smells like there's no goby originated by aliens and the other side, we need to do this war with Iran to, for, to bring back Jesus or whatever their excuses. Well, again, it's a very big government, right? And in that case, those, what those commanders were doing, wasn't necessarily the line coming down from the White House. This is just their own religious zeal where they view this as like a holy war. But again, it's, it's pretty crazy because you have to understand there's like five million Christians in Iran. People don't realize that there's a massive Christian population in Iran that lives and co-exist with, so again, if you, if you watch Fox News all day, you would believe that there's no Christians anywhere all down there, right? Just like you would believe that the only religious, the only good religious people in the entire Middle East are in Israel, right? Those are God's people. When in fact, Israel is destroying Southern Lebanon, which is the most Christian country left inside of all of the Middle East. They have a Christian president. You're not even allowed to know that if you're watching National News. - Their president's actually Christian. - Their president is a Christian. Their president is using money from that country, which is majority Muslim, to preserve and take care of the Christian heritage sites, like the Tomb of Simon Peter, or like the location where the wedding at Cana Miracle, where Jesus turns water into wine, that's in Southern Lebanon. Some of the earliest churches are in Southern Lebanon, just like the earliest churches were in Syria. But when Israel goes in there with the US and funds the al-Qaeda and ISIS guys who end up destroying Syria and forcing out Assad, they lay all that waste to all that. Israel has now flattened all these religious, Christian religious sites in Southern Lebanon. They're not there anymore. They completely did away with them. And that's not by accident, that's all by design. But what's so sickening about that is you have all these, these evangelical pastors in the United States who were just cheering it on. And it's like, my Christian theology does not fit with the idea that Jesus is on the side of the modern state of Israel over Christian people living in Lebanon. That makes no sense at all. And I'm like, please, I defy any pastor, any pastor to stand up in front of their congregation and explain how that works. How is it that God's like, I'm good with you killing all the Christians who are in these places because Israel, what? Is this somehow by design? Like is this somehow like a crazy way to just defuse, defuse the populace by just creating so much chatter and so much noise that there's no way for people to become cohesive on one thing, to come together on one thing. So I've become a firm believer that there is, it is all by design, it is just not by the same designers. Meaning there's not a singular objective. It is multiple groups with their own objectives who work in parallel to each other because they're getting what they want. So I don't think the UFO stuff has any tie to what's going on in Iran. I actually, my theory is I believe that Israel pushed us into the war with Iran. I think that's pretty clear if you listen to Rubio and you listen to people within the administration. But I don't believe they did it because they wanted to take out Iran. I believe they did it because they wanted Southern Lebanon. And so they got the US to go fight a war over there in Iran because it didn't matter if they could win it or not win it. Didn't matter if the mullets are out. It doesn't matter if you get rid of the Ayatollah or you replace a Kamena with a Kameni. It doesn't matter to them because that wasn't their actual objective. The actual objective was distract over here while this thing's going on and it absorbs all the headlines because within a week of that war starting, they move into Southern Lebanon and just like lay waste, flatten the whole thing. You blow up all the bridges in the Latani river which connects Northern and Southern Lebanon and they've already started construction. They've already started construction in Lebanon rebuilding it into now in Israeli settlement as part of greater Israel. Meanwhile, while the war in Iran is going on, Netanyahu has said multiple times if there are ground troops, we are not supplying any of them. Right, right. They're not going to be ground troops because Trump's not going to get stuck in that because as much as he's gone along with this stuff, he's not going to do that. It's too stupid and it doesn't work and it's not going to happen. But I don't think that was the point. The point for Netanyahu, the point for the Israelis is they didn't think that you might weaken Iran some but the goal is you create this gigantic volume of noise because they couldn't just go into Southern Lebanon the way they did Gaza because the whole world's still screaming about Gaza. By the way, the whole world's still screaming about Gaza and not about Southern Lebanon. That's true. Very little conversation about what's happened in Lebanon. So I think that would be one example of parallel moments of grabbing power. The UFO guys, I think are their own group who have their own, as I said, religious view that are pushing to see that happen. And so these different things are happening simultaneously as long as we're all moving in the same direction to get what we ultimately want. I think we saw a lot of that with COVID, right? With COVID, it wasn't that there was one puppet master pulling the strings that was like the WHO has its own agenda and Bill Gates has his own agenda and Fauci has his own agenda and these different pharmaceutical companies have their own agenda. And as long as we don't step on each other's profit model, we can all move in the same direction. But everyone's kind of doing their own thing while simultaneously running parallel. Yeah, yeah, I think you're totally right about that, man. Where do you think the mind is of Russia in all of this stuff? You and John, you and John are both former RT contributors. Yep, absolutely. I don't, that probably doesn't mean that you have any kind of insider knowledge or whatever. We just create content and give it to them. Right, they run it, yeah. Right. And John famously defended that amazingly on this body. Oh, yeah. We had a debate with him and this other guy, this other CIA guy, who was like, why would you as a former CIA agent who came to protect this country? You dedicated your life to protecting the United States of America. Go work for