292. The Blue Moon Killer 

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good versus evil not always but usually for many these ideologies can be a roadmap a lens through which we see the world and find ways to navigate it but in some cases these heavy beliefs can also lead people astray it can cause us to see things that aren't really there to lean a certain way because life isn't black and white life isn't just good versus evil it is nuanced it is complicated and when you believe that someone else's ideology is inferior to your own is more dangerous than your own that's when things can get twisted especially when you're a police officer meant to solve a complicated triple murder so today i want to take you to this area in florida known as escambia county in the western most part of the florida panhandle it is right next to the gulf of mexico and for many this area is a vacation destination beautiful sand beaches dolphin cruises a vibrant shopping scene museums a minor league baseball team but behind this coastal charm is a darker story this is a county that has been jokingly nicknamed the twilight zone vortex for its famous and very gruesome connection to true crime for example this was where bird and melanie billings the millionaire couple who had 16 children were murdered in their home in 2009 16 children it is also where ted bundy was finally caught and arrested after a multi-state manhunt back in 1978 but in 2015 escambia county experienced a crime unlike anything they had ever dealt with before so that year 2015 the smiths are living a quiet little life in a suburban part of pensacola 77 year old von seal also known to her nieces and nephews as aunt bonnie doesn't really venture out of the house much anymore at 77 her health had been on the decline of her life and she was on the decline for some years now she used to love vacationing with her husband and her two sons getting out going on adventures staying active and her nieces and nephews idolized her saying she was their favorite aunt with her big southern drawl she was always calling everyone sugar or honey or sweetie they said that she had a way of making everyone feel special and loved but ever since the death of her husband some years earlier things just hadn't really been the same now aunt bonnie mostly keeps to herself she likes to spend the days on the couch ordering things off qvc this is kind of what is bringing her joy at this point in her later life that and her sons of course both of them actually still live at home for their own reasons john who is now 47 has an intellectual disability he's worked at the local walmart for the last 20 years everyone there loves him he's always smiling he has a lot of fun and he's always smiling and he's always a childlike sense of wonder to him his co-workers called him the little brother of the group they actually remembered how every christmas john would come to work with these holiday pins that he would give out to his friends he just seemed to make people smile and von sill aka aunt bonnie had actually dedicated her life to caring for john and then her 49 year old son richard was also living with them and he had dedicated his life now to caring for the two of them his mother and his brother richard was an it specialist with the department of homeland security specifically he was in the crypto department and not like cryptocurrency oh he was like a cryptologic technician basically working on all the codes that they teach naval officers so it was clear richard was kind of taking care of the house at this point he kind of stepped into his dad's role he would wake up at 5 a.m every morning get his brother ready and off to work at 7 a.m then he would come home and get himself ready and because of how dedicated richard was to his family he really didn't have much of a personal life he was never married no real romantic interests or big groups of friends what free time he did have he actually dedicated to his love for university of alabama sports his co-workers said his office walls were actually covered with posters and memorabilia and that didn't mean he didn't want a life outside of his family he did once tell a worker that he dreamed of one day having a wife and kids of his own but he always just kind of felt like it was impossible because he was just kind of the caretaker for his brother and now his mother which is what makes the events of that july 2015 just that much more heartbreaking so on tuesday july 28th both richard and john went to work that day as usual no one reported any behavior out of the ordinary from either of them And then. Then at 6.46 p.m. that night, Richard made an outgoing call, though I'm not sure to who. But the following day, neither Richard nor John show up to work. Now, for 49-year-old Richard, this is highly unusual, especially when two more days went by and he still didn't come into the office. So it is now July 31st when one of Richard's bosses really begins to worry. So they actually call the sheriff's department and say, hey, can you just go do like a wellness check on my employee, but also his family? Because I know he lives with his brother and his mother. So the police stop by their house that afternoon. They knock on the door. There is no answer. So they call another family member and that family member gives them permission to enter the home and check on them. So police go inside and they see the home is pretty cluttered. Now. Remember, Von Seal ordered a lot of stuff from QVC. So there are just boxes and items everywhere. But they notice something else. It's a smell. And they also see what looks like a foot sticking out from under a pile of blankets and clothing inside the house. And when they pull back the edges, they see a female hand underneath. And then the body. And then the body of 77-year-old Von Seal Smith. Now, unfortunately, it doesn't end there. Police obviously look around the house for evidence and the sons. They find another body buried in the clutter, 47-year-old John and then eventually 49-year-old Richard, too. Okay. It doesn't take long