295 • Juice Colored

Welcome to another episode of the Eavesdrop podcast. We're not going to put a number on this one because we've already lost track of how many consecutive episodes we've been putting out the very consistent people that we are in this show. So welcome. It's just the three ladies today, but we have a little something special for all of you. My name is Jelly Victor. We've also got Monica Francesca Delamar is with us. And as of press time, she is still in the country. She is still plus six three. That's the important part. Yeah, she's actually, uh, Dell is actually, um, literally, yeah, very, very, very, very, very close to me. And I'm going to get, I'm going to get some tanks. Spanx when she leaves. Because I leave tomorrow, um, for Japan. So today is the last full day here. Yes. And I'm in Casamonica in the east wing of Casamonica. And I love it because you girls just go jelly come here now. Like, okay, hold on, driving. And I've been there in like 15 minutes. It's been amazing. And then in complete Monica goes, you want the driver to pick you up? Oh, I forgot. I forgot. There's also that offer. He can pick you up, bring you home. Don't worry about it. Oh, and then in true jelly fashion, she drives herself to my house. I'm like, little girl. But yeah, little at a time, little at a time, baby steps. But this is great because I do remember there was a time, maybe a few months ago or maybe last year, like, I really wanted this kind of setup for us, like, we can just hang at a moment's notice. You know, we don't have to wait for Delta fly, like a day to get here. These days, I just come down this there. Yeah. It's ready. Yes, it's been nice. It's been a nice week or so, you know, and hopefully, well, there's storms coming in, but that's okay. We had a bit of sunshine. The last maybe two or three days. That's right. That's been beautiful. We had a nice breakfast, a day ago, I think. But yeah, the three of us just met up. We sent out an invite to Drew. Don't worry. Eve's gang. Oh, that's so funny. We're not making that mistake again. Yes. And I would like to let you know, when I posted an IG story of us with Harper, we had like, I said, Oh, a quick catch up dinner with gel, jelly, Harper. And then all of the comments, not the comments, all of the DMs to me, we're like, Oh, did you invite Jude? I sent him on. Sejude, baka maga, it's Sejude. I go, don't worry, guys, he was part of the group chat. Before we own, we're never going to make that mistake again. But it's also nice that the the Eve's gangs holding us accountable for our actions. I love keeping us in check. I loved it so much. I could don't worry. Speaking of the Eve's gang, usually we start off the show with greetings. And then I move on to checking out Instagram and then mentioning all of the new follows. But after the recent viral collaboration of Eve's gang or Eve's drop and only fun, I still don't have any new followers because it's a different episode. That's what I'm doing. Yeah, but thank you. Thank you for following us. And you know, we hope you enjoyed this that collaboration. And I'm back with Gamja. Oh, super, next time. You should have been there like it was an hour and a half conversation. And it was just we were, it was getting hot in an air conditioned room. And then the book is coming after when I, I remember when you used to do that for a living, a four hour show, everyone says, Oh, yes. These year, we're only working four hours. You have no idea when it takes added you because it's a creative thing, right? Yeah, it felt like that. It felt like that again. Did you miss that feeling, though? Yeah. The answers. Yeah. Go on, go on. And we did address it for the end of the podcast. That to me, that's what I miss because sometimes, you know, you talk to people and because we entered radio so early in our lives, you were so young. And that spoiled that into expecting that almost everyone. You talk to can talk in that on the same wavelength. They're at the same speed when they, they, you know, try to outdo you each other. Like a ping pong match, right? Or exactly tennis. And then we all step out of it and you're like, Oh, no, it's actually very special. So bug, but let them one hour and a half of the conversation. Oh my God. This is, this is invigorating. The blood is forcing all my pain. I'm alive. I'm alive. No, you know, it's funny that the two times that Chico has been on the show. I wasn't present. But I feel like, okay. Langdentalagab, because I'd want to listen in as a fan of the tandem. I feel like I wouldn't have been able to contribute anything to the conversation because I just be laughing the whole time or I'd be crying. Like just fanay, a fanay level. So but I don't know that I was out of town so I can just, you know, listen to the whole conversation like the fan that I am, I've always been. So, okay, just really happy. It finally happened, but ever the grounded one, Semonica, then again, after in the recording. Okay. Now that we got that out of the way, the next episode will be. We lock in the next schedule. There needs to be a follow up always. That's her. She's facilitating like, okay, so what's the next step? And after an episode or a series of episodes like that, how do you even follow? How do you follow with another episode after something so so viral? But we thought we could make, we could level up to that kind of virality with this episode that we've got for you today, because it's something that we feel is a necessary conversation. Today we are talking about the stage of life that every woman eventually encounters. We have brushed up on this topic