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I'll bet it has. Yeah. I'll bet it has. Been up and down. But through everything. I'm still, I'm still grateful. You seem good. Yeah. Amazing time being here. Even before I got here, been active, doing things, staying outside. Keep it yourself busy. Oh, yeah. You have to. You have to. I mean, when I've not been busy, it's when my mind gets busy. Oh, I do. I do. Let me give you an introduction here. Are you ready? Sam Rhinoberg, prior enlisted US Army soldier, 88 kilo watercraft operator from Fort Eustus, Virginia, served aboard the logistics support vessel LSV five first leading seamen of the maneuver support vessel light MSVL earned a division commanders green to gold scholarship in 2023 leadership science major at Old Dominion University senior in the Army Reserve officers training core ROTC program commissioning as an active duty second lieutenant. This may you're here to talk about what happened on March 12th. You received a meritorious service model for your actions at Old Dominion University on March 12th, which is being upgraded. Correct. Correct. Soldiers metal. Do a soldier's metal. Congratulations. Thank you. Do you mind if I read your citation? Not at all. Cadet Samuel D. Rhinoberg for exceptionally heroic actions while serving as a cadet at the Old Dominion University while responding to an active shooter incident in life threatening emergency on 12 March 2026. In the face of extraordinary danger and with total disregard to his own personal safety, cadet Rhinoberg displayed incredible courage under extreme circumstances. His selfless service and personal courage are in keeping with the finest traditions of military service and reflect great credit on him in the United States Army this day, this 21st day of March 2026. Yeah. That was at the funeral. That was at the funeral they gave that to you. Yeah. They had a small ceremony prior to the beginning of the funeral that day. The Sergeant Major of the Army and the Secretary of the Army put that on me. How did that feel? It's indifferent. It's great to have them there to be present like having those leaders present. But in the moment, standing there in front of a bunch of people, I know and don't know. That's on my right. Was the family of Colonel Shaw. That I had never had a feeling like that because I'm getting a medal put on me. But the end result that I really take some really responsive, a lot of responsibility for Colonel Shaw didn't make it. You take responsibility for that? No, but like just how it happened, it was like I was working on him. I don't know how to, if it's survivor skill, but yeah, you were working on him, trying to revive him. Not revive him. I keep him alive. Stop the bleeding. Yeah, get him out of there. So the family is just seeing the family. And then after the Sergeant Major of the Army and Secretary of the Army and like said their words about that day, the family came up to me. The cousins, the aunts, the uncles, and I'm standing there in my dress uniform and they're saying thank you to me. They're thanking me. And I am only able to respond with I'm so sorry because that's just how I, you know, it's just I can't even imagine because I'm having a hard time. I can't imagine them, you know, giving me hugs, telling me thank you. And it wasn't just me. It was the other five of us, six of us that were up there. Then going through the same thing with the team, there was eight of you and total correct. It will, there was one that was shot that had ran on foot after she was shot in the leg. So like that minus that that one leaves seven or six, six, like we got awarded. The one guy who got awarded, he actually had his awards, his purple heart and his medmeritory service metal given to him at his in his hospital room by the Secretary of the Army and the Sergeant Major of the Army. Are you close with the other guys? Oh yeah, especially now. I'll bet. Especially now. Uh, yeah.
team. How are they doing? I think they're good. Um, for the most part, um, I'm sure it's pretty similar to my experience. Uh, it comes and goes in terms of like thinking about it, not thinking about it. Um, but I've seen all of them. Um, yeah, they're in good spirits. Good. Good. All of them. That's great to hear. Yeah, even, even the one that was hitting the stomach. Is he out of the hospital? Out of the hospital. Um, yeah, out of the hospital. Completed the surgeries. He's good. I know he was gonna come today, but he can't fly. Yeah, he was gonna come. I really wish he could have came. Well, I, uh, I mean, I don't know if you've got that to you guys, but you have an open invite. So, yeah, he is able to fly. He, I'm sure we will fly you up here and do whatever the fuck you want at the studio. So that was, that was what he, that was that is what he wanted to do. He just wanted to hang out with you, shoot, shoot the shit, do whatever, you know, just the experience. Uh, when I told him I was like, Hey, there's this opportunity. Like, you want to go? He was in his hospital bed when I told him and he was like, like, it was like night and day, the energy change. Yeah. That's cool, man. Yeah. Well, when he's up to speed, up to par, we'll get you guys back up here. Yeah. I don't even, I haven't even asked him about recovery yet. I just am happy to see him. Right on, right on, man. Well, look, before we get too heavy here and it's already pretty heavy, got your gift, you know, everybody gets a gift. Yeah. So sweet. Vigilance leap gummy bears made in the USA legal in all 50 states, but I actually got you a better gift. What? So, you know, I mean, oh my, you told me about your everyday carrier earlier. I do. I do. It isn't. It's a Palmetto State Armory, uh, dagger compact with its green sniper green. Nice. It's a pretty big everyday. Isn't it? It's a pretty big everyday carry. Not going to lie. It's pretty, it's pretty fat. Um, but it works. Hey, the works. That's all the matters, right? It works ish. Well, I want to give you a little upgrade. So, you know, I got a buddy over at SIG. His name is Jason and I told him you were coming on today and oh my God. I don't think any guest I've ever had deserves a everyday carry gun as much as you. Oh, gosh. Thank you. Let me know what you think. Hey, look at it. Oh, God. I'm. It means a lot. Hey, I want to take a look at it first. It might be a downgrade. Yeah. I'm trying to holy crap. Yeah. The flared mag well to hold it up. What do you think? The flared mag well. Oh my God. With the all metal. That's a 365 Legion by six hour. It's got their brand new optics up top. It's got the ported slide theirs to help with muzzle flip and recoil. It's got the flared out mag well. Like you had already said, it's all metal. No polymer. Thing is a fucking beast. I'm just glad the barrels not threaded for change in the loss. Oh, yeah. I forgot. They're changing. They're changing them. Oh, my guns are threaded besides my shotgun and my bolts action. Well, there you go. And totally legal in Virginia. Yes. I thank God. I also got you a gift. Oh, I love this is from the maneuver support vessel light, the newest class of Army vessel first to be developed in 30 years. No shit. It's what I got. This is cool. You know, it's crazy. The Army has more boats than the Navy. Did you know that? Yes. And the Navy has more planes than the Air Force. Yes. But the Navy's got us beat by tonnage. Well, yeah, yeah, they got some fat, some fat, but yeah, that's from the crew over there in Hawaii right now. Is this your old? This is, yeah, I brought this off in your intro. Yep. This is it. That's it. That was that was my last assignment before I went to school back to school. Oh, man. Oh, we're probably. Yeah. They would the crew knows some it was given it to you and they're like no freaking way. Perfect. Yeah. Well, we're for the interview. So we got here. That's holy smokes. All right, man. You ready to dive into this? I'm ready. Yeah. Cool. Well, let's start with, so you were in the Army and then at some point, you decided to go officer, which is a huge fucking mistake, but we could talk about that later. Yeah. It's been a wild ride. I see that. Um, but yeah, I was in the Army. I enlisted out of high school, uh, 18 year old, or did an early enlistment, 17 year old, but it didn't ship off to as 18 graduate high school, enlisted as a watercraft operator, like you said. And, um, yeah, my dad was in the Army, um, still in the Army. Um, I've had uncle and army. It seems like a