#310 Josh Duhamel - Transformers Star Reveals His 26-Acre Off-Grid Survival Compound

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This is pretty impressive, I've got to say. Thank you. That means a hell of a lot coming from you, so I appreciate it. I've got to level up, man. I thought I had a cool place, but this is by far and away better than that gun range. I'm definitely going to steal that idea. Maybe if we have some extra time. We can go out there and break it in. Let me give you an introduction here real quick. Josh Duhamel, an acclaimed actor, director, and producer known for your roles in Transformers, Safe Haven, Las Vegas, and Netflix's Ransom Canyon. You got your start on All My Children, earning a Daytime Emmy early in your career. You're a North Dakota native who stayed closely tied to your roots, spending more time there as you stepped away from the Hollywood lifestyle. You've stepped into business as the founder of Gatlin, focused on men's health and performance. And I saw women's health, too. Yeah, men's and women's, yeah. Most importantly, you're a Christian, a father, and a husband. Welcome to the show. So, a couple things that crank out here before we get going. One, everybody gets a gift. The Jones League gummy bears. Oh, nice. Probably don't go well with longevity. Oh, nice. Maybe in men's health, but. Are these like funny gummy bears? No, man, it's just candy. Regular gummy bears. Okay, good. Made in Michigan. Nice to know. Thank you for that. I got you something, too. Do you want me to give it to you now? Sure. I think you're going to like this. So, might as well just start with the gifts, right? So, this is a knife made by my friend Cody Adolfson, Little Wolf Ironworks, out of Bismarck, North Dakota. Oh, sure. So, what is it? It's got a handle. Yeah, it's got this Damascus steel, North Dakota, white tail deer antler for the handle. If you look at the back, it's got a little reading from the Bible. Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another. Proverbs. Thank you. Yes, sir. Pretty cool, right? That's awesome. He's super talented, this guy. Anyway, I know you like knives, so I thought I'd give you one. Thank you. I got myself one, too, by the way. It's just an excuse to get myself a knife, really. This is awesome. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Appreciate it. And then, one other thing. We got a Patreon account. It's a subscription account. They're the reason I get to sit with you here today, so they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. Okay. Josh, you've lived in two different Americas, Hollywood and North Dakota. Yep. What is one lie in each world believes about what it takes to make a man strong, and what did real life teach you instead? Oh, my God. Josh, what is one lie that each of those two worlds, Hollywood and North Dakota? Yeah. Hmm. Let me start with North Dakota. I think that one of the things that I think my wife and I just talked about this yesterday, because we have a little baby girl on the way. I saw that. And she wrote in her book to her, she said, stand tall. Don't be afraid to stand tall and be exactly who you are. And I think that one thing that I had to overcome by coming from North Dakota, because it's a very humble state. The people there are very sort of salt of the earth. Nobody wants to stand out. It's just kind of like a very blue collar, but commonsensical place that, you know, for me, leaving there and trying to go off to Hollywood and do things, it was a scary thing for me because I didn't feel like I deserved it. And I think that's one of the lies that I learned from North Dakota was that you do belong. You do belong. You do belong. Wherever you dream to go. And I think that's one of the things that I learned from that. And one of the things that held me back for a long time, really. Wow. As far as one of the lies that I learned from Hollywood, I would say that you don't necessarily have to play the game by the rules. As long as you show up to your job and are dependable and reliable to the people who are making whatever project you're a part of, you can believe what you want. You don't have to believe what they tell you to believe. Right on, man. Good stuff. Good stuff. So I read that you are kind of putting your acting career, Hollywood career, on the backburner to concentrate on family. Get back to your roots and slow down. I wouldn't say I'm putting it on the backburner. I'm doing, you know, I'm actually working more now than I ever have in my life, which is great. Right on. Honestly, it's like I'm very grateful for that because this is a hard business to get into and to stay relevant in. And, you know, I've been doing it for 26 years. So I would say that, you know, because I am busier now than ever, it's also made me realize that I don't want to work this much. I would rather be home with my wife and my kids and out on my, you know, compound. Yeah. Doing that stuff. So I'm just trying to be smarter, I think. I think I'm trying not to take as many jobs. Just trying to, you know, work a little bit smarter. And really working on this company, Gatlin, is something that I'm as excited about as anything. I would rather honestly be working on that than anything else. Really? I mean, I think this is an interesting conversation. Because I think about this all the time. You know, we were kind of just talking outside. I got two toddlers now. Time is going. Six and four? Four and two. Four and two. Four and two. Little. And time is just going by so damn fast, you know. And you look at old photos and you're like, holy shit, man. Yeah. It moves quick. Yeah. And you realize you're aging just as fast. Oh, yeah. But you don't see that. That's the truth. I got a 12-year-old. And to see how quickly he went from two to 12 is like, you know, it just goes by like that. And so, you know, the idea that I get to do it again with my little two-year-old and then this little girl that's on the way, I think it makes you really appreciate it that much more. So you've got a four and a two-year-old. You'll see, dude. It just flies by, you know. So one thing I think I've learned, especially from Axel, my 12-year-old, is that I got to stay as present. And there with them as much as I can because you don't get those days back. Yeah. so I mean how are you gonna do it because I think about like I said I think about this all the time ever since my son was about two because I had uh you know the first two years I'm like ah they only want mom that's it's just diapers and boobs milk you know so there's not much for dad so I was I was I always thought I will bury my head in my work until I realize that I'm needed or wanted and uh or start showing interest maybe that's what I should say instead and around two years old is when that started happening oh yeah and so I've been ever since two I've been kind of trying to structure my business so that I can step away and you know I've been trying to do a lot of things and I've been trying to do a lot of things and I've been trying to do a lot of things and I've been trying to do a lot of things but continue but you know spend a lot more time at home but it's hard it is hard to remain present at home with all this shit because you're probably similar to me or I'm similar to you in some ways that we're I mean I was born to like put my head down and work it's all I've ever known is just to like grind my way to whatever I'm trying to get to um but do you do you mostly live here do you travel a lot I travel a lot I travel I mean I travel a decent amount but I don't it's in and out it's quick trips to DC or if I'm interviewing somebody overseas or something like that but I I am uh also have decided to work smarter so I turn a lot of shit down because it's just not worth my time to be away from consider that a blessing though the fact that you get to stay you're mostly here yeah see for me it's like nothing shoots in LA anymore so I have to go you know then go into BC British Columbia work a month and then I go to Malaysia for six weeks and then I come back and then I go to Winnipeg for another thing so it's like that to me is what I'd need to like I need to like do much less of that because these kids I even if even if they come and visit it's still I'm on I'm on set all day and I come home at night and I try to get them up in the morning and put them bed at night but it's not enough you know they need me more than that and so to be traveling so much is really what kills me you know because I I'm gone for a week and I come back and I can see my two-year-old is like grown up you know just in that week different you know and you know I'm missing a lot of that stuff