numerous times on the podcast, because the three of us are very much in the midst of their, I say, the store. We feel like it's the store. Can we even call it that we'll find out? Yeah, we're talking about the hot flashes that's specifically for the sleepless nights or oddly enough, about waking up at 3 a.m. Consistently, what is up with that? The mood swings, the weight that came and is refusing to leave the brain fog. Missing out on words that you always was always readily available. Yeah, all of a sudden, but where is that word? Oh, yeah, walking into a room or grabbing your phone and you're like, I know I'm supposed to message someone. Who was it again? I came into this room to do something. What was it and then, you know, who knows? And you know, you worked like that before and you're probably wondering, what is happening to my body, what is happening to me? And today, we are going to look at all of that, but from a completely different perspective. We are going to look at it from the lens of traditional Chinese medicine. Say what? Yep. Now, to help us make sense of it all, we are joined today by Dr. Francisco Kit Navarro, who is a medical doctor and a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine. For over 25 years, he is a good friend of mine. I'm so happy to have him on the show. Let me tell you a little something, something about this man. He graduated from the UP College of Medicine and has studied traditional Chinese medicine in Shaman University Hospital in Fujian, China. An Academy of Pain Research in St. Luke's Hospital, San Francisco, the United States. He was the founder of the complimentary medicine service in St. Luke's Global City, the launch of which I hosted, and the director of the traditional Chinese medicine trading center in Atineo de Manela University. His clinical practice includes acupuncture, chigong, and Yin yoga, TCM nutrition, and the indigo healing space, a program to educate patients on the health practices of traditional Chinese medicine, focusing on holistic care and prevention of illness and disease. One of his personal advocacy is women's health, the branch of traditional Chinese medicine, or TCM, that focuses on the holistic and natural care for women. They're sexual or reproductive and hormonal health, which is exactly why we have him on the show. Hi, Kit. Welcome to the eavesdrop podcast. Hello, I'm excited to be here. Finally, like you said, this is happening, Kit. Yes. Kit, okay, let's begin. We are in the midst of the storm storm, but it feels that way sometimes. I validate your experience, but I will give you a paradigm shift, a different paradigm to shift into understand things. Oh, that sounds good. Okay, let's start with the basics, Kit. How does traditional Chinese medicine understand Perry men and applause and men applause? You said you're going to give me a paradigm shift, so we shouldn't look at it as a storm. What instead? That is the big thing. Hold on and say hello to our listeners already. Excited with all the questions. Oh, excited now. Hi, everyone. Hi to the eavesgown, the viral, the big expan and exploded viral, I know. Hi to everyone listening to the eavesdrop. Hi. Hi to all the women out there. There you go. Yes. And Perry, men applause and even before, it's just because even before women of reproductive age and even the younger girls who will be, who will be mothers, who will be sexually, you know, in sexual development, sexual matured. Because this is how Chinese medicine looks at things, which is holistic also in terms of time, the whole time line we have to look at. Okay, I'm going to jump in a high. Yes, please go ahead. Before puberty with boys and girls, graphically the same. Say what about what about a secondary sexual development, secondary sexual and all. So the thing with the wave is before puberty is boys girls unisex your body is entirely your own. And you just have to, you just have to think about how to best take care of myself. Okay, and I'm saying this knowing that you are all mothers here with daughters, with children, who, you know, this is a lesson you will want to be passing on. You don't have to worry about anything yet. Once you reach puberty, and then you become sexually mature, women have this role for a good few decades of potential mother bush. You can get pregnant, which in Chinese medicine means your body is not entirely yours. Your body will be devoted to nurturing another life, another human being literally. Okay, so there is so reproductive years, there's always a challenge of deficiency, because you're giving part of yourself literally on a chemical level on a cellular level on an energetic level on a structural level, you're giving part of yourself to another living creature. And then even when the baby comes out of you, you're still giving part of yourself, your nutrition to the baby. And God knows that even even if you're still giving part of yourself, you're still giving part of yourself. So maybe not not directly the nutrition you eat is being fed into the baby, where I'm talking about breastfeeding, but they're not energetically emotionally financially. Time. Time energy, all these resources are part of until when will they grow up? When can we say again? And this is the big path of motherhood. Is it a miracle? Is it a challenge? Is it a blessing? Is it a curse? But it's all wrapped into that, that whole life experience of part of you, you are giving to another person. So there's always a question of, are you enough? Are you deficient? Are you running out of resources? Are you trying to feel from an empty cup? Okay. And that's motherhood power. Apatize