Speaker 1Welcome to the Dr. Obedovinga Day podcast. Dr. Obed is a thought leader and apologist who speaks to life's great existential questions of origin, purpose, faith, and destiny with fluency and grace. He is an author and the president of the Christ Cosmopolitan Incorporated, a vibrant apostolic commission that heralds the message of the fullness of Christ. Dr. Obed has seen his ministry soar to great heights over several years, touching the lives of many across the globe through his various ministry platforms. May you grow in grace and the knowledge of Christ as you listen to mind-renewing and heart-enlightening messages by Dr. Obed. Do enjoy this teaching. God bless you.
Speaker 2So, we are into.
Speaker 3Occultism. To discover the secrets of the Word of God. The secrets of the Word of God. Why don't you rather say secrets and you want to say occult? Come and preach.
Speaker 2What is your problem? Why don't you always
Speaker 3want to bring issues to us? Just say you are a secret preacher. No, I'm an occult preacher. Oh, this is not the first time. Listen, they called me occult from 2000. No, that was when it came public. From the year 2000, they said I was occult. So, for 25 years. I have been branded as such. 22 years. Branded as such. 22 years of deep occultism. 22 years. You can just imagine how deep I have become. If there is any degree, probably I'm in the 33rd degree. If years amount to degree, then I'm in the 22nd. If years amount to degree, then I'm in the 33rd degree. People, forget about them, what they are saying. That's not what matters. What matters is the Word of God. Not what people claim and how they call it. The Word of God. The Word of God. The Word of God. And that is the reason why we are occult in the body of Christ. But the truth is that when we put them to death, we put them to the test to ask them questions. That is when we will find them wanting. So, it is not you going about and tail bearing and saying things. It is in can we sit and talk? What are you? And who are you? You don't even know who you are.
Speaker 2In Christ. There is nothing like, I want to drop it. So, the subject matter is occultism, cultism, heresy. And can you imagine Paul said, I belong to the way.
Speaker 3That's cult. But I admit. Acts 24:14. But I admit. I admit. Said Paul. That I follow the way of God. That I follow the way which they call occult. I follow the way. I worship the God of our ancestors. I firmly believe the Jewish law and everything written in the prophets. Somebody says, no, no, no, no. It was not Paul that was calling it occult. It was they that were calling it occult. Actually, that was what was happening. Because Paul was into a particular cultivation. Apart from what the main lines were into. It was a sect.
Speaker 2It was a cult. It was a cult. If you are not occult, then stop church.
Speaker 3Because church is for cultivation, edification, raising of people. That is occult. So if you are not into occult, you are wasting the time of the people. You are not cultivating anything within them. And God is going to ask you why you have been appointed as a preacher and you are not into any kind of cultivation. Break it down.
Speaker 2Break it down. So we went into the subject matter of damnable heresy. Damnable heresy. Damnable heresy.
Speaker 3Damnable heresy. What is damnable heresy? Any kind of division of religion that denies the death and the resurrection of Jesus is damnable heresy according to Peter. ♪ ♪ two things here number one peter does not blink he said there is pure religion
Speaker 2so religion as open as can be means that there is what
Speaker 3is pure and there is what is impure they hear what he says he said every religion would end up before god and the father that matter must be well understood he didn't say before god and he didn't say before the father he said before god and the father pure religion and undefiled before god and the father why did he say before god the father but it is before god and the father so when i say that god is the end of all religion you and the definition of what is pure and what is impure i am not talking about the father alone i'm talking about all that is in existence as god
Speaker 2this is very settling for the heart pure
Speaker 3religion so if somebody says he is into the attainment of bliss which is life and peace as defined by the father in the book of romans the chapter number eight he said to be spiritually minded is life and peace to be spiritually minded is life and peace to be spiritually minded is life and peace this life and peace is bliss the definition of bliss in spirituality is to have life and peace so
Speaker 2hear this in the classification of religion and in the clash of religion
Speaker 3there are three kinds of people in all religion the fathers of religion the youth of religion and the children of religion now do not be children who are tossed to and fro in religion don't be children tossed to and fro to and fro that exists in all religion he said in Ephesians chapter 4 he said henceforth that we no more be children that we no more be children tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine by the slates of men carried about by every wind of doctrine by the slates of men come in craftiness whereby come in craftiness whereby come in craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive so watch they lie in wait to deceive so watch they lie in wait to deceive so watch this when I say children I'm talking about this when I say children I'm talking about this when I say children I'm talking about those in the religion that go after those in the religion that go after those in the religion that go after anything and they seem to be confused anything and they seem to be confused anything and they seem to be confused today they are to tomorrow they are the today they are to tomorrow they are the today they are to tomorrow they are the troll they go to and throw children of troll they go to and throw children of troll they go to and throw children of religion the number two there also are the youth of religion when we talk about the youth of religion we are looking at those that have committed themselves to understand the