Russian state media. Yeah. And John said, they fucking put me in prison. Exactly, they put me in prison. He's like, that is exactly why I call out the American government. Yeah, you know, it's amazing. And they never told him what to say. No, we're a poor woman ever who wanted every single day. Let me tell you, I worked, I told you with Fox and CBS and NBC, I've been in this career for 25 years. I have never had the kind of journalistic freedom as I have had with RT. They do not tell you what to talk about. At all. And if the funny thing is in the US, there's like such a stigma around it. Yeah, but RT is actually like the number one or number two cable channel in most of the world. Really? Yeah, they serve 800 million people. They have a massive audience. Wow. Yeah. And if you, and if you were part of the, the so it's basically the Russian version of CNN, but no, what was the other, what was the other like state sanctioned American news? Oh, NPR. No. Voice America. Voice America. That's what it was. Well, yes, except Western Americans terrible. Right. Obviously. It's awful. Yeah. It really is or I would you know what I say they're closer to is the BBC, which is also state funded. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. So especially the BBC of Russia. Yeah. Oh, okay. So they're, you know, and they're all over the world. They have Spanish language. They have Arabic language. They're in China. In fact, I was told that when Trump and his crew were all in in China, they were all watching RT because it was the only one in English. Really? They could watch. Yeah. Oh, my God. I worked with them for a long time and did you do a big documentary on Zelensky or something? Yeah. They did. That guy is unbelievable. Unbelievable. We did. It was a docuseries. 10 parts. Looking at how unbelievably corrupt he is and that was a couple of years ago, like it's gotten a lot worse. Right. Well, especially as the Epstein stuff came out and you learned all that. The Epstein stuff, but even just like the day-to-day on the ground there, like, you know, one thing we didn't really talk about because it wasn't happening at the time, they have no soldiers. Right. Nobody left to fight this war. And so for the last two years, they have these conscription soldiers who go around Ukraine and they just drag men off the streets and throw them into vans and off they go. And like, you can search this. There's videos of it all over the Internet. Never gets any play in our media here. And it doesn't for a reason because we're funding this. We're literally funding the extermination. This is going to sound very like, you know, white nationalist of me, but the extermination of the white male population in Ukraine. Zelensky, they extended down the age in which you could be recruited. They extended up the age in which you could be recruited. They had special ed kids being dragged and thrown into these things. What? Yeah. If you can find these videos where like women are trying to fight them off and there's a guy recently I just saw last week where he's running on his roof trying to get away from them. They drag them off the roof. They throw them in these vans. They take them. So Zelensky doesn't have any bodies left. So now he's on a tour around Europe. He was just in Germany. And he's demanding because, okay, so when the war starts, people flee, right? Number one country in the world to take Ukrainian refugees, take a guess. Number one country in the world to take Ukrainian refugees, America, no. Think genetically. Poland would be number two. Germany is number three. Who's number one? Russia. What? Yeah. Because when our media refuses to acknowledge is that Eastern Ukraine is ethnically Russian. They fly Russian flags. They speak Russian. And that Eastern part of Ukraine that is the central axis of this war. Donbass area. Yes. The Donbass and Crimea, those people have been in a civil war. See, this is video of them just getting these people. They go to restaurants. They go to nightclubs and they just dragged them in a way. Wow. I mean, imagine this happening in the United States. You were talking earlier about the draft thing. Yeah. I mean, this is what they do. these guys, and they just take them. They put them in a van, they take them to the front lines. It would get real, it would get real for us very quick if they started doing that in America. Look at this poor guy. Just take them away. I got to even look that young. No, they're not that young. The average age right now of Ukrainian soldiers is 45 years old, because they killed off all the young ones. Right. So now you're that dragonway, these older guys. And it's, and the crazy thing about this is, that's the list he's now going around Europe because I can say that the majority went into Russia and then, you know, about half of them and the rest went to Poland and Germany. So now he's going around Europe and he's saying send them back. Like he wants, he wants the men, the young men who escaped to be forcibly sent back by other European governments to force them to go fight. A war they cannot win. They there's, it's impossible. They have no ability to win this war, but they're like he's throwing him into a woodchipper. Right. And he's just getting rid of all women. And now he just made a statement the other day, that in order to, because they now need workers, in order to replace that population that has died during the war at his hand, he wants to bring up men from Africa, migrant workers from Africa, and bring them into Ukraine to replace the population that's been killed off from the war. So that's fucking bananas. It's crazy. And it's happening like in real time and no one says a damn thing about it. Right. No, what is Russia doing though? Like as far as their fighters, I heard they were emptying prisons, giving people the option to leave prison to go fight. That may be true. I've not heard that, but I would not be surprised if that were true. I know that Russia has not suffered. So our media has really lied about the Russian losses. And I base that not on anything the Russians say. I base that on the bodies when they're returned. So what they'll do is they do these body swaps where, and they do them about a couple of times a month. And the Russians bring all the dead bodies that are Ukrainian and the Ukrainians bring all the dead bodies that are Russians. And then they swap and they take them away to go bury their dead. And they'll swap 100 Russians for 6,000 Ukrainians, 10,000 Ukrainians. Like the numbers, if you look up the numbers, and