for the medical examiner to determine that all three had been dead for a few days now. Wow. Likely, they were killed the night they were last seen. So about three days. Three days earlier, he made that outgoing call. That would be Tuesday, July 28th. Something happened that night. Three days go by. The police go. Von Seal and John have been beaten to death with a blunt object. And their throats had each been slashed. But Richard had been shot in the head. His throat was also slashed. What's interesting is there is no sign of forced entry. Von Seal appeared to have been attacked in the chair that she always sat in. The family's living room and detectives thought she might have been asleep or just sitting in the chair and didn't see the attacker coming though she did appear to attempt to fight back she had some defensive wounds on her hands John however had no defensive wounds on him so detectives saw he probably didn't even have the chance to fight off the attacker someone just walked right up to him likely while he was asleep and shot him well this is John so they just beat him. Oh my gosh before he could react so maybe he was killed first it's possible Richard saw coming though which was why he was shot unlike his other family members so as detectives keep digging they find a few other items of interest around the home like a bloody claw hammer and in the trash outside bloody paper towels and some cigarette butts police also find it interesting that whoever had committed the murders then spent the time wrapping and hiding the bodies under blankets in their own home it's not like it's in public it's not usually a sign of like remorse remorse or typically that's what they say back dish is weird as that sounds yeah it's probably somebody I would assume that the family knows that's usually the connection is that maybe they knew their attacker so this person took the time to cover the bodies rather than just fleeing the scene. Now because of that they wonder if the crime was more personal than just a robbery with this state of the house already in complete disarray it was really hard to tell if anything was missing but there are some things police have to consider and a big one is Richard's highly sensitive line of work this was a big reason why Richard's co-workers were so worried about his absence the information they were working with was top secret. Something someone else like a foreign adversary might want access to so when someone like Richard turns up dead without explanation it is a serious matter it can even be considered sometimes a matter of national security which is actually why the Department of Homeland Security sends some of their own agents out to aid in the triple homicide and these agents discover something interesting. Richard's keys seem to be missing from the home they also take a DNA sample from his front pants pocket and later find that this DNA sample they collected didn't belong to anyone in their databases though after looking at the projects Richard was working on it becomes apparent to the DHS that there's nothing so sensitive currently under his purview that would have been worth killing for so. Richard's keys seem to be missing from the home they also take a DNA sample from his front pants pocket and later find that this DNA sample they also take a DNA sample from his front pants pocket. Richard's keys seem to be missing from the home they also take a DNA sample from his front pants pocket and later find that this DNA sample from his front pants pocket. canada in the uk too and guys at the very end when quince asks you where you heard about them please please please just let them know murder with my husband it is the best way to support the show it lets them know that you heard about it here and it would mean a ton again if you've never shopped on quince go take a look and then let them know murder with my husband sent you so now police start speaking with others who knew the family hoping to get more information and one of the first people they reach out to is a man named donald hartung so donald actually last saw the family the night they were believed to have died so tuesday that evening he was over at the house cooking dinner for the family. But it's important to note, he is not just a friendly neighbor. He is actually Von Seal's son from a previous relationship, making him Richard and John's half-brother. Now, Von Seal actually had Donald when she was a teenager. Now, the 59-year-old lived just three miles away from the family and worked as a security guard at a local hospital. And according to Donald, he had a pretty good relationship with his mother and his half brothers. He says he always did. When he was brought in for questioning on the night of July 31st, he told police, yeah, that night I went over to my mother's house. I actually do it every Tuesday to cook for the family. And he said he would often help Von Seal and Richard take care of John when they needed it. But he also told police there were a few enemies the brothers had made over the years. He mentioned that Richard had actually been sleeping with a married woman and that John once had exposed himself to a young person at the Walmart where he worked. Now, whether or not any of this is true, I can't find any confirmation. But the police didn't think Donald was someone to doubt, at least at first. you He had no criminal record. He appeared to be cooperating with the investigation. He offered up a DNA sample and admitted to seeing the family on the night they died. He even said, I'll take a polygraph. Like, I really don't mind. Though, interestingly enough, the officers denied to polygraph him, afraid that he would pass, and then that could later be used to support his claims. Kind of interesting. I mean, there's got to be money involved somewhere. It's just one of those cases where there's no way money's not involved. Okay. Yeah. Now, I want to say the police denying the polygraph maybe makes sense because there was something kind of off about the way Donald was behaving during the interview. When police broke