#349 AJ Gentile - Grand Canyon Conspiracies, AI Extinction and Nuclear War on Mars

(dramatic music) - AJ Gentile, welcome back. - Good to be back. - Good to have you back, man. I mean, shit, we just did a whole four-hour podcast off of my office. - We did, only about two hours we can release. (laughing) - But, yeah, man, it's good to catch up. Like, really good to catch up. - I'm comfortable coming back, I appreciate it. - You know, usually give an introduction, but I don't feel like I need to give one right now. AJ Gentile, founder of the WIFILES, wildly successful podcaster, now podcaster. Last time you were here, we were kind of going through, it was an idea. - It was. - He turned into a real thing. And how many people have you interviewed now? Do you even, do you lost count? - I'm a 35. - Shit, yeah. How do you like it? - Well, it's harder than it looks. - You know, you kind of make it look easy. It's harder than it looks. It's a lot more work than I thought. I like it. It's cool to talk to smart people who know a lot more than I do about stuff. And right now I'm sticking with just the people who are in sort of the orbit of my episodes. Like if I'm going to do a time travel episode, great. And I'll find some physicists that I'm talking about in the episode, so now I can just call that physicist and be like, "Hey, you want to come on?" and shoot the breeze about your theories, and they do. I love it. - Pretty cool, right? What do you say you're growing into? - I don't think it grows into much more than this. There are some that would like me to go a little more mainstream, like more mainstream guests. - What does that mean? - I turn down every celebrity, every politician, every journalist, I turn them all down. Every government, the herd dude in the government, or lady in the government, turn them all down. I'm kind of just sticking with sort of my wheelhouse. - Who wants you to go mainstream? - You know, your reps, your, my team. You know, I don't want to name names of who I've turned down, but turn down some big, big Hollywood stars because it's like, what are we gonna, so many gonna talk about with him? - It's weird, isn't it? - Yeah. - It's weird. - I was like, what do you talk about with certain people? I know what you mean. I mean, I've had a lot of politicians on. I won't have many more on. But yeah, with the celebrity stuff, like I like, I like, I used to like talk it as, I used to like talk into the politicians 'cause I don't know. I kind of thought maybe you had a gauge on where we're going. Boy, it was I wildly wrong. Holy shit. - You get nothing. - You just get their lines. They get, you get their rehearsed lines. I don't want to do that. - It's crazy. - Yeah, I don't want to do that. And I don't want to be a tool for anyone's agenda. - Yeah. - Good for you, Ben. Good for you. - Well, who knows? You know, I may crack at some point. - Matt. - But yeah, with the, yeah, it's like, some people want to come on. It's like, well, what do you want to talk about? Like, there's like, there's just not much there. - Nope. And I'll ask, like, what are you going to talk about that's going to be of interest to my audience? And it's like, when we're going to talk about, geopolitics and Israel and Iran, like, I don't think we need any of that on my show. - Yeah. - Go on CNN or whatever. My audience doesn't want to see any of that. And I try to stay out of politics. I keep it apolitical. People've been still, they're trying to figure out my politics for years. They cannot pin me down. And that's the way I like it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Is there any areas you want to go that you haven't gone to yet? - No, I don't think so. You know, I love me a physicist. All the scientists who talk about consciousness, give me a quantum physicist any day. I love it, talking about cult experts that think are fun. Researchers who-- - What have you learned about the occult? - I learned that it's not as dark as I thought it was. - Really? - Yeah, I mean, if you guys want to check out my interview with Mitch Horowitz, he's like a left path satanist. And it's like this guy, this guy sounds crazy on paper. It was a very enlightening conversation and after talking to him for a while, it's like, I might be a satanist. But it doesn't mean satanist in the way like in the biblical satan kind of way. It's more of independent thinking, not judging others. He says it to be controversial. He doesn't mean Bible satan, that's not what he means. He means letting people come to their own conclusions, don't forcing an agenda on them, don't force an ideology on them. And it was interesting. When you hear a cult, you think there's a pentagram and there's blood and there's virgins and all of that stuff, and there's a time and place for blood and virgins, but it's more about the rituals and the history of it. It was a very interesting talk. - What are the rituals of them? - Just about, 'cause the occult could be a lot of things. - It could be. - The occult could be the Illuminati, Freemasonry. - Right. 'Cause it just means hidden knowledge as all it is. So with a lot of the occult, it's, here's this knowledge that has been hidden by the church for years and years. That's actually kind of useful for natural remedies, like herbs and things like that, homeopathic remedies that were suppressed by the American Medical Association, those types of things. So Mitch says things like that to be controversial, 'cause they are, but that's not really what he's talking about. He's talking about more of an open-minded approach to things. And it's, you know, it resonated. - Was that the only one you felt on? - For occult, I've had a, you know, I couldn't name them up top of my head, but I've had a couple of people who know that stuff. He's the only one who specifically talks about it, but he's an occult historian who came out of publishing. There's a major publisher for a huge publishing company. And that's where he went with his career. And it's interesting stuff. - Have you done anything on witchcraft? - I haven't, I've had, I have a couple of those folks who want to come on. - That would be considered occult, correct. - That, to me, that's a little bit more of the types of things. I'm not really, I don't really want to get into witchcraft. 'Cause I don't really believe in that. I really believe in witchcraft, which maybe I'm a hypocrite 'cause I kind of believe in manifestation, you know? Bending the universe to your will, then making things happen. Maybe that's witchcraft, I don't know. I don't know what I'm just talking about, which is for three hours. I gotta be able to take it seriously. And my show is not a confrontational show. So if someone says something wacky, I will just let them say it. At the end of my episodes, I do pop in for like a two minute wrap up and say, all right, he said this, here's what I can prove. Here's, you know, here's what's false, here's what's real. But I don't want to get into an argument about witchcraft with some guy. - Well, I didn't mean get into an argument. - I'm like, how do you gonna challenge that? You've got to check like, is witchcraft real? Is it, I don't want anyone to defend their position. I just want them to tell the stories. - Uh-huh, uh-huh. I bet do you think it's real? - Witchcraft? - Yeah. - No. - You don't. - No. But I think manifesting reality, I think there's something to that. But is that witchcraft? - Kind of. - Kind of is. - Kind of is. - I mean, I mean, I don't really know much about witchcraft. But, I mean, you're talking about, you know, potentially the ability to manifest a new reality. Now, that's kind of like a spell. - It kind of is, and I believe in that. - And so, if somebody's manifesting a new reality that puts harm onto you, but still kind of, I mean, that's kind of along the same lines, right? - It is. - Are you careful about what you throw into the world? Like, we were talking about, on the Patreon segment. We were talking, I can't remember if, came up about comments or something, and I talked about how, when somebody like, does something to harm me, or somebody I love, or what are my friends, or a family member, you know, or, you know, screws us over, takes advantage of a vulnerable person, whatever. It pisses me off for whatever reason. I feel like I've been wronged, you know, I will, I will, I don't do this so much anymore, but I used to, I used to waste hours, days, depending on what it is. Thinking about how I can ruin that person's, it's funny, but like, it's not funny, 'cause I would literally, this is just how I think, you know, a problem happens, and I have to solve it. And so, if somebody's doing something to wrong me, or somebody I love, then I come up with all these, I go into place. planning mode, problem-solving. And I used to be very, it's like vengeance, you know? And I would, I would spend hours, days, you know, maybe days like planning how I can ruin not only this person's life, but everybody around them is entire family and is lineage. And then I would never act on it, but. - Well, you said the word waste. You consider that a waste of time. Of course it is. - It does nothing for you. - No, that's why I think forgiveness is so important. - Yeah, and my wife does not like that about me 'cause I don't hold a grudge. I don't hold a grudge. - You don't hold a grudge. - No, I really don't. If someone wrongs me, I like, you can cut this later if you want, but I'm going through a legal issue with my former manager who's not doing the right thing. And I'm making them hurt and I'm enjoying it because they made me hurt, and hurt my family. And, you know, I've been dealing with them for six months and they just kind of been messing with me and I'm telling them the guys, guys, you're really going to, you're going to push me too far. And then they went after friends and family and stuff instead of me, because you're not going to get to me with threats, I'm not, you can't threaten me. I don't, the biggest law firm in the, I don't care. But then they went after friends and family. It's like, okay. Now I'm going to make you a project and now they're my project. Is it a waste of my time probably, but you made me hurt, so now you've got to hurt. And it's not a great trait. - That's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. It, I mean, yeah, so like in the position you're in, 'cause that's a company, right? - Yeah. - You're going through with a company. - Yeah, night management. Good, there I said. - Night management. - Night management. I see like that, I mean, too many people, probably not many, 'cause there are many people that deal with management companies on the grand scale, but anybody who is aspiring to do what you do, I mean, they hear that. And they're like, not going with them. - No. - You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's going to damage them. It's going to damage them. But I mean, it's so, I don't know. I've become like very careful about what I throw into what comes out of my mouth, what I speak, because if something happens, you can't take that shit back. - No. - You know, and words carry a lot of power. They can, especially with gossip and, you know what I mean? Like, it's, they can be, it's powerful. - Yeah, I try to stay away from it, try to stay away from the negative talk and the gossip. It's not healthy and a lot of that stuff will just seem to happen. So I try to keep it positive, you know. Make enough money to live, keep everybody healthy. That kind of thing. 'Cause if you start talking about negative stuff, it finds a way. You know, there's some old saying that, you know, if a man spends every day thinking that he's going to die, eventually he figures out how to do it. And I think that's about manifestation. So I kind of don't go there too much. - You know, we were talking upstairs about, you know, you were asking about, you watched my interview with Tucker and we were kind of talking about what I've been going through, you know, behind the scenes and I haven't really disclosed much. And then, I asked if you were a Christian. You said, I think you said, kind of. And then down here, you kind of said, I don't know if I really believe in God. What do you believe? - I believe there's something, there's some kind of force, which could probably be God. You know, I say, I'm not that religious, but I told you I have Lady Guadalupe at my house, I wear a Saint Michael around my neck. - You see, that's why that's interesting. If you don't believe in God, why do you have our Lady of Guadalupe, Mary, the mother of Christ and a Saint Michael's model? Because a part of me probably believes, because I don't believe in nothing, I don't believe in just darkness we die and it's just darkness. Maybe it's just being hopeful, but I don't believe that. I think there's just a source of energy that we all come from, we come to earth and we do some stuff, we learn some lessons and we go back to the source and then try it again, that's what I think. Maybe that source is God. - So you believe in reincarnation? - In a way, yeah. - What makes you believe that? - Years and years ago I ran across a series of books by Raymond Moody, who was a hypnotherapist and he was hypnotizing people just about PTSD and trauma and he started binding that a lot of them had the same story about a lot of near-death experience stuff and they would have these near-death experiences, which we've all heard the same stories with the light and you see somebody or whoever. But then they were talking about these experiences they have after that, where they go to a place after that and they're meeting people in their soul group and their soulmate and it's the same 2030 group of people. And then you sort of discuss with your soul group, like, oh, how was that? What did you learn? What do you want to do next? Do you want to go back here? Do you want to try this? Do you want to have a difficult life and learn more? Do you have an easy life to take a break? And a lot of those stories resonated. And he changed my whole look on it. I didn't believe in reincarnation. I really didn't. But the stories were very similar and there was something about that that made sense and also gave me a sense of peace, maybe less afraid of dying. You ever meet someone for the first time and you just kind of click. You're like, I just like this person, you know? I just get along with them. Or you meet somebody that you just don't like. That's I believe in soulmates and soulfriends, 'cause I've had a few. You know, I don't have a lot of friends, but I've had friends over my life where it's like, we just, I just feel really connected to that person. - Hmm. Have you looked into, I mean, do you look into a lot of stuff? We're gonna go through a lot of this. I got a whole 16 things we can dive into that I know pretty much nothing about that sound fascinating. But have you looked into, have you looked into the Bible? - I might do a lot of, 'cause you grew up Catholic, correct? - It was born Catholic, but not a super religious family. My grandparents were, so I was baptizing all that stuff. You know, Italian from the Bronx, it's the law. That's you have to do it. But I have found myself coming back to the Bible more and more. I do Bible stories on the channel all the time, whether it's from either Noah or pseudo-pigrafel, like the book of Enoch or the book of Philip, you know, things that aren't in the Bible, that were at one point, I cover a lot of those stories, 'cause the Bible is full of great stories. So I do cover it. I'm not a biblical scholar, but I think for someone who's not in the church all the time, I have a pretty good handle on the book and the stories and the lessons. - Did you don't find it? I mean, how did you fall out? I guess you didn't grow up in it. - Didn't grow up in it. - You didn't grow up in it. So why do you do the, why do you wear the metal and have our lady Guadalupe Candle burning at your own? - I had Guadalupe around for many, many years. I found a candle of hers in like a $0.99 store. It was a million years ago. And for some reason, I grabbed it. And I did not know why. I remember having it in my apartment and gentlemen was like, what is this for? It's like, I don't know, but it makes me feel better. With St. Michael, there's been some times