our media does report these numbers, it's just there's no images associated with it. So people are just taking people's head. But if you look at the body swaps, it's not even close. I think Russians are not losing men the way Ukrainians are losing. And then I will say this, you know, people will say, oh, there's a Putin lover. Putin has conducted this war in a way that other countries would not have. And when I have talked to people who are Russian, not in the government, just Russians, they'll say the thing is that Putin's been very gentle with Ukraine compared to how he would be with another country. So he's moved very slowly. He has not carpet bombed by any means. They haven't flattened cities. Like if the US were going to war in there, we just carpet bombed everything. Like if we did to the Iranians. Like how what they did to Gaza or they did to Gaza, right? Putin could do that in a minute, but he chooses not to, because he also sees Ukrainians as Russians, right? Again, most of them are ethnically Russian and speak Russian. 300 years ago, Kiev was the capital of Russia. Right. So it's, we have a very, I mean, this whole concoction of what Ukraine looks like and Russia looks like. Like this is all a 30, 40-year-old model. This is not, this is not the traditional thing. Right. And so he's, he's been, I think, pretty patient in this process of not just running over these people. I heard him say in a speech once that a lot of the homes in some of these Donbass areas are 300 years old. He's like, those can't be replaced. Like why are we going to go and just blow everything up? Right. Yeah. I mean, it's like if we can imagine Russia was putting a fucking bio-up in his labs in Mexico. Right. And you don't want me. I don't know because China's kind of doing shit with Mexico, right? China's kind of like funding the cartels down there. Oh, absolutely. Giving them precursors for chemicals and for fentanyl and all kinds of stuff. That's like 20 years old. All that, all that. Oh, they've been doing that for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Like all the meth that was coming from coming up from Mexico was all from chemicals in China. Right. Right. Interesting. And we're not, does it seem like we're doing shit about that? No, do anything about it. But the difference is is that we don't seem to mind when they're just poisoning poor people in America. Right. So you fentanyl is like, it's so sad. Like you go to any small town. And it's like the entire population is gutted by fentanyl. Our government doesn't care. But if we thought they were going to release the measles into the country, they'd be freaking out. Right. Because they might actually get into their schools and hurt their kids. Yeah. You know, yeah, I just had this dude on the other day who was a game warden, a wildlife game warden in northern California. And they came across one day. They found one of their streams was dried up and like, what the fuck was going on with this? Like this is weird. Usually in that case, someone will be like diverting water to fill a pool or something like that. So they went out, they found it. And they found the whole thing was diverted with like pipes and shit. And they followed it. And there was a cartel operation in the woods of northern California doing a giant marijuana cannabis grow out there. And they came, they pulled up on them like behind the woods, behind the trees. And they saw these guys patrolling the crops armed with like AK-47 style guns. And shit like that. And they ended up getting in multiple shootouts with the fucking Siddalo cartel in the woods in Mexico. And now he's saying they're also in Montana doing this. And they can't get, they can't get any federal help. It's all like local. And they're like the game wardens are having to go train with like the Navy and shit and learn how to like do, you know, arm to combat. Yeah. It's, it's totally nuts. And that's again, that's been going on for a long time. So 20, 30 years ago, that was going on in New Mexico. So the Heila National Forest, which is down in New Mexico. I remember as a, I was a 22 year old reporter out there covering stories. And there was a guy telling me, yeah, you got to be careful where you are. Because if you come on, the on these things, they have these huge marijuana grows in here. And they'll kill you, you know. And so you imagine, could you imagine if China had some country like doing cartel operations in their backyard, they'd be wiped off the face. They would have never happened. No, would never happen. And the thing that's so crazy about it is like these guys are, would not be hard to stop. They're again, yeah, they have AK 47s. We have national guard and military who could take them out immediately. Exactly. No problem. And don't tell me that we can't find them because we're surveilling everything all the time. Right. So we could find them if we wanted to. But we don't want to. It's, it's not important to, to us at all. Yeah. It is. So it's just crazy that this shit is happening right here in our own backyard. And it's like everyone in every politician, they just want to worry about everything that's going on overseas and in the Middle East. And everyone here just has to sit back and, and suffer the shit. It's crazy. It is. And, you know, back to what you were saying about Ukraine, like the, the whole thing with the bio weapons labs that were set up there. And like, you know, Victorian Newland has famously been like, known for like being behind all the corruption in Ukraine and trying to use Ukraine as this like, Ukraine's been in this like historic tug of war with the US and Russia. And going back to like the, the color revolution, the orange revolution and all that stuff. And like, trying to control the resources. And apparently, they have like trillions of dollars of natural resources there that we want to control. And we don't let, I think Lindsey Graham said something like, oh, we need all their resources. We can't let China get those trillions of dollars of minerals. We need to get those trillions of dollars of minerals. And at the same time, at the same time, we have a biological labs there, but they aren't for weapons there for defending against biological attacks or something like that. Like, it's like, it's nonsense. How are we supposed to believe all this shit? It's nonsense. So the bio weapons story is interesting. So in 2022, I was one of the first people who covered that story. And I actually found a reporter who two years before that had actually been reporting on it in