the news to him that his mother and half-brothers had been murdered, he showed little to no emotion about it at all. And he was very nonchalant when he asked, Well, were they robbed? Which is kind of a strange thing to be thinking about when you've just been told that your family has been murdered. But also, maybe you're just trying to piece it all together. And when police speak with other members of Von Seal's family that day, they kind of contradict some of what Donald had said. They mentioned he was kind of the black sheep of the family. He was mean and arrogant. He often picked on his half-brothers and their differences. That he was always reaching out to his mother to help him with his finances. And that she had actually disowned him for a while. Oh, wow. Okay. Because he was involved with something that she did not agree with. And that was Donald was involved with witchcraft. Now, detectives had learned that Von Seal, as a devoutly Christian woman, was extremely upset when she found out that her son Donald was a practicing Wiccan. She called it the devil's work. Donald made little mention of this in his interview with police that day. But the same night the bodies are found and he is called in, he tells the police they are more than welcome to search his home. And so they do. And what they find there proves witchcraft is actually real. It's a really big part of Donald's life and was a pretty big part of his relationship with his mom. He was serious about it. They uncover plenty of relics, books, even an entire worship room, as police called it. This guy is, he's a witch. Well, they find a Ouija board laid out and ready to go. I just want to clarify. Don't use those. That doesn't necessarily mean it's tied to the religion. This is just something they find. Don't do it. Apparently, they also find the clothes that Donald was believed to be wearing the night of the murders. And it's from there that detectives actually start putting together the pieces of the puzzle because they also realize that around this time, it was a rare blue moon. Now, this only happens once every two or three years. And the blue moon is a culturally significant time for Wiccan practitioners. It's considered to be a more heightened energy. So, Wiccans, is that like a male witch? Or is that like, you know? That's just what you would call someone who practices the witchcraft. Not a witch? No. They are referred to as Wiccans. I'm going to call them witches. Okay. You can do what you want. Thank you. I think witches sounds a little cooler. So, basically, this energy from the moon is ideal for manifesting and performing powerful spells. But police think Donald may have. Timed his crimes, if he did this, around the blue moon as some sort of ritual sacrifice. They're attempting to find a motive. And this is what they come up with for Donald. This is going to be wild if this is. Why? So, after police search Donald's house that night, they go back to the station around 1.30 a.m. It's now August 1st. And they ask him some questions specifically about his ties to the Wiccan religion. When asked who else he practiced. Donald says, no one. He's like, I'm not a part of any coven or anything like that. And when they accuse him of, like, hey, well, if you murdered your family and this was part of some ritual, is there, like, a reason you would have covered the bodies or anything? And Donald's like, I have no idea what you're talking about. There's no ritual that would say to do that. Okay. That's a smart answer. He just kind of suggests that the police know nothing about pain. And they're just throwing things at the wall to see if Donald will come clean about the murders. But he doesn't. He maintains his innocence and says he has nothing to do with it. And with no confession, no concrete evidence, Donald is released later that morning. But police are far from done with this theory. Three days later, on August 4th, the county sheriff, David Morgan, holds a press conference about the triple homicide. And he openly says in front of cameras. Police truly believe this was a ritualistic killing tied to the blue moon. Wow. He then says with sheer confidence, quote, It is witchcraft. I'll say that right now. That's pretty gutsy to say. I don't know if that's extremely smart, but I guess we'll see where this goes. It kind of shows that they have their eyes, like, set. So this definitely isn't just, like, some theory they were trying to use to get a confession. They really believe that Donald did this, and this was his motivation for killing his family. The sheriff adds the, quote, And obviously with this statement in 2015, the press goes wild. Publications all over the country start printing headlines. Like, witchcraft suspected in savage murder of family. And Florida triple murder tied to witchcraft. But Donald is not the only practicing Wiccan in Florida. There are a lot of people who see these statements and think, Okay, just because the son believes, like, in this religion does not make them a murderer. One practitioner named Peg Alloy said, quote, I'm fairly certain. There is nothing in any book on Wicca that has ever been published on planet Earth that describes body positions consistent with ritual murder. Black magic. And then Dr. Gwendolyn Reese, who was a specialist in contemporary paganism at American University, found the entire thing absurd. She said that if the police had done even the slightest bit of research, they would see this crime is not connected to. A religion. Instead, this is just an outright prejudice against a subculture the police know nothing about. Others confirmed that ritual murder is not even a part of this religion at all. In fact, it goes against the ethical principles of Wicca. So basically, you have all these people who also practice and are clapping back saying, How dare you blame a religion for such a horrific slaying? It has nothing to do with us. Like, just why are you even bringing this up? What's. Even worse is this obviously completely distracts from the investigation itself. But I also want to clarify, none