#354 Reckless Ben - The Internet's Most Controversial Investigative YouTuber

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Any franchise offer is made only after a franchise disclosure document has been provided. Reckless Ben, welcome to the show, man. Yeah, thanks for having me. Excited. Thanks for coming. Dude, you've been in some shit. Yeah. I would say still am. Yeah. Yeah, I saw you got some legal stuff going on. But how long ago did you start this whole thing? Like YouTube? Yeah. So I started slacklining before YouTube, and then I would film myself slacklining and just post it to YouTube, like just doing tricks and stuff. Yeah. And then, I don't know, after that, I was like, I kind of liked like how people would like watch me doing slacklining. So I was like, how can I make this cooler? So then I would do weird stuff where I'd like set up the slackline over like a busy bike path where people were biking underneath me and doing backflips over their heads. Slackline is like you just, it's like a cable that you put in between trees or two or whatever and walk. That's how most people slackline. But I like doing like backflips and like crazy flips and spins on it and stuff. And then once that got boring, it was like, okay, we're like the worst places I can set this up at. So we set up over like spiky rocks, like 20 feet in the air. But then it's like if I fall, only I'm getting hurt. So then we would set up over like a bike path. And then other people would like over. People's heads. If I fall, we're going to cause like a crazy bike accident, you know? So there's like big pressure not to fall. It's like, I really have to be good. You know, it was like a real test of how good I am slacklining. Or we'd step over like mousetraps or like tasers with like rubber bands around them. And I would dress up like Spider-Man and stuff just to make it fun for the video. Holy shit, dude. And then, I don't know. So I started posting stuff like that. And then after that, I don't know. I just moved to California. I moved to California for slacklining. And California is big for Scientology. And I was like, what goes on inside? And I would always Google it. And I couldn't find anything. I was like. That was your first thing? Yeah. That's a big one. And I was homeless living in my car at the time. Because I just was like, I just want to go out to California. You know, I just want to live out there and just become the world's best slackliner. You know, I'll just live in my car and just train slacklining every day so I didn't have a house or anything. It's like all my energy. I just want to. But put into being the best slackliner ever. And then, so I was like, at this point. Because I heard that like Scientology will like sue you or they could even like just like try and ruin your life. I was like, I have no life. So how can they ruin my life? You know? So, because that was the reason why. Because there's all these like documentaries that have like million dollar budgets, you know, that try and like find out what goes on inside. And they can never do it. But I think it's because they had something to lose, you know, because they could get sued and they have money to lose. But me, I was like. I have nothing to lose. I can go in Scientology and what are they going to do to me? You know, I'm already living in my car. Like, how can my life be good? There is a saying, never mess with somebody that doesn't have anything to lose. Yeah, it's been my whole YouTube career. Yep. That's how I get away with everything. Because I've, yeah, I just, I'm such like a minimalist, I guess. I don't need anything to be happy except for doing fun stuff. That's a good way to live, dude. Let me give you an introduction here. Reckless Ben. You're an investigative documentary creator and YouTuber at the forefront of a new wave of independent investigative journalism. Your investigations have taken you inside Scientology, 12 Tribes, McKamey Manor, and Provo Canyon School, documenting allegations of abuse, manipulation, and exploitation. Most recently, you've investigated allegations of human trafficking and sexual abuse connected to the ideal living controversy, pushing the boundaries. And you've also been a part of the criminal investigation team at the National Security Service. I don't know about this one, but the Yellow Deli. Yeah, it sounds like a restaurant, I guess. No, I know. So, a long time ago when I first moved here, there's this town like maybe an hour south of here called Pulaski. Have you heard of it? No. They have a Yellow Deli there. Well, I think their headquarters are in Nashville, I think. Are you serious? That's where the whole thing like started is in, it's like their home base is Nashville. So, we went. So, Pulaski is in Nashville. Pulaski is an interesting town. And supposedly, like, supposedly it's like where the KKK started. And it's like, it's like, it's a weird spot. And so, before I knew any of that, we were, actually, I don't even know if we moved here yet. I think we were like looking for a place in Tennessee to live. And we couldn't really afford anywhere here. So, we were like. We were like doing the outskirt towns. And we went down there. And I was like, it was weird. Yeah, it was before we moved here. Because we went driving down there. And I was like, dude, I told, it was dark out. I told my wife. I was like, I feel like somebody's going to like pop out of the woods in a hood or some shit. And then we told our realtor the next day that we were down there. She's like, dude, you got to be careful down there. That's where the KKK started. I was like, oh, shit. Well, I guess I wasn't too far off. But is it still like active there? I don't know. But. It's just crazy people, I guess. No, I mean, I think that was like, what, nine years ago. And I have been back there. And it's developed quite a bit from what it was. It's good. But it was dinner time or whatever. And we wanted to stop somewhere and get somewhere to eat. And there was like, dude, there's like nothing in that town at this time. And we ran into this. There was this place called the Yellow Deli. It was like the only place that was open. And so we pulled in, went in. Really odd. Like, it looked like the whole restaurant. I don't know if they all look the same, but the whole restaurant looked like a jungle. Like, it was like you're in the woods or like, not like quite like it wasn't like Rainforest Cafe, but it was just odd. You know what I mean? Like, it looked like you were kind of. They'd set it up to make it, make it look like it was in the forest scene or something. Like Peter Pan, actually. And we ate and the waiter came around and he was just. Everybody in there was weird, man. It was really odd. And so I started talking to the waiter and he kept referring to his boss as the authority. Well, I wouldn't have been. What's the authority? And. And. And probably the weirdest place I had ever eaten. And it was almost like a recruitment thing, but it was like, oh, man, I got to we got to run that. I don't know where I'm going next. We got to the authority will tell me. And I'm like, what is the authority? Like, what are you talking about? And everybody there was just a little off, like the stairs, how they treated you, like weird, shitty eating grins and smirks on their faces. And that's the thing I noticed. And once you like live there for a little bit, you can kind of tell that they're all miserable because they're all overworked. They have no sleep. They're just kind of like, OK, like we're being tortured right now, but it's OK because that's going to get us into a better afterlife. You know, like if we have miserable lives now, but it'll be worth it in the end. But they have to pretend to be happy at the Yellow Deli because that's where they're recruiting you. So there are these miserable people that have to put on a smile and. You can kind of tell when someone's like faking a smile like that. It comes off as like creepy, you know, they seem drugged. Yeah. I don't think they are because they was like, but it was a very like very hippie kind of vibe. They don't do drugs, though. They're all sober. Like like in a trance, like not not like high on like opiates or anything. I was there. They had us work. It was like 12 hour manual labor in the hundred. Well, I was there like during one of the hottest. but it was $100,000. degrees and i don't know if everywhere's like this but we had i was like shoveling like things for like 12 hours a day and then after that then you have to go to the restaurant and work for another like couple hours so everyone was just like dead um so hold on obviously i'm personally curious on this one because we went there and i i still talk about this because it was such a weird experience me and my wife left there we're like what like what is that like what who is the authority and what the hell is going on in there you can tell it's a cult yeah so yeah how did it pop on your radar so one of my friends his name's danny burke i was doing a couple videos with him he's just like some surfer dude from san diego and he knows that i was like i did the scientology video and that was like a cult and i did some other things that were cult related and he's like dude i got a pretty crazy cult you could infiltrate i just went to this restaurant with my uh girlfriend and we think it's a cult and same experience and i i just looked i was like no like i'm like i'm like he's oh you're probably exaggerating or whatever i'm like there's no way you just have like a bad restaurant experience maybe i had like a bad wait or something you know and so i was like skeptical and we were just talking i was like yeah yeah okay you know and then i'm like okay he's like it's on the way home just go and like eat there on the way home you know so as i'm driving back to los angeles we stopped there and then within like 30 seconds i'm like i think this is a cult you know this is crazy uh like our waiter came he's like i love you you know and we're like oh okay like we're already having these like intimate deep conversations and he's like you have to come back to the farm with us you know and i'm like i just met this guy like we like two minutes ago and he's saying he loves me it was just weird i don't know um but so we definitely got like a bunch of like red flags and i started looking it up and then i was like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god and then i saw like all the abuse that happens and stuff and all the crazy brainwashing that goes on and what they're i started studying their beliefs i was like maybe i could do a video on this this would be interesting you know just so i kind of live there for a couple weeks and just see what they believe you know and like why does this exist i guess was kind of my thought process on doc tell me about it how'd you get in they just invited you yeah you said come back to the farm so we went back to the farm with them that and that night yeah and then i was like oh my god i'm back to the farm and then he said so it was me and danny doing it so we had spy glasses because we wanted to like document it and so the thing with spy glasses they only last like an hour and a half so we had i think like four pairs with us but then you have to charge them and they don't have any electricity there so danny said that he was like dog sitting so i would actually spend the night and i slept there for like three weeks uh and then danny would be like oh i'm dog sitting like i already have this prior commitment like the dog will die if i don't go to the farm and i'm like go back home i have to feed it food but really he was just going back to charge the spy cameras and so we did that for like three weeks um what was i mean so what are you doing there what are the living conditions so most of it was manual labor um we had to and obviously we have to run this farm and there's like 20 people running this huge farm uh so that way they can have food for the restaurant so we're constantly digging and i was a guy so i was like constantly like digging and doing like the manuals um and then we all