296. The Disturbing Death of Emily Noble

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And now we're here recording the next day. And this is kind of getting long. So I'm going to end it here. We're going to jump into today's case. And hope you guys enjoy it. Our sources for this episode are oxygen.com, dispatch.com, 10tv.com, nbc4i.com, abc6onyourside.com, qfm96.com, courttv.com, people.com, and nbcnews.com. Just a warning before we begin, this episode includes discussions of suicide. If you or someone you know is struggling with their mental health, resources are available. You can call 988 for the 988 suicide and crisis lifeline. And one thing I've learned from doing this show for as long as we have is that you never really know what's going on with someone behind closed doors. We have covered a lot of relationships that look perfect from the outside, only for cracks to reveal themselves down the line. Elicit affairs, whispers of abuse, secret insurance policies. It is easy to conceal the issues in a relationship from the outside world, but it's even easier to conceal the demons in our own hearts and minds. We've obviously seen this a lot on this show when talking about suicide that you never really know the darkness and despair someone is dealing with. You might not think that they're capable. You might think that they seem happy or that they would never leave their loved ones behind. But when someone is in that state of mind, it can be hard to see the light without critical help. And sometimes no one knows how bad it was for that person until it's too late. On a serious note, going off of that, I think the same is with social media. I think sometimes we compare our lives, our relationships, the things we have, the things we don't have, the things we want, our jobs. Try not to compare in social media because 99% of it is a front we don't actually see people's lives, people's relationships, what's going on behind the scenes. I think it's just a good reminder because as much as I love social media, I think there's a harmful side to it. So things are just important to keep in mind not to compare yourselves with others on there, including us because we're insane. Unfortunately, we can't really talk true crime without mentioning this because when we are so focused on what we believe couldn't have happened, we begin to look for alternate explanations, even if it means pointing the finger at people. So let's turn back the clock to May of 2020. Garrett and I were sitting in a basement just starting this podcast. That's true. Literally and we are going to travel to a small town outside of Columbus, Ohio called Westerville. That is where 51-year-old Emily Noble is living with her husband, 48-year-old Matthew Moore. Now, everyone who knew Emily said she was a lover, she was a lover of nature, a lover of people, someone who would go to the ends of the earth for those in her life. And she found peace in the outdoors. She loved to hike, to jog, swim. She especially loved capturing the beauty of the natural world through photography. All of this to say, Emily was a woman of many hobbies and she had a lot of energy. She worked at the Ohio Department of Medicaid as a financial analyst, but she seems like someone who really lived for the weekend and did everything to the fullest. By day, she was outdoors soaking up the sun and by night you could find Emily at one of the music venues in nearby Columbus, catching a live set. Now, Emily was wild about live music and never turned down the opportunity to get on the dance floor. She was said to be a free spirit, a bit of a hippie, but one of her absolute favorite things to do was forage. Emily loved going out into the woods near her home to look for naturally grown herbs, fruit and vegetables. Nothing brought her more joy than being able to go out and find these items and put them on the plate for dinner. She was so into it, she even kept a giant diary of all the edible plants she grew and collected. For Emily, this meant more to her than the rest of her hobbies. It was a way for her to escape a lot of the noise because there had been a lot of heartbreak and devastation at this point in her life. Back in 2011, Emily's first husband, Mark, died by suicide. A few years after that, Emily lost each of her parents suddenly in what seemed to be different accidents. I can't imagine how Emily felt or how she was able to keep going, but in 2015 was when she found someone that helped her pick up the pieces and it was Matthew more her soon to be husband. In 2015, the two were introduced through a dating website and after they met up, Sparks flew and the two quickly began calling each other boyfriend and girlfriend. Though it wasn't long before Emily learned, Matthew was dealing with his own history of family tragedies. His first born son was only a toddler when he had died from a sudden illness and while he and his wife were now divorced, their second son, a teenager, was now struggling with mental health issues. So shortly after he