and oh, hey, we should pause here and start having an existential crisis. It sounds like we're all there. We're all there. And then imagine, you know, for the mothers who have multiple children that's doing it times three times four times five. So that's why we feel depleted. And also as a mother, and this is not in any way, I'm not saying that that men are, I'm not degrading men, but part of a woman's plan is to keep her husband. Because, but it's because essentially it will impact the raising of her children financially, time wise, emotionally. So it's not just the kids, it's the system, the whole system that the woman is trying to keep up, right? There is subtle and you'll see this in my Chinese movies and Chinese dramas. There's a subtle and there's a, it's come from Confucianism and Taoism. Cultural thing about Chinese women, mothers, wives, which is like, my role is not to feel from my cup only, but make sure that my husband steps up. Yeah, I will manage his resources, right? There's a subtle nuance to that. It's based on Taoist philosophy, Yin and Yang, and it's also based on Confucian ethics, which is like the cultural application, which is, I'm supposed to give and feed and nurture everyone. But others, you're supposed to provide for me that man and take care of me. I look at it, would be, I tell my husband, I want you to provide and protect. So I can be the mother that I want to be. Okay, so where do we start? I mean, where do we start? What's our first question for, for Dr. Kit? Yes, again, wait, let's get into menopause. But this is enough. You see, this is part of that mind shift. Like, you're not helpless victims. I'm an empty cup and I have to give people what I don't have. Like, no, my role is really to be a vessel to receive in order to provide. So whether it's you're asking for your husband, you're asking from the grandparents, the in laws, or the whole village to raise. Oh, that's, that's, that's within your power. And we have to stop and pause because there's another. Like, what if you have no capabilities or hope to ask for help? You know, that's outside of the realm of the conversation. You know, kid, now that you're telling me all this, if I remember all of the movies, the Chinese movies where women are always at the center and why they are dragon ladies, you have to be. You need to have to be, you need to be fierce because motherhood is not for the week. And it will test you as a woman. I don't think so. So don't go that you know what, since I will be providing for so much on so many ways in so many levels, I need to be capable of receiving asking. Yeah, right. That's right. I agree with you. We gotta tell these girls. And you know that's a very Asian outlook. Westerners don't think that way. Once you're out, you sabbim all 18. You put some American culture. 18, you're out of the house, you stand on your own. That's the philosophy. It doesn't mean they don't love their parents. But you don't move as a unit. Asians use move as a unit. Western people are highly individual. Right. And it's a good marriage between someone who's not Western. That's what Western man. That's the truth. Then you encounter the real life problems of interracial marriages. Mm-hmm. The culture. And even the culture is rooted in the philosophies, the ethics, and the thing with Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, there's a traditional part of it, which is it does come from a Chinese culture. So we do have to study Yin and Yang, and a bit of Taoism, philosophy, and then applied, and then ethics. Now, Babayaka, you will do everything. You know that another young Miss Saigon song, Leia Salonga. You know, I'll give my life for you. Yes, exactly. And what does she have? She's nothing, but she will go get. Babayaka, she will go get for her child. And then that play, the ultimate sacrifice that she gave her life, so that this child can live. Oh my God. Is it the song? I'm seeing the song down. I was waiting. That was the song ball. Sikitba Osi Del. So I see it not just as a challenge, but a power also. Like, oh, I need this. Yeah. I think that maybe the challenge there is because some of us are at least now, like, we didn't know what we were going through at the time. There you go. We're so clueless to the symptoms. All of us said, and we're good. We're okay. We're energetic. And then the next day, we're like, what? No. Where's my energy level? Why is there, why am I so confused? Or why don't I have the same drive as I did? You know? Ah, yeah. Hi. Let's move on to the more biological medical. So when a woman goes into menopause, the Chinese view it traditionally as it becomes a quiet time for the woman. The woman, the older woman, matriarch, reba, is now a person of power in society, in the family. And she owes nothing to no one. Her body is her own again. Yeah. What is this? Is there a time line? Like, so what time? Because they've got some time. Oh, menopause. Not perimenopause. So menopause now. Okay. Like, my body is my own. And I am of equal ranking as the patriarch, as the grandfather, the aunt, the aunt and the uncle. It's like, are you listening to us? Doesn't matter which one of us. Because I have done my part. I see. I see. Dapat Ganon. So Dapat Ganon. So it's the time of wholeness. In a time of quiet and peace. While I know monthly, I do do go in a hole. It might make a mess. And I have no, well, I know. Uh-huh. I bought. Okay. That's the idea. That's the thing. But what about? But what about the process getting there? The process getting there. The perimenopause. Journey. Yes. From the busy, reproductive age. I might get pregnant. But