Ukraine. And she had talked about the fact that there were 30, 40 of these labs that were set up. And one thing that she had mentioned in her reporting, the, all the Americans who worked in those labs, because they were Americans who were working in those labs. It wasn't just Ukrainians. Every single one of them had diplomatic immunity. Now, if you're just creating stuff for you're like, Oh, we're just trying to make sure that you know, we don't get into outbreak of SARS or polio or something. Why would you need diplomatic immunity for that? But they all have diplomatic immunity to be able to work there. The other thing is there were a lot of reports just before 2014. So right before Yanukovych, who was the democratically elected leader that we helped to overthrow, before he was removed, he actually announced an investigation into those bio labs because there were reports of measle outbreaks, Ebola, a number of different diseases that broke out in the community surrounding those labs. And so people were getting, rightfully so upset saying, what are they doing in these things? We're having these weird outbreaks of disease in our communities. Yes. So he ordered an investigation and threatened to expel all of the members of the US who were in those working in those labs from the country. And it was only a matter of money. months before that color revolution happened. I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I believe it was a strong reason for it. And that's never been reported outside of Ukraine. It was reported in Ukraine, but not outside. That's fucking nuts, too. By the way, also interestingly about bio-labs, taking us back to our friend Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. A lot of emails about the bio-labs in Ukraine. Emails with Epstein? Oh yeah. So in Ukraine, Epstein is writing about the fact that he had sperm modification, experiments going on, human cloning, experiments going on. He has emails about this. And he's writing to one of his, we don't know who it is, 'cause they're all redacted. He's writing to someone talking about how his funders, who were helping to fund this, wanted to be super careful that their names were not included in any emails or any conversations. Because it was very sensitive work that they were doing. Here's one, yeah. This is the embryo. Embryo. Was nine months great, can you zoom in a little bit? I like implant embryo A zero. Wait nine months, great ending. Other updates. Proceeding with more mouse testing at my Ukraine lab. Surgery's micro injections, amateur and Mississippi has been testing human sperm modification. Just fluorescent tagging so far, doesn't work for my purposes yet. Amateur and Mississippi has been testing human sperm modifications just for less than tagging, for just fluorescent tagging purposes yet this weekend, I'm heading to a something, there's a link there. Biohack the planet, oh my god, dude. Yeah, drop site news report on something related to this, where he was actually working with NSA, hackers to hack the human genome or something like this to figure out how to make super babies or whatever. And well, super babies and/or there is a lot of conversation in these emails about black market babies where they wanted to breed and grow babies for black market purposes. Oh my god. So I think he was doing both things. I think that he was working to create what he thought were going to be like super humans through some of this testing. And I think he was also trying to create a supply of babies that could be used for other purposes. For there, a cult rituals. Oh my god, man. Yep. It was back to what you said earlier. Oh, it comes back to Epstein set off. Yeah, really. And it's not because Epstein's the center of it. It's that all these things are going on. And Epstein was very good at his job, which was to insert himself into all these things that were going on. So he's not the sun that everything's rotating around. He is more like a virus that everywhere he goes, he's trying to inject himself into it. Yes, that's a great way of putting it. I remember spending like two nights on a row ripping through all of his emails with Steve Bannon because that relationship really intrigued me. I was like, it's so weird that the day Trump fired Bannon in the first time, he literally got in his car. It went straight to New York to me with Epstein. I had to film those videos with him because man had in town home. And I read probably the first 100 emails that Epstein sent to Bannon, he was so desperate to meet with him. And Bannon was just ducking him at every last turn. Like Epstein would say, in the morning he'd say, in Palm Beach could it be in New York, these dates or whatever, let's meet up, whatever Bannon would send him like, okay, we'll try. And then like the next email would be like, are you in New York? Are you available to me? And Bannon would email him six hours later, one word letter, no. And it went on like that for months, maybe almost a year. Yeah. Where Epstein was chasing this guy down. And you know, Bannon's an interesting character. Obviously he's a very intelligent guy. He's like scary intelligent. Sure. And the people he's around and the things that he says and the things that he do, the things that he does and the things that he say that he says often are, they don't match up. And I've always wondered like, what's really going on with Bannon? Like where did he come from? And it's really crazy, like this guy got most of his money from Seinfeld. Did he? Yeah. How so? He was the guy that put together the Seinfeld deal. Really? He gets checks every month from Seinfeld. No idea. It's insane. Where this guy's connected. Huh. You know, and you know, one of his most famous things is politics is downstream of culture, which he's dead right about. Yeah. And you know, he's another one that's similar to Epstein where he's everywhere. And you know, I think it makes the most sense that Epstein was like really worried at the end about trying to revive his public persona. Yes. And he wanted to get Bannon there to do that. But if you watch the video of Bannon and Epstein, Bannon's really like going at him, especially towards the end there. He's not being like playing softball. No, he's not playing nice guy at all. Yeah. He's like, do you think you're the Satan? And he's like, I have a good mirror. Yeah. So I don't know, Bannon's a spooky one to me, man. I just don't know much about him other than to say that I agree with the concept that Bannon understands middle America politics better than anybody