lived in a yurt so it was a giant yurt and there was like probably 20 of us they all had bunk beds and so we just all slept in one room together what do they talk about um so they believe in the same bible that christians believe in uh but they just have a very weird interpretation of it so they're talking about like what god was actually meaning by these like verses and i grew up uh i heard you're catholic right yeah so i grew up catholic also i went to a catholic school first through eighth grade and so i was taught one version of the bible and their version is just like the weirdest version i've ever heard in my life like it's so strange uh it's i don't know like um like i guess for example some of the weird stuff that they believe is like um obviously they were like the kkk is like good the kkk is like the kkk is like basically the kkk is good yeah because they were like one of the things they told me was peak america was when slavery happened and the only that's why they're on pelaski yeah that makes that's no shit but they they told me that america was awesome and exactly how god wanted america to be until slaves got freed and that's 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role that was like a huge thing so then we like uh like obviously like we want it to be like entertaining and funny so we made like parody tiktok accounts for ourselves like we pretend to be like famous tiktokers like me and danny so his on his tiktok account we made like a parody tiktok account he's like you know what i think it's good that women have the right to vote you know and then on my tiktok i'd be like like women belong in the kitchen like if a woman wants to go out and have a job that's bad women shouldn't have jobs you know and then we'd show them our tiktoks and they're like oh danny like you should you should get off social media social media is evil and stuff but they're like but ben you're actually saying some good messages you know you're like maybe you should keep doing tiktok you know it was just like funny like how they would react to our social media presence. it's like normally people would say i'm the bad guy you know for doing that and they would be like oh danny's is fine you know he's like he's just saying stuff like i think women should be able to vote you know but they're like oh that's that's the bad tiktok you know so so how do they how do they suck these people in um the yellow deli i think people go to the restaurant and the food's really good like uh i mean i don't know if you liked it but i really really like the food there was no pesticides it's all organic um like handmade you know and it's amazing food it's cheap too because they don't pay the workers so uh um yeah because they their uh their payment is heaven i guess like eternal life in heaven so uh yes you can get really good food for really cheap um and then people are like oh this is awesome you know and uh they're like oh come back to the farm and then they uh we we did like a whole like 12 step plan of like how to join a you know, so they basically make you feel like like you're the most special person in the world and like we knew it was love bombing going into it and it still worked on us we were like i mean it feels good when people are constantly telling you how awesome you are you know and they're like you finally found like the right place and they make you feel like like all 20 or 30 of them like love you and you're finally accepted into a family and say you like grew up without like the best like loving family which a lot of these people probably didn't like they grew up in like a bad family that didn't love them and so for the first time they feel loved by people and you kind of let your guard down you know and now your guards let down you're more easily manipulated i guess that worked on you yeah and we knew it was a cult and we still got brainwashed kind of are you serious how did you know you were brainwashed i don't know because they kept saying things like uh if you're just told stuff like every single day you kind of start to believe it i think it's you've probably heard that metaphor it's like show me who your top four friends are and i'll tell you what type of person you are you know like you are like the people you surround yourself with i think it's just how our brains work so if you're just told the same lie over and over you kind of start to believe it i guess so after like week three of me living there because i i kind of lost sense of like what was happening on the outside world like this was my new reality now you know and i kind of started to believe like my mission is to work on a farm you know like do you know i kind of started to believe like my mission is to work on a farm you know like do you know i kind of started to believe like my mission is to work on a farm you know like do you know like do you know i kind of started to believe like my mission is to work on a farm you know like this is my mission because that's what everyone was telling me the whole time is like your mission is to work on this farm that's gonna make you happiest in life um and yeah they were like uh also we had this whole backstory where because we got invited to a wedding and so i thought it'd be really funny if i had a wedding there so because like it was really they had all these like weird rituals they did for the wedding so i was like oh it'd be funny if like i had a wedding there so we told them that uh i had a fiance and it was this her name is lydia and she's chinese and that was a big problem with them that we were mixing the races together like they were like oh if you have a kid with a chinese woman like it the kids gonna come out deformed like they treat it like incest you know like like your kids gonna have like all these deformities and stuff which we actually looked it up and i think the science of like interracial like kids it actually makes like for better genetics i think from what like science shows but they were like oh your kids did come out all like deformed and stuff and you're gonna have like a mutant kid and stuff like you have to keep like the race pure you know and so they like tried to like break us up but i started to believe that like maybe this girl like wasn't even good for me you know and i was like maybe she is bad because i was just hearing it every day for like three weeks and we actually had a story like we uh had her die off in the story like uh we told them that she had a gay thought once because they're like super against like homosexuality and stuff so like one time uh i we were walking down the street and she told me that she thought another girl was hot she was like oh that girl's hot and like oh well god hates that and then like god's gonna punish her for that so the next day i was like so uh uh yeah she's like dying of pneumonia and like oh yeah yeah because she had that gay thought that one time she thought that girl was hot so god's punishing her and then the next day we were like oh yeah she like died and they like started celebrating i did like a bunch of like this like circle dance like celebrating her death and are you serious that was crazy uh it was pretty insane wow um there was a little bit more to it i guess there was a part two where i was like yeah they don't believe in medicine that's another big big part because we were like the doctor said all she has to do is like take this like pneumonia medicine she'll just be better tomorrow like in like an hour it's like no you tell her she can't take the medicine that's like evil like like medicine is like a man-made creation like if god wants her to survive like god will like uh he'll like heal her so like if she's dying like god wants her to die and like by her taking medicine that's like humans intervening with god's plan i guess is what they were taught which is weird because when i was in catholic school uh there was this parable that they told us where there's like a flood and uh and he prays to god and god says i'll i'll i'll save you you know and then a guy comes in on a boat and he's like hey like i'm here to save you and the guy's like no no it's okay god already told me he saved me and so he's like okay and the boat leaves and then the boat leaves and then a second guy comes on a boat and then uh the guy's like hey i'm here to save you and stuff like from this flood and the guy's like no like god's already said it's all good like you can leave you know and then a third guy comes up same thing and then finally like i think the flood's getting really bad and then he's like praying to god he's like hey god like when are you gonna come save me and then god's just like i sent you three boats yeah i've heard it's like uh before too oh that's what came to my mind with that i think the same thing with medicine it's like you know it's like i mean like god created humans to be smart so we can make medicine so shouldn't we use it like i don't know are you still catholic uh i don't know i've been in so many like different like religion i've studied so many different religions and cults and stuff and it's like i think my ultimate conclusion is i'm too stupid to know what the real answer is like uh the analogy i like to think about a lot is like say you have uh like the internet right like that's this crazy complex thing that an ant is never able to understand and like say say you try and like talk to an ant and you're like hey look at the internet like you can like this is how it works it's like the ants not even to be able to under like begin to understand how complex and crazy this thing is you know it it doesn't mean the internet doesn't exist it just doesn't it's just how's the ant gonna understand that i kind of think the same thing with god it's like it's so complex and crazy like how is like my human brain to be able to understand what goes on and so i'm kind of just like open to anything i think you know um i try to i try to use the teachings i learned in catholic school a lot i think it's very helpful with uh like being a good person and like living the best life possible like i try to treat people how i want to be treated and love people and do nice things not for selfish reasons so you've fallen out of christianity i wouldn't say i've fallen out uh i i think i just don't like saying like i'm a hundred percent sure that this is like correct because i don't know like what if something else ends up being correct you know like uh like someone that's like hindu or some other religion is also 100 that they're correct too you know and so i think if i believe this because that's how i was raised that's how i was raised and i think that's how i was raised is that a real reason for believing you know and when i was looking back at myself it's like i was only believing because that's what i was taught you know and so i'd rather believe something because i believe it not just because that's what was like told to me i guess it's the biggest investigation of all time yeah but i don't know i'm i mean i'm not against any religion i guess i think i think they're all probably just equally awesome i guess um but i don't think there is any way for me to know you know it's kind of like the ant analogy it's like hopefully whatever god is up there can send me enough like i don't think i'll be able to i think it's like too complex for my like brain to understand i don't know i don't think i'll ever know the answers maybe when we die we'll find out i guess but i try to live like a good life you know and stuff and help people out kind of dedicated my life to helping people and uh trying to make other people's lives better when did you start when did you start thinking that when did you start kind of falling away i mean you can't really say you're a christian if you don't believe in christ and you're open to all these other religions so i guess or philosophies or whatever you want to call it so my parents were raised super catholic like my dad was like an altar boy and stuff like my grandparents on both sides are super super hardcore catholic and then my dad started just kind of being like uh i don't know