every month. That there is a menstrual cycle. There is an ovulation. There is a possibility for pregnancy. And then there is a cleansing. I can be pregnant with this. So there's menstrual flow. It's considered a cleansing. And then next month build up again. And then it's a cycle. Um. But. So the cleansing. The release of menstrual blood because you didn't get pregnant. Um, it's considered a detox. However, it is also, it could also be a loss. Loss of blood, loss of substance loss of vital energy. Okay. So it's a time of. Of. Less. I won't say deficiency. Maybe just a decrease. And San Agadon Langat decreased. Langla. Oh, my energy is low because my blood is low. I lost some of my nutrition. And I'm just going to be chill. And in traditional cultures, this time of vulnerability. And is a time where the women. What can you go low? What can you be low with the rest of the, you know, stay in the red dead. Stay in the women's. Chambers and no one. Don't disturb them. No social. No emotional. No, well, I'm stressors. What I'm. And then when you recuperate. That week after menstruation. And then you get your, your whole again, you can go out now. Right. So traditionally, right? But. In about then we have patriarchy and postmodern capitalism, which is like, and I don't know. I work for it. It's a lot. I work for it. It's a lot of energy. Right? Ideally, I don't have to do this in Scandinavian, you know, EU countries where. You have menstrual leave. The bar. I believe there's some in some countries. Yeah. Oh, my, my mental flow is extra heavy this week and I'm feeling tired and I have some symptoms. And so I'm going to take a few days off. Ideally. Ideally, that this really. So that's a time of vulnerability. That's a time of loss. But what happens is for most women. And this, this, you can argue, this is, this is feminism at work also. This is also, you know, capitalism where men, women, you're just part of the workforce. We don't respect your formal change. That's right. Actually, not just for that. Well, you might not be hired because if you hire a woman and there's menstrual leave. There is a pregnancy. So in your career, wherever you're working, you would have to take that leave, that maternity leave, right? And to business owners, it's like, I'd rather just hire a guy. No, no, no, no issue. So the thing is, if it's not just every side during the reproductive years, if it's not just a cycle of loss and decrease, but a cycle of deficiency, depletion, okay. Now, if every menstrual cycle is a cycle of depletion, it will all add up. And then the, the bill, the counting will come during perimenopause. So that is why perimenopause is so that the whole journey. Is it a quiet landing to a time of quiet, peace and quiet, or is it the precipitous? No, you know what, the imagery that you're invoking in me is like, if a woman's body is a plane, there's a storm and she has to land it. But the process of landing that is not smooth. Terrible, the gay one, gay one. Across wind, but she's got to land that plane and there won't be peace until that flames landed. It should be a glenda pink ball. Just floating down like, hi, I am now in power. I'm now an older wiser woman, which in power. But the thing is, for one, we already know the women do not really get a menstrual leave. And are expected to still perform regardless of what your body is going through, regardless of the time of the month. So how do we even get to navigate this from the reproductive years to entering into perimenopause? How do we get to navigate this and land smoothly and efficiently without having to go through the storm? Knowing fully well how we've had to live our lives of the storm is coming either way. But how do we at least get to do well in it? Well, I like the way I answer this question is, who is going to speak up for the women? Who is going to speak up for women and women's health? And the men, the capitalists, the bar society, the patriarchy is not going to do this. And so maybe it will are awaiting for the institutions of the world to rescue us. We're just going to have to put on our big girl panties and start living. lives differently according to us and then pass it on to our daughters. Yeah. May I interrupt it because I don't want people to think that this is an anti-men thing. It never was because mothers give birth to boys too and we need men to provide and to protect so that we can do the work of mothering full on because that's the woman. That's the woman biologically. That's what we give to life. So I just want to say we are not against men. I love men. That's why I became a mother because of the men, right? But what I'm saying is before people think I know anti-men and a man. It's not what we're trying to do. It's that we're fighting for our space. Right. Right. In a world where we're always being told, grow up, just take it. Put your big girl panties and just go to work. I don't think so. Can you can you can you create a baby? Do you know how it feels when we're giving birth when we're going through the ups and downs of our hormones? So this conversation is necessary not to be anti-men but to fight for our right to be heard because this has been so muted. We have not been allowed to stay this for such a long time. And I'm so glad that our ally is a man. But let's okay let us let us dive into because since the kit does practice traditional Chinese medicine, let's dive into the things that you know we can do that's within our power when we do feel these things because we are aware actually because of social media and because of other women who talk about paramanopause and menopause