started dating Emily, Matthew decided to move back to his previous home of Las Vegas to be closer to his son during this difficult time in his life. Now, Emily and Matthew kept in touch throughout and that's when Matthew realized he wanted to make things more serious with Emily so he asked her to marry him. And thinking a change of scenery might do his son some good, Matthew and his son packed their bags and traveled back to Ohio to live with Emily in her condo for a bit. And Matthew said the structure was good for them for a while. Matthew and Emily got married in 2018 and then Matthew's mother passed away around that time leaving him a sizable inheritance. So Matthew decided to take some time off of work, but then in 2019, life took another unimaginable turn. While they were living with Emily, Matthew's son, the teenager, died by suicide. He was only 17 at the time. Okay. Now, this has been a lot of tragedy in these two people's lives. This was now the second person that was close to Emily to go that way. And the second son that Matthew had lost. And just one thing seemed like they couldn't get any worse, COVID hits. It was like life was delivering blow after blow to Emily and Matthew. But they got by with celebrating the little winds in life. Like Emily's 50 second birthday in May of 2020. On May 22nd, Emily spent time with the couple's good friend Celeste Roan at their condo. She and Emily walked around the neighborhood that day, went into the woods behind the homes to do Emily's favorite activity. And two days later, May 24th was Emily's actual birthday. And it also happened to be the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend. So that day, she and Matthew went to this town called Bucktold. It's about an hour and a half away. And then afterwards, they drove back to Westerville to have a picnic in the park. And on the way, they even stopped to admire the view and how beautiful the sun was shining in the sky. So Matthew did notice Emily was a little quiet that day, but it wasn't unlike her to internalize a bit. And she seemed fine by the evening, even though it was still the height of COVID, the couple decided to stop by a few of their favorite bars around the downtown Columbus area. They had been itching to get out for some time. And with bars reopening with some restrictions, they felt like this was the perfect excuse to just get out of the house for a bit. They spent the evening dancing and taking selfies, seemingly having a good night. And then they went home pretty early around 7 p.m. Matthew said that he got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom, but when he went back to sleep, he didn't want to disturb Emily. He knew she was a light sleeper and him getting in and out of bed often woke her up. So he decided to just sleep in the guest room for the rest of the night. And then he wakes up the next morning. And when he does, he notices Emily is no longer in their bedroom. Actually, he can't find her in the house at all. Even stranger, Matthew noticed that her wallet, her phone, keys, and car were all still there. So he figured, okay, maybe Emily just went out for an early morning walk, kind of like she often did. At around 2.47 p.m. when Emily still wasn't back, Matthew began to worry. He called their friend Celeste from Emily's phone, because remember, it's back at the house. And he asks her if Emily is over at her house. He told Celeste that they were planning to go to a party that afternoon, but Emily hadn't come back from her morning walk yet. And that's when Celeste told him to hang up and call the police. She was going to be right over. Now when the police arrive minutes later, their entire interaction is caught on body cam footage while talking to Matthew. And what's interesting is, is as they are speaking, a woman starts walking up the driveway. And Matthew says something like, oh, there she is. Is this her? Thinking it's his wife, Emily. But then he realizes it's actually Celeste, her friend, who had arrived there to help. The two do look a bit alike. And Matthew acknowledges that and says something to Celeste like, I thought you were her. And then he also tells police his version of events. He tells them how he got up around midnight to use the bathroom. Then he went to sleep in the guest room and couldn't fall back to sleep. So he played on his phone until about 6 a.m. when he finally got tired. He woke up around 10 a.m. and realized Emily was gone. He says he didn't go out to look for her because she did often wake up early to go into the woods behind their house, looking for stuff. It wasn't until hours passed with no sign of her that he had started to worry. He says just a few minutes before he used the finder app and realized her phone was still inside the house. And that was when he grabbed it and called Celeste and then the police. Now police do a quick search of the inside of the house. And Matthew seems totally cooperative. And they think there's no sign of a struggle or anyone having been in distress. In fact, the