and I don't want to do that so I just got to be smarter about how I do it so I got to make a living still got to you know maintain a lifestyle that has uh become pretty expensive but you know I don't need to do that I don't need to work as much as I have been which is what I'm really focusing on doing just being smarter about it yeah you read something else that said um I think it's a good thing that I'm not doing it right now I'm not doing it right now did you live out of your car for a while no no my dad did your dad did my dad did for a short while after uh after they got divorced he hates when I tell this story but it's amazing because my dad is one of my favorite people in the world he's an incredible dude um and had a really rough time coming out of you know the divorce uh you know we're like why does dad have all this clothes like on a rack in the back of his car we found out that he had a car and he had a car and he had a car and he was like living in there for a couple of months so yeah but I never had to do that thank god we did bounce around a lot as a kid you know we we uh after the divorce it was a rough several rough couple of years really after they got I think it was in 84 they got divorced I think that's right and uh you know we'd bounce from house friend's house to friend's house and it was just it was for us we didn't really know much different but there was a point I said why do we keep moving around what are we doing we're not doing anything we're not doing anything we're doing and then we ended up getting this little box of a house in northeast minor north dakota uh and that was kind of when we started to settle in but it was uh it was a rough couple of rough couple of years there so where I'm kind of going with this is I mean obviously your financial situation has drastically changed since those days and um I'm kind of you know I've built a pretty decent business here and I didn't come from money I'm not used to any of this and and you know and like leaving the SEAL teams leaving contracting for the CIA you know I was broke and I built a really uh awesome business here and now I'm not broke but looking back times were a hell of a lot simpler back yeah so what I want to ask you is did did the money did the the new financial situation I mean did that make your life more simple did such a good question Sean uh did it make it more simple no I don't think it makes it more simple what I do think it does it buys you a little freedom it buys you the ability to they say money doesn't bring happiness but it sure does bring freedom to do some things that you want to uh you know you get to kind of shape the world around you a little bit more you're not really at the mercy of anything if you're if you if you can if you're makes you any happier um you know for me it probably makes things a little bit more complex you know because with money and power and all these things you know there's like spider-man you know comes great responsibility and you can probably feel that just by what you've grown a lot of people are dependent on you now to answer whatever questions they have throughout the day or how to what's the next move and you know sort of falls on you but i i you know i pose this question to you is how do you and how do you uh impart what you learned and you've been through it dude you've gone you know all the way through the seal teams and the contracting and all the things that you built here because of something inside of you that had this drive to go build it achieve it how do you impart that on your kids because that's one thing that i am you know you can't you can't manufacture you know hardship you know yeah i don't know man i think about this all the time and um my son and my daughter are wildly different i mean it's kind of interesting you know the second one comes out and you're like i've been through this before this will be easy then they come and it's like this isn't the same person at all but um but my daughter is stubborn she is gonna be a badass uh you she just will not stop the younger one she's the younger one what's the younger one she's like me my son is like very loving caring yeah always watching out for a sister i don't know what his drive is yet but um anyways where i'm i think about like man i i same thing like i have all this these things that i've learned you know throughout life and how do i inject that into my kids you know there's major life lessons i don't know man i think one thing i do is uh i'll create not create scenarios but i always make them figure it out so this kind of started about a year ago and um a lot more pampering than a lot more pampering than i am so if he can't figure something out he'll ask me you know to help him and i will help him but i will say no you need to figure another way out of this there's always another way yeah so what he was he was trying to climb up this hill out of our creek yeah he loves playing in the creek and couldn't get up the damn hill and he's like help me day wants me to push him up and i'm like i'm not going to push you up i'm like you have to find another way no matter what problem you're going to face in life there's always an angle that you can take to accomplish what you want exactly and so you need to start looking around you know and i'll point like hey look the hill isn't as steep over there maybe you should walk over there you know and and so that was the first time that kind of clicked in my head and so that's with my son that's what i do now yeah because i've i forced him to find other avenues to get what's great what about you that's great that's great that you have this place to do that that's what's one of the reasons i love my place out in the woods so much is they got to figure things out you know like i had to figure i didn't know how to do anything when i got out there you know i don't know fix anything i would i'd never owned a boat before you know all the things that go into owning land i mean you're just constantly working so i'm at the point now my son is 12 and i'm still yeah that stuff doesn't stop now it's like okay dude you're going to be be looking after this place someday you need to start watching how you want to go you want me to pull you on the on the tube go get it hooked up and ready to go and then when you're done you got to properly roll it up and put you know little things like that to start instilling some uh ownership and some responsibility and accountability for it i think is i do the same thing i probably could have done a better job of it with my 12 year old he's like your your older one super sweet kid very thoughtful very compassionate kid uh but doesn't have that my little two-year-old is a little badass that one i gotta watch out for um very strong-willed very much very much very physical much more physical than actually but they're just different kids both amazing but just different Uh, so, you know, that's a, you know, just to be able to start imparting whatever, whatever I know, whatever I've learned onto them and just start giving them responsibility to let them start figuring shit out on their own because you can't, I'm not going to always be here, you know? 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My advice for being a father is, I think it's just. Try to. The number one thing that I learned from my dad is something he didn't even know he was teaching me, is that he just, the way he treated people, the respect that he had for people, it didn't matter what, you know, where they were at socioeconomically, you know, I'll never forget this story. He used to own a used car dealership, and it was right on Broadway in Minot, North Dakota. Next door to that was this old guy named Art, and Art wasn't very well off at all. He owned a little shack on this road. Now it's all been demolished, and they built nicer, bigger buildings there, but this guy was one of the last holdouts. He didn't want to sell his little place, and I remember going over to his house next door to my dad's used car shop, and I said, he's poor, isn't he, Dad? He goes, he's not poor. He's rich because he's happy. What'd he say? He's rich. He's rich because. Something about that he's happy, that he lives a happy life, you know? So it wasn't. He wasn't, you know, placing this guy's value or what I thought was value on what, you know, whether or not he made money and this is me as a little kid not knowing shit, teaching me that these guys, it doesn't matter how much money you have as long as you're living a, you know, a full and happy life, and this guy did. And I think that, you know, for me, it's like, I guess my point in telling you this is that I know my kids