like like i guess we were just taught like like this is what is true because i said so you know um like this is what the bible says and if you question it you're going to hell type of thing you know and so my dad was like well that seems kind of weird i guess so like what if there's like other things you know like other possibilities and so i guess that's kind of how he raised me also so i guess it is kind of you're right it's it's like the same thing i was saying it's like maybe that is just what i believe because that's how i was raised you know but um i don't know so they still sent me to catholic school even though they were like this might not be like basically like 100 reality but it's a good like metaphor you know and i think good values yeah yeah and i think even a lot of catholics would say that about the bible too you know like you can't take everything like literally like it says god created the world in seven days but maybe the seven days are metaphors for like seven time periods that god created the world you know um with like the big bang because they're like okay the big bang didn't happen in seven days so like maybe that was like the seven days or seven different like segments of like the way he created the universe you know um so that's kind of what i was taught is like kind of take it as like a metaphor but it might not be like 100 like word for word 100 true you know because also the bible is just people recalling it you know and like i think there are some contradictions obviously because people's like memories are different you know so if you have four people witness an event all four people are gonna witness it differently they're gonna have different recollections of it so it might not be like one word for word true but is what i was taught i guess but i don't know if it contradicts itself well not contradicts but they're like different what's it called like uh there's different perspectives perspectives yeah and so um which if you do have like i actually heard that's the reason that makes the bible more trustworthy you know because people are like well how do like luke and matthew how do they have like how like they're they're saying two different things happened you know and it's like well you have to think this happened like they wrote the bible like years and years after they witnessed this you know and if you have four people witness an event they're gonna have different like memories of it you know so it's actually more proof that the bible is real because if it was made up then you would expect it to all be the same you know like why would you you know how many times the bible cross-references itself uh how many times 62 over 62 000 times whoa see that thing right there uh rainbow looking arches yeah yeah yeah that's all the time every book and then i think every chapter in each book and those arcs all represent a cross-reference whoa that's sick no other book in the world does that whoa pretty wild i learned some storytelling techniques from the bible but uh so how did you get out of the yellow delhi 12 tribes thing they uh they found us out that we were youtubers i guess oh they found out yeah i don't know how over they they never found out our last names uh we just i just told him my name was ben i think i told him i was a slackliner so i think they look but it's weird because they don't use the internet or anything but i think there's like one guy at the top probably the authority that you were talking about that uh i think they have to use the internet because they're not going to be able to use the internet because they're not a restaurant and they have to so i think like the top guy from what i heard is i'll use the internet so he probably looked at like ben slackline yeah because we were pushing things kind of far like like like we had like this girl died because she had a gay thought one time you know and then like and we were asking him some stuff about like their thoughts on black people and stuff and um i don't know i guess we were being suspicious and but we lasted three weeks and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh i don't know what's going on and we're like i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god they just said hey we i think we're wearing the glasses they look kind of like the ones you're wearing right now and the guys like i see these and then he pulls up the sd card and he's like what's this and just hold the sd card in her face we're like oh man like like we're sorry thing it was like we like did the walk of shame out and they'd like walk us out and because like we kind of became friends with these guys like because my whole thing was like none of these guys were like bad people they were just brainwashed you know um like they genuinely thought that like god hates black people and by them also hating black people they're doing the morally good thing you know because in their eyes that's the morally good thing to do or like by like putting women in the kitchen and they're like oh my god i don't know what's going on and we're like oh my god and not letting them to do anything else and live life you know like that's what god would want so if you let a woman go out and have a job you're evil that's what satan would want you know and they think that's bad so they just have like different morals than like me and you probably have you know um so uh so i i didn't ever think they were like bad people because they're doing what they think is the good thing to do but they're just right so we became friends with them and it was so sad but i don't know so what i mean what happens if somebody does have a baby there so the guys we were talking there's a lot of baby deaths because they're all they're all at home and they're all without pain medicine and yeah they said that god wants women to feel the pain of childbirth i guess um i think that's like a holy thing i guess and yeah i mean we're talking to a lot of people there i mean there's only like 30 people there and it was surprising how many people had kids that died because they were like i mean they should have told us like yeah if we would have had medicine we could have saved our kid but that wasn't god's plan god wanted the baby to die and god works in mysterious ways so we can't question god wow yeah i think that's like a direct quote from my video series was we would have had medicine we could have just saved the baby but yeah it's not what his plan is wow just it was so sad but did you learn how like how because these restaurants are all over that i think they had a map in there and i was like you guys got restaurants and like i remember one in costa rica and then all over the country yeah um i think there's some in australia there's some in i'm not sure if there's any in europe but a lot of them the united states because yeah it's originally from tennessee but there's uh the one in california we're like oh it's close stuff to our house we'll just go to that one and then uh once we got kicked out of that we were actually let's go back because they don't use the internet so then we went back to uh one in colorado which was apparently there's this really uh famous like fire that was like the biggest fire ever in denver it like destroyed like the whole city or whatever and it was started by the yellow deli is what people think so um interesting we lived there for a they caught on to us there so then we got kicked out again but yeah right on man let's talk about provo because it sounds like a big one yeah you got in you you got in just a random email because you read how do you read all your emails well this was before i blew up i guess so i i i only had like a little bit amount of emails compared to uh what i have now so you got a random email but i i i did read every single email that i got when i first put that field up and i was like oh yeah about a like a troubled teen facility in provo utah yeah and the guy's describing it he's like they put kids in solitary confinement they do like they basically will beat you up and like for doing nothing like if you just don't do everything they say you can't talk to anyone like they take away your childhood and the part that like really sold me was he was like when i was there i was hoping to go to jail because that would have been way better and i was like whoa this place is like because you always think of jail as being like the worst place ever so like this place being worse than jail and like a kid's going there just for like smoking weed one time or something like that's insane you know like so it's like uh something that's like not that bad gets you a punishment that's like really really like worse than jail it's like and so i call him like okay let me just call this guy so i call him he's talking to me about i'm like this guy's lying to me like this doesn't exist kind of the same thing with the cult like every time i do these ideas i mean that's what makes a good idea is like when i'm shocked you know because then i'm like this doesn't exist like there's no way and then when i found out it does now i'm shocked i'm like oh i learned something you know i want the audience to also learn this too so i find out that that's probably like all my ideas is stuff that i'm shocked to find out where i'm like i was wrong in something and i'm like oh that's okay that's so you're going after the stuff that's just so outlandish that it's unbelievable yeah yeah and i always say that too in my videos like if i have an idea to like take down a corporation or something so i ever this is how i pitch my ideas i'm like okay so i'll tell like four or five of my friends if they're like that sounds like a really good idea like you should do that then i know it's a bad idea because it's believable um because then if i do it if i tell you i'm going to do this and you're like oh yeah you could do it and i do it then you're not shot you're not surprised but i know it's a good idea when i tell my friends they're like oh no you can't do that that's that's bad like you can't that's horrible there's no way you're gonna pull that off like or you're gonna pull it off because then when i do pull it off then now you're surprised where'd you hear that because that's that's a saying really uh i was just some of the best ideas are making bad or going after bad ideas and making them work really just from experience because i would like tell people ideas and they're like okay and then i don't know because it's just believe but like if you already believe that i can do it then why are you watching like are you you know i can pull it off you want to watch because you don't know how it's going to work out you know that's that's science like uh i was a mechanical engineer so in science you don't test something if you already know the answer you test something that you don't know what the answer is you know because that's why you have to test it so if i pitch an idea my friends are like oh how is that going to turn out like that might go really bad you know then now they're now we have something to test you know it could go good it could go bad uh and yeah i don't know but the provo canyon video was like that i guess because i completely just thought the guy was crazy i'm like oh you're sent you away from them for a month you're exaggerating all this you know and and i turn out to be wrong i guess so what i mean what did he say that made you think it was so crazy just like they'll put you in solitary confinement for like a month um they'll beat you up randomly because the workers are mad um you can't talk to anyone like it just doesn't seem real like oh you have to go to school for like three years of your and the whole time you can't talk to anyone. like it sounds terrible how long was this kid in there uh usually they're in there for like two to three i think he was in there for like three years because it's like your high school like it's uh they advertise themselves as a high school so you can graduate with a diploma but apparently they're faking the diplomas so then you're like oh yeah i got a diploma let's go apply to a college now