good idea at the time. And, uh, the watercraft operator, I mean, 88 kilo, um, sun army boats, LSV five, uh, what are you guys doing on that boat? What's the boat for? It's a flat bottom, uh, 274 foot long flat bottom, 78, 278 feet long. They do a logistical support. Um, okay, they'll put a Abrams, a whole Abrams company on there. They'll put tons of con X's or wheeled vehicles. You name it. They'll put it on there and they're able to go. I mean, into unimproved ports, uh, they have a big ramp on the front, lowers down. You can drive right in, right off and on, um, really low, uh, shallow draft. So they can drive right up onto a beach, if they have to, uh, and just offload whatever kind of assets that's on, on board, right on, um, awesome gig. Like the best, like it is, it is, it was a really hard going officer over warn officer because it's the warn officers that are in charge over there on those boats. What is, so where would the boat transit from? Uh, there's some of these in the straight of our moves or, um, yeah, um, to my now or for use this Virginia, that's one. Is it salt? You go in the ocean. They are ocean. The LSVs are ocean going same as the same with the LCUs, but just like a smaller version of the LSV. Would you cross the Atlantic with it? Um, they do cross the Atlantic. Oh, shit. They are ocean, they, they, uh, they cross all the time. So this is like a container ship in a way, a container ship in a, that's a lot more maneuverable and can offload in, yes, yes, yes. Um, they, yeah, they, uh, very versatile, very versatile, uh, also in Hawaii in Japan. And prior to, I guess a month or two ago, uh, no, no activity in the Middle East, they had all come back to, they had all got, uh, re-homed to different ports, stateside. Um, but they were, uh, I think they left in 2020 on a quate. Hmm. So, um, and then they came back stateside. So what are you going to do as an officer? Bill, logistics officer. I got branched, uh, logistics. So you already know before you graduate. I know. I know where I'm going afterwards. Are you serious? Yeah, I know what, I know my next duty station. Oh, holy shit. I know, I know my next duty station is the exact unit, everything. You want to say where that is or is that? Yeah, I'm going to scoffo barracks Hawaii, 25th infantry. Get the fuck out. You're going to Hawaii. Nice. I'm really excited. Nice. That's been a saving. I found out the day after the, uh, attack, actually, the day after the attack, the day after the attack, which was the first day of spring break. I found out that I was getting Hawaii holy shit. That was. Yeah. It's, it's like, you can't, you, you can't, you can't make it up. That's pretty fucking wild, man. Yeah. I found out I was going to Hawaii. I found out that I was going to be in the 25th. Um, how the hell do you even take? I mean, what? That you kill a terrorist, you guys kill a terrorist as a team. Yep. And then the next day, the army's calling you and telling you what the next duty station is. I got an email. Hey, you've got orders in your, in your army account. Look at it. Look at him. So I was like, gosh. Okay.
Okay, let me, let me look at them. It's like, I can't, I was like, what is it? What could it be that's in there? It's like, hey, here's your, here's your report date. You're going here after your school. - Wow. So, I mean, it's why I'm so excited. It was like a, it was hard to celebrate it, but as time has gone on, that's two and a half, three weeks since everything, it's more and more like at the forefront of my mind. Like, hey, I've got, I've got great things to look forward to. I'm stuck out, you know, I'm still getting blessed. - Good for you, man. - So, I'm very excited. - Good for you. - Spring is here. The days are getting longer. The weather is getting better. It's important you have the energy to do what you love without crashing. And I'll be honest, with everything I've got going on, if my energy's off, I feel it pretty quick. Ever feel like you just don't have the energy you used to? Brain fog, slower recovery. Just feeling worn down. One reason is that as we age, NAD levels can decline fast. And NAD is critical for how your cells create energy. That's why I've been taking Row Nutrition's liposomal NAD+. And the difference is real. Clean, sustained energy, sharper focus, and better recovery, without relying on caffeine or stimulants. NAD supports mitochondrial function, the powerhouse of your cells that keep you energized and your mind sharp. Until recently, replenishing NAD men expensive clinic visits, but Row offers a simple ad-home option, just one teaspoon a day. Right now, you can try at risk for you with a 60-day money-back guarantee. And 20% off with code
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We had been dressing in civilian clothes for a few weeks, dude, like the, like the force protection. No shit, yeah, yeah. Why, what was, 'cause of that, ran conflict? I don't know, probably. Force protection condition for that had been raised. They just didn't want any ROTC personnel in uniform or? That was, that was like, yeah. I think it was within the local bases as well. Interesting. So probably was 'cause they ran conflict. Maybe. I just know that I was told to wear civilian clothes. So I was that day in class. I was meant to my two partners and I. We had a combat command briefs that day. Each group got assigned a brief, or a combat and command a brief on in class. And we had done the first half that Tuesday. Fast forward to Thursday, we're doing mine. Class goes as normal. I had arrived an hour early to prepare. What class is this? This is the military science class, the senior military science class for the RMROTC. The Colonel Shaw's teaching. Yes, he is the only teacher. He teaches the military science class for the seniors. 'Cause he's the senior guy, senior officer. And yeah, I got there an hour early, went over my presentation with my group, two partners. And everybody else in the class kind of starts filling in, coming in, we class started around 920 that day. It was a little early, but not out of the ordinary. And we're all in the classroom. And the way the classroom is set up, it's almost like, I was telling your team this, like this room, in the way the dimensions, where we're all facing this way. In mind, they're facing this direction. And Colonel Shaw is standing, he likes to stand behind your chair, right in front of your chest right there, next to your kind of near engine, where his desk would be. And the entrance to the class would be where that door was. And the desks are long without gaps in between. And there's a walkway on the right, right here. And for some reason that day, I chose to sit near the back of the class. I usually like to sit in the front, sat at the back, sat with my one of my partners, would be right there for, you know, visual purposes. And we had gotten through our brief, the rest of the teams had gotten through their briefs. And we're getting into the part of the class where Colonel Shaw is giving his critique, critiques in his, you know, what he thought was good and is bad. And he like, you know, he complimented me that day, actually. He was like, you know, Rhinoburg, one of the most knowledgeable guys. I did my brief on a transportation command, be able to just stop sir coming from that as an enlisted guy, I thought why not. But you didn't have enough knowledge to not stand in front of your, in front of your battle when she was presenting for your group. It's like being, I was standing kind of awkwardly in between the desk and the projector screen, covering up this girl. She's like, probably like, I don't know, 4, 4, 10, 4 foot 11. So I was like, ah, he always had like a good like, quick humor with the way he did things. He had good humor with it. He's doing the critiques for the rest of the class. And he's about to let us go for the day. He's like, hey, you know, I might not see you guys after spring break. I didn't know why. And yeah, so, and then, you know, I was like, basically about to be done. And Sky walks in the room. Now, what's weird about this is the door locks. Door usually locked from the outside. You have to be let in from the inside. And I don't remember that it's very specifically, but one student had gotten a little bit later to class that day, maybe 925. And I'm pretty sure that student had to be let in by a Colonel Shaw. And then the class went through that near to the end. And this guy walks in, didn't have to be.