in Washington. He understands what people want to hear. He understands their plight. He understands. I mean, he's the only reason Trump got elected to 2016. The stuff Trump talked about was considered completely-- what is it, persona non-grata? Like, you could not talk about it. You could not talk about things like NAFTA and jobs and immigration. You could not bash the wars. All of that came from Steve Bannon saying, this is the position that you've got to take. And I think to a lot of people in the political class, it was risky or foolish, but he knew exactly what he was doing. I think that whoever ran the campaign in 2024 went back to that. They leaned back into it. Susie Wiles, I guess, was the one who actually ran that campaign. Yeah. 100%. So to me, Bannon's an interesting character, because again, I think he understands that. I don't think his time at Breitbart was necessarily great after Andrew, because Andrew was a real one. Andrew Breitbart was-- Yeah. He was something else, man. He was-- I don't know much about him. He was, I think, one of the real OG guys who would have been considered the conspiracy guy. But he saw it all. Like, he saw the Clintons for what they were. He saw the apparatus in DC for what it was. And it was out of that Andrew Breitbart that we got Ben Shapiro, who obviously has spun out into clearance sanity. And we had Steve Bannon, who ultimately took it over for him. But if Andrew Breitbart were not dead, I think that we would have seen a very different-- Maga would have been different, stronger, really, more of a conscience. Charlie Kirk weren't dead. Maga would be different, stronger, more of a conscience. Like, some of those guys who have been like the real-- they're not political. They're principled are the ones who disappear. The more principled they are, the less likely they are to be able to survive it. Yeah, what is your whole take on the Charlie Kirk thing? That's such a crazy. That was like a big, no pun intended turning point in the last year. Oh, for sure. Well, look, I always tell people as a journalist, my job is the what, not the why. I can't always tell you why, but I can tell you what. And I can tell you that, first of all, with Charlie Kirk alive, there would be no war with the run because he stopped at the first time. It was supposed to have happened last year when Trump did the Operation Midnight Hammer and just ended up just blowing up the nuclear facility that was empty. He used the mother of all bombs, right, the bunker busters. Yeah. Charlie Kirk went to the White House, sat with Trump and said, don't do this. Like, this is a mistake. You'll lose your base. You'll lose these people. After Charlie Kirk is no longer around, all of a sudden, we're sucking a war with the run. Thomas Massey was Charlie Kirk's favorite congressman. Has the highest-- Was he really? I mean, these are Charlie Kirk's words on air. My favorite congressman, right, because he is the most principled, most conservative, sticks with the Constitution. Turning Point USA has something called the Turning Point Action Score. And it's based on your voting record and how conservative and how aligned with the Constitution you are. Thomas Massey has the highest score of all time among any member of Congress on that Turning Point Action Score. But without Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA refused to endorse Thomas Massey. This year. Wow. Yeah. Even though he still holds their highest action score, and as someone rightly pointed out, so what's the point? What's the point of having a score at all? If the guy who has the highest score of what you say his value was a congressman, you then say, well, we're not going to endorse you. Because the president doesn't like you so we don't like you. Right. And so I can tell you about those watts. Yeah. - As far as the actual Charlie Kirk's death, I can tell you that the Tyler Robinson story makes no sense. - Yeah. - There's no way Tyler Robinson is the guy who shot him. He's just ridiculous. There's so much stuff that gets glossed over like, when the shooting happened. - I haven't heard that name in so long. - Tyler Robinson? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, remember the day that it happens, there's some older man who stands up and puts his hands up and says it was me, it was me, it was me, whatever happened to that guy. Oh, he was confused. He was confused. - Was he also at some other crazy event? - I think he was. - Yeah, I think he was at 9/11. He was at some other crazy big event like that. Some big, some big, like mass death event. - Huh. - It might have been 9/11. - Might have been. I don't know, I don't know for sure. I just know this guy gets glossed over. Like, that was nothing. He was some guy who was confused. He was confused and he thought he'd killed Charlie Kirk. Like, that's not confusion, that's distraction. What was this? Tyler Robinson climbing up on a roof, first of all, the shot they have of him, which they AI enhanced, which is, I mean, that alone, if you're a defense attorney, like anything that's AI enhanced should be thrown out. - The shot was AI enhanced. - So the original shot of him walking up to the building in his, that t-shirt and everything, but they had the original picture and then they AI enhanced it. The AI enhancement does not look like the original picture. - Really? - Yeah, it's like the face is different. - Pull that up. - Pull that up, the original photo of Tyler Robinson comparing into the building. - Going into the building. And if you look at the AI version of it, his face is different. - Really? - Yeah. - It's not like, dramatically different, but it's different enough that you'd say, how do you know that's the same person? - Right. - Also, then you claimed when it's he got up on the roof, he changed his clothes. - Right. - So the clothes he's wearing when he walks into the building is not the clothes he's wearing when he's on the roof. So what was the point of showing us the picture of him walking into the building? Then you claimed that he was walking in without a gun because he had a hidden on him and he assembled the gun. - Right. - And then this assembled it, put it back in his backpack after. - And then climbed off the roof and then ran into the woods and reassembled it and left it there. Like what? And then the last thing that's the most interesting thing to me is I don't know if you've seen this and we should pull this up too. Apparently, apparently, the remember he writes this message to some group online or like a Facebook group