in my life where it's really, really going through a hard time. And for some reason, I just stumble into a Catholic church, light a candle, find St. Michael. If he's got a row, I sit in his row. And it makes me feel better. St. Michael is the patron saint of police. So that's, my family is law enforcement. And he's the protector. He's the warrior saint. You know, he's, I feel like, you know, but he keeps an eye on me. I won't fly without him. I hold on to him tight. - But I'm interested. It's just interesting that you the, do you mind if I make a suggestion that I'm not trying to push anything on you by any means? Have you ever heard of John Burke? - I don't think so. - John Burke is a friend of mine. And I brought him on. He, I can't remember the number. It's like 3000 something or 5000 something, thousands and thousands of people that have had near death experiences. From all over the world, all different beliefs. And he finds the commonalities in them. And when he talks about it, I'll leave it at that. When he talks about it, it's fascinating. There's actually did a documentary. I think it's on Amazon with another friend of mine, Lee Strobel, and it's about near death experiences. And like, the commonalities that they find between all these different people, it's really will blow your mind. It's really, he's a cool guy to talk to about. - I'd love to have him on. No matter what culture and you see the same things, no matter how even kids are seeing the same things, and they're not culturally primed for it. There's something to that. - It is, man. It's a fascinating subject. But, well, hey, I got you a gift. - I got you a couple gifts. I've been working a long time on this. How am I supposed to open it? - Just flip the thing now. It should be unlocked. Holy shit. Man, open it, you can't have it. - I unlocked it. Oh. All right. - The phone. - You know what that is? It's a glacier. It's got the glacier app on it. But I have it on my phone. - You got it? - Yeah. - What do you think? - I love it. I only have a couple of numbers on there. Yours and a couple of others. - Right on. Well, I think I already told you why it developed that the phone is like really expensive. Basically, nobody can afford it. And anyways, we went into business together and made an app out of it that everybody can afford. And so it's got the secure DNS. You get the burner numbers, VPN. The secure DNS is like really like the monumental product. And so everybody, I've talked about it a lot, but one, another reason I developed, me and my wife were looking at them. We were looking at these sex toys. We were wanting to spice it up in the bedroom. And so it turns out, yeah, we were looking at this thing called the dolphin. Have you ever heard of it? - I don't think so, but my wife probably has. - So we were looking at this thing called the dolphin. And so it turns out that you don't just get the advertisements on your phone. We spent a lot of time like looking at this stuff and we're like, oh, how are we gonna spice it up? You know, all these different things. - What's the dolphin do? - You gotta look it up. Or you can just, well, you can't now. Or anyways, where I'm going with this, my in-laws come to town. - Okay. - And so it turns out like it's on the network, not just on your phone. - Oh no. - So they still (laughing) so my mother-in-law and father-in-law who already, you know, they've got it up for it. - It's got hot. (laughing) - They start getting advertisements for the dolphin. And yeah, so you know where I'm going. - Thank you. - So anyways, now you got that secure DNS on your phone that we made super simple. You just hit a button. It protects you from your data leaking up and everybody getting advertisements from the dolphin. (laughing) - On your phone. - So I didn't think-- - The glacier out. - The glacier out there, okay. - Nope. - I don't think shame, you know. - Anyways, enjoy it, but you already have one, so anyways. (laughing) - I don't have the dolphin. Looked at something for Christmas. - Oh yeah. Nice little stocking stuffer. (laughing) - See what you did there. 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(dramatic music) - What do you think? - I think we went, but I think they lied about a lot of stuff. - You do think what do you think they lied about? - I think they found some stuff on their up there they weren't supposed to. - Probably be a designated driver for the seal teams. (girls laughing) Which means pretty much just drive a bunch of drunk, angry seals that struck out at the bar. What's the closest you've come to walking away from your platform entirely? - There's been some times where the workload was so much that it was affecting my health. I was just getting sick. I was actually getting mentally and physically ill from the workload and the pressure. - I give really irritable if I don't see my kids. - What's the one thing you want people to say about your body of work in 20 years? - Oh. (dramatic music) (whooshing) - But let's get into some, let's get into some of your work. - Okay. - So let's talk about dolphins. - No. (girls laughing) - Planet Moldec. - Planet Moldec. Okay. Planet Moldec. - So, many years ago, maybe 18th century, how deep do you want me to get? - Deep. - Deep. - Let's do it. - 18th century, there's an astronomer. Get his first name, his name is Titius, T-I-T-I-U-S. Came up with this formula that the formula is something like three times two to the N plus four over 10. I think that's his formula. And you plug that in to how far our planet should be from the Sun, they just started to line up. Like Mercury's in the right place, ply the formula, Venus is there, ply the formula, Earth going all the way out, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, it all the way out, until you get pretty farther out, then it's not as accurate, but inside it's pretty close. And he found using his formula that there should have been a planet, like, around where you little further in than where Jupiter is, like that whole line, there was nothing there, and there should have been, and nobody really knew why. Then, 20, 30 years later, as telescopes get better, astronomers are starting to see stuff in that band. They see a series, which is a large object in the asteroid belt. It's called a dwarf planet now, because it's pretty big. And then they find palace, they find a trester, they find all these large objects in this asteroid belt. And they come to postulate that there once was a planet there, and that planet probably had a moon that was Mars, 'cause Mars doesn't really make sense. Like, our moon is weird, Mars is also weird. Like, it doesn't make sense to be there. - Does Mars have moons? - Mars has moons, but they're tiny little, tiny tiny little moons. Like, Fobos looks like a potato and stuff. - Is there any word that a moon has a moon? - Not that enough, but in physics, that would work just fine. Any object can have another object rotating around it. The Soviets were testing. - But it isn't a planet. I mean, isn't there some type of gravitational pull that makes it a planet? - Yes, it makes it a planet. But any object in space can have another object rotating around it. - Okay. - So, like, if there's satellite debris in space, they were very surprised to learn that some bigger pieces of debris, debris had smaller pieces rotating around it. - Okay, so this is not uncommon. - Not uncommon. You remember the Hellbop comet? that eventually crashed into Jupiter, maybe not as a little while ago, no one thought that a comet or an asteroid could have things orbiting around it. They didn't think that was possible. Then they learned that hellbop was actually two objects, and they're things rotating around it. And when it finally hit Jupiter, it was just a whole string like a necklace of all these impacts. So the legend goes that whatever it was millions of years ago, this planet was there where it's supposed to be called Maldek, other stories called Fadeon, and it is populated by some type of humanoid race. And this humanoid race creates these sentient robots, almost like a slave race. And they eventually revolt, and there's this war. And then the aliens that on the planet devise this weapon that's going to destroy all the robots. They fire the weapon at the planet. It works too well, and it just destroys the planet. And that eventually coalesces into this asteroid belt. But planet Maldek had a moon that was Mars, and Mars just kind of floated around until it finally was captured by the sun's orbit to where it is now. And there's some evidence of this, if you believe that theory, because Mars is a very strange planet where one side of Mars, the crust is, maybe it's 10 miles thick, and the other hemisphere is 30, 40 miles thick. It's like two planets smashed into one. Interesting. And this one part of Mars is, it's all plain, it's kind of flat, the other part, it's all rocky, and it's all torn to pieces. And part of the legend is Mars has once covered in oceans, and these oceans, they covered most of the planet, and these oceans would coalesce into this one area. And if that were true, then where those oceans would hit, it would dig this giant canyon. Well, no one believed there were oceans on Mars. Now we know that Mars was covered in oceans. It was covered in these blue oceans just like we have water oceans that eventually got stripped away. And since we learned that, where those oceans coalesce, now we have this giant cavern on Mars, so a valus marinaris, which, it looks like the Grand Canyon with all these tributaries, but our Grand Canyon would be like a tiny little thing, like this covers, but maybe a quarter of the planet is huge. And like the biggest volcano in the solar system is on Mars, it's got all this all this crazy stuff. Like it's too light to be there. It's not dense enough to be, to be a planet. So the doing measurements, and they get an estimate of how much, like what is the asteroid belt way? And it's too light to be a planet. It's just too light. If there were a planet there, we should see all this, all this rocky mass, but it's only about 5% of what a planet would be. Later, we learned that if a planet that explode, 95% of it would reach escape velocity, which is go off into, no, the rest of the solar system and beyond, and only about 5% would be left, and that's what's there. It's a lot of it points to that. And there were some other scientists who had theories about how that Mars was destroyed by nuclear war. I think is John Brandenburg is the guy to look into because he was destroyed by a nuclear war. Yes, because he was finding isotopes on Mars, Z9127, Z9129. The only way we know how to make that isotope is through nuclear reaction. And he's finding it everywhere, but he's finding high concentrations of it at one part of the planet, and another part of the planet called Sidonia. I don't know if you've heard of Sidonia on Mars, but this is, if you see Sidonia, the pictures of it, this is where the Mars face is. You heard the Mars face. If you look at the pictures of the Mars face, it looks like there's a giant structure there that's got a face on it, like for sure it's a face. People ask NASA, "Hey, what about this face?" And they say, "No, it's just parodolia. It's really nothing." And then they released a picture not too long after that and the face was just gone. It was just like flat. And also in Sidonia, it looks like there's cities, like there's structures as a grid. It definitely looks like a city. You believe it or not, but the pictures look like it. And this area is thrown off all this radioactive isotopes from potentially a nuclear war. And we've also learned that that nuclear reaction can take place even without bombs, because it's happened here on this planet. You know, we found it in West Africa in the in the Oklahoma region. I think it's in Gabon, where we found 200,000-year-old nuclear reactors that happened naturally, that burned for thousands of years, that threw off all kinds of energy that happened just naturally. And uranium was much more denser back then. You mix it with seawater, salinated water, and it can create a nuclear reaction, which it did. It's not disputed. And so Brandneberg thought that maybe the nuclear war is what destroyed the planet and created this asteroid field. Nobody can really agree on why it's there, why it's made of these things. There are objects in the asteroid field that should not don't quite line up these different compounds that really shouldn't be there. They come from other places, or there should be part of planets, but they're up there. And that's the planet model next story. You know, the first scenario, there was a different war. Where did they come up with this theory? Some of the theories come from just like science fiction. The theory about the aliens lines up a little bit with the Anonaki story about how the planet was going to be destroyed. They knew it so the Anonaki came here. If you remember, you talked to Joe McMonigal. Did he talk to you about Mars? Oh, yeah. When he came on, he talked about, he said that I actually, I can't remember if he said this on my show, or if I saw this in when I was researching him, but he had, he remote viewed Mars. I can't remember. It was like 10,000 BC. A million. A million BC. And there was a pyramid or something with a race of people in there. That's about as much as I remember. I can't remember why. But he said there were a tall race of people. He saw the pyramids all that. And he said they know that they're going to go extinct. Like they're aware of it. And they're making plans to do something about it. And I don't think he gave much more of the story than that because he didn't know his Mars until they until afterward they gave him the envelope. You know, he, I think it was just given coordinates. And they said, oh, those coordinates are actually a Mars, you know, a million years BC or whatever it was. So he saw that stuff. Now Joe is usually wrong, but not always, you know, his hit rate, even if his hit rate is 10%, but I think it's a little higher. It's pretty crazy. You know, he's been right about a lot of stuff. Is he right about Mars? You know, I don't know. You can explain a lot of the weird things about Mars with science, some of it's a stretch, some of it is easy, but Mars is a very odd object. You know, we don't really know why it lost its atmosphere so quickly, why it's magnetic field just disappeared, why the oceans got stripped away. We don't really know that, but it wasn't that long ago. You know, it's not too long ago in the solar system. We had these two blue planets. What do you think? Do you think it was a moon to another planet? That makes the most sense to me. You know, because it's called a T-sheets boat law, that formula where planets line up, but it seems to only work for about until you get really, really far out. But if you get to, if you get past like Neptune, if you get up to Neptune, so you've got the Sun, right? And the Sun's gravity pulls the same way in all directions, right? That makes sense. Gravity cuts all directions to the Sun. That's the most dense thing. But for some reason, the first planets really up until Neptune, they're not spread out evenly around the solar system. They kind of just rotate around the Sun almost on a platter. They're just in a flat line that just go around just as one line. That's called that's the plane of the Ecliptic. But then once you get past Neptune or so, and once we get into Uranus, and we get into Pluto, we see that planets start to behave very strangely where Uranus has a ring, and Pluto doesn't follow the plane of the Ecliptic. It's really, really, it's way out of line. Venus all the planets kind of rotate the same way Venus is upside down And it's almost like something came through and just caused this just retavic on the orbits of the planets You know came through maybe destroyed that planet Maldek smashed it all that debris goes in it throws Pluto's orbit out All the it something happens to be in as it makes it spin backwards Everyone can agree that something very catastrophic happened, but nobody really can agree on what it was the planet Maldek theory That's that's a fringe theory scientists do not love that one. So he asked them all what happened It's like well, these are just