and the college is like that isn't a real diploma that's like a fake certificate is this place still in operation uh it closed down one day after we posted our video but um yeah that's what i was thinking too i was like there's no like maybe back in like like 50 years ago this could exist but today like this one place we could shut down if this existed today and then we went there and it's still just as bad as he's describing i mean even how you got in there sounds like some pretty extravagant trade craft yeah we we just called him and he was like what's going on and he was like i don't know i don't i don't know what's going on and he was like i don't know what's going on and he was like i don't know what's going on and said like hey take my son and they're like okay and didn't ask for any paperwork well okay we probably like signed like one thing but they didn't ask how old i am they didn't ask for anything i never had to show my id the dad never had to show his id we never showed birth certificate no we didn't verify anything they just said sign this okay you're in okay and you but you had somebody on the inside too yeah i uh so so walk me through the whole process from from idea of we're doing this to your inside so i wanted to apply as a teacher and then i was like shoot they're gonna background check me and find out i'm a i'm a youtuber and they're gonna be like why is this youtuber who like takes down companies gonna want to work for us because they're already like pretty bad in the media paris hilton went to this school and so she she's been like all over the media like shut down provo canyon and stuff she's been trying to work with people to shut them down so they're already skeptical that people are like trying to shut them down so i was like there's no way i'm getting hired to this place uh but this one guy reached out to me on instagram his name's sheldon uh and he was like dude you're my favorite youtuber ever can we please collab like i'll do anything to collaborate with you and i was like i bet this guy would want to work there i was like you want to work at promo canyon school he was like i'm down so he was just some fan that uh i was like i just bought him some spy cameras i just taught him how they worked and i was like i'll pay for your airbnb your travel and uh i don't have money to pay you because i was like broke at the time but i was like you can make money by working there they'll school pay you and i'll cover all your costs and stuff so um and uh and then he was also like really wanted to be a youtuber also so i was like you can make your own valve like can i give you some storytelling techniques you can make your own video on it which he posted on his channel but yeah he he we thought he was gonna be in there for like a week but he ended up being in there for a month like every he just worked there full time for a month at a point we kept making the joke like okay like he's not even investing that he's just actually just like working there now but um yeah he was undercover we had so much footage to go through it was because he was working there every day for like eight hours a day so we have eight hours of footage for a month every day of him working on inside so it was pretty crazy and you were in there too yeah the very end i was able to get in um and yeah we just we we did the same thing we told him that i did so we told him i had like a gay thought because we saw on the website that you could be in there for uh like homosexuality or whatever so we were like out of all the things you get sent there for i thought that was like the least evil thing you know because we're like that way if they like punish me harsh then we can be like oh i didn't even really do anything bad and uh also in utah which is where the school's at uh there's like all these like weird like uh like uh conversion camp bands and stuff like it's like super illegal to like try and like convert someone who's gay so we're like oh that could be a way to shut them down you know if like we can prove that they're still doing like gay conversion there then and then i went there and then there it was actually like pretty progressive they were like um like if you're gay we have to treat you differently and stuff and they're like why are you here i was like yeah my dad thinks i'm gay and stuff and like oh we don't have a problem with that so i didn't even try and convert me to like straight or anything like that and i was like i don't know i don't have a problem with that so i don't have a problem with that so i didn't even try and convert me to like straight or anything they were just so i was like so why am i here then if you guys are like fine with like gay people it was weird uh and what we found out is they just want money i guess so they'll just kind of accept anyone if you pay them because it's not really about helping the kids it's just about helping the guy at the top make money so as long as you're making him money they'll accept you is there a lot of these um yeah i think they're kind of all over uh um they have a bunch of so the one owner has like four or five companies so now that this one shut down i actually snuck back in last week we went back there and because i was just curious like because it shut down and i was like is it just an abandoned building or there's still people there and we went back and there was a bunch of people like unloading books and they said it was going to a sister company i guess so they don't really ever shut down they kind of just move locations and rebrand gotcha i know i talk a lot about preparedness on this show most the time that conversation's about what gun you're carrying what knife you have what your edc is but here's the reality people bleed out from injuries they could have survived all the time and it's not because nobody wanted to help them it's because nobody had a tourniquet on them when it happened it's in the truck it's in a kid at home it's somewhere other than being on your person and that does nothing for you in a parking lot or out on a trail that's why if you've been watching this show for a while you've seen me hand these these tourniquets right here out to guests this is the etq gen 2 from snake staff systems and it's probably the most important thing i carry every day it's about 65 smaller than a standard tourniquet it rides in your pocket or on a belt and you forget it's even there and because of how it's built it works on smaller limbs too that matters if you've got kids and it matters if you're out with your dog i think everybody should carry a tourniquet a bad bleed can take a life in minutes faster than any ambulance is getting to you and the only version of this that actually works is the one that's on you one warning i just want to tell you the internet is full of cheap chinese made tourniquets and counterfeits they're on all the websites they're cheap they look legit they're not and this isn't the type of thing you want to gamble with snake staff is made in the usa get the real thing it's snakestaffsystems.com they're on amazon now too get one for yourself and one for the people you love again that's snakestaffsystems.com so that's the sad thing is like these people are like billionaires like they know how to like get around stuff like so i mean what you got so you meet this guy that wants to be a youtuber he goes down as an employee as a teacher yeah also the funny part is is he's uh his criminal history is so bad like he's not allowed to work with kids um he's like a changed man now like he used to do like heroin and meth and stuff and fentanyl and uh and then like he was addicted you know and he needs the heroin so he would like steal cars and stuff and he he has like grand theft auto and he's been to jail for that and stuff and and so he's not allowed to work with kids and he has literally the worst criminal history of anyone i've ever seen in my entire life and but now he's sober he doesn't do drugs anymore and he's turning he's like a good person now i guess so it wasn't like bad to like send him in there he's not gonna like hurt any of the kids he was there to like protect the kids from like the actual bad people but just looking at his criminal history he is not allowed to work there and they were like uh i think he did the interview they asked him one interview question which was like are you down to restrain their kids if things get dirty and he was like yeah because you might have to get your hands dirty and once he said he was down to get his hands dirty they're like you're hired and he got the job without any background search and uh yeah um that's actually ended up why they ended up getting shut down was for the background searches because they just weren't background search and they were just hiring terrible people to work there that's ultimately what got them shut down but so how long was he there before you infiltrated uh about a month it was like three and a half weeks how long were you in there only two days because what we did is so it's a thousand dollars a day to be there and when i would film the video i only had two thousand dollars in my bank account so i was like shoot i can only be here for two days but to make it worse they needed a full month down payment before letting me in so they did i think they said they needed 50 it was like a month and a half of payment they needed 50 000 for me to go in uh before they would let me go in and i was like i'm gonna be like i'm gonna be like a million dollars in my bank account and so i was like and basically my entire youtube career has been me getting shadow banned so i post a video and it gets taken down i post a video it gets taken so i could never have made any money on my youtube before this so i guess i could have taken out like a fifty thousand dollar loan but like fifty thousand dollars is more money than i made like the last three years so i'd just be paying that off like the rest of my life probably i didn't think like it was worth it for me to get the video so i came with a plan which was we because i was like we at this point we kind of found out the whole system wasn't to help the kids it was to make money so we're like okay let's use that to their advantage if their whole point is to make money, let's tell them that we have $50,000 on the way to them. But for whatever reason, the bank just blocked, like they're pending the transaction, you know? And then to add urgency, I called him pretending to be the, we had like a running joke where I was pretending to be the dad and the son at the same time. And so I'm like calling him as my dad and I'm like, hey, so like, yeah, I have to go to like Germany on a work trip for like some weird Island in Germany or something. And I leave in like two hours is my flight. So you have to accept them in now, but the money will transfer. The bank just, it's pending for the next 48 hours. So in 48 hours, you will get the money. But if you don't accept them, I'm going to be in Germany and then we'll just send them to like some other place and we'll give them the money instead. So they were so money hungry. They said yes. And they didn't ask for any IDs, any birth certificates, any paperwork. They were just like, yeah, just bring them in. We can accept them. And then, but like, if the money doesn't come in 48 hours, then we're going to send them out. So we're getting around the 48 hour mark and we were, outside, I guess they give the kids like 15 minutes of outside time per day, I guess. So we were outside and I was like, if I go back inside, they're just going to like be like, oh, your dad didn't pay. You have to leave. I'm like, that's kind of boring. So instead I was like, what if I escape? And then, cause they're like really scared of having like escape kids. That looks like that's really bad PR for them. So I can escape. And then I'll say, I only come back if they fix their facility, you know? So I'm going to blackmail them with all this bad PR to improve themselves. So I ended up just escaping instead. And I just climbed a fence. There was like, if it's like 15 easy, well, there was a basketball hoop next to it. So I climbed the basketball hoop and I just jumped the fence. It was like a three, it was like a three foot gap from like the basketball hoop and the fence. So I was just able to jump over. And then I just did a parkour roll and it was soft grass. So it was fine. So what happened after that? And then, I don't know, they like chased me. Did they know you escaped? Yeah, they like chased me for like, a couple of miles and then I like got away and then Sheldon picked me up. I think I like went to like some like fast food restaurant and I was like all out of breath. I think I threw up like three or four times 'cause I don't, it was like 20 degrees outside. I'm just in like a, I actually think I had a sweatshirt on, but I have like an asthma thing where I can't like exercise in cold weather. So I just start like throwing up all over the restaurant. And then I'm like out of breath. I'm like, hey, like I'm doing a scavenger hunt. Like my phone died. I just beat the scavenger hunt, but I have to like contact the person to come pick me up. Can I use your phone? And then I had my friend's phone number memorized. So I called him. I'm like, hey, pick me up. I just finished the scavenger hunt. And then my friend comes and picks me up. And yeah, then we, I guess, got away from the police. They weren't able to get me. So I was sick. Wow. So what did you uncover? When your buddy was in there for a month, what kind of stuff was he witnessing inside this place? One of the worst ones was the solitary confinement. So in Utah, every state's different, but in Utah, like I think solitary confinement is allowed for like murderers and stuff, but only for like a couple hours a day, you know? Like it can't go on like extended. And for kids, like no solitary confinement at all. Like that's like super illegal. 