or something, where he's like, hey guys, it's me Tyler, I'm the one who did it, I killed. Apparently this message is sent after he's in custody. - Really? - Yeah. - So you should pull that up too because it was on some sort of like private forum or something. - Yeah. - Or Discord, right? - Yeah. - So is this the photo we're talking about? - So this is the photo. So there's two versions of it, right? And there's a version of him when he's walking up the stairs. - Walking up the stairs in and then the one that the FBI used when they said they found him had been AI enhanced. So his face was different. - Hmm. Stephen, Stephen, when you type this in Google, yeah, yeah, AI enhanced versus-- - Oh yeah, they go. See those two pictures. - Hold what? Click on that, click visit underneath that ex post. I wanna see what they say about this. This is why you shouldn't pass an AI enhanced version of a low resolution photo. None of the AI generated versions of this look like Tyler Robinson. You would have slowed down the efforts of finding him because we'd be looking for the wrong guy. Okay, now click on. Whoa, so that's the original one. - Right. - It's like five bit compared to these other ones. - Correct. - Now go to his actual photo. Okay. Also, the FBI has claimed that Tyler Robinson's family was the ones who turned him in. They convinced him, remember to turn himself in. His family, I know two reporters who have talked with the family extensively, who say the family says, none of that is true. - Really? - They did not turn him in, that is not true. The FBI says it, they made statements about it. They did not, they did not. So, I mean, there's a lot wrong with the story. Yeah, and obviously, you've seen the videos, I don't know what's true or not, the guy who tugs his arm. And there's a lot of claims about like a hidden gun in the hand. - I was also playing that strike or phone. Was it explosive? - Yeah. - Or something like that. - But, you know, isn't hard to believe when you can make all a page or blow up. - Not hard to believe at all. - Also saw something, and I don't know how true it is, but I also saw something when the Pakistan negotiations were taking place. - Yeah. - And Vance and his team were there. Somebody posted on X and said, don't know who it is, but seven of the nine mobile devices that were at the Charlie Kirk, the day Charlie Kirk died that were at that location are right now registering in Pakistan. - I saw the, don't know, I don't even know how they would know that. But I thought it was very interesting. And then there's a bunch of other things too, right? Remember there's some kind of a private plane that takes off shortly afterwards. - Yeah, the Egyptian plane stuff. - Yeah, I mean, there's just a lot wrong with the story. And I think we're living in a moment. - The problem is there's too many threads. There's too many threads, you know, you can get lost. And it's intentional, right? So I've told people for a long time, disinformation, real disinformation, right? Is not the person who's putting out the wrong theory. There is a concerted tactical effort that's made online. And this has been going on for over 10 years. Where when people start to get close to something, a particular story will be flooded with information that's really bad. And it gets crazier and crazier and crazier. - That's another great man in quote. He says, exactly what you're saying. He said, you flood the zone. Then you don't know what's true and not true. And people become exhausted at trying to parse what is true and not true. Just like you said with the Epstein stuff earlier. So what happens? So you get exhausted by it so you say, no one's talking about it. - People just disengage. It's too much work. - It's too much stuff. - There's too many threads to follow. It's too much work to actually, if you really want to find the truth, to actually go fucking dig up every source and really interrogate this story, like down to the root of it, is you're right. It's so exhausting, especially in today's day and age where this just constant fucking, we're getting battered over the head with new shit every single second. So then the other way you deal with it is you just say, whatever the authority says, is what it turns into. So they accomplish their same goal, which is we can't defeat the internet, but if we flood the zone, if we make it so confusing that people can't even deal with it, then they just say, you know what? - The truth can be out there, but it is. - No one's gonna pick that needle out of the haystack. - How do you find it? So in the case of Tyler Robinson, I think now what's a little bit different for him is, so you have a trial. So let's see what comes out in the trial, or is the jury pool already so tainted in believing that it was you, that there's nothing that's gonna change their mind. Who knows? I have no idea who his lawyer is, I don't know how good he is, but I feel like, look, the fact that Joe Kent, who was the counterterrorism domestically, right, said that he would testify at that trial is a big deal. - And of course he was demonized for it. How dare you want to help? He's like, I, he wanted to help with that. And he said, on an interview, I think with Tucker was, he said that they waved him off. They said, we don't want you to help with this. - Because he wanted to know, he wanted to investigate whether or not the Israelis had any role in it. - Yes. - And they said, no, FBI shut it down. I don't even know how to do that. - He has the authority to shut it down. - I think he said for it. - He didn't even say Israeli. - He didn't say Israeli. He said for it, but that's what he was looking at. - He's very, he's been very, very measured and very balanced about this stuff. - He is. - He is. And I don't think he's like, there's a Jew under every rock. I don't think he's like, he's not that guy at all. But I do think that, look, if there's a foreign power that is going to kill Charlie Kirk, that's where you would start. - That's where definitely where you would start. - Because they're very good at killing people. Right? Let's give him a sod credit. They're good at killing people. I mean, the major thing, pretty brilliant. - You make everyone with pictures in five years and if I can civilization, I'll wear up. - It's good stuff, man. If that's what you do for a living, which is what they do for a living. Yeah, they're very good at it. But also you have to be in a environment where everyone's complicit, right? So you have to have the feds who are complicit in it. They're not