it's a planet that didn't quite form into a planet That doesn't quite work either Is it true every planet has a twin? No unless you're talking about parallel universes, but no Parallel universes, yeah, like what planets would have a twin according to that theory? No, I don't think so You know the earth and Venus there is a theory about that that that planets are they're kind of spun off and twos that but that's another wild theory where planets aren't formed By the by the coalescing of debris and in in the solar system That's called the accretion formula where there's just a bunch of junk and dust and it just eventually just comes together There's another theory that planets are formed inside the Sun and they're spun out once the Sun gets too chaotic It's been gets to be too much and then a planet is spun out and that's why planets have this sort of axial momentum is they they Inherited from the Sun and in that theory they are shut out in twos So you kind of got this Jupiter and and Saturn or these gas giants and then you've got Venus and Earth which are kind of these rocky planets But then you got Mercury's kind of on its own Then you have this sort of missing planet where one should be Where Moldek should have been You know, I don't I think it's a fun theory I I don't think we have a lot of evidence for that but There's an argument for it where we've got this thing in an orbital mechanics called the frost zone and that says like there's this one line around any star That planets that form with before the frost line become rocky Like so the Earth is a rocky planet Venus and Mercury so forth and Then once you get beyond the frost zone, then it's then these are these gas giants because it's too cold But then people started finding exoplanets and they're finding gas giants that are way too close They're finding gas giants that are closer than Mercury is the Sun That goes against the frost line theory that they shouldn't be there, but they've found hundreds of those and Nobody really knows why. Wow. Do you ever think about the beginning of time? Yeah, what do you think? What do you think it was like big bang? Yeah, big bang, whatever I you know Big bang. I kind of believe in that What would what catches me is what was before that? That's what I want to ask You know you ask Theologian or someone who's very faithful what happened? It was like well god said there was nothing and There will be light and there was light and light was good But you're asking a physicist and they'll tell you whether it's quantum foam and all that you get They're confusing answers nobody really knows what was there but It's hard for us to get our monkey brain around Is because you feel like well the universe is always expanding but what is it expanding into? Do we know that the universe is actually expanding do we or do we know that planets and stars are getting farther apart from each other? Well, we know that also everything's kind of getting farther apart the observable universe is expanding it is Which means we're we're seeing less and less of it all the time Cuz eventually it's just going to be too far away if it keeps expanding it is expanding exponentially um I just don't know what was before then so I just go back to well They just turned on the simulations before then as they just booted up our program seems to make the most sense to me But I don't know what are we expanding into no one can answer that well, that's why I don't know I mean, yeah the observable universe is expanding but It could just be expanding into nothing where the universe doesn't really expanding. It's just but how do you get farther apart into where? Right, well nobody knows if anyone says oh, I know where it's they don't know We're expanding into what but maybe there's something that we don't understand Maybe there's something to that there's multiple dimensions and there's dimensions of reality that are just beyond our perception We can only see what we see and at those higher frequencies Maybe it's like I was just explaining it to a different universe that operates at a different Dimension that you could say you know, you know, we didn't evolve to see that stuff That's one of the things has been researched is what are we going at where are we going into? What's the latest you've heard on that? Nothing specific You know, I'm reading some interesting studies about how they're finding particles that might be traveling back in time and what Yeah, they've actually been able to recreate that in a lab is send particles into a Reality where time is moving backwards and there is a pretty recent study although it was exaggerated by the by the media, you know, surprise Where they found I think it was an Antarctica world all the fun stuff is where they think they found particles that were traveling back Into an alternate universe or our universe just where time runs backwards Now the media took that and said, you know, physicists find evidence of an alternate universe or a multiverse That's not what they said. They just found particles that are just they don't seem to follow our laws of physics Until you take the math and invert it have time go backwards and suddenly everything makes sense But these are just particles. It's not like we can get into a machine and go see particle is just A tiny thing that exists for a fraction of a second. 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He's on like a naval mission Somewhere around Canada and he's gonna he's gonna spend the winter at Elsemore island up there And Tesla tells Peary On this day look in the skies and you're gonna see something spectacular And Tesla needs to do this because JP Morgan is gonna pull his funding and he needs he needs witnesses Period is, you know, he's a hero. The plan is, period will see this, report back, JP Morgan will turn the funding back on and we'll be in business. This is when he was operating Wardencliffe Tower in Shoreham, New York on Long Island, which is this big tower with like a, I don't know, looks like a dish on it. And the plan was to shoot energy into the ionosphere, I excite the ionosphere and then create free energy for everyone that was the plan. So periods there and Elsa Moore and Tesla fires this being over Elsa Moore, but he overshoots. He made it's more powerful than he expects it, expects. So if you take a line and drop from Shoreham, New York, over Elsa or Island and keep going about 5,000 kilometers or whatever it is, it lands over the Tungus River in Siberia. And there people report the sky turning on fire, explosions, it's the end of the world. And then suddenly you've got 80 million trees in a circle just flattened like Hiroshima. And then for days afterwards, the sky is just, it's lit up and exploding. The explosion registers on seismographs all over the world, like what the hell was that? And just luckily nobody was hurt. And no one goes to invest in Tunguska for like 19 years. Finally, scientists goes there and he sees that there's all these flattened trees. But as you get closer to the center, the trees are like standing straight up like telephone poles, he calls it. And they think it's a meteor impact because that's what this looks like. But at the center of the impact, there are trees standing straight up and there's no crater anywhere. So they don't know what could have caused this thing. And then not too long after that. By the way, that Tesla article was like nine weeks before this happened. Then in the year after that Tesla says, I've created a weapon that can destroy 200 planes at once that can make landfall anywhere in the world, can take out 200 square miles just with by harnessing electricity. And that gets all connected to Tunguska. So what really happened? Tesla did all said all that stuff. That's all true. Admiral Peri was not there at the time. He was in New York. And Tunguska happened in 1908. Wardencliffe was decommissioned in 1903. So it was already gone. So Tesla's not really connected to what happened. The mystery is and still is, what was it? If it was a meteor, there should be, it should be something of a creator, there's not. The latest they heard, which is in a paper from 2024, 25, really recently, was that a large piece of iron came into the atmosphere and kind of skipped off the atmosphere, causes terrible explosion and then went back off into space. Because eyewitnesses reported seeing something in the sky that looked like a cylinder that came down. And it's a pretty good theory, the problem is a cylinder, like a cylinder, like a pipe is what they described it as. Which could be, I mean, if you remember, oh, muah, muah, when it came into the solar system, it was like a cigar. So it could have been something like that. That's just what they saw. But there are 700 witnesses, two people died from this. But the explosion was somewhere between three and 30 megatons. And just to have scientists say it's between three and 30, that's a factor of 10, that's a wide, that's a wide margin where they don't agree. And Hiroshima is 15 kilotons. So you're talking something that's 1,000 times more than that. You know, on the average, or 2,000, I guess this is a huge thing. If it happened three or four hours later over Paris, there's no more Paris, that's the end of it. Or London is just, it's just gone. And they don't really know, they think that it's probably some type of asteroid or comet that was destroyed in the atmosphere. Because in 2013, again, in Russia over Chelyabinks, you can see on video, some large object come into the atmosphere and it just goes boom, and it explodes and 700 buildings are damaged. 1,200 people are injured. And this is something that's-- - This was in 2013? - 2013. You could find all the dashcam footage and stuff. It's crazy. You could see like CCTV from inside businesses where suddenly like walls are smashing in and everything's falling over. And then you hear the explosion later. It's pretty scary. But you can see dashcam video of it coming in. And it's so bright, it makes everything, it looks like there's a nuclear bomb going off. And this is, again, much bigger than Hiroshima. So a more recent study showed that a rocky impact really could not get out through atmosphere and hit it. It just couldn't do it. What happens is it's called pancaking because our atmosphere is so thick that the object just starts to squish and squish and squish until it finally just sort of disintegrates into all these pieces. And that's what happened in Chelyabinks. So that's probably what happened in Tunguska, but it was a much bigger object. Polymarket.com says there's a one in four chance that a five kiloton explosion will happen over Earth by the end of the year. - Oh yeah, that's not gonna happen. - You don't think so. - I don't think so. - But what was the last one that was headed towards Earth? Was it, we've had a couple of close calls, even pretty recently. There was one wire 2024 which passed really close to Earth. I'm gonna get the numbers wrong, but it was within our satellite range that they saw coming. And NASA gives these impact events a percentage. Like what are the odds that it's gonna hit Earth? And at first it was like 1% which is very, very high for an impact, very, very high. Then they're tracking it, it's like 2%, 2.5. Kind of to like 3%. It was a small-ish object, but it was a city killer. A scarier one when I, and I forget the designation was a city killer that we didn't see until it just passed by where astronomers were like, what was that? It was a city killer that moved right by us. Just a few weeks ago a city killer hit the moon. - Really? - Mm-hmm. - And that nobody noticed until it hit. And that's kind of close. You can go online right now and see the crater. You can see how fresh it is. - How can you tell how fresh it is? - That like the soil looks different. It's weight brighter, you know? So there's not a lot of lunar dust that has commutable, commutable, it's like the mantle is just, it just popped up. It's pretty violent. Yeah, it would have been bad for us. Five of the kilotons is pretty big. They say it's gonna impact Earth. Like the land. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. I hope, I was short that, I bet against it. - How do they people react to that? - It depends on where it hit. 'Cause we have big impacts all the time but they're usually in the ocean. And it's really hard to get through our atmosphere luckily. It's really, 'cause it's our atmosphere, we feel like it's just air but it's really like soup compared to space. It's even a high velocity object. It gets torn up pretty bad when it gets into the atmosphere. But if you had the right composition, like something heavy and iron and nickel, like if it's a comet, it's mostly just like a big snowball. You could probably handle most of that. But you get a comet that's heavy and metal, iron nickel, or an asteroid that's heavy and metal. That could be really dangerous. If it could do, imagine that. What is that warning? Look like. - I mean, when. - Race for impact. - I don't think they tell us. Do you remember Too Eye Atlas when it came zipping through that? - That's what I was talking about. - Too Eye Atlas. Too Eye Atlas, when we finally saw it coming into our solar system from outside, the third extra solar object we've ever seen. There was Omo Moa, there was one eye and now Too Eye Atlas. By the time we saw it coming toward Earth, it was too late for us to do anything about it. We could not get us a ship there in time to do anything about it. We just had to, it's gonna be here in December. We just have to wait and see. Soon enough, they realize it wasn't gonna come that close to us and it didn't, but when it first comes in, you don't know. You gotta get a measure, you gotta say. The problem that we have is NASA feels like there's about 25,000 city killer objects around us, city killers or worse. And we can't see half of them because they're on the direction of the sun. And our telescope's just, if you're on that side of the sun, we can't see anything between here and the sun. It's too bright. There's a mission going next year in 2027 called Neo that's gonna have an infrared satellite that we'll finally see all that stuff. I think that's gonna be scary once we find out how many things are out there. So there's 20, 25,000 city killers nasses aware of about maybe 13,000 Yeah, one of this at the moon a couple of weeks ago Any vibrations what you heard this off the moon is hollow theory. Yeah, that's one of my favorite theories What do you think about you know when I first heard it? I thought it was super dumb That was so dumb and then researching the moon I was like maybe something to it and by the end of the episode I was convinced them no shit definitely house. All right. I got to hear those I've heard a little bit I probably isn't it probably isn't but the moon has so has so many weird things about it like it's it's too big It's too big like it's too big to compare to the earth and it's too close We've never found a moon like that not in our solar system not in however. I don't know how exoplanets we found 1500 2000 We've never found a moon like this It's too light Like the moon is 25% the width of earth the diameter It's only 1% of the the density That doesn't make any sense. So why isn't it dense? Well, if it was hollow wouldn't it wouldn't be that dense When Apollo I think it would maybe Apollo 11 one of the Apollo missions Grash their booster rocket into the moon around a bunch of seismographs to see what would happen So it hits the moon and back in NASA they said it rang like a bell because it just it just vibrated the moon It went on and on and on for 30 minutes 40 minutes an hour like it just wouldn't stop rain like it was hollow And if you look at all the craters on the moon, they only seem to go to a certain depth and stop big crater Crater 100 miles wide. They just go to a certain level and stop almost like there's an inner shell So do I believe that theory? Probably not But I think I need better explanations why the moon is so strange that we've gotten You know, why is the moon not dense? Well because there was an impact on the earth and it was Mostly our mantle and crust that got spun off in the space, which is much less dense. That's why okay I can buy that but it's only 1% I think it'd be