'Cause like, that makes sense. Like there's, scientists have done studies on solitary confinement. Like literally damages your brain. And so for kids going through solitary confinement, like that's when your brain's developing. Like you don't wanna, that's why like we can't smoke or drink alcohol when we're kids because it's gonna ruin our brain, you know? So solitary confinement does a similar thing. It's like horrible for us and it's gonna cause problems later in life. And so it's like super illegal. And then they'll just send kids, like we caught them sending a kid to solitary confinement for two weeks for stealing a bag of chips. And basically the teacher was handing out chips to everyone. And then one of the kids took a bag of chips from the other kid, resulting in the kid to go up and grab another bag for himself. So what inconvenience this kid, maybe 20 seconds, now this other kid has to pay for that with two weeks of solitary confinement. So it kind of seems like the punishment- - What was solitary confinement like for him? - So I guess it's not, it's not what you think of normal solitary confinement. It's not like, okay, I'm in a prison cell all by myself, you know, and I can't do anything. Actually, I would argue solitary, that type of solitary confinement would be better. 'Cause at least you could do like pushups, you could work out and stuff. This was, I know you told me not to sit up 'cause of the microphone, but you have to sit like this in a school desk. There's like probably 10 kids all in a room and you have to just sit there and just look forward. And if you like look at like another kid, if you like turn your head to look, the teacher will be like, "Hey, look forward, like don't look at that kid." You know, so you're just tempted. So you have all these kids that are like in their phase where you're supposed to be social, you know, like all they wanna do is just, every kid has like ADHD and they just wanna talk to these other kids. And so it's like dangling candy, in front of a kid's face probably, you know, just like, you can't eat it, you can't eat, you know? And it just sucks 'cause you just have to sit there. And even I, like I was 30 years old when I was in there. And even me, I was tempted just to be like, I just wanna talk to these kids, you know, like they're just sitting, right? It'd be so easy just to talk to them, but you can't. You're just sitting there like, that was terrible. It was really sad. The saddest part for me too was like you just, they said every kid is suicidal in there, which, it's like terrible 'cause you just see these kids with no hope 'cause they're like, I don't know, like I had a pretty good childhood, I'd say. Like I did a lot of sports and stuff. I had a lot of friends and went on a lot of adventures. And like they say childhood's like the best time of your life. And like these kids are just getting that robbed from them, you know, and it was just so sad to see, like picturing my childhood. And then like when I was sitting in like the solitary, you know, 'cause I was in solitary confinement for like 30 hours, and just for no reason, 'cause they had, they thought I was gay, I guess. So solitary confinement's the way, I don't know. Just like picturing what my childhood was like, and then like looking at these kids, just like sitting there, it was so sad. I don't know, it was probably one of the worst experiences of my life, but. - Are they beating on the kids? - So there's stories. There's stories of it. We didn't witness that. But yeah, we didn't witness that there, but they do what's called restraints, I guess. And they were like, in the training, they were bragging about the restraints. So they would be like, yeah, like if you tell this kid to sit down and he doesn't sit down, like the protocol is we're gonna like restrain them. And sometimes these restraints will last up to 45 minutes, you know? So they get down and they would like practice like how to restrain the kids and stuff. And they try and do it in a way that doesn't hurt the kids, I guess. But I mean, obviously there's stories where like kids have died from it and stuff. And I think that's also led to the provocation of getting shut down. No, sorry, that was a different school that got shut down. It was like a sister school owned by the same company, I think, where I think the kid like threw a brownie or something and then they went and like did a restraint on him, but they were like choking him and he ended up dying. And then he was, the only reason he was in there was 'cause his parents died, I think. So they're like, "Oh, where should we send him?" He wasn't even a bad kid. They just sent him there 'cause like his parents, he was like a foster kid and they just killed him. - Holy shit. - Yeah, it was crazy. - Where did that happen? - I don't know. I'd have to look that up. But I remember that was a very famous story. When I started researching it, that was like a big story that kept coming up. - Wow. - But yeah, that was really sad. - How many kids were in there when you got there? - I think 300. - 300? - I think 150 boys and 150 girls, I think, yeah. - Are you conversing with them? - No. - You talking with them? - No, I didn't talk to a single one. - Why not? - 'Cause you're not allowed to. - So even outside of solitary confinement, there's no socialization? - Yeah, I don't think so. He'd be like, "Go to bed, no talking." And then we'd have to go to bed and like, I think some of the kids would like talk and then you'd come in and like yell at them. But yeah, I just didn't talk, which was nice. 'Cause I was like, I was kind of scared that they were gonna tell I wasn't like 17 years old. 'Cause that's like the oldest you ought to be is 17 in there. And I'm 30 years old. So I was like, it was kind of nice. 'Cause then they couldn't like catch that I was 30 years old. - Shit. - Yeah, I just kind of just sat in silence the whole time. I guess there was a couple of times where the teacher would talk to us and he'd be like, like, "What are your goals for today?" And he'd be like, "I'm gonna try to go to sleep "without talking to anyone." That's what I think I said my goal was. They were like, "I'm gonna be a good kid today." I don't know. And that's like pretty much all I would say the whole day. - Are they teaching? What are they teaching? - So I never got to experience school. I escaped before school started 'cause I was just in solitary confinement the whole time. But Sheldon, he was in school for a lot of it. And he said they would, have you heard of like, what they call Riz Brain Rot TikToks? - Mm-mm. - I haven't really heard of it either, but it's basically, so what the kids are watching nowadays is, they would watch YouTube compilations of these like 15 second TikToks, which is, I don't even know how to describe it. It's definitely not educational. I guess the audience can look up Riz Brain Rot and look it up for themselves, but, - How do you scribe brain rot to someone who doesn't know what brain rot is? I guess you can. it's just it's it's like uh kind of self-describing it's content that rots your brain uh that's what they're doing yeah i guess they're just playing that for kids and stuff at least that's what sheldon said they were how long all day i guess just like eight hours they're just play it because i mean sheldon got hired as a teacher and so they would take these kids in and sit them in front of brain rot tiktok shit for eight hours a day yeah in solitary these aren't teachers they don't know how to teach i guess i don't know i guess the only thing i was told when i got there was the teacher pulls me aside and he's like hey like class is going to start tomorrow and he's like class is gonna be a joke to you like it's a joke but you have to do it you know and that's what the teacher told me so yeah it's kind of unbelievable but um it and then they they give you a fake diploma at the end they're like you graduated congratulations you can't so there's no college or anything like math literature from my understanding i don't think so nothing holy shit and some of the sister companies from what i heard they'll have uh they'll they would take exams so you learn by taking the test so instead of giving you the material to learn they'll just give you the test and then you just learn what the answer is so you'll be like okay like you you will get it wrong you're like okay number one was 14 and it's like the answer number one is 14 so you're not really reading the question you're just memorizing what the answers are and then that way okay when i take the test again now i can get all the right answers you know uh so you're not really learning anything you're just learning how to take the test i guess i mean when you're like when you're in there and your buddy's in there and you guys are you know turning this into you know a video i mean what's what's do you feel like any kind of responsibility to save these kids that are in there i mean this is messed up shit yeah it was so sad in their lives yeah it's this is probably one of the hardest videos ever filmed the first reason is because yeah you're dealing with kids under 18 so it's like i want it so bad to be like i pitched this to sheldon it's like a joke and instantly we're like we can't do this but we're gonna be like getting all the kids together and be like if we all escape like we can all get away and i'll return you like i'll send footage to the kids parents and we'll show them what's really going on inside and then we'll all escape and we'll all return the kids back to their parents and stuff and but then it's like but then if i escape now i'm some 30 year old who just kidnapped all these 17 year olds because they're they they have legal custody of these kids like the parents signed their rights away for this corporation to have custody of the kids so now i've literally just kidnapped all these kids from this place and that makes me like a bad person so i don't know it was very complicated you know it's like i want to do the right thing but i also don't want to screw this up you know because when they say like the the road to hell is paved with good intentions or something you know like i didn't want to do that where it's like okay we're trying to do a good thing but ultimately we just do a terrible thing