going to make noise. You have to have a media that's complicit in it. So if you said the Russians killed Charlie Kirk and there was any evidence, you don't think, you think they would have blocked his investigation? No way. They'd say, "Go get him, Joe, go get him." If you can prove that Putin's hiding behind the thing and then he's like, "Get Nate." Yeah, you know, they'd be all about that. They'd love that. If they thought that she was back there and he's like, "Take him out." Absolutely. The only reason they got upset was because everyone knows who is the most likely suspect. Doesn't mean they did it, but who's the most likely suspect? - Yes. - Because Charlie Kirk didn't have an issue with those other countries, but he sure had an issue with Israel. And then what about the butler shooting? - Yeah. That one's another one. - That's just another one. - That's another one. - It's another easy, never heard another thing about that. - But you never heard anything about this guy at all? - No. - And then Tucker put out a documentary, like a 30 minute thing on his YouTube channel, where the government was originally saying there's nothing on this guy. This guy has no online footprint, nothing. And Tucker found all this stuff, of this guy posting videos on these private forums, asking questions about shooting guns and shit. Lots of shit with this guy online that was never talked about once and we never got any answers. Remember that the day it happened They also claimed that he had a van full of explosives and they said what happened to that van because that was part of the original Reporting on it so were they wrong was it not explosives no one ever explained like what happened to this was that supposed to go off No, I never explained what happened to the to the guy who was on the other water tower So there was he was up on a roof But there was someone up on a water tower. Is that proven there was a guy on the water tower? There's video I heard there's video though. There is yeah, there's I mean it's very small little figure up there But here's the other thing Thomas Crooks the guy who takes the fall for it. All right. There's no question He has a gun the part of that story that never made sense that we reported on was why was it he was up there for three minutes with People pointing at him right saying that guy's crawling on the roof with a rifle and the president's still on stage Yeah, makes no sense at all. Yeah, but here's the craziest part of it to me that Thomas Crooks also The other guy who was hiding in the the bushes outside of Marlago Mm-hmm both those guys were in black rock promotional videos And the guy who just did the White House correspondence thing Was featured in some abc news report as a little scientist who invented a I saw that bro. They're all they're all in in media stuff That's not a coincidence. They're all mk ultra bro. They're all mk ultra much majoring in candidates and they're They specifically picked the people with the crazy public backgrounds that when as soon as it comes out people started digging They're gonna lose their fucking minds. Right. It's not coincidental. There's no way like there's no way They're both in black rock videos and the other guys like You know, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna be a I'm gonna be a scientist and he's on TV like showing his little inventions and then it's like two years later He's running through the way the Hilton with a rifle that he also assembled in a closet by the way Because what is this with these guys who are assembling guns and closets right right and the whole thing with the The mentalist guy being like right there on camera with Trump and Monica the whole thing happens Yeah, like you can't write a better script. Well, and the fact that everyone's like oh my gosh I wasn't even on the same floor. Oh really? No, he's all I know above them So he's not even on the floor that there are so then afterwards when everyone's like oh my gosh We almost lost him again. We really didn't he didn't even get close to that. Oh, and by the way AI enhancement in that video also when he's running down the hall with the gun because when mini Johnson and some of those guys were Reposted the video everybody has like white squares on them. Yeah, cuz it's an AI video because the AI is adding these these elements There's a secret service guy who has a white square on them and the guy was the camera system that does that no No, no, it's it's the AI that was doing it was I was adding things cuz then like it disappears like a like a white square of following them as they go It's a white square that disappears off of him. Oh, it goes to the other guy So it looks like he's running with like this thing and then it disappears Out of his hands and then and then it pops up on somebody else. Yeah, but it was because they enhanced it So stop enhancing it. First of all, here's where I don't get why do we have such shitty video for all these people when your ring doorbell is like 4k 6k I know right and then we see this video, and it's like you can't even make out who's who this reminds me this reminds me We're fucking like rapid fire right now. I love it the missing scientist thing the big general that that fucking top level general They're missing. How does that motherfucker not have a ring doorbell? Right like my 90 year old grandma has a ring doorbell You're telling me a top level five star military general doesn't have a ring doorbell Well, okay So we also been reporting on this thing on the missing scientists There's like 13 of them now right 14 a lot of them are connected Amy asked for that was years ago. Yeah, well was yeah, it was years ago, but I don't know that she's not connected The Amy ask for each thing is interesting because I think she was more involved in the UFO thing Because she's talking about like being tormented and harassed and stuff which from some of the people I've talked to about what this this disclosure that's coming is that's very much a part of that stuff What's more interesting to me are the number of people who were working at Los Alamos in New Mexico because that's like half of them were working at Los Alamos and They all just walked off. Yeah, well lady brought her hair dryer with her. Yeah They just disappear in the middle of the night and they're gone. Like what is that? So are they being rounded up? They may not be dead at all. They may all be sitting in someplace working on this stuff Bro, I had this guy on the podcast their day who was a former scientist for NSA and a CIA In fact