are watching me very closely in how I treat people, how I handle my own business. So the only advice I could give, because I'm the last person to tell people to raise a kid, I'm still figuring it out myself, but they're watching me, they're watching you closely, and the example you set is the way they'll go forward. Damn, that's weird. You, I was just going to bring that up, and I lost it, and so I asked this question. I was going to say, when we were talking about the knowledge transfer to your kids, it's at least, really, I mean, I think the best, you just said it, I think the best thing you can do is just be the example that you want your kids to turn into, you know? And it sounds like your old man did that to you. You're back in the Midwest, and I mean, I just, they are always watching, and, you know, I had an incident the other day that I'm not proud of, and we were at the airport, and it was taking, we were going on a little vacation, and we were at the check-in counter, and we got the bags, and there was some mishap. It wasn't our fault, and I was like, you are going to make us miss our vacation in a very heated way. Yeah. And then my son, my son looked at me and said the exact same thing to the woman behind the counter. I did a Facebook, and I was like, fuck, man. Yeah. I was like, ugh, that wasn't good, John. Yeah, well, I mean, listen, give yourself a little grace, but it's true. I have a story similar to that. Last year, I was taking my son to school, and we take the shortcut, because, you know, we live in, he goes to school about 40 minutes. We have to drive in the heavy traffic to get there, and it's just, it's always just a slog. So I take the shortcut where you got to kind of jump in, and there's just a lot, you know, it's a standstill, basically. So I was trying to get in, and this lady wouldn't let me in, and I was like, and she just like literally cut me off. I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, what are you doing? And all of a sudden, I hear, Dad. I was like, oh, shit. I forgot my kid was in the back seat. He couldn't believe it. You know, the poor kid is mortified. I'm like, yeah, there's a good example of, you know, your kids are watching. Do I want him to behave like that? No. So, you know, I guess it keeps me in check, too. Yeah, yeah. So how did you, did you grow up in the woods? So I grew up outside of town in Minot, North Dakota, in this little area called Robinwood, about five miles out of town. And, yeah, we were out in the country, and I'd spend all day, especially in the summer, just out in the woods catching frogs, fishing turtles, salamanders, fishing, riding our bikes wherever we could go. And that was kind of, and then my parents got divorced. We had to move into town, and that's when, you know, that was sort of like the next phase of my life. But my early days from the time I was probably a baby all the way up through fourth grade, I was out in the country. So I think part of the reason why I have this place now is me sort of reliving that, you know, the little Huck Finn story that I lived as a kid. You know, I just love being out there. It really brings me back to being a kid. And for me to now, you know, see my kids experience this and watch them sort of get to do the same things I did growing up was part of the reason I did it, honestly. Really? Is that why you asked? I asked because I was just curious if you move, if you moved back there for familiar, you know, and did you wanted your family to experience what you had, or if you were strictly there for the zombie apocalypse? No, it was, in the beginning, it was, this, I guess I bought this place 16, 17 years ago. And in the beginning, it was just because I just wanted to get away. I just wanted something really remote, really private. I was, you know, not trying to escape Hollywood. I just wanted something different that I could get away to if I needed to. And then it became something, as the world got a little bit scarier, I was like, you know what? Just really glad I bought this thing. In fact, I'm going to buy the property next door too. So then I had 55 acres out there, and I was like these two little cabins. And I really started thinking more about like, okay, how could I live out here so that if shit hits the fan, I can just live out here without, you know, completely unplugged. So then I started taking steps to do that, which was, you know, solar. which I never use. We ended up bringing electricity in, but everything runs off of propane, you know, and, you know, if we could fish, I could hunt, I could literally, we got three wells out there, so I got plenty of water and enough food if I need it. And then, you know, all the other stuff you need. Dude, I love prepping. So I want to hang out on this topic as long as possible. I could talk about it all day. All right. Okay. Where did you start? So you start, you got a small hunk cabin out in the middle of the woods, right? So I bought, so, okay, so I bought 12 acres, half a parcel, nothing on it from this old guy named Cody, Craig Cody, K-O-T-T-E. And then he passed away shortly after that. And he had a little hunting shack in the woods on the parcel, the half parcel next to where I just bought. No electricity, no water, outhouse, you know, he had these little copper wires running through there that he would learn, turn on these little lanterns, these little oil lanterns. That's how he lived out there. So then I had a little structure for the first time. So I had 26 acres and a little cabin that I never said, cause it was just so rat infested, mouse infested. I was like, it's too much. I'd leave there with a sore throat every time I'd spend the night. I was like, I'm going to clean this place up before I decide to like really start staying out here. So we'd go out, we'd camp a couple of days and then we'd just, start fixing it up. And then the other property next door, that went up for sale, another 26 acres with another little cabin that had electricity, but no water. So we dug another well. So I had a well and I brought electricity up to the top one. Then I have this little one on the water with electricity, but no, built a well there. So now I have these two little cabins, but they're both little. Now they're, we've, we've redone them now and they're nice little guest cabins, but I still didn't have, and so during COVID we spent, we spent all of our time out there. I mean, we, and, and we had to wash dishes in the lake, shower in the lake. It was like, it was like homesteading. - Oh shit, you were legitimately rough on it. - It was like homesteading for the first 10 years. But I loved it. - That's awesome. - Because I was constantly, it was pickaxes and it was shovels and it was clearing little spaces. I remember I found this little area down by the water that was all sand, but it had all these dead logs and all the kind of overgrown, I don't know. And I just knew that if I could clear this off, we'd have like this beautiful little beach. And sure enough, that became Axle Beach. My oldest son named it after him. And that's where the kids just run wild now. It's all cleared up and it's beautiful now, but it was, you know, a lot of just, and then I got a, I got a tractor and I got a skid steer and then it got to go, you know, we, we started moving. 'Cause then you could pop stumps and rocks and clear things much quicker. But for the first 10 years, it was, it was, it was literally like homesteading and I loved it. I'd leave, I'd leave LA, I'd go out there and I'd spend two weeks and just work on whatever my little project was. And over the years now, it's become like a really cool little spot that we just, you know, my family loves it. My, my parents, my sisters, my wife's family, they all come out. We just like make the most memories out there. It's amazing. - That's awesome, man. What, I mean, what are you worried about when it comes, what got you into the prepping? What was the, what was the last straw that you were like? - Well, I think it's, I think it's, you know, my, my, I've always had this, I don't know, recurring, not nightmare. It's more of like a daymare about, I read this book by Wesley Rawls called Patriots, the Guide to Surviving the Coming Collapse. And it was based on the 2008 market crash. And things almost got sideways in Los Angeles and all over the country. I don't know if you remember the banks and everything was, were freezing and it was like a whole thing, but then the government bailed them out and they sort of eased everybody's stress. This book plays it out as if it just kept going. And there are these certain cells around the country that had a plan that if this, if, if, if things went