so we had to be smart about how we pulled it off i guess so we couldn't just act impulsively and be like oh let's all escape and let's let's all free these kids you know like it sounds like a good idea and then you think about it for 30 seconds i mean you know do you think about where you could get this material to who who could be reported to i mean yeah um i mean that was the goal yeah to shut them down i think i after they got shut down i made a video i was like we're just like well that was easy like we thought we're gonna have to go on this like huge adventure to shut them down uh because that's like kind of our brand is we don't really stop until there's like a satisfying ending and the satisfying ending with this was like we just weren't gonna stop until it got shut down and it just happened way faster than we expected like you educated uh an audience about you know maybe some parents on what is actually going on or do you think these people's parents even give a shit i think it's 50 50 um like paris hilton's parents still are like we're glad we sent paris hilton there like this was best for her you know um because i think i think half the parents are able to see like okay this is messed up you know and the other half are like by them saying that it's wrong they would be admitting that they did something bad and i think that's a hard pill for a lot of parents to swallow like we ruined three years of our kids life because we couldn't be better parents that's pretty substantial i think a lot of parents it's easier for parents to lie and just be like like lie to themselves and be like this was a good place for like my kid deserved to go here 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right like you're just some kid alone and 20 degree weather and you because it was really i guess if they escape in the summer it's not bad but what i did it was 20 degrees like like you have no money on you no phone uh like what do you like how do you get how do you eat dinner you know um like where do you go where do you sleep um so i think that's probably the hardest part of escaping um because you can't go back to your parents they'll just send you back to provo canyon probably yeah i guess that makes sense well let's move to ideal living this sounds oh yeah really bad yeah it it's kind of crazy i saw the email and i was like these people were out of their minds you know but so hold on before we go on what is ideal living for the audience ideal living is a company that makes air purifiers and water purifiers and they're just some they i think they do a lot of charity and stuff so they're seen as like a good company uh when the wildfires happened in california they were doing a bunch of air purifiers to help people breathe better and um yeah they're just seen as like this like heartwarming company that just helps the community out and uh i got an email saying that they're actually the only reason this company exists is to fund the world's biggest human trafficking ring i was like ah but then they said the email like hey we have all the like i used to work at this company i was i was the ceo's assistant and i know basically everything that goes on and i have all this evidence if you don't believe me like we can pull out all the evidence we can go for everything and i was like okay so i gave him a call and these people were kind of crazy like just the way they like expect like they seem like conspiracy theorists you know like just the way they talk they're like what and like they're people on the inside of the company yeah well they don't work there anymore apparently they like whistle blew to the head guy and they uh got fired for doing that but um yeah basically they just seem like crazy people at first i was like okay but then everything they said they could back up with evidence so i was like okay i'll document their side and then i'll document ideal living so you know i'll just share both sides of the story and i shared their side and then i tried to get out of your living side and they were like yeah we're going to call the cops on you if you uh keep asking us about this and i was like gosh dang it so i put the video out without sharing their side then finally they were like okay now you have to share our side or we're going to sue you so basically their whole side well i did like an hour-long video on it but their whole side boils down to like no we're not doing a human trafficking ring and they gave me like all this evidence and every single piece of evidence is because like the ceo said so in court so like the ceo testified in court that it's not true so and you can't lie in court because that's illegal it's like their whole argument so i don't know right now it doesn't look too good for them i'd say but yeah, it's pretty interesting story. It's weird 'cause this is like the most viral thing I've ever done, like by long, like it's gotten the most views of anything, but it's also like the least talked about thing that I've done. - How many views? - So the two videos have, I think like 37 million views or something on 'em combined. - 37 million views? - Yeah, it's by far the biggest viewed thing I've ever done, but no one's reacting to it online. No one's like, no news stations are picking. It's weird how like it's the least talked about thing I've done, even though everyone's like seeing it. It's so weird. So I don't know if people are like scared to talk about it or yeah, I don't know. - So they're suing you? Are they suing you? - Basically they sent me a very scary like email, basically being like, you got everything wrong. Like here's the seven bullet points of what you got wrong. And if you don't share our side, then we're gonna use, like applicable remedies or something like a lawyer speak, I guess. Basically like share our side or we'll sue you is like the dumbed down version, I guess. So I shared their side, which was we're right because we said so. But yeah, maybe more will come out now that I just, I just posted that video. So they haven't responded to that video yet. So maybe they'll actually be able to give me some evidence or something, but I, a lot of like, people have come to me, people have come out of the company saying like, yeah, I was in the room with this guy and he wanted to like molest these kids. And so he said like, in order to like, how do we do this? You create a religion, but how do you fund the religion? We have to create companies like you guys, you guys are smart people. And like, you figure out a way to fund this. And so they came up with a thing called the miracle blade, which according to them, it's like a miracle. Cause they're pretending that it's a religion. It's like a miracle, you know? And I feel like everyone's heard of the miracle blade. It's like a really popular thing, but apparently that was created to fund this thing. And then that company, there was some like problems. I'm not really sure what the problems were, but it was like open businesses and then like transfer all the assets to another business to like defraud creditors. - So what is, hold on. So what did you do? Did you infiltrate the company? - We were, we have some footage of the inside that we did. That we haven't released yet of not the company, but the like the JKP group, which is the like religion, I guess, basically they believe that he's like Jesus, I guess. So he's in a human body, but he is God is what they believe. So this guy's- - You have footage of this. - Yeah, we have, and they're like, well, he died, I guess, a couple of years ago. Cause he was like 90 years old, but they have a cardboard cutout of them that they like worship. They're like feeding them cake and stuff and- - The employees? - Yeah. Yeah. So the employees of this company all are a part of this like organization, I guess. And they're like, they're like the high up people. Like they all like, they, they run the company, but they also run the organizations. They run both of them, I guess. And I guess from my understanding, the way that- - So you're saying that allegedly this company exists to fund human trafficking to specifically kids. - That's why all the, all the people I've interviewed that, I mean, it's verified that they, you know, that they used to work at this company. That's what they're all saying is that, yeah. - What's the sample size? How many people? - Right now there's like six or seven, but it's a small company. There's only like 30 people that work at the company. So it's, I guess, compared to the people that work there, it's a lot. - So six or seven people out of a 30 people, 30 person company have all reported the same kind of shit going on? - Yeah. I'm not a hundred percent sure, I think it's around like 30 people probably, but yeah, there's been about six or seven past employees have come out. - And so where did you go? Where did, how did you, how do you come in? - They just emailed me. I just shared their story. - So you just, so you just interviewed them and shared their story. - Yeah. Cause the, the claim was, is that this was supposed to be like a big new story and stuff. And then, I mean, the guy is like a billionaire at the top and he's like pretty powerful, I guess. So what they were telling me is that, you know, because he has power, he's able to kill the story every time a big news station is going to like air it. So they were like, no new station can air this story. Like every time, like we get so close and then every single time they always just don't air the story, you know, and we can't find out why. So my big stunt was just like, I'm going to be the first one to air this story. You know, like if no big, like major networks can air it, then for whatever reason, I'm just going to air it and see what happens, you know? Like, so it didn't really like require me to like infiltrate anything. This was, the big stunt on this one was kind of just like- - Breaking the story. - Yeah. Cause that was the stunt, you know? - So what, how did you get on the inside then? Where did the footage come from? - We would just, they have a temple. It's like a ashram. So- - At the company? - No, it's the, the organization is called JKP. It stands for Jaga Guru Kripalu Parishat. So the guys that, he's Indian. So it's an Indian name, like Kripalu. And then Jaga Guru means like God walking on earth. So that's like what the, it's like the name of their religion. They were trying to get like actual religious status from what I was reading. But because there was like so many miracle blades everywhere when the IRS came, they were like, this isn't a religion. This is a company. So they didn't really get tax exempt like they wanted to. So it is kind of, from my understanding, the same thing, like company, religions, kind of the same thing. I guess it's all the same, like the same people were all at the top that like are both things. But the lawyers are trying to argue they're two separate things. And they're like, I don't know, but there's a lot of mixture between the two things. And so we went to the ashram, which is where they do like the religious services. And all our footage was from the inside there, like talking to the high up, like execs of ideology. 'Cause they all run the, they both run the same thing. So we were able to talk to all of them there. And we didn't have to pretend that. - Hold on, so how did you get in there? - We just walked in. - Why would they talk to you? - I don't know, we said, hey, we're interested in your religion. - You just walked up to their temple. - Yeah. - Who's supposedly, according to the people that you've interviewed, is the biggest child trafficking ring. - Well, I think most of the people there don't think it's bad. So they just- - What? What do you mean they don't think it's bad? - Yeah, they just think it's a religion. They actually think he's a God walking on earth. They actually think that this guy was a God. - Why do they think that? - 'Cause that's how they were raised. 