Speaker 2precepts to be founded and they are referred
Speaker 3to as the youth of religion the youth of religion don't confuse this who are the
Speaker 2youth of religion
Speaker 3i actually believe that timothy was not young as many may claim i actually believe i'm not talking about um how do we call it a conflict here or a dispute or facts i'm saying i actually believe that timothy was not young a man as others may call it why do i say so because the definition of a youth in the bible is specific let no man look down on your youth he's not talking about fiscal age he's talking about an attainment of spirituality let no man despise your youth what does it mean there is the time when you are a child and there is a time when you are a young man a young man is a youth so before we deal with 1 timothy chapter 4 we read in the book of john when the apostle was writing in his letters one john he said i write unto you fathers i write unto you young men and i write unto you children these have got nothing to do with physical age he's actually talking about the attainment of spiritual stature in the body in the faith of religion now hear what he said i write unto you fathers because you have known him that is from the beginning you are standing in a place like moses you have known him that is from the beginning i write unto you young men and that does not mean masculine figures but actually a stutter of youthfulness within religion he said because you have overcome the wicked one you have overcome the wicked one who is this wicked one we will see it soon because the wicked one is the world and the controller the rough you have overcome the wicked one you have overcome the wicked one the one that wants to draw you the one that is here to resist you in religion the one that creates the confusion of faith the one that does not make you settled in your heart hey if you are a youth you have overcome the wicked one the one that wants to draw you the one that is here to resist you in religion the one that creates the confusion of faith the one that does not make you settled in your heart hey if you are a youth you have overcome the wicked one the deceiver of the world for he deceived adam the deceiver of the world for he deceived adam the deceiver of the world for he deceived adam hey you have overcome the wicked one for he hey you have overcome the wicked one for he hey you have overcome the wicked one for he deceived the whole world according to the deceived the whole world according to the deceived the whole world according to the revelation of jesus christ before the revelation of jesus christ before the revelation of jesus christ before the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our god and of his christ we kingdoms of our god and of his christ we kingdoms of our god and of his christ we must overcome the wicked one the bible must overcome the wicked one the bible must overcome the wicked one the bible said and the great dragon was cast out said and the great dragon was cast out said and the great dragon was cast out that old serpent called the devil and that old serpent called the devil and that old serpent called the devil and satan which deceived the whole world he satan which deceived the whole world he satan which deceived the whole world he deceived the whole world but the one deceived the whole world but the one deceived the whole world but the one that brings him the deception of this that brings him the deception of this that brings him the deception of this whole world being the wicked one you as a whole world being the wicked one you as a whole world being the wicked one you as a young man has overcome him you have gone young man has overcome him you have gone young man has overcome him you have gone into a certain spatter of spirituality into a certain spatter of spirituality into a certain spatter of spirituality where his words don't mean anything to where his words don't mean anything to where his words don't mean anything to you you you now watch this the bible says you now watch this the bible says you now watch this the bible says you children you go to children you go to children you go to and throw you are carried away by every and throw you are carried away by every and throw you are carried away by every wind of doctrine wind of doctrine wind of doctrine that is lying in which to deceive that is lying in which to deceive that is lying in which to deceive to deceive to deceive to deceive he said that we henceforth be no more he said that we henceforth be no more he said that we henceforth be no more children children children tossed to and through carried about tossed to and through carried about carried about with every wind of doctrine he is said by the slaves of men and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive so watch this who is a young man the young man is the one that has overcome the deception of the wicked one he is the one that has overcome the deception of the world and we need to know what the world is so so i'm picking it a step at a time so that you can understand my language biblical terminologies and now you