sideways, we get on our walkies and we all sort of send a message and we all go to our spots. And it was in Idaho. And it was like this camp where they would have, it was like a little mini militia almost where they, you know, everybody had a, had a certain skill sets. Some were medical, some were weaponry, some were construction, some were farming, communications. They all had, they all contributed. And if you didn't contribute, you're out. So it was like this little mini sort of militia of people that came with a certain set of skills that, that helped sort of fend off anybody that came. So that was kind of the beginning of it for me. It was like, I'm gonna, I need to build something that if things do go sideways, I gotta have a plan to get to Los Angeles. And I gotta have a plan to get from Los Angeles to here. And once I'm here, we'll be able to figure it out because I'll have what I need. So that was kind of the beginning of it. And now it's become- - What was your plan to get out of LA? - I got a motorcycle. Now I got kids. I don't know what I would do. I still got a, I got, I got, I got, I got a little dirt bike, but now I got a wife and I got three kids. So, so the, the plan is shifting. It's, it's, it's in development still, but you know, I had a whole thing where, okay, if I have to, I'll get a boat in the marina. I'll take that up the coast and I'll have a truck in a parking garage and I'll, I go crazy with this stuff. - Damn, dude. - Cause you know, when, when things lock down in Los Angeles and anything will set that off. I mean, you, those freeways lock up and there's no getting out. - Yeah. - So I need a way to like, to get out of there, like through the hills, down to the water, up and then, then get out. See, if I was a little bit tougher, Sean, I, I could have been a Navy SEAL, but I just don't, I'm just not made of the same stuff you are. I have the same mindset, just not the same toughness, but that was kind of, I mean, I go, I really go deep with it. I really think about, okay, how, how do we do that? How do we get out of here? You know, and that was, that was the biggest, and it still is one of the biggest things. If we're there and we get stuck, how do we get out? - Have you looked at dual citizenship? - What do you mean? - Are you that far down the rabbit hole? - The rabbit hole yet? - You mean like Canada? - Canada, a lot of, I mean, the top five places, I think are Ireland, if you have Irish roots, you can get it immediately, Portugal, but you got to learn Portuguese, Italy was on there. Canada was on there. What else was on there? Paraguay was on there. - Really? - Yeah, which was always, I've always said, if I got to get the hell out of Dodge, I'm going to Paraguay. - Why? - It's too far south for the cartels to be running drugs up. There's no ocean, which means nobody wants to vacation there. There's nothing there but farming and fucking cows. - Really? - Yup, and nobody knows about it. - Yeah, wow. - So that was always my spot. So when I, when I was- - So have you taken any measures to do that or not? - Not yet, I'm like in process. - But do you think you'd have to leave the country to do, to do all this? - I don't know. - What are your fears about it? - It's just a peace of mind. I'm not, I'm not like in a, I'm not going to, abandon the fucking country anyways. - Yeah. - I'm going to fight for it. But if, you know, but other people have to fight for it too. And if nobody's fighting for it, then one guy fighting for it isn't going to do a damn thing. - I think there are plenty of people that would fight for it though. - You think so? - Oh God, yeah. - I don't know, man. Sometimes I think it's all talk. - I don't know. - Which is why I'm looking at dual citizenship. - I haven't gotten that far down the rabbit hole, but you know, so what, so what are your fears about it? I mean, I know we're talking, we sound like crazy, you know, tinfoil hat wearing. - What do I? - But I mean. - I mean. - I think AI robots could be a real thing. - You think AI robots could be a real thing? - I mean, this AI thing is moving so quickly that I don't know if we can ever, if we got to get our, we got to wrap our arms around this thing or it's going to. - Well, it's interesting that all the people building AI are also building bunkers like Mark Zuckerberg that put a huge fucking bunker in Hawaii. - They know a lot more about it than we do. - I know. - It's like. - So speaking of AI, are you familiar with Claude? - Yes. - Okay. So before he came on, we had Claude, Anthropix AI, scrape the entire internet on you and come up with the most viral question that would land with the audience. - Okay, wow. - Here's the context. - That's cool. - You spent a decade in Transformers, films where the entire premise is robots coming to kill humans. Then last month you told Fox News you're now 72% ready for the apocalypse at your off-grid cabin. And you said in quotes, "I'm less afraid of zombies and more afraid of AI robots now. I don't know if we're ever going to fully be able to protect ourselves from what's coming." Meanwhile, you spent 15 years quietly building a 26 acre compound 40 miles from the nearest store. So here's the question. - Okay. - Take us inside the compound. If somebody, if someone watching right now wanted to start building their own version of what you've got, what's the gear, gadgets, survival kit, and guns you'd let them buy, you'd tell them to buy first? - Well, first thing you need is water. Electricity and water until you need a pump to pull the water out of the well. So you need some sort of electricity, whether it's solar or something, you know, whether it's gas powered or whatever, you need something to pull, you need water. That was the first thing I did. I have guns. Hopefully I never need them for anything other than hunting. What kind of guns? What would you recommend somebody to get? I got some nines. I've got shotguns. I've got rifles. Things that are all legal and registered. Anybody watching, please know that. It's all in the up and up, but that's one thing, protection, learn how to fish, learn how to hunt, and have shelter. I mean, for me, I built the shelters that I needed, but it's not like it's a fortified military type anything. I'm actually really looking at, I have this old container, this old shipping container that we bought during COVID that right now just acts as a shed. It's a shed for all my supplies, whether it's plumbing or extra wood or just tools, things that sort of overflow that go in there. Eventually, I want to bury that, put a, you know, under a concrete, a thick concrete sort of shed above that. So you walk inside the shed, you go down in this thing, then you have this whole bunker that I don't, I mean, listen, man, if they're coming, they're coming. I'm not sure if anything's going to stop it. I just hope that we wrap our arms around this thing. And have some sort of guardrails so that they don't just, because the way it's, it's moving at a pace so fast right now that we can't even grasp it. I know. I mean, I was at this, this event in Cannes last year called Cannes Line. It's a big branded, branded marketing convention. All the biggest brands go and they talk the latest and greatest. And all they talked about was this AI and how a year from the day it was, which was probably six months ago. You know, a year from that day, it's going to be 60 times more powerful than it was one year earlier. 