of this means Donald's innocent either. This just means that maybe they have the wrong motive for the wrong reasons. He is still the last person to have seen the three victims before they died. The family still says that Von Seal and her son had their issues with Donald over the years. And there were witnesses who saw Donald driving away from the house that night. With the headlights of his car off, even though it was dark. So while they might have the motive wrong, it doesn't mean they have the wrong guy. They just needed more concrete evidence to prove this motive and their case. The issue is Donald's DNA is already all over the crime scene. He was having dinner at that house every week. He was going over there often. What's concerning is when his DNA turns up in places it really shouldn't have been. Like the inside of Richard's. Richard's belt buckle. Oh. And on Richard's checkbook. Okay. This was important because detectives had asked Donald if he had ever touched any of Richard's belongings. And he said no. Sure enough, though, Donald's DNA was all over Richard's checkbook. Though his reason for that was, well, I might have just like picked it up and moved it when I was like cleaning the kitchen table or something. You know, fair enough. But there was another detail that didn't look great for Donald. In the trash can. Outside of the house. Like I said, detectives had found a bunch of bloody towels that appeared to be used to clean up the crime scene and then a few cigarette butts. Now, when they ran those for DNA, it was Donald's, which means Donald is likely the one who used those towels, cleaned up the crime scene and then had a cigarette. Yeah. I'm not sure how you explain that one or get out of that one. Right. Yeah. Of course, it takes investigators a little bit of time to get all of this DNA back. And ironically, it is just a few days. before Halloween when Donald is finally arrested for the crime. On October 27th, 2015, police put 58-year-old Donald in handcuffs and charged him with three counts of first-degree murder with a weapon. Unfortunately, it would be another four years until the case went to trial. And I think the big question people who were following this case had was, is the prosecution going to go to trial and use the religion as the motive? Are they going to stick to the story the police were thinking or are they going to go a completely different route? Yeah, I feel like they need to come up with a different route because I feel like if they stick to all of that, it's just not going to go well. People are going to see it as, I don't know, disrespectful or whatever. I don't know, just weird, whatever you want to call it. I just don't think it's going to go anywhere. Again, things are more nuanced than we think. Yeah. I used to think a camera or video doorbell was home security. And then I realized it was a camera. And then I realized it was a doorbell. And then I realized those can only record a break-in. They literally can't stop one. And that is the difference with SimpliSafe. When an intruder steps onto your property, SimpliSafe's AI-powered cameras detect the threat and alert a live US-based agent who can then intervene to stop them before they even get into your door. Because it's not my house or valuables that I'm even worried about. It's a stranger getting anywhere close to the people I love. 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He also said that a lot of other inmates were kind of a bit scared of Donald because he told them he was a practicing witch, but that wasn't the reason why he killed his mother and siblings. The truth was, at least this is what the inmate said he told him, he had been planning these deaths for years. Allegedly, Donald had told Marlon that one of the brothers had molested Donald's son when he was just three years old. And after his mother refused to take his side, Donald had held a real grudge against them. But the tipping point was when Von Seal left Donald out of her will. Her assets that were worth $900,000. I thought you were going to say like $900 million. I was like, oh man, that'd have been cool. But the only way Donald would ever get any of this is if both his mother and the sons slash his half brothers all died. It would then go to him. I just find it so weird because it doesn't seem worth it to me to kill for a couple hundred thousand dollars. You know what I'm saying? I mean, $900,000. I mean, that's if he gets all of it and then taxes and it's just, I just find it so interesting because it's like, oh, say you kill for $200,000. Like, okay, you can go buy an apartment and then it's all gone. I'm saying like, it just seems crazy to me. I definitely think if the stories are true and you add in the trauma, the betrayal trauma, and then the money, I think we've seen worse motives. Like I think that we've seen motives that are a little bit more. I think what I'm trying to say is I ain't killing for less than $100 million. Okay. I'm going big. You're not killing at all. I'm not. I'm just saying like, hypothetically, if there was a really bad person and I was a superhero or something. Anyways, also what I'm trying to say is it all comes down to money. Like I said earlier. Oh, it's always money. Law enforcement or government listening to this. I have no participation in this. No, they didn't understand. Hypotheticals. No, they're not listening. They didn't know what I meant by killing, killing insects in the house. Okay. Right. Right. For $100 million. For $100 million. Then in another surprising twist, Marlon also told investigators that Donald wasn't sure whether to go through with the plan or not. So he had consulted a Ouija board, which gave him the permission he was looking for to execute his plan. Now, here's the thing. Marlon is in prison for 30 years for attempted murder. He's obviously looking to strike a deal to get out early. So telling police this information benefits him. However, he knows things about the case that he really couldn't have guessed. He says that Donald told him he cut off his mother's pinky finger to get