'Cause this has been going on for, I think, 80 years or something, maybe like 70, 80 years. And so they just grew up, like kind of like I was saying earlier, like I think a lot of people are just grown up to be like, hey, this is the truth and don't question it or else it's bad, you know? And so that's probably what happened with a lot of these people. They just grew up. They're like, hey, this guy is our God, you know? Like Kripalu, he is God in human form. So, and they were told not to question it 'cause questioning it is evil, you know? And why would you question that? Like, do you not have faith, you know? Like, why are you vilifying asking questions? And so I think a lot of them believe it and they don't know that. So a lot of the like sex trafficking happened behind closed doors. So- - Yeah. - From what I was told, they would say like, okay, I think it's to be an agogi is what it's called, is like a highest spiritual, basically like, it's kind of like their way of getting to heaven, I guess. And so in order to become more spiritual, you could have sex with the Swami, the God. And so basically like you're getting God's love, you know? But the problem is these aren't consenting adults that are doing this. These are like, he's doing this to like nine-year-olds, like 13-year-olds. And so that's like where it's like a big problem, you know? And it's like really bad. And so your average person that shows up to the church isn't seeing that 'cause it's happening behind closed doors, you know? But so if I'm just like some like 25-year-old male showing up, I would never know that that was happening, you know, 'cause I'm not his target person he's going after. And then for all the females, it's like, first off, you think you're getting God's love, right? Oh, this is a way for me to get to heaven. Even if I don't like it, it's like, oh, I'm gonna do it anyways because it's worth it. - It's a sacrifice. - Yeah, it's a sacrifice in order to get to heaven, you know? And then another thing too is, especially in India, if you've been raped, it's like really hard to get a husband later in life 'cause they see that as, oh, you're an impure now, you know? And so a lot of these women just wouldn't tell people because they're afraid of like, oh, society's gonna treat me differently now 'cause it's seen as like a bigger deal over there and so a lot of them just wouldn't say anything. So I think a lot of the people just don't know, you know? But yeah, 'cause I think there's like, even though there's like been, they're claiming there's been thousands and thousands of victims 'cause this happened for, I think, 80 years. And then they were saying they were raping like three kids a day or something for like, so it's like thousands of people. But anyway, there's 100 million people in this organization. So yeah, it's huge, yeah. So, hold on. How does a company with 30 people that you're saying coincides with a religion have a hundred million people? Yeah, well, the company was just to fund it. So they're pumping. I mean, the guy's a billionaire. So just from this company. So this company makes him a lot of money and that money goes to the organization so they can like build ashrams. And they have these huge giant temples that are like super beautiful and it like attracts people. So I'd say most people that are part of it probably don't know what's going on, you know. But yeah, I mean, the company, the 30 people, the company, their main focus with the company is to make these air purifiers and water purifiers, but they all just so happen. Like, it's not all of them too. It's like just a couple of people at the top, maybe like six or seven of them at the top that. Like the people that run ideal living also run JKP and they're very high up like leaders in JKP and they funnel the money through to JKP. So what do you think? I think they've shown me a lot of evidence for that to be true. And unless ideal living shows me evidence for it not to be true, I think it's what evidence that you've seen that makes you believe it's true. So Peter is the CEO of ideal living and he is a CEO of ideal living, but he's also the treasurer of JKP. So he handles all the money of JKP. I mean, they have billions of like, I guess they have this trust. They showed me this trust in India where they put like billions of dollars and it's, they claim it's to do like tax fraud and stuff, but they also claim it's to like give them all the money. Cause it's so like convoluted. The biggest one I'd say is this interview with Joe Kelly. He's one of the guys who was like in the organization, but also it was like really high up at the company. And he was in the room when Saraswati told him like, Hey, like we want to make this a big religion. So how do we do that? Like let's make infomercial companies. Like your job is to go make companies so we can have money. And so, um, yeah. And so then when I ask ideal living, I'm like, Oh, I don't know. I was like, Hey, what about what Joe Kelly is saying about you guys? And they're like, we are not going to debate this. Like, just take it out of your video. Like they don't even comment on why it's wrong. So it's like, if it was wrong, they should just tell me like, Oh, he's lying or something. They won't even say that. So it seems like they agree also with what he's saying or else they would have corrected me on it. There are plenty of options out there, but for me, I use Claude. It's become a big part of how I prepare for this show from pulling research together to working through ideas and coming up with better questions for my guests. Claude is the AI for problem solvers. It's the collaborator that understands your entire workflow and thinks with you, not for you. Whether you're debugging code at midnight, building a financial model or strategizing your next business move. Claude extends your thinking to tackle the problems that matter. Here at SRS, my team and I have research notes and ideas in different places. So Claude helps us bring that material together and organize it into an outline. Then I can work through the questions and tighten up the structure before I sit down with my guest. Check out Claude Pro, which includes access to all of the features mentioned in today's episode. Claude.ai slash SRS. So is this like an active lawsuit? I don't know. Apparently they sue everyone that talks bad about them. And I've probably made the biggest hit piece on them they've ever seen. But they haven't sued me. So I don't know if they like, there's like companies are starting to learn now that like by suing me, it's just like helping me. Because, like, every time I get sued, it's just like, great for me, you know, like, I just get more public support. And it just ends up like going to discovery or whatever. And then now they have to produce a bunch of documents like that would be horrible for them if they had to do that, I'm assuming. How many times have you been sued? I get threatened to be I get served papers, probably every single video I've like ever done since like, day one, with Scientology. They tried suing me for like a million dollars. But I always find a way out of it. You know, I always find like a creative way that no one would ever see coming. Like, I usually just find out like, because here's my my thought process. So bad companies exist for a reason, right? Because if they were just bad and nothing else, with no loopholes. Then why would they exist? Like, we don't want bad things, we would just be like, hey, don't exist anymore. But they exist, because they're probably smart enough to come up with some type of like loophole to stay around. So I usually find out whatever loophole they're using, and then do it back onto them to see how they like it. So whatever loopholes like these bad companies use to avoid getting sued, I just do the same thing back to them. Give me an example. My conclusion was this is a business hiding behind a religion. So they're selling you these courses and stuff that are completely fake. Like, the first course I did was you have to be in a sauna for anywhere from four to eight hours a day to sweat out your your bad memories and your toxins, you know, like, if something bad traumatic happened to me, you can actually sweat that out, which I think Harvard did a study, they said you should only be in a sauna for 15 to 20 minutes, anything past that is unhealthy for you. And yeah, our bodies have toxins. But you don't. I think it's like, like one microgram will come out through like a sauna, like, like a thing, you know, like toxins, but 99.99999% of your toxins just come out when you pee. You know, that's how you get like, when you use the bathroom, that's how you get your toxins out. And sweating out is nothing compared to just using the bathroom. So that's fake science. And if they sold that class, if anyone else sold that class, you could sue them for false advertising. But you can't sue Scientology. And the reason is their religion, and they believe for it to be true. So if you sue Scientology for for that class, you're discriminating them against their religion, because you don't respect their beliefs. So, okay, how can I use that against them? So Scientology suing me for my video I made on them. So I was like, okay, what if I just do the same thing? So I went to the IRS website, I made my own religion, we call it the Church of Scientology sucks. It got approved. So if you go on the IRS, you can still look it up. It's Scientology sucks is our real religion that is IRS approved. And we just believe Scientology sucks. So by them suing us, for what we said in our documentary, they're discriminating us against our religion. They're, they're saying our beliefs are invalid. And so they can't sue us anymore. And the detectives actually ruled in our favor on that. So holy shit, do you have an attorney? No, I was doing all this by yourself. That's why I did it. Because I didn't have money. I was homeless living in my car. When I did this video, I didn't have money for lawyers. So I gotta find some other way out of this, I guess. Oh, my gosh. But yeah, in the formula works, like literally every single bad company has some type of loophole that I can just also use against them. It's happened to every single video. But yeah. So you've been sued for just about every video you've done. Yeah, the only one was the 12 tribes. They, they believe that God will punish me, not the law. They don't believe in the law, like the human law, you know, so they think laws are stupid. They're like, God will punish you. So they're the only ones that didn't sue me. Wow. And nothing, nothing has stuck so far. Just the bricks and minifigs one, that one we're still dealing with. But yeah, I think I'm gonna win. I mean, we did an anti slap suit, which is basically, so a slap suit is when they silence for what I'm saying. So I made a documentary on them and they're suing me for that, for like exposing them for doing a bad thing. So anti slap is an anti doing that. And then if that gets approved, which I think by the end of the month, we'll find out if it's approved or not, then it's gonna be exciting to see. And you're just filing all this stuff yourself? No, I have lawyers now. Oh, okay. But I finally did get a lawyer after the bricks and minifigs one. The whole, I had like, the whole internet was like, kind of hating on the fact that I was just doing everything myself. Because I thought it was cool to do everything myself. You know, I was like, I want to get lawyers involved. I wanted to do it from the perspective of like, just some kids sitting at home. Like, I like my stuff to feel like it's like a high school project just on steroids. You know, like, I'm going up against like a human trafficking ring, or I'm gonna take down this corporation, like, but like, kind of the like fantasy of like a high school project taking on such a big project like that. So I like to present it in that way. And like, I like my methods to be like, anyone at home could just be sitting watching like, oh, I could have done that. You know, like, he didn't have a million dollar budget behind him. He just had his creativity, you know. And I think it's like an inspiring thing to inspire people to also be more creative and not use excuses of why they can't do things. But so I was