60 times. So you can imagine you take that 60 times and then it just keeps growing exponentially. And I don't, I mean, I can't wrap my head around that. I don't know if anybody can. So I just, I just hope that we, you know, smart minds sort of come together and say, okay, hold on. Let's just slow this thing down a little bit. If we even can at this point. I don't know. I don't think it's unlikely. I did. I got you. One other gift though. So before we get too far from the guns, I got a buddy at Sig Sauer. Oh God. And I told him you were coming on. He's a huge Transformers fan. This is clear and safe, by the way. So that's the Sig Sauer 365 macro with a Sig Sauer suppressor and Sig's new optic line. Holds 17 rounds plus one in the pipe. Wait, you're giving me this? Yeah. You probably have to take that to the cabin. No, I don't think that's going to fly in LA. This is the coolest gift ever. Thank you. Yeah. We'll break it in here after this. If we've got time. That is amazing. Thank you so much. What is it? Is it a nine? Yeah, it's a nine millimeter. Wow. Thank you. You're welcome. Truly. Thank you so much. My pleasure, man. How do I get this back to Los Angeles? We'll talk offline. Okay. How do I get this back to Fargo? Yeah. I'll register it in Fargo. That's amazing. Thanks. You're welcome. You're welcome. Look good out there in the cabin. Yeah. But I would love to go through this shit with you. One thing, do you mind if I critique you a little bit? Yeah. All right. One thing. So you're learning, right? You're learning how to do all this. Yep. You need books, not fucking downloaded programs, not shit on computers. You need textbooks. How to survive. Okay. There's a really good series. This isn't a plug, but whatever. It's called Back to the Basics. Okay. And they have like a whole series, hardback, and it teaches you everything from fucking gardening to how to build a cabin to how to filter water, how to wash your clothes, how to make soap. Wow. How to do all of it. So that way, you know, you don't have to learn it all right now when the shit hits the fan. Because you never know. I mean, what if everything goes down? Everything's dark. We don't have, you know, our phones. We don't have computers to just, you know, look everything up. Yeah. So that's the reason? Just to have books? Yeah. You know? And then it's just like a piece. It's not a piece. I mean, you're going to use it. But you don't have to stress about knowing it all today because you have textbooks. Back to the Basics? It teaches you. Okay. It teaches you how to raise chickens, how to do everything. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. It's a great series. So that would be something I would invest in. Okay. You know? And. Because then you can learn as you go. Seeds. Okay. Do you have seeds? I do. I just bought a bunch of seeds. I just bought a ton of seeds. Good. Because we're building a food plot. That's one of our projects this year. We're doing a big pumpkin patch. Nice. The deer are probably going to eat most of the pumpkins. But we're hoping in the fall we can take the kids up and just do a big pumpkin patch thing. That's awesome. And then I'm building. And I cleaned up the whole perimeter of this. We live on this peninsula. And I'm cleaning up all the wood, all the old logs and stuff. And I'm going to plant it. A million wildflowers. Not that those seeds are going to do us any good. But you're talking about like what? Corn and what else? Anything. Corn, green beans, just lots of vegetables and lots of fruit. Yep. You know? And I just store them in a bin. And every time I go to a tractor supplier or wherever, I'm just buy a couple, throw them in there. And where do you plant them all? No. I just stockpile. Oh, you stockpile it. Okay. And is there an expiration on those or no? I don't believe so. Most gear looks good until you actually start using it. Then you find out pretty quickly what holds up and what doesn't. That's why I keep coming back to Roka. These aren't just lifestyle sunglasses pretending to be performance gear. I've worn mine training, on the range, traveling, and outdoors for long days. 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No, we've got-- I mean, we've got three walls. up there which are really really good water um so that i think is good enough nice the lake itself is all spring fed so it's a really it's one of the clearer lakes in minnesota which is awesome i mean i'm not going to drink it but if i had to boil it i guess we could right do you do you have a do you know what a berkeley water filter is no so it's a gravity filter so you just and it's like putting a bucket on top of a bucket and it takes out like 99.9 of okay everything super do you have that here uh i don't have it here but i have one i have a couple at the house okay and um yeah so you could take literally just about any water dump it in there and when it when it's done doing its thing it's really good is that this summer and where do you buy that oh you could probably you can get them on amazon okay all over the place berkeley water filter okay yeah another thing for you in l.a uh i think i'll just i'll text it to you another thing for your l.a home when you're in l.a is if you're worried about water you can get a dehumidifier and a solar inverter which you can get on amazon for like 500 bucks and you just plug in the dehumidifier and it will just pull water right out of the air really and it's filtered obviously so and how much water does that make enough to yeah have you ever seen one i don't think so yeah you just run the dehumidifier just pulls the humidity out of the air and then there's a little tank inside the dehumidifier i mean you can these are like i don't know 100 bucks maybe at home depot and uh yeah you just poke it up to your solar inverter if you don't have power and it's it's gonna it's going to pull water fast okay and that's called the what again that's a dehumidifier just a dehumidifier no there's no it's not called anything else okay all right a lot of people put them in their basements okay but good to know yeah what do you do for communications what do you have for that are you planning on communicating yes well i bought the i bought i got i saw them on instagram uh and they work they're amazing they're um they're walkies the satellite push to talk yes we just we just started using them i just got them working this last time i was out there nice they seem to work great and apparently you can where they work they triangulate with different satellites and you can use them across the country is that even real i've never tried that but i know that they work really well in our property right on man how about you what do you have do you use any kind of i'm not uh set up with comms yet yeah so i'll send you what i have right on it seemed pretty good what about ammo i could use more we call we couldn't we all but uh i have i have a fair amount but you know yeah i think it's good to you know have enough what kind of guns you have uh i got a 223 nice i got a 21 s glock 21 sf glock 17 what else shotguns mostly for hunting shotgun bird guns uh rifles you know for deer hunting i got a crossbow out there you got a 22 i do have a 22 nice yeah that's the best one man she can take thousands of rounds with you at a moment's notice because they're so light yeah but uh what else do i got i got this what is this this is a six hour sig 365 365 i just got this one just recently right on right on is your is uh is the fam into the prepping uh she thinks i'm a little bit crazy but she also appreciates it you know because at first and this you know bless her heart my wife is amazing because she grew up living that lake life her family is very close to where mine is so she gets it she loves being out there and we've made it comfortable now for the longest time and she was with me during that time and she was with me during that time and she was with me during the whole thing so it was like rough like believe it or not girls don't like having to go into an outhouse in the middle of winter minnesota walk outside in their snow boots to go to the bathroom it doesn't go over well it's not it's not like a you're not going to attract a lot of women with a an outhouse behind your thing but she must really love me uh but now it's much more comfortable you know we built everything's got a bathroom we got plumbing it's like and it's beautiful and we've got this beautiful beach that we built um so it's it's it's it's not super posh but it's comfortable you know i don't ever want it to feel too luxurious luxurious i like that it still feels a little bit rugged we still gotta you know work to me and we're 40 minutes from anything so we got to come prepared yeah um and so that part of it i love i mean every time i'm out there it becomes similar to what you're talking about with the books back to the basics it's like really just i forget about all the stuff that i'm when i'm in los angeles it's all about work achieve you know create but out there it's about survival it's about making sure that my family and everybody's come to visit us has enough water enough food enough heat um that's really where my head goes and it's it's a really uh liberating thing to not worry about the things that you do you know in the real world and just sort of focus on what is actually important i feel like your mind rejuvenates yeah when you do stuff like that out of the loop how do you how do you stay present with your kids in l.a when you're when you're in the mix when you're working um you know i just show up for everything if i if i'm in town i'm there i take him to school i take him to soccer practice six and basketball go to all the games uh help them with their homework if they need it um you know teach him you know how to shoot a jump shot he's all into basketball right now so he wants to do it he wants to do it he wants to do it always wants to play me and