house is pretty spotless, however, this isn't unusual. Even Celeste admits this to police because Emily was a total neat freak. She liked everything to be spotless all of the time. So it's also no surprise that Emily's bed was made that morning too. Now at first glance, this looks either like someone willingly left the home or someone is covering something up, but it's too soon for the police to make any assumptions. And I think this is hard because think about the other, you know, body cam footage we have watched of husbands whose wives are missing or, you know, and most of the time in the true crime cases we're talking about, they have done something to their wife. So when I, you know, was researching this, it just took me like for a little pause because usually I'm immediately like, oh my gosh, okay, the police need to zero in on the husband. But when you don't actually, like it could actually be innocent, it kind of just shows you the difficult situation police are in. Yeah, it's hard because I mean, you're taught, I mean, you're supposed to speculate. You're supposed to. Obviously, I'm honing on your instincts, but yeah, I mean, you have your outliers, I guess I would say, yeah, where I was people don't do stuff. So police start going around questioning Emily and Matthew's neighbors and they find one neighbor who says he actually saw Emily in her garage that morning, just standing there as he was leaving his house, it was sometime around nine or 10 am. So right before Matthew said he got up and noticed Emily wasn't home. Now, apparently, Emily and the neighbor both waved to each other, but that was it. No one else had seen or heard from Emily since that morning. And while the police promised to open an investigation, they were already feeling like Matthew knew more than he was leading on. Not only did they think it was strange, the house was so clean, they also believed it was weird that Matthew never once left the house to go look for Emily, especially if he thought she was just out in the woods behind their home. They were like, why did he call police and not just like go out and call and look for her a little bit? I don't find that extremely weird for some reason. I think people just have different personalities. I don't that's just my opinion. I try to think what I go look for you probably, but if I found your phone in the house, I think it would be pretty freaked out. Right. Because who would leave? I'd be like, wait, I can't find my wife in her phones in the house. Yeah. I probably would, yeah, honestly, if like 30 minutes passed by, I'd probably call the police. And as we just mentioned, police are obviously being as skeptical as they can be. And so something else that kind of triggered some alarm bells for them was that when they were searching the house, just kind of looking around when they moved into the garage. Matthew went in there with them and he was moving some items around like while they were looking around, kind of just in his garage while they were there. Okay. Now, before you know it, 24 hours had passed and police were no closer to finding Emily. Search teams had obviously begun to assemble scanning the area around Emily's home for any sign of her or where she might have gone. They follow leads and tips, everything from people spotting Emily at a shelter for the unhoused to sleeping under a bridge to trips to the grocery store. They even visited the bars. The couple were last seen at where one bartender said their situation was hard to read. He said, one minute, the couple the night before she went missing had seemed lovey-dovey. And the next it seemed like there was some tension between the two. But it was nothing that stood out as alarming to her in the moment. And by day two, teams came out with bloodhounds to try and track Emily's scent around her home. And one dog finds that her smell stops about a few hundred yards away from her house at another driveway. So. Okay. Could Emily have gotten into a car and drove off with someone else, a stranger, a secret lover? I mean, at this point, anything's possible. But the main person of interest to them still seemed to be Matthew Moore. Two days after reporting his wife missing, Matthew finds himself under the spotlight of an interrogation room. and there he's told the neighbor who confessed to seeing Emily the morning she disappeared between 9 and 10 a.m. in the garage said now that they'd sat on it a couple days they actually weren't sure anymore. He was now thinking he might have seen her the day before, which is why things begin to fall back on Matthew. He does his best to be cooperative. He hands over Emily's phone so police can go through it but during this interrogation they ask Matthew some interesting questions that do make him sweat a little bit. Things like on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate your marriage? 