you let in. It's weird, just a weird detail. I told that I gave that in my statement later on. So yeah, I'm like the last student just left the door halfway open. No, it was closed. It was closed. The door was closed. The door was closed. Now, maybe it was like this much. I was towards the back. I couldn't see. But yeah. So the guy, Tarris, walks in the room. And Muhammad Jello, that's his name, right? Was that what he said his last name? I don't know. I've never even seen the guy before. You'd never seen him? Never. Did anybody in the classroom ever seen him? There were some that thought they had. And some of some other cadets in the junior class had thought they had that they thought they had seen him while during the PT hours early in the morning, during like a rock march around campus, being like, you go, sir, you go, man, sarcastic. What was he wearing? Dark hoodie, pants. He had these gloves on like wool gloves. He had a beard. Go longer beard. What did he say? Well, he walked in a room and he was like kind of like nervous. He's like, is this ROTC or a seminar? And we're all like, huh? Nobody said anything. He said it again. Like, is this ROTC or a seminar? I don't know who it was. But somebody in the front was like, yeah, it was ROTC. And he, as soon as that person said, yeah, he drew his gun, yelled a lot hog bar and started shooting my professor. And I like, I hit the floor. We're not the floor, but like under like right kind of ducked under the table like, oh, shit. I ended up apparently like stepping on the girl next to me. She told me that later, like maybe like a few to actually told me that a few days ago. And I'm back up and the way, I'm not thinking about any of this. This is the weird part. I mean, did you even realize he was shooting? I've been shot at a lot, but shot at a point blank distance. And it always takes, at least for me, it usually takes a couple of seconds to realize, holy shit. This is okay. I'm getting fucking shot at. It was like a second or two, maybe tops. And, and then everybody's on the ground screaming. And I'm like on my feet running now, I have to clear the, the row of the people that are on the ground, like trampling them. Shaw, Colonel Shaw, he had like, was able to kind of like take step forward, some steps forward and kind of grab and pull them in, bear hug them. Is the shooter. So he, he, while being shot at took steps forward and like bear, like bear hugged the shooter while being shot at. Yeah. And I had gotten up and was moving right and hook in the left to make it to the front of the class. And I see another cadet already on top of the shooter with a knife. And I had yelled get them on the way there to the front. Really, like literally the distance is the same in this room. It's the classroom. And he, there was one cadet on top already with Shaw, Colonel Shaw. And me and another cadet had arrived at the same time, but he was a row ahead of me, maybe two rows of row ahead. And, and it, it gets kind of, you know, it kind of slows down on my brain thinking about it. But there was like four of us, total that handled this guy. We're immediately trying to like go for the gun, right? He's like trying to shoot me. He's trying to shoot a friend next to me on my left. He's just trying to keep shooting. And we had our hands on the, as soon as we had our hands on the top of the slide of this clock. And as soon as we had the, we're like pinned, we got him pinned in the wall in the front of the class. And as soon as we had the gun pointed away from our classmates, I had turned around, like I'm on my knees, I'm turning around, we're holding the gun. Like rest is still resting with the guy. I turned around and, you know, still screaming and stuff. All that shit's going on. And I turn around, it's like, so everyone get the hell out of here. Everybody run and somebody call 911. Somebody call 911, everyone get the hell out. And, um, my classmates, they remember my face being like the last face they saw apparently running out of the classroom. And it really, you know, freaked them out because they were like, I don't even remember them running, to be honest, because I was, it's just so much going on so fast. Um, that maybe after a minute of wrestling with the dude and taking care of taking care of this guy, the group of us. Um, you finally like, let go. Um, he'd been stabbed. He'd been beat. I mean, took an eye out. You took an eye out? I did. How'd you do it? I think. And then one of the other cadet had taken the gun. And at this point, after that, after the gun has been, the guy's done, the guns handled. I go, my attention is just all on a Colonel Shaw. I could care less about terrorists, to be honest. Um, but going into the aid now with him, um, he had tried to stand up like pretty, pretty quickly. He tried to stand up. And his, uh, he kind of leaned back into the wall, kind of braced his back into the wall. And then eyes rolled lights out, fell on the ground. And I like grabbed him by a shirt on the way down with fell kind of with them to stop him in a way. And at that point, I'm going, it's like, it's, it's, it's still no thinking, but it's now it's like, and now it's like, uh, now it's like real, like really, really, really real. And, you know, this training, I don't know if it's training or, it probably is because I took the shirt up, miss shirt up, and I took his pants down. And, and I look and I'm searching for blood or wounds and I exit loans. Yeah. Then the blood. And, um, he's, he's hitting the leg, upper, upper leg, like high up in the leg for moral. Yeah, I would say so. And, uh, just based off, uh, just how much blood there was and.