learn and so i'm always out there you know just whatever i can you know because i because i've learned seeing him like we talked about as a two-year-old and now a 12-year-old like these moments matter and if i'm gone for months at a time i need to make sure that i am with them and they know that i'm with them 100 when i'm here so they don't ever feel it like my biggest fear is looking back going you know i you know i screwed my kids up because i wasn't around enough you know it's one of the things that i've learned over the years one of my biggest fears i do not want to do that i want to make sure that they know that i am uh doing everything i can to you know be there for them as a dad does your wife keep you on the level oh yeah she does oh yeah maybe too much so no she's great she truly is the best thing that ever happened to me she's like um she's a north dakota girl you know very level-headed great mom loves my 12 year old who isn't even her kid um how'd you meet her she organizes the place she keeps everything sort of running at the house i met her in los angeles believe it or not uh she was living there we'd communicated through you know instagram believe it or not and a friend of ours like actually got us in contact actual contact because he knew her and he knew that she was from north dakota she knew that he knew that i was from there and he said you guys should meet and so you know we talked back and forth and she was like i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that but i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that i'm not going to you know real thoughts of a relationship because she's younger than me i didn't want to be that guy well it turns out i am that guy uh because i met her i brought her to my house i invited her over for this barbecue and i was like damn she's beautiful she's such a beautiful girl um and then we started dating after that and you know from there i kind of knew that this is the kind of girl that i want to be with um because i dated quite a bit after the divorce and i was like this is i don't josh back out in the wild is not a good thing i lost i i i'd forgotten how to you know you know survive you know in the wild you know it's like it's like it's like a monkey that grows up in the zoo you throw him out in the woods out in the jungle you know feed himself how long have you been married six years okay so yeah four years is she an end of the world or end of the world or yeah she is she does she think the the apocalypse is not really around the corner not really you know she does she lets me you know she likes the fact that we're i'm handling it but she's not that concerned about it yeah yeah how about yours your wife is she i would say it comes in waves i mean uh pretty tuned in with what's going on in the world just because of this so when i come home and uh after a rough interview and come home and tell her all about what i've learned for the day then she's like i'm glad we have three years of food prepped in the basement you know but um but uh i'm gonna do that too yeah we've we've uh i mean ever since covet man it's been i've always been concerned you know just from my previous life but um it's just how i think i always think that the bottom is going to fall out at a moment's notice and so i'm a bit contingent guy but um but uh yeah she she's in on it it goes in waves but sometimes she thinks i'm crazy and then something will happen and she'll be like yeah yeah well that's the thing is you it's kind of our job is to you know have a plan protectors you know so what i mean i want to go into a little more detail it can't just be ai robots what do you think is going to happen what are your biggest concerns right now just feels as if the there's an instability there's an there's a lack of response for law and order and people are really divided and i could see some sort of event where this side i don't want to call it a civil war but i mean that it feels more and more like you know i don't feel like we're coming together i feel like we're getting further and further apart so it could turn into something like that i'm hoping to god it doesn't the cooler heads prevail and we figure out a way to find some common ground because right now it just feels too divided and people are too okay with hating the other end yeah you know and there's a real hate problem in this country yeah and and it's like and i'm seeing i'm seeing people uh behave in ways they never would have behaved and i see it i mean i'm not going to give any examples but well-known people i'm like what the hell happened to you dude you're so blinded by your hate that you're just behaving in a way that's just like not you and i see that all over i have a i have a cyber truck uh and i bought this thing well before any of this stuff was happening well before any of the backlash against elon was happening and driving down the street in los angeles i can't tell you how many people like you fuck you so serious like that is just not okay behavior like when is it okay to just do that like that's just blind hate you know for something that has nothing to do i mean i can't drive whatever car i want to you know i can you know but but to have to like that kind of behavior to me scares me because people are irrational right now and i just want to make sure that uh you know i do what i can to keep the peace damn and to protect my family if i need to wow because it gets it's getting it's getting too like too okay with like behaving in ways that weren't okay even 10 years ago it feels like it's becoming more and more of that do you see that in north dakota no not anywhere not even close um damn we don't i don't see that around here no wow yeah it's just completely irrational behavior and it's because there's such hatred uh for the other side that uh people are just losing their minds a little i used to see it yeah here the farther we get from covid they ease the the the it's easing up but i will say like with everything that's been going on i did the vibe that i'm getting is that maybe we are finding some common ground with like the epstein files and a lot of the stuff that's going on in the world it seems like a lot of people are like yeah this isn't going how we thought it was going to go and um i think i think there is a growing base of the country that is just hating our government our politicians and i think that's a good thing because it's at least it's something to you know well hopefully it'll you know it'll you know create some accountability yeah you know because without getting too much into it because i don't like to i'm never going to preach to people about well how to believe or what they should believe or shame them for what they do believe but you know there's definitely got to be some accountability because there's been some heinous uh behavior that shouldn't just shouldn't be okay and like i said i think it's just like things that weren't okay even five years ago or now seem to be somehow brushed under the rug it's like no that's not okay yeah you know i just want to make sure that we you know people are maintaining some clarity around like what is like okay behavior and what's not you think this could all be biblical oh i don't know i don't know i haven't thought about like that you haven't no you're a christian right i am but i guess i haven't made that connection what do you mean well i've been a lot of the things in the bible that say that that they a lot of things are happening that the bible says would happen oh gosh right now and uh that's a whole other conversation but that's uh that's that's kind of where i'm i've landed oh boy summer cooking is here steaks burgers breakfast before a long day or those nights when one person stops by and suddenly you're cooking for everybody and everyone talks about the grill but your pans are still doing a lot of the work if they stick burn heat unevenly or make cleanup a pain they're making cooking harder than it needs to be that's why i use hexclad you get the performance of stainless steel the convenience of non-stick in one pan a proper sear great heat control and easy cleanup so you 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right now and that's supposed to happen um there are public figures in the world that mirror very closely to predictions i don't know if they predict things that say that that's going to happen in the world and um it's it's a lot of political that has gone on in the country says that's going to happen um like gender ideology like this but uh it's and it seems to be speeding up getting faster yeah i don't see i don't see any uh backing off from either side as far as what this is