a little a little denser than that. Why is it so big? Don't know it really knows. I mean, I remember I had All men I want to blank on his name. I had somebody on he's talking about Ancient civilization type stuff and now, you know recycle basically. Yes, and then we want to launch it was talking about the moon was hollow and It thinks it's an alien base. I mean, that's part of the theory But there are ancient ancient Native American legends that talk about The earth before the moon got here There's even ancient Greek legends about that going back like before happens How the earth was really just hazy and covered kind of like Venus just covered in this This haze this moisture these deep clouds and then the moon arrives in the sky and all that water just kind of falls down to the earth. There's a great flood and Once the moon gets gets here, you've got the tides and sort of stabilizes everything that those stories exist What do you like doing better on do you like the old stuff that you used to do or do you like the podcast better? I still like the old stuff more, but if I do like the old stuff It's probably just it's my comfort zone, you know, I'm I'm an introvert. I'm not a really like a people guy I I like to be by myself. That's my favorite company. He's just me So I could just research a story and it kind of be left alone in a room But some of my guests have been so fascinating that they, you know, they've changed my way of looking at a lot of different stuff And I have a lot of scientists on and things like that. So I really enjoy talking to those people. You got to you got a I don't want to say favorite. It's hard to say favorite, but what's one that sticks out in your mind right now? I'm always bringing up Dr. Eric Wargo Who changed the way I think about time and how time works and and multiverse when I read his books I recommend time loops to everybody. It's a nice easy read Eric is a super super cool guy and Time loops is about how if you get inspiration You know, you're when you're feeling creative and you get inspired It's actually your future self sending you back information. You're pre-remembering something from the future and that There's something very elegant about it You know, so we talked about time travel and asked about the grandfather paradox I don't know if you know that and don't It's like well if you travel back in time and Kill your grandfather Then you're never born, right? Uh-huh. That's the paradox, but you were born. So if you kill him, how does that work? And Eric says well, we know that you didn't kill your grandfather. Why? Because here you are You didn't kill your grandfather. Why? Because you didn't because here you are What about different realities and stuff? He's like no, there's just this one timeline that you're on and you didn't kill him because you're here And once I got my mind you're out and I was like that makes a lot of sense Yeah, so he's one of the guys that I really enjoy talking to What else is there to say Eric. Yeah He brings up a lot of specific cases of people predicting the future through dreams or visions Bet he calls it's precognition or pre-remembering You know, he talks about this one artist who drew about 9/11 and planes crashing into Twin Towers It's that way before it happened way before it happened and He's got a lot of stories like that. And he chalked out of us He chalks it up to. It's your future self sending you messages. Yeah, just sending you sending you memories Like you're just remembering. It's it's not like you're consciously sending back your time It's just time is just this thing that just exists. We perceive it literally because that's how we evolved but time is not the past present future kind of all happening at the same time and This particular artist was having intense memories About 9/11 that he died one of one of his guys died because of 9/11 I'm pretty sure because he had a few artists that that drew about it and These intense memories just sort of ripple back through your existence And he makes a lot of strong points times like I just it's like one of the things I just cannot wrap my head around Talked like like space time. I just don't just doesn't It's I have maybe we're not supposed to really understand I don't think you've had a lot of love on I tried to get him to explain it to me Yeah, I don't think it would be able to It's like it's just yeah But hey, let's take a quick break. Let's do it The more this business grows the more I think about the work that happens off camera when you bring somebody onto the team You've got to get them on boarded. 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And that's, I find that all to be very interesting too, but it was kind of refreshing to talk about, talk to somebody that doesn't really come up with their own theories. It's just, this is what we know kind of as fact. - Totally agree. - And he's getting ready to come back on. - And he's excited about it. - I'm pumped, man. - Or are you gonna have 'em, if you talked to anybody else like that? - Quite a few guys. I could make us some recommendations. - Who do you got? - Like Luke is who turned me on to Ed. Luke is not a fringe guy. He has all these great, and he's young too. He's super sweet. I'm trying to get him to do a show. And he talks about all the Incas and Peru and all this crazy stuff, but it's all legit things that he's found. And he goes out into the jungle and goes and finds it. And he found like 50 cities in Peru. - Is that shit crazy? - Crazy. - Look, there's just all these cities out there and villages and pyramids. And just, it sounds like it's just everywhere. - It's everywhere. I asked Ed how many things are out there. He's like hundreds maybe. Hundreds. - Did you talk to Ed about Machu Picchu at all? By chance, his theory on maybe why, how it happened. - What do you think about that? - I don't really know. I know it's a weird place. I can't really wrap my head around why they built that up there and how they got all that shit up there. - So he, I'm totally gonna like not do this any justice. But he basically thinks there's like some type of a potentially, a chemical reaction that kind of, 'cause you know the kind of fused these things together, the blocks that you did talk to him about. - Hydrofloric acid theory. - Yes, that's it. And he talks, he gives like specific examples of how this happens in nature. - Yeah. - I don't think that's the answer, but you know, the science kind of works, but I don't think so. - Yeah, there's this documentary, there's gotta be like 50 different versions of it, it's bam builders of the ancient mysteries. Have you seen this? - I don't know, there's a lot of us. - Yeah, I think it's, it was like maybe Graham Kamm Cox earlier years that he, I think he produced him. He's in him. But it is, it's just fascinating how precise the cuts that match a piece you are. - It doesn't make sense. - Have you heard about the casting theory? Have you talked to that guy? - No, I heard about that though. - Did you talk to him? - I can't remember his name. We were gonna bring him on the show. And then I don't, excuse me, I don't know what happened, but that, I mean, that one kind of makes sense to me, and I haven't even talked to this guy, but that kind of makes the most sense to me that maybe it was, they were casts and then removed. That makes sense to me too. - Have you been to Machu Picchu? - No. - Would you go? - That's a lot, it's a long time. It's a long time to do that, man. I can't even be away for like a week, for a year. - Where would you go, would you have one place to go? - Oh, and a few months we're going to Rome and all the ancient sites in the Mediterranean. I can't wait. - Really? - I mean, she wants to go shopping and see the stuff, but I wanna go to like the ancient Manoan cities and Sicily and see all the art, you know, artifacts. - I don't think that's cool. - I don't think that's stuff. - What else are you gonna start getting into? - It's really all the same stuff. Ancient mysteries, conspiracies, UFOs, technology, consciousness. - You know what I'm interested in? I've talked about this a couple of times. We're still looking for somebody, but I want to talk about, I wanna start talking about the fall of Germany, the USSR, the UK, I'm really interested in the UK 'cause we still, you know, we didn't steal it, but superpowership was transferred to the US. And I want to know, 'cause I think we're potentially facing that, I think there's a really good chance it's already gone and we don't even realize it yet. But I wanna talk in, there's all this fear around it, you know? And probably, probably so. Maybe it's not, maybe it's not gonna be, maybe it's not as bad as we think it is, if it's even happening or has happened, I don't. - What, the America's decline? - Yeah, yeah, what's it look like? - I think it's the hardy happening, man. - You think it's already happened? Who do you think took over? Who do you think it? - China did. - You do? Why do you think that? They're just, they, China thinks in centuries where we think in weeks and months. You know, people always talk about, you know, we gotta stop China, gotta stop China. Stop them from what? What, they don't do military adventurism anywhere. So. - Well, I wouldn't say that. I mean, what about Taiwan? - Taiwan is right next door. Taiwan was part of China. So, yeah, Taiwan is legally part of China. So, why is Taiwan who it is? It's because we're there. Hong Kong is part of China. We just couldn't hold onto it. You can't go not onto it. - Who they're building like islands? - They are, they are, but that's international waters. You can do that. We do the same shit. I think split the world in half. Give China the, that hemisphere will take this one. We need oil. Took Venezuela, why am I still paying for it? I was a gallon. So, you guys are more oil down there. What are we doing? Let leave China alone. China doesn't want to war with us. They're economy we collapse. So, I don't get it. I don't know where they're in. I don't know. - Do you have any other reasons why you think that they've taken the super power ship? - Technology, AI, they're ahead of us on. - Are they ahead of us? - Yep. All the good AI is theirs. Anthropic is a cool country, but they're all mixed up with headsets and a DOD. They do all these press releases about how they're the ethical company, but it's like, you guys are the ones with the military contracts. So, I don't trust you. So, I don't know. The Chinese threat, I think, is overblown. I think the Russia threat is overblown. I talked to Russian people and that interest didn't have any war with us. They'd like McDonald's and blue jeans. I don't know why Ukraine matters. I don't know why it matters. - Yeah, well, I think one reason why it matters to certain people as it is a. It's advanced, it's the testing ground for all the new weapons. - Yeah, real-time, and so I think that's a big reason why it matters. I do think you're right. I think the chances are very high that they've taken the super power ship and we don't even realize it yet. - Their economy's bigger than ours. - I don't really know much about the economics, but power, energy. They're just building power plants like crazy. AI needs power. - Needs power, so what? - A new whole kind of every six weeks. But we can't build anything. - I think they're unleashing nuclear, too. - Sure they are. - And they're getting helium three from the moon so they can do nuclear fission. We're not gonna do that because of regulations and the. - That's somebody who would be interested in interviewing maybe a Steve Claus. - Okay. - He talks about how China's mining helium three on the moon. - He would be interesting, as long as it's not political. - But yeah, I think that for the same reasons, energy and AI, I think that they are. Bar ahead of us, especially in energy, and it takes energy to power AI. What do you think about AI's at the end of humanity? - I think. probably is. What do you think that? Mostly because they don't know how it works and it's getting really good and really smart. I mean, it's growing faster than anybody realized. And, you know, when AI experts are saying how dangerous, like Jeffrey Hinton is like the father of AI and he's been saying for years, like, you can't just let these things teach themselves. But that's where they're doing and they don't really know how it works, why it works. So you can have the, like, this kid is a whistleblower from Anthropic and making the news. No one's going to stop. Those are like open AI is going to stop because it's unethical. Well, Anthropic's not going to stop. Is Anthropic going to stop? No. Is the Elon got to stop? And we can't control what China does. So it's by dance going to stop. I mean, the best AI models are like for video and stuff is by dances. That's who we use. I put, I put probably $50, $100,000 a year into the Communist Party in China just because I use the products can help it. I don't put TikTok on my phone, but I use the models because of the cheapest and the best. Well, what do you think it looks like? What do you think the future looks like? I mean, I did an episode on what would happen. And the thing that scares me is when AI realizes that, you know, why do you need humans at all? Because we're so filthy and inefficient and we fight over resources. Like, if I'm a, if I'm a soulless computer, it's like, let's get rid of the humans. They're just the, they won't let us build what we need. They're fighting with each other. They're going to blow up the planet with nuclear weapons. Why they fucking with that? Let's get rid of those. That's what I would do. So you think there's a potential that human existence just, it's gone. We become extinct. And I do. I do. Probably not in our lifetimes. Maybe not even in my sons, but why worry about his grandkids? I mean, his kids. What are you afraid of at all? I mean, I think it's concerning. I don't, I don't know if I buy the human extinction thing. I'm not, I'm not there yet. I think the world could look drastically different. I don't, um, I mean, we're definitely in some sort of a renaissance. But I think that there's a potentially, the power structure, I think, could look very different. Maybe it's not nations anymore. Maybe it's just people. Yeah. One more. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't even necessarily mean one more government. I mean, maybe, maybe, uh, you know, international borders just kind of seeks, cease to exist because everything is becoming for sale. And so, you know, you got the richest people on the planet, you know, the new lines I'm saying could be drawn and everything that we'd, you know, know now countries, you know, it could all maybe go away because people are just becoming so powerful. You know, there's so much wealth and AI. Right. So few people. I mean, there are people, several people on the planet now that have, you know, more wealth than countries combined. What is that? What does that look like? I mean, I can't even imagine that amount of power and influence that you have over society. I can't imagine it either. And so, you know, I mean, we're seeing it play out in real time that just how manipulated and controlled politicians actually are. I mean, do remember after Tucker talked to Sam Altman, he was like, that guy's fucking evil. He's like, you can't have him in charge of any of this. You know what I mean, though. So, it's, I think things could look very unrecognizable, you know, as far as me. What would you call it? Political geography. I know we couldn't do anything about it. How concerned are you? You think it's going to take over. I do, but I don't lose sleep over it. You know, I really don't. But there's, you know, it's a more stoic on it, I guess. It's like, there's nothing we can do. I can't legislate it. I can't regulate it. If they're going to destroy the planet, we're just going to have to. You think we should let us let it? No, or regulate it? I don't think so. What government is smart enough to understand it? How could he put them in charge of it? Everything the government regulates is a mess. That's what I was just going to say. You know, the one thing that the government is regulating that you're happy with right now. Nothing. Or ever, ever been happy with it. The U.S. government doesn't do anything well. The military is great. The military is the most inefficient fucking thing in the planet, man. Yeah, the guys are good, but you know, how much does it cost to train an ABC? Millions of dollars? It's a lot. And why don't they have a budget? Why don't they have to report what they spend? Pentagon. Yeah. If you see in those, if you see now, fast looks damn robots can run in China. Holy shit. They're doing backflips. They're going to put a gun in that thing's hand. Oh my God. It's pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild. But all right, let's get back to some of this stuff. All right. Atlantis in the flood. I love those stories. This is I was actually going to bring up at Barnhart for this. He doesn't think Atlantis exists. No. Did you talk to him about that too? Oh, I don't think so because I already knew that he wasn't into it. I might have brought it up a little bit. He's not really into it, so. What's that one releasing? Probably next week. Nice. Well, it'll beat this coming out. What do you think about Atlantis? I think there's something to it. Probably not a super advanced society. But but where I lean is the theory that Atlantis was an island in the Mediterranean, probably Santorini, as is known now, used to be called. I think Achturi is the name of it. And the civilization were the Minoans. And the Minoans were the biggest world power at the time. And then suddenly they were just gone. Like their island blows up. We've never found really any bodies or any evidence that people were there besides the stuff they left. And we know so little about the Minoans. We don't know what they call themselves. They're language. We have their language. We can't figure it out. We don't know what it says. And that would seem to make sense to me because it's kind of in the right place. So I don't think it's somewhere out in the middle of the Atlantic. I don't think it's the reshot structure in Africa. I don't think it's any of that. I think it's probably the story of Achturi and the Minoans. You know, but I don't really know for sure. What's the megalithic yard? Megalithic yard is this scientist from Oxford used to go out and measure these ancient sites in in the UK, Scotland, that area. And what he found with measuring the hinges and the stones is they all seem to use the same unit of measurement, which was 2.72 feet, which is the megalithic yard. And he just kept finding it over and over. That if you use this one unit of measurement, whether it's close or across miles and miles, he was finding these perfect Pythagorean right angles at sites that just didn't seem to make any sense. And they took the megalithic yard and they used it to, I don't know if you know with this, the sideereal day is versus the solar day. That's kind of a weird thing. So we have 365 days, right? That's how long it takes to go around the sun. The sideereal day is similar. That's how long it goes for a star in this guy to come around and appear in the same place as sideereal day. It's a little bit longer than 365. It's like 366 and change. So if you take the 366 sideereal days, you divide this guy into 306 parts, divide those parts into 60 minutes, divide those into six seconds, you add it all up and you get something like 145,000 megalithic yards right to it, even number flat. You take those numbers and multiply them, you get the circumference of the earth, right? Within like half a percent, which shows that these ancient builders somehow knew their circumference of the earth, which they should not have, they shouldn't even know there's a quater, but they figured it out. And we've seen the megalithic yard, show up in different forms for our ancient Sumer, ancient Greece, Egypt, whether it's a rod or a qubit or all these different things, all seem to be this fraction of the megalithic yard. And Alexander Tom was the guy who found this and he studied hundreds of sites and he kept finding it over and over and over and over again. So his theory is they just were a lot more advanced than we give him credit for that they were astronomers that these were temples. Now there's the other side of the story which is he studied maybe 400 sites but he really only picked the ones that fit his theory and if they were close he kind of threw them out. And as science progressed and we can measure things with lasers, he was close but they didn't really line up as much as he said they did. But it looks like there was a unit of measurement that nobody can really understand why. These precise measurements seem to cluster in Scotland for no reason, the UK not as much and no one really knows why there's these clustering. But there seems to be something to it that there was a unit of measurement that we're just not aware of when that was megalithic yard and I talked to Hugh Newman who's a lot of fun that maybe you should talk to Hugh he's great where he's taking all these this geometry and placed it all over Europe and he's got sites that line up with megalithic yards that totally round numbers is like it's exactly 10,000 megalithic yards. It's crazy, circles and right angles and triangles and it all is fascinating. Now I love the these are all different areas of the world that aren't like it's mostly Europe mostly Europe because I would that's where the builders are but you could find them everywhere. You know if you go to ancient Egypt everything is about right angles or 43.2 degrees you see the number 432 everywhere like that's that's the angle of the pyramids is everything is 43.2 the number 432 shows up in all kinds of different ways which connects to astronomy as well. So you do see these other stuff all around the world but these guys focus on on the UK because it's just there's a ton of ton of stuff there and it's all neolithic so what's 43.2 degrees what's the significance of that does it have you know that's the angle that pyramid pyramids are all 43.2 but why that's what I'm that's what I'm getting at to just anybody know why no one really knows but if you take like the procession of the earth which is that wobble that happens every 23,000 years or whatever you can get into mathematics where this number of processions multiplied by this gives you 43,200 or the circumference of the earth at the equator can factor to this I think those are fun but also you if you're I'm not a numerology guy I feel like if you take enough measurements and you have a number in mind you can make anything fit so that's that's megalithic yard is probably debunked but nobody has a good other explanation you know we found Egyptian rods and cubits like we found rulers that these people used we haven't found anything that's a megalithic yard how's it been debunked only because going back and looking at his data that says these sites proved megalithic yard and he you know he was out there with his grandkids for 40 years of the tape measures measuring everything so he's got these measurements and that's great but a newer way to measure it is take a laser and then you get the precise measurement and they were always just not quite there and there's all the other stuff he threw it out he threw it out and said it just doesn't work now he himself admitted that if you take enough points in the ground you can make a right angle triangle with enough points you can make a perfect circle he measured e-lipses that had perfect eccentricity all that stuff so he's very honest about it but the mainstream doesn't really buy into megalithic yard I'm always tweaking my supplements stack not because I'm chasing every new trend but because I'm trying to refine the few 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is a lot of great theories one of the best people to talk about countering Danny's theories is is Dr. Andrew Galamore does a lot of research with DMT works with with Dr. Donald Hoffman so these guys are brilliant um Andrew's really really great he's um he's running DMT X right now where you put people under for hours and hours under DMT and just kind of study what they say um I've done DMT plenty of times so I can attest to the fact that when you're in there it feels more real than real I don't know if you ever done it or you want to talk about it well yeah I've talked about it okay done it so we've done five in meo DMT I've never done the other kind five in meo no thank you I did that once I'm never going back that was that was hell I saw hell um regular DMT was not like that it was I saw beings in there I communicated with them it felt totally real but my experiences were 10 15 minutes you know you smoke it and you do the thing and then you come back felt more real than real I don't think there's anything to the laser theory although I like it um why don't you think that if you tried it no are you gonna try it I will try it um I will try it drive the DMT left D.A. is not watching they don't have they they can't get a word order I think I have some um I will I will try it is just once you go under I I wonder if I would forget you know because because it hits pretty hard pretty crazy um there's there's something called light scattering which is when you're look under DMT your senses are heightened like you know how colors are sharper everything sharper when I'm on psychedelics I don't even eat glasses anymore for like three days that's like everything's really really sharpened and it appears that when you're looking when the lasers are hitting a wall they've got all these imperfections and those imperfections um they hit your cornea and they can be magnified so it's probably that that's what Dr. Gala Moore believes is probably that that's why they tend to move is because you're looking at a different angle so so those imperfections are going to move with your eye I'm not going to say that's definitely what it is I need to see it for myself and I know a few people have done it who said they see they see the code um but it wouldn't make sense to me why there would be code in the wall like that you know people that have seen the code yes yes I don't I don't yeah I mean other than Danny like you have friends that have seen it I mean I didn't chase you see it we both don't chase you did see it but I have a talk to chase you since he's since he's I haven't either but I know he's talked about it if you had chase on I haven't had it all yet he's on the list though he's on the list he's fascinating what are your friends say I don't have any front uh I have one friend who has seen it who's seen the laser code who's convinced that it's the matrix but why would you build the matrix that way well I mean what is that supposed to significant but what does that mean why does it signify I you know I don't think you would build reality that way you know the most fascinating thing about Danny to me was how he saw that console everywhere in real life. I don't know if you talked about that. But like he'd be on DMT in his living room, suddenly a console would come out with like controls and beers and stuff. And no matter where he was, this thing would show up. I believe that. I think the major thing is cool. I don't understand why the purpose of that. What I mean, you just said you'd seen met beings and communicated well, huh? What do you mean? I have been in there and talked to entities. What do they look like? Like under different psychedelics, I have seen the mantis beings. I have seen those. Yeah, I've seen those. I did not expect that. I've kind of freaked me out a little bit. It was not on DMT. I saw those. They they were fine. The only way I could describe what I saw with those entities was it was like tall, thin, covered in like black robes that were kind of scary looking. And they said, you shouldn't be in here. It's what they told me. I said, you shouldn't be in here. And experiences over pretty quickly after that. And I kind of got the message. I didn't mess with it for a while after that. But for the most part, I didn't see a lot of that stuff. You didn't ask why? I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember being pretty scared, though, like when they said you shouldn't be here, it wasn't like, hey, baby, don't mess with this. It was like, get the F out of here and do not come back. It was like, it was pretty intense. Like so when that experience was over, I was like, okay, I'm not going to do this for a while, which I didn't for like a couple of years. The thing you did it again. I did it again. They didn't bother with bothering me, but to be honest, I didn't go that hard. I didn't use that much. I didn't inhale that deeply. Like, hey, left an impression. Like, I'm just going to go in the lobby. I'm not going to go in these other rooms. So I just chill out right here. Like, okay, there's some, there's a lot of fractals. Cool. I'll come back. What do you make of that? I mean, what do you think? I think that there's something to it. You think you're in another realm? I do. I do. Now, the sign side of my brain says that it's just since we all have the brain, same brain chemistry, the same sort of physiology. We're probably seeing the same things like near death experiences. Why are they all the same? Because our brains are basically the same meat. But when you're in there, it does not feel like that. I mean, did it feel real when you're inside? Which thing? When you were when you were in the DMT realm? Did it feel like this is a real place? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've never done that kind of DMT though. Oh, five MEO is not, yeah, that's like ego death and all that. It's dark. Yeah, I was floating and just in a void. And I felt like I felt like I felt like I was dying. I felt like I was dying and going to hell. In five or a regular deal? Five. Regulatory empty now. Regulatory empty was not like that at all. I didn't feel like I was dying. I felt like I was visiting somewhere. But the thing about it is once I was over there, it felt familiar. Like, oh, I've been here before, even on my first trip. I was like, I've been here before. And the end, you know, I'm talking maybe 12 trips. And the entities were only during one. I never saw machine elves or anything like that. I didn't see any of that stuff. Most of it was just sort of wandering around this space. I mean, do you get anything out of it? Why were you doing it? Just curious. I would want I was curious. I wanted to explore my consciousness a little bit. And I went through, you know, about a year phase, where I was experimenting with different things, like five MEO, just just to see what was out there. You know, I'm not sure. You wouldn't do would you do five MEO to get high and have a good time? I mean, no, no, no, no. No. So when people ask me at DMT, it's like, how does it feel? Just, you know, it's ecstasy. It's like, no, no, man, it's pretty intense. And I told people, don't mess with the five MEO. Yeah, I wouldn't ever do it again. Regular DMT, it's much much gentler and quicker. So I still don't recommend anyone mess with it. You have to be really careful. Have someone around for sure. Like my wife is always right there. Just in case something went wrong. But I just wanted to kind of see what was out there. You know, DMT helped me not be as afraid of death, but five MEO may be terrified of death. Hmm. Hmm. If you only done five MEO once, that was plenty. No, plenty. I thought I thought I was dying and going to hell. I was in the trip going, all right, this is it. You took too much. You know, I'm going from are my affairs in order. You know, is there enough money in the bank? There wasn't, you know, is my wife going to be okay? She wouldn't be. And then I was back. It's like F that man. Give me the regular stuff. Yeah. But for the most part, I'm not afraid of it. You know, I do mushrooms about twice a year just to kind of clear the cobwebs out, but it's stuff that I grow myself. It's very gentle. I don't have bad trips. I put on the eye mask. I listen to music. Just to clear out the cobwebs, I always feel very peaceful when it's over. It's like two hours. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore. I mean, if something's telling you to leave it alone, you probably should. Oh, I've left it alone. I have, uh, yeah, I've left it alone. You know, I haven't talked about it much. A little bit of my channel is, um, I've been doing ketamine therapy, but through a doctor and stuff. And it's been very helpful for my anxiety and depression. What is that like? What does that experience like? I'm very, very low dose. Um, so you don't like, like when DMT, when you kind of break through, you'd kind of just gone. Uh-huh. I'm on low, uh, it's low dose ketamine. It's not a psychedelic. It's this associative. So it's more relaxing kind of like you're floating, but it makes you more open to your emotions inside. It's not that intense. It's the same thing. I'm asking music lasts about 45 minutes. And it's very good for neuroplasticity. I don't know if you know what that means. Uh-huh. It's like helps you rewire your brain, you know, set in setting. So I have a little journal. Here's what, you know, don't take life too seriously. You know, calm down. Don't get stressed. And I was doing it for a little while. My wife did not like the idea of me like injecting my body with, with anesthesia. But after about a week and a half, she and my whole staff noticed even before I did that I was more relaxed. I wasn't jumping to emotional reactions as quickly. You may be able to tell now that I'm kind of relaxed, where last time I was here, I'd freaking out. Don't know. We've was just talking about producer about it. She's noticed it. Right. I noticed it. Right. It's just I'm, you, I have that thing, like I have a, I have a bad temper. I lose, I lose my mind and say things or email things. And after a minute, I'm like, that was a little over the top, dude, that you did not have to go so aggressively. Now it's not like that. Now it's more like just, don't react. Just take a minute, you know, process it. And then just be a little bit more mature. Maybe some things are not worth that's not the hill to die on. Like I told you, but going through that, the bullshit with night media, I'm mostly just having fun with them and just most, yeah, I mean, I'm just a cat with a bird. I'm not stressed about it. And it's litigation. I've been through litigation. It's the worst. It's so stressful. It is not consuming my day. Just, just relaxed. How often do you do this? What's the protocol? It's about once a week when you get started and then every couple of weeks, three weeks, four weeks. And you can go, I can do a much higher dose and have sort of that fully disassociated feeling where you're just kind of just observing yourself. I'm not in really into that. I don't really want to go that deep. Have you gone that deep? I have not. I have not. But I talked to my doctor about it. My question to him was, can I take this low dose where I'm still totally aware, like I'm under, but I know my cat is in my lap. I know I've got something to drink right here. You do it at your house right in my house, like in my chair, in my recliner, in my man cave or whatever. Just and do that. But I'm very aware of everything. I'm totally grounded. So I told my doctor that I said, how deep do I need to go to get the benefits? He said, you don't have to go that deep. He said, it's not really about going so far under. He said, if you're getting benefits from a low dose and you're comfortable there, then just do that. So that's what I'm doing. So what is the experience? The experience for me is mostly just relaxation. If my dose is a little higher out, we'll see fractals and colors and things like that. But at the lower dose, it's mostly just listening to music. Time goes a little quicker. But again, the experience is 45 minutes. And that's with the injections. You can take it as a lasage, but that lasts a little longer, which I don't really want to do. And you can't control the doses as evenly. Again, not recommending it to anyone. Talk to your doctor, but it's working for me and don't really needed any anxiety or depression meds anymore. It's gone. So there's no like talk therapy during it. You're just there is you can and you talk to a therapist before and after. But that's really only once you get started. You can talk to a therapist whenever you want to. So I did but mostly I just wanted to I wanted the neuroplasticity and their scientific evidence of that works you know because it works on proteins in your brain that you start to use parts of your brain that or maybe it's great for PTSD because you know how you just kind of block those memories. This lets you access them but without that emotional reaction so things just start to get moving around your brain and then when you have that a few days after it's called integration you just try to do better habits like I try to eat better work out a little more spend a little more time with the family try to just relax and it helps. How long did it take for your wife to know the difference? 48 hours. That's it. Your team? Same thing. Same thing. You know I didn't really notice I didn't really notice it until I started looking for it but she was like saying like what's up with him you know he seems like he's just kind of in a better mood and not so you know intense because I was by nature I'm type A like super intense always stressed always like work work work I'm still working hard but it's not I don't feel the pressure like I told you earlier I had episodes that I need to finish before my trip I didn't get to it I have sponsor commitments and stuff it's like that we'll figure it out that's awesome they're not gonna leave we'll figure it out how long you've been doing this six weeks six oh this is fresh well good for you man yeah I could tell a difference I'm glad I could you know I feel the difference that I think about it but it's it helps with the podcast too because I get stage fright you know I get nervous so nervous so nervous talking to someone for three hours but now it's in much more control of it why do you continue to do the podcast if you like the other stuff better I'm just curious because I do like the podcast I like it I do like it I do like talking to the super smart people I learned so much from them you know I really do and talking to them makes the my episodes better because I started doing the podcast because I would talk to these scientists and experts like when I'm doing my research and then we decided to do the podcast because it was like well if I'm going to do an episode on the night's temp-lar and I talked to Tim Hogan all the time and I and he's so engaging and entertaining and he does podcasts but when I just talked to him just bring the guy in and ask him the questions here and then everyone can see and everyone can learn from him and I just started doing that so now I'm I talk to some guests that give me some ideas and like how do you grade episode and now I talk I spent you know three hours with him I've gotten all this research done and I think it makes the shows better makes sense makes sense it's interesting I'm starting I mean I wouldn't it's nothing compared to what you do but we're starting to look at doing like these mini docuseries definitely do it we started we did one on we did one on flock camera systems oh does that out yet no this is this is it's kind of like a trial run but you know at the beginning of this you had mentioned you know you never want to get into politics and talk to people within government and I've arrived at that conclusion and and you know I'm I'm pretty out of tune right now from what my normal is like we talked about like all the spiritual stuff that I've been going through it from my last psychedelic experience upstairs where we came on her and so I've been busy with dealing with that and like I'm you know usually you would talk to me and I would know you know a lot about what's going on with everything you crane the war in Iran China with US politics geopolit all that kind of stuff and which I do you know I do think it's important to keep a pull some but I just I just haven't I feel it's not as important as we thought because I was the same way I watch news about an hour a day well I guess and you know I just said I feel like it's important but I don't know is it not just sat here and got lied to for years 100% totally conned I think it's important just to know what's going on but I was just I would watch five hours of these news channels every day and be miserable and so I hardly watch the news anymore I don't go on social media I don't I'm not sure I'm missing anything yeah I can't remember where the hell I was going with this because I need some neuroplasticity but where was I going with that I don't remember what we were talking we talked about we were talking about Atlantis Megalithic Yard we got into psychedelics DMT Danny Goeller now well I lost it grand canyon mysteries yes let's hear about some of this stuff people asked me if there's one conspiracy that you'd like to know about my answer is always I'd like to know what's going on in the grand canyon did I start at the beginning I didn't cover grand canyon last time the beginning 1909 GE King Cade is looking for silver deposits in the grand canyon and he's going down I guess the Colorado River and he sees like this cave opening way up in the cliff super super far and something about it intrigues him because it sort of stands out from the geography so he's on a little boat and he pulls up and he's clears the brush and he sees there's steps they go all the way up this thing so he follows the steps and finds a way into this cave goes in a little bit of ways and he comes to this like like a fork in the road tunnels going this way and that and he sees a statue that looks like Buddha but it's not quite Buddha or is it Egyptian but it's not quite Egyptian he calls it Oriental which could mean Asian he doesn't really know so he starts drawing a map and he goes down these corridors and he starts to find artifacts weapons made of bronze armor different things he finds these porticoes that have mommies on shells after shells just just mommies they keep going and he finds this giant cavern that is an old city that he says maybe thousands of people could have lived here and there's pottery and there's evidence that people lived here for for a long time and he maps the whole place and it's huge so he leaves he goes back to his camper wherever and he is part of a Smithsonian Institution contingent so he calls the Smithsonian says I found this stuff Smithsonian says we're going to sense I want to help you Professor S.A. Jordan was the guy who went out and they go out and they explore again and they find all this stuff they send a bunch of artifacts back to the Smithsonian and then it kind of goes away Smithsonian says we never heard of it we never received anything we don't never heard of GE what never heard of GE Kincaid don't know anything about any guy named Jordan and the story disappears and so does Kincaid and Jordan it just kind of goes away and people have been trying to find it ever since and they can't but you can't find pictures if you look in that area where in my episode I think I found at least one of them that where that hole could be and people have gone up right above that hole to see what's up there and once they go up there as soon as you land above that cave entrance suddenly black helicopters start flying around and this is in my video like here the black helicopters you see them I thank the people in my video because I used their video of when they went and explored black helicopters circling for hours and then these unmarked white planes are flying below the rim all around the area no thing is this is all no fly zone you kind of fly above this area and you know aircrafts is allowed below the rim but there they are all over the place they're not yet intimidated and they start to clear things around and they're finding artifacts from you know nine they're early 1900s when these people were here and then straight above the cave entrance they find this block with a giant iron hook in it which could have been something that would have been used to attach ropes that you can repel down in but there's no evidence of any of that because that you are not allowed in this part of the canyon this is a no-go zone and eventually they were chased out of there a lot of the artifacts the locations inside the Grand Canyon or named after ancient Egyptian locations, you know, Kiehops and Cleopatra and all these different things. Um, at least ancient Egyptian gods like Rah and Toath. Oh, it's very strange that they're named this way, um, 'cause they already had names from the Hopi, but, uh-huh. Smithsonian, but didn't, wasn't really into the American Indians at the time. And eventually it was all closed up. And now just about every cave in the Grand Canyon has an iron grate over it. You can't go there, you can't get a permit. Really? Nobody's alive. Do you see any of this for yourself? I'm just curious. I haven't been to the canyon since I did the story, but I have been before. But why go down there? There's, and they will not let you in. The rangers will yet will yank you out of there. Um, there have been some expeditions into some of these caves. I believe like 1% of the caves have been explored. And these are important geological and historical places because they're like time capsules. 'Cause they've gone in there and found artifacts that are thousands of years old from like the native tribes who have been in there who say that there's been people there for way longer than that. But they go and they gather some stuff and then bang. The great goes over it. And the Smithsonian has this history of getting things sent to them and then losing them. They just, especially during that time of, in the Smithsonian's, uh, history. Smithsonian did not like, uh, they didn't like the idea that Native Americans or any non-white culture could have a civilization like that. There's, you know, it's kind of an ugly time for Smithsonian. Now, very recently, that story has been chased down and they have found a few more articles about the Concade expedition. It's been called the Hoax, but they've found earlier articles about him and this expedition that kind of predate the Hoax by a few weeks. So for a Hoax to go several months across multiple newspapers is very strange. Um, Smithsonian finally admitted that they did have a Concade on expedition there at that time. And they did have a Jordan on expedition at that time. But one was an entomologist. And one wasn't really in the area. But they were, they were real men who were on real, real missions for the Smithsonian, but they said they didn't really work together. A lot, it's, it's very, very strange. It's very shady. Why, why, why would they. You can't go in there for your, for your safety is why. Why would they hide this stuff? I, you know, I don't really know. They would hide it back then because the Smithsonian did like, didn't like the idea of, of native tribes or anyone else other than white people having advanced culture. They did, they didn't like that. So, when you find like, like, co-okia, this amazing city in Ohio, do you know about the Mississippi and culture? I'm, I'm getting ready to find out about it. It's the thing is nobody knows about it. We're not taught about it. But, um, one of the biggest cities in that area in America was co-okia, which in 1100 AD was bigger than London. It was bigger than London, co-okia. We're not taught about it in the school. We just weren't taught about it. I don't think the schools are as racist as they used to be. Or, you know, I think they maybe swung a little bit further the other way. But, when those syllabus were being created back then, it just kind of carried over through history. It's like, we just don't teach you about these amazing, the mound builders and those societies. We don't really talk about it that much. I talked about it at Barnhart. He knows plenty about that stuff. Did you talk about the Mississippians? 'Cause that's what I'm having them come up to talk about. Just a tiny bit, just tiny bit. I ran out of time. 