and the things that we go through we are very much aware of the symptoms that we're feeling you know but awareness and then how to deal with it and maybe the medicine and the yoga and the healing that we need is what I think we can get from you kit. You know the practices of traditional Chinese medicine. What is that in this space? There is a very quick answer and have my show entail. Oh, goji berries. Oh yeah. Okay. And some red dates. Okay. Okay. Which is like you can buy this online. It's like a tea one tea pot table spoon of goji berries. Okay. And maybe two or three of the red dates. And they're all red because they all have to do with nourishing. Oh, wait a minute. The berry. How do you do? Do you steam it? Do we steam it? This one is like the the consistency of what goji berry muna is this is like raisins. It's sweet. It's a bit tart. Okay. It's very easy. It's very pleasant. And then this one is more like dates. Well, red dates, right? So it's like dates. It's a bit more mitigation texture. Do you just boil them together? You make it dirty. And then it's drink. That tea until until until I do it until I don't have too big. Okay. And then occasionally you will be eating the berries and some peanuts back in berries afterwards. So drink it like three days a week. And this will do what? How will this help you? So to get the general is it reduces a lot of the berry menopause symptoms, especially the hot symptoms. In Chinese medicine, the berry menopause journey that crash, that plane crash is a depletion of the Yin Yin and Yang. Okay. A depletion of the Yin Yin is often viewed as water while Yang is fire. Fire. So when you're the berry menopause symptoms, depletion of Yin means you have the heats, the overstimulation, that actually is the lack of grounding, the lack of calming, cooling grounding. So it's easy to be disturbed even in sleep. Yes. It's easy to be emotional that you're so hyper because you're actually lacking the Yin the grounding. Okay. So we call that empty heat. It's a false fire because actually what you're lacking is the cooling of the Yin. Okay. So this is very Yin. This is a lot of Yin. All right. Okay. So once we start experiencing paramount menopausal symptoms, we just start drinking that tea three times a week. Yes. Can somebody can somebody who's not yet experiencing paramount menopausal symptoms start drinking the tea would that benefit the 20 and 30 year olds? Maybe not that super young, but maybe during like when there is blood loss, the week after the men says maybe that week she should be dating some go to berry. And we're taking this not as herbal medicine strictly yet. Okay. Because if you're really pathologic, then we have to go to that level herbal medicine. We're only going this as nutrition, supplement. Okay. So it's a bit milder. Okay. So if you eat one of the symptoms, then we have to go higher level, more clinical. So if you're having more clinical kit, you boil it and you keep drinking it until paramtrend annom. Well, annom kula, you're too big. Yes. So you just keep heating it. Is that what you're saying? I named it just just add hot water to it. Hot water. Okay. Okay. That's the solution. Interesting about. Let's let me finish the thought on Yin is the water that counteracts the fire. But also and this is less understood Yin and Yang. Yin is the fuel that feeds the fire. So a lot of other variables of symptoms is lack of Yang, lack of energy, lack of clarity, the model-headedness, the brain fog. In Chinese we call it the flam, flam misting the mind, the mind, the body, which is brain fog, basically. So some women are more empty Yang, empty heat, which is fire, emotional, hyper, it's so easy to be triggered in Somnia. Okay. Because they're lacking the Yin. But some demand because they lack Yin water. But some women are more lacking in as fuel. So what does it look like? Yang. So that's the everything slowing down. My mind is slowing down, foggy forgetfulness, and I know, weight gain. Well, I know fire, the metabolism slows down, cools down. Yeah. And whether you have seemingly too much Yang falls fire or not enough Yang, lack of fire is all rooted in not enough Yin. Not enough Yin. Okay. So the question is, is this this is a Yientonic? Gojubaries? Yientonic? Is this the only Yin in life that we have to buy Gojubaries? It's like no. So the more basic is the food we're eating. Ah, there you go. Okay. Okay. Go. So are we eating enough, nourishing, moistening, lubricating foods? So literally could be more like sauce, so pass. Okay. We're not going to dry. Yeah. We're not cooked in high heat. So some people don't even like microwave because it's too intense. So less of the barbecue, less of the roasting, more of cooking with water, steaming, boiling, or you know, there's water. It's soup based. Oh, steaming gang and, you know, you know, it doesn't dry up. The chicken and the, you know, it's not dried up. The blood in the steak is still there. The juices are still there. So we have enough juice for ourselves. Okay. So nothing that dries out the food. Okay. So food has to be more nourishing, more Yin, meaning nourishing, moistening, lubricating. Okay. Nothing that dries up too much. Okay. Is there, and then what about the rest of things? Life, lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, foods that will dry up will be the heat of food. So too much sugar and inflammatory substances. Okay. Alcohol, the gin tonic. No, dead. Okay. Anybody, the whole, I committed to that. I know. I was like, yeah, we have to preserve a bit more because she's single in Tayo. The counting is at very many of us. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like that. The accounting is at very well. And then in the bigger picture, Yin is rest and sleep and nourishing and self-care. It's louder. It's the louder. That's why again, we had that intro to start with like we have to think of society community our life, our culture that if we're headed towards burning burning out. Yeah, many parts, very many parts, I see single in and we'll be not mature to you. I'm totally up to the butto, osteoporosis, the same thing. Even the brain dries up and the idea of a chrome, right? Is it dried up woman? Hair, skin, like a raven. And then even the insides are dried up bone up to the flakens, the muscles, up to the bone, up to the bula law drying up. So you have to, I'm taking from this is union psychology, you have to re a juicy chrome. That's the goal. That's the goal. Yeah. We still have juice. So nourishment. What else? What else should we do? What are the practices that we gotta instill? We rest. We rest. We sleep. Rest. But what if we can't sleep? They'll like them. Okay, let's bring it back to the sea. It'll help. I think the problem with me, for example, is I can't sleep when it's time to sleep. I'm sleepy when everyone is supposed to be working, but I just want to lie down. And then now you're dried up. You don't have enough Ian for Ian fuel for your fire, but you also don't have enough Ian water to cool the fire. Yeah. This is not about, we mentioned my, you know, the Instagram Indigo Healing Space the bar, because as much as I've been teaching, you know, I've been practicing TCM as a doctor, as a physician, clinician. And I've been training other people, medical, non-medical also, to be TCM practitioners. This next venture is the Indigo Healing Space. I'm bringing the education to patients, or I don't even want to think of them as patients, or somewhere between students and patients. The thing is, if you can take care of yourself, and that's what Chinese medicine as a holistic medicine is, it's not just the doctors, inter clinics doing treatments. It's everyone. If you have your time boundaries, you have your, oh, look, I want to be asleep at 10, which is the idea. So at 9, I will be in bed and chill. Nothing stimulating. No cage dramas. No phone calls. I'm not going to look at my phone in the rain. Well, I know. And so, so I need to cool down at 9 to 10, 9 30. I'm in the bedroom, by 10. I'm in bed. And really, that's my habit to preserve my in. Because I'm going to have, I'm going to need that year for tomorrow, all the young, all the fire that we're doing. We're going to need all that year. Okay. And that's on a micro daily cycle, to my habit. But then that builds up in the macro, in the big picture of a word, the age, or the barement of also, we don't want to dry up. Kit, let's go back to the food, because that's the most practical way. And that's something that we practice daily, telegar food intake. We already know, stay away from all the dried up food, lean more towards soups, lots of water, boiling, steaming. What about fruits and vegetables? Are their specific fruits and vegetables that are recommended for perimenopausal? Here, I'm going to I'm going to cross over to ancient Greek medicine. Okay. Okay. Which has similar anonymity, may cross over lapse, which is like in Greek mythology, the pomegranate is a very juicy which is also associated with sex and reproduction in hormonal health. And you know, biologically, chemically, it does have to do with hormonal health. The image is if the if a woman goddess, okay, fertility goddess, she bites into the promogue, it will trip down red juices all the way down into the V-croch area. Okay. In Chinese culture, the equivalent of that would be peach, peaches, and even plums. The meaty juicy fruits. In the Philippines, manga. Okay. But also coconut. So that's the theme, like there's cultural differences because based on geography and climate, but there are the themes of the juicy. Yeah. So I'm not saying that let's say a banana is not juicy. An apple is not that. Yeah, I can make juice, but I'm here up the bar. The trusses is citrus fruits are juicy. So prioritize the juicy fruits. It doesn't mean that the non-juicy fruits are not good. Okay. Thank you. So prioritize that. Got it. And then there's also when vegetables are like the heavier vegetables. What do you mean by that? Exactly. Which ones? The ones that are under the ground are on the ground and not the green leafy. So like flying around, that's what they're with carrots and then potato. So pumpkin squash. All of these are also very good. And then the concept of the butto. And I will use the term butto. Whether do I mean nuts, the inner most seed, okay? Or legumes? Okay. Okay. The butto. That's why we have to be low. Okay. Okay. I like it. I like it. Okay. So we have fruits, veggies, exercise, fitness. Okay. Go ahead. Which is at the end of the day because here's the basic and I find this has to be said explicitly. You look at your food and then you are, is it really food? You look at what you're going to put in your mouth. Okay. On the table in your mouth and you're going to ask, does this food have life? Does this have vital energy life force that we can provide to me? I like this. And then they're going back to the States. There's a lot of theories about big food. The foods there are not really food anymore. Yeah. The ice cream is made of oils and chemical and they don't melt and they don't. They're not really cream. They're not really. Right. Here in the Philippines, question mark. But you know, if the fruit is a fruit, the vegetable is a vegetable. The meat is recognizable