10 being the honeymoon phase. And he said what you'd expect most people to say you know it fluctuates it goes up and down like any marriage though he does say the last six months had been pretty good about an 8 out of 10. You have to remember this is a couple who had just lost their son and step son to suicide the year before. There's not going to be a whole lot of 8 9 or 10s in there. Still the police dig through Emily's phone and they confront Matthew with one text message that they kind of find alarming. It's from the month before and it's a text that Emily had sent to a friend says quote Matthew picked a fight with me yesterday said some awful things. I'm not wearing my wedding ring. Now Matthew agrees saying yeah we obviously weren't perfect all the time. He says my wife had some anger issues. We had a lot going on. We weren't perfect. Still police continue to do their due diligence. They ask him to take off his shirt so they can see if he has any injuries. Maybe from a struggle but he doesn't. There's no bruising, no cuts, nothing alarming. Next they ask him to take a voice stress test. It's kind of like a lie detector though also not admissible in court but in their minds this will be telling and here's what happens. First they start off with simple questions. Is it the month of May? Do you know where Emily is? Then it turns into something much more aggressive and this is all on tape so you do get to see how intense the detectives begin to get with Matthew. Which is interesting because I mean I'm sure he's trying to cooperate but he didn't have to agree to this. No. But I also think a lot of people don't realize that they can be like oh sorry like I'm not. Because they think it'll make them look guilty. Yes but I'd be like I'm stressed I'm not doing this test. I also think you know big my wife just is missing like nah that's not happening right now. You would hopefully be able to trust that the police are just investigating. Yes which you know what I mean. Which I would but I think I just don't trust anyone in general. Yeah so I'd be like sorry. Pain's gone. Getting an attorney don't talk to me. Got a finder. Got a finder. Yeah. Yeah. Just my two cents but I do get I mean you want to cooperate you want to help but you want to obviously believe that people are trying to help you and figure out where your wife is. Okay so this whole thing's on tape right and I'm going to try to explain it to you but they start asking him if he killed Emily and over and over he's like no I didn't. Over and over and eventually it gets to the point where one of the detectives is screaming at him. You effing killed her. Matthew is staying calm and respectful. He leans in and says no I didn't sir and when they ask him okay what do you think happened to your wife. He says this is just a guess but he's pretty sure maybe she did something to hurt herself. Yeah. Now in the end they tell him that the results of his test indicate that he's been deceptive with them but what's weird is they're telling Matthew that his wife is dead that he killed her and if he's being honest at this point he doesn't even know if she's dead they don't have a body they don't have any evidence of foul play. Matthew still hearing about tips that people have seen her round town and whether those tips are accurate or not he thinks it's weird that detectives are like she's dead. Is this still a missing person's case like have they decided to turn it over to a homicide. Yeah. So why are the police trying to get Matthew to confess to a murder they don't even know has happened yet. It's weird to him clearly there's a lot of pressure on law enforcement to solve this case but keep in mind Emily has only been missing for two days though it seems that they've pretty much already made up their mind about what's happened. Now after this like Garrett said Matthew stops talking to the police. He he lawyers up understandably so I mean smart which is which is good because also I would assume the DA for a revered wherever there at would be like we don't have enough like also like this is crazy. This evidence is only going to look good if he's actually the one who killed yeah like this is this is wild like everyone needs to chill out a little bit and again I just like this case I don't know why but it just made me feel like it's so hard to be a cop it's hard because yes majority of the cases we do cover I want them to dig in and do that and is it usually the husband yeah yeah a lot of the cases like this it is or is it someone a friend or a significant other whatever yes a lot of the cases it is so yeah it's hard it's it's hard but also we do need to remember that it's until proven otherwise and yeah we just gotta it's a line it's a hard line it's a very hard line so he's being accused of murder which Matthew also doesn't join in on the searches with law enforcement over the next several weeks obviously according to him he doesn't want to be anywhere near the police right now so he is putting space between them now unfortunately that decision only makes him look more guilty especially to the people who knew him now meanwhile Matthew is still insisting he did nothing to Emily that