It was like a Glock 22 caliber. Yeah, so I had all places, right? It's like one of the least, like the worst place, yeah. And he's lights out on me, but he's open his mouth and I pulled the tongue, made sure he's breathing, and then one of my battles gave me his belt. That belt didn't work. It was had a weird, like kind of cinch meck, it wasn't working. You're going to use it as a tourniquet? Yeah, we're going into treating, we're trying to stop his blood. It's a lot. And it's like me, it's other guy, other cadet, we're pulling another belt off of him. These belts, this leather belt, strong, going up, cinching it down. And at this point, I'm like, I'm having trouble working on them because of being into the pin against the wall and hits on his right leg and he's his right legs kind of as closest to the wall. So I'm like, somebody get out in the hallway and secure the hallway because there's more really wide hallway, like there's more room to move, move him and work on him. And yeah, so we picked them up, it's like me and this other guy picked them up, put them in the hallway and he like came back for like a minute, maybe and he's trying to fight me to get up, like stand up and I'm like, Brandon, no, man, you can't get up, like ambulance is coming, like you're going to be all right, we're going to get you out of here, man, but you cannot get up. And he didn't really say anything at all. Who is this? Brandon, it was Chrono, Chrono Shaw, Brandon, and Brandon Shaw. And because I'm like, you know, I know his first name and I'm like, I'm trying to use his first name. So we're waiting on the cops to come, maybe a couple more minutes had passed, I'm not sure, but I'm like, is he coherent? He couldn't tell. Yeah, sort of maybe his eyes were wide open, wide open, yeah, like he had gone lights out, like unconscious and then come came back after we've moved him the hallway and really since that turn it can on the first belt. And then the first two officers arrive and it's one guy and it's one female, one girl. And she's, she's got a, I see it on her immediately. She's just like, just turn a kit. It's like right on her front or the rig. She kind of just stops, like she's like, oh my God. And I'm like, over top of Chrono Shaw, like this close, like right here, like, and I look up and I see her and I'm like, give me your turn a kit, me and my, my buddy who was right next to me, who's like, still like looking after him. We put it on above even higher up at this point, like just right, right there. So as you can get it as high as you can get it, so what you're supposed to do, instant down. And the male, male officer came back and Chrono Shaw went lights out again. And I was like, we need to get on the hell out of here. So me, two other cadets and the male officer. We carried them down two flights of steps out onto the, the front of the building. This is a regular building. This isn't the ROTC building, regular business type classes held in there. Right across the street from the football stadium and parking garage and we sit him down and redo and turn a kid again, make it even tighter and he comes back again. And that's this time he's talking, talking, wow. He's like talking, he's like, he's asking, he's like, I need my inhaler. Like choked up in his throat, he's like, he needs his inhaler. And I'm on top of him and he says that to me and I start screaming at everybody. There's students out at this point with the phones out recording. There's water running past, guns blazing and I'm just screaming for this inhaler. And one cadet had ran and tried to go run fine one and then there's like other cadet and other cadet is like going in and of the building, making sure that like because we had another one, other one that was hit up and still in the room. And then the police finally, they like, they're with me now with Colonel Shaw and I was like, Brandon, we're going to get you out of him and they're right here. The ambulance is right here. We got you, bro. We're going to get you out. It's going to be okay and he just was looking at me, eyes wide. He's awake. He's conscious. And I told the police, I was like, hey, he's lost a lot of blood, I'm covered in it. My shoes, from my shoes up to my chest and my hands to my elbows, so I'm both soaked and blood. Yeah. And the police took him and then I was like kind of like, okay, now what do I do? Like I got to get safe. My phone's gone. I don't know if it was during the fight or when I was treating him initially in the classroom but my phone came out of my pocket somehow and had landed next to the shooter terrorist. They thought it was his phone, the FBI thought it was his phone and they were going to seize my phone thinking it was his phone later on. But yeah, got off the spot and I found some cadets that were like, just dazed, you know. It's like, hey, we're going to go into the neighborhood and try to hide out for a little bit. And then they kind of followed me. And then I was like, you know what, actually come back, let's go into the parking garage where we're not in the open, which was across the street from the building where all this took place. But I just thought in my mind, it was the best option to take. You just want to breather? Not even. Just like get safe. You know, I was, I don't know, it was like autopilot. On the way back to the parking garage, this guy comes up to me. This guy comes up to me and like I said, I'm covered in blood and like, there's blood dripping off my fingers. And this guy comes up to me, he's like, hey, I need you to answer some questions. Like what? What do you mean? He's like, I'm with ODU, I'm an ODU official, I need to answer some questions. I was like, let me see some ID, let me see some ID because I'm like, who could this guy be? He's like wearing like a, you know, a business outfit, kind of thing, he's got some glasses on. I'm like, all right, I take his ID from him and look at it. I couldn't even see what it said because I'm like, my vision is kind of like this, just a tunnel and I was like, threw it back at him. I'm like, I'm not answering your questions. And I went, took the guys and the gals inside to the parking garage at this point, the police are all over it. They saw me and they're like, you're come with us. Like we need to talk to you now, like what's going on, tell us. And I'm like, I don't even have a phone, I need to tell my dad, I just need to tell somebody, like, hey, this is what happened and I'm okay because like, and I need to know like everyone else in the actual RTC building is okay. I get my doubts.