can ask yourself whether you are a child in the faith whether you are a young man in the faith or whether you have attained fatherhood in the faith now hear me listen you can be in church for 50 years and before god you are still a child if any topic of christian doctrine gets you confused you are a child it doesn't matter whether you are not bishop or a bishop you can even be a pope or a cardinal christian topics doctrine the matter of doctrine gets you confused we are not talking about your church doctrine we are talking about when we hear the things that you are saying the contents of the word of god in you on the subject matter of our faith when we realize there is a dent in the doctrine that you are preaching which shows that there is yeast in what you are saying in the dough in the bread that you are serving there is yeast in it it simply means that the dough is not there is living it is not unliving then you that preacher you are a child you got to get this straight any preacher that preaches with yeast will live him in his message is a child because in spiritual maturity a young man cannot be deceived please we are not talking about the deception of a man they say I cannot be deceived like Maria Tarsus said if you are not that's not because you may even be living in deception but that you are with Tarsus Maria Tarsus Maria Tarsus we are not talking about me that's not what I'm talking about I'm not talking about that one me you may even be living in deception by this your Presbyterian Methodism and Pentecostal and charismatic and your charismatic and you may be living in deception an entire cult within the body of Christ could be living in deception an entire cult within the body of Christ could be living in deception so get the deception I'm talking so get the deception I'm talking so get the deception I'm talking about then you can define your age about then you can define your age about then you can define your age spiritually this is a very important spiritually this is a very important spiritually this is a very important matter it's a matter of concern do you matter it's a matter of concern do you matter it's a matter of concern do you have gravity when it comes to the Word have gravity when it comes to the Word have gravity when it comes to the Word of God gravity in the Word of God so who of God gravity in the Word of God so who of God gravity in the Word of God so who is a child children are tossed to and is a child children are tossed to and is a child children are tossed to and fro on the ground and they are not fro on the ground and they are not fro on the ground and they are not on the basics of deception who is a young on the basics of deception who is a young on the basics of deception who is a young man a young man is the one that has man a young man is the one that has man a young man is the one that has overcome the wicked one who is this overcome the wicked one who is this overcome the wicked one who is this wicked one the one that deceiveth the wicked one the one that deceiveth the wicked one the one that deceiveth the whole world he has overcome him at this whole world he has overcome him at this whole world he has overcome him at this point in time there is no deception point in time there is no deception point in time there is no deception that the enemy may sell out that he will that the enemy may sell out that he will that the enemy may sell out that he will buy like adam and eve did buy like adam and eve did buy like adam and eve did adam and eve were spiritually adam and eve were spiritually adam and eve were spiritually thoughtless adam was a partner thoughtless adam was a partner thoughtless adam was a partner spiritually spiritually spiritually that is the reason why that is the reason why that is the reason why it is not in it is not in it is not in drop that one you see i need to bring you to that you see i need to bring you to that you see i need to bring you to that place where you are hearing well place where you are hearing well place where you are hearing well i don't want to injure your heart i don't want to injure your heart i don't want to injure your heart i want you to follow me i want you to follow me i want you to follow me and i won't say things and i won't say things and i won't say things that will let you block in because there that will let you block in because there that will let you block in because there are things i want to say about adam are things i want to say about adam are things i want
Speaker 2to say about adam and especially the woman eve
Speaker 3and if you don't take it and if you don't take it and if you don't take it in hearing the depths of it you need to in hearing the depths of it you need to in hearing the depths of it you need to understand everything understand everything understand everything what the world is when we finish we'll what the world is when we finish we'll what the world is when we finish we'll talk about adam and eve talk about adam and eve talk about adam and eve in the context of what you think you in the context of what you think you have become lando static lando static lando static imamashu daigisai ga imamashu daigisai ga imamashu daigisai ga barani commande sundry hilo barani commande sundry hilo barani commande sundry hilo zaikitas zaikitas zaikitas a zagan gisonge a zagan gisonge a zagan gisonge ivyai kata kashkada hashta ivyai kata kashkada hashta ivyai kata kashkada hashta leheshkere leheshkere leheshkere muralu keso iaikita muralu keso iaikita muralu keso iaikita randeli rojosera randeli rojosera randeli rojosera hi ha hadis kuwaikata stalan hi ha hadis kuwaikata stalan hi ha hadis kuwaikata