this is all some giant misunderstanding so he tries to help in other ways he gives $10,000 to crime stoppers for reward money Matthew then goes on a podcast called the vanished at the end of August early September to give his side of the story but even the hosting producers do seem to think Matthew sounds a bit guilty during his interview and they do actually tell police that however on September 16th 2020 there is a massive break in the case one that should change everything so at this point it has been five months since Emily Noble was last seen by this point the official searches for Emily have died down pretty much nothing but her sisters Lisa and Sherry haven't given up that September afternoon they're back out in the woods near Emily's home with another friend named Sue Sexton they had picked this particular spot because over the summer they had found a ceramic Christmas ornament randomly that was out in the brush around here it kind of looked like a small angel and it just they didn't know if it was a sign physical spiritual or even just evidence that Emily had been to this area at some point now during this day at one point the women split up and Lisa heads to this very thick patch of brush that no one would really go into it's very overgrown still Lisa is pushing through it and eventually she comes to this small clearing in the trees and she sees this tiny human she thinks it's a little girl at first sitting on her knees facing away from her in fact she's so startled that she says hi to the child that's in the clearing with her but then it doesn't take long for her brain to process this probably isn't a child why am I even out here she takes a few steps closer and that's when she sees it is a cloth figure sitting upright with long dark hair and she's just sitting still okay so in that moment she realizes that she is looking at basically skeletal remains of her sister Emily Noble which is why she thought it was a child that's sad Lisa starts screaming for Sherry and Sue who rush over and confirm what she's seeing and this is so heartbreaking to me oh yes it was family members and friends who were still out searching months later and came across the body I guess the only silver lining is why were they out there in the first place you found a body yes yeah so they race out of the woods they call 911 the police arrived just before sunset and some of them must have been a bit baffled by this discovery simply because this area had allegedly been searched a couple times with dogs but pretty easy to miss stuff especially in like a forest or woods area and I think apparently they just figured that they had stopped short of where Emily's body was finally discovered 'cause it was through that thick brush. Now perhaps the most shocking discovery, though, was the position in which they found Emily's body because her mummified remains are still in annealing position. She has a USB cord wrapped around her neck. - Oh man. - Which is tied to a tree behind her. - Okay. - Her right hand is clutching her right ankle and her left hand is on a black water bottle that is sitting next to her leg. A water bottle that when later tested is found to have alcohol inside. So at first glance, when you stumble across this body, it does appear as though Emily Noble might have died by suicide after all. Now, Matthew hears the news later that night that Emily's body has been found. And for him, this is now a third major loss that he's had in his life, at least. His first son dies to an illness, his second son to suicide, and now it seems like his second wife has also allegedly died by suicide. - That's horrible. Absolutely heartbreaking. - And while this means of death comes as a shock to a lot of Emily's friends and family, Matthew isn't totally blindsided by it. He had told police, we've had a really rough year. Emily was fighting depression, especially after the teenage son took his own life. He told police that she would say things out loud that suggested suicidal ideation and behavior. And now it would appear that Matthew's been honest all along. He did nothing to his wife. She unfortunately died by suicide like he had believed. And as heartbreaking as it is, he tries to move forward with his own life. He even has a remembrance party for Emily when the anniversary of her disappearance in 53rd birthday come around. But the police don't close the case on Emily after finding her body. It's quite the opposite actually. And mainly because there are a lot of people who tell the police there was no way Emily would have taken her own life. She was going to therapy. - Which is so hard, I think it's changed. I think it definitely used to be a thing like, no way I know that person, they were always happy. There's no way they would do something like that. And I think we've really come to realize we don't, you just don't know what is going on in someone's head. You don't, I don't care who you are. You have no idea what someone else is going through. - I agree with you. That being said, I also believe