I got a quick call off the detectives phone. I was like, hey, dad, like terrorist attack in my classroom. I'm okay, but I need you to get here right now. Like I'm covered in blood. And then we got into like the first statements with the officers there. We were in like the locker room of the football team in the stadium because it's like attached to the parking garage. And that's where that parking garage was. And yeah, I have this female officer. She was really good. Combing me down and stuff. I'm like, I'm like, like this. Like I'm just like everything is after me, but I'm okay. It's like a weird, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. It's just a weird state of mind that I was in. And I'm like telling her everything that happened. And then like they're like, hey, we're gonna get you on a bus. And you're gonna come with us to the station, the police station, in Norfolk, covered like we get on to the bus. And we get on, yeah, we get on the bus and we started driving there. And I was using one of my friends's phones. I was like, given my dad update, so I was like, hey, dad. Like I'm on the way to the police station. On, I can't remember what, what road it was. But just meet me there. And he's just like, all right, son, I'll be there. And we got there and like I'm sitting, they put me, they sit me down in like one of their office chairs, like of like the detectives that work there, the officers that work there. And I'm just sitting there in this like, like this cubicle area. And I'm sitting there and I am just like, I don't even know what is going on. I'm like, just completely out of my mind in terms of like, just, I don't know how to feel. I don't know what to think. I'm just there, I'm just there. And they start trying to bring in like chaplains and stuff like that. And the Navy chaplain, she took one look at me and literally kept going, just kept going. Wow. She could see it in the up. Huh? They didn't clean you up. No, not at all. Just my hand, they took pictures of my hands. I got to wash my hands. That was it. Geez. They kept trying to offer me like candy and soda. They brought in some Chick-fil-A. I like Chick-fil-A. That was, that was acceptable. You're like, can I get the fucking blood off me for? No, literally. It's, and it's starting to, it's, I was there at the station for seven hours. It was starting to stink. You were there for seven hours before you got to clean up. Yeah. Seven and a half, seven hours. They did one interrogation with me and interrogation. They were not in terror, but like, you know, they brought you, it brought me in a room, small room with single desk, two chairs on one end, me on the other. What are they asking you? They're asking me what happened? Was there cameras in the classroom? I don't know. I don't think so. But I think there's cameras in the hallway, maybe, in the stairwells. Yeah, they're like, trying to offer me candy in soda, and I'm like, I don't even care. The one officer, he was doing a good job, though, talking to me. He was, he's talking to me through it. Like, just getting my mind off it. Like, hey, man, like, where do you like to travel? All this kind of stuff. They got my mind off it for a second, and then I'm like, right there. I'm right back to, we're right back in it. Mentally, I'm sitting there, hours. And they're like, what can we get for you? And I'm like, you know what? Like, you guys are cops, right? And they're like, yeah. And they're like, I was like, can you guys get me some zins? Or something, like some kind of nicotine or something? And they're like, yeah, we'll get this guy some zins. Like get us some zins. And then they're all like, all the guys that have zins are on the, you know, at the scene right now. The one officer went down to like the Wawa or something nearby and got me a whole can that helped. It really did. And some hours, more hours go by. And then they finally, my leadership finally brings us into this small room with the rest of the cadets there from my class. And they're like, they said that they had some news. And I was like, oh no. 'Cause I could see the faces of the rest of my leadership behind the one officer that told us what was that Colonel Shaw had passed like at the hospital. And I just couldn't believe it. Because the last time I had seen him, he was alive and talking. Yeah. So they broke that news. It was pretty traumatic being there. I'm just hearing that. And man, I'm sorry. Yeah, but you know, maybe an hour or two more passed and I was able to get to the portion of the hospital. My dad took a, had arranged for treatment for blood exposure there for the, me and the rest of the guys that had some blood on them. And yeah, we got there and full like blood panel and iodine shower, change of clothes. Chaps came and saw me. Good chaplain too. Good guy. I didn't get home that night. What did he say? Chaplain? 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If it's not, you know, if it's not tomorrow can be a week from now, a month from now, you're from now, you know, whenever you're ready, if you want to talk, call me, he's like I'll answer. I thought that was solid because I'd say what do you say really? Like, what can you say, what do you say, yeah, didn't get home at night until like 11 o'clock at night and that was from 10 30 something when the whole thing kicked off. Did not really sleep that night or in the few of some nights after did not sleep hardly. Didn't get to eat really. My appetite was really messed up like the stress or something. I don't know like this tightness in here. And yeah, when did you get to talk to your dad for the first time? In person, it was at the police station. What about him private? When's the first time you got a loan time with your dad in the loan time, just him and I. He's a really busy guy. I mean, on the phone, I had gotten my phone back. Maybe the next day, the next day, my mom too, my mom. Uh, she was like a wreck. Uh, I'd gotten to talk to her on the phone. It was just too much to kind of like go anywhere or like try to like, hey, like see everybody, like, hey, I'm okay. Like, I just couldn't, I couldn't like handle just being in the car going around like trying to see people like my mom and my dad. But yeah, I mean like, some days after that, I mean, uh, days that followed really hard. Just like the stress, they're not really sleeping, bad dreams, kind of what kind of dreams. Just like seeing just the hearing the classroom and seeing a Colonel Shaw's eyes when he was on the ground. They were really big at a heart. Like right before he had gone unconscious, his eyes got really big. And when I said, I got really just like really freaked out and really started to get that moment. But that, that, that set of eyes, it's like a, like, that's where we blaze in your head. That, yeah, that, that and doing the first leather belt on this attorney kit. Um, yeah, um, didn't have my phone, uh, I was getting like, uh, I was having to communicate like through people, uh, like through their phones, uh, that's, that was rough. And uh, I had my, I had an iPad, I have an iPad. I was able to like kind of, I message call FaceTime audio call through that. How many people were in the classroom, 28, 28 people, yeah, and four of you guys took them out. Yeah. Like the four of us, well, that were hands on with the terrorists, yes. But then there's another three that help with aid and stuff like that. Um, how long after he yelled all of up or did he search shooting immediately? Wow. He was doing it. Wow. He was shooting. So there was, you didn't have time to, nobody had time. No. No. Zero. Like, no time. It was, it was instantaneous, damn near from the confirmation that, yes, this was the ROTC classroom. Shit. And, uh, did he shoot a Colonel Shaw first? Yeah. It was a, Colonel Shaw was the closest guy to him. How far? Point blank. Six, seven feet. That's it. I mean, I mean, first, like, I'm telling you, the dimensions of this room is like the same. Like the door, he shooters like the right edge of the American flag. And Colonel Shaw is standing where your portrait is of you in the helicopter. Wow. It's about five, five, five, six feet. Um, how many shots did he fire? Four, four, um, like I said, like Colonel Shaw was, he closed the distance, like, immediately damn near and was able to kind of bear hug him to the ground after he'd been shot. Did he hit him four times? Colonel Shaw was only hit once. That's, I checked the whole, his whole body. I only saw found one gunshot to his leg, but a girl got shot. She did. She did get shot. When did she get shot? It must have been in that volley of shots. So he wasn't just aiming at Colonel Shaw? Well, um, or somebody ran in front of him. No. She was sitting in the general, like, line of fire, um, that hit Colonel Shaw. She was sitting, would have been sitting in the general line of fire of where he was standing. Because she was in the front row, um, thinking of front row to the, my left, um, it would not have been that much of a gap if, uh, if you were shooting quickly to maybe have a stray. I don't know, but she was hitting the leg. Was anybody else him? Yeah. Who else? Another cadet, uh, guy, the one with the knife, who was, uh, I don't know if he must have been shot. He was shot and kept stabbing. Where was he shot and it's belly and the belly and the belly, yeah, and he kept going, kept going, freaking insane. Where did you tackle this guy? He was on the ground, um, like Colonel Shaw was able to bare hug, kind of bring him to the ground. Colonel Shaw way more sizable guy than the shooter was shooter was not a big guy. Um,