as meat. Then we know that it's not highly processed, not ultra processed. It still has nutrients. It's still alive and it can give me life. Right. Okay. Everything. Whole foods. Everything you buy in the Palenque. Whole foods. Whole foods. Yes. Yes. Okay. Then we have a lot of things that were just like. Yes. Cranky. Smacking on. Killed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Right. This is really going to give me life. Yeah. Because as we get older, we can't afford to waste. The body will process it the same. The body will exert effort in processing it. What are we? Is it profitable? The junk food. No. Food that is not really alive. My favorite example, gummy bears, is like. I bought like what I know, but my question mark. No, not shows. No, we're there. And that's why the rise of more artisanal like homemade organic or traditionally made, a ego. Right. That's right. Even locally, you make the pedal down the street. Yeah. It used to be alive, big-ass canine, but the ones that you can buy commercialized. But okay. So like, let's say, you know, when you have patients, when you see patients, and this holistic approach is good, natural foods, the whole foods, but then if it's a little too severe, what's the clinical medicine in terms of traditional Chinese medicine that you kind of go into or maybe prescribe? This is why I have this indigo healing space where I want, you know what, my patients have to be educated so that the responsibility and the agency of taking care of their health is on them. Every day, every meal you're doing, the exercise, the sleep, okay, that you're doing or not doing properly, the stress that you're managing, the emotions that you're facing, or not, and then you come to the clinic, you see me once a week, I can do acupuncture, we can do some yoga, some breathing techniques, and then you go back to your bad habits. And then you say, I teach them the sun work, or not, like, yeah, that's been a burden, that's why, that's why now it's like, you know what, I'm not just going to teach, I'm not just going to treating patients, I'm not just teaching, teaching training people to treat people, but we're going to go and teach people, or I know in this indigo healing space, you say, you're not students, you're students, you're not really patients, but that's a goal, not never be a patient, and that comes from practice medicine, if you're taking care of yourself, you're eating right, you're sleeping right, you're doing the exercise, we have to talk about that, but if you're taking care of yourself, you'll never be a patient, that's right, because they didn't eat your quick fix it, this is not a quick fix, this is my style, you might have some thinking, come to me, and you have a small problem, and I'd rather be treating small problems, let's do after one time, okay, go back to what you're doing properly, you're not depleted, because you've been eating correctly, right, I think I like what you said earlier, your exosolib accounting, you say, what brought you to where you were, by the time a patient sees you in your clinic, that problem didn't start yesterday, it's from a whole habit, a whole lifestyle, and so now by the time they see you, you name accounting, it could be the one we're talking about anymore, right, oh, poor, poor, poor junk food, poor, poor, empty, empty foods, dry up, dry up, dry up, dry up and more, there's no substantial, there's no fluids, it's, it's out to you, to you, what else, and, what are we not going to do, to soak in adenon carayon, what, let's, let's, let's rake you, let's devise, it's not gonna heal you, yeah, and you might, you might feel good fear right now, then you're gonna go back and do the same thing, yeah, true, true, how about the, the physical aspect, the exercises, because like, the movements, I do like these lymphatic movements in the morning that I saw on IG Sabrikotraiko might as well, stretching lymphatic movements, for me, because jelly and I, we have history, we have history from fitness first, or so, if the body got involved in triathlon pa, I know what it's like to be extreme into the young, okay, and that is even before the more extreme ones, like CrossFit, high rocks, yeah, high rocks, right now, yeah, you're just firing up, and you're leading to burn out, okay, even when I was a doctor in triathlon, we were race organizing with triathlon, the big thing there was like, what's your nutrition, do you have enough calories for swim, bike run, digitize it properly, so that you're not gonna bonk, you're not gonna hit a wall because your electrolytes are down, hydration, nutrition, all the young has to be supported by Ian, okay, so what's recommended, so we have to balance the young with the Ian, how active you are, how much rest, how much recovery, how much nutrition you have, okay, but also as we age, you know, that's when I got into Ian yoga, it's like this is the Ian, so I can do all my young, okay, yeah, that makes sense, okay, I want to do this much ashtanga vinyasa, oh the bar, we got into aerial, aerial silks and yoga, yeah, we're gonna do a lot of yoga first to build up for that, okay, and if I didn't sleep well or I didn't eat, I will not, well, I'm performing, we're gonna be eating, power through burnout, yeah, okay, I think we need to highlight that, because the culture keeps saying power through power through power through, but a woman's body is not like that at all, you know what's also not like that, ourself phones, it's like, oh, I don't charge 30% long, I don't have games, I don't have youtube yeah, like we're more the battery life, we're more the battery life, we're