family members have a right to breathe. And I think you should follow every avenue. And I also think it's extremely hard to wrap your mind around something like that. When you are thoroughly convinced, like, no, there's no way. - Or, that's hard. - Your family member hadn't personally gone to you. And like basically said, hey, this is how I'm feeling. But Matthew's saying no, she had said those things to me. - But I do think it's good that we've, I feel like as a society, we've come to a point where we're like, okay, you know what? We actually don't know what's happening. - Going on in someone's head. - Yeah. - I also do think just as further evidence of suicide besides the positioning of the body and Matthew saying she had disclosed to him. Birthdays are very common, a very common part time. And then also therapists do suggest that suicide can be contagious in a way. So if it happens a lot around you, there can be some struggling with that as well. Some point out even that her sister's birthday was just the day after hers. So they believe there was no way she would have died by suicide without celebrating her sister's birthday first. It seems like a lot of people who knew Emily were finding evidence to support these theories. For example, Emily's friends and family began coming forward to say, Emily would get really upset with Matthew because he was drinking during the day. Some told police that he seemed to be overly controlling of Emily, that Emily hadn't been her normal self ever since she had met Matthew. One friend even claimed to see bruises on Emily in the weeks and months before she died. So police also tracked down Matthew's ex-wife, a woman named Lisa to see what she has to say about him. And she doesn't exactly help Matthew's situation either. They found that back on New Year's Day 2001, just a few months after they got married, Las Vegas police had responded to a domestic violence incident at their home. Lisa said during that incident, Matthew put his hands around her neck and started choking her. Now Lisa did tell police it was a one-off. It never happened before or after that. And the case was dismissed in court. - That's really interesting though. That kind of changes things a bit. - But police can't help but wonder. Did the same thing happen to Emily? Well, if you asked the experts who helped with Emily's autopsy, they actually say it looks like it. That Emily was most likely killed by someone and her death was staged to look like a suicide. - No way. Am I wrong? - I just, I want to show you like how hard it is. - Yeah. - It's hard when this is the question and it does come up often in true crime. - Yeah, I mean, it's hard, but at the end of the day, if there's no evidence, you can't convict somebody. - Right. - Let me tell you about the autopsy. - Okay. - The autopsy was really hard to get an accurate read on. Okay, considering how decomposed Emily's body was at the time. - And sorry to interrupt. I will say, I feel like I've seen this a lot. Someone doesn't autopsy and they haven't, they think they found XXX and X. Then someone else doesn't autopsy and they're like, well, no, actually I found XXX and X. And then no, I found XXX and X. And it's like, okay. - Also often time in cases like this. - Yes, like how can we have five different people do the same thing and all disagree? And you know, that's also when things get complicated where it's like, what are we supposed to do? - It's always shocking to me when manner of death is like changed multiple times. - Correct, that was based on who did the autopsy. - When that happens to me, that's when I start to get a little, I don't know. - Weary. - Speculate a little bit and weary and go, okay, what's going on guys? What are we doing here? - So her body is badly decomposed. There's no way for pathologists to see if there was visible bruising, cuts, defense wounds, anything to indicate that there was a fight. Though there were a couple of details they did find suspicious. Emily's autopsy revealed she had multiple neck and facial fractures. So they call in an expert named Dr. William Smock to take a look and after doing his analysis, he comes to two conclusions about Emily's death. First, there was no way she got these specific injuries from a USB cord, which is what was wrapped around her neck. He says these injuries look a lot more like a manual strangulation. Now, I won't get to into the weeds about why we've talked about the hyoid bone in the neck in previous cases, but it's the small horse shoe-shaped bone located in the middle of your neck. Essentially, Smock says because there are bilateral fractures to this bone, as well as the thyroid cartilage, he doesn't think it was caused by a hanging. Mainly because he's never seen injuries like this before from a death by hanging. But, sorry, not that I'm disagreeing. I'm just curious how many views the USB cords? - And is hanging different than from the position her body was found? - And I'm not trying to sway one way or the other. I'm just generally