what this is why i tend to not get overly involved in this stuff because what i've one thing that i've learned from all this is that i'm not changing anybody's mind people are people are dug in yeah All you can do is just sort of behave in a way that you think is right, loving, not filled with hate. Part of the reason I went back to the church, honestly, I needed something to rise above the noise because I found myself starting to feel some of this same hatred against the people that I disagree with. And I was like, what am I doing? I was losing sleep over it. I was, you know, really, really angry and started, you know, what am I doing? I need to get back and reconnect spiritually. And so I found, I started, I dropped my son off. He goes to a Catholic school. I would just drop him off and go sit in church for 15 minutes, just pray or just meditate. Find my own location somewhere. I'll find a church. Whether it's Catholic or Presbyterian or Lutheran, I don't care. As long as God lives there, I'll go. And I found that that's really sort of helped me sort of make it. make sense of some of it and hopefully, uh, find some clarity in it all because I just needed something because I didn't want to be that woman in the street flipping me off, you know, just with this hatred in her eyes. I was just like, I'm not going to be that person. I need to like figure out a way to, you know, find God again. When did you start looking at that? I mean, I've never really, I mean, there's, I go through phases where I'll be really connected spiritually in times that I'm not. And, uh, I find that when I am connected spiritually, I'm a much better friend, father, husband, brother, uh, just a better person all around when I'm connected spiritually. When I'm not, you know, I can get a little squirrely, you know, I can start to lose track of what's important, you know, and this business can really take you down some dark roads. Um, and so I needed to stay. And I think that's what the Catholic religion did for me. It was really, you know, even though I don't agree with a lot of this stuff, I still find that it's really taught me right from wrong and gave me that backbone to be like, okay, this is it. Whenever I, whenever I, you know, go wayward one way or the other, it always kind of brought me back, you know, church, friends, family, you know, it's been, thank God I have a good group of friends, really good family and, uh, was raised Catholic. It was raised Christian. Um, now I'm not as, I don't, the dogma, love at all. Doesn't mean as much to me. I don't care so much about like what religion says I have to do to what, as long as it feels like it's, uh, you know, about love, peace, harmony, things that, uh, keep my head clear of all the noise. I grew up Catholic too. Yeah. Are you still Catholic? Yes. I think so. Me too. I, but I, like you, I started kind of going around and I wanted, I mean, I fell out of it. I was raised Catholic and then kind of fell out of it in the SEAL teams and recently, maybe with the last two, three years kind of, uh, refound Christ, you know? And, um, and so I started going to all these non-denominational churches. Yeah. Me too. And, uh, I really like 'em. Yeah. And, and, you know, I think, I think I'll probably get blasted for saying this, but I think one thing that the Catholic religion, um, lacks on is, uh, the teachings of Jesus. Cause I don't, growing up, I don't know shit about the teachings of Jesus or really who he was. And I realized that when I was going to these non-denominational churches, I was like, these Southern boys and girls over here are like quoting scripture, like bam, bam, bam. I can't do any of that. Yeah, me either. And so I really, I started paying a lot of attention because I wanted to learn more about Christ and the life of Jesus and what it all means instead of just, Yeah. the, you know, typical Catholic mass and, uh, and then I started reading a lot about spiritual warfare and, uh, uh, diabolic influence and stuff like that. And that, I don't think anybody in Christianity matches the Catholic church when it comes to spiritual warfare, what it all means, how it works. And, um, so What do you mean by that? Spiritual warfare. Yeah. I mean, no, nobody can match the Catholic religion. What does that mean? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I, I don't think it's a good thing or a bad thing. I think that Like, why is the Catholic religion better at spiritual warfare than the rest of them? Um, What is spiritual warfare? What is spiritual warfare? Spiritual, man, how do you describe, I mean, basically spiritual warfare is, you know, the good and evil and the battle for your soul or your mind. Oh, okay. Now I got you. I would agree with that then, because that's, what's kept me from really going off the deep end. Really is like taking that dark road down whatever path it was going to take. Spiritual warfare brought me back to, you know, whether you agree with the Catholic, you know, dogma and all the stuff around it, it does give you that sense of right and wrong. It talks about, I had this guy, father Ripperger on and, uh, he's like the, the exorcist in North America. Okay. And, um, he wrote this book called Diabolic Influence, which I've been picking up and digging into since I've interviewed him. And it talks about everything from, I mean, I don't know if you believe in possession and exorcisms and all that kind of stuff, but, um, it, he kind of talks about how evil demons, demonic influence kind of seeps into your life. And how it gets in. And a lot of the ways it gets in is by, um, uh, like really just really bad, uh, shit that you're doing. Yeah. And, um, so it's, it's, if you get into it, it's pretty fascinating. I'm going to read that book. I'll send you the episode. Oh, I'll go if I can find that episode. You can't even buy the book. Oh, really? That's the thing. Yeah. Really? Yeah. There's a couple, but he wrote it for, uh, he wrote it for basically, he wrote it for the Vatican as a guide, you know, to how this is, how it's happening. And it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's fascinating, dude. Okay. The table. Do you have a copy of that? I got a copy. Wow. I would be very interested in that because yes, I do believe in that. I do believe that there's some dark forces at play. Me too. And if you're not spiritually connected, you're really susceptible. And, uh, you know, it's easy to become susceptible. Oh yeah. You know, if you're not vigilant about, you know, staying spiritually connected. Yeah. So what got you into the longevity stuff? Well, I was, uh, I was taking testosterone. Oh yeah. I was taking testosterone replacement therapy for a few years before I ever started any of this. And I was keeping it a secret. I was doing some of the peptides, but you know, never told anybody about it, but I was seeing how much it was actually helping me. And uh, my friend Fabian Calvo, uh, brought me this idea to be part of this company. I was like, no, no, no, I can't tell people what I'm, you know, that's my dark little secret. Uh, but then I started thinking about that and I was like, of course I should do this. I could easily shine a light on that makes it okay because it's helped me so much. I mean, it's truly testosterone replacement has been huge for me. It's brought my levels back. I was low. So, you know, I'm able to keep muscle on, able to, you know, do things that I could do in my thirties that I'm now 53 and can do. Um, and then we got into the peptides sort of learning more and more about them and how much, uh, how much they can actually help. And I think that that was, that was the reason why is because it gave me a chance to sort of share some of the stuff that I'd learned. Uh, even though I was keeping it quiet for so many years, what kind of peptides I do, uh, I do a, um, I'm sorry. Um, Tessa Moreland, I do the Wolverine stack, which is H uh, H G H H K G C U TB 500 and a KPV, which is great for joints and skin and hair recovery, uh, cell regeneration. Um, what's, um what else do i do i do nad and matzi what does that do uh nad is is like uh uh nad and matzi to help the mitochondria i'm not gonna probably i'm probably gonna butcher this a little bit i'm learning but it's really good about energy skin staying young looking uh the mitochondria and the energy and stuff like that is is what it's uh supposed to be do you do any of this stuff yeah i do trt i don't do peptides but i'm getting ready to yeah and uh yeah and then the nad stuff it works man it really does work you know and then there's the hrt we started doing it for women too which is you know we we started as just a men's company and then i had so many