like, I'm not gonna get a lawyer, you know, because then if I win, people be like, oh, he had a lawyer do everything for him. So I was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm going to beat this without a lawyer. And then everyone was like, no, you have to get a lawyer. Like they're going to screw you and stuff. And the whole internet kind of said I had to do it. So I was like, okay, this is one time I'll put money into a lawyer. And then it's crazy because like the bricks and minifigs video I did, I think we had like less than a $2,000 total spending on that whole video. Like, which basically it was just like gas money to drive up there and like food and the Airbnb is like that whole video's budget. And then the lawyer, I think I've spent like a quarter million dollars on a lawyer so far just from that video. You've spent a quarter of a million dollars. Yeah. Okay. What is this? Why do you get two criminal defense lawyers for cause I made a go fund me and I tried serving court papers. Those are two separate charges. Oh. And then they said that I tried to burn the building down in Provo, which obviously I didn't do. So I had three criminal cases that I'd have lawyers fight. And then just the civil lawyer, the civil lawyers like the expensive one, they're suing me for Rico charges. So I think that's kind of expensive, I guess just cause we had like six days of mediation and that just each day. I mean the lawyers, it's like almost a thousand dollars an hour. And if you're in mediation for 10 hours a day for six days, it's insane. And every single thing the lawyer does, it costs money. It's like if, like if they want to watch my video for context, like I think the bricks and minifigs video is like four hours long or something. And then the three, three videos together. So it's like, that's $34,000 just for them to watch the video, you know, and it's insane. And then also we're trying to take over the whole corporation. So we need lawyers for each store that changes from their brand to our brand. So we've already taken over two stores so far. So we need two lawyers for that. That's a lot of money. It's crazy. Yeah. So it is kind of funny. Like the, the video costs this much and the lawyers, it's cost as much. Damn man. What do you got coming up? What are you excited about? So we're trying to take over the whole bricks and minifigs corporation. Basically I just, something I quickly realized after these videos came out is no one wants to shop at bricks and minifigs anymore. What is it? Bricks and minifigs. It's a Lego store. So basically this corporation stole, Oh, I've been hearing about this. Yeah, this is okay. So there was the world's largest Lego set owned by this family. They put it in a bricks and minifigs to sell it. Basically bricks and minifigs is like GameStop, but for Legos. So they're not affiliated with Lego. They just resell people's Lego sets. So this guy had a collection and then it was like, okay, can you sell this for me? And they keep a percentage and then, but he gets to keep the majority of the sales and they keep a percentage for like a thank you for helping sell it. And he shows up to the store one day. And it's a consignment show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Consignment. And then he shows up and there's new owners there and he's like, Hey, they're like, you guys still selling my stuff? Like, how's it going? Like kind of my monthly check. And they're like, oh yeah, like we took over the store. The old store owner doesn't work here anymore. And these Legos are ours. So if you ask any more questions, we're gonna call the cops on you, like your trespass for the store. And he's like, what? It's like confusing. Okay. And so, uh, uh, basically he was like, he like calls him back. He's like, you sure you don't just want to give the Legos back? And they're like, if you want, you can sue us. But by suing us, it's going to cost you more money than this Lego collection is worth. It's gonna cost you like half a million dollars to sue us. So you probably should just let us keep these Legos. And he's like, oh my gosh. So he didn't know what to do. So he contacted me about it. And, uh, yeah, we basically made a documentary just showing the whole thing. We got into some crazy schemes, I guess, but like what? Um, I don't know. So one thing is the police were saying it was civil instead of criminal, uh, which means the police can't do anything. You have to sue them. So I saw, I was reading through, this happened in Oregon. So I was reading through the Oregon state laws of like what civil crimes are and criminal crimes. And one thing I saw that was a criminal crime was stealing from a lottery. So I made a state approved lottery. We got approved by the state and we auctioned off one of his Lego sets. That was like, I think it was a thousand dollar set, which turns into the, a felony amount of like theft. So we auctioned off one of his Lego sets and we, a family won it. And then when they went to claim their prize, they didn't give them the Legos, which now it's not civil anymore. It's criminal. Because if you steal from a lottery, that's criminal. And it was a felony amount. So like, just stuff like that. Um, we did one where, cause it was gonna cost them like half a million dollars to sue. Like, I think it takes like two years, two or three years to go up with a full lawsuit. So like, well, instead of doing that, what if we just sue them in small claims court 10 times, you know? Uh, cause you get a judgment like pretty much instantly and it costs like a hundred dollars to file. So we sold his debt to 10 of my friends and then we all made 10 lawsuits. And so we were all able to individually sue for the amount. And we just did a bunch of like crazy schemes like that. And uh, eventually I put a documentary out and it, it became like the biggest like story on the whole internet. I think it's probably like the story of the year this year. And for like internet news at least. And, um, and so the thing that like, which is good for him getting his Legos back, but it's bad for all the franchise owners that are now working with bricks and mini figs because, uh, basically the whole bricks and mini figs, like, like because it was the number one story and everyone knows that like corporate is thieves now, uh, it's like ruined your name. So if you put like the bricks and mini figs logo, on your store, no one wants to shop there because people know that by shopping there, 6% of every sale goes to corporate and, oh, we don't want to support corporate. So we're just, so, so even though it's going to like hurt the franchise owners, people are still not shopping there. And it's like the people that are really hurting is these franchise owners that did nothing wrong. Like they didn't steal these Legos. So I was like, okay, how do we help these people out? And so we were just joking one day. We're like, what if we, what if we made, we could make a reckless bricks, we could make our own store called reckless bricks. And then we convinced them to, to change their branding. And for every store that changes, uh, they'll give basically they're paying corporate to use like a logo that hurts their sales. So the pitch is, well, if you put reckless bricks, like the internet is like loving what I'm doing. So like, you'll probably get way more sales, you know, cause people want to support reckless bricks. And then I won't take anything. You just give me 0%, you know, like I won't take anything. And so they'll make more money by it'll have a better brand. It'll make more money doing it. You know, they won't have to pay for it. And so, uh, we took over two stores, um, just cause a lot of the franchise owners are like scared to leave. Cause they're like, Oh, corporate's going to sue us. So we set them up with lawyers and stuff. And, um, I guess after this video comes out, the hope is, is that like more stores will like see it and want to change. And I think we have like 30 or something, 30 or 40 stores that want to change right now. And the video hasn't even come out yet. So I think once the video comes out, they're probably all going to want to change. And then it's kind of like, uh, well, they can't stop us all type of thing. You know, like if they all change, I don't think they can stop them all, but it's kind of like a science experiment. Like we don't really know what's going to happen. We're just kind of doing it and documenting the results, I guess. - That's a hell of a wave you've created. - Yeah. But it's rated like a half a billion dollar corporation. Uh, so I might just be the owner of like a half a billion dollar corporation, which is crazy. I was just like some stupid, broke YouTuber before this, you know, and I might own this. I don't think I'd make any money because I'm taking 0%, but I would be taking 0% of half a billion corporation that I would own. But I feel like it's like a big responsibility, I guess. But, um, yeah, it might happen, but it's funny. Like, it's just like a, like just something like me and my friends were joking about, and now it might actually happen, I guess. - Dude, that's crazy. - Yeah. It's insane. So that's, that's what's next for me, I guess. - Oh my gosh. - Um, but yeah, I would be the first CEO that takes 0%. - God bless you. - Of my company. I, I own a company and take 0% stake, I guess. - Man. That's powerful, dude. - No, as long as I can make my YouTube videos, I'm happy, I guess. - You like doing this. - Yeah. Um, yeah, it's really fun. I don't know. I don't really think I do anything for video. I just do it cause it's fun. And kind of like a side effect of what I do is I get a cool video out of it. I've always just done crazy things my whole life, I guess. And then like, it's kind of cool to share the crazy things I do with the world now. So, it's fun. - Just feel good helping people like that? - Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. I don't know. Yeah. Ultimately I just like doing things that are fun. And like, I just like going on adventures and stuff, but I think helping people is kind of the ultimate adventure, you know? There's like a problem they can't solve. And I'm like, Oh, like I'll be the one to solve your problem, you know? And it's just like fun. Um, and then it's, it is like a cool, like reward. Cause then it's like, Oh, if I help them and they're happy. And you feel like, I don't know, like when other people are happy, I'm happy, you know? - Makes you feel good. - Yeah. I'm a very like empathetic person. Like I feel like my mood is kind of like, like determined by how like other people's mood is. So if other people are sad, then I'm like really sad. But if other people are happy, then I'm really happy. So that's going to make people happy, I think. well ben this was awesome oh yeah thanks for coming man yeah thanks for having me this is an awesome podcast yeah it's my pleasure um yeah i'd love to have you again sometime yeah i'm down give you some time get some more stuff and well i definitely have a lot of crazy things playing i think i have 10 videos already filmed that i just haven't edited yet so definitely have some crazy stuff that no one knows about in the future i could probably tell you off camera but i can't tell you yet some of it's like very illegal probably and we're waiting for statute of limitations on some of it but some of them end very very soon so and then it's like oh you can't get us any more statute of limitations is up so you're a smart dude cheers man thanks yeah oh thanks you no matter where you're watching the sean ryan show from if you get anything out of this at all anything please like comment and subscribe and most importantly share this everywhere you possibly can and if you're feeling extra generous head to apple podcasts and spotify and leave us a review oh oh oh all right check engine abs or maintenance light on take the guesswork out of your warning lights with o'reilly veriscan the service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ase certified master technicians and if you need help we can recommend a shop for you ask for o'reilly veriscan today