Um, maybe like 5, 8, 5, 5, 9, but like, not like muscular either. Pretty like, like, no, not strong. Um, he was on the ground when we had gotten there already. And it was just kind of like a beat, beat down. Just punches and elbows and people with knives and something even had a water bottle, like a metal thermos. It was just who's heads up enough to put their hand on the slide so that he couldn't shoot anymore. What was that who was heads up enough to put their hand on the top of his weapon? It was a slide. It was me and another cadet on my left. Did you know what you were doing? You knew the firearm wouldn't function if you did that? Yeah. It's pretty fucking heads up, man. I mean, it's just, I feel like it's kind of like, you know, I've done a fair amount of shooting. And it's like, that's the main action of the, of the gun of the pistol. So it's like, and he was trying to, he kept trying to pull the trigger. Like at he's trying to swing his arm around at me and the guy to my left. What are you doing while he is trying to shoot you in the front? We're trying to push in the gun because it is a team back way enforcing the muzzle away from our classmates behind us into the wall. Who's he yelling now? Now he was, he yelled, shot, you know, and like, he did not say a word while getting beaten like at all. He just kind of let out a couple of grunts and. Maybe after a minute, a minute and a half, he was gone. How many times did you just stab him? Ah, do you have any idea? A lot, it was a lot, it was and it was a lot and it was everywhere. It was everywhere. Oh yeah, it was a lot, it was everywhere. How big of a knife was a, you know, two, three inch, a little bit of a knife. Yeah, two, three inch knife, like, you know, it's a college campus. Can't carry like a knife or guns on campus really. They just, you know, they'd a couple of them happen to have one, one of them. All I had on me that day was my cell phone until I didn't have it on me. I was there to just give my brief, I was just there to give my brief and go on my spring break. Um, I mean, you guys eliminated that threat in four fucking minutes with no firearm. Yeah, it was, uh, when everyone else ran, yeah, um, I mean, yeah, I mean, telling them, telling them to run, made them run, I don't know, um, here's the timeline, 940, Muhammad, Jilla, parks, his vehicle on campus with a legally obtained, glock 44, 22 caliber firearm, 1040, an hour later, Jilla enters constant hall navigates to the ROTC classroom, 1043, Jilla enters the classroom, asks, is this the ROTC class upon confirmation shouts, Allah Akbar in open fire. That's a 1043, 1043 to 1047, Jilla fires multiple rounds, fatally wounding lieutenant colonel Brandon Shaw in injuring two ROTC candidates, cadets, ROTC cadets immediately engage overcome shooter through physical force 1043, first emergency call placed reporting active shooter 1047 police arrive on campus, four minutes after the first call to determine the shooter is deceased. Yeah, that means he died well before 1047 shots started at 1043, 1048, run height fight alert issued to campus lockdown protocols initiated 1210 all clear issued campus declared safe. That is unfuck and real that you guys in less than four minutes were able to kill that dude. That was the team you guys, the team it was unbelievable, how fluid and cohesive we worked on and doing this. Was that instinct, see, I don't know, maybe, um, probably, most probably mostly instincts and maybe some training, I'm not sure, like, there was no thinking involved. I don't recall ever, I don't, I don't think there was any any like time during the course of, you know, those few minutes where I was like deliberating over what I should do. It was just doing, uh, and I think the rest, I think that goes for the rest of this guys and, um, yeah, they, I mean, this, the team it really is like, uh, I, there's, do you know how heroic that is? Is that even registering it's yet, it's partially ish, it comes and goes kind of like with the incident in a way, um, kind of still, you know, I cut some days, I'm like, okay, I thought I've come, maybe I've come to terms with it and then other days, I'm like, like, what the, I still like, what the heck is even going on, what even happened. And I think that, you know, I think that you charged a terrorist that was killing people with them. You charged him with no weapon, all of us are most of us with no weapon. Yeah, not even a knife, uh, in eliminated him in less than four minutes. I, like I said, it's, you know, how many people would have been killed if it wasn't for you for, uh, they say, you know, it's, it would have been more, did he have more magazines on them, maybe one other. I know the one cadet, he did, he cleared this, cleared the, it was fully loaded, at least the one mag was fully loaded. I don't know how much, uh, it wasn't, how many rounds were in that mag, but, uh, yeah, the university president, uh, he said this, um, uh, the university president, hemp, hemp fill, he, uh, had called me personally after I'd gotten this like really weird email, uh, from some like associate assistant to the vice president of like the student conduct committee. What did that email say? Uh, uh, along the lines of, uh, hey, Samuel, I just want to let you know, uh, ODU doesn't have any intention of, uh, pressing charges against you in accordance with like the student code of conduct, pressing charges against you. This is the ODU hasn't, doesn't have any intentions of pressing charges against you after you called a fucking terrorist. It's what the email said. I woke up one morning, what is the, what the fuck does that even mean? This is, yeah, I don't know. And he's, and it was like, uh, you know, no intention of pressing charges in accordance with the student code of conduct for the actions you took personally that day. Oh, jeet, thank you. Yeah. I woke up that one morning at like a 30 in the morning, I slept on the couch, you know, it maybe it's been four or five days since the shooting. Look at my phone immediately screenshot it. I sent it out, uh, to my, my dad and some of my like mentors from like when I was active duty and they were like, what in the hell is that? And I have that screenshot. Yeah, you can. Thank you. I'll give it to you. Um, yeah, uh, I think it was like a, like a rogue, it was a rogue email, like, uh, we know what you did kind of thing. I don't know. We know what you did. The, my phone, the other, I saved an entire fucking
classroom. This is so the university president um was alerted of this that this happened and uh within a couple hours he called me personally and was like I'm so sorry that ever that ever got sent to you don't even like no words but I'm sorry and what you and those guys did you guys are warriors your heroes and then he shared a personal anecdote with me. about uh his time when he was at Illinois University uh yeah like it's other than Illinois University in like 2008 um there was a shooting there apparently I didn't know this until he told me he was there as like a dean or something or vice president of the university and uh in a classroom of 150 their alone godman came in and shot or killed like night like 19 or 24 and nobody stood up to this guy so he called me to tell me thank you and god bless you and keep in touch and I he wants to make it right he wanted to make it right and uh his uh number two her and I started corresponding this is where I made this group chat for the guys that us guys that stayed back in the room just to talk about hey how's everyone doing how's everyone feeling um I named it fucking warriors that's the good name of the group chat um but uh they want the university president uh wanted to take us out to dinner he said anywhere you want anywhere you guys want to agree on a spot let's go so we chose uh really really like expensive stay-couse and uh that the Monday it was the day after the funeral we all went uh and we like broke Brad fellowship together uh he wanted to get eyes on every single one of us but yeah so it should be good amazing leader i mean amazing uh and it wasn't even like bureaucratic or anything it was just real good like you know it wasn't like a check the box like hey i saw these guys it was like it was like person to person um and he heard our i mean he even heard our complaints or suggestions uh what were your suggestions ah man you know increasing security uh Colonel Shaw he had been there a few couple of years or three two or three years at this