females in my life saying dude you gotta like we need help too and i started doing research on that and there's the hrt which can literally prolong the youth of women it can it can it can uh stem the the the the effects of perimenopause and menopause and bring your levels of progesterone and and uh estrogen back up to what they were so women don't have to go through the same things that they always have you know with menopause so all this stuff is like wait are you saying it like skips menopause well no it just it just delays the effects of it it just delays the effects of it it just delays the effects of it and and reduces like the hot flashes and the uh the i don't know i'm not i i have never gone through it because i'm not a female but for what i've but what from what i've heard like if you can if you can regulate your hormones that's part of the reason why this menopause is such a bitch for women is because their their their hormones have have fallen off like in men it's testosterone women it's estrogen progesterone and testosterone as well so you can really sort of regulate your that stuff with this hormone therapy and we have doc we have a whole and what makes this company so great is that we have a whole team of doctors so it's like a concierge service so the fda doesn't let you just go out and click click click and have the stuff sent to you they want you to be guided by a professional medical expert. Somebody with the ability to actually walk you through this and create a plan. And so we have a whole team of doctors. So I feel like we're doing it the right way. We're really able to help so many people. And this stuff works. I mean, it truly works. And so it's been really, really fun, actually. For me, learning more and more about it, because I have a real natural curiosity for wellness and longevity and trying to stay as healthy as I can for as long as I can, not just for my work, but for my kids. You know, I'm 53 years old and I have a baby on the way. I need to be as strong as I can for her as long as I can. - Congratulations on that. - Thank you. You gonna have any more? - Probably not. - No? - Yeah. - How old are you? - 43. - Oh, you're still a young man. - I would love to, but I don't know if it's gonna happen. - Yeah, you got two beautiful ones. That's all that matters. - Yeah. - So yeah, that's the main reason, is just because I wanted to be able to build something and help. And for myself personally, selfishly, I was trying to learn as much as I could to stay in the game for as long as I could. I'm not going out without a fight, man. I'm gonna stay as young and strong and virile for as long as I can. - Right on. You guys have any, you venturing into anything new? Are you gonna stick with the peptides, NAD and DRT? - Well, I mean, there, yes. Right now, I mean, there's just so much, there's stuff that coming up on the horizon that's just like unbelievable. Some of these things that are not approved yet, but they're about to be. So for now, yes, hormone therapy for men and women, testosterone for men, HRT for women, whether it's estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and then all these amazing peptides. Eventually, it may be stupid, but it's gonna work. It's gonna help stem cells. - Nice. - Which is another thing that's gonna become incredibly beneficial. I mean, the science behind that is incredible, too. I mean, I'm just like beginning to learn about like how amazing that stuff can be if done and, you know, administered properly. And, you know, thankfully with Dr. Lawrence and his team, we have just the best people in the world to help. - Right on. Have you looked at, I'm just curious, have you looked at this plasma exchange? - Mm, I've heard a little bit about it. - You know what I'm talking about? - You talking about when they spin the blood in the PRP? - No, no, they, it's almost like blood filtration. Have you seen any, I don't know how much time you spend on social media or if you've seen it, but right now, like this trend, there's all these people, they hold up these bags. - I saw Rogan did that, didn't he? Didn't Rogan have a big one? - Yeah, that's plasma exchange. So apparently it's like filtering all the spike proteins, and all the shit out of your blood. - Really? - Like maybe heavy metals and stuff. And the darker the bags are, the more toxins that it's pulled out of you. - I would hate to see what mine looks like. - I know, me too. Me too. But- - Might it be like a greenish hue? - We've never seen that color before. That's fucking red. But yeah, I don't know. That's something I've been looking into to do. So, especially with all the exposure of all the fucked up places I've been throughout the world. - Parasites is another one I wanna look into. - Yeah. - I've heard a lot about this stuff. I'm just, again, I don't, I'm no expert in any of this stuff. I'm as curious as anybody else, but I do have a natural sort of curiosity to learn more. And parasites are one of them that my mother was at. My mother's always kind of been on the forefront of this stuff. She was eating the egg whites in the early 80s. We were so embarrassed. Like, mom, you're asking me to take your egg yolk. Like she's, this girl, she's been always sort of, and she was telling me about, parasites and how you need to get checked for them and how you can get them sort of expelled from your body. I don't know. Is it a fad? I don't know. Feels like it could be real. - Yeah. - All the stuff we eat. - Oh, I'm sure it's real. - Yeah. - I'm sure it's real. But, well, where do people find the company? Who's it for? - What's that? - Is it for everyone or? - It's for everyone. I mean, it's, I mean, we're finding in our data that people are doing it younger and younger as a preemptive sort of way to stay, to prevent, you know, some of these effects of aging that happen. So people in their 30s are starting to use this stuff. But we, you know, we're meant for people my age, 40s, 50s, even 60s or 70s. These things can be really beneficial. Gatlin.com will set you up with one of our doctors who will put you through, you know, a few of the steps that it takes to get involved. This is, you know, this is a big deal for people to get into. And it can be scary for people. So we want them to be as comfortable as possible. Make sure they get their levels checked. Make sure you know where you're at. Just in general, you should know that anyway, I think. Just get your levels checked. You'll find that you're probably not optimizing as well as you could be. There's a lot of peptides you could be using. Your hormones can be leveled up to where they should be. So it's a pretty easy process. It's telemedicine, but it's like telemedicine 2.0 because we make it real simple. Everything's delivered discreetly to your house, but you'll also have somebody there to help you. So you don't have some dude from the gym who compounds under the backseat of his car, you know? See, that's not a good idea. Stay away from the research and development stuff from China, I'm telling you. All of our stuff is 100% compound in the USA, compounded in the USA with, you know, through our own 503B, 503B pharmacies and API wholesalers. And we just, we know where this stuff is coming from and it's all like the best quality. - Right on, and she's at gatlan.com? - Gatlan.com, yeah, G-A-T-L-A-N. - Right on, right on. - I got a hat for you too, by the way. - Oh, dude, thank you. Nice, thank you. - Yes, sir. - Well, I think we're wrapping up the interview, but I just wanna say that, man, you're like a really grounded person, it seems like. - So are you, Sean. - Thank you. - But I already knew that about you. - How so? - I just, you know, people who know you, watching the show. - How do you stay grounded? - How do I stay grounded? - Yeah. - Honestly, I've got a really, really awesome group of friends, there's like 20 of us that every day we're on a thread. And if you didn't know we were best friends, you might think we're worst enemies, 'cause there is no, there is no pulling any punches. These guys are ruthless, but also super loving. They don't let me get, you know, any higher than I need to be. - Good. - They love me and they, you know, they got my back, but they're not, they don't treat me any differently. And I think that's been a big part of it. Great family, amazing wife, you know. North Dakota's been good. - Good for you, man. Got some good people around here. It's good to hear. Well, thanks for coming. - My man. - Thank you so much for having me. No matter where you're watching The Sean Ryan Show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, head to Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review.