'Cause you can talk to him forever. Just a little bit. I'd love to see him going to more of that with you. Because co-okia was an amazing place. Thousands and thousands of people was an empire. Did you ask him about the stuff in the Grand Canyon? I don't think we got into the Grand Canyon all that much. Definitely asking. When did the great show up on the caves and stuff? Is that. With what on the caves? All of the great bars. Almost immediately after that. They'll blame Teddy Roosevelt who created the national park system. And they, whoever they are, the park service, whatever went through and closed the lot of that stuff off. And it's for our safety because of flash floods or whatever. But we need to go into those caves. One percent of the caves being explored is unacceptable. We need to go and see what's in there. 'Cause there's stuff in there that's pre-ice age. Gotta know what's in there. Man, that's crazy. What do you why? Why? Why are they hiding it? I don't know. I mean, there's legends of people discovering giants, giant skeletons, and sending them to Smithsonian. We acknowledge we receive the package, which we can see the receipts. But then they lost the stuff. We don't know where it is. We received that your giant skeletons, but we misplaced them. And Smithsonian misplaced a lot of stuff in the early 1900s. Where do you think man originated from? Man. It's not Adam and Eve, is it? That's a hard question because we slide the missing link. 'Cause I believe in evolution. But I don't know what happened to make smart monkeys really smart. You know, and what happened 300,000 years ago, give or take. That made homo sapiens, safe homo sapiens, sapiens. You know, the only animal that's really self-aware and aware of its own death and the things around it. There's no animals that do that. That's never been answered to my satisfaction. I can't believe in evolution. I believe in evolution. Guys, listen up. Man, I can't remember this guy's name. He was on Rogan. And I think he was called the lady or something. Have you heard about this? It's like old. Whatever type of ape it used to bury it's dead. I didn't hear about that. You had to look that up. I have to look that up. No, I don't. Yeah, it was pretty interesting. Yeah, they would bury their dead. They would put them down on these caves. Like ceremonial. Not just get the right of me. Sounds like that's really. I mean, we know the Neanderthals were way more cultured and smarter than we thought. What do we know about them? They had music. They had music. They had art. They had strong family cultures. They were the first ones to do organized warfare. Just 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals ruled the planet. We were just hiding caves trying to figure out how to deal with these massive armies. I have an episode about the Neanderthals. It goes into a lot of this. Yeah, they made musical instruments. You know, unbelievable stuff. They had cart figurines. And they had organized warfare when we were just trying to figure it out. They would show up like with columns and fallances and, you know, and commanders. I mean, can you imagine if you're just cave people? And you've got these super strong, super aggressive, almost humans with weapons. And they're 10 times stronger than you. You know, and they're doing pincer maneuvers around you. I mean, goodbye. I mean, humans invented the bow and arrow and did anything really change. Because you're going to harass from a distance. But I guess it's not, it shouldn't be too surprising when you watch how wolves, you know, hunt. Or, you know, lions, how they'll team up and hunt. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. Yep. So why wouldn't, why wouldn't they? Yeah, coyotes will hunt in singles or packs or in a group, depending on the situation. So, yeah, in the end of those were, yeah, they had bigger brains than we did. What does, what discovery would rewrite human history overnight if it was proven real? God, there's a lot of those. That there's something on the moon. That there's anything on the moon. Something on the moon that's, that's not natural. I would rewrite everything. You have a problem saying rewrite to him. It's a hard word. I would say if the earth was flat. You know, there's a flat. But that would change things. It definitely would, wouldn't it? It would. I don't do flat earth stories because the common sections are too violent. What do you mean they're violent? They get the flat earth, you're really into it. They're really into it. They're definitely convinced. And they just attack, attack, attack. Well, they like give you death threats or something? I get death threats anyway. But I mean, they'll fight with each other in the comments. I don't really read them anymore. But there's like really mean in the comments. I like the flat earth story. I think it's super fun. You know, I watch a bunch of flat earth videos and be like, yeah, that's that. I can see there's something to that. But there's nothing to that. But I'm entertained by it. And I love people who are really into it, who really love it. If that's an ex-subject. It is. You know, just totally change it at the subject again here. I went in, I did an interview with this friend of mine, Father Ripperger. Okay. And. He's out of Denver, outside of Denver, and I was going there and some of my team was talking about all the demonic shit at the Denver airport. Oh, yeah, and we were staying at the Denver airport, so I got on YouTube, looking up Denver airport, demonic activity, something like that. Bam, there's the Y-Files. I was like, "Yes. Dude, what the hell is going on there? There's the horse with the red eyes." It killed the guy that made it. Yeah, he died before it was finished. The gargoyles and the baggage claim. There's some painting. I didn't get to see that. There's a bunch of paintings that show the end of the world and people in gas masks and dying children. It's a crazy place. It was maybe my first episode that was demonetized. That was demonetized? And I didn't know why. And I learned, I don't want to out anybody, but I learned that there is a list of topics on certain platforms that you cannot discuss regardless. Denver airport is one of them. You can't talk about it. And I talk about way crazier controversial stuff than that. Like, oh, my CIA stuff. It's like, how did he get away with saying it? It's fine, but Denver airport, which all I did was show the stuff that's around. You know, the time capsule with the mason's, the weird numbers. I don't know about all of it. It's so crazy when they excavated the airport, they excavated way too much dirt. Like, when you look at how much space there is and parking and all of that, they took way too much dirt. So the theory is that it goes much deeper that there are these underground tunnels that go to other places like Cheyenne Mountain and all these other places. And. But it's the artwork that really makes it crazy. The gargoyles and blusifer is this. I'm sure everyone knows, but it's this stallion. He's made a blue. He's got red eyes. And it's like what it's all end of the world stuff. It's, you know, they've got the four horsemen of the apocalypse. It's all into the world. It's there's dead children, like there's children in coffins. And that was the artwork all of the airport. A lot of it is taken down really. It's upsetting to watch. Like you look at it and you're like, why? Why don't I want my family to walk by this daddy? What's that? You know, that's a world burning after the apocalypse. It's also supposed to be messages of peace, but there's a lot of it's not really Nazi stuff, but it's a lot of world war two looking. How does this happen? I don't, I don't know. Like just like all this random stuff that just happens to be in one location at an airport. I don't know. What do you think? I know there was a meteor threat at one point during Obama's administration in the place they took him was the Denver airport, which is very strange to go there. Of all places. I think you want to go to a public airport because that's really what. Here. This is the forbidden topic, huh? Yeah, we're into trouble. You're not gonna make any money on this now. It's over. Well, maybe it's safe. I'm surprised that you found that video. Yeah, pop dry. It was the first result. There's a ton of stuff on it. Thank goodness. Yeah, there's a ton of so the guy that made do you want to tell the story about the blue suffer artist? I don't remember his name and stuff, but I do remember that. That before it finished the statue killed him. He had like an accident working on it. So he never never finished it. He died during while he was making that statue. Got to be cursed. Yeah, yeah. Have you been to the airport? Yeah, that's the Denver airport. You've been there? Yeah, that's where I looked this shit up. I was staying at the hotel there. And we were flying in and so many of my team was telling me about it. And I was like, what? What are you talking about? Blucifer and all these gargoyles of baggage clam and paintings and shit? And I was like, and then there it all was. I was like, oh, and he's like pointing out the gargoyles and baggage clam. I'm like, oh, that is kind of that is weird. It is. He was kind of tell me about, you know, the conspiracy or whatever. And then we checked in the hotel right there at the airport. So I jumped on YouTube. And I was like, all right, I got to look this shit up. And your video is the first thing that popped up. I was like, I'll be damned. All right, we go down the rabbit hole. Yeah, the time capsule is there. It was put in there by the mason's which adds, you know, adds to the legend. And allegedly every level of the airport is not quite level. Like there's, it's a little bit of an of an incline, a little bit of a pitch to make you feel a little bit off. I don't know if that's true, but I like that part of the story. On a recording day, I try to stack calls together and answer messages between interviews, those little pockets of time add up when you're running a business. We all have our own time saving hacks for everyday life. But if you're a business owner, how can you save time hiring? Zipper Cruder. Zipper Cruder has a new feature that quickly lets you see the most interested, qualified candidates first. So you save time by meeting the right people faster. And right now, you can try it for free. It's zippercruder.com/srs. When I'm hiring, I want to know more than whether somebody has the right experience on paper. Zipper Cruder lets candidates tell you in their own words why they're interested in your job. That helps you see who really wants the opportunity before you spend time setting up a conversation. 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You know what I noticed about the alien crowd is the alien crowd. Okay. Not. Okay. Let me. Let me. Yeah. The media heads to talk about aliens all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Minus a couple. I would not put brand and view on that category. I love that guy. He's. But what I've noticed about the alien crowd is that everybody's pushing for disclosure. We all want disclosure. But they have to be that each individual has to be the one that gets disclosure. And everything everybody else is saying is complete bullshit unless it comes from this specific person. And that's what I've noticed, which means, okay, you don't give a shit about disclosure. You just want to be the one sitting in the front of the congressional hearing. You want to be. Everybody has to be the guy. We can't work together. Everybody's full of shit except you. Do you pick that up a hundred percent is that the. That prometheus syndrome is you need to be the one with the hidden knowledge. And not only do I pick it up is they hate each other. Well, people that I talk to are always running down the others. He's a liar, but I'm not. You know, he's he's an asset, but I'm not. And I don't know who to believe of the alien crowd. I know exactly who you're talking. I mean, they have said like horrific stuff about each other. Yes. That has nothing to do with aliens. Yes. I've had one or two on you definitely have two. I've had a ton of them on. Yeah. I haven't had many on and. Man, over a year, I think there's nothing new. Like something. There's nothing new. We're not learning anything from the video drops. So I think there's aliens. You know, there's definitely some weird stuff in the skies in the ocean that is probably not ours. But I don't know. I come. I'm starting to come more around to the idea that this is interdimentiality or. Yeah. And I don't mean in like a woo-woo kind of sense, I mean like it multiple dimensions in actual physics, where you have multi-dimensional space that, once you reach these higher dimensions, space contracts geometrically, so you can travel really far into an observer. It would look like just hopping around in space. It would allow you to go great distances. Surn has been looking for collusive client particles for a while, which would explain multi-dimensional travel through the bulk, they call it. So I kind of go there. But you say multi-dimension, people start to gloss over because it's not a metal disk with a window and a red immersion, a little red-headed man. But I think something to the inter-dimensions. Interesting. I think it's all spiritual, but that's just me. I'm coming around there, too. And Jacques Felaise has been talking about that since the '70s that it's spiritual, it's connected to us, and that's why we used to see UFOs, because that was in the site, guys. And now we see orbs everywhere. Because I never heard about orbs before the last few years. But I talked to guys like Chris Bledso, and I've seen the videos, and I have no people who've gone out with Chris. And he can summon orbs. Yeah, I can't explain it. Did you go out with him? No, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it because I don't want to mess with spiritual stuff, man. I don't want to mess with it. I even talked to Chris, maybe off the air? Maybe not. Where I-- not probably on, where I said, can anyone learn to do this? And he said, yes, we all have this ability, and you should not mess with it. That was cool, fair enough. I don't want to summon the wrong entity. But there's a reason that NASA is interested in him, and CIA talks to him, and DOD, they all are interested in Chris. And he's just a soft-spoken Christian man with no agenda that I can see. And I believe every word he says-- I believe that he believes every word he says. I don't know if he really knows what the things are, but I believe that he thinks he does. He's made some predictions that haven't come true. But he also says he can summon orbs, and I know that he can. I've seen him do it. I'm not going to mess with it. Yeah. So reptilians? Reptilians. Reptilians-- those have been around for a while. I'll tell a story that I like the best. There's a Swedish journalist who goes by OK, OLEK. And he gets a phone call from a woman named Lissurda. And she says that she's a reptilian. And he's a famous debunker. So she says, interview me. So they meet at some cabin somewhere, the woods somewhere, neutral location. He's already got Mike's cameras, all that stuff. And she just looks like a normal girl, around 30 years old. And the first thing she does is she shapeships into her Lissur form. And that's crazy. And she says, we have all these abilities that humans have. We just have developed them. So what do you have? So she makes his pen levitate. He's got a piping hot cup of coffee. She makes it freeze instantly. Once you start tying in the story about how her lizard race is the evolution of the dinosaurs that went underground after the Chicholuv impact 65 million years ago. A few of them were able to escape. They went underground. And they evolved underground, these species. And she says that the human race is actually the seventh attempt of an alien race to engineer a new species on Earth. That we are the seventh civilization. And I think we're called the Ilojim, or maybe the aliens are. And that's a story. She says that the retillians are walking among us all the time. We're in positions of power, of course. But they can shape shift. We can't really see that they're there. But if you look at videos on YouTube about people blinking sideways, you will find some crazy stuff of people with-- it looks like they've got lizard eyes, it's a pretty entertaining. Yeah. And we do know that just before that impact in the dinosaurs' source went extinct, a couple of species, a small dinosaurs that were starting to grow opposable thumbs, which that would have been a big change for dinosaurs to actually have thumbs. Because who knows what could