her to tell him the code to their safe. Oh, my gosh. That's diabolical coming from a son or a kid. So the inmate says this. And Von Seal was missing her pinky finger when the bodies were found. So like it's like someone had to tell him that. So it kind of is. It is backing the inmate story. Donald also told him he usually brought over his dog when he would go visit. But that night he didn't, which was also true. And the mention of the Ouija board is interesting because, like I said, they did find one in Donald's home. So Marlon's story seems pretty strong for like inmate confessions, which meant now the prosecution had their star witness and the motive really isn't the religion. Shockingly, though, by the time the case actually reached the courtroom, like I said, there is no mention of Wicca or paganism as a contributing factor. So this was solely what the police announced. And then when they get to trial, the state is like, yeah, that has nothing to do with this murder, which that's kind of embarrassing. Yeah. I just don't know why you would confidence. How does anyone ever really know a motive until you get to trial? That's crazy. Out of all things being like, witchcraft. We found a Ouija board. It was definitely. Yeah, it was 100 percent witchcraft. Right. So when Donald's trial finally kicked off in January of 2020, he did not take the stand. And the defense holds pretty firm on the fact that there actually isn't much evidence to implicate Donald in the crime other than his DNA at the home, which he admitted to being there for dinner. They argue none of his blood was found at the house. They never found the gun or a murder weapon. The police hadn't even really looked into other suspects, before arresting him. They mentioned how the police refused to give him a polygraph test because they were afraid he would pass it. And no real eyewitnesses to the crime other than the neighbors who said, yeah, we saw him drive away, which he's already admitted to. His lights were off. That was the only weird thing. But I want to mention that this eyewitness account from the neighbor actually was a major point of contention because remember, the bodies were discovered on Friday, July 31st. Investigators believe the murders were committed three days before the days earlier on July 28th. This is the same day Donald was seen leaving the neighborhood. But the defense hired a medical expert who said this is not accurate, that based on the body heat and level of decomposition that was recorded when the family was found, it was more likely that they were actually killed the following day. So the next day after he had gone to dinner, they say we think it happened on. Well, this expert testifies it happened on Wednesday, July 28th, Wednesday, July 29th. This is long after Donald left. It's also important to note this expert was a big deal. Even the prosecution was worried about him because they said he'd been doing this for a long time. He really did know what he was talking about. The evidence in that regard did point to the murders happening the following day. But this is hard because Richard was found dead in the same clothes he was seen wearing at work on the 28th. So what did he do? Wake up and put the same exact outfit on and then get murdered in it. There is video footage of him wearing those clothes. It's just unless he's being held hostage. But there were other issues with the prosecution side. The state medical examiner who had first looked at the case had since resigned after he was accused of misusing state money, which isn't a good look at trial. The crime scene technician who collected DNA at the scene had also been fired because they were prosecuted for stealing drugs. What is going on? OK, so it's just not looking good. Like a freak. Even if you look at it, it's just not looking good. Even though like it kind of is pointing to him, like I will say circumstantial evidence really is pointing to him. The state's case is just falling apart. But there were some details that felt undeniable. Like I said, Marlin's statements, the inmate's statements really do hold up in court because he knew things he shouldn't have known that was never publicized. The DNA on Richard's checkbook and Donald's used cigarette butts on top of bloody towels. This appears to be enough for the jury. After three weeks of testimony, they returned a verdict. 63-year-old Donald was found guilty of three counts of first-degree murder. He was sentenced to three consecutive life terms in prison, but was spared from the death penalty. And ultimately, it was proved witchcraft never played a role at all, which is why this story shows it is easy to point fingers at something that you don't really understand. To just blame the strange and the unfamiliar. But belief isn't dangerous. People are. And it's not what someone believes that defines them. It's what they do with it and then how other people perceive it. And that is the case of John Richard and Monseal Smith. Interesting because I don't know. I mean, I guess there's enough evidence. But I was like, who else could it have been? And the inmate knowing about the pinky. Who else could it have been? There was nobody else there. He was the last one to see them. Them wearing the same clothes? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, I, I probably, if I was in the jury, I probably would have. The cigarette butts on top of bloody towels. How did those get there? Yeah. No, it didn't just happen. Yep. All right. Wow. That's insane. You're convinced? Yeah, I think so. I think I'm, I think I'm convinced enough. I chose this particular case because it did have the Wiccan element for Halloween, as we know, witches are a huge part. But I also did want to show that, like, just because a religion has a spooky outlook doesn't mean that we should immediately jump to they're the number one murder suspect because of it. Sometimes things are just spooky. All right, you guys, that is our episode. And we will see you next time with another one. I love it. 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