point and uh he had grown like the the rtc population from i don't know what amount but to over a hundred some uh and uh i had uh how i had been corresponding with his aid and uh or maybe she's the vice president i'm not sure but i said to him i was like you know if uh you know what kind of security measures are we going to put in place for our rtc populations clear you know after this clearly you know targeted what are we going to do because if you don't and if you don't help people will feel safe then the growth that Colonel Shaw did for the program will be cut in half because people are not going to feel safe and want to show up and they will just disenroll he had already was like hey Virginia State Police ODPD they're going to be out in force every training event there before you guys show up to after they'll be there uh watching so all right the first football game this coming fall semester home game uh everybody every football player on the ODU's team is going to be wearing camouflage with the Colonel Shaw's name on the back they're going to do an Apache flyover uh prior to the kickoff Colonel Shaw was a patchy pilot he loved Apache's an army aviation and um you know renaming a building uh commemorating the part of the stadium where Colonel Shaw always liked to stand and hang out next to his uh his uh 105 howitzer that we we got to shoot off for the games nice uh member commemorating it as like Shaw's corner stuff like that do you think this could have been prevented I think so how so I think um you know I think that the law maybe isn't as uh strict as it needs to be on individuals who have prior prior convictions and associations with terrorist organizations for sure one way it could have been preventive is if they wouldn't have released him from fucking prison two and a half years early yeah what do you think this guy's motivation was Mohammed what do you think his motivation was just hate hate hate and hate me evil let me give you a radicalization timeline do you mind if I do that sure I'm not familiar about sure here's a radicalization timeline for uh Mohammed jillab 2009 to 2015 serves honorably in the army national guard becomes troubled personal life relationship break up substance abuse things like that in 2015 he quits the national guard after listening to online lectures from deceased al-Qaeda cleric anwar al-Kawali July 2015 to January 2016 travels to Sierra Leone in Nigeria makes contact with Islamic state members views extremist propaganda early 2016 contacted by ISIS a virtual platter online operative who encouraged attack planning told the FBI he wanted to conduct an attack similar to the 2009 forthood shooting to kill 13 people july 3rd 2016 arrested after three month after a three month FBI sting operation attempted to purchase an air 15 rifle and tried to donate $500 to ISIS October 2016 pleads guilty to attempting to provide material support to ISIS yeah I didn't know you couldn't donate to ISIS the US government sends 40 to 87 million dollars every fucking week to the Taliban did you know that uh I've I've I've heard about this for that flags from the Taliban was burning that flag in Afghanistan and the man that uncovered the fact that the US government is sending 40 to 87 million fucking dollars a week to the Taliban which is going to training people like Mohammed jillab to come here and fucking kill our people our US government's funding that I just want everybody to know that the US government is funding fucking terrorism okay so let me go down this timeline a little bit more prison record in early release sentenced February 10th 2017 to 11 years in a federal prison plus five years supervised release prosecutors recommended 20 years he only served eight and a half years transferred to a halfway house a halfway house hog a halfway house he's in prison for pleads guilty to attempting to provide material support to ISIS so they send him to a fucking halfway house honestly I don't even know what a halfway house is a halfway house is for addicts oh that's what halfway houses. Okay. So they send them to a fucking half
house. Released on December 23rd, 2024, approximately two and a half years early. Reason for early release completed a R-DAP, a residential drug abuse program, despite having no drug convention convictions, only terrorism convictions. Federal law prohibits violent offenders from early release via R-DAP. This was a legal loophole. The Federal Bureau of Prisons has since closed the loophole in 2025. So it was preventable. I mean, they not let a fucking terrorist out of prison two and a half years early on a fucking R-DAP residential drug abuse program. Why the fuck would you release a terrorist, a fucking terrorist, two and a half years early on a residential drug abuse program? Whoever the fuck did that needs to go to prison. Yeah. Along with every member of the U.S. government that's sending 40 to 87 million fucking dollars a week to terrorist, to train Mohammed Jallah to come to ODU and fucking kill your professor. God rest his soul. It's rough. That's the reality of this. Thank God for people like you and your fucking comrades. Yeah. Still some real Americans left in this country. We just want to, we just want to do our best. I know, man. And this shit just pisses me off because it is fucking preventable. Yeah. I mean, that piece of shit not been released two and a half years early on a fucking drug rehab program. This wouldn't have happened. If they would have taken the fucking shit seriously, that this guy was actively helping ISIS, wanted to be, wanted to be an ISIS was, an ISIS member, went overseas to train, to look at whatever kind of material to, and we fund it. We fund that shit. How fucking crazy is that? You don't have to be Abraham Lincoln or Winston Churchill to make a powerful point. You just need to understand how to use your words. That's exactly what Hillsdale College is teaching in their new free course, classical logic and rhetoric. 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Terrace, hostile intelligence agencies, organized crime, not everything is urgent, but this show will focus on what is need to know, not just what is nice to know. You know, it's hard to conceptualize that, especially because, you know, being a soldier, wanting to defend the country. It's hard, difficult. The country still worth defending, Sam. I believe that politicians are not. They are not worth defending. Politics isn't really. It's hard to keep up. For me, you know, I stay in my lane. I just want to take care of the people around me. You care of my soldiers? You're a good man. Yeah, the lawmakers. You don't have to say anything, man. It's hard to talk about, it's hard to talk about, even though I'm not representing the Army and an official capacity. It's hard to talk about those facts about what the government funds. It's not the Army's volume. I know it's not. That's our politicians. You know what they want to do? They want to sit on X and bat this shit back and forth like it's some fucking political campaign and not do a fucking thing about it. And now we have terrorist attacks happening in our fucking country that we're funding. And I've been saying the shit was going to happen for fucking years. A lot of people are saying of other people. I was in the police station and I saw on the TV that day that the the it's like a church or something in Michigan. I've gotten attacked that day too. And then there was another one in Belgium, I think. Yep, that same day. I think those all the same day. Yeah. I love my country. I love the people in it. I love the Army. Good. Even though it has its ups and downs. Like anything. An acting change. An acting change within the organizations that I'm a part of is what I want to do. What are you doing for yourself right now? The shit can creep up on you. Yeah. Staying active. Talking to my mentors, my friends, my leadership from when I was a prior service. If any of them killed anyone before? They have. Yeah. And are they walking you through that? Yeah, they are. Honestly, the terrorist is not that whole part of the sequence. It doesn't really bother me at all. Good. Like at all, it's the it's it's it's it's it's Colonel Shaw and taking care of him. It's a survivor skill. That's the thing. Those that that part of it is a that's the hard part for me. Is that part? Do you think you could have done something differently? Who me? Yeah. There was nothing to do different. You did everything you could man. We all did. Like the team. There was nothing else better. I don't think we could have done. We had what we had and we made use of it. So what is tripping you up about that? The experience itself? Or what do you feel guilt about? No, it's not so much it was guilt in the beginning, but now it's more it's just the sadness like in the funeral I had seen him they before they shut the casket they did like a final viewing that that that day. And just like seeing somebody you were taking care of alive and talking to the opposite and laying in and uniform in a casket.