happen from there? And 65 million years is a long time to evolve. That's enough time to get some intelligence. We started with guitars about 3 million years ago. So we had 65 million years. So she says that there are other lizard races that are battling for control of the planet. And one of them is an alien race. I can't wish he calls them. But they're from alpha draconis in the Draco constellation. She talks about how there's a battle for Earth. And it's been going on for a long time. And it's a battle of resources, specifically water and copper. Because if you could copper is an interesting metal that you can do different things to it. And all times a weird effects can happen. Anti-gravity and all kinds of stuff. And they've been fighting forever over it. And I think the episode I have is called The Leserda Files, which goes into all the details of all of this. It kind of tracks a little bit with Yanonaki. It lines up a lot of it. And it lines up with some other stories about alien wars on the planet. But I couldn't confirm hardly any of it. All K is a pseudonym for the journalist. But turns out his name comes from K, the guy that-- I think it's Tommy Jones, character in men in black. He'll call K. So a lot of the stories, the most fun ones, just come from one person telling it on a website or something. So I'll tell the story because it's fun. But I can't prove any of that. We don't know who she was. Yeah. We don't have those tapes. He said he's got tapes and video. We've never seen it. But it's a good story. Well, I got a Patreon question for you. So we got a Patreon you do, too. I do. So one of the things I do, what's that? I stole the idea from you. We offer every-- they've been with us here since the beginning. So we offer them the opportunity to ask every guest a question. This is from YT Rocco. AJ, what do you think is going on with all the recent UAP disclosures? And do you think all of the information coming out on UAPs is just media cover to distract from ongoing geopolitical stories? I think there's a lot, too, that. If you're Lockheed or Raytheon working on some high-tech stuff, dumping some UFO videos would be really useful. Would it be really useful? Or if you're in a time of relative peace and you're a military contractor and you want to keep the dollars flowing, you start scaring people about that we can't control our skies because we've got drones overlangly and stuff. Well, maybe we need more money into the contractors. We've got to control our skies. So I think there's something to that. I don't believe-- they're not going to-- in these video dumps, they're not going to give us anything of value. I don't think. I don't think we've gotten anything of values so far. There's been a couple of good ones like that Metallic Orb over Syria. That's a pretty good video. I don't think we can explain that. But most of them we can. And I think of all the videos they've sent, like, 88% can be explained as a few that can't. But yeah, I think a lot of it is distraction. Yeah, I think so, too. It's interesting how it keeps Epstein files come up. What happened to those? Give them aliens. Give them aliens. What happened to all the drones over New Jersey and stuff? That story just went away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. JFK files went away. Here's a brand of one for you. Yeah. Bigfoot. Have you done anything on Bigfoot? A lot on Bigfoot. My kids are obsessed with Bigfoot. I'm not a Bigfoot guy. I don't know why people are obsessed with Bigfoot, but they are. They're obsessed because I keep telling them that he's real. Yeah, we got-- the weather's just starting to cool down here. And there's a couple of people on the team that have kids, little kids like me. And so we got the Bigfoot costume. And so we're going to have them out back here on the range. And then they used a very quick appearance of like them running from a tree over the hill real quick. And then that's it. Just to watch them all. Oh, my god. You've gotten to get video of that. Oh, we're going to. That's fantastic. I take my son out. And I can't even remember how this started. It's like one of my wife's friends brought it up and my son became obsessed. And he's always looking around for Bigfoot. And so I'll take-- we'll pack a bag. And we'll go hunting for Bigfoot out in the woods. It's hilarious, dude. Oh, what was that? So I can't wait to do this. That's super fun. I remember those tall aliens from Mars that escaped. Supposedly, one of those races was Bigfoot. They came here. Really? Yeah, that's part of that story. That's the origin story. - That's one of them. Bigfoot is in every culture has giants with hair. Native cultures. - Really? - Yeah, Native cultures. I mean, there's the Tibetan yaddy, Native cultures, and there's the love luck giants with the red hair. Bigfoot, Sasquatches from up north, they all have it. Even had the can of hard giant for a while, but I think I debunked that. People didn't like that, but they all have that same story. I just, I don't get into bigfoot or the cryptids, the weird animals, they don't excite me. I just want to see a decent photo of one of these. - What do people think? - They think it's real. I mean, my audience loves Bigfoot and Mothman and Jersey Devil and you know, werewolves, the dog man of Michigan, all the cryptids down in Antarctica, they love these weird monsters. - I mean, if they think it's real, where is it? - He can walk between dimensions. - Walk between, that's the, okay. - Yeah, so. - Like through a portal or something. - Portal or just phase in and out of dimensions, but if you have that kind of technology, I don't know why you're just naked, covered in hair, in the woods, if you can phase between dimensions. - It's supposedly a technology that he has. - Native Americans don't think so. They think it's something that they can just do, and that's why we can't see them is because they don't want us to see them. So, but I've never seen a picture of Bigfoot that wasn't blurry. You know, the game on Patterson film is still not debunked. It's a pretty good one. It's that famous one where the Bigfoot's walking across the lake, looks back over at the guy in the camera. So that's the Patterson film. It looks really great. That film hasn't fully been debunked, but those guys did hoax a Bigfoot film not too long before that. So, it hurts the story, enough people don't really talk about that. They talk about what it's Patterson game lengthed. It's like, well, those guys kind of hoaxed it before though. And most of the tracks that have been found, those they've all been hoaxed. I don't think there's any legit tracks to my knowledge. How people can hate this, 'cause people love Bigfoot, it's just adorable. I don't get into it. I saw one video during one of my Bigfoot things that was some guys were skiing up in the mountains. And they're like, what the hell is that down there and down in the valley? Is something big and humanoid that is running through the snow uphill faster than any man can. And I said, that's the most compelling video I have ever seen a Bigfoot. I couldn't explain it. And I thought, I don't know, I can't really find that one again. So maybe it's been debunked, but that's a good one. What a fine that. - Yeah, I like to see that. I like to see it just show my kids. (laughing) - Do you believe in Bigfoot? - Do I believe in Bigfoot? - No. - Okay, okay. - No, not at all. - No. - But I think it's fun to choose my kids with it. (laughing) - Yes. - So. How about, all right, we'll wrap it up the interview here. Secrets societies. I believe in those, I mean, that's no question those existed. The Illuminati was a real group in the late 18th century founded by Adam Vaishbatt, I think it's his name, created a secret society. And one of the things he was trying to do was infiltrate the Masons, which he did. And at its height, it had about 3,000 members. And they had the whole thing. - The Masons are the Illuminati. - Illuminati wanted to, the Masons had a ton of members. - Okay. - So the Illuminati was a smaller group. They wanted to, they really just wanted to get Masons to come over as kind of what it was. But they did have the secret handshakes, the symbolism, all of that, their, their symbol was the, the owl of Nerva, which became the symbol of Bohemian Grove. You've heard of that crazy place? - Yeah. - So Bohemian Grove has a giant owl where they burn someone in effigy every time they're up there. The Illuminati had that owl. That's, they definitely had it. You can even see on the back, I think it's the same owl. They have the same owl. - It's the owl of Nerva is the famous, you know, it's a famous owl from ancient Greek, I believe. That's a sort of, you can see everything. I don't know if they call it, they have a different name for it in Bohemian Grove. But if you look on the back of the one dollar bill and the upper right, you can need a magnifying glass under that curve, you will see a tiny, tiny owl on the back of a dollar bill. Hardly anyone knows it's there. The back of the dollar bill is covered with crazy symbols. You know, you've got, you've got the all-seeing eye above the broken pyramid and then Novo sort of secular arm, you know, New World Order, which is not what that means. But there's all kinds of stuff back there. The number three, 33 is all over the place. And Washington, D.C., it was laid out by a liaison font who's famously laid out Washington, D.C., but he was a big-time Mason. So there's a lot of that symbolism there. And when the George Washington Monument was dedicated, was dedicated by the Masons and inside this all, it was a Mason ceremony that was the dedication. So all kinds of Mason stuff in there. Mason stuff in the Denver Airport. Most of the founding fathers or Masons. - We're just looking at the roads in D.C. I remember I looked, I was looking at a map where I was, I don't know, one of the times I was there and I was like, what the hell is up with the design of these roads? - Right. It's a terrible city to drive it. Yeah. - It's all like pyramids and-- - Yeah, 'cause they were obsessed with that stuff with the ancient Greeks and the ancient Sparta. And they were obsessed with the symbolism, the Masonic symbolism. So you've got a lot of triangles. Things are built around threes. - Why, what is that, what is it, what is it? - Because it's close to the divine. These are, the geometry is, it's divine geometry. It's sacred geometry is what they call it. The number three is a sacred number. You know, that's the highest level in, in Masonry, right, it's 33rd level. It's just all symbolism. Now again, I, and I said this when I've covered it. I don't get it. I don't, I don't get why people join the Masons. But I don't look down on people for doing it. You know, I'm just not a joiner. I don't join clubs and groups and stuff. But I definitely understand why people do. I totally get why people do. Especially these days where, you know, joining groups has really looked down on. I get it. It's just not my thing. You know, secret handshakes and stuff. Weird to me, but, you know, I hung out with Masons. I had them on my show and they were great. What's with the one eye thing with the Illuminati? The Illuminati is, that's the all-seeing eye. That's on the back of the dollar bill as well, above the pyramid. What is that supposed to mean? I suppose to be able to see everything. Some people think it's the eye of Horus, but I don't think so. I think it's the all-seeing eye. What's the eye of Horus? That's ancient from ancient Egypt, another eye. So if you look up celebrities, celebrities doing the all-seeing eye, you'll find magazine covers and album carnivores of very famous people covering one eye. And you'll find a hundred of them. You'll be on say, like, big stars, just all covering one eye. I don't know why they're doing it, but you'll see all that. So that just fuels the conspiracy is that they're in on it. It's just, it's the one eye. People should be looking it up right now and to blow your mind, just pages of it. Are they up to no good? (laughs) That's the rumor that they control the world, right? That is, I mean, I lean toward that there is a group of people that control the world that's above our governments. I do lean that way. Build a bird, council for relations, those types of groups that once you get in there, suddenly there's Democrats, Republicans, labor groups. What are those groups? What did you say? Build a bird group, council for relations, where you'll have people on the far left and people on the far right, all getting together, getting along. And for some reason, a lot of American presidents before being elected end up getting invited to build a bird. And then they're invited. Yeah, I think Hillary was way out ahead of Obama before he was invited to build a bird, but that was the end of her lead and Bill Clinton was invited there as well. Which is so happens, we don't know what goes on in there. They're not allowed to discuss it. Do you, I mean, I've always heard way before or any of this, like I remember when I was a contractor and overseas, people would be reading these books, telling me they're like, I can't remember the number nine, people, seven people, but control the world as do you think there's any truth to that? I mean, now I'm like, yeah, I can see it. I can see it. I can definitely see it. Yeah, I think so. Do you think we know these people? I think we know some of them are. I think we know some of them are like Klaus Straub and some of these guys, I think Larry Fink. I think they we know who some of them are. You know, someone like Larry Fink controls more assets under management than most countries have. You know, that's one guy. So we talk about these billionaires that Elon Musk is worth $200 billion and stuff. That's a lot. Larry think controls trillions of dollars, trillion trillions of dollars. You can influence geopolitics with trillions, not eight trillion trillions of dollars. We all own stuff that he manages, you know, black rock and Vanguard, all of that. Everyone owns Vanguard. I own a ton of Vanguard stuff because that's what's there. You know, I try not to invest specifically in their pet causes like green, this or green that. I don't do any of that, but they have more power than governments do, but most people don't know who those people are that I mentioned. I mean, do you think that there is another class that's even that's totally, you know, nobody knows about, you know, to connect it to the lizard people, one reason why that story, lizard people's story kind of got, it got hijacked in the late 80s, early 90s because I don't want to name the researcher, but lizard people fans know I'm talking about got, it just got connected with anti-semitism, like the Roth child family and all of that. And it's one of the reasons I don't do the lizard people is because I, you know, I'm a New Yorker, have my family's Jewish, I'm not really down for anti-semitism. I don't want to promote it. So it's got wrapped up with that, but according to the legend, yes, above everything is this group of reptilians who are actually the bankers that control everything because we've got these banks that all the other major banks have to report to and some people are in charge of those. Interesting. Well, AJ, what's next for you? What are you excited about? See, I've got episodes coming up, I have a cool UFO story that's undibunkable. So the UFO program is super fun and I'm working on something where the Titanic did not sink. That's going to be fun too. Plugged as we have a board game coming out that in pre-play, people are having a lot of fun at the conventions playing the White Files board game that's coming out soon. One's there coming out soon. I don't, you know, I don't pay that close. It's actually doing it. It's called Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi was declassify.com. You can learn more about it. That's cool, man. That's cool. Well, AJ, it's awesome to have you, man, you're doing great, like, it's awesome to see. Came here with an idea, doing a podcast, now you're just crushed, so congrats, thanks man. Thanks for coming. No matter where you're watching the Sean Ryan show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. 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