stalan stalan stalan hear this stalan stalan hear this stalan stalan hear this hear this hear this hear this so now so now so now we're looking at who is a young man we're looking at who is a young man we're looking at who is a young man so i say that timothy may not necessarily so i say that timothy may not necessarily so i say that timothy may not necessarily be young physically be young physically be young physically but was a youth but was a youth but was a youth spiritually he had attained that place he had attained that place he had attained that place where he wants to be an example to the where he wants to be an example to the the brethren to the believers he was not to be an example to the young ones physically he was to be an example to the believers be thou an example of the believers watch this in word I say that Timothy was not physically young be an example in word be an example in conversation be an example in charity be an example in spirit be an example in faith be an example in purity this is a young man one who inspires others he has overcome the wicked one he has overcome the wicked one he has overcome the wicked one he has overcome the wicked one he has overcome the wicked one he has overcome the wicked one he has overcome the wicked one let no man despise your youth he's not talking about 20 year olds to 40 year olds like the way we've made it to seem you may apply it like that if you want to there's nothing wrong with it that's application but we are looking at my little children so who were they according to Paul for whom I travel again in bed pangs until Christ be formed in you was he talking about children no he was talking about a stature of spirituality my little children for whom I travel in bed pangs till Christ be formed in you watch here so we are fathers who are the fathers they know him from the beginning who are the young men they have overcome deception who are the children tossed to and fro three portions of faith so what do you do when you go to Islam they have the three these three are definitions of religion these three they are in every religion it is not necessarily in the usage of words they are actually what we see always being expressed in religion there are people who belong to faith but they are not grounded in the faith they are tossed to and fro they are Muslims but they wonder if Islam is the true way sometimes in water to them are you really sure that it is Islam you really want to be in there are Christians who sometimes are casted in this thing we call Christianity are we really sure about this Christianity children so if you see a man of God telling you I've been battling with this for 20 years till last year when I now resolved and came to a resolute decision that was the for the 20 years that he was a man of God he was a child so get this it doesn't matter so you come to the place where in religion or the faith you belong to is solidified in your hearts to overcome every contrary word that seeks to deceive and to convict and to make converts from that religion to another religion then you are a child so this is it what we preach when we preach a we are not looking for the fathers of the religion we won't get them they have what they have known from the beginning you can't win them when we also preach we are not looking for the young men who we will not get them they have overcome anything called deception or what can deceive them in religion what are we looking for the children of the faith that are being tossed to and fro so since they are going to and fro now typically let's make it practically appreciative when you start a church do you go and look for churchgoers I'm asking you a question do you go and look for churchgoers no because on Sunday they'll be on their way to their church you can't convince them to come to your church so who do you go and look for every church begins with something like we started and no before you come to those who stay at home every church if you want to start a church you have to start with children if you are not ready to do children's ministry that's how come yes by the way okay that's how come if you are a pastor you say you don't have a heart for children it means you can never be a check planter is it not the reason why when we send elders we see what happens to their master sees because you are not ready to focus on children any check that has no focus on children will not grow because look at this just a few years back we met Eugene her sister now they are all sitting in this place as youth a few years back so if you mobilize a thousand children give yourself time years they will grow yes don't grow it is the reason why when you look around here we have a lot of 20 year olds more than 30 year olds and fewer than 40 years and 250s to 160s those that are in their 60s and 70s are very few because it is a different thing that might have brought them here yes so it's a different matter that might have brought them here but this is the reason why if you want to start a church and you start in your 50s forget it the people you win they have found their churches already oh you are not getting this they have found you are 15 year old you want to now start a church it won't work because when you meet all your colleagues that you can talk to they are already in churches do you know that there are people who love CCI they wish they were in CCI but i am sorry paying you to me but just send this part number by a member there was CCI Dickie Ennis bar presbyter someone power no my baby didn't call uncle I hate you unless it is revelation that one is different
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