more the battery life, bar and me, I know, we've got fasted cardio and I know wait, lifting, and unfortunately the bar society will say, I got lean sacrifice, yes, yes, I'm needed, oh, and then jelly if we go, can you give me five minutes, can you give me 15 minutes, I'll just eat something now, just grab a bite, now you're such a diva, I know, you get shame bar, yeah, thama, I'm not gonna problem anything kid, this is just an hour conversation, but this conversation cannot be put in an episode, I say when you said the start of this episode was, there's got to be a paradigm shift, and we're trying to do it, but it's gonna take more than one episode, so I'm sure that your Instagram account, that's the indigo healing space, is where people can get it, you know, little at a time, but they can incorporate it in their life, a little at a time, which is probably the best, no, it's not indicaly overwhelmed, yeah, and the thing is, even if we're looking at one aspect like my menstrual health, my menopause, my very menopause symptoms, I mean, it's a list of medicines, you cannot do that without looking at everything else, your, your exercise, your nutrition, what appetizer, emotional stress, oh my god, the fire, the drama, diva, this chill, chill out, okay, you said then done though, right, I think that's why they call it a practice, you have to practice doing this, yeah, in our everyday lives, diva, so exercises, yoga, the more balanced ones, the ones that have a yin option, oh, okay, like jelly, the papaya, oh, this is the tita, tita option, the pragy option, I always, I'd now, I'll take the off the pragy option, if it's, if it's my yin, they're like, yeah, yes, you know, performance, sports, tai chi, diva, they all have a yin option, a pragy option, a tita option, which is like, no, I'm doing this just to move, built a chill, I'm not trying to break any records, I'm not trying to compete, I'm not trying to perform, yes, I just want juices flowing, the lymphatic moving, yeah, so, Marika Marami, Marika Branding, diva, no, diva, the belly dancing, yeah, I like this, our goal is to be juicy, I really like it because it's something that it has to be said, even though maybe in the back of our minds, we know, hey, you got to calm down, you got to take a rest, but when somebody, or when it's repeatedly told to you, maybe that will, you know, it'll ingrate in your, in your head and, in your mind and in your body and your soul, like, let's go calm down, chill out, relax. Oh, why? It's for me. Yes. I ask you, jelly, body jump, daisy bar, every five months level, one up, I need to put your ass, but wait, what would you say in our reproductive age, like, you know, 20s, okay, you're right, but then you have to think, you have to think of the future, the accounting will come for you, okay, yeah, 20, we can get the food in. Correct. Yes. That's correct. We're going to be able to do that. Yeah. You know what? But yeah, well, I don't know. You know what? I don't know. I don't know. We couldn't even delve into the emotions, the stress. So the listeners already know they can go to Indigo healing space to check out what will they find there, like tips on and what they can apply to daily life. Do you have webinars, seminars, classes coming up? Will it be on that page? - Uh-uh, uh-uh. What I've done is, you know, training program Namin Date, which like, can we make it for the patients? The never gonna be patients, the bad, most of our, it's online lab, like this. So we made my short courses for topic, if that's what interests you. But here's the dirty secret. Doesn't matter what the topic is, it's gonna be rooted in all of this balance, yin and yang. - Okay. - Okay. We have in a fuel for your fire. It's gonna be the same things. - Okay. - There's one time like yours. And of course, you should find a content that we're posting there also. - Okay, so they follow Indigo Healing Space, that's also how they can get in touch with you, right? - Yes, yes, uh-uh. - Okay. - Kit, thank you so much for educating us, keeping us informed on how we can remain juicy crones. (laughing) - We appreciate your time. Thank you, Kit. You have any final message for the listeners. - Sabiha Nimanika, this is a practice. This is a long-term life practice. And you know, as much as it may be, there are challenges to do it. Not doing it is, you know, it's harder. Living a life without the agency, the authority over your own body. - Yon, that's it. I agree. - It's more difficult. So take up that, you know, take up the challenge. Now, no, I'm gonna do what's for me. Take care of me. So I can take care of everyone. - There you go. - If just in case you think I am not worthy enough, I'm also gonna take care of everyone else. - That's right, that's right. - Okay, all of us, okay, okay. (laughing) - Thank you for saying it for us, Kit. We appreciate your time. Thank you for coming on the podcast, Kit. And we hope that this is not going to be the first and last. - We'll have another one, game. - Thank you. - Thank you, Kit. - Thank you. - And I guess that's a wrap for this episode of the Eavesdrop Podcast. We hope that you got a lot of things in there that you're going to apply to your life. Starting now, you know, you should have heard that message a long time ago, but you hear it now. Let's start applying it so that we can all become juicy and wet. (laughing) - I know, once you're eyes. - I all run out of water. - Let's go, Joe. (laughing) Let's go. My name is Jelly for Monika, Francesco, for Delamar, for Jude. It's a wrap for the Eavesdrop Podcast. - No, juicy and wet, jealous, juicy, and wet. - I love it, I love it.