curious asking questions. - I think everyone in the case is curious. I think that's why there's so many different opinions because it's confusing. - Yes. - Also, he says he has seen these injuries many times when someone is strangled by another person. So he's like, I've never seen these injuries with a hanging, but I've seen them many times with manual strangulation. It's basically putting pressure on both sides of the neck and then there are the facial fractures. - This is confusing, okay. - Smock reported seeing trauma in the nasal cavity. He believed this was caused by a significant encotations blunt force injury around the time of her death. - Wow. - Which wouldn't have, it's hard to imagine what would have caused that alone. So in his eyes, this expert's eyes, he says, this is not a suicide. He believes this is a homicide. - Oh my gosh, it just changes everything. - So he's now validating the police's theories that this is a homicide. Although they are very zeroed in on Matthew. - It is hard. 'Cause we're just getting, you know, this, these bits and pieces of information up. In order for me to form an actual conclusion, I would have to talk to the husband. I'd have to see their demeanor. I'd have to see how they act, see what they're like. - You'd wanna be on a jury. - Yeah, it would be too hard just to form it just from this, obviously. Even the jury, they're like, you're only getting the time in court. Like, no, no, no, no. I need to spend a month with you. understand who you are, what you're like, how you speak, just how you think. It's hard, hard. I also will say when members of the victim's family are supporting that this is a homicide and backing that it was potentially the husband, it is hard not to expect that and like believe that. So by June of 2021, they finally have enough evidence to get an arrest warrant. On a Thursday morning, June 17th, 2021, police show up at Emily's condo where Matthew is still living. They place him in handcuffs and as he's put in the back of a police cruiser, he tells police over and over you are making a huge mistake and he might be right because there are some problems with this case or starters. They turned to that condo over when Emily first disappeared. They did not find a single shred of evidence that Matthew had done anything to harm Emily inside the condo or anyone else had done anything to harm Emily inside the condo. They don't have a single eyewitness saying he harmed her. They don't have any surveillance showing him going into those woods or transporting her body somewhere and they checked his and Emily's cars too. They don't even have a motive. They don't have a confession. Matthew has been insisting he's innocent from day one. Really the only thing they have are people in Emily's life saying she would never take her own life. A previous record for domestic assault but not a record with Emily and expert smocks assessment of the autopsy. This is the evidence they are moving forward with and yet a grand jury indicted Matt of murder and assault. Now a year later, it is August of 2022. Matthew Moore's trial begins. The prosecution argues that Matthew followed Emily out that morning when she went into the forest and he trailed her to the woods, attacked her there before staging her body to look like a suicide. This is their theory. They say this is why Emily didn't leave a suicide note or say goodbye to any of her loved ones because she wasn't planning on dying that day. They call on witnesses like Matthew and Emily's friend Celeste, the one Matthew called to come to the house when Emily disappeared and she says that in the days before her death, Emily didn't seem depressed. She seemed in really good spirits. Another friend, Suzanne Kavanaugh testified about seeing bruises on Emily's arms before she died and that when she would ask about them, Emily didn't want to share. In fact, she would become a little defensive. And then of course comes the star witness Dr. William Smock who says Emily could not have received these injuries from a USB cord alone that she was quote strangled manually and then placed in the tree. He also said quote, if there was anything even close in the medical literature, it has never been reported. No woman of her size, her stature has ever had those sorts of fracture patterns from leaning forward into a ligature. He said on the stand, it just doesn't happen. But the defense also makes a good point that these fractures could have easily come from a suicide. Experts take the stand for the defense and claim this is my problem and I this happens a lot in honestly happens a lot in science. And this happens a lot with things such as this and I contradicting experts. Yes, experts contradict each other. Yeah. And that's gets so so utterly confusing. I like how you how do you have the defense experts say one thing than the prosecution expert says another another thing. How does the jury even go? Okay, so which one of you is an expert? You're both experts saying because I'm sure you're going to say the