and that's it's just just getting through that mentally that's that's the thing that's the hard part for me and the family his wife and his son he loved his son and he holds his son I think he's like ten fuck man he was an amazing father I know that amazing father amazing husband very big leadership void without him there really good representative of the army to the university yeah that's the hard part in the funeral the flag the flag pass you know to the spouse and watching her carry it out and when it was being handed to her the like I guess the coordinating officer who like I guess you know just in charge of the funeral who pass gifts the flag he like leaned over in his hat fell off his his cap onto the ground and that was a lot seeing that it's hard man I've been to a lot of those especially where you see their kids running around the kid and they just want to know what the hell is going on and what is my dad coming home he's not now and yeah I saw like a tweet was like I don't know how many months spent overseas but many many months overseas to just die at home that was that was something stuck with me just seeing that it's like a tweet or something same you got to stay ahead of this man the stuff you can creep up on you yeah it takes a long time to cycle through all the emotions try my best this is my first time going through something like this hopefully it's your last last time yeah are you in therapy no not there are you gonna start probably not no why because I think like there's like other ways of like they're they're doing kind of like self therapy like I like going on to the garden I find it therapeutic to talk with my friends or like mentors that I really trust good about it therapeutic for sure to do that and you know a chaplain eventually I think I see that but right now no well as long as you're not internalizing it all that's a good no definitely not internalizing it I'm not bottling it up I was one you know I was one of those people back when I was like a like a little young teenager I know it's not the right way so when we wrap this up I'm gonna give him a contact info if you need anything anything appreciation it may up I've been through just about every fucking healing avenue you can imagine so yeah at least point you in a couple directions yeah I really appreciate that you listen to the show I do a lot like hours and hours and a lot of mentors that would love to help you out man and the comrades which I can't wait to meet them I hope I do yeah they would love to meet you open invite anytime you guys want to come out we'll fly you up there we'll put you up we'll set it up thank you Shawn my pleasure but yeah through all of this through all of this I got I got called by somebody it's like if somebody just trying to reach out and they were like hey like you know you think about getting out now or like you know trying to get some disability it's like no good for you now I want to be I want to I want to serve even more good for you man so is there anything you want to say to your comrades your fellow cadets that you haven't yet maybe if I forgot to but I'm proud of them proud and thankful for every single one of them if I if I didn't there it is because there is anything you want to say to the Colonel Colonel Shaw I miss you man I do you know even through it every through everything like that scene I miss you and I hope you know I tried my best to retry out our best team do you want to tell us some what kind of man he was what was that you want to tell his ten-year-old son what kind of man he was yeah your dad your dad he loved you so much we all knew that as a class and we never even met him and I met his son and everything I think everything he did was for his son and same for his wife well man we're wrapping up the interview but you got your one last present what's his name your catholic you'll know what that is rosary thank you pull it out you know who Dom Raza was yeah I met him you met Dom yeah when I was a high schooler I worked at a this restaurant down in Portsmouth, Virginia beer garden he frequented there a lot with his family I'm like I'm not like like short kind of big beard that's Dom yeah I met him when I was like 16 he's got the knives the knives oh yeah the stuff yeah it's sweet is this from him well yes Dom has those made those those rosaries and he calls them the warrior rosary and so I thought when you told me your catholic earlier off camera I thought oh man I've got to give him one of these things yeah like I'm not even kidding like I've served his family as a like a like a teenager wow small world yeah that's crazy small world yeah he's awesome guy I met him he was it was a Sunday I think and he had taken his family to church and he was getting a meal after church and he was just talking he was just talking to me that's just a teen like a teenager I wasn't even joining the army or anything at that point right all mad that's a great dude yeah well I thought you might like that I do I really I carry one with me everywhere I go I think that rosary brings a lot of protection and maybe you'll
carry it to. Yeah. And so I thought, maybe we could end this with a prayer that you lead for Colonel Sean, his family. God. Thank you for bringing us here today. Keeping us safe, you know, that day, um, March 12th. It's a really bad day. And um, you know, I pray that you see Colonel Sean's family and protect them and bring them as many blessings as you can. And that you bring his son into your arms and keep him safe. Amen. Mind if I add a little bit? Of course. And Jesus, I just would like to add that I just want to say thank you for Sam and his comrades for standing up in the face of fear that day because if they hadn't, who knows how many lives would be gone with Colonel Shaw. It's been like that that make this a great country. And I also just want to say, please be with Colonel Shaw's family. They're going to need you more than anyone right now in these times. And uh, never forget. Amen. Amen. Yeah. Sam. Sean. Thank you, man. Like I said, man, anything you need, reach out. I really appreciate you, man. I really appreciate you, Sean. Thank you. That is an honor. It's a real honor. It's a pleasure. No matter where you're watching the Sean Ryan show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, head to Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us a review.
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