fun fun fact, he actually met Carl Sagan in NSA headquarters Sagan had a contractor badge on it. Oh my gosh So he was telling me that when he started working for the NSA doing science shit there He was doing some sort of experiment to put a probe in Venus for with Russia in conjunction with Russia to like measure the atmosphere and Venus and all the stuff They made him sign this incredible NDA like the NDA's they make these people sign that get like top secret access to shit are So crazy to where they even tell you if you violate any of these things in this NDA Or if you become mentally because you have so much top secret information in your head Yeah, if you start to become mentally unstable or if you start to get dementia or Any sort of like psychological mental illness. We started to detect this You're literally signing off that the government may take any sanction necessary To get rid of you. So you're you have you're signing off that you're allowing the government to take your life or You are you have the two options. We're gonna take your life or you have to walk away from your public life Really so yes, and he says this general would have absolutely had to have signed off on one of these things because he had access to the Tippie top programs that were like the spookiest UFO like the tip of the spear when it comes to secret black budget technology This guy had access to all of it. Wow. So He said it's like very very likely that This guy was willing to protect his wife and his family to just walk away from his entire life And that's why he probably took his gun and there's no footage of him on a ring doorbell He probably just like self-self Kidnapped in some way because so did the does that mean that they hold you someplace or do you have no idea what it means? But like but all I know is what he said he was he knows for a fact that the the those crazy NDAs that make you sign when you get access to that stuff You're you're signing away your your right to be taken by the government or be murdered by the government So why make you sign that what's the point of signing that like just kill him Right signed agreement to be like yes, you can kill me. So they said hold up an accordal line. I know right? Yeah, I don't know That's so weird. I don't know why yeah, yeah, they might as well just do it because they're gonna get away with it anyways, right? Yeah, they're gonna say he was depressed. Yeah, we whacked him, but he saw look at this piece of paper Technically, it's not a crime right which maybe that's the point listen to the the 911 call with his wife. Yeah, she sounds extremely calm She does not sound like a woman who just like who's afraid that her husband is missing and he's not like and she's worried She does not sound worried. She sounds extremely calm. She does. I sound panicked at all and She sounds very measured very measured temperament. So Yeah, also a mystery what happened to Samantha Guthrie's mom I don't know but I couldn't get out of my TV for a month UFOs and Iran also and by the way, where is this old lady? No, no, she's like vanished and that's another thing like they have like one shot of like a weird face in the ring doorbell and it's like weirdly most surveilled Nation in the world, right? There's cameras everywhere. Yeah, you tell me you don't have a single shot of like this person other than like this close to their eyeball Right next to the the ring doorbell, right? It's so weird and then did you see that when she read the Statement on air and I can't think of the movie. There's a movie that basically she where where this person's loved one is kidnapped It's not the movie ransom, but it's similar to that where there's this loved one is kidnapped and the the script she reads on air is almost identical Really? Yeah, see if you can find that It's a vanity it's a vanity Guthrie's mom who's missing So Savannah got three read this on her and she read this on air and it was almost word for word The same is what was in this movie Type in Savannah Guthrie public speech Connection to movie. Oh here it is there the viewers and internet sleuths noted that are exact phrasing Nancy is in full of kindness and knowledge Talked to her and you'll see was early similar to our life in the 1991 movie science of the lambs Wow, the senator goes on television to beg for her abducted daughter Catherine's very gentle guy talk to her and you'll see see stuff like that Now that's the I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy realist I guess because a lot of the stuff I report on ends up becoming true Yeah, but that makes me a conspiracy theorist when I see stuff like that because I'm like there's a part of me that thinks You're planting like weird stuff all around us like to make it's like break rums to take you in all these weird directions It's like I'm not saying that, you know, maybe she just happened to have watched "Silence of Lams" at some point said, "I have this great idea of something to say," but it's just so weird to do that. I think I found a foot that shows up. Oh, is it side by side? Give it to me. Full of kindness and knowledge, talk to her and you'll see. Mmm, kind of close, not exactly. Not exactly. Actually, the actress in "Silence of the Lams" was more convincing. Yeah, he actually was. The way that Samantha smiling at the end is so bizarre. Oh, God. Listen, bro. This has been super fun, man. Thank you for doing this. I enjoyed it. This has been awesome. Tell me more about this documentary you're working on. How much work have you done on it when you plan on dropping it and where do you plan on dropping it? Well, we're hoping for an actual theatrical release for it as well as working on, if not streaming. But hoping by this fall, it'll be ready to go. I can't wait to see this, bro. Thank you, man. We'll have to do it again when you get that movie released. Absolutely. Awesome to do it. Um, where else can people find your work? So you can find me on X and Instagram, it's @binswanbeanswain_ and then we're just getting back on you. I was banned from YouTube for like the last 10 years. What? For the pizza gate shit? No. I was actually banned over COVID. Oh, so we got a lot of trouble during COVID, too. COVID was not good for me with YouTube. But we're back, we're finally back on, so we're rebuilding that channel. We had a couple of million people now we're down to like, we're starting with 15,000. So, okay. You can find me there. It's under the bin swan. Perfect. I'll link it all below, brother. Thanks again. Thank you. Good night, everybody.