opposite. I'll let you go first and we can revisit it. So these experts for the defense say fractures are a lot more common in women over 40. You're like she could have gotten it from something like a USB cord. They also call on a woman named Heather Garvin. She's a board certified anthropologist who claims bones in the neck like the thyroid bone are actually extremely fragile. She also has something to say about Smox assessment of Emily's facial trauma. So they ask her question. Questions about the other expert. Remember Smox said she so she showed signs of significant blunt force trauma to her face around the time of her death. And this couldn't have happened just by herself. Yes. Heather Gavin says it didn't take her very long to determine that this just simply wasn't true. The trauma looked a lot more like someone who had healed from a broken nose, which Emily did break her nose and heal from. And on top of that, the defense points out how investigators handled the crime scene, leaving bones and teeth apparently there the first time they gathered evidence and then coming back and getting it later, how they were not able to find Emily's body with the dogs. The defense even chips away at the prosecution's witnesses pointing out that Suzanne Kavanaugh who said she'd seen Emily with bruises on her arms couldn't be telling the truth because she hadn't seen Emily since 2019 the year before she died. Bro, okay. Even the motive, the prosecution put forth didn't make sense to the defense. The prosecution said Matthew was after Emily's money, the condo, everything. But then they're like, Hey, Jerry, Matthew inherited a couple hundred thousand dollars when his mother died. And he had deposited that money into his joint savings with Emily, which went from 96,000 to nearly half a million. So after closing arguments, it is time for the jury to deliberate. It's August 26th, 2022. It takes them only three hours. The jury comes back and they say they believe Matthew Moore was not guilty, not guilty on all charges. 51-year-old Matthew was acquitted of murder. Before he left the courtroom that day, the judge said this quote, "You are free to go, Mr. Moore. I think from day one, everyone has wanted justice for your wife, Emily. I've heard that phrase a lot. I think everyone truly desires that. But I think the jury has also said that justice for Emily is not injustice for you." And they reaffirmed that. Matthew said that since he's been acquitted, he has finally gotten a chance to grieve his wife's death. Now that he's no longer in a state of fight or flight about it. And if there's one person who understands that suicide can be unpredictable, it's Matthew Moore. Not only did he lose his son to suicide, but now his wife. And Emily had lost her stepson and her previous husband to suicide. Mental health struggles were personal to these people. It's very obvious that many people in this story were fighting an uphill battle daily. And if there's one thing to learn about this case, it is that sometimes there are signs that we don't want to see. And sometimes there are absolutely no signs at all. As Matthew's defense attorney, Diane Manashi put it, quote, "That's the thing about mental health. You don't see it coming." And again, if you or someone you know is struggling with their mental health, resources are available. And that is the case of Emily Noble. That's crazy, confusing. I think the right decision was probably made. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if her family injured that. So I'm truly sorry if they don't. I'm truly sorry in general because no one should have to go through this. It's really hard too, because also, I mean, what if Matthew didn't have the ability to hire a good attorney? Matthew, he'd be in prison. Well, they wouldn't have gotten the experts they got, they wouldn't have gone through all this stuff. It's really the justice system in general. It's hard. It's complicated. It's not black and white. It's so much to it. And it's thing. What a crazy case. I just let it stumbling across this case. It felt so important to talk about seeming that we do talk about true crime every single week because how much over the years that we have done this show, have we realized that mental health is so entangled with true crime? So entangled. And there are so many cases where different people involved in the case believe different things about mental health and suicide is talked about so often in missing persons cases. And so I just felt like it was a good case to highlight and also just show that there are many victims here, many, many victims, whether it's suicide or not. So my thoughts go out to everyone involved in this case because it is unfair and no one should ever have to deal with what has happened. And my thoughts also go out to Emily who shouldn't have had to go through what she went through either. And that is our episode for this week. Please keep them in your thoughts. and we will see you next time with another one. I love it. I hate it. Goodbye.